Hello,
Regarding technical issues which have been happened with tournament “Prove your skill #1" on ASIA all players of this tournament will receive a compensation - 1 day of the premium account at the nearest time.
#tourneys-discussion
frosty nexus
slim blade
thick coyote
1 day of premium account is worth
alpine adder
That’s a joke right lmao
thick coyote
@alpine adder wdym 1 day of premium is really worth of your time and resources used
alpine adder
bruhMoment.
vale matrix
thats a L
thorn shale
Lol
leaden belfry
Courtesy of @silver vapor;
Translated from twitter;
Current Status of Asian Servers
Our technical team has been working to resolve a technical issue in group 0 of the Asian server group, but it is expected to take a few days. In the meantime, server group 1 has been under a lot of pressure due to the large number of players registering and logging in, and has been unstable.
Due to this situation the fall season tournaments that started on September 2nd have been affected and some of them have been cancelled. We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience this may cause to players.
We're still debating a lot of things about compensation, but we'll publish here the policy we've already decided on.
- We have already sent out one day of premium accounts as compensation for the "proof of skill" phase.
- we will not cancel any of the progress you have made in the tournament. Don't worry, we won't cancel any of the progress made in the tournament.
- We'll announce the details of the tournament's extension and duration once the server situation stabilizes.
Our technical team is currently monitoring the server situation, but we have determined that with the high number of game logins expected over the weekend, we are likely to experience instability. Therefore, we will also be bringing in a group of servers for backups, but it will take some time due to the various steps involved.
Detailed information and status updates will be announced after the completion of the server stabilization process. Thank you for your support.
https://twitter.com/WoTBlitz_jpn/status/1301813959306035200?s=20
ornate agate
Just to update
silver vapor
legggo reset once more for Asia 🎊
buoyant rock
The screen freezes and bounces while the game is in progress. When will you fix this?
ornate agate
Hey Rexy will the standard 5/6 tournaments be on next week for the Asia server?
chilly terrace
Hey Rexy will the standard 5/6 tournaments be on next week for the Asia server?
@ornate agate V-VI quick tournaments is held each Friday in September
ornate agate
Ok, thanks for the info
crisp shore
Asia has more teams in Saturday/Sunday than Tuesday/Wednesday series (#2>#1)! Congrats!
thick coyote
😐
eager aurora
very well
forest matrix
@chilly terrace any news about iOS patch release ? Got a couple of freeze yesterday while playing and it would be a relief to update prior this evening tournament
crisp shore
Hopefully not a copy of Summer Ascent Tournaments #9 fiasco for iOS users
thick coyote
eto fiasco bratan , fiasco @crisp shore
crisp shore
Heh?
lament steeple
Tourney is today right? For Asia server? Where i can see that?
crisp shore
There is a PYS tournament tonight. However, there is stream coverage only in final stage, which means you can't see them tonight, but tomorrow. @lament steeple
rare barn
Hi
velvet dome
Today i did not lag so much. But still had some. So thanks @chilly terrace for the improved state. Still need improvement but its a start.
zealous fractal
I’m game has been freezing and I’m having to close and reopen wotblitz and it said my graphics and to high for my divice and the lag has been bad , so Iv don’t the update and turned all graphics up to high and it seems ok it’s not crashed yet since update so hopefully it’s ok THANKYOU
half urchin
@forest matrix must be an update in the store. i updated it today
onyx vapor
👍 👍
glass thunder
7th team on eu with 100% wr account
thorn shale
Ok well if the system is rigged everyone has a right to use it.
glass thunder
yes man players did say to wg system not working how it should be
but wg kept saying system is great and now we have this
soon you get 8 teams with 100% wr account xd
all top 5 on wr on eu now have 100% wr account
crisp shore
Well in the end, it might even benefit the teams who are lower down in the seeding 😂 😂
gentle sierra
Its just sad
obsidian vine
Why can’t WG keep the system how it is, but add more stat variables. Like the battles, av dmg winrate over the last 3,000 battles or something. or simply prohibit accounts with say under 1000 battles....
pale finch
It’s pretty depressing yeah, in spring I thought LXN were in the wrong for abusing it but honestly you can’t blame the players when the system is at fault.
burnt glacier
@gentle sierra you are totally right
gentle sierra
@burnt glacier can u not ?
bronze girder
Its just sad
@gentle sierra it indeed is our lord
thorn shale
WG are you going to make something about all this or you will just let all this clans abuse the system like this? Kinda pathetic
crisp shore
I definitely need to brainstorm quickly on a method to fix tournament seeding
glass thunder
WG are you going to make something about all this or you will just let all this clans abuse the system like this? Kinda pathetic
@thorn shale they did nothing about it from 2018 man , same problem with tickets when it was reported here wg wait till all abuse it to change it
they didn't even remove missiles when all players gave negative feedback in #surveys
and showed them that most of players hate missiles and don't want them in the game
thorn shale
@crisp shore don’t waste your time it won’t be implemented
crisp shore
Well it's good to think right? I mean a large part of the reason why we have double elimination for a group of 8 teams is because of some enthusiastic players suggesting the idea.
analog osprey
@thorn shale cut_cut_cut_... is what?
half urchin
Big GG for not fixing the seeding exploit. So sad that a game developing company can't improve a simple seeding by taking the number of battles in account
thorn shale
@thorn shale cut_cut_cut_... is what?
@analog osprey not a 100wr acc for sure
core nice reroll too btw
pale finch
Big GG for not fixing the seeding exploit. So sad that a game developing company can improve a simple seeding by taking the number of battles in account
@half urchin yeah it’s truly sad, last tournament my team got to skip first round but today more teams has put 100% win rate account so have to start at 20:00, so stupid and this system just rewards rerolling as it makes it easier for you to qualify
crisp shore
INB4 we see a team with 3 players having 100% WR 😂
half urchin
you remember the time in spring tournament, many of you flaimed RA1D for using the ticket exploit. now look at yourself abusing the WR-Seeding-Exploit 😂 😂
its a meme
@pale finch u already saw? because of this fcked up system we are meeting in semi-finals. GG 👏
gentle sierra
When u cant get into the top8 simply because you are good enough , improvise adapt overcome
proud holly
Hahaha ego time
pale finch
Really? Same thing happened on Sunday with us meeting loca in semi finals, without the teams win rate abusing us and loca are top 3 teams by win rate if I’m not mistaken @half urchin but anyways will be fun seeing the mediocre teams have easy way to finals while continuous top teams fight each other in semis or quarters...
analog osprey
@thorn shale he will play. It’s not with a 72winrate we will boost the winrate xddd
thorn shale
ok bro good info
crimson island
🦄
patent quartz
just let them use rerolls, they'll have the pleasure to get destroyed 7/0 twice in a row on Live by the teams that don't abuse it, they'll get what they deserve since they won't earn sh*t off this tournament, Top8 teams list is already decided and everyone knows it.
gentle sierra
@patent quartz toxic !!!!
thorn shale
very toxic indeed, bad spit
patent quartz
it's not toxic, it's facts, you don't need reroll if you have the skill to make a difference, let them abuse it and end up top16. all they can do is adapt their wr to not face the best top 8 teams in early stages
thorn shale
Um there is something called strongest to weakest. A lot of teams can make top 8 but get screwed CONSTANTLY by the brackets. There are definitely more than 8 teams on each server that have the capability to make it there. @patent quartz well some teams can’t make it there because of their 58/59 career. And then the teams with the higher wr get an easy bracket into the ticketed round. Strongest vs weakest sucks in general. Even in the ticket tournaments. Teams with low wr that can make top 8 can’t get there cause on the second round they are facing the first or second seed.
patent quartz
and that's the issue, it's the fact that some of those teams cannot get there because of these abusers, theses worthy teams that play the game fairly and that play better than 90% of them
winged saffron
If you don’t go by winrate, what would you go by? Just random bracket each night?
patent quartz
make a real average that takes the number of battles into account , otherwise let's pick 7 players and create 3x 100% acc
thorn shale
Maybe a personal rating that takes multiple statistics into count
hardy prairie
I mean, honestly, besides an elo system that takes into account performance of previous comp seasons, regular pub player stats don’t mean much and it’s pointless to really include such stats. At most, if WG wants to stick to the WR system, weigh the WR with battle counts and have some battle # restriction.
frail pendant
how to see the tournament !?
mild river
With your eyes? Or am I wrong
proud holly
@frail pendant on the official WoTBlitz website, there should be a Tournament page that shows current, future, and previous tournaments being hold/held. Some current tournies are streamable so you just go from there
frail pendant
nothing is available , i get in and cannt find the live stream now
gentle sierra
there is no live stream today , its tomorrow for the final stage
crisp shore
LOCA vs. RA1D in round of 16 👀
forest matrix
NV-E vs DEMOH also 👀
tropic lotus
there’s been arguments saying 100% accounts mess with the system, and there’s also been arguments saying accounts with more battles are weighted more than accounts with less battles
which is it?
crisp shore
Oh my RA1D seeded 12th 😂 😂 Is this a joke?
burnt glacier
Look our enemy in group stage and final stage. I mean question is What did change
crisp shore
Ngl if you are seeded 16th or 17th, you are in for a good draw 👀
fathom tiger
How hard would the seeding be based on cups?
burnt glacier
@crisp shore we r 9th
crisp shore
Yes indeed you are 9th in the seeding!
thorny carbon
I don’t know if a dev or someone in charge of the tourneys will notice this message, but honestly I need to let things out.
I want to get things right so 1st of, this is my first proper « twister ».
I also want to get out the way that I’m going to rant about the seeding system.
Here I’ll start my rant. Today we are three tournaments in this season. And one thing that is very noticeable is how bad the seeding system is. I don’t care about the argument that a long season will « flatten » the imperfections of the system. The team I’m in is not all white but honestly most teams aren’t. It is too easy to « rig » this system by getting rerolls with high win rates in the team, this benefits the team. It was used last twister to artificially increase wr and hence get a better seeding. This allows to get free cups by skipping rounds and fighting weaker teams. Over the last 3 tournaments, it’s a roughestimate but, I think this technique allows to get free trophies and also prevents some « unexpected » losses.
Last season a few teams we’re using it and to feat effect. Some teams managed to top8 or top 16 and (this is my opinion) were unworthy of it. This negativity impacts the showcase of high level play. It is detrimental for both players and wargaming. It doesn’t reflect a nice situation.
To maintain competitive teams are this year, forced to apply the same method. You might give an example that some top teams do not use this method...however they don’t have to due to naturally high win rates, so they keep themselves away from this practice.
This practice is encouraged by a flawed system and by the fact that carrer wr is difficult to change and this system makes it feel unfair. This is I feel, the biggest letdown that I have felt from wargaming. I do not complain about missiles, I do not complain about p2w. But this is just unfair and prevents smaller teams or even bigger teams to have a fair fight at a spot in the spotlight. Nospace leftPleaseupvotethis&shareopinion
Furthermore, as @fathom tiger said making a seeding based on trophies wouldn’t be too difficult and would likely solve the issue or at least be better than the current system. It could also be interesting to have a wr calculated with the last 30 days in mind. Something like wr/avgtier. This is my honest opinion about the matter and I hope that it will at least be considered.
nocturne plank
If i log into my brother’s account on my switch to get the free 1k gold and he is playing in the pro tourney, will his account get banned for account sharing?
crisp shore
Don't be an evil brother 😈
surreal hinge
lol
digital cargo
@chilly terrace sorry for the ping. I have a question about the team in the „prove your skill“ tours. When someone leave the team (and the clan) and already earned some cups, will the cups he earned get removed from the clan?
thorn shale
No they won’t @digital cargo.
pale finch
Yeah cups will stay
surreal hinge
can personally confirm that they do stay, changed clans during the ascent tournaments and the ones i earned stayed with me
slim socket
Lmao
surreal hinge
@winged saffron if you have a 2-in-1 pc, you can choose touch controls on it, but it'll still say he/she's playing on pc
winged saffron
I see
proud holly
Surface Pro has a tablet option
near anvil
TaylorSwiftNumber1Fan plays touch on a 2in1 and his control mode always showed up as touch iirc
obsidian vine
Nice censoring can literally see most tanks @winged saffron
winged saffron
Understandable, just slid the thing all over
narrow meteor
Bruh storm really out here getting a bye
surreal hinge
exploiting the system 101 XD
we realized that to get better seeding we had to put more rerolls, but the rerolls we have do have meta tanks, so they are there for a purpose, other than exploiting the system, if we need a backup or anything
harsh ember
cool bro
surreal hinge
yes very cool
proud holly
"hurrddududurr get better and beat them next time heeheehooo"
thorn shale
Actually it is a bit frustrating while the tournament matchmaker brings the strongest always as first opponent . Like in the one yesterday the ASP just wiped us on first fight. Thanks for a battle.
Maybe just should quit playing tournaments as an waste off time trying to collect players for team to play two games against teams using game pc emulators and all possible cheat mechanism for best results.
thorn shale
Just have been many times wondering how the enemy team always knows where your group at. And when you shoot all like bounces and creates zero damage while in normal games it makes damage normally while shooted on same spot.
thorn shale
It would be nice if the tournament would go on with group 16 and battles between that group teams.
proud holly
BURGER
balmy ocean
@chilly terrace as others have already brought up above, is anything going to be done about teams (7 of them now I believe) blatantly abusing the "WR Seeding" by using accounts that have like 1 battle and 100% wr to seed themselves higher in the tournament?
Because lets be real, none of those teams that are using this method to seed themselves as one of the top teams are anywhere close to being a top4 contender, most of them aren't even close to top 8 level. Despite this, they are able to easily gain cups and some of them will likely "cheat" their way into the top 8 by doing this. Sure they will get clapped later and lose anyway, but this makes the tournament a lot more frustrating for the actual top teams who are meeting each-other earlier like in the semi and quarter finals of both the first and second day of play, which risks eliminating a top team from possibly qualifying if they are facing another top team.
(Good example is us meeting RA1D today in the semi-finals of the first stage, sure we both stil go through as top4 but ra1d miss out on cups because of other teams having higher seed and getting easy opponents despite being way inferior to them in skill. Another good example is tomorrow's bracket where some teams are seeded into the 2nd round over teams like VE1L who are seeded in the first due to lower WR despite winning the last ascent)
There are some very simple solutions to this that I would hope you would explore.
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is just simply make the team "winrate" the average winrate across all battles played by the team, not have a person with 1 battle have the same WR weight for the team as someone with 50000.
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Alternatively just make a minimum battles requirement (5 or 10k should do) since any competitive player will easily have multiple times that amount (except for reroll sure, but those are the thing being used to cheat the tournament system in the first place, so who cares if some rerolls cant play they can just use their real accounts)
silver vapor
rerolls should be discounted from the total wr count by all means even if they have 30k+ battles
burnt glacier
min 300 battles in regular actually will be enough
balmy ocean
@burnt glacier no it would not, u still could have 90+ wr by playing in the "noob matchmaking" in low tiers and just buy tier X tank. id say 10k+ is fair, there isnt a single competitive player thats below that amount
forest matrix
@balmy ocean this seeding system is active since last twister.
At this stage very few realized how flawed it was cause of limited abuse. But 2nd tier clans realized very accurately how some reroll clans (lets say 4 or 5 reroll out of 10 players) made an easy way to top 8 (then as u say being destroyed by top clans but still earning some pro camos and avatars and above all some fun. Then in spring the abuse spread and first 100% account was made. Report was made in this channel. Very few cared. I am happy that we have more and more 100% cause now everyone realises how a weak seeding system it is and maybe WG will finally make improvements. Just sad that once again WG had to fall in the hole to address a point on which they received very specific feedback earlier.
I don’t like the weighing by battles principles cause this will always favor reroll over legacy players that started low but are today super unicums. The only fair system (that most clans use for recruiting btw) is taking into account last 30 days t10 battles. This will put everyone on an equal basis reroll or not.
Until maybe someday WG put in place some seeding based on clan results along the year(s) just as it is made in all sports actually (this would also favor clan stability and level of participation in all tournaments)
burnt glacier
@balmy ocean that is trash.I can understand 2k or even 3k but u are not thinking about real new players who want to take part in tournament.
I don't understand why WG don't want to do system with ignoring such rerolls accounts with less then 2k battles, for example...I mean don't count them at result WR
balmy ocean
@forest matrix yep agreed, anything is better than the current system. Tournament WR of players would also be ok imo, with "bigger" tournaments having more weight. Thats how rankings are done in other games but I'm guessing that would be too hard to implement so the other options mentioned would have to do here, but even those would be just fine.
