tourneys-discussion

[patent quartz]

indeed, and it has been fixed since then and never has been abused again for that, but here we played it from the beginning till now fair and square, and now WG is (most likely) providing us a rematch that we didnt ask for, why wouldn't we take it... without being hypocritic or anything, but anything else than moral reason, why wouldn't we play it our best, they ignored our accusations on a team we reported for acc sharing, we wont give of our person if they don't give from their's. @pale finch

[hollow sigil]

Posting popcorn and stuff is purely taking away from the fact that there is an actual issue here

[tired prawn]

OK♿

[lavish star]

🇹🇷

[half urchin]

tbh i dont know what we will do, and its not on my side to decide it 🤷‍♂️ lets just wait for wg, everything else comes after

[hallow sundial]

No you clearly can‘t but still This is a game with a community. Yes its sad that Wg sometimes give the fairness to the hands of the players, i agree it shouldn’t be like that. You are not better than others then. And I know you don‘t care :))))) np.
You can‘t play tbis game with thinking everyone will be fair.

[thorn tinsel]

Mais en fait a cause de nous ils ont du changer de système sauf qu'il fonctionne à moitié au final c'est notre faute encore une fois @patent quartz
I am véry anglishe

[whole dragon]

wargaming has shown repeatedly that they are incompetent in running tournaments season after season and it’s really no surprise at the lack of a response (must be bedtime in minsk?) if this were Activision the issue will have been solved properly and fairly to all parties involved. ‘we can’t edit our own game’ simply doesn’t cut it for me. Wargaming are happy to release expensive premium tanks again and again but they can’t obtain a good enough server? come on stop bs ing us. resolve the problem you created why should the players have to suffer.

[green orchid]

Wesh @analog osprey

[tranquil seal]

If I knew how to express myself in English properly, I would have used your words sir

[dry heron]

ok ok then i hope it will end in the good way as it should 🙂

[olive patio]

Nusret exist

[analog osprey]

It’s simple wg do something about the 4th ascent and give some pts about this problem and tomorrow I let the spitfires’s ass free for bps

[limber lintel]

teams who have to play tommorow but already had results from battles, just give the free wins/scores they didn't ban APA for yoloing like monkey into their own clan, so why wouldn't this be allowed, problem solved, I'm not even joking

[shrewd iron]

Is there any clan here who is actually going to give the win to the winners today, tomorrow? I don't think so?

[cyan timber]

😂 like that will happen

[hollow sigil]

SNTY won’t lol

[median basin]

Yes but it's called utopia though

[tired prawn]

APA vs APA was actually most interesting

[thorn shale]

@median basin Eldorado

[hallow sundial]

HSOP will...

[patent quartz]

if WG ever consider taking measures on our last request we could potentially consider letting BPS win, even tho i dont want to, and i'm not joking

[median basin]

Thing is that we have nothing to do with WG. So this is two different things and it's not our fault either

[shrewd iron]

I agree but its not SNTY fault either.

@hallow sundial HSOP mvps

[cyan timber]

this is just a social experiment guys chill

[agile depot]

Lmao venti

[visual tendon]

I agree with you, what a pitty to be obligated to act like that... But as you said it we can't play this game with thinking everyone will be fair... With SRNTY we already had the fair play to don't use reroll account for WR... Tomorrow WG is literally asking us of playing again this one lol xD (and the worst is that if we don't play it we risk taking sanctions for unsportsmanlike hahaha)

[dry heron]

we should negociate between clans and not with WG i mean did u see here someone from wg staff apllying since 1hour lol

[hollow sigil]

But you can’t, some clans just want the wins they haven’t earnt

[hallow sundial]

Haha funny funny taking a risk for Sportsmanship. How can you blame others like Apa and this for rigging if you have this attitude haha

[winged saffron]

It’s just a prank bro

[green orchid]

@thorn tinsel wesh frère

[urban river]

@hallow sundial there is a difference between shared acc, rerolls, 100% acc, emulators & playing a rematch because of an usual tournament bug
I ain’t blaming anyone because guys who did this know

[tired prawn]

Who’s using emulators?

[crisp shore]

I think it is bizarre to use the current WR seeding abuse and teams alleged of using shared accounts and emulators to justify the action of playing tomorrow's games normally. Yes the reason is that WG did nothing for these violations but we are talking about two different situations here.

[shrewd iron]

So pretty much everyone is going to go for gold tomorrow...

@hallow sundial u guys should too...

[sly hornet]

🙋

[thorn shale]

:O reported ezez

[hallow sundial]

No its not. As wildones said.
It‘s fine I don‘t blame you as I said. Not everyone can be a Sportsman. And As i also said it should be ruled by the organisier but its clearly not. Thats why this can happen.
If you win You probably kicked ppl out of top 8 I cant see a difference to others rigging with 100% accs and this.

@shrewd iron We won against SNTY but they will play for the win so dont blame us blame them xd

@agile depot Sure haha

@toxic bridge too tired bot

[hollow sigil]

Just sad to see SNTY acting like children loool
Look at HSOP , setting the responsible standard

[thorn tinsel]

Moi je joue sur Nintendo jsp si c un emulator

[agile depot]

Just win again lol 🧠

[thorn shale]

Facts if you can’t win again why would you deserve the top 8 spot lmaoo

[crisp shore]

Something WG needs to address is that how inaccessible the game is to the coders. They need to make the important parts of the game changeable through manual fixes, so as to act as a failsafe shall big bugs happen.

[toxic bridge]

@hallow sundial ur english still didnt improve a lot xd 😘

[winged saffron]

I trust all you guys to play fairly

[median basin]

Ok guys this is a bad situation, but let's not hate each other

[green orchid]

All of these problems couldve been avoided if u skipped this prove your skill tourney like EG :))

[cyan timber]

amk

[shrewd iron]

@green orchid big brain moves. There is no issue if u don't play in the first place 🧠👏

@hallow sundial yeah seems a bit unfair but yeah goodluck for tomorrow to hsop

[wet tide]

Yup
If wg didn’t mess up the teams wouldn’t have a re-match. Accept your loss and give the enemy a win. My absolute respect for HSOP doing this, they are a team that should be respected for its honesty..( besides the fact that they play very well ofcourse)

[dry heron]

u where knowing that before everyone so ? xD

[visual tendon]

@hallow sundial you're so made dude, I'm just kiding. Novertheless, think what you want, nothing is fair in this tournament, SRNTY rly suffer of it... for the first time we'll have a chance imposed by WG for a question of fair play due to server pb... we'll take it.

[analog osprey]

Atm only AQVA SNTY EG- RA1D HSOP CARNA aren’t abusing the system with the wr....

[patent quartz]

u can blame us for actually playing the rematch as it's given to us, but between this and the ones actually kicking u out of top 8 because of 100% accounts, acc sharing, emulators etc, i think we're not the ones to blame and considered as "childish" there, i understand u can be frustrated as we've been more than once back in FBI, the submitted rematch is sent to us by WG and is not an exploit in any possible way, contrary to everything mentionned above.

[thorn shale]

Factsfactsfacts

[urban river]

@hallow sundial As I said, you won, but as Wg are doing some weird things, if there is a rematch we will play it even tho, if we were in ur position, we would be disappointed but still play the rematch.
@hollow sigil stop being mad, keep your children for yourself, thanks :) and as Janitastic said, just win tomorrow rematch...

[gentle sierra]

Wesh Leggo

[thorn tinsel]

@hollow sigil ferme là Narvalo t un vieux reroll éclaté

[crisp shore]

I think the main point here is that -BPS- is not afraid of losing but the fact that their win was unfairly taken away tonight. This is why they are very angry about this, and I'm sure same goes for VE1L and 7URKS too.

I do not expect HSOP, SNTY or RA1D to uphold the results tonight and not take advantage of the rematch opportunity, but if they do, the entire EU community will respect them for doing so.

(That being said though on a sidenote, what is with this VE1L's team lineup tonight??)

[cyan timber]

baron you are so smart I was looking forward to your valuble contribution to this chat

[topaz berry]

Lmao. As SNNT’ leaders have said, we have lost an important ascent because of emulators and share account but Wg didn’t care and we are still waiting for an answer.... If we had won this game, the tournament would not be the same for us. Just keep it in mind

[hallow sundial]

@analog osprey Yesyes on purpose. I always rigg. Just remember the feeling after last twister. Im upset that you play. The others idc but you dunno...

@visual tendon
You justify rigging with rigging...
You say you got bled by teams bcause they rigg meanwhile you do it by yourself, you see the irony?

@urban river It‘t not the point if we win tomorrow or not. I hope you know that. And thats what differs players :)))))

[limber lintel]

this season started off bad, it's only getting worse, this season is a joke,
change my mind

[dense shore]

Are you sure? I said here before don’t look only 100wr accs
91 wr is legal but 100 wr illegal ok @analog osprey

[analog osprey]

@hallow sundial yes but now u have 4 rerolles in the team so your aren’t 100% fair atm

[stuck trout]

It’s interesting how SNTY preaches (some valid points) about all these issues, yet take out their problem on perhaps one of the few clans who have played fair throughout. Cmon we all remember how some of you acted in FBI.... (somewhat hypocritical eh?) Personally I disagree with this. Although at the heart of the issue we have wargaming who as we can see, are doing the usual: nothing. As usual. Good job wargaming. There is no excuse. Can we have more of a sh*tshow? Perhaps next week you can break the room so they can’t even have battle.

[visual tendon]

there is no irony, just logical reaction to an illogical situation

[thorn shale]

MDRRRRR 4 rerolls

[tired prawn]

Well, Manfak just doesn’t like random games, that’s what he said

[thorn shale]

I aint no surprised that pro scene of WoT Blitz will die because of issues with tournaments and its only WG fault :))

Because why play pro tournaments if they are unstable and even if you win u wont win

1+1 = 1923

Y’all shouldn’t be throwing. If somebody wants top 8 they can either win again or be babies. It doesn’t make sense for hsop to throw to VE1L second team with rerolls? If a top 8 team cannot beat a top 16 team then idk what to say. Same with all the other matches. If you can’t win against the team again, it means u do not 100 percent deserve the top 8 spot. I don’t understand why Eu people are sorry for not throwing! It logically doesn’t make sense for a team to make top 8 if they can’t beat the other competitors

[fast hare]

IamZbeub#9122 has been warned.

[cyan timber]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[urban river]

@hallow sundial we are both fighting for Top8, yea you won and there’s a rematch, but thats it, there is no way arguing, we will play this, hope you will aswell, hope there is no bug, so we have a clear game, a real result. No point trying to tilt another.

[gentle sierra]

2 hour slowmode incoming

[patent quartz]

@hallow sundial If u really are looking for who's mainly responsible for our current problem i can send u a full list if 12clans out of the top16, and we are not among those, whatever u'r going to say.

[shrewd iron]

So no one gonna throw and we will see who deserves top 8... Well played Wargaming well played 🧠

[inland solstice]

baron predicting the future again pog

[upper oar]

as a reminder, only English is allowed here. and please keep this civil. im not exactly sure what the controversy is about as im not involved with tournaments myself, but you guys are free to discuss as long as its civil

[crisp shore]

To be honest, I would let it go if the matches will be conducted fairly by both teams tomorrow based on the only fact that the matches were not recognised officially. Using the abhorrent stuff with win rate seeding and potential violation with emulators and account sharing as a reason makes little sense to the action, and only further de-justify the action in my opinion. Once again I'm not expecting anyone to dutifully perform the result tonight tomorrow.

[dry heron]

no one will do it 100% sure

[analog osprey]

@patent quartz @urban river @thorn tinsel stop now thx. Tacos stop trolling zebi

[hallow sundial]

I don‘t think having a reroll is rigging tbh... The point with the 100% is that they play 1 battle and then go play randoms to grind tanks. These rerolls are not in there for rigging purposes. They are because they play. Otherwise we could have used 100% accs easily and wouldnt be better than others.
You were the one which told me last time if we use 100% accs you leave the team. Thats what im talking about.

@urban river at the end its not my problem. Ppl will just look different on you not my problem. Its sad and I would never do that but there are ppl out there which do it...

@urban river Im just talking np. I told my team to stfu because of these reason... my french isn‘t as bad as i couldnt read what zeub wrote haha.

[dense shore]

Dude That is not about your clan everyone can abuse the system. Why are people crying? I don’t know. S4w uses 3 100 accs but they couldn’t achieve anything.

[green orchid]

using a reroll is not rigging. now I've seen it all

[hollow sigil]

Lol s4w

[hollow edge]

lol ollie...

[thorn tinsel]

@hallow sundial i love u ❤️ and u too @barren gate fdp

[limber lintel]

yeeeeee, what clan ru in?

[shrewd iron]

On a @muted ore note..... will Fugit and 3very get new teams to stream tomorrow?🤣

[tired prawn]

100% WR acc > late night gameplay to raise stats

[fast hare]

IamZbeub#9122 was muted

[thorn shale]

Sadge

[cyan timber]

ok ok I was worried for a moment there

[ornate wren]

Guys this shouldn’t be aimed at anyone apart from wg. Every team wants to win. So it’s pointless trying to get unbiased opinions of each other and getting upset with each other - WG can’t even keep the score of 2 rooms. Simple.

[gentle sierra]

@cyan timber shame

[thorn shale]

Wargaming Server should be toaster

[crisp shore]

And also it is really hard to tell the main purpose of using an account with a really high win rate. You can have a team with reasonable win rates, but if you can work out the system of strongest-weakest principle, you can put in accounts with "reasonable" win rates tailored to the win rate seeding so as to give them an upper hand.

Meanwhile, you have clans which are struggling to recruit CW players. All they could do is to look at every application and invitation. A possible reason why they have players with very high win rate is that they are the core part of the team. Win rate seeding is not a good seeding which I totally agree and Wargaming should change it.

I'm not condoning any attempt in tailoring your team's win rate to your advantage -- that includes the usage of 100% win rate accounts, creating phantom teams to increase chances of top 8 hopefuls facing one another at earlier stages. They are all terrible and should be criticised. However, the bigger picture with win rate seeding rigging is not limited to just the inclusion of 100% win rate accounts and involves a myriad of other rigging possibilities.

[analog osprey]

@muted ore @frosty nexus look here look why there are some dramas between some clans. Yesterday we were friends with BPS but maybe not anymore because these problems

[shrewd iron]

Give fugit and 3very new teams to stream for tomorrow... won't need to register that into any toaster

[sly hornet]

why do i have this feeling that rekty is gonna be on the winning end here again?

[azure pecan]

Legends never die

[agile depot]

2019 flashbacks 😂 or was it 2020 ?

[inland solstice]

the issue is with wargaming. they caused this.

[gentle sierra]

Shady the voice of reason😤

[hallow sundial]

So I rigg? I play daily on it and don‘t have it with the goal to get better seeding. I wasn’t even playing cw when I had this acc...
If yes imma cry

[cyan timber]

shady smarter than baron

[ornate wren]

It’s not your guys fault.

Like I said - WG had to get results from 1/4 finals of an important tournament and they failed.

It’s no ones fault but theirs. Of course this will happen between any teams - in this situation.

But this is typical of wargaming. To ruin something and then let everybody fight amongst themselves while they hide, and then absolve themselves completely of any blame.

[hollow sigil]

My acc was made in 2018 and I have played PC for years on it before I wanted to try CW

[barren gate]

EG will win anyway

[urban river]

simple.

