.... you’ve never heard of Moche have you
#tourneys-discussion
glass thunder
ik that me and he have like 4% better for this i think he can be legit
and thsoe are my best hit rate tanks
atomic tartan
Yes but you don’t average 4k+ in those
glass thunder
still newbie mm idk as i said its fishy but can be legit thx to newbie mm
atomic tartan
Also, 4% isnt nothing here
You have 90% hit rate. To get to 94% you would have to halve your misses.
glass thunder
true
low badger
Whaduhek did I walk into
atomic tartan
Im not saying its for certain that hes EU Moche
low badger
Eu moche lmfao
atomic tartan
I just find what he does incredibly abnormal
dreamy ridge
😁
low badger
Honestly through you can't rely on hitrate to detect aimbot (if theyre hitting 100% u may as well ban but) id be surprised if they weren't toggles and even aimbots can account for rng/variance. From a ex cheater in apex lul
atomic tartan
He has thousands of battles in rating, performs average for an unknown clan in tourneys, yet when he played 300 pubs everything he touches turns into gold.
sonic iron
XD
thorn shale
Just tell him to send a replay
gentle sierra
Unknown🤔
thorn shale
loca unknown
rustic stone
gentle sierra
@thorn shale u
thorn shale
@warped patrol get it on a non reroll account then we'll talk lmao
warped patrol
I already did long time ago lol
thorn shale
where’s proof of that? @warped patrol
show me an acc with let’s say 15k+ battles where ur 30d has at least 4500 wn8
manic pewter
Why would anyone even do a reroll
glass thunder
when they think they are bad and they need new account to show that they can have good stats (specially with newbie mm)
gentle sierra
still with this smh
@thorn shale a good player can easily get high wn8 if he only plays 1-2 tanks he can farm wn8 with , aka meds
boi u got 4.5k why does it seem weird to u lol
thorn shale
not weird at all, i just want proof, i can get 4k average or more quite easily if i were to spam my main tanks (and uhm not let nabs play on mine lmao)
🥱
😂
atomic tartan
Well in the end the only thing that really matters is comp
Your stats don’t get you to Twister. You do.
dry flint
^preach it
thorn shale
Yeet
gaunt nymph
Lol
thorn shale
bs rerolling and having 4k average is what gets u to minsk
pure lava
damn only pro players here
manic pewter
No u
versed field
No me
tranquil seal
:/
thorn shale
without rekty here im afraid to back that statement
thorn shale
who’s rekty 🤣🤣
terse oriole
😂
hardy kindle
Hi
graceful jetty
#bringbackrolling time?
glass thunder
#removeATGM'S
leaden belfry
yes
graceful jetty
What if comp players collectively agree to not use sheridan
leaden belfry
they won't - because it makes too much difference, and the team(s) that doesn't agree can get a big advantage
graceful jetty
Would it be possible? I would rather have good content instead of a sheridan
glass thunder
i really dont see how wg still think they are good in the game in last off season final FBI vs Souls a players from souls(good player) did win middel of vineyard vs 1 is4 and fv215b
and did push them to hide in the back + without teams start fighting the sheridan won 2500 damage for his team only using missiles
graceful jetty
This was in rollings stream? I want to watch this
glass thunder
was most stupid game i played when with is4 can do nothing to stop that light tank that should cap and spot but no that tank can rekt heavy's in face and those heavy's can do nothing to fight back
leaden belfry
that's the whole problem with missiles - it being able to shoot you from safe positions, in positions you should have an advantage in
and that's the problem WG doesn't see
the data they extract from the game doesn't show that
glass thunder
@graceful jetty yes was in rolling stream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUn6lqKHRgs&t=10555s
graceful jetty
I dont want to be that guy but even tho those shots were annoying they werent >that< bad. He shot pretty direct and those shots couldve been avoided by a little adjustment to positioning. Idk if its because we have to face bruni in feast all the time but you actually just get used to it and slightly adjust ur positioning to make urself safe
Like arty in wotpc
Nevertheless, Im merely saying thats nothing compared to what theyre capable of. They still need to be removed, just that that game isnt the best example
glass thunder
well game made by wg to players if something players dont like its not good idea to say get used to it cause those players if they dont like to play the game at some point they leave
so when we talk about some tank its not good answer to say don't play it or get used to it
glass thunder
silver vapor
#ATGMsareBalanced
lunar stirrup
Pls remove atgms from cw or at least replace the missiles with heat...
silver vapor
+1
lunar stirrup
The sheridan really doesn't need missiles to be an excellent tank
pale finch
I mean the sheridan already has a very high alpha, it’s extremely mobile and you can’t HE it reliably at all plus you get the most random bounces on it so yeah it really doesn’t need missiles to be useful
normal imp
How to get my winrate up
lunar stirrup
Maybe we should make a petition with the clans of the top and middle echelon about this ...
but would that be enough ?
gentle sierra
Has ever wg listened to the playerbase ? Especially to such a small portion such as top clans
pale finch
Nah even if all the clans who will be top 16 would agree on it WG wouldn’t care about it plus not everyone would follow an unofficial agreement although personally I would support one since the sheridan really doesn’t belong in wotb, the mechanic just ruins so many tanks and so many positions
lunar stirrup
And if we do this petition on a global scale
versed field
Sheridan will effect posible to that meta where teams just play passive hold with heavy line up
gentle sierra
They wont care lol
silver vapor
I do not recall wargaming ever listening to the professional players
pale finch
@versed field yes is4 hulldown or any other tank you want to place in the frontline on a map with a lot of ditches like vineyards or middleburg (up) will be soooo good if you’re against 2 sheridans or so
lunar stirrup
Sheridan is perfect to counter heavies holding.
Even a medium can not win 1v1 in cw bcs this light has too good mobility
manic pewter
I rather have sheridan than holdcamping meta if thats options to choose
versed field
👆
lunar stirrup
But pro players are directly affected by this light so they should @silver vapor
Like any other tournament team
pale finch
I mean I’ve seen stuff getting banned in competitive in other games for being unbalanced and needing a hot fix so why not in blitz
I mean it’s a nice for fun mechanic but it should be on like tier 8/9 not tier 10
stark crow
It shouldnt be there at all
lunar stirrup
Yes basically it was just an event in random battles
@pale finch
pale finch
Yeah it should’ve stayed as that
lunar stirrup
No @stark crow just remove missiles from cw only cw...
Its enough
stark crow
Yes , i mean atgms @lunar stirrup
manic pewter
Remove premiums and collector tanks from cw too then
pale finch
I love grinding ratings where there are 2-3 atgm tanks on each team and taking 2 rockets before I get to my initial position it’s really nice. But for CW it’s just really dumb as it defies strategical purpose, strong positions are traded for “ MISSILES GO BRRRRR “
lunar stirrup
This tank is funny in gravity or random battles but unbalanced in cw
What does this have to do with premiums and collectors? those don't have missiles and not as much mobility @manic pewter
pale finch
I mean I was a supporter of banning collectors and premiums as well because it gives an unfair advantage to competitive but that didn’t happen either
sly hornet
i miss going hulldown
versed field
T22 stronk
pale finch
T22 still broken simply because of the sides
vital obsidian
T22 had never as big impact on the game
pale finch
At least it didn’t add a brand new mechanic which kind of defies any sense of logic there is to this game
stark crow
I mean I was a supporter of banning collectors and premiums as well because it gives an unfair advantage to competitive but that didn’t happen either
@pale finch could be great aswell , we would not see full rerolls on seedings
pale finch
I mean that debate was when the T22 came out so it’s a dead debate at this point
lunar stirrup
- even t22 is more easily to hesh
manic pewter
Its more unbalancing thing if theres tanks you cant get all the time
stark crow
Yes true
manic pewter
Sheridan is free to everyone so improvise, adapt, overcome.
sly hornet
how to adapt in middleburg? can only go city then since med side is a disaster now
manic pewter
Hasnt been to us lol
pale finch
I mean this isn’t about Brian, it’s what’s best for comp overall ( imo ) although Brian is a big loss since he 1 is a very talented commentator and 2 a good friend of mine the issue is about tournaments and their usage there just being a mess
lunar stirrup
Yea I think that anyway they will not listen to anything
Up to us to improvise BUT at least a nerf in mobility which would make it easier to destroy for other tanks... @manic pewter
manic pewter
ShErIdAn NeEd SpAcEd ArMoR. Thats the problem imo. Wasnt the timer between comments 30s right 2minutes ago? Are WG trying to make our communication harder? Now wear your tinhats and WG Shame on you. Its good thing they cant stop me to editing this comment. This is ridiculous.
glass thunder
omg 5m slowmode wg want you to stop xd
why think a lot when you can just remove missiles they just have no place in the game why wg try to force them into
lunar stirrup
Yea if they make it possible to hesh it would be nice too @manic pewter
solar coral
Yeah I agree with Laze about spaced armor, its just broken, I mean on paper it have same armor as Hellcat but in reality its comparable to 113 sides or smth
manic pewter
Its great that i still can edit my messages and dont have to wait 5min all over again 😊
leaden belfry
@manic pewter just FYI - us mods can't edit slowmode anywhere
sly hornet
oof_😎
pale finch
Glad you’re taking our concerns seriously, Artyom and Knopka : )
versed field
Not healthy way to solve problems, that we quiet about them
silver vapor
Nice one wg
leaden belfry
With the tanks being played this much, both inside and outside of the tournament, wg won't see any problem with them, as they actually increase activity
No matter how much we loathe them and what they stand for
lunar stirrup
The bc25 which is a very good tank and which requires skill has completely disappeared from the line up because the sheridan is just better in every point
Sad...
silver vapor
I'm interested in how much of the comp community that is against missiles and furthermore comp tanks behind paywall since they bring so much impact into comp gameplay
chilly terrace
As far as I remembered we discussed this question not so long time ago. Anyway, I just remind you our position about it. While any tank in being represented in the game, it will be allowed in the tournament. We don't block any tanks from participation in the tournament, because it's a part of the game. Moreover, there is a big difference between actually unbalanced tanks and tanks which players think that it's unbalanced. I think that all of you know our position about ATGM at general and I don't have to add something, but may be @lime glen has: we are watching for statistics and will react as soon as possible if it's necessary.
And one more thing: since this channel more and more reminds me flood channel, there will be set 5 minutes cooldown here from this moment. We applied this rule on the same RU-discord channel certain time ago and we though that it wouldn't be necessary here, but as far as I see it is now.
lime glen
omg 5m slowmode wg want you to stop xd
why think a lot when you can just remove missiles they just have no place in the game why wg try to force them into
@glass thunder
slowmode is activated in order to keep discussion reasonable. If you want to spam messages like ''WG doesn't listen'' it's better to do that in open communication channels. Please don't ruin this channel with spam and flood.
We've said multiple times that ATGMs will be removed only if we see they ruin the game and most players don't like them. According to surveys and stats half of players like the mechanics. And a bit less then half don't. This is why we will do everything possible to adjust tanks and mechanics and to increase that ratio.
glass thunder
Gg wp @lime glen its not spamming bad things its just im raging because the game i used to love to play is not same ,when i go rank and i see full spam of missiles tanks that hit me when i cant fight back or that feeling when im with a slow tank and lose to a avg player just because it’s impossible to hit him when he run and shot me from behind cover im even great with sheridan i can play it so well and hit hard shots but i don’t think its good for our game and i share this opinion with almost all players around me
sly hornet
so with all respect, u should be able to hit tanks u cant see?
lime glen
so with all respect, u should be able to hit tanks u cant see?
@sly hornet this is how ATGM mechanics works, yes.
dim pivot
ruining the game
Checks out the comments in rollings livestream and looks at the timestamps of the ungodly missile hits
Totally make the game better
pale finch
Imagine how pleased you could finally make the competitive environment if you let us decide on something together, the top 8 clans are almost always identical and therefore we should be allowed in on the discussion shouldn’t we? And if 80-90% of the top 8 players really are disgusted by the presence of something in the game then shouldn’t there be some form of agreement available with the WG staff?
leaden belfry
Not tournament related, but subject related... Will wg consider running that survey across all servers and all players, instead of a selection?
I'm not sure if the selection is random, or aimed at a certain group. I did get a survey too, in game, but that one had nothing to do with atgm
lime glen
ruining the game
Checks out the comments in rollings livestream and looks at the timestamps of the ungodly missile hits
Totally make the game better
@dim pivot
so you want us to make decisions basing on opinions of certain group of people united by similar ATGM perception?
thorn shale
The best part is translating the CIS server comments on Blitz YouTube channel and realising the CIS professional players have the same opinions as pros from the other server regions.
My favourite ones are those asking the CIS kid to blink if he is being held against his will in their ATGM intro vid 😂
imba - that's the term for ATGMs in CIS.
manic pewter
Most of the players giving feedback to surveys never will play on top level clan wars
tender shell
@manic pewter it isn't important in this case, I had a "discussion" some time ago and their main point was that usually they don't meet players that are capable of using rockets as pros do
Meaning it's balanced
lime glen
Not tournament related, but subject related... Will wg consider running that survey across all servers and all players, instead of a selection?
@leaden belfry no. Our surveys are run according to common sociological analysis standards and approach. This is why the results are much more reasonable than survey among ATGM opponents.
pale finch
This is a tournament matter for high level players not a matter for the people who does 500 average damage in their no camouflage E100 with stock gun in your random battle, therefore the usage of the mechanic in tournaments should be a discussion between the high level tournament participators and the tournament staff in WG, no?
lunar stirrup
Maybe can you do the survey again ?
sly hornet
in ratings, players are more capable of using missiles... same with cw
tender shell
@pale finch @sly hornet I know very well but CW is irrelevant to those people. Survey/numbers aren't taken from top clans, you consider the whole player base hence the results. Regular player has no problem countering them as they don't even use rockets
Go play random battles, you will rarely see someone who actually knows what he's doing with the rockets
That's why players feel like it's balanced
solar coral
Yeah but rn we aint arguing about randoms
silver vapor
@leaden belfry no. Our surveys are run according to common sociological analysis standards and approach. This is why the results are much more reasonable than survey among ATGM opponents.
@lime glen and that basically is 90% players who will never be able to use ATGMs to it's full potential - where in this chat there's at least 50% who would be able to - aren't we supposed to be use players who would be playing tournaments as sample since we are talking about tournament gameplay?
wraith python
@tender shell their whole point is that atgms should be removed from >tournaments<. Regular battles have absolutely nothing to do with that.
glass thunder
The missiles tanks did ruin rank and tournament else we dont have problems vs avg players in random
tender shell
@wraith python I know but WG will never remove ATGM from tournaments only and I believe that we all think they are broken in normal battles too
Up to some extent
pale finch
But that’s not my point, my point is the usage in tournaments and therefore it should be discussed with the clans and players who are relevant in tournaments, I’m not talking about the mechanic in randoms but the mechanic in CW as I mentioned in the statement I just made. The opinion of the random players are irrelevant here, most of the player base are around 50% win rate with sub 2k average on tier X, they have no impact on what happens in tournaments and probably in most cases they have no clue how it impacts them either.
lunar stirrup
Pls look
Thats not ruining the game ?
@lime glen
Put artillery its same thing
sly hornet
agree with zird tbh... sorry for this missle bobby, and the next one
thorn shale
Remember - most players are so bad they can't counter a non-ATGM tank using standard mechanics. A 48% player has the same chance versus a Leo1 as they do versus a Sheridan because their skill is the limiting factor, rather than the vehicle match-up.
ATGM vehicles negate the different skill balances between players, and the winning player is the one with the better in-game load-out (i.e. vehicle with ATGMs versus one without).
Skilled players will feel/notice the difference whilst unskilled ones won't.
If you can't see the difference, it means you aren't skilled.
tender shell
"While any tank in being represented in the game, it will be allowed in the tournament. We don't block any tanks from participation in the tournament, because it's a part of the game" I guess there's your answer then
pale finch
But that being the end product is ridiculous, are you insane? I have a vast majority of the competitive players on my side in this and I’m already aware of that, it’s not an acceptable final answer and this debate will go on forever unless WG takes action, it’s ridiculous that we’re even having a debate around something that was a for fun mechanic in 2017.
solar coral
We already seen that from WG respond. We know wgs opinion but this is something that rly need to be solved and because of that this discussion will continue until they fix it
tender shell
You've got my support anyway, I agree with you
This is just T49A made permanently
And as far as I remember, it was said that they'd improved it so you can't use it as everybody did with the 49A
leaden belfry
Thing is that wg doesn't see it as a problem, so nothing that needs solving.
