tourneys-discussion

[crisp shore]

In fact I believe what happened tonight on Fugit's stream has violated the following:

2.1.1. Rigged battles or similar actions of any kind (except for training rooms) to achieve high stats, in-game awards, etc.

2.1.4. Passive (pacifist) behavior towards members of another team, clan, or clan alliance.

Hence I believe there was violation. Whether or not Wargaming practises the rules is their own issue

[plush flame]

Lol

[urban river]

S/o MoeDaFlower

[steel shell]

thats true, but i mainly meant 100%accs

[crisp shore]

Well it depends whether Wargaming thinks this is an example of unsporting conduct, which is a possible violation under 2.1.7. Whether they enact the rule is totally their choice

@atomic tartan It was obvious that they are throwing away the games. Who would rush in with 7 tanks at the start, and arguably a B-C ramming into a Maus? (They also even admitted it in this channel iirc)

[atomic tartan]

well, unless they specifically said they are going to throw in game chat it's gonna be very hard to prove to WG. as demonstrated on NA where the dignity and class of the server has been running multiple teams of Barrichellos and Massas for years with no repercussions

[sly hornet]

so everyone knows and sees it except wg

[cyan timber]

wg: 🛌

but when u account share its a dead penality

[jovial moth]

Professor Raikkonen do you know any examples of rigging in the past on NA? 😎

[civic glacier]

Lmao

[atomic tartan]

"fernando is faster than you"

[chilly hemlock]

Where would you like me to begin?

[chilly hemlock]

Why you gotta do Massa like that?

[atomic tartan]

@chilly hemlock Valtteri its James, Lewis lost his kidney so give him yours

[chilly hemlock]

Not bad for a number 2 driver

[sly hornet]

fernando

[cobalt yarrow]

Verstappen best(closed discussion)

[chilly hemlock]

The prince has entered the chat 😍

[green plover]

@urban river I’m a streamer for wot blitz now🥶

[urban river]

Wtf, you didn’t even told me Moe 😡

[analog osprey]

Football>f1
Gn kids

[sly hornet]

apa > football

[pastel tartan]

who even cares about football

[green plover]

@urban river 🤯

[narrow meteor]

Gee I really want to watch cars go left a bunch of times over watching some of the best to ever do it

[surreal hinge]

Bro what happened here, the Great Purge?

[scenic thorn]

🤣

[sinful crest]

@analog osprey you’re beautiful lad

[ancient shard]

I agree.

[analog osprey]

Unfortunately guys it’s not me but a french youtuber

[scenic thorn]

És lindo. @analog osprey

[cobalt yarrow]

ez f1>all

[pastel tartan]

top left corner bracket

[analog osprey]

@scenic thorn merci

[opal olive]

Poor kid 😔

[proud holly]

is someone streaming?

[analog osprey]

3very and fishy

[clear musk]

Looks like pramo vs apx(pncr)

[onyx pelican]

Well this wr seeding system is a complete disaster, i guess everyone agrees on this fact now. But what made it even worse is WG scheduling coin tour and PYS on same day in a dead server like asia. While we can barely get 40,50 teams, which is far less compared to other servers, what exactly was the point of scheduling 2 different tournaments on same day and splitting already small tournament player base into 2. For PYS#1, we had 50+ teams and everything was alright i think with teams divided into 4 groups and 16 teams advancing to the next day. And this time, after WG decided to do this shit show for PYS#2, coin tour had 60 teams (non-clan) and the major tournament which is getting streamed by 2 YouTubers got only 31 teams. As a result of that, only 2 groups of 16 were formed and as what maddox mentioned, 3 of last season’s top4 were drawn in the same corner of the bracket, while teams that could successfully rig the seeding with 100% wr acc or some rerolls got far less competent opponents in the draw and there are even some teams that went against -60% teams 2 rounds in a row (I’d prefer not to mention the name). As i said, wr seeding is already a bullshit and adding fuel to the fire, wg scheduling two tournaments on same day for asia was like an attempt to put the already tournament inactive server into its grave. Hope WG will not schedule another tournament on same day with PYS-day1 ever again to not screw up the seeding like yesterday’s if they are somehow unable to come up with a better MM.

[prime nacelle]

Well competition got better if it’s hard to compete idk it’s not ded lmao new clans are coming imagine calling asia ded

[onyx pelican]

U see i said that comparing it to other servers and yes asia is getting better like last year it was consistently fewer than 30 teams showing up in major tours and this year we getting more than that but u know what WG came up with some big brain move: oh wow asia is getting more active lets divide their tournament player base into 2 and expose our magical seeding

[onyx merlin]

The final stage is today or tomorrow???

[prime nacelle]

I have to agree to one extent sure but you know those who got too high wr also got bad mm cause calm faced E4D which are worthy opposition it’s middle that get good mm

[onyx pelican]

GSM vs S-MON in the 2nd round
Meanwhile in the 2nd round: ID vs FEAST
E4D, well yes they are doing really good job, but if u were CALM, would u rather take HLV, ID, FEAST instead?

[sage laurel]

The whole Asia server is learning how to rig the MM

[prime nacelle]

Nah what. Calm would take E4D calm have other s will be too hard for them

[onyx pelican]

Yes exactly and there comes up the usefulness of their 100% wr acc. The seeding favored them to avoid the likes of those 3

[solar sedge]

CALM is currently in the top 16 already. When there are only 2 groups, getting past any stage will get you a lot of cups, so CALM already got free cups by skipping first round (with their 100% acc)

[prime nacelle]

Nah but they would want Smon or XO ofc not those 4 clans but for now it’s not bad if coin tour wasn’t on same day as PyS if we have more teams then top 8 will go through quater finals top 16 not sure well other system was too biased to top clans and. Career winrate so i would at this one makes competition better tbh well it’s my opnion

[sweet flax]

the rigging on asia doesnt really matter, there arent enough teams to make it that useful
And of course we all know the simple fix to this problem that was created by modifying something that was working just fine

[prime nacelle]

100 % wr is just the issue rest is better than before I would give WG credit for that now other clans good chance by increasing wr with only 7 ppl make some battle count

[sage laurel]

You know the best way to solve the problem is to ignore the problem

[sweet flax]

100% WR is the issue now, if that gets blocked then it will be 90% and so on so forth

[prime nacelle]

Make some battle count it’s only that won’t get higher than 80 if the player is a god that’s all I am not gonna be dissatisfied with the current system the old one much more biased

[sage laurel]

100%wr has no problems, it depends on how you use your brain.
Blocking can't solve the problem, once a method is blocked, people will find another ways and this doesn't matter how many the restrictions are.
Just say "No problem" or "This is your problem" 1000 times, everything can become a fact.

[near anvil]

Why are we proposing convoluted solutions that require a certain battle count. Just use the old seeding method that worked every year until this one, when they changed it to unweighted wr

[tired prawn]

100% WR > funny bois playing late night to increase WR

[jade spoke]

Why does for finals stage, it shows matches are today but in description it says it should be on 28th?

[prime nacelle]

Yea please tell us so confused

[violet holly]

Hi

[brittle bloom]

wats the date of Asia server final stage for PYS#2?
announcement said it takes place in Jan 28,but it shows Jan 27 in-game?

[latent olive]

28th

[loud oxide]

What is this? 27th?

[ornate wren]

You aren’t seeing the greater effects of this. This opens up mass exploitation.
If it is “allowed” to decide between you who goes through: clans will start entering multiple teams even using feeder clans to enter teams they wouldn’t normally - just to heighten chances of getting a game they can ‘choose’ to 100% win.

[upbeat needle]

@loud oxide want to join my tournament

[thorn shale]

@muted ore Hello, i hope you guys take action on what happened in yesterday’s tourney.

[frosty nexus]

@sage laurel there is nothing we can do with a tournament team rating system now but we are working on changing the formula. We will keep you informed about changes.

[wet tide]

Can you guys maybe tell us something about what the formula will be based on? (This one is on WR) We are curious about the future of CW and the current formula is killing the community, some light at the end of the tunnel would help it survive maybe..

[frosty nexus]

@wet tide it's too early to talk about it because we are looking for a several ways how it can be changed. Anyway, the new formula will be including the progress of the tanks on the account. In this case twinks will have a really low rating finally

[wet tide]

Seems interesting, as long as we keep the amount of battles in account too :DDD
By the way, is WG considering any actions on premium/collector tank usage in tours?

[silver vapor]

@frosty nexus how much does wargaming value tournament experience vs random battles when seeding the players? There's a lot of elements in tournament battles that are not measurable from random battle stats, and are better observed from tournaments, for example how good a player is able to support their teammates or play as a team, which you will almost never see in random battles.

all I'm asking is a fair indicator that fairly evaluates a teams' ability to play tournaments as the seeding value

[frosty nexus]

@wet tide no, because players with premium tanks can also participate in the tournaments. There is no reason to exclude those tanks

[thorn shale]

X tier tournaments are totally boring. Everybody takes E100 Dublo lego tank moves in one big cattle and focus one tank. Match making strongest vs weakest. Thank you - Tournaments big waste off time. As it takes whole day to gather the team for two looses 10minuts game.

[harsh ember]

😂

[frosty nexus]

@silver vapor you're talking about very complex formula. For now we are looking for a more simple solution but more fair than current.
How will you estimate team-mate help? What does help during the battle means? It's not only the damage done, you know. And it's really hard to create a formula which will represent help for the team fairly

[thorn shale]

In my mind premium tanks are not the problem more like full MAUS / E100 teams without divercity. Also the matchmaker stinks a lot. Exclude MAUS / E100 tanks please.

[wet tide]

I have never seen a full maus/e100 team lol
The current meta is e5/kran spam with some is4s to glue everythin together..

[thorn shale]

Interesting that has gome many times on my teams face.

[silver vapor]

yes exactly. it's very hard to measure them. but I strongly believe that any numbers that are from random battles cannot be used to calculate seeding for tournaments because of how different these two gamemodes are fundamentally. I'm open to being convinced otherwise but until then I believe "recent tournament form" would be suited the best. But by all means please let us know what Wargaming have in mind and the simple solution you guys have might work. I just don't want to see the heavy reliance on career random battle stats as those numbers are often achieved with the players not trying to play competitively in random battles.

[frosty nexus]

@silver vapor the new formula will track the amount of battles on the tier % on the players account and win rate. The details and how this formula will work we will share st the release of changes. It's not so simple as you may think 🙂

[vital obsidian]

@frosty nexus we have heard since August WG work on seeding system. Nothing has happend. What are your hopes to get work done to April? If system not changed completely by then, can you at least consider take out accos with low btl count/tanks from the wr average?

[frosty nexus]

@vital obsidian you have to understand that besides the rating formula our developers have a lot of other important tasks. That's why any changes could be implemented only if we have resources to do this. New formula isn't so easy as you may think. We have to think about how the new formula will look like, then we need to implement changes on the server, on the game client, may be in the UI.
That's why it's hard to say when we can change the formula. We're doing the best to make changes quickly but it depends on a several things.

Now we are on the status of the fully understanding how the new formula should works. This task is the one of the our prior tasks but it's not the only one.

[vital obsidian]

Thanks for answer, I hope you soon can go to next step in development. As you can see from the discussions on this channel, the community is extremely frustrated and further delays would not increase the interest towards tournaments. We on a good path with loads of new cw teams, keep the good work up 👌 @frosty nexus

[muted ore]

The final stage begins tomorrow.

[thorn shale]

Begun the seeding war has

[opal olive]

@frosty nexus You don't need to come up with a new formula. Even if 100 wr accounts are used, only those who deserve the top 8 can see. Those who used 100 wr and reroll accounts in the past now started crying when they are far from the top 8. What will be the criteria for a new formula? It will be difficult to distinguish right from wrong.

[urban river]

Well this is just that you and your team aren't skilled enough to play Cw then... If you can't win at least one game against 7 super heavys, lacking dpm, mobility, then you should just not play Cw xdddd

[upbeat iris]

What’s funny to me is that a weighted WR formula is used ingame already and that alone would be an improvement over the current system, though still flawed. It at least is a temporary solution till a new and improved system has been made from scratch.

[turbid sinew]

@urban river stop cw

[steel shell]

agree
You pointed out good and also important factor and that could be amount of tournament battles
that together with excluding 100%ers could lead to huge improvement imo @crisp shore

[crisp shore]

I like where Wargaming is heading in terms of seeding method. I however echo with Maddox that the seeding should incorporate the recent tournament experience. In this case, a gradual increase during the season in the proportion of the performance-based seeding using the number of cups of a team during the season while phasing out the fixed seeding with random battle performance will help shuffle up which teams face which, and more accurately rank the teams in the seeding

[frosty nexus]

@vital obsidian thank you. We will do the best. I agree that the current WR system for tournaments is unfair because of the abuses and need to be changed.

@opal olive we will share details later. Everything you need to know for now I've described above

[gusty cypress]

Yop people, is playing on switch considered to be a touch player?

[opal olive]

Thank u. I am sure you do your best 🙏

[grim shadow]

Yep they are

[tired prawn]

I have one question what’s the difference between putting 100% WR account, and farming stats at late night? Both methods are equal, in first you just spend less time. I don’t see any problem with that

[urban river]

@turbid sinew 🥺
@frosty nexus This seeding is allowing abuses, you should just go for the wr of each player while considering the amount of game, so the rerolls and the 100wr acc aren't useful anymore..

[steel shell]

+add factor which considers tourney games for example

[gentle sierra]

🧠

[stark crow]

🧠

[thorn shale]

Base the seeding on the achievements of the players in the team in tournaments. I won like 4 major tournaments on EU and other members of EG- have 2-4 as well and I hate how I'm apparently not in the highest rated clan. If you won tournaments already or were placed in top 2, 3, 4 etc (less value) - easier seeding, if you're new - prove you're worth what's the problem.

[urban river]

✨👍🏼✨

[tired prawn]

Yes let’s renew whole system because some kids were saying “boo boo I don’t like 100% wr acc, late night farm good” 🤡
New clans rise just to die because they won’t get into top 4 or 8, endless circle

[cold dew]

good morning

[urban river]

"Farm" but its one game, nice 🧠 you have there, also we are talking for clans that aren't abusing system and that make it into Top8, not the kind of clan that uses 6 rerolls just to end up 17th

[calm atlas]

🧠

[gentle sierra]

playing at night will result in winning all games yes 🧠

[tired prawn]

Straw man 🤡🧠

[thorn shale]

Is it some sort of trend nowadays to help the 'small ones' or some minorities and ignore the 'big ones' that already proven their value? Strong clans is what WG should focus on THE MOST and your FEN1X means nothing currently, doesn't make the quality of the tournament any better for a viewer (in fact you worsen the quality), so it shouldn't be supported at all. You wanna enter a competitive top 4 then become good. Otherwise no one cares

And the fact that you only want to get top 4 or 8 is even more pathetic. Normal, new rising clan focuses on improving their gameplay and the top 4 and 8 will come simultaneously. At this point I do hope your clan dies already, because it only exists to flex pro avatar in randoms.

[calm atlas]

🧠

[crisp shore]

I think we all agree that the current system is a bad method in seeding teams, right?

[crisp shore]

By saying this you are just saying this axiom from a credible scientific paper (Schwenk, 2000) in a tournament seeding should not exist:
"Axiom FM: Favoritism Minimized. The schedule should minimize favoritism
to any particular seed."

Also from the paper: "Seeding refers to the careful placement of the top competitors to avoid premature meetings, and thereby improve both the “fairness” of the schedule and the general interest for the public."