[median basin]

Why do we even get to the point of justifying ourselves lol

[analog osprey]

If they don’t sleep @barren gate

[dry heron]

logic

[visual tendon]

+1, justifiying is useless, let's go to the battlefield and stop trying to find who is the meanest mouahaha @barren gate arrête de flex bg des andalles

[shrewd iron]

@crisp shore in your stream tomorrow show replays that clans sent you of today's tour rather than masteries. It would be such a good watch 💯

[cyan timber]

atleast we can look forward to APA mojkars new video with some hot new themes

[thorn shale]

pog

[crisp shore]

I think people just have to acknowledge that -BPS- (and also both 7URKS and VE1L) has a good reason to be disappointed about a fair win getting stolen from them. Yes top 8 teams should be able to replicate wins but we are talking about a fair fixture being stolen here. We should acknowledge that -BPS- is disappointed about the steal and also about other teams not upholding the original fair result, from what I understand.

[agile depot]

Who will make a winter season meme video ?

[thorn shale]

@azure pecan Do it pls

[green orchid]

If WG persists with WR based MM then it can be considered as such rigging even if your intentions were not there to improve seeding of your team. However this is not the fault of the person with a reroll nor my concern but with WG's flawed system. And while this flawed system exists you better believe teams that are not confident of making top 8 will continuously make rerolls of 75%-100% WR as a ways to get their professional camouflage.

[hallow sundial]

+++

[ornate wren]

For me - it shouldn’t be up to us to do that. Everyone wants to win. You can’t expect people to let you win again unless it’s like an unwritten fair play rule.

The issue is : are we going to have to accept any old reason? They can’t enter “2-1” into a system? The whole tour is plagued with loopholes and bad sportsmanship- who is responsible? The people organising it. Only. And that’s WarGaming @crisp shore

[tranquil seal]

Don't forget avatars and backgrounds😂

[analog osprey]

Wg give our pts from 4th ascent zebi

[cyan timber]

wg = zebi

[vital obsidian]

Technical issues can happen in every system, let the crew solve the issues and focus on getting the rest of season through without breaks

[patent quartz]

first of all, we need answers from our very first complain, which we've been told were still under iNvEsTiGaTiOn

[thorn shale]

let the Specialist work on that bro

[crisp shore]

That's a fair point and you summarised it wonderfully. I don't know why Wargaming does not accept any form of evidence of fairly conducted tournament games, and why they are not even able to input the results manually. This is something Wargaming needs to urgently fix. It happened with military honour system before with complaints unable to be revoked manually (not sure if it did in the end).

On top of that you mentioned the loopholes and bad sportsmanship, in my opinion I am more than happy to not introduce the Winter Season if a new seeding is not in place. If they try a new formula to test the waters, it is fine for me. The reason not to introduce the Winter Season without a new seeding in place is that we saw the atrocity with win rate seeding rigging during the Autumn Season. With also teams deliberately match fixing, even when it is streamed live by a commentator, Wargaming needs to update their tournament regulations big time to reduce the myriad of possibilities of rigging in the future. Also mid-season violation allegations should not be left until the end of the season because the entire Prove Your Skill stage runs for a good number of days and is very important that such potential violations should have minimal impact to the eSports scene as much as possible.

[green orchid]

This is the same company that rarely implements custom clan logos because of the 'complexity' of their game's coding btw. Expect nothing from them.

[cyan timber]

specialist working day and night on the impossible task of removing the tournament notifications

[hollow sigil]

Ahahhahaha xD

[analog osprey]

HAAHAHHAHA

[shrewd iron]

Hahaha

[inland solstice]

😂😂

[urban river]

Mdrrr Shokk Mes Que Un Crack

[lyric vine]

🍿

[green plover]

rigging fdp

[scenic thorn]

🤣

[patent quartz]

Evening moe 😂😂😂

[crisp shore]

Yes, they still haven't given in-game clan logos to GV, HLV, -ID-, GG- (then ISHTR) and GGAME from 2020 Autumn Season. 😂

[green orchid]

still waiting for our updated clan logo too btw - they said 7.6...

[cyan timber]

wg rn reading all these roast comments

[thorn shale]

They probably just ignore when this chat gets spammed like this @cyan timber

[median basin]

As if they would bother reading this. I mean they already struggle running a game properly so imagine having to deal with a discord server at same time

[toxic bridge]

thats why we need the best of

[upper oar]

this is one of the few channels that a WG employee actually goes reads in full

[crisp shore]

The best of Wildoneshelper's unnecessary screams to very normal tournament gameplay

[upper oar]

that said, lets keep the spam out of here

[remote sleet]

Esports ready boyyyyssss

[gilded sentinel]

I totally agree with you MM for these kind of tournaments need to be re do / Implement a better system we saw too many teams with a 100% win rate not being used in the battles the purpose of these is just to rig the match making and boost their seeding

Also I don’t understand why it is so hard to review the stream or collect replays for the tournament and count the result by WG.

[pastel tartan]

Jack not sending a message so i shall remind you that for NA Prove your skill Fishy is following CPG and i am following PRAMO. Enjoy!

[proper river]

what

[winged saffron]

We’ve done this before, I think that means auto loss

[cold dew]

yea. i forgot i was muted so they didn’t hear me telling to spec me since i couldn’t change otherwise

[ancient shard]

Yea i recall it happening lol, it was auto loss, even though we wouldve had 6 without the t4

[latent olive]

wow go to bed and wake up to drama! At 1 point I thought I had woken up in the US 😉 So is the entire PYS #6 Final stage cancelled or just certain games? In other words am I streaming IMMOR v RA1D again??

[pastel tartan]

@latent olive i'll dm you

[thorn shale]

Team enter

[pale finch]

Yes.

[muted ore]

We apologize for the technical problems.
Unfortunately, it is impossible to be 100% insured against any problems.

Only some of the battles have been rescheduled.
These battles were not played correctly and were not counted in the rankings.
These battles did not even have a result.

@unborn oak There were technical problems in these battles that affected the fight.
The results of these battles were not available.

[crisp shore]

The next problem is that can the results be manually input into the bracket or can the winning team be manually declared the winner of the unplayed fixture and advance to the next round? The teams are ready to provide proof if need be.

[hallow sundial]

@muted ore okay but aren‘t replays 100% safe?

[muted ore]

Yes

[muted ore]

We're very sorry to see problems like this arise.
We try to do our best to avoid this.

[feral oar]

It’s actually really simple. You can fix this problem without WG. Show how nice community we can be. If u lost yesterday just don’t play today...

[leaden belfry]

sadly, several clans have already said that they're very sportive, but not -that- sportive

HSOP so far are the true gentlemen here

[muted ore]

@hallow sundial No. These battles were affected by technical problems.
Unfortunately, replay, screenshots or broadcast records will not allow to 100% exclude the influence of technical problems.

[thorn shale]

its simple , some people have no pride

[crisp shore]

I think you are missing the main point I'm trying to point out here.

Is Wargaming unable in anyway to put the results in manually? That is, can Wargaming not type in the results, or can Wargaming not directly assign the winning teams of yesterday (VE1L, 7URKS, -BPS-) to qualify to the next stage, even if the results of yesterday will not be shown in the game anyway?

Are the brackets completely automatic and unable to be altered manually?

[pastel tartan]

Even if they can it wont change the fact that they want to have the matches be re-fought

[pale finch]

Nice thought but it won’t ever happen xd

[shrewd iron]

Seems like a no... looking forward to the streams

[crisp shore]

Then they need an explanation as to why that is the case if they have the ability to do so

[pastel tartan]

he said it already

Unfortunately, replay, screenshots or broadcast records will not allow to 100% exclude the influence of technical problems.

[muted ore]

We can enter the final score manually, but we think that
these results may not be 100% correct.
Replays, screenshots or broadcast records will not allow to 100% exclude the influence of technical problems.
That's why we rescheduled the matches that were affected by technical problems.

[pale finch]

I mean, to be fair serenity even offered to provide their replays so you could conclude the result of serenity bps series.. I think that’s a fair way of them implying that the matches where fair and okay, no?

[crisp shore]

Let me explain this once again.

We all know the results of yesterday's games were not counted because the data were corrupted due to a bug of recognising the outcome of the matches right?

Have the games been conducted in a fair manner? Yes. We have proofs for that

Is Wargaming able to input final scores manually? Now they said yes.

The next question is:

Is there anything from the games we have seen, like the match of RA1D vs. 7URKS I streamed, are influenced by an in-battle error? Not from what I experienced from yesterday

In other words, were there any issues within the games that questioned the validity of the games?

The error yesterday as far as I know happened outside of the battle, so they should have no influence to the dynamics of the battle at all.

[cobalt yarrow]

Have you checked games ,what kinda technical issue happened in games? There was no issue for both sides except usual ping issues

[crisp shore]

To add, the outcome of the games was correctly shown on stream. No particular player showed major connection issues on the stream. We did not see ghost shells or anomalous damage numbers from both teams. The error that corrupted the tournament bracket did not seem to have an impact on the dynamics of the battles at all. Hence, I am interested to know how the error yesterday had an effect to the games played within.

[muted ore]

It is not only the "results" that are a problem but the battles themselves.
We cannot be sure of the honesty of these results.
Read my answer above.

[thorn shale]

How do i join a tournament with my m5 light?

[crisp shore]

That is the main point I'm trying to prove here. Yes you might be right that we cannot be sure about the impact that the bug yesterday would bring to the battle dynamics.

But at the same time, do we have evidence that the bug yesterday had an effect to the battle dynamic? No. Because of this, I do not think we should invalidate the results. It sounds to me like you are acting based on the principle of "guilty until proven innocent" instead of "innocent until proven guilty", which to be honest I do not agree with the former.

Previously, we have good reasons to invalidate the results. For example, last Autumn on the Asia server during PYS#1, it is the right move to invalidate the results because there were huge ping issues across the server which affected the fairness of the battles. In this situation, I do not see a strong reason.

[pale finch]

@frigid aurora hello

[frigid aurora]

To be honest replaying the games will just falsify the original outcome of the tournament affected by a technical issue which had nothing to do with the gameplay aspect itself, and there are ways to prove it. WG has as many tools as they need to make sure that the games were held fairly, there are replays, there are tournament tables and scores displayed, there are accounts of players to be checked for results of the matches, i mean this is your game. By replaying the matches you give additional chances to the teams that must have lost, to win, and the teams that must have won, to lose. And I think that’s unfair. So talking about fairness and honesty, this is not the solution either
hi @pale finch @analog osprey

[analog osprey]

@frigid aurora wesh frr

[thorn tinsel]

Cheh

[frosty nexus]

Due the technical reasons start-time of the quick tournaments is changed on Europe:

• V-VI - from 15:00 (CET) to 22:00 (CET)
• VII-VIII - from 15:05 (CET) to 22:05 (CET)
• IX-X - from 15:10 (CET) to 22:10 (CET)

[limber lintel]

that sounds good for the rematches of PYS tonight then

[remote sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-mocking-chicken-trending-meme-gif-8617355

these results may not be 100% correct

[hallow sundial]

@muted ore What's the Problem. Both Teams say that the Result was Legit and no one had Problems.
The only Problem was on your side...
+Replays which can't be faked.

Maybe you just have to say that you are not able to change it. Because In my POV there is literally no reason to not put it in manually.

[cobalt yarrow]

I think he did'nt even look at the games , he was defending games ended by technical issue yesterday ,today he is saying we cannot sure result are %100 correct.
Ask team captains was there any problem or not it's very simple if u want the be fair.

[thorn shale]

it is however not complicated..

[ornate wren]

You haven’t answered anyone with anything believable.

Both teams involved in our match are saying there were no problems - it was a fair match. They even offered to give their replays as well as us offering ours.

Yet you cling to this fable of the battle being affected. The same with the other match which was live streamed. Are you saying that all of us including the players didn’t even realise they were technical difficulties despite the game being played normally? And nobody saying anything until you guys did?

And it’s a little bit strange how you immediately said the games must be replayed.
WG didn’t even say we are looking into fixing it first or were even interested in the score .

You had already made up your minds that you wanted the matches replayed. So just judging by your actions only; the only thing I can make out that is true, is that you guys just 100% want these games we played - replayed again for some reason.
And it had nothing to do with technical difficulties because you’ve given no explanation that holds any water whatsoever.
How can the games not register when the players themselves have battle results? We have more access and information than the devs now? Like seriously. You need to go and find a better excuse. Fine you can say it - but who do you think believes that? All the people that watched the livestream?

You do realise you are seriously insulting our intelligence right? I mean that. From a customer to a company.

Personally I would say guys need to be careful how you handle things - as your credibility levels among the community is very low and you are killing the competitive scene like this.

Seriously , it’s not fun taking part like this. Amongst all the loopholes with seedlings and 2nd teams and putting on coins tournaments on the same day. Why would anyone derail their Flagship tournament with a coins one?

50 teams in PYS (and some of those don’t exist) and 450 in coins? Gg WG 👌

[thorn shale]

Big brain lmaoo, what do you need more seriously? we have the replays and streams you want more lmaoo

[dry heron]

U should mby stop answering like a robot and take a little bit more care about what of your players are saying I think nah ?

[radiant kelp]

so many roasts oof

[thorn shale]

why continue if they don't listen to us..

[tropic vapor]

Xd

[dry heron]

Did people who are abusing are the base of the problem rlly ?

[hallow sundial]

Funny Funny @cold blaze Go drop names if you open your mouth again. You are not even from EU so wtf... Why would you care

[thorn shale]

Why i cant participate at season coins 7 and my teammate can do it without problems?

[cold dew]

^

[visual tendon]

The half of registered team who aim top8... maybe more... I'll not give the huge list of names bcuz it's too long lol xD But I don't blame anyone for that, not even you, only WG. So, please don't cry when, for the first time in this tournament, systeme is favorable for us... For 1 match only.

[hallow sundial]

U took way to long for that boi. Cmon do it for me otherwise I will even cry more. That's such a meme haha. I want to see you in this position u would be the first one to go crazy xdddd.

[limber lintel]

guys calm down,
Sirius doesn't decide what happens,
he is trying his best,

show some respect going his way,
and he will be respectful back,
and actually listen to what you have to say

[ornate wren]

For me this isn’t even about this match.
Yes we don’t think it’s fair, but there is a much bigger problem here.

And that is that the entire credibility of the tournaments held by wg will come into question until they give valid reasons for their decision despite no player or spec complaining or noticing and all the evidence of the battles.

Where does it stop? They can just do whatever and say whatever they like to justify it and we just have to accept it and go on?
This is not about this match. This is about much more than that now.

[visual tendon]

@ornate wren I totally agree with you, I was only responding to Ely who was speaking of irony yesterday... but yes, this is a bigger pb, sadly, playing Wot Blitz's tournament is accepting these sh*t situation... today they give us a chance, tomorrow they'll fk us

[unborn oak]

True that

[lunar stirrup]

Ahahaha Im done 😂
Every single championship there is a drama. You should create a new series « Wg » on Netflix 🍿

[fast hare]

Ely#7777 was muted

[median basin]

Lmao

[dry heron]

Uf who do that xD

[tropic vapor]

There would be so many seasons😂

[upper oar]

@dry heron please treat the WG employees with respect, even if you disagree with their stance

[cyan timber]

Mojkar will direct them

[vital obsidian]

Let WG fix the issues the way it is possible to do for the whole system not to crash

[visual tendon]

@hallow sundial to answer you, I'm not trying to justify myself, I just show how ironic is this situation. Don't be so mad dude^^ Its just a video game for phone, even the dev don't care about their own game hahaha. Drink you favorite soda and prepare yourself to play tonight ! Isn't that the goal of the game ? friendly and positive vibes for you
https://tenor.com/view/hug-hugs-sorry-happy-thanks-gif-8061634

[analog osprey]

@visual tendon tritu..