The current missiles are less bad than the original T49A, but that by no means means it's balanced or good
wraith python
Whats funny here is that, although the >entire< playerbase --->known well with tournaments<----- agrees with removing atgms from tournaments, yet wg simply denies their suggestion "because its part of the game". @leaden belfry
leaden belfry
Reading wg's responses here today - what we feel the missiles need removing for is exactly what they've always intended them to do
ashen quartz
pls do sheridan like on PC wot its will be balanced
thorn shale
Just going to throw this out there. The comments on YouTube channels, here, or the forums don't necessarily cover the entire spectrum of the player base. I'd be willing to guess that it doesn't even come close to a quarter of the entire player base. So while you may be upset about the missiles that doesn't mean that a majority of the player base is. The best data on player base satisfaction comes from the in game polls and no one but Wargaming has access to that data.
manic pewter
They dont understanf the difference between random games, fun modes and esports. If you look league of legends there is fun gamemodes but they dont bring that to esports. There might be broken champions but they nerf and buff them often. Something to learn from other games.
Cs:go have same guns to everyone you cant buy different ones to get any kind of advantage because it RUINS the competitive gaming
leaden belfry
@wraith python there I need to correct you. There's a very big difference between the active community you see here and the overall playerbase, which is much much larger
Exactly, @thorn shale
And that's the most frustrating part
lunar stirrup
@manic pewter agree +1000
pale finch
I mean I guess they will just let their most popular streamer who both provides excellent content in terms of tournaments but also introduced ATGMs alongside them just disappear because they’re unable to find any issue with the ATGM mechanic. Isn’t it just so shocking that highly competitive players from EU, RU, NA and Asia all has issues with this and even the biggest English speaking streamer decides to leave because they’re unable to work out a fix and the loss is too big to even be explained in words both for the pros and for the community because literally 50% of the competitive content will now be gone as amaunet is left to stream on her own. And you do nothing when your most popular streamer leaves because of the new completely broken and dumb mechanic and when pros unite in his opinion you just tell them that it “ uhmmm tank in game tank tournament yes good “ that’s not the way you should look at this matter. Show us that you’re once and for all willing to work with the community instead of just ignoring us as always, this has lost us RollingSwarm already, can’t you get some insights in how serious the matter is?
solar coral
With a community growing aswell as mobile esport is growing I think its a matter of survival to listen to the playerbase now
lunar stirrup
The sheridan is part of the game but there are several parts in this game (fun mods, random battles, rating battles, e-sport)
Totally agree @manic pewter
thorn shale
Brian gone. Wg does nothing... pathetic .
manic pewter
Sad part is dont they really see what potential their game has in growing mobile esports thing if they learn from others and focus to make it well. Mobile esports is at start and rocket is waiting for someone to hop on.
lime glen
Pls look
Thats not ruining the game ?
@lime glenPut artillery its same thing
@lunar stirrup do you want my personal opinion? Are you sure? Will you be okay if my opinion differs from yours?
glass thunder
this what happen when devs are in world and players are in different world as my experience with others games i once contact supercell to say my opinion about things in the game and they did listen to me and they did even do some of what i said because they saw that its good for the game but in all my 4 years in blitz i always see wg do what they want and rarely do what players say
@manic pewter and also because you did talk about csgo : in that game valve balance the game by listening to pros and content creator 90% of times
visual tendon
Why don't replace rockets by simple heat ??? 🤔
gentle sierra
cause the 48% player will complain
spice briar
Apparently they have to listen to 50% animals whom never ever played the tank and took part in a survey which the top clans got excluded off
lime glen
Apparently they have to listen to 50% animals whom never ever played the tank and took part in a survey which the top clans got excluded off
@spice briar
nice one
ashen quartz
true
leaden belfry
@thorn shale they'd have a very huge hole to fill, and even if someone did come along to do it, they wouldn't be nearly as good as Brian. He had it aced
pale finch
@lime glen are you seriously asking this question? Absolutely ridiculous statement and question to ask when there are so many top players united with his idea and this is a tournament matter and guess what, me and all the doubters in here for example @lunar stirrup @glass thunder @solar coral and @visual tendon are your high level tournament players. This is our united opinion and honestly if you disagree with this, I guess you don’t care about your community.
timid dock
;((
solar coral
- Jorrie
lime glen
@lime glen are you seriously asking this question? Absolutely ridiculous statement and question to ask when there are so many top players united with his idea and this is a tournament matter and guess what, me and all the doubters in here for example @lunar stirrup @glass thunder @solar coral and @visual tendon are your high level tournament players. This is our united opinion and honestly if you disagree with this, I guess you don’t care about your community.
@pale finch i can't disagree with you? What are you talking about?
visual tendon
@lunar stirrup do you want my personal opinion? Are you sure? Will you be okay if my opinion differs from yours?
@lime glen wtf ?!
Btw put your slow mod is not fixing a pb...😔
hallow sundial
Just Ban atgm from comp. tournaments I understand that wg has to listen to the whole community for random matches. But in Competetive nearly ever player will tell u that they are against atgms.
gentle sierra
Brian is one of the best English streamers and thats a fact , also what pay check ? and you are comparing blitz with cs go and League lol
pale finch
Yeah I see that you are not worth my time @lime glen and my attempts of reasoning as you don’t care about the views of your community anyways I will withdraw from here, enjoy talking against every other semi good player like me and these guys. Seems like I stepped on your toes and it made you a little sensitive. Apologies for that.
lime glen
Just Ban atgm from comp. tournaments I understand that wg has to listen to the whole community for random matches. But in Competetive nearly ever player will tell u that they are against atgms.
@hallow sundial we told multiple times that spring season will be kind of test for ATGM in competitive environment. Once we have data and feedback we'll see what should be done further
lunar stirrup
Even random players are crying « cheaters, hackers etc.... » when they meet some good players in sheridan
Im sure they change their mind about atgms
azure pecan
can you promise it
leaden belfry
@thorn shale lol. They're free to replace me - I've never been the leading commentator and I'm not looking to be. I enjoy spectating, commentating and showcasing epic clans doing epic things in team composition.
I hope you do realise wg doesn't pay us anything for any of the streams we do 😂 it's all volunteer work
stark crow
@ashen quartz What you just said was not needed at all
thorn shale
You already have data and feedback. Dont you see brian left because of that?? @lime glen
@ashen quartz can you please remain respectful in this conversation. Out of curiosity how many languages do you speak?
leaden belfry
And ^. Anything can be discussed, if we keep it civil
chilly terrace
This mechanic changed the competitive meta. Every time when competitive meta changes, there is a lot of discontent from competitive players. If we remember all changes, we'll realize that every time we could see such statements: "IS-7 broke tournaments", "IS-4 broke tournaments", "FV215b broke tournaments", "Foch broke tournaments", etc. But finally all these tanks have become tanks which are nice part of the meta due, including, balance edits.
lime glen
You already have data and feedback. Dont you see brian left because of that?? @lime glen
@thorn shale i know about Brian leaving way more then you.
visual tendon
Yes, lol but sheridan broke all, absolutely all mechanic of gameplay too...wtf
sly hornet
maybe, but now u jus't can't go hulldown anymore
solar coral
Yeah they are nice together, welp was I mean cuz now we have Sheridan that remove the word competitive from blitz
manic pewter
@chilly terrace Yes and we see it immediatly when we are playing on the playground. You see it after 2 months of analyzing data
leaden belfry
@chilly terrace to be fair, those were all tanks that could -not- hit you when you were perfectly angled or properly behind cover and couldn't hit you literally on the top of your turret and do 500-600 damage per shot
hallow sundial
@lime glen Didn‘t knew that tbh. I hope it will change after Spring. Many players wil be happy and the average guys wont even notice it bcause they dont play tournys. Maybe wg should do a survey for top comp players. Then u have ur feedback and u can ban it from comp. tours after spring.
glass thunder
@chilly terrace this is the problem wg change meta how they want and when they want even they dont play that game mode but the players who play the game mode are always forced to follow meta that wg put and used to have no value or power to change things in the game mode they play , and some avg players vote that they enjoy atmg's force players who hate them to play them in a mode that those avg players who voted dont play
@lime glen well you dont need to test things you are sure from
fervent bloom
Ok my thoughts about ATGMs and why they are not balanced
None of the maps in blitz (at least as far as I am aware) were designed with ATGMs in mind. The map designers did not have to think about a tank which can remain behind cover in hills and still shoot tanks without getting shot back, and this is what makes them OP.
gentle sierra
so after all the testing blitz comp will be good around 2025 , good to know . You see almost the entire comp scene against the use of atgms in tournaments , same thing happened with the t22 when it was introduced , you could just remove them from tournaments but no , the 48%er wouldnt like that , and why do it when super conq crates are just around the corner and who knows what comes after
lunar stirrup
But atgms have a new firing system that none of all the other tanks use @chilly terrace
thorn shale
Yeah sure you do. And i dont care. We all know Brian didnt like atgm and its a reason that made him leave. Maybe its not the first reason, but still. Cant wg see all this professional players that make your esports scene alive and interesting complaining about your atgm? No but yeah u need to see spring season for feedback, how stupid sounds that? You are getting feedback already for a long time. Do something. @lime glen
lime glen
@lime glen Didn‘t knew that tbh. I hope it will change after Spring. Many players wil be happy and the average guys wont even notice it bcause they dont play tournys. Maybe wg should do a survey for top comp players. Then u have ur feedback and u can ban it from comp. tours after spring.
@hallow sundial i think if we all calm down a bit and leave emotions aside everything will be much more positive and productive. For example you can ask Rexxy about survey for comp players after the season. But after, not on April 15th
viscid pasture
@lime glen they all are ATGMs player after chat they all turn to sheridan ....but survay is good idea thank you mate
spice briar
And for the future it would be better if you do major updates after big tournaments without destroying the meta
visual tendon
@pale finch i can't disagree with you? What are you talking about?
@lime glen
#RibkeStripe2020... 🤔 🤔 🤔
We are all focusing a positive and productive discussion...
silver vapor
whether we talk about ATGMs now or we talk about ATGMs after spring - I'm pretty sure 90%+ of comp players here will have the same answer, being disagree them being in comp
the same should goes to comp tanks behind paywall
hallow sundial
@lime glen Yes im totally with you. We should all calm down. Wg decided to do it for Spring and now it is how it is. It wont change until after spring thats what they said. We cant change anything yet but
i hope after spring we can change it .Have a good day . Stay safe : )
lime glen
@lime glen
#RibkeStripe2020... 🤔 🤔 🤔
We are all focusing a positive and productive discussion...
@visual tendon yep, i can see that. Thanks for proving my point.
violet hemlock
All teams can USE and ABUSE rockets so what’s the problem
wraith python
@violet hemlock just don't will you.
glass thunder
@hallow sundial after spring is a lot we have life we cant stay 2 months testing thing we are sure from and say those players will not feel disrespected and leave the game
stark crow
Agree tbh @violet hemlock
solar coral
You are not helping the discussion @violet hemlock
fervent bloom
That is the issue, using ATGMs in tournaments makes for a very boring meta where you can't push because you will be shot with rockets if you do, its the same things with tanks like foch or progetto, they were OP and any team could use them but they were still nerfed.
Any team can use them is not a valid argument against an inherently broken mechanic
manic pewter
Progetto never was op. (If dont count that reload bug)
spice briar
So you want to get to a point where you ABUSE rockets to be able to win a game?? If they asked you in the survey it would explain a lot.@violet hemlock
lunar stirrup
This is not the pb
Atgms are unbalanced @violet hemlock
viscid pasture
@violet hemlock yes agree
sly hornet
@violet hemlock this shouldn't be the new meta, let's be honest
silver vapor
All teams can USE and ABUSE rockets so what’s the problem
@violet hemlock it's not about teams can abuse it being fair - it's the concept of it even "abuse"-able in the first place that is the problem,
gentle sierra
jeez the tags
violet hemlock
I never said I liked it but it’s an even playing ground lol @spice briar. Also the point is to win, isn’t it?
chilly terrace
@manic pewter because data analyzing works much accurately then subjective impressions.
@glass thunder If meta changed in this way how current top players want, there wouldn't be any changes in top players list. It regards any game, not blitz only. But we always take into account all stuff that you all write here
@lunar stirrup You are right, but it doesn't mean that they should be removed from tournaments.
glass thunder
@chilly terrace well top players are good in any tanks like you see o good player in heavy tank in same time he would be good with tds meds and light even you did change the meta good players still doing good with td's and meds
gleaming pollen
Sheridan needs a nerf since it makes bc pretty much useless but other than that it’s ok. Bigger problem imo are collectors and premium tier 10 vehicles since everyone doesn’t have acces to get them.
manic pewter
@chilly terrace I know. Players should be first source of information and then you analyze data. Solution is somewhere between
thorn shale
@chilly terrace - the top 200-300 tournament players have been the same for the past 3 years (minus people that quit, with a few new-comers). Changing the meta doesn't alter who is a professional level player or not...
lunar stirrup
Thx, ok so at least make them balanced @chilly terrace
visual tendon
Thx, ok so at least make them balanced @chilly terrace
@lunar stirrup
With replacing rockets by simple heat... to make sheridan great again! (Or just not op lol)
lime glen
Thx, ok so at least make them balanced @chilly terrace
@lunar stirrup how many times do we have to claim we constantly track their efficiency and will adjust them if needed?
silver vapor
@manic pewter because data analyzing works much accurately then subjective impressions.
@chilly terrace a poorly designed data analyzing heuristic would generate poor results. while poor skill players would also generate poor subjective impressions, as they do not have the skill required to form holistic opinions.
When most of the data analysis and surveys are answered by players who will never be able to realize the full potential of ATGM, the results generated by it with poor skill -> poor subjective impressions -> poor biased results that favour the majority less skilled players.
gentle sierra
Why do you take into consideration the opinion of the average blitz player about a tournament related topic , the average player has trouble finding where the tournament section is let alone having played a tournament battle above tier 6 , you see most people that have a clue about blitz comp are against atgms , there are games that actually listen to the comp players about comp ralated topics , is it that hard to do the same ?
inland solstice
^^^
sly hornet
this is going in circles, we know their opinion and by the looks of it, it will not change...
chilly terrace
@silver vapor It's a bit weird to make inferences about the way of carrying out survey without information how this survey was actually carried out
manic pewter
How do you know ours are subjective impressions?
lime glen
How do you know ours are subjective impressions?
@manic pewter every single player's impression is subjective. It's known fact 😏 Mine is subjective, yours is.
lunar stirrup
In this case it is a very bad idea to put your test period during important tournaments
there was plenty of time in the off season.
