10 depression meds can fight fine on the C cap hill.
#maps-discussion
opaque trout
ocean ravine
Yeah but how many meds are like that. The Patton and the stb
opaque trout
just go to the far upper area then ¯_(ツ)_/¯
ocean ravine
Ik it’s workable, just wished the map was easier to use. Like they could have made it more comfortable
opaque trout
It’s definitely not a friendly map
ocean ravine
Same with the heavy side, there isn’t really a perfect sidescraping spot or a hull down spot. You can go down the ditch but you aren’t invulnerable. Other maps have it much easier to use cover
shell owl
OK A new map
limber arrow
@river canopy I actually enjoy those incredibly slow battles. I get why a lot if people don’t, but it’s a 1v1 battle of minds between the two captains, and you really get to know who’s better.
spring wigeon
Hellas is enjoyable for me I can make any tank type work it’s pretty flexible especially for heavies
You can basically go anywhere on that map in a heavy and do decently well
hazy beacon
Hells is very team depending map , if your meds /lights doesn’t go to right side you will lose the game for sure
river canopy
@limber arrow You really don’t though. Most of the time, the team that gets the caps first wins, because counterpushing Canal is basically impossible unless there’s a massive skill difference between 2 teams. And in my experience, there tends to be a lot of upsets where the worse team beats a clearly better team simply because the winner on Canal is whoever gets the caps first
There’s no rotations or strategy. Basically one side will just sit and camp because they have cap advantage, and the other side waits for the caps to reach 800, then try to last minute reset the cap or kill someone
limber arrow
I personally get a ton of enjoyment out of the incredibly tense minute and a half or so you have to plan out that last-second move, although I definitely understand why people don’t like it
river canopy
As an actual caller, there’s 0 fun in an RNG crapfest of a map
limber arrow
As an actual caller, I enjoy the map
opaque trout
I dislike Canal as a caller, I love it in pubs tho.
grizzled mango
@river canopy what is your favorite map for tournies
river canopy
@grizzled mango A favorite is hard to pick out, but I do like Black Goldville, Alpenstadt, and Faust. I also liked Himmelsdorf when it was in the rotation
restive pawn
I agree with @river canopy on how canal is terrible for comp. nobody likes sitting for 5 minutes just to do a last minute push that the enemy team has known you will do since the game started
compact cobalt
I always have a good time on faust
woven nymph
I love himmelsdorf, its so much fun, especially if you win the heavy side
gray gustBOT
Senko#6491 has been warned.
hard cove
Let's all agree that prison map is the best :)
queen gazelle
How about Swenden map?
prime sleet
For the 37492748th time Mines is a garbage map please remove 🙏
hazy beacon
For the 2849349599th time remove dynasty pearl map from higher tiers
pure rover
Yeah it is a little small. It'd be nice to see it limited to tier 7 and under - just like Mirage
ocean ravine
I hate dynasty pearl. It’s such a mess so many tanks in one little area
livid stump
Mines is worse
At least on dynasty pearl you have solid cover and actual routes to take
hazy beacon
We need mines rework and yeet the dynasty out of the higher tiers and add another map
prime sleet
Mines is just a terrible map that needs to be yeeted from the entire game
limber arrow
That sentence creates a very strange mental image
pure rover
Yeah I would like to see mines relegated to at least tier 6 and under. We don't need it at mid-high tiers
modest anvil
You’re all really having a problem with Mines?
thorn wyvern
Tbh I don’t hate mines, actually enjoy it way more than maps like yamato harbor or hellas...
hazy beacon
Dynasty pearl should be deleted from the game
spring wigeon
Nobody is having trouble with mines the problem is it’s a garbage map. The only gameplay is on the hill and ridge line. Anything else results in even more stagnant gameplay Bc you can get destroyed by the enemy tds b4 you can even spot them
quaint bay
Bring back old mines. it was much more fun
Ofc mines now is still a very good map for hulldown tanks
thorn wyvern
Nobody is having trouble with mines the problem is it’s a garbage map. The only gameplay is on the hill and ridge line. Anything else results in even more stagnant gameplay Bc you can get destroyed by the enemy tds b4 you can even spot them
@spring wigeon I actually dont have that much problems flanking around on both sides, just gotta know where you’re driving and if you’re spotted or not..
lethal socket
Make bigger maps !?
spring wigeon
@thorn wyvern if the enemy tds have a brain you will be punished hard. If you manage to slip through it’s all too ez for a couple of the other tanks on the team to pull back from ridge and surround you
thorn wyvern
Because they wont get shot by your tds? It all depends on when you push where, I’ve never had problems with the tds on mines. Sure you might get hit by em but remember that they get spotted when shooting and then immediately get nuked too? > @thorn wyvern if the enemy tds have a brain you will be punished hard. If you manage to slip through it’s all too ez for a couple of the other tanks on the team to pull back from ridge and surround you
@spring wigeon
spring wigeon
There’s cover on both sides of the map where tds can hide and reset camo
quaint bay
The glitch spots on the maps were removed, big oof
compact cobalt
I only have an issue with mines when it’s tier ten and 3 TD mm. Its obnoxious gameplay
spring wigeon
So basically all the time
astral frigate
t34 or m6a2e1 EXP
icy juniper
34 #vehicles-discussion tho
prime sleet
@thorn wyvern wdym “flanking”? If you “flank” to island you have literally ZERO shots on the tanks in mid unless they overpoke hill or you expose yourself to their TDs that are 100% going to be camping the back bushes. If you go encounter cap side it’s the same thing, have fun getting stared at for 7 minutes by more camping TDs. The ONLY way going either side works is if MM blesses you and there are no TDs and it’s just a town brawl with a bunch of heavies. Which leaves 1 more option: going mid. Again, you have to hope MM blesses you with light tanks that have more than 2 braincells who actually contest hill to even have a chance of winning.