[unborn oak]

https://tenor.com/view/zach-galifianakis-funny-laugh-laughing-weird-laugh-gif-3547058

[shrewd iron]

I am so keen about today's eu stream.... or this chat after it 😂

[thorn shale]

@shrewd iron imagine if snty wins today...it will be peak drama

[thorn tinsel]

Im pipoudou and i have a grosse queue

[lunar stirrup]

If snty wins, go for a second rematch xd@thorn shale

[cold mica]

@thorn tinsel Im Arouf, and I have grosses fesses

[frigid aurora]

well first of all the problem is not in credibility of wg’s actions right now, but in finding a proper way to resolve the situation with technical issues. if they happened and someone noticed then there was an issue and some battles must have been unfair. replaying the matches objectively also isn’t a fair option either. then need to try and offer a suitable compromise so sirius can consider ur opinion, bcus right now its like complaining abt all and nothing. 1 turkish amk called Onur once told me that kids talk about problems, and mature people find solutions, which is hard to disagree with.
it’s wg’s game, and it should stop at a point when we all offer a nice solution without shitstorming, but thats never happening, because the ones who got affected by the issue (i’m not thx to god eg didnt even qualify to this bugged tour this time kek) prefer crying about it over the needed option. yea they can do whatever they want because its their game, and yes u either cope with their decisions, handle them and keep playing or don’t participate in tourneys and uninstall the game. not saying thats how i would put it, but that’s literally what zloydd said a couple of months ago.
if that doesn’t sound fine to u - offer something yourself

[cyan timber]

Just uninstall ~ zloydd

[ornate wren]

I can’t argue with the points you make.
But surely you can empathise with the fact that we just want a reason to why if all parties are happy for them to press ahead with this agenda. It was the first thing that was announced. “Matches have to be replayed”
There was no effort to try and find a solution.
The message of yours I’m replying to shows you saying the same thing earlier pretty much anyway.

But re: positive action
Good idea!

Shall we make our own tours? €2 entry for each player - All money goes to prize money plus any sponsorship money? 😉👌

[devout cairn]

I vote for u. #NextPresident

[versed field]

I can put like 20euros in or more by ez if just things goes like they should there is always organizing problems in community tourney 😂

[thorn shale]

@versed field you guys should beat VE1L second team

[frigid aurora]

cis already r practicing this, sometimes pays off, sometimes doesn’t, depends on organization, as a way to enrich comp scene its nice, im surprised nobody organized something like this on eu before
but theres no agenda regarding replaying the matches. it’s the most obvious solution, if there are better ones offered im sure sirius and knopka will consider. bcus there were recently some exceptions for rules in tourneys, and they’re actually nice and way more understanding than the staff members i personally encountered beforehand which fortunately are no longer responsible for tournament section and hopefully will never be

[devout cairn]

Omg. U speak like a Super President

[tropic vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-umm-what-what-gif-14694719

[crisp shore]

Let me plan a competitive league for the EU server then 🤔

[unborn oak]

They didnt beat them yesterday. Maybe veil had some luck but the table could have been turned around.

[thorn shale]

Do one for na too - make it so top teams will actually play

[crisp shore]

can the matches be held earlier though so the EU streamers can stream the games? 🤔

[fast hare]

курю бананы#5621 has been warned.

[shrewd summit]

Not even Russian it's literally just a bunch of letters jumbled together

[thorn shale]

off

[vocal warren]

When will the season live streams start? (For professional tournaments)

[unborn oak]

Earlier ? Cant. Since veil still has to play the first match remember? Because only our score wasnt counted apart from the others

[crisp shore]

No I was talking about the NA server community tournament league.

[thorn shale]

We already had smth like that last summer organized by Sayten but I think it's actually a great idea to build up a kind of "league" where you can register as a clan, (maybe for money what bella already said, maybe for free) and then play against every other clan in the league until we have 8 best and do smth like playoffs in the nba

[crisp shore]

We had multiple ones before from the BEC (inc. ones by Sayten) and they are very good. I do have a basic idea for a 2-league tournament. I think if I have a better idea and if I can consult other streamers, I could pitch my idea with the BEC community and see I can do anything from it.

[vital obsidian]

Please no more big tours when 4 majors by wg. Unless winter/summer shrink in battle days

[fast hare]

_Aegean#0428 has been warned.

[green orchid]

it ceases to amaze me how much degeneracy this channel can offer

[flat goblet]

🤫

[limber lintel]

yes

[thorn shale]

Is there a place in one team free

[proper river]

#tourneys-team-search

[crisp shore]

Because of the technical difficulties, tonight we have rematches as we have 3very and Fugit following AQVA and -BPS- tonight respectively. I will be back against 7URKS as they have a rematch against RA1D.

3very: https://youtu.be/_1j0-6FHVbU
Fugit: https://youtu.be/B9RDULCVvSg
Wildoneshelper: https://youtu.be/HUpa5RnRU8E

[olive patio]

Bruh 2-0

[dry heron]

bruh

[dreamy ridge]

no

[olive patio]

SNTY played well

[patent quartz]

now it's time to make it clear to everyone, i'm now talking to the streamers claiming we played it unfair, i'm not gonna quote them they'll recognize themselves, before claiming that we are the ones in fraud, on an oppurtunity wargaming themselves gave us, so now i'll make it clear (none of my mates is involved in me writting this msg), i have never heard any of u talking about any of the teams among the top16 actually abusing the system to make it easy for them nor shaming any of them, even tho they're the ones in fraud, therefore i dont see a single point in you doing bad advertisement for our team, for something we're not even responsible for and we did not choose anytime,because of that we are currently getting tens of messages calling us shame of EU, if your only goal is to make views on top of something that shouldn't even be drama then don't ever consider having support from us, that being said, i'll apply a simple and efficient rule till this is over, speech is silver but silence is gold.

[analog osprey]

@leaden belfry

[leaden belfry]

You've obviously not watched my streams then, as I've always called teams out for the winrate abusing, and everything else.

I also never said that you played unfair, I said the win wasn't deserved and the match shouldn't even have happened

There shouldn't even have been a rematch to begin with

[green orchid]

🍿

[harsh ember]

@green orchid let’s wait for the NA wr abusers to come crying after they can’t even make top 8 with 2 100% accounts

[jade spoke]

PeepoSip

[leaden belfry]

I'm not even streaming any of the matches so far, so it's nothing to do with views or any such. Again if you think that, you've clearly never watched my content to begin with or ever talked to me. I think that teams - not limited to snty - choosing to replay the matches they lost yesterday isn't sportive behaviour

[forest matrix]

I dont understand why u need to justify especially this way.
U guys are a true competitive team, taking part in a very tough competition and everyone knows what effort it takes. U played the chance that was offered. It is unfair for BPS. Sure. I see this like reproaching players to dive in football to get a penalty. It’s kinda unsportsmanlike but that what happens when stakes are high and comp is close.
I feel that the way you try to justify cause of the winrate seeding etc... makes not much sense tbf that’s just the dark side of competition.
Good luck to bps and snty for last steps and I hope everyone will chill with this. (And foremost that WG will finally change their system to let people chill...)

[thorn shale]

Pogchamp

[leaden belfry]

@forest matrix that last bit especially >.>

[steep prawn]

Dont worry guys, we'll clap both if needed 🙂

[green orchid]

Shut up Winch

[latent olive]

just to be clear, I expressed in my stream that I felt totally heartbroken for BPS, who are the party that suffered from this. I mentioned that I couldnt be overly elated after that game (BPS v SRNTY) towards SRNTY but not because of any abuse or underhanded tactics. It is always a tricky situation and I stated neither clan is to blame for the situation and with the Top 8 being so close its a tricky call. Should SRNTY give BPS the game, which might be good sportsmanship but would then show SRNTY competitive. Whichever way that game went people wouldve been upset one way or the other. I did not and would never rage any hate towards any clan whatsoever I even didnt rage on the APA v APA game although I did express my disappointment which I am entitled to do. I have never streamed these tours for views or subs and I for one never ever do drama, not once. Whatever anyone may think, I do think BPS got the rough end of the stick and I expressed that because they did suffer and I feel for them there.

[analog osprey]

SNTY* zebi

[leaden belfry]

Also, just to be clear - I saw you say on stream you're getting death threats over this. Regardless of what's going on, that is -never- okay and is utterly disgusting

[crisp shore]

I agree with Shogun on this. HSOP, SNTY and RA1D were given the opportunity to overturn the results of yesterday and SNTY did. I still stand by my point that the rematches should not have happened based on the argument that there is no evidence that the data corruption bug has affected the battle dynamics, and hence the results of yesterday should be recorded. I feel especially sorry for -BPS- for having their previous legitimate result overturned because of an unfortunate bug. I mentioned also Wargaming is at fault of letting this happening in the first place and questioning their final decision in the end. All of us streamers did talk about teams using 100% wr accounts to their advantage to boost their seeding and we expressed our disappointment with this. I expressed my disappointment at that Wargaming has allowed phantom teams to operate during the season. I also expressed my disappointment at which Wargaming did not start an investigation on a particular team for the use of emulators and account sharing, and APA 2nd team deliberately losing to their 1st team. However, that being said, we streamers also have the right to express our disappointment at that the fair results yesterday were not upheld despite conducted in a fair manner.

None of us streamers are in anyway trying to take any advantage of controversies to gain more views and attention.

And to further Amaunet85's point, it is absolutely appalling that some members are receiving death threats and that is never acceptable.

[young ravine]

Guys I got question about your opinion. should flying turrets be banned in tournaments? I just ahd a situation on coins today where a turret l felt on tank of my mate, and he lost 1000HP. Its rare but can really affect match results.

[unborn oak]

What i think. This is going way to far. It is an game and yes people will do anything to take advantage of these kind of things. We ve1l got lucky, i feel bad for bps but i also understand srnty. Both top8 worthy.. Its just sad they were both being part of this server issue , but sometimes to better to move on then just have these kinds of discussions. Now lets calm this down , have an beer or an smoke. It helps (even if i say it myself)

[analog osprey]

AQVA>EG- @steep prawn

Firstly Good night
Secondly EG-

[thorn shale]

Yes oui

[steep prawn]

We saw that 😘

[green orchid]

EG trash @steep prawn imagine not being 1st place after skipping a tour and being 25 cups behind 1st place 😂

[wet tide]

Nabs 1000%
Imagine not standing 1st place in the leaderboard every tour pffff
still has to play his first ever pro tour

[thorny carbon]

It’s like saying an ammo rack or low roll caused you to lose the game. It’s rng. You know the risks you take.

[young ravine]

Okay I see a point, sorry, got mad ngl...

[warped patrol]

😴

[cyan timber]

What about ernest aimbot the biggest issue we are ignoring now

[flat goblet]

In my opinion, ammo rack and fire should be changed for tournament gameplay (less RNG, more tactik) but that would probably lead to a slippery slope. Same with damage roll RNG, might be good to see that sort of thing normalized in tournament gameplay. Flying turrets should be considered as well. Dispersion has to stay for obvious reasons though.

Though, the factor of chance does "make things interesting" in some sense, I don't think it should play a big factor in competitive gameplay.

[shrewd summit]

The whole point of comp is people watch though, while I might sound rude it matters more about, "will the viewers watch" then it does "how are the regulations"

[ornate wren]

I apologise if you guys have suffered any of that. It’s not acceptable as it’s not your fault at all. You were sporting about it by agreeing there was no issue in game or disputing the score and were willing to accept the score if WG could apply it. and You, like us have been caught in the middle.

It could have easily been the other way around in the first game anyway so we may have been given a second chance.
A couple screen shots below of a conversation I had with someone earlier on my stance on the situation.

We don’t hold any grudges against SNTY and wish you the best of luck in future tours and congratulations on your win today. Gg ❤️

It’s over now. We all move on to next tour 👌

[patent quartz]

🙏

[urban river]

❤️

[analog osprey]

@ornate wren thx < 3

[clever wadi]

@ornate wren ❤️

[dreamy adder]

si toi qui cry

[proper river]

when there will be 5v5 tournaments (quick) 🤔

[untold tinsel]

Idek what happened. NA just big chillin rn lmao

[atomic tartan]

Ikr NA so chill you might forget to look where you’re driving when you cross a bridge 😬

[vagrant phoenix]

Agree 100%

[untold tinsel]

Did that happen to me. Or am I missing something

[cold dew]

he's referencing tanner ramp

[surreal hinge]

t a n n e r r a m p

[winged saffron]

Was just a lag spike

https://imgur.com/a/FdMk9Nf

[sinful crest]

@winged saffron it was server lag

[next trellis]

LMAO

[mental pivot]

wait how is pramo loss to purpls, they are firs and purpls is 10s

[next trellis]

Yea, kinda weird isnt it....

[mental pivot]

sory my englis is bad XD

[ember turret]

Good question

@winged saffron Brooo don't you hate when you lag off that bridge

[pale finch]

I’m sure he had a massive ping spike

[patent quartz]

a massive chain of event lead him to hit the ground quite hard seems like

[ancient shard]

server lag sometimes 🤦‍♂️

[winter swallow]

Or implement a higher standard tournament structure lol 😆

On balance - I'd like to think that WG have enough information at their end, and predetermined thresholds, for when a replay/do-over of certain fixtures is permissable.

For example, when X number of players experience Y amount of packet loss/W frequency of server side ping spikes, in Z number of battles in a fixture, a repeat of the match will be held if requested.

[tired prawn]

How about fixing the lag in general?

[shrewd iron]

😅😅😅

[limber lintel]

what are you on about, make a copy paste of a tier VII light tank, and sell it for over €40, big brain, massive stonks

[tired prawn]

Sorry pal, my bad 🤦🏻‍♂️

[gilded sentinel]

Tournament MM need to be change or put more restrictions on abusing the system with re-rolls accounts, these accounts not even being part of the matches.

[thorn shale]

Hello

[pastel tartan]

ah yes, make dumb comments and dont give suggestions and just cry about everything all the time, an even massiver stonks

[turbid sinew]

ah bah yes

[limber lintel]

haha lol, don't go too fast, I've been making propositions for seeding systems, discussing a lot and I have been having debates, don't go monkey for one satirical comment, maybe read what I wrote before this, instead of assuming from 1 fking message, sorry for not being polite in the message above, but like shut up and read a bit first

[pastel tartan]

i do, i just havent seen a lot of sense from you (: if thats my opinion either ignore or accept it

[limber lintel]

when have I not made sense, cus I want to know, give arguments for your opinion and I might change my "non-sensical" thoughtprocess, I'm open for criticism, but actually criticize the things that didn't make sense to you

[pastel tartan]

nah, i dont feel like it, especially since you mentioned satire in your previous message and clearly didnt notice the one in mine (:

[dim river]

yo this channel should be renamed #drama

[limber lintel]

I mean in yours it wasn't very clear tho

[molten laurel]

🐒

[thorn shale]

Δράμα, not drama

[crisp shore]

Shakespeare's drafts, not Δράμα

[thorn shale]

the channel is δράμα, not Shakespeare's drafts.

[chilly hemlock]

100%

[green orchid]

With tournaments comes competition and that leads to drama. I really don’t see where the confusion lies.

[winter swallow]

don't be absurd.

[winter swallow]

tbh just rename the whole server to Drama Factory and make the channels different flavour. here, one finds tournament flavoured drama. In the balance department, you can try annihilator and smasher flavoured drama. etc. etc. etc. 😄

Anyways - o7

Nice to see PRAMO cleaning up NA - not surprising but still good to see 💪

[chilly hemlock]

Thanks man. We’ve missed you commentating! There’s a lot that needs cleaning up elsewhere though.