@lime glen
leaden belfry
This isn't the test period though
Sherry was tested over December, got launched in January. Testing has long since been over - though they still are gathering data to hopefully remove adjust it
gentle sierra
they were still testing the new consumables for the fv and the e5 , each testing period lasts about half a year , all the data needed will be collected by 2025 dw@lunar stirrup
leaden belfry
if they had done the same cycle after this season, you'd face the same problem, but then in Twister
inland solstice
@gentle sierra so tru smh... they'll get there
solar coral
@lime glen could you make sure that the survey after spring really reach out to the ”top tournament players as a own group” so we actually can compare it?
lime glen
Sherry was tested over December, got launched in January. Testing has long since been over - though they still are gathering data to hopefully
removeadjust it
@leaden belfry i'm talking about comp environment here
leaden belfry
ahh oki, sorry. misunderstood that
mild tulip
What if everyone that doesnt want ATGM's in tournaments just boycotts them and the ppl that want to get rekt from behind a rock can go play 🤔
thorn shale
sounds good
silver vapor
@silver vapor It's a bit weird to make inferences about the way of carrying out survey without information how this survey was actually carried out
@chilly terrace I don't know there was even a survey carried out by you guys, since I never received one nor have heard one until today, but I have heard of many community figures asking us how we felt about missiles. Does that mean there's a bias on the surveying methods of Wargaming? I can't tell and I do not possess the professional skills to tell.
sly hornet
idk about a survey either to be honest
leaden belfry
that's why I'm quite curious about the number of people that took the atgm survey. I'm sure it's scientific, but I do wonder if it's representative. And I get that asking everyone could be tedious, but I feel it'd be more representative of the whole of it, as both people in favour and against it would answer it
silver vapor
and since we cannot conclude whether Wargaming's surveying methods are biased or not, the best solution is to ask anyone who's present.
mild tulip
Well...
leaden belfry
I don't think that's the survey they were referring to
There's been surveys in game about various subjects - atgm was one of them. A lot more extensive than the discord poll
chilly terrace
@silver vapor I can't tell you because I don't have professionals skills to tell as well, but I don't have any reason to mistrust these people who have skills and make it up
manic pewter
I really appreciate you really are talking here with playerbase and i hope this is the case more often
wooden pendant
@thorn shale English only please
lunar stirrup
So if I understand, there will be no changes between now and the end of the spring season...
Ok thats all for me.
fast hareBOT
thorn shale
@thorn shale in English
Help me pls 🙏🙏🙏someone have a 2th acc because wotb don’t send me MRKRABS113 (my nickname) the Löwe I hope they send me the Löwe because I’m so sad now ;,,,(
tender shell
@thorn shale Support, not here
thorn shale
@tender shell they don’t listen to it that’s not good so I’m writing here that someone help me they only write how was our support ?
patent quartz
how can you consider a mecanic that allows u to shoot without line of sight what so ever balanced as we've now been playing a game made for tanks that shoot regular round from AP to HESH for over 5 years for some players now, and you said you will never bring arty to this game, now we have missiles drifting around walls and falling out of the sky and we can't even figure out when it's been shot from since it's alight tank shooting it, not only in tournaments but even now in Ranked battles at T10 i have seen an average of 3-4 atgms per game, there's no more fun playing with/against those things, they're everywhere
thorn shale
just shoot em back, poggu
tender shell
@thorn shale This is not the right place to discuss this, nobody here can help you with your problem
glass thunder
@thorn shale how you can shot a tank when its behind a cover?
thorn shale
hmmmmm, shoot rocket
sly hornet
@glass thunder modern problems require modern sollutions
thorn shale
Whats the point complaining here when it will be ignored again like the countless polls we did on sheridans, oh look people dont like it guess what? We dont care 🤑 😆
just open wide for WG 🍑 oh and that rolling guy? Pff we didnt even pay him no problem
silver vapor
sad but true ^
obsidian vine
Like im sorry but money shouldn’t be the centre of the game and if it is, priorities are off... it’s kinda sad but it all stems down to one issue....
half urchin
edit: statistic made by hassomat in february. 🤔🤔🤔
i mean i know wargaming is a company which need to make money and professional playerbase is too small to really care about, cause it dont generate mich money etc. etc. im all fine with that. but this statistic was taken across all players, so i can be called representive
solid pine
this shouldn't even be a debate anymore.
thorn shale
@half urchin WG when they saw this: 🤑 🤣 🤷
solid pine
the fact that an is4 on the ruins near B cap on fort despair can lose 2k health and not get any shots off on the sheridan breaks the game mechanics. u r supposed to poke to get dmg off. the tank rewards people who can use a touch pad cursor. Not to mention< the fact that rolling wasn't paid for what he did is a disgrace
azure pecan
being decaped from sky without being able to do anything in B cap of mayan ruins hehe boi
glass thunder
ez if you don't like the game how wg want it don't play it
cause those guys have a plan and they will not change it
thorn shale
Don't play it - the operative advice.
Guys dont forget about this epic battle pass coming out soon? Who cares about comp when we can satisfy the 48% playerbase 😎
They throw the polls straight into the bin if it doest match their idea so it doesnt matter @solid pine
solid pine
ah yes the brains of the community. So was this poll not available to the unicums/pro playerbase? @thorn shale
"Here is a vote and if I don't agree with it, we vote again"
shrewd summit
I'm going to be frank right now with my honest opinion of all of this.
Blitz has been so focused on being different for so long that it's a bit out of touch with the player base.
Without specific requests almost every player wants new lines with already implemented mechanics such as the Swedish Tank Destroyers with Siege mode. Rather than mechanics that work in the main series we continue to receive lightly tested mechanics, that little to no people have requested.
While my statement may seem without proof it's shown through previous updates.
Update 2.8 changed Credit coefficients to become practically unprofitable regardless of performance in tiers 8-10 without the aid of premium time or being a premium tank.
Update 3.8 implemented the new Equipment system and the new currency spare parts. All of which were impractical to receive in the time frame blitz is supposed to follow being a fast paced game. Of course the system was eventually removed but it took Several years for the community to be heard.
Update 5.5 my feelings are mixed on this one as while it is beneficial to reduce seal clubbers, every tank in tiers 1-5 became a carbon copy of one another. The diversity and options to explore were removed. Barring the Howitzers in low tiers, it always excites a player to receive a new tank.
Now we have missiles, though we had these around 4.X during the T49 A event, it was fun for a while but got old as people figured out how to abuse the mechanic. Very few asked for this mechanic to return and even after many rebalance attempts players still want the Missiles removed just like Spare Parts.
While I understand some decisions must be made without the consent or opinion of the community I would like to point out that your competitive players are your representatives, no matter how indirect.
atomic tartan
Is this a bad time to add that only got rid of Spare Parts cuz the amount of players they were losing outweighed the gold spent on timers? If you ever thought for a second a year of heckling was what it took to get rid of them.... 🐵
dry flint
@thorn shale
Excuse me? Please name one English speaking competitive streamer that had better quality commentary and content than Rolling for blitz. You also seem to be under the misconception that Rolling was paid to stream, which is completely false. Your argument of “there will be a line of people signing up to steam in his place” is also stupid. Anyone can stream comp if they have the quality. It’s not a monopoly for streamers. Clearly you know nothing about competitive play or you would understand why Rolling was the best Blitz streamer. Live tournaments will not be the same without Rolling that’s a fact.
obsidian vine
Why can’t WG just spend time in making the good parts of the game better. if it’s not broken why fix it. We don’t care about making new moon maps and special events. You can tell the focus has shifted into more cartoony and new untested mechanics ( ATGMS ) and useless events, when they should be focusing on tank / maps development, balance tournaments, etc.
topaz charm
neon thistle
lol
manic pewter
I did that 👀
vital obsidian
Live tournaments will not be the same without Rolling. So true, so sad
thorn shale
EVEN if he was payed no one could replace him
gentle sierra
^^
violet hemlock
Rolling is the best
solid pine
You alienated one of your most valuable customers(Rolling). on top of that refuse to acknowledge that the missile game mechanic was a bad idea and blitz should've stuck with adding a lot more tech trees/existing game mechanics but u make the tier X tanks premiums to fill your wallets. The problems go far beyond comp play and tourneys.
arctic axle
Rolling - one of the most passionate people about the game gets whipped in the back for trying to make the game better. People try to improve and learn from their mistakes. The same happened with Brian: he believed that ATGMs would be innovative and even helped with the introduction. However he learned from his mistake and understood that they are like a parasite, slowly growing and multiplying,eventually killing its host. However you - WG introduces atgms, made little to no changes to them and kept insisting that they provide "engaging" gameplay. Not a single thought went through WGs head that the new mechanic is malicious towards the game itself. But hey, I guess money is more important than loyalty or respect.
obsidian vine
It’s not like rolling was saying everything I suggest WG have to do, but atleast take the consideration and listen to the mans...
thorn shale
WG bad, Gamers rise up
low badger
I mean its hard work to utterly trash and screw up a game missles are great and I think that they fit a narrative perfect for a dying game- lets do nothing to protect the best tournament content creator but instead leave him astray and alienate him from processes and conversation.
Hey lets balance the game off the top players in the game, but whats that? We don't want to listen to their opinions on what is blantantly unfun interaction, broken, imbalanced and honestly just jank at every turn.
warm breach
they don't care about the players only about they're wallets
low badger
It's like they took zero lessons off everytime a top level player whined about something in the game, and how the patch for it either never comes, or when there is something new to whine about.
Also five min slowmode bc why not.
graceful lily
Darn gonna miss The Rolling Mate ..
thorn shale
solid pine
@low badger its cuz they know if it wasn't slowed, people would be raging at them in here. and rightfully so. they have made so many mistakes and still believe theyre in the right
silver vapor
it's the dunning-kruger effect
thorn shale
@lime glen now you will tell me brian didnt left cos of atgms? Go read what he said in his server...
lime glen
@thorn shale did i tell you something? why do you bring this up?
solid pine
Maybe cuz its always swept under the rug.... especially surveys. the recent sheridan/t92e1 survey points to the problem pretty well
low badger
Honestly can we not throw ribble under the bus? Thats just immature and wrong. And even IF he did it- throwing that kind of attention at him is just so wrong. Shame on you. @thorn shale
vital obsidian
Now you not fair. Ribble is doing great job.
patent quartz
there's nothing more to say, Brian left and it says it all already
solid pine
@thorn shale look in #general-blitz-discussion and scroll up. his msg is posted there
thorn shale
Some time ago @lime glen you told me that you know better than me why Brian left (because i was saying he left cos atgms) So thats why i tell u that. Yeah ribble is doing perfect job like all the wg employees, not listening and losing players/streamers. Nice job.
tranquil seal
o7 Brian.
And btw this is not, in any way, Ribble's fault.
thorn shale
U guys read what he wrote? Hes just saying he was right on why brian left, dont see any personal insults
lime glen
@thorn shale find my message, read it again. And then tell us why Rolling left according to my message.
fervent bloom
None of this is Ribble's fault, keep in the mind the WG staff here are not all the WG staff who take decisions for the game, there are a lot more WG staff who aren't in this server handling decisions to be taken.
supple quartz
@lime glen I think you're smart enough to know that if someone like Rolling left this is because the actual problem is serious and you'll have to do something about it, right ?
vital obsidian
I think we have heard there will be done stuff. Hope its enough to bring Rolling back.
thorny carbon
Jesus Christ this is a mess. Peace out for a day...let’s see what happens, get the popcorn out.
fast hareBOT
thorn shale
What’s happening?
Goodluck finding a streamer to replace rolling btw, way to shoot yourself in both foot
crisp shore
I'm writing to express my dissatisfaction on how Wargaming is dealing with this situation. I'm not overly concerned about the current picture in the game but if the customer service of this game is that appalling -- giving rude answers to people's comments, apparently throwing a tantrum, negligence in listening to the mainstream opinion of the player base; I don't think the game will succeed even if everything is made into what the general player base wants. Please, Wargaming, treat the eSports players and commentators as if they are paid to play this game. Nobody would spend half of 24 hours in preparing for competitive tournaments if not for the exciting and addictive elements in the game. It would be such a real shame if it is ruined by appalling customer service.
marsh cliff
🕵️
foggy coral
Remove missiles and remove crates. After RollingSwarm leaving the game our community will start complaining even more!
Revolution starting
solid pine
@foggy coral no revolution is starting. if u don't have anything productive to say, dont say it
thorny carbon
Guys....we have to wait for wg to respond properly. If ever they do, anyway I hope so. It’s a company they can’t just go and give us officials info in two hours...anyway what is happening is pretty interesting and I can’t wait to see what will come out of it.
severe ermine
All I'll say is that WG needs to listen more to CCs and not just use them as figureheads for the game.
thorn shale
Why u warned me? @lime glen
ember hare
And they said the community sucked
rancid path
lmao this place is gonna get so toxic
graceful lily
holy moley Mates gotta learn to chill down a wee bit
low badger
@thorn shale You geniunely deserve it. I'm not going to lie- I will waste five minutes of slowmode just to let you know why. You actively called out another member of the server and put them on the spotlight and firing line. I don't know or care if its ribble or another mod, but you geniuenly deserve something
thorn shale
WG = EA
Imagine calling someone 'stupid' lol
foggy coral
@solid pine you are so stupid that you didn't have anything productive to say but you still tagged me with no reason to say something stupid and useless
pallid raven
I am sure Rolling Swarm would not want us to disrespect the people he has worked with!
thick crystal
🍿 this is a mess yall.wg wont take you seriously if you post things like this ^^ aka the insult
thorn shale
If only some top players were WG Devs, this game would be so much better
lime glen
@thorn shale coming together and so on is impossible unless you guys realize that there are lots of people with different opinion. And their opinion matters as much as yours. After that we all have to put emotions away and be constructive. Instead of spamming 'WG doesn't give a crap, doesn't listen' in this channel, in other channels and in my private messages.
Why u warned me? @lime glen
@thorn shale i didn't
thorn shale
You don’t understand @low badger i didnt said brian left cos of ribble. And im not disrepcting ribble. Just talking about why brian left (atgms) ribble told that wasnt the main reason but it is. Dont talk bullshit of me when u dont even know the purpose of my messages.
@lime glen someone did warned me and deleted one of my messages
wooden pendant
@thorn shale I warned you. Language
fast hareBOT
mossy crane
"Lots of people with different opinions"
Lol probly like 99.8% of the players want ATGM removed
lime glen
You don’t understand @low badger i didnt said brian left cos of ribble. And im not disrepcting ribble. Just talking about why brian left (atgms) ribble told that wasnt the main reason but it is. Dont tall bullshit of me when u dont even know the purpose of my messages.
@lime glen someone did warned me and deleted one of my messages
@thorn shale someone? or me? Enough finger pointing
patent quartz
i'd like to see what another survey will give u as an answer regarding ATGMs in the game, by simple curiosity, i think the votes would be doubled, and the playerbase answer the same
chilly hemlock
@mossy crane 99%
ember hare
I agree, another survey for ATGMs
graceful lily
Understand the frustration but dont see it neccessary to single out one individual ..Decisions are made sometimes move on.Opinions can conflict yes .No need to WW# over it
lime glen
"Lots of people with different opinions"
Lol probly like 80% of the players want ATGM removed
@mossy crane this is what i'm talking about. Show me that data. Give me details about research you've made to get those 80%
manic pewter
Blasters screenshot was pretty accurate
thorn shale
I am pretty sure that no pro player (that i see here) has any idea how to balance out the ATGMs, while keeping it’s main ability. I wonder why that is... maybe because there IS no way to do it? Also i tried reading through all of this but all i see are insults and shots fired towards one another.. Not cool. @chilly hemlock That is what i am saying myself. @low badger the issue here are the attacks on each other and you proceed to curse too? Tune it down, you don’t want to anger the guy.
chilly hemlock
Missiles can’t be balanced @thorn shale
But that’s for #tank-balance-discussion
Not here
@thorn shale watch your language
Behave civilly or you won’t be allowed here
low badger
@thorn shale You're literally calling him out for some quote he may or may not have said, ribble doesn't even remember at this point on a server that is extremely active, where half the people (including myself don't understand the context behind the alledged quote.) You're just assuming that I think rolling left bc of ribble, of course not. Ribble is too chad of a guy to let that kind of thing slide, and he isn't a developer- or the person responsible for handling people like rolling. I at least know more about the company they work for than some imbecile like you who doesn't take anything of this nature to pm. And your messages literally have no purpose at all, calling about ribble for not listening at all. He responds to my dms every time I needed help, or had a question and that is more than I can say than some members of my own clan. Your whole logic relies on a strawman and a fall guy at this point.
thorn shale
@thorn shale someone? or me? Enough finger pointing
@lime glen You cant understand np. I just will stop writing here because seems that half people cant even read and understand what i say. Have a nice day.
toxic drift
Am I the only one who likes missiles?...
foggy coral
just apply what people said in surveys here on the server. most of people said missiles are OP and they don't like them. add another survey in game so more people will answer (make it impossible to skip) and then remove missiles, simple
chilly hemlock
Seriously. Everyone take a step back and take a deep breath. Get off of Ribbles back for things beyond his control
rancid path
imagine if this chat had no slowmode
mossy crane
According to Raik it's 99% but eh
Mostly from what i see in this server
Not much of us have ATGM tanks, and some or most that do wants ATGMs removed anyway
Yes the 80% is baseless and all but
It's kinda like for every 1 player that likes ATGMs here, 4 or more others wants them gone
thorn shale
Data mined from discord, the forum, or any place other than the game itself cannot be accurate. The overwhelming majority of the player base is not active on social media platforms. They are the silent majority. The only place where you can get accurate polling data is by doing in game surveys. We do not have access to the data that those surveys supply.
