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thorn shale
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Anyone have the stream schedule for NA?
@stable canyon NA is blank as of now so I assume it’s still not know then?

narrow meteor
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i quite like the format, rocket league does a similar thing and they have one of the more entertaining esports

stable canyon
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@thorn shale check pinned message

thorn shale
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3 teams from the top 5 are out to be replaced by 3 of the top 16. Lmao nice system 😂

night oriole
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WG made ascent tour for nothing there is no difference between top8 and top16 look today 4 team of top 8 get out of summer tour wg format put full teams of top8 in group 3 and rest groups put 2nd team of each clan except EG,LGN so gg wg top16 same top8 now i hope get muted bcs that what you do when players say the truth.

torn oak
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I’m playing in the tournaments tonight 🙂

crisp shore
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All the best!

thorn shale
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@leaden belfry did you figure out who is getting streamed for NA yet? Thx

pale finch
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Yeah the system is awful, tbf tho our team played without caller for the first time but that doesn’t change the fact that system needs to be changed

torn oak
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We play PNCR at 9:30

glacial lantern
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@leaden belfry did you figure out who is getting streamed for NA yet? Thx
@thorn shale that’s what I came to ask also but a memory flashes back to me that the streamed battle was going to be announced an hour before the battles began. Not too sure on that. If I’m nervous about playing storm imagine lots of people watching 👀 But as people say in my area: 0 miedo pariente

leaden belfry
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@thorn shale haven't heard anything about it, sorry =(

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But I know Paparage and Droodles should be streaming, so they'll be the channels to watch for livestreams for

thorn shale
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Wow. I hope I don’t get streamed lel

leaden belfry
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Paparage streams in Spanish, btw

narrow meteor
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he can speak english fluently though

spiral swallow
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@pale finch Mhh cmon, its not like you lose tour and the system sucks
also you @night oriole

zealous relic
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Paparage and iNeear are both great Spanish streamers. I hope iNeear can have a chance one day to stream with Paparage, so LATAM community can have at least 2 streamers for them to enjoy the games just as English speaking players. Also more games to be streamed 😎

sterile basalt
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Rawr :3

thorn shale
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@spiral swallow Yes the teams were actually to bad. They played bad thats it. Look R2K...they are definetly bad.
They had first place and now you think they are bad? Man use brain moron

pale finch
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Quite the pepega person

inner socket
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@pale finch Mhh cmon, its not like you lose tour and the system sucks
also you @night oriole
@spiral swallow you are right bruh. you hit the mark

last stratus
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💦

eager kestrel
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I smell bs idk what it is

analog osprey
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Hy hello

unkempt ingot
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Yeah the system is awful, tbf tho our team played without caller for the first time but that doesn’t change the fact that system needs to be changed
@pale finch if you hadn't won you wouldn't have said it🤷🏻‍♂️

inland solstice
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i have to admit, this system that is used is by wg is optimal, why would you want to put the best teams in top 8 in top 8 when you could switch the best teams with others from top 16? Elite gamer move - completely support this. will make the gameplay so intense honestly. huge respect to such a well planned tournament i hope the same system is used in twister: correction autumn season* (cus that’s creative) because it’s just so genius. my congratulations to wg for showing how professional they are. I think the gameplay we’ll see in top 8 will the best of the best; not at all those who benefit from such a good group system employed by wg.

lol for those who don’t understand simple sarcasm... i’m being || sarcastic ||

fervent imp
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👀

tropic lotus
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this convo is worse than the last one with the ticket and deadline extension..

thorn shale
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@spiral swallow no wtf.....they played 4 weeks good and one day not good enough so they are not worth top 8? Thats bs man. There is no advantage for teams that tryharded 4 weeks and prooved that they are one of the best EU teams. and thats the thing what is bad on this system. It doesn’t show you the „real“ Top 8. 4 weeks work for nothing bcs of one match...great system lmao....you didn’t even understood the sarcasm in my msg... that says enough tbh 😂
Yeah @pale finch there is no possibility of beeing that dumb lol

@spiral swallow man you are a troll...nothing else. We played all the time with 1 time and we have beaten teams like EG- and RA1D before. So start use your brain

pale finch
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Okay this has to be bait, there is no way that people are this dumb, several people criticized the system before the tournament was played including me now can you little giga random no names stop typing. Don’t bother this is either an omega imbecile or someone baiting @thorn shale

eager kestrel
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why can’t I say bruh that sad

vital obsidian
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Be happy guys, next tour wont have this system said rexy

crisp shore
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Well LC- didn't have a second team until the Summer Season Championship, while R-4-K seldom gain more cups than R-2-K 🤔

inland solstice
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your logic is stupid and so are you, now pipe down with your pathetic arguments. You know nothing and your information is completely wrong. go do some research. @spiral swallow

thorn shale
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@vital obsidian when did he say that

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@spiral swallow pls dont talk JUST dont talk. You are pathetic
edit: @unkempt ingot u are not pathetic but also pls dont talk. U talk pure bs without sense

mild river
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@spiral swallow 😂😂😂😂

tranquil seal
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The system is flawed. There's no doubt. It's exploitable in many ways. I would be an hypocrite to say that having an 80% player (even with very low battle counts it raises the team wr A LOT since, as we know, it's not weighted by battle number) sporting a 252U did not help us.
Still, I do not think we didn't deserve the place we got. Good night 🌃.

eager kestrel
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After reading your stuff beladonna I need to bleach my eyes and brain

spiral swallow
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Wow guys y all only arguments are that you deserved top 8 cuz u all biG pRoS and that im a noob no name insulting me, thats not how you have a discussion, i think mods will do their job soon, cya
(u are basically saying that the actual top 8 teams are worse than your's, thats kinda narcissistic, isn't it?)@thorn shale @eager kestrel @thorn shale
@analog osprey hi :)

vital obsidian
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@thorn shale when i asked earlier today, scroll up ^^

crisp shore
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My argument against win rate seeding is that it simply tells clans to stop playing once they have reached to the next stage. -ID- reached to SSC with 4 games to spare, so they can just ignore the 4 other games. They also have good average win rate so they don't even need to bother actually. Is that what Wargaming wants to see?

Though a good counter-argument is about dealing with second teams. Leaderboard seeding cannot really answer how you could seed the second teams: second teams who never play SSAT and those who actively beat the leaderboard clans like R-2-K (2) (you may argue about including cups here actually). One way is to seed the second teams below the 16th placed team, and then in the order of the first team placing. However, this doesn't take into account of the second teams' situation. Win rate seeding does guesstimate the ability of the second team a bit, though still pretty borderline.

I have made hypothetical draws with purely leaderboard seeding and also pot seeding. There are some interesting findings here and I will present them during the stream tomorrow.

I think it will be down to whether it is more important to encourage sportsmanship, or to kinda borderline take into account the ability of second teams.

Interestingly, my draws all predicted BHBP to face S0ULS in the next round (I haven't attempted a third draw yet), so it is definitely on S0ULS to lose.

analog osprey
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@spiral swallow Ola

unkempt ingot
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I'm not talking meaningless. it's a fact. the system is not the best, and we all know it. but don't act hypocrites only when we need them. just this. @thorn shale

pale finch
last stratus
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🎅

inland solstice
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naaa wdym it adds some dynamic to the top 8 doesn’t make it a waste of time at all for those who are in top 8 for countless weeks until a severely flawed system is used

thorn shale
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@spiral swallow Maybe go check all Ascents and see the teams that R2K first team faced. We won around 7 Ascents facing the biggest and best teams (LGN, ELEM, etc) Pls shut up. You never played CW and you are just trash talking bcs u have nothing better to do.

@unkempt ingot Tyrannize already complained about the format as many other people before the games started. So thats why i say you are talking meaningless things. He complained before playing bro, difficult to understand?? YoU aRe TaLkInG MeAnInGlEsS. So please stop typing... ThAnKs

use brain pls no kappa

glad sphinx
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@severe ermine bot :3

tranquil seal
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We were complaining about the system before we even started playing... Random seeding will result in there being weak teams in a position that they shouldn't be in. Should BHBP and CHRD really be up in the top 8? God no, the other top teams are going to annihilate them. Last time I checked, watching a team pile drive another team without there being a hope of a victory isn't exactly entertaining to watch
@severe ermine
Seeding is not random! It's wr based and that sucks even more because it can be manipulated. Bhbp though, they did a hell of a job. Elem as well worked wonders.
Lots of things need to be reworked, starting from the way teams are seeded (at least give us winrate averages weighted by battles). Second teams need to removed as well imo (or every team earns its own cups and placement).

fast hareBOT
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dynoSuccess Belladonna#8163 was muted

dim river
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thank the gods, even though I didn’t pay much attention to this channel, I’m glad they are gone

crisp shore
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You need to give credit to BHBP for beating S0ULS tonight. Even if you seed using leaderboard ranking, or a 4-pot system random draw, BHBP can still face S0ULS in the semi-finals. They deserve to be through honestly, i.e. top 8. (Although ELEM will never face R-2-K with these two hypothetical systems though)

opal iron
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Hello everyone!

reef kindle
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Gl to them for the 2nd tour

sacred pawn
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👋

pallid raven
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Ngl, it's kinda sad to see some of the people here disrespect teams like ELEM and BHBP after being beaten by them...

The tournament format should definitely be different, but come on. At least show them some respect for progressing on to the next stage.

Don't hate the players, hate the game.

tranquil seal
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Big +

sterile basalt
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Woah woah woah, let’s all calm down, what is this roast-ville festival goin on?

thorn shale
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@hallow mulch noob

cedar depot
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@hallow mulch carry us

night oriole
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@pale finch if you hadn't won you wouldn't have said it🤷🏻‍♂️
@unkempt ingot
If another top8 team lose they will talk so pls don’t say anything

night oriole
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Btw, BHBP,-US—,ELEM congrats for the win and i think no one means insult any of them the guys who lose tour they just blame the format of tournaments and wg should fix it bcs yeah really it’s not fair especially for R2K they win 7 tours against best teams so yeah the system is awful bcs most of Top8 teams play hard every time and now they all miss 4 last weeks and goes for nothing so gl tomorrow. < 3

grave scarab
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Let us pray the Na sever does not have lag and packet loss tonight 👏

torn oak
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How many rounds are being played tonight

left portal
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It’s literally in the info page in game

tropic lotus
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^

humble karma
torn oak
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Thanks

tropic lotus
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Who is Droodles streaming?

torn oak
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No one

pastel tartan
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he had an invite,but except the quaters he hasnt streamed any

@dry flint he did, he even had a 2 at tournament when he checked the battle results,i did see it change and he got the inv but didnt see it,i even watched with a friend and we both saw it

mild garden
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Droodles forgot to stream 2nd part that’s why. He thought it was over. Rip

@N.Z.#1459 he knows, it’s too late now though.
No gp lost 1st round.

Yeah matches still continuing, another round finished, time for the last round in a bit

proud holly
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I was wondering why the stream finished. . .

GP lost 1st round. Idk what's happening in the later rounds rn smh

dry flint
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I watched the stream. He didn’t get a room invite. I’m not sure if, but he was following GP. Did they get a second set of games?

Unless the games are super late 👀

Yes to the comment below

fossil lance
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is the stream over? tks

thorn shale
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Bruh storm and -MM just finished and they have their match right away. It is too close of timing

dull eagle
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Did anyone receive their boosters and avatars? I didn’t after watching that 1 hr and 13 min stream! 😦

narrow meteor
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BRUH

red vapor
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very nice servers so dog

vagrant phoenix
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Good job wargaming.
Not the first time this happened in a major tourney series.

vague obsidian
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🥺

wraith idol
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Server kicked out players in middle of Summer Tournament, really?!

hollow hemlock
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We got kicked wtf

prime maple
lean condor
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We can’t log in....

rotund jewel
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Same

obsidian vine
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nice servers WG, everyone kicked out of the game

limpid steeple
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Nice server connection

hardy prairie
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nice tournament servers jajaja

worn bolt
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nice servers WG, everyone kicked out of the game

proven yacht
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Smh

thorn shale
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Wow. Everyone affected?

young furnace
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o7 servers

grave scarab
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In the middle of a match with MM I got kicked out 🤣

burnt ingot
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Yep ggs WG

gray oyster
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I thought I was the only one

thorn shale
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Damn. That’s a yikes 😬

terse perch
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...

wide basalt
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no swearing @thorn shale

proud holly
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Demote hahahah

near anvil
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o7 servers

jade bay
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Like u

left portal
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How is this a politics thing lmao

shut anchor
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Server is down

dry void
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Hello

wicked snow
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Is there anyone who was streaming NA ? if sio lnk pls
Need to change my nickname as well

open zealot
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PapaRage

candid quarry
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I’m glitched with it saying I’m stuck in battle with two of my tanks even tho it’s been 15 minutes

astral hearth
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Servers are best during tournies....

glass thunder
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rip NA guys so you got server problems?

red vapor
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ye doodoo servers
@chilly terrace what will happen to the matches with pramo and gma, we have not finished our matches yet

plain nebula
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Yea we have server problems

young furnace
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ye doodoo servers
@chilly terrace what will happen to the matches with pramo and gma, we have not finished the matches yet
@red vapor actually no ones finished their matches

rotund jewel
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Most likely nothing will happens
as 1st and 2nd place will participate tomorrow, then no one is affected

velvet lily
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Is the top 8 based on winrate as well. So highest wr would get a bye ? Or is it like whoever gets 1st out of the bracket gets better seeding. Because whether you finish 1st or 2nd affects your seeding, then I think the finals should be replayed

tropic lotus
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I understand why y’all would wanna replay or reschedule the games, but it really doesn’t matter. At the end of the day whether a team wins or losses they’re both moving on regardless.

narrow meteor
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facts^^^

summer badger
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Ok

near anvil
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Server problems is saying it lightly
Everyone was literally disconnected

lean condor
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Ok but since seeding is based off wr the final games don’t matter. Because of that we don’t need to redo today

sinful crest
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Bro I was about to ammo rack pramos whole team😞 @grave scarab yes it is

gloomy peak
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So this is where all the cool kids are.