[winter swallow]

Cheers pal! What needs cleaning up? So far everything in tournaments seems to be going great! purposefully avoids looking at the discussion above

[chilly hemlock]

This channel contains a lot of it lol

The win rate rigging is honestly pathetic. Both by teams and by wg for knowing it exists and yet continues to allow it

However. I would tolerate it if it meant a whole new system of seeding was to be released for spring

One that is based on the win rate and damage of the team at the tier of the tournament

The fact that tier 10 tournaments aren’t solely based on tier 10 stats 5 or 6 years into tournaments is rather sad to me

What is the relevance of someone stat padding in tier 3-4 if they’re in a tier 10 tournament?

[winter swallow]

Yes. Preach. I 100% agree on both counts. On the bright side, it only really hurts smaller servers (like EU, NA and Asia) and even then doesn't disrupt the Top 4 too much. WR manipulation just messes up the final placement of the top 16-5 (IMO).

[thorn shale]

I’ll be happy with even weighted wr seeding by spring :/

[next trellis]

I was hoping after fall season wg would've changed the way seeding for PYS tournaments worked, but ig not. Maybe for spring they will make a much needed change 🙏

[near anvil]

If we could fix the issue of clans in the same family thr*wing to each other along with the seeding that would be lovely

[winter swallow]

tbh that issue is not connected to clan families but clans on friendly terms - it will always persist. You'd need a match review committee to determine if games were thrown and it is very hard to prove

[chilly hemlock]

It’s funny you mention clans throwing to each other when it happens every season especially when people aren’t streamed

[green plover]

Seems to always happen between the same clan family though. Weird circumstances if you would word it that way. 🤷‍♂️

[thorn shale]

Lmaooo

[crisp shore]

Realistically it is unfeasible to fix the issue of clans in the same alliance benefiting each other. Like RollingSwarm said, a match review committee would help, but proving directly that there is anti-competition is really hard. Unfortunately, we have to rely on the integrities of all the clans, hoping they will introduce fair competition in the server.

[near anvil]

Yes it does, and I think it would be great if we could stop that

[thorn shale]

Maybe first stop servers from crashing?

[gilded sentinel]

At that point every single match will need to be streamed and reviewed

[crisp shore]

I don't believe Wargaming has enough manpower for that too. Besides, we also need to define what "anti-competition" means in the context of WoTB tournaments. Do we consider what APA 2nd team did (streamed by Fugit's Blitz during PYS #4) an example of "anti-competition"? Do we consider seeding rigging as "anti-competition"? Do we consider phantom teams as "anti-competition"? This is something that will take some time to discuss openly.

[gilded sentinel]

I totally in agreement with you.

Main issue is really with the seeding system and people trying to rig the system to get benefit of it.

Hopefully WG is reviewing this and take action on it for the upcoming tournaments

[crisp shore]

I also hope WG will see through the fact that no team is perfect, hence no team will always follow the ethics of sportsmanship and fair competition. In order for the tournament scene to grow, stricter measures need to be in place to ensure every team has a fair chance in succeeding. This is something I hope can be discussed openly amongst different parties and be agreed upon in the future seasons.

[near anvil]

IMO- Yes, yes, and yes. I understand wg doesn't have the manpower to monitor throwing and such, but I think we as a community should be less accepting of this type of behavior.

[next trellis]

There honestly could be a monitoring system in place but instead of monitoring every single match, they would just monitor matches between clans of the same family. Ik that is kind of half-baked but I can't think of another solution to the problem other than to shame clans that partake in throwing.

[chilly hemlock]

The more streams the better

[devout raven]

although its partly the servers, your internet connection matters a lot, lag will never be completely fixed

[mint vale]

So from what I’ve read so far, wr seeding is just that; making a brand new account and playing one battle to get a 100% wr and then buying a prem and play only ratings. Please do correct me if I’m wrong with that.

I think the solution to help solve the problem is reworking how new accounts get their initial WR. Instead of playing one battle and then getting ur WR, how for new players, they have to play 100 battles and then the get their WR. Realistically, no player will win 100% of those 100 battles.

[chilly hemlock]

100 is still stupidly low

[atomic tartan]

or you know....just go back to battle weighted winrates

[chilly hemlock]

The previous way is that the win rate was weighted by the total random battle count win rate

[crisp shore]

Has to at least exceed the number of battles that puts you in bot MM

[near anvil]

^^^^^^^^

[next trellis]

^^^^^

[chilly hemlock]

I still want battle weighted win rates based on the tier of the tournament

You can’t stat pad with that

[thorn shale]

For now, they can just add weighted seeding as it doesn’t seem that much work considering it was done before. After winter season until spring, wargaming can work on a new seeding system. This way we can get rid of the 100 wr accounts now and get a better system in the long run

[cold dew]

^

[latent olive]

they are working on fixing the 100% WR issue, just couldnt do it now (winter season). I am however told (on good authority) that it shortly having 100% WR wont give any advantage whatsoever

[fringe galleon]

Bigger issue than seeding imo is that in every season qualifiers last for one month and actual competitive games is over in one week or so. It does not make any sense that best teams fight total newbie teams. Blitz esports will never grow if its going to be like that forever.
I would like to see some kind of "league" system where top8 clans create professional league and 8-16 challengers. And in the end of every season places 7-8 from professionals drops to challengers and 1-2 from challengers will move to professional league. It would be much more interesting for viewers and players. It wouldnt be perfect, but imo that is the way to go with blitz esports. This qualifying system with weeks of pys tournaments is horrible for everyone.

[radiant kelp]

ok

[untold tinsel]

Let’s put it this way. This system of seeding has been here since what the start of tournaments in 2015-16? I fail to understand how it hasn’t changed considering every time there is a pro series tournaments nothing changes and everyone complains about it. I just fail to understand why this hasn’t changed

[crisp shore]

With TheFalconDude mentioning about community tournaments, Wargaming can consider collaborating with the community about holding tournaments together, so the community can get to know more about the logistics from the Wargaming side on holding tournaments.

[limber lintel]

haha read my wr seeding proposal, it's basically that, but per PYS, and different spots define the leagues

[manic pewter]

To be mentioned there was Blitz Int cup in december where wargaming was collaborating. I see they really should do those more and learn themselves too

[tired prawn]

@devout raven as an network admin I can comfortably say; I can fix lagg from my side for about 99%, I can even provide OS which won’t force me to sent packets I don’t want

[devout raven]

👌

[cold dew]

i’m losing my packets

[fast hare]

BASTIC_BOB#4457 was banned

[proper river]

f

[green orchid]

im losing braincells everytime i glance at this channel

[turbid ridge]

Welcome to...

[thorn shale]

World of Tanks Blitz 😎

[lunar stirrup]

I rlly like your suggestion @fringe galleon Idk if u all guys agree but for me too, it seems like the best option (leagues system based on the results [top8-diamond league, top16-Platinium league, top32-gold etc...] of this last wr seeding season) for next championships.
At the end of each season, the first ones go to the upper leagues and the last ones go to the lower ones (depends on the leagues size)
Could be leagues with more than 8 clans, so that there arent too many leagues.

• It encourages the durability of the clans that will have interest in finding players rather than dissolving the clan
  otherwise they will have to start over from the last league (ascent will likely be long)
• The clans palmares will be more valuable

Whats ur opinion about this kind of system @muted ore

[winged saffron]

I would just prefer using tier 10 winrates, I don’t think it needs to be made too complex

[supple hearth]

1 battle in tier 10, 100%

[lunar stirrup]

Why tf stats you do in randoms with baboons in each team (especially in mine 👀) would count for seeding ? U crazy 😂 @winged saffron
Imo, leagues its way better ^

[topaz berry]

🤝

[radiant kelp]

Battle counted wr easy fix

[winged saffron]

My career stats aren’t even good, obviously it would be weighted tier 10, it’s more of the person’s performance at that tier, and teams change every season, you couldn’t tie it to clans

[untold tinsel]

I don’t think it should be stat related I think it should be random so then seeding won’t have anything to do with it and it will be based on luck like the rest of the game. Some may not agree but I’d rather skill come before stats. If you are actually worthy of being a top 8 team then u have to earn it.

[lunar stirrup]

In leagues syst, the performances are privileged
Imo, in cw the wr is insignificant

[royal cradle]

Like this idea aswell

[manic pewter]

Everyone does i believe

[timber drum]

No, I don't like it

I love it

[untold tinsel]

Like I said some people might not like what I have to say but it is MY opinion.

[supple hearth]

It will be dum if a 50% team makes top8, just because they got LUCKY and didn face any good teams

[untold tinsel]

And also if the tournaments are like they are rn it won’t even matter who signs up because all the top 8 ready teams will win finals. And when is a 40% team ever going to make finals when we only get 32 teams each time.

[supple hearth]

this is already a new problem, its a problem with seacon coin tournemtnts

[lunar stirrup]

Enough luck with rng in this game.

• if u want diamond platinium leagues etc prove that u deserve it. @untold tinsel

[lunar stirrup]

@manic pewter everyone does but will wg even consider it 😂
I hope so

[thorn shale]

Bruh

[manic pewter]

I hope so

[limber lintel]

Issue is that binding seedings to clans qnd leagues between seasons is not good, cus clan war players mix and match clans, some clans die and some new clans get created, the leagues across seeedings would mean new clans would have to work multiple seasons to even come close to the top 8, while old clans who lostmtheir cw core are still there, without actually being strong teams, also which mod deleted my message and why?

[shrewd summit]

Don't put files in messages here

If you have something like that, explain it instead or show screenshots

[craggy sapphire]

I think that the way seeding should be is how @untold tinsel put it. But with double elimination so it will be fair to all teams, and would not be influenced by teams making new accounts with 100% or teams purposely lowering/raising their wr to get a favourable bracket. Even if lower skilled teams get "lucky" the amount of tournaments we do currently everyone would have played everyone else at some point or another and the cups would resemble how the team did during the season. Although 2nd day/ticket tournaments would have to be scrapped in favour of more cups per tournament/placing (1st/2nd/3rd/4th), or keeping the current 4 day schedule per week but without a qualifying aspect for the 2nd days. This way the brackets would be fair and would be free from any kind of manipulation.

[cold dew]

I agree

[manic pewter]

And why would it be bad thing if teams would last longer? Teams die and change that much because its easier to make new one but if you lose the spot at top that changes everything

[winged saffron]

Don’t you like some variety between seasons?

[manic pewter]

It is possible to have variety in that system too. But clans dont change that much

[jagged oar]

Ppl proposing a league system won’t enjoy it for too long, if they decide to create a new team. Because then they would potentially have to start from the bottom, which may take months or years to get to top 8 then. So at this point some rating in form of (weighted) WR or performance against stronger teams could come in handy. Overall I do like the idea of leagues, as it does not really make sense to play PYS against some team of 40%ers that only manages to get 4-5 players online on time. Yet some final stage like the pro tourneys would still be great to not have it all depend on multiple months of tournaments, which some may not have the time for.
And stop saying it wasn’t about wr at all, or do u see any team below 60% overall wr on top8? No.
Btw @crisp shore how do u do the ratings of teams, concerning top 8 probability?

[analog osprey]

+1

[analog osprey]

Don’t compare clans to football’s clubs xdd

[crisp shore]

All clans get an initial rating based on a variety of factors before the season. The rating then changes throughout the season through fixture results. Top 8 probability is calculated by the combination of power rating and cups leaderboard

[crisp shore]

We are on the penultimate matchday of Prove Your Skill tournaments. On the Asia server, both Fugit and I are following -ENT- and E4D respectively, with E4D striving for a late surprise to top 8. Find out here:

Fugit's Blitz: https://youtu.be/nk94DAAvPV0
Wildoneshelper: https://youtu.be/SG5dyL9z6Fg

[lunar stirrup]

Exactly

[gleaming pollen]

I think players would change clans rather than create new ones.

[limber lintel]

Yes, but i think that isnt good for the cw scene, it would lock the top 16 teams to clans, and it would make i hard for new clans/teams to make it up the ranks

[manic pewter]

45-55% and 60-70% teams playing against each other is what isnt good for cw scene

Suffocating motivation from first group and making it boring to second

If you look further whats the outcome? I can tell its veterans graveyard

[silver vapor]

Seeding should still be bind to players, and should have the following properties if you want it to be as representative as possible about a player's ability to play in tours:

1. Seeding value should not be based on any game mode other than tournaments
2. Seeding value should not consider ancient achievements/ tournaments, so should be a recent thing
3. It should not be farmable, whether it be in quantity by spamming or quality by "bullying" weaker teams (meaning there should be some form of a cap)

An example of this is in the original message.

[crisp shore]

I think the layout that Wargaming has for the seasonal tournaments puts a huge emphasis on the qualifiers for the main event, which shouldn't be the case. I believe Wargaming should put more attention to the Season Championship and Challengers Tournament with a tweak in the number of pre-qualified teams and the commencement of play-offs. I think the format for the 2 stages is fine, just that the balance needs to be tipped towards the 2nd stage more.

We also have the Season Coins Tournament, which is a great alternative to non-competitive teams to have a taste in tournaments, but that should not be played under the strongest-weakest principle in order not to suffocate motivation just like what laze said. Obviously, it should not clash with PYS.

Wargaming should also provide more clan-specific benefits so that competitive players can use these tools to further strengthen their skills in clan wars. Currently, it is easy to start a new clan with very competitive players and still do well with the new clan. If we can treat clans more like brands than just a name to participate in tournaments, we can then start to think of tournament formats based on veteran teams more.

[crisp shore]

Now on the EU server, 3very, Fugit and I will be following CARNA, SNTY and VE1L respectively. Nikolaus is following 7URKS, which is streamed in Turkish. Currently, CARNA, SNTY and VE1L are not safe in the top 8, while the 5th place to the 11th place only differs by about 800 cups. Absolutely a lot of things can be changed during PYS #7. Follow everything here:

3very: https://youtu.be/7Hpf2_zrCkw
Fugit's Blitz: https://youtu.be/rA7ot0VPKMc
Wildoneshelper: https://youtu.be/6PufYOmQTPY

[haughty hinge]

@muted ore check pm please, its something important

[chilly hemlock]

Lol if you think you’re getting a response

[thorn shale]

Ribble responds tho.

[steel shell]

sirius does as well

[proper river]

Sirius and knopka*

[sinful crest]

They respond it’s just since they’re busy you’ll get a late response

[dreamy wasp]

hey

[wicked breach]

If you don’t play in the prove your skills, can you still participate in the actual tournament?

[crisp shore]

If you mean Winter Season Championship or Challengers Tournament, iirc yes you can

[wicked breach]

Nvm got it answered, thanks though

[crisp shore]

Finally on the NA server, 3very, Fishy, iNeear and I are back with _V_, GG-, GOSU and NAPS respectively. iNeaar is streaming in Spanish and will we see GOSU going all the way to tomorrow's stage? Meanwhile, NAPS needs an exit to their recent mediocre form with a strong performance in two nights. Find out more:

3very: https://youtu.be/FderMTprcWI
Fishy: https://youtu.be/Zh4YbzS-9Bs
Wildoneshelper: https://youtu.be/VvN1_C9RUPg

[sinful crest]

@muted ore @frosty nexus if i were to leave my current clan right now , can I still participate in winter season Professional series and receive rewards?

[jade vigil]

Got an issue in which I heard people got banned from tournament due to account sharing. Does using a VPN or proxy count towards it?

[thick elk]

No, they have said they can tell

[untold tinsel]

@sinful crest depends on if the clan is making top 8 that u are leaving to. But it so then yes but not if pro series tickets are distributed to that clan. At that point it is too late. But yes you can. Or if u mean will you get rewards if you just left the clan them idk

[crisp shore]

We are at the final stage of PYS#7. On the Asia server, Fugit is still on -ENT- while I am on FEAST after E4D was knocked out yesterday.

