tourneys-discussion

[ancient shard]

i think its just strongest vs weakest in terms of winrate

[surreal hinge]

No, tomato seeds.

[mossy stream]

does anyone know when the spring season starts and when prove your skill begins please at me if you have the info

[grim shadow]

Check pinned messages here. Has the dates

[frosty nexus]

Hello dear players,

✅ Please make attention that Quick tournaments #14 are moved from March 24th to March 25th.

[late kernel]

Update?

[thorn shale]

§

@late kernel yes update on wednesday

[versed field]

We need QT for every day!

[crisp shore]

No we need keys 😛

[radiant kelp]

Will prove your skill Tournaments and season coin Tournaments be on the same days like in winter season?

[ancient shard]

pls no

[shrewd summit]

@hasty glen english only please

[limber lintel]

Theres still a month for a new seeding system btw, just saying

[thorn shale]

WG alr said it wont be introduced in Spring. Idk why there is even a discussion about it

[green orchid]

dont get ur hopes up

[limber lintel]

Not getting my uopes up, just saying that the argument that there isn't sufficient time is complete bull, all I'm saying

[tardy bay]

@supple hearth Please keep this server english only.

[supple hearth]

This is english, what are u talkig about

[main cape]

are tournaments a good way to get credits ? or I should spam premiums in that time to get more credits ?

[thorn shale]

Spam premiums.

[fast hare]

_Yaro#3252 has been warned.

Sean74218#0001 has been warned.

N.Z.#1459 has been warned.

[thorn shale]

.........

[hybrid pagoda]

Looks 💩

[supple hearth]

This is very related to tournaments

[limber nacelle]

he meant the space tournament

[grim vine]

Are season coins gonna be at the same time as ascents again? Not tryna have another season with only 30 teams per night

[radiant kelp]

^

[crisp shore]

Think it was said somewhere that such things won't happen

[grim vine]

Nice.

[thorn shale]

Are you sure they said that?

From what I remember, they said, the scheduling is such that both of them cannot be avoided and for spring too, they will continue to overlap. Not a 100% sure on this tho

[crisp shore]

@thorn shale

[thorn shale]

@crisp shore Hmm I see. My bad

[patent quartz]

therefore will there be new rules to compensate seeding abuse or will it remain as it is till the next system is up?

nvm i'm blind

[fathom ermine]

i noticed now that the professional ticket i had is gone now

[supple hearth]

No way

[odd wolf]

Wow!

[radiant kelp]

🪐

[proud holly]

oh no!

[elfin ruin]

In all my time playing tournaments I have never seen a team with six zeros 😳

[radiant kelp]

sus

[maiden surge]

@red vapor hi

[elfin ruin]

Seriously we didn't. Was a mixed team we faced but even still.

[fast hare]

ケニー#1484 has been warned.

[supple hearth]

When am I going to receive my keys? I watched every stream of the winter season

[opaque bone]

Winter Season tournys didn't have keys

[maiden anvil]

ya i still havent gotten my keys from twister yet!?

[thorn shale]

@rocky cove English only

[rocky cove]

so, if u want to play tournament at EU time 15:00 (for 1h) tier VIII text me on pv

[sinful crest]

You’re not funny bro

[supple hearth]

😭

[narrow meteor]

Not laugh didn’t funny

[grim vine]

bad grammer.

[hybrid pagoda]

Grammar bad.

[proud holly]

u cringe man bad

[odd wolf]

Ok

[radiant kelp]

Juan

[thorn shale]

No QT today ?

[limber lintel]

it's saturday

[proud holly]

so we can expect 3-4 weeks of PYS... and then a double elimination?

[graceful jetty]

Hopefully its round robin like other pro tours before

[proud holly]

If the Pro tournies span 4 days, its likely double elimination

[crisp osprey]

hey I know u!

[tardy bay]

I am excited of spring season

[thorn shale]

Stay on topic folks

[sinful crest]

Yes.

[thorn shale]

Si.

[supple hearth]

Da

[winter swallow]

Aye. Round Robin in that time period would be, Ah, well. Tough.

[untold tinsel]

tru but i’d rather play a rr

[tardy bay]

Round robin is cool.

[languid sleet]

Hello

[thorn shale]

Yes

[maiden surge]

i agree

[limber lintel]

most people probably, but we don't decide

[limber lintel]

you gonna get warning, kekw

[grim vine]

i am sorry for not keeping this channel on topic.

[limber lintel]

idc, mods do, kekw

[gusty salmon]

Привет

[forest matrix]

Crazy how this channel is chill between season ... i guess it will fire again as soon as we know how seeding for spring is performed 😄

[still yoke]

Which week is the sheridan missle eventÉ

[pliant peak]

Yeah i just cant wait for people saying eeeee 100% wr acc you cant use it eeeee. xd

[untold tinsel]

it’ll fire up when people realize the seeding system will stay the same lol

[sinful crest]

just get good

[untold tinsel]

was never bad :,v

[supple hearth]

Hmm

[radiant kelp]

😳

[eternal dew]

⚠️ OFFICIAL: Spring Season 2021 canceled!

The tournament development team announced that they had to abandon the planned spring season, which we are accustomed to due to the low view rates of the past winter season. This measure was called forced, since, according to the developers, activity and tournament demand have noticeably dropped.

And here is the first bell, we hope the fate of the big tanks in the tournament will not repeat itself.

[upper oar]

😩

[crisp shore]

noooooooooo

[eternal dew]

Sorry......😔

[cyan timber]

i agree and respect their decision

[sinful crest]

Bruhhhh

[proud holly]

😭😭😭😭

[prime nacelle]

Omg not

[opaque bone]

Nuuuu ;-;

[sinful crest]

it’s april fools guys !!!

[atomic tartan]

when

[sinful crest]

today today today @atomic tartan

[tardy bay]

Keep this chat tournament related please.

[untold tinsel]

shut up 😐

[sinful crest]

Omg omg!!!!

[thorn shale]

DaBaby

[proud holly]

yeah yeah

[royal locust]

Lol he is fooling u

[supple hearth]

So much cringe in just 10 messages

[fast hare]

kintsu#1977 was muted

[thorn shale]

cut their arms Ez

[upper pike]

Anyone wanna play tier 8 toernament

[proud holly]

NO

[grim vine]

Tier 6 only.

[proud holly]

YES

[pliant folio]

<@&481447501690568709> Whats the dates for the tournaments next week?

[leaden belfry]

Have you tried looking in game?

If it's not there, then we can't tell you either 🤷‍♀️

[pliant folio]

Wow so the dates will be announced 1 day before , nobody ever knews it before?

[leaden belfry]

Well, Wargaming knows, I reckon, but we don't work for wargaming

[winter nimbus]

Why i received a message when he pinged moderators?

[pliant folio]

so should i ping wargaming?

[limber lintel]

Its basically always mondays wednesdays fridays and sundays, it rarely deviates from these weekdays

[leaden belfry]

No, you should wait until the info is publicly available, like everyone else, or guess/assume based on past tournament times

[mild mortar]

I cant be the only one who eants to see Mines as a tourney map.

I know it woulsnt be rhe besg map but it would be such a meme! And I love that map on CW on PC, sure its not as apllicable in Blitz cw but imagine the stuff that would happen on that map.

[dim pivot]

Hard to imagine much when the maps so small but alright

[mild mortar]

3 Vickers on both teams rushing to win the hill, Badgers or 7 heavies pushing hill. Tvps flanking hill through town to clip enemies in the back, or capping the base with a bunch of Mauses.

Its all stupid stuff and I dont expect it to be particularly dynamic or balanced but I can see it being a super fun map to play.

Just a bunch of stupid tourney gameplay xD

[wet tide]

It would just be 7 krans fighting eachother, nothing fun at all....
The map is way small for lights/tds/meds to be of any use.. You’d have 3 krans holding mid and some krans holding a push from city, even that flank would be ultimate suicide

[mild mortar]

Flanking around the Mines hill through the town is quick, it could easily break a hill camp. And you can farm the back of tanks on the hills from the islands.

Anyways I do know it wouldnt be the best gameplay, few issues eith that map

[proud holly]

There’s a lot of issues with the map and that’s why it’ll never be a tourny map

[untold tinsel]

thanks for a graphic rework on the map and not a gameplay rework. makes perfect sense

[radiant kelp]

ikr

[slim socket]

Still waiting on my keys from the winter season streams

[limber lintel]

Dont even give thwt idea please, for the love of god

[ashen token]

Bonjour je suis en recherche d'équipe pour les tournois de demain ?

[upper oar]

@ashen token english only

[rich anchor]

helo past me
🔑 🔑 🔑

[supple hearth]

I want mirage to be a comp map

[radiant kelp]

😳

[upper oar]

#tourneys-team-search

[upper oar]

how do you expect WG and the mods to know every language in the world so that we can respond to people and keep the chat abiding by the rules?

[turbid sinew]

Google translate

[upper oar]

WG customer support is equipped to deal with various languages, but the staff here isnt. would be a mess trying to deal with a plethora of languages and making sure everyone is following the rules, especially in casual conversation

@tender kiln btw you may have gotten a message from Dyno telling you about something. i advise doing that quickly

ok goodbye

[fast hare]

krebs.#2338 was banned

[limber lintel]

bro,
learn to use proper chats
#tourneys-team-search

[fast hare]

DaSilva_#2699 has been warned.

[thorn shale]

bobi noooo

[crisp shore]

In about an hour, Blitz Premier Cup, a community-run tournament, is heading to its conclusion with the awaited grand final of SNTY vs AQVA, two of the best clans on the EU server. They will take home lucrative prizes, partly sponsored by Wargaming which we are grateful of! RollingSwarm will be streaming this match and hope to see you all there!

https://youtu.be/ljWCi0waip8

[thorn shale]

hi

[analog osprey]

@thorn shale i just said in french to the other guy it’s an English server and I got fked

[thorn shale]

`xD

[harsh mist]

Looking for discord users to join tournament team on NA server, Teirs. 6 8. X

[proud holly]

NO

[vapid crypt]

When are rewards and details about spring coming out

[sinful crest]

@vapid crypt it starts April 23rd so probably the week before that is when they announce full stuff

[vapid crypt]

I see I see @sinful crest thanks fellow gaymer

[proud holly]

I’m hoping April 9th at the latest

[upper oar]

#tourneys-team-search

[winter swallow]

Blitz Premier Cup has paid out to all winning participants in under 24 hours from close of the tournament 💪

Teams are now looking forward to the soon commencing Spring Season o7

[upper oar]

lol gg

that was a great tournament you guys put on, also nice of WG to chip in something for the winners (plus the community donated purse!)

[sinful crest]

@upper oar what did wg chip in?

[winter swallow]

• Wargaming prize pool:
  1st place: 24,500 gold and 21,000,000 credits per team, 21 days of premium account per player.
  2nd place: 17,500 gold and 14,000,000 credits per team, 14 days of premium account per player.
  3rd place: 10,500 gold and 7,000,000 credits per team, 7 days of premium account per player.

[sinful crest]

wow that is nice

[supple hearth]

Why is it on EU only tough

[dim river]

@supple hearth because it was planned for EU

[jolly kite]

WP EU players ❤️
Thanks for wg

[supple hearth]

Kinda unfair, NA gets nothing

[dim river]

I mean, if there is enough demand, they’ll prob do a NA one too

[thorn shale]

Pretty sure it was mostly community organized (and it was very well organized at that).

Maybe if the NA scene came together in similar fashion that could be arranged, I think the community would have to innitiate rather than WG though. Would defo be fun to watch

[limber lintel]

+1

[signal lagoon]

@supple hearth Well, to be fair, since it's community run, that's why we're not getting anything. It's kinda like how we on NA got 4 rounds of clan wars before WG tournaments were a thing, and the other servers got nothing

[upper oar]

its too bad that CWNA is completely dead on NA. its likely that NA won't get a community run + WG sponsored tournament for a long time, if ever

[crisp shore]

Unless there is huge interest from the comp teams to organise one

[mild mortar]

Wish WG would organize international tournaments more often.

Or at least give us showcase matches like on PC where two top clans from different servers play eachother for minor prizes and bragging rights.

[analog osprey]

Only ru vs eu is possible

[thorn shale]

^

[limpid pier]

.

[winter swallow]

It was planned, organised and run by EU players. If you want something similar on NA and are an NA player, maybe run one yourself?

[mild mortar]

I would definitely stay up late to play NA or Asia players. Whether people would stay up to watch me play them is an entirely different matter xD

[signal lagoon]

@mild mortar The reason why it's not possible is because of ping issues, not timezones (although that's part of the problem too)

[sinful crest]

^^^^ I

[mild mortar]

Ouch, got my hopes up. Maybe no NA EU matches but i would like to see cross server show matches.

NA vs Asia and EU vs RU like on PC showmatches. Think it would be good to help build interest in the community and bring the regions together.

Generally there is a big detatch between RU and other regions because of language, its a shame as RU is generally the most competitive region (at least in sheer amount of very very good teams) and they run quite different metas to other regions so it would be nice to have showmatches to bridge this gap.

[winter swallow]

If you go any other server pairing than EU-CIS, players will be dealing with lag and timezone differences.

Would you like to play a show match with 500 ping at 3am? Unlikely 😂

[thorn shale]

Agree

[crisp shore]

NA vs Asia is a no-no considering time zones

[upper oar]

only servers that could feasibly work are EU and RU

NA and EU technically could work but both sides can't play in the evening. one region would need to play in the morning/afternoon, most likely NA

[mild mortar]

Obv there would be sacrifices like worse ping etc but Im pretty sure there would be teams willing to play at irregular times and people willing to watch them do so.

Also maybe ping kight be an issue, but Im from EU and get 90-110 ping max on NA which is playable but not optimal. Worst case the games are EU RU only but its better than nothing, would be awsome to see

[crisp shore]

Well some people have to work every day during the day so it might become impossible for them 👀 I don't think the audience will be an issue though

[narrow meteor]

NA/EU would have to be played on weekends

[near anvil]

NA/EU ping isn’t bad at all, when I played my NA acct in Europe I was around 80-100 ping

[thorn shale]

It’s horrible and NA would spam is4s to abuse high ping even more. Initial blitz delay is already bad and you can’t just do flick shots.

[narrow meteor]

Who’s saying we’d play in NA 😏

[atomic tartan]

EU players wanting to ditch their bipolar server. one day 30 ping next day 300.

[clear crypt]

Wow O_O

[winter swallow]

Crowd funded (player sponsored) prize pool was €2392... so just over $2800 o7

[tough acorn]

I think its a nice Idea whit the showmatch and WG can make it when they will but WG has at the moment some other big problems the need to fix!!!

[vital obsidian]

How about seeding system for spring 🤔 2 + weeks to go

[analog osprey]

I play with 20-30pings normally when I get +100pings I cry. Nah srsly impossible na and eu

[winter swallow]

I think WG will re-use the seeding system from PYS and Winter Season. I hope they've been able to find and implement a fix that would work for all servers.... but I doubt it. Hopefully teams have been working hard on their 100% WR accounts to help boost their seeding.

[burnt glacier]

Nice irony, mate

[winter swallow]

No irony. Neutral observation of likely outcome and also of what teams need to do to counter the inevitable.

[thorn shale]

Na + eu is not possible. Thats a fact

[tardy bay]

I think eu is scared of us tbh

[thorn shale]

I hope they make less qualifiers, 4 times a week fighting noob clans for 3h when you could have a training against a decent clan

[winter swallow]

I really hope someone [edit - "at WG"] finally realises that it is bad for EVERYONE to have server champions first game in any major qualifier being against one of the literal worst teams possible.

