rating-battles

[lethal fog]

why -45%wrs are even allowed to do ratings?
when a player has +20k battles and not even reach 50 clearly he has some problem
let alone avrg dmg
do smth about these guys

[regal cosmos]

Queue would take ages without them

[agile sphinx]

why -56%wrs are even allowed to do ratings?
when a player has +20k battles and not even reach 60 clearly he has some problem
let alone avrg dmg
do smth about these guys

Hopefully this helps you to rethink what you are saying...

[sick leaf]

Actually I think regarding 56% players with 20k battles, it’s usually that their career stats lags behind their current stats as it takes people different amounts of time to figure the game out and “get good”

[lethal fog]

sorry bro that doesn't serve for me i have +70 acc
now what?

also
the one with 900avrg dmg clearly has problem
when u cannot do +1k in your T10 thats should be rethink

[agile sphinx]

That is not exclusive to 56%ers... @sick leaf

@lethal fog And I'm sure the people you are crying about could reroll just as well to get inflated stats. Either way it doesn't matter, what matters is that you have no authority to tell someone based off their stats that they aren't good enough to play ratings with you. Especially seeing as you don't seem to like it when people do the same for you. Try to have some respect for other people

[lethal fog]

i have the authority when i see my teammate is playing like that
also u are from Eu
if u ever played on Asia u would understand
sorry bro we dont even have that new matchmaking in here

also something else
there is a reason rating battles are different from pub
clearly because the better players play in it
i dont wanna deal with my -40% er teammate which camps in the spawn in his E100

if i ever wanted to be more frustrated i could go play pub

about this account
this is my very first account i ever played on blitz
and for years someone else was using it

[agile sphinx]

You have no authority over people because you think that you play better than the , that's just your ego talking. Your stats are still artificially inflated when you reroll. Maybe ratings should be for a better players, but what if I define you to not be good enough to play? What makes my definition wrong but yours right? Maybe I don't want to deal with the egoistic 56%er on my team sitting back and pretending he's useful while crying about everyone else? Ratings is open for everyone and should stay that way, what should happen is a better points system to separate players.

Also it's funny how you never considered the points you are trying to defend yourself with when talking about other people...

[regal cosmos]

So.. account wasn’t yours? Someone else got the account’s stats and now you’re claiming the stats to have been achieved by you, so you can try and validate excluding bad players

[silver acorn]

ratings = pubs with 1% more difficulty or even less in asia yes

[cursive geyser]

There should be a way to stop battle spamming
One got to 5k ratings in 1000 battles, other with 200
Now if you got one with 1000 battles, you are at disadvantage

[agile sphinx]

That's the points system that needs changing to be less generous on losses and harsher on wins.

Interestingly when you get to very high ratings and see the same players over and over you actually change your style of play when you see that a battle spammer is on your team because instead of helping them you go for more damage farming off them

[unborn ember]

I

[ornate spoke]

exactly, I have these 40% players on my team with 4k ratings! after 600 battles lel

[lime sparrow]

You can also just carry them jajajajaja

[ornate spoke]

I hope the emil I nerf stops the emil clubbers

[distant venture]

Why is stevo so famous?

[feral fiber]

Because hes a frequent here i guess

[copper mauve]

just had a 7-0 rating game where 2 E100s went into the open and took 1200 each from focus fire. easiest rating win I’ve ever had

@grave harness mind went blank and typed platoon, thx for reminding me

[warm charm]

because he is the pinnacle of excellence when it comes to ratings, he shows up once in a while, speaks facts, and we all follow and become better in ratings 🙏

[grave harness]

You can’t toon in ratings :v

[kind owl]

to whoever doesn't use Prammo in rating,
i want to cuss you.

[copper mauve]

if a maus is on like 150hp I ain’t risking standard, loading prammo for them THICC turret cheeks

[uncut lichen]

Did they change it to Top 5 to get the Fearless??

[kind owl]

i think so

[lime sparrow]

its not a double season so yes

[remote crane]

What meds are considered okay to bring to raked in teir 8?

[stuck kernel]

Chim, MK1 Def, POGetto

[pallid arch]

PROghetto

[lime sparrow]

proGHETTO

[uncut lichen]

Spaghetto

[floral dock]

Imagine spamming broken premium tanks in rating and thinking your good 🤦

[native marten]

why imagine it when you can just do it

[worldly anvil]

lmao

[loud flame]

lmao

[eternal wren]

if it works it works

[native marten]

hey, better to spam broken tanks and get high up on the rating ladder than to complain because you can't

[lime sparrow]

i spam broken tanks because they have good credit coefficients
ez monies

[leaden niche]

I'm playing in mobile, same controller mode is on.
So why I play with pc players in rating?

[unborn nova]

It work only in random I think

[feral fiber]

Yes it only works for random, if not the waiting time will take very long

[ornate spoke]

so you spam ratings with vk168 and pre buff t2020? Understandable have a great day

for the sake of discussion, why would you not spam an op tank in ratings, taking favouritism for a certain tank (like my obsession with Kranvagn) aside, and it’s not like there’s good tech trees if you’re f2p like I don’t know man emil1 and t32 and fv301 , you have everything to gain if you’re using a superior tank to your opponents and everything to lose if you aren’t. And with this being rating this is where you care if you lose or win so why intentionally put yourself at a disadvantage and decrease your chances of winning by using a not op tank

[agile sphinx]

I don't play op tanks because I want the camo on weird tanks that other people don't have the camo on 🤷‍♀️

[ornate spoke]

yeah besides this reason as well

[leaden niche]

I took camo for Maus :)

[latent vault]

? Why is it only 40?

[worldly anvil]

Its normally 40

Double seasons, like the previous season, which lasts for 2 months, gives double points
It's back to normal now

[lime sparrow]

wakey wakey

[kind owl]

didn't it give 100 in double season?

[worldly anvil]

No, if it gave all 100 parts, it would show an is6 fearless icon
It is top 10 in double seasons, yes

[native jackal]

It's so hard to get over 4.3k rn, do teams generally get better after a certain threshold?

[warm charm]

They get better, but the enemies also get better, but only marginally. Once you reach like high plat you just see less yoloers and complete idiots, but its not like theres teamwork or anything, its just like a pub battle but teams arent complete sped

[ornate spoke]

Any compensation for already having 4k camo? I believe there is for having 5k camo, was just wondering

[pallid arch]

@ornate spoke any duplicate camo is 250k credits
Curse autocorrect

[wind light]

Huh do u get parts of fearless as well when u 4k rating?

[lime sparrow]

Uranium is going after one again???

[floral dock]

When you get teams with avg points in 2k

[sick leaf]

When season just started that’s how

[uncut lichen]

Do u get compensation when u get fearless twice

[worldly anvil]

2 million credits compensation

[nimble vale]

Why rating battles have a schedule? Why they stop at 11PM? They should run 24/7!

[worldly anvil]

No, we can't let the already nolifes nolife even more for virtual success

[west folio]

wg fix your mm

[cedar river]

@west folio git gud

[leaden niche]

Players not like to play rating. If it run 24/7, you probably found every game in 7m.
I think it's good.

[grave harness]

I wish it ran 24/7, it opens at 9pm for me

[sonic sedge]

@grave harness perhaps you’re on the wrong server then for your time-line!

[hollow sierra]

I believe ratings deserves a big overhaul. I don't know why this hasn't happened yet, but here are my 0,02 eurocents. First of all: the calibrating system is bull - 💩 . You get put into a certain league based on 10 battles! 10 battles is way too little to put someone in a league. You can have great luck or the opposite, which makes ratings calibration a joke. Ratings shouldnt reset totally every month: instead WG should use a system in which everyone loses a certain amount of points (fixed percentage) every month to avoid inflation. That way people will get into the ranks they actually deserve. The points system is also bad right now: losing points while doing very well on a team of bots is ridiculous, just like winning points on a winning team while doing jack - 💩 . I agree that its a team game, but the current system rewards having luck and determination (playing as many games as you can) instead of skill. Being on the winning team is important, but at least a part of the focus should shift from the team result to the individual results. And a third point: don't only account for the average rating: a team consisting of 3 superunicums and 4 bots isn't the same as a team of 7 unicums. Why are people with silver rating put into games with 5K rating players? Again bad design.

[floral dock]

+1

[median wagon]

Not enough players to have a true SBMM. Modern warfare/cold war’s SBMM isn’t ideal because it ruins gameplay as it is a good example of what strong SBMM does, because it punishes you for playing well by putting similar players in your games

[pale ravine]

Make the rating the way of nowadays MOBA like banning tanks lmao

[hollow sierra]

Thats exactly what the point of ratings should be though: it should getting harder and harder to win games. Now the difficulty stays the same and it's more akin to a long grind instead of a mode based on skill. But even then, my two first remarks still stand and there is absolutely no reason to keep it like it is right now.

[cedar river]

@hollow sierra i think u forgot to put "no" between absolutely and reason lol

[hollow sierra]

@cedar river indeed; thanks for pointing that out

[warm charm]

honestly the biggest problem is the hard reset, once every season ends all the super unis and the 40%ers are grouped together, which messes up calibration for both (super unis get lower than they should, and the 40%ers get higher than they should), and then it takes like over a week and a half for these 2 groups to separate, and then its a race to see how many battles u can play to reach the top XX spots

[cedar river]

@warm charm cough my 2900 calibration XD

[frank widget]

Shouldnt stopping the cap in encounter battles give you rating? I literally sacrificed my entire hp to stop the cap, saving my entire team in the process. I got a bunch of dmg because of this and died soon after. Got the least rating in the whole team even though I saved them from a 100% loss.

[floral dock]

Rating is less skill based and just who grind from when it opens until it closes every day

All premium and collectors vehicles should be banned from rating but Wargaming won’t ever do that since it would be them admitting that premium/collector tanks are better than tech tree tanks

[native marten]

that's literally the selling point though; better than tech tree tanks, but (hopefully) not broken

you don't go around marketing something like "yo this piece of garbage is worse than its competitors, but we need the money so we're hoping you donate to us lol"

and besides, there's stuff like the emil 1, the tiger 2, the e75, even things like the t32 that are in the tech tree that perform relatively well

[grave harness]

wargaming please bless me with good rng

[muted shuttle]

@hollow sierra Sorry but a few points of your theory don't make sense

[hollow sierra]

@muted shuttle Im sure youre right; could you elaborate though?

[muted shuttle]

@hollow sierra Firstly, your last point about putting silver ranked players among diamond league ones has been discussed multiple times before. It's only due to low amount of players that are available, by increasing the player base the problem would solve itself. Secondly, your complain about the uneven point distribution. You can't make a program that would decide whether you are "entitled" to earn some points or not. What if you scored the top damage but that was only, let's say 3 shots. Why should only you get points, if you played as badly as your whole team. And vice versa. What if used your Maus as HP pool and saved a few team mates but inflicted the lowest damage. Should you receive no points at all?

[lime sparrow]

Would be cool if the ratings points system factored the amount of shots you recieved/deflected and also the capture points you took away

[muted shuttle]

Not really

Then it would encourage heavy tanks spam.

Or basically anything that can actually bounce a shot, meaning there wouldn't be a single reason to play light or paper mediums

[hollow sierra]

@muted shuttle I agree on the first topic; thats why I put it as my 3th issue with ratings battles and I agree thats something that needs a fix. I think however that ratings currently doesnt attract many people because 1) its a grind based on spamming battles and 2) the rewards are kinda meh (an IS6 reskin; really?). That does not bother me personally btw, I could not care less about the rewards and like the camos. But I indeed think that being top damage should always be rewarded or at least way less punished. If you get out 1,5k damage in tier 10 while your whole team dies with 1 shot or 0 done; its not your fault you lost even though your own performance is poor (make this XP based to avoid campers in the back) The point distribution should take this into account more than it does right now. To get bonus points after a loss you have to had a REALLY great battle and outperform basically everyone on the enemy team. I dont think thats right. At the same time does winning get you points; even if you did nothing for that win. I think thats not right. If you played meatshield in a Maus you wont end up with 0 damage unless youre a noob either. Low XP on a win should result in a loss in points, good performance on a losing team should be rewarded more. What do you btw think about my idea to get rid of the monthly calibration and to make ratings more like a ladder system in which everyone keeps the same rating relatively of eachother

[lime sparrow]

I say factor as in they'll constitute a portion of how to gain points. It shouldn't be a big factor anyways since absorbing dmg for the team is only one way that the rest of the team can pull off a win.
Besides doesn't the system factor in assistment/scouting as well? @muted shuttle

[muted shuttle]

Look, you are currently adjusting the algorithm in a thousand ways possible, whatever fits you the most and I could provide you with a rational outcome that would prove you wrong) @hollow sierra

@lime sparrow Assistance and spot damage is the same as far as I know

[native marten]

Well technically spotting falls under assistance but assistance can also extend to things like tracking an already-spotted tank while spotting damage is well only through spotting

[muted shuttle]

It's only one counter/ribbon if I'm not mistaken.

[median wagon]

The reward needs to change

[zinc ravine]

Maybe make the 50TP the new reward tank since it can bring excitement since it’s a new collector tank and it would bring back a lot of players to rating just like what the IS-6 Fearless but this time it may actually be worth the time

[sick leaf]

Except the 50tp is really good and the is6 fearless is meh

[frail elm]

Yea basically why i quit rating

[subtle phoenix]

grinding ratings to get fearless sucked, terrible toxic experience lmao

[fierce owl]

Ah lovely 25 minutes in rating that is sad,

[hollow sierra]

When I am longer than 1 min in queue I restart the clock, usually works

[loud flame]

Yeah me too

[keen moon]

MrSoviet_999#0402 has been warned.

[hollow python]

Thank you Wg for nice MM in rating thx thx thxxxxxx👍👍

[slate oyster]

Didn’t happen to compile any of that data did you? @hollow python

We were discussing a match I had this morning where the standard deviation PER PLAYER was 4% (28% total difference)

[cedar river]

Judging from your exp you werent even close to carrying so cant complain really

[hollow python]

14 LOSE at row THX WG

[floral dock]

If ur good, u lose games and still go up points. Maybe YOU just arent that good

[hollow python]

Lol, mb u go up points when lose in silver league but in platinum theres very hard to up its in lose

[agile sphinx]

If you are losing 14 in a row it's safe to say that it's not WGs fault you are losing its the common factor of one particular player who is in every one of those battles.

[floral dock]

Also the fact you are going down more than 10 point each time shows you arent exactly hard carrying but still losing

[frail elm]

lol

[lime sparrow]

get gud ez

[floral dock]

Wonderful first rating game of the day and there’s 2 afks

[grave harness]

ive been waiting in the queue for10 minutes, get in here

[floral dock]

Ban people under 48% from rating istg

[lime sparrow]

get gud ez (x2)

[low marsh]

I finally made it to 29% win rate :)

[floral dock]

Gg!

[native marten]

that's insane im still hardstuck 17% wr

[floral dock]

Imagine flexing the portal leaderboard like we cant just look it up our selves if we really care

[snow jewel]

i remember staying in top 2 for like 2 days at 5.3k

[woven solstice]

lmao, I need to take 5000 points asap, today I increased from 3800 to 4100

[warm charm]

imagine taking ratings seriously when its barely a skill based gamemode and its weekends 😩

[uncut lichen]

Its a gamble depending whos on your team

[pallid arch]

You are always on your team. Are those good odds or bad?