It isn't what you want to hear but you are most likely the vocal minority. And while you are heavily vested in the game you do not necessarily have the same wants, needs, and desires as the silent majority.
graceful lily
affirmative iRaik as said Stuff happens 🍻
solid pine
Its not so much about rolling. its more about evidence being presented from not only tourneys but every game mode that missiles are in fact broken. I ope WG will act accordingly especially due to the current spring season preliminaries proving that missiles make it impossible to counter at times
gentle sierra
@green plover depends on when it stops making 💰 like what happened to spare parts
thorn shale
I guess gaseo was referring to this message
patent quartz
who will be streaming prof tourneys other than Amaunet? their's not only 1 match, there are 4 happening at the same time during a prof tournament or twister, doesn't this make sens to anyone?
glass thunder
tbh you don't need surveys with just a few game knowledge you know that giving an unfair advantage is not good idea
@patent quartz its good now others cant see our tactics xd
lime glen
@lime glen I think there is a way to make the player base happy. I don’t believe in the crap stuff. I know both sides really hate each other right now, but maybe if there was a way we could incorporate suggestions into a channel, everyone could tell the staff their problems with the game. After that, you have to come up with some fixes the public strongly agrees with and have to earn the community’s trust. Please just ignore that small 20 percent of silly players. I hope you consider my suggestion as I am trying to help the game survive through this crisis. Also
@thorn shale i don't see any suggestion to be honest. We were completely open about atgms and told we would be ready to adjust tanks, adjust mechanics and even remove mechanics if it doesn't work out. I tell about our plans over and over again but it's ignored by players why think their opinion is genuine truth.
fast hareBOT
thorn shale
@lime glen Will this be like spare parts where after however long you guys will realize this is a bad mechanic and you guys are losing players over it and will remove it? !
We are not happy with this. Whoever can should start to realize that we are not viewing this game as fun as we used to think it was or enjoy it as much. We as in your long time players
thick crystal
Plus that silent majority doesnt have as much experience as a veteran player who plays comp or high tiers constantly.
thorn shale
"Lots of people with different opinions"
What a nice meme I actually laughed 🤡
@thorn shale issue is he took that sentence and interpreted it as an attack to his ego @thorn shale just read your messages again mate, it clearly looks like you put all the blame on Ribble, or assume that it is his fault because he is not answering the way you’d like 🙂
I guess gaseo was referring to this message
@thorn shale << YES thanks. People think im saying rolling left cos of ribble. And its not what im saying... BRIAN didnt left because of ribble. He left cos of atgms and wg dont argue with him.
@thorn shale but its not like that bro
wooden pendant
@thick crystal How do you know what % of the silent majority is/isn’t veteran/comp players?
sly axle
I wouldnt be surprised if many of the players voting about atgms being a good mechanic have not even played tiers 8, 9, or 10.
toxic drift
I would be mad if the missiles got removed, if they were made prem or collectors I would be ok with that
ember hare
@lime glen would taking auto aim off missiles help?
chilly hemlock
Stop pinging ribble for no reason
obsidian vine
Nah just remove the ATGM mechanic, and leave them as T49s at tier 9 and 10...
pallid raven
F
graceful lily
oof i gotta go before brain malfunctions ..Carry on RibbleStripe .Doing whatyou do..You dudes smarten up sensible talk not the dishing people baloney chat
thorn shale
F
arctic axle
Rolling is related to tournament. Missiles are related to Rolling leaving. Therefore there is logic to put discussion about missiles here
patent quartz
@lime glen by the time you said you were opened to debate about atgms everyone was still learning how to use those, and by the time it was mastered you already locked down on your "plan" to keep it, i think now that "everyone's" mind is clear enough you should retry to put a survey and think of it a second time, would help much more than you think.
silver vapor
Missiles do not belong to comp 🍞
thick crystal
Comp and veteran players actually look for ways to communicate with devs or the community unlike such "silent majority" thats stuck in game and doesnt know about the current discord nor forums or streams.its rare to find a comp player that doesnt use forums nor discord. A veteran can range from a high tier player to a low tier seal clubber.
rose grove
Lol I remember a survey ran by WG and they didnt give us an option to even select removing atgms or suggest their removal XD. Hope you know, the in game survey didnt show it either
tranquil seal
Well i clearly remeber Brian complaining about crates and T22 way before sheridan was even put into testing. And I genuinely think AGTMs (and the relative slowness in dealing with the issue) were just what made him quit since he was already dissatisfied with a lot of stuff. Some of which were not probably even explicit in that message. Of course crates are important to wg income so discussing that is difficult. I think agtms, being completely accessible to everyone, should be open to discussion a little more.
I also believe the vast majority of the playerbase just does not care of any of these issues because for them this is just like another mobile game. But here is the mistake, in my opinion. Some players are, in fact, more authoritative than others and this is maybe not taken enough into account. If the top competitive community and the testers say something, it's probably on everyone's interest to listen to them as much as possible. I know this is not democratic but that's it. You could maybe implement surveys into the game client itself, with some kind of pop up, when you face this kind of issues. And compare the results with another survey taken within the current top 16 clans. Not everybody can be pleased but maybe trying to please the people who put passion and effort in this game would be wiser. A big thanks to everyone here trying to actively discuss positively what happened.
chilly hemlock
Nope
gentle sierra
@tranquil seal wdym t22 is as good as it tech tree counterparts 100%
rancid path
i dont understand why people would oppose missiles leaving the game (other that they club them). The sheridan will still be a decent/good tank without missiles, its not gonna kill the game or ruin everybody's lives. but if u have a different reason id love to hear it
lime glen
Lol I remember a survey ran by WG and they didnt give us an option to even select removing atgms or suggest their removal XD.
@rose grove it's great you brought this up. Perfect example of cooperation between clans and WG. Thanks for letting us know such approach is useless.
obsidian vine
?
thorn shale
@patent quartz been preaching the same idea for a while now, the fact that ATGMs, compared to any other tank in the game, have an unlimited potential, and this seems to be what slips under WG’s radar. @mossy crane false.
🤦♂️
peak terrace
Wait a minute...
sly hill
I guess WG want to hold on to the ATGMs
coarse roost
Guys calm down pls... And please don't take your pent-up frustrations out on Ribble.
thorn shale
another random that understood badly @coarse roost
I guess WG want to hold on to the ATGMs
Yea, they want to sell premium atgms, make ez $
mossy crane
Maybe WG cares more about keeping the "silent majority" (who likes ATGMs, apparently) in the game
I mean like who cares if Rolling leaves, it's just one player gone amirite?
Oi wasnt the heavy buff for countering ATGMs (and their "OP-ness")?
sly axle
Why compare people complaining about atgms with complaining about other comp tanks. The normal complaining from a slightly overcooked tank usually dies down after a month. I have not seen any complaining about the heavy buff? I wonder why. But there are SO many people complaining about the missile tanks.
There is no reason a tank should have such a massive advantage over other tanks. This is frankly one of the biggest reasons why rollingswarm quit.
Also, Dont be surprised if you see super conq in crates because thats what seems to be the pattern with Tier X prem/collectors.
glass thunder
@green plover yes so true i don't even get how they did think that it could be balanced or good for the game
cunning zephyr
This mechanic changed the competitive meta. Every time when competitive meta changes, there is a lot of discontent from competitive players. If we remember all changes, we'll realize that every time we could see such statements: "IS-7 broke tournaments", "IS-4 broke tournaments", "FV215b broke tournaments", "Foch broke tournaments", etc. But finally all these tanks have become tanks which are nice part of the meta due, including, balance edits.
@chilly terrace
This is incorrect, we have liked the meta change away from mediums. What we want is a meta where one single tank doesn't massively overpower all of the others.
dim pivot
@green plover i already mentioned the streams, i got this
thorn shale
@cunning zephyr no one liked the meta change away from the mediums
rancid path
@thorn shale bruh lmaoo
thorn shale
@cunning zephyr and a meta where you can easily make a composition for tournament where a Sheridan isn’t vital to be somewhat sure you can lock down couple positions(game winning ones). @thick crystal you don’t have to be sorry for others’ actions
lime glen
i wish you all a great day/evening. Take care, i'm out.
fervent bloom
Take care ribble
dry flint
Have a good one
thick crystal
Take care ribble,sorry for the disaster here and lack of civility.
chilly hemlock
EVERYONE, please take this time to write out your thoughts calmly and CIVILLY. Ribble will read everything tomorrow
thorn shale
#bringbackrolling
ember hare
Put a survey for missiles
obsidian vine
#RemoveATGMsBringBackRolling
fluid steppe
#RemoveATGMsBringBackRolling
thorn shale
#RemoveATGMsBringBackRolling
sly hill
It’s his own personal choice really, so when one of the players left that you liked, you are all upset lol?
noble pond
#RemoveATGMsBringBackRolling
mossy crane
Lol stop posting #bringbackrolling and uninstall Blitz already.
Since WG listens to data, maybe they will listen to data showing hundreds of players disappearing 😂
Well since i already uninstalled
#RemoveATGMsBringBackRolling
solid bobcat
#RemoveATGMsBringBackRolling
sly axle
#RemoveATGMSBringBackRolling
thorn shale
#RemoveATGMsBringBackRolling
silver vapor
#RemoveATGMsBringBackRolling
peak terrace
#RemoveATGMsBringBackRolling
thorn shale
#RemoveATGMsBringBackRolling
solid pine
#RemoveATGMsBringBackRolling
thorn shale
#RemoveATGMsBringBackRolling
stone sun
sheridan and t92 can still be played like the t49 idc if u remove atgm since i dont use missiles because i have no credits. and,
#RemoveATGMsBringBackRolling
patent quartz
#RemoveATGMsBringBackRolling
atomic quest
#RemoveATGMsBringBackRolling
remote mountain
#RemoveATGMsBringBackRolling
arctic axle
#RemoveATGMsBringBackRolling
floral python
#RemoveATGMsBringBackRolling
wispy quiver
#keepatgms
swift turtle
#RemoveATGMsBringBackRolling
thorn shale
#RemoveATGMsBringBackRolling
civic glacier
#RemoveATGMsBringBackRolling
supple quartz
#RemoveATGMsBringBackRolling
frozen schooner
#RemoveATGMsBringBackRolling
spare eagle
#RemoveATGMsBringBackRolling
crude parcel
#RemoveATGMsBringBackRolling
stable canyon
Just copy pasting this won't help guys
fading brook
#RemoveATGMsBringBackRolling
wooden pendant
Please stop the spamming of a hashtag. If you want to help, spamming a short phrase isn’t the way. It requires calm and civil discourse
wide basalt
#RemoveATGMsBringBackRolling
stable canyon
Rolling made his decision, made his reasons clear so I very much doubt he will be back. And using a # over and over on a Discord can hardly be called a representative picture of what the community wants
humble current
#RemoveATGMsBringBackRolling
lime glen
Time for a friendly reminder. This is tournaments channel. If we can't have a healthy conversation here, we won't have one.
From now on your hashtag spam will cause nothing except mute.
fast hareBOT
lime glen
next?
manic pewter
BTW what do you like how heavy buff changed tournaments?
wooden pendant
I hope you guys realize that spamming will not help anything
marsh cliff
chill bois, spamming there gives and changes nothing lol
fast hareBOT
elfin anvil
@manic pewter the meta is probably the most interesting for atleast a year, but atgms make it hard to enjoy
chilly terrace
Attention! Important notification!
The one of our goals is the procuring high-quality broadcasts during the season. In that regard, we have to remove Hellas map from Professionals tournament, because we detected several difficulties which are related to observer mode on this map.
Changes were made to the following rounds:
Group stage, round 6: Hellas map was replaced by Naval Frontier map.
Final stage, Upper bracket, round 1: Hellas map was replaced by Canal map.
candid pike
😥😥
chilly terrace
Attention! Important notification!
Due the reasons, mentioned above, Normandy map was removed from Professionals tournament as well.
Changes were made to the following rounds:
Group stage:
Round 3: Normandy map was replaced by Faust map.
Round 7: Normandy map was replaced by Port Bay map.
pale finch
Now let’s remove new bay Artyom : )
chilly terrace
@pale finch No way =)
spice briar
😦
fathom tiger
Bruh
jade spoke
And add gravity mode map
wooden pendant
@thorn shale English only please
versed field
New bay is joke
thorn shale
+1 new bay remove
dim pivot
+2
Wow 30 mins, i regret my +2
upper oar
rip Normandy, that’s one of the more balanced and dynamic maps
pale finch
Yeah, new bay is indeed a joke. One of the more poorly designed maps in the game imo, I mean a new type of environment is fine.. in randoms. The placement of the bases and the areas around them makes the map insufferable in tournaments. IMO.
thorn shale
And the reason is observer mode 🤣
atomic tartan
i like new bay cuz my house is literally modeled in the map.
worn bolt
Under the bridge? :dab:
thorn shale
rekt
low badger
@atomic tartan I can see the donut store I never wanted to eat at
olive venture
UwU
thorn shale
if anyone is doing a tourney pls dm me i need credit
checking other teams doesnt work, spectator mode is still gone and we had like 5 different maps in total during 10 meetings, of which 3 times was New Bay... This isnt much fun like this
glass thunder
this a normal bug happen many time just restart the game
thorn shale
:/
glass thunder
@chilly terrace if a clan have 2 teams can one team play pro tournament and other play challengers?
thorn shale
This chat is only for tournaments and spring season discussions. Please use #tourneys-team-search if you are looking for tournament players. Thank you.
faint scaffoldBOT
pooop#0901 has been warned.
dense pike
@versed field
hybrid galleon
How do I look at tournament V-VI
wooden pendant
@tender wren English only please
Solo inglés por favor
fallow shard
coool
thorn shale
@spice briar👍👌😉
spice briar
🙃
sonic flame
It's so stupid if a clan doesn't have tickets for today's tournament, the people from their 2 clan who have a ticket can join their clan and then play the tournament ...
It is not fair that a clan that has no tickets can still play in the ticket tournament today by bringing their second clan into their clan.
waxen otter
leaden belfry
@chilly terrace what is WG's stance on this? From what I understand, players from K4- that got a ticket, and are now joining F-B-I so that they can play tonight, while F-B-I didn't qualify last Thursday and didn't get a ticket themselves
tender swallow
if that is allowed its rly stupid
slender flare
Like BHBP, ILGNI or W1N ve chance for top 8 but no cos of that wtf
lapis epoch
oh lmao what a cheap play
I think they checked for emulators after being asked so its not that bad
odd basalt
cheap
gilded bloom
WG won't care. 😠
Same thing with Emulators, aimbots and "clan-accounts" with 10 users
PLS delete slow mode
@leaden belfry Hey. They check top8 players. But the way they get into it they don't check . So?
leaden belfry
I'm not so sure. They are keeping track of a lot more than previous seasons with regards to account sharing and all, without being asked to check, so I want to be a little positive here
I'm also digging into the tournament rules to say what it says
the Professionals rules are clear on stuff like this
but for Ascent, it's hard to find the rulebook 🤔
thorn shale
@chilly terrace pls fix this issue! It’s really unfair for other clans like the ones rekty mentioned
glass thunder
True also fix 2 teams in one clan. Fbi and k4 are aliance for this they done that
And best option make one tournament so you cant change you clan
@thorn shale i agree but its same case as 2 teams in one clan
lets hope we get improved system for twister to make all fair. And clans stop. Count one 2 teams to get more points
thorn shale
but its kinda not fair is it @glass thunder
silver vapor
why not just make it two stages in 1 go? teams that are in top 4 in their group advances to the stage on Saturday?? Equivalent to this two separate tournaments but minus the whole ticket issue
azure pecan
well as rekty said, its unfair for teams like W1N that are close to top8... hope wg find a solution
pale finch
Yikes, recruiting a whole new team because you missed out on tickets yourself is kind of morally wrong towards W1N, LXN, IMM0R who’s competing for the top spots and at least one of them would enter top 8 now because of FBI’s absence. Might not be wrong by the rules but scuffed in terms of moral either way. Personally I’d say it’s complete bs.
timid dock
It is kinda sad..
gentle sierra
#how2beatthesystem
stark finch
@pale finch ❤️ +1
stark crow
+2
inland solstice
+3 v cheap move
shadow topaz
+4
steady nexus
+5
young valve
So I wanted to post that in NA at least but I suspect in other regions. There is a big point bump if you make the Saturday tournament. So the biggest difference maker to make Top 8 is making sure you make all 8 saturday tournaments. If you miss one Saturday you effectively miss out on 2371 points you would get for just showing up for Saturday (that is assuming 17 to 32 teams).