neon thistle
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Wadu hek

grave scarab
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Is that what your contract says? @sinful crest nice 🤣👌

shut anchor
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^^^^

sweet gull
obsidian vine
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Can’t violate the contract 🤡 @solid pine I see very nice,

glad sphinx
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Server down, clap clap wg, dam @terse perch it happened on top echelon? I was prob out of that time cuz I was taking a break from this game, I'll prob have a heart attack cuz of this game lol

solid pine
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So now we must ask the question, how does one fix server collapse 🤡 @obsidian vine nice emoji bro, I got inspiration. Personal reasons TK

terse perch
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in the same way they should already be prepared for something like this, 2 years ago the same thing happened with the top echelon. 🤡

wicked snow
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@dire forge thx mate

hallow mulch
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Pay attention to the servers instead of crate tanks 💩

astral hearth
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They gonna sell op server improve boosters insta lags everyone else unless they use the booster

fossil lance
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i love how my x3 booster show up just after i start the second round of tournys

chilly hemlock
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They gonna sell op server improve boosters insta lags everyone else unless they use the booster
@astral hearth sign me up

wintry mist
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Lol... 15 mins in between talking #edit xd but facts @astral hearth.... That man got banned >< that was kinda funny watching

fast hareBOT
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dynoSuccess USSR_ELITE(STORM)#2370 was banned

astral hearth
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Guess he won't be getting the server boosters smh

thorn shale
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Yikes

visual solstice
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Hi

white cave
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what's up

leaden belfry
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So server crashed for all, was doing for like 15 minutes and tournament basically went Poof?

thick elk
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Yep, I don’t think anyone finished all their final games and it gave some teams a random win if they were in a match when the crash happened. If the top 8 bracket is decided by wr then it doesn’t really matter, but if it is decided by performance in group stage, then they need to be redone

leaden belfry
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Damn that doesn't sound hopeful

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At least it's the top two for all that go through, so that's already know if they were in the finals

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It should be by performance in group stage - but maybe wg will go with wr because otherwise they have to reschedule the whole thing, and with the streams they've got planned with NA tonight and tomorrow - wg staff doing the stream and Droodles commentating on the actual matches - I doubt they'll want that

thick elk
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I think they should just redo the group stage finals as part of the final stage, so keep the same bracket. Would mean teams replay the same people but wouldn’t delay the tourney

steel shell
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Tbh something like “final stage” shouldnt even exist, completely 3iq move here😄 If wg wanted to set “top32” to make “final stage” why we played 10 ascents? 3 would be enough for this meme

leaden belfry
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because WG feels that you need more ascents than that to see if someone qualifies or not

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@thick elk ideally, yes, but the issue would be with the planning - the matches would have to happen before tonight and after that there still needs to be enough time to plan what's originally planned for tonight

thick elk
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@leaden belfry true, if they don’t want to extend all they can do is use wr as seeding

leaden belfry
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pretty much. But I'm sure Rexy will make a post and say what's going to happen before long =)

chilly terrace
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Hello there!
We know about the situation that happened on NA last night. As far as we can see only the finals were affected and only top-2 teams advance to the next stage according to regulations. Since we don't want tighten the tournament and force players play one more match without the need, we decided that:

Finals won't be re-played, all finalists advance to the next stage and will receive the 1st place prizes for the group stage. The final stage begins today at the same time 6:00 PM (PT) / 9:00 PM (ET).

near anvil
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So will the final stage be seeded according to WR then?

Edit bc slow mode: ok, thanks for the prompt answer

chilly terrace
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So will the final stage be seeded according to WR then?
@near anvil
Final stage will be seeded according to regulations (random seeding).

lean condor
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@chilly terrace do you have an eta on when the brackets for tomorrow will come out?

chilly terrace
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@chilly terrace do you have an eta on when the brackets for tomorrow will come out?
@lean condor
I can't say exact time but it will be soon

night oriole
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Stop deleting my massage pls

chilly terrace
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Stop deleting my massage pls
@night oriole
As soon as you start explain your thought clearly and respectfully, we'll do.

steel shell
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@chilly terrace why is here something like "final stage"? Why you couldn't take simply top8 based on cups like in Spring or Twister before? Now the competition is not top8... If this was your intetion, you could stick with old wr seeded system from beggining and we didnt have to play 10 useless ascents.. thanks for answer ;)

night oriole
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@chilly terrace i say everything with full respect I don’t say any bad thing i just say the truth much players upset from tournaments They want play well and enjoy the game, Ty

chilly terrace
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@chilly terrace why is here something like "final stage"? Why you couldn't take simply top8 based on cups like in Spring or Twister before? Now the competition is not top8... If this was your intetion, you could stick with old wr seeded system from beggining and we didnt have to play 10 useless ascents.. thanks for answer ;)
@steel shell
In this season we used Ascents to determine the best 16 clans. Why did you decide that it should be only 8? Why shouldn't we have determined 4 or 2? The answer is simple: then more teams participate then more completive tournament you'll see. And the current results are confirmed that it wasn't bad idea to involve more teams in this tournament.

sinful crest
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Any idea on why the server randomly crashed or?

chilly terrace
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@chilly terrace i say everything with full respect I don’t say any bad thing i just say the truth much players upset from tournaments They want play well and enjoy the game, Ty
@night oriole
I understand that you are upset because you didn't advance to the next stage because of seeding (as you think) but there would be other team that would be upset in the case of different seeding.

leaden belfry
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Stream schedule for today:
ASIA:
FugitGitGud - [-ID-] TEAM_ID vs. [-ID-] TEAM ID and then throughout the bracket https://youtu.be/5u9MhYVFQ1w
3very_Good_Name_ls_Taken - [FEAST] WALLETGAMBLING vs. [HLV] HLV and then throughout the bracket portal stream
youtube: https://youtu.be/XJFBCycHJLQ portal: https://asia.wotblitz.com/en/tournaments/#/tournament/303/description/
xiyangkun_bilibili - [ACT-1] ACT vs. [101AD] TEAM OF CHESHUO and then throughout the bracket - no link known
Eternal_Sinzan - [XR] XR vs. [GV] GREAT VIET and then throughout the bracket - no link known

EU:
fugit555 - [ELEM] ELEMENTS vs. [BHBP] HUNCARRIANS and then throughout the bracket https://youtu.be/zf5hdZLGtZ8
3very_Good_Name_Is_Taken - [LGN] LEGION vs. [APA] 252U IS LOVE and then throughout the bracket https://youtu.be/hGVKVIzw6fA
Wildoneshelper - [RA1D] RA1D vs. [CHRD] CHIN and then throughout the bracket https://youtu.be/w3Jjzko2ZSw
Camaunet85 - [EG-] ENDGAME vs. [-US--] GOMMONE and then throughout the bracket portal stream
youtube: https://youtu.be/VzmJW7OY-mM portal: https://eu.wotblitz.com/en/tournaments/#/tournament/328/description/

NA:
PapaRage - [GMA] ContractCentral vs. [PRAMO] SPEED and then throughout the bracket - no link known
Official Channel - [-GP-] VIEJA SCHOOL vs. [PNCR] NICE 252U SPAM and then throughout the bracket
youtube: https://youtu.be/RzGz-ajWy8k portal: https://na.wotblitz.com/en/tournaments/#/tournament/344/description/

steel shell
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@steel shell
In this season we used Ascents to determine the best 16 clans. Why did you decide that it should be only 8? Why shouldn't we have determined 4 or 2? The answer is simple: then more teams participate then more completive tournament you'll see. And the current results are confirmed that it wasn't bad idea to involve more teams in this tournament.
@chilly terrace it’s not bad idea to involve more clans, but with this “final stage” you cut off better clans and let few worse in
Why top16 wasn’t picked by cups?

azure pecan
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~~@chilly terrace hello, the discussion about how making a better à better seeding has been long enough and i think you understood our point of view

But still, without any offense, im wondering how wg think when they decide to use this seeding and not another one. Even if its hard to see, i guess wg has reasons to use a wr seeding.
But can we have an explanation about this ? Why do they use wr seeding and not something else ?
At least it would be interesting to know the reasons that push wg to work like this.~~

@steel shell ah k, lmao

steel shell
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Wg in past answered why wr seeding is “good”
“Because wr shows players knowledge etc”
But the fact some clans are abusing it, because count of battles is irrelevant ... different story

tranquil seal
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GOMMONE.

leaden belfry
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@tranquil seal I expect great things from you tonight 👀

tranquil seal
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Please don't.
Great memes, maybe.
Great performances, unlikely.

glass thunder
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WR system say CHRD US VEIL ASP better than RAID xd
and put raid vs lc
in same time CHRD VS ASP

its just tier 8 tournament but tbh its feel bad when you see bad teams you have no problem to beat (you did before in ascent ) get ez groupes and you get hardest team in tier (RAID )

chilly terrace
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@chilly terrace it’s not bad idea to involve more clans, but with this “final stage” you cut off better clans and let few worse in
Why top16 wasn’t picked by cups?
@steel shell
Because:

  1. Cups were earned for clans. Not for teams.
  2. It can be more than one team in one clan.
  3. Two teams from one clan can be stronger then teams from other clans. Hypothetically, we would see 8 teams in the final stage that represent 4 clans.
tranquil seal
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Actually, wr system said LC- better than RA1D as well.

steel shell
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Yep, but then you could do it like twister, 1 team can be registered for the clan and the 2nd could play this “final stage” together with rest

chilly terrace
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WR system say CHRD US VEIL ASP better than RAID xd
and put raid vs lc
in same time CHRD VS ASP
@glass thunder As I said before we are considering changes in the tournament rating, but it definitely won't be connected to the tournament performance because there are not conditions in the competitive scene for the tournament based rating.

glass thunder
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Actually, wr system said LC- better than RA1D as well.
@tranquil seal cause system put LC first on wr APA second VEIL 3rd and RAID 4 th
when clearly both RAID and LC are best 2 teams in that group

chilly terrace
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@tranquil seal cause system put LC first on wr APA second VEIL 3rd and RAID 4 th
when clearly both RAID and LC are best 2 teams in that group
@glass thunder How do you determine who is the best in this group?

steel shell
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Did lc abuse the wr system?
If yes, don’t cry..
How do u determine best teams of the group? Easily, if u play comp, you know it
But in this case wg would need to put effort and manually make groups to prevent this

tranquil seal
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Cup seeding would have prevented this issue, but again this is incompatible with this current two-team absurdity.

steel shell
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Main mistake of this tournament ( i dont count premiums tanks which are not everything- WG, without prems, only TT tanks it may be fun.. but this..)
Is the ascents.. if you wanted 16 teams whatever, you should make 1 team per clan and then collecting cups...
Like this it was chaotic and results are if i want to be polite is “meh”

glass thunder
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@glass thunder How do you determine who is the best in this group?
@chilly terrace just from old results in ascent tournament

Did lc abuse the wr system?
If yes, don’t cry..
How do u determine best teams of the group? Easily, if u play comp, you know it
But in this case wg would need to put effort and manually make groups to prevent this
@steel shell lc had one reroll did boost team from 69 to 71
you can call it abuse if you want
but others teams had 62 , 64 team wr and got 71 thx to rerolls

tranquil seal
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Main mistake of this tournament ( i dont count premiums tanks which are not everything- WG, without prems, only TT tanks it may be fun.. but this..)
Is the ascents.. if you wanted 16 teams whatever, you should make 1 team per clan and then collecting cups...
Like this it was chaotic and results are if i want to be polite is “meh”
@steel shell exactly, and then seed the final stage according to cups.

steel shell
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Yes, that’s correct

glass thunder
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@glass thunder As I said before we are considering changes in the tournament rating, but it definitely won't be connected to the tournament performance because there are not conditions in the competitive scene for the tournament based rating.
@chilly terrace when we will know about new evaluation syetem and if it will be before twister cup or not ?

steel shell
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I would make the same thing like spring and twister before.. 1 team per clan only and then collecting cups.. easy

last spruce
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I want to play tournaments

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Join my please

wet tide
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I would make the same thing like spring and twister before.. 1 team per clan only and then collecting cups.. easy
@steel shell totally agreed, please just make it like this and just get that bs wr based MM outta here.

steel shell
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Agreed

last spruce
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But i don't no how this is@steel shell

chilly terrace
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@chilly terrace when we will know about new evaluation syetem and if it will be before twister cup or not ?
@glass thunder
As usual we don't share any timeframes.

stable canyon
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@last spruce this is not a channel to get players for your tournament team. Please use #tourneys-team-search for that

silver vapor
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no reward stream for Asia?

leaden belfry
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@silver vapor 3very's stream should be on the portal

rugged wasp
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Where ASIA tournament stream?
ah here we goes, without any reward again because no stream

oak veldt
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@leaden belfry it is there but stream hasnt started lol

jade spoke
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Who wants those rewards anyway

leaden belfry
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Oh boi, that's not promising....

rugged wasp
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mention me whenever the stream has started. it's pointless waiting something that uncertain

leaden belfry
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3very has been found!

prime maple
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Are we getting the group stage rewards or nah??

pastel tartan
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maybe wait until the entire tournament is over?

silver vapor
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perhaps

chilly terrace
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Are we getting the group stage rewards or nah??
@prime maple The rewards will be given out a bit later.

prime maple
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Thank you Rexy!

wet tide
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Hold on, there are group stage rewards? Can anyone pls tell meh how much they are

burnt glacier
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@wet tide for 1/4 1140000 credits per team and 1d to each player

wet tide
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@wet tide for 1/4 1140000 credits per team and 1d to each player
@burnt glacier cheers bro, thnx

crisp shore
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And more jinxing from my prediction 😉

glass thunder
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Yes just hard to predict in tier8 tournament
just because no one expert on it and the tier is not balanced at all

glass thunder
inner socket
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@glass thunder ogni saw the stream u saw that battles were all close. Stop to talk random

glass thunder
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@glass thunder ogni saw the stream u saw that battles were all close. Stop to talk random
@inner socket yes ik for this i said it was so competitive

burnt glacier
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@glass thunder so TOP-4 is so predictable

glass thunder
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@glass thunder so TOP-4 is so predictable
@burnt glacier who said that? i think that have no relation with me

thorn shale
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gg

coarse roost
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Nice stream @crisp shore 👌

narrow meteor
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@crisp shore indeed your a very good commentator

leaden belfry
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Those matches between Ra1d and Elem. Absolutely awesome

analog osprey
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😭

narrow meteor
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@leaden belfry 7 game series are always a treat

leaden belfry
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Very true. But it's not often you go from a very strong 3-0 to a 3-4

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Elem was so incredibly strong those first matches. And then Ra1d came back

red vapor
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can i get a link to the stream?

leaden belfry
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It's in pinned messages - all four of them

crisp shore
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Thank you both Hassomat and Chipotle for the comment!

I really enjoy commentating the matches of RA1D vs. ELEM. The games are brilliant and ELEM are showing some top 4 quality tonight. I'm excited to see how they perform in the Autumn Season!

analog osprey
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Goldville effect meh

pure lava
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Very close games..gg to all

tropic lotus
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Can someone link PapaRage’s stream

frank robin
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Can y’all fix the packet loss in tournament battles please

proud holly
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1703 🤓

zealous kiln
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hola

shell glade
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Hi

wheat lark
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👍👍👍👍 for the technical team for streaming.....

hardy widget
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Hola

rotund jewel
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hola

proud holly
sinful crest
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Just a suggestion when it comes to tournaments , I think the whole Winrate seeding thing is unfair . My team has one of the lowest wr’s and we performed better than these higher winrate teams. Hopefully a change will happen for autumn season . @chilly terrace

thorn shale
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I agree with assassin. Their team is very strong and is the only reason they were able to beat so many teams. Otherwise, the system completely ruins the chance for a low winrate team to even have a chance to get far.