@burnt glacier I mean I have not seen anyone below a 10k games (that is not a reroll) play at a high enough level to compete in tournaments. I understand newer players want to play in tournaments too, and I agree there should be nothing stopping them playing in quick tourneys and the other "casual" tourneys, or even these if they want. But for the pro tourneys with money on the line theres no reason why the game requirement isn't at least 5k and owning multiple "real" tier Xs. The first 5k games you do are in "newbie MM" anyway so even then your stats will be inflated af.
gaunt mist
@balmy ocean newbie MM doesn't exist on NA (and asia afaik) past tier 3 and 10 battles.
as for the tournaments, anyone can participate, but it's not like they'll win. seeding is hella flawed but we can only hope wg listens.
spice briar
The easiest way would be to count the winrate of the 7 players with most battles, that would exclude all rerolls and 100% wr accounts...unless a team consists of 10 such accounts which has not happened yet
burnt glacier
30 days is more fair,but I bet that WG will ignore 100%
thorny carbon
@balmy ocean let’s face it, it’s probably too late for this season which is sad...maybe next season...it’s nice to here that it also bothers you and your team. We’re kind of all in this together anyway.
wet tide
The easiest way would be to count the winrate of the 7 players with most battles, that would exclude all rerolls and 100% wr accounts...unless a team consists of 10 such accounts which has not happened yet
@spice briar then still again, what does my wr in random battles have to do with my ‘qualities’ of leading a tour team?
spice briar
@wet tide nothing, im not saying that it is a perfect system but it would be way better than the current one for sure, a system based on teams results in past tournaments obviously would be the best, but i doubt that this will happen
patent quartz
too "complex" @spice briar, just increasing the importance of the number of random battle of each player will make it good enough, and put a minimum of battles to 10k.
wet tide
Make it random xd
burnt glacier
Better to do system like in champions league or tennis,when it count your advantage in each big season and points that you earn in one season will drop in 5 years
fast hareBOT
Max1999#5835 has been warned.
thorn shale
@fast hare
thorn shale
Somehow the matchmaking worked better last twister season. We got equivalent opponents and it was somehow nice to play tournaments. Now you just get badest team on front and gone
thorn shale
This doesnt allow any team play development during tournament play while your team is gone after first two games. Last year we were like third or fourth round quite often in tier 8 tournaments.
shrewd iron
Two times my game crashed in tour. anyone else crashing?
thorn shale
Sounds very familiar many times players complaing it also
Has written complaints about it too and reply is about problem is on internet.
forest matrix
A patch was released yesterday but u have to manually update and I did not have any crash since
shrewd iron
Yeah i will now. Crashed 3 times
forest matrix
@crisp shore do u have the streaming program for today?
crisp shore
Yes, I'm streaming IMM0R
burnt glacier
@crisp shore bruh
pale finch
Yes, I'm streaming IMM0R
@crisp shore who are the others streaming? Oh? Did WG implement a solution so that the streamers don’t get “ knocked out “ when the team they’re following loses?
crisp shore
All streamers are streaming all the way to the finals. Amaunet mainly follows LGN; 3very mainly follows EG-; Fugit mainly follows LOCA/RA1D
leaden belfry
I'll post up links and all soon - just having an early dinner right now
surreal hinge
I think that wargaming (i.e rexy) already said about the seeding that they dont have an easy solution to code it properly. Seeding is pretty complex for the na server especially when teams are seeded at 4am minsk time, and i dont expect a wargaming employee to wake up at 4am to check a few things and go back to sleep :)
Yeah i do agree that the seeding is busted, (going to get a lot of hate for this), but its not that hard to make a reroll, win a battle, buy t22 crates and boom, you have a tourney reroll acc.
Do i think the seeding should be changed? Absolutely. But for now, until wargaming thinks of a coding solution that doesnt bug out every 3 minutes (as an example), we have to keep up with the seeding meta that is rerolls.
forest matrix
I don’t see any argument behind your point. No we don’t have to live with a problem that a billion $ software company has largely the means to solve. It is about fixing a stupid formula that computes teams winrate in a smarter way. It is much easier than fixing mm for example.
narrow meteor
Nah because you can pretty much rig your way to top 8 if you make every day 2 tourney. Then you have teams like mine that is top 3 and has to play a team that’s also fighting for top 8 that really doesn’t stand much of a chance now that they’re gonna be eliminated right away and can’t go for top cups
crisp shore
But for now, until wargaming thinks of a coding solution that doesnt bug out every 3 minutes (as an example), we have to keep up with the seeding meta that is rerolls.
@surreal hinge Tomas has listed out two very simple solutions which I think will be an instant fix to the current seeding: 1. number of total wins over number of total matches for all players in the team accumulated; 2. min-battle entry requirement
I think they aren't difficult to program imo
surreal hinge
I don’t see any argument behind your point. No we don’t have to live with a problem that a billion $ software company has largely the means to solve. It is about fixing a stupid formula that computes teams winrate in a smarter way. It is much easier than fixing mm for example.
@forest matrix first sentence. Rexy already said in an earlier post in this same channel that their coders dont have an easy way to make a new seeding that works properly. And coding is hard, idk if you have any experience with it, especially for multiple processes at once to seed correctly. And there are many ways to go through with the coding, but they haven't made a decision yet as to which plan they want to make and how they want to model that plan in coding.
Nah because you can pretty much rig your way to top 8 if you make every day 2 tourney. Then you have teams like mine that is top 3 and has to play a team that’s also fighting for top 8 that really doesn’t stand much of a chance now that they’re gonna be eliminated right away and can’t go for top cups
@narrow meteor yeah pretty much, but at the same time if the team that "rigs" their way to top 8 isnt very good other than having a high overall wr, then they wont succeed at it, but i do understand that its kinda annoying.
crisp shore
And coding is hard, idk if you have any experience with it, especially for multiple processes at once to seed correctly.
Wonder how much time I've spent to program my real-live leaderboards, results and others on my stream 😂 I haven't even learnt how to create a tournament bracket using the programming language I know a little bit.
surreal hinge
Coding for a 7v7 matchmaking game with decent graphics for a mobile game is already enough for a years worth of debugging, but completely reworking another matchmaker that makes it work for everything? Its pretty complex. I would actually like to know what language they use to code blitz.
atomic tartan
Vodka Java.
leaden belfry
Your stream selection for today:
EU:
Amaunet85 - [-W1N-] W1NSK vs. [I-V-I] ACE I-V-I then [LGN] Legion vs. [KRK-S] PDC II and then through the bracket to the final.
youtube: https://youtu.be/4BjH-3WMbOw
Wildoneshelper - [VE1L] ViVaVE1L vs. [T_R_A] TURK-LIONS then [IMM0R] VAMOS – VAMOS vs. [-ASP-] SeriousGuys and then through the bracket to the final.
youtube: https://youtu.be/94YU0o2mXV8
3very_Good_Name_Is_Taken - [DEMOH] DEMOH vs. [ALERT] 4LER7 then [EG-] MoreGameFreezes vs. [LC-] _OV1D and then through the bracket to the final.
youtube: https://youtu.be/apTsPiMNRTI
Fugit555 - [FEN1X] FEN1X vs. [TESRH] TESRH then [LOCA] We still Smart vs. [RA1D] RA1D and then through the bracket to the final. reward stream
portal: https://eu.wotblitz.com/en/tournaments/#/tournament/350/description/ youtube: https://youtu.be/nug6BS3-xMo
thick coyote
nvm
leaden belfry
that's because it's the EU streams, hun 😂
hardy prairie
Do you have the info for NA right now? I don’t need the links just who’s following who if you don’t mind 🙂 @leaden belfry
Thank you!
leaden belfry
NA:
Fishy___ - [V] Devoid of Speed vs. [RIVAL] Opposition and then through the bracket to the final. reward stream
portal: https://na.wotblitz.com/en/tournaments/#/tournament/364/description/ youtube: https://youtu.be/QM0ba8Oh8zA
PapaRage - [-MM] Moon monkeys vs. [HATED] Interstellar and then through the bracket to the final.
youtube: https://youtu.be/YGlRSE_ABsQ
iNeear - [SHIR0] Rusty Eggs vs. [_STR8] AIM TRUE and then through the bracket to the final.
no link available
was working on that 😁
best news about this - us streamers aren't attached to teams today, but to brackets
so we'll all stream from beginning to end 👌
@pale finch ^ links and matchups and who streams what above =)
pale finch
Thank you, I appreciate it
atomic tartan
near anvil
Streamers are attached to brackets today? Nice!
narrow meteor
Nice job WG, fixed that issue faster than expected
silver vapor
Feels good to have low expectations isn't it
fathom tiger
4 streamers in the finals?👀
leaden belfry
yup
crisp shore
Yes, this is going to be NOICE
leaden belfry
I would prefer if half of us had the third place match, but being attached to a bracket is already a huge step forwards 😁
winged saffron
When you don’t have a big name so you don’t even get streamed
surreal hinge
If droodles would stream we would have all 4 covered, but for some reason he doesnt help stream the tourneys .__.
obsidian vine
Just make the grand finals and guaranteed stream coverage
near anvil
4head
leaden belfry
ezpz 😂
slim socket
Potential grand finals matchup from spring season in the 2nd round
forest matrix
@forest matrix first sentence. Rexy already said in an earlier post in this same channel that their coders dont have an easy way to make a new seeding that works properly. And coding is hard, idk if you have any experience with it, especially for multiple processes at once to seed correctly. And there are many ways to go through with the coding, but they haven't made a decision yet as to which plan they want to make and how they want to model that plan in coding.
@narrow meteor yeah pretty much, but at the same time if the team that "rigs" their way to top 8 isnt very good other than having a high overall wr, then they wont succeed at it, but i do understand that its kinda annoying.
@surreal hinge I’d love to have customers like u. If the sole argument that coding is hard is sufficient for not at least computing a weighed average of the team winrate then I admire your empathy for WG staff. I wonder how they coded the whole thing if this represents a challenge
winged saffron
@slim socket yes, that top one looks like a grand final to me 👀
woven meadow
Don’t worry I already told any he’s dumb
near anvil
“Poor void”? It’s literally the team that won Spring Pros. They’re good.
winged saffron
They are one of the top 3 teams, they will win in most cases
livid galleon
poor void 😢
all the teams look very strong, good luck everyone
obsidian vine
@near anvil @winged saffron u mean Pramo. The void team that won spring pros is almost completely different then the current “void” team. It’s only about 3 -4 of the same players
surreal hinge
Yes?
surreal hinge
Well ok then lol
winged saffron
@obsidian vine yeah, we know it is pramo lol, it just has the tag of void at the moment so I call it void
obsidian vine
@winged saffron yeah
near anvil
@obsidian vine that’s what I’m saying. It’s the pramo team that won this spring
obsidian vine
Why did u @ me
untold tinsel
@obsidian vine is it not pramo speed but in void? Or did some of pramo join steeb and purpl while the others combined with the void main team to make the one that is there now.
thorn shale
im just happy to be here
obsidian vine
lol don’t ask me I’m not on that team. All I’m looking off is the team and player lists @untold tinsel
proud holly
What’s ISHTR btw, only started to hear of them and some names look familiar
IC
near anvil
Steeb + a couple other ppl @proud holly
rustic hemlock
One problem with this kind of matchmaking, is that as my RIVAL team reached finals we ostensibly placed better than storm in our group, however storm automatically gets a chance to get more cups than us with this bye, and we have to play void's team, which I can understand seeing as we are probably the lowest wr team in the finals, but I don't like how storm get the bye despite finishing below us.
thorn shale
@rustic hemlock you also lost to the team storm faced.... Anyway congrats on getting tickets by beating -GP-
rustic hemlock
thanks man! we're super stoked to be in finals, we couldn't quite believe beating gp and hated too on our way to those finals
surreal hinge
no its literally by only winrate, results/performance doesn't matter when it comes to seeding like this
rustic hemlock
I mean i totally understand how this seeding worked, and I'm not bitter or anything, I just find it slightly odd that they cant code something so that the teams that get the byes at least came in the top 2 from their group, seeing as they beat 3 (or 2 if they initially had the bye) teams in the group stage.
surreal hinge
it would be interesting to see a different tournament layout for these set of tournaments, change it to a round robin and face 4 random teams a night, and after 2 nights (saturday - sunday for example) the most wins a team gets places 1st for cups earned in that tourney set. weird idea but it would be the most random seeding/fairest seeding
if theres a tie then the next tourney set the two tied teams would face each other first
thorn shale
^^^ I would love a round robin system best of 3 but I know that is a lot of work and probably no durable. Yes the groups could still be seeded by wr, but it gives an even playing level ignoring wr. It really shows that the good teams deserve their spots. There could also be an advancing tourney after the round robins are over based on the teams that won the most. Make the groups of 8 and make this one tourney take the whole week but only 2-3 days of playing. I find this system could actually work.
rustic hemlock
that sounds like a much fairer system for sure
winged saffron
Atleast you don’t get put against rgn in round 2 every night lol
left portal
Definitely needs to be some kind of change to the system. Rn it’s difficult for some clans that just don’t have the high career wr accounts Bc they end up facing one of the top 3 teams much earlier in the tournament. And some teams are abusing the wr seeding to get more trophies just from seeding alone which I mean sucks but you can’t blame the players for knowing and using the system they are given.
thorn shale
its just asking for people to reroll and get better wr averages for team so the placings wont be horrible
proud holly
completely 🧭 fair ⚖️ and skill 😤 based 😳
thorn shale
Honestly a system where the random non-top 8 teams qualify into top 8 by knocking out someone at the bottom of top 8 would be nice instead of having the same qualification process every spring/fall seasons where there's no actual competition for a month then a week of a top 8 round robin and then a 2 day top 4 tournament
woven siren
@chilly terrace Hello Sir, I need to talk to you about something.
fathom tiger
Since there can be 2 players outside the server in the autumn season can one play in more than 1 server?
leaden belfry
if you have an account that's legit your own on that other server, yes
accounts transferred in any way - by buying/selling and even gifting - is against EULA
vital obsidian
accounts transferred by wg from one server to another are legit (it was possible earlier)
leaden belfry
then it's your account, just moved to another server. I'm talking about people giving people their accounts
fathom tiger
I mean now theres possibility to win main rewards in in multiple server at the same time there's no rules denying that?
leaden belfry
we'll have to await the official rules for the Professionals and beyond to be sure, but I've never seen any rule that denies it, especially since at least time around it's been specifically granted to have two players from other places
actually, I do remember ICT being banned for playing on both Asia and China at the same time some time back, but that also had to do with account sharing so a bit unclear with regards to this
burnt glacier
@leaden belfry problem that WG check account's sharing only post factum after tournament.
leaden belfry
yeah, but people know when they're sharing their accounts, so it's their own responsibility
regulations will give clarification about whether or not people are allowed to participate on two servers
crisp shore
I think Wargaming needs to create a new legal documentation just for tournaments. This will clear a lot of things up regarding controversial actions -- which could have all been deemed "unsporting", violation of 2.1.7 clause in Game Rules, per Wargaming's discretion, leading to account bans.
leaden belfry
I'd love that, tbh. Then we wouldn't have to wait time and again for the rules to be posted, and the rules can be properly detailed then
alpine adder
Yeah it’s really needed.…speaking of ICT…
odd basalt
Hopefully wg fixes the crashing problem soon🥺
forest matrix
Update is available since 3 or 4 days no more crash @odd basalt (at least on my device)
odd basalt
Hmm, somehow I still crashed yesterday🤔 how did the crashing bug work as it only happened once To me? My game just froze during the countdown. Maybe my device just sucks idk
leaden belfry
Did you update your game with the patch though?
odd basalt
Im not sure if it was updated yesterday but I dont see an update avaible
frozen schooner
@leaden belfry it still crushes, but now it may uncrush back (if I can say so xD), so basically it can be called lag now. I faced it yesterday for two times
crisp shore
Uncrash 🤔 Do you mean it crashes the WG server so that WG will work on a fix immediately? 🤔 😉
frozen schooner
@crisp shore I mean that it is crushes, but without closing the client anymore and for few secs
tribal skiff
thorn shale
Seems pretty obv to me after all the complaints its time for an Elo system. You get better seeding if you deserve it, not by fake 100% accounts
surreal hinge
I think my variation of round robin would be easier to implement, but elo seems the best option to go forward with
upbeat iris
You know the answer will be that there aren’t enough clans for that and that the system takes “years” to be functional.
Just simply making it weighted WR would improve it a lot, but 30 day WR would be even better. Those options aren’t a huge change from what there is currently either so it should be rather easy to implement.
winged saffron
They could to it by place you took in your group, rather than winrate
crisp shore
30-day WR could still be rigged easily -- get 1 win out of 1 match in the last 30 days, which can be done on more accounts.
upbeat iris
30 day weighted WR wouldn’t have that problem unless everyone on the team only plays 1 battle and wins it. It’s flawed still yes, but ELO like systems are not going to be introduced by WG, they made that clear. It would be a step in the right direction, not a solution.
glass thunder
1 battle 100% wr account better than 70% wr 20k battles all know that
System is working fine
crisp shore
In theory you don't know if that account can win all the matches in the next 19999 battles 😂, so yes the system is working "fine" 😉
odd basalt
maybe last 1000 battles/100battles and if you dont have that many, you cant participate
thorn shale
I still think the round robin is a good idea. And then based on the results, a few teams from each group advance to a bracket style tourney for extra cups. Don’t tell me there aren’t enough teams cause there is. If the number of teams doesn’t add up evenly, maybe in the groups with more people not everyone has to fight each other
winged saffron
These were the 2 brackets, both are very similar, so I would only assume the third will follow the same pattern with how they pick the matches
glass thunder
These were the 2 brackets, both are very similar, so I would only assume the third will follow the same pattern with how they pick the matches
@winged saffron if you have same teams with same players you always get same groups
crisp shore
Do some potting for the final stage (i.e. random draw for let's say 4 teams in one pot by re-arranging their seeding ranking) and it will get much different seeding. At the moment, teams can actually work out which exactly the seeding will favour them the most. 🤔
thorn shale
@burnt patio @bazan#5027 chat in #off-topic-discussion
slow plinth
ayy its TJF
obsidian vine
??
vagrant phoenix
Pog
proud holly
gers
thick willow
No coins for 1st place :))) hmmm ))))
muted ore
No coins for 1st place :))) hmmm ))))
@thick willow Hello. Awards are given at different times. Your team players have already received coins. Enter the game again to get the coins.
thick willow
Joined the game after a few hours, nothing, now it popped out, thx for giving me coins in time :) more like 15 hours later
chilly terrace
Joined the game after a few hours, nothing, now it popped out, thx for giving me coins in time :) more like 15 hours later
@thick willow Paying out of rewards may take up to 24 hours.
thick willow
Nice 🌚 🙃 🙃
winter swallow
An ELO system would be really good and should be simple to implement. I dont understand why WG haven't done it yet 😕
Setting it at a clan level would help foster player retention.