[worldly anvil]

Bad for the enemy team
:/

[ornate spoke]

i just go to platinum to have the shiny platinum thing on my account usually takes like 20 battles

[agile sphinx]

Losing 15-20 points at that rating means you aren't exactly carrying...

I don't think that's the matchmakers fault in the slightest 🤦‍♀️

[jade geyser]

if u dont like ratings dont play logic

[lime sparrow]

shhhh let people enjoy things, you gotta better things to worry about

[regal cosmos]

‘Ban average players from Ratings’

[native marten]

can't let the noobs get into battle if the battle never starts

[zinc ravine]

Just ban ratings problem solved

[paper burrow]

Yes @ornate spoke

[grave harness]

its rough today

[paper burrow]

Xd

[floral dock]

Very rough

[frail elm]

lol

[grave harness]

I played ratings for 3 hours to go from 4760 to 4720

[ornate spoke]

@grave harness wow that is bad

[haughty heart]

Awesome balance

[covert wind]

as a very wise SpartacusDiabalo once said: ur gonna win 30% of your games no matter what, u gonna loose 30% no matter what and the remaining 40% is always up to you.. thus creating the diff between a 70er and a 40er

[blissful bough]

i lost 300 points

[ivory venture]

im newbie bot kid(((
Nice team with 900 avg dmg

[keen moon]

_Bounced#8965 was muted

[uncut lichen]

I lost 500😸

[floral dock]

And I thought I had it bad losing 200...

[worldly anvil]

lmao

[agile sphinx]

Imagine losing points 🤨

[floral dock]

Imagine not getting screwed by 40% yoloers and people just ignoring the calls and pushing the wrong way. Smh

[lime sparrow]

Imagine just learning how to carry ez ez ez

[warm charm]

imagine complaining about teams when you're not doing enough for the team to justify your high rating

[grave harness]

Imagine driving an is4

[lime sparrow]

113 gang

[dapper burrow]

a

[worldly anvil]

215b gang

[feral fiber]

T62a gang

[zinc ravine]

Vickers CR gang

[agile sphinx]

St Emil gang?

...anyone? :(

[feral fiber]

M6 exp gang maybe?

[floral dock]

Kv-13 gang?

[pallid arch]

Oh please, t28 is where it is at

[queen lichen]

Kranvagn gang rise up!

[zinc ravine]

WZ-113G FT gang where?

[spring zealot]

1 vs 5 8120 DMG 5 KIlls colobanov plus ACE 🙂 i love grill

[zinc ravine]

Nice game m8 but that isn’t in ratings

[native marten]

I just realized

do people put pictures of random battles here because they don't realize it's for the gamemode "ratings battles" and instead think it means they post a picture of a battle here, and the people here rate their battle

[zinc ravine]

That might be a actual logical explanation for that

[dark ferry]

but that written gamemode bruh

[warm charm]

Or they just want more attention because there's a lot less people typing here so it won't get lost

[craggy vessel]

i cant get out of calibration? do i have to win the battle in order for the rating calibration to count? sorry if i sound stupid i just got my lttb to 100% crew

[floral dock]

Just play 10 games

[fierce owl]

Your not alone (:

[deft pike]

Hell yeah st. Emil is epic

[atomic meteor]

E5 cult for the win

[vital sigil]

a

[lime sparrow]

Gross

[covert wind]

KRAN GANG

[worldly anvil]

215b gang

[native marten]

doesn't play ratings gang

[zinc ravine]

No longer plays rating because they have the fearless gang

[worldly anvil]

plays ratings because i like to make 60% rerolls salty gang

[covert wind]

If u need to reroll for 60% you're pathetic. I had 50% with 5K battles and I'm now at 56.62 with 7.2K just by learning and watching YT. This game isn't hard.

[native marten]

that's kinda lit but show me one person who asked

[lime sparrow]

crickets chirp *

[feral fiber]

Play rating for fun gang

[kind owl]

WN8?
Also some clans ask for career stats and 30 days.

[covert wind]

WN8 can be farmed like WNR. U cant see one of them and determine how good a player is. I also dont like that WN8 takes the tank into consideration I play.

[floral dock]

WN7 is a more accurate representation

[kind owl]

I am asking you what is your wn8?

[tired vault]

L

[covert wind]

Around 2K

[kind owl]

the exact amount

[pallid arch]

3

[kind owl]

Having 2k wn8 is good and all (30d).
But 2450 wn8 is where most people want to be
and 3000 wn8 is where most clans will accept you.
Avr damage matter aswell etc.

[static vessel]

!rank @static vessel

[hazy bronze]

For any one to answer if play 30 battles in stb 1 and 20 in m48 Patton the will the stb 1 get camo for Diamond league

[feral fiber]

If u reach diamond, yes the stb will get the camo @hazy bronze

[hazy bronze]

@feral fiber thank you

[obtuse wigeon]

when can i enter Rating battels?

[opaque edge]

Any time when they are running during the day. It's some time around 8-9 AM CET and I think 10 PM it ends. Not sure, depends on your time zone.

[pallid arch]

It also depends on your server

[floral dock]

Apart from the fact you need 50 battles in 1 tank to get the camo...

[agile sphinx]

It's 50 battles at that tier not just in that one tank, and the most played tank gets the camo @floral dock

[floral dock]

My b I miss read the small print, thought it said 50 battle in each tank per tier

[analog raptor]

since the 7.5 update, i have noticed that it now takes like 2min so i can get into a rating battle, and along with that im having a lot of games with a lot of good players, like 4 to each side. Is there any changes to the rating mm system?

[sick leaf]

Ive noticed the same thing. There are a lot more players in the queue, maybe it’s because mm has become more selective

[grave harness]

I played for 3 hours and just went up and down between 4650 and 4750.

It’s been like this for 3 days now, going nowhere :”u

[lime sparrow]

pain

[native jackal]

Is there a new camo for diamond or will it stay same as last time?

[floral dock]

I was stuck in that range last rating season :/ was only just able to break out of 3700-3800 today and hit plat

[lime sparrow]

im meming in the 4.1k range
printing credits in t8 jajajajaj

[opaque matrix]

@grave harness play t8 attention saturday morning i took practicaly 800 pts between saturday and sunday

[oak ingot]

i got from 2960 to 5003 in 2 days

[stoic wigeon]

a

[lime sparrow]

wtg

[robust yoke]

Now this is something I don’t understand 🤷‍♀️

[feral fiber]

You?
Hes trolling then

[robust yoke]

Nope. A guy who rushed and died in the first minute. The strange thing that makes me wonder is that he’s a 72% player with almost 13k battles

[lime sparrow]

hes trolling

[native marten]

now that's dedication i respect that

[grave harness]

reminds me of this

[sick leaf]

His accuracy is lower than many people winrates

[native marten]

you know what you can't even be mad that's just impressive

[lime sparrow]

impressively dissapointing

[native marten]

still impressive

[sick leaf]

Funny enough he still managed to complete the battlepass missions

[lime sparrow]

with the 5$ package/25$ package anybody could

[rose path]

Aight, back from my 2wk ban. Just a quick update on the Ratings tool:

Script breaks during off season days since WG wipes the dbs right at the end of season. Also, I've yet to fix a few bugs such as out of bounds when theres not enough ppl on leaderboard. Patches coming soon once I have time. Lastly I got rightclicked for posting that automated ad tool, not for this so rest assured my tool doesnt break EULA.

@hollow sierra You start off with 3K during calibration btw, the first ever match you play almost dictates where you might land

[drifting plover]

@rose path you can start from 0 and finish season with 6k points if you are good player 😁

[rose path]

@drifting plover If you have the time to recover major losses yes, not everyone is able to sit 50+ battles all day everyday

[lime sparrow]

50+ with the holidays? sounds more doable tbh

[drifting plover]

@rose path that was example😁
If you start with 3k points you can earn 100 or more every day 🙂

[rose path]

Yeah I mean during calibration everyone starts off with 3K and during the 10 battles you gain or loose 200-300 per match before points adjust once you calibrate

[pallid summit]

When the yultide express event came in I was at 52% now I am finally going back i'm at 49.68% (30second and all my team was dead except me and my platoon...)

[agile sphinx]

@★𝕰𝖑𝖞𝖙𝖗𝖗𝖆★#0186

1. This is #rating-battles , not #cry-about-teammates

2. If you are losing that much of your WR you are on a very small amount of battles so not only are you at lower tiers you are also likely in the noob mm so you have an even bigger impact on your WR

[lime sparrow]

Ey yo rate my battle ehzhehhzeh

[hollow python]

ez (168 battles)

[hollow python]

reminds me of this
@grave harness i up 0 rating 5 times on reroll acc

[rose path]

Interesting

[lime sparrow]

Up and down and up and down and

[rose path]

I just realised something right, has anyone else's rating MM been particularly really bad this month? Other than external contributing factors like christmas season causing a higher playerbase peak or fluctuations in player count at certain times of day affecting queue waiting? Been seeing word about how the grace period for stock tanks have been quietly removed which instantly reminded me of the evidence of MM rigging during Mad/Burning Games that favoured lower winrates last month which leads me to believe that WG right now is toying around with the current matchmakers and I dont think we're getting insights about it let alone a say hence I'd be concerned. If anyone wants to contribute, Im looking for a wide range of players who have a huge dump of replays they're willing to dm to be analysed as a training set with my clanmate's blitz-tools since studies into MM was only tested with Mad, Burning and Public modes so far and not Ratings. Hopefully interesting finds are discovered in the data because god knows what BlitzUP team are up to.

https://blitzanalysiz.com/blog/2020-11-10_rigged_mad_games_mm/

https://youtu.be/v_f-VUVfMt8

[rose path]

Something seems off about the leaderboard this week too, dunno if it's just me but theres a massive 700 point gap between 1st and 30th player in place to date. First time I've seen such huge gaps in points between each players from top 100 onwards

30th place as of right now

[sick leaf]

@rose path nothing like that except rating queue seems to be more filled with players, wait times are longer, and teams are made up of better players. I think they probably tightened the requirements, essentially less people in 4-5k fighting with people in 2k

[crimson goblet]

@ExtraBacon#3961 that is the dumbest thing i have read in a long time,first of all, why would ANYONE care about teams in gamemodes that are supposes to be there for fun and they dont even add to statistics.
2. why tf would wg care to do that in gamemodes,especially since it has been stated that we wont see any skill based mm,which is better this way

[agile sphinx]

@crimson goblet If there was stat based MM then good players would see a very very noticeable decrease in quality of their teammates and would lose a considerable amount more, and it's easier to have fun when you are winning. WG also said they are definitely not removing missiles and many other things throughout the years, and if they were going to try stat based MM then the special gamemodes would be the place to start because it has no effect.

[late mural]

@crimson goblet It is a proven fact they are using winrate-based MM in the so-called "fun" modes. You can easily check this yourself if you analyse the teams in your own battles.

Why they are doing this (and in secret) is a good question.

I don't see any fun in unfair MM.

[regal cosmos]

Takes some fun out of ‘fun game modes’

[feral fiber]

Gravity mode but in ratings

[next gull]

@ExtraBacon#3961 not sure about what you want to get from rating replays. MM is not random there, we know it.
Maybe more players means smaller rating dispersion in each team. But this has always been part of the MM too.

[rose path]

I know nobody really cares about loosing in gamemode but I'd argue if theres higher credits to be won I'd be mad too if I had long loss streaks but the point of showing Mad/Burning Games rigging was to demonstrate that WG for sure has the ability to quietly "tweak mm", why? I'd guess because obviously devs can't just mess around on production such as public/random battles thus they probably needed to experiment their MM tweaks on a gamemode nobody cares about stats in like special fun modes. Whether that removed "grace peroid" really exists or not nobody knows unless the evidence can be pulled from analysing a lotta data let alone figuring out if any other matchmakers has changed too. Which is why I'm also asking for a huge data set of Ratings replays so the same study can be done for that gamemode too rather then just anecdotally speculate through battle results which very well could be just confirmation bias on my end. As for the gap in league points I've been told that apparently it's due to so few players playing ranked and the "Ratings algo not converging properly". @next gull Already did really good MatLab data crunching on Ratings during the long season over autumn regarding winrate and league.

@next gull I know Ratings mm would be special but I wanna crunch the numbers to check for sure instead of speculate that WG hasn't been messing about over there too which I spend an awfully too much time on personally. I've heard so much moaning and crying not only coming from me too but plenty of others about how even silver league players for example are in the matchmaker's of diamonds extremely high up. Whether that's just part of the MM because of so few numbers, I'd argue nobody could definitely say for sure unless studies have been done with actual replays/data rather than sticking to gut feeling.

So to help crack open these questions I'm asking for a wide variety of Ratings replays from anyone who'd kindly dump me a few. In the coming days I'll be patching bugs and finishing the Ratings tool properly soon and I might also start caching/logging daily leaderboard activity too.

Lastly to point out, I believe leaderboard fixing is possible with enough players. I don't have solid evidence for this but apparently certain LOCA and APA members colluded over one of the summer seasons to kick a certain player out of top 10.

[pale ravine]

This season rating is literally harder than last time, for no reason

[steady magnet]

Rating battles can go to F-ing hell. I'm done with it. Teams are filled with such greedy deaf trashbags, it's impossible to do absolutely ANYTHING.

[pallid arch]

Lol. have you tried carrying?

[pale ravine]

@pallid arch u can't carry when your team doesn't do thing they're supposed to do

[pallid arch]

Looking at how many ratings points he is losing, he isn't even carrying his own weight on the team.

If you are top damage, top xp, and top kills every match and still lose 20 in a row, then I will see some reason in the complaining. But if you are losing that many ratings points and blame the team, you get no mercy from me.

[pale ravine]

Not gonna lie but thats pretty normal, speaking of point dropping, I once did 4k damage but my point still dropped, and once I did 3k damage but my point is rewarded 12 as we lost, I have screenshot but I'm lazy to post it here as I didn't black those names out, dm me if you want

[rose path]

@steady magnet Can't really draw conclusions from just battle results sadly, statistically everyone at some point is going to have that one day where it's a full 20 loss streak. The day that happens, the day your brain is fried.

[keen moon]

Warning logged for peaceofmind#0575. I couldn't DM them.

[pallid arch]

-30 in gold means you basically yolo. If you are top of the team, you rarely lose any significant amount of rating points.

Also, the higher your ratings, the fewer points you earn, but also the fewer you lose. Also, if you are not spotting for yourself you only get half of the credit for the damage, so just raw damage numbers can vary greatly in how much of an effect the have.

-50? Bruh, I occasionally full yolo and I don't think I have ever lost nearly that much

Also, you never have to yolo. You should be watching your team. If they are no helping you, fall back. Separation from the team is on the single player that separated, not the 6 other players in the match.