thorn wyvern
@thorn wyvern wdym “flanking”? If you “flank” to island you have literally ZERO shots on the tanks in mid unless they overpoke hill or you expose yourself to their TDs that are 100% going to be camping the back bushes. If you go encounter cap side it’s the same thing, have fun getting stared at for 7 minutes by more camping TDs. The ONLY way going either side works is if MM blesses you and there are no TDs and it’s just a town brawl with a bunch of heavies
@prime sleet still dont agree, the td spots arent hidden as well as you guys are implying. I often turn to the island on the left side if I dont have a hull down tank for the middle or a sidescraping heavy for the right. Then you can either push in to get some shots in their rear or wait for them to overpeak (as said). Pushing their side can actually work too. If people contesting for the mid get shot from their rear outta nowhere they gotta turn. Guess who can then have shots in? Your teammates contesting for the hill. The TD spots arent as OP as implied, a shot fired spots the td immediately. Have any good reaction time and get the shot in. Then from the island the tds can be flanked. This map is all about the crossfires you establish. If you only send your tds to camp at the back and everyone to go mid it’ll just be some boring holding game
prime sleet
So what you’re saying is you rely on getting lucky with teammates and enemy positions 👍
thorn wyvern
So what you’re saying is you rely on getting lucky with teammates and enemy positions 👍
@prime sleet nope, saying nail down the tds if they annoy you that much and place tanks in positions so that they cant fire all the time without the risk of getting nuked
compact cobalt
I think it’s less about how hidden the TDs are but more about how sitting at the back allows them to have a view on all 3 lanes - It can cause stagnation in the game, mainly at high tiers because people will be too scared to establish a flank or move as most high tier tank destroyers are packing significant alpha.
However, it is not uncommon to see a good flank via the island or town. It really does depend on your timing, and some coordination.
I believe that the TD spots at the back seem more of an issue than it is because your average teammate is a potato. Chances are your light or medium drivers will die immediately going up hill, or they sit in mid with the heavies and completely ignore trying to establish any sort of flank. Not to mention your average heavy tank driver sitting at the back, or dying because they sit in the open on mid.
Flushing out dug-in TDs at the back does require coordination from your teammates as without it, the TDs will likely deal with you if you try to make the play and your teammates don’t do anything to support.
Unfortunately, asking for coordination from the average player is too much, which is why in random battles it’s likely that the last few tanks will most certainly be the TDs at the back as they could keep resetting camo because people are too scared to make a play against them until end game when the map opens up more.
As a result, gameplay can slow down considerably compared to other maps, and can be quite boring for people, which is why people generally dislike mines.
Thats just my take on it.
amber plume
the maps that really need to be reworked are Port bay and Castilla. Port bay because if meds don't win the corner, you are going to lose almost every sinlge time. Castilla needs to be reworked because the map is so asymmetrical that it makes the entire map shit.
wild stirrup
Anyone run into weird spotting patterns at the B spot on Canyons before? I spent 15 secs with this 49 never IDing me. User has 18k battles so crew explanations seem unlikely.
thorn wyvern
the maps that really need to be reworked are Port bay and Castilla. Port bay because if meds don't win the corner, you are going to lose almost every sinlge time. Castilla needs to be reworked because the map is so asymmetrical that it makes the entire map shit.
@amber plume totally agreed
heavy dagger
Hola
narrow vector
I never camp with TDs in the back in mines on high tier, I find it much more fun and useful when Im active on the front
slate elk
can we get some faust hate up in here, like wtf is that pile of garbage
that said i love the maps in general, very fun, really cool layouts
narrow vector
Faust is the map I have the most intense and fun battles for me
potent goblet
Faust looks pretty cool. Could easily imagine it being in another fps shooter game (like halo or cod). Aside from that I'm kinda neutral on it.
slate elk
it seems more like a halo map yah
also Castilla doesn't need re-working because its assymetrical, why can't it be? thats part of the fun and charm
Faust looks pretty cool. Could easily imagine it being in another fps shooter game (like halo or cod). Aside from that I'm kinda neutral on it.
@potent goblet implying that this is an fps....
potent goblet
Half implying. Technically it can be if you count sniper mode but eh, I didn't think it was too important for what i was trying to say.
spring wigeon
Frontline grille on mines haha yes
woeful leaf
Castilla is the one original map they haven’t changed. It’s also one of the best maps. If you don’t like it you clearly don’t know all the spots you can work with on the map. If you’re going to rework a map rework port bay b/c the team with the most competent mediums wins 90% of the time
nocturne mortar
Lmao Castilla is awful literally all of it is dominated by camping TDs that don't have to more more than 20m. Want to push meds side? Sorry you can't expose over the top, can't push to far round the bottom, you just gotta wait. Want to push heavy side? Hahahaha nice joke. Want to push mid? Still covered by TDs and crossfire from everywhere. It's literally impossible to be agressive until all the reds or all the greens are gone.
Port bay may be very one sided but at least it isn't dominated by unskilled campers and being agressive is rewarded.
woeful leaf
Castilla is fine. You can push med side an create a Crossfire from the middle. TDS only have a shot if you’re not smart and go into their shooting lanes. Heavy hill is decent but not where I usually go, although there is cover there
nocturne mortar
The shooting lanes are everywhere. Can't push up on meds side unless you go round the edge and then you are in a very weak position. Can't push down on meds side because TDs cover it too. Heavies side is impossible to push unless the reds have no campers which is never going to happen. You can sit there and do nothing, just like on meds side but that's just terrible map design.
narrow vector
Castilla isn't that hard to push on either side as long as your team is somewhat competent
nocturne mortar
And how often do you see a team where more than 1 person is competent and willing to take hits...?