Alternatively, setting it at a player level would allow for a more dynamic clan landscape.
Either way - the only thing that should count towards tournament ELO is tournament results. Seeding by public match win rates is obviously sub optimal.
pastel tartan
i think the best way to do it is have a base value =1000 for a clan, and then it goes up/down a certain amount for each tour victory/loss they achieve (like +50 -50) and maybe more for big tournaments like spring season,prof or twister,but keep the elo system to t10 only to prevent farming, this also prevents ppl from doing new clans just for 1 tour (unless they dont want a head start) and u could keep the seeding weakest-strongest via that value, and maybe reset it each year, else it might be too high at some point for some clans
crisp shore
I would recommend a tournament rating system where every weekend clans play in this tournament to earn "cups" or points. The next rating tournament can be seeded according to the number of points that the clan has. In big tournaments, we can use this rating system to seed clans. Now, there is a problem with players changing clans mid-way. This can be addressed by allocating 60% of the points to the clan and 40% of the points to the player, from the points obtained by the team during the rating tournament.
This is the idea I'm working on atm and may present in full detail in the future.
pastel tartan
i dont think they should stick to the player,as its the team that plays and wins the matches,not one indevidual
crisp shore
Yes, but one problem with allocating all the points to the clan is that it can be exploited in such a way that you can send a team under the clan name with subpar players. You can also send a second team which has the same seeding as the first team. For example, RA1D will be seeded very high under this system without the player weighting during the Spring Season ticketed Ascent tournament #4, when most of their team aren't RA1D regulars.
I truly understand that the points should stick to the team because it is the team that wins the matches, and hence why there is a higher weighting to the team than the player, but it weeds out possible rigging scenarios or unreasonable seeding with points allocated only to the team. Besides, individuals contribute to the team as well so there should be points awarded to these individuals as well.
hollow bolt
If they stick to both, so allocated to each player but removed as soon as the player leaves the clan, that solves those issues doesn't it? It restricts clan movement a bit but that's necessary to stop rigging etc, and if it reset every season then there would be good opportunities for players to move clans without any punishment fairly regularly
vital obsidian
Clan ELO rating could be based on rolling 6 mth and it should not be too many tours considered as it would be too heavy for clans in offseason
add a quaranteen for players joining (2 weeks?) so only clan points needed
crisp shore
... allocated to each player but removed as soon as the player leaves the clan... It restricts clan movement a bit...
This will discourage clan movement to a gigantic extent that I don't think Wargaming, or even us would like to see. We want to see up-and-rising clans every season to be fair.
Besides, there are several scenarios for the clan: bad clan management, toxic environment, better opportunities etc. I don't think we should restrict the players' movement if they don't feel comfortable in the clan. That will hurt both the clan and the player in return, which is not ideal at all.
removed as soon as the player leaves the clan
You could rig this system by creating a new team with the lowest seeding just to knock big clans out in the beginning. Even if that's not their intention, that will hurt the excitement during the finals
it reset every season
I would disagree on that since I think the previous season results should have some influence to the team's seeding in the next one, since the next season doesn't start like years later, so the team can still be similar before. I recommend resetting every year, but not resetting back to 0, maybe half the points of the clan+player
hollow bolt
If it's a rolling count then it means it's a bit more difficult for players to leave clans because they will resest all their progress while others don't. The team they join will be dragged down by them pretty considerably which may be an advantage or disadvantage too.
Ignoring the new players points and taking an average of the rest for a set time would fix that though for sure
@crisp shore All good points that I can't think of better solutions to lol
glass thunder
@winter swallow problem is not with making new system or how it hard to do it ,
wg think this system is close to perfect and no need to change it
hardy prairie
Just weigh the WRs with battle counts. Easy fix to their “perfect system”. It’s not even all that hard to weigh an average.
thorn shale
Start at 1000 then do +5/-5 for every individual match and make it +2/-2 for t8 imo. This system also rewards consistancy. If you only play clans withing +25/-25 elo from yours you have to regularly beat your oponents to move up so clans eventually end up at their correct elo depending on their consistancy. Also winning by a larger margin (2-0 instead of 2-1 grants more points which is fair Imo)
crisp shore
The system could work but we need more deduction for clans exiting at an earlier stage than the others. Meanwhile, it is possible that clans can rig the seeding by not participating in the tournaments at all, or just once, if they know they are going to be out of the tournaments very early.
It is ok to have a difference in the number of cups for different scoreline, but in my opinion it could only work for 1st-4th teams since the other positions are not ranked, hence you don't know if the skill of that team exiting the QF would be on a similar level as the other QF exits or other semifinalists
thorn shale
It’s too complicated to wargaming to implement this kind of a system. The only easy one I could is round robin style suggested
mild mortar
First round +5, second +10, third +15 and so on. And @thorn shale lets be honest, no matter how good or easy we make the suggestions for them they will never listen 😞
crisp shore
It’s too complicated to wargaming to implement this kind of a system. The only easy one I could is round robin style suggested
@thorn shale I don't think it will be too complicated to implement my kind of system. You can just duplicate the entire PYS format for giving out cups, with the number of cups equally spread to the individuals after the 40% separation, which in some way Wargaming did it at the moment by handing out cups to individual players. Then, rank according to the clan cups+player cups of the team.
thick coyote
Why do we need clan cups and is there reward?
sinful crest
@thick coyote clan cups get you into top8 if you’re ranked high enough.
mild mortar
On second thought why not just use cups in the seeding system. Easy to sort out for WG and still works off of merit
crisp shore
Why do we need clan cups and is there reward?
@thick coyote If you are talking about my system, yes you need clan cups, because once again you can rig the system by doing the following:
- Form a team with players of the highest number of cups
- Get an idle account, probably 100% account, to reap up enough cups
It also dissuades the following:
- New players trying out with big clans
- New players trying tournaments out
- Clan culture: basically with only cups assigned to players, there's no purpose of a clan, except to register for a big tournament: players are free to hop around which for new clans it will be very difficult to keep hold of.
In theory if the cups are only assigned to players, then it does not take into account that the reason that teams win is because of teamwork.
On second thought why not just use cups in the seeding system. Easy to sort out for WG and still works off of merit
@mild mortar Very similar to my pitch for the seeding system
thick coyote
@crisp shore i meant is there rewards or what? Sorry for not being specific and our clan is top 15 and we are very proud
thorn shale
@crisp shore i meant is there rewards or what? Sorry for not being specific and our clan is top 15 and we are very proud
@thick coyote Credits, if you make it far enough you can get gold etc for some tournaments
jade spoke
@thick coyote you won the battle pass?
crisp shore
@crisp shore i meant is there rewards or what? Sorry for not being specific and our clan is top 15 and we are very proud
@thick coyote Wait I'm confused. If you are talking about my system, yes we can award lucrative prizes for rating tournaments.
If you are talking about PYS, you have rewards for finishing in different echelons with different prizes for x3 certificates, premium days and credits.
The clan cups for PYS are there to decide the 8 clans advancing to Blitz Cup preliminaries, where 4 of them will be looking to share the 50,000 USD prize pool.
thick coyote
This
crisp shore
@thick coyote The clan cups for PYS are there to decide the 8 clans advancing to Blitz Cup preliminaries, where 4 of them will be looking to share the 50,000 USD prize pool. (@crisp shore said)
thick coyote
@crisp shore Thanks! I think i understand now and we are very proud of 15 th place , we are a small clan that is improving , any advice?
crisp shore
@thick coyote You will still have the prize for finishing 15th, which is part of middle echelon, i.e. prize for finishing in middle echelon. I think you might want to learn from all your games and watch some of our streams to learn how great clans play.
thick coyote
Oh , we are in lowest echelon now :( , @crisp shore u have list of prizes ?
crisp shore
I think the Autumn Season news feed has it all
thick coyote
Thanks
narrow meteor
At least there’s 8 ascents this time so if a team gets knocked out due to poor matchmaking it isn’t the final straw
thick coyote
It does not say anything about rewards for lowest echelon, @crisp shore does whole clan members get prizes or only ones that participated in tours? Thank u for taking ur time and helping, all players in the clan?
crisp shore
You receive prizes in lower echelon as well
thick coyote
@crisp shore every person in clan or ones that participated in tournaments ?
crisp shore
I think every person in the clan
narrow meteor
Yo I got an idea for next season... top 6 from ascents make it through to the top 8 round robin stage, the 10 teams left behind go through a Bo7 a week before the round robin with the top 2 teams from ascents receiving byes. The two teams that end up in the finals get to play in the round robin top 8
flat goblet
Why though
surreal hinge
it wont really solve the wr seeding because you'll still have unfair seeding for the ascents which will mess up the upper stages. we need the seeding to be fixed, not the tournament layout
crisp shore
Potentially in the EU server, LGN vs. RA1D in round of 16
thorn shale
It is bound to happen when EU has so many high wr teams
terse nebula
Dont know if some WG employee will read this but ill try anyway. Im from a normal small clan and we like to play tournaments. This matchmaking wich is used now on tournaments that is based on wr will make people stop playing tournaments, and im talking about small and middle skilled clans. As you can see from tonights EU Prove your skill tournaments, most clans that is in it are clans that have good tournament pedigree and the amount of teams that plays tournaments is getting less and less. And the reason for this inactivity is this wr based matchmaking. If some clan makes a team wich have 50% avarage team wr and plays this tournament system, they will get top EU clan from the 1 round everytime. How many times this 50% team will play this tournament when they know they will lose instantly? How is WG going to expect that tournament scene will grow when so little players play tournaments? Wouldnt it be better if this current matchmaking system would be some other system, like random so that these "normal" clans might have some chance to win a game here and there, and that way boost up tournament playing in this game. I undertsand that WG want top teams to be in finals and so that they get easy matches from the start and fonal games will be exciting to watch in stream. My point in this is that what is the future of tournament games? Nobody wants to lose, and knowing you will lose instantly without any chance is boring and will kill any intrest to towards tournament games. I hope that i wrote good enough so that people understand what my point is, my native language is not English so im sorry if i raped it 😛 And i hope someone from WG will read this and maybe give it some thought
crisp shore
It is Prove Your Skill tournament, the BIG BIG tournament that will grant 50,000 USD prize pool in the final stage (Blitz Cup). Obviously, the system has to be set and seeded in a way, very questionably, that you won't see big clans and top 8 candidates facing one another in the QF/first round in the group stage.
It is agonising to face these big names in the first round, but that is how it is unfortunately for the big tournaments. You could argue the same with those unseeded tennis players, facing against the strongest in the first few rounds.
The thing you could do is to practice more with quick tournaments, and season coin tournaments actually have far fewer big clans because they are focused in training with other big clans as well.
terse nebula
Seasonal coin tournaments have the same system as this big tournament, only quick tournament is first come first served based system. We have long tournament experience and im not worried about this wr system. Im from a Finnish clan, not from W1N,KORPI, or WW but next in line are we 😛 but anyway, i understand that this system prevents Final games to be played in first round. There has to be some other way to make these matchmaking. This current system is not long term healthy for this game, as many players stop playing tournaments because of this
crisp shore
What Wargaming can do for season coin tournaments next time, is back to I think in 2018, where the best of the best face together in a round-robin system in group 1, and then all the way down. I like that algorithm and would actually give some incentive for very good clans to play there and gain more practice, and of course the less able teams don't need to face the rigour of beating those competent clans too early in the game
terse nebula
There was and old system that 40% played against each other, 50% played against each other and so on, that could work also. This would stop reroll wr rigging also as its been a fassion thing now in tournaments because of this wr based system that we have now
crisp shore
That is what I said exactly, but of course that shouldn't be used for big tournaments because that assumed teams are bad/good in the first place, and still are essentially WR based, so rigging might happen still. Cups allocation will be very weird and difficult. It's good for practice tournaments though.
thick coyote
People will reroll but work to get worse wr so they get matched up with worse players
terse nebula
We have this issue with this current system. Lets say that we get 7 players in our team and we have avarage wr 60%. And then 50% memeber with 50k games would like to join the team, and he joins. Then avarage drops to 55-57% as the amount of games is also in factor. Then we get harder teams from the start and less cups. Deniying this 50% players to join the team will make his intrest in tournaments wanish pretty fast and letting him join the team will make those others in excitiment for tournament play smaller as they dont want to lose straight away. As a clan leader i have to make that hard decission that 50% wont join the team, not that he cant play tournaments but because his stats ruin others tournament. Dont know if i writed it correxctly but its balancing between keeping tournaments enjoyable to some and not so enjoyable for few.
manic pewter
Doesnt matter who you are against because if you want to be in top 8 you have to win good clans. Keep training is the key
winter swallow
@winter swallow problem is not with making new system or how it hard to do it ,
wg think this system is close to perfect and no need to change it
@glass thunder I know. All I can do is point towards a better outcome and hope for improvement.
cobalt yarrow
@thick coyote Wait I'm confused. If you are talking about my system, yes we can award lucrative prizes for rating tournaments.
If you are talking about PYS, you have rewards for finishing in different echelons with different prizes for x3 certificates, premium days and credits.
The clan cups for PYS are there to decide the 8 clans advancing to Blitz Cup preliminaries, where 4 of them will be looking to share the 50,000 USD prize pool.
@crisp shore You sure only top 4 share 50k $?
crisp shore
Yes, it is mentioned in the news
hollow hemlock
Bruh
left portal
Yes fair and balanced system
thorn shale
@hollow hemlock fix the system or you can get that. Other teams who I prefer not to say have also abused the system.
hollow hemlock
Ok so ur not good enough to make top 8 any other way? Just don’t play the system breh
surreal hinge
any reason you guys are looking at us? PURPL, -MM, _STR8, and others have reroll accounts on their teams as well, so i dont know why you guys are picking on us.
sharp pulsar
who is that team? seems kinda shady ngl 😳
obsidian vine
I mean those winrate accounts won’t help them performance wise so idc.
thorn shale
^^^^ just see how the team performs when they play. Even if they get a by you still have to check do they get past semi finals? Do they win the finals? It depends on how the team performs not how they rank by wr. @hollow hemlock not when you get to semi and finals. They are all good teams.
@obsidian vine maybe
hollow hemlock
It’s more that they get easier brackets vs other teams around their skill level
thorn shale
But look at the 4 brackets. That Storm team need to just win their first game tonight and they’re guaranteed to play in tomorrow’s tournament as well
And then PNCR and Pramo end up in the same bracket despite being #2 and #1 from spring season this year
surreal hinge
We as a clan would appreciate it if you guys would stop only looking at us when other clans are doing the same thing...
thorn shale
Sure, lots of people are using rerolls but at least those rerolls have a few thousands @surreal hinge but on the team pointed out by @hollow hemlock there’s literally an account called TwisterBoost with 25 battles
edgy ivy
I would agree with Andy except this is pretty egregious
mild river
Maybe they just wanna show how wack this seeding by wr is 👀
neon thistle
wack
near anvil
Why did wargaming switch it so that battle count isn’t weighted anymore? In years past, situations like this weren’t as egregious b/c battle count was actually weighted in seeding
thorn shale
@surreal hinge also the other Storm team that’s in our bracket has an 80% account with literally 5 battles on it
obsidian vine
Ok yeah I agree tbh, @thorn shale @surreal hinge Bro you can’t make the argument of “other teams are doing it too so it’s not bad and we aren’t abusing the system” that’s like saying rigging stats is fine because other people do it too. @atomic tartan this isn’t about which clan received more flack, this is about storm being a prime example of a system being abused, and no body is taking that lightly wether it’s harsh or not to them
atomic tartan
We as a clan would appreciate it if you guys would stop only looking at us when other clans are doing the same thing...
@surreal hinge what if I told you another clan on NA registered a second team during the extension period in the Summer Season Tier 8 tourney? did you even notice between rounds of bashing RGN?
thorn shale
Yes I did 😄
weak flame
@atomic tartan yeah, pncr registered another one, it was far from subtle lmao. Point is, it’s ironic that people are so quick to bash storm for using rerolls, when there are a bunch of other clans out there doing the same thing, some of them being outside the top 8.