[pale ravine]

sometime you had to be yolo because your team won't follow and rush with u

Neither do I have actually dropped 50

That doesn't work when MT and aggressive TD are all camping

[rose path]

@pallid arch Isn't -50 yoloing or less than 2 shots worth of damage? Gold kinda iffy because thats where calibration starts

[pallid arch]

If all 6 of my teammates sit in spawn, I will go back to meatshield them. If they are going to be idiots, I'm going to still find a way to use them to my advantage.

If you just say "oh no, loss" and suicide, lol, I will take the camping idiots over you anyday.

Make the most out of the situation. The enemy team will come to you eventually, and if you team is all in one spot, they will delete the targets as they get spotted.

[pale ravine]

Bruh? How are you gonna know what enemy are gonna do if your team stay still, people always say use your teammates, as a meatshiled, whatever, but I use them as a spy tool, they give me location, I hunt and pin em down

That's still a lose, but your point won't be added, as you technically didn't spot, your dead team does, you only does damage

[pallid arch]

Huh? Yes you spot for yourself. Hiding behind does not mean sit in the corner of the map. Nah, I hold my shield of meat directly in front of me and let my optics do the work. I spot for myself. Is do damage. I outlast my allies and cripple enemies as they kill my allies. Doing this will basically lose you no ratings points.

[pale ravine]

wtf I did the same, one MT and one tortoise is camping, and I damaged around 4 tanks using the MT as a meatshield, and got 4k damage and I still lose points

Wait base capping counts?

[rose path]

Spotting and Damage together gives you much more points, the apex being capping bases as well too

[keen moon]

classified#8145 has been warned.

[steady magnet]

Yea, but I don't have a god damn losing streak in regular battles. Its the garbage ratings where I keep losing to no end, cuz the teams are just plain r-tarded

[pliant minnow]

@rose path Ratings MM is even not supposed to be equal based on WR etc, so I am not certain what you are after here? The Ratings MM is supposed to make teams only based on their Ratings performance

[rose path]

@pliant minnow That's exactly what I wanna know, how is anyone definitely sure Ratings lately has been working as expected and not quietly changed the same way stock grinds have recently as well as maybe gain further insights into how MM works instead of just guessing based on what we speculated and technically draw consensus from, especially when devs have never directly discussed any ingame mechanics in detail with the community and seems like they'd rather talk to journalists writing sponsored articles 🙂

I wanna know why this season has been particularly so bad using actual analysis otherwise it's just a matter of being brushed with the same confirmation bias and "nah it's just you, 0 proof" label. I'll either prove myself right or very well wrong.

[ornate spoke]

We should have that in the losing team, the one with highest xp earned should not lose points

[rose path]

If MM is based on Ratings performance/points I wanna know exactly why players two leagues below me still appear in MMs other than the fact that theres not enough players at a given time of day

[jovial cipher]

The ratings today are so toxic that my mental health is getting destroyed

[covert wind]

This game is worth no ones mental health. U should stop playing

[rose path]

I mean to be fair, it very could be just a me problem

[dreamy wind]

ratings is bad for everyone right now. it’s all the update teams that are playing plus it’s christmas break right now for most kids. just find a tank you can carry in and stick with it. i personally find hull down meds are the best at this. even tho teams can be something horrendous you can easily carry if you know what your doing. if you think your doing bad in ratings right now, trust me someone is doing worse

[lime sparrow]

i use ratins to make monies

[smoky canyon]

T-34-2 I find surprisingly good at ratings when it comes down to tier VIII

[molten kelp]

I have 5007 ;) search me i add us im SK1LLED_PL4YER

[next gull]

@rose path my message disappeared, but basically as Jylpah said, what are you trying to see. MM is based on rating points, this is what we can see directly in the battle result screen. You want to correlate that with what from the replays ? You think that MM manages both rating point and WR ?

[rose path]

My current understanding of Ratings MM is that it's purely based on points and league and that player count throughout the day can affect it. Again, what I want to know is if that can be verified. That Ratings has not been touched knowing that we now know what they've done to the "grace period" (which I wanna look into that too). I may find something I may not, that's the point because unless WG devs want to step in and explain then theres some unknowns yet to be answered for such as "why is this season so bad, is it just me", "why am I going up and down never progressing" or "why are teams so bad lately" other than just to speculate and never confirm it with solid findings and I really don't see whats wrong with collecting the data/replays to analyse the MM to answer these (unless GDPR or Directives prohibit this which is ironic considering replays are freely shared without consent). How can you be so definitely be so sure that Ratings is not taking to account winrate and take your word for it other than just skimming through a dump of battle results screenshots instead of dumping everything to an actual tangible tool that could possibly look past cognitive bias. We're always going to be wrong to some degree and the goal is to be less wrong over time so even if nothing interesting is found is that not to say it's at least an effort? I could be very wrong in the end but I just want solid evidence that Ratings, a gamemode that I've found myself playing more than randoms all year has not been live experimented with by WG devs. I'd very much appreciate it if someone could prove me right or wrong with citation 🙂

[pallid arch]

You, sir, are far too big brained for this chat.

[rose path]

@pallid arch I just want answers thats all, I play this god forsaken gamemode way too much. You could call it addiction

[wind light]

imagine have some skill right?

[muted shuttle]

@wind light 200exp seems a lot

[wind light]

3 wins 17 lose, big mistake that im still playing, yea just want the camo for 5k raiting, but im going start tomorrow again with hope al legendary players that ruin game are gone, if i lose i just go off

[muted shuttle]

Yes, that is true. Sometimes letting go is the best way

[ornate spoke]

@rotund dagger English please

[tranquil grove]

I really question the seriousness of rating if I see people in Rating with 5000+ and they have no Tank over 50% wr as their favourite rating tank, and then u have them in your team they go YOLO and you are sitting there questioning if mankind actually deserves to be alive any longer. And they have like 1500 Games in Total this season that is almost 100 a day. Tbh I really think rating is just about who plays more battles then the other rather then skill. I mean wtf is this, change my mind but I think every if you have under 50% wr you should go down and not up, I mean u lose more Battles then u win, why would you go up ? That would be like getting a gold medal although u finished 9th out of 10. Omg guys could this be it ? Does WG reward the bad kids so they keep playing and give them more money ? Thats a whole new level of P2W ngl

[lime sparrow]

1500/20 is 75 a day??

[tranquil grove]

I did not see that today
Few days ago

[rose path]

@tranquil grove Galabru actually looked into that exact question a while back, Is Ratings just a matter of spamming battles and the findings were very interesting:

http://forum.wotblitz.eu/index.php?/topic/51525-real-stats-repository/page__pid__828550__st__100#entry828550

[next gull]

@rose path there is no criticism, just curiosity. You know I am a stat-freak.

[grave harness]

i got to 4995 and now the game is giving me ! teams, wg can you stop please i just want to sleep

[grave harness]

thanks wg 🐸

[hot zephyr]

exactly ratings really needs a revamp. IMO they should bring the bond shop(but not bond equipment or maybe give season coins for ratings battle

[atomic meteor]

hehe E5 go brrrrr

[rose path]

Honestly I wouldn't mind seeing premiums/collectors banned along with consumable boosters if they truly wanted an equal playing field to test "skill". Similar to how tester clans cant just straight up spam test tanks like the prenerfed AMX.

[dry crater]

can someone explain to me how ratings MM decides to match you up? It seems to me that the only thing that really matters to MM is the avg ratings being about fair.

[stable egret]

Hmmm rating battles in asia is more like ranting battles now :/

[agile sphinx]

@mortal flicker No naming and shaming here, stop crying, and those are poor players the MM can do nothing about it because it only looks at their ratings.

[mortal flicker]

oh ok sorry

[dry crater]

if they dont fix ratings MM can i just recommend that the highest exp earner on the losing team not lose any points?

[versed thunder]

my gold league games are filled with 500 avg dammage players 😦

[wet kayak]

WG I have a proposal to you and it’s don’t put 40% players in rating battles
Rating battles are”more competitive” and there are too many 40% and 30% players

[pallid arch]

There aren't an 30ers in diamond. I suggest getting better/ getting higher ratings, and you won't have to look at them again.

[haughty storm]

Yep

[wet kayak]

Yeah it’s the easy way, play a lot and someday u will reach Diamond league or we can’t suggest to remove 40% players cause all the players who plays rating battles it’s because they want more competitive battles and players and we can’t find that with players who has 300 battles and a tier X like Vk.90 or T22. I can understand how the MM works but we can do a better performance in rating battles.
Just my opinion

[lime sparrow]

I'm starting to find a different source of issue after you asserted that a players with Vk90s and T22s are what makes this game-mode uncompetetive

[dry crater]

i mean as of right now i am in diamond. I can say with a level of certainty george that even if your diamond you will still meet 2 and 3k players who generally are still 30ish 40ish percenters.

[hazy bronze]

It does not matter what league your in always face 30% to 60%in ratings.

[sonic hemlock]

my ratings be like

[rose path]

How is everyone's Ratings MM lately? Same like previous seasons or suddenly harder/easier this month??

[lime sparrow]

longer queue times in t8 for some reason

[covert wind]

What do u expect its gold ?

[lilac lion]

Way harder
I was 50 off of platinum and suddenly 3600 rating cos I’m stuck with silver players constantly and my teams are sucking

[copper mauve]

@uncut lichen how about

1: stop swearing

2:save up free exp

[uncut lichen]

✨Grace Period✨ and shst isnt swearing

[lilac lion]

Uh oh

[zinc ravine]

How are you playing a stock M6 in ratings anyway since it’s not even a tier 7 or above

[sick tiger]

i think he meant on random

[narrow crow]

Had to fight with tier 10 while using ST-1 all stock couldn't pen any HTs

[muted shuttle]

@uncut lichen Mind your language please)

[rose path]

Anyone know why EU cluster is the only region that doesnt have the 25 parts bracket?

[prisma gull]

yee

[stoic oracle]

Ratings in Asia server is now the same as Random battles.
Why not let the top 2-3 players lose significantly less trophies so that they don't suffer?

[woven solstice]

Hmm everyone complaining about rating mm, and it's true, today I've been losing like 5 battles in a row and can't win anything, can't get over 4610. . .

[lime sparrow]

When everyone is complaining about how mm is screwing them over, it implies that the issue might not actually be the mm

[feral fiber]

I thought its when only one person is complaining about mm, then the issues might actually not be the mm

[haughty storm]

I have had bad matchmaking maybe 3 times in the past 90 days, anyone who complains about MM is just a sore loser

[agile sphinx]

Because then it would be even easier to get to high ratings and people who spam games could get even higher and imbalance games even more... 🤦‍♀️

To improve ratings you need to make it an actual challenge, not make it easier

[stoic oracle]

But then it's extremely hard for Asian server
Atleast top damage ones should lose less trophies
And it would definitely not break Ratings because you always need to be at top
And you definitely need some compensation if you keep doing top damage but teams let you down

[agile sphinx]

That is...exactly what happens currently...? 🤦‍♀️
You should not be rewarded any more for sitting back and farming off your team while they die because you are useless.
It's already stupidly easy to get to 5k rating just by spamming games, the easier you make it the worse ratings is going to be.

[stoic oracle]

So you're telling me
Even if you get top damage in 90% of the games
You don't deserve to go up in Ratings?

[high arch]

The worst scoring guy(s) of the winning team should also only break even or even lose some points, would increase the difficulty and make battle spamming less useful.

[agile sphinx]

@stoic oracle If you lose the game why should you get rewarded? Especially if when you win a game you cannot lose points no matter how much you block, or are useless.

There needs to be a change in the way points are distributed, so that is more difficult to go up. You are suggesting the opposite, which is extremely counterproductive

[jovial cipher]

Pfff I don't care about the points anyways, I'm only playing ratings to spare my WR to play the event

[stoic oracle]

I am not saying rewarded
I am telling to significantly reduce the amount of rating points we lose
Playerbase differs from each server and we have a lot of bad players in Asia server who like to play ratings

[agile sphinx]

You can already gain points. That is already too much. What more do you want???
You just want an easy way up, and it's already pretty easy...

[rose path]

Not that you deserve but algo won't let you, reminder that Ratings rewards the maximum points if you do high damage AND high spots with extra points for base caps, frags etc as well as take into account how much damage you do in a minute (modules included). Players with a high risk high reward aggressive gameplay will find this comforting but MM is a whole other story since theres only so much carrying you can do to the point where it's not a you problem anymore.

For example, prenerfed Emil1 used to average me about 30-50 points per win in platinum making it one of the most broken tank to have ever been abused in Ratings for the same reasons the original Sheridans/T92E1s was.

[grave harness]

petition for chat to be disabled for dead players

[feral fiber]

I mean they can be useful like telling what the opponent hp is

[grave harness]

I’ve only ever seen that on WoT pc, here the just cry like babies

[lilac lion]

When do ratings reset

[zinc ravine]

They made chat like that a long time ago but many of the players didn’t like it so they probably won’t do it again

[lilac lion]

Ah so I’m gonna be stuck at 3600 forever since my teams suck and I’m always top
Awesome 🙃

[sharp pine]

lmao u think thats something to brag about? facing a tiger 2? pfff

[jagged spade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/758036928426672188.gif?v=1

[covert wind]

With his damage more like his teammates won for him

[sharp pine]

true tbh these are the kind of players that you have to carry

[lime sparrow]

congrats on firing a whopping 4-5 shots

[velvet ginkgo]

I face King tiger and win lol
@orchid veldt omg im so suprised that u can kill tiger 2,
I've only killed E 75 TS's in my entire game with my beloved Ru 251

[stuck kernel]

Lol

[native marten]

without a doubt best player on NA

[woven imp]

Rating in a nutshell : premium tonk spamed

[tranquil grove]

@woven imp yeah but that is due to the Credit Bonus of 60% for Plat and 100% for Diamond (sth like that) you get when playing Rating, so of course driving a premium tank is a good way to farm Credits without damaging you WR. Which is why I play rating, I don’t care about my league as the system is broken anyways but I make tons and tons of credits 😅

[orchid granite]

since the last few months, rating battles are full of progetto46s, fcm 50t, object 252u, fv201 a45, lekpz m41 90mm, t22 medium, amx m4 54 mle, IS-5, m60, etc etc. I wish it wouldn't have been like this

[woven imp]

I thing wargaming have to make limitations. Like maximum 2 premium or collector tank in each battle will be fair.

[orchid granite]

you know wargaming; there is just a 5% chance that such a change will be made. but all I want is all hybrid nation tanks to be banned from ratings, because clearly, the entire tech tree is broken. they should be playable only in regular battles, and rare modes

[feral fiber]

Mm will take very long

[ornate spoke]

"spic" is a racial slur. Do not use it here. Sp 1c is acceptable. @pale ravine @woven imp

[pale ravine]

That's a bruh moment

[woven imp]

Oops sorry. I didn't mean to offend anybody. I didn't know that's a racial slur. I'll write it as
SP 1C next time.

[ornate spoke]

Thank you

I know you didn't mean it but I still need to point out the error

[pallid arch]

Just call it the spicy tank

[ornate spoke]

@elfin burrow no. Just Google it

[pale ravine]

Anyways still how does this sp1c decreased more points than a 0 damage

[agile sphinx]

@pale ravine Last battle of calibration is most likely

[pale ravine]

What, you decrease points when lost on the last battle of calibration matches?

