tourneys-discussion

[surreal forge]

wHy PiNG WG!!11!

(fr tho why don't people check inbox instead of asking who pinged them ._.)

[thorn shale]

i agree adobo ❤️

[sullen lava]

my message got deleted, rip

[polar sparrow]

F

[latent olive]

@light aspen If the battles dont start before the timer ends then alas the tour is over. It happens in every single QT tier tour, regardless of how many are in the queue or not.

[light aspen]

Hey and thank you for the reply. Sry,i forgot to mention that it happened in the middle of the day,around 4 pm

[wide coral]

@thorn shale

[leaden belfry]

We get that per day. We didn't have it yet so we couldn't XD

Prove your skill #3 / day 2

RU:
Pyroblast - [4TEAM] FaceLess vs [QNTIC] QUANTIC и далее все матчи по сетке до финала

NA:
Fugit - [JKR] vs [V] and then [PNCR] - through the bracket to the final
Fishy - [PRAMO] vs [GG-] and then [-MM] - through the bracket to the final

EU:
Amaunet - [A1N1-] Arcane Nation vs [JO46] XESATRO - and then through the bracket to the final
Wildoneshelper - [ASTRA] vs [DODGE] and then [REK3M] - through the bracket to the final
3very - [IMM0R] Free V-Bucks vs [SNTY] BZZZZZ - and then through the bracket to the third place match
Fugit - [BPS-] DaBaby less goo vs [SPRTA] SPARTA - and then through the bracket to the final

[quasi oak]

when will the reward streams start
edit - they gave the box keys last year

[grim shadow]

No rewards

[leaden belfry]

ASIA:
(Matches rescheduled for 5 May)

Wildoneshelper - [-ID-] TEAM ID vs [-RN-] Q__BACK - and then through the bracket to the final
Fugit - [-ENT-] MangoPasta vs [E7] pink_nuggins - and then through the bracket to the final

[flat goblet]

WG have been doing a pretty good job of posting streamers in #game-news

[leaden belfry]

Yes =)

[hearty sundial]

whats even going on

[tranquil gazelle]

Only thing wg has done right this season

[thorn shale]

Lets not be this negative.... at least we have more tourneys per year. Also rewards for prof and challengers are very good... only thing missing is seeding...

[analog osprey]

Too many spoiled here...

[sinful crest]

^

[supple hearth]

Yep, rewards are amazing.

[narrow meteor]

@thorn shale exactly, people whine too much

[atomic tartan]

that's very subjective

[thorn shale]

@crisp shore @gusty jacinth

[spark pumice]

i just don’t get why there’s not a stupid amount of credits and free exp given to teams for just participating in any pys tournament. Then leave the gold, tanks, camos, and avatars for the teams that do well. It would eventually solve the lack of teams problem on NA and Asia and with more teams then mitigate the seeding issue

[untold tinsel]

if you participate in a pys u don’t deserved a stupid amount of credits. make day 2 and it’s a free million.

[spark pumice]

the more 40%ers to clap the better

[sinful crest]

tbh the credits are good, and free xp if you get like a top4 finish. obviously if you get a low placement in PYS you won’t get much but you shouldn’t get 1 mil credits for just showing up..

[thick elk]

free xp is pretty nice yea

[latent olive]

increasing the credits wont solve that issue tbf. A newish clan or low WR clan getting teamed against any top 8 clan 1st out is totally demoralising for them. Yes its nice for the top 8 clan, ez farm, but horrid for the low wr/new clan. Its much more enticing for them to do QT's for credits as they get 4 bites at the cherry and can a least make an evening of it, rather than play 1 game, get totally clapped and then not able to do any other tour until the end of the PYS. Hardly enticing really

[sinful crest]

Exactly

Also another thing to note is, the way PYS tourneys are you can only play with clan members compared to QT’s you can play with whoever you desire.

[proud holly]

Alot of prerequisites and effort in order to play like 1 round?
Most casual players won't be interested in that

[winged saffron]

PYS is funding my next line with free XP

[sinful crest]

PYS do be funding the m6 yoh tho, crazy to think that tank will be out this month I wonder how it’ll work in pro season

[drifting jetty]

So you can free xp the yoh and win more tournaments so you can win more xp...

[unique shoal]

@red vapor can I hold your hand????

[supple hearth]

I wish m6 yoh will be banned from pro tournament

[solid pine]

💀

[grim shadow]

There’ll be a 7.10 I think. There’s usually a x.10. So it’ll take a while for the 8.0 update with the Yoh.

[jolly kite]

I wish wg repeat the hatsh on E5 to don't see E5 spamm every battle

[polar sparrow]

any ping today?

[forest matrix]

Don’t get the point of doing this?

[mild mortar]

Yes nice, so that we see 7 Is4 every battle like on old NA meta

[rich jetty]

we can win something ?

[tardy bay]

Stop asking for more rewards. Work hard for what you want.

[light aspen]

Hey WG,why cant we play tournament??? @frosty nexus @muted ore

[pliant peak]

🤦

[haughty dagger]

@frosty nexus @muted ore

[frosty nexus]

@light aspen region, tournament? Please provide more details

[light aspen]

Tier 5-6 Quick tournament,EU

[frosty nexus]

@light aspen your team is in run now, that means that everything is fine. Probably.. do your captain use pause maybe? Another reason that the tournament is looking for a team for the match for you and you have to wait until it will be found

[thorn shale]

It stays like this when you say start a tournament please help

[light aspen]

Ive just updated my steam and so did others in the team,restarted the game several times and disconnected,but still cant do anything.Iam the captain of the team,but i didnt press anything else then Start battles

[frosty nexus]

@light aspen I can try to disband your team manually. Then you have to create it once again. Is it fine?

[light aspen]

Yes please

[frosty nexus]

@light aspen done. Please try to create a team once again

[thorn shale]

ok

[haughty dagger]

we have it. Thank you very much

[frosty nexus]

@haughty dagger you're welcome!

[forest matrix]

Team looks eclatax ngl

[light aspen]

@frosty nexus It happened again 😦

[frosty nexus]

@thorn shale what's wrote there?

@light aspen team name?

[light aspen]

@frosty nexus

[frosty nexus]

@light aspen should I disband it too?

[haughty dagger]

@frosty nexus yeah you can

[frosty nexus]

@haughty dagger done

[thorn shale]

C13

[frosty nexus]

@thorn shale disbanded

[light aspen]

@frosty nexus It happened 3rd time again,can you please disband this team also,we will try tier 8 then,because this doesnt seem to work

[frosty nexus]

@light aspen okay, it's done

we will try to find out why it happens

[supple hearth]

Because u are on PC, oh it’s not PYS, nvm

[light aspen]

Thank you,we switched to tour 8 and it went smooth 🙂

[shrewd lintel]

eu server tournament frozen for the second time

[hasty dagger]

How will WG compensate this bug to players?

[shrewd lintel]

idk last time we didnt get into tour 3 match with them and then didnt get any rewards, thought it was just a one time thing, but guess its not

@lime glen @vague swallow idk whom to ping for this

[sly panther]

I am looking for English speaking team to play tournaments with. Active in discord! I have 50.30% win ratio all necessary tanks for tier 6-8-10 tours (fully equipped). I am active daily for the daily missions!

[grim shadow]

Use #tourneys-team-search

[dim dew]

Anybody else having issues starting the tournament??

[covert rain]

@dim dew yes

[tawny scroll]

Any possibility to cancel the tournament?

[crimson knoll]

Tournament is crashed we cannot go in game in tier 6

[uncut kayak]

wg plz feed the hamsters that makes the power for your servers

[fleet crater]

tournament room isn't possible to join, i dont know what to do

[frank forum]

no

[vital delta]

I pressed start, now we cant proceed to the room

[fickle wraith]

same

[crimson knoll]

Same for us

[dim dew]

same, WG?! I'm happy to take some gold as compensation 😉

[uncut kayak]

same
ps: if you don't treat your hamster properly i can take care of him if you want

[forest vortex]

Same only tier 6 tournament

[vital delta]

Dont give me a red dott for missing a tournament now. i alredy got 2 from you for no reason

[forest vortex]

Wotb gg

[light aspen]

There is some kind of bug with tier 6 tours,our team has missed 6 tournaments because of this bug.We made 3 tier 6 tour teams today,all of them where canceled manually by WG because after creating the team we couldent do nothing.Before it gave you loss on 3/5 even tho you didnt lose any battles,now you cant even start the battles. We switched on tour 8 and then everything worked. ( our team waited 3 hours )

[mellow stratus]

Prove me wrong, but it looks like Prove Your Skill is STILL winrate based. So much for a new tournament match maker

[slender harness]

is it possible for asia to get a different qualifier PYS stage1 to na, eu and ru? I remember 2018 tournaments with round robin system with groups of 4. Then have like top2 from each group qualify to second stage? asia avg is 2 groups of 16 while NA avg is 3 groups. asia can have more competitive activity if teams can reach 2nd stage more often. Asia would love to grow too and our comp scene is pretty much only around 16 teams! Plus additional teams who just play for rewards

in round robin, the effects of winrate are less damaging so why not test it out on our region? (asia already the testing server quite often no?)

[winged saffron]

For the rule that said you have to play 3 PYS to get rewards in top 8/top 16, did it say you had to play 3 with a specific clan or just 3 PYS in general?

[glass thunder]

In same clan

[shrewd lintel]

No response from wg, great

[atomic tartan]

well it is 7 am over there

[narrow meteor]

Especially when you ask the same question again and again

[past marlin]

It doesn't say anything about Playing 3 pys with a specific clan,just gotta play participate in 3 pys regardless of what clan

[crisp shore]

NA would also benefit from having the same different format as Asia due to its server size. Would love to see more teams on the second day because both of these servers have a lot of competitive clans and the second day sadly contained fewer number of clans than the number of competitive clans, particularly Asia server where over 50% of participating clans are highly competitive, unique amongst all other servers

[thorn shale]

If you already have the tank, what's the compensation, gold or credits?

[agile depot]

Credits

[muted ore]

@hasty dagger @dim dew @covert rain @crimson knoll @fleet crater @vital delta @fickle wraith @crimson knoll @dim dew @uncut kayak @forest vortex Hello.
Unfortunately, some players may have encountered problems in the tournament for levels 5-6. We have taken some actions to fix this problem and avoid similar situations in the future.
There will be no compensation in this case.
We apologize for the inconvenience.

[covert rain]

@muted ore np. Look at the rewards in season coins. When u Are on it.

[muted ore]

Rewards in season coins should be displayed correctly.

[covert rain]

@muted ore haha almost

[grim shadow]

did you read #game-status-upd btw?

[forest vortex]

Np

[pastel tartan]

Today's Schedule:
Prove your skill #4 Day 1
ASIA
Fugit - [-RN-]
https://youtu.be/pwQojq0JvzE
EU
3very - [LOCA]
https://youtu.be/svqSk_QGZmM
Fugit - [EG-]
https://youtu.be/VBWjuQMhvCc
RU
G_S_R_1989 - [7STAR]
https://youtu.be/aQICA_SnMJw
NA
Fugit - [RGN]
<No Link yet>

[mild mortar]

Before trying to enter room select a tank within the tier of the tournament which isnt in battle, sometimes the last tank you used in battle/tournament doesnt work so you have to swap to a different tank of the accepted tier.

Idk why it happens but this typically fixes it

[thorn shale]

U sure?

[steel shell]

this is on the forum, no mention about being in the same clan
@winged saffron
@glass thunder

[narrow tiger]

Same question here. @muted ore

[glass thunder]

@thorn shale i think i made mistakes but i saw @frosty nexus said in chat the clan rule is used this season

[muted ore]

Just 3 PYS tournaments. In any clans

[narrow tiger]

Thanks.

[thorn shale]

Thanks Sirius

[rocky nacelle]

please don't do this event about Y5 tanks. There are definitely enough people (including me) who do not like this idea. I have Y5 tanks from the Y5 event honestly recorded and I don't like that I should lose almost the only rare tanks I have in the garage. Let's try to come up with a compromise
I hope we can agree. This message is for people in Wargaming.

@rocky nacelle
please don't do this event about Y5 tanks. There are definitely enough people (including me) who do not like this idea. I have Y5 tanks from the Y5 event honestly recorded and I don't like that I should lose almost the only rare tanks I have in the garage. Let's try to come up with a compromise I hope we can agree. This message is for people in Wargaming.

[outer spindle]

i thought this channel is tour related no

[rocky nacelle]

Its for wargaming

[outer spindle]

sorry

[grim shadow]

Unrelated to the channel

[narrow meteor]

RA1D keeps getting terrible seeding Jesus

[polar sparrow]

any ping today?

[thorn shale]

Yeah but the seeding system is very good and there is no need to change it 🙂

[burnt glacier]

Ahaha
Seeding system that top team deserved

[toxic lintel]

Opa seeding..

[crisp shore]

At this rate RA1D might get yeeted out of top 16 👀

[thorn shale]

Thanks to all the winrate abusers and WG which is not changing the system. I remember they said that they want to change it until spring, now they say they hope for Autumn, I guess in Autumn they say we hope we have it for 2022. 🙂

[burnt glacier]

@thorn shale Schrödinger's change be like

[calm atlas]

Hahaha xD

[half urchin]

its a meme. fck this game srsly

[steel shell]

oh nonono
I mean you can go win back to back challengers cap

[feral oar]

Idk I still remember how RA1D was abusing last spring so can I call this karma?

[thorn shale]

Once won twister cup and if you wouldnt cheat with tickers in 2020 spring you would be in challenger 3 times in a row

[thorn shale]

Thats why they played in Blitz Cup I guess, bcs it would be 3 times in a row, very smart xD

[steel shell]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/OnlyInsecureDuckbillplatypus-size_restricted.gif

[warped patrol]

🍉

[tardy bay]

Lol maybe start playing good

[fossil nymph]

I'm surprised to not see clan [MGLN] in the top 1 on the North America server region. I thought that they were a very strong team and would definitely be in contention for the NA Spring Season Professionals Tournament Championship

[winter swallow]

Yep. They are getting utterly screwed by the seeding system. It just isn't fit for purpose and we've known this for over a year now.

[covert flax]

It kinda makes u think, the tank gods are against them 😂😂😂

[mild mortar]

Im 100% salty, but how can it be that we get harder mm than our group members who have lower winrate than us.

Kind of shocking that WG keeps winrate seeding and doesnt even get it right, seeding was off in our bracket.

Also seeing clans like RA1D (granted they are having a tough season) gettin screwed by seeding is just discouraging, they keep old system and dont even get it to work

[crisp shore]

The strongest-weakest principle is working in its skeletal form (top 10/20/40 clans in the seeding are seeded correctly in a way they don't knock each other out early), but the parameter for seeding is deeply flawed

[sly axle]

Is it though? Remember the first ascent where the top 2 NA clans had to battle it out just to get a ticket to the next day?

[crisp shore]

Yes the seeding is correct because JKR has a much lower average win rate

[sly axle]

If you count strongest vs weakest as the teams who do best and worst at pub stomping, sealclubbing, and/or winrate acct using, then yes it is working just fine.