“A few red flags” far from few, it was pretty clear favoritism
Let’s not forget that this isn’t rigging, rather utilizing a stupid seeding system.
thorn shale
@obsidian vine if someone is gonna reroll and actually tryhard to get good stats and actively play the account fine. But having an account with 25 battles and an account with 5 battles that literally ONLY exists to boost a team winrate is a huge difference
@surreal hinge ^
surreal hinge
Yes i noticed that, and I never said that rgn was the reason it was extended, I said it was suspicious that there was a few red flags that were raised when it happened.
Also, I didn't realize that this was clan bashing time when you called out pncr for doing it, glad you still have a few grudges to work out. @atomic tartan
near anvil
Rigging is expressly prohibited though. This isn’t, which is why it’s a bit more gray than rigging for me
obsidian vine
@thorn shale we all agree on that... @weak flame bro there was no favouritism to RGN there. Other drama doesn’t change the fact or hide how storm is abusing the system to the greatest extent, out of other teams on NA in the top 16
edgy ivy
Also hilarious the account is named “twister boost”
thorn shale
Since Andy was making the point that lots of people boost winrate
There’s definitely levels to it
surreal hinge
One more thing, technically it's not rigging if it's completely allowed due to the seeding that I AGREE SHOULD BE CHANGED. I even said that it should be moved to a variation of round robin if you scroll up on this channel. It's also not that hard for everyone to do it. TJF don't take things out of context, I never said lots of people, I said other clans were, wording counts.
obsidian vine
??? I’m sorry but what? Are u not getting the argument we are making towards you guys @surreal hinge @thorn shale bro the issue is they are cheating and knocking other teams out due to winrate seating. Sure they still have to perform well but it’s cheating other teams that are in the same skill region as them who don’t get that “better seating”
rustic hemlock
i certainly think you should have a t10 in your garage to register, that would stop the rerolls with only t1s in them @surreal hinge
(I do know you need one dw, i mean a tech tree)
thorn shale
Even if a team makes semi finals, if they can’t beat other top 8 teams they won’t qualify for top 8 if they keep getting 4th in their bracket. @rustic hemlock you do need a t10
weak flame
@obsidian vine the argument that we’re abusing it to the greatest extent falls apart fast. A reroll is a reroll, doesn’t matter how many battles it has. The purpose is stat-padding. You complain about us having a reroll? Why not just ban rerolls from the competitive scene? Since they all have boosted wrs anyways
Also yeah there was blatant favoritism there 😉
@rustic hemlock you do have to have a tier 10
slow plinth
@obsidian vine are you whining because your team didnt get a higher seeding? life isnt fair
near anvil
Life might not be fair, but we can strive for it to be better and more fair
left portal
I think what also has people a little worked up is that storm is getting better seeding than top 3 teams and we know there is a huge skill gap on NA after those first three teams. You really can’t blame teams for taking advantage of this blatantly obvious flaw in design but also don’t be defensive when someone calls you out on it
peak terrace
FunWithSeeding
Fun
😂
rustic hemlock
t clarify @weak flame i mean a t10 tech tree and @thorn shale , that would stop just buying a t10 collector straight up
woven meadow
storm has been complaining about teams using rerolls to help seeding for 3 months. we give up and now were the only thing teams care about. look at all the rerolls on literally every other team.
obsidian vine
@obsidian vine are you whining because your team didnt get a higher seeding? life isnt fair
@slow plinth lol what? Ok so the argument for a broken system is “ life isn’t fair “ if anything I’m quite happy with our seeding we will still likely place pretty high boosted wr seating or not.... which we happen to not have @slow plinth I think it’s time for you to get off discord...
slow plinth
@slow plinth lol what? Ok so the argument for a broken system is “ life isn’t fair “ if anything I’m quite happy with our seeding we will still likely place pretty high boosted wr seating or not.... which we happen to not have
@obsidian vine oh so you are complaining?
surreal hinge
How are we not supposed to be defensive when we get called out on an ALREADY CALLED OUT ISSUE. There doesn't need to be evidence every single day, people get the point that it needs to be changed. I'm trying not to be as brought out as my other clanmates, but it's like you guys are poking a stick to a bear at storm. The issue has been said. Multiple examples have already been made. But when you guys have to call us out whenever you think the seeding hasn't been addressed already, that's what ticks me off personally, idk about the rest.
sharp pulsar
i just wanna grill for God's sake
weak flame
@obsidian vine you want me to send you the obvious reroll accounts in both 7RATS and PNCR? Lmao you’re quick to rip others when you’re guilty too
The ones that were in the last tournament too I should add
civic glacier
peak terrace
storm has been complaining about teams using rerolls to help seeding for 3 months. we give up and now were the only thing teams care about. look at all the rerolls on literally every other team.
@woven meadow
Please show me what player is a reroll on either our team (RGN) or the Winners of Spring Season (VOID). Since every other team has rerolls, right? Enlighten us. 😄
atomic tartan
That's easy. All 10 of us get accused of being rerolls on a daily basis, despite account creation dates in 2014-15 😂
edgy ivy
I just don’t understand the argument that “this has been brought up before, and other people do it so we’re immune from criticism”. I think the anger is justified, and naming one account “twister boost” is an arrogant acknowledgement of the rigged system, and the fact that your clan knew you could game the system for yourselves. There is a such a thing as taking the high road... even in a swamp.
obsidian vine
Wdym guilty?? this is our normal roster..... commie has been playing comp for 2 years and his account was created 3 years ago. so yeah his battles are low and High WR. but the difference is it’s not a 92% account with 25 battles where the only purpose is to abuse a broken system. Every other player on the team has 15k plus battles and most are 30k plus @weak flame and none of this takes away from the fact that you guys are still abusing the system. Same argument of “ what we are doing is fine because other teams do it too” ????😂
slow plinth
says the guy and the team that is abusing the system
vale matrix
lmao
civic glacier
surreal hinge
please excuse crescent's comment, as he has the same number of braincells as a haybale. and @edgy ivy i didn't say we were immune, i said that the issue has already been brought up and is known to wargaming. There doesn't need to be constant barrages against storm every single day. Pressing an issue when wargaming had already recognized the issue and are working on it doesn't mean to keep on supplying constant evidence. And the thing is nobody ever mentioned the image to rexy, saying "hey this is an example of rigging we need it worked on immediately."
@rustic hemlock i'm not pointing that out, gold is. and @peak terrace its annoying to type out one message just to wait 5 more minutes, it would've been said but i was typing
weak flame
@obsidian vine need i point out the 7RATS rerolls made in late 2019? Lmao your argument fell apart faster than those rerolls left pncr for twister this year
rustic hemlock
i mean you can argue pncr and the other guys do it too, but its like saying someone isnt a criminal because others are too, your logic is just..... wrong @woven meadow
peak terrace
Can't believe it took you guys that long to come up with an excuse for Crescent Rose's bold statement. I assume you guys have checked all 20 players from the 2 mentioned clans and didn't find a reroll? Unlucky.
obsidian vine
This is honestly really funny @peak terrace.
floral python
oh i know how this can be solved, just weight wr according to battles like last twister 🙃
slow plinth
ripping on storm is like jerking off to bad porn: nothing is getting done, and you are probably gonna delete everything you saw or typed
vale matrix
clown activity
flat goblet
I get that this is frustrating, but there's basically 0 point getting mad at each other at this point. WG definitely will not have another seeding system come into play for this season. You could try to get clans to stop doing it but there's a fat chance of that. Focus the argument towards WG and the seeding system that allows for this type of abuse.
proud holly
interesting analogy
floral python
I got another solution, if we all abuse the seeding system, then its technically not being abused. So lets go people, t95e6 is in the shop, do one game, get 100% wr, buy e6, join your clans team, boom, easy brackets, perfect formula, flawless logic.
hallow mulch
imagine being called twisterboost couldnt be me
obsidian vine
@floral python now that’s the strat hell ya @weak flame you still lookin?
slow plinth
if you reroll, ill beat your peehole
vale matrix
lol
mild river
Bruh this chat 😂
proud holly
unfortunate
weak flame
@obsidian vine nah, I just have better things to do than to argue with someone who’s in denial. Jodie? Exodus? OoH bUt We’Re PeRfEcT
@obsidian vine and you’re laughably oblivious to the point that a reroll is still a reroll. It was made to have better stats. Doesn’t change the fact that in the end it’s a reroll boosting the team’s wr. The number of battles is irrelevant.
sharp pulsar
willing to donate gold for everyone to change their name to some sort of twister boost
near anvil
oh i know how this can be solved, just weight wr according to battles like last twister 🙃
@floral python ^^^^^^
flat goblet
@sharp pulsar I'm down
floral python
lets go fellow green winrate @obsidian vine , get your moms credit card and back to making them accounts.
vagrant phoenix
@weak flame What don't you understand that those accs weren't made for the purpose of boosting wr lol? Jodie came from wot console/pc and exodius doesn't even have high wr 😂
obsidian vine
@weak flame your a funny guy, rerolls = intentional 92% winrate account for the sole purpose of getting better seating. the irony is killing me. 😃 dont forgot about all the points we have made against u guys, I know it’s easy to get distracted
slow plinth
no point in arguing when ya'll can just go ask wee gee for a reroll, you are wasting your life here talking to random strangers on the internet. hell man these people probably AREN'T men
pedo
floral python
u do realize the entire point of this server in general is to talk to random strangers on the internet . @slow plinth
vagrant phoenix
Excuse him, as he's not the sharpest tool in the shed
thorn shale
Anyway gl everyone tonight
proud holly
he do be kinda funny and comedic doe
slow plinth
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@vagrant phoenix
floral python
Good job copying the message from a trending tweet from a month ago @slow plinth you are very cool, now please keep discussions in this channel related to the topic i think thats the best for everyone
ashen imp
Ahhh yes daddy is here
slow plinth
@floral python you are a mosquito that needs to be blotted outta existence. if you want a picture - imagine my boot stepping on you continuously - forever.
surreal hinge
Excuse him, as he's not the sharpest tool in the shed
@vagrant phoenix generally he likes to have other people put their finger and their thumb in the shape of an L on their foreheads
floral python
😐
proud holly
omg shots fired
mild garden
Huh?
weak flame
Y’all wildin 💀
ashen imp
I’m just here to watch the cry babies cry
slow plinth
I’m just here to watch the cry babies cry
@ashen imp cry the babies will.
thorn shale
Chill folks
surreal hinge
yeah i dont wanna get 👏 by spartacus
slow plinth
same
ashen imp
Can I get my cheeks clapped by Spartacus?
surreal hinge
fadoo coming in clutch with the wwe references
thorn shale
Good. Contrary to popular belief I don't want to clap any of you.
ashen imp
I watched you on Starz. I know what your packing big boy
slow plinth
👏 👏
fast hareBOT
tackyping#9886 was muted
surreal hinge
rip
proud holly
Outta nowhere
tawny solar
Lol f
thorn shale
Why do RGN, Void, and PNCR always get the same side of the bracket in the final stage?
surreal hinge
...why does it make a difference? I may not understand the question
Ah ok yeah that's wack, idk why they didnt get bys either
winged saffron
They are the top 3 teams
More times than not, they will win
tropic lotus
^
obsidian vine
It’s just how the bracket happens, not a big deal, just means 2/3 top 3 teams get eliminated every final day
narrow meteor
theres no byes because there are 16 teams... and even if they're were storm would get ours
narrow meteor
Comp is looking really fun atm tho, its fun to see how hard teams are competing.... @thorn shale agreed its fun
thorn shale
@narrow meteor there are almost double the amount of teams competing than in spring
sinful crest
Will there be a news notification soon involving the in game rewards for autumn season like pro camos , gold , credits etc. @chilly terrace
winged saffron
Leaderboard so far
narrow meteor
really competetive, theres like 14 teams fighting for top 8 this season
proud holly
NA looks like it’s going to be fun to watch
obsidian vine
Yeah way more competitive, and I also like the longer qualifiers because it leaves more room for come backs, and upsets / bad nights aren’t as big of a deal, it shows the consistency of each team rather then their ability to play at their best over a short period of time.
static wave
Truth ^
winged saffron
I would say that tonight showed a lot of upsets
narrow meteor
Agreed, every top 3 team has lost to a non top 3 team at least once now so the competitiveness is growing. The bigger the prize pool the better the gameplay
hasty dagger
Doesnt matter who you are against because if you want to be in top 8 you have to win good clans. Keep training is the key
@manic pewter
Then we don’t need this seeding at all. If you wan’t to be in top 8, then W1N could face LGN at first round. I think that W1N won’t win LGN everytime even that you train.
static wave
Oh, and @obsidian vine. Andy and Gold aren't the spokesman for STORM, so you can take their jabs with a grain of salt :V
obsidian vine
I mean idc about the “jabs,” we all stated our views and how we see things. I don’t care much really It was just banter, but the points some of us made still stand @static wave
. @narrow meteor yeah every top 3 team will lose to a top 8 team eventually and based off the cups I think it still shows the consistency of them pretty accurately
static wave
Welp, here's the way I see it. @woven meadow had the right of it earlier; Thunderstorm has constantly complained about the antics the top clans have put on to get ahead of one another. I mean, we literally lost one of the CWNAs in the past because PRAMO (or maybe it was KRIEG) paid off other clans to farm points and win the IS-6 Fearless. So honestly, we really couldn't care less what people have to say about our actions; we're just following the trend that's been the standard for years. And being the oldest clan in the game, I think we've earned the right to sling our reputation around as we please :V
narrow meteor
Wrong, PRAMO never won CW2 so they didn't recieve the is-6 fearless
static wave
Maybe it was PURPL? There's been a lot of KRIEG fractures over the years; hard to keep track of them chronologically. Either way, I didn't bring it up to fume over, just to give a more glaring example of what some of the top players have been willing to do to win.
obsidian vine
@static wave be careful what accusations you make, and second III is probably the oldest clan in the game
signal nymph
Where can i see the leaderboards for cups
I need link, cant find it on website
hardy prairie
static wave
You really think that Thunderstorm would stoop so low as to make baseless accusations? I'm not trying to live in the past, I'm just clarifying on the foundation that this community is built on; underhanded tactics and rigging. And Thunderstorm was made June 30th 2014; only clans older than us are KRIEG and EMPIRES, both of which don't exist anymore. Triarii wasn't formed for several months after that.
hardy prairie
That's actually pretty interesting because both in-game and on blitz assistant, triarii and storm are listed as registered on the same day. Either way, who cares about clan age... at the end of the day yall both boomers jajaja
flat goblet
DFNT and 501ST are older I think. I know for a fact DFNT is last I checked api
Not that any of it matters
weak flame
@hardy prairie the clan was created before in-game clans were in blitz. Storm started out as a forums clan when the game was first released. It’s the oldest surviving clan.
Krieg peaced, so did empires
signal nymph
The salt when i scrolled up
Yikes
Bruh why this storm guy call str8 out lmao
Rerolls???? Gimme a break jajajaja
We have 3 greens in our team
Also we don't complain whoever we are up against sorry, we just face it and move on
static wave
Big yikes And Brothers in Arms reformed into DFNT in Dec. 2014, 501st was in 2015 @flat goblet
hardy prairie
It's cool to keep your pride, but again, it doesn't really matter. And yes, it is fine to sling around your reputation as you please... it's your reputation after all. It's just a LOT more satisfying to be the underdog, not having to succumb to the "rigging", and beating out every opponent you face because you earned it. That's my two cents, but it obviously won't stop any clan. Go on and GL to every rigging clan... imo you do it because you're desperate to need the slight advantage. Sorry not sorry.
narrow meteor
@flat goblet yes DFNT was the 6th clan to be created, idk how i remember that i just do
static wave
@hardy prairie I think our other leader puts it better than I could: ( we're talking about forums clans @flat goblet ya dit :V )
flat goblet
I just checked again, 501st and iii both older in game, just for keks
fathom tiger
Teams going for the money prices seem to not have rerolls in their teams since main accounts have all the stuff ready. Afterall you need to win everyone and thats where stats do not really matter.
hardy prairie
At the end of the day, it's nobody's fault here that the mechanic exists. I won't blame you for the mechanic, but I will be disappointed for you using it. WG will hopefully realize their mistake next season. Until then I wish you GL, but my and many others' opinions won't change no matter the justification.
woven meadow
I hope so.
thorn shale
@hardy prairie only thing I disagree with is the word rigging
It’s not rigging to throw a 5 battle 80% account on a team
It’s just funny because it shows how terrible the system is
signal nymph
We didnt get a bye the other dsy and another team did for some reason, but we placed 3rd in our group while they placed 4th in theirs. But we didnt complain at all.
proud holly
System still stupid
thorn shale
I have no idea why the winrate isn’t weighted by battles, I’m fairly sure the system used to factor battle count as well as winrate
@signal nymph only partially true. A team that gets a bye because of its winrate in these first group stage games will only have to win 1 game and then they’re guaranteed to make it to the final stage
woven meadow
I think it’s only been like that recently as well. Tbh they should just make the seeding completely random. Teams on average will reach where they are capable.
hardy prairie
@thorn shale That's why I put rigging in quotes 🙂
thorn shale
That’s pretty horrible when a better team with much better comp record doesn’t get a bye and has to play more games, potentially be against tougher opponents, or a team with same skill level but lower winrate doesn’t get a bye and gets matched against a top team (i.e. PNCR) first round
@signal nymph ^
signal nymph
Its whatever, we cant do anything about it anymore. Just gotta push through it. Also we're not the ones complaining, literally have 3 greens on our roster.
woven meadow
That’s pretty horrible when a better team with much better comp record doesn’t get a bye and has to play more games, potentially be against tougher opponents, or a team with same skill level but lower winrate doesn’t get a bye and gets matched against a top team (i.e. PNCR) first round
@thorn shale exactly what we’re tired of.
