hi
#tourneys-discussion
stuck quiver
thorn shale
Could you guys please make it so 512 teams can participate in NA t8 spring tourneys? A lot of clans are not able to register because all 128 teams get full. Thus, allowing a worse chance at being able to receive all season coin rewards. It would be greatly appreciated if you guys could make the team capacity higher just like EU for the t8 Season Coin tourneys NA.
tepid sun
Don't worry, will be fixed soon =)
Fixed now. Thank you
leaden belfry
@tropic lotus for EU you have me, R1B, 3very and Fugit. For NA you have me (at certain dates), Fishy and Droodles. For Asia you have me (in the weekend + final stages) and Fugit.
I'm still waiting for the NA schedule, once it's complete for all servers, I'll post it here too
vital obsidian
gl with streams and games!
leaden belfry
EU
ROUND 1, 7 May, 20:00 (CEST).
Amaunet85 - [VE1L] Vengeance vs [LGN] Legion coin stream
RA1DR1B - [RA1D] RA1D vs [APA] MonkeyGaming
3very_Good_Name_Is_Taken - [EG-] END GAME vs [S0ULS] Bad Touch
fugit555 - [LOCA] CuteAnimals vs [IMM0R] MadTicketGames
ROUND 2, 7 May, 21:04 (CEST).
Amaunet85 - [LOCA] CuteAnimals vs [VE1L] Vengeance coin stream
RA1DR1B - [RA1D] RA1D vs [S0ULS] Bad Touch
3very_Good_Name_Is_Taken - [EG-] END GAME vs [LGN] Legion
fugit555 - [APA] MonkeyGaming vs [IMM0R] MadTicketGames
ROUND 3, 10 May, 20:00 (CEST).
Amaunet85 - [S0ULS] Bad Touch vs [LGN] Legion
RA1DR1B - [RA1D] RA1D vs [IMM0R] MadTicketGames
3very_Good_Name_Is_Taken - [EG-] END GAME vs [LOCA] CuteAnimals
fugit555 - [APA] MonkeyGaming vs [VE1L] Vengeance coin stream
ROUND 4, 10 May, 21:04 (CEST).
Amaunet85 - [IMM0R] MadTicketGames vs [VE1L] Vengeance
RA1DR1B - [RA1D] RA1D vs [LGN] Legion
3very_Good_Name_Is_Taken - [APA] MonkeyGaming vs [EG-] END GAME
fugit555 - [S0ULS] Bad Touch vs [LOCA] CuteAnimals coin stream
ROUND 5, 14 May, 20:00 (CEST).
Amaunet85 - [LGN] Legion vs [LOCA] CuteAnimals
RA1DR1B - [RA1D] RA1D vs [VE1L] Vengeance
3very_Good_Name_Is_Taken - [IMM0R] MadTicketGames vs [EG-] END GAME coin stream
fugit555 - [S0ULS] Bad Touch vs [APA] MonkeyGaming
ROUND 6, 14 May, 21:04 (CEST).
Amaunet85 - [LGN] Legion vs [APA] MonkeyGaming
RA1DR1B - [RA1D] RA1D vs [LOCA] CuteAnimals
3very_Good_Name_Is_Taken - [VE1L] Vengeance vs [EG-] END GAME coin stream
fugit555 - [IMM0R] MadTicketGames vs [S0ULS] Bad Touch
ROUND 7, 16 May, 20:00 (CEST).
Amaunet85 - [VE1L] Vengeance vs [S0ULS] Bad Touch coin stream
RA1DR1B - [RA1D] RA1D vs [EG-] END GAME
3very_Good_Name_Is_Taken - [LGN] Legion vs [IMM0R] MadTicketGames
fugit555 - [LOCA] CuteAnimals vs [APA] MonkeyGaming
leaden belfry
EU
ROUND 1, 7 May, 20:00 (CEST).
Amaunet85 - [VE1L] Vengeance vs [LGN] Legion *...
ASIA
Round 1, 7 May, 19:00 (UTC +8) (13:00 CEST).
bradster555(Fugit) - [-RN-] Rote Nova vs [-ID-] TEAM ID coin stream
Round 2, 7 May, 20:10 (UTC +8)(13:00 CEST).
bradster555(Fugit) - [-ID-] TEAM ID vs [NUB] M_I_B coin stream
Round 3, 10 May, 19:00 (UTC +8)(13:00 CEST).
Amaunet85 - [FEAST] WallGaming vs [CALM] CALM coin stream
bradster555(Fugit) - [EA] NoPartTimeLover vs [E7] Uprising
Round 4, 10 May, 20:10 (UTC +8)(13:00 CEST).
Amaunet85 - [FEAST] WallGaming vs [E7] Uprising coin stream
bradster555(Fugit) - [-RN-] Rote Nova vs [CALM] CALM
Round 5, 14 May, 19:00 (UTC +8)(13:00 CEST).
bradster555(Fugit) - [NUB] M_I_B vs [EA] NoPartTimeLover coin stream
Round 6, 14 May, 20:10 (UTC +8)(13:00 CEST).
bradster555(Fugit) - [HLV] Hasta la vista vs [EA] NoPartTimeLover coin stream
Round 7, 16 May, 19:00 (UTC +8)(13:00 CEST).
Amaunet85 - [HLV] Hasta la vista vs [FEAST] WallGaming coin stream
bradster555(Fugit) - [E7] Uprising vs [-ID-] TEAM ID
leaden belfry
ASIA
Round 1, 7 May, 19:00 (UTC +8) (13:00 CEST).
bradster555(Fugit) - [-RN-] ...
NA:
ROUND 1, 7 May, 6:00 PM (PT) / 9:00 PM (ET)/ 3:00 am CEST
Droodles - [_STR8] AIM TRUE vs [HATED] Interstellar coin stream
Fishy - [PURPL] ICON vs [RGN] God Bless Blitz
ROUND 2, 7 May, 7:04 PM (PT) / 10:04 PM (ET)/ 3:00 am CEST
Droodles - [PNCR] Insurgence vs [V] Virtus coin stream
Fishy - [_STR8] AIM TRUE vs [PRAMO] SPEED
ROUND 3, 10 May, 6:00 PM (PT) / 9:00 PM (ET)/ 3:00 am CEST
Droodles - [PNCR] Insurgence vs [_STR8] AIM TRUE
Fishy - [-RGN-] Sunsetto Ravens vs [V] Virtus coin stream
ROUND 4, 10 May, 7:04 PM (PT) / 10:04 PM (ET)/ 3:00 am CEST
Droodles - [PURPL] ICON vs [V] Virtus
Fishy - [-RGN-] Sunsetto Ravens vs [_STR8] AIM TRUE coin stream
ROUND 5, 14 May, 6:00 PM (PT) / 9:00 PM (ET)/ 3:00 am CEST
Droodles - [HATED] Interstellar vs [PNCR] Insurgence coin stream
Fishy - [-RGN-] Sunsetto Ravens vs [RGN] God Bless Blitz
ROUND 6, 14 May, 7:04 PM (PT) / 10:04 PM (ET)/ 3:00 am CEST
Droodles - [V] Virtus vs [RGN] God Bless Blitz coin stream
Fishy - [PURPL] ICON vs [_STR8] AIM TRUE
ROUND 7, 16 May, 6:00 PM (PT) / 9:00 PM (ET)/ 3:00 am CEST
Amaunet85 - [PRAMO] SPEED vs [-RGN-] Sunsetto Ravens
Droodles - [PURPL] ICON vs [PNCR] Insurgence
Fishy - [_STR8] AIM TRUE vs [RGN] God Bless Blitz coin stream
thorn shale
Thanks amaunet
chilly terrace
Are things like this allowed? As there are phones which have the built in...
@pallid raven They are.
twin frost
Hello
jaunty timber
please someone can recruit me for the tournament at 19:00 i'll use the rhm-B WT
silver vapor
@jaunty timber #tourneys-team-search
jaunty timber
sry
thorn shale
It should be possible to combine 2 or 3 gold pro avatars and recieve diamond one
upbeat ether
guys
dim pivot
@chilly terrace theres a match right now in professionals and i m getting put in sg_p3 which gives me the worst possible ping
Asia server
Any help plz?
upbeat ether
Someone know i can have 2173 hp on IS8?
Pls Answer me i need that
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace theres a match right now in professionals and i m getting put in sg_p3 which gives me the worst possible ping
Asia server
Any help plz?
@dim pivot
We can't change cluster for anyone.
dim pivot
Nvm its fixed after restarting multiple times but i missed the first game :(
silver vapor
@chilly terrace how about providing option for players to select, like in this case many of us have stable ping P1 compared to other clusters.
upbeat ether
can you Answer me pls?guys pls
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace how about providing option for players to select, like in this case many of us have stable ping P1 compared to other clusters.
@silver vapor
We don't plan anything similar.
upbeat ether
pls guys can you Answer me??you Avoid me but i need to know pls...i would appreciate it
arctic axle
@upbeat ether not the right place to ask such a question but yes, IS8 can have 2173 hp with the improved assembly equipment
thorn shale
Viete po slovensky
turbid ridge
english please @thorn shale
tender shell
@thorn shale Na anglickom serveri by sa patrilo písať po anglicky. Ďakujem )
tropic lotus
@leaden belfry thank you for clearing up my question.
But as well, will Fishy and Droodles be spectating on STR8’s side for both times?
gentle sierra
they will be able to see both sides
silver vapor
@tropic lotus doesn't matter - spectators can see both sides, and you cannot put spectator in anyways
tropic lotus
Right
alpine adder
@chilly terrace why can’t I play the Friday coins tournament if I’m playing challengers? They don’t share a date, challengers is Sunday and coins is Friday? I should be able to play both?
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace why can’t I play the Friday coins tournament if I’m playing challengers? They don’t share a date, challengers is Sunday and coins is Friday? I should be able to play both?
@alpine adder
Because it's rule of Challengers tournament. Season coins tournaments are for players who couldn't reach top-16 position in leaderboard.
cedar parrot
Does it apply to teams in Professionals as well?@chilly terrace
chilly terrace
Does it apply to teams in Professionals as well?@chilly terrace
@cedar parrot Sure
alpine adder
@cedar parrot it does I believe.
I don’t think it makes sense really…but it is what it is.
The challengers and professionals don’t have the season coins for rewards (which in turn means can’t buy premium days). The rest of the rewards do make up for it. But with how Asia is, you take out those 16 teams…and you don’t have much left playing in tier X coins tournaments…
Still, thanks for the answer, can’t complain much, rewards are rewards xd
untold cape
any tourneys
fallow raptor
@chilly terrace For the Professional Tournaments in asia there has been way more rubberbanding/lag compared to spring ascent tournaments even thou the ping shows 40-50 for me with 1% loss it felt like the ping was over 400 felt by both my team and the enemy.
azure pecan
i dont think this is a bad thing lol
toxic bridge
just be happy xD
gentle sierra
where is my 20k credits compesnation smh
thorn shale
Yeah just enjoy it pls...
tropic lotus
Its not a bad thing, just worried it’ll get removed xD
winter light
When we will get the Challenger Avatar?
slender flare
I thought only top 4 will get camos
hardy prairie
^
Ruins the rarity if all 8 get the camo
tropic lotus
They were supposed so. But it seems that someone in WG messed up. Will the camouflages be removed or will we get to keep them?
wooden pendant
@thorn shale English only please.
Csak angolul kérlek
slender flare
@tropic lotus they already gave us, i dont think so that they will remove
leaden belfry
@chilly terrace I think someone made a boo-boo. See @tropic lotus's post ^
tropic lotus
I hope they wouldn’t be removed. As an alternative to them being removed, top clans across all servers have been pushing to release a different color variant of the camoes for the 1-4 finalists. Maybe now would be a good time to try something like that
thorn shale
They were supposed so. But it seems that someone in WG messed up. Will the camouflages be removed or will we get to keep them?
@tropic lotus they were for top 8 at the beggining. On twister 2019 they changed to top 4 only
Edit: i like your idea, giving new camos to top 4 would be epic and very good move from WG, make it happen pls
silver vapor
lolz did Wargaming actually messed up the distribution and having a bunch of nice players telling them that they messed up?
frozen schooner
Oh, WG made some more mistakes, how unlucky, how (un)surprisingly.
Meanwhile, challenger guys waiting for their avatar :
And also enjoying pretty (dis)balanced Hellas map
tropic lotus
Smh
dim pivot
Hellas is still better than new bay
not that theres no new bay in challengers
glacial valve
People tell me where to watch tournaments?
link please
proud holly
I like Hellas tbh
tender shell
@glacial valve Check the pinned messages, then search for the names on YouTube
leaden belfry
@glacial valve there's links in game, if you go to the tournament you want to see and then the streams tab. There's also a link on the portal, where, if you watch there and are logged in, you get season coins
thorn shale
People here posting they got the pro camo are the same people that tell their teacher to collect the homework which was forgotten
violet hemlock
lol. Who is streaming NA tonight?
slender flare
@violet hemlock pinned messages*
violet hemlock
Thx @slender flare
vagrant phoenix
lmao practically everyone thats gonna make top 4 will have the pro camo from previous seasons anyways
thorn shale
very true... and wg still doesnt make new camos... for those consisten players
azure pecan
@thorn shale e x a c t l y
thorn shale
Let us combine those pro avatars into some omega pro one @chilly terrace like 3 gold ones = diamond
hardy prairie
Bruh lol
thorn shale
Exchange it lel
real geode
Lel
thorn shale
It gives me some random useless avatar @thorn shale
calm atlas
@lime glen is acc sharing allowed on prof tourney? Cuz support said it is
slender flare
@thorn shale dont flex
thorn shale
I will with diamond avatar
turbid sinew
3 pro avatars into 1 diamond league avatar
tropic lotus
Haha
thorn shale
Hhhh
obsidian vine
Lol ya idk what to do with my 3 pro avatars too. time to get to 5
carmine solstice
@calm atlas sounds like a terrible idea lmao. Why would u risk it. Teams in Asia got banned for that last year
clever thicket
Where can I get a link for the tournament stream.
wintry vale
Hi all
graceful jetty
I have good and bad news. Good news WG introduced mad games tournaments. Bad news its spring professionals
tropic lotus
Ono
dim pivot
Clearly the best environment to determine the best team
silver vapor
LMAO
graceful jetty
Whats ur favourite part of that clip? Is it
A. The "hulldown" e100
B. The teleporting IS4
C. The 121 moving while being tracked
Or D. (Even tho its not in the video) my ping and loss counters telling me that everything is fine
silver vapor
@graceful jetty clearly it's your network problem or you're using hacks because we can't see your ping and you're the only one reporting this issue
calm atlas
@carmine solstice im not, but one team from top8 sent ss where support said its allowed , that's why i asked
tropic lotus
I mean either they’re throwing or what because as you see in the vid, like 5+ shots go into the ground
thorn shale
It’s ur own lag lol. You could clearly see it when the e100 goes in the ground and an is 4 is floating in air. Well idk what to tell you. Na never has this issue.
graceful jetty
Yea right its my lag lmao. Literally everyone else was saying the same stuff. So for some reason our entire team who are in at least 5 different countries all experienced this due to our own lag @thorn shale
Imagine saying things as if you know whats going on just because other people said that stuff as a joke about what WG usually says regarding these types of problems
tropic lotus
How many of both teams shots have to go into the floor for this to potentially be a server side issue
Unless they were intentionally firing at the floor, which i doubt
dim pivot
Wg : its just bad aim
graceful jetty
@thorn shale Right its my own lag xd
Btw this player is from india while im in new zealand 🤷 clearly its our isp and not the server (sarcasm)
carmine solstice
I’ll post my game with well and truely dead is4s moving. Like exactly the same way in uprising with the fake dead ability
obsidian vine
And that is why Asia is the best sever 😂 that’s hilarious
graceful jetty
@chilly terrace please check the messages above
fallow raptor
Amazing prof season start
worn bolt
Working as intended xaxaxa
carmine solstice
@graceful jetty
tropic lotus
hits a stupid missile shot on stream
says: jajaja WG balance
dim pivot
silver vapor
I'm more surprised that you guys still able to 4-0 with this lag lmao
carmine solstice
Idk how others hit anything. I think I got 1 shot in out of like 10 before I died. Took 7 hlv tanks like 2 mins to kill me tho cause everyone’s missing 90% of shots
fallow raptor
Lmao learn the art of hitting teleporting tanks
silver vapor
ono I don't have that skill I do not belong to the professionals
carmine solstice
Focus fire is for plebs. True skill is shooting tanks while they teleport
versed field
Challengers unrated af
chilly terrace
Let us combine those pro avatars into some omega pro one @chilly terrace like 3 gold ones = diamond
@thorn shale
And then when you collect 3 diamond, you will be able to exchange to one million dollars. =)
To be serious, we are not going to do this.
@lime glen is acc sharing allowed on prof tourney? Cuz support said it is
@calm atlas
There are two options:
- You got wrong an answer from support.
- The support gave wrong answer.
chilly terrace
Dear players, we decided to accrue the camouflages (Professional Blue and Professional Orange) for all the teams of Professional tournament. It has been already accrued.
chilly terrace
Dear players, we decided to accrue the camouflages (Professional Blue and Profes...
azure pecan
@chilly terrace so we will keep them for ever ?
thorn shale
@azure pecan yes you will
hallow sundial
Why? And will there be a new reward for top4?
azure pecan
Wdym why, lets be happy lol they finally understood that it was (almost) useless to give pro camos to top4 only and better top8
oak veldt
Ye and now those who made top 8 in twister 2019 but not top 4 will feel scammed lol
dim pivot
Time for top 4 to get profile background (the thing in battle pass)
azure pecan
Yeah it would have been perfect if they also gave it to twister top8 but well, this is still good that they changed thier mind and probably it will stay for the next seasons
or maybe it means that we will get New pro camos next twister
bleak crypt
@dim pivot good idea
thorn shale
I hope top 4 gets new camos or something exclusive and new, is what professional players that always made it into top 8 asked for since a lot of time
frozen schooner
WG, while FBI and RAID loopholing : "We dont change the rules and regulations of the tourney"
WG when they keked up with the camos : "We decided to change the regulations so that all top8 can get the camo"
WG:
median mason
I am curious what is the reason why WG lowered the requirements for the camos 🤔 Can you share any info with us? @chilly terrace
velvet dome
I don't understand. Does it mean the top 8 get to keep the camo? Cause of a mistake?
frozen schooner
@velvet dome yep
broken sedge
@velvet dome feel robbed?😄
frozen schooner
WG : Twister Cup 2019 qualifiers - Top4 only receives camo
WG : Pro tourney 2020 - we dont care, have your camos whoever you are
WG :
velvet dome
I feel violated
broken sedge
only that much?
I feel to smash my phone
gentle sierra
Its just 2 camos 🤷♂️
thorn shale
Dude why this drama about just 2 camos? They were always for top 8, only in twister for top 4 and it was no sense since ALL on top 4 already had them
Edit: would be great if WG now adds some new reward for top 4 so the players that keep getting top 4 all years get something new
stark crow
Ppl cried because it was only for the top4 and now ppl are crying because top8 got it
@broken sedge i dont have it
broken sedge
Coz u all hav it🤷♂️
frozen schooner
@thorn shale @gentle sierra It is about how WG change rules of the tourney they said "we wont change rules"
PS I have like three of those two, I dc but it is weird and really funny to see such occasions
thorn shale
By the look of how you are acting i think you are just envyous or whatever. Let it be, they made something ALL wanted, and probably they are going to give cool rewards for top 4 instead, theres nothing to complain about
velvet dome
How can you say we are jealous when it is clearly an unfair situation?
The top 8 this time were given the camos due to wg mistake. And wg have gone along with it and let them keep it.
gentle sierra
Man , its paint on a tank , who cares
glass thunder
Well o think it good move from wg so why some still complain about it
thorn shale
Feels like some people play only for those accessories, while being #1 is the main prize. @gentle sierra ||rekty|| and if they can get the same reward then it's not valuable anyway
Unfair? I think its totally fair, since it was always for top8. Top4 teams deserver a better reward than those camos...
Edit: @gentle sierra yeah, but still, top4 deserves better reward than same camos of every year
gentle sierra
What ventnom said basically , you will get bored of the camos in like 2 weeks anyways
@thorn shale they wont give better rewards for top 4 we both know that
velvet dome
Why can they give people in top 8 now due to a mistake when everyone was made aware it would only be the top 2? Yet for twister 2019 my team made it into top 8 but the top 4 rule was followed to the letter. What is this wishy washy stand from wg.
@Rexy Comandante can you explain the specific reason why the top 8 teams got it when it was made abundantly clear that only top 2 will get it?
thorn shale
Yeah my team made it to top 8 aswell and didnt got camos in twister 2019, and a lot of people complained back then, bcs it was always for top 8 and not top 4. Now that WG has listened to us you come here and start complaining... no sense
broken sedge
U got this time didnt u?😄
frozen schooner
I dont remember any complains when camos kept only for top 4 in pro tourney 2019. Bcoz it started when they invented pro avatars.
It is fine that you protect it, you got it by mistake and some, who dont have it, afraid to lose it somehow.
Please note, that we complain not about you getting camos (ffs lel, camo is trash anyways) but WG changing the rules when THEY want to, not when it is needed. like with FBI and RAID loopholing
median mason
So was it a mistake or wasn't? XD if it was a mistake I can see why WG is holding on removing them just yet
pure lava
yesn't
chilly terrace
How can you say we are jealous when it is clearly an unfair situation?
The top 8 this time were given the camos due to wg mistake. And wg have gone along with it and let them keep it.
@velvet dome
It wasn't mistaken. We did it on purpose.
thorn shale
I dont remember any complains when camos kept only for top 4 in pro tourney 2019. Bcoz it started when they invented pro avatars.
It is fine that you protect it, you got it by mistake and some, who dont have it, afraid to lose it somehow.