[agile sphinx]

When you get your rating on the last battle of calibration it's shows as a large gain or loss of points to fit with the display of other people's gain/loss of points

[pale ravine]

:0

[pallid arch]

As a side note, higher ranked players (wz nearly 5k) do lose less than low ranked players.

They also gain far less, so its basically evened out.

[lime sparrow]

^

[brave cairn]

because SP I C is best tank

[lime sparrow]

That's depressingly average

[native marten]

below average

[rose path]

@orchid veldt bruh is that even ratings

[lime sparrow]

I'd rate that a 3/10

[rose path]

Jesus christ almighty the T-22 spam is absolutely insane right now

[prime tusk]

how many wins do we need to get the camo ? 50 for the tank or for the tier?

[regal cosmos]

50 in the tier. And the most played tank at that tier gets it

[worn flame]

What tank? IS-6 fearless?

[regal cosmos]

For the Ratings camo. 50 battles in a tier gets you a camo for that tier

[rose path]

You know, my team was winning 🍿

[agile sphinx]

I've ammoracked two of them tonight, 1.3k and 400hp mwahaha

[rose path]

@agile sphinx Oh wait, I think I saw that

[agile sphinx]

@rose path this one?

[rose path]

Oh, it was someone else then

[pallid arch]

Where is the rack located on the t22?

[agile sphinx]

Top
Bottom
Left
Right
Centre

Pretty much all the way along the top of the sides and then like the IS7 on the front I believe?

[zinc ravine]

Pretty much just hit the pike nose as it is pretty much where all it’s ammo is stored just like any Russian tank with a pike nose

[midnight narwhal]

What's a t22

[uncut lichen]

Idk i think its a dessert or sum

[lime sparrow]

🤔

[zinc ravine]

Maybe it’s a model of a car

[lime sparrow]

41 people in ratings and still no match queued - oh nvm

[rose path]

Seriously though, starting to get a lil annoying seeing 2 Uncatchables on each team in MM

[zinc ravine]

Wargaming must be very happy by the amount of money they just made from selling that thing

[covert wind]

Seeing as it feeds there family's I think they are.

[half badge]

That's not ratings....

[lime sparrow]

That's not even that impressive either.

[native marten]

1/10 not even a ratings battle and 2k at t8 is hella common

[half badge]

Yeah, not impressive ._.

[worldly anvil]

1114 base bruh

[feral fiber]

Ill give it a 2/10

[half badge]

Nice trying to ping everyone...also, this is the ratings battle channel lol

[severe sky]

hi

[lime sparrow]

Good for you, it’s not related to ratings battles anyways

[keen moon]

all time nub#5310 has been warned.

[turbid hinge]

T22 broken

[rose path]

@covert wind Too bad everyone had the brain to feed their own family first let alone theirs 🍞

[native jackal]

What’s the highest someone can calibrate? Got 3.8k this round, kinda thinking that it doesn’t let you get into 4k

[zinc ravine]

I got 4,3K once but that was back when ratings was first released

[agile sphinx]

I think 3very got almost 4.5k once? I think he won every game with good average damage but yeah getting over 4k calibration is possible I've done it a few times

[rose path]

Why the hell are there ppl calibrating this late into season, had 3 on my team. Obvious loss

[native marten]

Probably just doing the ratings mission, I’ve only done 3 ratings battles atm because if it weren’t for the missions I’d just avoid this game mode entirely

[rose path]

Gotta love it when clans like IMMOR do countdowns in ranked then abuse the honour system because someone on their team gets focused

[regal cosmos]

I don’t understand when people get mad for being focused, especially after they’ve flanked and are the easiest kill and the more important target

[brave cairn]

Why ,,clans like IMM0R" where is your proof of that rather than simply random players

[rose path]

@brave cairn Replay already sitting for Support Ticket, MOHAX too doing countdowns in Ratings too where there was literally about 6 in MM

[brave cairn]

That is simply a sign that they were doing countdowns, not that they were giving you Unsporting Conduct for focusing

[rose path]

@brave cairn That's up to Support Team to verify and actually see if they were thumbsdowning me for no reason, anyways I'm more than happy to start logging player battles to prove countdowns when the ability to do that is out there

[brave cairn]

What does this picture have to do with it

[rose path]

@brave cairn API lets you pull latest battles so theoretically if you start logging specific players you can lay out battle times side by side and see if they're doing countdowns. Can literally program that feature in since timestamps are saved in database as unix time so it's accurate down to the milisecond. The biggest issue is having false positives where it's genuinely a coincidence that they're all on the same MM

[stoic oracle]

In Asia
Ratings battle is the same as Random battles

[ornate spoke]

Yo

[ornate spoke]

Argent stp

[ornate spoke]

@brave cairn

[brave cairn]

?

@ornate spoke

[dawn gorge]

Do you lose wr at rating? Pls ping me for an answer

[regal cosmos]

no you dont

[glossy raptor]

@dawn gorge

[dawn gorge]

Tks

[rose path]

You loose your patience too

[rose path]

Day 3 of trying to break the bottleneck

[rose path]

@agile sphinx OH MY GOD, did u witness that

[agile sphinx]

I did 😂

Absolutely perfect timing lmao

[rose path]

The highest damage I've ever done in Ratings only to get hit with a cheeky "no u" HE shell

[agile sphinx]

Ewwww look at that bot IS8

[restive dock]

ratings are so stupid, I do 3.5k and lose points, but the guy on the other team who does 0 damage gains

[regal cosmos]

His rating is quite low, so that in combination with his team winning means he gets points. You are the opposite. Higher rating + team lost

[dry crater]

i mean kind of understandable. If he did any form of damage I can see him getting points but he was seemingly only useful for his HP... with that in mind I think 4 points is overly generous in that aspect... i could quite literally throw my tank at the enemy team and if we win i still get points. I don't see how that is right.

[brisk ridge]

ok ik it’s gravity mode but I am watching t7s go up and get into matches, why can I not get into a game

17 minutes holy crap....just to get a match on mines....and the team are apes

i just want the camo on my type

[worldly anvil]

negative sir
you may not have the ratings camo on your type

[brisk ridge]

apparently not, whats ironic is that i play t8 and i see t7 lights

[lime sparrow]

queues have been slow this season for some reason

[rose path]

Nah, slow today because Gravity

[lime sparrow]

I said slow this season as in overall queue times have been longer than they should be

[worldly anvil]

well it is december
lots of exams, tests, projects, holidays, family, vacations, etc
idk
many possible reasons

[viscid ravine]

Hey @worldly anvil, I'm on vacation lol

[wind light]

What's the best tank in rating?

[glossy raptor]

St emil

[stable egret]

Nah its SP1C

[grave harness]

Will I stay in the top 40 if I don’t play for the rest of the season? I am in 17th place

[slender kindle]

Hello, when is the ranked sesaon ending?

[rose path]

@agile sphinx Turns out I killed him first, sucks so much the MM gave me just 9 points 😂

[brave cairn]

31th

[rose path]

@brave cairn I think Ive had you in my MMs lately lol

[rose path]

Theres only 2days a few hrs left of season ofc you will, I wanna know how volatile top 100 is rn since im pulling out at 79th place

[worldly anvil]

hello

[ornate spoke]

Hi

[latent vault]

Nice team

[brave cairn]

atleast you went up in points

[ornate spoke]

Is @sonic sedge still here?

[lime sparrow]

ur able to tag him, that probably means yes

[rose path]

Anyone know if top100 is likely to shift by 20 places in the next 48hrs?

[lime sparrow]

doubt

[dry crater]

Yeah definitly not 20 places

[tranquil grove]

Rating is sich a funny gamemode, 10 Loses in a Row but just -80 Points, do the Math on that WG
The MM is so trash
I get a stupid Team every time, they never heard of teamplay and everybody just yolos one after the other

[tranquil grove]

Make that 13 loses in a row

[tranquil grove]

Yeah I could write I book about that

[keen moon]

BERSERK__VARG(Самир)#1871 has been warned.

[desert breach]

I think u mean 31st

[desert breach]

xD

[jovial cipher]

3 + 1 = 31

[brave cairn]

1 + (3*10)=31

[wind light]

best tank for in raiting 🤞

[brave cairn]

SP I C is best for rating

[grave harness]

its a nice little pinata

[wind light]

@brave cairn if i needed to lose my stats I take sp I c 😑🙃

[prisma gull]

hehe

[dark zephyr]

@wind light congrats on diamond

[ornate spoke]

Do ratings end on jan 1 at 7est or do they end today??

[brave cairn]

end 31.

[rose path]

Within the next 21hrs, how likely am I to slip off Top100?

[ornate spoke]

Ratings are taking so long today

[wind light]

@dark zephyr thx men 🙂

[thick lynx]

Please remove these supernatural "tanks" like gravedigger, smasher, anhilator etc. from rating battles.

[wind light]

@thick lynx why lol

[thick lynx]

So that there's at least one gamemode where they are not breaking the good vibe of the game

[grave harness]

They are teir 7, it doesn’t matter

[somber sparrow]

Tier*
and it does matter.

[ornate spoke]

@thick lynx "breaking the good vibe of the game"
Good vibe like not being able to focus fire a fridge on tracks that misses every 2nd shot at point blank?
Tier 7 is bottom tier, rarely if ever I see a pure t7 battle.
Git gud

[regal cosmos]

you really think the annihilator misses the 2nd shot?

[ornate spoke]

You know fully well I was referring to the Smasher.
As for the others, their pen is nothing to write home about against tier 8. Not even Smasher heat goes through in a frontal engagement. If you're getting flanked then we all know who's to blame

[regal cosmos]

Thought youd mean the annihilator because that tank gets worse accuracy on 2nd and 3rd shots

[grave harness]

You shouldn’t be playing ratings in tier 7 unless you are trying to challenge yourself / get the camo on the st Emil. If you have problems dealing with these tanks in teir 8 then you should get out of ratings

[brave cairn]

you said that twice

[gaunt edge]

Happy new year!

[ornate spoke]

Still not enough to make it stick in peoples mind. It's World of Tanks, not World of Entitled Crying. Those tanks shouldn't be able to be a problem in ratings

You shouldn’t be playing ratings in tier 7 unless you are trying to challenge yourself / get the camo on the st Emil. If you have problems dealing with these tanks in teir 8 then you should get out of ratings

[brave cairn]

3 times. Why do you have to repeat things you have already said

[grave harness]

I have no idea how that happened lol

[ornate spoke]

I've just repeated the truth thenerfdude said. It was because you thought it's a worthwhile post to call out the repetition.
The whole issue with nerf culture is that it disincentivises learning to play around, and since those who want nerfs are more vocal than the ones who can't care because they can outplay, it drives game developers into a never ending futile cycle of trying to please a vocal minority. It's a drain of resources that yields nothing, they'll have every month something new to moan about.
Greatest example are missiles. WG spent a lot on developing something to break the boring hulldown, but as soon as people have any counter to their godmode strat they cry foul instead of adapting. It wasn't perfect, but was imo an honest attempt from WG.
The only reason people cry about the tier7s is laziness of learning positioning, focus fire and map awareness.

[dark zephyr]

When will ratings reset?

[brave cairn]

it drives game developers into a never ending futile cycle of trying to please a vocal minority that is WGs choice what they do with thier game and whether or not to listen to ,,minorities".

The only reason people cry about the tier7s is laziness of learning positioning, focus fire and map awareness. Or because they think that those tanks are unbalanced, or any such reason rather than ,,only reason''

As for the ,,call out'' that is only your interpretation on why I said that.

@dark zephyr 31.

[high arch]

Yes the majority of super unicums disliked ATGMs because they couldn’t adapt 🤡
Your assumption(s) is (are) completely wrong to begin with so your argument is weak as a result of that.

[brave cairn]

Yes the majority of super unicums disliked ATGMs because they couldn’t adapt source for that statement?
Your who?

[ornate spoke]

Posting some online dictionary for a noun. Wow, if almost you'd be smart enough to realize I've been using it as a verb in my sentence.
You've again made no sense or point despite the quotes.
As for you, @winters#9987 that's a big YES from me. People who are in the 1% and make money off of their well trained habits and muscle memory react very bad to having to start the learning process again

[brave cairn]

using it as a verb in my sentence. the difference being if it(this specific word) is used as a noun or verb being?
You've again made no sense or point despite the quotes. Perhaps you could be more specific rather than ,,that does not make sense''

[ornate spoke]

If you don't know the difference between a verb and a noun maybe don't link dictionaries :) just a thought.
Your claim that constant nerfcrying should be allowed or even encouraged just because WG can ignore it is lunacy. It also didn't address anything I've said. It's a really lazy response.
The "or because" is yet another unfounded nothingburger. People weren't crying about balance back when games came out on CDs, they adapted and strategies evolved based on game reality.
Can you please at least try to make a valid point or you'll continue on the 3yo level of "no, you"?

[high arch]

I guess my opinion on a tank or mechanic doesn’t matter than because I’m in that 1% category. I’ll continue ignoring changes in metas and trying my best to keep playing like I did in 2014 because I can’t change to adapt to new updates!

🤦‍♀️ Being able to adapt to that mechanic was easy for that 1% in general, but the general opinion on them was still negative. Those things are completely seperate and your assumption they are related is just wrong. They have their right to criticize poor balancing/bad mechanics/.. and it’s up to WG what is done with the criticism. Is this always the exact truth? Nah

As far as proof goes: afaik no major polls were held amongst strictly super unicum groups so I could be wrong, but I know a lot of guys from the EU comp scene to random super uni’s of various communities and the majority of them disliked it, even many of those who loved playing the Sheridan realized it didn’t belong in blitz. (@brave cairn didnt quote it my bad, my first msg wasn’t meant in response to you, but to zeevon)

[brave cairn]

If you don't know the difference between a verb and a noun maybe don't link dictionaries :) just a thought. I asked you what you thought the difference was in CONTEXT. A verb is very similar to a noun and it is perhaps only your language bias that makes you think that it means anything.
It's a really lazy response. The seems to apply to you.
Your claim that constant nerfcrying should be allowed or even encountered just because WG can ignore it is lunacy. ,,should''? I did not say ,,should'' or direct any policy.
It also didn't address anything I've said. ,,It''? All of what I have been doing is addressing what people say.

5 if only 5k

[ornate spoke]

@brave cairn we're done here. That's as off topic as one can get. Lots of words, no meaning.
@high arch thank you! You've just said it yourself that the majority of crying wasn't coming from the 1% to begin with as they could adapt. Not?
Do a survey on any game, any platform about balance issues and you'll find the most opinionated are the ones who play the least and worst.
Did you know one can stroll up the back of the enemy with a kv2 in a random game and reload thrice before anyone turns around? Is that the tank being op or just player fault?

[brave cairn]

not finished

@copper mauve why end it rather than continue?

@ornate spoke throughout this conversation you have avoided my questions and said that I was not making ,,valid points'', you make quite a lot of meta references to the participants of this conversation which are ,,off topic'', aswell as not being specific, simply making this statements without source....
That's as off topic as one can get. Lots of words, no meaning.
It's a really lazy response.
It also didn't address anything I've said.
If you don't know the difference between a verb and a noun maybe don't link dictionaries :) just a thought.
Can you please at least try to make a valid point or you'll continue on the 3yo level of "no, you"?
You've again made no sense or point despite the quotes.