It is a waste of time for both teams. The elite team just go through the motions and the newbies get utterly steamrolled and never want to play tournaments ever again.

[thorn shale]

@winter swallow well do you want good teams to knock each other out and then 50% players playing PYS finals or what lol

@crisp shore good idea imo.

[crisp shore]

Or I was suggesting a few days ago, add a new stage in between the PYS and the Season Championship (SC)/Challengers Tournament (CT). In this way, you don't have to face the out-of-depth clans 8 times while the schedule can be less stringent in this way:

• 4 Prove Your Skill tournaments:
  Top 24 in the leaderboard advance to the play-offs
• Play-off:
  Composed of 6 teams in a group, played in best-of-5 single round robin, 4 groups in total
  Top 2 advance to Season Championship
  3rd and 4th advance to Challengers Tournament

To seed the play-off groups, in each group 2 spots are given to the top 8 clans on the leaderboard, 2 spots are given to the 9th-16th clans on the leaderboard, 2 spots are given to the 17th-24th clans on the leaderboard. This is also known as a 3-pot seeding, and can be done randomly or using the strongest-weakest principle

[chilly hemlock]

So I hear this 100% but I don’t know how I’d want to have it fixed. Long qualifying means mostly the best get in because one bad tournament or stupid seed doesn’t ruin it. But also, it feels like overkill sometimes too. Then top 8 plays for one week out of the 6 week season and the whole thing feels backwards

[thorn shale]

Last year there was 4 tournaments for qualifying and you had more time to prepare for them. That works better, especially if they put bo5 or bo7 instead of all bo3. Bad day shouldn't be the case at the top.

[chilly hemlock]

Best of 5 and 7 should definitely be the standard

3 is stupid with a bad map or spawn and 9 is obnoxiously long

Everyone knows spring season is coming. I don’t understand why they don’t just announce it so we have time to get ready

[crisp shore]

Thought they said it is going to start on 23 April?

[grim shadow]

Yeah it’s been in pinned messages for a month

[burnt glacier]

I rly hope that they will realise some system where they finally use Echelons system,where team will play only with team in the same Echelon. But I want too much I think from WG that are not changing themselves system during 3+ years

[analog osprey]

🤣

[green orchid]

EU isn't scared of a clan led by @sinful crest.

[analog osprey]

Hello maus player

[sinful crest]

@green orchid simmer down chocolate. Hi @analog osprey

[green orchid]

tell your lackey to be mindful of what he says as a member of JKR.

[fast hare]

Leggo#4903 has been warned.

[tardy bay]

I think Jkr is the best clan in the game

[sinful crest]

@green orchid 🍫 by “us” he means NA server not JKR

[patent quartz]

hmmm, evening fella maus player

[green orchid]

i think JKR should focus on their spring szn campaign and keeping the team together above all else for more than 1 tournament. i wouldnt want to regrettably say something stupid.

[analog osprey]

ARMAT Top1 NA
Vamos brasil

[sinful crest]

Hello to all. @green orchid I like to stay exotic and new for every WotB MMO 3d war PVP tournament season. I usually keep my team with the same people, just different clan name to keep the North American Competitive Scene a bit more exotic.

[green orchid]

i look forward to watching JKR during this no doubt exciting szn in mobile tank game. However i would like to recommend that you do not continue the rebranding procedure as u will no doubt exhaust your options for clan tags due to WG's inability to free clan tags for inactive clans and creativity to think of another clan name.

[tardy bay]

Whats your favorite clan guys?

[sinful crest]

@green orchid I’m glad to have you Shokkolade watching JKR for this new and improved exciting spring season. I look forward to seeing new competitive clans on the North American server, I do agree there needs to be free clan tags.

[analog osprey]

JKR now

[sinful crest]

@analog osprey you’re my favorite Eu player even over chocalate.

[winter swallow]

I want a good system that avoids both scenarios. It can be done.

[analog osprey]

@sinful crest < 3

[royal locust]

Wdym assassin is op clan leader

[open scarab]

I thought [PRAMO] Cry About It was

[upper oar]

on NA, i would go with NSBA

[ancient shard]

I disagree, I think all of these clans are inferior to [FSX] Fatal Swoop.

[proud holly]

Clearly, you've never heard of R-G-N

[silver pecan]

Lol

[royal locust]

Nope

[valid sorrel]

best clan is clearly R-G-N or PRAM0

[supple hearth]

I think PRAMO is the best clan on NA

[silver pecan]

Agreed

[green orchid]

He couldn’t lead a dog on a leash and ur tagging me about ‘op’ 💀

[royal locust]

:0

[limber lintel]

everyone so salty to each other, lmao, kekw, why? let's all come together and be salty to WG for wr seeding for spring

[rustic hemlock]

lets hope devs actually listen to these great ideas and not just go with haha wr go brrrrrrrrr seeding

[analog osprey]

@limber lintel hi no

[open scarab]

What about in the whole game?

[opaque bone]

Fake PRAMO

[atomic tartan]

7STAR 🙈

[tardy bay]

Guys guys, I like all clan. All clan is good.

[grim shadow]

PRAM0 is good

[winter swallow]

This is the try hards area. Can't have a top tier team without ruthless ambition and little bit of collateral smack talk.

[limber lintel]

considereth an joke

[proud holly]

I think R-G-N will be the #1 clan on NA while PRAM0 will be a close second

[open zealot]

Thanks for ur prediction, the world is in a better place with ur prediction

[crisp shore]

Allow me to make my prediction for the Spring Season 😏

[thorn shale]

Go

[pastel tartan]

what do you mean prediction,jinxing teams is what ur best at

[royal locust]

Ur right lol 😂 don’t jinx pls

[coral pivot]

FYI: tier 8 tournament doesn't bring cases for the missile event ;)

[warm fiber]

Ok...?

[thorn shale]

💯

[tardy bay]

tournaments

[proud holly]

RvR tournaments when

[winter swallow]

RvR??

[proud holly]

RvR 🙂

[mild mortar]

ZNTH top 1 Kekw, Mate no one deserves to getbcursed because you predict them lol. Have mercy Wildones

[mild river]

Imagine not knowing what RvR is 😖

[gleaming pollen]

It is HvsZ on EU server

[fluid kiln]

Anyone need a extra for tourney tonight

[supple hearth]

What HvsZ

[gleaming pollen]

It is RvR

[royal locust]

Good question

[proud holly]

Vroom vroom

[winter swallow]

W t f ?!?!

[gleaming pollen]

You never been in training rooms?
RvR aka runners vs rammers is called HvZ aka Humans vs Zombies in EU

[thorn shale]

Fot

[crisp shore]

What is PvZ?

[thorn shale]

Humans vs Zombies I think

[winter swallow]

oh... I uh.... I'd rather not watch that XD

[thorn shale]

😆 its fun so, why not. For sure its more relaxing than playing rating battles with animals

[atomic tartan]

are you being serious lmao

[gleaming pollen]

Yes

[worthy crater]

any ideas about how wr for tour teams are calculated? will wg just take average of wr of all players? or will battle count of each players be taken in to consideration as well? will wr of low tiers (1-5) be counted ?

edit: so u can just take 3 100wr players with one game in to team and they will be counted as 3 of the 7 highest wrs??

[limber lintel]

Winter season was average wr, unweighted, of the highest 7 wrs on the team

[ancient shard]

Bottom 3 winrates are removed, non weighted, so basically you could run a 100% account with 1 battle to boost team winrate and it definitely would. and yes average wr of the team

[limber lintel]

Incorrect, its counting highest 7, not removing bottom 3

Also I have the feeling that WG saying 100% accounts will be limited by effect, means that in spring it might be weighted, but dont take me on this one, this is speculation

[ancient shard]

ah ic

[languid phoenix]

Just a question, but is the blitz cup the only tournament that will give rewards when you watch it?

[sinful crest]

@languid phoenix i think spring season 2020 gave rewards for watching spring szn

[graceful jetty]

I need everyone to please keep this chat tournament related please thanks

[vital obsidian]

@frosty nexus

Will the spring PYS rules include a quaranteen for players to prevent clanhopping during last stages of PYS and to prevent selling of avatar spots? Hope for quaranteen covering at least 1/2 PYS.

And how about wr 100 % bans?

[frosty nexus]

@vital obsidian we will announce regulations and changes soon.

[vital obsidian]

Thank you. Please consider carefully the risk connected to selling of avatar spots, with 2 CIS player rule in pro/challenger we already saw in winter season what it lead to, and we might see more of it this season, if there are no rules preventing.

[forest matrix]

Good to see the word changes!

[royal cradle]

Wondering what those will be🤨

[vapid crypt]

@muted ore @frosty nexus Will the video with information about spring season rewards come out next week?

[supple hearth]

Just be patient, wargaming will do their best to give us info asap

[untold tinsel]

look at this little wg mod in the making

[upper oar]

🧐

he is right tho

[supple hearth]

🤫

[neat mauve]

when does pys start happening?

[muted ore]

Hi. Yes, since next week is the start of the season )

[leaden belfry]

then I really hope regulations will be up ASAP so people know what to expect

[wet tide]

Yes, people need to know if they will want to bother playing the season or not lol
Really hope wg fixed the rigging of wr....

[leaden belfry]

🤞 🤞

[spice briar]

Didnt they already say they wont change it anytime soon? I doubt that there will be any changes tbh

[worthy crater]

no, but PYS is

[fast hare]

Mr_MUSCLOUR#1899 has been warned.

[fast hare]

Mr_MUSCLOUR#1899 was banned

[proud holly]

Still waiting on the spring season regulations and schedule 😔

[warm snow]

Will the final stage of the spring season pros will be the same system as winter season? Or will it be a round robin like before?

[leaden belfry]

@warm snow judging by the time line Daria posted before I think it's the same or at least very similar to Winter season

[odd wolf]

I don’t think anyone liked the winter season format, it’s far less entertaining than round robin, and I personally don’t think that in pro tourneys there should be a bracket

[calm atlas]

when does spring start

[vapid crypt]

April 23rd

[thorn shale]

1 month playing vs 50%wr teams (no offense) and then just 2 days of facing top 8 teams XD

[narrow meteor]

@odd wolf there were a good amount of people that enjoyed the winter season format... both formats are good

[royal locust]

Yea I agree there isn’t a need for that it shows no skill if u beat a 50% clan(no offense to those teams ) it’s better to play teams that are better than 50%

[supple hearth]

Ikr

[sinful crest]

I agree with ChipotleIsLife23. Both formats are fun.

[untold tinsel]

i disagree

[mild mortar]

In retrospect you may think that playing 50%ers for a month is a waste of time (kind of is) buuut:

• It shows consistancy (removes underdog runs and gives viewers best matches)
• Given the system we currently have its the best way for WG to put teams into a rating, wouldnt be fair to new clans if the spots were just given to clans based off of premeditated ratings and assumptions (pretty sure AQVA, SNTY and CARNA were made just before last season, imagine their spots in top 8 went to a clan like Ra1d because these clans were new and not proven or whatever).

System isnt perfect but untill WG stop being lazy and gjve us an elo system its better to put up with this than change it to something worse

[thorn shale]

Anyone doing t6?

[spark pumice]

I personally find the Tog II is the most flexible and competitive tank for very serious tier six comp

[supple hearth]

🤔

[proud holly]

Clearly you've never used the 7 Churchil GC strat before 😒

[sinful crest]

@spark pumice I beg to differ, The tier 6 American Tank Destroyer the Hellcat is the most versatile tank at its tier. It has a combined of fast maneuverability, accurate fast firing gun, and a nice amount of gun depression. Also amazing camouflage numbers.

[dreamy bolt]

Kv-2

[versed field]

im excited of this new season hopfully they will eliminate affect of these 100% wr guys

[warm snow]

The issue with the winter season format is, you don’t get the full pro season experience by playing every top 8 team. In a round robin format, you have the opportunity to get a week or so of true professional tournament experience for all the time and effort that was put into PYS and the additional time before to prep for that.
In the new top 8 bracket format of strongest vs weakest decided by cups, the teams who have to face the top teams will likely get cut in the very first day (atleast in NA, where its predominantly RGN, PRAMO, now the GG- family).
So what was all the hard work of building a solid enough team to make it into top 8, for? Just to be cut out the first day from the entire duration of the top 8 matches. It’s just stupid, I must say

[simple tusk]

thats true. ppl all times thinking aol clans with "names" stronger than new ones, but this is just a stereotype and does not quite correspond to reality

[leaden belfry]

@muted ore the season is starting just over a week, can you shed some light on the format, rules/regulations and such for us yet? =)

[muted ore]

Hi ) Announcements will be coming soon, just have to wait a little bit.
I can tell you, that there will be fewer qualifiers tournaments than in the Winter season.

[radiant kelp]

Cyber camo?

[thorn shale]

Yes . Green one for top 8’+ teams probably

[sinful crest]

Pro camo 🕴🏻

[thorn shale]

I dont think they will give pro camo. Since they already announced spring and summer season camos

[pliant peak]

Summer camo is the best for me : P

[proud holly]

Think Summer is tank dependant. Some tanks have more "wear" than others when it comes to equipping camos

[forest matrix]

Fewer qualifiers tournaments implies higher role of seeding in final ranking. Really hope it will be improved !

[gentle mango]

I like spring

[thorn shale]

winter and spring are the best imo

[ancient shard]

yes

[green orchid]

i dont have to choose a camo cos im guaranteed to collect them all

[vital obsidian]

• famous phrase by shokk -

[winter swallow]

It is a back step to the twister format of 2017...

[gentle mango]

We are discussing which camouflage we like best

[royal locust]

Wg not giving out pro blue and orange camos right?

[tender shell]

Not this time, but perhaps they will do the same as with the rating camos, move them down a "tier" and they will become available for smaller tournaments.

[royal locust]

Thanks

[green orchid]

thanks for your message, i wouldnt have been able to tell otherwise 🥴 💀

[royal cradle]

lul

[royal locust]

😂

[radiant kelp]

thats terrible idea, it loses its value too

[tender shell]

It isn't in my eyes, rating camos don't lose their value, they are just no longer available to get. Most of the CW players already have earned those old CW camos multiple times, makes no sense to hide them from others. I can imagine a tournament with the challenger avatar and the old camo set as a reward.

[gentle mango]

Rating camos and tour camos are differently

[limber lintel]

+1

[gusty topaz]

When is the spring season starting?

[warm fiber]

would be a good idea imo, maybe even make it available for pc as a large majority of pc players want some kind of valuable tournament

[sinful crest]

April 23rd

[lunar stirrup]

Cw season starting = new drama inc
Thats how u guess it 😂

[cyan timber]

new cw season = new mojkar video most importantly

[warm fiber]

xD

[tender shell]

@warm fiber Yes, exactly.

[slim blade]

the way wg have always completely excluded pc players from tournaments is ridiculous, about time we get a pc only tour

[grim shadow]

Does that add +20% to my WR?

[royal cradle]

I think WG said it many times that the competitive tournaments will be touch only coz the game is in first line a mobile game. If you want to play competitive go to WOT PC

[muted ore]

Just a little bit more )

[limber lintel]

+1

[upbeat iris]

Doesn’t exclude the possibility for some minor tournaments which are a bit larger than a QT or coin tourney though. The big tourneys need to remain touch only, but some smaller tourney for pc players in between wouldn’t hurt.