[crisp shore]

We are counting the average of the 7 best players in the team in terms of their win rate, then yes the seeding is correct. If we are talking the overall picture, then no the seeding system in place is not correct at all

[upbeat iris]

It also leads to the same teams meeting eachotter sadly. There needs to be some influence from results from day 1 but I guess that’s too hard 🤷‍♂️
Skipping round 1 day 2 as a team being 4th on day 1 seems very deserved obv

[crisp shore]

I don't think it's too hard to incorporate results during the seeding. As I have mentioned before, you just need to gradually increase the weighting of the performance-based seeding (i.e. number of cups) and decrease the weighting of the fixed seeding (i.e. win rate seedidng). This can be done by simply doing external calculations.

I think you guys are missing my point. If we are talking about seeding via the current system (i.e. win rate seeding), the strongest-weakest principle is working properly, though not strictly. If we are talking the exact picture, no the seeding is not right, and the teams are not seeded in the way we are supposed to perceive.

[mild mortar]

Somebody deleted my previous message for no reason, so Ill say this again.

If you think seeding is working you are wrong, go check out Group 2 of PYS #4 on EU, there were:

• 2 top 8 teams
• 3 top 16 teams
• 8 top 30 teams

For some reason 2 of the match ups IN THE SECOND ROUND of that group were top16/top8 vs top 16/top8 and the third match up was a top 16/8 vs a team that are borderline top 16 (think they are 17 or 18), setting aside how WGs system could create a death group (literally the highest concentration of talent out of all the groups by a landslide) how does this happen in the second round??? Additionally if you click the match up history and check for yourself you will see that teams outright were not matched up by WR properly so the system didn't even work at its most basic, the strongest weakest principle wasn't in play in that group for whatever reason..

If you are not convinced, just go check out RA1Ds match up history and see how the system did a number on them for the millionth time, its disgusting

[cyan timber]

🍉

[sinful crest]

Ra1d needs to make a new clan and they will get more luck

[upbeat iris]

I’d also love to see groups being cut in 2 and instead, a winner-losers bracket gets introduced. 2 teams go through per 8, but you get another chance after a loss. This would at least fix your seeding problem to some extent. If you lose twice, then it’s no longer the seeding.

[mild mortar]

Also, A1N1- on EU entered two teams into this tourney, thought you were only allowed one.. Is this legal, a glitch or is it that the best clan result is rewarded cups and the other one is ignored?

Worked it out, ty

[steel shell]

no, for PYSs you can have as many teams as you want

[tranquil gazelle]

The team that earns more cups will be counted

[crisp shore]

I never say the seeding system is working. In fact, I always argued that the seeding system we have right now is not ranking the teams in the right order.

The reason why we are seeing LOCA vs. RA1D in the quarterfinals is because LOCA is seeded 13th and RA1D is seeded 29th in the win rate seeding system. The semifinals of the group stage tonight is technically the top 20 according to the win rate seeding system. Technically speaking, the win rate seeding system is acting according to the strongest-weakest principle because no teams within the top 20 according to the seeding system is matched to decide the top 20.

Same goes to RGN vs. JKR, RGN is seeded 2nd and JKR is seeded 23rd on that day in the win rate seeding system. The semifinals of the group stage at that time is technically the top 12 according to the win rate seeding system. They are not in conflict with one another as to that they are both not in the top 12 to be decided a place in the top 12.

The main point I'm trying to make is that the win rate seeding system has basically grasped the concept of strongest-weakest principle correctly and you have to remember robots do not have subjective thoughts.

The reason why we think LOCA vs. RA1D and RGN vs. JKR are a mismatch is because LOCA and RA1D have countlessly proven themselves to be top 8 worthy, with RA1D finishing 3rd in the Blitz Premier Cup and LOCA winning PYS #3 (RGN winning Blitz NA Cup and JKR basically a big chunk of GG- last Winter Season which finished 2nd). I agree LOCA vs. RA1D should not happen in group stage quarterfinals, because this match happened way too earlier in the stage and should not be used to decide top 20.

Once again, I am arguing that the computer and coding is not fallacious. I am not arguing that the way we are using to seed teams is good, and I agree it is flawed.

[mild mortar]

From what I saw, the coding was either off or not complex enough, in other words it only considered the first round match up because I cant see how LOCA who had the highest Winrate out of everybody in the group didn't play DR1NK (who had the lowest win rate out of everyone who made the second round) while instead it was S-4-W who were blessed with the easiest seeding ever while having the second lowest winrate of everyone who made the second stage who got to play DR1NK. If Im right about this then this mistake in WR seeding bumped everybody out of their correct match up in the group and lead to the death group we ended up having because the concentration of talent was off from the get go and then the round seeding did us no favors. If you look at the group properly you'll see that either the coding was off, or it was not complex enough and somehow only considered the first round seeding.

If that is the case then WG could quickly change their code so that teams are reshuffled and re-seeded by win rate at the end of every round so that they are arranged as WG intended with their current code which is clearly not working. Take a good look at the EU Group 2 seeding, unless Im making a huge huge huge blunder (in which case let me know) the WR seeding outright didn't work

Let me know if Im going crazy about seeding, to be honest Im not wearing my glasses but I do think I am right about this lol

LOCA end up playing RA1D (Who have 3rd or 4th highest wr in second round) instead of DRINK (Who have dead last wr in second round and end up playing a team with 5th or 6th highest wr of second round somehow) which screws everyone out of their original matchups

[jolly jay]

Hi,ı am from turkey

[thorn shale]

Hi, i am from spain

[crisp shore]

I did not check whether Wargaming is using a template for their group generator but it seems there is some randomness in grouping teams. Strictly speaking, RA1D, seeded 29th, should be facing the team seeded 12th, which is FV207. LOCA on the other hand, seeded 13th, should be facing VE1L, seeded 28th, tonight. This is according to every team having an equitable chance (i.e. the stronger teams get easier opponents according to the seeding system).

S-4-W is "blessed" so to speak because they are ranked 1st according to the win rate seeding system, which inadvertently gives them opponents lower in the seeding.

Once again, you are not really getting my main point here. I reiterate that the current seeding system does not accurately rank the teams in right order, and that is posing a serious and urgent issue that needs to be fixed hopefully by the next season.

If we neglect the flaws with using the average win rate of the 7 best players in the team for a moment and just look at how the computer uses the criterion they are fed with to rank teams, the calculation is done correctly and the teams are correctly ranked in descending order.

It also considers seeding in other rounds. What you are saying here that "the seeding does not consider other rounds" is that during quarterfinals for example in a 5-group single elimination stage (which decides the top 20 for the next round, i.e. semifinals), contains teams that are seeded within the top 20. It never happened, so the seeding is working properly in this sense.

If you are talking about the next round re-seeded according to the teams left in the tournament, you are speaking about a tournament format similar to the UEFA Champions League knockout stage. In this sense, this is not how Prove Your Skill group stage works. RA1D was never seeded 4th and LOCA was never seeded 3rd according to the win rate seeding system, so I don't know how you get the information that was the case.

[mild mortar]

Buddy, I clearly ranked RA1D LOCA DR1NK and S4W in winrate order out of the teams in the second stage of GROUP 2, I said that very clearly.

And no, S-4-W cant be ranked 1st according to winrate because they were the #5 or 6 team on winrate in our group alone and were definitely even lower than that considering all teams of all groups, so I think its you who is misunderstanding here, either the coding is off (S 4 W rankrd 1) or this system is criminally undercoded (does not consider 2nd round matches i.e #1 of 16 seed in top matchup, #2 of 16 seed in second top matchup so they face eachother second round (seeds teams within group correctly for first matchup but mixes up the positions of matchups in brackets)), or both.

And if somehow none of these are true then the system is being fed the wrong criterions which is also very possible but I bring that down to still being due to poor coding. Got to sleep so no time to keep this back and fourth going, just read what I said and look at group. Even by your explanatuon of whats going on the seeding was off.

[crisp shore]

I don't know how you get to the conclusion of your ranking to be honest. All the information I am taking is from what Wargaming has mentioned several about the seeding method, which is the average of the 7 best players in the team. As a result, I seldom make mistakes in figuring out the second day bracket seeding and that is generated according to the strongest-weakest principle.

I don't know how you get the idea that S-4-W is not the 1st-ranked team in your group, because the 7 best players have the following win rate:
100%, 100%, 100%, 77.31%, 71.62%, 68.72%, 67.19% (66.99%, 60.15%, 57.15% are not included in the calculation)
The mean of these win rate is 83.55%, which is consistent to what is mentioned on the portal, which is the metric used for seeding in all of the PYS tournaments.

On the other hand, LOCA's 7 best players have the following win rate:
78.25%, 76.20%, 75.00%, 73.08%, 72.90%, 71.02%, 70.92% (70.44%, 66.24%, 65.21% are not included in the calculation)
The mean of these win rate is 73.91%, which is significantly lower than S-4-W. This is consistent to what is mentioned on the portal.

The data you are looking at is probably the data from the game, not from the portal. In that case, that is not the metric used by Wargaming for PYS seeding. That metric calculates the win rate of all members in the team, not the 7 best players.

I think it is your understanding that is off I'm afraid, my friend.

[slim blade]

you lot got nothing better to do than roll the same seeding rant over your tongue every day

[mild mortar]

Instead of writing an essay back to me, reseed the teams in that group based off of WR the way it would be done in Amerixan Sports (top vs lowest seed going in towarss rhe middle, its the system WG uses within the groups).

Will take you 15 mins, reseed them that way and you will see the system outright made a mistake. I kid you not before you take 30 mins writing an essay for a reply do that first, I invite all of you to do that and see the royal screw up in WG system.

@Wildoneshelper#5441 Do it right now and show me Im wrong, go for it. And when youve done it send a picture on to this chat so everyone can see WG messed up

Dont keep typing anothrr essay, you could end this by charting out what the seeding should have been. Barring who got seeded in to our group and all that bs, just seed teams within group by WR and show us

[versed field]

Is summer season gonna be tier X?

[mild mortar]

You are still writing an essay. In the time it took me to make a bunch of edits to my last text, wait for the cooldown and write this message you could have reseeded that group 3 times over.

Instead you are typing an essay because you are scared of proving yourself wrong. Just post a screenshot of you seeding the group by winrate so we can get this over with, I dont need your mental gymnastics

As I said, if the system does consider 2nd round wr (which from what weve been told it does) then the game outright made a mistake, and if it doesnt consider seedinf when making second round matchups then WG spent 5 minutes writing a code i could have written in 10

[thorn shale]

S-4-W clowns are still in top 8? Lmao

[mild mortar]

No, bottom top 16 carried by beautiful seeding which they stole from clans like RA1D.

Swear this is where all of RA1Ds good luck is going

Yes he is a genius, and 99% of the time he is right. I have huge respect for his knowledge and opinions but he is wrong right now and he keeps digging himself a hole. I think I made this a bit too personal by clowning but he could end this by seeding the group and hes writing an essay instead.

@Wildoneshelper#5441 I do apologise for being rude in a few messages, we can just leave this here, regardless of what happened we all agree WGs system is busted. Have to sleep, so good night and sorry

[sonic iron]

👀

[crisp shore]

@slim blade I was merely explaining how Wargaming's flawed system works, not ranting about how the seeding is a "good" one.

Let me explain it once again:

According to the data in the game that takes the average of the win rate of all players (probably the total number of wins over the total number of teams of all members instead after recalculation):

1. LOCA (71.29%)
2. REK3M (69.49%)
3. BPS- (68.64%)
4. ZNTH (67.46%)
5. RA1D (66.86%)
6. IMM0R (65.74%)
7. S-4-W (65.36%)
8. A1N1- (64.14%)
9. DR1NK (61.43%)
10. DODGE (60.68%)
11. -IYT (57.48%)
12. OTRIX (53.98%)
13. VMORG (53.91%)
14. CH4RM (53.83%)
15. UA_UA (50.91%)
16. ANKA1 (47.71%)

According to the data on the website (portal) that takes the average of the win rate of 7 best players (reject the win rate of the worst 0 to 3 players):

1. S-4-W (83.55%)
2. REK3M (76.95%)
3. LOCA (73.91%)
4. ZNTH (71.55%)
5. BPS- (70.02%)
6. RA1D (69.43%)
7. IMM0R (68.44%)
8. DR1NK (66.27%)
9. A1N1- (66.14%)
10. DODGE (62.63%)
11. -IYT (60.92%)
12. VMORG (57.10%)
13. CH4RM (56.56%)
14. OTRIX (54.64%)
15. UA_UA (52.52%)
16. ANKA1 (47.71%)

Wargaming takes the data from the website (portal), as I have mentioned a gazillion times on my stream during my pre-match briefing.

You can find the correct ranking using the method of the average of the win rate of 7 best players in this link here:
https://eu.wotblitz.com/en/tournaments/#/tournament/430/teams/confirmed

[slim blade]

cool

[orchid mulch]

So basically, RA1D vs LOCA and ZNTH VS BPS- shouldn’t be happening ?

[crisp shore]

Now fill in the numbers with the teams according to the second ranking I have on my previous message. This fits perfectly well, meaning Wargaming is using the average of the 7 best players in the team to seed the teams in the order of strongest-weakest principle.

The ranking you get from the game does not fit, so check the ranking on the website instead, not the game.

I hope this is clear enough with the bracket diagram and the ranking using the in-game data and the website data. 😉

[shy sun]

@crisp shore S-4-W has had 3 go thru first round out of 4 finals stages so far, I wanna see explanation for that lol

[thorn shale]

@mild mortar You are technically right, except you are using the Malinese seeding brother, where #4/#5 matchup in second round is moved to position of #11/#7 Matchup in second round lol. Malinese bracket is way better but WG use other one, c'est la vie frere mdr.

But if you would know this you are right

[toxic lintel]

it has something to do with average winrate of each group i believe. pretty sure thats where the randomness starts happening. theres some masterful bracket manipulators you should ask

[crisp shore]

That is their problem then, not the computer 😉 Some groups do not have 16 teams, so you remove number 16 and there on, which means S-4-W becomes an automatic quarterfinalist

@toxic lintel Yes, that is why I said the seeding is not "strictly" following the strongest-weakest principle, because otherwise as I said above VE1L would be facing LOCA instead and RA1D would be facing FV201 instead

[mild mortar]

Ptain, t'as raison. I used wrong bracket, didnt know about top 7 seeding regardless so I take L.

Regardless as I said, in the event that I am wrong about that part WG wrote a line I could have made in 10 minutes on a laptop powrred by a potato, let me remake that and we dont have this busted seeding.

Still an L to the oh great Wildones

[cyan timber]

mdr

wildone writing complete bibles because some guy didnt knew it was top 7 all this time

[shy sun]

@crisp shore Yea I get that, the thing I dont get is how lucky u have to be in order to be that team going thru for 3 final stages, but I guess we should start buying 40% accounts, so we use the wr seeding the other way around

[toxic lintel]

get 0% accounts ez clap top wr team @shy sun

[crisp shore]

I once thought you can bump down the seeding but the seeding does not consider them unless you only have 7 players in your team, including that 40% wr player. That means there is a huge incentive to bump up your win rate instead with 100% wr accounts

I would consider A1N1- to be pretty pretty lucky unless they have gone a further step ahead of me and figure out a systematic way to seed the teams into groups (and tailoring their teams to fit a particular ranking in the seeding)

[shy sun]

@crisp shore wait till Ve1l finishes out of top 20 and a1n1 finishes in top 8,I wanna hear WG on that 😂 👍

[mild mortar]

If groups are seeded by average Winrate then teams woth high WR are given the additional advantage of having an easy group as well as matchups as they bring group average up (although not by much) right?