Please note, that we complain not about you getting camos (ffs lel, camo is trash anyways) but WG changing the rules when THEY want to, not when it is needed. like with FBI and RAID loopholing
@frozen schooner What are you even talking? Pro avatar came out in the spring season 2019, not twister 2019.
Edit: @chilly terrace will top 4 get new reward?
velvet dome
Then give the tank fest camo now. Or is that for finalist? Like the finalist of the professional tourney who were only supposed to get it
pure lava
so much drama over some pixels smh
pastel tartan
yea but they are rare ya know
tropic lotus
Not really, anyone who made it to top 4 9 times outta 10 already had the camo
fathom tiger
I see them in a daily basis wouldnt say they’re so rare
frozen schooner
@thorn shale Pro tourney 2019 = spring season 2019 you know?
pale finch
Yayyyy fourth time I got the same camo!!!!! Edit: Nvm, I got 50k credits instead, great compensation for 2 of the most rare camos in the game
thorn shale
Not really, anyone who made it to top 4 9 times outta 10 already had the camo
@tropic lotus to top 4 it was only once. It was always for top 8
odd wolf
WG is now most likely gonna change next year spring to Top 4
agile kite
No Sheridan at all
azure pecan
I dont get whats the problem ? Its a good thing - its not perfect at all but its a positive change overall
agile kite
Atgm cheat the game play. You can hide yourself end wait. They must change something like only one in game or only limited missiles numbers but they need to do something. Ask for a survey for all old players I will be surprise about the score really. Even when you watch pro tournament it’s no improving the show. I have it ofc but in game it’s just not fair when you have 2 sheridans with good players driving you loose for sure. Regarding any team.
fathom tiger
Nah
frozen schooner
@velvet dome
It wasn't mistaken. We did it on purpose.
@chilly terrace Without announcing that you are doing it on purpose BEFORE you give that. Hm... smells not good
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace Without announcing that you are doing it on purpose BEFORE you give that. Hm... smells not good
@frozen schooner
I guess whatever we did you would write the same. This decision has much more positive sides than negative. I don't know what's here smell bad for you, but OK, I got your point.
thorn shale
@chilly terrace Can we know if top 4 will get any other special reward?
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace Can we know if top 4 will get any other special reward?
@thorn shale
Why you did you suppose that they will?
thorn shale
@thorn shale
Why you did you suppose that they will?
@chilly terrace I think they deserve, since getting top 4 its not easy... And it wouldnt cost much giving them 1-2 new camos... And keeping those new camos for top 4 twister again. Thats what players are asking for long, since some of them already got the same camos 4-3 times...
Edit: i also think you should give more compensation for the ones that already have the camo... 50k credits its what we can get in a random game easily...
chilly terrace
@frozen schooner There was our decision about this situation. If you don't agree with this decision, it doesn't mean that it wasn't.
If you don't change tone of your messages, I will have to delete them.
@chilly terrace I think they deserve, since getting top 4 its not easy... And it wouldnt cost much giving them 1-2 new camos... And keeping those new camos for top 4 twister again. Thats what players are asking for long, since some of them already got the same camos 4-3 times...
@thorn shale
Ok, I got your point, when you said it at the start of the season, but we didn't say anything about it. And there is no point to suppose that some new camo will appear for top-4 in this season. In short, there won't be.
pale finch
I just hope there will be new camos added, it's boring to get the same ones every year with just a low amount of credits compensation
tropic lotus
^ Or at least compensate in gold for the cost of the camo of a tier 10, preferably legendary, regular??
The camo that people used to get as a prize for months of work, compensated by the equivalent of a mediocre tier 8 game in a premium
chilly terrace
@frozen schooner
We gave all comments about this situation and you could find it in this channel. So I don't see reason to discuss this again.
thorn shale
Yeah at least change the compensation... its pathetic getting 50k credits for the proffesional camo
fathom tiger
Inb4 20k
frozen schooner
inb4 0, i never got any credits compensation for that 😂
chilly terrace
^ Or at least compensate in gold for the cost of the camo of a tier 10, preferably legendary, regular??
@tropic lotus @thorn shale
No, guys. Compensation will be the same.
It's surprisingly that some players called this camo useless when we were talking about them as prize, and now we are talking about bigger compensation, because they are not so useless. Please, don't forget that there are much more rewards in Professionals tournament than two camos. These camos show that you were in Professionals tournament. There is no reason to give bigger compensation for them.
tropic lotus
U
dim pivot
What about the profile background (the one u can obtain via premium battle pass) as a reward for top 4? Since the camos were an exclusive reward to top 4 @chilly terrace
sonic flame
@chilly terrace The top 8 have already received the avatar and the camouflages. But what about the top 16? When do they get the "Challenger" avatar and the "Tankfest" camouflage ?
chilly terrace
What about the profile background (the one u can obtain via premium battle pass) as a reward for top 4? Since the camos were an exclusive reward to top 4 @chilly terrace
@dim pivot
There is final list of rewards in this season.
@chilly terrace The top 8 have already received the avatar and the camouflages. But what about the top 16? When do they get the "Challenger" avatar and the "Tankfest" camouflage ?
@sonic flame
Camo after the final stage. It's for top-4 in Challengers as it was. Avatars will be given out before Monday night.
pale finch
I still think new camos should be introduced for professional tournaments, so many players have received the same camo every time it’s been given out. Even the same pattern with different colors would be fine
chilly hemlock
@pale finch how many times have you received the same Pro avatar and camos? 6? 7?
I think this was my sixth time
Clan logos as permanent avatars would be cool for top 4
Or top 3
The community choice camos were only given out once though which is baffling to me
chilly terrace
I think this was my sixth time
@chilly hemlock
Sure, even we remembered, that avatar was given out only three times.
chilly terrace
There’s 2 pro seasons every year...
@chilly hemlock
And avatars appeared in Spring Season 2019.
chilly hemlock
The camos are still given out twice a year though correct?
chilly terrace
The camos are still given out twice a year though correct?
@chilly hemlock
Yeah, as far as I remembered the first time was in Twister season 2018.
chilly hemlock
This marks 4 times then
pale finch
Point still stands though
chilly hemlock
I don’t see why they can’t be changed every year
Even for the avatar. Keep the same design but change the colors and add the year
Say 2020 is Blue
That makes it worthwhile
thorn shale
and makes players motivate more... new rewards are better than same as always
chilly hemlock
The camos aren’t why we play
But in pubs, it’s what sets the pros apart from the rest
So they are still relevant
chilly terrace
I don’t see why they can’t be changed every year
@chilly hemlock
And we would have 7 unique camos that would be allowed only for small group of players. Camos are not coming from nothing, it's time of artist who designed it.
pale finch
Obviously it doesn’t correlate to motivation, but it’s something fun and unique. Edit: Just take the same patterns and swap the colors then
chilly hemlock
The lack of a timeline kills the meaning of the camos importance
Clans that were strong in twister 3 could be dead now
New clans form now and make top 8 who were nobodies before
Yet everyone has all of the same things
For the camos, instead of blue and orange, why not green and purple?
Obviously there will never be a red or yellow/gold skin because of the hit skins
Even black and white would look amazing
thorn shale
yeah just change the colours... doesnt take a lot of time if you compare it to do a completely new one
tropic lotus
How hard is it to just change the colors of it?
manic pewter
Not that hard
pale finch
^
versed field
Where is my challenger avatar🥺
odd wolf
@chilly terrace are u guys planning on keeping the same type of Top 8 format get the Pro Camos for next spring and other professional tournaments?
thorn shale
Hi
thorn shale
Again people mad because top 8 gets it? Why not just be happy for them, I agree the bigger issue is the same camo being handed out every year making it lose its value, just a simple color change will be enough
also regarding "Camos are not coming from nothing, it's time of artist who designed it. ~ rexy" im sure a color change wont break the bank lol, otherwise im sure the playerbase will design it for free just like u did in that one event where u gave a few tanks as a reward for this "time"
peak terrace
No need to be mad that Top 8 get the camos. They lost their value long ago. Everyone has it now.
median mason
everyone
thorn shale
Please change nickname of @thorn shale He's trying to be me and it confuses people.
And mute, cause toxiccc
mute cause kpoop fan
upper oar
hi
thorn shale
everyone
@median mason rekty
glass thunder
why all this hate to rekty
thorn shale
Nono there’s no hate, he clearly deserves it
slender flare
I dont needed to help RA1D? Sorry Migu if i hurts u with this move
median mason
🤔
thorn shale
Do you think I care about your move? Do whatever you want and Enjoy your camo and avatar lol
slender flare
@thorn shale wish u the same 😁
patent quartz
"F-B-I joke clan", just saying
thorn shale
Why not in voice bro @patent quartz come
Edit: gl bro ))
patent quartz
Ranked with a friend mate, i'll come later on
patent quartz
thanks mate ❤️ (sry in advance for off topic)
tribal vine
hoa
noble star
@chilly terrace I have to ask why Sunday for Challengers Tournament? It’s Mother’s Day this Sunday in NA and killing some teams.
pale finch
Also why’s it played on a Sunday this week and on a Saturday next week?
silver vapor
I like how everyone is asking questions now when the information is available quite a while ago already - proves that early information does practically nothing?
velvet dome
I have received the challengers avatar but not the camo yet. Please clarify that we are getting it because it was stated that the finalist for the challengers will get it.
dim pivot
Rexy already clarified that only top 4 of challengers will get the camo
low pewter
Hello there
static phoenix
#FirstWorldProblems people dying around the world, people putting their lives at risk every day, and come here and all I see QQ over some pixels. Shame
Now everyone take a chill pill, use a bit of perspective and have a nice weekend 😘
leaden belfry
@static phoenix imagine people being able to care about more than all that's happening out there
@noble star Saturday is a holiday in RU, that's why everything was moved to Sunday
(I asked when I saw the date, because I originally thought wg has put it wrong in the schedule)
As it is, the prize pool said top 4 would get something special. Now it's the top 8. Without changes in the prize pool being announced. That does feel like the top 4 is missions out
thorn shale
I have received the challengers avatar but not the camo yet. Please clarify that we are getting it because it was stated that the finalist for the challengers will get it.
@velvet dome Its cause yall are some bad chiildren who forgot mothers day 🤣 Your mom reminded yall and now you are stressed
leaden belfry
It'd be nice if both camo and avatar would be cumulative, where you basically get a mark of excellence or some such on either camo and avatar
static phoenix
Mothers day in UK was long time ago 💐💐💐💐
leaden belfry
Different countries, different holidays. Ours is tomorrow too
But as I can't visit her anyway, I don't mind streaming tournaments then
static phoenix
I miss WOT on a pc, blitz maps are too small and almost barren. They need more bushes and trees.
azure pecan
No thanks, there are enough campers and comping positions
velvet dome
I'm sorry but I didn't realise finalist meant something different for professional and challengers.
Next time please be more clear with your use of words or put in small fine print at the bottom
we will do as we please at our own discretion
Because both sentences has finalist in it but professional all get the camo meanwhile challengers only top 4.
silver vapor
finalist here meant final stage participants = top 4
and wargaming made the decision for some reason to not follow the rule and gave camo to all top 8 team - but it is what it is
glass thunder
@velvet dome its. Just one camo for one tank so its useless same like 4m credit if you win the tournament (i can get 4m credit in 3h playing)
graceful jetty
@velvet dome stop complaining about it and enjoy ur pro avatar. Ur not in any position to complain about whether top 8 or top 4 received the prof camo cause u wouldnt have even been top 8 in twister if NUB didnt rig u in. Obviously its unlucky u didnt get top 8 this year but stop whining about it
(For those who dont know what i mean)
https://youtu.be/rTnOGdhpUc8
velvet dome
We did not do anything. We played as if it was a real battle. You want to flame someone flame NUB. Also wg because even with proof and multiple tickets to support, here they are several years later of rigging tourneys and randoms.
And I am stating a point. It's unfair.
graceful jetty
I never said u rigged. I understand that it was only NUB doing the rigging. Im just saying that it doesnt concern u whether top 8 or top 4 receive prof camo cause ur not in top 8@velvet dome. Enjoy ur pro avatar and understand that u were lucky to even get that
gentle sierra
@velvet dome make it to top 8 next time and get the camos , dont complain about not getting the rewards you were not supposed to get anyways
thorn shale
^
velvet dome
I'm saying that wg said it was finalist. So if in this case finalist means top 8 for professionals, why is it not the same for challengers?
azure pecan
I dont understand whats the sens of your problem
As you see IG, professional tournament and challenger tournament are different tournaments so regulations Can be different ?
silver vapor
wargaming used Finalist for both - but originally for Professionals it was also only top 4 that gets the professional camo and wargaming changed it to top 8, they just didn't changed the wording on the articles
azure pecan
Yes it’s a kind of positive surprise isn’t it
analog osprey
Hi
unborn oak
They should make an actual challengers camo , would be nice. @stark crow meh idk. Getting in challengers is what an small amount of player base can get.
stark crow
If they start doing camos for everything , it will lose the value
atomic tartan
This is one of the most pointless conversations that's happened in here since Ribble talked about ATGMs a month ago
past marlin
Amazing
thorn shale
Camos for challengers? Lol Not good idea imo
wild dust
I have no clue what anybody is talking abt
atomic tartan
Thats cool bro but I don’t remember asking
tropic lotus
cunning terrace
hi
azure pecan
They should make an actual challengers camo , would be nice. @_WeaKzy |LOCA meh idk. Getting in challengers is what an small amount of player base can get.
Well not really, on RU maybe but on EU theres what, not even 20teams playing actively T10 tournaments so getting in top16 cant really be considered as being part of a small amount of players
Ofc if u compare to whole wotb players, being top16 is semi-god, but in that case u can just create a camo and give it to top1000 best players of each server its the same reasonment
Rewards should definitively be 100 Times better for challenger since u still train 3months for it, but thats another point
sand sluice
Guys I want to join in a Team in this Tournament im a Kv2 user
novel wasp
HELLO
silver vapor
@sand sluice #tourneys-team-search @novel wasp #general-blitz-discussion
leaden belfry
Asia will be going live in about an hour with two streams.
The matchups available to watch are:
Round 3, 10 May, 19:00 (UTC +8)(13:00 CEST).
Amaunet85 - [FEAST] WallGaming vs [CALM] CALM coin stream
bradster555(Fugit) - [EA] NoPartTimeLover vs [E7] Uprising
Round 4, 10 May, 20:10 (UTC +8)(14:10 CEST).
Amaunet85 - [FEAST] WallGaming vs [E7] Uprising coin stream
bradster555(Fugit) - [-RN-] Rote Nova vs [CALM] CALM
Mine will be the coin stream today, and should be watched through https://wotblitz.asia/en/tournaments/#/tournament/230/description/
Fugit's stream: https://youtu.be/4nTA7v955RQ
alpine adder
@chilly terrace how did they get a PC player into challengers?
median mason
It's not forbidden to join a tournament room with other than touch controls
glass thunder
you can join room also you can start the game on pc just you get touch control and you can't play so you will be useless
low pewter
Had a good game....... Team came second I guess
leaden belfry
@alpine adder pc controls won't work for them. It'll be one of those devices that's both a pc and a touch screen. He can load into the game, but he won't be able to use pc controls, only touch screen controls
alpine adder
Ah I see, I was just curios. Thanks.
slender harness
Asia is doing the same thing they did in spring 2019
6 teams with same 5 pts -2019
5 teams with 2 pts -2020
leaden belfry
7 is4 tactic best tactic 👌
thorn shale
×D
still walrus
No just get 7 bc 25 t
leaden belfry
I see you didn't see Asia's game today 😂
fallow raptor
7is4 hmmmmmmmmm
oak veldt
Eww fake e7
thorn shale
Nien 7 maus is the wey to go
bleak crypt
@leaden belfry you have yet to see more stonky gameplay 😆
leaden belfry
Ahaha looking forwards to it!
leaden belfry
Going live in an hour with the second day of the Professionals for the EU server. There's four streams available, namely;
ROUND 3, 10 May, 20:00 (CEST).
Amaunet85 - [S0ULS] Bad Touch vs [LGN] Legion
RA1DR1B - [RA1D] RA1D vs [IMM0R] MadTicketGames
3very_Good_Name_Is_Taken - [EG-] END GAME vs [LOCA] CuteAnimals
fugit555 - [APA] MonkeyGaming vs [VE1L] Vengeance coin stream
ROUND 4, 10 May, 21:04 (CEST).
Amaunet85 - [IMM0R] MadTicketGames vs [VE1L] Vengeance
RA1DR1B - [RA1D] RA1D vs [LGN] Legion
3very_Good_Name_Is_Taken - [APA] MonkeyGaming vs [EG-] END GAME
fugit555 - [S0ULS] Bad Touch vs [LOCA] CuteAnimals coin stream
My stream can be watched at https://youtu.be/1IZNyB3XK-o
@latent olive's stream will be the coin stream tonight, and can be watched at https://wotblitz.eu/en/tournaments/#/tournament/233/description/
@pastel tartan's stream can be watched at https://youtu.be/XbYoaqemTW8
R1B's stream can be watched at https://youtu.be/h7lQmXlqSFM
maiden shadow
Hello there
vagrant phoenix
@chilly terrace how will seeding in top 4 be determined?
thorn shale
How will a tie between 4th place be broken?
eager aurora
See pinned, the regulations in forum
thorn shale
@vagrant phoenix like do you mean will #1 vs #4 and #2 vs #3?
Because I would also like to know that
I think it’s been inconsistent
vagrant phoenix
yes i wanna know if seeding will be random, by wr, or based on performance in group stage
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace I have to ask why Sunday for Challengers Tournament? It’s Mother’s Day this Sunday in NA and killing some teams.
@noble star
Unfortunately, the schedule of tournament can't be created avoiding all holidays in the world, since we can't know about all of them =(
I have received the challengers avatar but not the camo yet. Please clarify that we are getting it because it was stated that the finalist for the challengers will get it.
@velvet dome
Yes, because it's prize for finalists.
I'm sorry but I didn't realise finalist meant something different for professional and challengers.
Next time please be more clear with your use of words or put in small fine print at the bottom
we will do as we please at our own discretion
Because both sentences has finalist in it but professional all get the camo meanwhile challengers only top 4.
@velvet dome
Check out the changes in regulations on the forum:
http://forum.wotblitz.asia/index.php?/topic/20506-spring-professionals-tournament-2020/
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace how will seeding in top 4 be determined?
@vagrant phoenix
During the 2nd stage, teams in the upper bracket will be drawn according to the "strongest against weakest" principle based on the number of points scored by the teams in the previous stage (team A plays with team D, team B plays with team C).
These are lines from regulations.
How will a tie between 4th place be broken?
@thorn shale
If several teams have an equal number of points, the following parameters will be considered to determine the winner:
Head-to-head battles and the total score for these battles (the team that won in head-to-head battle or that has more victories in head-to-head battles advances to the next stage).
If it is impossible to determine a winner based on the above parameters, the total score (number of victories) earned by teams in all rounds of the Group Stage will be considered.
If it is impossible to determine a winner based on the above parameters, the total duration of all head-to-head battles of the contesting teams will be considered.
If the winner is still not determined upon considering all the above-mentioned parameters, a tie-break is announced. The time of the tie-break and the maps to be played shall be determined by the Organizer. The Organizer shall notify the teams of the tie-break time on the forum in advance.
And again these are lines from regulations.
silver vapor
Please. fix. the. server.
chilly terrace
Please. fix. the. server.
@silver vapor
We always fix problems, if they are on our side.
silver vapor
We always fix problems if they are on our side.
@chilly terrace yes, so fix them. It's on your side.
91% of players that I asked (excluding me, which counts to 125 players out of 137 players) has been experiencing heavy rubberbanding and lag on Asia server. It can't be that we all use the same providers ISP or even live in the same city. Be logical and look at the numbers, we are all complaining about the same issue.
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace yes, so fix them. It's on your side.
@silver vapor
So if there is on our side, it will be fixed. Use #585464171349409811 for technical issue reports.
leaden belfry
tbf, Artem, #585464171349409811 has been full of such reports for weeks
if not months
but it seems especially bad after the last update
even if a portion is people's own internet, it's far too much and far too often to just be on the player's side, especially when it's all at once
silver vapor
So if there is on our side, it will be fixed. Use #585464171349409811 for technical issue reports.
have you even read that channel before redirecting me there? go read how many complains about lag and rubberbanding there. I can't believe how you're still redirecting me to pile up complains when you don't even bother reading them and understanding there's a freaking issue here.
leaden belfry
using the search function in #585464171349409811 - 73 mentions of lag since this update came, 96 mentions of ping since this update came, 69 mentions of loss since this update game. Partly they'll, of course, overlap, but that's saying something
I've counted only from April 29th onwards
silver vapor
you will need to read each message and count them - I'm pretty sure more than 75% are about the inconsistency of server quality they've been experiencing
which I'm more than confident that Wargaming doesn't even bother opening the channel once
leaden belfry
not to mention that these are only the people that have bothered to post about it on this server, and in the right channel, at that
I've no doubt that, as WG has said before, they do read everything. But I do think they're underestimating the issue, to say it mildly
silver vapor
you literally can't underestimate if you've even read a good dozen or two of the latest messages in #585464171349409811 - literally I've already counted 30 messages and I'm not even counting 2 days or older messages.
chilly terrace
This channel is not for this, as I said before. I provide information about the lags in the tournament as soon as you report this. For all technical issues - #585464171349409811, #585463961730940929 or #585464006936887306 .
I don't want to bring back 30 minutes cooldown here. Please, don't force me to do that by using this chat for everything. This channel is about the tournaments and only about them.
silver vapor
I'm literally complaining about lag - which has occurred within tournaments and outside of tournaments. How is my complaint not related to tournament again?
chilly terrace
I'm literally complaining about lag - which has occurred within tournaments and outside of tournaments. How is my complaint not related to tournament again?