[royal cradle]

Defo not but not having pc tourneys means that there's more money available in the Big Touch Tourneys

[upbeat iris]

Doesn’t need to reward money tbf

[odd wolf]

Pc only prob won’t happen cause it’s a mobile game. Don’t think WG is gonna dedicate time to make a slightly bigger season coins tourney just for pc

[upbeat iris]

I’m not talking about just PC though, just pc tourneys would be a waste of time

[tranquil seal]

Rofl

[odd basalt]

Play on ur phone and youre golden

[slim blade]

I’m a mobile player it’s just at least make a somewhat competitive scene for pc players

[sinful crest]

mobile game on the AppStore go play pc comp and knock yourself out

[opaque bone]

Me voting for PC tournaments even though there's no way I'm doing them xD

[slim blade]

#equalrightsforpcplayers

[vapid crypt]

It’s a mobile game why would they do pc tourneys, that’s like flying a plane with a drivers license 🤡

[slim blade]

It’s a mobile game why would they make it available for pc, that’s like buying a car and it being a plane 🤡

[shrewd summit]

It's like using a substitution in a recipe

You can substitute X for the original ingredient, but if you have it on hand why would you do that

PC is an option

And very few people who have good PCs will be playing WoT Blitz on them

[warm fiber]

What?

[grim shadow]

Someone deleted the post 😦

[ancient shard]

Who is excited for the spring season tournaments!!!!

[wet tide]

Not much people I think
Unless wg fixed this 100wr rigging

[sinful crest]

if you can’t beat the riggers then just rig abuse the system if it’s abusing you

[proud holly]

7 days remaining and still no info .. . .. . .

[ancient shard]

iirc they announced the winter season info 5 days before pys started right? Maybe same time frame?

[thick elk]

They said they would release it earlier this season🐀

[vapid crypt]

I’m 100% sure they will release it tmmr

[ancient shard]

Thanks for your insight on this topic.

[crisp shore]

Tunnie is trying to be the next jinx god so that I can happily retire 😉

[green orchid]

im just waiting for @crisp shore’s top 8 predictions and write ups for these teams

[sinful crest]

@green orchid nice bro

[green orchid]

gravity mode platoon? @sinful crest

[sinful crest]

@green orchid ye ye ye dababy les go

[vapid crypt]

Yes pro bro

[slim socket]

Can you get keys from watching spring season streams and will they take approximately 69 years to deliver like last time

[pliant peak]

Nope

[radiant kelp]

announcement?

[proud holly]

bruh who

cmon . . .. i spent 2 minutes on that

[graceful jetty]

After pc players get a big tournament, it will only be a matter of time before they want money.
Its like letting an infection spread

[thorn shale]

that's like excluding 30k players or 25-30% of ur entire playerbase from competitive. I'm sure wg will be forced to re-look at their decision sooner or later

[graceful jetty]

Or if they really want to play tournaments that bad they can just play on touch 🤷

[thorn shale]

im doing that lol but not everyone will do that. hardly 5% of pc players will switch devices just to play tournaments. wotb tournaments isnt that big of a deal for casuals compared to other games

@graceful jetty steamcharts - https://steamcharts.com/app/444200

Edit 2: 5% isnt based off anything concrete. Most of the people I know arent willing to change devices bc (1) Lack of good touch devices like an ipad (2) not willing to relearn since aiming mechanics are completely different. WG can't be forced yes but WG definitely isnt going to let 25-30% of playerbase leave the game. Rn the pc players do not have interest in major tournaments due to lack of incentives and unless there are new players joining comp scene, its gonna stay stagnant. Lets be real.

[graceful jetty]

Where are u getting these numbers from 🤔
I mean the 5% wanting to change devices. Also since its not that big of a deal like you say, they can just not play. WG cant be 'forced' to do anything

[unique shoal]

@thorn shale you don’t need an iPad to be good on touch

[graceful jetty]

Just because they dont play tournaments doesnt mean theyre going to leave the game (?) If anything the people who play tournaments are more likely to leave because they cant deal with random teammates after knowing what it feels like to play with a proper team
If they cant be bothered to relearn aiming mechanics why would wg be bothered to make a tournament for them :joy:
Why do u think there arent any new players joining comp. 3 of our spring team are pretty new to comp and several others have returned after a break. You are also new to comp and so is the team ur playing with

[proud holly]

Announcementttttt

[azure pecan]

Rewards just need to be much bigger and many problems are solved

We’ve been claiming for probably more than one year now that prizes are ridiculous compared to the preparation and stuff.. which is even worse if u go arround top16 which doesn’t push any normal player to play comp

[thorn shale]

hi

[limber lintel]

It's about viewership and ad revenue tho, low viewer count = less ad revenue = less prize money

[forest matrix]

Are there ppl here to win money lol? (If yes kinda delusional)

[upbeat iris]

Get a job and you get way more out of it 🤷‍♂️

[azure pecan]

@limber lintel indeed, but viewer-base’s size depends of how big is the event, and how big is the event depends of how WG organizes it and gives on top of it
In clear, the biggest prizes they give, the more interest it gets, the bigger events it is etc...

@forest matrix truly only few ppl do care about the money reward, (maybe because it’s really low unless you’re finalist ?)
But I’m not talking only about money, but also about in-game rewards
The actual players play because of their love for the wotb competition you’re right, but that’s also why we have such a « little » amount of competition
When you’re a casual players and think about joining comp, the rewards are way too low to push you joining it

What works the most as motivating-rewards even above money, is obviously the rewards you can only earn through being on the scene. Such as pro camos, you can only get em reaching a high spot in comp which gives it a really high value. It doesn’t even cost a lot to WG.. I don’t understand what don’t they investigate it more. Imagine how bigger would be the interest if they start giving premiums only to some CW spots, rarer pro camos or pro avatar if u get them for X times etc..

[jade hornet]

agreed. also for example attachements to ur tank like clanlogo or clanname or whatever if u are like top3 or smth just smth special that only some players have

[limber lintel]

I think the biggest thing WG should work on is the amount of games played in qualifiers, because if ur beaten on first day, you had 6 games max if you didn't get 2nd day, but for the next day you are locked from other tours, cus you can't leave the current team

Also, it isn't fun for such teams to do that if they can get a lot more games in if they don't play PYS and just do a QT the day after or something like that, on top of that, they probably even get more stuff from doing decent in the QT or something, compared to getting rekt in a PYS

[forest matrix]

👍 @azure pecan

[azure pecan]

Yeah, any reward that is given only through comp gets a super high value and not so hard to do I believe @jade hornet

@limber lintel ikr there are many other stuff that are meant to be reworked to be better but we were just discussing about rewards here

[limber lintel]

we were talking about why comp isn't appealing to a lot of teams, no?

[azure pecan]

Oh right nvm then

[vapid crypt]

Bruh nvm my theory was wrong about them releasing the info today 💀

[dreamy bolt]

Wargaming needs to think about re-jigging tournaments to be more open to pc and stuff especially with upcoming competitors just as another way of keeping players entertained

[worthy crater]

How many pys tours are there last time?

[vapid crypt]

There was 4 a week in winter season

@lime glen We’re 6 days away when are we going to be info for spring in order to be more aware of what’s happening

[upbeat iris]

They are hard at work to fix the seeding jaa

[lunar stirrup]

In like 6 days u should be aware

[potent magnet]

Tier 9 summer tournament? 🤔

[green orchid]

pls just not tier 8 im not going through another szn of 5 252us and 2 t54e2 shark tanks per team... also tier 9 would just be k91 spam, whoever focus fires better would win

[untold tinsel]

false, tier 9 would be t54 and wt spam

[potent magnet]

No it would be k91s also it's still better than tier 8 or tier 7, hopefully wg can just do tier 10

[atomic tartan]

not mutually exclusive

[green orchid]

only people who don’t have a chance to win money out of this game would say this.

[forest matrix]

Ok there are 20 guys playing for money on top but even them are hopefully essentially looking for fun no?
I mean I hope u are not living out of this income

[green orchid]

i am not, but making 3k+ out of this game which i play on the side isn’t bad although monetary rewards could be more.

[atomic tartan]

what's delusional about making money?

[forest matrix]

U should read again what I wrote - I will explain : I meant I guess 99% of the tournaments participants are there because they just enjoy it and they kinda don’t care about the money prize. Just like our streamers are not there for YouTube money etc... But maybe I have a romantic opinion on that (I’m French)

[atomic tartan]

a what now?

[lusty flint]

🤨

[flat goblet]

I mean he's not wrong, few people make money from these tournaments and those who do win do not get all that much.

[neon thistle]

:v

[chilly hemlock]

I don’t think many teams outside the top 5 or 10 on any server think they’re going to win money. They play because it’s fun or they want to get better

[flat goblet]

Yeah, he said that. I don't know what point he was trying to make though.

[chilly hemlock]

“Blitz isn’t a career” I think

[flat goblet]

That should be pretty obvious for the time being lol

[proud holly]

What are the monetary prizes for a "first place" team again? Like 250$ per person?

[green orchid]

250-2500 depending on size of the tournament

[spark pumice]

Were only less than a week away... Im sure WG is working very hard and there will be a very timely announcement very soon😌

[jolly kite]

I think the announcement will come in Monday

[supple hearth]

Imagine playing blitz for money

[coarse goblet]

If you gain money from gaming 🤷 it's worth it

[proud holly]

I mean there's a lot of you things you can do/get with 250$. It's a pretty nice bonus.

[thorn shale]

But it’s you who made the call

[atomic tartan]

imagine playing blitz for free 🤡

[supple hearth]

This game is for fun, not for money 💀

[atomic tartan]

assuming those two are mutually exclusive 🐒

[civic glacier]

I’m not saying it’s for money, but for fun? 💀

[vapid crypt]

^ okay bro at this point I don’t know what the point of making us wait so long is like bruh @muted ore I thought it was very soon 🙃

[azure pecan]

At least we knew dates early enough this time, which is an awesome improvement
Rest of the infos are just to fill our curiosity about prizes and organization

[vapid crypt]

Yeah ig but like it’s more than curiosity, you should know what your playing for and like how many’s days a week so your able to talk it out and sort with team

[upbeat iris]

Also, it’s weekend now, can’t expect anyone to make their announcements then. Though that doesn’t excuse them always being late obv

[supple hearth]

Announcement will be tomorrow. I think...

[covert flax]

Groovy, thought they would of announced it sooner tho

[limber lintel]

Announcement will be 00:01AM on the 23rd
.

[narrow meteor]

at least we know when it starts calm down

[royal locust]

Tru it’s better than not knowing when the tournament starts

[supple hearth]

Lmao

[green orchid]

planning xdd, here at EG we don’t do that

[muted ore]

The season starts on April 23.
The season announcement will be a few days before that.

[muted ore]

A little earlier )

[tranquil seal]

But just a little

[toxic lintel]

lol

[jade hornet]

i can make u a compilation of wg saying: " just wait a little" lmaoo

[sinful crest]

Time is ticking 🌙

[lunar stirrup]

A bit earlier, probably at 00:00

[forest matrix]

Rly? some guys here have lowered that much the expectations towards WG that having the tournament dates is enough for u ?
Come on I am not saying it’s the end of the world ofc, but not knowing the tournament layout, maps being played and seeding stuff 5 days before is not ok ! There are 10+ clans every evening hard training on EU server - if only WG could show the same level of commitment when it comes to CW. (I usually don’t like to send negative vibes but I think this is fair in this circumstance)

[wet tide]

Agree....

[royal cradle]

WG is a joke for quiet a while and will continue being one, nothing against the people who work there personally bcz I like the game a lot however how it's handled is kinda meh most of the time.

[supple hearth]

Thanks wargaming, I’m glad that you are at least making an announcement! 🙏

[limber lintel]

*quite, SPRTA nooba

edit: response to below, quiet -> quite

[royal cradle]

quite? @limber lintel

[wet tide]

You couldn’t leave it xd

[dusty lotus]

Do u have any idea if T8 cointour comes back?

[surreal hinge]

Wargaming's patented release answer: soon

[ancient shard]

hey bro. i thought it was meant to come out 2 days ago. Stop spreading misinformation!!!

[vapid crypt]

Bruh it was an educated guess 🐀

[mild mortar]

Wargaming should make a run at politics the way they are so good at giving vague answers

Edit:

Day 135 without Keys
Day 42 without Spring Season announcement

#weneedanswers

[atomic tartan]

what was the 23rd supposed to be again? i lost track

[supple hearth]

The tournament 😂

[azure pecan]

Season starts 23rd but the qualifiers will maybe start later

[surreal hinge]

They will start soon

[thorn shale]

Dude rlly. Long ago they announced spring will start last days of April-start of May. With the exact days

What u guys asking for????

We already have the answers. So stop asking for answers when u already have them omg

Edit: look pin messages of this chat. Please guys... complain about WG but then u guys cant find the announcement made 10th of MARCH.

And somehow wg still answer ur questions. Say thanks to god

[vapid crypt]

April fools

[sinful crest]

We need our spring cyber camo info!!!!! And the keys !!!

[narrow meteor]

@thorn shale Ong, homies stressed for nothing

[green orchid]

other than them announcing the prize pool i see no other reason people should be crying for extra details

[ember marlin]

Um remember that we dont have exact dates of pys we only have the date range for the whole spring season and exact dates for professionals and challengers
Some of us cant play every day because of actual lives

[thorn shale]

well i understand that, but doesnt matter if they announce them now or 3 days ago, if u cant play on Monday (for example) u wont play on monday, doesnt matter if there is PYS on mondays. Do u get me?

[ember marlin]

The earlier I can know when dates are the more likely i can work my schedule around the tournament

[toxic lintel]

I’m just curious if they did anything to fix the 100wr accounts this season lol

[flat goblet]

I think no

[sinful crest]

They said they couldn’t implement a new wr system for spring

[green orchid]

@Wargaming will u still allow 2 players from a different region to play on a server they dont live in so the mercenaries among us arent breaking the rules

[limber lintel]

Insufficient time bro, a month

[chilly hemlock]

Hard to do that in only 2 months...

[sinful crest]

Im just passing the word to what Korah was wondering, not complaining

[chilly hemlock]

You should be

It’s ridiculous that it happened the first time. More so that it didn’t get fixed

[atomic tartan]

don't forget that this used to not be an issue. wonder why they took away the battle-weighted winrate system to begin with. Wargaming never does anything without a reason, nomatter how asinine

[chilly hemlock]

It’s rather funny that they both, somehow, messed it up and also don’t know how to fix it

All those smasher dollars hard at work

[atomic tartan]

unless reverting just means we go back to the original issue they were trying to solve by removing battle weights in the first place. what that issue could be, only WG knows

my guess is that they listened to people like Maddox (but not exactly) who thinks the existing seeding system doesn't reflect more recent performances, but interpreted it in their own way (lost in Google Translation). what came out the other end probably went along the lines of >a career winrate does not reflect recent performance and is detrimental i.e. 30k+ 57% accounts dragging down the winrate of a 65% sub 20k team

so their (probably stop-gap) solution was to just remove battle count from the equation then hope in the meantime, everyone (Mazepins, apparently) carries on like they did and only register real, playing accounts by....gentlemen's agreements (😂)

[chilly hemlock]

They’ve pulled a Mazespin*

[spark pumice]

who needs 3 days notice when you can have 2... or even better 1!!

[leaden belfry]

Ah but that's the thing - it's never been weighted

The seeding system we have now has always been like that - only, it's never been abused as much as last Autumn and this Winter season, so it didn't come to light as much

I say as much because there have been complaints before - they just got snowed under because there weren't many people/clans abusing it, but that doesn't mean there were zero

[drifting breach]

why do my recruitment posts keep getting deleted

[leaden belfry]

@drifting breach dm me what you posted and I'll tell you

Also, this isn't a recruitment channel, so that might have to do with it, if you posted them here 👀😅

[worthy island]

Can a player that just join a clan for a day or less stil represent that clan for the season tourney

[leaden belfry]

That depends on the rules we still haven't seen yet 😅

There have been rules before about having to have been in the Clan for 2 weeks, but we don't know if that applies here and if it applies to qualifications too

[sinful crest]

Yes.