If thats the case then:

High WR = Group pool and matchup advantage
Mid WR (60-65%) = Group Pool and matchup disadvantage, in pool with similar wr teams matchued up against similar wr teams and more 50/50 games

Lower WR = Better group pool, worse matchup ups

Obv theres enough teams that theres an element of randomness as 1 individual team has little effect on pool average so nothing is guaranteed but still works this way or I still misunderstand something about system.?. ^

[crisp shore]

I was told that the groups are formed in a way that they have the least deviation out of all possible combinations. Yes high win rate will give you an advantage of having an easy group and possibly even weaker opponents in win rate to offset the big win rate jump. However, that being said, it is always not the case as you already know win rate does not vary with the ability of the team very well, need not say examples 😉

Low win rate might not always give you another advantage with getting weaker teams of higher win rate. Obviously, there is still some relationship between win rate and ability.

But if what I was told is true, there is probably not a lot of difference in the "win rate" of the team that the 1st-seeded team with extraordinarily high win rate is going to face in the quarterfinals because the team is facing the 8th-seeded team, which is the half-way mark of a group. That means, to offset such a high anomaly on one side, you need to offset a team with a low anomaly on another side while keeping the mean win rate of the group similar to other groups, so the middle of the pack teams must have similar win rate for 15 teams in a group, higher win rate probably for 16 teams in a group (median is at 8.5), and lower win rate probably for 14 teams in a group (median is at 7.5). Therefore, it probably seems for example having 65 teams (5 groups of 13 teams) is much more beneficial than having 64 teams (4 groups of 16 teams) for the 1st-seeded teams.

[sinful crest]

Anyone know who’s streaming NA tonight?

[thick elk]

I think fugit has rgn and that’s it for na tonight

[sinful crest]

Kk thx

[toxic lintel]

no fishy?

[sinful crest]

He’s having a Popeyes dinner

[thick elk]

👀

[narrow meteor]

An understandable excuse

[sinful crest]

Biscuits is the main reason but yeah

[analog osprey]

Why not ZNTH vs BPS?

[urban river]

menfou

[untold tinsel]

@sinful crest does he have a bev? popeyes biscuits dry. u gotta have a bev

[sinful crest]

nah fishy is a true chad, no pain no gain

[potent magnet]

The teams that win the first day bracket should be the ones getting the second day byes tbh

[narrow meteor]

agreed

[civic glacier]

If anyone wants TJ we are kicking him off our team. The bidding will start at $0

[narrow meteor]

2 Shekels

[sinful crest]

@civic glacier I’ll take Mr. Bleu

[thorn shale]

3 quid

[thorn shale]

😢

[spark pumice]

4 gold boosters

[winter swallow]

ah cheers for answering question on BPS server.

also good interview with Fugit.

[thorn shale]

why do you have 264k stars on just the crusader

[night hearth]

War gaming..sort your shit out...All my players are still trapped in last nights tournament team....

[thorn shale]

Thanks rolling <3

[novel shell]

i am using crusader as earner money, star, etc

[thorn shale]

Hi

[supple hearth]

Seal clubber

[novel shell]

i already use crusader 1 year, and crusader is a good tank i ever see in wotb, that tank is already earn like 1000k+, i use it 15x+ per days, so that the reason why my tank have alot of star, this tank who already borning 4 VI and 1 VII tanks

[winter swallow]

meanwhile I have over 1mil on most of my tier X's....

[supple hearth]

Or maybe he just doesn’t have a premium tank,

[winter swallow]

ping?

[royal locust]

R the Popeyes biscuits good 😂

[sinful crest]

They’re bomb af @royal locust

[royal locust]

I don’t have any popeyes around me lol 😂

[flat goblet]

Popeye's Biscuit

[sinful crest]

With sweet tea 🫖

[thick elk]

😋

[glad sphinx]

Chipotle 🍉 😋 😋

[narrow meteor]

😟

[eternal pivot]

._.

[vapid crypt]

nasty

[formal quail]

hello

[glad sphinx]

😀

[thorn shale]

@muted ore hello. Will prof stage/top 8 be like winter season format? Or like the one we had before?

edit: k nvm winter format, sorry for tag sirius

[analog osprey]

Bruh

[radiant kelp]

professional blue camo for summer? And will summer be tier X?

[steel shell]

yeah summer should be a tier X tournament as well and my best guess would be the blue camo is going to be avaible in twister season

[crisp shore]

Light orange for summer? That's the colour for the logo 🤔

[unique shoal]

makes the most sense if pro blue is introduced in summer

dont think theyll give cyber fall again, so putting 1 camo for autumn doesnt make sense. unless theres new rewards

[steel shell]

blue for top4 and cyber fall for top8

[radiant kelp]

Top 12 probably like this season

[limber lintel]

Nono, top 12 go brrr

[unique shoal]

why would they give cyber fall twice tho

[steel shell]

why would they not? its still unique camo

[limber lintel]

They gave other pro camos for years, xd

[green orchid]

more unique than pro blue and pro orange

[sinful crest]

No one cares @green orchid

[green orchid]

about u? yeh everyone knew that @sinful crest

[sinful crest]

about u? Yeh everyone knew that @green orchid

[glass thunder]

No its 2 groups stage Group1 : 1 2 7 8
group2 :4 5 6 7
Both double elimination leading to final stage with 4 teams

http://forum.wotblitz.eu/index.php?/topic/55860-spring-professionals-tournament-2021/page__p__842922#entry842922

[supple hearth]

Hope there will be tournament where we can get true challenger camo on NA

[sinful crest]

@supple hearth no one cares bro

[thorn shale]

🤔

[proud holly]

rost

[graceful jetty]

Group 1: 1 2 7 8
Group 2: 3 4 5 6 ?

[glass thunder]

rank of teams PYS season

[graceful jetty]

I understand that, u just forgot to put 3rd at all and put 7th twice :)

[glass thunder]

ah yes didn't notice that

[pure lava]

Pepega

[thorn shale]

Tournament t10?

[onyx hare]

I think there should be a texting area in the tournament room. Because it is a pain in the butt to go to every person and ask do u got discord

Do u wanna join my team?

[thorn shale]

I agree

[timid hornet]

Кто взвод

[runic acorn]

english only

[vapid crypt]

The chicken sandwich is cracked

[vapid crypt]

Bruhhh rip

[shrewd summit]

@minor sierra #tourneys-team-search

[untold tinsel]

i’m glad this chat went from wr boosting , to fishy not streaming, and then popeyes

[crisp shore]

Next up: Which Wargaming staff secretly holds on to all of our keys 😛

[narrow meteor]

I knew it

[graceful jetty]

Im 80% certain rexy left with the keys

[crisp shore]

*gasps*

[glad sphinx]

He prob left wg and stole all the keys from em, and on the way home got some Popeyes chicken

[spark pumice]

USSR_ELITE was then found in a ditch 3 days later after he discovered WG's plot

[weary linden]

there are problems with tourney, my registered team was 8 members, 5 of us was ready in hall and system kikked us out, so many fled or got into battle alone, then system keep sending message of battle will be ready in minutes after a lot of time and let us play, but sent complaints in automatic to those not ready. people get angry with the captain u know, we had two technical victories, but system didn't told us like regular tournaments. It sucks

[proud holly]

Forensics have discerned two shots to the back of the head and have thus labelled it as "suicide"

[pastel tartan]

Today's Streamers:
Prove your skill #5 Day 1
ASIA
Fugit - [GV]
https://youtu.be/luywTVW3yaw
EU
3very - [BPS-]
https://youtu.be/2aShuzN8R5M
Fugit - [SNTY]
https://youtu.be/gDjEQZrRrjU
NA
Fugit - [PRAMO]
https://youtu.be/be8emT6aoqM
Fishy - [RGN]
<No Link yet>

[sinful crest]

Spring is almost done 😊

[calm atlas]

Streamers can chose teams that he streams or its random?

[leaden belfry]

We can give preferences when we want, though so far this season we've not really done so =)

[pastel tartan]

^exactly

[crisp shore]

If I have more time, would definitely choose teams so I can do more research and more clan-specific streams during PYS

[inner estuary]

+jinxing

[crisp shore]

Oh yes more clans need to feel my jinx power

[silver vapor]

excuse my round robin?

[royal locust]

Spring was a very quick season ngl is summer format gonna be the same ?

[odd wolf]

I hope so

[thorn shale]

^

[royal locust]

I mean it’s good this way like it doesn’t take forever to finish

[limber lintel]

well yes, but actually no

[glad sphinx]

IM ALIVE

[grim shadow]

It is with great sadness I inform you all that USSR_ELITE passed away on May 13

[crisp shore]

While trying whistleblow on Rexy stealing keys 👀

[sinful crest]

I like tournaments.

[thick elk]

T6 r the best

[thorn shale]

Anyone need a mediocre player for tournaments I'm always free

[narrow meteor]

Poggers

[narrow meteor]

BPS vs BPS in the second round

[thorn shale]

someone tunrament t6?

[radiant kelp]

ok

[thorn shale]

Wg with the OP seeding

[glad sphinx]

LMAO

@thorn shale dude go to #tourneys-team-search smh

[mild mortar]

What is this trash, 2 top 8 teams, 5 teams in top 16 (or at least contention)

Another death group, GG WG, op mm

[ornate wren]

Who is in charge on the WG side of tournaments?

Does anyone know who I need to speak to directly?

As in not some pencil pusher - But someone that actually deals with the tournament and the groupings and everything?

if anyone knows please tell me.

Or if you are this person and are reading this or have read this- I suggest you message me

......ASAP

[steel shell]

the head of esport is @frosty nexus i think

[mild mortar]

This is like the third time we are in a death group with you.

I understand that there are less teams than usual today but we have been in groups with the same few teams every time, and for the oast 3 PYS weve had the absolute worst group despite having great wr.

Dont want to eeo crying about the system, but we have to collectively agree to put pressure on WG to change the system by next season and be more transparent on how this works.

[azure void]

@steel shell @ornate wren
It is indeed @frosty nexus

:/

[ornate wren]

Thank you @azure void I have gotten in contact as a result. @frosty nexus I suggest you check your pm and respond ASAP

[sinful crest]

@ornate wren they don’t normally respond to direct messages, and if you’re looking for something to be fixed there’s nothing that’ll fix the seeding system this szn

[ornate wren]

Lol. If you think I’m waiting for them to fix anything you’re much mistaken.

I was just wanting to tell them what’s about to happen and how everything is about to change.

€6000 budget per season is all they spend lol.

That’s less than our clans budget for half a season.

I think it’s time we made a “proper PYS” with logical rules, no bullshit and instant cash prizes that are more than are currently offered.

No stupid seeding, no stupid best of 3.

Basically it’s time to cut the weakest link out of our tournaments as a community. And that is wargaming

😘😗

[proud holly]

Your clans have a budget?

... breh

[thick elk]

They pay people to play on their team

[ornate wren]

Yup! It’s a fully sponsored clan.

[royal cradle]

Would be nice if u and wg could organise some proper stuff together

[sinful crest]

i mean yeah the cash prizes aren’t the best but wotb also is a extremely small game compared to other mobile esports like Brawlstars, Pubg Mobile, or like a fortnite when that was a thing. You also have to consider war gaming has to pay for four servers which would be like 24k per winter,spring,summer and then fall last year was 200k for all servers.

[flat goblet]

Damb lol

[lusty shadow]

very dumb, lets play tournaments for money in wargamings game without wargaming, epic 200iq play

[mint sundial]

Lmao 😆 you actually think wg are gonna negotiate

[burnt glacier]

Imagine WG fixing smth that doesnt connect to things that giving them profit
🤔

[thorn shale]

actually this game is rlly alive and constantly growing. just check the stats of daily/monthly players

[ornate wren]

It’s not the prizes that I have an issue with.
It’s the piss poor way that they run it and everybody can agree that it’s not a fair and logical way to run a tournament at the highest echelons of the game.

Because they refused to listen, we will have to do it the hard way. Which is just take them out of the equation completely

@mint sundial of course not. That’s why I’m not negotiating.

[open zealot]

PUBG mobile?

[leaden belfry]

It's currently a holiday weekend in Belarus, the staff won't be here until Wednesday, and it's like 11pm there. I wouldn't expect a reply tonight in any case

[sinful crest]

@thorn shale no doubt blitz isn’t dying but here’s the thing, blitz is a small small community compared to like a league of legends, fortnite, pubg. Prize pools in those games go up to a million and that’s because of the millions of players who play it in every server.

[burnt glacier]

Oki, dude

[upbeat iris]

Also, where does their income come from in terms of CW? Sponsors? Streams with 50 viewers won’t cut it.

[narrow meteor]

Bruh RU got up to 100k players wtf

[leaden belfry]

I get the upset over the seeding abuse and the matchmaking it results in, but this is nothing new and has been addressed time and again, and it's not going to be changed this season, especially not since this is one of the last two PYS tours for this season

[ornate wren]

Hence it is so easy to take over the tournaments scene off them.

We just run a concurrent one but a community one, but it’s all cash prizes and paid at the end of every tournament:
not the way they do it by paying people months afterwards and making most of the prizes small amounts of credits and gold.

Way more prize money - paid cash and instantly, and we the players can sit down and make the rules that we all find agreeable together.

@leaden belfry hey! ❤️
I really don’t expect a response, it was more a heads up for them 😉

[leaden belfry]

I don't think things will be that easy, tbh, you'd need a lot of people to help you out if you went for a manual tournament rather than the automatic system wg has in place 😅

[leaden belfry]

The other Api site isn't up right now, but the game is definitely still growing. There's always a dip in activity this time a year. Overall, across all servers and over the years, activity is still growing

[sinful crest]

it’ll probably be hard but there’s a lot of people who are tired of the seeding abuse or the top8 teams constantly killing each other in quarter finals and such so it’s doable

[burnt glacier]

@leaden belfry i guess population in world still growing....More then game

[leaden belfry]

There's a big difference between being upset, playing tours and organising them

[ornate wren]

@frosty nexus ahem...

[wicked snow]

There was a weird Bug tonight
I went in tourney game and had no consumables nor provisions.... even tho i had them before entering the game and had creds to rebuy them...