[copper mauve]

@brave cairn just end it

@brave cairn why end it? It’s nearly New Years (already is for some), just let it go.

[high arch]

Ok you didn’t read what I said, sad because I agree that the constant moaning for either buffs are nerfs are annoying, but that doesn’t always make them wrong. Certainly not because of an inability to adapt.

Just to be clear, you’ve drawn the wrong conclusion from my comment too: “the majority of crying didn’t come from the top 1%” is not something i said?

You section on polls makes no sense at all. A poll is a way to estimate the opinion of the population which by construction is opinionated. And WG bases their balancing on their statistics of battle performance mostly anyway 🤷‍♂️.

Yes people should learn instead of complaining, but that doesn’t mean people can’t discuss buffs and nerfs or if a certain mechanic belongs in the game yes or no.

[ornate spoke]

We've got a difference of worldview. imo if something is undesirable and disruptive, it's always that regardless of perceived justification.

So, you're saying they actually did complain about something that doesn't influence them? You're not trying to make yourself any more clear, just claim left and right to be misunderstood.

Ever heard of weighted polls? 1 to 5 with absolutely yes/no on the sides and don't care on the middle.
What sense does it have to balance based on results when the playerbase is monke?

Absolutely agree, discussion is healthy. Dogmatic propaganda isn't.
As for "belongs in the game": wish Japan would have called dibs on nukes don't belong in the war 😂 it's not an argument, or if we humor it as such; then it's a testament of "I'm comfy with the current gameplay and will throw a tantrum if I can't continue staying hulldown praying to RNGesus for a hit on a hatch while both me and my enemy rock back and forth"

so ratings end early today?

[worldly anvil]

what the rat happened
@ornate spoke yes, normally ratings ends a few hours earlier than normal on the last day

[regal cosmos]

Being able to deal with atgms doesn’t mean that it’s enjoyable or lets the game be anywhere as fun as it can be without them

[sick leaf]

He is probably trolling. He doesn’t even have a role, most likely an alt account

[ornate spoke]

When is the last day???

[worldly anvil]

31st

[high arch]

You are misunderstanding me and assuming I mean stuff I don’t even mention. Where did I mention “they complained about something that doesn’t influence them” or “the majority of crying didn’t come from the top players”?

I know enough about statistics to know your, to begin with weird, paragraph about polls makes no sense. (Everyone has an equally opinionated opinion).

I don’t even know why I joined this discussion and I’ll drop it here as well since you’re just assuming things. Have a great new year

[brisk ridge]

How early does ratings end

[heavy sable]

When i can get my new year reward is6? hohohoho

[rose path]

The 4 were fighting over top 5 only to all get poached into the same clan, nice one gg 😂

[agile pine]

Sheezzz.

[grave harness]

dude im actually going to get the fearless... I remember around a year ago just accepting that it will never be part of my collection. GIB PARTS WG :V

[rose path]

Same, im due to bring one to my garage. Finally can leave this cursed gamemode but ill continue to finish off my Ratings tool

[lime sparrow]

im just playing for the camos :0

[rose path]

Inhales
Where is my Fearless parts WG

[brave cairn]

I am waiting for the parts aswell

[rose path]

Ayyyy got a Fearless from a snowglobe 💀

[agile sphinx]

Sexy as ever 😍

[brisk ridge]

why

[haughty storm]

Lmaoooo

[lime sparrow]

flex

[safe obsidian]

On the sturer emil tho why

[zinc ravine]

Because it’s the best tier 7 tank ever of all time

[crude cliff]

y

[inland mural]

Hey, camoflague... So, if I have over 50 battles in the given tier and I already have the camo.. isn't it given to the 2nd most battle tank at that tier?

[agile sphinx]

@inland mural No you get credits compensation instead, about 200k I think...?

And yes the St Emil is the best tank at tier 7 and 8 so it's perfect for ratings

[heavy sable]

When the is6 come to me?

[glossy raptor]

A few days

[tranquil grove]

You just gotta wait a little, it takes longer for the IS-6 emblems, that’s why Rating is not available for 4 days after the end of the season. So it could take up to 4 days till you get ur rewards

Camo comes instantly though 😅

[inland mural]

@inland mural No you get credits compensation instead, about 200k I think...?

And yes the St Emil is the best tank at tier 7 and 8 so it's perfect for ratings
@agile sphinx oh damn, thx for the info. So it seems they changed it

[worldly anvil]

its always been compensation

[wind light]

looks so dam good

[main wave]

Oh my god...

[next gull]

This is ridiculous. How to make a not so special reward even less appealing. Gg WG.

[muted shuttle]

@next gull Have you actually watched the video?

@main wave Same question for you

[pallid arch]

They just angry that he gotem

[dry crater]

ah yes i would also like to be vocal about my outrage but would like for people to fall into the same trap i did

[main wave]

@muted shuttle I watched...

[rose path]

Fr tho reckon parts are coming today or tomorrow?

[zinc ravine]

I think parts always come a day after ratings starts again so probably tomorrow

[rose path]

I won a Dracula from snowglobe and got mad so I splashed 1500 gold and 460k xp for basically boosters, imma pretend I won something else 😂

[regal cosmos]

Got an Action X from the free Snow Globe 🙂

[zinc ravine]

I got the is-3 defender :/

[lime sparrow]

Lol i got me is6 from the snowglobe too hahhahrahrhurah

[molten spire]

i got Action X too

[next gull]

@muted shuttle this was a video ? Nope just read the comment in the thread name.
Edit : now i have. Does make even less sense to me. Oh well, I did not get it, my bad I guess.

[muted shuttle]

@next gull It was supposed be a joke I guess 🤭 either way we all got trolled))

@lime sparrow Did you actually?

[lime sparrow]

i was trying to play along with the joke from above but apparently people are falling for that as well

[orchid river]

2021

[ornate spoke]

Lol

[orchid river]

HI

😭

[solid lion]

Helo

[grave harness]

gib parts pls :v

[rose path]

where are thy keys parts

[echo vale]

Hola

[rose path]

hmmmm it's late this time, usually arives 2pm on 3rd day of month 😩

[glass sable]

Wheres my fearless wg🤦‍♂️

[ornate spoke]

Umm

[rain terrace]

Yoolo foxy sup

[grave harness]

Fearless parts were lost in shipping :”u

[agile sphinx]

WG decided to improve the reward to be the friends you made alone the way instead of fearless parts as a last minute decision

[glass sable]

Helloo

[heavy sable]

Where is my is6

[rain terrace]

I see taipei 101. R u from taiwan

[grave harness]

:v

[spiral pewter]

Look at that humongous amount of resources. Wish I have at least half of it

[rose path]

Lemme just f l e x on all you peasants 🤤

[outer spruce]

IS-3 is still better

[glass sable]

Yepp

[spiral pewter]

IS 6 is kinda the worst IS in tier 8. Even tier 7 aren't scared of it. I still prefer fight an IS 6 than IS 3 Defender. Why flexing about it?

@outer spruce true, IS 3 got better armor especially when hulldown, better gun, and better speed.

[rain terrace]

oooo nice me too

[pallid arch]

What kind of filter do you have on that results in those 2 tanks?

and why is a hydro pinned

[rose path]

Two tanks money cant buy thats why lmao
@pallid arch Hence why Hydro is pinned lol, now to somehow hope for Keni Otsu

[lean kestrel]

Does anybody know if ratings battles actually begin this evening at 7 PM E.S.T. ?  Or Tuesday at 7 PM ...?

[sturdy needle]

I just usually go off of the timer on the gamemode screen.

[glass sable]

Nice man

[serene sentinel]

do we know what the camos for rating will look like

[rose path]

I swear this has preferential matchmaking and increased armour soft stats

[muted shuttle]

Look through this channel, I am pretty sure they are somewhere in here or check #game-news

[muted shuttle]

First battles only

[rose path]

Can you like, tell Ribble to keep it on for all battles 👉 👈

[dim trout]

it isnt the matchmaking. Its that people are afraid of your tank more then of your teammates. so they yolo them instead of you
also, weak flex having fearless. You cant say you are one of the 40 first people getting it on EU through ratings 👀 are you?

[rose path]

@dim trout That's why I pinned the Hydro 😂 , I was among top 100 the first time WG released it when Trapmelon, Gangsta and Comedy were clapping the top leaderboards

[pallid arch]

Still one of the (kenny?) rarest tanks, so it's a massive flex

[dim trout]

I was #51 in the first month and #22 in the second month :v
6,3k ratings in the first and second month

[rose path]

@dim trout Im just glad I dont have to sweat so much now, still gonna finnish my Ratings tool tho

[muted shuttle]

Having the tank is no longer flex, it has been over a year (or even more?) since you could have got the tank, all it takes is to get to 5k and get 10 parts. The tank means barely nothing in my opinion now.

[rose path]

Maybe add avatar to fearless owners idk, or give award to anyone who consistently stays in top 100

[muted shuttle]

Avatar would be pointless, I am actually curious for how long are WG going to keep this possibility of getting the tank. Even top 100 is nothing, some seasons there isn't even enough players, some users here are flexing with being in top 100 when they have 5k points 😄

[dim trout]

agreed. Unless you have proof that you are in the first lets say 100 people to get the fearless through ratings on EU. that would be quite a big flex in my opinion(which is the case for me lol)

@muted shuttle yes, but still. being able to say that your within the 100 first players on the European server to get the is6fearless through ratings is quite a flex. If you got fearless late then its not really a flex indeed

[muted shuttle]

It was the case for many actually but every season you see someone trying to flex with their IS6 when some have had it for a year 😂

[rose path]

@dim trout Wouldnt that be gatekeeping tho if ur just going to cap out on first come first serve first 100?

@muted shuttle Fair enough, something like that could work but imo MM would need cleaning up to do where it isnt a case of just spamming battles

[muted shuttle]

No, that would actually prove you are worthy of such a rare tank. Same as for the Kpfz heavy at tier 9. Only the first 1k players got it, you knew they must have been good enough.

Now you meet someone in their IS6 and you realize it could be someone who has spent a year or even more to get that thing. That misses the purpose in my opinion

[dim trout]

You remind me of the event and that i didnt get it because i did 0 dmg in Kv2 twice. Pain ;-;

Also yes there should be an avatar for the first 100 owners, but i guess WG is a bit too late with that :/. i do have the sceenshots incase you would be curious enough to see what the first and second month where like

[muted shuttle]

Kpfz? Me neither but got it from the mystery crates 😂

Am I included? @dim trout

I am not sure whether I have a proof but Blitzstars could maybe do the trick

[rose path]

I think it's safe to say trying to measure skill isnt exactly easy 😂 the same way an IQ score isnt defining

[regal cosmos]

So when people say im a genius by pointing to my 1IQ, theyre not really correct? :(

[median wagon]

WG swindled the top players who deserved to get the Kpf and camo, because not long later, they sold the camo

[muted shuttle]

Same as the E25

[graceful salmon]

@grave harness @rose path what tanks did u played in rating

[regal cosmos]

St Emil

[mellow aspen]

So just a thought but what if wargaming made new ranked tanks kinda like is-6 fearless .what about Amx Cdc Inferno or Amx 13 57 mischief. Just more tanks like that because not everyone wants another is-6 . Better yet how about charms for all premium tanks / collectors. So like 1 month it's type 59 and top players get the tank

[grave harness]

E50M, Proggeto 65 and Emil I

[graceful salmon]

Nice, I'm thinking to play type 62, t54e2 and is4 , but I'm not sure

[mellow aspen]

Hesling , T2020,k91/kpz,WZ 121

[rose path]

@graceful salmon To very honest just spam the tank you're most comfortable in

[muted shuttle]

What does it even matter what tanks others have played with? Just pick a random tank 👀

[rose path]

coughprenerf Emil1cough

[muted shuttle]

That was quite annoying

[hardy sinew]

waitaminute sheridan missile can play in rating battles?

[zinc ravine]

no

[hardy sinew]

oh

[lime sparrow]

why would it

[rose path]

@hardy sinew Actually thanks for reminding, literally first couple Fearless seasons was literally ATGM spam, prenerf Sheridan was beyond broke. 0-60 im about 5s meaning you stole early spots extra points plus the run and gun flank strat so no, I dont agree about that first 50 players owning one is 'true skill' knowing atgm and emil spam existed 🤨

[hardy sinew]

i meant sheridan missile not sheridan

[true ridge]

Calibration should be changed, there’s no skill in it because it’s just a bunch of bad players thinking they’ll get IS-6 Fearless. Rating calibration should be based off your previous ratings so your teams are in theory at the same skill level

[undone pulsar]

What’s the highest people have calibrated at for** THE CURRENT RATING SEASON**?

[lime sparrow]

2 losses (top score tho), 1 win (midscore) out of 10 available games so far, this ain't looking good for me 😩

[orchid river]

hi

😭 😭

[humble dove]

Why play kiddies??

[ornate spoke]

Is a new bonus code ?

[brisk ridge]

ratings chat went bruh mode

[muted shuttle]

No

[ornate spoke]

@undone pulsar

[brisk ridge]

hacks

[undone pulsar]

@ornate spoke what did you use and what was your calibration like?

[ornate spoke]

10 wins and 2,700 avg, and a tier 8 prem,

[dark valley]

hi guys

[stuck kernel]

Reveal that prem
Don't say Emil 1951

[ornate spoke]

negative

[cobalt schooner]

Prob a 252u

[stuck kernel]

reveal tank type at least 😇
252u does not have the DPM
My best guess is prolly Defender MK1

[cobalt schooner]

then its probably some med like the chimera or the prog 46 or yeah the mk1

[red crane]

MK1 or wz111g best T8 for rating

[ornate spoke]

not any of those

[stuck kernel]

I assume Chim's dpm is not enough as well, Prog has too little armor.
Prolly a hulldown HT maybe Shark, I would rule out AX

[worldly anvil]

shark is beyond overpowered
its in a category of its own

[dapper cobalt]

Shark? But i mean if i wasnt lazy i could just look up your profile on blitz and look at your battles for rating and find out but im to lazy for that xd

[ornate spoke]

nop

[warm charm]

its mizzy so he used ru 😎

[ornate spoke]

Im not reading that.

[dapper cobalt]

I did and i feel like i wasted my time ,_,

[ornate spoke]

Thank you for the zero input guys. Your posts are really meaningful.
I must be insane to question why this game always has to be a random number of players vs another random number with the remaining spots being filled up to 7 with targetpractice bots

[dapper cobalt]

The games job is to put players in matches
If it was always fair then that would be just as much of a problem, also not to mention the computer cannot determine how someone will play, ive seen 56% ers yolo and die with no dmg. Mm cant fix bad players or poor decisions in battle, thats on the players, not the game

[crimson turret]

Are you on about ternys @ornate spoke

[rose path]

Hey, lets put actual bots in calibration and see how that goes 😂
Ribble, invest in machine learning AI bots and see how well we all fare against them

[ornate spoke]

My problem isn't with the yolos, already used to. The donothings are worse, as I've already proved in detail (didn't you say you've read it?)
And I strongly disagree, balanced and equal teams lead to enjoyable games. If you disagree then you disagree with the whole competitive scene of every team game.
@ExtraBacon#3961 I'd actually prefer bots 😂

[dapper cobalt]

😂 id wanna see that XD
And @ornate spoke yes the game would be somewhat more enjoyable if everything was fair, but then it would be boring and the same, and at that point the winning side would still be based on who was on your team, that isn’t really something that can be balanced is what im saying, there will always be do nothings and yolos, that’s something that just needs to be accepted

[graceful salmon]

@ornate spoke how?