[worthy island]

When was that? I didn’t see it for the winter season

[tranquil seal]

According to rexy, the seeding has always considered non-weighted wr.

[leaden belfry]

It was huge drama a few seasons ago because wg put it in the rules, but announced the rules less than 2 weeks before the tournament started

Wg went back on it and removed it because of that

[grim shadow]

🔥

[sinful crest]

@dense phoenix please refrain from advertising your clan in a tournament discussion channel.

[mild mortar]

Battle weighted WR didnt temove the impact of 1 battle 100wr account but was far more helpful to rerolls say 1k battles with 70% wr.

[wet tide]

Lol weighted wr completely kills 100wrs cuz they only contribute 1 win
Lol imagine how fun that’d be

[fathom tiger]

Unless team is full of 100wr accs

[split cosmos]

📃 ❔

[sonic iron]

.

[forest matrix]

Yes weighted battles will solve only part of the problem are most of the riggers were more or less full of reroll - I saw that the S4W clan had proudly like six 100% winrate in their roster so that they could probably still rig a weighted seeding (while still ending an anonymous 20th place at the end)

[supple hearth]

Finally a video

Nice SPRING camo

[vapid crypt]

😂😂

[atomic tartan]

Clearly “considered” and functionality are two separate things then

[frosty nexus]

@supple hearth Ooopps

[supple hearth]

U better fix it before people start memeing about it 😂

[half urchin]

were they able to fix the seeding after 2 years, or still the same **?

[rustic hemlock]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/624395471762489354/832808545854423090/image0.gif

[frosty nexus]

@supple hearth fixing

[pliant peak]

https://eu.wotblitz.com/en/news/tournaments/spring-season-2021/

[sinful crest]

@frosty nexus thank you for giving us the early announcement back in March 🙂

[frosty nexus]

@gusty jacinth German version will be available soon

[wet tide]

Did you guys do anything to counter the use of 100wr accounts? And if so, when will we know what it is? (Sorry if It’s already been said somewhere but haven’t seen it yet)

[supple hearth]

Stop asking the same question, it’s a fat NO

[dim pivot]

Damn dude dont go revealing these top strats

[split cosmos]

😅

[tepid sun]

Because of local legal limitations, players from some countries are not eligible to win monetary prizes from Spring tour. If we still have players from those countries in team, what will happen to their share of prize ? @frosty nexus

Will the prizes be divided only to eligible players in team ?

[thorn shale]

Whats this meme? Challengers get same camo as top 8?? And top 4 gets orange prof camo? WG pls change the colours of the prof camo is not difficult ....we are asking for this for so many time
And no coments on giving same camo to top 16-9 and top 8-1... pathetic tbh

[frosty nexus]

@tepid sun we will distribute the part of the prize fund of this players between other players in the team

[inner ice]

Tournaments I can’t be part of because they start at 3am for me :”u

[supple hearth]

I don’t see the problem

[thorn shale]

??? pls tell me you are joking

[tranquil seal]

+++

[tepid sun]

Thankyou

[languid harbor]

Lmao biggest hypocrite the clan who abused it in winter @wet tide

[wet tide]

I am not hypocrite, I have always been against the use of 100wrs and I told that to the lead of the team at the time too. If I was the one making the decision we wouldn’t have abused it, dear sir.

[tranquil seal]

Another noname pointing fingers, great

[narrow meteor]

Lets all get along fellas

[latent olive]

Im staying outta this

[tranquil gazelle]

100%

[winter swallow]

Sorry I cba to read up. Is the seeding system the same, fixed or somehow worse?

@latent olive wise.

@thorn shale public or private ot makes little difference regarding CC feedback. Trust me on that.

[thorn shale]

You shouldnt. Streamers should try to make WG go the right way. Not just ignore the problems (Idk if in private you guys try to make things better tho)but in public u should say ur opinion too

Seeding, rewards, everything. They will hear you before players...

@winter swallow i trust u on this. But we should keep trying... maybe one day they will hear us and we can make party

[ancient shard]

Only top 4 challengers teams get it, but yea I still agree

[leaden belfry]

@frosty nexus can you please clarify this? 😅

May 14th-23rd, or May 19th-23rd?

[leaden belfry]

no one's staying out of that sort of thing

[half lake]

What an error.

[leaden belfry]

what we're staying out of is the finger pointing between clans and players

and as it is, we're -still- waiting on the rules and regulations for this season

so we don't know if the whole thing of winrate abuse and all is still going to happen or if WG made any rules against it, even if there's no new seeding system yet

[turbid sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-lawd-my-precious-gif-13073178

[leaden belfry]

@muted ore can you shed some light in the darkness for us yet? Especially with the news up and all, it would be very appreciated if we could finally see the rules too

[tranquil seal]

imho you shouldn't 🤷‍♂️
there's great freedom in defining the "unsporting conduct" part of the rules, since it's deliberately not made clear by the organizers, thus taking sides publicly against what could very easily be defined as such shouln't be anything to be frown upon

[leaden belfry]

I call everyone out for their actions during the season

I don't see the added value of calling people out for their actions last season

[half lake]

Saw that WR abuse a lot. Sick and tired of it.

[vapid crypt]

Bro you guys need to calm down like bruh if you have a problem about it then tell the WG devs or sum it’s as simple as that

[leaden belfry]

the discussions regarding that have been long, and the dislikes on streams because of it have been many

[leaden belfry]

that's why I want to see the rules with regards to this season

[limber lintel]

exact same it would seem

[leaden belfry]

the only one that can do anything about the seeding abuse, since teams don't have enough morals to do it themselves for the most part, is Wargaming. If they've not changed the rules, we're set for another season of seeding abuse

I want to believe WG changed -something-, since they were equally against the abuse, but couldn't (wouldn't) change the rules mid season to stop it

but we'll only know once we see the rules

[untold tinsel]

@leaden belfry i’ll point my fingers at whatever clan i want 🤭

[leaden belfry]

@untold tinsel thing is that it was specifically streamers being asked to do so here, because Fugit said he's staying out of it

[muted ore]

Hi. There is an error in the picture, but we will fix it.
The correct dates are May 19-23.
Thank you for your help!

The rules will be published next week.

[leaden belfry]

does that mean there aren't any rules for the qualifications again?

so seeding abuse won't be addressed -at all-?

[vapid crypt]

Wait bruh why are rules published after the season starts lol

[leaden belfry]

my guess is the rules wg is actually posting are only for Professionals/Challengers

and not for the whole part before it, which is where the problems were to begin with

[thorn shale]

^

[untold tinsel]

bruh so wg are making rules for pro/ challengers and not addressing ascents. ya know, the tournaments before u play for money

[leaden belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/bartlett-west-wing-head-desk-gif-6012433

me right now ^

[muted ore]

These tournaments have their own regulations (in the game) + rules of the game + in the tournaments "Professionals" and "Challengers" there is this item:
"The organizer can prohibit participation of team and/or player in this tournament based on violation(s) of previous tournaments regulation. Violation evaluation is held by the Organizer. Organizer decision regarding team and/or player is final and can't be appealed"

There are no other rules.

[muted ore]

The rules will be published before the start of the Professionals and Challengers tournaments.

[leaden belfry]

Tbh, that sounds extremely vague and I can imagine people wanting to appeal it if it's not explained clearly beforehand... Does that mean that WG -has- taken action against the seeding abuse?

I can't check the in game rules yet, as the tournaments aren't visible in game yet

[muted ore]

No, as we reported earlier, the new system is not yet ready.

[leaden belfry]

I get that the new system isn't ready, but I don't see why WG can't forbid 1 battle 100% winrate accounts, or accounts that don't even have a tank needed to be able to participate in the tournament from actually participating in the tournament

[muted ore]

The regulations in the game will be like those of past seasons.

[leaden belfry]

this is why I was hoping that WG actually had a set of rules for the qualifications

to hear that WG has actually done absolutely nada with regards to the seeding abuse is, to say it politely, incredibly disappointing

even if wg hadn't been able to do anything about it in game, with a new seeding system or whatnot, it would have been incredibly easy to set limitations on registrations that would prevent this abuse

[tranquil gazelle]

Nah not rly what do you really expect from wg

[leaden belfry]

I expect more, tbh

and better

[upbeat iris]

Twister cup 2034 might have improved seeding, I’m optimistic at this rate..

How does I take 2 years to make a new system? Why is there no collaboration between some people that already have suggested decent ideas and the devs? Workloads can be split. Its obvious CW isn’t the priority, but working together with the community will only benefit the scene in the long run.

[forest matrix]

👏

[wet tide]

Congratulations, you played the whole cw-scene again....
The only thing for now you had to do was weigh wr, yet you didn’t decide to do so.....

[mild mortar]

RIP everyone who didnt reroll before the season started.

Feels bad for trusting WG. Dont worry at this rate new system will never be released so you can reroll before spring

[narrow meteor]

Ayo at least he confirmed we’re getting a new system 🔥🔥🔥, that’s good enough of news to satisfy me

[crisp shore]

I also expect more than just using the same old system because more and more teams are going to make use of the advantage with seeding and the PYS becomes a stage about which team(s) make(s) use of the seeding the best, in particular the 9th-16th placing teams are the most affected from this flawed system

[wet tide]

May I ask, why did you guys not decide to weigh the wr for the seeding and thus make 100wr accounts useless(unless you use 7 lol)?

[forest matrix]

Absolutely 9-16th is the spot where u will find the riggers that will always make the second days tournaments and even get a bye in this second day.
« True » challengers will most often have to play top 8 teams in 1/4 final and so not making it up to the second day. This scheme is in place since spring 2019 and nothing is changed. I know most here don’t rly care about challengers tournament but that’s real pity for some others

[tranquil seal]

What a meme 😂

[wet tide]

It’s not a meme I laugh at, I spent around 3 evenings per week preparing for this season, and then we have 4 tour days + trainings every week during the season, just for wg to not even care enough about our efforts to weigh wr so we are not punished as hard for the time being...

[forest matrix]

3 more 100% since last month to secure #1 seeding (and probably still finish like 30th lol)

[supple hearth]

🔥

[tranquil seal]

Well you can't really blame them, the system allows it. I can personally say I think they're straight up morons and misfits at spending money and time doing this kind of stuff but that would only be my opinion and nobody asked for it.
What I'm perplexed about is, once again, WG's attitude and apparent lack of interest in an unique competive game that they actually created.

[analog osprey]

Hi

[atomic tartan]

misfits? that's an odd insult to pair the first one. i'd change both before you get moderated

but anyway, WG are actually very interested, it's just that like always, WG are WG and they operate in ways that seem (and sometimes, actually are) nonsensical from our point of view. but the intent is always there

[wet tide]

Then please explain, what is ‘the intent’ in keeping the seeding like this, not even weighing it?

[tranquil seal]

idk i'm not a native speaker nor a particularly fluent one.

But yeah, whatever, who cares about the intent? It's the facts that matter, not words or ideas in this situation

[atomic tartan]

its Wargaming being Wargaming. they saw a "problem" with the original seeding system (idk what that issue is), removing weights was the remedy. so for them, going back to the original seeding system also means going back to the original problem, and that's probably why they didn't do it.

[green orchid]

Dragon i think the original problem here is U

[tranquil seal]

When was it changed first?

[atomic tartan]

i think late 2018 or early 2019. it just didn't gain traction until someone actually had an empty spot on their team and went for it.

also wdym who cares about the intent? if there was no intent we wouldn't be in this situation. how WG gets out of it has everything to do with intent. the only place where intent doesn't matter is for those that just want to continue endlessly whining about it. at least ideas and speculation are a nice break from the norm

[thorn shale]

Thanks for making less prove your skill tourneys 😋 But the tank for coins is quite meh, considering there was a ton of events to get it.

[supple hearth]

Wait, how many PYS are there this season?

[radiant kelp]

@muted ore professional blue camoflauge will be a summer season reward im guessing?

[supple hearth]

That would be stupid, because spring and autumn are big seasons. So I assume blue one will be coming in autumn

[pliant peak]

6

[radiant kelp]

And why are the cyber camos being degraded?

[supple hearth]

Tbf they do look like challenger camos

[jade hornet]

nofront xd lmaoooo

[sinful crest]

I’m thinking fall because fall season is the most important season. Clearly WG is trying to make those pro camos somewhat exclusive so I predict fall.

[radiant kelp]

Yuss

[supple hearth]

True challenger camo coming on NA any soon 👀 ?

[thorn shale]

pro blue and orange camos exclusive? XD

[vapid crypt]

“Exclusive”

[sinful crest]

yes they clearly don’t want more people to get it since it’s only being given out to top4 AND you only get one color

[thorn shale]

well they thing is both orange and blue camo were given to players like 10000 times before. this camo is certainly not exclusive

[sinful crest]

All camos matter.

[narrow meteor]

🙏🏻

[tranquil seal]

Amen

[tranquil seal]

I mean that having the intent is not enough. They need to act.
It's at least since spring 2020 that we are seeing 100%s.

[analog osprey]

#NoSuperLeague #OutGlazers

[green orchid]

#FenwaySportsGroup OUT #GiveUsOurSportBack

[limber lintel]

Prove Your ability to make use of an exploit that WG didn't fix after a whole season while it clearly messed up a lot of the Seeding

that's what **PYS ** stands for right?

The only thing I have to say that WG did edit for the better is not putting Season Coins and PYS on same day, gotta look at the little positives too guys

[thorn shale]

Can I know why Quebec got excluded this time? 2 years ago on Spectre team, I never saw this unless there was but what is the problem with QC at this point???. Define "local legal limitations".

[candid pike]

I'm very sad about this, maybe our GV team or I won't be on this tour😪

[thorn shale]

?

[green orchid]

GV is a Vietnamese team, who are also not eligible for monetary prizes according to the rulings

[green orchid]

if there's anyone in GV who doesn't live in Vietnam or Hong Kong i would suggest they take the prize money in full and redistribute it to the rest of the team but they would have to be hella trustworthy

[young shard]

i don't think that will happen

[green orchid]

yeh i can just see WG holding money from ineligible players and only giving anyone eligible in the team their part of the prize money lol. so if one player can receive $350 he will and the other 6 players get 0

[modest whale]

no they said they would split the money among the players who can receive it

[green orchid]

this is what WG did last time

[modest whale]

idk about last time, i think they said earlier in the channel today that they would split

[modest whale]

@green orchid

[green orchid]

@thorn shale ^

[thorn shale]

@green orchid thx

[frosty nexus]

@green orchid this time we've discussed this question one more time with our legals and implemented some changes and decided to make regulations more user-friendly. If some of players can not receive money prize we will distribute their part between other team members equally (but we will not give this part of money for the one only team member, for example team captain).

[vital obsidian]

@frosty nexus Will max 2 foreign player rule apply in pro/challenger. And will there be no rule of it in PYS? And how about limitations on changing clans in last minute.

[frosty nexus]

@vital obsidian all details will be available next week, okay? 🙂

[flat goblet]

😅

[frosty nexus]

But yes, we've also implemented changes to regulations about how long player should stay in the clan to receive prizes for Pro tourney and some other changes 🙂

[vital obsidian]

I meant players who switch clan in last minute to get into avatar team. (Not how long need stay in clan to get reward)

[frosty nexus]

@vital obsidian yes, we've included this point into regulations this time

[vital obsidian]

Very good. It would be very important you reveal now before PYS start when is deadline for changes. After how many PYS. This info is important to know for those who now plan to play only pys with no intention play in finals.