[untold tinsel]

@ornate wren 6k among all servers is 24k. just sayin

[ember marlin]

Hm
Hope wg new seeding fixes a lot of our problems

[latent olive]

There are a few issues with the tour side, not gonna lie. Problem in the main is that WG do not treat tours as a top priority because it only caters for like 1% of the overall player base. Therefore the resources are understandably limited as there is no actual cash to be derived from Tours in the main.
Tours have evolved since the creation and WG just havent caught up, but its a catch 22 really. The sponsorship for tours comes at the PRO side, when WG can sell advertising in the hope they can get a large audience. When you then consider the investment made by WG, which isnt massive I admit, its not that bad in real terms and its not just the cash side. There is also a behind the scenes development side, the tracking of potential rule violations, the support and such. Yes community tours can offer more cash and probably better MM, but it wouldnt be able to offer a robust system to monitor potential violations or support as that requires resources and not all resources are prepared to do things for gratis.
Not only that but there are 4 servers, all with different views on many topics and a community run tour would need to cover all 4 servers which then increases the demands on resources and prizes, especially considering the time zones.
One thing that I think that would be good for the tour scene overall is for the Top 8 clans of each server have a method to feedback to WG and interact with them with suggestions on how to make tours better for all. This discord was meant to do that, but it doesnt it just ends up being a total dig at WG and points can be lost.
As for the new seeding system, yes it will most likely resolve the 100% wr issue, but clans will then discover new methods in order to gain an advantage - thats just pro sports Im afraid.

[tropic lotus]

*GMA flashbacks*

[untold tinsel]

@ornate wren problem with u hosting one is funding all servers with more than what they already have. unless you mean for one server then what your saying is pointless for anyone to agree with you that isn’t playing on the eu server

[cyan timber]

what a traumatic experience

[analog osprey]

@cyan timber new for him u know

[latent olive]

There is nothing wrong or even new about community tours but don’t kid yourselves here. Official tours will always remain with WG, simple. Community tours will never truly compete because they can only offer cash nothing else: no avatar, no camo in fact zero related to the game. Even if all the current top 8 clans suddenly down tools and no longer play you will find there are other clans that will take their place. Lessor skill levels maybe but clans are totally replaceable. Presently there is nothing preventing anyone from doing a community tour and there never will be. Fact is WG could literally put a stop to CW and just offer QT’s and they would most likely gain more interest from the player base. Sometimes reality checks are needed and sometimes we should consider that at least we have a CW scene. Ok it’s not perfect, but then again nothing ever is.

[radiant kelp]

Only 2 people work in the esports department, Sirius and knopka?

[flat goblet]

What department

[sinful crest]

No there’s obviously more people in the esports department, knopka and Sirius are the representatives tho

[glass thunder]

this why rexy left he like to listen to players but wg don't like to listen to him

[forest matrix]

Lol... rexy no offense but during all his time here was simply denying the fact that the seeding was even an issue. Dont make like he was anyhow helpful on this....

[latent olive]

lol I have never heard Rexy being accused of that before: listening to players. Its an odd scene CW. Clearly taking part doesnt involve being drawn to it for the big money, so what is the actual draw? I have seen many community run tours and despite having some money involved they dont always draw the 'big clans'. Yes the WR MM is currently pants, but WG have publicly stated they are working to change it and yes everyone knew that during this PYS the matter would remain unresolved. That being the case, why take part knowing that there was a possibility MM would screw you over?
Here is a thought, if the top 8 clans are so miffed, why not all boycott the last PYS #6? See if it will make any difference at all, because I can tell you it wont. Other clans will still take part, streamers will still stream and still get no more than 100 viewers (if they are lucky) and WG will still get the same amount of revenue. Ask yourself the question, if CW was so important to the overall base why dont the big mainstream YT'ers stream the tours? Simple fact is because the overall base isnt interested really, they want to see drama, reviews on OP tanks or something like that. What we currently have is a game mode, it is nothing more than that, that is aimed at the best players in the game to showcase their skills and beat the other best players in the game. WG dont need to give us 4 seasons to be perfectly honest, they could remove all the seasons and just have a Twister or BlitzCup type event, where the prize pool cash wise is much bigger and they would gain even more interest from the overall base.
Even Pubg, which has been mentioned, does everything it can to expand and increase viewership with its Esports and like I have said on many occasions that is the main issue here: viewership. As a tour streamer who has been doing this for over a year now i can tell you that WG have done all they can to reach out and get the community more interested and they have tbf achieved that really

[thorn shale]

This game is designed towards casual player, not esports seems like.

[latent olive]

thats not to say it will never get there however, surely?

[thorn shale]

I think making new dumb gamemode provides more profit for them than all the efforts they’d have to put into tournaments. Would be cool to have some pubg mobile level esport in tanks, but that ain’t gonna happen. Casual viewer doesn’t understand what’s happening in cw, doesn’t understand the tanks and doesn’t like strategic thinking. Why no 3 183 per team for some action or 7 sheridans? Same reason why football has more viewers than chess.

Not to mention tournaments being tier 10 only, so the audience is already limited to people who actually spend time in this tier.

[latent olive]

Alas that is true, about football v chess. ofc they will throw more at the majority base, kinda makes sense, but in roads are being made into getting the majority more interested in the CW side. I personally this season have seen vastly increased viewership on the streams I have done across the 3 servers, which tells me interest is increasing and it aint because i suddenly got better or more interesting 🤣 I have been hitting 100 plus viewers on most streams, not just EU but also Asia and NA whereas previously it would be around 30 tops.
Its nowhere near what main stream YT'ers get for casual streams, but with the fact that interaction on tour streams between streamer/audience being limited that is always difficult to get around.
However, tours streams are starting to attract and that is a positive thing for CW really

[royal locust]

Intense conversations ic

[latent olive]

it happens when you cant snooze lol

[thorn shale]

These brackets are hilarious

None of the top 4 teams get a bye.

Teams with 100% winrate accounts are just guaranteed to get more trophies simply on the merit of getting an automatic bye

👏

[atomic tartan]

@crisp shore analysis on which ones will survive first round tomorrow

[supple hearth]

😂

[sinful crest]

I like wotb tournaments

[shut nebula]

Anyone know who streamed the rgn games tonight?

[atomic tartan]

no one. they weren't really that interesting

on second thought, it might've been funny to watch Batchats ramming a Maus so theres that

[shut nebula]

Cheers. I thought I saw something about the games being streamed somewhere but I guess I’m trippin. Thanks anyway.

[unique shoal]

I want ipad

[vital obsidian]

Not exactly true about community tours. WG kindly support well organized community tours. The NA big clanwars serie got a special camo and for example the EU Blitz Premier Cup a month ago got gold etc as WG rewards.

[narrow meteor]

poggers

[thorn shale]

🧠

[proud holly]

I request that you unironically jinx which team would get past the first round while at it @crisp shore

[leaden belfry]

the big NA CW series they did multiple times got IS6 fearless as prizes, not just a special camo >.> That was before Blitz switched to Belarus though

[latent olive]

@vital obsidianIm not saying WG wont offer some support in the way of some in game goods to well organised community tour, but to think that community tours would or even could replace the official WG tour is fanciful imho. From what I can tell WG do not discourage or even prevent community tours at all and the very fact they support some of them, as mentioned, is evidence of that. Dont get me wrong, I am not saying that the official tours are ideal and yes the WR seeding/MM at this present moment in time is clearly creating issues. However, even with it fixed there will always be something else used to gain and advantage.
The suggestion was to basically remove WG completely from the tour scene and have the community run it and my point was that such a situation would not really be possible for numerous reasons. You yourself know the time and effort involved in organising a small tour on a single server, not a tour that can include over 100 teams across multiple servers, with multiple time zones and even with that tour the prize pool, whilst big for a community tour, didnt match WG's prize fund and only applied to a single server.
Honestly, sometimes I think we are not realistic in our views and take many things for granted. I am not saying I agree with everything WG do etc but no one is forced to take part in the tours and WG arent obliged to actually do the tours. WG have thrown resources at the tour side, what with keys etc in order to grow the overall interest from the majority of the player base, something they didnt need to do tbf. Yes I get the frustrations of the clans in many instances and yes CW isnt perfect, but instead of throwing mud each and every day reach out across all the servers and attempt to form some sort of tour CC type thing, so those involved in the tours can truly interact and maybe lend some much needed free resources to WG on the tour side. However, it must represent ALL servers

[gilded sentinel]

The current tournament seeding system that WG has in place is really impacting all the clans and the teams hence why you don’t see much teams/clans participating on these kind of tournaments for example look at the bracket of the 2nd day of the NA server PYS #5 the top 4 teams doesn’t get a bye while the other teams getting a bye and that’s already an advantage in cups for them compared to the other teams. In my opinion don’t give a bye to any team it will make it more fair and less to rig

[mild mortar]

Top 16 on NA and EU based on WGs group seeding almost as much as skill this season, change my mind

[thorn shale]

Basically what I just said above, but yes

🤠

[crisp shore]

I will jinx PURPL, APX, PRAMO and RGN through the first round then 😉

Lowkey hoping -SLG will go all the way to the semifinals at least because they deserve top 16

[latent olive]

@gilded sentinel but if you do the maths on the strongest/weakest principle (which only considers the best 7 WR's in the team) the draw is totally correct. The actual strongest/weakest WR are:
STR8 - 76.58
MM - 72.63
OG - 71.65
PNCR - 70.95
APX - 70.88
RGN - 70.75
PRAMO - 67.84
PURPL - 66.98
EQ - 66.54
SLG - 65.40
JKR - 65.24
SVG. - 61.91
Top 4 get the bye, APX will then play SVG, RGN v JKR and so on

[thorn shale]

@muted ore is a player required to be in clan 2 weeks before challengers/pro tour start in place for this season? What if a player was in clan for the entire duration of pys and left for one day. Can he still play?

[tropic lotus]

nothing astray with that list 😃

[muted ore]

There are no such restrictions. He can.

[thorn shale]

@muted ore Thank u

[silver pecan]

@muted ore for top 16 and top 8 how do teams get the tickets to join those tournaments?

[latent olive]

@silver pecan all clan members get a ticket

[cobalt panther]

You need to have played in 3/6 pys to be able to play tho right?

[vital obsidian]

Can play but no rewards

[thorn shale]

If u want rewards u need to play 3 PYS in any team, doesnt matter. But if u just played 1 pys u can still play prof/challenger but byebye avatar, camo, etc

[spiral talon]

what are the penalties for account sharing during PYS tournaments? A couple of my teammates did a little bit of acc sharing during PYS because they were unaware that it wasn't allowed

[latent olive]

@spiral talonban - that simple

[thorn shale]

Lol. Next time I'll use hacks and say I didn't know

[silver pecan]

That's sad

[spiral talon]

permanent ban? that seems very harsh considering rules about acc sharing in relation to tournaments are relatively hidden - its not made clear at all that acc sharing is punished

[leaden belfry]

considering the fact that it's clearly spelled out in Eula

[latent olive]

@spiral talon lol its actually made perfectly clear in the Game Rules and EULA - acc sharing isnt just restricted to tours

[leaden belfry]

not to mention that it's highly unethical to do it during a tournament at that

there's nothing 'harsh' about it

you agreed to Eula when you started playing. It's not WG's fault if you haven't actually read it

[spiral talon]

@latent olive @leaden belfry fair enough. It would have been nice of wargaming to mention it in a more obvious place though.

[thorn shale]

Support normally reduces it to a temporary ban if it was your first offense so chill my guy

[leaden belfry]

it has been mentioned a lot

people have been getting banned for it in tournaments since last summer, and that's been announced here often enough as well, along with on the forum

[leaden belfry]

this too. First time offence, support is generally nice and reduces the ban to 14 or 31 days

[latent olive]

@spiral talon erm, how obvious do you want it? It is literally in the rules that govern the game, it is mentioned here numerous times and details are posted on the official forums for each server. Thats pretty darn obvious if you ask me

[spiral talon]

@latent olive i have played the game for 6+ years and do not check the EULA every time (and i doubt many people at all do) i partake in some new branch of blitz. Wargaming doesnt even reference the EULA at all in the "Spring Season 2021" article in the News section which i'm sure is many people's go to place for info about the tournament. @leaden belfry also, this is my first season seriously competing in tournaments, so unfortunately I didnt know anything about people getting banned previously.

[crisp shore]

Well considering they posted in #tourneys-discussion every time after violations check if not pinged you all, that is pretty obvious already

[crisp shore]

Asia coverage:

Fugit: GV vs. E7, then through the bracket to the finals
https://youtu.be/E34bV0HXsE8
Wildoneshelper: CATS vs. -ECG-, then through the bracket to the finals
https://youtu.be/Aqp0fsFv6qY

[spiral talon]

@crisp shore As I stated already, I have only become involved in tournaments this season, so before now i have had no reason to check #tourneys-discussion and thus obviously havent seen the previous violations...

[glass thunder]

Nothing compare to eu with + 20 teams using 100% accounts

[cyan timber]

we demand to speak to the ceo of blitz esport

[pastel tartan]

Today's Streamer Lineup:
Prove your skill #5 Day 2
ASIA
Fugit - [GV] vs [E7] -> through the brackets to the finals
https://youtu.be/E34bV0HXsE8
Wildoneshelper - [CATS] vs [-ECG-] -> through the brackets to the finals
https://youtu.be/Aqp0fsFv6qY
RU
Glafi - [C4] vs [-X3-], then [GLEKI] vs [UNITY] -> through the brackets to the finals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e046oa7vsl4
M_E_F_O_D_Y - [GGAME] vs [INT1M] -> through the brackets to the finals
<No Link yet>
Pyroblast - [7TEAM] vs [UNITY], then [KEGLY] vs [QT] -> through the brackets to the finals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoqQCVK0o8Y
EU
3very - [APA] vs [SPRTA] -> through the brackets to the match of 3rd place
https://youtu.be/GQAMRAbFefA
Amaunet - [-BPS-] vs [A1N1-] -> through the brackets to the finals
https://youtu.be/1qOVn5Bm248
Fugit - [S-4-W] vs [SNTY] -> through the brackets to the finals
https://youtu.be/deWP2eCJGDM
Wildoneshelper - [REK3M] vs [RA1D] ->through the brackets to the finals
https://youtu.be/DB0KHVe2Hfc
NA
Fishy - [RGN] vs [JKR] -> through the brackets to the finals
https://youtu.be/A8KhUHsSVlg
Fugit - [PRAMO] vs [-SLG] -> through the brackets to the finals
https://youtu.be/ctkgzsghqIA

[flat goblet]

My link there, this is blaspheme

[pastel tartan]

not within our spreadsheet @flat goblet dm to me please
U JUST ADDED IT U LIAR

[flat goblet]

It’s been there 🤨

Thank u :)

[wicked snow]

Oop nvm

[crisp shore]

3very vs Fishy 1v1 when?

[proud holly]

Fishy returning to streaming now? pogggg

[gilded sentinel]

Yes sir, I meant the top 4 from the cups perspective 🙂

[flat goblet]

Sounds like a fat L for me

[pastel tartan]

hehe

[gilded sentinel]

Yeah I know, I was using NA as an example cuz I’m mainly playing on NA 😉 all servers has the same issue

[glass thunder]

Ksmk

[vital obsidian]

Thank you for the links to CIS streams 👍👍

[pastel tartan]

👍

i'll always try to add them if there are any streams,but it seems there arent many this season

[thorn shale]

Vent no troll pls... !!!

[limber lintel]

You think they have that, amogus

[void granite]

lol

[regal kraken]

On May 14th, Friday, 16.00 (GMT+2) the Twitch streamer Anabollix will host a 1v1 tournament if there is many enough that apply to join.
We need at least 8 people to sign up.

Winner gets one months VIP status in the Twitch channel and the "Biggus Diggus" title in the Discord!