Fugit's Blitz: https://youtu.be/9io6BQEK7ng
Wildoneshelper: https://youtu.be/LQnmzy-xHHY

[winter swallow]

Keep up the great work Wilds

[crisp shore]

Cheers man!

[thorn shale]

@crisp shore yea I wanted to say to both you and @pastel tartan massive props for streaming on NA. Having seen the toll it takes scheduling wise congratulations are definitely in order.

[pastel tartan]

thanks a lot mate!

[crisp shore]

Cheers mate!

[tired prawn]

♿♿♿

[winter swallow]

Yep. NA timezone is hell.

[analog osprey]

#2NDVe1lTeamOut

[crisp shore]

My huge admiration to 3very actually because he has to stream from 3 am to 5 am, which is absolutely dreadful

[pastel tartan]

well lets just ignore yesterday ya? 👀

[solar coral]

why not every 2nd team out then? their skill shouldnt matter, btw at the current state monik aint even top 16 on ru but that doesnt matter because skill level is not a rule, you cant put regulations for skill that would be a meme. If that does matter we will just call our own team 2nd team:))) you blame us for using 2nd team just because they succeed not because they are a 2nd team. Ofc the frustration is understandable but let wg limit it to 1 team for next season then, tbf that is the only way to balance it up and personally I would prefere that

[crisp shore]

set an alarm clock

[pastel tartan]

i dont hear them

[winter swallow]

1 team per clan in the pro league should logically entail one team per clan in the PYS /Ascents

[latent olive]

or like I suggest field as many teams as you like but identify your 'main' team and only that teams cups count

[pastel tartan]

i agree on the limitation of 1 team/clan in the general tournament scene, excluding fun modes and quick tournaments/off-season

[crisp shore]

A fixed roster (could be up to 15-20 players) in the last 4 PYS, together with 1 team per clan or the identification of the main team, could help plug the loopholes associated with mercenary teams, which can be in the form of a second team or the only team of the clan (while the eligible players are given to rest).

[jolly kite]

@winter swallow
We missed hearing your comment on the matches Hope you come back soon to comment
Sorry for my bad English 😅😅

[latent olive]

why though? Clans have 50 players and if half wish to play tours then why should they be restricted? I dont think they should but I do think that if clans do field more than 1 team then they must state who is the '1st' team and only that gets cups. That allows for players other than just 9 to take part, allows for clans to rotate players inter-clan to field the best team but also ensures that no clan gains a benefit from fielding more than one team as only the 1st team has the cups counted.

[crisp shore]

The main issue is whether the team you are seeing in the next stage, i.e. Winter Season Championship or Challengers Tournament, accurately represents the clan's overall performance during the PYS. Under the current rules, you are allowed to field an ineligible team that is very strong to play in PYS, only then to field an eligible team that plays sporadically or much weaker in WSC/CT. This can be done in the form of one single team, or more. However, I think this will be a disaster for the viewership experience and for the allegedly stronger teams below them in the leaderboard.

As such, we want to see a team that accurately represents the clan during the PYS, while not benefiting from a much stronger team which is ineligible to play in the WSC/CT in the end.

[wet tide]

Exactly. If a clan has 2 teams that want to play go to a subclan.

[latent olive]

The like I said make the clans identify the 1st team and only that team gets cups, problem solved.

[crisp shore]

There has been a lot of focus with 2 teams but also you can consider 1 team example, which in my opinion is equally as bad. Under current rules, if you know you are unable to reach to WSC/CT stage after a few PYS, you can reach out to another much stronger foreign team to play for you under your clan tag, only then to switch out that foreign team and use your original team to play in WSC/CT stage. So far I have not seen this happen on the EU server yet but this is entirely possible.

[wet tide]

How would one make it so ‘this is first team’, then you’d have to lock players to a team, meaning not able to switch players. Otherwise 2nd team can be stated main team cuz they earn points and then when final season tours hits the 2nd team goes off. (Because you are able to swap players in the clan)

[pastel tartan]

u just set it individually for each tournament

[latent olive]

There is no rule stating you cannot field players from another region in PYS and certainly nothing preventing it. There is a rule, used in off-lines and again in BlitzCup, limiting to 2 players from another region but that is not extended to all tours (presently).
@wet tide You dont need to lock players into a team at all you just need to field a team from the clan. The issue as I see it is that in some cases the 2nd team does better than the 1st or main team and thus cups are gained in an apparent underhanded manner (alleged). If you must identify the 'main' team then only that team cups are counted and the 2nd team, regardless of well they do, dont give a benefit cup wise. This eliminates the current arguments of 2nd teams winning for the main team

[crisp shore]

In this case, that means we can set the "2nd team" as the main team, isn't it? Then are we allowed to field the "1st team" to play in WSC/CT?

[winter swallow]

I miss commentating them tbh. But no regrets lol - if I had to choose between realities, I still pick the one where I don't commentate and ATGMs aren't in the core game.

Loving the commentary by everyone else though and 100% don't miss staying up all night to cover NA 😁

[wet tide]

But if a clan uses the 2nd team to win (as in assign 2nd team as main for cups) the cups and then swaps the players with main team because they aren’t locked, then it’s still useless. Also, I believe WG should apply the regulations that count for the final tour to the PYS too. Otherwise you get the situation like now when russian teams earn points to get a certain team in top8 whilst they (main) might not have gotten there on own strength.

[winter swallow]

@latent olive I do however think there needs to be a control on mercenary players and their tickets/cups etc.

[latent olive]

@crisp shore what are you on about? No you set the 1st team at the outset simple as that. There are literally 2 ways to go here, either remove the ability of any clan to field more than 1 team, which I disagree with because then it prevents others from playing or you find a way so other than the current system to ensure that only 1 team gains cups. @wet tide why is it useless? If the rules are made so that players from other regions are prevented fully from taking part in any comp in another server then why would it be an issue? The idea is to increase CW participation not restrict it so limiting clans to 1 team makes zero sense. Yes only 1 clan goes into the final comp stage but thats always been the case. Lots of clans field more than 1 team for numerous reasons. @winter swallow I dont disagree that so called 'mercenary' players should be controlled, but that is something WG needs to plug. As I have said numerous times clans will always find a loophole to gain an advantage and WG need to shut those loopholes. Until they are shut and no rules are being broken then the clans cannot strictly be accused of stuff. I have said this over the RA1D tickets and the 100% WR's. If the rules arent breached then there is no illegal activity really. It may not best sportmanship, but in all pro sports lines are bent rather than broken (cricket with ball tampering, football with feigning injury). The organisers need to close the loops and if clans then break them throw the book at them, simple. Alas I am all for rules and in the absence of such rules then I do not favour branding any clan guilty until proven so. We may have suspicions, like emulators, rigging and such, and we may not think its morally acceptable and we are free to voice that ofc, but morally wrong and a breach of rules are 2 different things because sometimes peoples morals (oddly) differ.

[winter swallow]

Agreed until something is illegal in the rules we can't hold it against the teams/players as such.

But yes we can absolutely deride them for being unsporting.

[latent olive]

And I have no issue with that because we are all entitled to our views and opinions and quite rightly we are entitled to express those and debate those without degenerating. I never said I condone such action nor do I defend any action that seeks to gain an unfair advantage across any format, not just Tours. However, as a lawyer by trade I am all for rules and it is that part that needs addressing. Have non-ambiguous and all encapsulating rules in place then most issues become more straight forward and I am all for throwing the book at anyone or any clan from breaking the rules laid down

[wet tide]

@latent olive well if we do not lock the players from main team we can still easily have 2nd team earn the points and let main team play the final tours., thats why the ‘assign 1 team to earn points’ won’t help. It will only reduce the chances of having a benefit on 2 teams playing, but since 2nd is already better than main what’s the odds on main getting more cups than 2nd.

[latent olive]

Oh and the reason I mention the differing morals is that SNTY have been subjected to unsporting conduct shouts since the re-run, whereby many held that they should lost to BPS 2nd time, as they lost 1st time. Is that fair? Was it unsporting? Some would argue yes whereas others will consider that they were given an opportunity to advance which they took. SNTY broke no rules and whilst morally some may think they shouldve let BPS win then consider this, doing that they WOULD have broken the rules by rigging the game. This is why rules are so important

@wet tide If you mean VE1L, which I assume, then that is not the case at all. The 1st team has earned cups in its own right and more than the 2nd team have earned so its not correct to say the 2nd team is better than the 1st team. Yes VE1L did benefit from its 2nd team in 1 PYS, but so have other clans tbf.

[wet tide]

Though you could argue that because of wargaming’s mistake bps lost its well deserved points. I find it not sportive to make use of the situation like this, and in my eyes letting bps win wouldn’t be rigging, but ey, competition is competition. About ve1l, am not talking about them as of now but as what will come in the future if we don’t hold it. It’s a small start regarding ‘rigging with 2 teams’ and we should pay attention to that too.

[crisp shore]

what are you on about? No you set the 1st team at the outset simple as that. There are literally 2 ways to go here, either remove the ability of any clan to field more than 1 team, which I disagree with because then it prevents others from playing or you find a way so other than the current system to ensure that only 1 team gains cups.
Do you also set the team to represent the Winter Season Championship or Challengers Tournament? Otherwise, like what Seek says, you can assign the main team to be the "2nd team" that plays better than the "1st team" all the time during PYS, and then field the weaker "1st team" for the Winter Season Championship or Challengers Tournament, which does not solve the root problem at all.

What I am merely pointing out is a loophole that teams can use to arguably unfairly give the clan an advantage over others in terms of qualification to the Winter Season Championship or the Challengers Tournament.

Wargaming should plug the loopholes but if teams are participating in the tournaments in an unsportmanlike manner, then they should be held accountable.

Also all the situations I mentioned is not something that has been explicitly found yet, but some early signs do suggest such loopholes can be used and induce "anti-competition", akin to what Seek was saying.

[latent olive]

@wet tide actually its a totally valid situation. SNTY were caught between a rock and a hard place, demonised for winning and potentially in trouble if they rolled over. Its not unsporting, both clans had exactly the same advantage as the previous day and it was neither clans fault but WG's error. Same applies in most situations I am afraid. We bemoan bad sportmanship, but in truth it is WG's lack of rules that allows clans to do many of things that we consider orally wrong but not a breach. If the rules were more inclusive and less ambiguous then these issues wouldn't arise so often

@crisp shore No you either get into Challengers or you get into Pro tour - there is no 2 bites after PYS. The whole aim is to get into the Pro tour, not the challengers. What you are arguing is that certain clans are fielding 2nd teams that have players from other servers, which is not against the rules. Either remove the ability to field players form other regions or remove the ability of clans fielding more than 1 team. At the end of the day demonising a clan for not breaking the rules is unfair and unjust. By all means express your views to be debated but attack the lack of rules rather than the clans ability to use whatever they can at their disposal. Thats like arguing that tours need to have fixed tanks/meta because not everyone has a certain tank. Again, dont demoinise the clan, remove the ability to field prem/collector tanks - simple

[wet tide]

Completely agree, it’s WG’s fault. I understand snty’s decision, just also sad that bps got affected because of it. WG really has to update their tournament rules regarding these issues/solve problems accordingly to prevent such conflicts from happening in the future. Otherwise the only thing that will happen is clans moan about others killing the community...

[latent olive]

^^^^ @wet tide and that is my entire argument, dont demonise the clans, unless they are in breach of the rules in place. The failing is from the side that organises not the playing side and until WG address the issue these issues and more will keep coming. Have robust, fair and reasonable rules and if clans/players break them then throw the book at them. In other words pressure WG to make the changes rather than point fingers at the clans/players unless they have broken the rules. That is something I totally agree with!

[crisp shore]

I think you missed point here what I was trying to make. Yes WG's rules are faulty and such, that allows certain ideas to be implemented that can be perceived as "anti-competition". My argument was not about that Wargaming could ban clans fielding a 2nd team made up of completely foreign players. My argument was about how clans are able to field a totally different team that does not represent the main team in the end under the current system, be in the format of being the only team, or the second team of the clan, or be it the team be completely foreign or even local. It has always been me trying to argue that there needs to be something from WG side to address the loophole and fix it.

My point is about whether you can field a completely different team from the usual team from the PYS to either Challengers or Professionals, and I think a completely different team is not ok. I agree that the lack of rules should be attacked and I do agree should not be demonised for something that is not written in the rules, but we should always advocate for fair competition.

[latent olive]

The rules allow you to field any player in the clan, simple. Players from other regions are allowed to join clans in other regions, that is perfectly fair and in PYS there is no rules saying that you must only field players from a specific region. If the argument is that players have been brought into the clan with better skills then why is that an issue? Where in the rules does it say clans cannot do this? I get your point but its moot because the rules allow it to happen. Instead of shooting down the clans who are not breaking any rules pressure WG to amend the rules, simple as that

[crisp shore]

That is what I'm trying to bring about. We should pressure WG to amend the rules. I am not merely shooting down any clan (in fact I have not mentioned any clan here) from what I said in this channel. I do not dispute the rule that allows teams to field any player in the clan, nor the rule that players from other regions have no restrictions to participate in PYS. I was never arguing by the rules in the first place.

The issue lies within whether the team you are seeing during the next stage, that is either Winter Season Championship or Challengers Tournament, is an accurate representation of the clan through the clan's performance during PYS. Currently the rules have loopholes and I hope Wargaming is able to plug these loopholes, so that the representation of the team during the next stage is as accurate as possible.

[green orchid]

Nice emulators souls.

[barren gate]

APATTARDÉS. Btw +1 shokk

[latent olive]

its one of those touch pc things that is allowed

[untold tinsel]

You physically can’t play mouse and keyboard unless ur pc is touch. Or the controls will be borked

[dreamy ridge]

🧑‍🏫

[thorn shale]

do u know theres a thing called emulators?

[untold tinsel]

If it was played on an emulator it would be shown as the player playing on mobile

[thorn shale]

D:

[cyan timber]

♿

[austere forge]

I want to see wargaming to institute a tourney for everyone else. Set up leagues like the English Premier league where you have set teams and the tournaments are played to move up to the next division. My clan while being a pretty decent tournament clan isn’t going to be able to compete (yet) against Clans like Reign/Pramo.

[crisp shore]

3very, Fishy and I are back on the NA server as we follow _V_, GG- and NAPS respectively. _V_ is looking for a breakthrough to the top 8 tonight and a good run of games can boost their chances. Find out more:

3very: https://youtu.be/1v_QOuNYnPU
Blitz Fish: https://youtu.be/v7C66mGWA5I
Wildoneshelper: https://youtu.be/4fpk1Ivex4c

[austere forge]

@crisp shore tell void to run their meme Strat

[signal nymph]

it's not a charity event

[austere forge]

Never said it was. Having something to play for opens peoples pocket. To work toward those upper levels. Galvanize the player base

[winter swallow]

I agree. One of the huge problems blitz tournaments have always had is that the majors use strongest vs weakest match making.

Major series are the tournaments most people want to play but it's impossible to grow tournaments organically when a new team goes up against 7STAR RGN EG FEAST etc. In round 1 - through these tournaments.

Literally your new team plays 2 battled against a top 8 level team and gets destroyed and doesn't want to come back to tournaments ever again.

In football (soccer) terms - it's like your local club matching against Man United / Chelsea etc. In the first round of any tournament they play in.

It is insanity.

I also agree the majors aren't charity events.