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I suggest maybe never do tier 8 again, and stick with tier 10 🤷‍♂️

zealous relic
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As I understand, seeding in this last stage was randomly, wr had nothing to do with it. I say this according to Rexy’s answer to the server issues that we all faced in the finals yesterday. But I may be wrong... if someone could confirm this, please do.

sinful crest
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As I understand, seeding in this last stage was randomly, wr had nothing to do with it. I say this according to Rexy’s answer to the server issues that we all faced in the finals yesterday. But I may be wrong... if someone could confirm this, please do.
@zealous relic true, but yesterday we had to face pramo because we had the lowest in the whole top 16 category. Facing pramo for your first match two days in a row isn’t the most pleasing thing

zealous relic
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Ohh, I thought your comment was about the seeding of tonight’s stage. Not sure about how the matchmaking works in order that you had to face them twice. @sinful crest

sinful crest
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Yeah like idk I don’t feel like WR determines a strength of a team , public battles and tournaments are completely different . Like sure it’s fine we’re still top3 but it could’ve been a lot easier for my team lollll ( with a different seeding system)

vivid citrus
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win rate for ascent is fine, but it seems odd that ranking in top 8 (or 16) isn’t taken into account

tall python
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having a leaderboard keeping track of cups over 4 weeks just to not use that to prepare brackets for the final stage of the tournament is just bizarre. what was the point of playing for the previous 4 weeks if it’s just gonna be based by WR? lol

sinful crest
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having a leaderboard keeping track of cups over 4 weeks just to not use that to prepare brackets for the final stage of the tournament is just bizarre. what was the point of playing for the previous 4 weeks if it’s just gonna be based by WR? lol
@tall python exactly like my team put in so much work to make top echelon just for our cups to be useless.

hard spire
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Easiest solution may be to just completely randomize it. If you have bad luck, you have bad luck.

thorn shale
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I think it should just be one team per clan and 1st plays 16th, 2nd plays 15th, 3rd, plays 14th, ... And you only need to play round. Winner of each match would be in the top 16. Theoretically you should get the best 8 teams. Then you can do double elimination however. I don’t think it would matter too much because you would get an accurate position for your team.

chilly terrace
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Just a suggestion when it comes to tournaments , I think the whole Winrate seeding thing is unfair . My team has one of the lowest wr’s and we performed better than these higher winrate teams. Hopefully a change will happen for autumn season . @chilly terrace
@sinful crest As I said before we don't plan to implement any seeding based on tournaments. We considering to change the tournament rating but it will be based on random performance anyway

sinful crest
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Thank you didn’t know you’ve answered the question before . Very much appreciated! (Rating would be a solid alternative tho)

chilly terrace
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Thank you didn’t know you’ve answered the question before . Very much appreciated!
@sinful crest Unfortunately, there are not enough teams which play tournaments regularly to implement tournament based rating for tournaments. Sad but true

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As I understand, seeding in this last stage was randomly, wr had nothing to do with it. I say this according to Rexy’s answer to the server issues that we all faced in the finals yesterday. But I may be wrong... if someone could confirm this, please do.
@zealous relic You are absolutely right. There was a random seeding in the final stage.

thorn shale
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@chilly terrace so seeding will never be based on rankings in the leaderboard in the future? @chilly terrace do you plan to do seeding based on positioning in this following season?

chilly terrace
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@chilly terrace so seeding will never be based on rankings in the leaderboard in the future?
@thorn shale
Not in regular tournaments. May be in majors but, for example, in this season it wouldn't be fair as well. If clan on the 1st position, it doesn't mean that both teams from this clan perform the same.

vital obsidian
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@chilly terrace will there be any tier X tournament (like offseason championship, bronze-silver-gold tournament) before autumn season begin? Besides quicktours.

chilly terrace
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@chilly terrace will there be any tier X tournament (like offseason championship, bronze-silver-gold tournament) before autumn season begin? Besides quicktours.
@vital obsidian You will find out soon

vital obsidian
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nice 🤗that sounds * very* promising 😍

sinful crest
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@chilly terrace will there be any tier X tournament (like offseason championship, bronze-silver-gold tournament) before autumn season begin? Besides quicktours.
@vital obsidian @chilly terrace will the next tourney season award The Professional camo?

muted ore
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@vital obsidian @chilly terrace will the next tourney season award The Professional camo?
@sinful crest Hello there! The awards of the next tournament will be announced later.

sinful crest
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Affirm thanks !

tranquil seal
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@thorn shale
Not in regular tournaments. May be in majors but, for example, in this season it wouldn't be fair as well. If clan on the 1st position, it doesn't mean that both teams from this clan perform the same.
@chilly terrace
This is exactly why the two teams system is deeply flawed.
One clan could have easily played with one single roster during all the ascents and miraculously field a second team, who earned nothing, in the final stage.
This also prevents in some way, as you said, the implementation of a cups-seeding system in the final stage that could (and already can) roughly "track" effectively how a team performed during ascents, because this would only worsen the problem I've explained above. Of course this would be a method only applicable to major series with a long qualification period, random or wr seeding is fine for bronze/quick tours.

silver vapor
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Not in regular tournaments. May be in majors but, for example, in this season it wouldn't be fair as well. If clan on the 1st position, it doesn't mean that both teams from this clan perform the same.

As I said before we don't plan to implement any seeding based on tournaments. We considering to change the tournament rating but it will be based on random performance anyway
@chilly terrace so you guys will consider using leaderboard ranking for future seasons? if that's that case, IMO there also needs to be done about clans sending multiple teams for Ascent tournaments, since the end goal here is to capture team's performance as accurate as possible, not just how much a clan can mobilize their players. Just my two cents though.

And Re: better seeding, since there isn't enough teams for tournaments to create a proper rating for each player, is it possible to create a proper skill-based rating system that doesn't reset every month so players get a proper ranking for themselves? I know this is somewhat an overlapping discussion to #rating-battles but the biggest problem to me about the current rating system is that it doesn't represent anything since the pool size of rating players is so small and rating resets so often. Random battle represent even less since you cannot measure tournament performance by how good one plays in random battle after a certain threshold, which basically where WR seeding matters the most in top level of gameplay. I strongly believe that a proper skill-based rating system that attracts everyone (and carefully designed) to play in will do a better job in both reflecting a player's skill in teams and a player's skill in general, which then can be used to seed tournament teams (and probably do a good job at it for smaller tournaments).

In the long run major tournaments will need to be seeded differently to smaller tournaments to ensure the teams are that are better are seeded correctly.

leaden belfry
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Stream schedule for today:
ASIA:
FugitGitGud - Lower bracket finals followed by Grand Finals portal stream
youtube: https://youtu.be/KFG1R8Wy7Gc portal: https://asia.wotblitz.com/en/tournaments/#/tournament/303/description/
3very_Good_Name_ls_Taken - Lower bracket finals followed by Grand Finals https://youtu.be/i5z1mGPQ_NQ

EU:
fugit555 - Lower bracket finals followed by Grand Finals https://youtu.be/mwzyg_U7kEE
3very_Good_Name_Is_Taken - Lower bracket finals followed by Grand Finals https://youtu.be/xbBZ2U-IL6E
Wildoneshelper - Lower bracket finals followed by Grand Finals https://youtu.be/66_rhJC3cF8
Camaunet85 - Lower bracket finals followed by Grand Finals portal stream
youtube: https://youtu.be/30pi0pDCGOY portal: https://eu.wotblitz.com/en/tournaments/#/tournament/328/description/

NA:
PapaRage - Lower bracket finals followed by Grand Finalst - no link known
Official Channel - Lower bracket finals followed by Grand Finals
youtube: https://youtu.be/fwFj5sIyPFg portal: https://na.wotblitz.com/en/tournaments/#/tournament/344/description/

wet tide
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@thorn shale
Not in regular tournaments. May be in majors but, for example, in this season it wouldn't be fair as well. If clan on the 1st position, it doesn't mean that both teams from this clan perform the same.
@chilly terrace then why not only allow 1 team to be created and then use the final placement of the team?

tranquil seal
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Exactly. Easy fix and would solve lots of issues. Not perfect, but better than now.

chilly terrace
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@chilly terrace so you guys will consider using leaderboard ranking for future seasons? if that's that case, IMO there also needs to be done about clans sending multiple teams for Ascent tournaments, since the end goal here is to capture team's performance as accurate as possible, not just how much a clan can mobilize their players. Just my two cents though.

And Re: better seeding, since there isn't enough teams for tournaments to create a proper rating for each player, is it possible to create a proper skill-based rating system that doesn't reset every month so players get a proper ranking for themselves? I know this is somewhat an overlapping discussion to #rating-battles but the biggest problem to me about the current rating system is that it doesn't represent anything since the pool size of rating players is so small and rating resets so often. Random battle represent even less since you cannot measure tournament performance by how good one plays in random battle after a certain threshold, which basically where WR seeding matters the most in top level of gameplay. I strongly believe that a proper skill-based rating system that attracts everyone (and carefully designed) to play in will do a better job in both reflecting a player's skill in teams and a player's skill in general, which then can be used to seed tournament teams (and probably do a good job at it for smaller tournaments).

In the long run major tournaments will need to be seeded differently to smaller tournaments to ensure the teams are that are better are seeded correctly.
@silver vapor
Ascents of their analog definitely won't use leaderboard based seeding. Also I would like to remind you that almost whole seasons had finals where seeding didn't mean anything because of Round Robin. And again we may use leaderboard based seeding in major tournaments but it doesn't mean that we will use it in any tournament.

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@chilly terrace then why not only allow 1 team to be created and then use the final placement of the team?
@wet tide
Because this season is different from other. We decided to allow 2 teams from one clan to make the season final more completive and I can say that we actually made it.

wet tide
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@wet tide
Because this season is different from other. We decided to allow 2 teams from one clan to make the season final more completive and I can say that we actually made it.
@chilly terrace so is there a possibility that in other seasons only 1 team will be allowed and we just use the cups ranking system for the final tournament?

chilly terrace
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@chilly terrace so is there a possibility that in other seasons only 1 team will be allowed and we just use the cups ranking system for the final tournament?
@wet tide The answer of this question two posts above.

leaden belfry
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@chilly terrace for Autumn season, has the ticket thing been worked into the regulations so that the abuse that happened by two clans during Spring Season can't happen again?

vital obsidian
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@chilly terrace In ascent of Autumn season, will it be possible for a team in an early qualified clan to jump to a friend clan, to buff that clans chances to qualify aswell in the last rounds? And then jump back for the finals?

This loophole should be prevented aswell

leaden belfry
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I like the original rule of people needing to be in the same clan for the season, tbh

wet tide
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I like the original rule of people needing to be in the same clan for the season, tbh
@leaden belfry yup, totally agree with that

gentle sierra
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🥱

chilly terrace
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@leaden belfry @vital obsidian No spoilers before the announcement.

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I like the original rule of people needing to be in the same clan for the season, tbh
@leaden belfry There wasn't any season where was such rule. Clans can improve their cast during the season and we don't plan to change it.

leaden belfry
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Not true. Originally, players had to have been in the Clan for at least 2 weeks to be able to join the tournament, and weren't allowed to leave it until the end of the season

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I'm talking about way back when

crisp shore
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Clans can improve their cast during the season, but realistically the clans stick to their original group of players since the start of the season because the group of players have been training intensively together for months. Newcomers will need some time to gel and will less likely help the team at all.

I prefer a transfer window in the off-seasons such that the players are tied down to a clan for the big season. This will: 1) prevent any unscrupulous poaching from other clans; 2) prevent unfair boost to struggling clans towards the end of the season; and 3) safeguard the smaller clans so that they can work together as a unit, knowing they are tied to the clan they are playing.

chilly terrace
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Not true. Originally, players had to have been in the Clan for at least 2 weeks to be able to join the tournament, and weren't allowed to leave it until the end of the season
@leaden belfry
May you find any regulations with this rule?)
It was prohibited to change the clan after the start of the final season part such as Professional tournament but there wasn't rule during qualifiers.

leaden belfry
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The ticket thing would be solved if players are bound to stay in the same clan for the non ticket and ticketed tournament for that week, and the tickets of that week expire after the ticketed tournament. Then they can hop clans all they want in between, without abusing the ticket system

vital obsidian
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its great if this is discussed and decided before the next big tour, not during the tour, since lack of rules will lead to loopholes and quick fix never works.

timber wagon
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Yo

leaden belfry
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@vital obsidian that's exactly why I was asking about it, before we see similar actions in autumn season

south fern
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Can I ask how the ticket system works exactly? I’m not new to the game but very new to the competitive scene, I know you need a ticket to participate in the tournament and that’s pretty much it. Some insight would be helpful

leaden belfry
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@chilly terrace I'll try and find them. It was the first twister season, so I don't know if that's still on the forum and accessable. I remember the rule mainly because my clan participated. There weren't qualifiers like we have now though, so not sure if it would matter to you

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Forum topics don't start until 2017, so the original twister isn't there, and in the 2017 one the regulations are no longer available

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So no, can't find them

upbeat iris
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I remember that we couldn’t leave then as well

wet tide
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Can I ask how the ticket system works exactly? I’m not new to the game but very new to the competitive scene, I know you need a ticket to participate in the tournament and that’s pretty much it. Some insight would be helpful
@south fern all members of clans in the top 16 get a ticket, even if you never have played a tournament

chilly hemlock
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I really hope there’s another way to seed tournaments in the future based on performance. Random seeding is just bad and lazy if anything, especially when money is on the line. Hypothetically, the top two teams could play each other first round and yes, it’s double elimination but that doesn’t justify it. Win rate seeding is also stupid due to the fact that it can be padded and it’s based on a career win rate. It certainly would be better if it was only based on your win rate in the tier of that tournament. Definitely that’s more of an indication of skill. Someone could have 50% and 1k battles at tier 8 but 75% and 10k battles in tier 3 and have a ridiculous win rate because of it. Those 10k games in tier 3 aren’t the slightest bit relevant to a tier 8 tournament. Certainly the cups would have been a more accurate way to go off of performance but that’s thrown out the window when it’s based on a clan and not individual teams. Having a second team in each clan would ruin this

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Perhaps an ELO system? Win rate in that tier only? Win rate in that tier and average damage in that tier?

velvet dome
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@chilly terrace i have 2 accounts. i am logged in to 1 account. But i cant seem to log onto the other asccount to watch the stream to get the rewards. Why is this so?

crisp shore
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I think the main problem that a lot of people overlook is that it is unreasonable to seed using one's random matches' stats to tournament seeding because random matches are very different from tournament matches

chilly hemlock
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you can’t use tournament seeding as a metric though