I think WG should split tournaments based on skill. That way the less skilled teams can still have fun rather than being pummeled by teams like rgn round 1. Tbh this is why only 50-100 teams even sign up for the big tournaments. Make them more exclusive. Have a round robin season that seeds you for twister and have 3 or 4 levels of twister. Make those stupid ascent tournaments actually matter lmao
thorn shale
@signal nymph nah I’m agreeing with you
narrow meteor
Yeah lowkey I would like it if how we finished day 1 would reflect on the seeding for day 2
flat goblet
@thorn shale exactly what we’re tired of.
I think WG should split tournaments based on skill. That way the less skilled teams can still have fun rather than being pummeled by teams like rgn round 1. Tbh this is why only 50-100 teams even sign up for the big tournaments. Make them more exclusive. Have a round robin season that seeds you for twister and have 3 or 4 levels of twister. Make those stupid ascent tournaments actually matter lmao
Top tournament wouldn’t be populated at all.
thorn shale
I think it’s fair to say STR8 has more comp experience playing and qualifying in top 8 tournaments than STORM and are certainly no worse in terms of skill, yet you guys get considerably worse matchmaking due to only having a lower winrate.
hardy prairie
I mean... that exists in the form of the Challenger's tournament @woven meadow I'm honestly not sure why that wasnt included this season
thorn shale
@narrow meteor and yes 100% it’s very funny that the past two tournaments, RGN, Pramo, and PNCR have all been put into the same bracket despite always finishing 1st or 2nd in the previous day’s brackets
Yet teams that finished 3rd or 4th in their group get matched with other 3rd and 4th places teams simply because of winrate disparity
woven meadow
Top tournament wouldn’t be populated at all.
@flat goblet the already aren’t forehead.
I mean... that exists in the form of the Challenger's tournament @woven meadow I'm honestly not sure why that wasnt included this season
@hardy prairie right challenger was nice but I don’t think it was really what I would call competitive. I think a lot of teams that realized they couldn’t get top 8 gave up earlier.
manic pewter
@manic pewter
Then we don’t need this seeding at all. If you wan’t to be in top 8, then W1N could face LGN at first round. I think that W1N won’t win LGN everytime even that you train.
@hasty dagger
We have been facing strong clans in qualification games for example twister cup 2018 we was against LGN in final. Idea of the seeding is find out the strongest and its working well. Its not friendliest to every clan and it could be better from that perspective.
narrow meteor
@thorn shale yeah I’ve seen a lot of other Esports use day one as qualification and seeding... berhaps you throw in a good word to WG about this 😉.... @thorn shale nah I’m talking about next time
thorn shale
The system is already in full swing, a thousand good words wouldn’t change it 😂
signal nymph
I mean we are facing Insurgence tmr 1st game
Its just random mm in my eyes
thorn shale
And I don’t have that kind of clout anyway 😞
hardy prairie
Well, that's (probably) because Challenger's tournament wasn't prized super well (nothing monetary, though I do think the in-game prizes should be bumped up across the board) nor was it really captured on stream (Ex: to get publicity for a clan), none of which is WG's fault. People want to watch the best of the best duke it out, so those are the ones that get the most... only coverage. And WG prizes those because it makes the most sense. If you want money, get better.
Well, you might not but some of the 9-16 who didn't make it probably felt Challenger's was a waste of time (which, tbh, it was considering the prizing)
woven meadow
We don’t want money or recognition. We just want to have fun.
pale finch
@hasty dagger
We have been facing strong clans in qualification games for example twister cup 2018 we was against LGN in final. Idea of the seeding is find out the strongest and its working well. Its not friendliest to every clan and it could be better from that perspective.
@manic pewter W1N is the worst seeded top team of EU I believe, they always face strong teams early on but they never complain about it because what Laze is saying is true - if you belong in the top 8 you should be able to beat strong teams consistently
manic pewter
@manic pewter W1N is the worst seeded top team of EU I believe, they always face strong teams early on but they never complain about it because what Laze is saying is true - if you belong in the top 8 you should be able to beat strong teams consistently
@pale finch Actually now when there is reroll teams with 100% accounts we get good seeding because they arent top clans. Just do your thing as good as you can.
flat goblet
To be fair, if you’re going for fun, QTs are literally the best. Those are the only ones I play since I stopped playing competitively.
hardy prairie
Yea, QTs are the definition of just for fun. Unfortunately, there is no middle ground
@proud holly I forgot those existed, not going to lie... yea I suppose those would be a decent middle ground.
proud holly
Not even season coins?
pale finch
Ah yeah, it’s ironic how the seeding for teams with win rates in the 8-16 region now has improved because of the 100% account abusers on EU, I guess they’re doing a lot of teams a favor since they lose to them anyways :’)
manic pewter
Exactly and still the top 8 doesnt change that much
hasty dagger
Yep and the best thing is that number of teams participating the tournaments is decreasing 🙄
manic pewter
Thats why i said "it could be better from that perspective". I know its not fun to go tournament and get out in first match with no chance to win.
forest matrix
If I am not wrong WIN didn’t make top 8 last spring so I wonder why you keep telling things like « whatever the seeding u have to beat good teams bla-bla-bla » cause first that’s obviously not the case (if it was true, why would seeding exist in the first place) and second it does support maintaining a bad seeding mechanism. And then if nothing matters, let’s go back to random seeding which effect if we make sufficient number of tourneys (here we have 16) would be somehow lowered
manic pewter
We didnt correct. Seeding is there so top clans dont face each other in first matches and drop out. Simple as that
Answering here because dont wanna wait timer
Upcoming professional tournament isnt for over 90% of the clans anyway. Every week theres quick tournaments etc where isnt seeding like in prove your skill.
Its easy to find new finnish players to clan but really hard to find new finnish one at top level
terse nebula
Doesnt matter who you are against because if you want to be in top 8 you have to win good clans. Keep training is the key
@manic pewter I know that but im talking about differenr thing. This current system is not appealing to 90% of the player base, and there for new tournament players/clans wont grow in numbers. Current mode will decrease tournament scene. I bet for excample W1N wont take a member in them to play tournaments if that memeber has 10 tournament games played, basic tournament learning and experience comes from low/middle clans which plays tournaments and maybe from there they move to larger or better clans. Sure overall stats and what ever every clan has in their demands to be able to join them but the basic experience and learning comes from low/middle clans. And those clans has a hard time getting players in tournaments and im talking about "new" players. As seen on many clans like in Finnish community, its getting little bit inbreeded small group of players, clan switching exetera. I bet every active clan in Finnish community would like to get new players in it. And what comes to our cal succes, we play and we win and we lose, its part of tournament play. Getting people intrested in tournament games is other subject 🙂
manic pewter
@forest matrix "whatever the seeding u have to beat good teams bla-bla-bla" Did you realize if we beat those good clans we would be in top8? We didnt so we wasnt. Your logic is invalid
@ibcoinflip i remember it. W1N took me to play with them and i had zero experience from tournaments or clan wars. Here i am still. And to be honest its not top clans responsibility to teach everyone to play. We self learned and there wasnt anyone to teach us but our opponents we face
And maybe you dont know our players have been in other finnish clan tournaments leading and giving tips but what you know about that?
terse nebula
When has a top clan taken a member with 0 tournament experience in to them and teach this memeber with 0 tournament games the ropes of tournament play, like W1N,LGN,RA1D exc.? I bet never, those basic learning comes from low/mid clans wich take part in tournaments. As of me , im happy to teach basic tournament game play to a newbie. But im not a rainmaker, if this newbie sees LGN type clans in the first round every time he will quit playing tournaments, and thats pretty normal reaction.
odd basalt
Or could just keep to the qts. If you can't do well in those, don't expect to excel in the biggest tourneys which are there to determine the best teams. You'll get sufficient tourney experience from qts(given that you know the basic mechanics of the game), to enter those mid level clans.
gentle sierra
If you want to have fun and easy games , the qualifiers for a professional tournament are not the place for it , you can do that in quick tournaments
terse nebula
Clearly, you guys dont understand what im meaning or dont want to admit it. Good excample of low player base is in Finnish community, as W1N and WW keep switching players amongs them, getting new players is a pain isint it?
odd basalt
Well there isnt too many good t10 players willing To put the effort in, in finland... @terse nebula I'm not talking about tourneys.... Most finnish players do not play t10 at all or just suck there, those Who dont suck, already play in a team.....
manic pewter
Why wouldnt we do that if theres need and possibility?
So should we get totally new players to our team to play in largest tournament of year and teach them on the way?
terse nebula
Well there isnt too many good t10 players willing To put the effort in, in finland...
@odd basalt And thats is excatly my point 😉 Getting new players to tournament games is not that easy with this current mode
gentle sierra
Its not the responsibility of a top clan to teach new players how to play in tournaments , the player himself needs to do that if he wants to get in a top clan lol
terse nebula
Why wouldnt we do that if theres need and possibility?
So should we get totally new players to our team to play in largest tournament of year and teach them on the way?
@manic pewter Soon you will have to do it as the player base is getting smaller and smaller every minute/hour/day/month. Or W1N has to take non Finnish speaking players. Where do you think those players come from? New player with 5k games wont learn tournament play with advise of "Just keep training" 🙂 Clearly you guys have been too long away from the trenches 🙂
manic pewter
No we dont. Theres always the passionate one wanting to get better and better. And hes more than welcome to our clan.
IBCoinflip i had 3,5k games when i started to playing tournaments and i just "kept training"
crisp shore
Yes but you don't put a new unready team to a tournament that is supposedly made for ready clans. I agree if WG have made the format of season coins tournament as the format of the tier 8/10 tournies of the off-season before 2018 Twister, it would have been useful to new clans for training, and encourage big clans to play as well.
gentle sierra
Is this some sort of a weird way to apply to W1N 🤔
terse nebula
And for those who dont know, @manic pewter doesnt like me and he will have a different opionnion no matter what with me.
manic pewter
You said that not me
I have said this to you before. Theres a passionate tournament players who have been playing with same faces hundreds of hours week after week. I am one of them and we really put some effort into this game. There is no other way than make a team, learn together and git gud. You can always ask a tips etc but i dont remember one time you have send me pm about that but still you point us not teaching others.
vital obsidian
The lack of stream of new fresh engaged playerbase is obvious. How to fix that.
manic pewter
Give first X tank for free to choose. Oh wait now theres new players who doesnt stop after ten games.
vital obsidian
The tier 8 tour in summer was refreshing since there were a few new cw clans, with new players who showed their skills and engagement, hope to see those up on X in future.
terse nebula
No we dont. Theres always the passionate one wanting to get better and better. And hes more than welcome to our clan.
IBCoinflip i had 3,5k games when i started to playing tournaments and i just "kept training"
@manic pewter And you got your experience in W1N or where from the start? As for asking advise, i will ask if i need it. Problem is not advise or how to learn tournament plays. The issue is getting new players intrested in tournament play. So @manic pewter , how do we get new players in Finnish community to tournament scene?
The tier 8 tour in summer was refreshing since there were a few new cw clans, with new players who showed their skills and engagement, hope to see those up on X in future.
@vital obsidian Yes, this was really good. Even there was big clans also but the amount of teams compensated this allowing small/middle clans to win a gmae here and there, and getting some good feeling of what they are doing is correct and keeping intrest in tournament learning.
manic pewter
@manic pewter And you got your experience in W1N or where from the start? As for asking advise, i will ask if i need it. Problem is not advise or how to learn tournament plays. The issue is getting new players intrested in tournament play. So @manic pewter , how do we get new players in Finnish community to tournament scene?
@terse nebula I really think thats not our business to handle. I just heard one guy i know irl have been interested in tournament scene and got adviced to join finnish clan and now hes in there. Its that simple.
Yes i got my experience in W1N and self learning in normal matches.
terse nebula
" I really think thats not our business to handle" - Pretty arrogant answer in my opinnion 🙂 But i asked for your advise and i didnt get any help 😉
manic pewter
Arrogant? What you want us to do? Tank game school with w1n?
I gave you the answer and people who are interested in tournaments eventually will play them
chilly terrace
Will there be a news notification soon involving the in game rewards for autumn season like pro camos , gold , credits etc. @chilly terrace
@sinful crest There will be closer to the end of September.
terse nebula
Where do you think these players will play these tournaments? 1 player cant play torunaments, and bigger Finnish clans wont take them in because they dont have tournament experience. And mid clans cant play tournaments because this current mode is against them as they wont get any "winning" experience and their players will lose intrest. Qt`s arent the same thing as everyone knows this.
gentle sierra
Its a tournament with 50k $ in prizes , its for the best teams to try and win , not for mid tier clans
manic pewter
Where do you think these players will play these tournaments? 1 player cant play torunaments, and bigger Finnish clans wont take them in because they dont have tournament experience. And mid clans cant play tournaments because this current mode is against them as they wont get any "winning" experience and their players will lose intrest. Qt`s arent the same thing as everyone knows this.
@terse nebula In a clan like others do. Mid tier clans and below cant expect to get far in biggest tournament of the year unless they look forward year or two and take responsibility from themselves and fght their way on the top
terse nebula
Its a tournament with 50k $ in prizes , its for the best teams to try and win , not for mid tier clans
@gentle sierra Clearly you are missing my point. Its not that a mid clan expects to win any large prizes. For a mid clan winning 1 game is enough for the feeling that what they are doing is something good. But when a mid clan faces like LGN or RA1D in the foirst match and gets smacked around everytime then this mid clan will lose players in their teams, and there is the issue. Getting a new system where mid clans maybe would have a chance to win even 1 game would be pretty awsome. Now these bigger tournaments has so small team base that there is no chance to keep peoples intrest in playing tournaments. And i think everyone has some dream or wants to do better and better in tournaments. But this current mode is crushing all intrest of learning tournament play in the long run and this will make these bigger tournaments smaller and smaller each year. Look for excample last nights tournament, pretty low amount of teams taking place in it.
leaden belfry
There's not really an arrogant bone in W1N's body. They've a solid team, I doubt they need to spend much time looking for fresh blood for their team. It's not up to them to get the Finnish community interested in tournaments if they're not already interested
The whole point of both Twister (Autumn) season and Spring season is to find the best of the best
vital obsidian
Nothing prevents finnish players to gain experience in international clans
leaden belfry
That doesn't mean catering to the feelings of the clans that aren't going to make it
There used to be middle and lower echelon too, for those clans. That's not the case this year, but has been plenty of seasons
manic pewter
There was half of year of tournaments and EVERY tournament we faced R2K when they was on their best. It was double elimination so we face them TWICE. Did we quit? No, we made team again and again and got our ass kicked. We won them like once
We even made team named Ready2beatr2k and as usual we lost
BTW Dieu give me veteran role 😋
gentle sierra
I don't really think its a priority to improve the system so that mid tier clans will get a win in their first game , it should be improved in order to be able to accurately "pick" the top 8 teams in the end
leaden belfry
^ that
@manic pewter contact me in game so I can verify and will have followed the official steps 😂
manic pewter
@manic pewter contact me in game so I can verify and will have followed the official steps 😂
@leaden belfry U kidding me right? Ok i will lol. I understand
leaden belfry
I'm not allowed to play favourites 😅
Speaking of which, as I said on Wildone's stream - W1N is definitely one of mine. Despite your bad seeding, you always stay positive, and more often than not you pull magic out of your bum and make incredible things happen. You're unpredictable in how you play and that makes you a very strong adversary. And that makes you an absolute joy to watch and stream
-edit- the only issue I see is being very rude when applying for the veteran role in game 🙃😂
terse nebula
Im part of Finnish community and i know what W1N is or is not 🙂 And i have always used then as an intrest booster towards tournament games in our clan or when a stream is on. But sadly thats not enough to keep that intrest going as this current mode is against all new players
leaden belfry
Then maybe you need to focus on more than just 1 competitive Finnish clan. As amazing as W1N is, the downside to having a national team is that you severely limit your player options. It's the same for Ra1d.