[versed field]

but theres not still any changes in seeding system?

[frosty nexus]

@versed field no, it hasn't ready yet 😦 I know how it feels. We will do the best to implement the new system before Autumn season

[wet tide]

So you don’t weigh the wr either?

[versed field]

problem is not wr itself, its that someone can lie the system with 100% accs. i mean it would be better imo if all prove your tournaments will be like round robin surely 3 enemies per night etc... but well nice to hear that it might changed for autnumn to fix that problem 🙂 (i dont rly know how it works with all things wg need to take care of kinda mathematics but this game esport wont get that big if this same thing running year to year any bigger its now)

[frosty nexus]

@versed field yeah, I know. We will think about changing regulations for Prove your skill tourneys for the next season. We will think what to do to solve the situation with 100% accs somehow. Probably there is any solution except WR system

[muted ore]

It is quite possible. We are not ready to discuss the summer season yet.

[wet tide]

Have you considered weighing the battles on the account? 100wrs will then be useless because they only contribute 1 win to the total amount (unless you have 7 of them), please reply .__ .

[latent olive]

@thorn shale @tranquil seal I think you misunderstand me a little. I am totally staying out of players attacking each other, which was the point I was making. As for other things, well behind the scenes we do pressure WG to consider changes to aspects of the tour scene that we feel are not healthy for the scene, in fact we submitted a large feedback doc following Winter Season raising many points and offering options . I have long argued that it is not the clans who are to blame if they exploit loopholes that WG do not close, it is solely WG's responsibility. I may have my own personal views on many issues that are not against the rules but to condemn the clans for exploiting those is, in my opinion, not correct. I long argue that trial by community is not the correct method but petitioning and pressuring the organisers is the correct way to go. To attack clans/players for using tactics that are legal but morally suspect is not going to change the system or even get the result desired. I have seen many attacks against clans/players that I find unjustified and it spirals out of control. Certain clans were accused of using emulators, subsequently found out not to be the case, but look where that led. Clans were attacked for offering 'bonuses' (I know I was on the receiving end) and now look where that has led! If there are breaches of the rules then yes I will call those out but where the rules are neither broken or ambiguous then I will only address those directly to WG and try to seek change. I will happily debate any issue, but not to the point whereby I call clans/players out unless rules are clearly broken.

[frosty nexus]

@wet tide yeah, the new system may include amount of battles weight

[wet tide]

So you are not weighing the battles for the seeding of this spring?
@winter swallow yet I won’t lol

[winter swallow]

Raising awareness and promoting organic, player-base (/stakeholder) driven compliance is a viable option though - provided it is done the right way. @wet tide it sounds like you need to add some 100% WR accounts to your roster, yes.

^ I am aware that is two conflicting positions in sentences back-to-back.

[thorn shale]

that would be superb 👏

Teams that have OG players who have played a lot of games and maintain super winrates should be weighted much heavier than a team of rerolls who want to game the system because their original accounts couldn't cut it

It would also incentivize rerolls to put more battles on their reroll accounts, which in turn would mean more playtime, which is always good for WG

[magic venture]

Professional tournaments could also be done for PCs and consoles

[winter swallow]

WoT PC and WoT Console games both have their separate tournament systems. Until I can play in a WoT PC tournament on my iPad, PC players shouldn't be allowed to use their PCs in a WoT Blitz tournament.

[latent olive]

The problem with 100% WR accounts isnt that straight forward, not as straight forward as we would think. If a player decides to re-roll and play only a few games in random and play the majority of their games in other game modes who are we to deny them the opportunity to play in a tour? Access to tours is meant to be inclusive and not exclusive and I would hate to go down a road whereby players are forced to play a game mode they may not particularly like, because then we are dictating how people should play the game which is never a good thing. Yes 100% WRs muck up the seeding, so WG needs to find a solution to ensure no-one is excluded and 100% WR have no overall effect, tricky but not impossible.

@winter swallow I am all for raising awareness via generalistic debate, not specific to a clan/player. I am all in favour of discussing why certain things, that arent against the rules but clearly give an advantage, should be closed down and what alternative options are potentially available to ensure this doesnt result in an unfair advantage the other way. What I am not in favour of is pointing fingers at clans/players for non rule violations that we may not like, thats just not fair. Its not the clans fault they exploit, its WG's fault for not shutting down the loopholes

@magic venture I agree with @winter swallow - until tours on the other platforms are available to touch players then PC players shoudl remain excluded

[thorn shale]

💯

[thorn shale]

That's why battle counts should have weight and be factored into the seeding system

I don't know how they would break down the percentage, BUT team A that has 8 exactly identical accounts to team B, with the only difference being that team A has a 100% account and 5 battles while team B has a 68% account with 45k, team B should be seeder higher

[magic venture]

Why WoTB doesn't do 2 different tournaments, one for touch only and one for PC only

[latent olive]

@winter swallow Thing is, and you know this, we have attempted to provided tools for the community, especially the tour scene, to have input on what aspects of the overall tour scene they would wish to have changed. We attempted to set up a server dedicated to this, that came to nothing. I personally hold a 'coffee chat stream' every Saturday in vain hope that clans/tour players will jump in and raise issues that we can then debate and find viable solutions, that as a CC I can put forward. I have created a dedicated CC channel on my personal discord for things to be raised and discussed, but alas there isnt really much overall interest in actually trying to make a change as such aside from moaning. And no its not about increasing my YT channel exposure, its never been about that, its always been about using my official CC status for what it is actually meant to be used for! Ironically there are 3 official CC's actively involved in the tour scene, so why not use them effectively?

@thorn shale I don't disagree with you there and maybe one day we will get to a stage whereby actual clans get seeding based on their performance instead of the players in the team. Maybe that would stabilise the clans on certain servers and also expand the overall scene to more clans who dont need to recruit all the best of the best in order to break into CW and thus give a more competitive CW scene overall.

[half urchin]

nice... again loca and other top8 teams meet in quaterfinals 🥳

[wet tide]

Lovelyyyyyy

[limber lintel]

I mean i dont get what is so hard about making the new system, is it thinking of what system to use instead of, or is it a struggle with implementing it?

[winter swallow]

I would hazard a guess that it is implementation, which is the issue. Every competent developer under the sun knows how an ELO system works. WG has 5+ years of tournament data on file for each and every single account. It is very simple to develop an algorithm for seeding players (and therefore, teams) based on tournament data.

A core issue in the current system, which few people address, is that we are seeding one game mode with the results of another. Specifically, we are seeding tournament battles based off random battle performances. There is an inherent flaw in that approach. That flaw manifests itself in the numerous way articulated above - for example, WR "fixing" (100% accounts) and, as @latent olive pointed out, being exclusionary to players which enjoy certain game modes.

We have more tournaments, tournament battles and tournament data than ever before. It spans a 5+ year period. This is the place to look for solutions to fix the seeding system.

Aaand - just to remind everyone - no one benefits from the worst team playing the best team in round 1 of every major tournament. It wastes top tier players' time and kills off any interest newbies might have in joining the tournament scene. If you use tournament ELO data you can stratify matches so that top teams only come in at a certain point in a qualifying series... but given how we can't even get the seeding system right maybe this a problem for a few years down the line...

[thorn shale]

WG just put alpha pred containers with guaranteed tier X if u pull a tank on 45% discount in shop. This is going full on clown mode rn

@green orchid win 1 game, spend 15k and get a tier X, ruin seedings

[green orchid]

what does this have to do with tournaments? off topic

[supple hearth]

Lmao

[limber lintel]

Ik I suggested something simple as number of cups on number of PYS played, so a performance ratio, WG keeps track of cups, they stay in ur storage even, so they know how many cups you got, and they also know ur tournament history cus it's also on your account,

also important it should only look back 1 or 2 seasons

and I also know implementing should be easy, it would be sad if they couldn't write a formula while pulling data from their own API

And another idea I suggested was a gold silver and bronze leagues that require tickets to enter that you get from playing the lower league and finishing at a certain point there, but WG never responded to me, which I don't think shows a real interest from WG, especially when in over one whole month NOTHING CHANGED, in fact a month BEFORE the tournament, they already said they wouldn't manage, really?

I think it might be a lack of interest from WG, tbh, not as an offense but it does come over like that to me at least, idk what the rest of community feels

[forest matrix]

I think we all agree that WG has all what they need to make proper seeding (data and competences). Even if this delay could be the sign that they are working on a fundamental improvement like elo, a little step such as battle-weighted would have solving a large part of the problem.

[wet tide]

@frosty nexus there will not be any weighing of winrates this season?

[frosty nexus]

@wet tide no changes in the WR formula this season, sorry. We will do the best to implement it before Autumn season

[wet tide]

Why have you decided to keep us suffering under these 100 winrate accounts and not just decided to weigh the winrate until you come with a better seeding? I can’t understand, please explain why you kept it one more season like this instead of 1 minor change which could help a lot for the time being..

[ember marlin]

As long as the new system is done by summer so we can play test it before twister that would be ok

[supple hearth]

Do you guys even read what others are asking. It was already said like 10 times that no, there’s no new WR system. Stop asking the same dam question.

[radiant kelp]

^^

[wet tide]

I am trying to get an explanation why...

[pastel tartan]

what would you prefer, a half assed system that might screw an entire season or a fully thought through and worked on that has a way higher chance of not being scuffed

[wet tide]

I would prefer a simple solution (weighing the winrate), to disable this 100wr rigging until the ‘fully thought through and worked on that has a way higher chance of not being scuffed’ system is ready, because that needs time. Leaving the scene play with this current seeding for another season is just horrible, just weighing wr for this season would have been enough temporarily, whilst in the mean time they come up with a seeding which is not based on random battle stats... That is what I prefer...
Compare it to using a towel to stop the bleeding of your wound whilst you drive to the hospital to get it stitched
Leaving it to bleed till you get there doesn’t really help, does it?

[crisp shore]

I would rather have a new temporary system that at least addresses the issue, doesn't matter if it breaks the seeding as long as the issue with the current seeding system is addressed. It is even better when we can know whether the new system works or not.

[supple hearth]

What kind of explanation you need. New system is not ready. What else needs to be explained here.

[wet tide]

@supple hearth idk man maybe asked it here...
I can’t find any logic in this decision, so I ask the devs to enlighten me, why not just weigh the wr for the time being till you come with something better? All it could do was help for now

[narrow meteor]

Poggers

[supple hearth]

WG won’t listen to randoms @wet tide

[wet tide]

‘To randoms’
So everyone here who suggested to weigh the wr for the time being is ‘a random’
And if WG don’t listen what is even the point of this whole discord server, just to keep everyone talking without doing anything with the suggestions people give?

[supple hearth]

Yep, exactly what u said

[winter swallow]

Thanks for confirming - fingers crossed you guys manage it before Autumn o7

[frank bobcat]

Thank god. I pray for Autumn season

[torn glen]

lmao

[latent olive]

on a different train of thought, are we really saying that because of 100% WR accounts what we have seen over the last few seasons are teams in the top 8 that never deserved to be there? Are we really saying that? Are we saying that there are teams, and it must be more than one, that went into the top 8 not on merit but on other factors and thus other teams were effectively penalised despite being top 8 material and performing? if so then lets call a spade a spade and say with all honesty what teams didnt deserve to be there and what teams were denied top 8 places due to this. I ask because from where I sit the top 8's and certainly the Top 4's at the very least were what was expected in most cases and to say other wise is a disservice to those clans who actually made it. At the end of the day, 100% wr accounts or not, teams have to perform and whilst the seeding may mean named teams face other named teams early on they still have to perform regardless. Not saying its a perfect or ideal system, I just really want to know what we are really saying here

[wet tide]

Yes you are right, good teams in top8 will make it through nonetheless. But I’m talking about the unfairness it brings to teams that have to get to top8 the fair way whilst others just rig into top8 (even though they would get there anyways), and the top16, where the rigging effects the scoreboard big time.

[atomic tartan]

conclusions: fairness is subjective, and clearly people won't agree what that is unless the rules force them to. so until that happens, get off the moral high grounds and get those 100% accounts made

[latent olive]

In part I kind of agree with @atomic tartan if the truth be known. The ability to use 100% wr accounts is available to all clans to exploit, if they choose to. I know that sounds flippant, but the fact remains that we all sit here pointing fingers and using terms like manipulation, rigging & cheating. If that is truly the case then either the minority of the clans who do have 100% wr accounts are true genius and the rest kinda stupid or it doesnt really make the massive impact that we feel it does. I know that the winner of EU Winter season didnt use such accounts, neither did 2nd, 3rd or even 4th place in fact I dont think any of the actual top 8 had 100% wr accounts that gave them a distinct advantage. Yes we may all cry foul over the PYS, but that was like a month long and consisted of 16 actual tours (8 group and 8 final stage). Such a length surely allows clans to adapt and improvise? @wet tide mate I am not trying to sound flippant or anything, but in top sports the fair way is too do whatever you can to win without breaking the rules is it not? 100% wr accounts are not against the rules, so how can we say its unfair?

[wet tide]

Ok, let me rephrase: immoral
@atomic tartan Do not judge me for what the past teamleaders have done, I didn’t agree with their use of 100s. About the team situation, I already experienced that, and my team was proud to not be like those ‘imma not use the word here’ teams

[atomic tartan]

i hope your morals are a comfort to you when your team gets knocked out because another team exactly your level used 100% accounts and you could've but didn't

hold on a second, in your specific case the above won't stand since you used them too lol
but the point remains, if you're not using an advantage available to you and you lose because someone else did, then enjoy your moral high ground for whatever you think it's worth

[grim shadow]

If everyone does it, doesn’t that give no advantage to anyone?

[jade hornet]

obviously. but not everyone does

[fathom tiger]

what if power rating was the stat that would decide the 8 teams advancing to professionals? 🤔

[latent olive]

@wet tide that is different and open to interpretation, some find it immoral others fair game. I am not saying it is moral to use such tactics to gain an advantage, but at the same time I cannot condemn any clan for using such a tactic, well not until the rules are changed. I have argued for the WR seeding to be looked into and for changes to be made so that 100% wr accounts, that are clearly intended to boost a clans seeding, should be somehow discredited. Until we actually do have a kind of level playing field to be fair, whereby no clan is prevented from doing such tactics and most of the real competitive clans only use players who can play at this level anyway, regardless. I dont see clans rushing to get 100% wr players who cant play tbf and maybe the easiest way around the whole thing is to get clans to submit their main 7 players like 2 hours before kick off rather than 1 hour and then do the draw based on that. That would then prevent clans from using 100% wr accounts from players who dont actually play because it then give no advantage at all. If they then submit players with 100% wr account who dont then play, regardless, then they lose x amount of cups or something. That will then discourage clans from using fake players to boost seeding would it not?