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You could be a 45% clan and play in the lowest bracket every time and win

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And then you’d have a 60% clan playing in the top bracket that loses first or second round every time

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Their tournament win rates would be so unbelievably misshown

velvet dome
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no, im not talking about tourneys. i mean the stream on the official portal. i can watch on the portal for 1 account but not the other

crisp shore
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If you are talking about my message, I didn't mean tournament win rate either. I am working on a system that might be better than the current seeding we have.

chilly hemlock
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@crisp shore that was directed at you, yes

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It’s hard to go off of tournament performance unless you start blank

chilly terrace
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@chilly terrace I'll try and find them. It was the first twister season, so I don't know if that's still on the forum and accessable. I remember the rule mainly because my clan participated. There weren't qualifiers like we have now though, so not sure if it would matter to you
@leaden belfry It was completely different format and this rule could be applied for them because there was only one tournament.

chilly hemlock
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If you were to give every clan 500 points and did +/- 10 points for every win or loss over the course of a few months, and had random seeding the whole time, eventually the best clans would sort themselves to the top of the list and bad teams would work their way down

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Essentially it becomes ratings within tournaments

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Once 2-3 months go by, there should be a more accurate rating for each clan off of performance with a big enough sample size and random opponents

chilly terrace
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@chilly terrace i have 2 accounts. i am logged in to 1 account. But i cant seem to log onto the other asccount to watch the stream to get the rewards. Why is this so?
@velvet dome Because that's way how cash and cookies works. Try to log onto different account in the incognito tab in your browser.

chilly hemlock
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For these tournaments you don’t even need to make brackets. Keep them random throughout a tournament but award prizing based off of number of wins in that particular night

chilly terrace
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no, im not talking about tourneys. i mean the stream on the official portal. i can watch on the portal for 1 account but not the other
@velvet dome If you are talking about watching from two different accounts in the same time, it's impossible because the stream tab should be active.

velvet dome
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i tried your incognito tip, it works

chilly terrace
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Once 2-3 months go by, there should be a more accurate rating for each clan off of performance with a big enough sample size and random opponents
@chilly hemlock

  1. It will take much more time.
  2. New clans will have no chance to get high position.
  3. Old clans will get the best position because sometime they played good.
  4. Leaving the clan mean that you lose your high seeding despite on you are good tournament player.
  5. And much more such problems...
  6. To prevent points above there should be much more team which play tournaments regularly.
chilly hemlock
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New clans have an absolute chance based off activity. Yes they would have to grind and prove themselves but that’s a natural thing for new clans. Old clans would only be high if the system wasn’t dynamic like idk ratings? Where you just spam battles and eventually you go up

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Leaving the clan means inheriting that new clans stats for better or worse and then proving how good it becomes with an updated roster

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It doesn’t need to be +/- 10. Obviously a dynamic system is far better but this goes beyond me. It’s obvious by this chat that win rate seeding and random seeing within a cash prize tournament, is a rather poor idea when we play an ascent season for weeks. There should and needs to be a clan ranking system

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It’s been needed for years

candid steeple
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Ok

hasty dagger
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Where will I find how many teams participate summer season ascent tournaments?

muted ore
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Where will I find how many teams participate summer season ascent tournaments?
@hasty dagger Hello there! You can see information about the tournaments already played on the portal (Previous > More) or in the game client. https://eu.wotblitz.com/en/tournaments/#/completed

torpid atlas
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Hello everyone. I don’t know if this has been discussed before, but I was watching the tournament streams yesterday and saw that. It’s not a secret that obj. 252 is a broken tank.

The presence of premium tanks in tournaments has been discussed before? I don’t think it’s a fair match, since you have to put real money to make difference in battle. In other words - pay to win.

crisp shore
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Will I announce decuple 252Us across the board on stream 👀 (Asia showed us nonuple 252Us)

hasty dagger
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@muted ore
Yes I found that page, but there is only final stage’s teams. I would like to know, that how many teams took part this Summer season tournament total. Hall of Fame shows only 32 teams, but there was much more of teams overall.

muted ore
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@hasty dagger On this page, select the "Previous" tournaments section.
Scroll down and click "More" a few times.
You will see the Summer Season Ascent Tournaments.

chilly hemlock
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@torpid atlas tier 8 has been p2w for years. Now it’s just undeniably obvious and for all to see

gentle sierra
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Noooo wdym , clearly premium tanks have no advantages over their tech tree counterparts !!! Thats why you see so many is3s ... Oh wait

chilly hemlock
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I was just about to say that about the is3s😂😂😂

chilly terrace
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New clans have an absolute chance based off activity. Yes they would have to grind and prove themselves but that’s a natural thing for new clans. Old clans would only be high if the system wasn’t dynamic like idk ratings? Where you just spam battles and eventually you go up
@chilly hemlock
I described you why you shouldn't wait such changes. You don't consider this system deep enough. Such system will be nice only for these clans that will get top the first.
P.S. I won't discuss this point anymore. We did enough research to understand that this way is not for Blitz tournaments. At least for now.

chilly hemlock
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So don’t discuss it anymore. But you have 3 servers upset over how you seed teams

torpid atlas
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@chilly hemlock now its happening in tier 10. That’s why I’m worried about.

Tier 10 premiums are becoming more and more common including tournaments. It’s just not fair, especially the price they come in the store.

latent olive
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just my pennies worth, yes the T8 tours have shown that a level playing field is not achievable unless every single team has the resources to field plenty of prem tanks such as 252U, but on the flip side I have seen teams counter them successfully, however those teams tend to be the top teams and skill and experience really kicks in there. Thing is having a distinct advantage due to meta is not a level playing field in the main aspect, namely tank selection. Yes you can argue that no tour is a level playing field because some may not have all crew skills unlocked etc, but at least in tank selection limiting the amount of Prem tanks per team would redress the imbalance somewhat. I just streamed the Asian Finals and watching a team roll out in every game in 5 252U's doesnt make for entertainment I am afraid and a lot of the stream comments allude to this. If the teams were limited to 2 prem tanks per team then maybe that would be a good thing?

chilly hemlock
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Thankfully wg usually balances the tier 10 premiums unlike tier 8

gentle sierra
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Tier 10 is nowhere close as p2w as tier8 , despite the t22 i don't think there is anything else thats better than the tech tree version , and even that has been secretly nerfed

chilly hemlock
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They can talk all they want about every tank having “unique characteristics” but it’s just a cover up. They know almost all tech tree tanks in tier 8 are irrelevant to comp

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T32 and Fv 301s

chilly terrace
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So don’t discuss it anymore. But you have 3 servers upset over how you seed teams
@chilly hemlock
And you have missed several times when I said that we are considering changes in it.

chilly hemlock
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Maybe a vk 100, tiger 2 and caern

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@chilly terrace and we’ve had this system for years

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All I was doing was making a suggestion

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In part because after this week, there’s nothing big till twister

torpid atlas
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@chilly hemlock until they break one tank. T-22 and chieftain are really good tanks (t22 is OP) that are not available for everyone.

It’s better to prevent it now than trying to fix it in the future when we see a tier 10 tank repeated 6 times in a single team.

@chilly terrace I’m not talking about balance. I’m talking about fairness in tournaments. Bringing expensive premium tanks isn’t fair - especially when they are broke, that it’s happening in tier 8 and probably will happen in the future in tier 10.

latent olive
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I do get that WG may want to attract more interest in CW, hence the T8 because anyone can get a T8 prem and if the concern is that limiting prems would then prevent many from taking part, why not limit the prems to tech tree prems, that are available to all players. At least that would kind of create an equal footing meta wise

the only prem that makes an appearance regularly in TX is T22. Dont know if Super Conq will yet, possibly not

chilly terrace
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@chilly terrace and we’ve had this system for years
@chilly hemlock
And this system has been working good enough for this years. Don't forget that it works well, but definitely can be improved.

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@chilly hemlock until they break one tank. T-22 and chieftain are really good tanks (t22 is OP) that are not available for everyone.

It’s better to prevent it now than trying to fix it in the future when we see a tier 10 tank repeated 6 times in a single team
@torpid atlas #tank-balance-discussion, please

gentle sierra
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Mk6 is very situational and is barely ever used in comp

chilly hemlock
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@chilly terrace I think the system is a good platform to start with to find something better. What happened on EU isn’t acceptable to me and definitely not to them. Every World Cup there’s a “group of death” and sure that’s sometimes unavoidable, it can be limited

steel shell
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@chilly hemlock I mean.. happens how you wrote
But it can be prevented with 1 change of rules and thats only 1 team per clan, then clans can collect cups and based of this you can easily pick 8, or 16, 32 etc teams which should participate in tournaments
But there is no way, that you let teams collect cups for 1 month and then you seed them randomly 😂

chilly hemlock
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I don’t understand the sudden idea to allow each clan to have 2 teams

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Cups over 8 tournaments is actually a solid way to determine seeding

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And that was entirely thrown out the window at the first chance

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It’s even worse btw

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Seeded random for top 8

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Not just top 32

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Each clan should have gotten one team

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Top 16 off of cups

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Or make it top 32 clans. Idc

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Either way the ball was dropped several times very hard

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I can’t for the life of me understand why top 8 was randomly seeded

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On na we had server crashes during the group stage so we didn’t have finals winners but there were still cups and even wr that could have been considered

steel shell
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Yep...
Or they can just let for example top4 directly in, or like in spring or Twister before, you let 2 teams to pick cups, but to the main tourney you can go with one team.. if they wanted more teams to participate, they could just take top8 based of cups and let the rest to fight..and make main tourney for 16 teams

This tourney was completely joke
They could just create tourney for 256 teams like last year that t6 money banger and let it be played for few days.. it would save time for some clans at least

chilly hemlock
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Honestly that would have been awesome

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Top 8 off cups 9-24 play off for the remaining 8 spots

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When 16 teams are automatically in and only 4 can create a second team to be entered, we have to find a better way

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It would be one thing if it were just a normal tournament but when $6300 is on the line...

chilly terrace
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I don’t understand the sudden idea to allow each clan to have 2 teams
@chilly hemlock
It's a bit surprising to see such argument from member of this clan that criticized us the most when we started to use the rule "one clan - one team".

chilly hemlock
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It doesn’t make any sense when only one team with the highest cups per tournament is counted lol

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Team 1 does all of the work and builds an actual ranking for 8 tournaments

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And team 2 gets a free ride

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Then you throw away the hard work through those 8 tournaments

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So yeah. I’ll point out how that seems stupid

pale finch
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Anyways. System = bad. We played 10 ascents to claim our spot as first on EU to play one game and get knocked out in the final stage because for some reason 10 ascents isn’t enough to play and win I think 7-8? I mean why did not rank 1 play rank 16? It makes absolutely no sense, our team played without the leader for the first time since I was unavailable and one game has us knocked out after FINISHING FIRST in the ascents. —————— Also, I agree with you @chilly hemlock 2 teams is a bad system and if not every clan can provide 2 teams then it also flawed.

chilly hemlock
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If you counted cups from both teams in ascent, then that’s different

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But only the highest cup number is counted for the clan so there’s a disconnect

steel shell
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Anyways. System = bad. We played 10 ascents to claim our spot as first on EU to play one game and get knocked out in the final stage because for some reason 10 ascents isn’t enough to play and win I think 7-8? I mean why did not rank 1 play rank 16? It makes absolutely no sense, our team played without the leader for the first time since I was unavailable and one game has us knocked out after FINISHING FIRST in the ascents. —————— Also, I agree with you @chilly hemlock 2 teams is a bad system and if not every clan can provide 2 teams then it also flawed.
Exactly

chilly hemlock
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When it comes to cups, the teams gain their rankings off of that. It’s weird to switch it from team based cups to clan based cups mid way through the tournament season

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That’s why I’m confused

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On top of the fact that most clans don’t field two teams so it’s not even a full 32

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What I would rather see is that teams lock in at the start of a season with 12 available spots due to scheduling issues, and then the cups are awarded to each team. Not the clan. The team can’t be edited after the season starts. Then teams get ranked off of cups and you can have multiple teams per clan @chilly terrace everyone wins

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Under the current system, team 2 doesn’t even have to be any good to play. I don’t think that’s fair to the clan that finished 17th

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I think having teams be ranked and seeded off of cups would be the best way forward in the future. Cups are awarded off of performance in tournaments and not based off any other metric

wet tide
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What I would rather see is that teams lock in at the start of a season with 12 available spots due to scheduling issues, and then the cups are awarded to each team. Not the clan. The team can’t be edited after the season starts. Then teams get ranked off of cups and you can have multiple teams per clan @chilly terrace everyone wins
@chilly hemlock that’d be a solid solution

proud holly
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Summer Off Season’s allowing mixed controls and it’s tier X? LETSGOOO

silver vapor
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imagine playing pc

burnt glacier
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Only bots playing on PC this game

shadow goblet
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I as m hear now 🤷‍♂️

crisp shore
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Can you forgive me for playing this game on PC? 😦

glass thunder
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@chilly terrace sorry for tag
I did want to ask if we will have off season tournament this month ? Like the 2 we had before spring?

gentle sierra
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Its off season tourney who cares if pc is allowed

crisp shore
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Let's admit we all play better on PC 😛

burnt glacier
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If u have Ipad it doesn't have any difference I think

pastel tartan
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i dont agree on that, there are many touch players who outclass pc but wouldnt be better when switching over

civic glacier
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Pc > phone, but iPad superior to all

burnt ingot
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iPad ftw

vital obsidian
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Good thing with this tier 8 summer tour is, it showed this format suck 👍 still hope for better next time

thorn shale
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T8 is stupid, worst decision ever, premiums dominate, it’s all about who has a bigger wallet it seems

steel shell
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It doesn't seem, it's a fact 😄

vague obsidian
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I thinks it’s been about 4 to 5 tanks played 252🤢 fv301 t32 t34 It’s great 4 out of 7 tanks are 252s very balanced

steel shell
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T54e2

elder heart
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Just wanted to say. Some of ppl are having problems with joining randoms (including me)
Hope it’s not gonna affect tourney

leaden belfry
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@elder heart I know about Asa and Trapmelon - is anyone else having the same issue?

elder heart
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Me, I cannot join the queue.

leaden belfry
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but you're not getting stuck in the queue?