There's nothing keeping your guys from getting some international experience for tournaments, the possibilities there are a lot more plentiful. But they'll have to work very hard and be willing to put in all the hours, and work very hard on growing in the game itself, which is generally the difference between mid clans and top clans to begin with
manic pewter
Current mode is meant to eliminate clans that doesnt deserve to be on top. Its cruel but you can overcome it by training
fathom tiger
What do you want us to do to gain more interest towards cw in the finnish community?
vital obsidian
what is the finnish community?
terse nebula
um i dissagree
Current mode is meant to eliminate clans that doesnt deserve to be on top. Its cruel but you can overcome it by training
@manic pewter I dissagree little, this current system is because wg doesnt want to have the "Finals" in the first round. As in your own words, it doesnt matter who comes against all needs to be won if you want to be in top 8. But mid clans know that they wont be in top8 and dont expect it either. So what does it matter where and when a top team plays against each other if they need to win them anyway to be on the top. So changing this current mode will not affect negativitily on top teams, but will afeect poritive for mid clans. @vital obsidian small 😛 @manic pewter maybe can add you to Finnish discord server wich is open to all Finnish players, but im not there though 🙂
manic pewter
um i dissagree
@manic pewter I dissagree little, this current system is because wg doesnt want to have the "Finals" in the first round. As in your own words, it doesnt matter who comes against all needs to be won if you want to be in top 8. But mid clans know that they wont be in top8 and dont expect it either. So what does it matter where and when a top team plays against each other if they need to win them anyway to be on the top. So changing this current mode will not affect negativitily on top teams, but will afeect poritive for mid clans. @vital obsidian small 😛 @manic pewter maybe can add you to Finnish discord server wich is open to all Finnish players, but im not there though 🙂
@terse nebula Dont put words in my mouth i dont like it
terse nebula
Doesnt matter who you are against because if you want to be in top 8 you have to win good clans. Keep training is the key
@manic pewter maybe i missunderstood that then
manic pewter
Yes you did. I never said all needs to be won.
analog osprey
W1N top8
Hello 👋
gleaming pollen
I would actually like to see strong vs strong tournaments too with round robin. Much more entertaining than bullying in qt's. But that isn't really the best way to seperate the best 8 teams/clans in eu
leaden belfry
Your streamers for tonight's EU matches:
Amaunet85 - [R3TI] R3TI vs. [VE1L] ViVaVE1L, then [LOCA] Will BeSmarter vs. [M8-] Oof and then through the bracket to the third place match
youtube: https://youtu.be/dmgZR6NOAXE
Fugit555 - [R3TI] R3TI vs. [VE1L] ViVaVE1L and then through the bracket to the third place match.
youtube: https://youtu.be/0nvj_NcyHGs
Wildoneshelper - [-W1N-] W1NSK vs. [ZWACK] HUltras and then through the bracket to the final.
youtube: https://youtu.be/hPMRNHNCDUc portal: https://eu.wotblitz.com/en/tournaments/#/tournament/351/description/
3very_Good_Name_Is_Taken - [-ASP-] SeriousGuys vs. [S-4-W] Sh4doW, then [EG-] MoreRerollsPls vs. [-03-] newbs and then through the bracket to the final.
youtube: https://youtu.be/E81iuQ4fsRo
RA1D_R1B_ - [T_R_A] TURK -LIONS vs. [TESRH] TESRH, then [LGN] Legion vs. [RA1D] RA1D and then through the bracket to the final.
no link available
manic pewter
I would actually like to see strong vs strong tournaments too with round robin. Much more entertaining than bullying in qt's. But that isn't really the best way to seperate the best 8 teams/clans in eu
@gleaming pollen I agree
fathom tiger
Isnt that like the upcoming top8?
hasty dagger
Its a tournament with 50k $ in prizes ,** its for the best teams** to try and win , not for mid tier clans
Nice, I missed that when I registered our noob team.
gentle ferry
Wut
untold tinsel
@leaden belfry I’ve been seeing on NA that some clans have a main and a second and the main will throw to the second team for them to get more cups. Do you have any opinion on this?
leaden belfry
oh I definitely have an opinion
but my frequently shared opinion on that has unfortunately not made WG reconsider it
clans using two teams have, imo, an unfair advantage over clans with one team, because if either team is knocked out early, they've still got a good chance to gain further cups with the other team
it makes it more likely for those clans to reach the top 8
so imo, it's an unfair advantage
thorn shale
As someone with absolutely zero skin in the game... In my opinion it should be one clan, one team.
vivid citrus
do you have the list of NA streams yet? @leaden belfry
leaden belfry
yes I do, lemme grab it and add the links, hang on
crisp shore
If an option of sending another team within a clan is possible, that team should participate in a separate tournament, just like an academy team.
leaden belfry
NA:
PapaRage - [-GP-] Vieja School vs. [V] Speed_78 and then through the bracket to the final.
youtube: https://youtu.be/GBOKJMc9gHo
iNeear - [STORM] Starbuxx vs. [HATED] Interstellar and then through the bracket to the final. No link available
Fugitsblitz - [RGN] RGN vs. [-SLG] Shotacon and then through the bracket to the final.
youtube: https://youtu.be/6XO8wCjB8dU portal: https://na.wotblitz.com/en/tournaments/#/tournament/365/description/
special thanks to @latent olive for stepping in to stream, since NA would not have an English stream without him tonight
untold tinsel
People that don’t speak English streaming a 90% English speaking server. Nice
leaden belfry
neither Fishy nor Droodles could stream tonight
vivid citrus
thanks 👍
leaden belfry
just be sure to give Fugit a like for streaming you guys at his 5am ;)
tbh, I miss streaming NA, but I am kind of glad not to have to be fully awake at 3am on workdays 😂
crisp shore
Give him some love for waking up extremely early for this stream 🥰
Don't underestimate the Spanish community on NA server 😉
pastel tartan
yea especially rage gets massive views, way more than even our eu streamers and that without coin streams
analog osprey
“Rage gets massive views” 👡
pastel tartan
i mean paparage .-.
near anvil
As a Spanish-speaking person, I’ve loved having tournament streams in Spanish
thorn shale
I just wish I was able to translate the streams. It would be helpful even tho it isn’t wg fault because then I can understand more of the commentary to help my team improve more.
hardy prairie
I don't know what they're saying, but it might be a good thing you don't understand what they're saying. Not throwing shade to a certain streamer for NA...
proud holly
Would be cool if Youtube had a Closed Caption thing that can automatically detect and translate whatever is being spoken
harsh ember
@hardy prairie I personally have learned a lot about reverse side scraping my rear mounted German heavy tanks from a certain streamer.
surreal hinge
wow, that certain streamer must be really smart and knows a lot about the mechanics of the game.
hardy prairie
I've learned what equipment to use from that certain streamer
The subtitles for spanish streamers are in spanish you clown @obsidian vine
pastel tartan
wonder who that is,coz its probably not me,lol
obsidian vine
Just put sub titles on and u will understand atleast something
surreal hinge
I've learned what equipment to use from that certain streamer
@hardy prairie that same certain streamer always shows the best positions for each map as well
narrow meteor
wow whoever this guy is he sounds intelligent
proud holly
hows it going wo-
surreal hinge
wow whoever this guy is he sounds intelligent
@narrow meteor yeah its almost as if this guy should be in the comp scene, shame that he isnt
hardy prairie
I honestly would love to see a comp team led by him
winged saffron
Would be an unstoppable force
surreal hinge
oh yeah, definitely, especially with the amount of expertise he has on comp strats
fathom tiger
"why I left cw"
surreal hinge
"premiums dont make you better?"
proud holly
"I almost smashed my pc while doing this"
surreal hinge
"not even 1 damage"
civic glacier
wonder who that is,coz its probably not me,lol
@pastel tartan nah it’s not you lol
pastel tartan
yea thats what i guessed
surreal hinge
its the man that we call "linguini"...
thorn shale
@hallow mulch
hallow mulch
cant wait to play on my twisterboost account today
crisp shore
"why I left cw"
i feel attacked 😂
thorn shale
@leaden belfry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJFNCynMdHg iNeear's stream
rotund jewel
@wraith idol
terse perch
👀
winged saffron
obsidian vine
Great NA meta. Extremely interesting games to watch
left portal
I quite enjoyed the very first rgn game where the enemy drowned a tank halfway through
wraith idol
@rotund jewel
mellow aurora
I agree @obsidian vine
sick hinge
@winged saffron
winged saffron
Yes?
fast hareBOT
y0514#2514 has been warned.
robust comet
RIP professional tours....
Realistic battles incoming and bringing Lag and lot of stuff to enhance your gaming experience
crisp shore
Well you know without flying tanks the tournaments won't be exciting enough 😉
sinful crest
RIP professional tours....
Realistic battles incoming and bringing Lag and lot of stuff to enhance your gaming experience
@robust comet game freezes here we come
crisp shore
🥶
wet tide
Wait, you guys are playing wotb now?
narrow meteor
wish for the round robin you could play each team twice but it is what it is
obsidian vine
^^^^^ bro that’s what I’ve been wanting since it was changed. Same qualifiers not longer but longer top 8
crisp shore
Wait so the format for Blitz Cup preliminaries is announced?
fathom tiger
Who wouldnt wish for double round robin
narrow meteor
We play all our games in 8 days then we wait a month for the finals
fathom tiger
Wasnt there like something that depending on the server? Like asia first weekend, ru next, then eu and na as last?
obsidian vine
Yes that’s right
fallow osprey
Lmao we had a tournament of tier 8 the first battle we needed against 3 people we were almost dead lmao xD
obsidian vine
Wow cool story
slim socket
riveting
analog osprey
Nice toxic with beginners
obsidian vine
@analog osprey ???
thorn shale
@lime glen I couldn’t find when the RBM registration Could you please tell me when registration open I am rlly sorry for pinging again I just can’t find it anywhere
fast hareBOT
Steve-O#3141 has been warned.
civic glacier
eternal breach
lol
vagrant phoenix
weak flame
Wp mm
Funny that it took one reroll on our tourney team for you to realize how idiotic the seeding system is though
fast hareBOT
Tapewormwilly#1219 was muted
vagrant phoenix
Lol nice
proud holly
AbuseTheSystemGang wya
vale matrix
that is big brain
winged saffron
The ultimate troll I see
viral ocean
All the clans that need to rig to get good wr won’t get top 8 cuz they suck at the game so let them waste their time and money 🤡🤡
thorn shale
One clan is NA already has a 100 wr account.... Their wr will def be more than 70
wet tide
All the clans that need to rig to get good wr won’t get top 8 cuz they suck at the game so let them waste their time and money 🤡🤡
@viral ocean true but not true. Not gonna give names but e.g. in summer season my team fought another team 4 times and the first time was 2-1 for us, 2nd time 2-0 for us, 3rd time 1-2 for them and 4th time 2-0 for them. Still in the summer championship they got into top 8, getting prize money and we got left out on top 16. The better MM really helps. They got to fight the worst team of the top 16 and we faced R-2-K’s 2nd. Not saying we should be top 8, but other teams deserved top 8 way more than them
fast hareBOT
russiantanker123#0022 has been warned.
fossil lance
im ready for the big time
analog osprey
MDDDR
scenic thorn
Prove your skill more like prove your reroll
past marlin
Meanwhile in Asia it's prove ur ping
thick coyote
more likely prove ur fps drop
broken sedge
ProveurWinrate
silver vapor
Prove it reroll
past marlin
Ur*
mild river
Your*
thorn shale
Looks like APA is top 9 and now they need two 100%wr accs to get into top 8. I have no words
Also noticing the fact that they already have one reroll with less than 1k randoms
floral python
I mean as i said before if we all abuse the system then technically no one abuses it😫
thorn shale
@chilly terrace Does this team really deserve being in top 8?
thorn shale
100 wr is a bit far. That significantly increases your wr. 70-80 is ok but 100 just makes your total avg go up 4-5 percent. RGN deserves #1 in wr but now they won’t have it
@floral python no team has had the guts to go past rgn tho. I guess 2020 is a year of first
im talking about EU server
crisp shore
All the clans that need to rig to get good wr won’t get top 8 cuz they suck at the game so let them waste their time and money 🤡🤡
Well you don't need to rig this system by boosting your win rate. You can actually, if you think the top-seeded teams are not as good as the middle-seeded teams, intentionally bump down your team win rate in order not to face the middle-seeded good teams. 😉 😉 Fortunately, no clans did this at the time of saying.
Looks like APA is top 9 and now they need two 100%wr accs to get into top 8. I have no words
Also noticing the fact that they already have one reroll with less than 1k randoms
Well they are seeded in 3rd in the EU already. I don't know how boosting their win rate will further help matters, because if you get to the seeding of MERCY, you will face VE1L/-W1N- in round of 16, which you need to beat them in order to prove you are top 8 worthy
obsidian vine
Lol same old discussion going around in circles..
proud holly
Did anyone suggest having the seeding still be based off of WR but also factor in the number of battles?
Like if A had 99 battles with a 49.4% winrate, and Person B had 1 battle with 100%, the collective winrate is still 50 percent?
WG must be hella smart when decided to go from that to the current system then @left portal
left portal
It used to be like that
obsidian vine
Yeah it should be based off battles smh. Still takes the top 7 but top 7 winrate based off battles.
jovial moth
@obsidian vine the wr seeding problem has taken the attention away from the clan that still throws games to their sub-clan’s teams
harsh ember
atomic tartan
Did anyone suggest having the seeding still be based off of WR but also factor in the number of battles?
Like if A had 99 battles with a 49.4% winrate, and Person B had 1 battle with 100%, the collective winrate is still 50 percent?
@proud holly that's what the old system used to be lmaooo
dry flint
proud holly
Ok so why did they change it 🤨
patent quartz
i'm just saying, it might be time to react huh, i'm not gonna blur the names becuase you can check by urselves
thorn shale
Bruh why use a 100 wr account. Imagine being on NA and trying to have better wr then rgn. Also 78 is insanely high. They don’t even need the 100 wr accounts to have good seeding
left portal
@patent quartz where do you check that
patent quartz
site
gentle sierra
Not even 80% smh
analog osprey
No 80wr no like
tropic lotus
prove your ping 😫
obsidian vine
@jovial moth 😆
thorn shale
@patent quartz Wdym they are pros they deserve being in top 8
winged saffron
We have that OP winrate
By OP I mean one of the lowest in the top 10 or so teams
floral python
@thorn shale having better wr then rgn doesnt make you a better team
thorn shale
@floral python but it still takes away something they truly deserve. Which is #1 Seeding
floral python
@thorn shale im sure they will be fine with #2 in seeding, besides, top 3-4 are in seperate brackets
Besides, I really dont get why wg doesnt weight wr anymore, it was a working system idk why it was changed
thorn shale
@floral python but what is the point in rigging seeding if you already had 68? You get easy teams anyway
floral python
More flexibility in terms of other 9 players@thorn shale for example if a high wr guy cant make it one day, then our % wont drop as much
Besides that, a silent protest of how the system of seeding is dumb
thorn shale
@sonic iron u mad ?
bronze girder
🚫 🇵🇱
obsidian vine
@thorn shale no one deserves any seating, you play with the players you have and your win rate is what it is. I have very low win rate in general but we go with it. No team deserves any sort of preferred seating, or whatever your indicating, especially if it’s based off “popularity” “or reputation”
floral python
@obsidian vine are you mad at me fellow green😭
winged saffron
Green gang
obsidian vine
@floral python want to help me to be blue tonight
floral python
Im most likely going to be busy with work but since you are .05 away ill do my best @obsidian vine
obsidian vine
Yessir
winged saffron
Trying to join the blue brotherhood I see
scenic thorn
congrats 👍
proud holly
Tfw no tomboy gf
crimson island
🦄
sonic iron
10x 100wr coming soon
warped patrol
💯
graceful jetty
You only need 7x 100% wr
hot pecan
าา
glass thunder
7th clan with 100% wr account xd
sinful crest
Sometimes you just gotta respect the reroll grind💯
odd basalt
grind? they just buy a t10 prem and thats it. It's not like they're going to play on the acc anyways 🤷♂️
left portal
Not abusing the system if everyone does it ez
chilly hemlock
@thorn shale so you’re saying a clan truly deserves number one seeding because they are good in pubs?
Imagine what this does to a teams win rate. Double the battles of almost anyone and 10-15% higher wr.
Seeding should be based off of the win rate and number of battles in the tier of the tournament if anything
fathom tiger
Cups
chilly hemlock
@fathom tiger id argue that cups are for top 8
thorn shale
@chilly hemlock no I’m saying they deserve #1 seeding because they have the highest careers. Yes you guys have the high careers too, but their careers are a bit higher on avg. They are also not rerolls.
left portal
I’d do cups anywhere that was possible. Also I dont quite understand why the finals of these qualifiers aren’t based on performance but rather on wr.
proud holly
Or at least based off a WR that’s weighed by number of total battles
thorn shale
@obsidian vine lol congrats on 60 wr
chilly hemlock
@thorn shale I think you entirely miss the point
thorn shale
How? Using this system teams will end up having more wr than a team that has the highest wr if battles were counted. @chilly hemlock oh now I see it... how does someone club t3 and 4 for so long
chilly hemlock
Did you not look at the pictures I posted?