@silver vapor You complained once and it's enough.
We checked everything from our side, but everything is OK. These are local network troubles that we can't fix
silver vapor
You complained once and it's enough.
We checked everything from our side, but everything is OK. These are local network troubles that we can't fix
@chilly terrace I've also checked everything from my side all the way to your side. and results have told me that there's nothing wrong from every single hop, from my device all the way to that last router before your server.
Now we have a contradiction.
carmine solstice
I can’t see how it’s plausible to think that every player, from multiple teams, over multiple days of the professional tournament, can have the same extreme degree of lag. And it’s not like it’s minor lag by the way - dead tanks move and block shots which I’ve got a recording of from the first day of pro tournament...
alpine adder
^
it’s literally proved that the connection issues are widespread and occurring at the very last point; your server.
Now unless all the ISPs in every country in the world are more incompetent than WG (sorry, but that’s hard to believe.) this issue has to be on your side.
We played challengers as 6v7 on Sunday because of this and lost 2 whole matchups. Pls. Fix.
thorn shale
Yo anyone wanna participate in the coin thing tourney for t10
obsidian vine
thorn shale
Maybe it is just the Asia Server. I don’t find much lag in NA
carmine solstice
I’m sure it is @thorn shale purely because the other servers are bigger and you’d have so many more people complaining if it affected their server. Asia is small so no one takes much notice...obviously...
chilly terrace
I’m sure it is @thorn shale purely because the other servers are bigger and you’d have so many more people complaining if it affected their server. Asia is small so no one takes much notice...obviously...
@carmine solstice Obviously, you are completely wrong. Complaints were notified as soon as they appeared. If an issue had been able to be fixed from our side, it would have been already done.
silver vapor
Obviously, you are completely wrong. Complaints were notified as soon as they appeared. If an issue had been able to be fixed from our side, it would have been already done.
@chilly terrace so this implies the inability of wargaming to fix an on-going issue which has already been found to be not a networking problem?
the reason why I've already ruled out the possibility of a networking problem - is because I've already done a bunch of extensive networking tests for hours - and results are all within normal margins of packet loss / errors which does not relate to the frequent input lag or rubberbanding that me or anyone has experienced. this more or less points to the conclusions that it's not a networking problem.
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace so this implies the inability of wargaming to fix an on-going issue which has already been found to be not a networking problem?
@silver vapor
This implies that Wargaming can't fix problems that are local. As I said before this issue isn't on our side.
All messages about this situation will be deleting in further because we gave you an answer about it.
chilly terrace
@silver vapor I read everything and have commented situation already.
thorn shale
OK.. Thank you
winter swallow
Basically there's a problem that isn't at the player's end but exists somewhere inbetween WG and the player.
silver vapor
Basically there's a problem that isn't at the player's end but exists somewhere inbetween WG and the player.
@winter swallow evidence got deleted so you can't see it but there was no problem in the connection between me and wargaming
upbeat iris
It’s interesting everything get’s deleted including proof of it being fine from the players end. Wherever the problem is, that’s not how to deal with complaints at all
gleaming pollen
If there is no problem on wg's side and no problem on your connection I guess The lag is just imaginary.
winter swallow
The problem is probably somewhere between Wargaming (service provider) and the player (customer, client). In any sane business model - if there's an issue that costs you revenue / limits product development - you fix it.
The player (customer) is not in a position to fix the problem - it would be like trying to amend the supply chain of your local starbucks. Starbucks - in this instance Wargaming - has an issue with the delivery of their product to its customers.
They not only do not fix this - they out right deny its existence. Much like some countries and Covid-19.
Perhaps the problem is not with WG but at an intermediary server/service provider/relay station/I don't really understand how the Internet works it's like voodoo I just know that it does - even if this is the case, the onus is still on Wargaming to resolve this issue or at the very least acknowledge it rather than palm it off to the player as nothing.
Simple example - I have the bees knees of internet connections, including my household hardware configuration. I've spent more money on routers than people have on the device they use to play. I can play AND stream a triple A title with zero problems regarding connection - YET - The time that WG refreshes the Blitz missions and containers, I am hit by a ping and packet loss spike the size of a frickin' Maus. That is entirely on WG. I've got perfect 5G WiFi coverage and 250 down 20 up connection speed.
We know the servers struggle with high player loads - we know that certain tournament modes don't work due to server issues - it's just insanity for WG to deny there is a problem.
latent pulsar
What's the prize fund for season coins tourney that ends soon? I can't see it in reward tabs maybe someone can enlighten me
Nvm sorry im dunb
daring bear
2k and something coins and like 2m creds if you get first place
tropic lotus
@chilly terrace Think about it though. You’re not going to even consider this issue or look into it?
How many times do multiple teams and multiple players over multiple days of tournaments have to complain about lag issues during one of the major tournaments of the game and have proof to show you before you start to consider the idea that maybe there is an issue?
Instead you run a test, see no ‘issue’ on your end and leave it up in the air as to what’s causing this vast number of lag and ping issues across the majority of these players in the tournament.
Don’t you remember what happened last year with the Top Echelon games on NA?
This isn’t worth the energy it took me to type this because you’re just going to say there is no issue on Wargaming’s end and dismiss it.
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace Think about it though. You’re not going to even consider this issue or look into it?
How many times to multiple teams and multiple players over multiple days of tournaments have to complain about lag issues during one of the major tournaments of the game and have proof to show you before you start to wonder that maybe there is an issue?
Don’t you remember what happened last year with the Top Echelon games on NA?
@tropic lotus
As I said before, use #585464171349409811, for example, for this complaints. This channel is not for it. Messages must be directed in the right channel.
If I say that we can't do anything to fix it because it's not on our side, it literally means that we have already done the tests and they showed that there are not some problems on server.
daring bear
So @chilly terrace are there any things you’d recommended to me so I can try to fix this issue since its apprently on my end? Serious question btw
jolly knot
I have to agree with Rolling on this - after numerous tournaments, I tried running one intentionally on LTE. Exactly the same ping issues, then I tried it on wifi and then via an ethernet cable. Same stuff.
I tried several tickets that basically ended up nowhere - as it's been said (and deleted) numerous times here, you usually say there's nothing on your end. I intentionally looked on a ping plotter and no issues on my end were recorded. Considering I am torrenting in the background and sometimes even streaming, I really think my connection is more than satisfactory for stuff like this.
I haven't bothered sending a ticket about this because I already know how it'll end.
chilly terrace
So @chilly terrace are there any things you’d recommended to me so I can try to fix this issue since its apprently on my end? Serious question btw
@daring bear
I can't, because I'm not technical specialist. That's one of the reasons why you should address your messages in the right place. The basic advice with all internet issues is making traceroute.
daring bear
@daring bear
I can't, because I'm not technical specialist. That's one of the reasons why you should address your messages in the right place. The basic advice with all internet issues is making traceroute.
@chilly terrace yeah but the problem with that is that there are no issues on my side, I play with 4g just because my wifi has issues every now and then. So how come there still are issues around ping? And since I’m not the only one complaining about this I can safely assume its not my 50 ping thats making me have rubberbanding issues. My ping is always between 50-100 and I dont mind because thats not bad, but I’m just confused why I have rubberbanding issues with decent ping
I’m not even playing on asia, I play on eu
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace yeah but the problem with that is that there are no issues on my side, I play with 4g just because my wifi has issues every now and then. So how come there still are issues around ping? And since I’m not the only one complaining about this I can safely assume its not my 50 ping thats making me have rubberbanding issues
@daring bear
So you can send the results of traceroute to #585464171349409811 and there will be clear where problem is. Don't forget to point which cluster you met problems if there is not this information on traceroute.
jolly knot
Mind if you tell me why you deleted the stuff I said though? I wasn't lying, we are sending tickets and complaints about this almost daily. And considering it is relevant to the topic, I don't think you had a proper reason to delete that other than not wanting to address these actual issues.
winter swallow
@jolly knot - tbh - Rexy does have a point, this is the Tournament channel - flag the issue with the esports team but there are better channels to push the issue. #585463961730940929 for us on EU.
@winter swallow Channels where we get no response. What’s the point of reporting the issue in our #[region]-server channels if they are going to deny the idea that there are any issues at all?
@tropic lotus I absolutely feel you on it. However - WG's structure is such that pushing the issue here won't accomplish anything.
@tropic lotus - yes - ironically we can continue our back and forth via edits though. So - enjoying tournaments atm?
Other than getting 30 min slow-mode restored. GG.
tropic lotus
@winter swallow Channels where we get no response. What’s the point of reporting the issue in our #[region]-server channels if they are going to deny the idea that there are any issues at all?
I see.
@chilly terrace I’m not saying the issues are getting ignored, nor that this is I guess the correct channel to complain about these issues.
What I am saying is that I feel that there is a failure to acknowledge an issue that we are all experiencing, and it doesn’t become an issue on the player side anymore or of a coincidence when you take into the account the amount of players it’s affecting.
@winter swallow Yes, I’m actually participating in this years top 8 for spring. It’s been quite the experience.
chilly terrace
Mind if you tell me why you deleted the stuff I said though? I wasn't lying, we are sending tickets and complaints about this almost daily. And considering it is relevant to the topic, I don't think you had a proper reason to delete that other than not wanting to address these actual issues.
@jolly knot Because there is wrong place to write about this. You don't provide any useful info, it's just a flood.
This chat is only for important messages about the tournaments and seasons and only about them, but all participants use it for any issue that they meet in the game and for discussing different things that go far away from the channel topic.
That's why 30 minutes cooldown is back.
jolly knot
you don't provide any useful info
so giving proof these ping issues aren't on our end isn't useful, then?
And when I put it in the correct channel, it is immediately ignored. Note that I was talking about ping issues in tournaments the whole time, Rexy. I wasn't really going off-topic. The ping is fine in normal encounter battles.
chilly terrace
@winter swallow Channels where we get no response. What’s the point of reporting the issue in our #[region]-server channels if they are going to deny the idea that there are any issues at all?
@tropic lotus
- If you don't get an answer, it doesn't mean that your problem is ignored.
- If I try to answer as soon as possible about the tournaments in this channel, it doesn't mean that you can write here any question that you want to be answered.
you don't provide any useful info
so giving proof these ping issues aren't on our end isn't useful, then?
@jolly knot You are giving "proof" in the wrong channel.
tropic lotus
Ok boomer
thorn shale
@chilly terrace Can I change my nickname during proffesional tournament?
wraith wraith
Anyone can explain me why my team has dissapeared for this tournament?
slender flare
@thorn shale into BTS? 😂 😎
shut sorrel
Is anyone here representing amkk?
thorn shale
@slender flare I want something so people can read it, but BTS is ❤️
pls no, no BTS😂
shut sorrel
Is any team willing to battle against another team in a training room?
thorn shale
@jade rose use #tourneys-team-search
fast hareBOT
Cichy#1866 has been warned.
round bear
no
round sierra
Hey, my clan lost in the quarter round of one of the tournaments, but it still says we're partaking, is there a loser bracket or something?
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace Can I change my nickname during proffesional tournament?
@thorn shale There is not any rule against it in the regulations, so you can.
Anyone can explain me why my team has dissapeared for this tournament?
@wraith wraith Your captain forget to press "Register" button after all players entered in the team, I guess.
Hey, my clan lost in the quarter round of one of the tournaments, but it still says we're partaking, is there a loser bracket or something?
@round sierra There is not. The system of Season coins tournaments is single elimination. You can find the tournament system for specific tournament in its description.
round sierra
Ah, thank you. I thought so, got confused because it claimed we were still waiting for a battle lol.
carmine solstice
Obviously sharing accounts while in pro tourney isn’t allowed and is dumb. I have multiple accounts tho - can I switch between them?
chilly terrace
Obviously sharing accounts while in pro tourney isn’t allowed and is dumb. I have multiple accounts tho - can I switch between them?
@carmine solstice If both accounts are yours, you can.
thorn shale
Κανείς Έλληνας?
chilly terrace
Κανείς Έλληνας?
@thorn shale
Hello! The official language of this server is English, please use it.
Γειά σου! Η επίσημη γλώσσα αυτού του διακομιστή είναι η αγγλική, χρησιμοποιήστε την.
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thorn shale
Will there ever be the ability to exchange tickets into credits
obsidian vine
I want the ability to exchange pro avatars into gold, I have like 3
hardy prairie
You will get to exchange them into 25,000 credits each. That is a reasonable deal
obsidian vine
What
livid galleon
25000 credits
Reasonable deal
pick 1
worthy crater
How is spring coins attained in tour distributed? Will every player in team get a even share or is it depended on the battles each player in team played.
silver vapor
pretty sure it's depended on the amount of games you've played
fast hareBOT
HaveGunWillTravel_1#2105 was muted
worthy crater
@silver vapor ok thx👍
fading ledge
When does the tournament actually starts
thorn shale
I have a question, are whole clans allowed to invite professional members to a non clan tournament, because I have played the tier 5-6 tier tournament and me and my street team had to fight a full team of 1 clan
oak veldt
U can have anyone you like in your team for non clan tourn (including a team frm 1 clan) but for clan tourns your only allowed to have players frm your clan
sudden bough
Hi all,
Joined this just recently (Discord). Not sure if devs are reading this or Community reps, but I would love some improvement re Tournament lobbies, people readiness.
At the moment, if you Open a team, send invites to people from your team or just friends. They accept, joins team. The time comes to "Register for battles" and you have NO way of seeing who is or who isn't Online that particular time.
The only way is to go out from that window, toggle through ALL people u invited to see if they are available.
Few suggestions:
Some sort of color coding or a Green/Red if person is Online on Team rosted.
Lobbie CHAT in the same window where the team is - this would be ideal.
graceful jetty
We had good ping and no lag today WG. Thank you!
past marlin
Yes thanks
chilly terrace
Hello everyone!
We know that ASIA players faced some technical troubles during the watching of the Professional tournament stream and the counter didn't work. We decided to give out 45 season coins as compensation for each player who started watching the stream before 21:10 (UTC +8). The compensation will be given out tomorrow.
Sorry for any inconvenience!
chilly terrace
Hello everyone!
We know that ASIA players faced some technical troubles during t...
chilly terrace
@silver vapor What you've been doing calls flood. These messages are meaningless and this is not the channel for such messages.
sudden bough
Rexy any way my recommendation above is considered?
leaden belfry
Going live in 2 hours with the third day of the Professionals for the EU server. There's four streams available, namely;
ROUND 5, 14 May, 20:00 (CEST).
Amaunet85 - [LGN] Legion vs [LOCA] CuteAnimals
RA1DR1B - [RA1D] RA1D vs [VE1L] Vengeance
3very_Good_Name_Is_Taken - [IMM0R] MadTicketGames vs [EG-] END GAME coin stream
fugit555 - [S0ULS] Bad Touch vs [APA] MonkeyGaming
ROUND 6, 14 May, 21:04 (CEST).
Amaunet85 - [LGN] Legion vs [APA] MonkeyGaming
RA1DR1B - [RA1D] RA1D vs [LOCA] CuteAnimals
3very_Good_Name_Is_Taken - [VE1L] Vengeance vs [EG-] END GAME coin stream
fugit555 - [IMM0R] MadTicketGames vs [S0ULS] Bad Touch
My stream can be watched at https://youtu.be/_tD88iqeBAc
@pastel tartan's stream will be the coins stream tonight and should be watched at https://wotblitz.eu/en/tournaments/#/tournament/233/description/
@latent olive's stream can be watched at https://youtu.be/37vdN8LBMpw
R1B's stream can be watched at https://youtu.be/9OEpPvqJ1hA
On top of that, @gleaming pollen will be streaming W1N's games in the Challenger's tournament from his point of view https://m.twitch.tv/kumauttaja
tired salmon
no season coins for tournament today?
No clock running down and no "live" button
timber flint
I dont get anny points for watching the stream on the portal there is no timer going down
median mason
Oh, so I am not the only one :D
winter radish
No don't worry. I mean you can worry because there isn't any timer lol
pallid raven
@lime glen Not getting any points from the stream.
If i recall, it has happened last twister and you still get points from watching, they just dont display on the stream
daring bear
I watched a stream on eu like one of the first ones and got 0 coins too, thought it was just a bug but couldnt care enough to report it tbh
winter radish
Ok timer's back for me ^^
tidal snow
5-0 so far in challenger’s tournament 🙂
winter radish
x)
lusty fractal
Timer is back, but first 20 min are lost
tidal snow
now 6-0 🙂
spark moth
yes not having all the coins despite watching the whole stream GG
leaden belfry
Coins issue is known, WG will respond tomorrow they said
it didn't work in Asia either today, and WG compensated for that, so I expect something similar for EU =)
arctic axle
Almost every single Spring/Twister season there is a problem with the coin system. You would think it would have been fixed by now.
leaden belfry
that's because they keep changing the coin system between seasons 😂
chilly terrace
Rexy any way my recommendation above is considered?
@sudden bough
I don't think that any of your ides will be implemented in the short term.
no season coins for tournament today?
No clock running down and no "live" button
@tired salmon @timber flint @winter radish @pallid raven @daring bear
We've faced an issue with EU stream, but we fixed it as soon as we could
yes not having all the coins despite watching the whole stream GG
@spark moth
Coins are started to count half an hour after tournament start.
sudden bough
Appreciate the reply
crystal hatch
nice map rotation
vague nexus
Hey it told me to visit
tender shell
@vague nexus It?
tropic lotus
it.
pale finch
Yeah, that thing
patent wind
I search some player for tournament tonight NA server I'm French canadian so my english can disapoiting some...
sacred minnow
hello
vast vector
Hello y’all having a tournament tonight with tier 7 ?
thorn shale
Aaaaah
graceful jetty
Use #tourneys-team-search @vast vector @patent wind
thorn shale
@shut sorrel
stone cosmos
😄
leaden belfry
Going live in just over an hour with the fourth day of the Professionals for the Asia server. There's two streams available, namely;
Round 7, 16 May, 19:00 (UTC +8)(13:00 CEST).
Amaunet85 - [HLV] Hasta la vista vs [FEAST] WallGaming coin stream
bradster555(Fugit) - [E7] Uprising vs [-ID-] TEAM ID
My stream is the coins stream today, and should be watched through https://wotblitz.asia/en/tournaments/#/tournament/230/description/
but if you're not from the Asia server, you can watch it through youtube at https://youtu.be/0lzKlsqdOWY
@latent olive's stream can be watched at https://youtu.be/uj-PS2br9Lc
trim summit
@sudden bough Hi
lilac nimbus
Any bonus codes out there u guys know of?
leaden belfry
Going live in just over an hour with the fourth day of the Professionals for the EU server. There's four streams available, namely;
ROUND 7, 16 May, 20:00 (CEST).
Amaunet85 - [VE1L] Vengeance vs [S0ULS] Bad Touch coin stream
RA1DR1B - [RA1D] RA1D vs [EG-] END GAME
3very_Good_Name_Is_Taken - [LGN] Legion vs [IMM0R] MadTicketGames
fugit555 - [LOCA] CuteAnimals vs [APA] MonkeyGaming
My stream is the coins stream today, and should be watched through
https://wotblitz.eu/en/tournaments/#/tournament/233/description/
but if you're not from the EU server, you can watch it through youtube at https://youtu.be/JQv3efhpM4U
@pastel tartan's stream can be watched at https://youtu.be/NgRWFhmxXrE
@latent olive's stream can be watched at https://youtu.be/0HR6M3htrks
R1B's stream can be watched at https://youtu.be/LzVEsUqkjdc
visual tendon
Incredible perf from LGN gg to them 👏 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/482916289401192458/711291762332926022/immorop.PNG
versed field
💪
visual tendon
even if we all suspected, rip IMMOR... they just showed us the worst performance ever seen in Wot B, I hope that WG will understand that its necessary to change their method of qualifications 🤷♂️
glass thunder
yes the 75 wr team lost all 7 matches with no fight
analog osprey
Gg LGN
past marlin
Asia also had a team with 0 points
patent quartz
using rerolls to get pro camos, i though i've seen it all, apparently i was wrong 🤮
tropic lotus
Oof
median mason
Its heating up here i see :D Ah, nvm. 5mins cooldown
analog osprey
SOULS was amazing. 3 pts and could have more, 4-3 vs loca and eg
inland solstice
😂
median mason
🤨
thorn shale
.
dreamy adder
🍿
vital obsidian
Congrats Lgn for winning all games, and extra big congrats to WW for win in Challenger group stage!
arctic axle
@chilly terrace issue with incorrect currency display is back
tropic lotus
No
eternal niche
Rip immortal
cobalt yarrow
We saw it before , like that performance @visual tendon
visual tendon
This one was rly bad, a humiliation, I'm not proud of this and I didn't think we could do worse one day... but I was wrong 🤮
patent quartz
at least we didnt use rerolls to get there @cobalt yarrow 🙂
thorn shale
imaging searching such old tourney lol
glass thunder
@patent quartz was it vs immor before top8 stage and with troll tactic ?
bright tundra
I don’t think you realize what you’re accomplishing by having these petty fights on this server/channel.
cobalt yarrow
But you try to put k4 team for getting cups for you because you lost getting ticket tournament @patent quartz
tranquil seal
Funniest thing will be rekty winning money.
visual tendon
@cobalt yarrow I don't rly understand why your speak about that right now lol... but with 75% its sure you never had to use this type of things...lol anyway our performance with RES was a humiliation, yes...but you not even do better... you do worth...btw we beat you with res during the qualification... something to add more ?
glass thunder
nah chill guys stop calling others bad i just hope wg fix this rerolls system cause it gave teams chance to play top 8 even they cant even get top 4 in challengers (im not talking about any team )
@tranquil seal why not he made it to top4 with raid xd
tranquil seal
Rofl
sly hornet
rekty is da real winner here
sonic iron
Iks de
crude mesa
Man PURPL got destroyed by PNCR....
thorn shale
And?
obsidian vine
He was just stating the very close games
worthy cave
Was on the edge of my seat
flat goblet
Toxic
glass thunder
This is more toxic than gg ez
slender flare
Yes, instead bullying IMMOR cos we didnt get top 8
vital obsidian
Welcome to the World of Toxicity
pale finch
In all honesty I thought Mike did a great job getting IMM0R into top 8 with such a little amount of training
slender flare
Yeah im even suprised, im sure for the next proff they will improve their performance.
fading brook
i haven't been paying much attention. is RGN no longer a thing?
weary hull
If I was invited to a tourney team
neat kestrel
Ji
winter swallow
i haven't been paying much attention. is RGN no longer a thing?