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and nothing is working to get them out

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Restarting the devices and/or trying another device doesn't help either

shadow goblet
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So we’re do i sighn on for tornament

nova wolf
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Any reason for no regular tournaments tonight?

silver vapor
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Any reason for no regular tournaments tonight?
@nova wolf there's a big tournament today literally no?

shadow goblet
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Idk I got an invite just woundering what happens nxt now that I am hear

nova wolf
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@silver vapor I guess so, there were regular tournaments on Wednesday so I thought we'd have more today as well

thorn shale
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Hello

narrow meteor
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Idk why people are saying this format sucks, I think this is an amazing format it’s just the way teams were seeded into groups was terrible. You shouldn’t grind ascents just for it to not matter towards seeding

thorn shale
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I agree. Format to find top 16 is good. Even top 8 but that gets a little close. I think the grouping after the ascents is not created well. It should be based on standings instead of wr. Because one team can have a bad wr yet be very well skilled.

narrow meteor
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If WG does a top 16 and doesn’t add any other teams next time there should just be 4 group stages

cerulean lava
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Ääää

elder heart
burnt glacier
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Nice EG-

cedar hatch
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GG EG-

leaden belfry
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Congrats, EG!!
Dem games were epic tonight. Really enjoyed all of them. So also a big thank you to Ra1d and Elem for their fantastic games ❤️

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@primal musk should be solved now, I've heard. Is it working again for you too?

latent olive
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Yes, Congrats EG, well played! WP ELEM & RA1D was fantastic to watch all you and truly entertaining stuff

ember turret
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Very nice.

tropic lotus
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How is the money given to the teams? Like do we tell the team captain our paypal and they tell y’all? Sorry if it’s a stupid question I just don’t really know

harsh ember
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They send it by carrier pigeon

lusty flint
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@tropic lotus they will email u
@hard glacier for spring season they sent an email asking for your paypal and u just had to reply with your paypal email

red vapor
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lel stupid question @tropic lotus

hard glacier
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You get mail by wg, get your mates PayPal emails, complete excel file, send to wg and then wait

thorn shale
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@harsh ember blory

tropic lotus
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I see, thanks

analog osprey
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GG RA1D and EG. Thx for the support too

crisp shore
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Congratulations to EG- as well for winning the Summer Season. There are some amazing games shown here across the board and great pincer moves here and there!

latent olive
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Been an absolute pleasure to stream both EU & Asia tours over the last 3 days - it has been great having a front row seat to all those games I was lucky enough to stream, which as included some of the best known clans. Congrats to EG (EU) and ID (Asia), but also a big well done to ELEM, RA1D, GV and FEAST for giving us some top class entertainment, even in Tier 8!

obsidian vine
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@tropic lotus first time for everything, you’ll learn

near anvil
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Didn’t he make top8 with str8?

thorn shale
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Top 8 doesn’t get money. It was top 4

crisp shore
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You get $333 for finishing 5-6 and $200 for finishing 7-8, unless it's server-specific.

obsidian vine
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That’s for summer season not for twister or spring season

south fern
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Twister has a way higher payout

red aspen
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👀

red vapor
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ggs -gp-

carmine solstice
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Does anyone know what days of the week the next professional tourney will be played on? As in, the one that will replace twister cup? Or, what days it’s likely to be played on using previous tourneys? Usually Thursday, Saturday right?

sinful crest
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Let’s go ggs gp

tropic lotus
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ggs gp

autumn quarry
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Lol

carmine solstice
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Does anyone know what days of the week the next professional tourney will be played on? As in, the one that will replace twister cup? Or, what days it’s likely to be played on using previous tourneys? Usually Thursday, Saturday right?
@carmine solstice

obsidian vine
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@crystal wharf why

torpid atlas
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14 tanks.
12 of them are premium.
10 of them are Obj.252U

Here I come again to say that is not fair to accept premium tanks in tournaments. Fix it before it ruins tier 10 too. Am I the only one who thinks that?

proud holly
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Well the Tier X premiums are a lot more balanced.

  • People use e5's over chieftains,
  • 5a, VK 90 aren't even really worth looking at.
  • Badger's a Badger
    -The only premium tank that's a little overcooked is the T22 but that's only if you struggle aiming at the front plates.

In other news, GG to the participating clans. It was fun to watch

sinful crest
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@chilly terrace how will the money be distributed like what app Venmo or PayPal? Also thank you for the experience.

thorn shale
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Yep gg to assassin and pramo’s team. Gg wp. Close one on canyon. They did a nice bait on you guys. And the Middleburg ones were close

torpid atlas
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@proud holly until it comes a tank to break it. Don’t forget that tier 10s are way more expensive to get

tropic lotus
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@sinful crest I heard they’ll email you by the email attached to ur wg acct, and you reply with your paypal account email

chilly hemlock
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@tropic lotus @sinful crest they email the team captain, and you guys give them your PayPal info

proud holly
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I see.
Pretty sure I just explained why it's unlikely as of now.
I dont think the Super Conq's game breaking tho. Maybe an e5 replacement but that's about it

sinful crest
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@tropic lotus @sinful crest they email the team captain, and you guys give them your PayPal info
@chilly hemlock thanks 🙏🏽

chilly hemlock
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@proud holly they don’t want tier x over run by premiums

jaunty wagon
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Great games @chilly hemlock and @sinful crest

narrow meteor
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Ggs

tropic lotus
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Ggs

rough fossil
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Salam

copper ore
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PRAMO, congrats 💪🥳

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GMA, respect! I’m impressed 🖤

sinful crest
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GMA, respect! I’m impressed 🖤
@copper ore thank you means so much !!!! ❤️

quaint gorge
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Ggs all!

thorn shale
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@sinful crest gg gma

sinful crest
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thank you !! @thorn shale

vivid citrus
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http://forum.wotblitz.com/index.php?/topic/108305-summer-season-championship-2020/ scroll down to the bottom for more details on money distribution 👍 @sinful crest

heavy oar
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gg gma and pramo, it was really entertaining your last match

sinful crest
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Thanks bro, just read and fully understood !

pale finch
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@sinful crest I think you need a Paypal as that’s the only payment they’ve always done for these tournaments, you can use the account of a parent, sibling or whatever

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No worries, congrats to you @sinful crest. @chilly hemlock @toxic lintel congrats btw guys, nice dub. I wonder how we would’ve placed if I was able to play the final stage lol

chilly hemlock
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Thanks man

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@sinful crest always PayPal

fading kiln
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tier 10 match is gonna be 14 Maus

wet tide
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tier 10 match is gonna be 14 Maus
@fading kiln 14 is4s would be a vit more realistic lol

sinful crest
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@chilly terrace i apologize for the amount of pings you’ve received from me today, idk how to approach the question , we have a player who’s 16 years old and doesn’t have a credit card. He’s worked very hard including the rest of our team and I want him to get rewarded for his hard work. His parents aren’t willing to let him use their PayPal info. I hope their can be an alternative that we can find and reward my player for his time participated .

next spear
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Huh

ember turret
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What in the world, sue the parents

hallow mulch
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@sinful crest have one of your clan mates log into his account? Venmo also could work

sinful crest
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Yes lol it’s just I need an alternative to get him the reward

crisp shore
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The dreaded decuple 252Us are here

leaden belfry
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@sinful crest you could have his part transfered to you, and then transfer it to him by bank transfer?

sinful crest
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@sinful crest you could have his part transfered to you, and then transfer it to him by bank transfer?
@leaden belfry im hoping this is the way it’ll work , maybe I link my PayPal to both his act and mine and just get him a gift card so it doesn’t break the EULA guidelines

leaden belfry
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The regulations clearly state they will all be transferred by PayPal, so I don't think wg will go for another option. They also state that the team captain basically decides who gets stuff and where they get it - so I don't think there'd be any issue with you using your PayPal for both yours and his, especially when your intentions are clear like this =)

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Gift cards would solve it, yeah. Just sad his parents won't cooperate so he could spend it on something else. But that's their choice, I guess

sinful crest
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Yeah , I appreciate all my team members, I want all of them to get equal pay so 144 for each player. I hope the PayPal thingy won’t be an issue

slim blade
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Winning all rounds in a QT gives about 200-300 coins per player. This means you’d have to play about 25 tournaments and win most rounds to stand any chance to get the Jumbo. I presume other tournaments have more coins? How many coins do Off Season and The Championship contain? They are not visible currently.

pastel tartan
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it says it for the final tour,only off season is unknown

thick coyote
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we have to win final tour for coins? brah

jaunty wagon
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I got a question, can we leave our clan from the final stage (top8) to join a clan for the mastery event and not lose any prizing ?

slim blade
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I wouldn’t risk it

analog osprey
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Try u will see

wet tide
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Try u will see
@analog osprey lmao

thorn shale
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Im getting destroyed sombody want give me some tips for my kv 4? -_-

candid pike
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How long does the Wargaming require me to send the PayPal accounts of all my team members to them ?@leaden belfry

leaden belfry
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That's a question for @chilly terrace

chilly hemlock
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@chilly terrace when will you change the banners in the garage?

azure snow
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Im join please

thorn shale
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And how long till we get the credits from our group stage for the championship tournament @prime maple bruh it is so long just for credits

prime maple
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@sinful crest ggs gma

@thorn shale this*, should be soon
Lmao yup

gentle sierra
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People are never happy smh smh

analog osprey
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@gentle sierra that’s why this chat is funny

gentle sierra
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😄

sinful crest
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@prime maple ggs bro

thorn shale
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.

tropic lotus
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@sinful crest nice ping

toxic lintel
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thanks bro @pale finch and gg's @sinful crest

atomic tartan
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...For those of you who are first time cash prize winners, this is how it usually works:

  1. Check the email you used for Wargaming ID. Rexy would’ve sent everyone on the team an email containing an Excel spreadsheet. For most of you I would suggest copy pasting it to Google Drive, then sharing that one link to everyone on your team, who can then put their paypals on that Google Spreadsheet and finally updating sharing with Rexy.

  2. After everyone finishes putting their paypal emails in and its submitted by replying to Rexy’s email with one link, you’ll each get a separate confirmation email for the paypal address. Individually confirm it is correct and all of you will be paid in a few days.

*It is possible (but not recommended) to have everything sent to the captain’s paypal then have them individual redistribute. It means if you dont have paypal, or for example if your parents dont allow it, you can have your share sent to someone else on your team and they will pay you back through another method, but PayPal is literally the easiest way of doing it and something like a bank transfer, unless you have experience doing it yourself only sounds easy presented as a possibility.

tropic lotus
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@atomic tartan tyy (:

sinful crest
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Thank you 🙏🏽 @atomic tartan

prime maple
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@sinful crest nice ping hehe😅

sinful crest
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LMAO my bad😂 just noticed

molten laurel
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☹️

vital obsidian
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wdym one hour earlier? they start 20 cest @gloomy dragon

compact comet
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I need a active tournament clan

thorn shale
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@hallow mulch wazooper noob

hallow mulch
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@compact comet blitzstars link

compact comet
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Ok hold up

hallow mulch
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@compact comet I would Work on bumping your stats up to 55% before you start looking for a competent tournament clan. With 55% you can get into I’d say ok tier 8 tournament clans like the cruel clan family for example. 60% is the minimum for like mediocre tier 10 teams (top clans are closer to 65-70%). Keep in mind this wr is for tier 10.

proud holly
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Personally, if we’re going by stats, 55% is mediocre to decent. 60% is solid, and anything above 65% is top tier.
Whoever’s above 70% likely professional

compact comet
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How do I bump my stats up i bounce between .45 and .46 and you lose your WR faster than gaining. I used to have a 56% WR but that’s before I grinded for the is4

hallow mulch
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I would have to watch u play to see specifics but either your too aggressive and yolo and die first, you can’t aim and bounce too many shots, or you don’t know how to play your tank (hull down, side scraping, baiting shots, etc), or you don’t know spots to play for each map @compact comet

upbeat iris
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WR is easily farmed, looking at avg damage is far better

compact comet
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Yea I try to get top gun or even mastery in all of my matches

late igloo
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WR is better damage can also be farmed

glad sphinx
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Yeah dmg is easily farmed, it's the wr sometimes u just get unlucky w teams

lusty flint
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U gotta look at WR and damage

shrewd iron
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Gotta look at platoon % tho if you lookin at winrate 😂

prime maple
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A combined high wr and high damage in high tiers means that the person or whoever in that account knows what to do. Wr is easily farmed in low tiers.

oak scroll
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Join my tournament team ! TIER 5-6 Team : BlackRider
Quick Tournament #1 V-IV 8/2/2020 Sunday

glad sphinx
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yeah most of my battles on 30 day r in tier 10, hate low tiers, but my stats on e100 and is7 got kinda bad when i let my bro play on my acc, yeah that was my mistake lol

dull marten
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Hi whats up and what is this chat purpose-built for?

livid galleon
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Anything tournament related

proud holly
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I would probably be more tournament viable if I actually knew how to play my tanks when I was younger.
But hey, that’s what improvement is for. I just wish my Tier X tanks didn’t look so “meh” performance wise

near anvil
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If you’re really trying to get into a top clan, they don’t really care too much abt your lifetime stats, they mostly care abt recents

Edit b/c slowmode: look at my man Emilamyan, one of the deps for mm. Man’s got like 57% career, but 3500 avg dmg recent stats

pale finch
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If you’re really trying to get into a top clan, they don’t really care too much abt your lifetime stats, they mostly care abt recents
This ^ Your all time stats are rarely relevant, your recent tier 10 stats / win rate / average dmg and wn8 is what people actually looks at

flat goblet
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Looking at wn8?

pale finch
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General clan requirements include WN8, if you look at the top 16 across all servers I’m sure a majority has that written in their requirements

obsidian vine
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WN8 is important too, because it shows more then just damage, it’s and overall percentage of your kills, spots and everything. Damage and winrate is cool, but u gotta look and kills spots and survival too, to get a better picture. And WN8 kinda just summarizes all other stats and that’s why it’s important. Damage and winrate isn’t everything when looking at stats. Don’t always overlook WN8

vital obsidian
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This I find useful, especially if no reroll, it shows something good happens in skills

analog osprey
burnt glacier
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@vital obsidian avg dmg instead of WN8. If u play HT/TD, WN8 will be not so big even with normal dmg

hollow bolt
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Heavies and TDs inflate your average damage but WN8 incorporates different playstyles so it's more accurate

vital obsidian
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anyways stats dont tell much how good u play cw

left portal
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True to an extent but there’s definitely some correlation. Usually if you can’t get decent pub stats you aren’t that much help in tourneys.

crisp shore
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As for whoever is wondering about the start time of the tournament for the Summer Off-season, in the UK the game's time is set at GMT, which is one hour behind the current time in the UK (BST). This has happened for quite some time. Hence, don't rely on the time check but on the time remaining. I look at that metric to see when the deadline is and when the tournament starts. As usual, the tournament will start at 19:00 BST, as opposed to 18:00 stipulated in the game.

winter light
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When we will get the rewards for summer season?

wet tide
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When we will get the rewards for summer season?
@winter light would be distributed 7 days after the phase ended

thorn shale
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What is wn8?

olive narwhal
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Winrate? I think @thorn shale

thorn shale
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I have a question as to how many coins will be available in the grand tournament. And how many teams will be able to play?

left portal
surreal hinge
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^

tender shell
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@thorn shale Google "World of tanks Blitz WN8". You will surely find some guide on how is it calculated

surreal hinge
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Im sure this isnt allowed here but ill go ahead and explain.
WN8 is your performance (winrate, damage ratio, k/d ratio) in a tank when its compared to the average of that tank.
WN7 is the performance of that tank to the average of that tier.
Usually WN8 is looked at more than WN7

flat goblet
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Simply looking at those metrics (damage, WR, spot rate, etc.) is sufficient. Is a 3000 WN8 player necessarily better than a 2900? By how much? Is the difference truly substantial?
Usually, the answer is unclear. That’s why imo WN8 really isn’t that useful. Just look at the statistics per tank, should give you a much better idea.

fathom flame
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Not many 3000 players anymore. Haven’t seen many good players on. Except for fat, who I played against and won

obsidian vine
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Lol, there’s a lot more higher dmg players now then like 6 months ago @fathom flame. Partially do to the meta though...