[grim shadow]

no not all as you see above

[tired prawn]

I just left FEN1X, time for R-2-K

[wet tide]

NaH mAN iT ToTAlLY aInT iTs GoOd CuZ KiDS ThAT ABUseD iT bE4 CrY nOW aBoUt it So Why CHAngE iT? wE rIG IT sO iTs GoOd

[royal cradle]

What about using the rating which is in the blitz assistant app? How is that number calculated?

[thorn shale]

Doesn't matter which stat you use, you require the players to reroll or rig. This way it's gonna be harder but still possible. Amount of tournament wins is the only independent stat.

[crisp shore]

When win rate seeding does the opposite in ensuring "fairness" of the schedule, this method of seeding should be discarded, end of. Seeding methods are not designed for teams to their advantage. Denying the claim in the last sentence means you are disagreeing with ensuring fair competition in the server, and with this thought I sincerely think you should be banned from partaking in fair tournaments.

[royal cradle]

Well yeah but for example if I played lets say 3000 tournament battles and got better over time I might have a total wr of 50% considering tourneys. However 30d stats and I played like 50 tournament battles and won 40 bcz I improved? How is that gonna be calculated bcz I can still see rerolls gaining an advantage?

[vital obsidian]

t6 qt ezz tournament btl and wr farm

[wet tide]

Tbh anything which is not random will become riggable
I’d rather be lucky/unlucky sometimes than have other kids rig the system and get constant luck... I’d say make it random so everyone has the same odds

[thorn shale]

Dude no one cares about ascents qts and others simple stuff. I mean Twister Cup, Spring and Winter tournament and not the win rate. For example +10 points for top 1 in Twister, +5 for top 1 in Proffesional tournament and then top 2, 3 and so on with less points. Then the points of every player are accumulated and you have EG with like 600 with the best seeding. Stop limiting yourself with that win rate obsession.
Like this you can also create all time ranking of clans and players and rankings are nice. All the other stat systems are useless, cause they can be rigged or rerolled.
Seeding is required cause I feel superior and I want to be rewarded for my achievements.

[royal cradle]

But I also want deserving clans like EG- and rest of top 4 to feature near finals bcz those are proven to be the best and them fighting each other in round 1 would damage the system too

[tired prawn]

There is no thing as “random” from math perspective.

[thorn shale]

I think it would be enough just to make it possible to play tournaments ONLY If you have over 5-6k random battles, 1k tournament and RESEARCHED tier X tank, not bought or dropped prem/collector. Thats bs

[wet tide]

@royal cradle I know bro, though clans like EG- will rise to the top with random too. How about a rating on how much times a clan has been in top8? The teams with the highest amount of ranking throughout WOTB tournament history will all get into different parts of groups, facing eachother in the finals. The rest of the teams will be seeded randomly to prevent rigging from teams like S4W or whatever. @frosty nexus what about this?

[crisp shore]

I did have an idea before to have weekly rating tournaments where both clans and players register a specific amount of rating in them. The season tournaments (Ascent, Championship, Challengers) all give ratings as well. We can then use this rating to seed teams.

[thorn shale]

Rewards are too low to play all the time throughout the year for me. And those weekly tournaments are pretty much qualifiers 😂

[gentle sierra]

Unless you are playing for an avatar and some virtual paint !!!

[urban river]

Yessss Baroni!!! All we want is a 5th Pro Avatar and a 6th Pro Camo

[tranquil seal]

e x a c t l y

[onyx merlin]

Ok I've been calculate for a while, and the solution is: the formula of the team winrate is plus all members battle, only random battle is be counted. And plus all victory battle. All Victory battle/all member's random battle x100. Its the team winrate. So 100wr acc Does NOT affect So much because it just +1 in team random battle and +1 in team victory battles. The problem is the match making system. Because it's strongest against weakest. How to define the potency? The team winrate. So the problem is here. If some team using high winrate acc. actually they will face weak opponent. But abolish the system strongest against weakest? Cannot be because some team will get in final just be lucky. (imagine some55wr team in final, always fighting against 40wr team and get in final). As conclusion, the real problem is wg should count more statistic, not just winrate. Total battle and avg dmg should be considered too

I'm saying all this because me and my team are receiving some personal attacks. Because we have new guys in the team and "unlucky" we have high winrate.

U mean jordon? He create this acc for professional season. Its right. He was playing Na server and has just came to Europe and join us.
Or u mean new players cannot participate in professional season? I see. How interesting
Let's clear something. My guys are not all living in Europe forever. They come for study, or work out or some personal reason. So it's quite easy to understand why we have new acc and new guys. Someone of them just live for 1 or 2 years. Then they will back to China or whatever. I don't think low battle is something that u can racist to
Is the wg says one people, one acc. Our guys create a new acc. And playing on it. If wg says we can use different acc. I will give our guys some old acc to play with alot of tier10 tanks. So they don't need to play hard to get it. But wg says no. So new guys and new acc. Easy right
Oh by the way. I say new guys, it doesn't mean they are new in blitz.

[tranquil seal]

And by "new guys" you mean people with 77% and a couple hundred battles. I see.

[silver vapor]

very rough concept: a cup-like system for seeding which I'll call badges. differences/ things to note about this system:

1. all tournaments at tier x will give badges
   • QT can give badges, but will give less than traditional tournaments, preferably rewarded according to performance compared to entire QT participant population with a upper limit.
   • traditional tournaments will give out badges like how pys gives out cups. the bigger the tournament, the more badges are awarded. This will be a good opportunity to bring back bronze silver and gold series tournaments, as a clear tiered tournament system helps to allow teams to train properly against their calibre of competition and earn their badges according to how they feel they will fare.
2. badges will expire 3 months after it's awarded, to create a moving sum in terms of badges that represent a player's activeness and performance in tours
3. badges are not split between players. instead, it is awarded according to the participation of the player. if a player plays 100% of the matches, they receive 100% of the badges described. One issue is all tournaments accepts PC to participate but not qualifiers for major tours. so there could be a deduction of badges if a player uses PC to participate.
4. badges will not reset when a player moves clan.
5. team's seed will be essentially the sum of top 7 player badges.
6. if you want to decrease the influence of tournament activeness in the formula, this can easily be changed to for example seeding where only your top 7 players' best 10 tournaments in terms of badges earned, in the past 3 months are counted.

feel free to add or build on top of it. It's based on the thought that random battle stats are incompatible with tour stats. using tournament battle stats is an viable option but it will then involve complex formula. So the easiest solution is to make it achievement & time based in tournaments.

numbers are just examples and can be changed.

[steel shell]

yes, i dont think that new players should be able to play major tournaments

[onyx merlin]

Let's clear one more thing, new guys don't mean new guys in blitz. Many of us were playing Asia servers when they were in China. Now they come to Europe. Create a acc and playing on it.
BLAZY, u answer is totally racist. We need to make everyone equal. Wg Does not say only high battle players can participate. If u want, u can recommend them.
My guys have just come to Europe and receive So many personal attacks. How educated people and continent.
Another E sport game give players official acc to play. Does wg have?
7 players, acc with all tanks unlock. How wonderful. All high level club skill. Its fine. Do it. Why not? Some team lose because they haven't t22.

[wet tide]

I’d say that the tiered tournaments seem nice, earning more badges per win if you are on a higher level. Though I’d remove the badges from QTs since people will just farm that (even though it gives less)

[steel shell]

wdym racist 😄 Are you listening to yourself? Have you seen any other esport game that new players are able to play major tournaments? Because I have not.
and I have recommended such conditions, 10k+ regular battles,I would even add some amount of tournaments battles and some amount of TT Xs to be able to participate in such tournaments.
If we wanna remove abusing/rigging stuff and make it as fair as possible we must see and get trough tough conditions
I dont see any "pro" clan that wouldnt be able to play under those circumstances

[tender shell]

Keep this civil please

[calm atlas]

@tender shell 🤠

[thorn shale]

Another E sport game give players official acc to play. Does wg have?

Yes they give out press accounts for top4 teams to play on other servers xD I hope you dont want to get press account for ur chinese friends because they dont have tanks

[onyx merlin]

xd nice timmo。 good answer

[silver vapor]

the farming issue can somewhat be countered by point 6. if your top badge earning tournaments are QT then you are unlikely to accumulate too many badges compared to a team which their top badge earning tournaments are from gold series, for example.

(without point 6) I feel like you could still reward badges for participation of QT, but make it so that you can only receive the badges once per QT so there's incentive to play QT but not spam it

[gentle sierra]

new players are a different race 🤔

Giving accounts to top 8 teams so everyone has access to all tanks is a nice idea

[steel shell]

ikr xD

[wet tide]

Cmon mate it’s not ‘racist’ to include a minimum of battles needed to play. Racist means that you treat 1 ethic group of people different than the others. You are saying just because you are from ASIA we want you not to play tours? We don’t want that, we want to prevent kids rerolling and rigging. And if you have the intention to keep playing cw here those 10k battles shouldn’t be a problem (unless you wanna rig wr too lmao)

[tired prawn]

Treat != perceive

[onyx merlin]

Ah So u mean only high battle player can participate? Even tho in different server? Oh I see. How interesting
Does Wg say that?

Ah, so one day, u might go to JP, and u need to wake up in 3am to play Eu tournament. Because u can't Asia tournament. How interesting. Isn't it?

[steel shell]

Well then they should play on their own server man..
no1 cares if they came to live to EU or NA

[tired prawn]

@onyx merlin They’re trying to reinvent the wheel, ignore it.

[gentle sierra]

@onyx merlin what kind of an arguement is that ? So the system shouldnt be improved for everyone else cause of the very small amount of players that for whatever reason decide to change the server they play on , makes sense

[onyx merlin]

So that means, If u go to Africa, from America. U should play NA sever and hold the shi t ping. Because Eu is not welcome?
Yeah, imagine u guys can show me some evidence says we can't play. How interesting server, How wonderful people here
If u can make wg decide, make them say: hi guys with low battles, u can't play. Because some high level "educated" players don't want to u guys play. Fine, I can accept it.

I'm sry to say racist. Actually it's injustice. But well.

[thorn shale]

Imagine triying to discuss something with a158 😂

[tired prawn]

Here it is, our community 🤡 le gaseo XD

[gentle sierra]

Yes lets not improve anything for hundreds of people , cause one guy decided to move to africa 🧠

we are scared yes

[urban river]

@thorn shale nah miguel he is right, thats just he misunderstood what was written above and used "racist" term

[scarlet juniper]

Well it seems like some of u guys feel uncomfortable of my new acc on EU

So can you guys ask WG to give me a press acc for pro comp? I dont really care whats the WR of that account. I would be happy to have a press acc from WG coz I dont need to grind tanks so hard also crew skills. I do played pro comp on NA before but now I have moved to Europe, why cant I play pro comp on EU.?Yeah, I m playing on my server. Isn't it. U guys just giving out bias to new acc, please note: we did not do this on purpose, its just becoz we dont have acc on EU . Plus we dont wanna take the risk of banning acc due to "Account Sharing" by using the old account gave out by the old players. 🙂

[pastel tartan]

no

[surreal hinge]

Lol

[thorn shale]

.

[latent olive]

couldve worked but for the fact press accounts cant be used in tours nor can you join a clan with them - I do admire your effort however 😉

[native oak]

is there any way to replay older saved games once the version has been updated?

[latent olive]

nope

[steel shell]

There is, you need to have older version of the game on PC

[native oak]

except the game wont load if theres an update or not online - how do you do that please?

[burnt glacier]

@native oak there is no chance to watch replay from pasts update

[native oak]

would be briliant if they (or someone) could create a purely replay environment for any version. would be great for CC's and enthusiasts alike

[tropic meteor]

Does anybody know how to exit the Prove Your Skills? My team needs to try something else

[gentle sierra]

You cant

[thorn shale]

i want to climb the ranks and become a prolific tournament player.

[tired prawn]

Just use 100% wr acc

[lapis pelican]

Howdy peeps, final stage of prove ur skill is today or tommorow?

[thorn shale]

I know that some Pro clans and teams don' t want to play this game so much. But somekind of equal team seeding in groups would give newer teams possibility to improve their skills and get up gathegory. It is like in like football or icehockey. That they would get up in league. Maybe use the games rating level to make teams matching. Like every tournament team member should have done their ratings and then that could be also ranked on tournament seeding on beginning?.

[green plover]

Rating battles is a terrible idea

[thorn shale]

But much better than current.

i think seeding should be based on alphabetical order.

[crisp shore]

Tournament rating is something that I considered before, but the problem is that you have to play in all the tournaments there to gain a good rating, which in theory is just extending the qualifiers in some sense. There are also a lot of complicated factors to consider, for instance an algorithm to assign rating to both clans and players (since assigning to only one brings a lot of different easy opportunities for rigging) etc.

[analog osprey]

Rating battles and wn8 @green plover frère

[crisp shore]

On the other hand, when we are talking about more opportunities for newer clans to develop, we should re-work the format of some off-season tournaments, such as groups of clans of similar skill-level like the Silver/Gold tournament or the 2018 tier 8/10 off-season tournaments. They offer clans to fight one another of a similar level and they can learn a lot form these tournaments. We can offer some decent credits with these tournaments as well.

However, I still think the strongest-weakest principle should still be retained in the season because the seasons are meant to be for prepared clans. In order to have a functional s-w principle, we need a good seeding so that we can have a representative top 8 and 9th-16th.

[thorn shale]

Or maybe the 9th-16th could keep fighting together. Even ranked out from battles at beginning. Then that would bring the lower skilled possibility fight with the team they gathered.

[green plover]

How is rating battles a better idea than the current seeding form????? That’s dumb.
@analog osprey yes yes 😂

[thorn shale]

Because then the rigged battle bots would need to playing this game really some time and afterwards would meet an enemy quite much in same level they are.

[ember marlin]

I mean an elo wouldnt be so hard to impliment, make it so everyone starts at the same elo and moves up or down based on how the clan performs in the elo based tourney
Either that or at least a 5k battle floor for all participants in the tourney

[limber lintel]

5k battle IN RANDOMS

[ember marlin]

Yes
Just to filter out trolls who mess up the seeding

[fossil mural]

Eyyy is tomorrow a tournament in Tier X?

[crisp shore]

If you're talking about Prove Your Skill, yes we have coverage for the second day of PYS #2

[fossil mural]

Nah, i mean If there is tomorrow a normal tournament where everyone can Take Part in when He have a Team

[cold dew]

i agree with this

[covert swift]

Selamun aleyküm

[cyan timber]

aleykum salam abi

[green plover]

100k min battle requirement :pepepray:

[grim shadow]

100k battles in the T28

[ancient shard]

average tier of 5 or below to participate in tournaments

[surreal hinge]

Average damage to be below 200???

[wicked breach]

No, accuracy needs to be below 5%

[maiden anvil]

-5 wn8 requirement

[low flame]

AMX 40 only

[surreal hinge]

winrate requirement: very bad

[wicked snow]

Lets say each tournament has a tier
To participate in a certain tier tournament
Lets take t10 tournaments as an exemple , u need 100 games in a tier 10 (preferably not premium )
As its a tier 10 tournament , the team Wr will only count the tier 10s Wr x the battles
so that way it doesnt completely forbbid new players from participating in tournaments as if for exemple they r at tier 7 and wanna take part in a tier 7 tourney they should have at least 100 games in tanks of tier 7 or above and count that Wr

[somber narwhal]

hello

[gentle mango]

I think that’s better do limit is like 10k battles on acc in random to participate in tours.