@fading brook RGN are still a thing. -RGN- is under new management AFAIK.
thorn shale
^
tropic lotus
whats afaik
thorn shale
"As far as I know" @tropic lotus
tropic lotus
Ic
thorn shale
Love your name
digital gust
whats ic, @tropic lotus
median mason
@digital gust :o
tropic lotus
@digital gust short for i see
thorn shale
Hi all
alpine adder
@chilly terrace For the clans that didn’t make it to the second stages of prof/challengers, the rewards have already been given, why can they still not play other tournaments, are they just not supposed to play tournaments for another month?
silver vapor
@chilly terrace For the clans that didn’t make it to the second stages of prof/challengers, the rewards have already been given, why can they still not play other tournaments, are they just not supposed to play tournaments for another month?
@alpine adder because that's how it works? Since the tournament they're participated is still on-going
alpine adder
@alpine adder because that's how it works? Since the tournament they're participated is still on-going
@silver vapor I get that but that means no participation for a month.
They should have changed that ngl.
Kinda hard to win when the server doesn’t let 2 of your players log in because the issue is on their side.
Thanks for the answer though, I guess that does make sense.
silver vapor
@silver vapor I get that but that means no participation for a month.
Kinda hard to win when the server doesn’t let 2 of your players log in because the issue is on their side.
@alpine adder I don't want to talk about server side issues anymore - because rexy doesn't want me to.
but that's how the tournament system work. any given player is not allowed to participate in more than 1 on-going tournament at a time. so this time the players finished a stage of tournaments and are excluded from the tournament (which still make the players counted as participating at that on-going tournament), I know it's a bit bs but that's how the system work I guess.
alpine adder
Yeah I get it now, thanks mate, I didn’t know it applied for when the teams participation was over as well. But it is what it is. Good luck with yours though.
flat goblet
Devs don’t get paid enough to solve ‘non-issues’ such as being locked into a tournament
proven mulch
Hi
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace For the clans that didn’t make it to the second stages of prof/challengers, the rewards have already been given, why can they still not play other tournaments, are they just not supposed to play tournaments for another month?
@alpine adder
@silver vapor was right.
I just want to add that we don't want to allow players from Challengers and Professionals tournaments participate in other tournaments. They are for other players. Players from quick tournaments can't participate in Challengers tournament, so why players from Challengers tournament should be allowed to participate in quick tournaments? We are not going to change this rule.
flat goblet
Wish I could use hide the pain harold for reaction
alpine adder
players from quick tournaments can’t participate in challengers.
Logic so excellent has never been used, do you think those teams have earned the right to play challengers? No.
But the teams in challengers have earned the right to play normal tournaments especially once the challengers is literally over for your team.
How is that the same?
The issue is that now for an entire month, there simply won’t be any tournaments for all those teams (keep in mind Asia literally has a handful of teams in the first place. The 16 teams in profs and challengers are 80% of the active clans on the server. This way about 40% of the servers tournament players are gonna sit idle for a month.)
Either way, I get that the rule exists and It’s not like I can do anything about it.
Just imo it’s kind of a stupid rule to begin with. Especially in the premises of the Asian server.
Thanks again for your timely response though, can’t complain there.
chilly terrace
players from quick tournaments can’t participate in challengers.
Logic so excellent has never been used, do you think those teams have earned the right to play challengers? No.
But the teams in challengers have earned the right to play normal tournaments especially once the challengers is literally over for your team.
How is that the same?
The issue is that now for an entire month, there simply won’t be any tournaments for all those teams (keep in mind Asia literally has a handful of teams in the first place. The 16 teams in profs and challengers are 80% of the active clans on the server. This way about 40% of the servers tournament players are gonna sit idle for a month.)Either way, I get that the rule exists and It’s not like I can do anything about it.
Just imo it’s kind of a stupid rule to begin with. Especially in the premises of the Asian server.
Thanks again for your timely response though, can’t complain there.
@alpine adder
As I said before these tournaments for other players, not for these who in Professional or Challengers. If you can play in such tournaments, you will interfere other players to play there. We intentionally separate top-16 teams from other, because other teams should have a chance to play as well.
Teams in quicks haven't earned the right to play in Challengers, that's right, but teams in Challengers have lost their right to participate in other tournament since matches in Challengers started.
You started to participate in tournament with strong rules and you are complaining on these rules right now. I hope that next time you will read the rules before the participating and will choose this way in a season that is more suitable for you and your team.
flat goblet
I don’t think anyone will agree that it makes sense. It’s not like the “professionals” are banned from quick tourneys any other time of the year, besides other locking tournaments.
Not sure why there is so much aversion to admitting that it’s simply not possible under the current tournament structure, implementation wise.
chilly terrace
I don’t think anyone will agree that it makes sense. It’s not like the “professionals” are banned from quick tourneys any other time of the year, besides other locking tournaments.
Not sure why there is so much aversion to admitting that it’s simply not possible under the current tournament structure, implementation wise.
@flat goblet
Yes, these players are banned only for seasons. And it makes sense. There is not any prizes for common tournament players in off-season, so it doesn't make sense to ban any team in other periods of time. Anyway, there is not any relevant point to change the current implementation.
pallid raven
So we get the write the rules?... jk I assume you mean read.
flat goblet
If you say so.
If a team got knocked out already, they’re no longer competing in the tournament. Thus, they should be able to play other tournaments. Since they can’t, that leads me to believe it has little to do with “rules” and more to do with tournament structure behind the scenes. But it’s whatever, if that’s how it’s going to stay, so be it.
chilly terrace
So we get the write the rules?... jk I assume you mean read.
@pallid raven Just a typo. It's been fixed already. Thank you for pointing out!
urban saddle
Good morning, the spectator modality will be back in tourneys?
quaint root
WTO
glossy moon
For Season Coins Tournament, those who didn't get into quarterfinals are truly knocked out of the tournament? or is there a losers battle?
winter swallow
@alpine adder
@silver vapor was right.
I just want to add that we don't want to allow players from Challengers and Professionals tournaments participate in other tournaments. They are for other players. Players from quick tournaments can't participate in Challengers tournament, so why players from Challengers tournament should be allowed to participate in quick tournaments? We are not going to change this rule.
@chilly terrace I think that once a team is knocked out of an exclusive tournament, it would be better to allow them to play other tournaments.
I understand it is difficult for WG to do, but it might be better to just say this rather than try and justify what is objectively a very poor argument. Blitz tournaments suffer from lack of engagement. Denying active tournament players that want to play in tournaments the opportunity to play in non-exclusive tournaments is illogical.
thorn shale
Why'd good player be punished for being good
alpine adder
I rest my case. Thanks a lot rolling and others.
FYI. There’s not a single full group in the Asian tier X tournament today.
Guess why.
winter swallow
It makes sense to lock Challenger and Professional players to those tournaments while they are running - but if a team is knocked out, it does not make sense to exclude those active tournament players from any tournament participation until the Top 4 stage plays out.
To be honest - I know what is happening. WG do not know how to set it such that the top 4 teams stay locked in the respective tournament, while the lower 4 teams are released. It is that simple. There is no logic / justification - they just don't know how to do it.
If WG would like to prove me wrong they are welcome to implement the technical fix and release players from knocked out teams back into general tournament play.
glass thunder
Its should be ez to make players able to play other tournaments when they are out from current tournament
fervent bloom
There probably isn't any system in place to do that. The game simply checks whether the players are currently in a tournament, and just goes by that and doesn't allow them to participate in other tournaments until it is over (even if the games of this tournament are held over an entire month).
flat goblet
Pretty much
atomic tartan
Oh jesus
To actually think “the problem will fix itself in time” and “we won’t talk to you about ATGMs anymore” were at one point the biggest brain things that came out of wargaming 🙈🙈
Now we have >you qualified for challengers = you lose the right to play quick tourneys
you are finished with challengers. You DONT regain the right to play quick tourneys
You guys remember a few weeks ago the discussion here was about how Thursday and Saturday Ascents were two tourneys instead of one with different stages? The explanation for that was to not lock players out of other tourneys if they didn’t advance to next stage.
Between that and how streamers get attached to individual teams instead of even brackets, resulting in 20 minute tournament matches on portal streams where 70% of the stream will now be pub games for charity, this just sounds like shoddy coding
winter swallow
The problem for WG is that the top level tournament players are actually the sharpest minds in their community, and are the most engaged with the game and associated communications.
If they realised this and just said the real reason behind decisions we would understand.
atomic tartan
ahahahaha that's funny cuz heres what wargaming thinks about that
chilly terrace
The problem for WG is that the top level tournament players are actually the sharpest minds in their community, and are the most engaged with the game and associated communications.
If they realised this and just said the real reason behind decisions we would understand.
@winter swallow
Hmm, we don't hide that the tournament system works like that: you can't participate in two tournaments at the same time. I just described why we are not going to change it. Again: if my answer is not what someone wants to hear, it doesn't mean that my answer is bad.
pallid raven
Maybe it's a hint for them to take a break from playing tournaments.
chilly terrace
Hello there!
All players who watched the stream on EU region on the 14th of May and received from 15 to 30 season coins will receive 15 more season coins as compensation.
Compensation will be given out tomorrow.
Sorry for any inconvenience!
chilly terrace
Hello there!
All players who watched the stream on EU region on the 14th of May ...
winter swallow
@chilly terrace - You said it wasn't going to change because, and I quote: '... we don't want to allow players from Challengers and Professionals tournaments participate in other tournaments. They are for other players. Players from quick tournaments can't participate in Challengers tournament, so why players from Challengers tournament should be allowed to participate in quick tournaments?'
I believe that logic is flawed. EVERYONE was able to compete during Ascents in order to qualify upon a sort of skill-based system for the Challengers and Professionals tournaments. The season coins tournaments do not stack / have a leaderboard - there is no interference there.
I believe, quite simply - noting that WG have stated in the past the reason why stages are separate in other tournaments is to prevent players from getting locked into one tournament - that the reason why players currently knocked out of either the Challengers / Professionals tournaments cannot play in other tournaments, is because WG do not know how to have some players/teams locked into a tournament while releasing others. IF WG COULD DO THIS - you would not need to have separate tournaments for same stages of one tournament.
Anyways - I am aware this isn't a discussion, nor even an argument. My point - take it or leave it - is that 50% of your best and most active tournament players are being left out in the cold after the group stages and that sucks for them. You know what I see those players doing atm on Discord? Playing League of Legends, CS:GO etc.
It is your player base at the end of the day... well, for as long as you have them at least 🙂
graceful jetty
WG can just do what they did with Thursday and Saturday ascents.
Make a separate tournament for top 4 and give the tickets for that as reward for the top 4 teams. If they're worried about seeding by WR again (and not being able to have 1v4 and 2v3 etc), maybe they can do something with the tickets where 1-4 teams get tickets like "1st place ticket", "2nd place ticket" etc and use those to do the seeding. Or they can just manually match them up or make the mm find the results for spring pro tour and match it how it would've been for final stage using the clan tag
winter swallow
That is an excellent idea.
thorn shale
Is there any New tournament
glass thunder
@winter swallow i agree with leaving cw's player's play others games because of no event's (tournaments to play ) i hope we get off season tournaments like before spring season , it's better than let all top clans to sleep all summer and come back active 15 days before twister
hollow birch
Can you join a tier 8 team and a tier 10 the same night. Say I lose first round on 1 team and I was a backup on another team can I then play other rounds on 2nd team?
cerulean sluice
is there a free tank in the next event? :>
@light totem moderators please see this kind of messages aren't sent here. And to you @light totem bro, only tournament related discussions are here, regarding events or tanks use other channels but not this.
Can you join a tier 8 team and a tier 10 the same night. Say I lose first round on 1 team and I was a backup on another team can I then play other rounds on 2nd team?
@hollow birch Sure you can but cannot be on same team at same time, you either complete the 1st attempt & then you can join the next team on same tier or to another tier. Either way a player only get 2 attempt per day.
This is for quick & random tours but not for professional tours.
winter swallow
Getting close to some good top 4 action. Looking forward to it.
leaden belfry
I'm looking forwards to Professional gameplay without people drowning themselves, yes 🙃
thorn shale
⚔️ let's go LGN ⚔️
versed field
Challengers finals aswell 🙂
glass thunder
🤦♀️
midnight gazelle
I'm thinking of joining the V-VI little tournament. I'm in a crusader trying to get the firefly. I cant wait to watch the professionals also.
tropic lotus
That comment above was humbling to me in a way. To think that I was once like them getting my first t6 and wanting to do tournaments
Bring me back in a way.
thorn shale
@midnight gazelle what is your percent? %50?
midnight gazelle
Yeah I had trouble in battle before cuz i was frontline and killed easy
glass thunder
why keep nerf sheridan till it become useless same like 183 when you can go to the problem and remove it
empty sable
Hey I need 4 more people AT LEAST for the tournament tonight and if anyone can participate please give me your user so I can invite you thanks.
median mason
@empty sable #tourneys-team-search
azure prawn
how do i start the torunament? I already registered my team and recruited them
azure prawn
i can't participate tournament, when i click this, nothing happens
chilly terrace
how do i start the torunament? I already registered my team and recruited them
@azure prawn You should go to the team screen and press "Start battles" button.
winter swallow
Good luck to -W1N- and -WW- @versed field : an all Finnish finals would be fantastic ❤️
leaden belfry
Going live in an hour with the first day of the Final Stages for the Asia server! There's two streams available, namely;
Amaunet85 - [E7] Uprising vs. [FEAST] WallGaming
Fugit - [-ID-] TEAM ID vs. [-RN-] Rote Nova coin stream
Followed by the upper bracket match that we'll both be spectating and commentating.
My stream can be watched at https://youtu.be/b4Y1IzDWxis
Fugit's stream will be the coins stream today and should be watched at https://wotblitz.asia/en/tournaments/#/tournament/230/description/ but if you're not on Asia, you can watch through https://youtu.be/l1dIxmSWVoo
leaden belfry
If anyone is wondering about my commentating skillz when commentating on E7, it's not me, it's them
except for Pixels, Scammy and Phony. They're excused
dim pivot
nice
fallow raptor
Stonky names
thorn shale
STONKS
thorn shale
@hollow timber @thorn shale this is the English server. Communicate in English please
thorn shale
😂
leaden belfry
Going live in an hour with the first day of the Final Stages for the EU server! There's 4 streams available, namely;
Upper bracket, semi final, 2020-05-21 20:00 (СEST).
RA1DR1B - [LGN] Legion vs [RA1D] RA1D
Camaunet85
Upper bracket, semi final, 2020-05-21 20:00 (СEST).
3very_Good_Name_Is_Taken - [LOCA] CuteAnimals vs [EG-] END GAME
Fugit555
And we'll all stream the upper bracket following
My stream can be watched at: https://youtu.be/eeYU9vvkkEg
3very is the coin stream and should be watched at https://wotblitz.eu/en/tournaments/#/tournament/233/description/
but if you're not on EU, you can watch at: https://youtu.be/Ltt4TVmfsew
Fugit's stream can be watched at: https://youtu.be/z7cS6b9au3Y
R1Bs stream can be watched at: https://youtu.be/otOn4y7-zVk
flat goblet
@leaden belfry what about the -RGN- team with the numbers
obsidian vine
Fishy your streaming tonight right? If so r u streaming team 1v4 or 2v3
flat goblet
2v3
azure prawn
@azure prawn You should go to the team screen and press "Start battles" button.
@chilly terrace
there is not start battles, only enter button
leaden belfry
NA Spring Season Professionals - Finals Schedule (Round 1):
Below are the necessary links for the NA Finals Streams:
Amaunet's Stream: [PRAMO] - Speed VS [HATED] - Interstellar https://youtu.be/cfqEsA2srB0
To get coins watch the stream on the portal https://wotblitz.com/en/tournaments/#/tournament/306/description/
Fishy's Stream: [RGN] - God Bless Blitz VS [PNCR] Insurgence https://youtu.be/Twj4ZS8mQ6E
Droodles' Stream: [PNCR] - Insurgence VS [RGN] - God Bless Blitz
upper oar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4ZMxAwXKS8 ^ Droodles' stream
chilly hemlock
@leaden belfry @flat goblet thank you guys for streaming!
vague obsidian
Thanks
narrow meteor
yeah thanks guys, especially amaunet for staying up
flat goblet
👌
ashen canopy
Hello
leaden belfry
Honestly, my pleasure. Matches tonight were over too soon, but epic!
normal phoenix
whens the next V-VI tournament?
fast hareBOT
JBBB#8166 was banned
ashen halo
When will the bug be fixed that since update 6.9 in tournaments we cannot get the remainder of the team who are not playing able to spectate?
fast hareBOT
StarX_ShackX-_-#2981 has been warned.
alpine adder
Another reason I was complaining earlier, there are absolutely no teams in Asia.
Skipped round of 16, skipped quarters, might have to skip semis. No teams to fight. But then they think it’s a good idea to not let challengers and profs teams play regulars.
Not one single full group in Asia once more. Two half groups basically.
arctic axle
@alpine adder so you basically went through half of the tournament without encountering teams? lol
chilly terrace
Another reason I was complaining earlier, there are absolutely no teams in Asia.
Skipped round of 16, skipped quarters, might have to skip semis. No teams to fight. But then they think it’s a good idea to not let challengers and profs teams play regulars.
Not one single full group in Asia once more. Two half groups basically.
@alpine adder
If you look at tournaments that were before the season, there were the same situation, because the amount of registration didn't decrease so much. You skipped the quarterfinals because the match of 1/8 finished with technical loses for both teams and it's usual situation as well.
alpine adder
Yes, Skipped 3/5 battles @arctic axle
@chilly terrace I don’t see how “tournaments are always dead because they have bad rewards and aren’t engaging” is a justification for the fact that tournaments are dead because have bad rewards and aren’t engaging.
Also, that is false, the first two tier X coins tournaments had 44 and 37 teams respectively. Which dropped to 20, 23, and 27 after the Prof/Challengers started. That is enough for 2 full groups and then some.
The other difference is that of those 44 most would show up because they belonged to good clans.
Of this 27, 7 wont show up because they don’t know what they’re doing.
Hence my point that more than half of Asia’s active tournament player base are those clans in the top tournaments.
chilly terrace
Yes, Skipped 3/5 battles @arctic axle
@chilly terrace I don’t see how “tournaments are always dead because they have bad rewards and aren’t engaging” is a justification for the fact that tournaments are dead because have bad rewards and aren’t engaging.
Also, that is false, the first two tier X coins tournaments had 44 and 37 teams respectively. Which dropped to 20, 23, and 27 after the Prof/Challengers started. That is enough for 2 full groups and then some.
The other difference is that of those 44 most would show up because they belonged to good clans.
Of this 27, 7 wont show up because they don’t know what they’re doing.
Hence my point that more than half of Asia’s active tournament player base are those clans in the top tournaments.
@alpine adder
And you won't see that, because it's not the truth. I got that your opinion is different, but it doesn't mean that we should give out 5.000 gold/premium tanks/1.000.000 of free experience for each regular tournament. The regular tournaments rewards are high enough and we are not going to increase them.
Going to the next point, activity always decrease from the start of the season to the end of it (it regards all regions, not only ASIA. It's more noticeably on ASIA because of smaller tournament player base).
Finally, statistic shows that percentage of matches that finished by technical win/lose is still plus/minus the same and it depends more on day of the week. You are right, if we allow players from Professional/Challenger to play in these tournaments, it will increase the amount of teams, but it will decrease the amount of new players in these tournaments, because they won't even try to play against the professional teams.
formal pewter
I was invited by MAXIMUS but it seems that the team is gone can i join someone please my first one
left quest
Can I give question?
median mason
Tournament related? Sure
wraith merlin
Fugit is my new favorite e-sportscaster after Bushka and Rolling left..... Bushka is always going to be on Top, I still can't see someone covering that gap......
median mason
Bushka during first Twister... That is impossible to forget. But still RS is IMO the best at commentating
wraith merlin
I remember his incredible ability to fill the dead time with info and nice positivity during the 1st twister cup, due to the technical issues. I also remember Bushkas and Sk8s reactions with MESS1s Grille during the finals (last year). That was golden; a lifelasting memory for me, like the ones in major sports events. I sometimes find RS overwhelmingly talkative, as a result of his zeal to say everything in a short time period. There were times I thought that the guy was rapping instead of commentating (LOL). OFC that was inevitable because of his selflessness to provide more info ASAP and this is greatly appreciated by me. Still my number 2 favorite though, I find Bushkas commendation easier to the ear.
winter swallow
Thanks for the kind words.
Invariably in esports commentary, it is balancing act between tempo, content and relevance.
Truth be told I was always trying to slow my speaking down and stick to common nomenclature for the average Blitz player to be able to follow - but also always trying to keep it highly tournament focused using tournament specific terms and covering what the tournament players would consider mostly relevant.
Bushka is definitely the number one hype guy.
I was the most technically experienced and aware.
Fishy covering NA now has a better comp background than I ever had and Fugit is very lively.
Amaunet’s coverage is balanced on all fronts but very chill.