[gaunt mist]

quick tournaments and coin tournaments

[thorn shale]

+1

Introduce leagues so that comp scene can grow organically or atleast make the brackets double elem so that you atleast get a second chance vs a weaker team if you face FEAST or EG in first round

[jaunty talon]

😍

[tired prawn]

♿♿♿

[lusty flint]

💀

[analog osprey]

@green orchid t bo

[muted ore]

Hello.
We are also interested in strengthening clans and improving the system of tournaments.
We are thinking about changing qualifiers and increasing the role of clans in tournaments.

[crisp shore]

As I said it is somewhat inevitable that the qualifiers are given the most attention but not the professional stages under the current format. Unfortunately, the best way is to use strongest-weakest principle for a qualifying stage. Under current context for WoTB, this seems to work out the best.

BUT

We can change the format of the tournaments still. We can have only one qualifying stage per year with PYS. This will then put clans into leagues for the entire year. For Winter, Spring, Summer and Autumn, they will need to fight for promotion or risk relegation through a double round robin. If there are drop outs, we can move the teams from the lower leagues to higher leagues. We can even re-open the qualifying stages for clans not in the league to compete for the next "season" in the lowest league.

[muted ore]

You will be able to participate in the "Winter Season Championship" if:

• You will have a professional ticket
• Your clan will be in the top 8
• You will be invited to join your clan's team

[sinful crest]

Thank you @muted ore

[obsidian burrow]

is using an emulator such as bluestacks disallowed in touch only tournaments?

[crisp shore]

Emulators are obviously disallowed in touch-only tournaments

[obsidian burrow]

I use it on my touchscreen laptop tho as i can get more fps due to the reduced resolution being rendered for blitz. Using the steam or windows store versions gives no options for setting your resolution. is this allowed or is it just insta-ban if you are using an emulator no questions asked. @crisp shore

[tired prawn]

Sorry M8, it’s called compatibility layer, not an emulator.

[obsidian burrow]

Bluestacks? Compatibility layers allow you to translate binary so you can run programs nativly, bluestacks does not do this

[tired prawn]

I’m not relating to Bluestacks, to the screenshoot. Whatever.

[obsidian burrow]

I didn't know this

[random linden]

@muted ore if one team will pass top 8 from the clan, the hole clan still get the proffessional ticket?

[steel shell]

Yes

[crisp shore]

Can't wait to get my pro avatar

[near anvil]

@crisp shore you’re playing t8 with cpg, right 😳

[crisp shore]

I don't even have tanks for that 😂

[pastel tartan]

u just get the ticket, nothing else,noob

[crisp shore]

waaaaaah 😭

[pastel tartan]

u'd have to be in the team, coz otherwise the whole clan would get the avatar and such

[grim shadow]

Lol

[analog osprey]

My move isnt better?

[fringe galleon]

Unluck

[austere forge]

@crisp shore @winter swallow Thats exactly what im talking about. So far in PYS we matched up against Void's practice squad, Void themselves (although not their NA Cup team) Purple and someone else i cant quite recall atm. We dont shy way from that competition because ultimately makes us a better team. But if you go thru the Blitzstars Top 100 clans (last check we are like 136 or some crap like that) only the Top 20 clans or so actually participate in Cup tournaments. So there are 70-80 clans out there in the top 100 that dont even try. Thats a potential of 4,000 players that dont even try to play Tier 10 Tournaments.
We on the other hand are dumb enough to go in night after night and fight to death against who over we draw
as far as the comment about playing in Quick tournaments and Coins tournaments......we play in those too. But they dont necessarily make you better nor am i going to relegate my clan to only playing in those tournaments

[austere forge]

to add to my last comment i never want those top clans that we draw to meme or run some stupid strat. Run your best run your tanks that youd use for the championship

[thorn shale]

@austere forge if you guys reroll, maybe you can have mediocre wr? Right now you guys are on the total bottom for wr and that is why you are getting the good teams. 50 percent is just too low in the comp scene to get paired with mediocre teams

[atomic tartan]

Hmmm you do have a point here. Breaking into comp is brutal to impossible for new teams without “sponsorship” by a major clan.

[austere forge]

@thorn shale i totally understand why we are drawing who we draw. nor do i have issue with that. every championship in the world is top vs bottom. 1v16 2v15 etc etc Im asking for game wide leagues/divisions/echelons to move up to those levels. As Swarm said above Sheffield is never going to beat MAN U but they are in the same league because they played well enough to get there

[atomic tartan]

A while ago, WG proposed different seeding systems. One of them was strongest vs strongest and weakest vs weakest in certain tournaments where the purpose was for similarly skilled teams to face each other. Organized scrims and trainings kinda made it obsolete, and naturally it wasn’t popular with the top clans at the time (they’d be knocking each other out first round and then 40% teams will finish higher overall)

Also, if you cannot defeat a meme strat/lineup, what chances do you have against a real one? Unless you’re just going to try copying the strat, but if you can’t even focus fire and teamplay well enough to take on 7 light tanks then forget trying to properly execute any strat you didnt come up with @austere forge

[thorn shale]

@atomic tartan I honestly think wargaming just make the seeding weighted. It solves basically every problem

[austere forge]

@atomic tartan I watched every minute of all 4 cups this year so hiding a strat behind a meme is utterly pointless. and memes arent strats by pure definition. they are running around in every which direction firing from everywhere there is no focus fire because theres no where to focus fire. not one of the top teams in any of the Cups would run the crap Void ran against us the other night against a fellow pro

[atomic tartan]

if you can't beat Void when they're messing around, why are you asking them to use their real strats then? this is not a scrim. it's a tournament. the only thing that matters for them is to get to the next round, and if they can save their strats on this map and get past you at the same time, they'll do it.

on the other hand, if you actually beat them the first game when they're messing around, you can bet your life that they'll take the second game much more seriously.

[austere forge]

agreed and the first game was damn close

[thorn shale]

That ramp has trapped many a poor soul

😔

[winged saffron]

It has claimed another victim

[tame bone]

“Hole clan” :DDD

[crisp shore]

Behold the truck drivers on Fort Despair

[crisp shore]

I think your whole point centers around making your clan better. Prove Your Skill tournaments or big season tournaments are in theory made for clans who have prepared well enough. In theory, you should be able to be equipped against the really strong teams, if your goal is to achieve something big (top 8/16) in the season. There are more than 11 competitive teams on the NA, and behind the number also lies a lot of competent teams.

Trainings are never obsolete and often a good way to improve your team. I do agree that off-season tournaments should be made in a way that benefits teams that are lowly in the seeding. We had the silver/gold tournaments that create groups of similarly skilled teams, and they should be brought back. They are very helpful in helping the teams lowly in the seeding to grow. Obviously, if we can also implement a sort of performance-based seeding within these off-season tournaments too instead of a fixed seeding, we can get a variety of different teams in the groups, or harder opponents if we beat the same group of clans over and over again.

In the end, we need to ask ourselves once again what a big season is catering for. Currently with the structure and format, it seems to cater the top 16 hopefuls only. Besides that, we also want to rank those 16 teams in a widely recognisable manner such that these teams are the teams we expect to be in the top 16, and that lies with an accurate seeding (e.g. tournament-performance-based seeding) too

[silver vapor]

I don't disagree with most of the discussion or points that is being raised around, except for one about increasing the importance of clans as a brand. I agree that it's important that clans should play more of a role in the comp environment, but we should never tie seeding (which should be irrelevant to brands) to clans. seeding should always be the accurate reflection of the players that represent the brand. Afterall it's the players that make the brand shine, and players that make the eSports scene grow. As of now, brands only play part of the role in allowing the direct association of players to brands so when you mention my name, FEAST's names will be in your mind and vice versa. You can definitely add more onto clans (brands) without being exploited, yet still increase the importance of it at the same time. One important point I should stress/ remind is that since clans right now is worth nothing more than 1 million credits plus what the name worths (which isn't much since the outreach of eSport in Blitz is not that good), it's very easy for one team to ditch a brand and make a new one. The question is how to make brands worth more.

[vagrant phoenix]

Will someone in my clan get a ticket for top 8 if they did not play a single battle in the prove your skill tournaments? @muted ore @frosty nexus

[supple hearth]

Im preety sure everyone in clan receieve tickets, right?

[frosty nexus]

@supple hearth yes, you're right

[thorn shale]

@crisp shore which teams you following today?

[crisp shore]

We are going into the last day of Prove Your Skill tournaments, where the top 8 for each server will be decided. First up, we have the Asia server as I am with DUR and Fugit's on -GSM-. DUR game against CALM is very important as CALM is looking to break into the top 8 tonight and a win against DUR is a must. Elsewhere, do take a look at both -RN- and CATS, both of which are also looking to secure a spot for tomorrow, where -RN- is against _LOW_ and CATS is against -ENT-. GV is also in danger of falling out of top 8 too, so a win against -ID- is crucial. Follow our streams to get the updates asap:

Fugit's Blitz: https://youtu.be/3vWqgqxfKFE
Wildoneshelper: https://youtu.be/M0WZ_e9WZyA

[supple hearth]

@vagrant phoenix

[gusty topaz]

Hello, clan M_E_S is searching for a one player for coins tournament
We already have our own tactics and join discord during tournaments
Your WN8 needs to be above 2900
Please message me for more details

[proper river]

@gusty topaz go to #tourneys-team-search

[thorn shale]

who needs an avatar "Challenger" write to me.
(EU)

[limber lintel]

? wut, ru trying to sell an account? on WG official? loloololol, big brain time

[opal olive]

😂😂😂

[thorn shale]

I am not selling an account. I suggest an avatar. You will receive an avatar on your account

[thorn shale]

Thats not possible. U can only recieve that avatar if u get top 16 on ur region. Nice scam bro

[latent olive]

lmao

[thorn shale]

My clan is in the top 16 on the euro server. If you need an avatar, you come to my clan before the tournament starts and all members of the clan will receive tickets for participation in the tournament. I create a team and invite you to it. As a result, you get the "Challenger" avatar

[cyan timber]

Nice

[crisp shore]

My huge congratulations to all the 8 teams qualified to the Winter Season Championship on the Asia server tonight: HLV, FEAST, GV, -ID-, -ENT-, DUR, -GSM- and CATS. It is also surprising that the top 8 of the power rating agrees with the top 8 on the Asia server so far, so all of the teams deserve a spot in the top 8. Huge commiserations to -RN- though they have put up a good fight, just not enough with some of the preventable losses, but they should be proud of some of the big wins and runs during the Prove Your Skill tournament series.

It is also the first time where we see 4 English-speaking teams in the top 8 on the Asia server, the highest number in history. People who are following the Asia server comp scene should be pleased to see how much it has grown since 2020 Autumn Season. 🙂

[burnt glacier]

@thorn shale damn,dude. It's kinda useless avatar+ not so many players want to be fake owner of avatar,for example, like Rekkty's Pro avatar

[thorn shale]

@burnt glacier I'm sure there are people who collect different avatars.

[crisp shore]

i feel attacked 🤔

[burnt glacier]

@crisp shore told it with respecting to owner of challenge avatar 👀

[haughty hinge]

Can I 👀?

[lunar stirrup]

Can I get Pro avatar ? @thorn shale

[carmine mist]

Can someone invite me to a season coins tournament?

[thorn shale]

Eu brackets tonight are funny

[crisp shore]

For the EU server, 3very, Fugit and I are back with the last Prove Your Skill tournaments. 3very is on AQVA, Fugit is on CARNA and I am on -BPS-. It's anyone's game tonight. We have VE1L, IMM0R and -BPS- looking to seal the top 8 spots as they differ by about 300 cups. -BPS- may face VE1L in the quarterfinals and this match could potentially decide the fate of either team. Both S0ULS and RA1D are also looking to break through to the top 8. Tonight is going to be a crucial night for a lot of the clans, while HSOP is looking to prove their worth in the top 16 despite being unfavoured by the seeding for pretty much the entire season. Follow:

3very: Link available soon
Fugit's Blitz: https://youtu.be/VMnrUYZwuag
Wildoneshelper: https://youtu.be/XcGVoIC9CCU

[gentle sierra]

🍿

[abstract bluff]

@lime glen Would it be possible to add a tournament queue chat like what is in training rooms. Many people do not have discord and it would be very useful to have a place where the group could discuss strategy and tanks ingame.

[jolly kite]

Where is loca !!! Lol are u ignore them!!

[crisp shore]

LOCA did not have a team tonight

[pastel tartan]

loca didnt register

[turbid sinew]

Ignorants

[gentle sierra]

🤫

[agile depot]

🤫

[dreamy ridge]

@gentle sierra elo

[jolly kite]

Oh loca GL next tournament

[gentle sierra]

elo

[jolly kite]

Thanks my friend
I didn't know that❤️

[green orchid]

before u speak, know the facts 4head

[thorn tinsel]

first

[ornate wren]

Congratulations to all the teams that will progress and finish in the top 8.
Well played and the best of luck.
We hope we can return in Spring season to try to challenge again for a top 8 spot.
There were many great teams, and there were no easy matches.
Many thanks to all the streamers who did a fantastic job of bringing us the great action.
From all at BPS ❤️

[patent quartz]

🍾🍾🍾

[somber narwhal]

Pogchamp

[narrow meteor]

@patent quartz y’all got some cuties

[surreal hinge]

interesting

[tame bone]

For the European server, when will the tournament creation start for the top 8 winter season tournament?

[jolly kite]

@tame bone
I think second week in march

[thorn shale]

No dude. Its first week of April

[crisp shore]

Maybe after violations check has been conducted? 🤔

[tame bone]

So when does registration open? @muted ore

[limber lintel]

Prob 24-48 hours ish before tqhe tour

[patent quartz]

Ahahahah

[supple hearth]

20 teams on NA so far 🤣😂

[winged saffron]

Very cool

[thorn shale]

Looking for a team to scrimmage against training room will open soon if you have a tournament team and would like to go a few rounds send me a message. NA server only

[winged saffron]

Went from 20 to 27 in the last 5 minutes lol

[ancient shard]

5 away from 3 groups 😔

[radiant kelp]

@crisp shore hi, what team will you be streaming?

[crisp shore]

Not following any team tonight, but 3very is on GG-, Fishy is on -MM, and iNeear is on GOSU. I highly recommend Fishy's stream tonight as we might see -MM vs. PURPL, both of which are looking to fight for a top 8 spot

[sly axle]

What a joke. Out of NA’s top 4 clans (in terms of cups) not ONE has a bye. Yet teams in the challengers bracket with 10K cups less do. It’s not even funny anymore it’s just sad

[sinful crest]

#2 and #3 ranked seed fight each other second round lol

[proud holly]

Does anyone have the rewards for Challengers again
Also seeding is stupid but good ol WG has always been reliable about it so who gives

[analog osprey]

@sinful crest > 4 clippers

[sinful crest]

Yes 🙌🏽

[fast hare]

middle finger girl#3978 was banned

[chilly hemlock]

Are you saying there’s an issue with the seeding?

[sly axle]

yes

[chilly hemlock]

Who knew 😂

[next trellis]

Lmao

[pastel tartan]

"not ONE has a bye." what is even meant with this part of the message

[untold tinsel]

he means to say the top ranked teams in terms of cups aren’t the ones who have a freeby to semis

[pastel tartan]

ah makes more sense

[proud holly]

ngl SLG surprised me

[ancient shard]

Yea that was crazy

[azure pecan]

Generally there are 2 stages for the top8 tournament, groupe stage and then top4, but not this is time isnt it ?

5days doesnt look to be enough for both (maybe im wrong)

[flat goblet]

There are 6 days

[muted ore]

Hi. Soon )

[green orchid]

and when can we expect our updated clan logos from blitz cup...