[silver vapor]

Why limit. Tours should be free for all when there's already a soft limit when it comes to fulfilling tank requirements for meta

[gentle mango]

Ye. U are right. Tours should be free.

[wet tide]

Tbh we gotta get rid of wr MM as a whole, not cut it into pieces regarding tanks of certain tiers.

[proud aspen]

Hi

[marsh cliff]

Hey @muted ore why u changed maps for tonight tourney? Some clans already had prepared strats and played trainings on those maps to prepare as good as possible...

[muted ore]

Hi. The maps were randomly generated after re-creating the final stage.

[marsh cliff]

ah, ok

[crisp shore]

We are heading back to the Asia server as Fugit's Blitz is streaming E4D while I am streaming -ID-, after K1NG were knocked out on Tuesday. 8 teams will contest for the top spot in this PYS tournament tonight and we can only know who by following these streams:

Fugit's Blitz: https://youtu.be/amzbaxNrzbk
Wildoneshelper: https://youtu.be/69kcPIbdpY8

[crisp shore]

Second day on the EU server we have 3very following EG- since S0ULS was knocked out on Tuesday, Fugit's on APA and I am on CARNA. Round of 16 games will be very interesting to watch, with APA vs. RA1D potentially on Fugit's stream as APA would like to cement their top 8 spot with another win over RA1D, which is desperately looking for a breakthrough to the top 8. I am on CARNA vs. VE1L potentially for the round of 16, as both teams are grasping their chances to nail their spot in the top 8 as both of them are sitting near the top 8 margin. After that, we will see EG- vs. CARNA/VE1L where you might be able to see streams from both perspectives. Links:

3very: https://youtu.be/8kHBnt2RhO8
Fugit's Blitz: https://youtu.be/KdKEUoSNsLI
Wildoneshelper: https://youtu.be/dllMAkVY9as

[timber drum]

Oh, so now we can spectate in bigger tournaments?! Cool

[odd basalt]

I feel like this is a trap and we will get disqualified 🤣

[limber lintel]

I swear if the spring seeding system will be calbrated to career stats, ima be triggered, cus they don't show the players actual current skill level

[royal cradle]

Did your guys discord crash too?

[jagged seal]

yes it did

[green orchid]

EG 👎 not my team

[wet tide]

@frosty nexus as a ‘tip’ from me and hopefully the other chatters here agree... please do not use lifetime stats to seed tournaments. People have played a lot and even if you guys only look at tanks from the tier (lets talk about X) it’ll still be unfair. E.g. i’ve played over 500 games in my leopard 1 back when I was a 48 wr noob. Regular games are a complete different world from tournaments and it’d be perfect if you guys can seed tournaments on someone’s tournament skills, not random skills. There are great CW players that can’t carry public games on their own and there are great random players which know how to play bad enemies but can’t listen to strategies for a tournament.... Please don’t use stats regarding public random games.... I know what I’m saying will be hard to work around but if we get a good way of seeding we wont have to look at it again. Keeping to change things and make a formula based on the same stats (which it shouldn’t be based on) will only cost you guys time/money and the playerbase it’s interest in tournaments... hope someone valuates what I’m saying..

[gleaming pollen]

nice spam ⬇️ Your breathtaking

[narrow meteor]

@gleaming pollen ur nice

[warped patrol]

ok

[narrow meteor]

🥺

[night cosmos]

I got double rewards for tournament lol?

[warped patrol]

imagine showing it on wg’s discord

[radiant kelp]

ikr, keep it a secret

[sly hornet]

imagine rigging

[warped patrol]

with aimbot

[sinful crest]

@muted ore thank you for bring back spec mode in tournaments🙌🏽🙌🏽

[patent quartz]

Once again not another seeding abuse from the tournament, these guys are showing up for their first tournament, and some names should speak to many here, because they've played in a clan we all know.
not accusing of anything but i think it has something to do with turning the seeding in a top8 team's favour if u ask me.

[red vapor]

LOL

[civic glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-king-kong-kong-godzilla-vs-kong-punch-gif-20086704

[tired prawn]

Guys still trying to reinvent the well

[steel shell]

as well its sad that they have to take name from other team 😄
@crisp shore thats exactly their intention
to screw seeding .. nothing else and imo that should be punished no matter what

[crisp shore]

Once again not another seeding abuse from the tournament, these guys are showing up for their first tournament, and some names should speak to many here, because they've played in a clan we all know.
not accusing of anything but i think it has something to do with turning the seeding in a top8 team's favour if u ask me.
@patent quartz imo these phantom teams do no good to one clan but rather harm some clans' chances in the seeding as it nudges clans down the seeding such that it is possible to face each other at an earlier stage, indirectly causing for instance VE1L meeting with IMM0R and RA1D in group stage QF during 2020 Autumn

[patent quartz]

Exactly, increasing the chances of Teams worth top8 to meet each other early in qualifiers, once again it's about who rerolls the best and not who plays the best, same ends up every tournament since 1,5 year it's been discovered, summer season we'll have 4 teams with 7x 100% wr with 1 battle each

[tranquil seal]

As long as people have money to throw at a game to compensate for their lack of skill, everything is possible at this point

[thorn shale]

This is pathetic.

[chilly hemlock]

@frosty nexus do you see the win rate padding as a problem?

@copper ore same question

[crisp shore]

Knopka did say win rate padding is a problem

[shadow topaz]

challenge accepted

[silver vapor]

@frosty nexus @muted ore the original message is my suggestion for new tournament seeding value. I've made this suggestion based on the idea that you should not use any parameters from random battles for the tournament game mode, just like you only determine a player's rating with their rating battle results.

In this case, badge system is a reflection of a player's recent results and achievements in the tournament battle game mode, which doesn't gets reset but rather have old badges expire, so only the most recent and most relevant achievements gets counted. The suggestions also introduces different pathways for newer and inexperienced teams to gain higher seeding value, namely in the form of Bronze, Silver snd Gold series tournaments, and regular season PYS, alongside with season coins which can all improve or worsen given the result of a team.

Specifically point 6 of the suggestion introduces a major fix for the glaring problem of the system being "activity-dictated" and attempts to level the playing field by only having at most 10 highest tournaments count within a 3 month period, which should cover all the PYS from a previous season for higher teams, the professional tours and challenger tours, and an extra slot for any tours the team want. Therefore active participation outside of regular season is not required to strike high seeding value, and it allows up and coming teams to use off-season tiered tours (bronze, silver, gold) to pile up their badges for the upcoming season.

[frosty nexus]

@silver vapor thank you, we will check your suggestion a bit later

[silver vapor]

I've already received quite a few positive feedbacks regarding to this suggestion, and the only suggested loophole to the system is teams abusing 0 badges accounts (which is widely available) to attempt to manipulate bracket matching, to which my counter suggestion is to only guarantee a portion of the participating team a bracket spot (the top half teams with more badges), with the other half being completely random, meaning only the top half teams will be guaranteed to not meet each other in the first round. Since seeding is mainly used to ensure the top teams to not meet each other early on, it should not make any assumptions for lower teams and therefore can be random for those said teams to prevent abuse using lower teams.

One of the positive points besides of correctly evaluating the teams based on their recent performance is that it doesn't discriminate players with respect to their battle count and stats. So whether you have a new account with 100% wr or a well-seasoned account with 62% wr and very mixed results on your tier x tanks, the results in tournaments will unlikely to betray and lie about a player's ability in tournaments as it is literally the reflection of it.

There is however an unanswered as to how badges will be distributed to inactive players that are part of the tournament team as they technically belong to the team and have contributed as a reserve, so you can't really take much away from them, so if you take only the top 7 from each team it will make it that the reserve's badeges doesn't affect the team's seeding. But depending on how much badges you award to the subs you could encourage players to put accounts into higher teams to put together a high seeding team, which is sort of an abuse.

Please help give suggestions and suggest possible exploits with this system.

[muted ore]

Thanks for the offer! We will study it carefully.

[radiant kelp]

@muted ore does top 4 get a custom logo like Autumn season?

[cold dew]

top 3*

[crisp shore]

The top 3 of 2020 Autumn Season hasn't even received their custom logo yet! 😂 (GV, -ID-, HLV and ISHTR)

[radiant kelp]

Ohhhhh nvm

[dim river]

the pain lol

[crisp shore]

We're not talking about clan avatars. We're talking about in-game logos, logos you see when you view a clan page. ISHTR still shows up as one of the many logos in the game

[radiant kelp]

Oh I see but does top 4 get the custom avatar for their team for winter season cup?

[crisp shore]

Top 3 as claimed but that was 2019 Twister, I could not find any info (through quick search) about which specific top clans for 2020 Autumn can get a custom clan logo

But hopefully GV, -ID-, HLV and ISHTR (now GG-) will get their custom clan logo soon

[harsh ember]

@crisp shore he’s talking about the in game avatar, not the clan logo. If that’s the case then probably not, I’d think that WG would keep those exclusive to more important tournaments. Who knows though, we all know how over rewarded the pro camos were

[radiant kelp]

ya ^

[crisp shore]

I suppose Blitz Cup is already exclusive enough? 😂 (I do remember they said that clans will get their custom logo in-game during 2020 Autumn)

[cold dew]

^

[muted ore]

Hello, no

[steel shell]

Are they even aware of 2 non region player rule? xD

[analog osprey]

😂😂

It’s basically an insult to eg- xdd

[wet tide]

GL with beating EG- lmaoooooo

[steel shell]

What about using english? xD

[fast hare]

_Charming_Jordon#4733 has been warned.

[heady thistle]

Is it just me that think hellas is a bit to small map for tier 10 tournaments

[shrewd summit]

Frankly I don't get why Hellas is a high tier map, it's too small, it should be a low tier map

[steel shell]

tbh hellas should get removed from every tier even on public matches

[cyan timber]

mandatory complaint about ghost shells

[flat goblet]

I do not like hellas either

[thorn shale]

Mines and dead rail are a bigger problem in pubs than Hellas. But yes, Hellas should be removed from tours

[sweet flax]

how is mines a problem?

[patent quartz]

Hellas is just there to be perma banned during map picks... as no one wants to play it.

[thorn shale]

promotes camping, tank pick matters more than skill

@atomic tartan smh. Just read what I wrote properly

[atomic tartan]

i don't remember the last time i had a tourney battle on Mines

[sweet flax]

@thorn shale I'd have to disagree. Tank pick doesn't really matter as there are many positions and plays you can do and still be very effective in.

[flat goblet]

It is definitely much easier to play certain types of tanks on the map.

[analog osprey]

Himmelsdorf come back !

[alpine adder]

Hellas definitely needs to be removed, I agree. Bad map, especially for professionals.

[tired prawn]

🥱

[crisp shore]

On the Asia server tonight, I will be following GV, the runner-up of 2020 Blitz Asia Cup. Support the team by watching this stream! https://youtu.be/9gdl8DAX3E8

[half urchin]

Just switch Hellas and Himmelsdorf 🤷‍♂️

[versed field]

Hellas should get reworked

[wet tide]

Fort despair bruh

[crisp shore]

Campstilla 👀

[crisp shore]

Tonight on the EU server, 3very will be following -BPS- and I will be following SNTY. BPS championed PYS #2 and they should be ready for another good run in PYS, while SNTY has yet to find the big spark to elevate them to top 8. Find out here:

3very: https://youtu.be/QEBnwg-PGWA
Wildoneshelper: https://youtu.be/V1k0xyGstLI

[scenic thorn]

#3* 🥴

[odd basalt]

last one was PYS #2

[wet tide]

They championed #2 🥴😑

[scenic thorn]

🙃

[crisp shore]

TKLessira strikes again 😛

[solar sedge]

bruh we getting season coins tour at the same time as PYS again...

[fast hare]

Nie_Warto_Było_Kur.....#0600 has been warned.

[heady birch]

Anyone else unable to be spectator in Prove your skill tourney, I saw on streams that players are able to be spectators now and our team is not able to make any spectator ?

[heady birch]

@crisp shore Do you know anything about it since I saw it on your stream that other teams have specs in their teams ?

[odd basalt]

final stage had spectators

[crisp shore]

Could also be region-specific too

[patent quartz]

now i understand the "Prove Your Skill" Title, like this is legit worth a Top4 encounter for us

[scenic thorn]

S-4-W clan skips first round because of their 3 100% accounts, excellent!

[thorn shale]

Dam EG- vs LOCA/SNTY quarterfinals. That is so early

[wet tide]

And then there’s teams like quick facing bhbp nice

[thorn shale]

@steel shell
is this you acting all self righteous and calling teams memes for using 100%?
Is this you using a 100% account in ur team right now?
Is this you the same guy that complained non stop in this chat how unfair it all was?
Is this you losing all your credibility and achieving a clown status?
Is this all really you? Meanwhile teams like SRY are strugeling alot, way to go dude!

[steel shell]

yes, we started to use it as well
Do you know why? because I am done with trying my best and failing because some people are rigging the seeding in their favour
I wont play this for one month straight to see some teams who simply dont belong to top8 actually playing there
and i completely agree its pathetic and stupid.. At least I am not proud on it, cant tell the same about other abusers eh eh

[odd basalt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/502018644193181706/804812585299738634/iwanjnk7kld51.png

[thorn shale]

U just became one of the teams that don't belong there, the irony is unreal especially because u were the main guy flooding this very chat with the 100% issue
immor and you lost all the credibility if even u had some to begin with

[analog osprey]

It’s possible we do the same = ) spinnxy < 3

[fast hare]

syndicate#4313 has been warned.

[steel shell]

Cant beat them, join them
Did you see previous tournaments? Totally unexperienced players in the finals meanwhile we or other teams without high wr fought top8, even top4 candidates each time

[fast hare]

BL4ZY_IMM0R#0405 has been warned.

[shrewd summit]

Enough shaming each other

Take it to DMs

[thorn shale]

Clan flaming and drama has no place here

🤠

[royal cradle]

Why do only certain clan can spec on professional clans but not all???

[patent quartz]

idk what u guys are talking about, the current top8 teams wr is 10% higher than ours, they are obviously stronger than us and worth the top8, it's not the seeding's fault kekw

at least 16+ teams are now exploiting the seeding, if it doesn't change before spring season, u can forget the idea of tournament, and call it "exploit simulator" or "Prove How Egoistic You Are", when we'll see 20+ teams with rerolls just to have a chance of getting an access to top8 no wonder ESport's gonna stop.
Wg i think it is time to stop looking at the charts, and open the game you've encoded to realize yourself what is the problem, plug in your keyboard, get a white board and think of something else but the WR seeding

[urban river]

Wdym previous tournament with inexperienced players?

[crisp shore]

On the NA server we will have coverage from 3very, Fishy and I. 3very is following HATED, Fishy is on PRAMO while I am on PNCR. Great games are to be expected tonight while PNCR will be looking to break through to the top 8. Links:

3very: https://youtu.be/6IIPEM3Q-DY
Fishy: https://youtu.be/oupW_1IDdNU
Wildoneshelper: https://youtu.be/iz94x90q-gI

[thorn shale]

Bruh so many teams using the 100 wr reroll in na. Op

[crisp shore]

Yet the only mismatch is PNCR vs PURPL in the QF 🤔

[next trellis]

Ya idk why wg keeps putting purpl v pncr, this will be like the 3rd or 4th time theyve fought each other this season
I play for Naps @thorn shale

[fast hare]

syndicate#4313 was muted

[weak drift]

Them arguing helps me improve my “arguing technique” and shows me what they both think. However, I also think people in this server don’t deserve to hear ppl debating about tournaments and how they are rigged or whateves

[crisp shore]

Follow GV on the second day, the runner-up of Blitz Asia Cup 2020, as they head out and look to advance to the semifinal for the 1st time in the Winter Season here: https://youtu.be/65X4XvKVhMY

[thorn shale]

@crisp shore only GV is covered? Any other teams by fugit?