@fathom tiger Im a complete nab, so you will need to explain that one lol

[wet tide]

Yes, or we could just weigh the amount of battles and the 100wrs will be useless anyways (unless the team uses 7 lol)
@jade hornet kekw
@atomic tartan I was leading the 2nd team the whole last winter, so no ‘leave if u don’t want to be a part’

[jade hornet]

just look at s-4-w now.... 6x 100%
@wet tide xdd

[atomic tartan]

you win as a team. you lose as a team. you do immoral things (your definition) as a team. you don't want to be judged for associating with the latter? leave and don't be a part of it.

then again, public disassociation is a good way to get yourself kicked. god forbid you're an officer for the example you're setting

[latent olive]

@wet tide yes and no, to some extent. Players who decide to re-roll shouldnt be penalised from not taking part in CW and clans shouldnt be granted an advantage because they get players with more experience. I am all for inclusive rather than exclusive. Thing is prior to other game modes, such as Ratings, Random was really the only way to gauge anything, Now that is not the case and I know of a lot of players who now avoid randoms because they feel the overall gameplay has degenerated to such an extent its no longer about skill but luck of the MM draw. I get that and dont want to see actions taken that would then force people to play a game mode they dont wish to. With that however comes odd WR's, not just 100% ofc. There is therefore a balancing act here, to maintain a tour scene open to all and to grant a level and fair playing field. However, its the last part that creates issues and not just with 100% wr. What about lack of crew skills, lack of certain tanks (T22 etc?) that some newer clans may lack or newer players lack? In the PYS I dont see this as any great issue as the whole idea is to work your way to getting those cups to get into that pro tour and as such clans are free to do whatever they can in order to get there as long as its within the rules. As for the pro tour, I have long argued that pro tours should either be tech tree only, which then prevents WG from having the top players showcase the shiny prems or give all teams press accounts so everyone has the same skills, tanks and such.

[crisp shore]

Rather than pointing fingers at one another about who deserves to speak about seeding issue due to 100% win rate accounts and rather than recommending other people who complain to use 100% win rate accounts or phantom teams or rerolls etc., let's direct the grievances to Wargaming instead. In the last few seasons we don't see blatantly undeserving teams in the top 8, but that doesn't mean the seeding system does not need immediate changes. I don't want to go back to specific examples again but we need to send a clear message to Wargaming that seeding system is never meant to be used for manipulation, especially the current one is very easy to manipulate, e.g. creating a new account and buying premium tier 10 tanks.

[daring swan]

World of tanks blitz sucks. Y’all will realize at one point

[narrow meteor]

Not poggers

[fast hare]

_Commie#6969 has been warned.

[surreal hinge]

Honestly, I don't understand why people still get so triggered about 100wr accounts. Wargaming has already said that they are fixing it, so there's no need to complain anymore. Imo, we're wasting time arguing about it when WG, the people who we wanted to listen, are finally listening and replacing the system.

[leaden belfry]

They said that they are fixing it - and have since proceeded not to fix it for several seasons now

[latent olive]

but what is wrong with someone creating a new account and buying a tier x prem? nothing at all and as long as that player actually plays who are we to say other wise? Fact is WG are looking at changing the system, so let them change it. Until then all anyone can do is play to the best of their abilities and do their best to get into the Top 8 or Top 16. There is no point continuously bemoaning something that WG have said they are addressing. If clans still feel strongly about 100% wr accounts and feel slighted or something, then all they can do is take the moral high ground and say we did all we could using tactics we considered morally correct but we were unable to make it due to tactics we feel are immoral. However, when and if 100% wr accounts are finally discredited by WG, clans will have to stand on their own 2 feet without being able to bemoan this area

[leaden belfry]

It's easy to add rules to the tournament even if you can't implement a new system in game yet, but they've not done that either

There's plenty of strong clans out there, but I do feel that stronger clans have been knocked out earlier in multiple seasons now, due to this 100% winrate account abuse, because they get pitted against other top 8 clans way earlier

[narrow meteor]

All this talks means nothing because FSX is going to get first anyways

[surreal hinge]

Nah Chip, you are completely forgetting about fl-th, it's gonna be a great fight between the two

@supple hearth bro you are completely right, droodles is gonna field a great team/j

[supple hearth]

Nah, you are forgetting about MYSTC, can’t wait to see their performance

no doubts @surreal hinge

[crisp shore]

Maybe some of the grievances here have not been sending out a clear message, but to me some of us are not happy that we are sticking with the status quo. We have been told a newly designed seeding system is going to be implemented for seasons now and that is good for Wargaming to do so but so far that has not been fulfilled. We all know the glaring disadvantages with the current seeding and I agree with Amaunet that if we cannot fix the seeding in the short term, we can temporarily patch the loopholes with new rules, or trial and assess a new seeding system. The latter can even be a good thing for Wargaming to devise an even better seeding in the future, referencing the objective results from temporary seeding. I think this is what some of us want to see in this season.

Yes some of the actions that might have a huge impact on the current seeding method is not inherently done to "rig" the seeding but once again the problem is with the seeding method that it is too easily manipulable to the point that you can "unknowingly" give your team an advantage. A seeding system should never be easily manipulable and we need to address this. Right now I think the attention has been on "you should have done this instead" rather than "the system is broken", and I don't think that should be the direction we should be heading for this discussion with regards to win rate seeding.

[maiden anvil]

I like tournaments

[daring swan]

I like you

[solid pine]

Exactly what u should do. For example my old team took part in using 100% accounts. As a result, I left because I didn’t agree with it. Think for yourself rather than complaining about it and still being a part of it @wet tide

[supple hearth]

I’m proud of u MJ

[odd wolf]

Hi yaro

[mild mortar]

Yes there are teams that have made top 8 because of seeding advantages. I dont want to name any names because I dont want to get harassed in this channel again but over the past few seasons I have seen some teams in top 8 which definitely benefited from 100wr accounts.

This isnt to say that they didnt belong in top 8, you could tell they knew what they were doing, you can have as many 100 wr accounts as you want and you wont make top 8 without the skill.

With that being said, the last few seasons the difference between the lower end of the top 8 and the upper end of the top 16 has almost just been the seeding they got imo. Obv it still takes skill and you have to win all your games but from where I see it, 100wr accounts have boosted teams from top 10 to top 8. Not blaming them, you would be stupid not to use 100wr accounts if you had access to them but I dont want to pretend it hasnt made a difference either. Maybe in top 8 it hasnt been that big of a deal as the top 5/6 are 100% there on merrit and # 7/8 are merrit and some advantages from wr seeding but in top 16 weve seen in past that it has made all the difference.

Anyways is what it is, hopefully WG does something soon, btw I quoted the wrong message sorry

[latent olive]

@mild mortar I dont disagree with you, hence why the system needs to be changed, I never advocated anything other than that. I am not arguing that 100% wr's are a good thing but presently they are used so adopt, improvise and overcome until WG wakes up and finally sorts it out!

[sinful crest]

I’m sorry you were a victim in the exploitation of the 100% WR accounts, I’m glad you’re in a better place now.

[solid pine]

yes unfortunately i am now with Assassin from JKR who is abusive

[next trellis]

Fix the 100% wr account seeding problem for spring season ❌
Make Coin tournaments and PYS tournaments be held at the same time ✅

[supple hearth]

Agreed, we are in the same bowl

[thorn shale]

Why can’t there be an additional rule to spring season. Such as minimum battles requirement or something along those lines?

[wet tide]

Consider the whole situation before you make conclusions please, what do you know about my situation back then?
Edit: and I already know that, thanks

[solid pine]

I think your missing the point. I do not care, i am just telling you what you can do in that situation

[slim blade]

seems awfully like “git gud lmao”

[toxic trench]

Some clan to play the challenger tourney? I want to be in one

[ember marlin]

Bit late

[limber lintel]

does before autumn mean, implement for summer, or do you mean after summer and only when autumn comes

[thorn shale]

If the account was created in the the UNITED STATES, if I moved from USA to canada and if I play comp or top tourneys will it violate a rule or anything? NA server. I wanted to know because if so is it possible to change such information in the wargaming website for that? I don't want it be accused of account sharing because X person moved from one country to another.

[narrow meteor]

You will die

[forest matrix]

@latent olive mate let’s just see this issue as a software problem. Cause it is one. Just one out of the thousands WG are fixing every year but for some reason they are not fixing this one since years now.

Seeding function is coded by WG with the objective to rank the teams according to their CW skills. And this function is not delivering well : that’s all.
It does not prevent tournaments to happen and to deliver fair results at very top spots you are right - but it’s not all about the top spots and even these spots are questioned due to this (I remember W1N missing one pro tourney, bps last year and many others in the past not achieving what they deserved)

We believe that a simple patch could be proposed - not fixing everything but at least the most stupid and obvious part (the 100%). Then maybe later a more fundamental upgrade with possibly elo or whatever CW data based function design. And, I don’t understand why it is not done this way : quick fix to stop the bleeding then a real repair

[mild river]

😭

[odd basalt]

fax

[worthy island]

Wait why does the schedule say 26-27... does prove ur skill last for 2 day?

[narrow meteor]

day 1 and day 2

[sinful crest]

1st day is group stage 2nd day is final stage @worthy island

[severe nest]

Dude you don’t need to spam it in multiple unrelated channels

[frosty nexus]

@limber lintel when Autumn season comes (if the fix will be ready till that time)

[limber lintel]

this is a joke, or not?
if it only comes for autumn, it's very pathetic tbh, that's over 6 months for this new seeding

[frosty nexus]

@limber lintel ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[thorn shale]

😂💀

[leaden belfry]

If you move, your device will be consistently used in the new location, ergo it makes sense that you've moved. Account sharing is mainly a thing if you are in the USA one day and suddenly in Brazil an hour later only to return to the USA 2 hours after that, to give an extreme example. So, no, moving to Canada won't get you banned for account sharing

[leaden belfry]

*1 year, if the fix doesn't come by autumn season...

I still fail to understand why, if wg knows the seeding system won't be ready, there haven't been any rules put in place to negate the seeding abuse as much as possible

[limber lintel]

no I mean if it hits when autumn comes it's in place after 6 months, cus they said goal was spring, the actual time that seeding was a well known issue is over a month, I'm looking at when it was promised, the new seeding but yeah, if you look at when the issues were showing up, it will be over a year

and the shrug you put in the message comes over as showing very little interest @frosty nexus, no offense

[frosty nexus]

@limber lintel to develop and integrate something new to the game it is not such easy as you may think.

[latent olive]

I have reached out to the RU clans on this very issue and it seems the the entire community is actually upset over the fact that attempts to resolve the 100% wr seeding hasnt been done as yet. I understand that things can be tricky and take time, but when the entire tour community, across all servers, are demanding this issue to be resolved then it needs to be resolved sooner rather than later or at least some steps taken to minimise the overall impact of 100% wr accounts until the revised system is firmly in place.
I dont think anyone expects WG to find the perfect answer immediately, but it is clear from my own research that the tour scene expects something, anything, that would at least address the issue, even if it is limiting teams to one 100% wr account or something. Its good that WG is looking at a new system, but please listen to the community as a whole and look at other options until the system is ready.

[limber lintel]

talk to your community, there is definitely people here with a statistics background and with good ideas, but when they send in ideas, there is no real response from WG

And if you are struggling to integrate it, it's literally taking game data from the API (which WG should know their way around, since it's WGs API) and putting the required data into the formula you came up with

Unless you decide to change the whole system, where it's not groups of 16 where top 4 advance to 2nd day and so forth system, ... there is almost no excuse as to why it would be that hard to implement

edit: I really really really want to point out that you really should talk to your community, like it gives you more ideas to pool from, and they can give constructive criticism

[leaden belfry]

we all understand that it's not an easy flip of a switch somewhere and that it takes time to build and implement properly. But I think I can also safely say that we -don't- understand that there's no action from WG's side at all, with regards to the 100% accounts that can't even participate in the tournament they're joining. As said multiple times, there's very easy fixes for that, because there's a lot of it that you can work into the rules to prevent the seeding abuse, without having to adjust the seeding system yet. And I think there's a lot of disappointment all around that Wargaming has not only not finished the new seeding system yet, but mainly the fact that Wargaming is doing nothing at all against the seeding abuse for this season either

not only that, but that this is also only communicated a few days before the whole show is to begin

There's been a lot of calling for clearer and earlier communication. While it's appreciated that the season length was announced early, the communication is still very much lacking. We can all guess when the season happens, as that never changes much. What we're asking for when we ask for early information is actual dates, format, etc. General period is helpful, but if tourney days are suddenly different in a season, that's stuff people like to know because they have to adjust their real life things to incorporate that. And the main thing we'd like to know early is rules.
I don't see why, if you already knew there's no rules for the qualifications yet again, why you can't just say that weeks in advance, because then we'd all know that the issues we've addressed with the seeding system won't be fixed or addressed in any way then, and then players can decide whether or not they want to try to fight their way through the seeding abuse or just not bother at all

this season, I think it's safe to say everyone, except maybe the ones that relied on said seeding abuse to get anywhere, were hopeful that things would be different and the playing field would be a lot fairer. People get hyped for tournament seasons, have been training hard and working on tactics and everything. To then learn, a few days before it starts, that it's going to be just as bad, or even worse if you don't decide to join in on the seeding abuse, as before, it just sucks the joy right out of it

[limber lintel]

+1

[frosty nexus]

@leaden belfry

1. We know about the problem and we will fix it with a new formula for tournament team. At least, as we previously said we need much time to create the new formula and implement it to the game. We haven't promised to make it until Spring Season, we said that we're working on it and that's true. If everything will be fine then we will implement changes before Autumn Season but I would not promise something because I'm not sure that we are fine in time to make it quickly.
2. There is NO any solution for the situation by regulations of tournaments. Any. Until it's not forbidden basing on the game client and server we can't solve it somehow and forbid 100% accs to register.
3. About the communication: the all season structure is announced on the portal already. The dates of the season and some details we announced at March. The announcement of Professional and Challengers tournaments is planned for the next week as we previously said (the month before the tournaments starts). What's finally wrong with communication?

Don't think that to make something new, to implement something into the game is so easy to do. Besides the tournaments our development team is engaged into process of creating many other things which are necessary for the game development.

We know the problem. We will fix the problem when the time comes.
Aggressive sabotage and threats will not help in anything and this is not the best way to communicate with us and resolve issues.

[leaden belfry]

Where am I aggressively sabotaging or threatening anything? 🤔

to me, what's wrong with communication is the timing of when things are shared. Almost all the details are known well before a tournament - for instance, the rule topic that's eventually made public on the forum usually has a post-date of about a month prior and hasn't been touched since. We often ask for the rules so we don't get blindsided by them - like last year with the accounts from players that should be in other regions. I'm grateful WG went back on that, not saying it's an issue now, I'm just using it as an example of why it'd be nice to have such details much earlier

I don't think anyone is saying that WG promised to have the new seeding system done in X amount of time. We -are- saying that we were hopeful, as WG was too, that it could be implemented at Spring, and that we're disappointed that that's not the case. That's all.

[frosty nexus]

@leaden belfry information about what kind of tournaments do you need?

@leaden belfry besides hopes, there is reality. And in it, everything does not always happen as quickly as we would like.

[leaden belfry]

I'm only talking about the bigger seasons. If WG knows the details (exact dates, formats, rules, etc) and they're final, why can't they be shared with us sooner so we can take it all into account and adjust plans where needed?

[frosty nexus]

@leaden belfry No, I disagree. Please answer now what kind of information about current season tournaments do you need?

[leaden belfry]

and personally, I don't understand why there's no solution for the situatiopn by regulations of tournaments - imo you could catch most of the 100% accounts already if there's a slight minimum of battles needed (1k regular battles or something like that), and at least a tank in the tier where the tournament is - in this case tier X. Even if you can't put that in game yet, people could watch for it and report violations of it if need be

[leaden belfry]

exact dates of the tournaments are in the news as of two days ago. What I'm asking is why things like that can't be shared sooner, if the dates are already final

[frosty nexus]

@leaden belfry once again, concretely, what kind of information and when do we need to publish?

[frosty nexus]

there is no technical opportunity to make this and it also takes development (and time for this). Do you suggest us to make it manually for 4 regions for the each team 24/7?