Edit @fathom flame well here’s the thing, 70% does not = a good player, u gotta look more in-depth, and when u do u will see a larger amount of better players. “Not many 3000 players anymore” I’d argue the exact opposite if anything their is more bc of the current world pandemic

fathom flame
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I guess what I’m trying to say is. Where are the 70% players. I hardly seen any anymore. If I see a player from a top clan I usually win, hardly see the real pramo guys and such like back in the day.

pale finch
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The servers are more stacked than ever with good players as well as comp teams there are way more teams competing for top 8-16

obsidian vine
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^^ Literally like all severs, I’m not sure about Asia but I can definitely vouch for NA, and from what I heard on EU and RU. believe it or not, servers have grown comp wise, which is good. The game isn’t “dying”, at least in the tournaments side of the game.

pale finch
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Yeah, NA has from what ive understood 4 teams competing at a good level now while in 2018 there was just PRAMO dominating, EU comp has also grown and there are more and better mid tier teams now, RU has grown a bit as well but Asia idk, kinda ded server

obsidian vine
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Agreed

civic glacier
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@obsidian vine the main problem with wn8 is that it takes initial spots into it which is pretty dumb. If it measured everything without initial spots, then it would be less monky than it already is

glad sphinx
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Wn8 measures kills more than it does ur dmg, u can do like 2k dmg and have like 4 3 kills and still get super uni for that game

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🧐

thorn shale
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Ye just don’t go by wn8 always. Look tier for tier and look at the main 5 things.

fathom flame
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When I mean 70% players I’m not talking about players with less then 15k. 70% players with 20k+ games and 2k + avg dmg. There aren’t that many that used anymore. Or at least any j consider more then good. Avg player for me is 56%

proud holly
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49% is technically the average

thorn shale
thorn shale
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Does anyone want to do tier 6 tournaments, I’m in need of coins?

rose cave
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Well kills are either very important or not so important depending on the tanks alpha and rof. A 183 getting 5 kills and 2k dmg is more skillful than a 140 getting 5 kills and 2k dmg.

Edit: just realized it’s not the best example but oh well lol

red vapor
thorn shale
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Woops, thx

atomic tartan
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@fathom flame because the focus isn’t on being a pub stomper anymore. BaCk In ThE dAy, you need clan commanders with flashy 70%s and 2k+ overalls to dazzle people into joining clans. Nowadays you dont look at how good a clan is by that anymore, you look at how they perform against other good players/clans

If you want to know whether a player is good or not, simply look at what team they play for. It doesnt get any simpler than that

silver vapor
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Asia ded for real

oak veldt
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indeed

mystic osprey
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GMA 😩

chilly terrace
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How is the money given to the teams? Like do we tell the team captain our paypal and they tell y’all? Sorry if it’s a stupid question I just don’t really know
@tropic lotus
Hello!
Your captain will receive instructions on his email soon.

thorn shale
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Stop ghost pinging

chilly terrace
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@chilly terrace when will you change the banners in the garage?
@chilly hemlock There won't be any banners for Summer Season in the garage.

gentle sierra
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He is talking about the professionals tournament im pretty sure @chilly terrace

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winter swallow
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I wonder how WG feels about an RTS title, going open beta in August for a month, having a prize pool on par with Twister 2019?

Yes. The prize pool for Iron Harvest, during its Beta month - is equal to Blitz's main annual event after 3-4 years 😆

upbeat iris
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How many played in the open beta though?

winter swallow
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@upbeat iris - it is running this month.

upbeat iris
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Oof lost track of time, blame corona, keep thinking we are further in August..

wet tide
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I wonder how WG feels about an RTS title, going open beta in August for a month, having a prize pool on par with Twister 2019?

Yes. The prize pool for Iron Harvest, during its Beta month - is equal to Blitz's main annual event after 3-4 years 😆
@winter swallow since blitz be a bit older they probs want to gain a new playerbase for whatever that game is, high prize pool might help with that
If they make the blitz comp prize pools higher they wont get that much new players playing the game trying to get it I think (since there’s already dominant clans etc)

chilly hemlock
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@chilly terrace and there never were spring season banners either. Why even bother to have them in the garage?

chilly terrace
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@chilly terrace and there never were spring season banners either. Why even bother to have them in the garage?
@chilly hemlock
Because we use them when it's possible.

chilly hemlock
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You said it was possible for July which was two months after spring season. They’ve also been around for years and now they’re not possible?

tropic lotus
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@tropic lotus
Hello!
Your captain will receive instructions on his email soon.
@chilly terrace Thank you 🙏

proud holly
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oh dear

winter swallow
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Welcome, to the majority of the Blitz player base.

prime maple
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already registered?

fast hareBOT
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chilly hemlock
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@tame bolt can only leave a team if the captain dismisses the team

glass thunder
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Players in 2021 : i had lags in tournament
Blitz modes : mute 2 days

chilly hemlock
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@glass thunder imagine thinking you could say the f word and we wouldn’t mute you

analog osprey
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Ok

thorn shale
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Hello. Sorry for the weird question but @chilly terrace where can I find the leaderboard of the clans that where below top 16 on twister 2019 EU server?

chilly terrace
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Hello. Sorry for the weird question but @chilly terrace where can I find the leaderboard of the clans that where below top 16 on twister 2019 EU server?
@thorn shale
Hello!
I don't think that it's possible. We don't save such information on our side.

thorn shale
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K thanks

crisp shore
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Or you can reconstruct the entire leaderboard exhaustingly

gentle sierra
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Tru dat

outer olive
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Hi! Tournament battles count towards the event?

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@lime glen ||Sorry for ping||

glacial lantern
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I doubt it

proud holly
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Likely not

tame musk
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probably yes they do, but i dont know the real answer

thorn shale
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Watch them end up counting and they will have to be fixed

chilly terrace
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Hello there!
Summer Season Championship prize fund will be paid out a bit later (roughly next week) due the tournament regulations violations check.

gentle sierra
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Violations👀

elder heart
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Yes. I’d like to report violations. Every clan who has used 252u should be disqualified since the possession of such a machine gave them ineffable advantage. Thusly , the only one true winner on EU (which is EG) should get all the money 😋.

turbid sinew
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Ah yes +1 @elder heart

pale finch
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yes.

analog osprey
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Rip emulators

hard glacier
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Of course agree with Romka. 252u unfair tank and almost every team spammed it

crisp shore
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👀 Decuple 252Us 👀

bronze rampart
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Meh

rotund jewel
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The thing is that 252Us are the best option to play at tier 8.
But teams that didn't have it had to learnt how to counter it: VK 100s, caernarvons, FV301, Wz 120, T32, pantera, etc.

is it unfair? yeah it is, but shouldn't be a problem at a comp level, as far as i could see.

vague obsidian
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It’s like an is4 and how do u kill is4s

crude cipher
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Yo anyone wanna do a tourny with me i will be using a teir 8 tank so just say the word and lets win it

wicked snow
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Hello there!
Summer Season Championship prize fund will be paid out a bit later (roughly next week) due the tournament regulations violations check.
@chilly terrace does that concern only the monetary prize or the rewards in general?

chilly terrace
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@chilly terrace does that concern only the monetary prize or the rewards in general?
@wicked snow
Rewards in general.

bronze rampart
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@chilly terrace if a team loses it’s prize will it get redistributed?

chilly terrace
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@chilly terrace if a team loses it’s prize will it get redistributed?
@bronze rampart
There is no reason to discuss such things while noone lost their prizes. Generally, no, we don't redistribute prize fund.

wicked snow
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Alright thank you @chilly terrace

flat goblet
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It’s like an is4 and how do u kill is4s
True, plus everyone can just research 252U, not a problem.

bronze rampart
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True, plus everyone can just research 252U, not a problem.
@flat goblet it’s a joke?

crisp shore
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Buff tier 8 medium penetration

fathom ingot
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🤣

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crisp shore
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Poor Comet

elder heart
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It’s like an is4 and how do u kill is4s
@vague obsidian yes. Imagine one clan had 3-4 is4 and others don’t

vague obsidian
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What’s the best way to beat is4s Sheridan what’s the best way to beat a Sheridan meds what’s the best way to beat meds tds. What’s the best way to beat a Td a light. What’s the best way to beat a light a heavy so ITS BALALCED SEE

gentle sierra
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The best way to beat is4 is another is4

steady nexus
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Sad E5 noises

sinful crest
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The best way to beat is4 is another is4
@gentle sierra is4s with cali shells is the counter to an is4

chilly hemlock
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@vague obsidian so we shoot missiles in tier 8 is your suggestion?

vague obsidian
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Yes

atomic tartan
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i agree we need a second 152 for the T49 so Fatness can meme again

gentle sierra
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@sinful crest well clearly

narrow meteor
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@vague obsidian this is why we don’t give you opinions

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pallid raven
silver vapor
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yet they don't acknowledge here

crisp shore
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Plot twist: Obj 252U will be released in crates in the next few days

shrewd iron
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Bunch of sooks, go get one if its that OP.

tropic lotus
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@chilly terrace If a player that was on a team that made top 8 in summer season championships left after the tournament ended but before they received their in game and monetary prizes, do they lose out on them?

thorn shale
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@silver vapor gg was nice to have one up against you guys lmao

Could’ve won 2-0 but well played to u guys too

silver vapor
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ggs was trying to bring up another team and teach them stuff :> was good stuff

chilly terrace
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@chilly terrace If a player that was on a team that made top 8 in summer season championships left after the tournament ended but before they received their in game and monetary prizes, do they lose out on them?
@tropic lotus
After Summer Season Championship all players are allowed to leave their clans. It doesn't influence paying out the prizes.

tropic lotus
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Ok, thanks 😄

sturdy whale
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Hi

minor siren
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I remember a while back there were tournaments at 5:00 pm or so what happend to those?

candid pike
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Thanks wg🤗

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bold elm
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AAP Crew is looking for more players for 5/6 tourney

runic atlas
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Hello tankies

thorn shale
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@minor siren those were the Skirmish Tours, they were held an hour earlier than standard time, it was special for them, it wont be available until skirmish comes back assuming WG still uses skirmish tours when skirmish comes back

jagged nova
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@fast hare for what

visual willow
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Wargaming needs marketing strategy for blitz

steady nexus
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@visual willow wrong channel for that lol

pallid raven
exotic mist
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I really wish Blitz introduces round -robin format for tournaments. Yes, it’ll take longer, but at least you won’t feel like you’re getting completely demolished every 2nd and 3rd round.

rotund jewel
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@exotic mist Some tournaments had this format.
If i'm not wrong top 8 of twister last year was round robin

exotic mist
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@rotund jewel i was talkin about for seasonal tournies lol

rotund jewel
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oh

surreal hinge
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spring season im pretty sure was round robin
at least for the top 8

fathom tiger
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Top8 is like always a round robin if not mistaken it has been a double round robin for like once as well

pale finch
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It used to be double round robin but now it’s single round robin

muted ore
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@chilly terrace will different stuff be available for the coins in the future? And if so, instead of spending them now, can we save them up for something better, or will they disappear at the end of off season?
@pallid raven Hello there! The coins will stay and you can spend them on other items in the future.

pallid raven
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🤞for a tier 9/10 tank

thorn shale
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Eh

pallid raven
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eh

steady nexus
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For like 100k coins yes

narrow meteor
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I do like the round robin format but I wish it was double the games like last twister season

tropic lotus
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^

torpid atlas
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Hey guys, I know this channel is about the actual tournaments, but something came up in my mind from a long time ago, I was really hoping that someone could help me remember it.

It was a tournament in the blitz forum which had a special site and was based in the board game WAR. Anyone of you guys remember that? I was hoping to find those rules and results

crisp shore
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Tbf it will sound more reasonable if we have a longer round robin, but a shorter qualifying round

obsidian vine
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Yes I missed playing each team in the top 8 stage twice, it was a lot better then how it is now

zenith ridge
narrow meteor
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I would also like to say I don’t really like the Bo9 series for the finals. Bo7 finals are usually closer and more intense

surreal hinge
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bo9 was too long for viewers watching, i assume it was boring for the players as well

fringe galleon
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There could be small break between games in halfway? Thats how many esports works because its nice to have longer finals.

fathom tiger
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CS finals lol

silver vapor
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Yeah a break would definitely make it more reasonable

thorn shale
winter light
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When we will get the rewards for summer season?..

crisp shore
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There must be something interesting that is taking them quite some time to investigate any rule violation I think

fathom tiger
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Which rule can we say they violated to notgive em any rewards

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crisp shore
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Account sharing and use of emulators I believe -- may take quite some time to investigate I reckon (and maybe they need some legal advice as well, which probably explains why it is taking so long)

chilly hemlock
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@narrow meteor agreed. Bo9 just drag on and on

thorn shale
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I quite like Bo9 tbh. It makes for scenarios where teams are hard to be counted out if they drop a few matches

narrow meteor
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@thorn shale yeah that’s probably the only thing good about it because I love playing a lot of matches but I don’t think there was a single game 8 or 9 for last spring. Most esports use Bo7 for a reason, makes series more interesting

crisp shore
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However, most of the matches last for around 4-5 minutes, so come to think about it Bo9 do not take too much time, compared to some games that could take more than 1 hour in competitive setting. I do agree however, a break might be good to the players so as not to tire them out too quickly.