Ultimately, when someone is monologuing for 2+ hours - you will have a unique experience based on the nature of the person.
tough zenith
What is the algorithm for matching tournaments? (like the season coin/bronze series ones)
wraith merlin
Apparently for some technical reason my previous comment never appeared in the discussion. Anyway, @winter swallow well said mate! Long story short: I would add into the above mentioned balancing act one more factor, which is passion. And I know that all four of them might appear as an oxymoron to some people but, according to my perspective, it is like the essential ingredient to a perfectly executed recipe. PS I don't imply by any means that your commentary lacks passion, quite the contrary. I had to add this for the sake of our conversation.
glass thunder
@tough zenith dépend on tournament type most of them are strongest vs weakest on wr (best 7 on we without count number of battles so rerolls help to give you ez mm)
tropic lotus
@glass thunder i mean wouldn’t they still have to preform well to succeed still. even if they are (in an extreme case) 50%ers behind 70% acc’s for whatever reason facing weaker teams, but then eventually meeting their match
thorn shale
No. The higher wr teams usually get a by. After that, they usually face an easy team so they get another easy win. And once you know it, you’re in semifinals. The system is purposely designed to help the higher wr teams get farther in the tourney. For example, a 70 percent team usually gets a by for the first round. Then they usually play a low 50 percent team for their second match (winner of person below). This guarantees them semi finals where they will probably get obliterated.
fast hareBOT
Huub#6283 has been warned.
leaden belfry
WG has often told me they want me to be more hyped. I've never been an over the top hype person like Bushka and I can't pretend to be hyped when I'm not. I'm also more of an analyzing person so tend to focus on explaining what all is happening and why it's happening. The pro of that is when I do get hyped, I'm genuinely hyped. The con is that that doesn't happen all that often 😂
for every commentator it's a simple fact - you either like the way they commentate or you don't. It depends on what kind of commentary you prefer.
I can't watch Bushka as he's way too hyper for me, and quite frankly he's not great at reading the tactical game and seeing the movements. But I know a lot of people adore his commentary - and let's be honest, the man can make emptying the dishwasher sound interesting with the way he'd talk about it.
None of us can cater to all, there'll always be a portion of the playerbase that loves it and a portion that hates it. And that's fine
leaden belfry
Going live in an hour with the second day of the Finals for the Asia server!
My stream is the coin stream and should be watched at: https://wotblitz.asia/en/tournaments/#/tournament/230/description/
but if you're not on the Asia server, you can watch through youtube at: https://youtu.be/munt0AF_O2o
Fugit's stream can be watched at: https://youtu.be/UqELa5R924M
winter swallow
Meanwhile, in Asia:
fast hareBOT
Gndffxd#7922 has been warned.
thorn shale
Fair play to ID
That last game on Desert Sands was one of the more unique reactions to a town push I’ve seen in CW, but it worked out for them
short tundra
@leaden belfry you have your own commentating style which is good for you. Bushka was a salesman before (if I remember correctly), so he'd be more experienced in hyping 😀 😀 😀
Don't worry each commentators have their own way and I like each approach, whether technical, hyping or chill folksy.
sly hornet
@winter swallow it's all one big conspiracy 😁
winter swallow
@silver vapor 😂
Also - @thorn shale hello, happy weekend. What are the chances of having slow-mode toned down a bit during tournament times?
🙏
silver vapor
gg to -ID-
the BO9 chokes returned for FEAST - the damned tendency to choke so much during BO9s has returned. well played, tho.
wraith merlin
@leaden belfry "he is not great at reading the tactical game and seeing the movements." I partly agree on that, RS was surely better on this aspect as a commentator. But it would be proper not to diminish Bushka as if he knew nothing on the game or the tactics. Anyway, I don't see Bushka returning back to Blitz. Let's all hope that this will NOT be the case for other commentators, pun intended...
winter swallow
@wraith merlin Bushka is a phenomenal hype guy - but speaking as a comp player and guy with literally thousands of commentated games' worth of experience - he knows very little about tournament strategy and tactics. No shade. Most people don't. In the same way that someone who hasn't played above Tier V doesn't understand the intricacies of a Tier X game, someone who hasn't played top level tournaments doesn't understand tournament gameplay.
pale finch
Yeah, Bushka’s commentary is far from top class, his lack of involvement in the comp scene is very obvious.
thorn shale
eh i never rated anything he's said in his videos. he just hypes every premium WG releases and proclaims you must buy it it's amazing. only recently, and only because he doesn't care too much about the game since his profit comes off PUBGM , he has critiqued WG. Droodles,3very,MartinDogger and MeMasterGamer i've learned more from in one video than all the times i wasted watching Bushka
wraith merlin
@winter swallow Firstly I have to clarify that I am not Bushkas advocate. This is purely my perspective on the matter. I have to disagree on your point. I will give you a paradigm with a rhetorical question, just to state my case: How many of the main football commentators have actually played football? Or at any other sport? They do have the basic knowledge of the game but their co-commentators (secondary role or commendate during breaks) are ex athletes or coaches. Each network's purpose is obvious, they have to simplify their presentation to make it accessible to the masses. Just like Blitz players, them being the audience in our case, the majority of them don't have a clue on the tactics. They just want to watch the event, have fun and maybe learn a thing or two. Passion and Delivery (borrowed that one from standup comedy) are the main qualities and not to be underrated guys. Now, reading the comments above, you all guys being unicums (saw you in Tournaments) you represent the minority. You are correct on your comments I have to admit that. Tbh you don't even need a commendator to understand, this is a fact and I am not being sarcastic by any means. BUT could we have a reliable feedback from the thousands of Average Joe's playing the game? This is impossible and you know it.
leaden belfry
But that's the thing though, isn't it? It's a commentator's job to explain what's happening in whatever they're commentating and why. Brian was the most tactical of us and thus spoke especially to the competitive scene watching. More than that, which his overall enthusiasm and gift of the gab, he could draw pretty much anyone in
Imo, that's where Bushka is lacking. His enthusiasm can draw people in, but he won't be able to identify what's happening in the game. Literally say who's moving where - definitely, but he wouldn't be able to explain it like Brian can, for instance
Don't get me wrong - love the man, have met him multiple times and everything. But as far as commentating tournaments goes, he's not "our man" so to speak
pastel tartan
have been reading for a while now in this conv, and i think i have to agree, the need to understand the tactical importance of manoeuvres and decisions really boost a commentary to another level, and rolling is just the best in exactly that aspect
winter swallow
@wraith merlin - Agreed. Football commentators need to understand the game being played to commentate it. Bushka commentating a Blitz tournament parallels to a premiership match being commentated by a very enthusiastic and very oratorically talented person that didn't know what the offside rule is.
What I'm trying to say is, a lot of people think tournament matches are the same as randoms - but categorically they are not. If people think they understand tournament gameplay but have not played in Tier X tournaments and done relatively well, they are prime examples of the Dunning Kreuger effect made manifest.
Edit for clarity - I was a Bushka Patreon for over a year. Man is bloomin' brilliant. I'm just saying, the lack of technically accurate commentary for Blitz is what motivated me into the gig.
thorn shale
i'd say bring MartinDogger in to commentate. he has good knowledge and he knows what he's talking about. i'd also put forward 3very tbh
ashen halo
Most of the commonly recognised YouTubers are there, and remain for a reason. They all bring their own experience, personality, etc. Into their content. each have their own merits, pros/cons but they are all there because they are good in various ways and they bring their own something special into the equation otherwise they would not last long.....Everyone has their own favourites because everyone is different and are perhaps looking for something different from different YouTubers.....I think all of the above, and Sk8 ( am so glad he posted a video today) do a fine, educational job and I jump about their videos depending upon my mood and what am looking for.....all I can say he keep "tubing" and enjoy....p.s. it is after all, only a game we play for fun....I recall one great point from a moderator saying don't get upset too much with your teams, as some of them might just be out with their mum playing whilst she is trying out 10 dresses in a clothes shop and 6 pairs of shoes.....
winter swallow
@thorn shale - There are no CCs at present (excluding R1B and Amaunet) that comprehend tournament gameplay to a suitable level to commentate to an extent that would be expected of an esport.
thorn shale
@thorn shale - There are no CCs at present (excluding R1B and Amaunet) that comprehend tournament gameplay to a suitable level to commentate to an extent that would be expected of an esport.
@winter swallow
i'd debate that, but i don't think this server is the time or place.
pale finch
If you think MartinDogger has any clue about tournaments then idk what to say, lol
winter swallow
@thorn shale - this is the EN tournament channel for WoTB, it is a great [if not the perfect] place to discuss the merits of potential EN WoTB tournament commentators 😂. You are also welcome on my Discord to discuss - which is definitely a good place and will always be the time for it 😉
wraith merlin
@winter swallow Using the Dunning Kruger effect to potentially characterize a huge group of blitz players (the ones that did not play at tier X tournaments) is heavy mate... And with the offsite parallelism you are totally diminishing Bushka. I will put that aside and continue. I will say this, I always admired my professors and their knowledge. Now, being in their position I simply cannot use their rhetoric to tutor my students. It will be an unpleasant experience for them. It is a few Professors and a whole bunch of students. I cannot simplify what I am trying to say further more.
thorn shale
yes perhaps i'll drop by your server. thanks for the invite. i just don't think i should speak about commentators negatively here, as this server has a tendency to mute, and ban for negative comment toward people. @winter swallow again thanks
leaden belfry
Going live in just over an hour with the second day of the Finals for the EU server! We're all starting with Ra1d vs LOCA , and the winner of that will go up against EG-!
My stream can be watched at: https://youtu.be/34sfzTcEmoY
Fugit's stream is the coin stream and should be watched through: https://wotblitz.eu/en/tournaments/#/tournament/233/description/
But if you're not on EU you can watch through youtube at: https://youtu.be/u4tmVRNGqEE
3very's stream: https://youtu.be/8M791EX1XJk
R1B's stream https://youtu.be/weIypyBiyBQ
@thorn shale comments here are fine, negative or positive, as long as they're polite and avoid no-no words.
wraith merlin
Is it allowed to make any predictions? Is it against any rules?
leaden belfry
Predictions yes, spoilers, no, generally
But we have an EU finals tomorrow of LGN vs EG-. Going to be absolutely epic!
crimson plinth
Any youtuber covers CIS tournaments? official notifications in this server only include 3 regions...
wraith merlin
@leaden belfry Yes indeed! Cant wait for that one!
arctic axle
@crimson plinth thats because there is an entirely separate discord for the RU server. This one, on which I am typing this message is for Asia, Eu and Na
leaden belfry
@crimson plinth yes, the russian streamers do
RU server has it's own discord server
that's why you don't see notifications for it here
but the finals tomorrow will be streamed on the Blitz official channels, so keep an eye on those
Us EU streamers can't stream RU, because the times overlap with the EU server tournament times
crimson plinth
Thanks for the answers
wraith merlin
Highlight of the night: K4roleg's Maus ram at Port Bay. As for tomorrow, a neck and neck situation with a slight advantage to LGN. The reason is their unpredictable strategies in some maps. This is the ace up their sleeves. I was really impressed by their FV-4202 lineup at port bay the other day, which worked wonders.
glass thunder
best lgn tactic was 5 sheridan's on port bay
pastel tartan
i prefered the fv's personally, as they are never really used in tour all too much
narrow meteor
give fishy CC, Fishy understands competitive gameplay better than all the other current streamers due to his past experiences in the comp scene
leaden belfry
Going live in half an hour with the second day of the Finals for the NA server!
My stream is the coin stream and should be watched through: https://wotblitz.com/en/tournaments/#/tournament/306/description/
But if you're not on NA, you can watch through youtube at: https://youtu.be/1-yQ4pqE3pU
Fishy's stream: https://youtu.be/4J2V9dt3vzQ
Droodles' stream: https://youtu.be/kqYNotg0p6E
dim nest
chilly hemlock
@carmine solstice per team and your profile picture isn’t allowed here
latent olive
some interesting comments here re:commentating and thanks for the kind words @wraith merlin. Thing I have learned doing this is that as Rolling says you do need to have Tier X tour experience, something I lack at a top level tbf and something I am trying to address (with help from some willing top clans). the likes of 3very, Amaunet and R1B are able to analysis the gameplay a lot better than I can, all I really do is watch a lot of content from these guys and Rolling and bring some of my tiny experience at this level in order to try and convey what may or is happening. As Rolling says I am lively, mainly because I try to cover up my lack of experience with keeping the viewers entertained, which is not as easy as it sounds. There is a reason the Pro teams like Rolling, its because he was able to bring that level of knowledge to the esports, hardly missed any of the action and was entertaining to boot. It is good that there are so many good streamers out there now, of course we can never replace Rolling and his style, experience and knowledge - no one can really - all we can do is our best to bring the action, be knowledgable and entertaining 🙂
latent olive
In case anyone is interested, the EU Challengers Tour Final, WW v W1N, which takes place at the same time as the EU Pro Grand Final, will be streamed by me so feel free to pop in 🙂
versed field
Finnish flash🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮
leaden belfry
I think you're selling yourself short there, hun. After a few seasons of doing this already, you're definitely amongst the 'likes of us' ;)
I find that the more you see the high level play games, the more you start to read them. Especially when you start seeing the callers behind the movements and such
so while my high level play experience has been Phoenix in the first ever Twister when tournaments were still an absolute novelty, and I was mostly benched, I do feel that over time, my insight has gotten a lot better purely because I've been doing this 5 seasons already
latent olive
@versed field you have to be there anyway lol
@leaden belfry Thank you ☺️ oh I am getting the experience thx to some very nice and accommodating clans 🙂 ZNTH have been great in that respect - and of course by watching the other streams 😉
leaden belfry
Going live in just over an hour with the Grand Finals for the Asia server!
My stream is the coin stream and should be watched through:https://wotblitz.asia/en/tournaments/#/tournament/230/description/
But if you're not on Asia, you can watch it through: https://youtu.be/munt0AF_O2o
Fugit's stream can be watched at: https://youtu.be/UqELa5R924M
barren gate
@thorn shale 👋
wicked snow
❤ TJ Best Mexican
analog osprey
@tulip spire is actually the best commentator in the game. He moves very well the camera. He understands easily the game, what is the move for the win, why is this guy on this position, why they can’t cap this base, ... He commends in German. I understand 20% German but I understand 100% when he streams. Sadly he can’t command in English cuz his community is German.
barren gate
Thkss @thorn shale
velvet dome
Everyone excited for professional tourney
What about challengers?? Those guys played hard also.
;-;
velvet dome
@latent olive thanks for streaming the asian server.
Also thanks for the shout-out at the end. Much appreciated.
wraith merlin
@latent olive I have watched the stream yesterday and you did a great job mate! As I said before, I highly rank passion in commentating. I guess my standards and preferences are different, purely as a result of my previous experiences, since I am a little bit older from the majority of the players in the community. PS I forgot to mention that Rolling has by far the best ARTICULATION from all the other commentators. I am surprised that noone else mentioned that earlier...
thorn shale
good job
👍
leaden belfry
Going live in an hour and a half with the Grand Finals of this Spring Season for the EU server!
My stream is the coin stream and should be watched through https://wotblitz.eu/en/tournaments/#/tournament/233/description/
If you want to watch through youtube, it's only on the official channel, not my own: https://youtu.be/DRufB5G95ww
R1B's stream (German) can be watched at: https://youtu.be/syNy2Ro7qz4
Fugit is streaming the Grand Finals of the Challengers at https://youtu.be/CQ-UdnX9Na0
leaden belfry
@ashen loom English only
summer crown
obsidian vine
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latent olive
Just a heads up, the EU Challengers, W1N v WW will be streamed by me - starting in less than 45 mins 🙂
https://youtu.be/CQ-UdnX9Na0
trim portal
I want to enter the championship
velvet pumice
Where is the magic word?
agile depot
😂
wraith merlin
5 - 3 LGN to win
thorn shale
More like 5-1 😉
wraith merlin
Excellent job guys! That Orkaa miss at the end with the E100 was crucial..... We want the cup back home from Minsk! @leaden belfry Great job to you too!
latent olive
oof what a season! I wonder if NA will go 5/1 also in both finals 🤔
Congrats to LGN for winning the GF EU, W1N for winning EU Challengers, ID for Asia GF and K1NG for Asia Challengers :: Its been a great day
timid dock
🙂
leaden belfry
Massive congratulations to LGN for taking it home. Beautiful, but very fast, games tonight!
wraith merlin
EGs strategy to take out the Sheridans with the Leopards was a good idea but very difficult to execute at Vineyards... Also in the 2nd battle at Black Goldville, EGs half team was heavily exposed giving the opening to LGN to attack from the high grounds. The first push at Dynasty's Pearl with the 113s on LGNs Mauses (Mice?) was also a difficult task. To sum up with that Orkaa miss i mentioned above (as an important detail) LGN took the advantage. The rest were judged on little details... PS BTW excellent job by LGN, predicting EGs strategy today (which was an offensive approach to caught LGN by surprise).
leaden belfry
And to W1N too, for taking home the Challengers <3
versed field
❤️ grats for legion
leaden belfry
@wraith merlin LGN predicting what the enemy is doing has been pretty much their thing the whole season. It's been such a joy to watch. That, and absorbing pushes. in the second game, you saw both
serene crystal
really impressed by WinterWar too, they made huge progress this season
wraith merlin
@leaden belfry I saw almost all LGN games, guess who was the sportscaster!!!!!! 😉 And yes, you are absolutely correct on the pushes absorption!
young thicket
😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
thorn shale
👍
Any idea whos streaming NA and what times?
thanks mate @thorn shale
Doodles at 9 pm est
thorn shale
https://m.vk.com/wall-123657457_38209 @chilly terrace what do you think about this? I mean especially the 2nd part of the post where ufpnjh speaks about esport in blitz and the way the tournament was held. I can agree with his opinion and I'd like your opinion especially on how he called all tournaments - "one time promotions".
flat goblet
I agree with those points as well.
gentle sierra
Hmmm
glass thunder
I do agree in many things its bad that teams sleep all times btw the 2 big tournaments its good if we have a good esports tournaments during the year
thorn shale
Agree
versed field
Agree
wraith merlin
I have read this, it was translated from Russian, and some sentences did not make sense at all. An emotional text by all means with a lot of correct arguments. There is one simple answer to this folks. ITS THE BUDGET. The reward that the tournament teams get from the twister cup is PEANUTS. This is unfortunately the truth. Teams from other games have their managers (they take care for everything), they train in suitable environments (not only with the literal meaning), they even have tutors for their school lessons because they will have less to worry about and so on. And guess what, after a defeat or disqualification the team still stays together because they are an organized group. This is the main reason of Blitz's teams disintegrating. Now, comparing the WOTB price with other games is totally unbalanced, especially if we calculate the popularity of the games in strict numbers. And i have to disagree, WOTB tournaments are not in the cybersports category, not even close. Blitz's platform and playerbase is so match different from PC games. Only a fraction of the players use their PC, most of them play on mobile. (And I don't want to hear that mobile devices are small computers, there is still a difference). This is OFC the perfect excuse for Wargaming to reduce the price money of the twister finals. You are not even allowed to participate with a PC in the major tournaments, lets not fool ourselves. Back in the days while I was in the directing committee of a sport in my country, our main concern was the athletes motives. We had to keep them training and participating in events. Apart from the psychological support and the manpower required supporting them, the other major pylon was the financial aspect. Finally, please forgive me for the long text but I do have a lot of spare time due to the coronavirus quarantine....
flat goblet
Blitz not being inclusive to PC should be no excuse for the budget of the mobile esports. As you said, the financial aspect is a decent reason why blitz esports is not very big.
wraith merlin
@flat goblet Exactly my point mate. Just an excuse for cutbacks!
thorn shale
It's not even about having some fancy prize pools of thousands of $$. Just more casual tournaments like the proffesional one, so teams have something to play for more than 3 months each year. For me it's about achieving #1, but some money is a good incentive and it can spice things up. And if not money maybe some tier X premium tank? I'm pretty sure one of the main reasons why wot blitz isn't getting as much attention as other mobile games (not gonna advertise, but people know which ones) is that you can put a lot of time and not get anything out of it. Well those other games also have a community to organize events and manage prize pools, but game needs some "impulse" to develop this. Or maybe I don't understand, since I don't manage any company 🙄 Anyway thanks for the proffesional tournament, I really enjoyed the format this year ❤️ Hope you have some plans to improve tournaments, cause competition is the most important thing about every game.
obsidian vine
They need some sort of tier x as a exclusive comp reward, doesn’t have to be OP but something special that is exclusive. There’s just not enough invectives imo
thorn shale
same pro camo machine goes brrr
versed field
They can do more big tourneys and give like gold for players just more by winning
wraith merlin
They could also reward the MVP of the games guys (extra motive). Don't forget that this is a game played by teams. This would make the players more competitive and perform better. But I insist on the Budget guys. You need support in many ways, other than only training. Financial support is a necessary evil.... Edit: By financial support I mean the players fee, win or lose. Don't forget that you are spending your time and you provide a spectacle, helping Wargaming to be promoted. It is called PROFESSIONALS TOURNAMENT pun intended. Edit 2: Betting is an excellent idea (credits or gold), I would bet on you guys today 100% 👍 @thorn shale
flat goblet
Tier X reward tanks not a good idea imo. For incentive sure, but for balance, yikes
thorn shale
Yeah, something to involve the community would also be perfect. For example beaing able to bet on some team/player in game and get some rewards out of it. This would make more people keep track of tournaments and watch streams = more money from ads. @wraith merlin
obsidian vine
Well it’s doesn’t have to be broken, because if it’s OP that would be a horrible idea. Should of been a 30b, bc it’s not op by any means
leaden belfry
Rewards have always been a thing, tbh. Blitz/WG seems quite behind on prize pools compared to other mobile games
Going live with the Grand Finals for this year's Spring Season for the NA server in an hour.