[regal cosmos]

$1 for 25 rating points. You start at 3k and you can buy upto 2000 points

[dapper cobalt]

Wh

[dreamy wind]

🙈

[safe obsidian]

Don’t forget they’d put that in boxes too, 1% chance to get 1 calibration point, 99% chance to get epic boosters

[regal cosmos]

But first buy this box crate that gives you a 2% chance to get the other crate

[ornate spoke]

Before calibration was only 3,3k point 🙂

[rose path]

First ranked battle of the year, think I'll skip this season 🙂

[pallid arch]

I played like a noob and calibrated at 3k. RIP me.

[stuck kernel]

I played anni, got bot teammates for like 8 matches
Lost 4 in a devastating manner, had to drag the team to victory the other 4.
remaining 2 had competent teammates
So yeah. Calibrated 3.5k.
Still undecided whether or not to push for Diamond

[sacred verge]

I calibrated at 2990 2 seasones ago and got to Diamond. The next one I try everything I got and get to 4500. Don't feel tempted to try this time

[distant venture]

Ribble stripe showed us how a rating battle performance is supposed to be.

[stuck kernel]

I feel like the fact that Asia players get less rewards is kind of a deterrent for players climbing highers once in diamond

[agile sphinx]

If Asia had the same rewards as somewhere like EU then there would probably be players with less than 5k rating getting fearless parts...

Sidenote: Definitely not me with with 3277 average at tier 9 and an 80% WR getting calibrated at 3.9k :'(

[muted shuttle]

What do you mean?

[delicate lodge]

Hello there. It’s been a while since I took part to rating battles and I did in December and today back again.
I would really be interested to know if WG (or a committed player!) ever said how much touch players are represented in the upper ranking, let’s say in the top 100, and if stats has ever been produced on this matter.

I am used to play random battles with touch players only and it’s quite insane how you can easily spot pc players especially playing light tanks where u get hit so often full speed by the magical auto aim. And I have a taste of not so fair tbh (sry if this starts a drama).

[regal cosmos]

I don’t think pc players will dominate at the top

[stuck kernel]

Nope, Last Last season there were like 300-400 players in diamond IIRC

[rose path]

In all fairness tho, props to anyone who even bothers to cap for anywhere in diamond considering it's like top 1% of the playerbase so if you can reach that no problem I think it's worth something

[agile sphinx]

@stuck kernel Then Asia is more active than I thought. Either way you can see from this pic (the one I replied to) that around half or more of the people above 5k are only ever so slightly over it, so you'd end up with the cut off point being in an extremely player-dense area so that's bad to start with. You'd also be making the fearless much much much easier to get which defeats the whole point of it, especially considering getting to 5k every season will get you the tank eventually it's not like you need an even easier way to get it.

[rose path]

There needs to be an avatar to those who've carried WG staff 😂

[cobalt schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/off-size-off-wacky-face-pouty-lips-gif-16675463

[tranquil grove]

I just like how some good players think they can ram other people while they shoot or block em or push em out.
I had to do 3 YOLO-Deaths because of that
Players like these do not deserve the win and I will happily continue that if they think Rating means anything to me

[true ridge]

Buff teams

[tranquil grove]

God the teams are fire right now
A T22 spamming help, you go help him.... he runs and lets you die and calls the team useless afterwards
Man sometimes people just have an audacity about them

[rose path]

wallet size: larger

[ornate spoke]

oh I was the t22

[floral dock]

Huh, mind you I got top of the team with 80 hp for most of the battle after their obj 140 bum rushed me. Thought teams in rating were supposed to be good

[steady fractal]

Only 8 points , big sad

[limber ermine]

How the heck do I lose 114 in a single game

[warm charm]

You gain/lose like 3x more in calibration

[native marten]

glad they found a way to balance the smasher in ratings omegalul

[small rune]

the_d1amond i will beat you in game play
And i will beat you in toxicity too
Stop crying!

[wind sequoia]

-11 with 4.5K ?

[small rune]

But 0 kills

[elfin burrow]

if you had atleast 2 kills with the damage, you may have gotten away with it.

[regal cosmos]

His team might’ve had the higher avg rating

[agile sphinx]

If you were sitting back farming then losing points is definitely expected

[muted shuttle]

Do people think something will change when their post their best battle of the day saying how bad the team was?

👀

[elfin burrow]

Who said anything about his team?(Except TacNayn)

[small rune]

No but as long it is totally random matchmaking i dont complain

[muted shuttle]

@elfin burrow What else is the purpose of the endless amount of random screenshots?

@small rune Not enough people play ratings to balance it in the first place

[small rune]

For ratings i don't mind at all,mostly decent players are on both teams,and it doesnt affect stats
I do my part of the battle maybe loose but i will make up for it next time

[muted shuttle]

Good job then, it is just a game after all)

[small rune]

Platooning makes biggest unbalance in teams

[safe obsidian]

Best F2P tanks at 8/10 for ratings?

[primal void]

I personally love the jagdtiger

[regal cosmos]

I like the MS1

[red igloo]

you earn/lose more in the lower down leauges

[elfin burrow]

Happened to me too

[rose path]

@red igloo huh, I remember you 👀

[red igloo]

?

[split pewter]

Maybe remove mines from rating battles? Or rework this map.

[feral fiber]

They should just remove mines from any high tier game

[zinc ravine]

Just keep it low tiers if they aren’t gonna change it

[marsh wharf]

Almost *sighh .-.

[split pewter]

@feral fiber @zinc ravine agree

[rose path]

If you grinded Fearless parts again, do you get gold or credit compensation?

[pallid arch]

2 mil credits

[oak ingot]

...

[small rune]

Remove mines from ratings!

[lime sparrow]

this is

[stuck kernel]

I meannnn

[tranquil grove]

Kolobanov in Rating in a glass cannon. Scorpion G is just one of my all time favourites :D. Like a Grille on T8 but better :))))

[turbid pond]

Same

[small rune]

Last time i tried ratings with su 130pm i got nuked while nobody was spoted
7 high explosive shells in the bush

[loud creek]

Wg if you see this plz fix the match making as many 40% ers just spam chat with abusive words and winning becomes like a real time job so the solution to tis maybe that u could make the match making like gold league with gold, platinum with platinum and diamond with diamond as it will reduce the chances of newer player ruining other players ratings and moreover this can also be done by winrate like 50% with 50%and 70 with 70 kindly don't ban me do this as I trusted you and rater than issuing a ticket I thought it will be better if we solve the issue here if anyone is facing the same problem. Make sure to put a thumbs up
Thanks nikpro32

[small rune]

Negative
It has to stay random
Why would you care about someones words

[loud creek]

@small rune you won't get to know until ur rating drops drastically

[hollow sierra]

as long as you do well on losses compared to your team you will keep gaining more points because of your wins

[tranquil grove]

Exactly, just don’t feed the trolls. When I won that 1v3 in my scorpion, first 3 players raged on me for what a noob etc. I am, but after I won they would say ez in chat.
Just ignore those „special“ people
It is not worth the anger, rather try to laugh about their stupidity

Also u can just disable the chat 😅

[agile sphinx]

One season I had about a 35-40% WR over 50 or so games in my E5, and still gained points overall. If you are losing large amounts of points, that is not the teams fault. Take responsibility for you own performance instead of blaming other people.

Heres a screenshot, I still ended up gaining about 30-40 points iirc

[small rune]

My ratings wont drop drastically unless i become horse
And if you get insulted by words then you arent any better than the person who insults you

Calibrating with 3950 points is easy

I am in top 15 and will maintain that unless i stop playing

[rose path]

Cant name who but one of the people in top3 last season averaged 47% in ratings but still broke the 6k mark 👀

Just spam battles all day

[small rune]

In ratings you do have lower winrate ofc

[agile sphinx]

Yeah but if you have less than 48% then you are not helping your team to win, and I'm guessing that was the overall season WR so including all the battles at lower ratings where you should have been winning much more, so his WR at the end of the season would have been a fair amount less than 47%. Ultimately if you are playing with a less than average WR you should not end up as the top players on the server, but with this system of battle spamming you can 🤷‍♀️

[small rune]

I calibrated very well and i get same players almost all time,but i dont complain about that,i have better practice

[worldly anvil]

when i got top 10 i had 37% in my sheri in ratings over 200 games
i had like 2k avg tho, and normally 2k avg would get you 55%+ in pubs
so its not only the player, because technically the higher your rating the worse your team is, in order to balance it out
at least thats how its supposed to work

[small rune]

I am getting yumiko,the d1amond was there
We were all top 10 and matched against each other then how to make good progress

[worldly anvil]

once you get a certain point you start being able to only be matched against other top players, or multiple top players
so the times you see other top few players, if you have the higher rating, you'll have the "worse" team
idk ratings is weird they need to rework it

[lime sparrow]

more people just neede to queue in

[native marten]

you literally did less than 1k in an extremely strong t8 lol even if your teams are the reason you lose clearly you played a pretty big part in the loss as well

[lime sparrow]

Idk who u talking to oh noo

[native marten]

epic dude did 300 damage in a shark but is the team's fault obviously lol

[marsh wharf]

Play tier 10, don't play tier 8 only

[keen moon]

zoma_changed#4528 has been warned.

[ornate spoke]

Nahh

[native marten]

@gleaming jay just blur out the names since it's considered naming and shaming (don't get mad at me i don't make the rules lol) but seriously man 800 damage in a tier 8 is uhhh kinda below average

[rain gulch]

are ratings working for you guys

[ornate spoke]

any idea what is happening rn
its taking 5 minutes in queue to get into one game

[gleaming jay]

@native marten i know but what can you do when your team gets steamrolled below first minute of battle

[native marten]

still 2k-3k, yeah the loss is inevitable sometimes but surely you can stay alive for at least a minute which is enough to put out that damage

[ornate spoke]

this is the oldest argument for skillbased mm in the book, and its mainly just used by people that arent really thinking about the consequences
it's really quite simple if all the 70%ers played each other in queue then they would all win about 50% of the time because they are all evenly matched against each other and then there would no longer be any 70%ers. 55-58% wr would be the highest achievable and therefore winrate would no longer be an accurate representation of skill.

rip

[glossy raptor]

Rookie numbers :)

[ornate spoke]

is it just wg servers being overloaded with mad games or something?

[gleaming jay]

@native marten i can assure you there was no way to do anything but i guess u know better so no sense to even argue

[floral dock]

pshh serves this guy right for playing a t22 medium in ratings

[ornate spoke]

rip

ive just been passed on leaderboards because its taking me 12 minutes to get into every single game

[stuck kernel]

And people want SBMM for regular battles

[floral dock]

Main problem with SBMM for rating is the very low player count, at least for NA. If it was implemented into regular, queue times most likely wouldn’t change too drastically, since there are much more people playing regular

[zinc ravine]

SBMM is probably not a good idea for regular battles because all you have to do is just look at other games that do have SBMM and you can see that the player base for those games don’t like it such as Black Ops Cold War

[velvet ginkgo]

And people want SBMM for regular battles
@stuck kernel lol, i hear from my fellow friend in asia that theres only 4k total players in asia and only 250 of them playing per day and u want WG to add SBMM to regular? Good luck waiting 30 minute or even 1 hour just to play a single match lmao

[lime sparrow]

He never said that he wanted it
he said that other people did
💀

[feral fiber]

I think asia has more than 4k players

[native jackal]

Yeah lmao, just a wild guess

[stuck kernel]

Lmao this is the most clown thin I heard all day
In the previous double season, iirc we reached a peak of 30K+ players who calibrated in ratings

[median wagon]

Finally someone who sees that SBMM ruins games like cod

[slender kindle]

If i fall of the platinum league will i get the camo at the end of the season?

[coarse stirrup]

No you wont, you have to stay in platinum

[zinc ravine]

And play 50 battles at a certain tier in order to get it camo

[ornate spoke]

i dont think there is any way around waiting the 15 minutes to get into a game

[opaque edge]

What skill exactly would SBMM be? What parameters from your portfolio would be calculated and with what percentage when compared to other player?

Is WoT MM SB or Random?

What is currently Rating battle MM is based on?

[copper mauve]

imagine wanting the IS-6F

@ornate spoke well it would if rating actually had more players

[ornate spoke]

ratings supposedly pairs players based on their rating, which it obviously doesnt because every single team ive had today has been trash, and the pubs mm is just random based on the tank strengths
also its a free premium tank for an f2p player

[native marten]

well it does pair players based on ratings, but first of all the ratings number itself only isn't the greatest interpretation of how a player performs in battle, and because of the lack of high-rating players, in order to make the average of your team around the same of the enemy team, if you have a high rating, lower rating players are put on your team and vice versa

[ornate spoke]

dude i literally just got 7-0ed for the 7TH time! do you know how frustrating it is to be told the mm is skillbased and then lose 90% of games

[copper mauve]

@ornate spoke yo what server you on

[ornate spoke]

NA @copper mauve

10/11 losses. i've taken almost an hour off from the game entirely and im now in 9th place, and all ive done today is lose about 90 points.

dude i actually dont know what to do, im now sittting at 4695 points, and ive played pretty much every single dam tank in my garage from tiers 7-10

[dry crater]

i mean i normally wait for the game mode to end before i start grinding/actively grinding ratings. Some of the good players play game modes during the middle of ratings because in GMs you dont actually need to try, nor do you lose rating points because of it. I know thats what i did when Gravity mode came out, and a fair few of good ratings players did.

[ornate spoke]

what are you even talking about, the only way for me to stay competitive in the leaderboard is to play ratings, of course i dont get points for playing gamemodes thats why the gamemodes arent called ratings. even in mad games today it took me 6 whole games to finally win a singular match in the is4, even though i was averaging 4.5k over those 6 games. and now i get screwed over by a ghost shell at the end of a 1v2 situation. i dont understand why this game hates me so much, is it because im not a paying player?

[sick leaf]

I wish normal battles were/are completely random

[floral dock]

Mm doesnt need to be SB, it just needs to have more requirements for team composition. Like a requirement for amount of meds and lights. (Lights+meds [team a] =lights+meds[team b].) Same should be true for the rest of the types of tanks.

[covert wind]

Surprise. They are in terms of player composition.(not tanks though)

[sick leaf]

@covert wind unfortunately your word is not good enough for me. I do hope they are tho

[covert wind]

If there would be Stat based MM atleast one guy would've figured it out. Several ppl tried to prove some form of MM rigging by WG but so far it has only shown some suspicion inconsistencies when it comes to fun modes. There are numerous threads on the Subreddir r/WorldofTanksBlitz to check out if u want. But let me tell u if there actually is stat based MM it's very subtle bc there are still allot of 50+% guys.