The proposal is add another bump for Top 8. That would make the Top 8 leaderboard a lot more dynamic and have teams controlling their own destiny. What happens now is if a team misses a Saturday they end up just hoping that other teams miss a Saturday which is their only hope of making the top 8.
With this proposal a team that missed a Saturday could make it up by makign the Top 8 and better control their own destiny.
I get that NA is smaller and the tournament setup does work well for larger regions like RU BUT I think this would work for all regions.
versed field
😂😂 is this joke? Or how this can be even possible. I would like to call this riggering but... cant find rules of ascents
winter light
This is just sad, just disqualify
gentle sierra
its sneaky , btw nice 30min cooldown
visual tendon
in the fact, its allowed, we're not the first and not the last to do this
azure pecan
who already did it
well we dont know if its allowed but i dont think there were a text precisely forbidding this case thats why we are waiting for rexy s answer
#30mins cooldown
gilded bloom
@visual tendon It is unfair.
slender flare
We could do the same thing with BC then, but nah cos of its arent allowed, FBI cant take 7 players its their own problem.
thorn shale
the best thing its that is actually allowed... @slender flare but its unfair asf
thanks for 30minutes cooldown
tender swallow
yes it may be allowed but its unfair for any clan that cant do that, unsportsmanlike and just not the way these tournaments shoudl be played.
patent quartz
@thorn shale (tbh i didnt come with the idea) u think we'll have a lot of friends after this?...
thorn shale
This Season should be about how well you play and not about how many friends u have that are willing to join and play in your clan just because your own team failed.
FBI is one of the strongest clans right now but they failed to get a ticket. Now other people have to save them while clans like W1N, BHBP, IMMOR and LXN have to suffer? Come on that’s big bs. If you don’t get a ticket, that’s your fault but don’t ruin other clans season because your „sister-clan“ would help you out
Again, the Top8 should be about how well you did and not about how many friends you have to join your team and how much you can trick the system
stark crow
On the one hand, it's not fair play at all , and in the other , wg doesn't forbid it and this is the real problem not fbi fault
Agree aswell with ThediamondDude
inland solstice
it is very low that you are prepared to do something such as this, just defies the entire idea of fair play tbh. This should not be done regardless even if it is allowed... also agree with the TheDiamondDude
pale finch
I also agree with the diamond dude, there’s 10 players in the team for a reason. No matter if you have ping or whatever you should be able to field 7 players and if you don’t win you don’t win, simple as. Accept your defeat and move on. Also I 100% support what Violetta said.
crimson island
Tickets should be assigned to a clan.
If a player leaves a clan, he should not be able to use it in another clan ...
sly hornet
good suggestion violetta, but now it's not the case so no problem
urban saddle
@visual tendon @patent quartz you are one of the best professional team, leave K4 from the clan, and look the stream today, be reasonable and use your civic sense, don't be like the others... This teams streamed must show beautiful games for who can't play professional tourneys. Boys please... You will be more respected as people if you now stop this unfair joke... We need to be serious for make this game more beautiful and known in all the world, this is not the right way... 🥴
Be a strong team is beauty, but be a strong and respected team is beautiful and rewarding...
dreamy adder
& then FBI cries when a team benefits from the WR seeding
thorn shale
@pale finch well said
NA had a similar situation arise last year when a clan didn’t qualify so they initially had members from a family clan join them in order to register
If my memory servers correct they unregistered the team as a result of the controversy
But I’m not surprised another situation like it is happening again
Definitely should not be allowed IMO
hoary ridge
I think its sad that FBI didnt get a ticket for the saturday Tournament because they played very good and the belong to the top8 for 100%!!! But getting some ppl in the Clan with a ticket after Not getting one at thursday is very unsportmanlike
gilded bloom
Can someone pls delete this 30m slow-mode? Do it on 1m or smthing like this but a half hour is tooo long...
winter light
Sure they deserve it, but it's your own fault if you have to troll against DEMOH and in the next round someone is AFK
thorn shale
tobi is right... stop this 30mins cool down pleaseee
slender flare
We will see,at this stage we don't know if it's against the rules or not
gentle sierra
I think its not against the rules
visual tendon
I agree in the sense that it is morally complicated. However, as I said, we are neither the first nor the last to do this. I hesitated a lot before making my decision but to be honest ... Why make efforts when people have never done so (for example a lot of clan who used full reroll team to have a WR> 70% ... still today..hum) .FBI has always been fair in cw contrary to many others. To be honest I still hesitate but my honesty will never be rewarded
analog osprey
FBI UPUP
azure pecan
There is no rule that describes precisely this case for sure
But if i remember correctly the question of fairplay is aborded in these rules so it should take effect as it happened on NA apparently
#30mins cooldown
@patent quartz Everyone is agree to say that FBI has the level to be in top8 its not the problem, just we are all in the same situation and the move itself isnt fair regarding the teams you mentionned, going in training room to clarify your team level is same as keeping this move like it is and achieving top8 with it
graceful jetty
I have another matter completely. Today in 1st stage we have castilla as the first map then in 2nd stage we have castilla again although we got streamed for the first stage. Its very unfair and we know for a fact the opposing team watched the stream because they blindfired where our 62a was and made their strats to counter ours both games. Thankfully for the other spawn we changed our strat but we didnt have anything ready for the other side. I know the map picker is random but at least for ticketed ascent isnt it possible to make sure the same map isnt picked twice back to back? Its completely unfair @chilly terrace
We've played a lot of scrims vs them and we've never once seen either of those strats.
Ninjaa- Because we're having trouble with castilla north and thats the only one weve been able to make work.
marsh cliff
So if you knew that they watched stream, why you didnt changed strat lol
-ok
patent quartz
As burgour said, we've never been unsportmanlike in any way, and i think we've shown a lot already, and to show it to you we'll be ready to open a training room a gather our whole main team tc only BO3, for whatever team is complaining and willing us to deny our "operation", if we win (main FBI team) we keep going, if we lose against any team we play against, we deny it all (i'm mainly talking about W1N, LXN or IMMOR that are more likely able to have access top8), any leader of those team please let me know asap, not much time left, it's a chance for you as we're more likely losing it than winning.
inland solstice
lol that makes it all ok? if you think that is the correct solution smh... you guys made a mistake and lost, that is down to you... you shouldn't rely on the help of a sister clan to bail you out in this situation. a training room battle is pointless... what are the chances that w1n, lxn and immor can get their teams ready before you register this team... imo this is morally pathetic and a blatant exploitation of a loophole that shouldn't exist in the first place
fringe galleon
Training room battles solves nothing. Imo tickets should be given to clan, not players to prevent this kind of situations. Dont know what WG will think or do, but i see this unsportsmanlike and morally wrong. Shouldnt be possible to invite 10 new players to your clan if you miss a ticket. This is only my opinion, not our clans.
thorn shale
If this happend before why didnt WG fix it? unluck for everyone lulul 🥖
slender flare
@patent quartz so if IMMOR, LXN or W1N could beat K4, FBI should delete the team? Cos of K4 is planning to play tonight instead of FBI, but this idea is kinda stoopid 🤷♂️
topaz berry
thorn shale
Sure we can play against K4, no problem. They are the ones who get your cups so they should enter the ring
Despite that: a battle would be useless. No one said FBI is not strong enough to enter the top8, they just don’t deserve any Cups for today
versed field
Agree with diamonddude👆
timid dock
Agree
pale finch
Agreed with diamonddude, im not a big fan of LXN personally and some of their players but if they have more cups than the fbi main team then they deserve the spot in top 8. Same thing for imm0r and w1n, you guys messed up and now you have to face the consequences of doing so. Even if you dont play this saturday you would still have a chance at top 8 next week even though it would be relatively slim. I'm not some self proclaimed saint but i feel like its just wrong if you reach top 8 thanks to someone else.
stark crow
^
thorn shale
i totally agree with z1rd
@analog osprey being in same clan doesnt mean we have to share same opinions. But now we do, like most of LXN, IMMOR and W1N players.
analog osprey
Miguel i think it’s logic u are agree with zird
Yes but I don’t write I’m with them I don’t need
dreamy adder
Miguel i think it’s logic u are agree with zird
@analog osprey you too with FBI
violet hemlock
Feel bad for lxn/w1n:(
solar coral
English only
please write readable stuff
glass thunder
You guys are free ,think as you want we see it as having 2 teams in same clan like many do and wg made it clear that they allow having more than 1 team and they count best team result I did ask rexy before if i got a ticket in a team and go play in other one and he said its allowed if you feels bad for something its should be the ascent system and th wr seeding (1 battle with 100% wr make all team wr higher and get them ez match) it don’t look nice but its allowed and any clan can use many teams to get better chances , plus you cant blame us for that i did report this to wg before and they did nothing about it
inland solstice
but its not having 2 teams in clan? because one is FBI and one is K4. regardless of if you are sister clans. @marsh cliff second teams which are in the clan. we would not need to do the same as we have 2 teams in the MAIN clan.
gentle sierra
Lol , the thing is we are talking about 2 separate clans , if you are that close with k4 why dont you recruit them in the clan from the start ? . And massive the system may not be perfect but it does the job in determining the top 8 . It doesn't matter if you finish 8th or 1st during the ascents , what matters is what you do in prof so dont try to use it as an excuse for what you are doing.
And its really a pointless arquement overall , we can do nothing really , only wg can , when and if they decide to look into it (not talking about the seeding)
marsh cliff
Can you see any K4 players in FBI? I can see that all fbi players have FBI clan tag.
We just created 2nd team same as immor,apa and much more clans have it
@inland solstice im sure if imreq gets tickets and immor not you will do same
Ok than i am wrong sorry @vital obsidian
Agree @tender swallow
vital obsidian
Ninja. You are wrong.
tender swallow
Abusing the win rate system isnt comparable to this... yes we have a 1 game account in our team regulary but we still faced EG- in the quarterfinal last saturday and we would have played against you on thursday in the second round. And dont tell me that Demoh is a way harder opponent than ttt (they both have 60% team winrate). And no you are not doing the same as immor and so on because you are not in the same clan... congrats @visual tendon but you dont get the point, it doenst help you as much as getting yourself a second team from another clan.
visual tendon
Don't worry, we faced EG- too, (and we won) And K4 are our brothers since a long time... we always help each others in cw...@tender swallow
slender flare
Tbh i bet for FBI will get top of 4 this year cos they ve amazing team but they ve failed. And its unfair against us, but have u seen before WG dont listen to their players (RollingSwarm) its just waste of time to bully each others. Leave them alone im pretty sure WG will find the best way.
thorn shale
FBI dont play so rekty can get top 8 🙏
manic pewter
For me respect was gone since last twister. I dont know if its worth to sell all respect for place in professionals but everyone has their way to go.
”As burgour said we never been unsportsmanlike in any way”. As i remember there was players from FBI losing rewards in last twister after carna, w1n and fbi got same points and WG decided situation by themselves.
patent quartz
@manic pewter nvm, well we all agree now that this was written on the rules so, we dont mind this anymore, anyway got stuff to do.
waxen otter
FBI didnt have a second team on thursday, so they shouldn‘t be able to play today, because they didnt get a ticket
violet hemlock
Can wg tell us what they think pls? Lol
dreamy adder
here are the rules
versed field
Fbi thinks rules are not for them
inland solstice
also rule 11.
winter light
@frosty nexus / @chilly terrace can we get an anwser, please?
bright tundra
By the same logic, in order to improve their chances of qualifying, W1N can swap teams with LGN, LXN can swap with RA1D etc. Maybe it’s legal, maybe it’s not. It is however the exact same logic. Souls can pull out their credit cards and hire APA’s top team for the next 3 tournaments. APA will still be top 8 if Souls 2nd team plays for them. Easy.
pale finch
I mean technically as I personally interpret this I think it should be considered a breach of fair play. If you received a ticket for playing in another team to use it somewhere else where you didn’t earn it I can view that as a breach of fair play. Because team A is supposed to have tickets while team B isn’t. By swapping teams and therefore getting cups to another team and benefiting them they negatively impact the chances of other teams to compete. However fair play is a very wide thing and you cat interpret it in different ways. But I would consider this breach of the fair play rules personally.
urban saddle
FBI is this the way u want to be greatest?
Playing with 2 teams? U want to be remembered as "FBI the EU team unfair?"
I think you r better than this...
visual tendon
FBI didnt have a second team on thursday, so they shouldn‘t be able to play today, because they didnt get a ticket
@waxen otter Yes we had, in the last twister we did the same mistake (miss a ticket) so we almost didn't qualify. For thoose pro tournaments we prepared this, thanks to our brothers clan... In the fact K4 moved to FBI, it was planned, not for now but it was planned for one day or another... We asked rexy if it was possible to change clan during ascents... Yes it is...WG will decide anyway... @urban saddle to answer your question we are already given a lot of devaluing name and this unjustly, one more will not affect us much, we'll respect the rules anyway
atomic tartan
I don’t think they care what any of you think. If they want to be EU Mercy, so be it. Let them.
thorn shale
Best season ever: rockets, brian leaving us, emulator users and now fbi wants to add their bs to it. Why you put Top8 over fairness, sportsmanship and respect? most of the fbi guys had a Top8 success already and others like bhbp, IMMOR and us didn’t.
I agree with zird: I also think that it’s falling under the rule of fair play. The tournament is clan based, not mixed. If you play in K4 and earn your ticket in K4 then just keep playing in K4. It’s simple as that
slender flare
@visual tendon ok FBI will get top of 8 and K4 will be out from middle echlon, so K4 players will plays in Proff tournament too? / Cos of K4 team B will lose in their first match
echo wagon
A team wich is not able to win a single round against rank 21 should not be in top8. Maby you only play with 6 guys, but this is your fault. Something like that should not happen in a 10 men team, wich tries to play proffesional. When you loose because you dont play serious, dont cry and cheat to other teams wich play fair all the time. When you really play today with k4 and next week, i hope you will loose every battle cause of carma
gentle sierra
They will play as fbi's second team in the challengers tournament or whatever its called , Rexy 👀
hoary ridge
I would recommend everybody to calm down a bit and wait for Wargamings decision!
And why is this stupid slow mode still activated with 30min
Anyway can U reduse it to Like 1min or smth so WE can discuss stuff?
tender swallow
so you have to edit your message 20 times
chilly terrace
@glass thunder No, only one team for one tournament. Professionals or Challengers, depends on Echelon.
@leaden belfry Literally, it's not prohibbited in this season, because there is not any rule about this. Any players can change clan during qualifiers. But this case is really unpleasent and we definetely will regulate such cases in rules in further.
@graceful jetty
We reserve the right to set any observers on any matches, because we trust any observer whom we allow to stream matches. Thus you should be ready for being streamed in any match.