[leaden belfry]

If the tournament series starts April 26th, it would be nice to have all information (dates, prize pool, format, maps, etc) up on April 12th - at least two weeks prior to the start of the season. To all of us, Challengers and Professionals are a part of Spring Season, and not an independent tournament. What happens in PYS directly influences Prof and Chal. Knowing rules and such early would be very helpful to the teams participating

[thorn shale]

Wg do be sleeping instead of making new system 😴😴

[leaden belfry]

no, I'm not asking you to implement a new system instantly, that's unrealistic. I'm saying that if WG added it to the rules, people could watch for it. If the rules state an account has to have 1k regular battles, it's easy for the community to check the teams they're up against and report violations

it's not an ideal solution either, but imo it's a better one than doing nothing

[frosty nexus]

@leaden belfry the dates of Pro and Challenger tournaments were published in the Discord at Match 10th. The prize fund has been announced with a season. The regulations we will publish next week. Okay, how many months before the season you would like to receive personally all the information about tournaments? 3, 6, 12? 🙂

[leaden belfry]

I don't appreciate you ridiculing me, Daria

you may disagree with me, but I've been perfectly respectful in discussing this with you and raising my concerns

[frosty nexus]

okay, do you suggest our team (contains from 2 people) to check every team at every region 24/7 for 100% accs right after the implementing the rule that 100 accs are forbidden? Because we have to do this if we will implement this rule. Do you think it's fine, really? 🙂

[leaden belfry]

no, you're not reading what I'm saying. I'm saying the community can do that

and that way, WG would only have to deal with the violations that are reported

[wet tide]

Or you just weigh the winrate and they only contribute 1 battle lol
@leaden belfry it’s only a tiny change to add on this garbage that we have now, like I said earlier, to stop/slow down the bleeding till you arrive at the hospital

[leaden belfry]

that would be a new system, and we know that that's not happening yet

[frosty nexus]

@leaden belfry community can't. Because it is not the opportunity of community. They have not to make this.

[limber lintel]

that calculation is literally the one shown in-game on the team list, the average on top, so idk if it would be too hard

[leaden belfry]

that 'tiny change' would involve a lot of coding. So I get WG not doing that right now. So I'm trying to look at other possibly solutions

[leaden belfry]

sorry to hear that, because I think that for this specific season, it'd be a good compromise to avoid (most of) the seeding abuse

the community helping wg with this would only be until the new system is actually implemented

which, hopefully, will be the season after this one

[latent olive]

@frosty nexus I dont think anyone expects that WG should do such things manually and I dont think anyone actually doubts WG's intention to address the situation long term. There is disappointment in the tour community however because they have to wait for x amount of further seasons for this to be addressed and that is understandable tbf and unfortunately, as you are WG, you get most of the flak

[frosty nexus]

@leaden belfry this is not the job of community to make this. And this will not cover 100% of situations. Manually we have no resources to make this.

[leaden belfry]

oki

again, sorry to hear that

then basically the only solution people have is to downgrade on their reserve players and abuse the seeding system as well

which, imo, is incredibly sad, but that'd at least even the playing field in another way then... 😬

[frosty nexus]

@latent olive I understand it and personally I would like to implement changes as soon as possible. But everything isn't depends on my wish.

@leaden belfry finally, 100 accs are not help to win the tournament. OK, I can create the team with 100 accs and be defeated by the most strongest teams =/

[leaden belfry]

that is true, but the issue right now is that because of those 100%, some teams that aren't that strong, get much easier MM in the PYS tournaments

meaning that actual top 8 worthy teams meet each other way sooner because their MM in PYS is a lot more difficult

[wet tide]

Pretty sad to see the team WG has for cw contains of 2 people...
@frosty nexus That message to amaunet showed you do not understand the problem, because of these high wr teams not being skilled they fight 40wr teams firsr, meaning the chances of top16 teams knocking eachother earlier denying cups
If only you knew how much those accounts punish the top16 teams...

[frosty nexus]

@leaden belfry easier isn't equal the victory

[slender harness]

easier = higher standing vs top tier teams

[leaden belfry]

no it doesn't equal victory, but when it's cups that count, it means a lot if you don't meet EG or AQVA, early on, repeatedly, because you've been put in the same branch as them because another team used one or more 100% accounts

[latent olive]

@frosty nexus I totally understand that and it is great that you have stated that so that everyone now knows the situation, that goes a long way in healing the discontent felt. People now understand the resources are limited, that WG wants it changed, that it is taking longer than expected and that WG are taking the overall situation seriously - we may still be disappointed, but at least we are now more aware of the situation

[frosty nexus]

I suggest to wait the new tournament formula and have a look will the situation in the leaderboard change somehow after it or not. I suppose that would be the best prove were the 100% accs such a problem or not.

@latent olive thank you for your understanding ❤️

[leaden belfry]

last season, a number of really good teams were knocked out this way because they couldn't get into the top 8 of the second day PYS because they kept getting matched against way stronger teams early, whereas others breezed through because of that winrate seeding abuse

[mild mortar]

Can we not just have weighted 30 day wr where each player has to play min 100 battles in last 30 days to qualify.

Simple to do, removes need for rerolls

[leaden belfry]

I do feel that right now, teams will have no choice but to join in with the seeding abuse

[frosty nexus]

@gusty jacinth what? o_0

[leaden belfry]

before, they didn't need to. That's part of what makes them so ridiculous

[leaden belfry]

what he's referring to are the 1 battle 100% winrate accounts that do not have a tier X tank or anything even near it, that could register with the teams

[limber lintel]

yep I feel so too, and tbh, might as well go to random seeding, cus there is literally no more relevance, like everyone is using 100%s and trying to abuse, it just means it's random, so what even is the point

[leaden belfry]

that's how the whole winrate abuse started

[frosty nexus]

@leaden belfry we can discuss it until eternity but for a now I see no solution, sorry.

[leaden belfry]

I know, I'm just venting my frustration a little 😅

[versed field]

I remember 1year ago we were told by rekty that seeding system takes all battles in it. And 100% dont affect on seeding. Guys we have come far.

[leaden belfry]

I do appreciate you taking the time to talk all of this over with us, in a place that others can see too

it doesn't make it less frustrating, but it does help to talk over things we see as options and getting an explanation as to why it's not an option for WG

[wet tide]

Which makes it even more depressing
How is the community supposed to expect any changes to serve it’s need when only 2 people are put to work on it?

[leaden belfry]

well, tbf, and I've been saying this a lot too - tournaments only cater to a very small part of the Blitz community. A very vocal part, but a very small part

it isn't what the game caters to

so I don't think we can ever expect great esports things when it comes to Blitz, in comparison to other games

but I can and will hope for better and fairer

[crisp shore]

With regards to information disclosed before Spring Season, I think the exact dates should be published at least 2 weeks prior. I know the time period was mentioned back in March 10th but it was a time period not exact dates and you cannot expect every participant to be free on all the days within the time period, in particular we have different days of the week this time compared to the Winter Season.

Last year's Autumn Season, exact dates of the PYS tournament were not disclosed a few days before the season started, but a few weeks prior. I do not see why such information could not be disclosed a few weeks earlier. The most devoted teams would observe and remember these dates and such early announcement of exact dates had not caused an issue whereby teams forgot to show up, as seen in numerous community tournaments.

The exact dates of 2020 Autumn Season was shared on August 19th, approximately 2 weeks before the 1st day of PYS, even the exact dates of Blitz Cup Preliminaries were announced in that announcement too.

[frosty nexus]

@crisp shore got it. The only bad thing about early announces - people can forget about it because it's published too far from the start

[leaden belfry]

True, but it's also much easier to just look it up

Same with the map pool and such. I doubt anyone remembers it all from the get go

[crisp shore]

There were no issues with teams failing to show up because they could not remember information posted 2 weeks ago during 2020 Autumn Season. In fact, a lot of clans were grateful such information was shared at an early time.

[frosty nexus]

@leaden belfry okay, I've marked it.

[vital obsidian]

Is summer season X or 8

[frosty nexus]

@vital obsidian X

[leaden belfry]

Thank you ❤️

[limber lintel]

but like seriously, talk to the community, people really want to help and invest time into aiding the process of creating a robust seeding system, because of the multiple viewpoints it would also help expose any loopholes

[frosty nexus]

@limber lintel we're always open for the constructive suggestions and open communication with community.

[limber lintel]

can you then share what you already have, to know the direction you are heading in, I'd like to see

[frosty nexus]

@limber lintel are you talking about..?
If you're talking about the new formula then I aware that it's to early to share detail. Imagine that now I share it with you and later we will decide to change it. It will look unfair from our side. That's why I'm very careful sharing the info.

[limber lintel]

what will happen if you share it, we are not able to do anything with it, except give feedback and we don't care that much if it might change, of course it will change, that's why we want to see the progress, and want to help with ideas and finding the loopholes so they can't be used

it won't look unfair, because as long as you say the seeding is work in progress, there is no way people could take it to heart, in fact probably seeing it change will be inevitable since new loopholes will be found, new small ideas will be given

sharing it as an open discussion where feedback can be given won't have a negative effect, people would love a bit of transparancy and insight and be able to see and help and to have an engaging discussion, trust me, people won't feel offended if you decide to make edits to it

[crisp shore]

Just curious, will the Summer Season be held from July to August, and Autumn Season from October to November?

[frosty nexus]

@crisp shore Summer season will be during July. About Autumn we are still not sure

@limber lintel anyway, it's really too early to discuss it.

@limber lintel the only thing I can say now that the new formula will check winrate for the each tier and tier of the tournament and amount of battles on the each tier

[limber lintel]

I disagree, why would it be, right now is a good time for WG to gather all ideas they can get, it gives you a list of directions to work towards, of which the community and WG can discuss and go over the individual ideas, the earlier there is full out conversation the better/earlier the seeding will be (implemented)

edit:
and if you don't want these new ideas, because you already have a direction you are working towards, that's when people should be giving the feedback on how more specifically WG will do it, if you decide to talk to the community asap about more specifically what you are thinking of, the faster it can be implemented, I say putting it in for summer should be possible, with the community feedback and if implementing takes a while, then at least we know it will be there for spring

[crisp shore]

Thanks for the answer! Hopefully there is an adequate break between Summer and Autumn Season

As for the new seeding, I think it is a good idea to do some flighting (i.e. allow in-game tests and sharing of work so that the community can give feedback on flaws)

[frosty nexus]

@crisp shore yeah, we also think that it would be better to make a gap between Summer and Autumn seasons at least 1,5 months

[wet tide]

Whyyyyyyyy
For the love of god why
What do public games have to do with the skill of a tournament player!!??
Why punish people who play on their original accounts with ‘bad’ stats from when they still were 48wr?.....
@unique shoal bruh moment

[steep prawn]

I've never seen a 48% perform insane in CW after 3 years
Yet I've seen win rate abuse pretty much every tourney with rerolls

[wet tide]

Here you have a 50wr kid playing cw after 3 years (to clarify, I am the kid, do not get offended or whatever xdd)
I never switched accounts and am now just past 60wr, how are my stats supposed to represent my current playing?

[steep prawn]

Well then you should not be afraid to face players with better stats than yours if they don't represent your actual level ;)

[wet tide]

Yes, we are the ones being punished for not recreating an account, whilst others just easily sit there with 70wr and 5k battles having a relative easier MM.

[calm atlas]

👻

[simple tusk]

It’s better system, but what about rerolls? Why they will have advantage?

[lunar stirrup]

Not rlly cos it also checks the amount of battles

[vale bluff]

No

[analog osprey]

Less than 5k games. U don’t count them for the wr team.

[forest matrix]

If u think the issue is playing against the reroll then you missed the point mate. The issue is EG- being seeded like #6 or 8 cause of the reroll and facing an actual legit top 8 contender (such as SNTY or HSOP that get seeded like #20) in 1/4 final first day...
Everybody was quite happy being matched up against clan like the famous one with 6 100%

[limber lintel]

That will only have effect in team of not full reroll, a full team of rerolls and weighted is useless

[steep prawn]

It's checking amount of battles from the tier, which means dude with 5k battle won't matter a lot compared to someone with 50k

[wet tide]

Unless everyone has rerolled...
And what do my public game stats have to do with my cw playing? Do they show how well my strats work and how well I can call?

[crisp shore]

Basically HSOP had to beat a lot of top 8 clans along the way and they barely even reached top 16 at the end of PYS. Challengers teams aren't expected to beat top 8 consistently. There is a big disparity of expectation of the Challengers teams under the current seeding system, where some teams benefited under the seeding system only need to beat top 8 clans once or twice, while some teams affected negatively under the seeding system have to beat top 8 clans at least like 5 times.

[lunar stirrup]

Teams with more battles should be better ranked than full teams of rerolls anyways

[steep prawn]

Ikr, I'm talking about the new seeding that they announced for this summer which counter the win rate seeding of rerolls,and take amount of battles in consideration

[limber lintel]

Its hard to decide what amount of battles has what effect on the wr of team

[steep prawn]

Man your public stats are representing your skill until a certain point, you can't just ignore them and act like your a super pro in leading and calling. If your really that good then again your stats should not stop you

[wet tide]

Yes, but I am not saying that I am that good
I am saying I am better than my stats, but not better enough to overcome anyone else like EG does

[lunar stirrup]

Imo the clan wr is a good example:
When u have a reroll with 75/80 and an acc with 40k battles and 60 wr, the reroll ´ll have way less impact on the clan wr

[limber lintel]

Im saying it will have an effect on teams with original accounts and rerolls, but it wont help with teams of full reroll

[steep prawn]

I'm not saying you will beat EG, but their are others teams which have probably better stats than yours that you can still beat, during the game stats don't matter anyway. If you have like 58-60% wr with lot of games then you should not be last seed and face EG or top tier teams on the first stages (depending on number of teams ofc)

[dry heron]

C la guerre

[wet tide]

Welp fun fact the situation you are describing happend a lotta times... Sometimes we did beat them and make it through, but other times the teams are just a little better and we got kicked out 2nd tour with some top32 team reaching the 4th place...

[steep prawn]

This was with the ex wr seeding, this probably will be different with the new one (avoiding top 32 to reach top 4)

[wet tide]

Idk man, still do not like the idea of public games stats deciding the MM of tours

[steep prawn]

Then what would you do instead for avoiding top 4 teams to fight in first stages, if not take stats in consideration and amount of battle per tier for seeding.
RNG-> same problem
Keeping actual one - > 100wr reroll go brrr

[limber lintel]

Cups earned to battles in PYS played last season ratio, it should be fine

[wet tide]

I am not the greatest on these kinda things but I’d base something on the clans, how they played other seasons and build a seeding around those performances
Or make it a big round robin so everyone plays everyone and you earn points on those games

[steep prawn]

We are talking about the seeding for these PYS tourneys, if you take in consideration old seasons, then how do you seed new teams

[wet tide]

Good point, might be good to have the seeding based on individual players, so when they leave and make a new team they will still get the better seeding. About new cw players, maybe make it so that those without a record get random MM and see how they get along on average, then base their seeding on how they performed there? Idk what I am saying is very likely to be bull* xd
Edit: yes I see what you mean, but what about the top16 teams
Those seem to be forgotten a lot since everyone keeps saying ‘Top8 will be the same with or without rigging’

[steep prawn]

Imo this is complicating too much the seeding meanwhile taking stats and amount of battle per tier seems to be the most simple and logical thing to do, this might penalise few teams but not enough to impact the final top 8
edit : Well I don't to be rude but imo Top 16 should be taken less in consideration for the seeding of the tournament than Top 8, hence why i'm focusing on top 8 seeding

[toxic lintel]

maybe just take the overall wr of each player in tier 10 for the whole team? so if one player has 1 battle 100% and the other 100 battles 80% avg is like 81% something like that perhaps

[steep prawn]

Well this is what they announced no ?