Rules:
1. Tanks will be Tier 10 only
2. The battles will be "Best of 3"
3. Sign up in the stream at any point, or write in Anabollix Discord
4. We will battle on the map named Mines
5. If anyone fails to show up for their battle, they are automatically disqualified

Results will be posted in the Discord after the tournament ends.

Fight for the title or come as audience ☺️

[radiant kelp]

1v1 tournament lmao

[iron gyro]

We need to talk with the moderator is an Emergency, thanks

[regal kraken]

You can't share the Biggus Diggus title, obviously. There can only be one, so 1v1 it is ☺️ oh and also, forgot to mention it is on the EU server.

[thorny carbon]

Guys, we’ve experienced issues to log into the game from the room.

[patent quartz]

really nice servers perhaps

[cyan timber]

Is this rule where u need to play atleast 3 qualifiers in a team in effect already?

[thorny carbon]

👀

[feral oar]

No, u just need to play 3 tournaments at all doesn’t matter for what clan.

[cyan timber]

Thanks

[thorn shale]

🏃‍♂️

[thorn shale]

I had same and wot PC keeps crashing

Also 20% at 20-21 hour since 2 days 😒

[analog osprey]

@thorn shale I restarted the game it doesn’t work than I was on discord I thought all players had the same problem. 1 min later I heard “look karo on the top”. I was like “u guys are playing”. Xddd

[thorn shale]

Yea I had to switch my wifi from 5ghz to 2.4ghz to have the game working. Both blitz and pc are crashing today seems like

[cyan timber]

♿

[thorn shale]

😴

[analog osprey]

I had 10-20ping all the time so impossible it was my box

[slim blade]

hi yes i would like to speak to the ceo of gaming

[glad sphinx]

go to Minsk, find a tall and not pretty building, and go speak to em @slim blade 🧠
kekw
popeyes chicken

[tardy bay]

I dont think clans should be part of the game

[proud holly]

Someone's not making friends

[glad sphinx]

Mhm

[sinful crest]

@muted ore how does the map pool for ascents work? Is it randomly generated or what?

[frosty nexus]

@sinful crestrandom maps from the list with changing respawns

[sinful crest]

Thank you

[latent olive]

I am pondering dropping out of the upcoming NA Pro tour as streamer, what are your thoughts as I need feedback before I make a decision.
Not gonna lie its been a tough PYS month for me streaming 3 servers, but if people like me doing NA tour streams then I am prepared to do them, but if people arent overly fussed then maybe another streamer could jump in

[radiant kelp]

don't push yourself

[crisp shore]

It is always very exhausting to stream all 3 servers so I think it is better to reserve energy into commentating rather than overworking, so I fully support your decision if you decide to step down on the NA server 🙂

[latent olive]

@crisp shoreLike I said, if people arent fussed more than happy to step down, but if people like my NA streams then I am more than happy to continue - at the end of the day tours are about clans, community and making it engaging, so if the NA viewers like my style then more than happy to carry on but also happy to hand the reigns to another streamer as I have no ego riding on any stream 🙂
Ideally I just want to do what is best for the Tour Scene

[steel shell]

@latent olive i don't know about viewership, but from my perspective I will rather watch NA streams than the Asia ones since the Asia server is just joke
I get that streaming 3 pyss in one day has to be exhausting so if you feel you need more time, drop maybe the Asia server but if you have messed up your sleeping schedule and you drop NA no1 can blame you

[latent olive]

@steel shell really appreciate your feedback 🙂 in fairness, yes it is exhausting, but the overall intention is to get more people engaged in watching the tours and thus get them higher on WG's priority list 😉 Way I see it is that if the audience would like me to do NA streams then I am more than happy to do that, I can always catch up on snoozing lol. Asia streams for me are relatively simple, because its like mid afternoon for me, EU obviously is my main server so I kinda know the clans. Tbh I am prepared to step back on any stream for the good of the overall CW scene, I really have no ego riding on the streams I just want what is best for the tours, now and in the long run
The reason I have asked for feedback by the way, is not to stroke my ego but because I have received some great feedback this PYS and dont want to let anyone down really

[thorn shale]

Well i agree with rikki. Asia is dead. And i think u will get more ppl to watch NA tbh

[pastel tartan]

would anyone care for NA challengers btw? considering to have that covered so that we give it some attention aswell,that might also give some pressure of you @latent olive

[untold tinsel]

challengers is just a week of quick tournaments

[unique shoal]

I want to see challengers @pastel tartan

On NA it will be interesting for sure

[tropic lotus]

^

[narrow meteor]

@latent olive your streams are really helpful because then we’d just have @flat goblet stream and he sucks

[glad sphinx]

LMAO

[flat goblet]

That’s what I’m saying

[thorn shale]

very rude xipot...

[royal locust]

I like ur NA streams

[sinful crest]

@latent olive we appreciate your streams. Something I disagree with war gaming is how there will be streamers like you who bust their asses off to get coverage on the servers then when it’s the grand final or semi finals they bring in droodles. Don’t get me wrong I like droodles but droodles is just thrown in and doesn’t really know much about comp. I just think it’s unfair and not worth it. I don’t understand how that is the right decision it’s just a slap to the face for the people who streamed the PYS tournaments 4 times a week.

[thorn shale]

Fugit must be on all important games, hes spending so much time on streming 3 servers he really deserves it for sure

[sinful crest]

That’s the thing @thorn shale he most likely won’t be cause wargaming will just throw in droodles. Look at NA blitzcup, droodles streams no ascents or anything and it’s him and fishy, but there was other streamers like wild or papa rage but yet they don’t get it. Winter season same thing as well.

I may be wrong, droodles might of streamed ascents in fall, but in winter he didn’t

[narrow meteor]

Tbf droodles streamed challengers last season

[crisp shore]

Nope, Droodles streamed all of Winter Season Championship if I remember correctly. I started with Winter Season Championship, and then followed Challengers Tournament during the last two days because there is a limit as to how many people can spectate a game.

[radiant kelp]

Straight facts

[limber lintel]

nothing against Droodles personally, but if he is getting put in there, after doing no ascent/PYS streams, while people covering multiple regions get knocked down to challengers, for example Jack aka Wildoneshelper, as he states here above,

I find that a joke, first of all Wildoneshelper has way more actual cw knowledge, this is not an insult to Droodles, but more of a fact, Jack put's in work to generate brackets, cup leaderboards, seeding predictions, overlays,

on top of that the guy has been having/studying for exams the last couple of weeks, still working to do the 2nd days on 2 servers,

To then see someone who streamed 0 ascents come in and stream the grand finals, while he gets knocked down to the challengers is an utter joke

again, this is against WGs decision, not droodles, ❤️

[pastel tartan]

he hasnt even put his name down yet ,so we shall see

[limber lintel]

I wouldn't blame him for that, he is getting so much hate because of WG decisions and teams not being happy with him saying they are making mistakes when they're not

[winter light]

@frosty nexus Can you please manually remove my account from PYS#6 team is called "bankur", i want to participate with another clan but the leader wont unregister and let me out

My IG is Spinxys (EU Server)

[crisp shore]

👀

[analog osprey]

Hahahahah spinxys CHEHHHH

[warped patrol]

XD

[winter light]

@crisp shore hi Daddy
@warped patrol U still ma hom0
@analog osprey tg tg
They asked me to do them a favor 🥺🥺🥺💔

Iam ya personal teamboosth03

[warped patrol]

Door is stuck, u know

[winter light]

Not only the door 😏🧼🧼

[scenic thorn]

@winter light moin :)

[winter light]

@scenic thorn hi

[radiant kelp]

Damn, that's funny

[surreal hinge]

He most likely won't be streaming any time soon since he's had a bad taste with WG in the past few months

[glad sphinx]

LMAO

[analog osprey]

@storm herald hi

[spark pumice]

WG short bans him for passivity

[sinful crest]

Racial slurs aren’t funny.

[gray mason]

Hello, the bad boys team won the tournament in tier 6, we reached the end but they didn't give me my prize, what can I do? This demoralizes me

[wide ledge]

lol

[leaden belfry]

Actually he did stream Challengers a time or two

Because he had out down his name for both Prof and Chal, and thus got two invites

He was raging at wg over it on stream before realising it was his own mistake when he brought it up in the streamer chat 👀

As for Prof - and I'll be covering EU, NA and Asia (though will have to miss the third match on Thursday because of the therapy track I'm on), so there'll be a bit more coverage on NA and Asia at least =) can't expect Fugit to bear it all alone ❤️

[vital obsidian]

You streamers do awesome, huge repsect to your engagement and efforts!

[sinful crest]

^^^

[opaque bone]

+1

[leaden belfry]

❤️😊

[crisp shore]

I too will be following Asia, EU and NA hopefully all matches in Professionals Tournament

[royal cradle]

This chat just shows that WG doesn't care about the community or people's opinion blitz is just a money printer to them

[steel shell]

You can't run a company and focus on feelings and stuff without prioritizing money, thats how it works
I agree wg should care more, but what we can do 😂

[royal locust]

Tru

[burnt glacier]

We can be angry here
Never mind: with having some reason or without it

[winter swallow]

I agree - Fugit and other streamers putting in a lot of work deserve to be recognised and given priority. However - WG will always be audience size focused.

[sinful crest]

yeah that’s the sad thing

[glad sphinx]

money money money

@crisp shore yeah if some clans have the same amount of cups, it will be a tiebreaker using the CP

[crisp shore]

Will the CP be considered to decide which clan gets into the Professionals or Challengers? Both -BB- and DCGTB has the same number of cups after PYS #6 and occupy 16th and 17th spots respectively, but DCGTB has way superior CP

[thorn shale]

Company wants money impossible xd

[leaden belfry]

The word filter hates this message for some reason 😂 all credit for this goes to @pastel tartan I'm just posting it because I'm immune to the filter;
Prove your skill #6 Day 1
ASIA
Fugit - [E7] vs [S-MON] -> through the brackets to the finals
https://youtu.be/N8p8fuko5DI
RU
Glafi - [MERCY]
https://youtu.be/vTcRgrfdII4
EU
3very - [A1N1-]
https://youtu.be/4kITd6GFCcc
Fugit - [REK3M]
https://youtu.be/6fXEx8wyOso
NA
Fugit - [-MM]
https://youtu.be/gWLaFfYTGWE
Fishy - [PNCR]
https://youtu.be/a2bR4n5bxWk

[pastel tartan]

thanks ama

[untold tinsel]

mm getting streamed. this is new

[crisp shore]

I thought 3very streamed -MM before?

[pastel tartan]

i had them in winter, not that new

[glad sphinx]

Where's cursd smh

[ruby stag]

👀

[mild mortar]

2 hours till EU teams are screwed over by group seeding. Countdown starts now

[warped patrol]

ok

[thorn shale]

@thorn shale final PYS predictions? Who’s making top 8, who’s missing out

😄

oh it’s coming dw

[analog osprey]

@warped patrol chouchou

[glad sphinx]

Lmao

[atomic tartan]

Bonus round: will RGN finish 1st despite missing basically an entire PYS

[untold tinsel]

@thorn shale wait till after the ascent to post it lmao. that would be comedy moment

[glad sphinx]

^

[untold tinsel]

bruh half the tournaments are rek and bps. kinda retarded if u ask me

[unique shoal]

its literally bps reti rekem apa

[wicked snow]

BPS apa rekem , there is only snty thats not one of those clans .... Lol@untold tinsel

[thorn shale]

🙏

[latent olive]

lol teams are still being registered

[next trellis]

im confused, why are there so many clones?

[untold tinsel]

@next trellis to ensure for either a top 8 spot or a top 16 spot for the clans doing it. better chances for a clan to make finals and get more cups. basically a slimy way of playing. it’s honestly worse than wr seeding imo

[steel shell]

because we want to avoid playing versus each other like we did

[next trellis]

Interesting

[wicked snow]

Lets see how close the bracket is to that 😂😂😂would be meme

[pastel tartan]

brackets are out

[wicked snow]

Hahahahaha

[narrow meteor]

Android user

[analog osprey]

Wow rg u like tacos screen

[glass thunder]

eu race to top8
apa 4 teams 6 100% wr accounts + some others clans with diff tags
reti with 3 teams xd
rekem with 2 teams and 100% accounts

[pastel tartan]

4 apa teams, 4 bps,3 rekem, 3 reti if you want a summary

[latent olive]

guess certain clans can no longer moan about certain tactics going forward - 2 wrongs dont make a right, just saying....

[vital obsidian]

looks legit

[forest matrix]

EU server will never be disappointing in terms of how to rig all this event all the way. I hope these guys are just using as much their brains for more relevant aspect of their life

[vital obsidian]

Its totally useless to blame wr users, they not any different from clans with multiple clans/teams throwing games to get through, or clans poaching key players from other comp clans to get them weaker. At least we dont have brrr ticket machines this season 😃🤣🤣

[forest matrix]

Wr rigging is now absolutely pathetic and obsolete rigging technology compared to this years innovation : multiple team throwing and u play only the one with the easiest draw. That’s sick. And always same clan showing the way. U know the one 🥱

And tbf WG again not moving against this obvious unsportsmanlike behavior where as there is a point in the rules about it. Just ban from pro and challenger any clan putting teams not showing up. This is absolutely the last nail in the comp coffin

[surreal hinge]

Oof

[spice briar]

Every season becomes more and more pathetic

[latent olive]

wonder if WG would consider employing me and my legal skills to write the tour rules 🤣 could be fun

[surreal hinge]

What if they made it as an audiobook? I wouldn't mind having Fugit reading me some tournament rules like a bedtime story.

[hollow bolt]

All WG have to do is define that "good sportsmanship" (or whatever the actual wording is) includes rigging the seeding. It doesn't even need to be a change in the rules because you could have argued for that now if WG hadn't said that 100% accounts are fine.

"Players must observe the principles of fair play" there we go that's the wording

If it's taking this long for them to work out what weighted means are then it's even more impressive they made a whole mobile game 😂

[latent olive]

@surreal hinge it would certainly help with insomnia, almost as good as either my Masters or Doctorate thesis in law 🤣 but those last 2 are certainly for the sleep deprived!
@hollow bolt problem is 100% wr are fine, but they shouldnt be counted when calculating the team WR - this is what WG are working on

[pastel tartan]

same ^ i wanna have fugit talk me to sleep

[forest matrix]

@hollow bolt seems u missed the last trend of running phantom teams. I don’t even talk anymore about 100% it is now business as usual

[thorn shale]

only APA runs phantom teams i think

[latent olive]

no one knows what APA runs 🤣 not even APA know

[steel shell]

honestly APA ghost teams are saving seeding a lot

[hollow bolt]

"We do not believe using ghost teams to be observing the principles of fair play so this tactic will not be allowed"
I haven't missed this trend, and if WG decided to take a stand they could stop a lot of abuse of the system using the "principles of fair play" rule

[forest matrix]

Ofc having people randomly qualified for semi final cause they have the phantom bracket is helping a lot to have a meaningful tournament lol

[thorn shale]

Lol

[steel shell]

well it could screw even more top8 teams if there werent ghost teams

[upbeat iris]

There aren’t that many teams that have not used any form of WR boosting or haven’t played with just 1 team. Yet teams like that still prove season after season that you don’t need to abuse to make it.