@hoary ridge @tender swallow The slow mode was enabled because the most participants of this chat forgot that there is not place for flood here.
azure pecan
So for this time FBi won't be affected for this move, but it will be forbidden in the future right @chilly terrace
gilded bloom
👎 bad news
rolling was not wrong
chilly terrace
@azure pecan It will be regulated somehow in rules in future, right. And FBI won't be affected for this move this time.
waxen otter
Rip fairplay
timid dock
Hmm oke
versed field
....... Im wordless
shadow topaz
Gg LXN, W1N, Imm0r
winter light
** FairPlay **
thorn shale
what about the rules of fair play??? Player conduct, rules 5 and 8. Bruh
Pls low the 30 minutes cool down
violet hemlock
Nice 👍 so sportsman’s like and fair play
inland solstice
thanks wg, deal with it in future after we have all quit blitz. you say case is unpleasant? deal with it then.
thorn shale
rip rekty for top 8 😤
stark crow
Lol Venti , u still on this x)
cloud saddle
Unfair play, but logical move. This is how desperate people work 😉
dreamy adder
@leaden belfry Literally, it's not prohibbited in this season, because there is not any rule about this. Any players can change clan during qualifiers. But this case is really unpleasent and we definetely will regulate such cases in rules in further.
@chilly terrace as specified above and by you on the forum in the rules of the professional & challengers tournament, disrespecting the principles of fair play may be punished. Those rules logically apply to its qualifiers.
It's completely unfair to not apply it now & only in the future, which would make of F-B-I the only clan which benefits from it
bright tundra
@chilly terrace to be clear. Is it perfectly ok if LXN pull out their credit card and pay the LGN team to switch to their clan right now, for today’s tournament, so that they help them qualify?
vital obsidian
Theoretically, its then okay to swap the players from a quaranteed top8 clan with a clan just below top 8 v
thorn shale
Very interesting 🤔 why is the season clan based anyways? Just make it mixed, let’s not care about clans and teams because that seem to be worthless. People can just go from one clan to another to basically screw hall of fame over #MakeBlitzFairAgain
manic pewter
Gotta focus to win the rest of the tournaments. We havent been playing well enough at this point. GL to everyone at evening
slender flare
@chilly terrace this Spring season is a joke, APA using emultors, FBI unfair game play also WG lost one of the best commentator, it only happened cos of WG never listen to their players.
crimson island
@tranquil seal 🥳
tranquil seal
@crimson island come to immor
Edit: 😂🤣
topaz berry
@slender flare Man you joined BHPB this week because you couldn’t win with your clan😂 stop talking please be fair too
visual tendon
let's agree, I understand your frustration, now we will do our best to prove you as if we qualify, will have been earned. If we fight badly during the pro tournament and we finish last (which will prove that we have nothing to do there) I will officially apologize and close fbi, lets see and see you in the next one
glass thunder
Next. Time we dont do this mistake again and we will have 2 teams from the start and both in same clan
patent quartz
Remember What burgour just said, cuz we're serious on this point and we'll do it without hesitation
tame shore
So if FBI brings their sister clan, lxn can bring their grandma Clan, immor can bring their daughter Clan, bhbp brings their neighbours clan and W1n can bring the pizza delivery guys clan to help them out? Nice gg
chilly terrace
@thorn shale Considering all things which are related to this case: this is not a breach of rules. This is weak place in the rules which will be fixed but for now it's allowed.
@bright tundra It's not OK. Since someone was paid for it.
@slender flare
- You are blaming APA in using emulator. Do you have any proves? Because we know that they didn't. It's so easy to say that anyone is breaking the rules without any proves besides wild guesses.
- I understand your reaction on this case, but as I said before it's not prohibited in qualifiers.
low badger
@young valve terrible suggestion, but control your destiny by getting into sat rounds. That is done by design, and it helps promote upsets, and weed out the 'underserving teams.' I was very against the system as a whole and I was vocal about it, but this was the one part of the system that worked well.
echo wagon
@visual tendon i have an better idea. k4 dont play today, you win both tournaments next week and show that you belong to top 8. If you loose against rank 21 it is your own fault, dont punish other teams for this...
Ps: nice, that wg is not interesset in fair play...emulators, no statment to apa_ernest, atgms, rolling quit the game, fbi... gg
edit: i know ernest wasnt cheating
analog osprey
Ahahhaa APA using emulator nice!
Atm only W1N and LGN🇩🇪 can complain about this problem. One is always in top 5, atm they aren’t on top form but they will be and other team is playing very well on this season but the rest XD
dapper current
They could be playing on touch windows devices, so the emulator thing could be a false accusation. I'll take that point back if you know they are though. I'm glad to see fbi drop out today though, we had that same problem last year with pramo/scamo/purpl (forgot which one actually did it) but needless to say, credit to them too- they closed the ticket needing team.
stark finch
...
atomic tartan
Enough with the emulators jesus christ 1) if you think you can do a better job of detecting emulator than Wargaming themselves who have concluded none were used then tell them about it 2) this game isn't won by one guy on an emulator. its won by 7 tanks working together
violet hemlock
@chilly terrace How do you know FBI didn’t pay K4? Lol but that’s not the point here. and yes the rules are quite clear but let’s ignore the rules this week and implement them next week. Seems fair! Haha nice jokes gg!
waxen otter
@chilly terrace Be fair. If u let FBI (K4) play today only FBI takes advantage from that and it is unfair to over 30 clans with less cups than FBI. FBI didnt qualify for today so they shouldnt be able to play today.
vital obsidian
Player should not be able leave clan with ticket earned in clan.
chrome kindle
@chilly terrace9 while we all still don't really agree with your desicion, thanks for the communication :) i hope we could make clear how important that case is to all of us
bright tundra
@chilly terrace there’s no way to prove there’s payment in cases where teams suddenly move from one clan to the other. No one is going to advertise it as part of the deal. On what basis do you ban such things happening in the future but still allow it now when you already do have rules in place that talk about “fair play”?
slender flare
@chilly terrace have u seen no one like this merge between of K4 and FBI, because its unfair against us. Like IMMOR, ILGNI or BHBP going for top 8 from year to year and finally they (we) ve chance for that. WG already lost a lots of good players cos of theres no balance. / Pls correct me if im not right
thorn shale
@slender flare english only pls
leaden belfry
This is kind of the outcome I was afraid of as there are -no- rules written out regarding the Ascent that aren't 2 years old and not valid for this year. The thing to take away from this is that that will at least be changed for the future so stuff like this won't happen again. I'm at least glad that WG is agreeing that it's not a move meant to be made, even if because of the regulations literally not being there you can't do much about it right now. That at least gives the hope that it'll be impossible in the future, even if it doesn't change anything how.
FBI will have lost a lot of respect over this move, because even if iT iS nOt AgAiNsT tHe RuLeS and that's the defense used, it's definitely morally improper
balmy cobalt
Is not right for some clans to dont reach the first positions only because they have less teams than an other clan... i Think it is a stupid idea to apply
spice briar
Arguing on this makes no sense, WG wont change anything before this tournament so we have to move on. I agree that its not fair at all, the only ones who can change smth are the FBI players themselves by closing their team but it seems like it wont happen. The positive thing is that WG realized that gap in their rules so it will get fixed.
thorn shale
Also Mike brings up a really good point. There’s technically no way WG could find out if payment was used between two clans, and according to WG’s current stance, switching clans to provide tickets to another clan could suddenly become a monetary opportunity for clans that have tickets but don’t have a chance to make top 8. There’s no sure way to prevent a clan from buying its way into top 8
dreamy adder
The thing to take away from this is that that will at least be changed for the future so stuff like this won't happen again.
@leaden belfry a future which will probably never have place when disappointing the players in a row
leaden belfry
@thorn shale that's why it's also good that this gap in the rules will get fixed. I forget which (memory 11/10), but there was an RU clan that got heavily sponsored for years on end and that literally let them buy the best players. The funding stopped last year, which is when we saw a different top on the RU server
visual tendon
ohh ok nvm
leaden belfry
@dreamy adder very true, but that's not something that can be changed atm either =(
thorn shale
@visual tendon I’m not accusing you of paying. I am simply saying other clans will read this chat, see that WG don’t have a problem with what your clan is doing, and maybe decide “hey what if we pay (X) clan some money so that their players join us with their tickets and we qualify
leaden belfry
@visual tendon he's not referring to you doing that, he's raising a concern in general
thorn shale
It’s certainly a logical possibility
leaden belfry
If WG actually makes Ascent rules from now on, that should be covered as well. They could still pay people to come, as per what happened with the sponsored team, but clanhopping during tournament season wouldn't work much anymore
twin sphinx
it could be solved with removing the tickets from a player once he leave's his clan , at least untill the end of the season i guess
patent quartz
there you go, now that WG have spoken regarding the rules someone is once again trying to make us pay in another way, if it's not the rules, it's money, if it's not money, it's threatening, if it's not threatening, it's giving each one of them a unicorn in return, until you find a single proof that money was involved don't even bind the word money to F-B-I in prof tourney qualifiers, thank you in advance (this message is targeting xero sniper).
leaden belfry
Well, there's no rules regarding people can or can't be paid to play for a clan, so even if that had happened in this case (not saying it has) it wouldn't even matter
median mason
Just introduce tagged tickets. Tickets that work only in defined clan
waxen otter
@visual tendon If you guys would be fair then FBI wouldn‘t participate today. That‘s not fair and super rude. Please don‘t participate.
thorn shale
If you earned a ticket for clan (X) it should only be useable in clan (X)
violet hemlock
WG have spoken incorrectly lol. You know it and I know it hah. And eh I only followed on from what rexy said about money so whatever lol. Sister clan which is Hungarian? and have never had anything to do with FBI 🤪🤪 you’re not fooling anyone my friend hehe. (This message is targeting Mr_SP1TFIOUR | [F-B-I]#4820)
thorn shale
Unfortunately that would mean a rework for the ticket coding which would take time from WGs end
lunar stirrup
Its fair as long as there is an opportunity for others to do the same. In addition, there are no rules prohibiting it.
This action can only be sanctioned in the future (in case a rule is established on this subject ofc) and the sanction cannot have retroactive effect (this principle is used in law)
« You paid them » just words from mourners
thorn shale
@lunar stirrup literally no one is accusing you guys of paying 🙄
Mike initially raised the possibility of it happening with some other clans and people agreed
hardy prairie
If this entire argument is over money, just pay whoever it was more than what the accused clan was supposedly offering. Ez pz lemon squeezy.
sly hornet
@thorn shale pretty sure xero_sniper is accusing
patent quartz
Believe it or not, but that's been the case for over 1.5 years now @violet hemlock those guys are our friends since RES was deleted
leaden belfry
@violet hemlock I understand you're not seeing eye to eye, but please keep it civil
leaden belfry
and keep in mind that even if money was flying around, that's never been illegal with regards to tournaments and players
waxen otter
@patent quartz Please don‘t participate today with clan FBI. U didnt get ticket on Thursday. It is just unfair. No other Clan is doing this in this season. So please be so fair and have a heart.
leaden belfry
@lunar stirrup lol. I'd like to remind you that just because it's not in the rules (as there have literally been no rules for the Ascent) it by no means makes it right, and that even WG agrees that this is -so- unpleasant they're going to write out rules so you can't pull stuff like this again. So even if it's possible for others to do the same - no one so far has, including the clans that have lost out on tickets before. Only FBI
violet hemlock
@sly hornet where did I accuse huh. You’re ACCUSING me now. lol. I simply followed on from rexy where he said it was wrong to pay. I never suggested it in the first place!
leaden belfry
@waxen otter He's not listed in today's FBI team, so he's not playing tonight
@violet hemlock Stop. Now.
glass thunder
well guys i was one of first who report wr system to wg and that number of battels are out of team wr count and they did change same me in last twister i did ask rexy if i can take my ticket from un1 clan and play in other team and he said rules are not against that its should be removed in future and rexy said that so lets hope we keep get more better version as the current one is 10 times better than the old one
inland solstice
@violet hemlock stop accusing!
half junco
@leaden belfry hi
quasi sail
oh cry more
waxen otter
I fought 5 hours that FBI shouldn‘t participate today. I started this discussion here. I failed...
slender flare
Not rly @waxen otter, FBI become a joke clan
median mason
I fought 5 hours that FBI shouldn‘t participate today. I started this discussion here. I failed...
🕯️
thorn shale
a lot of ppl now dont respect FBI
inland solstice
a lot of people never did... 👀
quasi sail
i dont respect ppl that use they power too much. Who cares who will play
low badger
This is somehow more pointless than missles, and we haven't even finished the week.
visual tendon
a lot of ppl now dont respect FBI
@thorn shale that's not new xD
I don't wanna dissolve the team just for all those guys who did memes about fbi who'll not be top 8, laugh as you want guys. We can laugh too now
thorn shale
it's not like they are gonna get far anyway 🤣 @thorn shale k4 or FBI, same thing lmao
@thorn shale that's not new xD
I don't wanna dissolve the team just for all those guys who did memes about fbi who'll not be top 8, laugh as you want guys. We can laugh too now
@visual tendon well u could show u are good team and making your K4 team not play today, and try getting into top 8 again in the other 2 tourneys remaining... making this everyone will respect you, doesnt matter if finally u can get into top 8 again or not.
waxen otter
Why should we respect a clan which uses „glichtes“
winter light
+1
quasi sail
@visual tendon dont listen them xD my baguettes 😄
analog osprey
« A lot of ppl never did » look where he is from
slender flare
@visual tendon FBI will doin same with K4 as like did with me when they dont need someone just kick him, FBI needs K4 cos of cups after no one from K4 will plays on Proff tournament with FBI
thorn shale
Guys why are u so worried its still K4 playing maybe they will be out after their first match anyway
violet hemlock
Ye and get 2000 points easy
patent quartz
@quasi sail we're not mate no worries, we're done with that now, we'll show no mercy from now on, only few players respect us and we respect them in return because htey believe in us, it's not those guys that will stop us ❤️
azure pecan
@thorn shale even by finishing last you earn +2k cups
Also they wont finish last because well they have a good wr team - "better" seeding in most of cases
violet hemlock
Everybody respects u, we all know you are a good team @patent quartz
thorn shale
FBI is imo one of the best teams right now in EU, but that doesnt mean i like what u guys make today...
median mason
But tbf they deserve to be top8. The Thursday accident was unfortunate sadly
sly hornet
👆
waxen otter
Yes they defenitely deserve it. But they don‘t deserve to play today bc they didn‘t qualify.
cobalt yarrow
how much u paid for this? 😄
I thought Wg developers has a bit brain to understand what happened and do something about this. @thorn shale @vague swallow @shell flume @frosty nexus @chilly terrace @lime glen
median mason
Yes they defenitely deserve it. But they don‘t deserve to play today bc they didn‘t qualify.
@waxen otter Of course, I agree with that. But at the same time I must point out that their absence in today's tourn would probably kick them out for good from top8. Which would mean that some other, less experienced team would take their place 🤷♂️
leaden belfry
@cobalt yarrow please don't randomly tag all the staff members. If you had read the discussion, you'd have seen WG has already replied and will make sure this can't happen future tournament seasons
waxen otter
Yes. I think LXN, W1N and IMMOR are also experienced CW clans
hoary ridge
But to be honest i was more a gift for thoose named clans and not there own strengh which would have brought one of through... with thatdecision wg did they just took your gift... now you got to work hard for getting it!
gentle sierra
Noone can deny that Fbi is a top 8 clan lul, this event is just , special , and i also disagree they are given a second chance but it is what it is
violet hemlock
Mm is quite unfair too xd. W1n vs fbi then vs LGN
glass thunder
yes and immor got 2 teams so they get double chances and lxn get direct to top 16 because they have 100% wr account with 1 battel and they keep saying its unfair today xd gg wp guys
hoary ridge
Anyone noticed that First round is New GAY again 😒
median mason
🏳️🌈
violet hemlock
I was looking to make 3 teams but didn’t work out sadly lol @glass thunder
cobalt yarrow
@glass thunder yes and we both team playing under immor clan and we all in same clan more than 1 months so if you can create second team and qualify eliminations(which is you cant) that will be no problem
gentle sierra
@hoary ridge toxic , like mroz
glass thunder
@waxen otter you got 71 team wr thx that 1 x 100% wr account and always you avoid the top 8 teams on wr in 1/8 and top 4 in 1/4 its how system work
waxen otter
It is not against the rules.
tranquil seal
100% with 1 Battle counts nothing.