The meds side is certainly easier to push, but it is one sided and still very hard. The heavies side is fine if you have at least 2 tank advantage and all of them are willing to push, but again that isn't exactly common
thorn wyvern
Hella’s is top tier bs for tours. Hate it. There’s way to much crossfire lines to be able to do anything on the heavy side, med cap is too far away from the heavy caps to be able to be of any use. Out of all the tournament maps there are we always get on hellas and get rekt the 3rd tour of the tournament. Maybe actually put maps in people like
versed relic
how many ppl agrees that hellas is a hell of a horrible map for tournaments?
halcyon wren
the only thing it’s good for is being a poorly designed map, like there is only one actual good spotting position
versed relic
yeah you get an almost view on the whole map on one spot, also like the outer mediums side very few people go there, but i don't want to digress
halcyon wren
it’s great in a speedy light tank/medium, grants you massive vision to all the map, but I see like no one use it except myself
versed relic
among all the battles i've did there and saw there (tournamet and training, so 7 players with strategy and communications), I noticed how the strategies are not as complex as how a team would play canal or vineyards, and whoever tries to be more strategical or defensive mostly end up losing, probably the map is the best in class for a "blitz" brawling battles, but i really don't think it would fit well in professional tournaments
halcyon wren
it’s so open, and the ruins offer nearly no cover except from the small trench under the bridge thingy
versed relic
yeah also that, the map is extremely small and crossfire can come from anydirection, the "isolated" areas can be summed up in the underpassage and spawn hill that divides heavy side from med side
woeful leaf
Good farm map, awful comp map
keen hare
castilla was changed, they removed the corner hill climb
versed relic
they removed a lot of locations... the motivation is because you can get there in fun game modes...
weak sleet
In Castilla, only Med's Shot Lanes are everywhere. Behind Heavy hill, Enemy Td's can't shot you, but the meds can. If your team don't win on Med's side... You have a very little chance to win. That's why I love this map. There's challenge.
weak sleet
Finally someone who shares my opinion on this map !
opaque trout
I enjoy Castilla a lot when its a good vs good team since its intricate, but it can be one of the most frustrating maps in the entire game with a bad team.
woeful leaf
It’s a unique map. Too many maps have the small town and low rolling ridges
pure rover
I definitely think Middleburg should be reworked. Maybe make the overall hill height lessened so it's easier for slower tanks to get up to hill? Also rework some of the cover so that ATGMs cant just dominate from behind cover.
woeful leaf
Or remove ATGMs
quaint bay
You rarely get profficent missile users now
pure rover
missiles have been rendered useless for me now, they're just annoying when you can't see the tank on the map and you get hit randomly. In the case of Middleburg, the hill is full of cover that hides the missile shooter but doesn't hide the target well enough.
woeful leaf
Missiles aren’t that hard
quaint bay
Please WG put Mines back to tiers 5/6 and below. At tiers 7 and up it sucks. TDs tend to camp and why shouldn’t they? But if their team gets overrun on the hill they are screwed. The map is so bland and leads to more one sided matches than any other map most of the time.
fading pendant
I would have to agree
it is so boring when the high view range tanks can just spot everyone(Vickers Light)
wooden quartz
It means this light made a good job
pure rover
Yeah Mines definitely needs a tier limit
quaint bay
Fort Despair almost does too or at least needs a major rework. It’s pretty predictable and just not a fun map to be on. Especially in higher tiers.
sonic basalt
maiden path
river canopy
Proving grounds is the tutorial map. And it's so small that tier X tanks would spot each other the second they spawn in, and other than a pillbox in the middle, there's no cover whatsoever
prime sleet
Daily reminder that mines is a negative IQ map and it should be yoinked from the rotation goodnight
narrow vector
I actually like mines at high tier
quaint bay
Mines sucks. So does Fort Despair. Also I still detest New Bay at times. Oh and Martin Dogger claims Dead Rail is broken.
hazy beacon
dead rail is nice map, fort despair doesnt suck but mines needs rework
prime sleet
@narrow vector say sike rn
quaint bay
@hazy beacon Eh Fort Despair does suck to a degree. People tend to camp in the bushes or you get into a brawl fest in the tight area. Anybody who pushes up to cap if they don’t spot anything super early tends to get hammered. It’s not a fun map. Also I didn’t say I hated Dead Rail or anything like that but said that Martin Dogger said it was broken. Mines though needs to be way different than PC Mines.
hazy beacon
many players tend to fight in that campy side of the map, i never do that i just lurk in center near to castle and the map is perfectly balanced
plush dragon
I dislike alphenstrat. The spawns are so imbalanced on the medium flank.
restive pawn
Lost temple and mirage had better gameplay at high tiers than mines
hazy beacon
Lost temple should be replaced by dynasts pearl
amber plume
lost temple wasn't that bad at high tiers. Mirage however was always played like this: one or two meds rush the bush on their side situated next to the cap, spot all of the heavies. Then meds would just have one giant stalemate, and the only hope was for heavies to win their side and win the elevated bushy area
spring wigeon
Idk if I’d say I would want lost temple at higher tiers but it would definitely better than mines
hazy beacon
lost temple is better than mines for sure, mirage is just whack for higher tiers, dynasty needs to be yeeted out of the game
quaint bay
Honestly one could argue all the older maps (especially the really old ones) could use complete overhauls or get removed from the game. New Bay isn’t among the old ones realistically but it needs an overhaul too imo.
narrow vector
New bay is fun to play
placid umbra
Has there ever been an option (I am new to WoTB) in the past where the player could choose which map they played on?
amber plume
no, there isn't
quaint bay
Man I'd play Normandy and Vineyards 24/7
opaque trout
same
quaint bay
@narrow vector I disagree. Though I guess it is better now though it sure took a long time to figure out for a lot of players. I still don’t like it though. I’d remove it from my roster if I could.
worldly aurora
Fort Despair I don't mind, it's surprisingly complex considering the size.
Mines plays like a flowchart.
New bay has so much wasted space, also the spawns are not exactly balanced.
magic cliff
quaint bay
We all like maps with ambush ability’s ,heavy tanks need corridors to be effective, TD,s need open spaces and some cover light tanks needs spotting bushes and space to move , mediums filled the gap between light and heavy and does both jobs a bit less effective than the light and heavy , a good map for light tanks and TD,s has a lot of open space to flank and a lot of vegetation to hide , maby it’s possible to make Siegfried line map fit in blitz .