[crisp shore]

Congratulations to all the 8 teams through to the Winter Season Championship: PRAMO, GG-, NAPS, CPG, APX, PNCR, PURPL, HATED! I was always under the impression that the top 8 before yesterday was going to remain unchanged given a gap was seen between the 8th and 9th. I was proven very wrong and PURPL beat -MM by a good margin and secured a top 8 on the last day of games. My shock is on -SLG that they beat the top NA clans, and their performance justified their entrance to the Challengers Tournament, and I hope that they will grow more and more in the future.

Huge commiserations to -MM however, they do not deserve to be knocked out of top 8 after a late surge of form to beat a lot of top 8 clans, only for their campaign to be dented by an early exit in the quarterfinals yesterday. HATED on the other hand needs to step up massively for the Winter Season Championship as they lost their mojo completely in the last 2 Prove Your Skill tournaments.

[crisp shore]

Links to the final day of the Prove Your Skill tournament stage for the Asia server:
Fugit's Blitz: https://youtu.be/ynIgOJzLPWY
Wildoneshelper: https://youtu.be/TnEo5eCZZmY

[thorn shale]

Any clues as to when the Blitz Cup banners inside the garage will be updated? 👀

[sinful crest]

@thorn shale tomorrow

[thorn shale]

not the chat for that @green orchid shoot me a PM

[thorn shale]

really?

[thorn shale]

Who needs the "Challenger" avatar, write to pm

[versed elm]

Me

[tired prawn]

XD

[steel shell]

I don't follow NA scene this season, can someone tell me what happened to RGN? If they took a break or something

[pastel tartan]

its not worth their time thats why they dont play

[restive jungle]

'm looking for a pleats tournament someone will add my nickname in wot blitz is oRomeko123
I can talk on the DC

[steel shell]

Thanks

[pastel tartan]

yw

[glass tinsel]

How can I start a tournament???

Can you explain ist step by step to me?

[manic pewter]

Be in clan. Go tournaments tab from left in garage. Choose tiurnament, create team invite players

[silver vapor]

BO5 DE? Is this some experimental format for winter season only or is this going to be the norm going forward for top 8? @muted ore

[muted ore]

Right now it's only for the Winter season.
We are not ready to talk in future tournaments.

[radiant kelp]

@muted ore does top 4 get another reward like how autumn season got custom clan avatars?

[cobalt yarrow]

So there is no group stage on prof tour and we see double elimination?

[muted ore]

No. All awards are listed in the regulations.

[radiant kelp]

ok, thanks

[shadow peak]

Че шо

[azure pecan]

So there isnt any pro avatar this season right
And cyber Camo is on all tanks ?
Just to make sure

[thorn shale]

There is pro avatar. And challenger avatar. About if the camo is on all tanks idk, but I hope yes

[crisp shore]

Are the participants of Winter Season Championship and Challengers Tournament seeded according to their leaderboard ranking?

[supple hearth]

Ugh, looks like

[thorn shale]

I think it will be based on the round robin rankings

[crisp shore]

Regulations say so actually

If there is anyone from _EA_ seeing this message, could I have the clan logo please? Thanks!

[azure pecan]

@thorn shale nothing being said about pro avatar here but it prob comes with the medal, same about camo

Also another point to bring lights on,
"Final stage" is basically the name given to the entire winter champ top8 tour isnt it ?
And its double emmination, so if you lose the two matches on 23rd febuary then you dont play anymore ?

[cobalt yarrow]

Yes 2 team eliminate first day ,another 2 team eliminate second day

[thorn shale]

Oh wow there is no round robin this season

[radiant kelp]

https://na.wotblitz.com/en/news/tournaments/winter-season-tournaments-2021/

[thorn shale]

In the game news the pro avatar was included as reward

[radiant kelp]

Just scroll up a little more and it says it

[azure pecan]

Oof okey thats why the tour is so fast this time
Thanks for the answers

4weeks of playing intensively 4days a week with a stressful points system seems a bit wrongly sized compared to the tournament itself which ends in 1 week with double elim

Édit: @thorn shale
You re right its making sens but then the qualifiers should also be built considering this

[thorn shale]

Because it isn’t a spring or twister season

[crisp shore]

Would love a double round robin for the Autumn/Twister Season though

[digital solar]

how to fight? and when we start to play?

[supple hearth]

Season is over, there are qts tough, and season coins

[alpine adder]

Isn’t just completely random seeding kind of…stupid? One clan gets lucky and gets to fight an easier team to start off and one clan gets unlucky and gets a harder one. Round robin is better in every way.

@crisp shore @dim pivot I was referring to the screenshot posted above, or is that not official? It says random seeding

[crisp shore]

Winter Season Championship or Challengers Tournament isn't seeded randomly. According to regulations, it is done using the ranking of the cups leaderboard and applying the strongest-weakest principle

Check my Discord server for the tournament bracket for both WSC and CT

@alpine adder

From the regulations forum post:

Tournament System and Battle Format

The precise start time of matches will be displayed in the game client after the drawing. Teams will be seeded based on their clan's place in the Hall of Fame for the season:
The first-place team plays against the eighth-place team;
The second-place team plays against the seventh-place team;
The third-place team plays against the sixth-place team;
The fourth-place team plays against the fifth-place team.

[dim pivot]

Its not random, its 1st vs 8th
2nd vs 7th and so on

Rankings from cup leaderboards@Lion#3014

Edit : fail tag for idk wat reason

It reads random spawn point i think u misread unless i saw a different ss @Lion#3014

[alpine adder]

I misread the screenshot above, it said the “spawn points are random” and I thought it said “start points are random” my bad. I get it now lmao, thanks

[cobalt yarrow]

@muted ore rewards will awarded after registration or end of the tournament?

[radiant kelp]

@cobalt yarrow 6 work days after Tournament

[crisp shore]

We are back on the last day of the Prove Your Skill tournament series and we close off with a tight top 8 battle pretty much between IMM0R and S0ULS. I will be following IMM0R and hopefully Nikolaus on S0ULS. Meanwhile, both 3very and Fugit are following AQVA and CARNA respectively, but they have already qualified to the Winter Season Championship, hence tonight is going to be a night for extra experience and preparation for Winter Season Championship for these clans.

3very: https://youtu.be/iELMsVu0Jkk
Fugit's Blitz: https://youtu.be/y_IFSmaPDlU
Wildoneshelper: https://youtu.be/UORL9yYAAns

[radiant kelp]

@crisp shore do you get to choose who you want to stream? Or is it chosen for you?

[thorn shale]

You’re joking, leave it to wargaming to mess around with something they had perfect already, The whole point of the Top 8 Style Tournament was to see which team is strongest by having each team fight each team once, now it’s who gets the luckiest seeding, poggers

[pastel tartan]

@radiant kelp he chose all his teams,some of us let it get chosen for us

[muted ore]

Hall of Fame awards will be given out in the coming days.
Awards for the Winter Season Championship and the Challengers Tournament will be given out after they are finished and the players are checked.

[narrow meteor]

I quite like that WG changed it up, should be a fun tourney

[crisp shore]

I like how WG is trying different final stage tournament formats. Besides, Winter Season isn't probably a big season per Wargaming, so good to test the waters and see how the community reacts. I still think round robin is much better though, and put more attention to.

[radiant kelp]

New profile background for upcoming tournaments? o.O

[pastel tartan]

if you think you deserve to be top 8 it means being able to beat others within top 8,i dont see why you are complaining

[thorn shale]

That’s not why I said anything, the whole tournament will be boring

[crisp shore]

Is -MM not playing?

[thorn shale]

i do think so

[radiant kelp]

Um, why you delete the msg

[supple hearth]

I don’t think so, but this one looks much better

[radiant kelp]

yus

[winged saffron]

@crisp shore at the moment, it isn’t looking likely

[open zealot]

Yup, purpl is in MM’s out

[winged saffron]

I meant for challengers

[tired prawn]

Well, where is the drama

[crisp shore]

Sydney Opera House

[limber lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-think-its-funny-michael-rosen-rosen-not-funny-gif-19357247

[radiant kelp]

loool

[dreamy ridge]

no one is streaming immor vs souls?

[pastel tartan]

Niko was assigned to S0ULS but he isnt streaming...

[wet tide]

GG WG, remove wild from immor for finals which is streamed by 2 others already 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[dreamy ridge]

+999

[tired prawn]

[*]

[dreamy ridge]

NOICE CARNA you gave up... why?
@winter swallow where are you now?

[thorn shale]

What XD?

[dreamy ridge]

ok 2 times yolo @thorn shale

[thorn shale]

:((
The difference is that second game we almost won. And that we arent 1st and 2nd team from same clan so i dont see wheres the weird thing here. Just yolo and losing bcs 1 bounce. Pepehands

[jade fractal]

lol

[crisp shore]

Finally finished my entire stream schedule on Prove Your Skill tournaments!! Time for a good break! What a night for the EU server as the top 8 was decided until the very last game, with IMM0R denying S0ULS's entry to top 8 with an emphatic 2-0 victory. Big congrats to IMM0R but also big commiserations to S0ULS. Unfortunately in a somewhat anticlimatic moment, I was not streaming that game so I could not share the excitement with all of you guys but happy to be following IMM0R until the semifinals!

My biggest congratulations to EG-, AQVA, 7URKS, SNTY, APA, CARNA, VE1L and IMM0R for being the 8 clans for the Winter Season Championship. A lot of the clans have fought really hard for a spot in the top 8 and they all deserve a nice 1-week break until the commencement of Winter Season Championship. Huge commiserations obviously to S0ULS losing out until the final moment, but also to both LOCA and -BPS- for showing us exceptional performance during the season. Luck was not with these two clans but I hope both of them will come back a lot stronger for Spring Season. Huge congrats to HSOP, despite having one of the lowest average win rate, they beat some top 8 clans on the way, cementing a spot in the Challengers Tournament, which they thoroughly deserve.

I am hoping great games in both Winter Season Championship and Challengers Tournament!

[wet tide]

1 week break be like: training every day

[pastel tartan]

well but for us its a break ^^

[thorn shale]

True :c

[wet tide]

U have to train too nab🤓
Idk thought you’d know bruh
Joke gone bad

[snow jewel]

Is there going to be another Twister Cup?

[pastel tartan]

for what

[jade fractal]

yebac souls and knoora

[radiant kelp]

How does it even work like that. You need to do previous tournaments with the team to get it.

[cyan timber]

😂

[supple hearth]

NA meta

[ancient shard]

yes

[signal lagoon]

yes, NA new bay meta op

[green orchid]

But WG where are the updated clan logos from blitz cup

[sinful crest]

@green orchid nice clan bro

[green orchid]

@thorn shale veteran role

[ember turret]

@thorn shale role pro bro

[sinful crest]

@thorn shale I played since 2016 veteran role please

[thorn shale]

i have a doubt when i made my tourney team it didn't show a particular tier so it it going to be a random tier tournament?
also at how many years do you get a veteran role?

[pliant peak]

@sinful crest @thorn shale

[thorn shale]

ok long time for me i am on 3 k battles

[slender harness]

dammit I shouldve asked wargaming if they want to try implement a swiss style tournament system

[crisp shore]

When has New Bay become Dynasty's Pearl?

[winter swallow]

o.O

Hello I am here.

[late kernel]

What is pro

[signal nymph]

7 german heavys is the new meta

[crisp shore]

Oh dear, time to cancel clans 😂

[thorn shale]

50%=veteran

[dreamy ridge]

You're not going to write anything with your friend amaunet?

[leaden belfry]

wait? write? what are we writing?

[warped patrol]

😤

[royal cradle]

🤔 👀

[winter swallow]

I'm so confused.

[thorn shale]

This guy is just mad about yesterday’s games

[dreamy ridge]

Im not mad 😆

[winter swallow]

What happened yesterday? I'm not caught up on the games and results yet lol

[thorn shale]

Carna vs aqva in the final. We played not very casual line ups but still tried to win, we lost one game cos 1 bounce basically. They say those games are like the APA 1st team vs APA 2nd team ones (where they drown,etc) And ofc I disagree

So basically he wants u and Amaunet to tell WG the same u said on those APA matches

He basically says CARNA threw on purpose to AQVA like APA 2nd team did against APA 1st team.

[winter swallow]

I didn't tell WG anything. In fact - all I did was tell APA, directly, to not throw matches. EDIT - I didn't even "tell" them. I just recommended it...

[cyan timber]

Exactly we played with a fun lineup but still tried to win go ahead and report us for that

[crisp shore]

"Focus fire practice" 😉

[night barn]

@lime glen Please answer on pm

[thorn shale]

? xD thats was to make fun but ofc we tried to win

[crisp shore]

It was obvious that you guys wanna have fun and also make the strat work at the same time though

[winter swallow]

See - this is why it is problematic to have games like we saw with APA vs APA where it was readily apparent that one team was not playing to win. The door is opened up for other teams to follow suit/for questions to be asked about certain results and playstyles.

In my opinion, all teams should play to the best of their ability in order to try and win a given match. That is regardless of who their opponent may be.

[supple hearth]

Just allow one team per clan, problem solved

[drifting jetty]

So, back in 2017 or 2018 it was Pramo vs Purpl in the finals to go to the twister.
Purpl was winning big, but somehow lost several in a row, so Pramo went to the twister.
I've always wondered if Pramo demanded to win because Purpl was the feeder clan...

[crisp shore]

*cough* EHR 2017 *cough*

[oak veldt]

Ehr2 won soo

[green orchid]

nice veteran role ‘pro’ @sinful crest

[sinful crest]

Thanks bro nice camo bro @green orchid

[steel shell]

What happened there?😀

[crisp shore]

EHR's 2nd team represented Asia back in 2017, so we can't say always that the 2nd team will always let the 1st team go 😉

[steel shell]

Ah I see, thanks

[supple hearth]

@crisp shore where is ur YouTube role?

[green plover]

🥱

[cyan timber]

🍉

[green orchid]

🍴

[surreal hinge]

🐒

[thorn shale]

🥔

[dreamy bolt]

Will the challengers tournament players get the traditional pro camos aswell as the other rewards??

[winged saffron]

No

[supple hearth]

😂 , thats the funniest thing i heard in a while

[thorn shale]

Wdym traditional pro camos, there was never that tradition

[steel shell]

tbh i would make some camo for challengers

[limber lintel]

Actually a camo for challengers could make teams, who feel like they can't get top 8, be more interested in going for top 16,
so ima +1 whot BL4ZY said

[atomic tartan]

No.

[supple hearth]

Fr, it would make a lot more people compete. Not a lot of people want to play just for an avatar( thats not even legendary lol). But the problem is, (I might be the only one) top 8 players would probably also want to receive those camos for top 16 just for collection. They have to add both camos for top 8 rewards then, which sounds unreal

[steel shell]

now we have camos with triangles with seasonal colors, what about making just silver one for Challenger?

[narrow tiger]

Are there any rules available, that specify how exactly works the lower bracket seeding ? (Who goes where in the bracket in case of loss and why)

[cold dew]

@narrow tiger the seeding for upper bracket is based off the strongest versus weakest principle, with the team getting their seed from where they placed in ascents. so 1vs8, 2v7 etc with all 8 teams in the upper bracket as im sure you already know. when a team loses in the upper bracket, they go to their respective place/bracket in the lower bracket. it’s all predetermined after the initial charts are drawn where the losers that will go into the lower bracket go, there’s no additional seeding used for that portion

hopefully that answers your question

[unborn oak]

When will we rechieve the rewards from pys? Background, avatar and camo

[lusty flint]

avatar 🤣

[smoky elm]

What happened? I want to register for Friday's Quick Tournament.I can't register. Did Wargaming made an opsiy? I thought we have Quick Tournaments every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday till February 26?