My stream can be wtached at: https://youtu.be/4lakulbVSng
Fishy's stream can be watched at: https://youtu.be/DFmbNIi7s1U
Droodles' stream is the coins stream today and should be watched at: https://wotblitz.com/en/tournaments/#/tournament/306/description/
but if you're not on NA you can watch through: https://youtu.be/ej6r-uV8uqI
wraith merlin
That was fast....AGAIN!
@flat goblet I have watched your stream after @winter swallow 's recommendation. Excellent job mate, just excellent!
flat goblet
Thank you 😄
leaden belfry
Massive congratulations to Pramo for taking it home on the NA server!
Can't believe the season is over now
feels so unreal
I'd like to point out, btw, that all the champions this Spring Season are 'old' champions
-ID-, MERCY, LGN, PRAMO - all have been champions of their servers before, and in most cases have not been for some seasons, but have now made a comeback
-edit- my bad - Mercy hasn't won before. Got confused there about some offline stuff...
chilly hemlock
@leaden belfry thank you!
obsidian vine
Now we wait for twister and hope this pandemic is over so we have and offline event...
flat goblet
And so it is
thorn shale
Are bronze, silver, and gold tournaments starting with update 7.0?
shrewd iron
@leaden belfry @latent olive thank you for streaming Spring Season, you guys did great!
gleaming pollen
Has mercy ever Been champ before at ru
agile depot
I don’t think so
winter swallow
@obsidian vine I would be willing to bet that an international offline won't be possible/plausible this year. Sadly.
winter swallow
@obsidian vine * ever .... wait, same person but I see two different names. OK I am confused sorry for double tag.
Edit:Oh yes once Covid-19 is wrapped it should return. But this year I would say forget it.
obsidian vine
Sadly, I think ur right, but ever? Nah once corona is over it will prob be back to normal
gleaming pollen
Maybe ru vs eu online finals?
versed field
And bigger money pool
winter swallow
If I were @chilly terrace and @frosty nexus - I would be planning for no international offline this year. Accordingly, I would have the following key points of action:
- Redirect savings on event logistics, personnel costs and overheads into advertising and prize pools.
- Have separate server "Online Twisters".
Keep the Ascent (fix tickets and MM seeding) Tournaments. Keep the Professional and Challenger Tournaments. Then have a weekend long online Twister per server.
flat goblet
Invest in uprising training room mode
versed field
And that online final would be with 4 teams best of 1s both server and second placed gonna need fight with challenger winners to get tourntament. BO 15 and its over weekend
latent olive
@shrewd iron thank you 🙂
some good points made by 7Star tbf - thing is rewards are the main issue. Sponsorship is needed I guess and thats the tricky part, getting a sponsor to invest a wad of cash into a game that whilst it has a healthy player base it doesnt have the player base like WOT PC and as such the audience the sponsor is likely to reach is rather small 😦 Personally WOTB has the potential to be a huge Esports game - it is fast paced, exciting viewing and pretty easy to follow as a viewer. Yes the run up can be a long grind but this is no different to many other type of professional events. The MM and tickets area, like Rolling points out, need to be revamped. Having 1 main event (offline Twister intl) each year isnt a bad thing, but maybe more should be done individual server wise - but then we come right back to rewards 😦
winter swallow
@latent olive where did 7STAR say what?
latent olive
@winter swallow it wasnt the entire clan, but I dont have a Russian keyboard - here I think - postred by Last|LGN https://m.vk.com/wall-123657457_38209
gleaming pollen
That is ufpnjh's opinion, no?
winter swallow
@latent olive thanks mate - he has some great insights (thanks also to Google Translate tbh) - I disagree on a few points but he really does a good job of showing 100% sportsmanship and professionalism.
latent olive
@gleaming pollen yes, but I couldnt spell that lol
gleaming pollen
Well it might Be also The 7stars opinion since he IS The team captain
latent olive
@winter swallow tbf google translate did help - yes he penned a rather nice synopsis there I thought
thorn shale
That was a well written piece from ufpnjh. While some of it was lost in translation I do agree with his point that the qualifying stage of this tournament was too long and that there is often too much of a time gap between major tournaments. (Although I understand that WG have a limited amount of resources that they will allocate to tournaments)
upper oar
Ufpnjh’s post was pretty well thought out and written professionally. I do hope there’s a chance for some of that stuff to be considered
glass thunder
@thorn shale what you mean by resources ? If money its ok to make big tournaments btw majors (spring and twister) without money prizes just cool rewards that motivate good teams to play
chilly terrace
https://m.vk.com/wall-123657457_38209 @chilly terrace what do you think about this? I mean especially the 2nd part of the post where ufpnjh speaks about esport in blitz and the way the tournament was held. I can agree with his opinion and I'd like your opinion especially on how he called all tournaments - "one time promotions".
@thorn shale
I'll answer point by point since I think that it will be easier to read answers in this way. Also I'll cut back his messages but leave the original meaning:
- "The Blitz cybersport is one time promotion. I think Blitz is needed more tournaments such as Professionals."
The rest message is about why it's not so good for teams. Every point that he mentioned is known for us and we have never forgotten about each of this points.
Seasons and major tournaments are things that take many different resources. We would like to spend more tournaments such as Professionals and we try to make it real. So if you see some amount of big tournaments in a year, it's maximum amount that we can do for this year. - "2 months season is too much. We would like to play in one."
It's questionable. They would like to play short intensive qualifiers, but I'm not really sure that all rest teams are thinking the same. - "Maps. I don't think that such maps as Rockfield, Black Goldville and Winter Malinovka must be played in tournaments."
And again it's quite questionable.
thorn shale
I do agree with his comment about maps
chilly terrace
@thorn shale what you mean by resources ? If money its ok to make big tournaments btw majors (spring and twister) without money prizes just cool rewards that motivate good teams to play
@glass thunder
In-game resources also have their value. And don't forget about human-resources.
leaden belfry
Thank you for translating, Artem! =) much appreciated!
thorn shale
@chilly terrace I was going to say. Has your team considered making tournaments without $$$ prize pools but instead offering exclusive tier 10 reward vehicles?
vital obsidian
The rating concept could easily be developed to thrill in offseason
leaden belfry
He makes some very good points. Qualifiers should definitely be shorted - at the same time I do want to stress that that should not necessarily mean more play-days per week. Just a shorter Qualifier overall
Pace wise, I did like this structure. It was possible to stream a lot, but I also think this gave the teams time to breathe and have their lives alongside the tournament - this was very different last twister, which was way too busy
chilly terrace
I do agree with his comment about maps
@thorn shale
Could you explain why?
thorn shale
All of the maps he mentioned are very small and often have very small areas in which brawls take place.
chilly terrace
He makes some very good points. Qualifiers should definitely be shorted - at the same time I do want to stress that that should not necessarily mean more play-days per week. Just a shorter Qualifier overall
@leaden belfry
They cannot be shorter without increasing play-days, it's math. Then fewer tournaments we do, then more teams will be at the same places in Hall of Fame. Just remind how leaderboard looks like after the half of tournaments.
thorn shale
Maps like Winter Malinovka and Black Goldville have huge areas of the map that are never used simply because of the way the caps are located it makes the corners useless, and Rockfield is just a tiny map in general.
leaden belfry
Yes, but the ascent tournaments are flawed as they are, especially with the ticket system being as it is. We know that's going to change (I will hold you to your promise that what FBI and Ra1d pulled this season can't happen next season), but the cups system as is is flawed as well.
I'm going to gather info from the clans to see if we can think of a better qualifier method that'd work for both you, and us
winter swallow
@chilly terrace I agree with you about season length for qualifiers and also map pool. More maps = better in my opinion.
However, do you remember my system for scoring teams uniquely within one group from 1-16 in terms of cups awarded? That would mean that qualifiers could be shorter.
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace I agree with you about season length for qualifiers and also map pool. More maps = better in my opinion.
However, do you remember my system for scoring teams uniquely within one group from 1-16 in terms of cups awarded? That would mean that qualifiers could be shorter.
@winter swallow
We wanted to implement it (with some changes), but, unfortunately, we had to get back with previous one due to technical features of tournament system.
winter swallow
That's fair. But it's good you looked into it.
glass thunder
So there is limited humans ressources (devs) can work on tournaments development ?
gleaming pollen
Well of course there is only Limited number of humans living on this planet
glass thunder
By limited i mean few members are working on tournaments development
from coding perspective its should not be hard to change system
Only if it’s not a priority for wg
leaden belfry
We wanted to implement it (with some changes), but, unfortunately, we had to get back with previous one due to technical features of tournament system.
@chilly terrace is this something wg can look into and get working for next season? Or is it an impossibility?
winter swallow
@glass thunder - WG priority is CIS server. Tournament format design caters to this size of player base, and is scaled down (maximum number of teams allowed to participate in a major series = 512 CIS, 256 EU, 128 NA, 64 Asia) for other servers.
If WG could implement my idea though, it would be a huge boost to tournaments long-term.
Strongest vs Weakest (SW) Match-Making (MM) is very good at sorting best teams into the finals, but sucks for new teams. At present, the "worst" team will play the "strongest" team in a Best of 3 (Bo3) and then be out. That is a rubbish experience for 10 people all on voice chat trying to play a tournament. Especially in Single Elimination (SE).
The SW MM over Bo3 SE system used in Ascents can be kept if the losers are funneled down into loser brackets without the chance to face winners from the previous round.
Take a group of 16. Winning 8 Advance as per usual. BUT the losing 8 advance into "another group" of 8. Keep repeating this process over each of the 4 rounds before the finals and the end result is that EVERY team has played 5x Bo3 and you have ALL teams scored from rank 1 to 16. Teams can be awarded a unique cup score. No one has a 5 minute long tournament. Everyone plays more games. Players get more experience. More wins. More validation - and come back for more.
upper oar
Also, and this is just my opinion: teams that are sorted by winrate should be sorted by 90-day winrate for each player, assuming a minimum of 100 battles. If there aren’t 100 battles in that period, than career winrate would be used. Preferably this would be in the Tier of which the tournament is taking place, but I understand if that’s not feasible. This way, the winrate more accurately reflects the skill of the player in the moment, and previous stats from years ago don’t impact this.
glass thunder
or if its possible sort players on wr for the last 10k battels at tier x so like this rerolls still can play and they cant push team wr + players start to improve and not make rerolls
winter swallow
also, and this is just my opinion: teams that are sorted by winrate should be sorted by 90-day winrate for each player, assuming a minimum of 100 battles. if there aren’t 100 battles in that period, than career winrate would be used. Preferably this would be in the Tier of which the tournament is taking place, but I understand if that’s not feasible. that way, the winrate more accurately reflects the skill of the player in the moment, and previous stats from years don’t impact this
@upper oar I really like this idea. 90 day Tier X WR seeds the team. I'd go a step further and exclude accounts below 5,000 battle from affecting the team's overall seeding for Tier X battles. Reason for this is newbie MM creates its own artificially high WRs because players under 5k battles are more likely to meet only players also under 5k battles - so rerolls have a much easier time putting out better stats.
@glass thunder 10k might be too high for genuinely new players though.
WG could do a BIG brain move and seed clans by their average rating score 😂
latent olive
@winter swallow Ave Ratings score would be a good way to go maybe
upper oar
i was considering 30 day but it seems too short-term. 90 seems optimal as it can’t be padded as easily, and good players will have more or less the same winrate for all of their recents
glass thunder
you can't count 90 / 30 days wr some players play rank or just don't play the game till big tournaments ( like majority of top eu players ) so it's better to count last n battles
yeah 10k maybe a lot so maybe last 5k battles at tier X and as rolling said most important to not count the 5k battles because its in newbie mm
vagrant phoenix
Or just factor in total battles to the current system so people with like 1 battle 100% wr wont affect the team wr at all.
chilly terrace
We wanted to implement it (with some changes), but, unfortunately, we had to get back with previous one due to technical features of tournament system.
@chilly terrace is this something wg can look into and get working for next season? Or is it an impossibility?
@leaden belfry
It's quite unlikely that it will happen this year.
thorn shale
Why is the system bad though? I believe all top 4 teams from proffesional tournamens in CIS/EU/NA/ASIA are the best teams from those servers.
gleaming pollen
We could have a swiss tournaments type of qualifiers too. How they seed
- divide teams to strongest to weakest cut in The middle and face The strongest teams from both groups
- Then The teams who won and teams who Lost would Make a group and repeat step 1)
- now teams with 2 wins would Make a group and teams with 1 wictory etc.
This would Be great For weaker teams beacause they get More games than now and eventually Every team would face of against roughly similar level teams :)
gentle sierra
System bad if my team doesnt make it in !!!!!@thorn shale
System was perfect imo in determining the actual top 8 in twister , but people complained that the ascents were too many , i found the current ascent period boring cause you played twice a week instead of the 4 times last season , and as we saw in this season it wasn't really successful when teams like w1n were in the challengers
gleaming pollen
Well tbf we did pretty poorly in The ascents so idk
winter swallow
@thorn shale Maybe - except RA1D were actually knocked out during the Ascents and had to use a loophole to participate. So at the very least, that should be fixed so it is harder for people to cheat to qualify.
Do not misunderstand me. RA1D are a top 8 calibre team. However, there are now more than 8 teams in EU that are top 8 calibre. So as far as I am concerned - the system this season was flawed because the results of the Ascents were corrupted by probably the worst level of sportsmanship I have seen in the game since EZ- and account sharing.
wintry hound
The system was good, but the loophole must be fixed + the thing where u lose 1 game and ur suddenly out of top 8 even tho u were 2nd
tidal snow
imo the seeding according to overall winrate of the team is a bad seeding system, because for example Kollaa which has blue wr but not by much.. so we had to face like RA1D 2-3 times in the top4 of bracket ascent tournaments (not cool) and once in regular ascent (this is fine). And just because our winrates matched, also this winrate system means that imo it will be hard for us to get in the top 8 by current point system wise.. and we just barely, and i mean literally barely we finished top 16 before Challengers.. but still when the Challengers began we went 6-1 series wise before Challengers Finals week.. and came 2nd overall in Challengers, and slightly lost to W1N (5-1 but 3 games were really close from the games we lost)
versed field
Everyone have own opinions and point of view what is tight. But atleast we have great games. Ww showed they really belong to grand finals in challengers💪🇫🇮
tidal snow
also, rewards for the finals for Challenger have arrived.. but the camo hasn't what's the situation with those? they take longer to reward or something else?
pale finch
I agree with some of the points that were made by upfnjh ( spelling? ) I think that 2 months of effort is too long, I think qualifiers should be maximum two weeks long, I’m sure the system could be improved somehow. Most teams that are in the top 8 will practice 5-7 days every week anyways, might as well play out the tournaments during a shorter duration. I also agree on that hosting more frequent major tournaments ( maybe 4? ) a year would be healthy for the competitive scene, personally money is irrelevant for me, I’m here because I enjoy the game and I enjoy playing in the competitive scene of it. For example tier 10 premium / collector tanks would also be a very nice reward. Let’s say one tournament in February-March, one in April-May, one in July-August and one in October-November with the offline following would be very healthy and would definitely make more people interested in the competitive scene. Although I would very much like to see an increase in the prize pools it’s not essential to keep players motivated and there are other ways to achieve this. @chilly terrace.
glass thunder
@tidal snow its one camo for one tank
tidal snow
wasn't asking that but okay
fallow raptor
Wg sometimes slow on giving out the rewards for example ratings sometimes@tidal snow
chilly hemlock
@pale finch I miss when winning spring season meant a trip to an NA offline
tidal snow
@fallow raptor yes but the rewards have been given out, only the camo is missing.. so are they changing or something about the camo?
thorn shale
@chilly hemlock tbf Amazon were the ones who axed Mobile Masters not WG. And WG won’t entirely fund NA based offline
:/
chilly hemlock
Should have kept them imo
chilly terrace
also, rewards for the finals for Challenger have arrived.. but the camo hasn't what's the situation with those? they take longer to reward or something else?
@tidal snow
They will be given out this week. Camo are given out separately from other rewards.
woven meadow
@iraik
chilly hemlock
Hmm that’s not bad actually
woven meadow
Looks pretty hawt yeah. The guys on the team are hoping they don’t just get 1 cert though. The camo is the only thing they care about 🤣
winter swallow
@tiny berry That isn't math, it is conceptual analytics. 2016 was a two horse race between PHNX and LGN. 2017 was still LGN in front but there were a few other teams punching at top level. 2018 when RA1D won, there was ER0S, R2K-, -1- and someone else that could all resonably be called viable top 8 contenders from the outset. 2019 was even closer - probably all teams [in the top 8] but NAV1N were considered as within a good chance of making the Top 4.
Now in Spring 2020, just off the Ascent results alone, you see F-B-I, -W1N- and RA1D all fail to qualify for the Top 8 Professionals by performance. That is three teams that were very strong in past seasons.
This year so far, in my opinion, there are at least 12 teams that could have made Top 8 reasonably. That isn't to say they'd smash it once they got there, but my point is they could all definitely hang.
I believe, and also hope, that scenarios like RES in 2018 is a thing of the past.
Of course we did have an 0-7 IMM0R this year... 😬
thorn shale
🍉
winter swallow
@chilly hemlock tbf Amazon were the ones who axed Mobile Masters not WG. And WG won’t entirely fund NA based offline
@thorn shale
I think if there is not going to be an offline Twister 2020, WG could consider having larger cash prizes per server. I would split this as per ratio of Twister team allocations: 512 CIS / 256 EU /128 NA and 64 Asia. Controversial but also fair and logical in terms of player base sizes and business objectives.
glass thunder
FBI with the 2 top 4 finish at ticket tournament + 1 win they didn't make it even with the help of k4(extra 2300 points ) and all this cause FBI did play in non ticket tournament vs EG , apa and lgn one time and in semifinal of non ticket tournament only win FBI got in ticket tournament was vs Immor and for w1n they played manytimes vs lgn cause the seeding system is not random so if you have same teams always you get same matches for WW they are really good but sadly always will be hard for them to make it to top 8 because of team wr only if they use rerolls some how the game system want you to make reroll ( and you must spend money to make good reroll)
thorn shale
The way teams were matched up in this Spring tournament was really weird.
hardy prairie
Agreed. Twister online finals should have a considerably larger prize pool to compensate for not having an offline. How they would split the money per server is a good question.
thorn shale
I just wish there was a chance for my team to get tickets during twister. We cannot possibly get past round two as it will probably always be against a top 4 team. It is really annoying. I mean 2 matches against good teams is a good learning experience, but it completely ruins our chance to get top 16
wraith merlin
I think that we forgot to mention an important point. A lot of the players (at least in the EU server) had a lot of free time due to the coronavirus quarantine. A lot of pro players returned this year to the game for this reason because they did not have anything else to do. I have to clarify that, they refuse to play the game normally (we all know the reasons, let's not fool ourselves) the only thing that makes them excited and their adrenaline pumping are the tournaments. I am really curious to see what will happen in the years to come under - hopefully - different circumstances. My prediction is that the number of pro players and teams will be inevitably reduced. And tbh I don't see a new breed of pro players coming into Blitz with the current state...
upper oar
@tiny berry i understand your frustration but let’s not spread drama here
narrow meteor
@thorn shale imagine if WG had chosen Red Bull as their sponsor
civic glacier
The Twister drink made my stomach hurt
thorn shale
I like tournaments
versed field
We faced legion 3 times sadly we were capable beat them once. They are good as we can see. but see you guys again in twister 😉 and i can agree the fact we werent that good team yet to get top 1 but my eyes is in twister
pallid raven
Did I miss the mad games tournament, or has it not happened
flat goblet
Hasn't happened
thorn shale
They should have brought realistic tourneys back. That was fun
woven meadow
It was fun when you had more that 10 minutes to register*
winter swallow
Mad Games tournaments are pending technical issues.
Key issue with one off mode tournaments is that for actual tournaments players there is no value in them so you won't see the same level of dedication and strat crafting if they show up which is heart breaking.
carmine solstice
@winter swallow There won’t be any strats past focus fire and preference in which abilities you pick. It’d be fun for 1 night maybe. But it’s basically like a normal mad games battle
winter swallow
@carmine solstice mad games abilities are pre set by tank. Also if there was a prize pool worth the time, it would be far more strategically diverse than regular tournament gameplay.
carmine solstice
@winter swallow I mean the additional abilities you get after you die. Yeah if rewards were decent obviously people would play but I can’t see strats working out when people can go invisible and drive past you unseen haha
winter swallow
@carmine solstice mad games are not uprising....
silver vapor
🤦♂️
flat goblet
😂
silver vapor
sorry guys, my clones down at E7 aren't the sharpest 😅
carmine solstice
Erm.... I think it’s obvious that I was just testing rolling. Can confirm you passed. Well done. @silver vapor Yes I am blunt boi. Also I did not enjoy the name change. I think it was more confusing for us than anyone else lol
hushed yarrow
"Maddox clone 1 change position"
"Which clone"
E7's voice comms probably
graceful jetty
No it was more like ME run away and MU keep pushing etc. We didnt manage to memorise who changed to which letter. We stopped trying to say the entire name cause most sounded very similar to eachother. It was hilarious when we would be like Middix just ignore that guy and Meddex would be wtf?
Yea it was worth it lol
winter swallow
Was funny though
fallow raptor
Lmao the comms be like confusion 100
frigid aurora
Not quite sure about the exact topic that was being discussed cus couldn’t read it all here, but the system of this tournament was stupid indeed. In 2019 professionals tournament, which er0s won, we almost lost to -US- in qualifying stage where veyter in is-4 had to do a 1500 hp vs 3k hp 1 v 2 carry. And if he didn’t? We wouldn’t have won and EU would have lost their champion. Speaking about Professionals tournament 2020: RA1D lost one game to -WW- that basically would have knocked them out of the top 8 if they didn’t do the brrrr ticket machine. LGN in midseason or qualifiers lost to w1n and even rdx, and what if exactly that game was crucial? what if it would have been knocked out? What if eu would have lost their current champion, again?