Or Ardennes to recreate the heavy battle of WWII with nature as cover
It takes an other skill set to play more diverse is more challenging
stiff smelt
@hazy beacon dynasty's Pearl one hundred percent needs to leave the game. It's a garbage map.
modest anvil
I don’t see anything wrong with Dynasty, if any map needs to leave it’s Mines
opaque trout
Dynasty's pearl is very bland and it absolutely sucks to be playing paper tanks on that map (FV4005, Grille etc)
modest anvil
Not every map has to cater to every type of tank though
stiff smelt
Bet right now. Dynasty's Pearl is also way too small
opaque trout
Id rather play a paper TD on Fort Despair than dynasty.
true latch
Am I the only one who thinks like this new map feels more like a pc map than a blitz one? (Not a bad thing btw)
spring wigeon
Have you played the new map?
cinder loom
Yes. The new map. Any pics on it?
icy juniper
There is a news article in game as well as a twitter post
versed condor
Am I the only one who thinks like this new map feels more like a pc map than a blitz one? (Not a bad thing btw)
@true latch feelings can be missleading 😉
sullen gorge
No
river canopy
Ok, I'm starting to get kinda sick of Castilla
It's at the point where it's not fun for any tank class anymore. As a TD, you can only sit in the obvious spots that everyone knows how to avoid now
As a med, you have little choice but to contest the castle, and then you have to play passive and wait for the enemy to make mistakes first (or your teammates), which is super boring
And as a heavy, it takes you like a full minute before you can even get into a spot to even do anything, and then you're forced to play passive because of the TDs
It's just getting real slow, and real obnoxious to play
hazy beacon
it is very team dependent map
pure rover
Typically on Castilla, you need meds to take the church hill and heavies to take the windmill hill so you can create a crossfire. TDs are kinda just at the mercy of the team's decisions
If I'm in a particularly fast heavy that has a good turret, I'll often rush into an aggressive spot if I get the right spawn
steel ridge
@pure rover oof i regularly did that when i used the amx heavies, real good spot to use
pure rover
You can get there in a lot of tanks. I do it in my Chieftain Mk6 all the time and I basically light up the entire enemy team
timber island
i extremely really hate canyon
That map is too dependent on the hill. Mostly u got the hill, u win, 98% it is. U can shot every one at the hill, just pick a tank have good mantlet like the vickers cr, ask your team to go around the line and use their armor to help u. The road to A cap has no hard obstacle, no slope hole for u to hide out those nasty tanks at the hill. The A cap don't have much obstacle. Those house just actually useless cuz their direction isn't help people at A cap and incoming tanks from the road can easily shot u too. The C cap such, bad, lack of some slightly slope
median needle
i extremely really hate canyon
That map is too dependent on the hill. Mostly u got the hill, u win, 98% it is. U can shot every one at the hill, just pick a tank have good mantlet like the vickers cr, ask your team to go around the line and use their armor to help u. The road to A cap has no hard obstacle, no slope hole for u to hide out those nasty tanks at the hill. The A cap don't have much obstacle. Those house just actually useless cuz their direction isn't help people at A cap and incoming tanks from the road can easily shot u too. The C cap such, bad, lack of some slightly slope
@timber island Me too hate this map...
steel ridge
Normally C and B is the go to site, i consider A as a flanking route. I see it a bit similiar to mines where one spot decides most of the outcome of the match that it renders other spot not as vital to go to
tame mantle
Am i the only one that dislikes hellas?
nocturne mortar
Nope lots of people do, it's too campy for me and it rewards staying back too much with all the bushes and exposed spots you have to push through.
tame mantle
Yeah i can agree with that.
spring wigeon
I seem to be one of the few people that likes hellas from what Ive seen lol
opaque trout
I love hellas Med side pubs, I hate Hellas in tournaments.
upper stratus
Hellas is great, no 1 meta fits it all kind of map which makes it more unpredictable. Also camping like a bot gets punished on the map which is also great
nocturne mortar
Camping really doesn't get punished on hellas lol there's bushes and cover everywhere it's literally a campers paradise
upper stratus
@nocturne mortar its easy to punish camping, sitting in a corner wont get you far on that map... compare with dead real or canal and you know what i mean. I never get rekt by tds on hellas because i rek them
nocturne mortar
You can't punish what can outspot and cover every agressive position you can take
upper stratus
Well its by no means a map ruled by TDs. The maps I mentioned earlier as well as castilla are much worse in that regard
nocturne mortar
It's not ruled by TDs, it's ruled by campers.
upper stratus
Well I guess I dont feel that way, never have issues punishing campers on that map. Much harder on a plethora of other maps
spring wigeon
Yeah tbh I never get the feeling of being stuck in one area bc of camping there’s a decent amount of routes to take and flanking you can do
nocturne mortar
Spots a long way from the battle are the best spots to take for most players, so the games almost always consist of heavies and meds camping which is awful
opaque trout
I play aggressively on Hellas, I find camping detrimental as I find the best spots to be near the middle.
nocturne mortar
Camping is always detrimental, the agressive positions in the middle require watching several directions which is way too difficult for most people and so they go further back at the obvious camping spots looking meds side near the middle and the edge, or on the camping spots on the heavy side
placid umbra
Has there ever been an option to select the maps we can play?
cerulean flume
Airfield Map please
placid umbra
Map editor - something that we as players could design, upload and play with others.
native finch
@placid umbra so you want to assist people in cheating in the game?
placid umbra
How? It would be part of the game .... please explain
native finch
there are tools in use right now that edit maps
and trust me people arnt using it as you think they would
because oh god were the tools so abused WG made it private
few months ago it was possible to edit maps and create your own
WG took a hammer down on the cheaters so they removed the tools
placid umbra
New to the game - so that is news to me. Shame, some spoil a good thing.
versed condor
There could be more variety with the maps. 4 skrimish map from the same map is too much.
gray gustBOT
You are talking with an Idiot#4987 has been warned.
viral axle
hmm
quaint bay
What if a map full of landmines ? It'll be a challenge to avoid them
spring wigeon
And pointless
void shale
And annoying
compact cobalt
Asking the average player to avoid landmines is too much
modest anvil
^^^
potent goblet
Asking the average player to do anything is too much.
opaque trout
The average player can barely position to shoot enemies, you think they can deal with landmines? definitely not going to happen lol.
fleet vale
I always love when they come out with a new map, because it seems to take advantages away from players that if it was any other map they've played a million times over..