[thorn shale]

When's the turn

[pastel tartan]

EG is the prime example of this

[turbid sinew]

no but we have orka

[sly axle]

The only teams capable of 100% safely getting top 8 without seeding accounts would be the top 4 really...

[pastel tartan]

not really, if you think u are top 8 without them then why arent u, blame the system?then why not just win,its the wrong mindset at use imo

[pastel tartan]

orka is ♥️

[tired prawn]

@untold tinsel yeah literally 2 teams, sussy sus

[solid pine]

That’s what I like to hear

[hollow bolt]

You can be a top 8 team and be unable to beat a top 4 team, and so if you get screwed by the seeding and end up matched against top 4 teams early then you may have to beat them to be in the top 8. You shouldn't have to prove yourself to be better than top 4 teams to get your place in the top 8, but because of the seeding sometimes teams have to. From the very little attention I've payed this season it seems like the top 8s are roughly right but there are going to be some teams that have lost the position they deserve because of the seeding.

[pastel tartan]

well u will have to face them eventually,so u cant use it as an excuse im my book

[untold tinsel]

is your book published

[pastel tartan]

no its still in the making im sorry

[hollow bolt]

If you are aiming for top 8 then you may have to face them eventually but you'll get the reward of being ranked in the top 8 because you deserved it off your performance. If you get screwed by the seeding and face them and perform just the same but at an earlier stage you will not get top 8 despite playing the exact same. If you are aiming to be number one the the seeding is alright, but this isn't just about getting the best team in the server. A better seeding system wouldn't hurt the top teams and would make things a lot lot fairer for everyone else.

[latent olive]

nerf orkaa is what I say

[wet tide]

Exactly

[wicked snow]

Wanted to see how close it gets to that as i see a pattern of BPS teams always facing each other , We actually were in same group one more time Lol...

[ornate wren]

Told you this would happen.....

But no one wanted to do anything about it so that we wouldn’t get a domino effect. It was so predictable 🤷‍♀️

Observe the date:
Winter PYS

[winged charm]

👀

[sullen panther]

It's not surprising that this is happening neither
the rules have been set up in a way and clans are just exploiting whatever advantage they can find

[spark pumice]

And the worst part about it is that its protected by the rules so the past two seasons which have seen relatively much more rule exploitation than in the past serves to make PYS tournaments less of a competition of skill and more a competition on who can get the most advantages before the games have even started. Sure the best of the best teams dont need to worry they can push through and finish in the top 4 regardless but from 6-16 on EU and NA its almost just a fight of who consistently gets a better and easier bracket

[leaden belfry]

@latent olive wanting to be employed by wg to write their tourney rules is commendable. Just know that that would also mean having to defend whatever you'd end up with which probably won't be what you want it to be 👀😂

Back when Blitz was still in Paris' hands, they told me I should apply for a job as community staff - it's honestly how most of wg's (Paris) community staff ended up being staff, they came from players. While the idea of that is wholesome, as it means you have people in place that know the game, the players and what people would want to see and all of that - more often than not it meant that staff that came from players had to defend company choices they didn't support themselves but were forced to because they now worked for the company that made them

I turned it down for that reason

Brian going to Minsk to help make the missile video is a prime example of that too, imo

I'm happy as a CC where I can help where I can and am allowed to, but can still criticise the hell out of the game and the company, as long as I do so in polite words. I feel like I can get a lot more done this way, in the end, than I ever could have on the other side, and I don't have to pretend to agree with or like what I don't agree with or like

Like the seeding system we now still have, and the fact that that's still not a resolved issue >.>

[split seal]

Is it to late to clearly understand ur essay (for me 1:30 night) or u just went to far 😆

Edit; ok now it's all clear as it should be... Why didn't u said it that way at the beginning? U don't need to make that kind of poems, but still it's nice that some people like u don't simplify all things around them

Re to ur re to my edit:
Well, it's good to hear that. Maybe it could look strange, but generally speaking nowadays people, as I said, simplify everything. It all leads to misunderstanding, what we don't want to have

[leaden belfry]

Sorry 😂

Tldr; I wouldn't want to work for wg because I'd have to defend their decisions. As it is, I don't have to, and can criticise them all I want

Re; your edit;
Because I have a tendency to want to explain more properly what I mean and that leads to wall-o-texts

[split seal]

Probably I should go to sleep...
Stupid slowmode doesn't allow to make conversation hah

Edit: one day after reaching some subs on my YT channel, maybe also become mod and get cheats hah, but I'm recording in my native language, not English so it would be harder

[leaden belfry]

Ahaha yeah doesn't help 😅 it's my greatest mod hack 👀
Good night =)

No, not those mods. I mean being a mod on here - I don't have slowmode 😂

I don't use mods in game, or any such. My game is vanilla =)

[supple hearth]

🙏

[tardy bay]

i think its fine

[thorn shale]

wew

[spark pumice]

seed harder

[grim vine]

throw to eq harder

[thorn shale]

someone ban this child^

pps top 16

[wicked breach]

ohsneven us

[latent olive]

@leaden belfry anything is relatively better and easier to defend than the current 'boiler plate' stuff that is used, plus you should see some of the stuff I have to defend in real life 😱 When you become a lawyer you learn to separate your own morals from those you advise and stick to the cold hard words - ofc your own logic is applied to shape those meanings to how you want them 😉

[grim vine]

please keep the #tourneys-discussion channel on topic.

[zealous trellis]

I agree.

[latent olive]

it is about tours, specifically the rules, so no idea what your beef is @grim vine@zealous trellis

[harsh schooner]

anyone got a link for tonights live stream of prove your skill terny?

[thorn shale]

Fugit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWLaFfYTGWE&pbjreload=101
Fishy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2bR4n5bxWk
@harsh schooner

[fast hare]

🥩Bushy zag#8820 has been warned.

[narrow meteor]

rip fish's stream, first he streams us and we fail him and now PNCR. He just shouldnt stream PNCR family clans

[proud holly]

Maybe you got jinxed

[sinful crest]

He should stream Rival.

[proud holly]

Challengers grind here we go

[regal kraken]

Join Anabollix today on Twitch! He is doing 24hour stream to celebrate getting 500 followers, and at 16.00 (GMT+2) does a tournament 1v1 just for fun. Participate in the tournament or just stop by to support and keep him awake. He is a full time WoTB streamer, but will mix a few other games in today as well. 🙂

[slate cloud]

Hello yesterday we attended the prove your skills tournament as a team, we lost in the first round but today we want to participate in fast tournaments but we cannot. Can you help me!!!

[latent olive]

@slate cloud you cant im afraid. Once you sign up for the PYS you are registered until the event (both days) is concluded and thus prevented from taking part in any other event or with any other team. Seems rather daft I know as you are no longer in the tour, but its always been the case

[winter swallow]

To be brutally honest - at least by showing up the issue so strongly it should force WG to take action.

I am already drafting a situation report and analysis for Thaine Lyman to possibly help shuffle things on slightly faster... :/

[glass thunder]

Sadly this wasn’t a big problem to solve as point of view of dev i can say that i would be able to make new rating system way better than this one in 5 days
But i have no idea what the real reason wg aren’t putting work for it
You can even make harder tasks than new seeding in one week
I think wg didn’t even try to fix problem yet and the task is just paused else no way a seeding system would take more than 1 week

[winter swallow]

I’m also going to seriously look into today’s seeding - because if match making is being done arbitrarily in order to disadvantage BPS and this is a “serious” competition for “money”… well, it is statistically very unlikely that BPS consistently meets BPS in the same brackets and halves every single PYS. And I am sure I now have enough data and replicates to come to a p-value which supports my hypothesis that this seeding is not random.

Anyways - I cannot be bothered to take legal action because like, who cares about prize pools smaller than a minimum wage worker’s weekend take home? BUT - what we can do, is release some lovely YouTube content about it.

Of course this is all pending a proper statistical investigation. Will keep you posted.

[forest matrix]

@winter swallow I don’t believe a second there is such an intent - I mean WG just don’t give any attention to tournaments stuff and you believe they would start to invest time manually sorting things to disadvantage a clan (why would they and why BPS?). Plus I dont think stats could really help there ... as it is not a random draw. It is a seeded draw which looks to me like 1/randomness. So actually one should expect to have similar draws over the PYS knowing that seeding remains more or less the same.
eg : we played 3 times against sprta over the 6 PYS ... I mean why not?

[winter swallow]

Agreed it is drawn by WR. Hence why I need to check that first.

[hollow bolt]

Here's your answer to why BPS

(Nothing beats starting conspiracy theories aww yeahhhhh)

[crisp shore]

Final stage is never random, always according to the average of the 7 best players in the team, with the information provided through the portal, which is why I am able to generate the final stage brackets correctly every time (unless I did not copy the ranking right from there).

Group stage however is somewhat random as to the allocation of teams to groups, otherwise the pots are drawn according to the strongest-weakest principle according to the same parameter used above. I have not figured out how grouping is done (except the system finds the lowest average win rate range across groups), but if it is not arbitrary, then feel free to contest the claim.

[winter swallow]

If you're ranking teams by WR correctly into brackets that's good enough for me. That was the next step.

[analog osprey]

Mdr

[latent olive]

looking at the draw I am struggling to see how BPS have been disadvantaged tbf. BPS do have 3 teams and it is logical to expect at least 1 match up in a field of 20 at some point and currently the top seeded BPS teams are due to meet in the semi final, assuming they win ofc meaning that at least 1 BPS should make the actual final with 1 going into 3rd place play-off, hardly a disadvantage really. The draw appears correct on the strongest/weakness principle (ave team wr based on 7 best wr in team). If anything RA1D, VE1L and IW have a better case of disadvantage, tbf looking at their draw, all of whom are outside the top 8 and most likely wont make it

[latent olive]

Also there is no point taking any form of legal action, because currently there is no claim to answer. The teams fielded consistently by BPS during PYS are currently in the Top 8 and likely to remain so. There is no money prize for PYS, only the Pro tour, so even if there was some form of manual manipulation there is in fact no actual damage flowing from the alleged act.

[pastel tartan]

Today's Streams:
Prove your skill #6 Day 2
ASIA
Fugit - [E7] vs [KAM1] -> through the brackets to the finals
https://youtu.be/cyK8I9cceLM
RU
Glafi - [GGAME] vs [GGAME] -> through the brackets to the finals
https://youtu.be/_cP6utYbpzw
M_E_F_O_D_Y - [MERCY] vs [CXNTR] -> through the brackets to the finals
https://youtu.be/Y526CUvITY0
Pyroblast - [GLEKI] vs [QTM] -> through the brackets to the finals
https://youtu.be/nD870lIMerk
EU
3very - [A1N1-] vs [SPRTA] -> through the brackets to the match of 3rd place
https://youtu.be/pl6P3K89qzw
Amaunet - [RA1D] vs [VE1L] -> through the brackets to the finals
https://youtu.be/i9nDR1ZaU6M
Fugit - [BPS-] vs [SNTY] -> through the brackets to the finals
https://youtu.be/P0l6M53JrUg
Wildoneshelper - [R3TI] vs [TRTNK] ->through the brackets to the finals
https://youtu.be/HltO6k0yhO8
NA
Fishy - [GG-] vs [CRUEL] -> through the brackets to the finals
<No Link yet>
Fugit - [APX] vs [JKR] -> through the brackets to the finals
https://youtu.be/KHbvdw6TjDw

[radiant kelp]

@pastel tartan ty

[winter swallow]

The advantage to BPS is in always facing BPS. It's actually another very good reason why having WR seeding is bad because it generates repeat fixtures if team rosters remain the same.

Re: PYS and monetary prizes - it is the qualification stage and so is an interlinked competition. Therefore, the cash prize of the Professionals is also under contest here.

Agreed that RA1D etc. have been affected worst of all. But kudos to them for not trying to boost their WRs.

[latent olive]

@winter swallow alas there are sorts of shenanigans at play and no doubt always will be, close one loop and another will rise from the ashes.

Yes PYS and Pro are linked, but the proof required to prove that team X would have got through to the Pro tour would be far too complex. You would initially need to prove that team x were given no opportunity to actually win based on skill. That would need to be shown from PYS #1 right through to PYS#6 - quite a mountain to climb legally especially when the only real legal aspect is 'loss of opportunity' and its that side that is so difficult to prove

[vital obsidian]

There is not much difference in terms of rigging on playing with 100 wr accos, fielding multiple clans/teams, or paying off players or selling avatar spots

And as far as I remember some clans ”always” met Loca last season 🤣🤣

[calm atlas]

🍉

[pure mortar]

I have a very complicated method not to fall against your own, team, it consists in not doing 4!

[jagged oar]

How is that an advantage? But yeah, you mentioned our problem of always facing each other in early stages, until we decided to exchange two high wr accounts for lower wr ones.
Sadly this has become a big part of the tournament to not only know the game, but also the system and find ways to turn things to your favor without which some teams barely have a chance to stay in top 8, no matter they would deserve it skill-wise.

And @latent olive: yes, you could say there are 4 bps teams, but the two bps clans should be seen independently. The games between our bps main teams were some of the closest of this tournament and the other bps almost kicked us out of top8.
Fielding some more teams for yesterday’s PYS was a result of the WR seeding making worse Teams have a really bad time so that on last PYS there are almost only top teams on the field.

[winter swallow]

Two teams for two separate clans. Also BPS- 2nd team has me in it and we were having an absolute laugh last night lol 😂

[steel shell]

i dont see a problem with creating 2 teams per clan 🤔

[vital obsidian]

From what I seen sprta maus game has been closest of them all 👌 bps vs bps was far from that

KB I dont say its a problem, I say its get same kind of advantage as ising wr 100

[pure mortar]

if it's for the "lol" why bother with the mm ?

[winter swallow]

I'm referring to our first teams and general fairness.

[steel shell]

drunk-ish Brian is good one 😆

[latent olive]

@jagged oar in fairness there is always a reduced field, team wise, in the final PYS's because clans not trying to get top 16 or top 8 generally dont bother because they have nothing to gain really. I agree the BPS clans should be treated 'differently' but with that comes the fact that if different then chances are meeting remain no different to meeting any other independent team.

[hallow sundial]

😂😂

[winter swallow]

I may or may not have been doodling weenies on the team tactic link. No one can prove anything and everything is conjecture. Also who uses wottactic instead of stratsketch?

[steel shell]

everyone i guess 😄 stratsketch is weird

[lunar stirrup]

🦊

[vital obsidian]

No one can even pronounce stratsketch 🤣🤣

[crisp shore]

tbh i get frowned upon when i tell other callers that i use stratsketch to brief my team

[jagged oar]

Yes, ofc, chances should be the same. But the problem is with mostly average teams having the highest WR atm, the top teams all collide early on, as they are in the upper middle of the WR seeding and get matched against each other. Therefore the whole purpose of the seeding is out of effect and everyone not trying to artificially adjust the seeding is at a disadvantage.