And with the gameplays we see in the competitive scene, even in tier 8 to be brutally honest, the teams have been delivering loads of exciting stuff, so Bo9 doesn't feel like a drag-on to me as a streamer

hardy prairie
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PNCR vs RGN lower finals was a game 8 match. I think Bo9s are fine where they are. After all, they were left for the 3 finals matches of the season

desert oar
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I am looking for people to make a team in order to participate in the competition this afternoon of the class 5 and 6 tanks if some of you already have a team or want to join me contact me as soon as possible.

silver vapor
desert oar
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ok sry

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shadow nebula
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Hi, I am mr_swaron, Deputy Leader of [BD_] Bangladesh Clan in your Asia server. Before jumping to the topic, let me add, we are trying to keep our clan active and create a strong bonding between us. With that motive, we, the clan leader and deputy leaders are trying to arrange a small tournament to celebrate our 5 years unity of this clan nd giving $60 as prize money. We have decided to give around 9USD each of ther champion players and $5 for each of the runner up players. We also giving man of the tournament reward. But in this budget it is hard to give them worthy rewards as the offers in the store are limited. If you could sponsor our event and offer us some great deal for the winners like giving Tier 8 premium tank at $9 to the winners(each) or something equivalent, that would be very appreciable for us and we would be encouraged to organized further more events. We are eagerly waiting for your response, thanks in advance.

shadow nebula
thorn shale
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All the rewards will most likely be delayed furthermore because of internet issues going on in the whole city of Minsk.

proud holly
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<@&481447501690568709> cleanup

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topaz fjord
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I hate that the turnements stsrt at 6:00 its not fun

crisp shore
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Unfortunately the Earth is round and spins, so it's hard to find the best time to cater all time zones.

thorn shale
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What you talking about? Earth is flat

surreal hinge
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dont tell me the earth is round

tranquil seal
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Lies

red vapor
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uh so I’m in gma but i have moonmen tournaments showing up 🤔

near anvil
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It’s a sign

tropic lotus
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^

charred plaza
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Are we ever going to have fair quick tournaments? I’m tired of going against teams with 6 Arl 44 or something like that

silver vapor
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go tier 8 and you can have another level of "fairness"

red vapor
rocky crystal
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Will you guys add more things like new tanks etc into the shop that costs Tourney Coins? And also what happen if you dont use the coin, will there be compensation?

thorn shale
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I can’t wait till more news on this seasons championship is revealed

proud holly
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go tier 10hahaha

@prime maple you haven't checked the news about Belarus havent' you

prime maple
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Yall giving the ingame rewards from summer season or nah??

red vapor
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^ yes i cant wait to get my generous 1 million credits

neon aurora
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I want to1million credits

proud holly
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if you win all 4 tours in tier X twice in a row, you get over a million credits

silver vapor
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Will you guys add more things like new tanks etc into the shop that costs Tourney Coins? And also what happen if you dont use the coin, will there be compensation?
@rocky crystal

prime maple
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@red vapor yes, I want my 1 million credits

craggy plank
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yes, i want a active clan

pseudo merlin
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yes, I need a good team.

robust comet
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I wish they could fix servers for tournaments...tanks literally teleport
This only happens during the tournaments not during randoms or ratings

crisp shore
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Well teleporting tanks is the new meta

south fern
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New tank mechanic confirmed?

crisp shore
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Yes, guess you can't hide behind cover anymore... (well you can't actually already)

red vapor
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gg

thorn shale
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@opal ferry don't ping spam

thorn shale
red vapor
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@chilly terrace Any specific date on when my clanmates and I will be recieving the money from the summer season championship?

opal ferry
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👍

fair minnow
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Do you need a full team to tourney?

quartz wyvern
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well u can play with 5

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rapid shadow
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Hello im new to this chat, how much have i been missing?

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Also, ive played World of Tanks for a while, so i could tell you a thing or two if you dont know or understand something

prime maple
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I want my one million credits🥺

hollow abyss
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Some one need more 2 player to play the tiver V - VI tournament?

red vapor
sinful crest
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floral kettle
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when can i earn tournaments coin till?

civic glacier
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@prime maple Lol somebody deleted our messages

crisp shore
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I think the rewards cannot be accrued very soon due to the ongoing unrest in Belarus. I do wish all the best to whatever is happening there.

pastel tartan
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can u pm me whats up, it kinds went past me @crisp shore

chilly terrace
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I suppose that we'll give out all prizes next week.

cedar current
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Hello

hollow bolt
fathom tiger
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Left the clan after joing the team?

wraith vine
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Hi. Looking for tournament team, tier 10. Pm

proud holly
wraith vine
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Thank you

crisp shore
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Could be that this player just joined recently, hence the system hasn't updated the info yet

hoary crest
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;-;

twin perch
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  • scrolls up * UNDERTALE FAN
proud holly
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.

proud holly
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I wonder if 3 groups was really needed. Alot of empty spaces in the brackets

cedar current
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Ye

thorn shale
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There is a limit to how many teams per group. All the brackets have to be almost the same. Which means they just make the groups smaller and make more

crisp shore
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Well the bracketing is systematically assigned. A full group is obtained with 32 teams there. Hence, you will have 3 groups for 65 teams (and 2 groups for 64 teams), as it will knock the schedule off-guard if you squeeze it to 2 groups. I like this assignment personally.

red vapor
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Nobody cares, stop posting it in every channel

proud holly
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This is really stupid to post

thorn shale
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@junior relic gg

junior relic
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Hell yeah

fathom tiger
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now it seems you're saying it to wildoneshelper

crisp shore
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Sad reacts only

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proud holly
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So why are the normal tourneys on Tuesday and Thursday and the QTs on M,W,F.
I feel that having normals on Friday would be more convenient

twin thistle
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Im searching for a tournament team, please invite me, my nickname in the game is Tonalis20

proud holly
hallow mulch
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@proud holly the summer tournaments for the useless coin things arnt “normal” lol it’s part of the event

fathom tiger
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What makes ya think discord name and ign are the same

hybrid pagoda
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Irony
@proud holly wow I have to carry hard with 2700 WN8 to stay somewhat in touch of 56% winrate and he gets carried to 55.67

thorn shale
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Do we need to be connected in vocal for playing tournaments ?

crisp shore
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You don't need to, but it is preferred so that the team can communicate more effectively on coordinating rushes, defensive formation and focus fire

hollow bolt
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Afaik pretty much every team is in voice even if it's just one leader and the rest muted and it definitely helps a huge amount

upbeat iris
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Unless you have good chemistry and are fighting weaker clans, I’d always use voice. Can’t win most fights without proper communication and shotcalling etc.

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fossil lance
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most of the lower lvl tourny voice chats ive been in are just people shouting PUSH lol

crisp shore
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rUsH B

low sorrel
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but if you weren't in voice you wouldnt know to push lol

fathom tiger
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Could have just used quick commands for that
Attack!
Going B!

left portal
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Lol

crisp shore
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Help!

thorn shale
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When do you guys think more info on this summer off season championship will be released?

red vapor
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probably next week

vital obsidian
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what more info needed on the offseason tour? More interesting, when do we get info on season tour?

hollow bolt
pale finch
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Ok thanks @thorn shale

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fathom tiger
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Thanked you for carrying a game?

grave totem
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I'm looking for a tournament team, if i can join pls dm me

hollow bolt
pallid raven
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@lime glen not a tournament related question, but can u make #game-status-upd a discord announcement channel?

proud holly
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no.

no

low sorrel
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but why not lol

thorn shale
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Who's is hungry?

silver vapor
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not a tournament related question, but can u make #game-status-upd a discord announcement channel?
@pallid raven they'll need to make this place a community server first which I think will take time because wargaming

livid galleon
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I'm not sure WG know very much about discord tbh
I have a feeling that most of it is setup by the mods

leaden belfry
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it's not. But they disagree with some of discords policies, from what I've understood, which is why this place still isn't verified

silver vapor
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it's not. But they disagree with some of discords policies, from what I've understood, which is why this place still isn't verified
@leaden belfry enabling community option on server is pretty easy, only a few buttons on Discord (what I meant was wargaming's efficiency to do stuff 😂)

leaden belfry
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ahh so that's something else. I thought you meant the server had to be verified for that 😂

silver vapor
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ahh so that's something else. I thought you meant the server had to be verified for that 😂
@leaden belfry yeah I instantly made my other server community when the option was available (which enables the announcement channel features)

thorn shale
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@chilly terrace even with the issues going around, is the prize for the championship going to still come this week? Also, I was wondering if more info on the off season championship will be revealed by the next week.

chilly terrace
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@thorn shale In-game prize will be given out this week.
We announced all necessary information about off-season championship. Regulations of this tournament will be posted as soon as it appears in the game client.

glass thunder
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@chilly terrace is this offseason championship a replacement for twister? Or we will have other big tournament after ?

red vapor
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Big tournament after probably

chilly terrace
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@chilly terrace is this offseason championship a replacement for twister? Or we will have other big tournament after ?
@glass thunder
It's off-season tournament. Generally, off-season doesn't contain any major tournament.

glass thunder
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Cool i hope you share more informations about off-season and autumn tournaments early
Cause it help a lot better than share i formations few days before the tournament
Or like tier 8 finals was 2 days before the big tournament

silver vapor
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proper teams would've started preparing for the major seasons like Autumn and Spring months advance

glass thunder
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Yes and having no informations is not that good i did expect autumn tournament to start after 10 days and because wg sahre nothing with us( not even dates ) i was surpriseed by the off-season tournament

silver vapor
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🥄

thorn shale
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They legit shared it in the news tab....

proud holly
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pfpfpfpfpfpfp

glass thunder
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They did ? Oh were cause i don’t see any information about it

low sorrel
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try reading the one about the autumn tourney?

glass thunder
low sorrel
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the new format of autumn season 2020 has the summer season detail?

glass thunder
low sorrel
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welp then i guess you have a valid point but most people have been preparing for awhile

thorn shale
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@glass thunder it is in the wot blitz game. There is a news with off season. If you go to the bottom of that news you will see the championship info a bit. It isn’t major so they don’t need to make a big post about it.

glass thunder
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we were too but i tough its a autumn not useless off season tournament
it's like wg don't care when teams prepare and try to manage time but will be autumn tournament to replace twister and we don't share date cause its top secret information
or like tier 8 finals who care about teams play ascent for 21 days just announce it 1day and half before the start date and rush it
@thorn shale show me screen pls
only information i did read was from today post

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well they did announce it but not in tournament related feed
and its 3 days tournament
not that season they did talk about in update

waxen light
jaunty talon
burnt glacier
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XD 9 dislikes thank u

cedar hatch
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lol nice dislikes

random swift
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3 rooms, everyone on another
3:3:1

tired prawn
livid gyro
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bruh

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gimme tourneys

stark hawk
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This tournament bug not only affected SOULS ASP and ARGO, it affects all who participated in the tournament as well because technically the tournament is still ongoing because group 3 have not finished their games. No one gets coins nor credits so an evening of playing wasted until this is fixed

chilly terrace
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Hello there!
All teams participated in Summer off-season #5 August 2020 on EU server have received their rewards. [S0ULS] ZYVE BELARUS and [-ASP-] SERIOUSGUYS will receive prizes for the first place.
Sorry for any inconvenience!

burnt glacier
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@chilly terrace Is 1020834 of credits prize for first place?Cause in official list of prizes this reward for 4th place

chilly terrace
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@chilly terrace Is 1020834 of credits prize for first place?Cause in official list of prizes this reward for 4th place
@burnt glacier
Prizes for both teams mentioned above are divided into two parts. You have already receive the first, the second will be given out tonight.

burnt glacier
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@chilly terrace ah,okey.But what about 9 dislikes that our both teams got already for this tournament

atomic bone
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@chilly terrace hi, I’m already got rewards for 4th place, I got credits and coins, so it’s will be fixed?

chilly terrace
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@chilly terrace hi, I’m already got rewards for 4th place, I got credits and coins, so it’s will be fixed?
@atomic bone
I answered it 2 messages before.

atomic bone
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Okay

chilly terrace
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@chilly terrace ah,okey.But what about 9 dislikes that our both teams got already for this tournament
@burnt glacier Dislikes won't be counted for restrictions but they won't be withdrawn from your account.

burnt glacier
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Ahaha,interesting decision. I hope this useless system of punishment will finally removed from game in future updates. Cause I completely don't understand what is point and power of this system.

hollow bolt
languid jasper
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ohhh thank u

wet tide
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Ahaha,interesting decision. I hope this useless system of punishment will finally removed from game in future updates. Cause I completely don't understand what is point and power of this system.
@burnt glacier agreed, there’s too many salty kids that just report you for killing them/not doing what they want. I once got a ‘verified report’ of being inactive in battles, whilst I play every game I start. Never have any game crashes or whatever, its not possible I was afk and for sure not in multiple games to make it ‘verified’. Just remove the thumbs up system and let people report each other through tickets, which actually are fair cuz a human looks at it. Not some robot who looks at reports from salty kids.

wet tide
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@burnt glacier agreed, there’s too many salty kids that just report you for killing them/not doing what they want. I once got a ‘verified report’ of being inactive in battles, whilst I play every game I start. Never have any game crashes or whatever, its not possible I was afk and for sure not in multiple games to make it ‘verified’. Just remove the thumbs up system and let people report each other through tickets, which actually are fair cuz a human looks at it. Not some robot who looks at reports from salty kids.
@wet tide even tho this aint the most tour related what is WG’s view on this @chilly terrace ? (Sorry for the ping, its just a really annoying system)

chilly terrace
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Hello there!
We are ready to share main qualifying tournament dates in upcoming autumn season. These are:

1st, 2nd, 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th, 12th, 13th, 15th, 16th, 19th, 20th, 22nd, 23rd, 26th, 27th of September and 5th, 7th, 9th, 11th of October.

gentle sierra
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A month and a half of qualifiers?

pale finch
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Are you serious? Wtf...

night oriole
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Op

last stratus
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@gentle sierra hiya

thorn shale
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Wtf is this...

civic glacier
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@pale finch Are you playing both servers at once lol?

silver vapor
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Tier 6 for Autumn Season?

pastel tartan
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u just got the dates and are already complaining, gg

fathom tiger
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Only 20 days out of over 40 whats so bad in that

glass thunder
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good system i like it

chilly terrace
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Tier 6 for Autumn Season?
@silver vapor Tier 10

silver vapor
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@silver vapor Tier 10
@chilly terrace 😂 yeah I was joking but thanks for the information

chilly terrace
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@chilly terrace 😂 yeah I was joking but thanks for the information
@silver vapor
I answered just in case. =)

night oriole
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@chilly terrace this tournament gonna be like summer season no difference between top16 and top8? I mean autumn season

chilly terrace
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@chilly terrace this tournament gonna be like summer season no difference between top16 and top8? I mean autumn season
@night oriole All details will be shared in announce.

crisp shore
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That's a lot, A LOT of dates there. Not sure if teams have enough stamina to grind through the dates 😦 (and the teams have to make sure there are enough players for all of these dates)

thorn shale
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^ plus teams also have to train between tournament days :)

civic glacier
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@pastel tartan that sums up the chat tbh

glass thunder
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we will have 7 days break btw qualifiers

candid cobalt
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i search team play tournament

golden mauve
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At what time would the tournaments start? 20 cest again for eu?

glass thunder
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imagine 20 ascent
to take top 16
then do wr system

golden mauve
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What is wr system exactly?
This is my first season after a copple years so

chilly terrace
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Hello there!
The results of checking players for violating the rules during the Summer Season are ready. You can find them here:

EU:
http://forum.wotblitz.eu/index.php?/topic/53899-summer-season-championship-2020/page__pid__819328#entry819328

NA:
http://forum.wotblitz.com/index.php?/topic/109579-summer-season-championship-2020/page__pid__1715818#entry1715818

ASIA:
http://forum.wotblitz.asia/index.php?/topic/20682-summer-season-championship-2020/page__pid__233640#entry233640

We want to keep our tournaments fair and hope that we won't find any violations in upcoming seasons.