Everyone is back on an equal footing on a new map.
wanton kernel
Everything goes back to normal tho after a week... People find power positions, youtubers make map strat vids, etc. @fleet vale
blazing moth
the new map is nice
river canopy
@fleet vale Not really. For a lot of actually good players, they have more of an advantage because they’re generally a lot more flexible, so even in an unfamiliar map they’ll be able to use the map to their advantage without actually knowing it. It’s the 52-55% players that are at the greatest disadvantage because they rely the most on pre-planned positions that they like
opaque trout
^
rugged cypress
Plus, we often get early looks at these maps through CT or other means
If anything its less fair 😬
narrow vector
Wrong channel rip
quaint bay
how do they edit the maps to abuse them? remove obstacles?
Everything is done server side so its not as if they can shoot thru walls
stiff smelt
@maiden spoke the cap on mines used to be oh the hill way back when the old mines map was in use. They reworked the map completely and moved the cap. I like how it's off to the side.
maiden spoke
Idk
shut hamlet
so you know the approximate normandy? there is a spot on it where there is a shield with a bit of space and it is SOOO op if you get there
it is really good
opaque trout
"shield with a bit of space" that is a rather vague description.
halcyon wren
yeah, give us an SC of it at least
quaint bay
First game on yukon
eager tide
English only please
halcyon wren
@quaint bay no bad words now
full forge
Anyone know if Yukon is bigger than the other maps, it feels big but I think that might just be clever design so you don’t have the long lines of sight you do on other maps and the dips & rises making it just feel a lot bigger
quaint bay
Yes@halcyon wren
mighty niche
Yo idk if it my phone or not but on the Hellas map(Greek map) if you go on a border line on the map and maybe carefully the color of the map glitches and may give you epilepsy (the people who attend to look at this I’m telling you epilepsy warning)
void shale
Hellas is looking so much better now
modest anvil
Lookin fresh
ocean ravine
Wdym that’s how it always looked for me. You saying it used to look different?
native salmon
Looks like a disco party 😂
void shoal
Oi
halcyon wren
this mans gon be banned
modest anvil
Fr tho
cyan sequoia
🤷♂️
slow vine
I’m wondering how he hasn’t been banned yet with such messages and avatar
stray oasis
What maps have tier limit ? What what tiers are the limit ?
compact cobalt
Off the top of my head I believe
Mines and Fort despair have no tier limits
Copperfield is Tiers 1 - 7
Yukon is Tiers 4 - 10
Hellas is Tiers 5 (?) - 10
New Bay is Tiers 7 - 10
I believe Normandy starts from Tier 5 or 6 up to 10
I know Lost Temple goes up to tier 7, but not sure where it starts, probably at tier 4 or 5.
This is off the top of my head, so if there is a mistake someone will correct me. Also, it’s not all the maps so someone can try to fill in on the rest. @stray oasis
amber plume
You missed Mirage
solemn crow
found a caveat
vivid horizon
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stray oasis
@compact cobalt thank you :D
cold herald
I got smashed into a wall twice in that event.
robust bolt
Where’s that chat🤔
halcyon wren
PC chatbar is at the bottom
slate elk
hmmm back to that landmines thing....it could be a fun option for training rooms or even in gravity mode....imagine you hit a sweet ramp and at the top is a landmine that launches you even further into space...
What if a map full of landmines ? It'll be a challenge to avoid them
@quaint bay idk if 'full' of mines would be good....but a few here and there, as an option that you turn on or off....and they do maybe 50 dmg or you can set the dmg....
modest anvil
If it’s something that does no damage, then yes, that might be interesting. Otherwise, no
lament widget
@compact cobalt copperfield starts at t4
polar vigil
Make maps textures better
modest anvil
@polar vigil I hope you know they’re much better to how they were when Blitz started out right? And there’s only so much you can do on a mobile game
polar vigil
I mean old maps like copper field or fort despair @modest anvil
New bay is ok
ocean ravine
Ngl Yukon does look kinda cheap compared to the other maps. The colors don’t look very realistic. I wouldn’t mind if they touched it up a bit. I like the terrain though
languid pollen
@ocean ravine It's the newest map, what do you mean by cheap? Mind posting some comparison to see better?
ocean ravine
Here we have yukon looking like a cartoon with the orange ground and the rocks
And here we have mines looking much more realistic
languid pollen
There are even butterflies flying around, what else do you want )
nocturne mortar
You mean the grass coloured ground and the boulders? 🤦♀️
ocean ravine
They are flowers, not butterflies
ocean ravine
On Hellas I think and near bushes
languid pollen
When I get to a computer I'll take a screenshot. If I don't forget of course
ocean ravine
Look at the ground on Hellas and the ground on Yukon. Hellas has much more realistic ground imo
languid pollen
Is it on max?
ocean ravine
Yes, max all, the photo quality idk though. If you let it sit it improves the quality
keen violet
Mines is very broken map YESSIR!
void shale
I turn grass off because it's a visible distraction for me, and Yukon looks pretty low quality even with all my settings on Max except for water
modest anvil
Everything on Yukon I don’t really have a problem with aesthetic wise, I just with the waterfall looked a bit better
river canopy
The waterfall gives me motion sickness lol
icy juniper
That really messes with me. First time I went up there I started freaking out be I was in sniper mode and thought I was falling off
ocean ravine
^^^^^^ I feel like I’m gonna fall off every time I’m up there
modest anvil
That’s called anxiety kids!!
night pulsar
Me on the new map i am 8 on ten and i first was 8/8
And i find the new map to small for me
spring wigeon
Yukon is too small???
patent harbor
Yukon is too small???
Wat!
opaque trout
Sorry what? I think I must be missreading.
modest anvil
Believe it or not but you are
weak shadow
I think I've cleared them all now, thanks @dire bronze
dire bronze
👌
wicked swift
👍 👍
junior oak
ping
glossy peak
Yukon is a winter environment, and you compared it to summer environments, so you can't really say they look more realistic. Actually I think Yukon is the best looking map, and so do a lot of the people on the forums
worldly aurora
who uses the forums anymore
ocean ravine
Winter malinovka looks more realistic though, It’s not that it looks bad by any means, I just don’t like the orange, but that’s more personal taste than anything
urban nebula
I find a lot of maps need reworks, especially for tank destroyer spots. There simply aren’t enough obvious tank destroyer options for the newer player, such as Desert Sands or Dynasty’s Pearl. At least with newer maps like Yukon there are a couple of positions if you know where. But all in all I think a map rework update/s is in order.
cursive vigil
I agree, but I don’t think staff reads this.