[vital obsidian]

Summer season should be cancelled or tranferred to tier 8 since WG wont change anything before Twister

[flat goblet]

tier 8 😬

[steel shell]

tier8 is possible only if there is rule that bans premium tanks, last year it was cancer and wg added another op t8 premium during the tournament

[analog osprey]

Bzzz bzzz

[calm atlas]

DaSilva🍉

[vital obsidian]

Who cares much about tier 8 - and whatever seeding systems or tanks allowed are therefore irrelevant

[analog osprey]

Winch

[untold tinsel]

@crisp shore stratsketch gang

[crisp shore]

There are so many useful functions that stratsketch has and wottactic not!

[flat goblet]

imagine not using mspaint for strats

[calm atlas]

And last time our tactics on wottactic got deleted, i think there was problem with server

[latent olive]

make it tier 6 even more fun 🤣

[crisp shore]

To be honest, stratsketch always deletes my sketch on Hellas for some reason 👀

[silver vapor]

hmmmm
Australian players is currently experience high loss (10%-20%) in-game
unplayable in tours

[turbid sinew]

Cool story bro @calm atlas

[calm atlas]

Thanks @turbid sinew 🐒

[glass thunder]

Wottactics better in everything but must save tactics out the app because its not stable

[junior heron]

Looks to join a team for the tier 8 seasons coins tournament

[upbeat iris]

#tourneys-team-search

[flat goblet]

Lol

[winter swallow]

he is speaking the language of the Gods....

[thorn shale]

Its funny coming from you

[vital obsidian]

touche'

[narrow meteor]

Miguel a menace

[untold tinsel]

@flat goblet join mm

[slate cloud]

when is finished prove yours skill tournament in the EU?

[steel shell]

@slate cloud in around 3 hours

[winter swallow]

Maybe. Also maybe I am 3 G&T's in and cooking a BBQ - #priorities

[slate cloud]

snty vs bps link?

[sinful crest]

https://youtu.be/P0l6M53JrUg
@slate cloud

[steel shell]

that literally has never happened before

[narrow meteor]

Lets all pray both APA teams lose today 🙏🏻

[warped patrol]

lmao

[pastel tartan]

snty triple bps face off

[radiant kelp]

????

[crisp shore]

Also mine as well if you want to follow back SNTY vs. BPS- 😉 https://youtu.be/HltO6k0yhO8

[warped patrol]

🥖

[pliant peak]

👀

[sonic iron]

👀

[narrow meteor]

Take away Spain’s internet

[thorn shale]

yo chipot that aint cool

[royal locust]

#InternetForSpain

[winged saffron]

Snty going for the family wipe

[patent quartz]

rather unfortunate we couldn't make it 3

[narrow meteor]

the power of miguel stopped u

[patent quartz]

the only thing that stopped is me seeing everything he sends to satisfy his ego... nothing else mate

[analog osprey]

@sinful crest hi bro

[sinful crest]

Hi

[unique shoal]

nword

[spark pumice]

hello sir i do believe that is not on the appropriate topic for the #tourneys-discussion channel of the WoT Blitz Official (ENG) server.

[civic glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/nyle-leila-monkey-food-gif-19007223

[proud holly]

I request that you eat a salad

[spark pumice]

chunkey monke

[opaque bone]

Ah so this is the secret to be a pro player
writes down notes

[shy verge]

So many new clans...
So little peeps who can...s

[ruby stag]

👀👀

[royal locust]

;-;

[atomic tartan]

If you ever heard our voice comms you’d be convinced theres 7 of those actually driving the tanks

[proud holly]

oo oo aa aa

[opaque bone]

xD

[next trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-animals-walking-gorilla-ape-gif-11409190

[warm snow]

who will be playing upper and lower brackets in each group for the tournies?
ik seeding is 1st v 8, 2nd v 7th, etc, but upper and lower brackets?

[tropic lotus]

everyone starts at the top, double elim, if you lose you fall to the bottom and whoever you play is determined by who also loses in the upper bracket

[spark pumice]

bring back round robins

[steel shell]

Too long for those small tourneys, but mby for twister/blitz cup would be great

[thorn shale]

Hey, when can we expect banned players list?
@muted ore

[civic glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/obese-monkey-fat-monkey-summer-belly-eating-lettuce-summer-look-gif-13014350

[vapid crypt]

Danm someone likes eating

[kindred depot]

1 battle 100% rerolls on tourney teams to get better seeds o7, wg pls fix

[glad sphinx]

prob after pros

[thorn shale]

I like both your name and clan tag

[storm herald]

https://c.tenor.com/pX50Tz0qYIYAAAAM/monkey-orangutan.gif

[royal locust]

Monke gif best gif

[spark pumice]

blitz comp Community in 3 gifs

[sinful crest]

Please keep this chat tournament related.

[thorn shale]

@sinful crest I'll do the moderating thanks

Everyone chill with the GIF spam. A relevant GIF is fine, a wall of unrelated GIF's is not

[sinful crest]

@thorn shale you’re welcome

[slim blade]

lmao

[teal quiver]

TJ with that op poke

[royal locust]

Oh no monke gifs

[untold tinsel]

define a relevant gif

[narrow meteor]

Monke gifs are relevant you monkey

[winter swallow]

Me following tournament drama

[radiant kelp]

steak

[spark pumice]

monke --> cat

[untold tinsel]

is there even any tournament drama lmao

[royal locust]

Me want steak and monke gifs

[slim socket]

I just want my keys

[royal locust]

;-;

[odd wolf]

🥩

[next trellis]

🥞

[glad sphinx]

🥞

[surreal latch]

Steal Hunter hi

[thorn shale]

@muted ore pro tour

[glass thunder]

Apa using more than one team in prof to secure top 8 finish 😂

[steel shell]

To secure top7*
8th is occupied by retl

[toxic lintel]

Lol

[glass thunder]

The question is if they keep this team will others be able to register when tournament have 8 teams
For normal tournaments you can’t register if limited places are taken

[steel shell]

Wg will just remove the team but i am surprised there is no condition that only top8 clans by cups can create the team

[sullen panther]

Don't teams need the tickets to register for that tournament in the first place?

[thorn shale]

All players from clan gets ticket. They got ticket in APA and just register in noname clan

[south fern]

Does anyone happen to know the map selection for Season Coins or is it the same as a QT

[sullen panther]

Ah yep. Didn't see that happen before though
I also don't think that was what Didi was asking about tho

@crisp shore nice, thanks for the info

[crisp shore]

I think Wargaming will take action tomorrow. It happened on the CIS server last season and the impostor clan was removed swiftly.

If not, I will pester Wargaming about that.

[analog osprey]

😂😂😂

[analog osprey]

Normally if u leave the clan the ticket removes

[limber lintel]

Whole clan gets a ticket, if you leave the clan and make a team you have the tickets, but its not allowed, and wg will take the team down, idk if theres any consequences cus this is a breach of tournament rules

[civic glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-popsicle-gif-10816189

[proud holly]

leedle leedle lee

[proud holly]

Are the spawns still randomized in Normandy?

[analog osprey]

Yes

[vivid citrus]

🇵🇱

[toxic lintel]

🇵🇱

[dreamy ridge]

🤠

[gaunt matrix]

Hey

[thorn shale]

@spark pumice knows a lot about that u should ask him if u got any questions

[civic glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/hungry-monkey-eat-pizza-delicious-gif-16536007

[fast hare]

supergamer#5268 has been warned.

[hexed helm]

ok

[acoustic iris]

uh

[cobalt panther]

What will be the compensation for the 1-3rd place challengers reward tanks, if you've already got them?

[steel shell]

credits xD

[cobalt panther]

Bruh I just got the STG from surpise containers 😭

[acoustic iris]

play in stg if u get bored sell it and get credits and buy another tonk

[sonic iron]

👀

[tropic lotus]

yennefer

[buoyant shale]

@cobalt pantheris stg so bad?

[cobalt panther]

Well yes

[proud holly]

Some people dislike the stg.
Others like it.

[fast hare]

TANKSMASHER_2021#1394 has been warned.

[shrewd summit]

@worn bear #tourneys-team-search

[supple hearth]

I like tournaments

[next trellis]

If you didn't know, World of Tanks Blitz is a legendary tank shooter. Fight in 7vs7 team battles alone or with friends, research and upgrade armored vehicles. It is a fun game with funny gameplay. There are a lot of funny moments that make you laugh because they are funny compilations and cool moments with lots of intense action and gameplay with amusing and troll content. It is pretty funny if you ask me, even funnier are the funny moments and blitz moments like for short it is called wotb lol haha. Good game to play with friends haha very epic.

[radiant kelp]

ok

[grave willow]

thank you @next trellis !

[next trellis]

No problem!

[sinful crest]

@next trellis thank you for keeping this channel tournament related!!

[next trellis]

No problem 🙏 , always here to help 💪 🔥

[glad sphinx]

@next trellis thank you rad, ur my fav 🥞🥞🥞

[mellow aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/monkiflip-monki-flip-monkey-monkeyflip-gif-18149687

[next trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/mounke-gif-21420999

[proud holly]

Where did you guys find the map info for Proffesionals/Challengers?

[ancient shard]

on the forum

[sinful crest]

@proud holly look up wotblitz forum, then you find the tournament section, after that you go into challengers/pros and it should all be listed there

http://forum.wotblitz.com/index.php?/topic/112297-spring-challengers-tournament-2021/

http://forum.wotblitz.com/index.php?/topic/112298-spring-professionals-tournament-2021/

[proud holly]

Huh, Idk if it's just me but somehow the 3rd and 4th place rewards for the group stages somehow seem to hold more "value" than the 1st and second place rewards... there's more right?

Ohhh i see, ty

[slim socket]

Because 1st and 2nd move on to the final stage and get more rewards

[untold tinsel]

@crisp shore cool card, REVOKED

[bold sierra]

Thank you radium 🙏

[acoustic iris]

):>

[crisp shore]

@crisp shore cool card, REVOKED
@untold tinsel Oh dear just saw what happened to the comments section after I woke up👀 I apologise for some wrong information and biased opinions I have put out but personally I have nothing against -MM. However, since it is an open forum, people have their own opinions and I would always love to see more people joining the chat and have a talk. This is what an open forum is about😉

[steel shell]

#tourneys-discussion man is it that hard to read?

[outer spindle]

wotb blitz

[untold tinsel]

@crisp shore lmao idc. it was a joke lol. no hard feeling

[crisp shore]

Hopefully will get to stream you guys and all the best to your clan in Professionals Tournament 😉

[untold tinsel]

maybe

[shadow topaz]

Jo

[steel shell]

Xdd i thought posting non relevant blitz stuff in here was meme but this is another level homie😂😂😂

[next trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/valgo-gif-21476681

[marble frost]

DM me to join spring challangers tournament , closing in 1h

[radiant kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/audrey-audie-this-is-audrey-kooky-lolzers-gif-19331523

[marble frost]

what the heck is this chat

[fast hare]

зелений#8188 was banned

[narrow meteor]

Migol

[radiant kelp]

juan

[latent olive]

damn did I miss out on a challengers place 🤔
oh wait, no coz I have a ticket, I just dont play

[leaden belfry]

Your stream selection for tomorrow:
Asia Professionals:
Fugit555
Round 1: [FEAST] FEAST vs [CATS] PGMT Main team

• LB Round 1 (group )
  https://youtu.be/eqi50NBtkIQ

Wildoneshelper
Round 1: [-ENT-] Entity vs [E7] Uprising

• LB Round 1 (group )
  https://youtu.be/VCwsgHlFFuU

xiyangkun_bilibili
Round 1: [HLV] HLV vs [-ID-] TEAM ID

• LB Round 1 (group )
  No link available (yet)

Bilibili62366__BingLing
Round 1: [GV] Great Viet vs [-RN-] Rote Nova

• LB Round 1 (group )
  No link available (yet)

Asia Challengers:
Amaunet85
Round 1: [-ECG-] TEAM ECS vs [DCGTB] Twilight

• LB Round 1 (group )
  https://youtu.be/TSb6ZyYq5C0

EU Proffessionals:
Wildoneshelper
Round 1: [LOCA] Fantastic vs [-BPS-] MEGAPUTES
+LB Round 1 (group 2) together with Amaunet85
https://youtu.be/sWytI_XDwY0

Amaunet85
Round 1: [BPS-] Gravitas vs [A1N1-] FREE PALESTINE
+LB Round 1 (group 2) together with Wildoneshelper
https://youtu.be/2K8mHEihg0Y

FUGIT555
Round 1: [SNTY] BZZ SERENITY FC vs [R3TI] Reach the limit
+LB Round 1 (group 1)
https://youtu.be/y5l4szHF2WY

3very_Good_Name_Is_Taken
Round 1: [EG-] Hey lol vs [APA] MonkeyGaming
+LB Round 1 (group 1)
https://youtu.be/JB0jeQtUy38

NA Professionals:
Amaunet85
Round 1: [RGN] Reign vs [PURPL] GNN

• LB Round 1 (group 1)
  https://youtu.be/R5dkgmPEioU

Fishy___
Round 1: [PRAMO] Battle Buddies vs [-MM] Moon Milkers

• LB Round 1 (group 1)
  No link available (yet)

Fugit555
Round 1: [APX] Apex vs [PNCR] Alliance

• LB Round 1 (group 2)
  https://youtu.be/lLC6R9BO90w

Paparage:
Round 1: [JKR] Jokers vs [GG-] Men Pooooooosh

• LB Round 1 (group 2)
  No link available (yet)

NA Challengers:
3very_Good_Name_Is_Taken
Round 1: [_STR8] Aim True vs [-SVG] Atrox

• LB Round 1 (group 1) together with Wildoneshelper
  https://youtu.be/_af_GmsCuuI

Wildoneshelper
Round 1: [0G] Cosmonauts vs [RIVAL] Hot N Ready

• LB Round 1 (group 1) together with 3very
  https://youtu.be/Wq-fYxZJU5w

34
Round 1: [EC-] Eclipse vs[-PPS-] Not PP

• LB Round 1 (group 2)
  No link available (yet) - Twitch

RU Professionals:
Pyroblast
Round 1: [MERCY] Crocodiles vs [UNITY] PinkTeam

• LB Round 1
  No link available (yet)

Mefody
Round 1: [7STAR] vs [OLRCY]

• LB Round 1
  No link available (yet)

GSR1989
Round 1: [GGAME] vs [D030P]

• LB Round 1
  No link available (yet)

[thorn shale]

@pastel tartan dang you’re streaming NA challengers?

Fair play

[pastel tartan]

yea i thought why not, im out of time for ASIA and since i didnt do PYS NA and we got enough for Pro i thought challengers might be a good call

[crisp shore]

Will update my stream titles and descriptions soon so what was posted is right 😉

[open zealot]

When NA has the most streamers, pog

[next trellis]

poggers indeed!

[thorn shale]

Just need someone to quick revive Bushka now

[odd wolf]

Hi yaro

[supple hearth]

Yes, we need Bushka, @odd wolf bruh

[narrow meteor]

Should move 3very up and have PapaRage stream one of the Spanish teams

[pastel tartan]

well he does Pro i do challengers

[thorn shale]

theres spanish teams ? pog

[winged saffron]

If didn’t even know there was a Spanish team in top 16 lol

[sinful crest]

@astral dove want to play duos on PUBG bro?

[analog osprey]

Where is tesrh

[tardy bay]

@quaint gorge hey

[thorn shale]

😴 😴

what are the groups of the teams is it like 16,15,10,9 and then 11,12,13,14 or mixed?