If you don’t understand how someone like that doesn’t break the system in a different way than a 1 battle 100% wr account, then I don’t know what to say
thick coyote
it should count tier 10 stats , @chilly hemlock ppl can buy tier 10 and win a single battle with it
chilly hemlock
At the bare minimum, it should only be based off win rate of the tier of the tournament
Tier 10 is based off tier 10. Tier 8 based off tier 8.. etc
terse nebula
100% accounts with 1 battle doesnt really affect on teams wr, battle amount is the key factor. Or i have missunderstood the system
hardy prairie
I mean, yes, but there are far and few between players with that large of seal clubbing status. At least they have committed the time for thousands of hours into a new account to gain that benefit. A brand new account to gain the exact same benefit is not earned by measure of time. This is WG after all. The most likely change is a simple one. Just factor career battles in.. ez fix.
chilly hemlock
@terse nebula there are cases where it’s not weighted off battle count
Win the first game, buy premiums, play ratings and events only, and free xp tier x’s
fast hareBOT
Łukasz#0805 was muted
chilly hemlock
@thick coyote facts. It’s a bit more of a risk
thick coyote
well , if it is going to be tier 10 and battle based off , i fear , top clans will meet other top clans in first battles u know what i mean , it is like , playing finals at start
chilly hemlock
Could make it a 1k minimum battle count I suppose
terse nebula
@chilly hemlock Really? Yeah i understand how and why people do this.. But if team has 6 with 1 battle and 100% and 1 player with 50k games and his wr is 50% then teams wr is like 50%.. And crew skillz are also what most "rerolls" dont have maxed even you can buy them... Small factor but a factor anyway.. And IRäikkönen, nice name @Finland
chilly hemlock
I think tj is still right. Elo system is what’s needed
@terse nebula if it’s unweighted, their wr is 92.86%
terse nebula
@chilly hemlock Not sure what unweighted means, im from Finland 😛 But thats how i do our teams, i use those players who has best wr and dont use low wr players... But only if our teams wr is close or over 60%, under 60% doesnt really matter if i suffle players... As in EU if your team is under 60% you will get pretty high wr team against in first round, and slightly over 60% you might get 50% wr team ... This seeding system is pretty brutal.
chilly hemlock
@terse nebula 100x6 + 50x1 = 650. 650 / 7 = 92.86%
terse nebula
Yeah thats how it goes if battle amount doesnt affect, but its a major factor on teams wr? Or this is how i have understood this
1+1+1+1+1+1+50 000 = 50 006 , and when that 50k player has 50% wr then teams wr is pretty much 50%, this is how i understand this teams wr system works.. i can be wrong though.. Now its time for some beer 😛
hardy prairie
That’s why every one here is angry. It’s not like that. It’s how iRaik described it. Battles are not accounted for this season.
thorn shale
But then whoever has general Big Ben will get op seeding
terse nebula
Oh ok.. that sucks then
left portal
Yep
civic glacier
terse nebula
This might not be the right place to ask this but does anybody know how many accounts you can have in 1 server?
tribal skiff
Are we still making jokes about Ben?
thorn shale
What kind of joke is this seeding? IMM0R right now top 3 against VE1L right now top 6 facing each other at the SECOND ROUND, so ONE of us wont take ticket for tomorrow
@chilly terrace Is this fair? The one losing will be out of top 8
glad sphinx
Lmao @civic glacier
crimson island
🦄
south charm
@thorn shale why are you crying? You're top 3 and as you can see you have second team. Veil is in worse situation...
tribal skiff
@south charm because, contrary to popular belief, the top teams don’t hate each other
slender flare
🍿
south charm
@thorn shale Im sorry for this reason :'( you can only thank WG for that
thorn shale
Its half WGs fault and half the fault of the teams using 100%wr accs to try and get into top 8 since they lack a thing called skill
analog osprey
🚨🚨 bip bip
mild river
I mean, you can get top wr, but after that you gotta play, just because you got top wr doesn’t mean you automatically win
slender flare
@mild river i guess u don't know how does WR system works.
sinful crest
I mean, you can get top wr, but after that you gotta play, just because you got top wr doesn’t mean you automatically win
@mild river agreed
thorn shale
i guess you 2 doesnt know how the system works. Lmao
mild river
@slender flare no I don’t know, I just hop on tourney and play 🦧
gentle sierra
You put 2 teams from the top 8 to play against each other on the 2nd round of the 2nd group
Meanwhile the 1st group has 0 teams from the the teams ranked as top8 currently on the leaderboard , well done
obsidian vine
Guys PYS tourneys aren’t even halfway overall there is plenty of time to qualify still
glass thunder
You put 2 teams from the top 8 to play against each other on the 2nd round of the 2nd group
Meanwhile the 1st group has 0 teams from the the teams ranked as top8 currently on the leaderboard , well done
@gentle sierra the teams with 100% wr accounts are better than teams who played good and made it to top 8
all know that
thorn shale
WG your system is so bad. VE1L is prob out of top 8 now. Thanks for letting the good teams be out. Maybe learn how to make a system.
warped patrol
Perfect for mojkar’s memes
marsh cliff
XD
thorn shale
Seems like your double 100%wr acc worked @warped patrol you got VE1L out and now you can get in top 8
Edit: @atomic tartan VE1L is already out since they lost on the second round. They dont have "ticket" for tomorrows tourney. So they will lose a lot of cups
atomic tartan
I havent kept track but isnt there like 929383874893833 ascents this season and we’ve only been through 3 so far?
sinful crest
i guess you 2 doesnt know how the system works. Lmao
@thorn shale bruh lol I do , I’ve complained about it myself. If you’re good enough to be top 8 then you’re going to be top8 as long as u make top 4 in group stage. Which is not hard to do lol , anyways and VE1L is not out nobody is out lmao there’s like a million qualifiers this szn
thorn shale
Yeah... and the final stage doesn’t even consist of a ton of cups
I think you dont understand that EU has like 6 teams with 100wr accs and that makes the seeding shit
marsh cliff
Seems like your double 100%wr acc worked @warped patrol you got VE1L out and now you can get in top 8
Edit: @atomic tartan VE1L is already out since they lost on the second round. They dont have "ticket" for tomorrows tourney. So they will lose a lot of cups
@thorn shale XD LC is out only bcs of you
atomic tartan
I think you dont understand that EU has like 6 teams with 100wr accs and that makes the seeding shit
@thorn shale unfortunately i don't think you'll have a choice then. better start rerolling accounts in all future teams and hope someone else messes up
crisp shore
The seeding is turning out to be pretty bad at its purpose I'm afraid.
thorn shale
@marsh cliff What are you talking about? lmao pls shut up
@atomic tartan i dont really like the idea of having 1-2 players with 100wr in my team. I will just keep playing with my team and giving the best
edit: @marsh cliff what? we won veil yeah, do u want me to rig and let them win? Nice
marsh cliff
XD? Arent you immor players that won VS veil?
@slender flare xD
slender flare
@marsh cliff go bulli migu show him
thorn shale
o7 100 percent reroll helped 4 percent op @harsh ember facts
atomic tartan
if you want to stand a chance this season in that server, its what you and every other team will just have to do. theres no way around it. it's just the unfortunate truth of the matter
harsh ember
This is why we should’ve kept general big ben
analog osprey
@south charm 😉
south charm
@thorn shale maybe if we play with 3 100%account we will kick immor out : D
slender flare
Out played😂
surreal hinge
I just see a lot of crying from people now learning how bad the seeding is
I saw ping and it got removed XD
thorn shale
imagine getting one top 8 contestant out abusing the system and thinking u have enough skill to be in top 8
obsidian vine
@sinful crest you gotta understand EU is a lot different then NA. Making top 4 on NA in each of the PYS tourneys is easy, however on EU your likely gonna face a good team or 2 to try to make it to the top 4 in PYS tourneys and get a ticket. top 8 is highly contested and actually hard on EU compared to NA where there’s only about 6 or 7 good teams. I could see about 7 teams being top 8 quality on NA and I’d say about 14 teams on EU that are top 8 quality. That’s the difference. the system is a lot more abusive on EU and since their is more mid to top 8 level competition teams get screwed more so in comparison to NA...
atomic tartan
I just see a lot of crying
crimson island
🦄
sinful crest
@obsidian vine true, but I’m sure we all know changing a seeding system isn’t realistic mid way thru the szn
thorn shale
I mean im criying since my friends of VE1L are out bcs of WG and bcs this team abusing the system.
But ofc WG will do nothing... So i guess gg go next
Edit:
@thorn shale I know and i hope they do that
@slender flare Go back to your cave pls
@thorn shale it is one ascent... if they do really good in the next one they can easily catch up @lusty flint -Mm are using it tho
obsidian vine
@sinful crest yeah it’s too late now. The larger the sever the more the system gets exploited by nature and more teams take the back hand of that. only about 2 teams on NA with close to or 100% win rate accounts on their teams... way bigger issue on EU then on NA
slender flare
Why dont u give a care about of urself and of ur clan? @thorn shale
If VE1L could have any problems with the system i guess they could explain us too 🤷♀️
surreal hinge
I mean im criying since my friends of VE1L are out bcs of WG and bcs this team abusing the system.
But ofc WG will do nothing... So i guess gg go next
@thorn shale tbh thats not a reason to cry, na has had their share of reroll abusing, but the issue has already been stated and known by wargaming. Not really a reason to keep on crying that "your friends" arent going to steamroll the competition. :/
Notice how it’s only the bad teams that are using rerolls for seeding @thorn shale exactly my point.
@lusty flint oof
sinful crest
The only way the WR system will get changed is by exploiting the shit out of it. Not by complaining or anything
thorn shale
all those tier 3 games for nothing.....
slim socket
Damn @lusty flint u didn't have to do em like that
Although i agree
slender flare
Well the system is already broke in the last 2 years. WG did nothing against it, why would they change now? - This game getting more useless in every year ngl.
crisp shore
Potentially RA1D vs. LOCA again in round of 16
slender flare
@crisp shore u should stream little clans 😂
analog osprey
@marsh cliff teacher! Teacher! gaseo stole my pen.
pale finch
@analog osprey VE1L sadge
thorn shale
It was my pen but okey @analog osprey
marsh cliff
@marsh cliff teacher! Teacher! gaseo stole my pen.
@analog osprey XD? He’s just fake, rude person.
Edit:
XDDDDDD
@bronze girder are you racist ?
slender flare
@thorn shale revenge pls
thorn shale
Fake? Uhm you are the fake top 8 team here. My team this season is worth to be in the top 8
Edit: thanks and sorry @leaden belfry
leaden belfry
You can either play nice and discuss things civilly, or you can get muted. Your choice
And that goes for everyone
marsh cliff
😄
Oki, sorry. Just sent ss of gaseos discord description
leaden belfry
I deleted some of your stuff too, @marsh cliff, because you definitely weren't playing nice either
There's a lot of strong opinions here and that's fine - but they'll still have to follow server rules and be civil when you express them
slender flare
@leaden belfry i bet MUTE all of them it would help a lot in the community. 🙏🏼
leaden belfry
Yes, but then stuff that needs addressing with wg won't be addressed, so that's not an option either 😂
green plover
@thorn shale as rekty said earlier, this (rerolling) has been an ongoing thing for years now but it’s only gained a vast amount of attention recently and as everyone knows WG won’t be making any changes to the layout of the tournament anytime soon. So you can do as much blaming as you want but it’s not going to resolve in your team gaining cups and another team being banned, and there are many teams doing this same method on multiple servers. So if you want you can either join them and add rerolls to your friends teams or just slay every single team on the EU server. It’s your choice.
leaden belfry
There's a lot of money involved in this tournament, so because of that too, it's understandable that tempers run high, but then still, people will just have to be civil
thorn shale
@thorn shale as rekty said earlier, this (rerolling) has been an ongoing thing for years now but it’s only gained a vast amount of attention recently and as everyone knows WG won’t be making any changes to the layout of the tournament anytime soon. So you can do as much blaming as you want but it’s not going to resolve in your team gaining cups and another team being banned, and there are many teams doing this same method on multiple servers. So if you want you can either join them and add rerolls to your friends teams or just slay every single team on the EU server. It’s your choice.
@green plover I think I already know. But its my choice to cry here. Hope you understand
crisp shore
Btw APA even with 2 100% and rerolls cant reach TOP-8
@burnt glacier Not true, if APA and S0ULS participate in the tournaments tomorrow, they will have earned enough cups even if they bow out of first round, to leapfrog VE1L
bronze girder
my movement is being censored
slender flare
Why don't u just play and trying to do ur best instead of crying? - (would help more trust me) - even if u think any1 broke the rules or ''cheated'' do the same thing cause WG won't do anything against it. (also do not forget this is still a GAME if u lose nothing special will be happen)
crude hull
Well, you need to say what you think is wrong if u want it to be changed, so its understandable that people complain about the really “smart” way in which teams are paired these tournaments
winged saffron
EU comp seems much more hostile than NA comp lol
leaden belfry
@burnt glacier remember that play nice I mentioned? Your last two comments aren't anywhere near it.
thorn shale
Rekty talking about doing your best
sonic iron
ok
crisp shore
They have a valid reason to "cry" imo, especially if something is broken, or apparently against their written rules. If the current seeding is broken to a point where a random seeding will do just as good, then there is no point in continuing the current seeding, and it is starting to become like one imo
leaden belfry
@winged saffron generally depends on the time of day you look in here. But atm EU is, let's say, raising awareness about the abuse of 100% accounts being used and the way that affects seeding
bronze girder
We should all listen to rekty tbh, if you win you won like this wise man said once
leaden belfry
The current system definitely isn't perfect
slender flare
Well today didnt work the magic 🤷♀️ @bronze girder
burnt glacier
@leaden belfry r u sure? May be u will reread this messages? Or I should rewrite this to understand that my message was about topic of this channel. Or u just want to clear my message,then ok.
analog osprey
“Elem are p2w that’s why they won eg-“
leaden belfry
@burnt glacier your messages were rude and not actually discussing anything
I'm all for the seeding system being discussed, and the way it's being abused, but it's quite possible to do so without becoming rude
chilly hemlock
Someone should create a clan with 7 1 battle 100% wr accounts and register it to prove a point
crude hull
I prefer random seeding than current one
leaden belfry
I don't see why it can't just take into account whole accounts. As in all battles played by all players in the team, and calculate the winrate of that. Then 1 battle with 100% winrate will just count as 1 win
proud holly
I thought that was how the old system worked @leaden belfry
leaden belfry
Still makes rerolls quite tempting, so that's not perfect either
leaden belfry
I don't get why they're not anymore, tbh
chilly hemlock
Logic 404
marsh cliff
Someone should create a clan with 7 1 battle 100% wr accounts and register it to prove a point
@chilly hemlock XD ok
leaden belfry
Issue would still be ratings battles though, used to grind lines and tanks instead of regular battles
slender flare
Well at the begining we were talked about the system, and now we started to bully eachothers clan and their performance its not cool.
last stratus
@gentle sierra sort them out lad
chilly hemlock
Elo is needed
bronze girder
@gentle sierra we need your expertise for this matter
burnt glacier
Ah I was rude)) Btw it was just a facts,but ok...I guess it's normal to cancel facts
sonic iron
@burnt glacier in the next tournament we will give 3 accounts 100wr 😉
slender flare
@burnt glacier she is just doin her own job as u can see this is the ''tournament'' channel so instead of bullying each other discuss about the system.
@sonic iron- pls let it happen hahah 🙏🏼
winged saffron
The real question is, who will be the first 100% team lol
leaden belfry
We'll probably see them come spring season, unless wg changes things
burnt glacier
@slender flare in your fantasy I'm bulling somebody. I'm talking about how it system help or doesn't help teams reaching TOP-8. Try to read attentively. I know what this channel about.
leaden belfry
It's probably too late for people to build accounts like that and actually have playable tournament tanks on them before the rest of autumn season, but this'll likely be abused further
glass thunder
System is so bad we all know that from 2018 and wg kept saying system is fine
leaden belfry
@burnt glacier then discuss it, without making it personal and insulting. I don't disagree with your points, generally, just with how you choose to phrase and post them 🤷♀️
burnt glacier
@glass thunder yep and at least recently I saw on CIS discord server that WG working on changing system,cause CIS server has the same problem when strong team(TOP-8) getting strong team in early stage, at the same time they got situation when bad team reaching semi-finals. That is about final stage of prove your skill
wet tide
Tbh all this abusing of wr seeding just makes me say that I’d prefer random MM over this. Then people cant abuse it, find loopholes or mess up the system. There’s already enough qualification days, odds on getting bad mm every day shouldn’t be that high. And let me repeat for the thousandth time that my statistics in public games have NOTHING to do with my skills as a tournament player
forest matrix
16 tournaments with random group making and no « tickets » would perform better than curretn system
burnt glacier
@wet tide if WG don't want to change WR system then we they will just include battle counting,but actually we have lots of exp. in rest games,sports where seeding is more fair.
proud holly
Alot of Smash Tournaments have a Winners Bracket and a Losers Bracket that gives an "extra" chance to win
Maybe WoTBlitz could implement that
wet tide
@wet tide if WG don't want to change WR system then we they will just include battle counting,but actually we have lots of exp. in rest games,sports where seeding is more fair.