Honestly, i can count the maps I have no major problems with on one hand.
native salmon
Staff should read this, but who knows lol 😂 @urban nebula I agree with you though
glossy peak
Winter malinovka looks more realistic though, It’s not that it looks bad by any means, I just don’t like the orange, but that’s more personal taste than anything
@ocean ravine I think they have it orange because of what grass looks like in the winter time, and it's tall grass.
hazy beacon
rework for dynatsy pearl and himmelsdory, pretty unbalanced maps for high tiers
quaint bay
Hellas seems too open on the heavy route, I always see my T95 or Jadgtiger 8.8 or VK 100 01 getting shot by flanking meds/brave waffles while also fighting the heavies in front of me. The maps heavy route is way too open for me with too many ways to get shot at and not enough cover
hazy beacon
it is not too open
fast fossil
It's too easy to get pincered in the heavy route
nocturne mortar
It's definitely the worse option to go for and meds side has plenty of spits for hulldown heavies, more city-based heavies can go mid and either get side shots on the heavy side or push through mid and get the meds. There's too many camping spots for my liking on hellas but it isn't an awful map
glossy peak
Hellas seems too open on the heavy route, I always see my T95 or Jadgtiger 8.8 or VK 100 01 getting shot by flanking meds/brave waffles while also fighting the heavies in front of me. The maps heavy route is way too open for me with too many ways to get shot at and not enough cover
@quaint bay If you go to the side closer to the middle, yeah you're gonna get shots in your side, but if you go a little bit over it's not that open. I've noticed that the medium side though is the spot most people go. But there's not many TD spots over there that i've found
tepid basalt
Im not sure how play TDs like the emil on Megalopolis. The map is both very open on the side with angles for the Emil to use and very cramped and lacking cover in the city area, and I cant seem to play effectively in either area. What should I do?
weak shadow
@tepid basalt Middle area on go hull down. Support your meds and spotters on either flank
tepid basalt
Ah, thank you!
weak shadow
There's two great bushes you can use to get shots across to either C cap or the heavy route.
tepid basalt
Ooh, I see. Thats very helpful to know since getting spotted in that map without being in cover already is commonly instant death for me
graceful pulsar
We still have mines in tiers 9-10?
modern maple
Yes?
lilac fjord
There are worse maps than mines
river canopy
Like Middleburg. Freaking Middleburg. Every possible bad map element is present on Middleburg
Unbalanced spawns (South spawn's hill positions are way better than North), half the map is unusable, tight corridor gameplay, extremely team dependent, dominated by missiles, etc... the list goes on and on
hazy beacon
or falls creek , Idk which one is north and other is south , but one side of the spawn has advantage
cursive vigil
Rockfield is stupid as well, the list grows. Many maps deserve a rework. Man, I even liked the flawed OG version of rockfield more
fresh quest
i miss the original maps when we fought +2--2 battles.
river canopy
Ah heck nah. Old maps were trash tier, and +2/-2 was also awful
Old Middleburg had all the faults of current Middleburg, but there were straight up only 2 usable ridges on the entire hill
compact cobalt
I remember old middleburg hill, it was so bad lmao, especially if you didn’t have gun depression.
Old dead rail was so obnoxious with all the hills you could sit on at the back of spawn. I also remember the mountain in the top right corner of the map you could hide behind lol
zenith osprey
lol remember the mountin in oiais palms you can go so high up and same with mines
cursive vigil
Desert sands camp spot on one spawn
scenic orbit
there was a bug awhile ago on new bay
where you can enter the building
and ofc
it got patched
narrow vector
Falls creek and Faust> anything else
wooden quartz
Idk what are my favorite maps but absolutely they aren't Falls creek and Faust, both are quite too open in my opinion, something like New Bay or himmelsdorf on heavy area are much more what I like
cursive vigil
Unpopular opinion, I like mines
Castilla also is great, canal and fort as well
Highly dislike rockfield, fails creek, himmels sort of as well.
compact cobalt
Mines is alright for gameplay until you are playing it at the higher tiers.
Even worse when both teams have 3 tank destroyers
cursive vigil
Its one of the few maps where u actually use the entire map over multiple games, which is why I like it. Castilla and canal have that as well.
Rockfield has one side which just is better (in encounter) which just makes it boring. Similar story for a lot of other maps.
slate elk
mines is tiny....i dont think its meant for the higher tiers....although it makes for some chaotic fury exchanges, i guess that can be fun.... my least favourite is Faust, its like, either you line up and poke shots at each other on the one side, or you go zooming round the far side and possibly get outnumbered.....once we did amazingly, where we ALL went around the far side and divided them up, but that rarely happens.... favourite, im not sure....i like pretty much all of them, im well pleased with the design elements in them all, the look the feel the taste the smell wait what
hazy beacon
Remove dynasty pearl from higher tiers
wooden quartz
I actually like mines too, while playing tanks with hard turret it's perfect
My Löwe looks Swiss cheese cuz people are learning how to pen that turret (an image to give context)
halcyon wren
Leopard 1 players after being spotted even though they’re on the 2nd line
fossil linden
leopard 1 players under 45% win rate*
river canopy
Also me because I'm bad ^
dire bronze
Also me because I have no idea how to drive a Leopard 1 on Dynasty Pearl^
fleet grove
i love dead rail, its just so fun too play in heavies on the ridge and fort despair flanking in lights
livid stump
Please for the love of god remove mines from tier 8 and up
It’s campy, it’s badly designed, and it’s horribly choked
Half the map is literally not usable whether it be it’s in a place you can’t go, or if you do go there, you die
raw talon
just my opinion but i think castilla and canal are terribly unbalanced. pretty much all the time the location you spawn in determines whether you win or not
fluid swan
Imagine if a whole map was in a building... or on a racetrack? For like a mode...
cursive vigil
Canal and castilla are among the best maps? Both sides are different but equal. It’s not unbalanced like other maps
dusk perch
DO NOT get rid of Mines map for high tiers. It is one of the original maps and it is sentimental to 5+ year players like me.
nocturne mortar
If you like awful campfests for nostalgia then it'll still be at lower tiers 🤦♀️
compact cobalt
I don’t think sentiment is a valid reason.