[crisp shore]

Unfortunately Fugit will not be streaming tonight

[crisp shore]

Asia server never ceases to surprise with a slew of upsets 😮

[signal nymph]

WhErE aRe My KeYs?

[upbeat iris]

Ye, first tournament was a week ago by now! WhErE aRe ThEy

[crisp shore]

The "where are my keys?" squad is back 👀

[proper river]

time to insert the gif

[silver vapor]

yes I'm the living embodiment of upset

[prime nacelle]

Tf

[dusty lotus]

U think Feb gets new season coin rewards?

[crisp shore]

We are back on the EU server with 3very following -BPS- and me following SNTY. Both teams have an extremely tough draw thanks to the seeding and you will not want to miss any of the first encounters for these teams. Follow here:

3very: https://youtu.be/uEybOZlyqO8
Wildoneshelper: https://youtu.be/JK_dWQkrYUI

[thorn shale]

@patent quartz us we are against aqva first game lol hope wg will do something about seeding

[analog osprey]

Apa aqva loca in 2 days and maybe eg- @thorn shale

[thorn shale]

@analog osprey that the second time we face aqva (
it's not that we don't like them ) lol

[calm atlas]

ca va silva

[analog osprey]

@calm atlas < 3

[thorn shale]

lol

[proud holly]

thats cool and all but where uhhh

[grim shadow]

Did you forget to type ‘keys’ at the end

[dreamy ridge]

Ok

[sly hornet]

yikes apa

[dreamy ridge]

Yikes semo

[royal cradle]

What about certain teams getting spectators while most dont?

[sonic iron]

XDD

[crisp shore]

Second day of PYS #3 sees HATED, PRAMO and PNCR followed by 3very, Fishy and Wildoneshelper respectively. We saw a slew of upsets on both Asia and EU server. Are we expecting more tonight? Find out here:

3very: https://youtu.be/eZJkSC3acfY
Fishy: https://youtu.be/CEisHeb-6iI
Wildoneshelper: https://youtu.be/qN_OXmbZQ9Y

[analog osprey]

Respect Fv4005 without repair kit

[limber lintel]

Esports

[shrewd iron]

That is crazy lmao

[half urchin]

Just believeeee

[stark crow]

lmao 😂

[limber lintel]

play a tank that get's HE'd in the turret by everyone
--> module damage increased
--> you don't need repairs
🧠 🧠 🧠 🧠 🧠 🧠 🧠

[burnt glacier]

There was the same guy on Twister on Desert Sands (Asia/EU, don't remember) on T110E5 with reactive armor, Improved engine boost and adrenaline....
In case, E5 get ammo or track every 2-3 shot that looked like cringe

[jade spoke]

For memes

[winter swallow]

@patent quartz , @crisp shore is working on a very good seeding system which we can try and push WG to adopt. EDIT: incidentally, I still need to review the text for that one Wilds o7

[crisp shore]

Thanks Rolling! I do have more thoughts about the system I am planning to recommend but we will see 🙂

[patent quartz]

good to know, thanks for the info mate, and congratulation once again 🙏

[narrow meteor]

@crisp shore can you give us a preview?

[crisp shore]

Oh the basic idea is that the fixed seeding (currently win rate seeding, could easily be incorporated with the new seeding WG is working on) gradually phases out in place of a performance-based seeding (in this case, number of cups) by reducing the proportion of the former and increasing the proportion of the latter in the calculation. The resultant score is then ranked in descending order, so the team with the highest point will be seeded 1st and so on so forth

[winter swallow]

^ it has been shown to work in models.

I'm also keen on trying to integrate @silver vapor 's idea of "badges" into @crisp shore 's system.

[fossil rivet]

Yes and if you calculate the trajectory of the projectile by differentiation you should be able to get Albert Einstein plus 2 to the power 5 including the consistency of the natural ability of an ape.

[winter swallow]

@fossil rivet - if you find this too hard to follow, you are invalidating your opinion in the discussions 😉

[crisp shore]

Nope they don't. The first day is entirely fixed seeding.

[thorn shale]

So if my clan chooses to rest or for some reason are not able to play in say 2-3 PYS at the start, I'll be matched against say ID or GV since I have no cups already which will knock me out sooner than what I deserve, granting me even lesser cups and making the next PYS even more difficult for me.

In essence, your system will reward clans which do well in the first few PYS and provides a cascading effect. The whole point of PYS is to have several tournaments which give you qualifying cups. Why would you want PYS 2 to directly impact PYS 3 and later on.

Fixed seeding is broken so let's say some teams with 100% accs do well in first few PYS and get a lot of cups. Thereafter, in the mid season PYS, they will have a good performance seeding which will further help them. It won't matter how you proportion the fixed and performance based seeding

You simply cannot have performance based seeding in a QUALIFYING tournament

Tldr: I think it's garbage

[crisp shore]

The current cups system and the environment does not allow teams and clans from resting in the first place. As you may have noticed already, there is a base 4000 cups for the group stage. This is to prevent clans from resting when they know they have enough cups to qualify to the next stage and Wargaming apparently knows this problem back in the Summer Season 2020, hence it is introduced in the Autumn Season.

Fixed seeding is broken currently and I did not say other kinds of fixed seeding cannot be put into place. The current one that Wargaming is considering can be incorporated in a way. Maddox's badges could also be incorporated in a way too. It does not have to be win rate seeding and we obviously see the problem with win rate seedng. I am aware of the cascading effect it could have with the mid-season PYS. However, as you see with some clans that use 100% wr to little effect, under this system I am proposing they will be allocated to a much lower ranking than consistently seeded at the top few spots. I am also aware of other possible routes of rigging associated with this system and that I am also devising ways to counter them.

The idea behind using a performance-based seeding is to guesstimate the ability of teams more accurately. This does not occur with win rate seeding. This is in line with the purpose of using a seeding in the first place: to seed teams in accordance to their ability so that the top teams do not face one another at an early stage.

Elo rating, ATP ratings and other ratings used for seeding competitors are all inherently performance-based and is a common method to seed people in tournaments.

Unfortunately, in the context of World of Tanks Blitz, clans change regularly and the competitive scene is quite different season by season. Players change allegiance constantly, hence it is a big reason why Wargaming is hesitant in using a performance-based seeding based on previous seasons. It is also difficult to devise an accurate one to depict the current CW scene at the beginning of a season.

Also note that I am "gradually" introducing the performance-based seeding. Hence, the performance-based seeding using the number of cups still has a lower proportion in the overall seeding in let's say PYS #2 and that proportion will increase in PYS #3. As teams earn more cups, we have a better idea on how teams are performing and therefore the number of cups they are becomes an increasingly more accurate method in determining the ranking of the teams as the season progresses.

[thorn shale]

Mans spitting fax

[thorn shale]

Or you can just make seeding weighted

[flat goblet]

They nearly won though 😎

[sinful crest]

[_NUKE] Team Fission, is an impeccable team.

[surreal hinge]

Affirmative!

[thorn shale]

🖐️

[velvet dome]

Hi im sorry but i noticed PYS #4 is not really loading on the asia blitz webpage. I dunno if its a me problem or others cant view it as well.

https://asia.wotblitz.com/en/tournaments/#/tournament/358/teams/confirmed

[proper river]

It is you

[broken sedge]

no
its not loading

[dreamy bolt]

Yet we see clans “resting” in the tours regardless

[crisp shore]

Yet we see clans “resting” in the tours regardless
@dreamy bolt not the top 8 across all servers last Autumn that never happened

[crisp shore]

We are now heading to the mid-Winter Season as the top 8 starts to take shape. Asia server still has stiff competition in that regard and tonight I will be following a top 8 hopeful -ENT- while Fugit will be following -ID-. Links:

Fugit's Blitz: https://youtu.be/LswyfYlOMxA
Wildoneshelper: https://youtu.be/0XrdytIFXas

[forest matrix]

Sounds really smart system.

Still I think that this seeding topic could be used as a lever to promote more stability and value in clans.
Today (at least in EU) even some top clans are created and disbanded between seasons which makes the CW scene quite hard to follow on and have story telling about. So I would definitely push for a more clan-based elo system.

[thorn shale]

Just legit have random seeding for memes

[steel shell]

Well it could lead to selling clans as a "brand" and that wouldnt be good at all

[thorn shale]

Well in the blitz community most top clans are a brand tbh

[forest matrix]

Well clans are brand in some way. I don’t see this negatively. And even more recognized as such since clan logos are given as a reward!
Today in blitz clans have like 0 value when it comes to CW unlike in many other eSports and ofc in all professional sports. Elo could give more value to clans.

[steel shell]

Well i think every clan should be able to get own logo in game as it is on WoT PC, but someone from wg said that implementing logos is complicated and i couldnt believe my eyes xD

[crisp shore]

Developing a mobile game and developing a PC game are two different things so I suppose the code would also be different as well. Adding clan logos in-game might be easy for the PC game but maybe not for the mobile game.

[hardy delta]

It was part of the strat get to corner fast to nuke vickers fast. Triple crown setup which we went over and have further improved.

[limber lintel]

I mean the moment I see a BC on that side, i know hes prob going into that spot to reset b, so Id just push C and over the mid, with my krans and hug A, its one cap to one, the sheridan gets caught and bled potnetially killed by kranvagns in this situation, but GG- didnt do their homework, ASP did this cheeky move in autumn season

And I mean taking double FV, you wont play C, so you hace 3 tanks that are aaying you are playing A corner and most likely even flush out B, so GG- couldve had the early game counterstrat, cus there isnt thwt much wlse you xan do with those FVs and BC

And you only have 2 heavies which means they will have an easy time pushing cus thye hafe a big hp advantage from the start

[crisp shore]

One simply does not run a tank without any repair kit. Being permatracked out in the open, or unluckily bearing a seriously crippled crew in the match with nothing to fix is just asking for trouble

[limber lintel]

Especially in the tanks that are supposed to put out the damage, if their ammo or ... gets hit, they lose their dpm, and they are useless

[analog osprey]

@hardy delta if sheri hadn’t taken such a risk it was win

[upbeat iris]

The effort being put into this, 25% to balance their WR out 👀

[ancient shard]

but it removes the bottom 3, so the 25% account wouldnt be counted

[crisp shore]

Nope, there are only 7 players in the team so the 25% is counted

[mild river]

But do they have tier 10 🤔

[tired prawn]

Yes they do. They probably play better than rest of community too

[ancient shard]

Oh, didn’t know that. I thought it removed bottom 3 regardless

[crisp shore]

Nope, DORSZ always goes out in the quarterfinals of the group stage very quickly. I doubt they even play to start with, hence this is what I call "phantom teams".

[haughty hinge]

I am speed

[mild river]

Grind in game modes ?

[scenic thorn]

i like his IGN

[crisp shore]

Tonight on the EU server, 3very is on 7URKS, which is the second clan to do a grand slam (no losses in a PYS tournament) this season after EG-. This is a clan that you want to pay close attention to. Meanwhile, Fugit is on EG- as they continue their supremacy as an eSports clan. Last but not least, I am on VE1L as they are looking for another breakthrough to the top 8. Links:

3very: https://youtu.be/jP-juo6D7WE
Fugit's Blitz: https://youtu.be/8Jw-MqxON7k
Wildoneshelper: https://youtu.be/wGkQeG2mE6I

[haughty hinge]

Good joke, next one

[crisp shore]

What are you talking about? There are no jokes from what I've written 😒

[scenic thorn]

no keys no party 🥴

[dim river]

no party no life

[inland solstice]

🤡 🤡 very nice

[gentle sierra]

We got raid or hsop on the 2nd round😂 😂 😂 😂

[dreamy ridge]

xd

[crisp shore]

It's insane to see -BPS- vs CARNA and LOCA vs RA1D in the quarterfinals of the group stage, and also RA1D vs HSOP in the first round of the group stage. This obviously breaks the intention of a seeding.

[ancient shard]

oh wow

[inland solstice]

BaLanCeD

[limpid geyser]

Oh yaaas

[scenic thorn]

Coins tourney > PYS

[haughty hinge]

Popcorn prepared

[sonic iron]

😮

[spice geode]

😼

[crisp shore]

2 top 8 hopefuls against one another in deciding a top 16 for the EU server. This is pathetic.

[half urchin]

think after today two top8 clans will be kicked out

[limber lintel]

And pathetic ;)

[haughty hinge]

U nub

[versed field]

This gonna be fun xD

[timber drum]

yeah rip top-16 for us 😂

not to even mention top8

[gentle sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[warped patrol]

🧉

[agile depot]

Indeed the system is perfectly balanced

[inland solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/sassy-justice-trump-president-christmas-rigged-gif-19670605

[limber lintel]

This is why the seedings are broken WG, don't do the season coins on the fricking days of PYS, look at the teamcount man

[thorn shale]

Honestly. There are some many less teams playing because most will just play season coin as they don’t want to try and make top 16 and top 8. Thus resulting in less teams playing - less groups - higher chance of being matched with other top contending teams/especially with the seeding before they are meant to be matched

[pastel tartan]

pys 1 had over 200 teams

[crisp shore]

And there was no season coins tournament during PYS #1

[limber lintel]

coincidence?
I think not

[thorn shale]

Yeah what about now? XD ofc the first one will have a lot. Today theres 60 teams. Ofc the coins tourney will make more teams leave this PYS. But obviously teams will get reduced as PYS tourneys advance

And it is kinda bad that they leave because na might only have two groups tonight. That means only 8 teams are gonna get to the final stage. Which basically confirms top 8 teams will fight each other before the final stage in quarterfinals

[glass thunder]

coins >>credits

[thorn shale]

I don't have a problem if Top 8 clans fight each other in Semi Finals but it's bullshit that some Top 8 clans will get kicked on quarter finals today which means they can't play tomorrow
Also some clans which are Top 32 get free mm and go to semi finals like why

[crisp shore]

Lower than any Autumn season PYS... we never have 4 groups during 2020 autumn

[blissful forge]

yo
guys
if any of u here are in coin tournament
is it freaked up for u guys as well?
we registered team and now we cant play for some reason

[thorn shale]

F

[scenic thorn]

the number of teams tonight are less than on autumn season and there were not even coin tournaments at the same day so

[odd basalt]

the coin tourneys give even bigger of an advantage to wr riggers

[thorn shale]

true

[warped patrol]

lmao

[uneven rock]

💩

[thorn shale]

HSOP vibing

[pastel tartan]

its also WW,not just W1N

[versed field]

We are hsop

[agile depot]

^

[sonic iron]

XDDDDDD

[unique shard]

XDDD

[thorn shale]

Rip 31 teams na @crisp shore I bet there will be two top 8 teams facing in quarterfinals as there are only two groups ._. @ancient shard everyone is so screwed today

[crisp shore]

well let's see about the seeding 🤔

[ancient shard]

Only two? bruh

[crisp shore]

oh boi group 1 looks like a massacre and group 2 is not a lot different

[thorn shale]

@crisp shore at least 4-6 top 8 teams fighting each other in quarterfinals

[gilded marsh]

thank you wg for putting coin tournies on the same day as pys day 1s.