[sick leaf]

@covert wind doesn’t have to be based on stats. Could be based on how you did last game for example.

[rain terrace]

um, I've had 1 hour que before

[lucid dove]

There are players who break the rules in normal battles. /And there is a conspiracy between the players of both teams

[agile sphinx]

Yeah I often conspire with the random people I have never seen before, can't talk to without you seeing, and who I simply don't care about

[rose path]

You saying this was just suspicious anomalies in data???? I mean you could literally try do this study yourself with https://github.com/Jylpah/blitz-tools but feed it thousands of replays across several hundreds of players

CC: @pliant minnow

@covert wind Ah okay, fair enough
Or if WG would kindly give insights to what exactly they've been doing during their week long BlitzUP sessions 👀

[covert wind]

Hey Bacon I respect all your work ok. I just said suspicious anomalies bc unless WG tells us these are technically anomalies.
I need 100% conformation before I call it definitely Rigged MM.

[ornate spoke]

ive already lost 5/6 today, is wg ever going to give me a goddamn win. how many games do i need to play to actually get back to top 10 in this dumb game

[median wagon]

How many points you have

[ornate spoke]

now i have around 4610

[covert wind]

Foamfact
WG dosnt decide the outcome of the game.

[sick leaf]

My suspicion is that your performance in previous match affects matchmaking. For me, I sometimes get into losing streaks and once I’m able to manage a win then I start winning everything

[ornate spoke]

maybe for you, but when i win one i don't start winning everything, i keep losing. also @covert wind fun fact wg decides everything. including the outcome of the game.

[covert wind]

Damm imagine all the ppl working at computers 24/7 to monitor hundreds of games at the same time on multiple servers. Why even play the game when WG decides anyway and cant make a difference. U must be a depressed man in your reality.

[ornate spoke]

its pretty much a known fact that wg predicts the outcome of 90% of games. just look at the game outcomes, about 70% of my games are 0-7 or 7-0 and around 15% are 5 or 6-0 and visa versa, and the rest are the actually golden games which were close and decided by who made the best plays. so yeah, wg decides most games. and i play the game because i want the small percentage of satisfying victories or very close defeats

[covert wind]

Your wording is awful. The MM is random. And 70% of the time one side has the better/worse team. Its YOURE input that decides the last 30% of the games.why are there players with 70% winrate with your logic ?

[ornate spoke]

hello guys

i was talking about ratings mainly. And its because players with high wr can carry more games

[stuck kernel]

no, WR is a reflection of players with more skill

[zinc ravine]

Or shows how many times a player has been carried by better players

[lime sparrow]

It's moderately reflective but it won't neccesarily dictate the current performance

[warm charm]

wr is like the easiest thing to pad in the game, its basically worthless by itself unless its like under 50. And wg certainly doesnt decide the games, the players do, and if ur constantly getting steamrolled then it means that you're not making a big enough impact in the game, which means that you aren't as good as you think

[lime sparrow]

tldr
"get gud"

[agile sphinx]

And the award for best new member of the tinfoil hat community goesss toooo: YOU!!

[viscid ravine]

Hold up, ur saying even when u do 10k dmg in rating, and u still lose cuz ur whole team died in 2 mins and u try ur best to win, that means u don't make an enough impact on the game lol @warm charm hey silent btw

[tranquil grove]

my scorpion G with 39% wr 2k avg and still making 70 Points plus at 20 or so Battles

I think I reached the point where I can say, I am trying my best but the teams are letting me down big time

[frank widget]

i dont want to be the one to say this but 70 points for 20 battles is not that much, maybe the problem isnt in the teams after all

[tranquil grove]

Yeah but consider the winrate for those battles being 39%, that means I lost 14 Battles out of 23 Battles (I looked it up) and I still made plus in points. Which means I tried my best every battle but lost due to lack of good teammates, therefor the 39% wr but I still managed quite good avg dmg for that 2k and thus made 70 Points Plus

Which I think kinda shows, that the teams are really bad, as I did all my best to win, but couldnt win. Still making plus shows that I (most likely) aint the reason we lost

[winged sierra]

so i hit my 5k today 😛

[warm charm]

if ur doing 10k dmg then ur not getting 7-0d that game 😩

[ornate spoke]

lmao thank you, but maybe you aren't giving me enough credit. i've done testing of samples of my games and i find that im averaging 2.2k in tier 8 ratings, even though im literally winning 7% games. so @lime sparrow and @warm charm im not an exceptional player, there are thousands and thousands of unicums and super unicums in this game, but i'm not a statpadder, and yet i'm still getting steamrolled. there are so many games where i'm doing 4k and it doesn't matter because I still lose points somehow, and this is really what makes me want to just not play ratings again. it's when i see someone in a chimera that I don't own who has more points than me doing only 2.5k damage, and then going up 5-7 points in a loss. Every. Single. Game. And whenever I drive a medium like the progetto 46 and pantera, both of which i obtained for free, i lose 10 points for doing 3k damage. and when i win with 3k i make 15 points as opposed to the chimera driver's 20 or 25 🤦

also @agile sphinx im already a crazy, ive been asking wg for fv215b 183 defender with missile hesh rounds

[rose path]

@ornate spoke Testing with what tools and or metrics exactly? Because screenshots of battoe results isnt going to cut it 🤨

[ornate spoke]

@rose path excel spreadsheets which I can't access right now since I currently am on a phone, but if you want me to dm them to you i can do so.

[pallid arch]

What, did you ammowreck 3 mice in those 2 minutes or something?
That's basically a guaranteed win.

[native marten]

how the hell you doing 10k damage at the end of the game in a 1v7 lmaoooo

please tell me where I can learn the secret to doing that i need to raise average damage

[frank widget]

heres his secret: lie on discord

[agile sphinx]

If you have a 7% WR then that is partially down to bad luck with teams and a shockingly small sample size, and also down to you. If you want to gain points then stop sitting back and farming and play actively because the points are based off xp and your current rating. You are very obviously exaggerating almost everything, so maybe try coming back here with some actual facts before crying that "WG predicts the outcomes of 90% of games"

[ornate spoke]

not exaggerating everything, and yes, yesterday and friday i was unable to win more than 2 total ratings games across the two days. and if i had been useless in every game i wouldve been going down 20 points per game instead of 7-10. but going down 7-10 points per game adds up over 20 games

[native marten]

7% win rate with 2 wins is 2/29 battles won

impressive

[median wagon]

Bruh

[analog jay]

I kinda like rating

[regal cosmos]

You have to calibrate at 5k using the St Emil

[native marten]

Ok do it then

[pallid arch]

The st emil is better than most tier 7s for ratings. Its gun can actually do something, while most 7s suffer from garbage pen.

[brisk ridge]

cries in 145 type 62 pen

[last vine]

:u

[feral fiber]

Laughs in 250 heat pen

[agile sphinx]

At 4.6-5k rating if you are useless you go down about 10-15 points not 20 unless you go ago or something. Start learning to be useful, show some actual stats, and then find some proof before putting your completely baseless claims on this server otherwise you are just wasting people's time.

[ornate spoke]

lmao now you're going to attack my stats, i see how it is. my stats are perfectly fine, and I've offered to show you actual data of what I've been talking about. if you think i'm spewing total bs even though I've offered to show you statistics and if necessary I could gather even more data, so be it. But believe me, there are hundreds of people that play blitz that think the mm is heavily skewed. also, I'd like to know if you actually read my messages or you just think I have no clue what I'm saying. Because like I said I was 4.8k rated when I started losing 7-10 points per game, so I don't you actually read what I said. I was not being useless. I was losing an uncontrollable number of games with about a 7-10 point loss, not 10-15, every game. When other people did 2.5k in a loss, they would miraculously get 5 points, although it would take me 4k damage in order to make 5 points in a loss. I'm not sure if it's just that I don't have the right tank, but I tried my best to win games and pretty much was just getting 7-0'ed every single game. And unless I'm expected to carry 25 games in a row, I'm not going to be gaining points. So in short, start learning not to attack people just because you are too lazy to look at what they are saying, maybe get your eyes checked because you read the numbers wrong, and don't assume I'm being useless because I'm presenting a new idea. It'll be a miracle if you even read through to the end.

[muted shuttle]

@ornate spoke Could you remind me please of the new idea?

[ornate spoke]

@muted shuttle The "idea" is my belief that Ratings really aren't skill based enough and the mm doesn't strive to create good games. I think that in order to ensure ratings battles are actually games where players' decisions and rng decide the outcome of the game and not just the team with more emils wins, which was my experience in ratings before the emil was nerfed, ratings matching should take into account other statistics. I see a lot of people with ratings way higher than they should have. Not to be rude, but it's just what I see a lot. And I never really thought much about the mm until I lost like 24 games in a row, winning only 2. And I now realise I was a moron for continuing to play ratings after losing more than three in a row. But two days in a row, seriously? It's not fair to put someone who is averaging 2.5k in tier 8 ratings on a huge losing streak from which it will take hours of grinding to get back to top 5.

[agile sphinx]

I'm going to point out that you aren't doing anywhere near as well as you think you are because that invalidates your point, yes. You have offered and then provided absolutely nothing in the slightest, I'm still waiting to see a single scrap of evidence. There are thousands of people that still believe the Earth is flat and all sorts of other nonsense, and that doesn't make them right does it? Losing 7-10 points over all your games is almost exactly the same as losing 10-15 points per loss so maybe try thinking a bit harder about how you are playing yourself. Other people who gain points when losing will have lower ratings so it's easier to gain points, or will have been playing more effectively than you or likely a mix of both. I've explained this several times before and if you want me to explain again then I will, but 7-0s are more common in ratings, and human nature means we focus on the bad things that fit out point of view so until you have some state other than your baseless opinions I'm not really going to take what you are saying seriously. You haven't presented any new idea apart from complaining about your losses.

The current system isn't perfect. It could definitely do with being improved, but taking into account other stats is completely irrelevant. Almost anyone can reroll and get to 60%, and so that would likely give them a large advantage in your proposed system even when they don't deserve it in the slightest. The matchmaker does not put you on a loss streak. It matches you up with another team trying to get the average rating the same while loosely obeying the rules of which tanks should be in each team as per the normal mm. You are taking sensible points then trying to squash them into your complaints that you have lost a few games. Everyone loses games. Get over it.

[muted shuttle]

@ornate spoke Could you please suggest me a few of those "other statistics"? Thanks

[ornate spoke]

no one else was losing 20 games in a row. @muted shuttle the mm should take into account 30 day wn8 at the tier of the tank you are playing, average damage of the tank you are playing, as well as the rating of the player, and maybe it would be sensible to add winrate as a factor although pretty much everyone in the top 50 places right now are 60%ers in their 30day stats. It's just my opinion and I'm sure it will not be changed but I wanted to ask others if they were having the same trouble. And since you continue to insult me, I think it's best that I just shut up. My point of suggesting the mm be changed slightly wasn't so that you could attack me, I was just throwing an idea out based on my personal experiences in ratings. And though wg won't listen to it, it would be nice to see what ratings would look like with a different mm.

[normal garnet]

Uuuuhhhhh, I’m pretty sure WG doesn’t do WN8, etc, those are outside sources created by other players (I’m not sure, this is only what I’ve heard from other people so pls correct me if I’m wrong). Plus taking in 30 days would be extremely challenging and you’d most likely have longer que times to find players of similar skill level.

[glossy raptor]

Getting 300xp when losing doesnt really show that your so much better then the rest of your team

[pale ravine]

git gud lmao

[zinc ravine]

Majority of those games were probably your fault since if you were doing your job in those tanks then you wouldn’t be losing that many points and also the lack of experience and how many points you lose shows it

[worldly anvil]

250 base xp lmao

[muted shuttle]

@ornate spoke So you would be fine with half an hour waiting times then?

[ornate spoke]

@muted shuttle i would complain, ill admit, however if it would make that one game per 30 minutes not be an immediate 0-7 loss or even a 7-0 win which is completely unsatisfying, then yes I would be willing to wait.

[muted shuttle]

You would end up with everybody having 50WR, that means that the leagues would soon have little to no meaning. What would then be the point of playing? You would win 50 percent of your time and get small reward for that, people would just switch back to regular ones.

[median wagon]

No it would be even less than 50wr because draws exist

[agile sphinx]

And then it would be straight back to who can spam the most battles, which is what we should be trying to avoid in the first place.

Stats in random games should not influence rating at all, because they are two different ways of playing. In random games there are also many many more ways of padding your stats which makes the system even worse and even more exploitable.

The matchmaking system is alright at the moment, I'd like to see tighter restrictions on the ranges of ratings between teams but that's simply not possible with playerbase sizes. The main issue is the points system being too generous to people when they lose with high damage and when they win with low damage, which means that unless you are playing pretty badly you can't lose points in the long run

[ornate spoke]

wait howd u gradually go up in points? im comnfused it shows u losing points the whole time

[tough breach]

Time of day will affect ratings battle. For instance, I won’t play ratings weekends. Different type of player online. Too many less experienced. You won’t get a consistent game until you hit 3600 - 3700. Then you meet quality players. Which I particularly like because it improves my game.

[wind light]

@ornate spoke what u mean

[ornate spoke]

uh @wind light nvm im a retard. i read it from bottom to top

[next gull]

What ? someone has proposed real data and I was not aware of it ?
Or was it just a proposal ?

[agile sphinx]

Someone posted real data in #rating-battles , and other fictional situations you can dream about.

[ornate spoke]

everyone in ratings already have 50-55% wr, so making that change would guarantee that people at least have good close games rather than just getting 7-0ed and 7-0-ing their opponents. Why not create interesting and nailbiting games where you only win 50% anyway rather than just a guaranteed victory or defeat every game

the players performing the best would earn more points and increase in leagues much faster while players performing poorly would not @muted shuttle

[muted shuttle]

What would be the point of such game mode? How would you divide people into leagues?

[rose path]

Jesus christ, I thought I moan about Ratings a lot but not this much 😂 💀 🍿

[covert wind]

*doesn't get virtual points *
*thinks hes good *
HERES MY 10 PAGE ESSAY ON
"Rating bad"

[ornate spoke]

im not moaning about anything, I'm just making a suggestion.

@covert wind lmfao. i have to admit it is true

[copper mauve]

@ornate spoke when you go into rating MM, note down how many people there are in the MM

Then go into queue for randoms, and also note the number of people playing.

Most of the time rating mm will have a fraction of the amount of players of random mm. The rating mm attempts to match you up with similar ranked players, but due to the lack of them, it’s likely they have to find players who either have worse rating or way better rating

[ornate spoke]

makes sense

[sonic sedge]

It doesn’t make sense when you go into a calibrating battle, same amount of heavies either side but wait, they have a tier 10 td & to make up for no td on our ‘team’ we’re given a...light tank 😆

[muted shuttle]

It's not about the tank class, more about the players themselves

[copper mauve]

@sonic sedge refer to my above statement, but change players for tank type

[rugged pelican]

Dear WG, is possible do a better mm in ratings? At least you can ONLY find some guys that are "not good" and lost 3/4 in a row before a single win.
I think I think every single player get out of the game angry. And for me is the same situation. Hope you can listen me

[crimson goblet]

700 points in 1day, and people say its the teams fault,sure

[ornate spoke]

the only reason its so bad rn is cuz there isnt enough players

[rugged pelican]

@ornate spoke I know but why there are just 60,max 70 players in the queue?