I like mines, but the map does not belong in the high tier map pool.
cursive vigil
It is one my my fav maps somehow, I barely go mid anymore. It’s one of the maps where I relocate the most on and I like it for that reason alone already.
Rockfield is much worse for me for example.
quaint bay
Imo the maps that should be excluded from Tier VIII-X battles are Castilla and Himmelsdorf. The heavy side of Castilla needs a rework, you can't go forward and do your heavy role without getting bullied by the tds, the game relies almost exclusively on the meds. For Himmelsdorf, the med side looks more like a heavy side which makes this map very hard to play for tanks with weak armor
modern maple
These maps are interesting and special because they are better for certain tank classes. I don’t see a problem with that
sacred loom
These maps are interesting and special because they are better for certain tank classes. I don’t see a problem with that
@modern maple Agree with you lad
hazy beacon
remove himmselsdorf, too flat
cursive vigil
Nah himmelsdorf is decent enough, though a small hill at the heavy side wouldn’t hurt
eager egret
@quaint bay, what about Mines????
quaint bay
Personally I like Mines, the fight in the middle is rather intense. I hope she will not be removed from the top tier 🤞
eager egret
Mines is just stupid. Too many mediums and lights suicides to the middle and dies. Without taking a look at the team layout. And playing big tanks such as Maus is almsot impossible. @quaint bay Mines only works for low tiers.
dull obsidian
Here's a tip on mines for meds and lights, don't rush hill just hug the rock at the opposite side of it and farm
eager egret
Well it's not taht easy to farm when there are TD's looking for tanks to send back to the garage @dull obsidian
dull obsidian
Be aware of every shot the td makes especially on your teammates
eager egret
Totally easy in heat of batlte
dull obsidian
thats what I always do I dunno bout you guys forgive me if I offended anybody
eager egret
What? No, it's just really hard to focus on everything. I'm not a girl just a boy xD
dull obsidian
Cool cool but I do agree that mines isn't the best on some tanks like The 50B for example
quaint bay
" Too many mediums and lights suicides to the middle and dies. Without taking a look at the team layout" this kind of players do it in all maps 😆
opaque trout
If you aren’t analyzing the enemy team comp that is just asking to do worse. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Note: I dislike mines, the map is only fun when most people fighting are idiots so it’s less of a campfest.
dull obsidian
Getting competitive players on that map is actually a pain when everybody is gonna be passive
restive pawn
Mines is an awful map for high tiers. Team that wins the hill wins the game 95% of the time. Windmill side is too open. Nobody goes town because it is tiny and TD coverage makes pushes and rotations impossible without bleeding. Squishy mediums are forced to contest hull-down heavies. TDs have nowhere to peek-a-boom so they just camp and hit people who overextend on the hill. Matchmaking can screw you over with bad tank comp on this map more than any other. If you are in a tank like the e5 you will have a great time. If you are in a tank like the batchat you will want to exit to garage
spring wigeon
Basically your only chance to do anything in paper tanks is to rush the hill which can cost you a lot of hp Bc ppl preaim it. The windmill side just doesn’t provide reliable shots and you put yourself in a lot of risk
narrow vector
I kind of like mines high tier it's a break from playing the much bigger maps , I play American TDs and I find it better to be among the front line rather than in the back, you can really rattle the team by doing some big damage on the front.
In my opinion, ideally you'd want a heavy with 2 TDs, or 2 heavies with one TD go the town route and everyone else push hill to win. If one side is getting hammered the other side better start being aggressive and begin to push.
I'd also be happy with a slightly reworked and slightly bigger version of mines, they should really have some other type of ledge on the heavy side to counter the lights that push hill and just fire down on the heavies.
opaque trout
larger with lighthouse island being redone would be good
river canopy
All they have to do is unblock the climbs on the giant mountain on the side
fluid swan
We need a cheese map.... a map of cheese with tunnels everywhere
keen hare
Canal is one of my favorite maps
wooden quartz
I love all maps, unless castilla, castilla should burn
I never have seen such exposed heavy tank lane
broken panther
Ehh Castilla seems ok in my experience. Definitely not the heavy's ideal map, but it's not very exposed. There's at least enough cover to not get easily sniped by TDs from sector 2, 3, and 8. Mediums and lights are more reliable than heavies in this map since the side that gains control of the castle area will get a great advantage- gunning down foes attempting to close in or pin down enemy heavies by the windmill.
quaint bay
@fluid swan yeah
nocturne mortar
Castilla is pretty bad, TDs dominate any pushes from heavy side, meds side is very unbalanced and pushing is pretty hard and then centre is almost impossible to play unless you are in a fast heavium and the reds aren't smart at all. Even then centre is still pretty useless too. It's just controlled by campers too much really
glossy peak
Tog 2 getting shot up by a leo, but still has lots of hp
vale parcel
Wrong server bro u should post it in #blitz-memes
dull obsidian
Say what you want on Mines and Castilla but there's this one spot on Winter Malinovka that's been bothering me lately because the red team doesn't have the same spot to shoot mediums at the hill
Yes that tiny patch of hill I'm aiming at
wooden quartz
I don't think this position can be actually good, or at least I never tried, idk@dull obsidian
@broken panther on windmill I really dk how to defend myself from meds on castle and on the mountains, that one rock don't defend even one tank correctly
broken panther
That's why I said mediums and lights are more reliable and valuable in that map.
native finch
that position is barely usable
the other side also has a hill thats similar to it
broken panther
If I'm gonna list down the most valuable classes for that map it'd be like this:
-Lights
-Mediums
-TDs
-Heavies
Mediums are just very closely as valuable as lights.
native finch
what type of TDs
theres 3 types
camping bushwank TDs like borsig
heavy TDs like T95 or T28D
and med TDs that run around playing with the meds like skorp or Charioteer
cursive vigil
That spot is great to shoot med side from in the first minute
dull obsidian
The map is dependant on medium side to flank on the heavy side and a couple early shot from tanks like grille is already enough to bleed out the enemy team
desert tendon
Continuing the mines discussion, I’ve had games where I rush the island and shoot across to the open section of the hill and do good damage.