[pastel tartan]

its also just 2 groups
this looks like day 2 more than anything

[thorn shale]

@pastel tartan it’s cause season coins has like 50-70 teams

[pastel tartan]

ikr

[thorn shale]

Honestly tho, why are season coins in the same day as pys? This honestly messes up the seeding so much more because only the competitive clans are playing pys now

[proud holly]

What you want more comp clans in season clans?

[thorn shale]

Legit 119 teams playing season coins when half of them at least would play pys if season coin wasn’t there

[pastel tartan]

why, are they not allowed in season coin tours now or what

[proud holly]

They have the option to do either but what i got from spice was that there's either not enough people in pys or something else
might just be me

[thorn shale]

@proud holly there isn’t enough in pys. Pys would have like 60 + teams if season coin wasn’t there. What happens is that teams that aren’t gonna make top 16 or top 8 just don’t want to waste their time playing serious tourneys, so they do fun ones. This results in a drastically less amount of teams in pys. This means less groups which makes it a higher chance that top 8 teams will fight before the semi finals. This encourages the bad seeding system even more.

[pastel tartan]

apx purpl and pramo ppsuc both happend and will happen again tomorrow,great seeding with such a low amount of teams that we get 3 rounds only,great

[signal nymph]

Man wish NA was like EU, fully stacked brackeets

[ancient shard]

yeah

[sinful crest]

Hopefully more NA teams arise

[low badger]

WG out here not gonna lie. Season coins and Prove your skill on the same day was probably the most genius idea ive ever seen with the new format. Actually made competition harder, more interesting and actually made teams need to try. Genuinely sick of undeserving teams hitting top 8 on the merits of their winrate fodding banter.

[thorn shale]

Lol so true

[pastel tartan]

there wont be rescheduling for coin either
vvv idk but it seems so,last PYS is on the 18th, and idk if coins is on sat,if not only tues then yea

[low badger]

Wait so this is going to happen ever week on Tuesday? @pastel tartan

This is so amazing im actually going to cry in second round

[limber lintel]

haha yes, amazing isn't it?

[thorn shale]

The hierarchy has been enforced

[signal nymph]

the more the merrier

[sinful crest]

Tog> actual 💰

[crisp shore]

Shortly, both Fugit and I are back streaming the Asia server. Fugit is with -ID- as they look to be winners of PYS again but they must overcome the hurdle that is with FEAST. I am with -ENT- after their impressive performance on the first day and they will want to continue their current form and grab a high position to secure themselves in the top 8. Links:

Fugit's Blitz: https://youtu.be/Kij3hnY5B2o
Wildoneshelper [MET1S]: https://youtu.be/jo52I8Gfyq4

[solar sedge]

this is screwing over asia the most

[thorn shale]

By

[crisp shore]

The number of teams yes like half the teams are top 8 hopefuls

[limber lintel]

Which mod removed my suggestion for the seeding system, really?
It's a docx files, it isn'zt gonna have a virus

Edit: also, maybe a chat where people wanting to help wg make the seeding system and give feedback or idea, would be a good idea

[crisp shore]

Tonight on the EU server we begin the final stage of PYS #4. 3very is following 7URKS, which is looking to further secure their top 8 position. Fugit is following EG-. I am following VE1L, who just recently made their way back to the top 8. Links:

3very: https://youtu.be/5pH4H81Y0Ro
Fugit's Blitz: https://youtu.be/u2xvO9Dlwac
Wildoneshelper: https://youtu.be/C9CvWO-2ax0

[thorn shale]

Are season coin tournaments on Saturdays too?

[crisp shore]

nope they aren't

[cold dew]

why should teams that didn’t make it to day two not have the ability to participate in qt’s on that day?

[thorn shale]

any comments why they do coin tournaments on proof your skill?
how much of a lottery u want top 8 to become
@frosty nexus @muted ore

[low badger]

@thorn shale best teams win their brackets - is a lottery xD

[fast hare]

syndicate#4313 has been warned.

[thorn shale]

It's not hard to understand

wg does coin tournament on the same day as proof ur skill limiting the teams
Higher chance top 8 face each other and go out early
profit to WR abusers

but yes best team wins 🧠

[limber lintel]

syndicate is right, @low badger teams are meeting too early and missingnoutnon 2nd day entirely, really hurting their progress, putting buffering between those teams, even tho they are closely matched, the fact you don't even show where you believe syndicate's reasoning isn't right, shows that you don't have any real arguments, but an insult telling him he has no clue that's what you are leaving as an impression with a clearly ironical message, (passive agressive), so please keep it civilized, instead of going with ironical/sarcastic comments, and put actual arguments on the table
;)

[limber lintel]

Obviously,

and WG hasn't even reacted to the apa situation, comon man, at least say if you are gonna do something about the blatant throw by one of the apa teams afainst the other, i mean 7 BCs yolo, and ram heavies, ye that's totally legit,

[thorn shale]

They said they won't do anything about the APA situation, lets just focus on the coin issue for now
and hope they will introduce a good system for prof atleast

[tame bone]

The coin issue is not a big problem in comparison

[cobalt yarrow]

is there clan logo reward for top 3 teams?

[sinful crest]

No it’s only for fall season @cobalt yarrow

[opal olive]

Whyyy :((

[sinful crest]

i think it might be since twister/autumn seasons are the most important tournaments.

[thorn shale]

@sinful crest

[sinful crest]

What

[crisp shore]

Top 3 from last Autumn Season still hasn't received their own clan logo though

[thorn shale]

Does anyone know why the golden HEAT tracer was removed?

And if I'm using a mod with a golden tracer, is that unfair advantage and can I get banned?

[upper oar]

i would highly advise not using tracers, it could definitely be seen as an advantageous mod and could get you banned. also, this channel is only for tournament discussion @thorn shale

[limber lintel]

I made a forum thread for discussing the seeding system, for anyone wanting to help by giving feedback to each another and sharing ideas,
feel free to join,
I hope this message doesn't get rekt cus I posted a link,

http://forum.wotblitz.eu/index.php?/topic/55464-new-seeding-system-for-ascents/

[tired prawn]

@limber lintel if ur smart then u will get that result > form of presentation, team 1 will win anyway, so why bother wasting time, they made it more entertaining

[limber lintel]

U call that entertaijing, i call that pathetic, but hey, lets all not care about the imate of the esports scene, nice dude, u are cleadly much smarter yes, big brain, *******

[thorn shale]

NA has no competition anyway theres only 10ish good teams why not just let them skip the first round Xd

[dreamy ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/no-nooo-nope-eat-fingerwag-gif-4880183

[muted ore]

With the current number of tournaments per week, it's hard to avoid overlapping them. Players must decide which tournaments are the most interesting for them and participate in them.
In the future, we will try to avoid overlapping classic tournaments on the same day.

The regulations for the "Winter Challengers tournament" and "Winter Season Championship" will be published closer to the date of the tournaments.
Now we are ready to announce the maps on which the battles will take place.

Winter Challengers tournament:
23 February. Maps: Normandy, Naval Frontier
23 February. Maps: Desert Sands, Winter Malinovka
24 February. Maps: Alpenstadt, Mayan Ruins
24 February. Maps: Black Goldville, Dynasty's Pearl
25 February. Maps: Canal, Yukon
27 February. Maps: New Bay, Middleburg
27 February. Maps: Fort Despair, Castilla
28 February. Maps: Faust, Hellas, Oasis Palms

Winter Season Championship:
23 February. Maps: Dynasty's Pearl, Oasis Palms, Naval Frontier
23 February. Maps: Rockfield, Hellas, Normandy
24 February. Maps: Winter Malinovka, Mayan Ruins, New Bay
24 February. Maps: Port Bay, Fort Despair, Desert Sands
25 February. Maps: Middleburg, Vineyards, Faust
27 February. Maps: Vineyards, Yukon, Alpenstadt, Naval Frontier
27 February. Maps: Castilla, Faust, Desert Sands, Black Goldville
28 February. Maps: Hellas, Dynasty's Pearl, Oasis Palms, Normandy, Winter Malinovka

[thorn shale]

Challengers is only best of 3?

[muted ore]

No. Wait for the announcement.

[thorn shale]

Okay

[mellow tendon]

Can you give me the names of the bonus codes in wot blitz?

[past marlin]

@muted ore can you guys please fix the website for Asia server,it's stuck at pys 4

[thorn shale]

Pls join my turnament 5-6 tier name:WOT_TEAM

[silver vapor]

@muted ore same with the leaderboard, it's stuck at the state before pys 4

[fresh gull]

eh

[muted ore]

@silver vapor Thank you for the information. We'll fix it.

[thorn shale]

Is there top 4 stage after top 8 one? @muted ore

[muted ore]

What do you mean?

[heavy remnant]

please join us the tournament is for tanks level V-VI the team name is Striker I hope you join

[limber lintel]

#tourneys-team-search @heavy remnant

[proper river]

There aren't bonus codes rn

[jade spoke]

Bug in tournament chart where entering group number doesn’t show that group on top

Also sometimes when you scroll, after sometimes it starts showing groups from top in one single list

[thorn shale]

If its like autum season. Do u understand me?

[muted ore]

No, it will be different, not like the Autumn season.

[thorn shale]

Ok thanks

[crisp shore]

The website does not automatically generate brackets (or fetch information from the game) 5 minutes after the registration brackets, which only started happening this season. It was completely automated back in Autumn Season though.

[sinful crest]

Breh

[crisp shore]

Very soon, Fugit and I are back with PYS #5. Fugit is streaming HLV and I am streaming -ID-. 3 groups are made tonight, meaning 12 teams are through. Who are they? Find out all with these streams:

Fugit's Blitz: https://youtu.be/uRWTxOYPFSc
Wildoneshelper: https://youtu.be/uksTYTehHkA

[crisp shore]

3very, Fugit and I are once again streaming the EU server. 3very is following EG-. Fugit is on AQVA. I am on -BPS-. Niko is following 7URKS but he is streaming in Turkish. Don't forget to show him support! Everyone is playing at 20:00 CET so we will see you all around the time! Links:

3very: Link available later
Fugit: https://youtu.be/XKzYOKO4I9M
Wildoneshelper: https://youtu.be/MifnrhjTI-k
Wot Blitz with Nikolaus: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVa2dh_E8TtR_eO-MCHVFCQ/

[azure pecan]

If im right

Qualifiers stage is 4weeks long and the tournament itself is 1week long

[pastel tartan]

yes,why

[azure pecan]

This interests me, do you think its good to have such long qualifier stages

[hybrid nexus]

https://youtu.be/sXT_NYreMdk

[proper river]

what

[pastel tartan]

@azure pecan kinda, it gives a lot more time for all clans and makes each game less "important" as it means that you dont get screwed a ton if you lose early

[crisp shore]

Hmm I think it makes sense considering you have tenfold the number of teams in qualifiers than in the Winter Season Championship/Challengers tournament. It is like FIFA World Cup where everything is held within a month but the qualification takes like 3 years to hold.

[crisp shore]

On the NA server, 3very, Fishy and I will be following NA teams. 3very is on NAPS. Fishy is on APX. I am on GG-. With 3 groups to contest, who will be in tomorrow's games? Find out tonight here:

3very: https://youtu.be/_PHCI1Kg5IA
Fishy: https://youtu.be/k_PR0VdoGzk
Wildoneshelper: https://youtu.be/MD6lWjWvbjc

[round forge]

Hello i am looking for a good tournement team if you guys need tournement player ibam here. write in private

[thorn shale]

@round forge wrong channel buddy

[proper river]

☃️

[crisp shore]

Both Fugit and I are back streaming the final stage of Prove Your Skill #5. After HLV shock exit yesterday, Fugit is allocated to FEAST while I am back with -ID-. This tournament is going to be very important to clans fighting for the top 8 because there is not a lot of difference between clans in the number of cups. Do not miss out any action here:

Fugit's Blitz: https://youtu.be/lCFQWidk-wg
Wildoneshelper: https://youtu.be/rZzhgfM2Sw8

[fickle goblet]

Good afternoon guys. Nintendo it's accepted as a touch in tournament's?

[slender harness]

give me good ideas to improve for this

[fallow raptor]

@muted ore Back in Autumn you guys made a sudden rule where u had to be in the clan 2weeks bfr top 8 registration if u wanted to play for top 8 for said clan does it apply for this season?

[radiant kelp]

Looks good

[thorn shale]

how about changing the challenger avater rarity from rare->legondary?

[jagged oar]

Maybe make 1-8 a bit darker, as the contrast to background is quite low. Also there won’t be pro avatar this season, I think.

[limber lintel]

there is actually (talking about avatars), it's just not mentioned on the portal post

said by Sirius, so it's legit

[slender harness]

Thanks for the idea

I placed the avatars as a representation for top8 and top16 instead of typing them out. I needed to put something there to fill space lol

[glossy wagon]

Can you still be eligible for a ticket even if u didn’t play prove yourself but ur clan made it to top 16?

[thorn shale]

😋 😋 😆 😄 🙃 😁

[proper river]

ok

[crisp shore]

Yes if I understood correctly

[winged saffron]

Last season everyone in the clan got a ticket, so you could have not played a single pys and still be in top 8 team

[crisp shore]

3very, Fugit and I are back streaming Prove Your Skill #5 as we follow the final stage with 3very, Fugit and I on EG-, AQVA and -BPS- respectively. -BPS- in particular is looking to further secure a spot in the top 8 as they are the lowest-ranked team out of the teams that we are following tonight. Links:

3very: Link available soon
Fugit: https://youtu.be/lCFQWidk-wg
Wildoneshelper: https://youtu.be/IWvVHoZD_eg

[winged saffron]

I am very confused about why naval frontier is being played so much in this one for NA

[thorn shale]

Ikr

[crisp shore]

Map random draw is biased, change my mind

[ancient shard]

Yeah thats weird

[steel shell]

@muted ore i dont know if someone had asked before but is there the 2 weeks rule? (Player has to be in clan for at least 2 weeks before the championship starts)

[thorn shale]

already assuming ur top 8, actually why not because of ur WR abuse

[crisp shore]

Not bothered to do digging but I remember Sirius did say there is no such rule this season 🤔

[pastel tartan]

there is none,why do you guys keep asking,if there was this reason you would know of it, there is a reason they decided against it last season ._.

[thorn shale]

sorry we are not as enlightend as u

[limber lintel]

@thorn shale why are you so toxic

[odd basalt]

mad coz bad

[thorn shale]

🪖

[crisp shore]

On the NA server, 3very, Fishy and I are following NAPS, APX and GG- respectively. All of them should be safe in the top 8, but a good showing is important in further securing their chances. How far will these clans go tonight? Find out here:

3very: https://youtu.be/r6hV-cPl3bE
Fishy: https://youtu.be/jaaxDxR5sJU
Wildoneshelper: https://youtu.be/44PtJVjF2yw

[supple hearth]

I swear if theres gonna be like 30 teams next PYS, im tilted

[sinful crest]

Hopefully WG doesn’t put szn coins on same day as pys

[ancient shard]

Its on the same day, again

[sonic iron]

: p

[thorn shale]

They already said its not possible to keep on seperate days with the amount of tours going on

[muted ore]

@steel shell Hello, no.