All in-game prizes will be giveт out tomorrow.

silver vapor
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@chilly terrace what ban are account are applied? Competitive ban or Account ban?

dim pivot
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^^

chilly terrace
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@chilly terrace what ban are account are applied? Competitive ban or Account ban?
@silver vapor Account ban.

thorn shale
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@chilly terrace is there a way to get unbanned. Some people would like to apologize 👀

wet tide
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@chilly terrace is there a way to get unbanned. Some people would like to apologize 👀
@thorn shale tbh one shouldn’t be unbanned for violating prize money tournament rules, good job WG

chilly terrace
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@chilly terrace is there a way to get unbanned. Some people would like to apologize 👀
@thorn shale
Each situation is considered individually. I recommend to write ticket to the support.

thick elk
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One of our guys got banned and has no idea why

chilly terrace
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One of our guys got banned and has no idea why
@thick elk
As I said before he can write ticket to the support and receive information about his ban.

pale finch
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Good job WG, I like that rules are finally enforced.

pastel tartan
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so that means other players dont know what they got banned for? i think it would be nice for the ppl that have played against them to know too, even tho it could be considered naming and shaming it would by far decrease the people attempting to do it again

wet tide
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Yup, as the joker said, you get what you ****** deserve

so that means other players dont know what they got banned for? i think it would be nice for the ppl that have played against them to know too, even tho it could be considered naming and shaming it would by far decrease the people attempting to do it again
@pastel tartan couldn’t agree more

chilly terrace
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so that means other players dont know what they got banned for? i think it would be nice for the ppl that have played against them to know too, even tho it could be considered naming and shaming it would by far decrease the people attempting to do it again
@pastel tartan If they want, they'll share why they got banned.

radiant kelp
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Some people in my clan got banned wtf

thorn shale
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A lot of people on NA got banned

eager aurora
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Big F for those peeps, nice one wg

frigid aurora
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probs got what they deserved 🙃

analog osprey
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Why big F ? Xdd well done + there are more players who deserved

leaden belfry
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Damn, wg swinging the hammer 😬 feel for the people, with all they'll have invested into their accounts, but at the same time, really glad wg is taking action. Hopefully this'll lead to much more fairly played tournaments in the future.

real pendant
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Why big F ? Xdd well done + there are more players who deserved
@analog osprey yea, one of ur teammates is there XD

analog osprey
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@real pendant got banned out of the ascent he isn’t a cw player

glass thunder
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well its always go to do this kind of bans wg had to do it before
because of you don't ban some rest will do same

leaden belfry
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They didn't say it's because of account sharing though. It can be a number of reasons, but support will tell them which exactly applies to them if they submit a ticket

silver vapor
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They didn't say it's because of account sharing though. It can be a number of reasons, but support will tell them which exactly applies to them if they submit a ticket
^^ exactly Wargaming said it was Game Rule violations, not specifically account sharing

split cosmos
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Wow wow wow

crisp shore
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Is it a permanent account ban?

leaden belfry
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Unless support relents and shows mercy, I'd guess they're permanent. It doesn't specifically state perma, but usually if wg applies bans like this for a certain period, they'd mention the period

thorn shale
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@glass thunder not really apropos

verbal tendon
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The hell

scarlet fossil
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^^

thorn shale
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What happend

rapid shard
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Some tournament players got banned bcs they did bad things

glass thunder
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@glass thunder not really apropos
@thorn shale 👍

thorn shale
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Bye bye those who spent thousands of $s on their account I guess

gentle sierra
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If they cant read the rules y not

thorn shale
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its funny how they ignored this for a lot of the past major tour series and now they just pop out and slap people with bans then go back

While I'm not saying that it's bad they're enforced their ToS, I'm just pointing out that this sure took a lot of time...

dim pivot
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Its happened before

amber pelican
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Daym wuts going on

verbal tendon
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Wg took the knife.

silver vapor
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its funny how they ignored this for a lot of the past major tour series and now they just pop out and slap people with bans then go back

While I'm not saying that it's bad they're enforced their ToS, I'm just pointing out that this sure took a lot of time...
@thorn shale the good thing is that they've finally done it, so we should be glad. next up is making tournament scene tech tree only :3

glass thunder
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not because they didn't apply it before they shouldn't do it now

thorn shale
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ngl i support that tech tree only thing, but i do understand WG trying to make other tiers relevant, just need to remove prems from them, tier 10 with the exception of say the t22 (idk there might be some i missed) most of those premiums have tech tree counterparts that do just as well or better so tier 10 is fine but if you want to remove prems sure y not, and i do like diverse gameplay so having tiers like 9 or 8 (stripping the premiums) would be pretty interesting, oh well. @silver vapor

@glass thunder i dont mean that they shouldnt do it now, I'm just saying it took a while, the end.

fathom tiger
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Nice amount of accounts banned

pastel tartan
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its funny how they ignored this for a lot of the past major tour series and now they just pop out and slap people with bans then go back

While I'm not saying that it's bad they're enforced their ToS, I'm just pointing out that this sure took a lot of time...
@thorn shale better now than never

thorn shale
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Nice they won't do anything about GVs rigging bull crap that they do constantly be it tournaments or ratings, but they will give some random ass bans

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20/40 days of qualifiers will result in top teams having to waste time instead of training vs decent teams in training rooms -> overall the skill level is gonna decrease.

dim pivot
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GV isnt getting their prizes from the tier 8 tournament btw @thorn shale if that helps
But yea them rigging in randoms and ratings has never been punished for some reason

fathom tiger
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I see there were 2 clans that got disqualified STEEB and GV

No bad sides in these bans, pls more like these in the future

leaden belfry
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@dim pivot that'd only happen if people submit tickets with the replays to point it out

split cosmos
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Y4kuza need a ban 👌👌👌

low badger
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Not gonna lie I'm upset with quals but the bans are hot

glad glacier
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What does account sharing even gain a team. It’s usually only done as the final resort, if people can’t show up. It’s not the first thing people think of. Teams like having a consistent roster, and adding randoms at the last second benefits no one. If anything sharing accounts is a negative and shouldn’t be punished. But what am I to say

silver vapor
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What does account sharing even gain a team. It’s usually only done as the final resort, if people can’t show up. It’s not the first thing people think of. Teams like having a consistent roster, and adding randoms at the last second benefits no one. If anything sharing accounts is a negative and shouldn’t be punished. But what am I to say
@glad glacier acc with 252u vs acc that don't. simple

dim pivot
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@leaden belfry its been done, there have been videos on YouTube posted as well i think
I posted some tickets as well with replays, they just say "appropriate actions have been taken"

fast hareBOT
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dynoSuccess MemeGod#9423 has been warned.

leaden belfry
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@glad glacier if you have have 10 players in a team, but you have 12 players that can easily play on your team, if you're against X clan on Y map, you can exchange some, so to speak, if they account share, and have the strongest teams where you need them. Or several players unable to make it one night, and someone else using one of their accounts, etc

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@dim pivot generally that means a 2 weeks ban. Stupid thing is that generally wg doesn't see the one doing all the damage as a rigger, as he's not the one blocking or pushing etc

thorn shale
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The bans should not be permanent imo. People made a mistake and should get a second chance to correct it.

leaden belfry
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They can appeal their bans and see if Wg is willing to be lenient

quartz wyvern
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I've heard about some people I know who've been banned for sharing, more specifically for gifting due to outside competitions like in discord servers, but considering that blitz is one of the only WG games that don't even have a gift shop while others do, I don't see why it's a bannable offense here where there's no other option to gift.

Yea, I'm not qualified to talk about the tournament side of account sharing but I still think that some parts of it are slightly unreasonable ex. moving and switching from pc to mobile many years ago is on the table for becoming banned then. There must be a few players in the list who had this happen to them. @leaden belfry

leaden belfry
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Depending on what they've done, they might be let off with a temp ban instead of a perma one

glad glacier
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So wargaming is forcing people to buy 252s now just to keep up with the meta that we were forced into, even though no one asked for it. Wack if you ask me. @leaden belfry yes if players can’t make it that’s the only time people account share. Literally a last resort, I’m sorry I’d want 7 people on a team to battle 7. You act like it hasn’t happened in the past and has been something going on in comp since the start

leaden belfry
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@quartz wyvern I think the issue would be not buying someone a gift, but more people on other people's accounts during tournaments. These bans are tournament related, somehow

thorn shale
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@Amaunet85 everyone on the AS server knows about their clan and the their members who rig, what is the use of a 2 week ban, if they are upto the same thing over and over, there has been many videos and replays sent personally from me and also I've seen them posted on YouTube, for exp, where one person can go from 4800 to 5600 in 1-2 sessions of ratings battles.

leaden belfry
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@glad glacier please edit the cussing out. I don't want to have to delete that

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Thank you =)

cedar parrot
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Just out of curiosity, might not be the right place to ask. Did RU get hit as well?@leaden belfry

Ah, okay. I guess I will have to talk with someone there.
Also do something about 5 min delay! Reeee

leaden belfry
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I haven't checked yet. Can't find the tournament channel on the RU discord server because I can't speak Russian 😂

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@glad glacier I'm not disagreeing with you there >.> we know it's been happening, teams have had tournament bans before

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But this is the first time wg has gone a lot further than that

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@cedar parrot spoiler function is a no no

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@thorn shale I agree. I wish wg would punish rigging a lot harder. Yesterday I got send a replay with at the very least 6 people rigging, from known clans. Utterly disgusted. I'm hoping wg will take proper action - it was submitted to support by the guy that reported it to me

azure pecan
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I have no Idea of why they got banned for, but i really hope each of them are able to get back thier accs by contacting the support
Perma ban without a warning before is just too violent, when u spent +1k € in it

I dont get why didnt they used a temp ban additionnaly to all deprived prizes

civic glacier
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@glad glacier EG won without spamming 252u’s so I don’t know what ur on about. And the only relevant comp meta is tier 10 obviously

silver vapor
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I have no Idea of why they got banned for, but i really hope each of them are able to get back thier accs by contacting the support
Perma ban without a warning before is just too violent, when u spent +1k € in it

I dont get why didnt they used a temp ban additionnaly to all deprived prizes
@azure pecan amount of $ spent shouldn't be a reason why chances should be given. If you violated game rules, you should've seen this ban hammer coming from lightyears

burnt glacier
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glad glacier
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D3rp, you act like I hadn’t already said no one cares about tier 8 @civic glacier And you saw how far a terrible MM team made it spamming 252s

wet tide
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I have no Idea of why they got banned for, but i really hope each of them are able to get back thier accs by contacting the support
Perma ban without a warning before is just too violent, when u spent +1k € in it

I dont get why didnt they used a temp ban additionnaly to all deprived prizes
@azure pecan violating tour rules.... like the joker said, You get what you ***deserve. WG shouldn’t be soft for such kinda kids 😄

leaden belfry
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@burnt glacier link pls!

thorn shale
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Yes pls link

leaden belfry
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@wet tide edit that pls, language 😅

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Guys, I get the sentiment, but please mind your language. I don't want to have to delete your messages

cedar parrot
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What da hell..... CIS= RU right?

Also, @silver vapor. Others might be reasonable, but there's one guy in that list who doesn't deserve the ban.

leaden belfry
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Holy poop that's a lot of players

thorn shale
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@cedar parrot yes RU = CIS

leaden belfry
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12 on EU
23 on NA
16 on ASIA
61 on RU

azure pecan
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@silver vapor @wet tide yeah of course the amount spent should not give u a rule advantage. I wrongly explained myself

Wether u spent 1k or u spent 4years grinding an acc, there shouldnt be any reason that makes the instant perma ban possible (except acc selling and stuff like)
Imo there should be at least one (long) temp ban before u totally lose everything
Banning an acc 30days or 180days from comp scene isnt soft and is better as a first and last warning

quartz wyvern
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if it is comp related I think banning them from the next season is already a harsh enough punishment but a perma sounds a bit too much

eager aurora
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I dont see why there should be any reason wg being soft if their aim for mobile esports

leaden belfry
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That happening to EZ last year obviously didn't make much of an impression if this is the result now, over a tournament that wasn't even "big" like Spring and Twister, @azure pecan

thorn shale
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Lol WG stray away from normal Tier X season tournaments and encourage tier 8 p2w and then ban half of them

dim pivot
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It also happened to ICT last year, they straight up got removed from top 4 and the #5 team went into top 4

glad glacier
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Lol when Asia has more bans and has a tenth of the players. What did every comp player pass accounts?

leaden belfry
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@thorn shale makes sense though, doesn't it?

pale finch
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Asia doesn’t have the most, check the Russian server lol

silver vapor
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What da hell..... CIS= RU right?

Also, @silver vapor. Others might be reasonable, but there's one guy in that list who doesn't deserve the ban.
@cedar parrot who am I to say whether he deserves or not. Wargaming have carried out their own investigation about the player, and then they gave the ban. What do you think they literally been doing for these 2 weeks not giving out the prizes? they've already said they've been working on checking player violation. So if anyone is mistakenly banned, go send a ticket. Wargaming will not tell you why you got banned on a discord server since it's part of their job to ensure only the ones banned know why they're banned.

@silver vapor @wet tide yeah of course the amount spent should not give u a rule advantage. I wrongly explained myself

Wether u spent 1k or u spent 4years grinding an acc, there shouldnt be any reason that makes the instant perma ban possible (except acc selling and stuff like)
Imo there should be at least one (long) temp ban before u totally lose everything
Banning an acc 30days or 180days from comp scene isnt soft and is better as a first and last warning
@azure pecan

I'm split inside with regards to whether chances should be given or not. Being a professional player is like being a police in real life, the rules should be enforced more strictly and the punishment should be harsher. Either way I'm only glad about the actions being taken, not sure about the actual punishment.

leaden belfry
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This way, they can avoid banning tons of top CW clans straight of, and give them a giant warning right before the next big tier X tournament series

burnt glacier
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On CIS will be more new teams I guess😂

leaden belfry
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So this'll discourage people from breaking the rules in the future more than anything else

thorn shale
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Imagine waking up to just find yourself banned

thick elk
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I mean prob almost everyone will get unbanned because each account has 1 un perma ban

alpine adder
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One of the guys in Asia’s list has 15 grand + spent on his account. F

gentle sierra
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😂

odd wolf
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🐀

fathom tiger
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Could you ping cis server ban list as well?

leaden belfry
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Will do