[ornate spoke]

cuz its kinda pointless rn lmao

[floral dock]

Average MMR should be within 100 points max, I’ve seen MM make teams with over 400 point differences

Personally MM isn’t as big a problem as the premium/collector tank spam. I strongly stand that ALL premium and collector tanks should be banned from rating. Rating should be a test of skill not wallet size.

[zinc ravine]

So let’s say for instance there is a diamond player that is willing to go up higher in terms of points so he/she can keep their leaderboard but that person can’t because of some rule that only concludes of players within a 100 point range and because of that this player can no longer actually play because there are less then 14 players within that 100 point range and would make mm unbearably slow for most people
And have you even played ratings in diamond league because there is barley any skill involved and is only about who has more time then the other and mm is already long enough at around 2-5 minutes

[rain gulch]

I agree, I dont think MM is that much of an issue but im tired of seeing Action X, Obj252u and Chimera spams as well

[native marten]

I think the reason for the massive average rating difference is due to uncalibrated players; for some reason, you in fact do have a ratings number (first calibration battle you're at 3k) and it changes with each battle, but until you do 10 battles it won't show up on your profile. However, if you go on blitzstars after doing 1 calibration battle, you can actually see that you have a rating, it's just not shown on your in-game profile, so clearly even during calibration, you do have a rating, it's just not shown to everyone.

Since each person in fact does have a rating (even if it's not shown) I think it's safe to assume those uncalibrated players' ratings are taken into account for average rating on each team, but in the loading screen it doesn't show it (e.g. if one person on one team did all 10 battles and landed at 3.5k, and the other 6 people are still in the middle of calibration, the loading screen will say the average rating is 3.5k; however, the average rating of the team could vary a lot)

[floral dock]

It’s worse at tier 10, after WG sold the t22 for straight up gold it’s all you see

[true ridge]

Ratings is just slang for idiots with heavies

[rose path]

@crimson goblet 1k points in a day actually reasonably feasable if you calibrate low gold, if ur above decent you can avg 50 points per match but I have seen absolute sweats break Diamond literally hours

[frank widget]

mostly just depends on what tank you play

[crimson goblet]

yea and i played the stg, so you cant tell me i was team depended nor can you say i got carried

[opaque edge]

Would like to see Ratings (even if in beta) without Prems and Collectors 🙂

[floral fern]

Is it normal? First time playing RB for Diamond rank, but after reaching 4,6k points dropped to 4,3k... :((

[keen moon]

COUJOU_LOV3S_CHOCOL4T1N3#8191 has been warned.

[worldly anvil]

you want e5 is4 kran spam at t10? Or, tiger 2 spam at t8

[covert wind]

I'd much rather fight an overconfident T22 spammer then a half decent IS4 player.

[opaque edge]

Don't see why it would be bad since someone pointed out t10 being pay2win. And just to try, like even for couple days...

[worldly anvil]

p2w doesnt exist in this game
maybe there is a low level p2w, but otherwise skill matters way more
a 50% will stay a 50% even if he gets his mom's credit card to buy a t22

[rose path]

Im thinking of calibrating today but after seeing everyone moan even more about MM this season, I'm thinking twice 🧐

Wargaming, can you please tell us more about the SDLC during BlitzUP week 🙏
Pretty sure it just finished assuming Mad Games was a part of it

[next gull]

@rose path do it. I calibrated at 2.4k. It can not be worse.

[floral dock]

If you say p2w doesn’t exist your insane, There’s clearly premium/collector vehicles that are CONSIDERABLY better than their tech tree counter parts. Don’t think I need to list the tanks since it should be quite obvious which ones I’m talking about.

And personally I’d rather have e5, kran, is4 spam because at least then people are using tanks that anyone can get wether they spend money on the game or not. Then it comes to who plays the tank better not who has the better tank, hence making it skill based not wallet based.

[grave harness]

I don’t think teir 10 is a good example for “p2w”

[warm charm]

some low level p2w exists in t7 and t8, but even the most op tanks don't exactly break the game, there are plenty of counters to them and you can do perfectly fine without owning any of those tanks. There definitely no p2w in low tiers and in t9-10. Yes you could argue that a couple of prems are very good, like t22 and vk90, but they are no where near op. like adam said p2w doesnt really exist in the game, you could argue tanks like anni and smasher are op, but skill trumps anything in the game.

[floral dock]

Actually RNG trumps skill. Doesn’t matter how good you are or how much you aim. If RNG says no, well you ain’t hitting crap.

[native marten]

yeah dude obviously hisroyalfatness gets carried by his rng, not his skill. can't believe pramo and void just buy rng instead of getting skill literally smh my head. rgn only won because their team had better rng

[floral dock]

duhh, it’s clearly who ever prays to rngesus more. Need to pray the MM doesn’t screw you with uneven med/light counts

[true ridge]

Tier 8 is the p2w tier, there’s a lot of examples of premium better than tech tree, like AX and Caernarvon
Cent 1 and Cent 5
Things that make tech tree vehicles obsolete, now there are tanks like the Emil 1 and Tiger 2 but still, you can’t deny that unfair tanks do exist

[elfin burrow]

well I got my 252U for free so I am quite guilt free.

[ornate spoke]

yes, lorraine is such a beast @safe obsidian

[rose path]

What???????? RNG is literally a random integer on WG's end that dictates randomness. What should be answered is how exactly are they seeding that number, very similar to cryptographic key/cipher systems

[ornate spoke]

He is spot on. Good players take shots that minimize how RNG will affect them. They also pick their shells with that same thing in mind.

[rose path]

@ornate spoke I know what he meant but I was wondering about RNG itself at a technical level, I mean sure each shot you fire is a gamble and minimising an unfavourable outcome can help

I wanna know if clientside can affect RNG to their favour by tampering with seeding (if thats even possible on our end). Similar in cryptography where a seed can be factored in with cpu temp, mouse movements or anything really thats considered pseudorandom

[floral dock]

Yes so that’s why of the top 5 highest WR tanks at tier 10, 4 of them are collectors. And why in the top 32 highest WR for tier 8, 31 of them are premiums.
@warm charm

[zinc ravine]

You really can’t go anything by win rate because tanks such as the IS-6 Fearless are not OP but the players are great which give it its high win rate compared to the normal IS-6
So saying that the top win rates are 4 collector tanks meaning that they are OP doesn’t really make much sense

[warm charm]

That literally means nothing besides premiums are easier to play, and the fact that if you are better at the game you are probably older and be able to buy premiums, while those who can't buy premiums are usually worse at the game. There are many factors outside of how strong the tank is that can affect WR or any other stat, and in fact, even the best tanks aren't completely breaking the game at all.

[agile sphinx]

Premiums don't need crew grinding and often come with full equipment as well

[lime sparrow]

Only maxed crew/equipment tanks are allowed in ratings anyways. Some come with full equipment depending on bundle but not all.
If you lost, it's not because they had the "op premiums" that aren't even that broken to begin with, it's probably because you didn't contribute enough to your team
while you drove one of the most powerful tech tree t10s in the game 💀
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/489814888399765525/798696829679828992/unknown.png?width=867&height=609

[loud juniper]

Are you serious? How can you contribute to team when they all decides to suicide

[queen socket]

That rarely happens

I've had one ru251 yolo into water and drown. Not a whole team

[lime sparrow]

I've had suiciders. I still won 😎.
Maybe i'm just built different

[loud juniper]

Yea sure

[woven imp]

Well that's you. Come and join the Asia Server.

I think only tech tree tanks and tech tree premiums can enter rating battles. The rest of the premium and collector tank can't. Just like in the WoT PC where they baned OP reward tanks like the Obj 279 e from entering ranked battle. If they said that rating is intended to prove your skill then let them play the regular tech tree tank. What do you guys think about this idea???

[floral dock]

You don’t need max equipment, only crew

[lime sparrow]

modules*

[true ridge]

Ratings is not based on skill I swear, 2 games in a row some mega slow tank tries to flank like the absolute pea brain they are

This mode is so dumb because there’s so little you can do because of all the bad players who think they even have a sliver of hope of getting the IS, and they absolutely ruin the matchmaker

[queen socket]

Basically I could have no skill and win then? And it's all bad teams nothing about contributing more to the team. Or coordinating with the heavys to push a different way. Yes some matches you will contribute alot and still lose it happens, but most of the games just need to find a way to coordinate and win.

[true ridge]

There’s no way to win when the enemy team is coordinated and you’re down 1-2 tanks, I can’t pull that kind of win out of my rectum

[queen socket]

If your down tanks it's going to be harder to win. And if a team Is more "together" than the other with 2 tanks lost then yes the match will be much harder but not impossible.

[true ridge]

The amount of drooling 2 braincell kids on these teams is mind boggling, 2 people doing like 5 damage

Worst season for this so far

[lime sparrow]

that still sounds like its based off of skill
in this case, the lack of it

[true ridge]

It’s the kids that have no rating, the ones in calibration

[native marten]

okay but didn't you have to do calibration as well thus making you a drooling 2 braincell kid at some point as well

[true ridge]

But I don’t try to flank the enemy team in a T28 Prototype during calibration

[native marten]

okay? then it's not so much about whether they're in calibration or not and moreso about their skill level

[true ridge]

Yes but since they’re not calibrated they’re thrown into a match that’s out of their league

[loud juniper]

i think wg is missing a massive opportunity to make rating battles more competitive, they should ban the premium and collector tanks for the rating battles. And they can remove the armor highlighter in sniper mode for more competitive gameplay

[regal cosmos]

So if you are really good enough, it shouldnt be an issue to face potentially good players or bad players

[true ridge]

But it’s ratings, typically the teams supposedly work together more because it’s supposed to be rating based, but somedays it seems worse than pubs.

[native marten]

That works both ways. If some top player started calibrating, then you’d have a really good player with rating lower than how they perform. On the flip side, if some bad player miraculously has 3.5k rating (calibration starts at 3k; although the rating doesn’t show, your rating does change with each calibration match) while playing like a 2.5k rating player, then your team is in trouble

[true ridge]

Exactly, I think your base rating before calibration should be more lenient to your previous ratings so that there’s not so much of that awkward middle starting ground

[native marten]

I don’t play ratings often but yeah a soft reset sounds fine to me since the order will basically be more or less the same, the main issue is that battle spamming generally results in a positive gain in points so even then someone who wins 50% of their matches can just spam battles and still remain at the top after a soft reset

[agile sphinx]

@true ridge Are you expecting to be getting good teams when you are at 3k rating? Because errrr you shouldn't be...

[next gull]

Imo a soft reset would just shift slowly the average to higher values, but there is no reason that it would change the distribution. In 1 year time the rating reading of average players would be 6k instead of 2.8k. Top of leaderboard would read 10k... then what ?

[agile sphinx]

Actually it wouldn't really do much to the top because of the points system so there is a limit somewhere where even with good battles and high WR consistently you never go up, and so it would make everything even more battle spammy lol

[next gull]

You are right. Everyone would accumulate near 6.5k.
Good thing would be that it would be easier to find games for those at 6.5k...

[agile sphinx]

So therefore it's in everyones interest to change the system to be like that 😂

[lime sparrow]

I actually like the soft-reset

Yeah i still like it

[agile sphinx]

@lime sparrow Then read this

[warm charm]

There are plenty of other games out there with soft resets, and it works perfectly fine. Yes it will shift the average to higher values, but thats because the current hard reset makes everyone start at 3k. A good soft reset system would be able to reset players at a point where if they never improved and grinded to a certain point, then the reset would reset them back to where they first started after the reset. For example, if u started at 4k, and then you grinded your way to 5k, then you get reset back to 4k, and it repeats until you improve and maybe you reach 5.5k, and on the next reset you go to 4.2k or something. (just chose some arbitrary numbers)

[ornate spoke]

Maybe they should put rating battles for only tech tree tanks so that the people who fight aren’t wallet warriors or Pay 2 win people but have either actually grinded the tank or spent insane amounts of money to get there. Either ways the teams will be better and the MM will be even better. Imagine just using the Annihilator to get yourself a free IS6 while feasting on the tears of other tanks. I would rather put the Annihilator at tier 8 tbh.

[floral dock]

Rating battles should be with realistic game mode rules, no indicator when spotted, no armor highlights etc. along with all non-tech tree premiums being banned from entering battle. This would help weed out people who don’t know armor weak spots and spotting mechanics. (Ofc a limit on premium shells would have to be added so you don’t get nerds spamming only premium). Not allowing premiums/collectors that aren’t on the tech tree will weed out all of the premiums that are considerably better than tech tree equivalents. You say the fact that premiums have a higher WR means nothing but it does, why is it that they are higher than tech tanks? Because people are performing better in the premiums. What does it mean when people are performing better? The tank is better. You could argue skill but then if it was all skill the tank shouldn’t matter and there should be tech tree tanks in the top WR %s. Good players will perform better in a premium vehicle than a non-premium vehicle if the premium vehicle is better than the non-premium. Same thing goes for not as good players, they will also tend to perform better in tanks that are just statistically better.

[ornate spoke]

Ratings aren’t War thunder. Ratings are there for pie ole who have aced to play the current gaming system. And thus you cannot just change the system and have rating players learn a whole new system

[rose path]

What about rollout calibration for every player instead of voluntary? And migrate points to public mm altogether to go alongside our profile stats? Everyone moaning about bad teams but I think we've all forgot the main purpose of "Fight an equally-powerful opponent", idk

[agile sphinx]

Miss one season and you get screwed over, sweat one season and you get a much easier pass to high ratings next season. It just makes ratings exclusive and less accessable for people who cannot afford to grind constantly every month.

@floral dock Premiums will have naturally higher stats due to no stock grind, no crew grind, they often come with equipment and they are more exclusive, so just looking at WR on its own is not useful.

[vivid shore]

Why can't i check who's in top 30?

[floral dock]

Because no ones in the league yet?

[zinc ravine]

Servers are probably down

[midnight lark]

If you have constantly "not that good teams" you will get kinda salty ._.

[rose path]

Come think of it, "minimise rng input, maximise rng output" just sounds like a euphamism for aim, dispersion, angling and pen

[zinc ravine]

It’s a game with a age rating for 12 and over so there’s gonna be kids and plus there are still pretty good players that are at that age

[keen moon]

Crippled Celery#4171 has been warned.

[lime sparrow]

Wish I could say the same about their personalities

[rose path]

You only need to open training rooms to be reminded of the PEGI rating 😂

[lime sparrow]

ey
Wolf Mating RP Training Rooms are to be respected. Just go to A side like the girl wolf ur supposed to be smh 😠

[rose path]

You seem to be an expert about these rooms, you wanna tell us something? 👀

[lament orbit]

I have problem . I cant look on leaderboard in rating . u delete it ?

[lime sparrow]

nawwwwwww 💀