[steel shell]

I am not assuming anything so chill out homie

[tired prawn]

Remove WR then if it’s bad thing

[limber lintel]

well they will, but there needs to be a proposal as to what to replace it with, otherwise it'd be random, and that's useless too

[wet tide]

Still better xddddd
And it can’t be rigged in any way (unless you create a lot of teams and let players accshare and play with the best group)

[haughty hinge]

😆

[thorn shale]

@muted ore Hi we cant accept PYS 6 invite and our leader which created team trys to invite us again but it tells him that he doesnt have a team XD. We tried reseting the game but still the same, can u fix it pls?

[bitter valley]

Does anyone have tournament problems ?

[short obsidian]

Yes

[normal quest]

Yes

[safe talon]

yea

[last cloud]

Yep

[grim shadow]

Yep

[toxic dagger]

Game stability is something that WG need to look at!! These kind of problems are all over the place

[autumn nacelle]

yes, cant see team or delete team or creat new team.

[surreal hinge]

K e y s

[glad canopy]

when will wargaming fix their servers

[hollow bolt]

@heady thistle nub ❤️❤️❤️

[mystic hill]

Guess today's credits and coins are lost...

[grim shadow]

Gib keys for compensation

[frank forum]

?

[wanton wagon]

tounamets have crashed, doesnt want to start new turnaments

[heady thistle]

@ moderator

[thorn shale]

Ofc

[hollow bolt]

Meanie :/

[scenic thorn]

:Smile:

[toxic dagger]

exactly we should get compensated

[dire pawn]

Seems like it

[mystic hill]

We won't get compensated. I bet WG will do nothing

[flint wing]

why is nothing working

[thorn shale]

bruh EU server crashed for tournaments

stop spamming we know theres problem. let WG fix it but dont spam. We all noticed

[feral basin]

I hope it'll not go down like December 2019/ January 2020. When tournaments were down for two months.

[dreamy adder]

u noticed there was a bug bro ?

[tawdry inlet]

Does anyone have a bug with the tournament right now ??

[elfin ruin]

Yes. It's not working lol

[thorn shale]

xDD

[limber lintel]

Vabot delet

[dapper girder]

Crash tournaments? EU server

[frank forum]

We sorry we have problems with the tournaments. We working on it.

[wary bronze]

Wg in a nut shell

[wanton wagon]

probably didnt pay for electricity so they shut down servers 😄 😄 😄

[analog osprey]

Cheh

[dreamy adder]

gg vabon

[midnight crypt]

Yes..in EU server tournaments is crusched

[tawdry inlet]

Gg kebab

[thorn shale]

No the game wouldn’t crash too

[wanton wagon]

maybe they didnt pay just for tournament servers 😄 😄 😄

[nocturne flame]

There was a mention of petitioning for a tier one tournament on the RIVAL server and I was wondering if anyone would actually support it for April fool's.

[jade spoke]

Nice update without notice, all replays are gone

[upper oar]

🤔 there was at least a day of notice

[winged saffron]

I still have all my replays

[muted ore]

Hi. At the moment there are no problems with the display of the tournament.

[thorn shale]

Yep. Thanks

[subtle locust]

hi

[crisp shore]

After a short break we are heading to the conclusion of PYS tournaments. Both Fugit and I are back following the Asia server, with Fugit on FEAST once again and me on -GSM-. With only 24 teams tonight, we have to bid farewell to some strong teams and will that be one of streamed clans? Find out here:

Fugit's Blitz: https://youtu.be/495Ic297afo
Wildoneshelper: https://youtu.be/Arr_p7ltCnw

[upper oar]

good stuff guys

i want to make sure this stuff isn't being taken for granted: thank you Wildoneshelper and Fugit for working together to put this stuff out in an organized and consistent manner. anyone doing tournament coverage as essentially volunteers earns respect in my book 👍

[thorn shale]

24 yikes this will be a circus, same on EU with like 50 teams?

[alpine adder]

How do I change the fact that the game keeps connecting me to C2 cluster? I usually use a VPN to join C0 or C1 because the game is unplayable for me on C2 (but the game insists on putting me in C2 if I don’t have a VPN on).
But today I can’t join C0 or C1 even with a VPN. It keeps putting me in C2. The PYS is in 30 minutes and C2 is unplayable for me. What do I do?
@muted ore

[muted ore]

Unfortunately, I can't tell you the solution to the connection and VPN problem.
Try to contact the Customer Support Center.

[alpine adder]

Okay, thank you :)

[silver vapor]

hmmm there's quite little teams today for Asia
wut happened

[thorn shale]

season coins

[graceful jetty]

Hi, we're being streamed and we just played middleburg as the map for both first games in 1/16 and 1/4 now we have middleburg as the map for the tiebreak on semis? I know the map picks are random but please can you make it so that we dont need to play the same map for 3 rounds in a row? Please add a new map picking system where we dont need to play the same map so many times. Its difficult to play in 1 night when we're being streamed @muted ore

[silver vapor]

first world problems of being popular 😂

[crisp shore]

NA with their Naval Frontier as I was streaming GG-😂

[muted ore]

Hi. You are right, the maps are chosen randomly. The same map can fall several times in a row.

If the map selection system will be redesigned, we will take this into account.

[grizzled cedar]

When the uprising will back???

[frosty nexus]

As soon as we fix some issues in this game mode

[thorn shale]

what mode doesnt have issues

you see this wildonehelper doing unpaid work and being more effective than the team combined that made the tournament seeding
but as long microtransactions go brrrr who cares laughs in russian

[wet tide]

Loooooooool

[dreamy bolt]

Haha

[crisp shore]

Well I would rather have a stable game than an unstable game mode which not only is broken on the inside but could potentially affect other areas of the game such as tournaments as well. I do see the point from Wargaming here.

As I also said previously, there needs a lot of time to investigate different kinds of seeding because everyone including Wargaming wants to make it right and unriggable in Spring Season. A lot of things are taken into account. Besides, I could understand that Wargaming does not want to change the seeding during the season.

Thanks for the compliment though but I believe the difficulty that Wargaming is facing for the seeding flaws and game mode bugs is much much greater than the ones I face with all the stuff on my stream. 🙂

[crisp shore]

Thanks for the support! Don't forget 3very who put in a lot of effort to stream both EU and NA server, and Fishy for insightful commentary on the NA server too!

[upper oar]

3very and Fishy are undisputed G.O.A.T’s as well 😤

i really enjoy 3very’s commentary and Fishy just brings it to another level

[thorn shale]

Fishy op

[thorn shale]

go register EU proof ur skill noobs unregister season coin

In before na has only two groups again

💯

[crisp shore]

In an hour, 3very, Fugit and I are back on the EU server as we follow APA, IMM0R and 7URKS respectively. All of these look to further secure their place in the top 8 and with fewer teams tonight this will become increasingly diffiult. Find all about the games here:

3very: https://youtu.be/Evo3v-7FN7c
Fugit: https://youtu.be/Yfos-rXVFoM
Wildoneshelper: https://youtu.be/Y8c_AXwCf5s

[ancient shard]

One group again 🐀

[inland solstice]

interesting, seems someone forgot to mention the control type

[azure pecan]

when game starts they wether got disconnect, wether they can play on pc but with touch controles which is, believe me, absolutely impossible to play lol, you have only the mouth to controle all touch settings, basically its like if u were playing with 1 finger

[dreamy ridge]

XD

[inland solstice]

we noticed lmao - was interesting to say the least

[sinful crest]

Bring back rolling tho

[crisp shore]

My goodness me the 5th place all the way to the 12th place on the EU server have less than 1000 cups of difference in between them 😮

[tired prawn]

GO APA

[analog osprey]

Why every ascent I face LOCA zebi

[crisp shore]

APA is in 4th place and is solid, so don't worry 😉

[thorn shale]

not for long they are, atleast if aqva wont throw vs them

[graceful jetty]

Is the background any different from the background in autumn season?

[winged saffron]

No

[thorn shale]

Cmon na teams keep registering! We need 3 groups at least tonight

[ancient shard]

4 is a stretch imo

[sleek basin]

nice brackets

[narrow meteor]

Mmmm yes, loving having those coin tourneys with the PYS tourneys

[pastel tartan]

u can complain all you want know,it wont change

[narrow meteor]

Maybe not this season but the next one

[analog osprey]

@chilly hemlock wesh bro

[proud holly]

2 groups . .. .
not pog

[pastel tartan]

yea its insane,EU had 4 today
and 2 groups means it'll only be 3 rounds tomorrow

[carmine solstice]

Stay dead bro

[eternal vapor]

The tournament has been very hectic as live clips are hard to find

[untold tinsel]

Thomie @sleek basin

[lusty flint]

@sleek basin hello Tommy tactics

[cobalt yarrow]

why Na teams using t57 instead of 50b coz games playing slow and t57 are good on slow games or there is another reason?

[winged saffron]

I haven’t seen any streams from tonight but I will assume it’s because they don’t need to rotate a bunch with their strat

[sinful crest]

o7

[winged saffron]

Cool

[sinful crest]

Feels good having monkeys play coins 🪙 instead of tournaments for moooooney

[burnt ingot]

I mean why would they play these when they know they won’t win and don’t get anything out of it? @sinful crest I don’t see anything wrong with that plus it means we don’t have to play as long tomo!

[sinful crest]

Fair, it’s just trash for us since it’s literally the top10 teams facing each other over and over again

[burnt ingot]

I mean yeah but what did u expect when their r like 8 of these tourneys lol 😂. Your already secured for top 8 basically I don’t see why it sucks for u guys? @sinful crest

[thorn shale]

@burnt ingot 2 groups kinda sucks because then those last few top 8 spots will be made by luck. Like some of the teams got unlucky with the seeding today and that might have killed their top 8 chances almost

[burnt ingot]

@thorn shale I mean yeah that’s the luck of the draw and what happens when wg puts them on the same date nothing u can do ab it but gg is already in top 8 for the most part so I don’t see the issue for them. They should be good and made it to tomorrow’s toruney. Plus it’s not the end of the world if they did good the prior tours they should be fine I think hated missed the second day once and their still in like 5th or what ever

[supple hearth]

PYS are so trash, literally 30 teams

[sinful crest]

No yeah I mean it’s just boring facing the same teams over and over again

[burnt ingot]

Hey I hear u there I wish they just cut the number in half. We play so many tourneys and it’s all against the same few teams gets really old really quick @sinful crest but everyone’s in the same boat so

[sinful crest]

That too lmao 8 PYS tournaments 4 days of the week, then u got to play the same ppl constantly just an F

[burnt ingot]

Yeah that’s 16 nights of blitz for 2 hours a day if u make all the days so 32 hours and that’s if u just do tourneys and not including playing pubs or anything else . @sinful crest

[sinful crest]

That and then plus the scrims 👀

[tall sinew]

Assass

[hexed helm]

Guys

[candid lance]

@lime glen will 2v2 tourneys be coming back

[crisp shore]

I think PYS is not really designed from small tournament communities (which include the non-competitive ones), hence 8 seems to be too long in this case

[crisp shore]

Very soon, both Fugit and I are back on the Asia server as we follow FEAST and -GSM- respectively. -GSM- has a huge night tonight as they look to further secure top 8 with a slew of difficult games ahead.

Fugit: https://youtu.be/X1muUvMmpHA
Wildoneshelper: https://youtu.be/0Qj4RVq-JZM

[next trellis]

I agree it was a huge misplay by WG to put coin tournaments at the same day as PYS tournaments. Nothing can change now, but hopefully for spring they won't do this because it discourages common participants that would usually play therefore leading to less diverse brackets.

[thorn shale]

To be honest for a 5 year old comp scene not much has actually gone into it the "metas" for tier 10 should be based around ur pros because we're the most consistent players on the server some tanks like the e4 are just unusable or the 4202 is quite an exception bc it has a hesh gun for the sole purpose of pub stomping which it cant even do anymore reliably but almost every tank in 2018 was usable without tossing a game but now if u see a team running less than 5 heavies its just an insta loss
I still dont see why top 6-4 teams need to qualify every season you would have a lot less issues with rosters it would spark much mor competition for top 16-6 clans even on NA which pretty much only has 20 something decent teams theres almost no opportunities for top 16 teams to actually make top 8 without being trained by another experienced pro none of the top 8 teams take qts seriously i honestly dont know what happened to bronze silver and gold tournaments back in the day those were literally ur only chance of facing top 8 teams semi seriously outside of PYS or older qualifiers those are the tournaments that will keep a server like NA competitive

[limber lintel]

"To be honest for a 5 year old comp scene not much has actually gone into it the "metas" for tier 10 should be based around ur pros because we're the most consistent players on the server some tanks like the e4 are just unusable or the 4202 is quite an exception bc it has a hesh gun for the sole purpose of pub stomping which it cant even do anymore reliably"
just because some tanks are not meta, you can't buff them, cus if they become meta, you know what will happen? The tanks that are meta now won't be meta and you would just get in a loop

"I still dont see why top 6-4 teams need to qualify every season you would have a lot less issues with rosters it would spark much mor competition for top 16-6 clans even on NA which pretty much only has 20 something decent teams theres almost no opportunities for top 16 teams to actually make top 8 without being trained by another experienced pro"
first of all you can't link qualification to clans, because the cw players move around a lot and often a clans cw team may disband, leaving the clan qualified without a team, this is mainly on the bigger servers, but still to an extent on NA

"none of the top 8 teams take qts seriously i honestly dont know what happened to bronze silver and gold tournaments back in the day those were literally ur only chance of facing top 8 teams semi seriously outside of PYS or older qualifiers those are the tournaments that will keep a server like NA competitive"
Look, pro teams don't care about qts, because it isn't effective training, they get more value from training against other pro teams, it helps them improve faster, for pros qts are a way to have some stress relief and stop tryharding most of the time and about the bronze silver and gold tournaments that were there just as we have qts now, it wouldn't really matter, cus it's the same idea in the core

[thorn shale]

U are completely missing my point,

1. A balanced game doesnt have that whole loop issue, thats caused by overbuffing or overnerfing a tank which destroys the balance of the game im not a wg employee but as someone with a brain i can assure u it isnt too difficult go balance a game around its top players because at worst all that does is encourages lesser skilled players to learn the game
   U can link a team to it's in game captain or have a rule if 5 or more players of a single team move clans those players will still be able to qualify the or hear me out here is that wg might have to communicate with it's community lol or worst case scenario just make the team re-qualify if their worthy of top 8 it wont be that difficult as I've proven before
   Im saying pro teams not taking qts seriously is why top 16 teams will never actually pose a threat to top 8 teams without being trained because they dont gain any actual experience by facing teams that arent trying

[crisp shore]

now if u see a team running less than 5 heavies its just an insta loss

MERCY would like to know your location

[thorn shale]

NA is no where near as good as russia our top 1 clan in this current winter season would probably get swept by russias 8th seat or worse

[carmine solstice]

I mean at the moment 8 is good because the teams boosting wr who got high places initially are starting to get pushed out now. If and when the seeding system changes less ascents would be necessary I think?

[limber lintel]

A balanced game doesnt have that whole loop issue, thats caused by overbuffing or overnerfing a tank which destroys the balance of the game im not a wg employee but as someone with a brain i can assure u it isnt too difficult go balance a game around its top players because at worst all that does is encourages lesser skilled players to learn the game
it's not that easy, pro players will always prefer a certain meta, the fact that you are not being very polite and assuming you have an authority, how do you know it's easy to balance the game, did u ever do so?
false authority, use real argument not monkey argument pls
and also, you can't balance your game based on the top 1% or your game will most likely lose a large chunk of the player base

[crisp shore]

NA is no where near as good as russia our top 1 clan in this current winter season would probably get swept by russias 8th seat or worse

You made a point there exactly. CIS server teams frequently run less than 5 heavies and they are still the best teams in the entire game. My point is that you can excel with less than 5 heavies, though that requires a lot of training and communication.