[jade spoke]

Lmao wtf

[thorn shale]

@jade spoke He is scamming ppl and telling them to pay 50$

[muted ore]

PYS awards have already been given out.
Awards for "Championships" will be issued after they are finished.

[muted ore]

The next quick tournament will be on Sunday, February 21.

[smoky elm]

Thank you!!!

[winter swallow]

@sinful crest nice name bro

[thorn shale]

@muted ore The realistic tournament is not really a realistic tournament. We just played our first round matches on Asia and it was normal T8 supremacy game. Smhh

The realistic tournaments are bugged.
It's literally normal tournaments with normal mechanics

[frosty nexus]

Details please?

[thorn shale]

@frosty nexus Will providing screenshot and replay of the tournament be enough?

[frosty nexus]

yes

[leaden belfry]

Apparently fantasy tanks aren't blocked

[thorn shale]

Exactly what he wrote, its normal game mode with normal mechanics. You can see red armour profiles, you get light bulbs, everything. Also, for some reason, the tournament isn't seeded too leading to some groups being stacked and some not. Was this intentional too?

Some 50% teams have gotten byes whereas 62%+ teams have to fight more battles. I dont understand how this was possible

[frosty nexus]

seeding principle for the tournament is Random

[thorn shale]

@frosty nexus Unfortunately I can't find the replay file, perhaps the system did not count this match as an legitimate match.

[frosty nexus]

we will check from our side what's going wrong

[thorn shale]

Alright. Makes sense then. Thanks.

@frosty nexus I have sent u a replay file and ss of battle results in DM. Pls check

[cedar parrot]

If the issue Izzie and oneonly is saying right, it explains why defenders are allowed

Pls send the replay to me as well

[vast kestrel]

Realistic Tourney bugged, its regular match (Asia) Replay here

[thorn shale]

@frosty nexus please take a look.
Same issue addressed in this channel aswell #realistic-battles

[cedar parrot]

About to enter 2nd rounds at this point

[frosty nexus]

Please check the Realistic in the tournament during the next round

Realistic should be fixed in the tournament. Thank you for your quick reports.

[cedar parrot]

Yeah, fixed.

Can you check if defenders are allowed?

[vast kestrel]

Fixed

[frosty nexus]

Thank you once again for the quick answers and submitting the issue!

[cedar parrot]

It appears the option for defender was still open. Can someone check it?

[crisp shore]

I'm aware on the CIS server, 4TEAM, not a top 8 team, is registered for the Winter Season Championship, which means either MERCY or 7STAR would not be able to participate due to the tournament being only able to have 8 teams in. From the regulations:

"1. Only teams which represent clans from Top Echelon are allowed to participate in this tournament."

Does that mean 4TEAM will be removed from the registered team in Winter Season Championship?

[frosty nexus]

yes

[thorn shale]

Lol on Asia even some 40%ers have registered in the winter championships

@crisp shore Oh i see your point now

[crisp shore]

No this case is different. 4TEAM literally has a team with tickets, registered for the tournament. Those 40%ers are not able to register a team but they are able to create a team.

[crisp shore]

This is great news! I hope in the future Wargaming can set up an automatic prompt to deny any non-top 8 clans from creating a team for the Season Championship (similarly for the Challengers Tournament), so that such offence will not be committed again in the future.

[hollow breach]

Will there be a 2vs2 tournament this year, when?

[frosty nexus]

@hollow breach hard to say. Stay tuned, keep reading announcements 🙂

[mint sundial]

Can selling places in tournaments get ur team disqualified in the challengers

[crisp shore]

I am not entirely sure, but I think selling places in Winter Season Championship or Challengers Tournament is in breach to the following Game Rule:

"1.3. Begging/Soliciting (requests to transfer real money, in-game gold, in-game assets, etc.) in any form aimed at individual or all users."

It is also possibly violating the following EULA rule as well:

"5.2 This licence is: (c) ‘personal’ (meaning that you may not use the Game for any commercial purpose);"

[mint sundial]

Thx as I have evidence to a clan which is doing it I will contact wg

[crisp shore]

Please also quote the exact line from the Game Rules or End-User License Agreement and elaborate why you think such actions are in breach of the above rules. This will help explain the situation and potential violations better. 🙂

[sinful crest]

Yes pro bro

[crisp shore]

That is true, hence I believe 7STAR was prohibited from getting any sponsorship back in 2018 or 2019 I think

[winter swallow]

@crisp shore C4 and 7STAR have had team backers.

Selling your place in tournaments is different to having a sponsor.

re: 1.3 - Rules as written only prohibit solicitation. Nothing excludes a sponsor paying players a "salary" of sorts.
re: 5.2 - it is the license re: use of the game - that also does not exclude people receiving a player salary - it just means you can't use the game commercially.... i.e. a commericla 3rd party tournament is prohibited. i.e. an esports.org couldn't use blitz to generate revenue for itself.

[thorn shale]

Rolling come back to streaming 👀

[fickle linden]

don't ping me

[languid phoenix]

Hi, so yesterday I played a coin’s tournament with my friends. We won the first tour but lost the second tour. In the morning, I woke up but i didn’t get any coins, but I did get like 600k credits.

[winter swallow]

if you believe 5.2 applies to blitz esports players getting paid, it is also applicable to YouTubers making money off Blitz XD

[crisp shore]

Fair point here 👀 (We must give our money back to Wargaming then 😛 )

[mint sundial]

If a clan doesn’t register into the challengers/professionals in time will it continue without a team or the nearest them to like top 16 will get to play instead.

[crisp shore]

If a clan does not register in time, it will continue without a team. If a clan is barred from registering, it is possible that Wargaming will give the spot to another clan but we will see.

[jade spoke]

Why is realistic tournament trash tier 8 only

[upper oar]

probably because its only meant to be taken half-seriously

its realistic mode after all

not the new comp

[dim pivot]

T8 probably ends up being more serious than t10 wud have been

[narrow meteor]

252u even more op in realistic

[supple hearth]

There are no chill tanks on tier 8, unlike tier 10 lol. Everything on tier 8 is sweaty, they just probably dont want missle spam

[cedar parrot]

How does Upper and lower bracket work again?

[blissful slate]

Does anyone know who gets into finals tomorrow in realistic tournament? Only finalists from today or more teams? Because it says 64 and if its only 1st place teams then its a lot less.

[pastel tartan]

finalists from todays groups @blissful slate

[sinful crest]

@green orchid hi bro

[green orchid]

🗡️

[blissful slate]

thanks and good luck tomorrow, we are not in your group 😛

[green orchid]

Delete this ^ @thorn shale

[sinful crest]

@solid nova i subbed bro

[solid nova]

Nice

[cyan timber]

reported for racism

[thorn shale]

Noo dont report :c

[hybrid pagoda]

@upper oar 🙏 pls

[hybrid pagoda]

@azure void can't always ping frost bite. ^ this is the second time now

[fast hare]

Mikuláš#1566 has been warned.

[azure void]

@hybrid pagoda fanks

[steel shell]

@solid nova start the stream i will come xD

[ember turret]

@sinful crest hi sir I’d like to be apart of your pro bro team 🙂

[sinful crest]

Hey pro bro go to #tourneys-team-search channel pro bro

[green orchid]

yes come join me @ember turret @sinful crest if u claim to love me u recruit my homie no questions asked!!

[sinful crest]

Shok we broke up bro.

[green orchid]

sounds like a you problem bro

[sinful crest]

Okay bro.

[green orchid]

ur unblocked @sinful crest dont force me to do it agai n

[sinful crest]

@green orchid wdymm i was the one who blocked u

[lusty flint]

X

[ember turret]

X

[green orchid]

only with ur fat maus in game but even still i finesse the shots in past ur tank, dont force me to record and post here to expose u

[sinful crest]

Nice 🧢 bro

[green orchid]

u tried

[sinful crest]

Bro I was lagging 😎

[green orchid]

just like my finger miss-clicked on the block button

[jade spoke]

He was shielding

[thorn shale]

😂

[sinful crest]

Hp sharing SMH. Not my fault I’m a team player

[supple hearth]

🤢

[wispy quarry]

l

[steady dagger]

Hola

[nova lance]

Halo

[winged saffron]

@sinful crest some people are so unappreciative these days smh

[ancient shard]

Fr 😔

[crisp shore]

and there are these people who beg for kEyS 😏

[thorn shale]

Is there going to be rewards for watching the tournament stream?

[gentle sierra]

Keys 👀?

[burnt glacier]

@gentle sierra will u give?

[sinful crest]

This shokk guy is one of them.

[supple hearth]

Gimme 🔑

[thorn shale]

Buy them with your top 8 money

[tender shell]

@gentle sierra Naughty

[supple hearth]

Can i just have more gold, i dont need money lol

[flat goblet]

U realize u can buy gold with money right

[cold dew]

i registered to play with a team for challengers and now im regretting my decision because im convinced the caller is disabled. he won't unregister the team and i'm stuck.

[ancient shard]

lmao

[thorn shale]

yall are apes lmao

[weak flame]

Said caller is practically the reason said team is in challengers right now - @atomic tartan the caller in question has spent more time playing rust in the past 24 hours than he did training the team during the entirety of winter season

[atomic tartan]

just threaten to no show lmao
also how did you find yourselves in this situation lmao

[lusty flint]

or just not show up at all

[green orchid]

@sinful crest shut ur ... ... up

[cold dew]

Said caller is practically the reason said team is in challengers right now
@weak flame no wonder there was an extra slot

he unregistered and removed me 🎉
im free

[harsh ember]

@atomic tartan sounds like GTA for us last year

[vapid crypt]

If he doesn’t unregister im deleting my acc so it takes me off the team idc

[atomic tartan]

well at least its just Challengers rather than the entire winter season like some ppl got stuck with

[green orchid]

but why didnt y’all just make a team without ur caller who won’t be named

[weak flame]

We were coerced into accepting the caller's invites 😫

[signal nymph]

I mean Void is still playing challengers, props to them they are still showing up

[sinful crest]

Hi

[mental pivot]

Hi pro bro

[sinful crest]

Hey bro

[crisp shore]

In fact NA server is probably the second quickest server to have all 8 teams registered for the Challengers Tournament

[thorn shale]

@harsh ember warzone?

[short sluice]

Hey😊who Playing now?

[supple hearth]

Just get the rewards, no need to play 🤐

[cedar parrot]

Kind of curious but when do we get our rewards from the realistic tournaments? It’s been well over 12 hours now..... and we only got the credits that’s it

[upper oar]

yea they sent their main players to pramo as the Speed team

[signal nymph]

Wow like I didn't know

[upper oar]

i don’t know who you are

you must understand that after doing this for 2 years, i can never assume things lol

[proud holly]

Keys? owo

[deft lynx]

Up bro

[thorn shale]

Guys when start spring season?

Around April probably

[dim river]

when it is spring

[tranquil seal]

Coglione

[thorn shale]

Do u want a pizza with ketchup?

[open latch]

I need 3 peopol for tier 6 tournament dm me if you want

[tardy canopy]

yes i can jion

[bleak wigeon]

Hey guys, I need 3 more people for tournament. EU. T8

[surreal hinge]

Did I hear KEYS???

[limber lintel]

@open latch @bleak wigeon for that go to #tourneys-team-search it's not that hard to use the right chat, omg

[open latch]

OK sorry

[wet tide]

By the way, are the camo’s for this season unlimited (as in amount of tanks u can use them on) or wut?

[bleak wigeon]

Sry guys, wrong chat

[radiant kelp]

No resupply cost and is permanent use

Unlimited use on any tank

[limber lintel]

he means how many tanks can he unlock them on

[wet tide]

Thanks, but how many tanks can we unlock em on?
Nice stijn xd

[untold tinsel]

pretty sure it’s all of the tanks. like last season?

[thorn shale]

hello

[steel shell]

yeah, the camo should be usable for all tanks without any limits

[atomic tartan]

inb4 sike and 1x Certificate for Camo

[summer valley]

Hello

[steel shell]

😂😂true but fortunately wg changed their mind

[cyan timber]

😓

[unborn oak]

Same thing here

[honest tulip]

Same 🤦🏻‍♀️

[sterile trellis]

Same,WG sort your stuff out !

[short obsidian]

Same

[green orchid]

imagine playing eu tournaments that aren't winter season

[unborn oak]

@muted ore We can click on start but we cant click “to tournament room”

[autumn nacelle]

does it work already?

[honest tulip]

Yes

[sinful crest]

Why

[green orchid]

cos u dont have a veteran role

[steel shell]

Actually I'd say it's clear that more clans played coin tournaments\quicks than PYSs😂

[limber lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/you-dont-say-nicholas-cage-gif-13481115

[fast hare]

Eliza Losa#8665 has been warned.

[burnt glacier]

@muted ore When rewards for realistic tournament will come? It past more than 24h

[soft nest]

Hello everyone who wants to start the tournament for seasonal coins tomorrow, write to me

[muted ore]

The prize fund will be delivered to players during 7 work days after tournament finish.

[burnt glacier]

Tanks for answer

[muted ore]

You may not have received an invitation at that time.

[mighty haven]

Any tour today?? Invite me

[muted ore]

Hello there.

In the schedule of the "Winter Season Championship" and "Challengers Tournament" was corrected an inaccuracy.
Now the regulations have the correct schedule.

[tranquil seal]

@muted ore what was changed?

[pale finch]

@muted ore please inform us on the change

[crisp shore]

Plus @tranquil seal: It was said there were 3 upper bracket rounds and 4 lower bracket rounds but that has been changed to 2 and 3 respectively since there are only 2 and 3 rounds in the upper and lower bracket before their finals respectively. In other words, 4 matches will happen at the same time for the 1st upper bracket round, and 2 matches will happen at the same time for the 1st lower bracket round, instead of 2 and 1 respectively.

[muted ore]

@pale finch The schedule and rounds have changed.
Example from the "Championship" on EU:

First Upper Bracket round — 23 February, 20:00 (CET).
First Lower Bracket round — 23 February, 20:45 (CET).
Second Upper Bracket round — 24 February, 20:00 (CET).
Second Lower Bracket round — 24 February, 20:45 (CET).
Third Lower Bracket round — 25 February, 20:00 (CET).
Upper Bracket Final — 27 February, 20:00 (CET).
Lower Bracket Final — 27 February, 21:10 (CET).
Grand-Final — 28 February, 18:00 (CET).

[pale finch]

Thank you

[tranquil seal]

Thank you 👍🏻

[buoyant saddle]

@muted ore will you guys give keys lol

[crisp shore]

They will give keys to everyone except you 😉

[buoyant saddle]

So rude

[proud holly]

Scam

[cedar parrot]

Just wanted to ask, is premium days for realistic Tournament on the way?

[proud holly]

On the way

[steel shell]

on the way just like keys xD

[crisp shore]

if you don't have premium days yet after 1 second, write a ticket to Wargaming

[proud holly]

https://imgur.com/9G1eSCq

[proper river]

we need the 😡 part

[odd basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/104-gif-19958882

[scenic thorn]

🚫 🔑

[sinful crest]

You guys are a bunch of goofballs!

[scenic thorn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/83861893231443968/813099861612036117/image0-6.gif

[zealous light]

bruh my team never showed up and we lost instantly

[supple hearth]

Unfortunately

[latent olive]

Does anyone from ID and GSM have their clan logos? If so could you DM them to me please 🙂

[thorn shale]

@candid lance oi. Seems like you could help^

[fringe lance]

Problems in Tournaments? Again bug's