My point is that this system is very unreliable because it does not sort teams based on stable constant performance but based on a single-moment result, which can be basically one game. And nobody would argue that to sort teams usually u consider performance within a perspective of not one single moment: victory or defeat, but a certain amount of time. The current state of things is extremely unreliable and random. Everyone can have unlucky game, ping, bad mood, u can never win every single time, there are always defeats and if the only defeat u have knocks u out of the tournament completely, which u can’t predict - now this sucks
chilly terrace
Not quite sure about the exact topic that was being discussed cus couldn’t read it all here, but the system of this tournament was stupid indeed. In 2019 professionals tournament, which er0s won, we almost lost to -US- in qualifying stage where veyter in is-4 had to do a 1500 hp vs 3k hp 1 v 2 carry. And if he didn’t? We wouldn’t have won and EU would have lost their champion. Speaking about Professionals tournament 2020: RA1D lost one game to -WW- that basically would have knocked them out of the top 8 if they didn’t do the brrrr ticket machine. LGN in midseason or qualifiers lost to w1n and even rdx, and what if exactly that game was crucial? what if it would have been knocked out? What if eu would have lost their current champion, again?
My point is that this system is very unreliable because it does not sort teams based on stable constant performance but based on a single-moment result, which can be basically one game. And nobody would argue that to sort teams usually u consider performance within a perspective of not one single moment: victory or defeat, but a certain amount of time. The current state of things is extremely unreliable and random. Everyone can have unlucky game, ping, bad mood, u can never win every single time, there are always defeats and if the only defeat u have knocks u out of the tournament completely, which u can’t predict - now this sucks
@frigid aurora
The same old story. This system isn't based on one moment. This system based on 8 tournaments (not one) with different bracket. To be honest any team in any system depends on ping, bad mood, unlucky game, slight mistakes etc. But the best team is this one that allows to happen much less amounts of negative factors.
Regarding yours "what if": if any if these things happened, it would mean that there would be more stable team in top-8.
thorn shale
If a team is expected to win every single qualifying game to be able to qualify for top 8, than the qualifiers should really be Bo5 not Bo3 in my opinion@chilly terrace
Because if a qualifying system takes place over the course of an entire month and 1-2 losses across an entire month can derail a team from top 8, than how is Bo3 acceptable in a system where each match is so important?
chilly terrace
If a team is expected to win every single qualifying game to be able to qualify for top 8, than the qualifiers should really be Bo5 not Bo3 in my opinion@chilly terrace
Because if a qualifying system takes place over the course of an entire month and 1-2 losses across an entire month can derail a team from top 8, than how is Bo3 acceptable in a system where each match is so important?
@thorn shale
We have discussed this already. Your main mistake that you think that Bo3 is not acceptable. Ok, regarding old qualifiers, it's true. But you must consider whole system. There are 8 tournaments with Bo3 and strongest-weakest in the first stage (non-ticketed tournaments) and the first 4 places advance to the next stage . And whole system is nice. I don't see any team in top-8 that didn't deserve to be there less then teams from top-16.
And the second big mistake: you think, that we expect that team win every single qualifying game, but it's truth. You should win such amount of games that allows you to be higher than other teams. If it means "win every single game", it literally means that "competition is so high that you can't allow your team lose any single game"
solar crown
How do we join tournament?
half urchin
@thorn shale
We have discussed this already. Your main mistake that you think that Bo3 is not acceptable. Ok, regarding old qualifiers, it's true. But you must consider whole system. There are 8 tournaments with Bo3 and strongest-weakest in the first stage (non-ticketed tournaments) and the first 4 places advance to the next stage . And whole system is nice. I don't see any team in top-8 that didn't deserve to be there less then teams from top-16.
And the second big mistake: you think, that we expect that team win every single qualifying game, but it's truth. You should win such amount of games that allows you to be higher than other teams. If it means "win every single game", it literally means that "competition is so high that you can't allow your team lose any single game"
@chilly terrace
the point is not every game is worth the same. the thursday quarterfinal is the most important game of your whole qualifier. so its not that u have to win every single game in 8 tours, just have to win 4 bo3 on thursday. everything more is additional.
so basically at first these 4 games decide about your placement, afterwards its your overall performance
just my point of view
edit: bruhh 5min cool-down?! o.o
chilly hemlock
Imagine having to win every tournament to qualify for top 8 but only winning 3 games to make top 4
Honestly why not change the cup distribution so that way there’s more of a difference from 1st to 2nd and so on? That way if you win 6/8 or 7/8 you have more of a safety net
A team coming 2-3 every tournament and wins 1 shouldn’t make top 8 because a team that’s won 7/8 misses out on one ticketed tournament
From how I’m reading things, top clans are looking for a little more forgiving system and who could blame them
half urchin
other thing, i would change the qualifier by removing the tickets. yeah, pls hear me on.
you make 8 tournaments, but every tournament in worth the same. next thing, you can use double elimination instead of single, with this you may also keep the wr seeding (but with improvements; wr per last xy battles, etc.)
so after 8 tournaments you have your leaderboard. to minimize the coincidence of having ping, ammorack, bad day or what so ever, the worst result of every team will not be evaluated.
imo that should work fine, and i dont think there will be so many clans with the same amount of cups. if this case really happens, you still have you decider tournament in the back hand.
if someone already came up with this idea, sorry for repeating it
chilly hemlock
^^^ you miss one ticket tournament and you are nearly guaranteed to miss top 8
thorn shale
^^^ Facts. I know you are referring to scamo. It’s dumb how you get knocked out and then your chance at top 8 is gone.
versed field
System is pretty good with little changes to that if your team loses tickets that they cant get players from other clans with tickets and get cups for their clan. and then reroll seeding system that players with 100% and 1 battle does not calculate just a number with effecting whole team wr in seeding without looking battles(thats fact you can check some clans how they skipped first games in tourtaments with lower than 64 team avg wr). I really hope atleast these changes are coming and for that there should be just 8 tourtaments without tickets why you didnt point that last twister season. Its because you won the games that was needed bests usually win. I think its point why there is ticketted tourtaments atm.
tidal snow
other thing, i would change the qualifier by removing the tickets. yeah, pls hear me on.
you make 8 tournaments, but every tournament in worth the same. next thing, you can use double elimination instead of single, with this you may also keep the wr seeding (but with improvements; wr per last xy battles, etc.)
so after 8 tournaments you have your leaderboard. to minimize the coincidence of having ping, ammorack, bad day or what so ever, the worst result of every team will not be evaluated.
imo that should work fine, and i dont think there will be so many clans with the same amount of cups. if this case really happens, you still have you decider tournament in the back hand.
if someone already came up with this idea, sorry for repeating itthis seems like a decent system, far far better than what we have currently
velvet dome
I would like to share my own experiences with the recent tourneys, particularly challengers tourney.
Firstly, rolling said above that this time there were more teams of top 8 calibre in each server, even Asia for what it's worth. But the rewards for the tournament feel more like a punishment for it if I'm honest. Yes it's not as big as professional tourneys but teams still played their heart out same as those in the professional.
My point here is, perhaps improve rewards for the challengers tourney or give rewards which make sense.
Secondly, and this only applies in Asia, but we only had 7 teams register for the challengers tourney because one of the top 16 groups disbanded. My question is, if such case we're to occur in the future, is there anyway for WG to be able to give the top team in the bronze category permission to play in the challengers? This season the 17th placed team collected 1000 cups lower than the 16th placed team.
glass thunder
just change points system don't give free 2300 cups for just who play ticket tournament that 2300 cup make big difference you can win 3 tickets tournaments and don't get ticket for last one and you will be out from top 8
we had one tournament in old system so one chance for upset and new system give 4 chances to go out
but most important thing is seeding system once in non ticket tournament we had EG APA and FBI all those 3 teams at that point were top 4 in rank
chilly terrace
other thing, i would change the qualifier by removing the tickets. yeah, pls hear me on.
you make 8 tournaments, but every tournament in worth the same. next thing, you can use double elimination instead of single, with this you may also keep the wr seeding (but with improvements; wr per last xy battles, etc.)
so after 8 tournaments you have your leaderboard. to minimize the coincidence of having ping, ammorack, bad day or what so ever, the worst result of every team will not be evaluated.
imo that should work fine, and i dont think there will be so many clans with the same amount of cups. if this case really happens, you still have you decider tournament in the back hand.
if someone already came up with this idea, sorry for repeating it
@half urchin
And I've explained this already too. The good qualifier system is this one that is balanced between time consumption, a fair determination of the best teams, and the ability to not allow several clans to be in the same place.
Again the main problem that you think that there won't be so many clans on the same place.
Firstly, when we make decision we don't do that based on thinking only. We use math model to calculate this.
Secondly, your model is so time-consuming. Or not, if we reduce amount of teams in the group. But if we did it, it would so much teams on the same place after all 8 tournaments.
Thirdly, our goal is not seeing "not so much" clans on the same position in top-16. Our goal is seeing only two/four such clans on all regions per season. And current system is the most balanced by the parameters above that we could implement for now.
And finally. Top clans want more forgiving system, it's the truth. But, generally, competitive gaming is not about forgiving. Sad but true.
half urchin
sorry i dont invest hours into doing the maths for my suggestion of a better qualifier system for a game i not get paid for
chilly terrace
sorry i dont invest hours into doing the maths for my suggestion of a better qualifier system for a game i not get paid for
@half urchin
But we did it instead of you, when we were implementing the new system. And the most acceptable option you can see in seasons right now.
half urchin
sorry to bother again, sorry when you will get triggered to read the same comments over and over again.
what if (yes again i didnt do any maths behinde it, but thinking about 256 registered clans) you pick my system, like i mentioned it above. do it for 2 weeks (4 tournaments) after this u pick the top 64 teams which advance to the next two weeks of qualifier.
so you can have more groups in the first two weeks, less time investement, but still dont have to bother about more than 4 clans having the same amount of cups cause 64 teams advancing to week 3-4 (it should be fine with more than 4 clans having same amount of cups, yes.. no maths done)
last time i will bother you
frigid aurora
The same old story. This system isn't based on one moment. This system based on 8 tournaments (not one) with different bracket. To be honest any team in any system depends on ping, bad mood, unlucky game, slight mistakes etc. But the best team is this one that allows to happen much less amounts of negative factors. Regarding yours "what if": if any if these things happened, it would mean that there would be more stable team in top-8.
@chilly terrace I understand what u mean but u try to decline obvious things. Yes, there are 8 tournaments where u participate and either win or lose. All top clans go head to head and need to finish top 1 - top 3 of every of such tournaments to be able to appear in top 8. And as it stands, some top clans who have been winning before every single tournament finishing top 1 - top 2 like raid, because of 1 defeat to WW, who got matched as their first opponent, finish at the end of the list. Their cups were now significantly below top 8 and they wouldn’t have cameback even if they wanted to. And then u say it all doesn’t come to 1 game? Okay, maybe not one game, u win, u lose, u have 8 tournaments. But understand this - the problem is not in the amount of tournaments but in the composition of those tournaments: matchmaking, format and the main thing imo - spread of cups that each team earns for a certain place in the tournament. Twister format is the best, that’s what community is trying to tell u, these experiments 2nd time in prof tourney create disbalance that 2 stronger teams r in danger of being out because of 1 game.
And about the “if”s, u think any other clan like RDX or W1N would have performed more stable than us? Or maybe -WW- > RA1D in terms of stability? It’s the same as assuming that IMMOR were stable in this professionals 😂 with all respect ur statements show u don’t play tournaments and don’t feel what we, competitive players with experience, do
glass thunder
yes if the same top 8 teams stay the best 8 teams in server
why try make new teams go it thx to rerolls or try kick one of those top team by not forgiving system
versed field
See you in twister whop
frigid aurora
maybe in qualification stage... but we don’t play challengers or low echelons tournaments, so i doubt
chilly terrace
sorry to bother again, sorry when you will get triggered to read the same comments over and over again.
what if (yes again i didnt do any maths behinde it, but thinking about 256 registered clans) you pick my system, like i mentioned it above. do it for 2 weeks (4 tournaments) after this u pick the top 64 teams which advance to the next two weeks of qualifier.
so you can have more groups in the first two weeks, less time investement, but still dont have to bother about more than 4 clans having the same amount of cups cause 64 teams advancing to week 3-4 (it should be fine with more than 4 clans having same amount of cups, yes.. no maths done)
last time i will bother you
@half urchin
It's impossible to determine just 64 teams (not more or less) by 4 tournaments. Well, not impossible, but near it. It will be the huge luck, if we can see only 64 best clans after 4 tournaments.
tropic lotus
🤦 rexy...
half urchin
dont know whether its luck, cause you have double elimination in these tournaments. and tbh there are not more than, lets say 32 "competetive" clans on the eu server. so this system tries to pick the top 64 in the first two weeks.
but nevermind i will leave this discussion now
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace ...And as it stands, some top clans who have been winning before every single tournament finishing top 1 - top 2 like raid, because of 1 defeat to WW, who got matched as their first opponent, finish at the end of the list. Their cups were now significantly below top 8 and they wouldn’t have cameback even if they wanted to. And then u say it all doesn’t come to 1 game? Okay, maybe not one game, u win, u lose, u have 8 tournaments. But understand this - the problem is not in the amount of tournaments but in the composition of those tournaments: matchmaking, format and the main thing imo - spread of cups that each team earns for a certain place in the tournament. Twister format is the best, that’s what community is trying to tell u, these experiments 2nd time in prof tourney create disbalance that 2 stronger teams r in danger of being out because of 1 game.
And about the “if”s, u think any other clan like RDX or W1N would have performed more stable than us? Or maybe -WW- > RA1D in terms of stability? It’s the same as assuming that IMMOR were stable in this professionals 😂 with all respect ur statements show u don’t play tournaments and don’t feel what we, competitive players with experience, do
@frigid aurora
When RA1D was in this situation, I went to check leaderboard and found out that clans on the first places wouldn't be knocked out from top-8, even if they missed one ticketed tournament. What does mean? It means that they did enough to deserve one more chance to stay in top-8. With all respect your statements show that you want to make qualifiers more comfortable and easier for you as tournament player. Our statements are about to determine the best teams.
I see your point, but you shouldn't wait huge changes in it. We count that the current cups distribution is good. May be we'll slight change it, especially in the ticketed part, but it won't be huge changes.
glass thunder
@chilly terrace do we expect changes on wr system or will stay the same ?
chilly terrace
dont know whether its luck, cause you have double elimination in these tournaments. and tbh there are not more than, lets say 32 "competetive" clans on the eu server. so this system tries to pick the top 64 in the first two weeks.
but nevermind i will leave this discussion now
@half urchin
The biggest problem is not having the same places into one group. The biggest problem is having more than one group. For instance, we have 128 teams for each tournament. We split them into 8 teams in a group and we get 16 groups. It means 16 teams that have 1st place, 16 teams that have 2nd place etc. And it means 16 teams on the same place after the first tournament.
@chilly terrace do we expect changes on wr system or will stay the same ?
@glass thunder
I can't definitely answer it now.
frigid aurora
I understand, but the difficult part in any tournament is not... qualification. It is top 8, where there are absolutely no problems in terms of organization. And I won’t be mistaken if I speak for others, that everyone from the teams enjoyed this stage in all aspects. But about qualifications- at first situation was equal: raid played sometimes eg, sometimes veil, sometimes won, sometimes lost, and it was being ok until their games vs -WW- which changed everything bcus they didn’t have many cups due to previous mistakes. If u take situation with us - we were closer to the top because we showed stronger performance, but that’s all about distribution of top 8. Some potential leader of the chart wins vs eg, wins vs raid, and can afford to vs -ww-. Some other top 8 clan is performing “ok” and then is in risk of danger to bye the tournament because of 1 game, this is an aspect i can’t even think about the solution of.
Nevertheless, it’s nice to hear that you care about our reviews and try to see ways to change the game for the better. Trust me, we also do, and we don’t like to search easy ways. Better a worthy fight and a deserved victory than some skip-through or easy fights without actually strong teams in top8. Thanks for ur time Rexy
patent quartz
wouldn't tournament WR makes sense in any way? no one has thought of it and teams are sorted regarding individual players stats and not their actual tourney WR
chilly terrace
wouldn't tournament WR makes sense in any way? no one has thought of it and teams are sorted regarding individual players stats and not their actual tourney WR
@patent quartz
It's so hard to implement especially in blitz. It's impossible to determine team rating when the cast of these teams change from season to season. Even if we would change rating, it won't be rating based on results in tournaments.
chilly hemlock
@patent quartz not if you farm wr in tier 6 and then come play tier 10
Not to mention it doesn’t take into account winning a lower bracket vs losing in a higher bracket
patent quartz
i mean by only taking respective tier stats into account
chilly hemlock
Someone that comes second in the highest group, shouldn’t get placed below someone who wins the lowest bracket
tulip spire
Maybe you can at least change from Overall WR to 30 Day WR With +100 Games, should be an easy thing to do for WG.
chilly hemlock
You would have to do it in the tier for that tournament though
Can’t have people playing tier 1 and 2 to play tier 10
pale finch
Not really that’s a bad idea, people will just go tier 7 platoon and get 85% win rate
chilly hemlock
Exactly
tulip spire
Or you will get the 100 Games from Ranked in the Last Season. So the Pro Players have to mess with each other before in Random. Just Set Tier 10 Stats only, technical its possible. If Blitzstars can do this, WG can do it to.
chilly hemlock
@chilly terrace why not remove tickets from ascent and just host bigger weekend tournaments that can have 128 teams etc and double or triple the cups? I’m not sure if that has been asked yet but then you’d have 8 normal and 8 more valuable tournaments where no one gets killed because they didn’t get tickets. 16 tournaments where anyone can play is a more level playing field and will more accurately let worthy teams climb to the top
pale finch
Or just add battles + win rate of all players in the team not just flat win rate, WG has done it for clan statistics but for some reason not for tournaments, seems... weird. I mean this is the simple solution to all of this.
chilly hemlock
I remember being told that there was tournament statistics back in 2015 or 2016. Everyone was worried about personal damage stats and then they never came out @pale finch
wraith merlin
sorry i dont invest hours into doing the maths for my suggestion of a better qualifier system for a game i not get paid for
@half urchin 👍 👍 👍 👍
flat goblet
@chilly terrace have you considered an ELO system, and if not, what are the biggest concerns?
glass thunder
ELO used in rank ELO points are same as rank points if im not wrong
wraith merlin
Guys, the REPECHAGE rules are clear. The highest place that the early stage losers get is the 3rd.... Simple as that! Go search the term, it might make things simpler......
thorn shale
The multilevel tournament is similar to a single-elimination tournament; in fact, at the top level they are the same. However, in a multilevel tournament, a player is not eliminated following a loss but simply moves down one or more levels of play into the consolation rounds. This downward movement continues until no other challengers remain. One result of this approach is that all entries play about the same number of games. Another benefit is that in each round the players are more likely to encounter other players of their caliber.
In the final rounds of play in single- and double-elimination tournaments, only one or two locations are in use. This is not the case in the multilevel tournament. As a result, when sufficient locations are available, the multilevel tournament takes the same amount of time to complete as a single-elimination tournament and half the time of a double-elimination tournament. For example, if six locations are available, and the tournament contains 13 entries, it takes four rounds to complete the tournament using either the single elimination or the multilevel and eight rounds to complete a double elimination. The multilevel tournament is an excellent choice when equality in number of games played and closely contested matches are important, when time is limited, and when knowledge of third and subsequent final placements is not crucial.
thorn shale
An ELO system would make the most sense in theory
But blitz currently doesn’t have any ELO programming in the game, so it would have to be added and idk if WG would go to the effort of replacing a system they clearly think works well enough
glass thunder
programmers don't do math ELO algorithm already exists but how you apply it in blitz?
you can in rank but not all play rank also i don't see how to apply it for teams
still can make it like csgo by checking players last 2 big tournaments results for example in the end i don't think put such work is worth it
surreal flint
Hello
gleaming pollen
I mean the problem with ra1d vs -ww- was that if ra1d lost there are out of top 8 but if -ww- lost they would have been out of top 16
thorn shale
Just like how three top 8 teams, Resistance, Achoo, Scamo got knocked out all because they didn’t get tickets to the last ascent. That is ridiculous. Yes this system does solve the problem of teams having same cups, but it is also evil to some teams if they don’t get tickets. It screws you up completely.
pallid raven
Just do a Raid and abuse the loop holes
chilly hemlock
There’s a difference between pointing out a flaw and naming and shaming @pallid raven
patent tapir
Why are the SEASON COINS not being deposited to players accounts , not showing in storage or anywhere?
formal nymph
Invite me
low badger
Can we not have t6 only QTs? This feels a little insane
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace why not remove tickets from ascent and just host bigger weekend tournaments that can have 128 teams etc and double or triple the cups? I’m not sure if that has been asked yet but then you’d have 8 normal and 8 more valuable tournaments where no one gets killed because they didn’t get tickets. 16 tournaments where anyone can play is a more level playing field and will more accurately let worthy teams climb to the top
@chilly hemlock
I don't think that clan should still have their chances to get top-8, if they are missing tournaments. Such system would allow them to do this. This system takes much more time from players as well. (Don't forget that not only top-16 clans participate in qualifiers)
@chilly terrace have you considered an ELO system, and if not, what are the biggest concerns?
@flat goblet
We did. Any rating system need to calibration. If we did it based on tournaments, we would see the ELO for concrete clan not earlier than after 1 year since it starts play tournament.
flat goblet
Right, makes sense. Calibration starts with WR maybe?