I mean at the moment 8 is good because the teams boosting wr who got high places initially are starting to get pushed out now. If and when the seeding system changes less ascents would be necessary I think?

For small communities yes, but for large and competitive communities like EU and CIS, I think 8 is not a bad number. Even Asia server needs 8 PYS to decide the top 8 tbf because how closely matched the 13-15 teams are there.

[eternal vapor]

Tournament
Is when both team come to show off an individual strategy were tanks dose not play a vital role were as a map dose

[thorn shale]

Yes i have actually balanced a game before it is not hard. I did not say i did not have experience i said I don't work for wg. I talk down to u from my pedastal because u didnt understand basic implications of my argument now please stop replying to me and wasting my time thx. Btw nice switch from a losing argument to instead devaluing mine with ur superior "not monkey argument"

[dim river]

tanks play more of a role than map, any good tourney clan has pages and pages of strategy for every map

[limber lintel]

U can link a team to it's in game captain or have a rule if 5 or more players of a single team move clans those players will still be able to qualify the or hear me out here is that wg might have to communicate with it's community lol or worst case scenario just make the team re-qualify if their worthy of top 8 it wont be that difficult as I've proven before
a captain/caller is nothing without a good team that will listen and can think for themselves, also linking it to players, that's not gonna work cus it's basically useless then, cus you would have to do the maths for how many you need etc. and it's just a hastle, teams with one person under the required number of previous top players will start moaning, so it's not that good of an idea

Im saying pro teams not taking qts seriously is why top 16 teams will never actually pose a threat to top 8 teams without being trained because they dont gain any actual experience by facing teams that arent trying
top 16 teams can train against each other, and they will face the top 8 teams in the PYS, it isn't a full-on training, but you will learn a lot, top 16 clans won't learn a lot from qts, obviously, cus half the time the teams in there are, let's say, below average

[thorn shale]

I wish NA was as competitive as ru as a light/med driver/caller it is very sad that i am forced to submit myself to the meta becuz i am not yet as good as ru players ;-;

[crisp shore]

We are also talking about balancing a game with different tanks that have their uniqueness. The context for every game is very different and the difficulty in balance also changes accordingly. However, I do agree with your point on E4 and FV4202, and they should be brought into the fray. Wargaming is really cautious not to make a tank overpowered as they did a good job in finding a good balance for AMX M4 mle. 54. I can see why balancing tanks in this game is difficult because you do not have a lot of testing grounds for changes.

Also the up-and-rising clans will know not to train from QT (though QT also has a purpose for training too ngl) and instead train from having an appointment with those top 8 clans in training rooms so they can try out strats and methods. Besides, you have all those amazing streamers (self-advertisement time) streaming high-level competitive tournaments which are great opportunities to learn from the strongest clans in the game. You have a lot of tools to work with and I don't think it is impossible for new clans to break through. We already see -ENT- from Asia breaking into the top 8 and EU server probably 7URKS.

[eternal vapor]

@dim river probably of winning is not base on tanks. A well strategic plans on map does

[dim river]

it’s more on the tanks and players behind said tanks rather than strategy, as once a massive team brawl happens, all strategy breaks down to “focus fire”

[limber lintel]

first of all, what game? there isn't a lot of games that are so in-depth as blitz, imo, different hitboxes, armor profiles, reload time, pen, ... the list goes on I'm not saying you are not working on a good game, I'm asking you if it is similar to blitz in some way. 2nd of all, the fact that I don't get your point means you have to further tell me what I am misunderstanding, instead of taking a false authority argument, now you are just shutting down the conversation, idek why, is it because you got offended cus I said you are not an authority, and since when was I losing, you have yet to actually break down my arguments, you only said I misunderstood, and then proceeded to stop the conversation, and devaluing your argument? of course I'm gonna question authority arguments, when the authority doesn't give a reason on why it's an authority, the not monkey argument was just a joke, but fam, calm down, and explain instead of running away, cus then you just admit your loss to me, but not to yourself, telling urself you are right the whole time, without questioning it, thinking of yourself as all-knowing, and francly that's not how you are gonna keep a critical view
😉

edit: let me rephrase that last part, I didn't say you lost the debate I guess I should call it, but don't walk away, since all you did then was open a debate, put francly no valid arguments forward, yet tell me I lost the convo cus I debunked one of your arguments with a valid reason

[crisp shore]

Well from what I see as a commentator from the games, winning in a match is based on several different factors. Tank selection is important. Initial strategies are important. Mid-to-late-game responses are important. Reaction to surprises is important. Teamwork in setting up formation and focus fire is important. There is no single way to win every match every time, so it has to be a combination of the above factors I said above, which is really good because at least there is no one single way to win tournaments which can make them very boring to watch if so.

[eternal vapor]

@dim river tanks only are just chances of winning at tournaments, just as playing on regular were all individual are on daily tasks.

[thorn shale]

The problem with blitz is that wg balances tanks based off pub statistics of unreliable players the 55-65% range is not a good range of players to take from if instead they took from even 60-70 it would make things much more clear or just again look at whats being played in comp i was actually arguing that the 4202 should never be used in comp just because of the type of tank it is but tanks like a jg e 100 or an e3 have kind of lost their place in the meta entirely to e100s and krans due to overbuffing literally every heavy except the maus and vk's

Also one of NA's biggest problems is that top 4 teams gain literally nothing from scrimming bottom of top 8 or top 16 teams same for top 8 teams with top 16 the skill gap is too wide to make an adgument for why betta would be allowed to scrim cpg or mm or purpl it is literally just not worth their time and thats why NA is big ded

tournerment will be on this satuerday and it will be end on this sunday

[crisp shore]

Also one of NA's biggest problems is that top 4 teams gain literally nothing from scrimming bottom of top 8 or top 16 teams same for top 8 teams with top 16 the skill gap is too wide to make an adgument for why betta would be allowed to scrim cpg or mm or purpl it is literally just not worth their time and thats why NA is big ded
Now that's a good point here and I think the community should also play a part in getting it grow. The big clans should offer advice and help to these clans languishing at the bottom and I believe these clans are hard-working but they just do not have the learning material here. I will try my best to deliver that material through my stream and if I have time, through videos, so I hope in the long run these clans will benefit from the tips and improve massively in their gameplay.

[limber lintel]

first of all as I said, balancing the game according to the top 1% will not work, super unicums will do 3k avg in tanks like the BC easily most of the time, that shouldn't mean WG has to nerf them,

Also top 4 teams don't train against top 8 a lot because they want to improve themselves, so of course they prefer playing top 8

This isn't something in WGs hands tho, that is the teams/clans that decide themselves

P.S. why you not answering anymore? comon man, don't walk away
P.P.S. you still haven't said which game you are in the balancing team for

[cold dew]

better to not waste your time with him rine

[atomic tartan]

I stopped reading when the RU fanboys came out. Its like they completely missed the heavy tank buffs or something and didnt watch either Twister 2019, RU Spring 2020 and RU Blitz Cup.

the 2nd placed team in NA has a 10% winrate against us in fall seasons since they formed. and i'm still willing to bet they can take on triple T-22 and a Vickers 7STAR i.e. Blitz Cup RU

[crisp shore]

If you are referring to my point, then as recent as Blitz International Cup, 3 T-22 medium or 2 T-22 medium and 1 Vickers Light lineups are not a rarity for CIS teams and they are very good with that. That being said, I'm interested in watching how NA teams take on CIS teams

[atomic tartan]

No. I'm talking about top 4 final stage in RU Blitz Cup. 7STAR evolved their lineups to include more heavies when previously a Kranvagn would have to be imported from Mars. Why such a change? Because despite having a stronger more experienced player roster and much MUCH better coordination than C4 in the opening round, they still either won by a hair or straight up lost because with a lineup where 4 tanks have under 2k hp, no alpha and no reactive, you just can't take on heavies that either have almost 3k hp or reactive armor, you can't hold when you're getting pushed by them, and you can't run around forever before they seal the angles and get double cap.

[thorn shale]

After 2 days of learning and practicing na meta who do u have winning: the 4th seat in cis or pramo right now

4th seat in cis (since cooldown)

[vital obsidian]

So much messages

[atomic tartan]

4th seat in CIS or NA?

[thorn shale]

4th seat in cis against pramo

[crisp shore]

It also depends on the map. If you are talking about Dynasty's Pearl, Mayan Ruins, New Bay etc., then yes you won't see any team putting less than 5 heavies in their lineup.

[atomic tartan]

4th seat right now is LINCE which....seems like a new clan. MERCY are in 5th at the moment. the first thing to take note of is that neither MERCY or SPEED seem to be operating at their previous Blitz Cup levels

[narrow meteor]

@thorn shale you forget RGN competed with the best RU team in Twister. Also, C4 got 4th a couple years ago in Seattle soooooo

[thorn shale]

I think the gap between rgn and pramo is wider than the gap between the best russian team and the 4th seat which is why im saying pramo would probably lose to most top 8 russian teams not finna fanboy but thats just how i see it

@narrow meteor i didnt forget that, thats pretty much the basis of my argument, rgn was more or less pretty even with 7star and rgn beat pramo 14-2 and still beats pramo very onesidedly in fall season which is where im getting 90% of my opinion from

[limber lintel]

meta changed a lot since then, but I still believe RGN is a very strong team, I don't think you can compare the twister 2019 meta to the meta we currently have is all I'm saying

[crisp shore]

Also imagine using 2021 C4 to compare with 2018 C4 🤔

[next trellis]

Couldnt have said it better myself.

[narrow meteor]

@crisp shore no, I’m just saying that at the time C4 was the number one team in RU

[atomic tartan]

interesting you bring that up because in 2019, we gave them a challenge even though the meta was fast lineups i.e. RU specialty. skip forward to November 2020 when "C4" (no one on this team was there in Seattle. not one. 2018 is not relevant.) beat 7STAR in the opening round. a team of essentially rookies upshot the previous world champions due to a simple lineup difference based around juiced heavy tanks. which server's meta does that remind you of? which server has been running such lineups since the beginning of comp? 🤔

[thorn shale]

Get rid of heavy meta return to 140

[next trellis]

I think the NA meta is the most effective out of all the servers because its the most reliable but its also quite a boring meta and sometimes I just wanna try EU, and i dont mean that in a rude way, sometimes change is nice.

[atomic tartan]

NA meta is more boring than five E5 and double Kran meta? that's....rude

[crisp shore]

Like what stijn577 said, the CIS server evolved a lot since 2018 and has got a lot stronger than before. I haven't watched back the CIS streams for this season PYS yet but it will be hard to compare the present to the 2018 situation. It is still pretty much anyone's guess into which clan would win in a hypothetical situation.

However, I do also want to point out that the tank selection is not one of the only reasons why we are seeing the results of 7STAR vs. C4. What I think CIS server is based heavily on is a certain number of key moves and tank formation (i.e. how well-connected the tanks are positioned to support one another). I am aware that the NA meta is a good counter to the CIS meta, but there are also several other factors coming into play and I do not think one factor dominate over the other by a lot.

[thorn shale]

@atomic tartan can we poach u to naps clan we have top of the line cookies 🤣
This meta is boring in general tho 215b foch prog meta was genuinely fun ngl

[civic glacier]

Lmao

[limber lintel]

it was fun, but there wasn't a lot of tactics involved, it was too enabling to high agressive almost yolo-like rushes,
also @thorn shale admit ur defeat in our debate or continue it, 😉

[next trellis]

I did mention sometimes. Not all the time. The manner I said it was not in a rude way at all.

[crisp shore]

Also teams approach the "meta" in different ways too, not necessarily a monotonic approach. They do bring surprising variations and hence I do not think currently there is a meta which is extremely boring to watch -- at least we don't see a Campstilla every so often (i.e. both teams in position to reset all 3/4 caps so that no team is able to get a cap at all).

[shrewd iron]

Yall need to get on Asia level 🤣😉

[crisp shore]

focus the maus huehuehue

[jovial moth]

You say this but then there is @narrow meteor ‘s team, which is 2nd on all of NA, still throwing to PURPL to get them into top 8

[dim river]

GV be like:

[thorn shale]

@jovial moth we dont talk about that here everyone has their "off days"

[next trellis]

Im talking about Meta. Please read the conversation before commenting. Im not going to comment actions of pramo and purpl. Not trying to get into any drama.

[surreal hinge]

Love u radium ❤️

[jovial moth]

Chipotle has formally left the chat 💀

[crisp shore]

I knew it! GV is right all along! 😮 (I got rekt oops)

[shrewd iron]

Knew us asia server players were onto something #focusthemaus

[civic glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/godzillavskong-gif-20097052

[thorn shale]

Ape strong

[burnt glacier]

Apes are smart (one of them byte Godzilla). Once upon a time they will win Twister cup.

[next trellis]

Yes!! 🦞 🙂

[analog osprey]

@narrow meteor C4 didn’t play with their main team like EG- in 2019

[urban river]

I mean... are you joking?

[next trellis]

idk.... are you joking?

[devout raven]

jokeception

[patent quartz]

i understand him tbh, your statement regarding NA server is questionnable... not skillwise, but the activity in PYSs is i think not making it fun to play on, idk about top teams there but at least that's how i see it.

[analog osprey]

NA server shocked me the day I saw 7x is4 vs 7x is4 on desert sands xD

I’m sure it was moe idea

[thorn shale]

now its 7e5 vs 7e5

[next trellis]

I dont understand what your trying to say. Can you rephrase it?

[patent quartz]

your statement regarding NA server being the best among all the servers is questionnable imo because of low activity, no offense nor anything ofc, that's why i understand leggo's reaction

[devout raven]

how toxic is NA?

[urban river]

NA is just above ASIA, then EU and RU on the Top... Your serv is just about full heavys, there’s not that much of skill, relocates, its a "go bases 7 heavys kill reds"

[analog osprey]

Expect RGN*

[next trellis]

Oh no I meant the NA meta, Of course NA lacks in teams because it is a much smaller server and overall is less enjoyable to watch. I wasnt stating that NA is the best, I meant that the NA meta is the most effective imo. @patent quartz

[civic glacier]

😘

[lusty flint]

😘

[supple hearth]

Just ban is4 from comp on NA, it will be more interesting to watch right away

[civic glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/fbi-calling-tom-gif-12699976

[next trellis]

Yes

[lusty flint]

https://tenor.com/view/traffic-fbi-open-up-raid-gif-13450966

[winged saffron]

Is4 only tank for me

[devout raven]

wouldnt mind seeing that for a short period fo time

[supple hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/what-unsure-huh-bruh-seriously-gif-8877779 @winged saffron

[crisp shore]

I totally agree 😉

[winged saffron]

Yesterday my team encountered a team that used 6 Maus, was interesting lol

[crisp shore]

Very soon, 3very, Fugit and I are back with Prove Your Skill #6 final stage. We are following APA, IMM0R and 7URKS respectively and the top 8 is still up for grabs. Tonight will show a clearer picture as to who is in the top 8. Find out all here:

3very: Link available later
Fugit: https://youtu.be/jkSkNPYF4FM
Wildoneshelper: https://youtu.be/Wobhk15fwhw

[winged saffron]

@crisp shore Do you know who was streaming NA yesterday?