[supple hearth]

...

[vital obsidian]

Sad if no coverage of EU challenger

[thorn shale]

@gusty jacinth ty

[charred axle]

Hey guys how can I register for tournaments?

[limber lintel]

itiswatitis

[narrow meteor]

Yes Spanish speaking teams dum dum

[thorn shale]

🤠

[glad sphinx]

actually surprised how RU got less streamers than us lol

[limber lintel]

I hope to see co-commentaries again, they were lovely, I really enjoyed those

[potent magnet]

Men pooosh

[covert flax]

Sick we get EC first round. Very very noice 🙂

[glad sphinx]

waos

[covert flax]

Cursd should get Void? I think?

[ancient shard]

yes

[glad sphinx]

yeah, str8 v svg, cursd void, EC PPS, and 0G Rival

[covert flax]

ic ic

[analog osprey]

@potent magnet pooosh 50b men

[potent magnet]

Oui men, pooosh 50b

[pastel tartan]

u will i can tell u that much

[pastel tartan]

gonna send a bit updated streamer schedule in a bit with some missing links and a bit shorter,and also as a reminder for those who missed amaunets earlier

Spring Professionals Day 1
ASIA
Bilibili62366__BingLing - [GV] vs [-RN-] in Chinese
<No Link>
Fugit - [FEAST] vs [CATS]
https://youtu.be/eqi50NBtkIQ
Wildoneshelper - [-ENT-] vs [E7]
https://youtu.be/VCwsgHlFFuU
xiyangkun_bilibili - [HLV] vs [-ID-] in Chinese
<No Link>
RU
Glafi - [GGAME] vs [D030P] in Russian
https://youtu.be/Z1V312GENog
M_E_F_O_D_Y - [7STAR] vs [OLRCY] in Russian
https://youtu.be/CftjTpifKMk
Pyroblast - [MERCY] vs [UNITY] in Russian
https://youtu.be/djoYcGQr1Lk
EU
3very - [EG-] vs [APA]
https://youtu.be/JB0jeQtUy38
Amaunet - [BPS-] vs [A1N1]
https://youtu.be/2K8mHEihg0Y
Fugit - [SNTY] vs [R3TI]
https://youtu.be/y5l4szHF2WY
Wildoneshelper - [LOCA] vs [-BPS-]
https://youtu.be/sWytI_XDwY0
NA
Amaunet - [RGN] vs [PURPL]
https://youtu.be/R5dkgmPEioU
Fishy - [PRAMO] vs [-MM]
https://youtu.be/OONF5O-FPoo
Fugit - [APX] vs [PNCR]
https://youtu.be/lLC6R9BO90w
PapaRage - [JKR] vs [GG-]
https://youtu.be/LU0482pbrbM in Spanish

Spring Challengers Day 1
ASIA
Amaunet - [ECG-] vs [DCGTB]
https://youtu.be/TSb6ZyYq5C0
NA
_34 - [EC-] vs [-PPS-]
https://www.twitch.tv/34wotb
3very - [_STR8] vs [-SVG]
https://youtu.be/_af_GmsCuuI
Wildoneshelper - [0G] vs [RIVAL]
https://youtu.be/Wq-fYxZJU5w

[limber lintel]

oppa! nice one! ❤️

[thorn shale]

check cats team name

[ember marlin]

Why are the number 1 and 2 seeds playing each other second round? Just seems like stupid seeding to me.

[steel shell]

because it can determine the team position?

[glass thunder]

Wg changing a1n1 team name lol

[burnt glacier]

Big brains
Imagine sb would call free Israel and they will meet each other

[glad sphinx]

what was it b4

[glass thunder]

The one on pictire i did share is old one the new one is just aan1

[ember marlin]

It should be #1 and #4 seeds in position to play second round
And 2 and 3 seeds on other bracket
The whole point of brackets is to not have the 1 and 2 seeds play until the last round of the tournament

[steel shell]

well its a game not a politician discussion

[glass thunder]

That true

[steel shell]

Yeah i know
I just meant the fact they corrected bps but missed a1n1 at first

[tepid sun]

Hello, is there any update for the links that are still missing for the tour streams ? @leaden belfry @pastel tartan

[pastel tartan]

i added the rest, i cannot add any others since they arent youtube, the rest is filled @tepid sun

[jolly kite]

Any prizes for watching Tournament tonight?

[tepid sun]

The streams are also not in game. How can we watch them then ? 😅

[crisp shore]

xiyangkun uploaded some games earlier today: https://space.bilibili.com/12786177/

Sadly Bingling streams are not saved

[tepid sun]

Thankyou

[pastel tartan]

there are none

[modest whale]

Fugit was giving away bps earlier for watching his stream i think

[pastel tartan]

well yea,but i dont think thats what he meant

[jolly kite]

Thank you for understanding what i mean
Im still excited to watch all the streamers

[pastel tartan]

hope you enjoy :)

[leaden belfry]

There's no rewards for just watching, however, all the Professionals streams (not the Challenger streams, just the Professionals) will have June battlepass giveaways. So tune in and follow the instructions, as each streamer can give them away how they want =)

[jolly kite]

How care about BP.
Watch all of you "fugit,every,wild,you and fishy" more enjoyable
Hope you all doing well

[fast hare]

Pheapkh#5519 has been warned.

[warped patrol]

@muted ore @lime glen it’s 15 mins left to EU professional tournament and our caller just got perm banned without any reason 🍾

[leaden belfry]

That's never done without reason though...

All he can do is submit a ticket and ask why he was banned, they'll be able to tell him

[radiant kelp]

lmao

[warped patrol]

Well sometimes, same as in this situation it’s someone’s whim I know that we met each other on rating battle and one of us died pretty fast, because he went too far, of course it is perfect reason to ban players for contractual battle, why there are 3 apa players in one battle? Because ratings above 5k in the middle of the day are usually dead. __TheWitcher from top team is also banned.

I can send you like 5 tickets when it is done without reason lol or it’s someone’s wrong decision. And later they are like ,,sorry it shouldn’t happen” , or we banned wrong player XD

[thorn shale]

u won EG even tho u guys got ammoracked in tie breaker no crying pls xDD @warped patrol btw ggs

[steel shell]

Very impressive given the fact you got ammoracked and played without the caller

[warped patrol]

I mean it works on quicks, just mute _yennefer so we can win.

[narrow meteor]

How is the Cinnamon toast frick did that just happen?

[radiant kelp]

What servers have already been streamed?

[steel shell]

Asia, CIS and EU has beeen being streamed for few hours by now

[mild mortar]

Does WG only check top 16 accounts for TOS violations or do they check every account that participates?

[thorn shale]

@warped patrol congratulations.

[primal talon]

@mild mortar Every account i think

[radiant kelp]

@thorn shale imposter

[slim socket]

i really enjoy watching World of Tanks Blitz PVP MMO 3D tank game for free

[dreamy ridge]

#unban

[indigo nacelle]

Anyone noticed that after ratings battle, the result is not posted to notifications and no replay of the battle?

[untold tinsel]

god i love the maus

[young furnace]

I love u

[solid pine]

When the challengers are more interesting than the pros

[slim socket]

Yes the matches from the challengers tournament certainly contained some intrigue

[supple hearth]

Fr

[proud holly]

Challengers op brah

[terse perch]

i like boost strats

[sonic flame]

In the forum it says that the finals of the Pro & Challenger tournament on EU will start at 17.00 cest but in the game it says that the finals will start at 20.00 cet. What's true?

[thorn shale]

@frosty nexus @muted ore so I have to ask, what was the logic behind creating this new group system and ditching the top 8 group stage format? Was this an experimental thing or are you planning to implement it going forward?

Additionally, I am curious how the seeding for the top 4 stage works. Would two teams that were in the first 4 team group be able to be matched against each other again ?

[narrow meteor]

@thorn shale #1 in group a plays #2 in group b

[thorn shale]

@narrow meteor ok phew

Imagine that wasn’t the case and we got seeded first round against Pramo again

It’s still confusing to me why we got seeded into group A with Pramo anyway considering they finished #2 in the rankings and we finished #1. Why put the top 2 teams in the same mini-group?

[narrow meteor]

yeah i wasnt a big fan of the group seeding either

[thorn shale]

@frosty nexus @muted ore if you could also clarify this, that would be very appreciated 😊

[narrow meteor]

@thorn shale im 100% sure they are testing out formats for twister. Right now the one you posted is my favorite although this one had potential if you switch the seeding around

[graceful jetty]

The regulations for spring have always said that group 1 would be
1v8
2v7
And group 2
3v6
4v5

I agree it shouldve been
1 v 8
3 v 6
&
2 v 7
4 v 5

[thorn shale]

Ah yes you are correct thank you

[rough tusk]

No you're wrong. 1 and 2 should be in the same group. Assuming they beat 7 and 8 in QF, 1 will face 2 in semis and one of them will drop to bottom bracket and should be able to win it thus ensuring both 1 and 2 progress. In final stage, group A plays B so both 1 and 2 shouldn't meet again till the finals.

It's a 100% correct method

I'm saying the current format allows for both 1 and 2 to be in finals. If we use the one what @knat#7334 suggested, the likelihood of that would be lesser

@TJFbleu#2467 WG likes to use strongest Vs weakest principle but ya I'd agree with u

[thorn shale]

He is saying 1 & 2 are in the same group

He’s just also saying that shouldn’t be the case in his opinion

[narrow meteor]

i'd rather give 7 and 8 a fighting chance and reward the 1 seed with a favorable bracket

[thorn shale]

The group stage gave every team a fighting chance

Seeding the 8th placed team against the 1st and the 7th against the 2nd is awful IMO

In group format the 8th placed team nearly always lost to the 1st placed one, but they also always had a chance to progress to top 4 if they beat other teams

In this current system two teams are eliminated after only playing 2 games. It’s genuinely terrible IMO. These teams played weeks of PYS games only to be eliminated in two Bo5 matches

[graceful jetty]

1 and 2 should be given a chance to win both their groups and not risk elimination by losing against eachother then losing against 7 or 8 cause of tilt or whatever other issues

Considering both of them win their groups and comtinue to win against all teams they face (best scenario) they shouldnt face eachother until upper bracket 2 of final stage

[leaden anchor]

I know this isn't what is being talked about, but I used to play WGL for WoT pc and we where given accounts to play for that, does blitz do this as well for their league or is it all down on personal accounts?

[thorn shale]

@leaden anchor all personal accounts for online tournaments

In offline tournaments, players are given special accounts with every tank in the game on them

[rough tusk]

imo what wg wants to achieve is for the final stage to be composed of 1 2 3 and 4 teams in PYS stage. This system is designed for that and is very harsh on 7 and 8 like TJ said. Also its highly unlikely that 1 or 2 loses to 7/8th team.

[narrow meteor]

@thorn shale yeah its pretty bad but at least their trying new things i guess

[thorn shale]

I liked the change to 6 PYS

That was a good number for sure

But IMO this group stage format is a genuinely massive step backwards

[graceful jetty]

Highly unlikely but if they face eachother on upperbracket 2 of group stage, its guaranteed that 1 of them will lose. Then their advance to final stage rests on a single bo5

Also on Asia, HLV #2 lost to ID #7 and then on EU...

So is it actually highly unlikely? Youre given 3 games to lose

[rough tusk]

ID was never a 7th place team. That messed seedings up on Asia. ID is easily top 2/3 team.

EG had some internal discord within the team which I think affected their performance. Not to mention, they had the easiest possible matches and they still lost them. I know they dominated entire PYS and had 40K cups but did u want them to get a free pass into the finals for that? Not to mention, both their opponents played really well. APA even got a 1500 HP ammorack in the tiebreaker and EG lost that match

Would things be different if they had robin round? probably
Would things be better if they had robin round? i dont think so

[graceful jetty]

What would you mean by better?

Playing #8 then #3 or #6 is by no means a free pass - it just tries to allow both #1 and #2 to make it to the final stage

Also thats a bit rough to teams who are performing well this season to say that ID is easily a top 2/3 team

Im not saying that my group seeding is better than the one currently, and it wasnt my intent to send essays in this channel. I just wanted to provide wg with possible changes to the double elim system (although i still believe RR is better) because i know they read this channel and actually implement changes based on feedback

[rough tusk]

Constructive feedback for WG; fix the seedings already. It shouldn't take 3 months to come up with a new method. Use Swiss or robin round in the upper echelons bc everyone deserves a fair chance after put in a month for PYS. Stop trying out new systems, there is already extensive research done on all of them for various sports, settle on one system/format already. Increase rewards/incentive to people to play like newer avatars/tanks that you can exclusively win from cw. Ditch the strongest Vs weakest principle, if a clan has finished top 4 in a major tournament and clan had the same 8-9/10 players which played in the previous tournament, give them a direct invitation to the next major tournament. That will also save your problem of people playing like mercenaries.

[muted ore]

Hello. The new structure for the spring season has been introduced to make the tournament better and to try something new. Future seasons may already have a different structure/format

[sinful crest]

Tournaments are fun and exciting, each system is brilliant.

[steel shell]

I think this format is meant to help top4 teams to go through without big problems

[glass thunder]

Yes but other one was better for new teams to get more games and more expériences training vs top team will never give u same expérience as tournament vs them
For my team as they are all new to this stage we did want to face all to get better expérience for next season
Imagine lode 2 games and go out

[thorn shale]

👌

[sonic flame]

@muted ore @frosty nexus

[frosty nexus]

@sonic flamemoment pls

@sonic flameyou're talking about the final stage, but in the first stage the time is — 20 May, 21:30 (CEST)

[sonic flame]

I mean the final matches on 23 May

[frosty nexus]

@sonic flamethe bracket for the final stage isn't created yet

[crisp shore]

http://forum.wotblitz.eu/index.php?/topic/55859-spring-challengers-tournament-2021/

Here it says 20:00 CEST on 23/5 though

[sonic flame]

Thx

[frosty nexus]

Edited on the forum, thx

[crisp shore]

That means Challengers Tournament grand finals will be held at the same time as Professionals Tournament grand finals I presume?

[frosty nexus]

@crisp shore Challengers tournament Grand-Final — 23 May, 20:00 (CEST)
Professional tournament Grand-Final — 23 May, 17:00 (CEST)

[crisp shore]

The forum link I posted was the Challengers tournament not the Professionals tournament so there does not need to be changed in the forum beforehand. Now it says 17:00 CEST there. Sorry for the confusion!

[warped patrol]

,,we are sorry for this incident”

[analog osprey]

Hahhahahahhaha

[steel shell]

I like the names 😄
Alex Flatcher is classic polish name and surname for sure

[sonic iron]

Meme

[analog osprey]

Spitfires reported u. I’m sry

[azure pecan]

Great ideas to create graphics for the brackets WG keep it UP

Its always value to do graphics to get an easy visual instead of text or so

[wintry hound]

Well it worked out in the end XDD

[gleaming pollen]

I don't really understand why there is grandfinal for the groups. Why doesn't the team which qualified from upper bracket get #1 seed and lower bracket get #2 seed.

[thorn shale]

@muted ore @frosty nexus will the top 4 teams get clan avatar like in autumn season? Thanks