[limber lintel]

you look at players, and take average, not at the team as in the clans performance

[toxic lintel]

currently i believe its not weighted, so if one player have 1 battle 100% the other 100 battles 80% it would be 90% wr avg. Idk this is kind of tricky business to be fair to wg, theres alot of situations they have to account for using this formula. even the idea of 30 day battle stats wouldn't work, cuz u can have a full team that doesn't play pubs for a month. if a team wants to mess with the wr theyll still find a way lol @steep prawn

[steep prawn]

yeah but we're talking about the one they announced for summer not the current one

[upper oar]

^

[winter swallow]

Once again reminding everyone that WG have 5 years of tournament data they can base the seeding on...

[toxic lintel]

yes but they might also want to keep a level playing field for new and old teams as well after all, a team of new players will not have any data for such seeding. also I haven't heard of the summer one they announced so dont have any idea about it lol

[steep prawn]

@toxic lintel

[limber lintel]

but a new team of people almost all new to cw, they most likely won't be that good of a team, so ...

and you could combine a bit too, seeded on past performance, and the new teams get matched by like tier X wr

[toxic lintel]

Ah ok I guess yes then 😂 @steep prawn also Wg is a company so they can’t just say most likely new teams will be trash, they gotta keep it equal for all teams to look good business wise and you can have a new team of rerolls as well. Rerolls is something that benefits wg anyways so they wouldn’t want to discourage it @limber lintel

[low badger]

You could just. Quite literally introduce a battle limit in pubs and solve the issue without complicated programming. Since wargaming quite clearly, struggles at that on a consistent basis

It literally could be 100 battles, which for everyone is literally nothing.

[toxic lintel]

Works as well^ but if they are determined enough they’ll still abuse it as well lol. Could still rig that 100 battles if they really wanted to

[winter swallow]

You can do both. Seed players by past tournament results, weighting more recent tournaments higher than older tournaments - you can generate an average value across the team based on these player results.

Additionally, you can add positive coefficients for "connections between" players on the roster. The more cohesion a team has as a unit, the better this is. Basically, a formulaic coefficient expression capturing the number of times players have been on the same tournament team and the success they had together. This increases in value for more players being part of the same connected group.

So a high-seeded team will be one that has performed well in tournaments with a consistent roster. The more recent the performances (successful) and the more players in the team that were part of that success, the better.

^ That would be tricky to express as an algorithm (and trickier to write the code to pull from the data) and even trickier to balance the exact ratios of the factors to garner optimal seeding - but as a logical principle, if you could execute all those steps correctly - it would give you the best seeding of tournament ability because it would seed teams based on tournament results, whilst reflecting stability/synergy of team units.

*Edit: re: new players - them not being seeded/receiving lower seeding values is fair because they are unproven in tournament battle contexts.

[low badger]

Considering how even with rigging, a 100%wr is nearly impossible, and how its a bannable offense, and visible to the community. It's not worth it when you consider the cost of the account is a tier x tank.

Plus the whole point of a restriction is the reduce the number of teams / accounts used. So basically its a successful implementation if you cut the number of accounts drastically. At a certain point, teams and people who are willing to rig would just do it anyways.
@korahkorah [SPEED]#5903

[toxic lintel]

That sounds pretty cool actually but I’d hate to be the guy having to code that into the game 😂. Update after that be like an extra 5 gbs lmao. Also I know a lot of teams mess around in qt’s so maybe it should just take into account serious tournaments I guess. Idk still a tricky system to implement

[winter swallow]

I would seed like with like. Major results seeding Majors. Tier X seeding Tier X. QT seeding QT. Etc. / I wouldn't use Tier 6 QT results to seed a Tier X major seasonal series.

[low badger]

It sounds good until you realize how volatile the blitz community is and can be. Not to mention, factoring it in is pretty unfair, as winrate is at least remotely tangible. When you introduce arbitrary entites such as amount and duration of relationships, you lose an effective standard metric in which teams are based off of. Plus imagine being a new team of super unis, and you get punished super hard in matchmaking because of the fact no one played with each other before. Its pretty much a feelsbad then

Honestly I'm unok with the current system, but the odds of wargaming messing up are so laughably high, that I don't really feel change is necessary.

[limber lintel]

it will be more finding the right variables so everything weighs in in a reasonably equal amount, the actual coding is a function, from the moment the scores are in it's just Strongest-Weakest like we have now

[toxic lintel]

Again tho if it’s a new team without any data from past major tier x tourneys than the calculator has to be based on a different variable such as tier x quick tourneys. I think wg want to keep the same exact variable for all teams so it’s “as fair as possible for new and old players alike” it would be possible to implement the system but in some rare situations it might be a disadvantage for some teams

[royal cradle]

Just love how rolling gives really good Feedback but wg wont listen to him anyway

Reminds me of the past with Sheridan and all the rest.

[low badger]

In those situations, you can just assign a average value to the team based up of the makeup of the field of entries, or assume they're the worst. You could use the same formula for all teams if its reasonably created. Personally I disagree with prior tournaments impacting future tournament outcomes, but this is how I would execute it.

[limber lintel]

looking at statistics of a different gamemode for your whole career is better than that?

[winter swallow]

Checks and balances and ratios. The exact weight different elements should have would be the hardest part to determine. It was more a thought experiment for a future game and future tournament format... rather than something for WG to retroactively integrate into an aging mobile game 😂

Probably we should stick to designing the best seeding system based on public/random battles. HOWEVER - whatever WG have planned for Summer Season is probably already in motion and has been discussed with senior management etc. - hopefully based on discussions held here earlier this year/last year. We can guess this much based on the duration/turnaround of their dev. cycles (~ 1 year).

[low badger]

@limber lintel
I'll assume you're referring to pubs.

But the problem of a historically factored function for blitz comp is that,

1. teams drastically change / new clans are seen so often that the scope of the function would effectively apply to about 50-80% of teams at top 16 level. (the numbers are made up in my head using my memory on na server)

2. historical functions do not accurately weigh and account for the change of skill and level of teams, due to new metas and stuff.

3. why even bother? The problem that we're trying to fix are 100% wr accounts with low battles. Do you fix this by rewarding high tournanent battles or high tournanent winrate? By doing so, you introduce new problems with whatever implementation you introduce

At a certain point, id take a reliable but flawed function (winrate) that has relatively worked for the last six or seven seasons I've played.

[thorn shale]

^

[low badger]

@unique shoal this stuff takes me less time to read a chapter of the ln- btw roxy is my favorite too - but do not underestimate slyphiette. Green elf gang is god gang

[azure pecan]

There was a "ranked stat" before the rating battles got release, it was similar to wn8 etc and it was on the player s profile IG, i dont understand why it got removed

[winter swallow]

Fair tbh. No point fixing the loophole of 100% WR accounts with M-Theory seeding. And also true that I am sure the player base can find/make problems with any system implemented. Competitive Blitz players (myself included) are remarkably ingenius for a bunch of phone yeeting apes.

WR seeding has functioned moderately well so far. But it has significant flaws on the EU server where the combination of WR fixing, number of teams playing and level of play of the teams involved has resulted in some really, really bad seeding match ups for very good teams with below average win rates - early on. Basically, EU hs lot of Top 8 calibre teams meeting in quarter finals of qualifying group. And that sucks for the losing team which earns less cups.

WG are not super fussed about that because the problem is not replicated on CIS server where the number of participating teams and number of groups created result in fewer conflicting poor seeding results, and the ones that do occur, occur at higher/less meaningful stages in qualifying series in relation to cup/trophy accrual.

[limber lintel]

1. First of all you look at individual players not at clans, that would be the most braindead thing to do
2. Any seeding you do will have something of a players playing history, be it wr, be it cw performance, so that argument is eh
3. Why even bother? Because rerolls also are an issue, anything done to givr urself advantage is unfair, 100% accounts are just most obvious
4. The current system is not working at all, maybe NA is fine, but EU is fecked atm

[low badger]

1. you know... The best players usually make up the best teams, and they usually have the highest of winrates. (ignoring the 100% wr acc thing) its not really brain dead. Plus how would you look at clans?

Not to mention, most clans just you know, make new clans for their feeder roster, or when they form a new team. So you're essentially going to punish and cast away those teams if you introduce a clan based standard. I'm sure theres clans that were new and were top 8/16 material in their first outing. Under your system, you'd cast away different teams who were well deserving.

2. maybe the stats that are easily understood, and implementable are the best used on a depth and breadth basis? Imagibe coming up with a formula to measure cw performance to then implement in a seeding system forumla. What a mess would that be. The best seeding is an agreeable standard. Is historical performance agreeable?

3. clans tend to find an advantage anyways. What's the point. Yeah 100% wr accounts are blatant and bad. But whats worse? Punishing new tournanent teams and shutting out comp from them because of atrocious seeding (from historical weights) forcing teams/players to stay in clans that have been historically played in lots of cw. Creating a cycle of incumbency beyond the scope of what we already have so far? Historical weights have empircally proven to favor the already successful and reject the new.

Why is this a problem? Think about how many new clans and player swaps there are. Yikes. You basically punish a large minority to a super majority as opposed to rewarding a minority.

4. is eu really that bad? I had no idea lmao.

[untold tinsel]

i have no idea either

[patent quartz]

unless u guys want to keep seeing half theplayers of eu on 1 battle accounts this system is the way to go

[violet comet]

Let’s go make 100% wr team 👀

[limber lintel]

Do you even read what I say in number 1), you say players change team and clan, I say you shouldnt look at clans, but at individual players,
In 2) you say historical functions dont work, but anything used for seeding including wr is a historical statistic, so ...
3) Anything non-performance in cw will be able to be rigged more easily, because of rerolling, because of count in with AFK accounts to farm, ... so you are saying that we shouldnt invest in a system because teams will try to find ways around it, thats like not making a law becausw people might break it
4) eu is fkd

5. read carefully what i write, before entering essay novelist mode
   :wink:

[untold tinsel]

if u didn’t know, button actually wrote a novel called mien kampf.

[low badger]

I just didn't see one argument right. My bad. Your emoji use really hits the point home. I literally read that sentence three times and I barely understand it now.

You know, wr is a number displayed front and center on your profile. Yes, stats are usually historical. But if you derive data from arbitrary and confusing metrics- it doesnt help anyone whatsoever. You know whats confusing? Data based on unseen winrates, playtime, and other metrics unseen to the playerbase. Ie. All the comp data that no one seems to have.

3. ima just copy paste this.
   Considering how even with rigging, a 100%wr is nearly impossible, and how its a bannable offense, and visible to the community. It's not worth it when you consider the cost of the account is a tier x tank.

Plus the whole point of a restriction is the reduce the number of teams / accounts used. So basically its a successful implementation if you cut the number of accounts drastically. At a certain point, teams and people who are willing to rig would just do it anyways.

Tournanent accounts are under more scrutiny, I would be amazed if someone let it fly.

Oh and I already had a solution to that, lettme copy paste that here.

You could just. Quite literally introduce a battle limit in pubs and solve the issue without complicated programming. Since wargaming quite clearly, struggles at that on a consistent basis

It literally could be 100 battles, which for everyone is literally nothing.

I GOTCHU MY DOGGIE

Some will see a rigged account/game and act upon it. Trust me, I know from experience. Plus you can fix the 1 battle thing by... Making tournanent players play more battles as an entry requirement?

Also your law argument, just because teams find loopholes. Doesnt mean they're doing things wrong. In this case, I'd argue the one battle account is bad. Yeah. Its bad. You police one battle Accounts by maybe making them play more. Not by making laws that punish a different spectrum of the blitz competitive community.

[untold tinsel]

i don’t like eu

[low badger]

Ima go watch anime and bless the lord I was born in a asian country

[limber lintel]

Cant force people to play a gamemode they dont want, and cw performance is registered, you get cups, there you go, a cw performance stat cups/PYS games

Theres a cw performance stat and judt cus we cant see, doesnt mean it isnt there

100% account isnt bannable, maybe someone just wants to play ratings no randoms, who are you to force them to play randoms, same for the battle count requirement, cant do that

[untold tinsel]

u don’t get ratings without a tier 7, people with one battle and 100% don’t have tier 7 so by your logic that makes no sense

[low badger]

Ima just. Borrow what you said to me. Its really useful.

Read carefully what I write, before entering essay novelist mode
😉

When did I ever say the 100% accounts were bannable?

Also I swear you get a different amount of cups depending on which season you played. And that's "riggable" too. Just play one tournament, win /place high as possible and never touch it again. Use the clan in a following season for easy seeds. If you did this eight times, you would have eight clans for eight seasons. Oh and use your 100%wr accounts for added salt.

Notice how even the cw stat you reccomended is literally arbitrary as it gets, since the amount of cups can change based off the ruleset?

Who said anything about forcing anyways, its just a requirement and a solution. You need a phone, a working internet connection and a tier x tank to play. Why not add another 99 battles to the mix as well?

[limber lintel]

@untold tinsel you can buy premium tanks above tier VII right now in the store for gold, you can buy gold at any time
.

@low badger I thought with the how it's a bannable offense and visible to the community you were referring to the 100%, but you were referring to the rigging I suppose then? is that what you meant?

and let me say this once again,

IT'S NOT LINKED TO CLAN, AND IT ONLY LOOKS BACK ONE SEASON, people are given individual cups, so there is no ties to clans, it looks at averages of individuals in new teams, and you only look back one season so it doesn't matter that the cup rewards were lower/higher for season x or y

and you are forcing people to play 100 games if they want to participate, why not add it into the mix, is not an argument

[thorn shale]

I have 77% wr all time in tier 10 good formula

[untold tinsel]

@limber lintel if you already have the win rate why would you care about a tier 7 in ratings, since regular battles only count for stats

[glad sphinx]

^^^

[slim blade]

just make it so your total battle count must be at least 75% random

[lucid notch]

hey all, I was making a team for a tx coins tour and took a look at the team wr (so far comprising 2 players) out of curiosity and it seemed quite clearly weighted by battles, i can send the screenshots if needed.

so I'm quite interested why the coins team wr is weighted but the pys one isn't, according to what everyone has been saying here.

maybe its just an asia thing? anyway if anyone knows why or could check this that would be nice lol

[supple hearth]

Impressive!

[mild mortar]

Weighted QT is a thing in every server, barring people use 7 100 wr accounts (Dont think there is a team rich enough for this) its not an abusable system so no one knows why WG hasnt implemented it in PYS yet, its why everyones crying here.

[untold tinsel]

@slim blade won’t work if your 1 battle counts for 100% of ur battles lol

[thorn shale]

Thanks!

[narrow meteor]

Monke

[untold tinsel]

ooh ooh

[slim blade]

I mean sure you can get an account with 1 battle and buy a tier 10, but rating battles and tournament battles add on to your total battle count so you’d have 1 random battle and hundreds of ratings/tournaments

[untold tinsel]

u missed what i said

[crisp shore]

I think also the recent offer with the tier 10 premium crates also facilitates the creation of eligible 100% win rate accounts too

[glad sphinx]

^^^^ fr, spend money get some gold some t10s play ratings/ qts farm some xp and get a t10 for comp

[patent quartz]

there wont be 1 battle accs anymore so good formula

[glad sphinx]

2 battles?

Lel

[winter swallow]

Reason for slow mode is that this is technically a "chat with devs" thread. However, tournament players don't have a dedicated tournament chat thread... so they use this one to chat. ... "chat" with a 5 min slow mode 😂

And that is actully a serious point. If the devs want this as a more focused area for feedback, they should provide a general chat area for players to discuss tournament linked things between themselves.

I mean - for pity's sake - there are separate channels for really inane things like "map discussion" and "vehicle discussion" but not one for tournament discussion :/