Lol
azure pecan
Yes just lol
cobalt yarrow
all Wg stuff's afk? not any answer?
dapper current
@glass thunder I dont have the energy to explain this, winrate and battle count matters, so the perfect account with literally one battle only serves to do very little at increasing the true winrate at the team
violet hemlock
its saturday... @cobalt yarrow
glass thunder
@dapper current dont try m8 ik how it work its count best 7 on wr and count wr only and not number of battels
tender swallow
@glass thunder then why are we facing apa today in 1/4 and eg- last time in 1/4 ? arent both of these clans top 4? Did we do seomthing the wrong way? Can you help us with it?
dapper current
@glass thunder I won't even try then, explaining the concept of a weighted mean is too exhausting, good luck today from asia
glass thunder
@tender swallow so how system work if all top 8 on wr make it to 1/4 the games will be like this 1 vs 8 , 2 vs7 , 3vs6 and 4 vs 5
azure pecan
@dapper current not at all
low badger
Oh dear. Rexy... We cannot have situations where clan A loses their tickets for the Saturday tournament, and then only to get bailed out by their feeder (also clan b) . It's obvious why this happens but this is just wrong to the other clans, their feeder and towards comp. Atgms is one thing, but this sets such a bad precedent for big clan families. Credit whete credit is due, scamo at least unregistered and took their tournament run in stride. @chilly terrace
wraith python
Is CARNA still active in tournaments?
median mason
No
thorn shale
Yes
agile sigil
how can I watch tournament
solar coral
Yes Brando carna very active @agile sigil Go to streams section for the active tours
dreamy ridge
No
crimson island
@dreamy ridge ale z cb niegrzeczny chłopak
dreamy ridge
Ja @crimson island
wintry hound
Great, we got nobody to stream the finals of the Spring season ascent tournaments gg #RemoveATGMsBringBackRolling
steady nexus
F
vagrant phoenix
I thought this same issue would've been fixed after it happen on the NA server during Twister '19, but this is the WG we all know and love, so history repeats itself.
My clan is currently #1 in the ascents and we could easily jump into our 2nd clan who didn't get tickets last Thursday but it would honestly so wrong that I would never be able to sleep at night doing such an action.
Shame on F-B-I for going this low lmao.
fringe galleon
How about a system where streamer can change the team he/she will stream between games? Its stupid system that its possible to stream only one team and if they lose its the end of the stream.
thorn shale
+1 why isnt that a thing
violet hemlock
can we get PK on blitz to stream a high seed in english? thx better than nothing
noble pond
@violet hemlock agree
thorn shale
what about getting Rolling back???
violet hemlock
dream scenario yeah
analog osprey
@wintry hound share replays
slender flare
@violet hemlock pko has problem with his device
wintry hound
Nop nop nop
pale finch
Yeah streamer should be able to continue even if the team gets knocked out
slender flare
+1
tulip spire
and we need really fast a second player who will stream on english
azure pecan
Or stream with music ez
Except for great comentators like rollingswarm which was awesome to hear commentating,
Most of times the viewers are competitive players and even more experienced than the streamers so not really need to comment
tulip spire
it was not Music, it was a Dono Alert, i forgott to put it down before.
glass thunder
Today ninja did stream in polish but i think next days he will stream with english
wintry hound
As long as the games are streamed imo it doesn't matter. It seems stupid to me that a streamer has to stop streaming because the team he's with lost. But writing suggestions here is pointless because WG prob doesn't even check here that often
azure pecan
Well even when they check it doesnt seem to go in right hands so
pale finch
Yeah true streamers really doesn’t even have to speak if they don’t want to, most important thing is having the games broadcasted. We lost to LGN in very close games in the 1/8 round and boom stream is gone and it’s really boring that the audience and us other teams can’t check out the semi finals and finals because of this. There should definitely be a way to have the streamer be able to stream let’s say semi finals even if the team they follow loses in the 1/8 round.
tulip spire
+1
dreamy ridge
Yes
leaden belfry
With the ascent tournaments I've understood that it's impossible to set a streamer to a bracket instead of a team - this has to do with the fact that the bracket is made only an hour before the tournament starts and in this case that's far into the weekend, so would require staff from wg coming on between the end of registration and the actual start of the battle, for all servers
We got warned about this beforehand. I'd also like to point out that wg never asked us to stream these tournaments - we asked ourselves if we could stream them
Though I think it's great more streamers are stepping up - Ninja, a Russian guy I don't know, Fugit for EU, and even R1B streaming an ascent tonight, Fishy and Droodles for NA and another dude I've no idea who he is for Asia, and I love that the teams are getting more exposure - to be very frank; none of us compare to Brian
@dreamy ridge @crimson island English only
gentle sierra
#banincoming
crimson island
Ok
thorn shale
That was really disrespectfull insulting with diseases but its expected from someone with an uniq tag, moderators I suggest a ban is not too much asked for @slender flare
slender flare
uniqVen is that u? @thorn shale😂
leaden belfry
@slender flare don't use diseases to describe things, omg 😂
slender flare
Aight, sorry then 😉
atomic tartan
apparently the streamers getting attached only to specific teams is just a case of bad coding, as in its totally and realistically doable for them to follow bracket etc except for....bad coding
thorn shale
@atomic tartan do u know at what time NA is being streamed tonight and by who? 🙏
Amaunet streams NA I think at 3am
slender flare
@thorn shale check Blitz Fish
leaden belfry
Fishy is streaming, but I don't know what team, I'll be streaming Pncr. And I actually don't know if Droodles is streaming tonight or if he's only doing Professionals
thorn shale
👍
arctic axle
At least I am happy that smaller youtubers/streamers are trying to stream tournaments to compensate for the latest events.
atomic tartan
Hopefully the majority of new said streamers won’t run into technical difficulties, namely i-cant-find-the-room so imma play a 7v7 in a stream where people showed up to see 2v2 tourney coverage
neon thistle
jajaja
dry flint
Blitz Fish
thorn shale
@pliant solstice use the #general-blitz-discussion chat
obsidian vine
Nice hat, it definitely improves the looks of E5
analog osprey
@thorn shale 😂😂 I saw
silver vapor
the one that you're using
gentle sierra
Yikes
fathom tiger
ipad is the best emulator
inland solstice
it's all good saying it's great about who is stepping up to stream the tours but in reality brian can't be replaced. imo he is the best.
analog osprey
The streamer doesn’t need to comment
stark crow
Indeed , but thats always better with good comment
azure pecan
But its better a well filmed no commentated stream with music and game sounds than a stream with a commentator less experienced than viewers and not espacially interesting ( rolling had both experience and great commentating skills )
stark crow
That was why i said good comment
inland solstice
Rolling’s commentary is unrivalled.
narrow meteor
@thorn shale did that happen in a tourney lol?
upper oar
ipad is the best emulator
^
thorn shale
someone could help me out of a tournament. indeed nobody from my team plays, I'm stuck
pallid raven
Bluestacks
patent quartz
Tru @upper oar
thorn shale
can i with some team play tournament tomorrow?
brittle sentinel
I want to play which a team
livid galleon
Android emulators are allowed on mobile-only tournaments? That doesn't seem correct...
thorn shale
Why are pro teams allowed in tier 6 tournaments
fervent bloom
Why would they not be? Lol
No pro teams play tier 6 tournaments consistently btw, if they do chances are they aren't a 'pro' team
patent quartz
because they've done their 4 attempts in T8 and 10? @thorn shale and they need creds
thorn shale
@narrow meteor yes lmaoo. It was in the semis of ascent vs pncr
I couldn’t shoot and my tank was slowed immensely 😂😂
flat goblet
What spitfiour said. Clans speedrunning all the QTs is why they get to tier 6.
chilly terrace
@wintry hound There is a system which allows to spectate matches until the end in major tournaments, but there is not in qualifiers because we need to choice between wide frames of registration and this ability. We think that wide frames of registration much more important.
P.S. WG always checks all channels.
silver vapor
@chilly terrace would it be possible to just merge Thursday and Saturday tournaments into 1 tournament where it's 2 different stages? wouldn't this solve the issue of players changing clans between Thursday and Saturday and at the same time allows the spectator be set to watching the entire tournament?
or am I missing something here?
thorn shale
It would be too long for one evening for people to compete.
chilly terrace
@silver vapor We thought to do in this way, but players, who lose in the first stage, will be locked until the end of the tournament. That's the main problem in this idea.
leaden belfry
I think what Maddox said is actually a good idea though, @chilly terrace. Players aren't allowed to switch clans during the Professionals either, if they're playing in it. If such restrictions were set for the Ascent tournaments from Thursday to Saturday, it'd make the actions of FBI last weekend impossible for any clan in the future. It doesn't need to be the whole month, but just isolate it per week, per set of non-ticketed/ticketed Ascent, so to speak
silver vapor
If it's about locking the players from switching clans or playing tournaments during that time - then yeah it's an inconvenience but I believe every team that takes part in it either expect themselves to have other stuff to do (training with other clans or review their tactics) or playing the saturday stage during this period than just purely joining other tournaments (unless they aren't there to win at all, then sure)
versed field
Or just make a tickets clan only, (example) so players who get ticket in k4 cant join fbi to play ticket tourtaments cups for fbi.
leaden belfry
^ that especially
glass thunder
i agree
wintry hound
@chilly terrace I'm happy to see your reply :) I understand now, but it would be great if there was a possibility of streaming all games in the future
chilly terrace
@wintry hound I see, but unfortunately it's quiet unlikely that it will, at least in qualifiers.
@glass thunder @silver vapor @versed field
You all are talking from your point of view, but you all always receive tickets for the next tournament. Besides players like you there are some players who don't receive tickets and advance to the next stage. And I'm sure that it's unacceptable for them.
I mean that we'll solve it, but I'm not sure that way which you mentioned is right.
median mason
@chilly terrace can you use quote feature? It's hard to find messages you are replying to :D
cobalt yarrow
Even if they can't get ticket they put another team for ticket tournamnets and get their cups. @chilly terrace
chilly terrace
Even if they can't get ticket they put another team for ticket tournamnets and get their cups. @chilly terrace
@cobalt yarrow I'm not sure that you got right what we are talking about
cobalt yarrow
i was talking about what happened 2 days ago i'm sure u remember what happened
chilly terrace
i was talking about what happened 2 days ago i'm sure u remember what happened
@cobalt yarrow And how is your message related to recent dialog?
median mason
Thank you, Rexy! :D
chilly terrace
Thank you, Rexy! :D
@median mason You are welcome! =)
cobalt yarrow
Maybe because of writed 2 days ago and did'nt get any reply from WG?(can't answer quick 5 min slowmode) and u writed WG always checks all channels.Where is the fair gaming !!!
thorn shale
i fail to decypher this message^
chilly terrace
Maybe because of writed 2 days ago and did'nt get any reply from WG?(can't answer quick 5 min slowmode) and u writed WG always checks all channels
@cobalt yarrow When you wrote this:
[20:36] _Core: all Wg stuff's afk? not any answer?
My answer had been in channel about 2 hours. And it was still being discussed by other members of this channel. Unfortunately, I can't answer each question which has already been answered.
cobalt yarrow
As i remember Amaunet said this will be happened again but they gain advantage by this trick , this is not an answer, on 2018 twister tournaments EZ- used account share and they banned from big tournaments for a year , this is not so diffirent story they used diffirent accounts and they will get top8.
glass thunder
@cobalt yarrow at that time they didnt ban them for match fix and the did for account sharing not same now
slender flare
@cobalt yarrow stay realistic FBI could get top 4, i dont think so any1 from top 16 could beat them 🤷♂️ / but yeah its not fair against us
chilly terrace
As i remember Amaunet said this will be happened again but they gain advantage by this trick , this is not an answer, on 2018 twister tournaments EZ- used account share and they banned from big tournaments for a year , this is not so diffirent story they used diffirent accounts and they will get top8.
@cobalt yarrow If you disagree with our decision, it doesn't mean that it wasn't an answer.
This is so different story. EZ- was banned for suspicious activity on their accounts and breaking the rules.
In this case, there is not any breach of rules. This case marks that rules have weak place and nothing else.
pale finch
And the so called weak spot would be solved for future tournaments, right?
chilly terrace
And the so called weak spot would be solved for future tournaments, right?
@pale finch Sure
cobalt yarrow
@chilly terrace yes it is weak place and ppl's write here before tournament registration close and have time to do something(all players on k4- atm) and if u let any team use this weak spot let everyone use its rigged once anyways
azure pecan
I dont espacially wanna re open this long topic but im wondering, then if FBI's move doesn't fit with the "fair" and "unsportiveman" rules mentionned: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/521999784991522817/701083341549469726/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/521999784991522817/701081720253841469/unknown.png
Then for what cases are made these rules : in order in which situations are they used ?
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace yes it is weak place and ppl's write here before tournament registration close and have time to do something(all players on k4- atm) and if u let any team use this weak spot let everyone use its rigged once anyways
@cobalt yarrow And I answered in this channel before the closing of registration. In this season this is not a breach of rules in qualifiers.
cobalt yarrow
it is FAIR that's why wg change rules!!!
chilly terrace
I dont espacially wanna re open this long topic but im wondering, then if FBI move doesn't fit with the "fair" and "unsportiveman" rules mentionned:
Then for what cases are made these rules : in order in which situations are they applied ?
@azure pecan
At first, these rules are about Professionals and Challengers tournament. Not about qualifiers to them (except these places where it pointed)
At second, we have already shared our position about this: it's not breach of rules, which means that it isn't unfair play in qualifiers of this season.
azure pecan
Okey so there arent rules for the qualifiers ? And yeah i know that FBI case isnt a breach of rule i understood and this is not my question, i was simply wondering in what other cases these rules should take an application ?
chilly terrace
it is FAIR that's why wg change rules!!!
@cobalt yarrow
We will change the rules because we don't want see such cases in next seasons.
cobalt yarrow
No , you chance because its UNFAIR u know this is, just think they lost their ticket and put someone else team and they get advantage , is it FAIR?
chilly terrace
Okey so there arent rules for the qualifiers ? And yeah i know that FBI case isnt a breach of rule i understood and this is not my question, i was simply wondering in what other cases these rules should take an application ?
@azure pecan
It depends. Generally, this point covers all situations that we can regard as breaking of rules, but there is not special paragraph for them in regulations.
pale finch
I mean he already said that most rules only applies to the main tournaments? Either way I’m glad it’s being changed to prevent it from happening again - at least shows that WG is aiming to make prof and challenger better.
chilly terrace
No , you chance because its UNFAIR u know this is, just think they lost their ticket and put someone else team and they get advantage , is it FAIR?
@cobalt yarrow
Well, you know better why we'll do it.
It wasn't prohibited, so it's fair according to regulations
azure pecan
Okey i think i got my answer thanks, and yes at least we can be glad that it'll change in the future
cobalt yarrow
I'm just player can think sensible and want to play on FAIR game environment
glass thunder
@cobalt yarrow i agree and hope we get new team wr formula its so bad when others use rerolls to make team wr high and avoid strong teams and because of that we see some clash btw strong teams in early stages when those teams full of rerolls get ez way
azure pecan
@cobalt yarrow man why are you talking about it now, the debate has been hold yesterday for hours and hours, what are you saying is just what everyone said for 5hours straight and also for what wg answered
pale finch
I actually agree with massive, highest to lowest win rate isn’t the play I believe. It can easily be manipulated, you can put 2 accounts in your team with 1 battle and 100% win rate and increase your average from like 65% to 73%. It gives you easy seeding and in some cases even allows you to skip the first round in tournaments.
azure pecan
yes, at least if you wanna take the win rate, also count the number of battles
thorn shale
After this Ascent and Professionals - give each team a seeding based on it, and use this seeding for the next tournament? Could help clans stick together (?)
You could then use averages across multiple Ascent-Professional series in future.