@burnt glacier ehm don’t agree, seeding shouldn’t have anything to do with how much battles I have spammed in my kenny otsu, if wg is too ignorant to listen to our advices then atleast make it 30day like cmon.
jade spoke
last 100 battles
burnt glacier
@wet tide nah...U can play ke ni otsu or double dracula(smasher) last 30 days
leaden belfry
Last 100 battles in tier X
Or in whatever tier the tournament is in, for that matter. 8 for 8, 10 for 10
30 days won't work as people will just play 1 battle and then go to ratings or some such
But certain number of battles might
wet tide
@wet tide nah...U can play ke ni otsu or double dracula(smasher) last 30 days
@burnt glacier guess we both agree that wr based is bull**** xd
Last 100 battles in tier X
@leaden belfry spam double progetto xd
Or just not play at all and have 100 wr anyways
Guess we can all conclude that WR IS BULL****
So pls wg do something after 2 years :D
leaden belfry
There's no perfect system
tropic lotus
i understand all the fuss... but a team that slaps a couple 100% accounts doesn’t mean they’ll automatically preform better. in the end the teams that are most skilled are the ones that are going to win
leaden belfry
But a system that allows empty 1 battle 100% winrate accounts to abuse the seeding has to be the worst systems we've had for seeding >.>
forest matrix
If seeding has to be about individual winrates then last 100 battles seems making sense and avoid the two main flaws : favor reroll and punish legacy stats while being hardly fooled + something super easy to implement for WG. Honestly could be rollled out next week. It does not even require a patch as the seeding algorithm is hosted by WG.
leaden belfry
@tropic lotus well yes and no. Issue is that because of these rigged seeding teams, it's happened that some of the top 4 clans for EU are facing each other early and knocking each other out
I doubt that's not the case on NA as well
@forest matrix exactly
Still flawed, but definitely a lot less flawed than this
burnt glacier
@leaden belfry Rolling wrote lots of options
wet tide
There's no perfect system
@leaden belfry I’d prefer random MM over this every moment of the day.
@tropic lotus wrong, as I said sometime before, a team around my teams level made it into top 8 last season (getting prizemoney) and we got left out on top 16 with nothing. Even though in the end they still got rekt, the MM helped them an awful lot.
@leaden belfry kinda hard to imagine this happening consistently when its random. Sure you have some sort of luck or unlucky-ness, but then you might want to remove RNG from tournaments, every shell as accurate, only alpha shots and no ammoracks/fires. Pure RNG is better than something that can be abused, then its fair for everyone
tropic lotus
It’s not the same on NA, but WG are kinda shooting themselves in the foot here if they don’t want to fix the issue and continue having top teams knocking themselves early in the tournament...which is what the format of the tournament is supposed to prevent.
doesn’t make much sense.
either they don’t care and they’re okay with letting the game die off or lose players/teams eventually because of a bad system or i don’t know what’s going on there.
gentle sierra
They will fix it for sure , but it wont be done in this tournament maybe not even the next one , usual delay in order for them to take action
forest matrix
Only issue I see with the last 100 battles t10 is to take out test tanks (amx m4 👀 ) - removing platoon battles would also help (especially fail platoon 👀)
wet tide
They will fix it for sure , but it wont be done in this tournament maybe not even the next one , usual delay in order for them to take action
@gentle sierra ya mean 2 years lol?
left portal
Well for some reason they changed it to the current system and it’s pretty obvious ppl would do this so idk what they’re thinking
tropic lotus
@wet tide You’re telling me your team didn’t make top 8, and another team of similar skill did by abusing the system? I can understand what you’re getting at but I think it was a little more than their team wr being higher that caused them to be in top 8
gentle sierra
@wet tide 🤞
wet tide
@wet tide You’re telling me your team didn’t make top 8, and another team of similar skill did by abusing the system?
@tropic lotus exactly. We fought 4 tournaments against eachother. Idk the order anymore but still:
1st tour: my team 2-1 win
2nd tour: their team 2-0 win
3rd tour: their team 2-1
4th tour my team 2-0
I know for you its hard to believe, and not trying to offend anyone here but fighting the 16th clan of the list, or r2ks 2nd team. They only had to beat number 16 to go through to prize money round, we had to beat r2k and another team I forgot. Also they account shared, but not talking about that. My team didn’t deserve being in the top 8, but if my team didn’t, theirs didn’t for sure.
tropic lotus
That’s unfortunate.
glass thunder
wg leaving the chat
wet tide
And that, my friend, is why this system is just irrational. Like sorry here WG, but who came up with the idea to combine WR from random battles with tournament MM for prize money? For real, cmon. Even a potato server running game company could’ve seen that this won’t work at all, let alone such a big company like WG.
gentle sierra
The ticket system last twister worked just fine in order to determine the top 8 🤷♂️
bronze girder
🙏 baron has spoken
thorn shale
Nice so now -JJ is also using rerolls. Good for them cause they always got wrecked due to seeding
sinful crest
Nice so now -JJ is also using rerolls. Good for them cause they always got wrecked due to seeding
@thorn shale flashbacks to last spring szn😣
forest matrix
The ticket system last twister worked just fine in order to determine the top 8 🤷♂️
@gentle sierra no it was just the same as stupid af
gentle sierra
Not really , it managed to "pick" the actual top 8 teams from the Eu server at least @forest matrix and it allowed room for at least one mistake
forest matrix
Not really , it managed to "pick" the actual top 8 teams from the Eu server at least @forest matrix and it allowed room for at least one mistake
@gentle sierra how can u tell . Some of the bottom top 8 were exactly the same pot of rerolls getting ez mm as now (lets say some 🇵🇱 clans). It was less visible for u but it all started there. And next spring we had the first team taking lessons learned and having 100% account etc in reaction of this last twister. So no last twister was the beginning of the story with the same flaws and less abuse.
gentle sierra
There were no 🇵🇱 clans in twister you can check , and besides one account i can not really remember any team having rerolls to help them with easier mm , and im not the only one that has said that the teams that qualified were the actual top 8 at the time @forest matrix the system was bad at determining the top 16 teams but it doesn't really matter since the focus is on the top 8🤷♂️
forest matrix
Actually u guys know which clans should be top 8 even before starting lol
slender flare
@forest matrix same drama in every year before of the proff tourneys, wlc in the blitz community 🖐️
winged saffron
I think the best option for the day one matching would be 100 battle winrate at tier 10(if there are less than 100 it would count as 0%), then second day should be based on how you place in day 1, if you go by some kind of merit system tied to a clan that would prevent anyone new from coming into the comp scene, or atleast limit them
I don’t think there is any better way to come up with an initial bracket than some kind of winrate
surreal hinge
or just use elo system ._.
winged saffron
I am a bit sped and don’t actually know what that is lol, I don’t really watch any esport stuff
surreal hinge
its a chess system, basically every team starts with 1000 points, and whether you win or lose, your score is changed by +5 or -5. Therefore, for example, if pramo and rgn beat their first match, they would have 1005 elo rating, and they would have a greater chance to go against each other. It works really well for a big round robin tournament, so if you reconfigure the PYS tournaments to round robin using the elo system, it would be a lot more equal and fair. @winged saffron
atomic tartan
*lower chance face each other. Proposed ELO should still follow strongest vs weakest principle, as should any system designed to determine the top rankings. Otherwise the strongest knock each other out while weakest is a rat race to the bottom, resulting in a grand final that is curb stomp between absolute strongest and absolute weakest
Or a massive upset, but either outcome is a failure of the system
proud holly
I like that
winged saffron
I think that last finals thing was pretty close to his proposed one, all the top 3 were in the same side lol
surreal hinge
@atomic tartan it doesnt have to be for the finals, but for qualifying to prevent rerolls, it would work. Sure there is always the possible chance of a curb stomp with elo if the team gets really lucky, but the top 8, if using the elo system, should have higher scores than the rest of the other teams particpating. I'll draw up a simple elo bracket to show as an example. give me one second
bruh
thank you very much autobot for deleting my msg trying to explain it but @winged saffron yeah it would reset every season
winged saffron
Would the scores reset every season? If they don’t that would make it very difficult for any new team to climb the ranks since the top teams would get so far ahead after a while
vagrant phoenix
Rip storm 😔
thorn shale
@vagrant phoenix lol ikr
surreal hinge
Rip storm 😔
@vagrant phoenix its bc i wasnt on the team ):
if i was on the team then ez finals
(im joking btw XD)
proud holly
whahappen
midnight tapir
hi
leaden belfry
ASIA:
FugitGitGud - [GV] Great Viet vs. [ACT-1] ACT and then through the bracket to the final
ARandomSoldier - [-RN-] The_dogU vs. [-KDS-] KDS and then through the bracket to the final
xiyangkun_bilibili - [DTG] Dream team vs. TCS-1] The Cruel Storm and then through the bracket to the final
Eternal_Sinzan - [-NIC-] NIC Company vs. [CALM] CALM and then through the bracket to the final
EU:
Amaunet85 - [-ASP-] SeriousGuys vs. [M1R] M1R-PAX, [LGN] 6vs7 time vs. [IMM0R] SOWVA-SOWVA and then through the bracket to the final
Fugit555 - [M8-] MACH vs. [RO1] R01 and then through the bracket to the final
Wildoneshelper - [R3TI] R3TI vs. [-W1N-] W1NSK and then through the bracket to the final
3very_Good_Name_Is_Taken - [S0ULS] Gang vs. [TESRH] TESRH, [EG-] Ah bah yes vs. [KRK-S] A-M-X and then through the bracket to the final
NA:
PapaRage - [V] Enter Speed vs. [PURPL] Enigma and then through the bracket to the final
iNeear - [PNCR] Insurgence vs. [STR8] AIM TRUE and then through the bracket to the final
Fishy__ - [RGN] RGN vs. [BETTA] Blazar and then through the bracket to the final
Links will follow when I'm behind a pc, but at least you have the matchups 😅
glass thunder
when i see players talk about how to use elo system i like wg system more
pastel tartan
here with the links
EU:
Amaunet: [-ASP-] vs [_M1R_] -> [LGN] vs [IMM0R] and then through the bracket
https://youtu.be/r9UjWi0DhGc YouTube
Fugit: [M8-] vs [RO1] and then through the bracket
https://youtu.be/QEIOrMd7cFI YouTube
Wildoneshelper: [R3TI] vs [-W1N-] and then through the bracket
https://youtu.be/RF4snI9K-2k YouTube
3very: [S0ULS] vs [TESRH] -> [EG-] vs [KRK-S] and then through the bracket
https://youtu.be/RF4snI9K-2k YouTube
https://eu.wotblitz.com/en/tournaments/#/tournament/352/stages/384 Reward Stream
crisp shore
I will be streaming [R3TI] R3TI vs. [-W1N-] W1NSK, hereinafter [S0ULS] BAD TOUCH vs. the winner of the pair R3TI vs. W1NSK and then through the bracket to the final instead.
burnt glacier
@crisp shore R u sure?
crisp shore
Yes
burnt glacier
Interesting how it will be -_-
leaden belfry
@burnt glacier first match we get attached to sort of randomly, after that we stream the teams we actually follow. I stream ASP vs M1R first, then switch
burnt glacier
@leaden belfry yeah yeah...But pair of Bad TOUCH is not RETI-WIN. Then teach me how to read board
gentle sierra
Its an important thing to complain about
burnt glacier
@gentle sierra KK i will not...Thank u for giving your wisdom
leaden belfry
Wild starts with Reti vs Win, then switches to Souls. I start with ASP vs M1R and then switch to Legion, 3very starts with souls vs tersh, and then switches to EG and Fugit starts with m8 vs Ro1 and doesn't switch after, but follows that bracket
We all get put to a random first match, and then switch to the teams we're actually following, so to speak
burnt glacier
@leaden belfry thank u 👀
leaden belfry
You're welcome =)
proud holly
NA Stream links when
surreal hinge
when i see players talk about how to use elo system i like wg system more
@glass thunder so you would rather have clans abusing rerolls as they are now instead of having a more fair and competitive seeding?
crisp shore
Could Wargaming investigate whether tonight's lags and crashes are on their end? It is because there is an AFK tank on the -RN- end on the second game, and potentially lags for mediums and lights there.
alpine adder
Had some lag today aswell. 20-40% packet loss in the last few games for a minute each. Even my VPN didn’t help which is very rare. Still better than what it was before though.
jade spoke
KEKL
floral python
@forest matrix seeding for last twister was better since it included a weighted wr, so a 1 game 100% wr acc contribute close to nothing, where as now it is just a blank average of numbers
still solstice
Hi
thorn shale
-W1N- is so fun to watch. I love the double light and sometimes extra medium even with the heavy meta.
crisp shore
True, this is actually the RU meta
obsidian vine
I mean RU meta is a lot different they run literally any tank not just a lot of meds / lights
forest matrix
@floral python that’s what we thought but I guess nobody actually checked this. I don’t see WG modifying the seeding, as rexy always said they would not change it when the first claims raised. As far as I can remember the weighing thing was written in a NA forum thread but... not sure it was ever the case
manic pewter
@thorn shale We appreciate its fun to watch 👌
obsidian vine
@manic pewter great games btw. Well done
manic pewter
Thx!
pale finch
Yeah w1n has a nice playstyle I agree but don’t compare it to RU meta
obsidian vine
^
fringe galleon
We are finnish people so half russian basically))
proud holly
So is anybody streaming NA tonight or nah
crisp shore
Fishy should be streaming
obsidian vine
NA:
PapaRage - [V] Enter Speed vs. [PURPL] Enigma and then through the bracket to the final
iNeear - [PNCR] Insurgence vs. [STR8] AIM TRUE and then through the bracket to the final
Fishy__ - [RGN] RGN vs. [BETTA] Blazar and then through the bracket to the final @proud holly
proud holly
much appreciated
near anvil
I’d love it if the list of streamers for a specific day was either put in an announcement channel, or pinned in this channel. It’d make finding the streams a lot easier
thorn shale
Last thing about -W1N- is that I really liked how they have like the lowest wr in the final stage but can still make it to the finals. It shows how lower wr teams can’t be counted as easy always
pale finch
Of course lol, w1n has 0 rerolls in their team that’s the difference
sinful crest
When do the ascents end ? Some people are saying the 27th and others are saying “Prove you skill #5 “ is the last one
leaden belfry
The 27th
daring dune
ofc 27th
hardy cloud
Can anyone give me a link to the streamer 'xiyangkun_bilibili'? I can't seem to find them anywhere.
leaden belfry
I'm sorry, I don't even know who they are 😅
they're in the stream sheet, but they haven't entered any link, so I can't see what his channel is
hardy cloud
Hmm, ok. Thanks for the info 😢
sinful crest
Thank you @leaden belfry @daring dune
crisp shore
I think the video is in bilibili, Chinese-equivalent of YouTube, for xiyangkun
thorn shale
when is going to be new tournament
crisp shore
I believe there is quick tournament today?
scenic thorn
Coin tourney
versed field
Follow my team wildone 😉
crisp shore
I will definitely follow you once again during PYS!
manic pewter
Tumppis clan tag is misleading. Should be PRWKT
molten gale
😂👆
versed field
XD
crisp shore
Oof
manic pewter
@crisp shore If you want to know more about this new team. Hint: check friday quick tournament
surreal hinge
...english...only?
ionic shoal
Make mt competitive again pls. The current tour meta is extremely boring with 0 innovation in strat making. We need a meta where its more mobile and explosive not just heavy tanks camping
crisp shore
Tier 8 definitely, tier 10 still ok, but -W1N- have proven that the medium and light tanks aren't obsolete, yet I do think some of the heavies have way too many HP
If any, TDs need to be slightly more competitive
left portal
^
sinful crest
Bruh😂
hybrid pagoda
Sucht noch jemand für heute Abend des season coins Turnier ein Team sind zurzeit nur zu 6
Stufe 8Es ist keine abwerbung
Wenn ihr Interesse habt meldet euch um 18:30 Uhr bei mir oder auch früher
MFG BlackPantherHDTV
@tight oasis english only pls
versed field
I have registered team named dagem, believe me you wont get dissapointment if u choose us tonight xD
latent olive
follow W1N jack, they will have you moving the camera into places youve never seen before!
thorn shale
hi
manic pewter
We rotate so fast u cant follow with free cam 😉 @latent olive
thorn shale
Hi
latent olive
@manic pewter and when Killer is in a Vickers is just pointless trying to follow 🤷♂️ Like Normandy yesterday, he was everywhere all at the same time!
obsidian vine
Just like he should be in a light
crisp shore
Kantefromnorth
fair minnow
There is season coins tonight September 14 2020, correct?
thorn shale
is tier 8 tournament going to come back???
left portal
GMA top 2
obsidian vine
Tier 8 🤡
azure pecan
We still have The same tour invit lags since ages.. can’t it be fixed ?
manic pewter
I hope they will but its fixable vy sending new one
glass thunder
We still have The same tour invit lags since ages.. can’t it be fixed ?
@azure pecan just when you get invite don't open it on pc so when you to tc you can accept it xd
azure pecan
Yeah its fixable but it ll be cool if its fixed one day
@glass thunder even touch, it might bug if youre not online at the Time he sends the invit
pale finch
@azure pecan nice to see you back
azure pecan
@pale finch merci (: nice to see u and all this atmosphère again as well