[crisp shore]

3very is on PRAMO and Fishy is on CPG

Hope that Moe is not yawning at the streamers' coverage though 🤔

[green plover]

O I didn’t see that there 😆

[jade lichen]

Again bugging?

[autumn nacelle]

it looks like it fked again

[thorn shale]

again the server is fcked up

[thorn shale]

Did I just step back in time to 2018?

🤔

[azure ibex]

Is the tournaments bugged on eu ?

[jade lichen]

y

[thorn shale]

yeah again. WG gets so many money and cant even make tournaments work . kinda sad

[tawdry inlet]

Again bug 😂

[thorn shale]

....nice wg

[normal quest]

tournaments don’t work

[thorn shale]

again....

[analog osprey]

XDDDDD

[regal crypt]

yep

[tired kernel]

I hope we get some compensation....

[tropic vapor]

Op

[latent prism]

Not even starting a game is possible.. all teams in tournament`s is gone..funny...
Covid overload servers

[jagged seal]

Tournaments broken again

[heady thistle]

yeh it is

[swift roost]

I require free candy for a month as compensation

[solar juniper]

we have the same problem, even on monday it happened

[limpid geyser]

Oh boiiiii, tour is broken

[devout cairn]

F....

[tired prawn]

Hey m’am, seems like issues decided to encourage my friends.

[covert rain]

I just started on a new lego car

[frank forum]

Fantastic!

[wary bronze]

Wg, pls go and f uck yourself

[tropic vapor]

@calm atlas did loca win?..can‘t see it cause yk tourney xd

[glad elm]

go and get some cornflakes

[next trellis]

im assuming something bad happened on EU

[devout cairn]

Man ey Wargaming. Bitte überarbeitet mal eure Server. Das macht echt keinen Spaß mehr so !

[olive frigate]

tournament broken, will they fix it ?

[signal comet]

🥶

[calm atlas]

Epic wargaming, i recommend u fix ur broken servers instead of next premium tank for hundreds of dollars cuz in wot I fly and I still have connection with discord on SAME WIFI, because of that we probably lost this battle and all match. Keep adding glowing camouflages and bats above the tank. Everything is good

[dire pawn]

Tournaments 😩 again crashing

[frank forum]

Give a sign WG! Learn communication. Look here for a tip: https://discordstatus.com

[thorn shale]

why we cant do it squad for quick?

Second round invite should have been sended already, but none has arrived to any of my team mates. @muted ore

Are tournaments brocken ?

[versed field]

Rip tournament

[sly hornet]

sebul

[calm atlas]

I’m not even talking about random battles, it’s about qualifying tournaments to one big with REAL MONEY prize pool

[turbid sinew]

hi @calm atlas

[muted ore]

Hello. We are already trying to fix the problem.

[crimson island]

@versed field are you playing with ve1l?

[timber drum]

nope, not anymore

[olive frigate]

so we should wait to play ? @muted ore

[feral oar]

@muted ore Will be the tournament tonight or other day?

[thorn shale]

Sad news

[versed field]

They beat us like no one ever before.

[thorn shale]

Thanks for the answer. Will the tourney continue today or will you move it to other day?

[frank forum]

Ask WG ; )

[next trellis]

The sad part is that the camo isnt even that nice

[muted ore]

@feral oar @thorn shale Unfortunately, it will not be possible to solve the problem with some battles quickly.
These battles will be rescheduled for tomorrow.
We apologize for this.

[thorn shale]

Thanks for the fast answer. Why are teams still playing the tourney tho @muted ore But my team without invate still tho

[crisp shore]

Will the teams play the bracket of the final stage all over again tomorrow? @muted ore

[versed field]

Is our games with ve1l counted? Or did they got bugged and we have revenge tommorrow?😂😂😂

[azure pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/801000250910179362/809148572989390878/image0.png?width=315&height=682

[thorn shale]

rip AQVA no opponent

[azure pecan]

games were played but server didnt agree

[muted ore]

The battles with which there were problems were rescheduled for tomorrow.
Battles start at 20:00 CET
You can view the time in the game client.

[strange spruce]

Are these results counted?

[winged saffron]

It seems weird that that’s the only match not counted

[azure pecan]

@muted ore post poned or rematched ?
we need lights on hsop vs veil issue

[crisp shore]

Nope 7URKS vs RA1D match not counted too per the system

[muted ore]

@azure pecan No, there were technical problems during this battle.
The battle has been rescheduled for tomorrow.

[cobalt yarrow]

there is no problem 7URKS vs RA1D games but it's not counting in game

[thorn shale]

Thanks

[tranquil seal]

😂

[pale finch]

Will the fair battles be counted despite the bug? Like my team was the only one that didn’t receive an invite for the quarter finals but -BPS-, 7URKS and CARNA still won their quarter finals all fair and square

[inland solstice]

we won quarter finals already - are you saying we have to replay the game again lol

[azure pecan]

similar situation, veil played and won without particular technical issues i guess, but it looks like its getting rematched anyways

[hallow sundial]

What kind of problems are we even talking

[thorn shale]

😂

[solar coral]

nice

[hollow sigil]

We have replay that proves win, is that not valid ?
If we just send replays in then WG knows what happened , no need for some rematch thing

[chilly hemlock]

Nothing would surprise me at this point. Win rate boosting is still allowed after months now

[pale finch]

So the logical solution is: Count VE1L vs HSOP as a victory for VE1L ( since they actually won... ), first battle VE1L vs AQVA and after this the semi finals will be played, that’s the only logical way to solve it - edit @crisp shore that’s what I implied saying that semi finals should be played afterwards

[crisp shore]

And also count 7URKS vs RA1D and -BPS- vs SNTY results

[thorn shale]

but you have to count the victories of BPS and 7URKS otherwise it is not legit

[sonic iron]

Ok

[hallow sundial]

We have the replays which we can provide... If we have to play again bcause of a wg mistake i have no more words.

[cobalt yarrow]

thats very simple VE1L vs AQVA play quarter-final tomorrow 20.00 and winner play againist 7URKS in semi at 20.30
other side at 20.30 BPS and CARNA play semi

[tired prawn]

Yes, buy new bulldog and ignore the fact you gonna face Smasher and Anni. It’s related to current situation just to make people happier because of some issues.

[hollow sigil]

?? This is tournament channel

[thorn shale]

🥔 🐵

Nice 5 min delay still less delayed than your servers

[thorn shale]

Thanks man i will do that

[atomic tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-lol-haha-config-issue-j-jonah-jameson-gif-15637807

[azure pecan]

same it looks like perfect solution

[thorn shale]

Exactly

[leaden belfry]

From what I understand, all the games were over, just not registered. There's plenty of replays as proof of the actual results, why can't wg use those?

[tranquil seal]

Specialists are working on it

[tired prawn]

Also specialists: ♿

[hollow sigil]

“Specialists”

[versed field]

I can speak by HSOP side that VE1L won us 2-1 it was fair games, no bug

[urban river]

@thorn shale @atomic tartan

[solar coral]

Leggo frero

[dry heron]

mby the teams who loses should just let the winner team pass that"s not difficult

[thorn shale]

Exactly or its not fair lmao

5min chat delay? Atleast not as delayed as the servers

[atomic tartan]

@urban river its not an RGN thing. that's still just not a fair thing to say about NA in general man

[remote sleet]

You are really want to trust on the fairness of the players ? Imagine apa would be in the quarterfinals lol

[thorn shale]

@analog osprey hello broo :))

[hallow sundial]

If you don‘t you rigg the system. Would be nothing new...
I just hope Wg fixes this.

@versed field
I would wish every1 would have this Sportsmanship.

[dry heron]

idk if raid will think like that @remote sleet i hope all the teams who loses will juste accept i mean there was no problem in games, it's only about servs

[muted ore]

Unfortunately, we can't 100% verify that right now. The data was lost.
Also, the match itself did not end correctly, its results were not taken into account due to a problem.

These battles will be rescheduled.

[hollow sigil]

We have replays that show the results
What more proof do you need
No data is lost when some games were streamed and there are replays of the others
Each team earned their victory

[thorn shale]

We have the replays....

[cobalt yarrow]

actually you can verify from both sides of teams and it will be easy if you want to verify actually @muted ore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wobhk15fwhw there is link.
BPS won their games too both sides will agree i believe

[shrewd iron]

Data was lost lmfao check wildones stream... The match itself didn't end correctly how lmao

[inland solstice]

one of the games was even streamed - i mean if that’s not proof idk what is. edit: replays can’t be faked... surely this is enough evidence also.

[tranquil seal]

Let's not make war against each others. You can't ask others to lose games because WG messed up. It is them who have to ensure fairness. I trust they will.

[crisp shore]

The games of 7URKS vs. RA1D were streamed by me and I can verify that the games were conducted fairly. -BPS- vs. SNTY and VE1L vs. HSOP games also have replays and I can offer to stream those replays on my stream right now

[sly hornet]

ye but if the other team wins now, some teams gonna be mad boi... then this chat gonna explode once more

[thorn shale]

RA1D Cried, and the tournament cancelled. 😂 CRY RA1D HAHAHA @foggy rover @fervent adder @fathom knot@regal agate @tame shoreXD Keep thinking about winning.

[muted ore]

@crisp shore Unfortunately, recording the broadcast or replay can not help in this case.
The battles ended with a technical failure.
We can't just put a result into them.

[flat goblet]

Whack

[wet tide]

@thorn shale ?

[analog osprey]

Yea we should lose tomorrow and let BPS win but we can’t forget the 4th ascent how we didn’t play the final stage cuz some emulators and share accs fked us. Wg still didn’t answer they basically ignored that and I’m sure we won’t get bonus.

[jade spoke]

@thorn shale veri funi

[shrewd iron]

I hope the teams th**w to each other tomorrow and give the w to the rightful winners of today 💯
Thatll register it

[hallow sundial]

@muted ore How is it possible that Teams have to suffer bcause there was a mistake on your side clearly.
If you don‘t figure out a way to let the correct winners win you have to be aware that you probably change the whole ranking.

[pale finch]

How can you not fix that...? Just move the other teams to the next round, what's the issue? You can see all the games so I'm pretty confused. Like this doesn't impact me or my team in any way, shape or form but why would played and won battles for a team not count when there is simple and easily accessible evidence of the games being played and the results..? If this happened to me I'd be pissed especially since the cups matter so much right now for some of the teams

[opal olive]

True. Every year New problem :)

[azure pecan]

i mean yeah, and even more when 5th to 12th place is that close
it s clearly unsuitable to rematch without taking into account any of the games

[thorn shale]

Its just insane INSANE lmfao

[crisp shore]

So the results cannot be input manually?

[cobalt yarrow]

the battles did'nt ended with technical issue we won by supremacy and i think it's fair right ?

[remote sleet]

Same

[hollow sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/hacker-pc-meme-matrix-codes-gif-16730883
Wg putting in the scores like they should

[worldly verge]

:3

[olive patio]

I think 7URKS played well, idk why it's ended they won

[unborn oak]

Why did all the other first games of all the other clans counted . Accept for veils?? I dont think this is fair.

[visual tendon]

Hope WG will fixe this... otherwise we'll play for the win

[tranquil seal]

Perfectly understandable
Still sucks though

[thorn shale]

War gaming...
WHY?
Why was the tournament canceled?
WHY? Are you afraid that the Turks will win?
WİNNER 7URKS.

[dry heron]

xD

[analog osprey]

we were tempted to let BPS win tomorrow but considering the problem comes from WG and not us and considering how many teams exploit the system, share account and are not punished and disturb the ranking, we wont let that happen in any way or form.

[hallow sundial]

Thats what Im talking about @muted ore You can‘t put the fairness in the hands of the players.

[flat goblet]

I’m pretty sure every time there has been technical issues, the results get wiped. Idk why people are expecting this time to be different, WG just doesn’t do that for whatever reason.

[frigid lodge]

There is a very simple solution. Prizes can be distributed according to existing records and the tournament is restarted with lots from step 1 ??

[thorn shale]

Also Im curious about Prove Your Skill battles. if someone has a video of it can u send it to dms? :o I want to learn smth from it ^^

[sly hornet]

or just delete tournament

[thorn shale]

ScOrEs? NoT fOuNd

[hollow sigil]

Xd

[gentle sierra]

Semo 🧠

[agile depot]

Lol baron

[olive patio]

Exactly xd

[tired prawn]

Hey let souls play again against carna thank

[green orchid]

🍿

[cyan timber]

Funny joke

[shrewd iron]

🍚🍚🍚

[patent quartz]

btw, there's nothing personal about this @hallow sundial, but we've suffered the system for too long, WG also ignored our report on a team we lost to because they most likely shared account (not an excuse but still it influenced our match and depending on who it might have been could cost us the top8), we will most likely play the games if there are any...

[half urchin]

Win a TwisterCup little boi and then try to talk properly again 😘

[sly hornet]

they should give every team 1000 extra points as compensation

[thorn shale]

ticket machine go brr

[inland solstice]

semo 🧠

[flat goblet]

🧠

[urban river]

@hallow sundial We (SNTY) lost against -BPS-, I can send my replays, with our 2-1 lose against you, like we played bad and you were better, but after all the seeding abuse, and the team abusing shared accounts, if we can take a revenge (doesn’t matter the result) we will play.

[thorn shale]

Hahahahah
Tell me why the tournament was canceled?
Why was it canceled while earning 7URKS?
💩 WG💩 Cry

[thorn tinsel]

Bonjour moi je suis un radiateur et j'aime bien les iceberg

[dry heron]

@half urchin do you think u will play the match tomorrow ? i mean did you encounter any problem in the match which apparently would change the result ?

[visual tendon]

can we even speak about fair play with this tournament ? 50% of the top8 teams are using WR system, others are using shared account... For the first time this system gives us a chance we shouldn't take it ? For a question of fair play ? What a joke

[quick hazel]

lol

[hallow sundial]

@patent quartz I understand that. I got raped by the system before too... you know that. But why would you then play if you are pissed bcause of wg. We played fair as far as I know.
Sorry to say but if you do that you clearly rigg the system by yourself.
I won‘t be personally pissed of you but surely will be disappointed.

[jade spoke]

lmao

[unborn oak]

This is actually sad that people wich deserve top8 . Get ruined by the mm and now this. Great great

[tired prawn]

Hey but Chinese bulldog - WG

[shrewd iron]

Ok so everyone wants to go again cause everyone gets treated unfairly. Lesgooo 😂 rematch time

[olive patio]

I think 7URKS played well despite being the new team but why wg canceled bruh

[half urchin]

just ping spikes and lags. dunno for sure if its server related 🤷‍♂️ just unlucky we didn’t had more players

[pale finch]

there is no reason to strive for a moral highground or a way of justifying that you will tryhard in the rematch because it doesn't matter also complaining about the system " messing you up " is pointless since youve also messed with the system before @patent quartz #ticketmachinegoesbrr

[cyan timber]

kekw

[solar coral]

xd some random ass turk curse RA1D, xddddd go back to your ayran pls and stop destroying your favourite clans reputation @thorn shale

[agile depot]

🍿

[dim river]

imagine inciting drama

also

🍿

[slate lark]

https://tenor.com/view/antman-what-the-hell-happened-here-avengers-gif-18240147

[visual tendon]

even this server have RNG with WG xD

[last cloud]

🍔 🍟 🧋

[dry heron]

so u will think about letting us win ? i also got some weird shoots bcs of the pings but i am not sure it could be use as an excuse tbh

[jade spoke]

PeepoSip