And if you also seed lower teams based of this, it would motivate continued engagement by those teams?
pale finch
Seeding based on teams strength in competitive play would also be amazing but it’s completely unrealistic and will unfortunately never happen as who knows how good a team will be 2-3 months after a tournament and who knows how good the other teams will be? So a skill seeding won’t ever happen I’m quite sure @thorn shale. Either way to avoid abuse with 1 battle accounts or just rerolls in general I think full battle count of the players have to be taken into consideration and then add up the average win rates @chilly terrace.
glass thunder
and instead of counting bo7 on wr just take the bo7 combination in a team and that can help to make the system better
pale finch
Also maybe I missed some details about this already but is there any info about how the professional tournament will be played? I assume it’s bo7 in all games and maybe bo9 in final stage?
chilly terrace
Also maybe I missed some details about this already but is there any info about how the professional tournament will be played? I assume it’s bo7 in all games and maybe bo9 in final stage?
@pale finch
http://forum.wotblitz.eu/index.php?/topic/53464-spring-professionals-tournament-2020/
pale finch
Thank you very much Artyom :))
blissful cave
Based on Wr ratio in tournaments like ascent is in my opinion really strange. Also Z1RD and Massive have notice that. Like in Champions League it's totally random who can You meet in group stage.
pale finch
I don’t have a problem with lowest to highest win rate I just dislike the fact that you can manipulate it with low battle accounts therefore I suggest to count total battle count + win rates and then add it together
vital obsidian
The battle count was earlier in the formula?
chilly terrace
Based on Wr ratio in tournaments like ascent is in my opinion really strange. Also Z1RD and Massive have notice that. Like in Champions League it's totally random who can You meet in group stage.
@blissful cave
Champions League has qualifiers before the start. All tournament based ratings could be implemented in only one case: when there are enough teams which have the same cast of players during the long period of time. We don't have such conditions.
thorn shale
can't you just take 7 top people with highest battle number ?
chilly terrace
The battle count was earlier in the formula?
@vital obsidian
It wasn't
pale finch
Well, as I said I think many competitive players have the same view as I and @glass thunder stated, I don’t think it’s fair that you can have low battles and new accounts and manipulate your win rate and therefore manipulate your seeding. Add the battles into the equation and things will be more fair I believe.
thorn shale
^ agreed. Rerolls artificially enhancing a team's average WR is too easy to abuse.
vital obsidian
The preferred mm on low btl count accos has impact aswell
azure pecan
Thats another problem
newb mm should definitevely NOT be automatically appplicated to all accs under 5k, once again it should be based only and only on player performances (for example u should join normal mm if u have enough performances on newb mm, and same in the other way: you should join newb mm if u have +5k battles or not, if u dont have enough results on normal mm)
And preferably it should be written on stats. But i already opened the topic some weeks ago where wg staff went through
hoary ridge
You Guys are absolutly right about the wrong wr calculating system.... But it didnt efect the top8 Teams. Non of the Teams which are using rerolls are in the Top8 rn and i guess If they somehow manage to get top8, all the "new pros" will get smashed by the older, more experienced Teams... Thats Just my opinion/prediction
And btw be Happy If your enemies use rerolls. Most of the rerolls have lower Crew skills than ppl with 40k Battles... That could be a deciding differenz in clanwars
azure pecan
Yes true there is no much team using a lot of rerolls in top8, but still there are competitive teams that gets an easier seeding because of this, meanwhile they are maybe worse than some other teams that are below because they dont use rerolls - in other terms its still rigging the seeding of everyone
And well to be qualified having a good seeding is worth compared to not have a good seeding but good crew skills, crew skills isnt a huge difference in battles
thorn shale
Hi
thorn shale
I understand seeding is strongest v weakest if i'm not mistaken, but for the past two weeks on Saturday in the ticketed ascents we we're not the lowest win rate team, maybe 7th highest out of the 19, and we've gotten arguably the best team (RGN) for the second week in a row in just the quarterfinals, leading us to a quick loss and a lack of cups. :/
worldly gyro
Hello
silver vapor
You all are talking from your point of view, but you all always receive tickets for the next tournament. Besides players like you there are some players who don't receive tickets and advance to the next stage. And I'm sure that it's unacceptable for them.
I mean that we'll solve it, but I'm not sure that way which you mentioned is right.
@chilly terrace talking about whether weaker teams like it or not shouldn't matter here, since we should evaluate solution based on how it can solve a problem.
Also, it's really time for stricter rules in ascent, so teams can't get away rigging, whether be like this or how Asia server was rigged last season
chilly terrace
@silver vapor I'm afraid that you are wrong., Ant solution should be evaluated based on all factors. Anyway, it's too early to discuss changes which haven't been applied yet.
silver vapor
@chilly terrace I agree. which is why we are providing suggestions and try to come up with a solution together, not just you guys doing all the thinking.
anyways - whatever I say alone shouldn't be the loudest voice, unless it's supported by everyone in the community. Afterall esports is defined by it's community and not individuals, so it's really time to put out suggestions to tackle all sorts of problems that exist in this part of the game so we can make it a better place 🙂
atomic tartan
aren't tournament winrates already done by weighted winrates? the top 7 winrates on the team weighed by their battle counts are used for seeding, so even if you had two accounts with 1 battle 100% winrate it doesnt matter? isn't that how it already works?
chilly terrace
@silver vapor There is nothing bad in making suggestions, but, please, don't forget that your suggestions and feedback are just a part of factors that are taken into account in making decisions.
@atomic tartan No, it matters.
https://na.wargaming.net/support/en/products/wotb/article/15743/
pale finch
@atomic tartan nah there’s an EU team who boosts their win rate with like 4% because of an account with one battle. Which obviously gives them way better seeding. I can’t say if it will impact the outcome of top 8 yet but it could
hollow bolt
And if you don't prepare for when people exploit loopholes (hmm wonder where that has happened recently 🤔) then people will exploit them. If you don't prepare for people doing the wrong thing to exploit the system then they will and you will have to just sit there and let them.
thorn shale
I thought the accounts with more battles were weighted heavier..
azure pecan
Not the wr calculation that deserves to build the seeding. Its not the wr that is shew ig that matters
The wr u see on ur team ig is calculated with all players and considering thier number of battles
But the real wr used to build the seeding in strongest vs weakest is one shew on wg website
This one is calculated differently, it only takes the 7 best wr players of the team and dont count the number of battle.
Clearer, if you have 4 players with 50% + 8o.ooo battles, and 4 players with 100% + 1 battle, the wr shew IG will be 50.00001
But wr of this team on the website and for the seeding of the major tournament is 75%
There you Can see the real team wr (by clicking on a tournament
Then u can see that the wr ig and on website isnt the same)
https://wotblitz.eu/en/tournaments/#/planned
If ur not on eu server just change "eu" by na or whatever your region is, on the website adresse above "wotb.eu"
low badger
@chilly terrace I'll just say this, because no one else really brought this up (unless you have then good for you.) But rule 11 deals with teams pulling off these types of mechanisms and behaviors. I'm not sure how this isn't a variance of collusion but, I guess it is what it is. Please don't let this set a precedent in a negative context for blitz. Because clans like W1N really deserve their spot. Even Scamo gave up on this last year for twister when it was evident they were pulling off an FBI
faint scaffoldBOT
Саня Ирокез#3832 has been warned.
wintry hound
@chilly terrace On a different note, what do you think of banning crate tanks from tournaments like T22? I think most top clans would agree that T22 is superior to the russian equivalent.
silver vapor
Having to pay to be competitive in tournaments is straight up unfair
hardy prairie
Nah the T-22 isn’t superior. It’s got way larger ammo racks, and the gun isn’t even close to the level of the T-62A
tranquil seal
T-22 is broken
tender swallow
it isnt broken but it is played a lot, basically just better than 140 and t62, for tournaments at least
versed field
T22 is good, i have it😂
azure pecan
Yes t22 also definitively needs to be removed. But well we already tried move up this topic as long as we did with sheridan debate, but it didnt lead to a single positive reflexion from wg so
@hardy prairie what ?? t22 is clearly the best of meds idk if you have it or not
but t22 is the only med and sometimes the only tank to:
Have an unpenable turret
Have a really really really solid reverse side scrap
- great mobility with 55km/h top speed
+insane dpm (almost same as t62a one)
+troll sides and troll lower plate
And sorry but the accuracy is really far from bad
edit: @thorn shale how lol
thorn shale
tbh i get clapped by m48 pattons when i play t22 #notbroken
@azure pecan pattons better cw medium
hardy prairie
I do have it. Agreed, mobility is same as 62A. Obviously the armor is better than the 62A. Turret is good... but it has much less gun depression than the 62A so it cant use the turret in many cases the 62A can. Its gun really is worse than the 62A’s in practice - maybe not statistically. It might have a slight edge in some cases, but not all. And a player with good aim will go through the troll armor cuz it’s troll armor, not full proof armor. 140 does need a blanket buff, nobody will argue that one.
azure pecan
If i resume t62a is better because it has a better gun depression and a really slight better accuracy
Also @hardy prairie do you play CWs ?
hardy prairie
We don’t really have a CWs in NA that appeals to the pro scene. I do take part in most major tournaments
wintry hound
T22 is still better than tech tree tanks, which in it self shouldnt be a thing. But my point is what Maddox said and T22 is just a perfect example
azure pecan
@hardy prairie well maybe in ffa or middle competition having a t62a is really enough, but i can tell you in CWs having a t22 instead of t62a is a huge advantage
wintry hound
Yep ^ u sacrifice just a lil bit of dpm and accuracy for insane armour. In public games its not big of a deal, but in CW where every shot counts T22 is rly rly good. and a preferable pick over the Obj.140/T62 any day. And its a crate tank....
gentle sierra
"T22 is as good as its tech tree counter parts" , thats the answer that people were given when they asked for it to be removed during twister
fringe galleon
Last year i whined about T22 and ppl just told me i am jealous because i dont have the tank 🙃
versed field
I was too because last year i didnt get it from boxes😂, at this year i got it, not even expensive
hardy prairie
Yes the Twister Cup and Professionals Tournament is middle competition. Anyways, I can see why you’d complain an update ago but why is this even an argument anymore in the heavy dominated meta?
fathom tiger
140 best russian med
wintry hound
its not full HT meta. Depends on the map. Some maps its better to use meds and HT. And then u use the T22s. Im complaining now because I recently came back to the competitive scene. And it seems absurd to me that this is a thing
gentle sierra
When you can pick it over an 140 or a t62 and just do better than the team that is forced to use the tech tree tanks then yes @hardy prairie , the argument is useless cause nothing is going to be done about it yet again
pale finch
Agreed, T22 is better than the Russian tech three mediums and honestly all other meds ( stb better situationally ) and no meta isn’t full heavy, sure it’s dominated by heavy tanks but seeing 2 meds and a sheridan or even 2 sheridans isn’t unusual. Obviously lineup depends a lot on the teams, the more skilled teams ( individually ) tends to play more meds and rely on their skill meanwhile teams that are still good but has less individually skilled players tends to rely on heavies to either push as a unit or go hard for bases and defend them
versed field
Its true that with t22 you are allowed to do more mistakes, but 140 is not bad at all i like it much but in this meta which we are living right now, cant see 140 on battlefield.
azure pecan
Its not about allowed to do more mistakes, its just simply the fact that 140 and t22 have same speed and the t22 itself has trade capacities and not the 140
slender flare
T22 is good for defensive game style cos of amazing side, but for rush 140 is better
azure pecan
And why is 140 better for rushes?? @slender flare
sweet flax
t22 is better for anything over the 140. the 140 is too power creeped to compete
thorn shale
T22 is good for defensive game style cos of amazing side, but for rush 140 is better
@slender flare you have very particular brain
silver vapor
Disclaimer: I spent 500 USD on 2018 Christmas on the event just to get the T-22, and I'd still like it to be removed from tournaments, since I know this "Pay-to-be-competitive" has no place in esports. @chilly terrace I know how much you guys value our opinion: next to 0, but this and making sure the rules are fair is the first step to establish a positive CW environment.
a throw back of what was the points raised by me last time - since I doubt anyone would actually go look it up, but for the sake of discussion
atomic tartan
watch his response is gonna be not everyone shares your opinion that these tanks are op
silver vapor
I forgot how many times I've been part of this conversation of comp tanks behind paywall thing already - it's just absurd that not even a proper response has been given other than saying "we don't do anything"
low badger
@hardy prairie CW for europe is comp its not like our clan wars
hardy prairie
Yea I figured
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace On a different note, what do you think of banning crate tanks from tournaments like T22? I think most top clans would agree that T22 is superior to the russian equivalent.
@wintry hound
We are not going to prohibit any tanks which are represented in game in tournaments.
wintry hound
👍
azure pecan
i thought u were going to see after spring if the sheridan really needs to be removed from CWs or not
thorn shale
i thought u were going to see after spring if the sheridan really needs to be removed from CWs or not
@azure pecan - ATGMs in general are being assessed. WG would not exclude a vehicle in the public game from the tournament one.
glass thunder
t22 is not that broken like sheridan missiles but still better than others meds
that is doing better than others meds for this wg dont even post t22 stats when share the update stats chart
wintry hound
BaLaNcEd AnD FrEe 2 pLaY
unborn oak
Can i still use this ticket? (This season)
glass thunder
that for off season but i think you can't use it any more
gleaming pollen
I mean why not give everyone an account that has all tier X tanks then.
azure pecan
Because wg would lose a lot of money/players playing in randoms ?
carmine solstice
I think t22 ammo rack problem has made it less effective which I can only assume has been done by WG to nerf it a little. In training 2 players including me got full hp ammo racked in back to back games with 4 other t22s taking ammo rack dmg at some point in the next 6 games or so. But, Im totally for tech tree only in CW and ratings
azure pecan
Well then u had really bad luck, I play t22 in cw really often and yeah it happened that i got ammoracked every nights for 3 days in a row but then nothing, it has been at least 1-2weeks that i didnt get ammorack in it
Also its rare to see TDs in that meta so most likely chances to get ammoracked in any tank also decrease
They actually cant nerf it much as its a super expansive tank, so the only way is that they just forbid it (and other collectors) from tournaments
glass thunder
i don't think they will main reason to sell the t22 is to use it in cws and rank
distant tusk
Hello twister guys
versed field
Hello mate, we remember you, are you coming back to stream for spring season profesional tourtaments
pale finch
No t22 doesn’t have an ammo rack problem lol
stark crow
And you can’t judge the performance of a tank just about an « ammo rack problem » , the tank itself have many advantages compare to other t10 mediums
jade spoke
T22 shouldn’t have almost same dpm as a 140, in pc they have like 1.4 sec more of reload than 140, 600+ less dpm.
azure pecan
Ofc t22 should be nerfed but as said its not that much possible because of the fact that the tank is really expansive
jade spoke
It shouldn’t have that much dpm in first place when it came out
silver vapor
WG: Collector tanks can be nerfed
WG: Proceeds to not nerf a tank that is making an uproar because of how good it is compared to the tech tree counterpart and it's behind paywall
azure pecan
the thing is who would buy a t10 tank with 4% drop rate in a 10€ chest if the tank isnt clearly better than tech tree ones
Just take a look with other t10 collector tanks; they are not better than tech tree tank so there is x4 malus players in badger and t95e6 than in t22. And t22 has been sold only in crates with -5% drop rate, and t95e6 was in shop without crates so lets not even imagin how much money raised the t22 compared to other collectors that are as good as tech tree tanks
number of players
wintry hound
We are not going to prohibit any tanks which are represented in game in tournaments.
It doesn't matter, it won't be removed anyways
versed field
This cw scene would be so much better, if wg bans all money tanks from tourtaments #PayToWin
gentle sierra
why ban it from cw when people are forced to play it to get an advantage and they promote it for free as well (inserts "think" gif)
wintry hound
Let's just hope this won't evolve to a stage like in WoT PC 😆
silver vapor
oh no - it will, don't get your hopes up that things will get better
gentle sierra
^^
wintry hound
Maybe new crate tank Obj 279 e ?
gentle sierra
super conq
glass thunder
will be perfect time if super conq come before pro tourney
azure pecan
I dont think Sconq will be a good cw tank
thorn shale
279 🙏
analog osprey
Xd 279
ripe sable
ola