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace you claim that clans on the first places would not have been knocked out by missing one ticketed tournament yet Ra1d was ranked SECOND before the round they lost the BO3 against WW. You have to admit this makes your statement seem a bit... Well... not 100% correct. 🤔
@tiny berry
I checked all leaderboards on all regions. And there were such situation that I described on NA and RU. I still think that clan which is lost in one non-ticketed tournament should be allowed to play in ticketed one. But systems allows to do that if you play extremely good. On other hand, teams that play extremely good don't lose matches in non-ticketed tournaments.
pallid raven
There’s a difference between pointing out a flaw and naming and shaming @pallid raven
@chilly hemlock wdym? Raid abused a loophole and that's a fact, and it's been mentioned hundreds of times already, lol.
versed field
This ticket system dont work like it should because you can use your ticket in next week ascent ticket tourtaments aswell. So you can do basically that you play with 10 thursday and just with 7 saturdays and afterall we can have situation that if team dont got tickets to last ticket tourtament they have already tickets left. Im looking forward to future and seeing this come problem because as we see teams try to find loopholes and use them
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace so being ranked second on the Server doesnt qualify for being "extremely good"? So good Teams are not allowed to have a bad moment?! So when Federer looses against some lower-ranked player this makes him "not extremely good" and he should hence not be invited to the next tournament? How many more absurd excuses are you going to make to justify your flawed System? There are hundreds of well-crafted tournament and qualifiers Systems in the world of sports and esports. There is no need for WG to invent one yourself as you are obviously not very good at it. Of course if you think having community turmoil in almost every season is not a proof of that, then there is no point in further Discussion. You might just as well revert to WGs old formula of completely ignoring your community if you are not willing to listen to it.
@tiny berry
You are extremely good, when you placed on the second place with such amount of cups that allow you to lose in one non-ticketed tournament. There were such examples in this season on different region.
thorn shale
@tiny berry no need to be rude..
silver vapor
You are extremely good, when you placed on the second place with such amount of cups that allow you to lose in one non-ticketed tournament. There were such examples in this season on different region.
@chilly terrace while this could be the case for NA / ASIA, where it's totally fine for teams to lose 1 non-ticketed tournament and still be able to enter top 8, I think the current system definitely has room for improvement for EU/RU players where the pressure is very high as any poor result out of 4 weeks of consistency required will totally rule them out of top 8 even if they are playing top 8 levels of gameplay.
graceful jetty
@chilly hemlock
I don't think that clan should still have their chances to get top-8, if they are missing tournaments. Such system would allow them to do this. This system takes much more time from players as well. (Don't forget that not only top-16 clans participate in qualifiers)
@chilly terrace you dont think clans should have a chance to get top 8 if they miss tournaments (I.e. they should spend time to play all tournaments) but then 2 sentences afterwards you say the system suggested by iraik would take too much time from players? Is the system suggested by iraik not the same as the one we have currently but everyone is able to join all ascents? How would that take more time away from the players trying to qualify? It would be the same amount of time as right now. If a team doesnt play the less valuable tournaments they'll get kicked out of top 8 by teams who play both the valuable and the less valuable tournaments. New tournament players would also be more engaged cause they'll have all of the qualifying tournaments to fight for a spot in top 16 instead of only the non ticketed ones as it is right now
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace while this could be the case for NA / ASIA, where it's totally fine for teams to lose 1 non-ticketed tournament and still be able to enter top 8, I think the current system definitely has room for improvement for EU/RU players where the pressure is very high as any poor result out of 4 weeks of consistency required will totally rule them out of top 8 even if they are playing top 8 levels of gameplay.
@silver vapor
One of the regions that I was talking about is RU. They don't think that ticketed tournament is a problem. Or they are not talking about (it's not typically for RU-community). So far I see that only players from one region see the problem here. I have some guesses why it happens, but I'm still not sure.
@chilly terrace you dont think clans should have a chance to get top 8 if they miss tournaments, but then 2 sentences afterwards you say the system suggested by iraik would take too much time from players? Is the system suggested by iraik not the same as the one we have currently but everyone is able to join all ascents? How would that take more time away from the players trying to qualify? It would be the same amount of time as right now. If a team doesnt play the less valuable tournaments they'll get kicked out of top 8 by teams who play both the valuable and the less valuable tournaments. New tournament players would also be more engaged cause they'll have all of the qualifying tournaments to fight for a spot in top 16 instead of only the non ticketed ones as it is right now
@graceful jetty
It would be more time consuming because we will see in top-8 these clans that would participate in each tournament. But 4 of these tournaments will take much more time from players because changing system of holding.
Also less valuable tournaments don't make sense in this scheme.
graceful jetty
@graceful jetty
It would be more time consuming because we will see in top-8 these clans that would participate in each tournament. But 4 of these tournaments will take much more time from players because changing system of holding.
Also less valuable tournaments don't make sense in this scheme.
@chilly terrace yes I agree that less valuable tournaments dont make sense for that. What if all ascents had the same amounts of cups offered with no tickets required for any of them but there was a big tiebreaker tournament at the end of qualifiers similar to the old qualifying tournament to ensure no clans were sitting in the same positions?
The cup prizes could just be:
last place 1 cup
2nd to last 2 cups
3rd to last 3 cups etc
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace yes I agree that less valuable tournaments dont make sense for that. What if all ascents had the same amounts of cups offered with no tickets required for any of them but there was a big tiebreaker tournament at the end of qualifiers similar to the old qualifying tournament to ensure no clans were sitting in the same positions?
@graceful jetty
We can't determine 16 places. There will be 5-8, 9-16 places etc. It means that even after this big tiebreak tournament we still have a chance to see clans on the same position in top-16.
silver vapor
One of the regions that I was talking about is RU. They don't think that ticketed tournament is a problem. Or they are not talking about (it's not typically for RU-community). So far I see that only players from one region see the problem here. I have some guesses why it happens, but I'm still not sure.
@chilly terrace ok perhaps the term "teams" was a bit misleading. the correct term should be clans. I just had a skim through all the top 16 clans in RU region, that all 16 clans have at least 1 team presence in each and every ascent tournament. And I believe that's the difference between RU and all other regions. RU region has the practice of sending multiple teams from the same clan to ensure multiple ticketed teams to maximize their chances of getting into top 8.
while you can argue this is "fair" because only 1 team from each clan with the best result is counted, it does mean that there's a lot of talents in the RU region that never gets to see the proper competition, and we are not really reaching the top 8 teams here, more like top 8 clans, and I think (and this is opinion that was formed after looking at RU clan practices when it comes to top 8) that this is a bit problematic when it comes to esports when the mainstream esports have concepts of teams rather than a big group of 40-50 players fighting for spots of just 9-10 players.. (at least this was not observed in Asia, not sure about NA/EU)
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace ok perhaps the term "teams" was a bit misleading. the correct term should be clans. I just had a skim through all the top 16 clans in RU region, that all 16 clans have at least 1 team presence in each and every ascent tournament. And I believe that's the difference between RU and all other regions. RU region has the practice of sending multiple teams from the same clan to ensure multiple ticketed teams to maximize their chances of getting into top 8.
while you can argue this is "fair" because only 1 team from each clan with the best result is counted, it does mean that there's a lot of talents in the RU region that never gets to see the proper competition, and we are not really reaching the top 8 teams here, more like top 8 clans, and I think (and this is opinion that was formed after looking at RU clan practices when it comes to top 8) that this is a bit problematic when it comes to esports when the mainstream esports have concepts of teams rather than a big group of 40-50 players fighting for spots of just 9-10 players.. (at least this was not observed in Asia, not sure about NA/EU)
@silver vapor
The term "team" exists just in one tournament and it's unlikely that it will be exist separately from the tournament. At least, because teams are changing in blitz from tournament to tournament. Anyway, for now as it is.
Guys, I won't comment on each suggestion in this channel anymore because it takes much time. I'll just take them into account because almost each of them has a reasonable core. But, unfortunately, there are some aspects that you cannot know and cannot count and I can't explain every one of them.
wraith merlin
Guys, I won't comment on each suggestion in this channel anymore because it takes much time. I'll just take them into account because almost each of them has a reasonable core. But, unfortunately, there are some aspects that you cannot know and cannot count and I can't explain every one of them.
@chilly terrace 👍 Edit: Less time for me reading them... 😅 😅 😅
Could we have a podcast discussing various topics? One of them could be tournaments. Tbh the last days I have learned a lot of things about them by reading your discussions. It would be much easier for ppl to follow. Personnally I have stopped reading books the last years and I am listening to audio books making the whole process easier, while doing other things simultaneously....
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eager sage
how do you know when you are going to play a match in the quick tournaments
sly hornet
I admit the system can be very complicated sometimes
eager sage
I still havent had a battle yet
sly hornet
make team with 7 players minimum, register team, start tournament... done
eager sage
I am in a team already literally all of the other teams have had battles
low badger
@eager sage try the surrender battles button
glass thunder
@eager sage well you cant know the exact time but from tournament tab you can see when battels start , the games start when team leader ( who did create the team ) press start when team have 7 players
so best way it to contact the team creator and be online the tournament time (you can see start and end time from tournament tab )
hope you enjoy playing tournaments
winter swallow
While I strongly condemn RA1D for exploiting a loophole to cheat their way past worthy opponents to get into the Top 8, I do agree with the general sentiments expressed here that the current system is incredibly flawed.
Bo3 format + 4 ticketed and 4 non-ticketed Ascents structure - recalling groups of 16 in the non-ticketed ascents - STATISTICALLY all but ensures that a top team will drop out of the top 8 based on chance alone.
Hell, ask @pale finch - I said after week 1 that out of my 7 picks for the top 8, at least one of them will miss a ticketed tournament due to dropping an early round in a non-ticketed tournament. In fact, two of them did.
This system expects teams worthy of a Top 8 position to be able to win 2x Bo3 matches, four times, in a row, (Round of 16 and Round of 8 in non-ticketed tournaments).
It does not consider overall performance in terms of rounds won/lost.
Bo3 is just one bad map off a loss.
Ultimately, it could be better. And if WG actually want their game to be an esport it should be fixed. And the fixes should be hella easy to implement if WG had the will to do something about it.
I’ve been gearing up for Valorant and the difference between Western esports developers and WG is staggering. Truly.
sly hornet
legal loophole isn't cheating, with all respect
flat goblet
Pfff
winter swallow
@sly hornet - Semo - we can disagree. The loophole was never explained in the rules. It was deemed “legal” mid tournament because it had already been used and WG, who can’t even create loser brackets in Single Elimination, were not in a position to fix it and reverse already arrived at outcomes (aka F-B-I ticket-farming in week 3).
The funny thing is that some RA1D members were some of the strongest critics of this move by FBI.
And please read what I said. RA1D were happy to cheat their opponents of a spot in the top 8.
I think this is pure arrogance.
Of course we all know RA1D are top 8 quality.
BUT - after losing fairly to -WW- (a team that finished 2nd in Challengers btw), their mentality was - we are better than the people that beat us so don’t mind spitting in their faces by exploiting a loophole we flamed FBI for using, just so we can get into a tournament we failed to qualify for.
That’s my take. I can’t even fathom how little self-respect and how little respect for your competitors you need in order to take that kind of decision.
Just imagine if all clans had been ticket farming since week 1. The whole tournament would have been utter shambles, not just RA1D and F-B-I. AND let’s not forget WG said they will close this blatantly unintended loophole prior to Twister 2020.
sly hornet
@winter swallow I agree with a lot of things that are saying and I hope next season will be a better one in terms of exploiting . But we heard rexy, he won't keep responding to every of our comments about it anymore. He, and rest of WG, knows our point of view. If they say they will "maybe consider" using some core ideas, well let's hope they actually do it. I don't know how happy RA1D are with their decision, but I don't think u should start disrespecting them for it, at least in my opinion.
vagrant phoenix
If RA1D were being hypocrites of what FBI did and then tried to justify it when they exploited the same loophole that ended up taking the spot of another team in top 8 then yes, they deserve any disrespect they get, lol.
sly hornet
well, i agree it is definetly not right
winter swallow
@sly hornet - that’s fair re: Rexy and hopes for next season.
I do not feel like I am disrespecting RA1D when I observe what their actions were in this Spring tournament. If RA1D do not want to be called cheaters, they should not cheat/exploit clearly unfair loopholes at the expense of other players and teams. It is that simple.
I don’t think we should allow anyone to get away with such unsportsmanlike behaviour completely Scot-free. It’s clear that as far as WG are concerned they aren’t prepared to do anything about it - and pragmatically, there are no in-game penalties or repercussions for RA1D.
The tournament community owes it to themselves to hold its members accountable. In this instance, the worst thing that can happen to RA1D is that their peers recognise their poor behaviour and chastise them for it. There is no consequence beyond that other than what the RA1D players feel inside, about themselves, as a result.
So if my and others calling RA1D cheaters makes them feel bad, and makes them question whether cheating was worth it? Guess what. That’s a step in the right direction.
sly hornet
@winter swallow "I can’t even fathom how little self-respect and how little respect for your competitors you need in order to take that kind of decision." - I must have interpret this wrong, I said u shouldn't start disrespecting RA1D, but i meant more for people in general, not ecpecially u.
winter swallow
@sly hornet - it means that I can’t even imagine how little self-respect RA1D has, and how little respect RA1D has for other players/teams.
Of course maybe RA1D tournament team members have a different opinion - but it’d be hard for them to justify not respecting their opponents in this instance.
main belfry
Rolling look I liked your streams, but why do one drama after another one and you’re always involved these last days?
thorn shale
^
gentle sierra
But they should throw all their preparation away just cause of 1 game , makes sense , almost everyone on that level would do the same if they were in that same situation , and id like to see the people that protested so strongly against RA1D stand by their claim in case they were in that same situation , cause its easy to say stuff like that when you are not at risk
thorn shale
I disagree with everyone CarlGameplays is the only one that makes sense here
tender shell
@thorn shale 😂
sly hornet
hmm, he does have some good arguments ngl
sour gate
I am very disconnected here in the group because you speak English and I am from Argentina and I do not understand your words but I use the translator ...
tender shell
@sour gate All good, we appreciate your feedback nevertheless
glass thunder
@winter swallow sadly that tickets move was reported here (by me ) but no one did care about it
sour gate
I think that everyone in the group are very good players, and I'm not the same. I'm playing WoT a little more every day, hoping to be lucky. I never put money in the game and I have 10,000 gold. To see How are you people from below Of the world jsjs
gentle sierra
Also why would a team of the level of RA1D care about what the "community" thinks about them , when exactly did the "community" help them ? Everything they achieved was because of their effort .
thorn shale
@gentle sierra couldn't agree more.
pallid raven
Lol, they definitely don't care... As long as they get another pro avatar they are happy, to flex even more. Most clans in the same situation would do they same.
gentle sierra
Pretty sure most of them had 2 already
tulip spire
Everyone can have their own option and judge when and how they want, that's absolutely fine. But what can be required that the facts are at least correct. It wasn't RA1D that got excited about FBI, it was a single player. If you want to relate this to the whole clan, you can do that, but it's not true in this form. It also seems extremely amusing to me if people here like to judge the behavior of others but do not give their own words any more. So what does this drama bring? What do you want to achieve with it? Or is it an outcry for attention again in the end?
What should be achieved with it now? WG is the instance that can do something about it, they decide. If they wave it through then you have to accept it. Sponsored by Google Translate
turbid sinew
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median mantle
Ancalagon bess dragoon
thorn shale
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devout eagle
if anyone has a team that wants to pratice agaisnt mine send me a message to prratice for tier six tonight
flat goblet
Scamo tried to do it last time, saw backlash, could have still gone through with it nonetheless (since WG didn’t say it was against the rules) and ended up backing off. Imagine.
vagrant phoenix
WG didn't do anything about it because it was already done and they didn't have the resources nor the ability to change anything with such limited time. That's the only reason why they "waved it through". They intend on fixing this loophole next season.
What this drama achieves you ask? Well it's to bring awareness that cheating in any form shouldn't be okay and there shouldn't be any excuses for doing so. It begs the question of whether or not this would set the precedent for if some other loophole occurs in the future. It's a callout for people to do the right thing, not a callout for the sake of attention.
Imagine if you were the 9th team on the leaderboard and you earned a ticket on Thursday. The 8th team misses out on a ticket and they decide to cheat their way through to maintain their spot. I'm sure you would be calling BS on them, too.
thorn shale
Every weeks ticket should be changed. And then the extra tickets are discarded after the ticketed tourney finishes
flat goblet
Would be inefficient in WG’s current implementation. The other option would be adding an ‘expiration date’ on them, but again, would have to add that field to the ticket. That would take some dev time (granted, it shouldn’t be that much time) and ultimately that’s on WG to decide if they want to do so.
leaden belfry
just one clarification - it wasn't in the rules because there were literally no rules for the Ascent tournaments outside of EULA, so WG's hands were tied, they couldn't go make rules mid season.
The difference is that FBI did this, feeling they were using a legit loophole that was okay.
By the time Ra1d used it, it was known that FBI lost the respect they had, and that WG was so against this move that they promised to make rules for the Ascent/Qualifiers to make sure this can't happen again, and they still decided to do this
No one is saying that Ra1d isn't top 8 material - we all agree that they are. It's also not being disputed that the system is flawed - it is, in more ways than one.
That doesn't change my view on their actions, however. It was dirty, and very unsportsmanlike and I had definitely expected better of them
main belfry
Well but you cant really call someone Cheater, when there is no rules they can break. I mean Sheridan Players also abuse the System with spamming Rockets Looking at it in a certain way and we don't call them Cheaters.
But all that aside, it is fair to have opinions about what RA1D did, and it is fair to not like what that is. But that should happen in a well mannered way, not in spamming YouTube Livestreams with "RA1D rigged" or "Cheaters destroyed esports" or stuff that goes into this direction.
I think i am speaking in behalf of most people that a discussion Stream or a Discord talk session would be much more worth it, then your typical drama.
wintry hound
The system was flawed in the first place. Not using the loophole even if you know you are top 8 and even top 4 material, is stupid.
winter swallow
Every weeks ticket should be changed. And then the extra tickets are discarded after the ticketed tourney finishes
@thorn shale - this man literally just fixed tickets in Ascent tournaments. edit - partially. Still need to bind tickets and/or players to clans during major tournament qualifiers.
main belfry
The system was flawed in the first place. Not using the loophole even if you know you are top 8 and even top 4 material, is stupid.
@wintry hound well yea thats also true i guess
primal marlin
Lol
tulip spire
@leaden belfry Well id doesnt Change Things or make it better If people are saying the same 100 times again. WG said that they will Change the Future so at the end there is at least one small good Thing. Talking about respect should be fine but the Reality ist that the most Clans in top 8 would do the same If they where in the same Situation and im pretty sure RA1D would help with players so you should write: Every Second Team of the Top 8 CW Teams is dirty and that you excepted more way more of all of them.
vagrant phoenix
@main belfry You just managed to miss the whole point. It doesn't matter what you call it, because at the end, it's still unfair to other teams and it's an exploitation of a system that didn't intend for something like that to happen. It's like saying it's ok to cheat as long as the teacher doesn't find out. The point is that it's just morally wrong and if something like that were to happen in the future, just play fair.
A lot of people are saying many clans who are top 8 material would've done the same thing, but that's not true. [SCAMO] tried to do it last year and they ultimately decided not to register the team. My 2nd team, [ACHOO] missed out on a ticket and we could've covered for them to make top 8 but we didn't.
main belfry
In the end its something that is pretty common in ESports overall, Clans, Teams etc. Will always try to get advantage at some point. Tactical Move's are just a Part of ESports aswell. Blitz is no exception of that.
@_Commie
In the end its not even unfair because everyone has the chance to do that, and im gonna say it again. No rules were broken. This is not Cheating.
winter swallow
My take: cheating other players of their hard work by exploiting loopholes is bad and we should all strive be better.
R1B’s take: Everyone probably cheats anyway so hell, if you are part of the list of teams we like/we feel deserve to be in the Top 8, don’t worry - we will happily help you cheat/exploit loopholes to make sure you get into the Top 8 too.
Spot the difference.
vagrant phoenix
People make better strats to find an advantage, not find loopholes to get an advantage. The only difference is they decided to go forward because there was no real punishment.
It is 100% unfair because that's not how the system intended for things to be and we shouldn't expect people to do dirty loopholes. Sure you can say no rules were broken by it's still HIGHLY unsportsmanlike and just not right.
main belfry
They do not feel to deserve top 8. RA1D is Top 8, thats not something to feel thats litteraly Facts. Also as Engy said, why should they not take the opportunity to do these things if they have the Chance to? As if you would not take the 20€ laying on the floor because someone told you its "immoral" to take something up that lays on the floor... Yall acting like some rightous super Heroes even tho you yourself have enough stuff you made wrong yourselfes. Instead of making drama about other people's things, why not begin to Daily deal with your own mistakes?
proud holly
You're attempting to take advantage of a system flaw, and your reasoning is that since anybody else can do it, that makes it the right thing to do?
flat goblet
Is just game bruhv limfao, play2win no h8
tulip spire
@winter swallow Luuul, Change the words how you like it Rolling but id doesnt help you. i will not discuss with you anymore Like i said. Blame the System not the Player.
flat goblet
Would have been funny if someone started buying top teams to play for them. Wonder what would have been said. 100% within the rules btw.
Tronz what do you mean
proud holly
Does that even change anything
vagrant phoenix
They do not feel to deserve top 8? I have no idea what you're trying to say. SCAMO last year were definitely top 8 material, but they just decided it wasn't right to go forward with it.
And like I said, just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should. No one is acting like a righteous hero. It's called simple human decencies. It's called being sportsmanlike.
Look at it from the other end of the stick. If you were denied top 8 ONLY because someone decided to abuse a loophole that wasn't intended to exist, I wonder how you would feel about it.
leaden belfry
@flat goblet isn't that what was done on the RU server? didn't the old C4 team get sponsored and that's how they attracted pretty much all the good players, a year or two ago?