icy juniper
It's not that good of a spot unless the reds are super slow getting up to hill, and the 4 tds in the back will tear you apart.
spring wigeon
Nah island sucks lmao. You don’t have consistent shots on anyone and you’re very exposed. You’re more useful just yoloing lol
icy juniper
Idk where else to go with a paper med
spring wigeon
Yolo hill and hope for the best lol
Mines is a really bad map overall and especially for paper tanks. There’s no room to work, no angles to flank from
desert tendon
With the bad teams rn island is sorta effective
opaque trout
Not that affective in higher tiers.
desert tendon
I did the island strat with a t-34-1
opaque trout
Thats a tier 7, tier 1-5 are low tier, 6-7 mid tier, and 8-10 are the higher tiers. @desert tendon You arent getting away with that in any of the higher tiers unless they have some pretty dumb players.
desert tendon
I would argue that tier 7 is a high tier bc you can play ratings in it
opaque trout
And the tier 7s get murdered, rating sucks anyway, its mid tiers, tier 8 it starts getting more competitive and more good players. tier 7 is inbetween. @desert tendon Doesnt change the fact most players in tier 7 arent that great compared to on average 8-10.
desert tendon
I’m an ok tier 7 player
glossy peak
I don't think this position can be actually good, or at least I never tried, idk@dull obsidian
@broken panther on windmill I really dk how to defend myself from meds on castle and on the mountains, that one rock don't defend even one tank correctly
@wooden quartz it can be good in a TD, if the enemy is in the correct position
wooden quartz
I wonder why you quoted those 3 messages, @glossy peak
broken panther
what type of TDs
theres 3 types
camping bushwank TDs like borsig
heavy TDs like T95 or T28D
and med TDs that run around playing with the meds like skorp or Charioteer
@native finch I mean TDs in general. Campers, and mediums are obviously more valuable according to the logic in my list, with heavy TDs being just as, if not slightly more valuable than heavy tanks.
@glossy peak and btw, Idk to whom exactly you're replying to, so next time maybe refrain from mentioning those whom you are not replying to.
dire bronze
I'd rank the heavy td's lower since althought they may have better firepower, they're crippled by their lack of turrets
river canopy
Rn, the heavy TDs are better than the bushwank TDs. Jgpz, E3, Jagdtiger, are all quite nice.
desert tendon
Obj 268?
river canopy
I'd say that 268 sucks, but then people here will roast me
river canopy
@desert tendon
BL-10 has more DPM now, also more shell velocity, which is helpful.
Anyway, I personally think 268 sucks because in general, it's just not enough of a firepower upgrade over a heavy to justify losing the turret and ~600 HP, and the armor. This is a strange comparison, but take FV-215b vs. 268. FV heavy has more DPM, more accuracy, can hull down better, has a turret, and 500 more HP. 268 only gains 240 alpha and penetration, but being marginally better at camping just does not justify losing the flexibility you gain by playing a heavy instead
spring wigeon
Marginally??? 268 has a amazing camo rating. That 240 alpha is much more punishing. The 268 is fast and can relocate relatively easily and the penetration is worlds better than any heavy could dream of. I mean there’s definitely reasons why 268s get so much use. And I feel like you could use the argument you’re making to make other tds look bad as well. They just serve a distinct role. Granted some strats definitely don’t have any tds but usually when there are it’s a 268.
dire bronze
Occasionally the e3 or foch
void shale
Problem is, they nerfed the DPM of the 268 for some reason, so now it has a reload worse than Obj. 704 and doesn't gain much
268 is kinda useless now because it doesn't have the health, the armor, or a turret even, and the DPM got reduced. It might still be mobile but it can't find many angles to work
hazy beacon
Foch killed it , give it is dpm back
void shale
Foch 155 is also dead change my mind. 560 Alpha after the heavy HP buff is too little, and the main gun needs to be put back to normal.
hazy beacon
@void shale all tds are dead , ridge line fighters and hts are meta
opaque trout
268 is still used in comp quite a bit. (Certain strategies) and E3 is also used occasionally.
nocturne mortar
Thanks to the speed boost the E3 is quite a bit more useful than the 268 but both have their perks, and TDs will always be useful and played by the average camping noob 🤷♀️
glossy peak
@native finch I mean TDs in general. Campers, and mediums are obviously more valuable according to the logic in my list, with heavy TDs being just as, if not slightly more valuable than heavy tanks.
@glossy peak and btw, Idk to whom exactly you're replying to, so next time maybe refrain from mentioning those whom you are not replying to.
@broken panther that's not what i put XD. I don't know where it went
lilac temple
@shy valley @shell talon @ancient salmon @brisk vessel A suggestion;a new map for just educatıon room.some launchers,shootıng ranges, caves,mountaıns for clımb, jumps.can be so funny.
modest anvil
Why are ypu pinging all of them?
modern maple
We have the tutorial map 👀
lilac temple
@modest anvil ?
pseudo cove
Anyone here no how to make a clan poster? like what app?
wooden quartz
But we can't go to tutorial map even on training rooms@modern maple
tawdry hemlock
Can we have a special game mode and map thats like 10v10. Im rlly lookin at somethin thats like halfway between World of Tanks, and World of Tanks Blitz. You get what im gettin at? I feel the blitz community might enjoy it, even if its only limited time or if it stays like Ratings
opaque trout
Old devices, less players is more fun than more anyway. Makes it more individual oriented.
wooden quartz
If Uprising once gave a lot of problems to the servers, imagine how dangerous is 20 players in only one battle
narrow vector
I'm not no expert but let's say theres a set number of players, wouldn't having more players in a match not effect server performance(possibly device performance instead). Since there are more people in a single match there will be less ongoing matches at the same time thus weighing out the difference.
modern maple
The more players there are the more information has to be exchanged. Each new player adds an extra data package for everyone, so effectively you have one data-package being sent to the server (yours) and then all the data-packages of all players being sent to you, and that for every single player. That means if you are alone you have one outgoing and one incoming package from the server. For two players you have two packages incoming and four packages outgoing from the server. For three it’s three in and nine out etc. (basically number of players in and number of players squared out). I use packages as a unit here that describes the average size of the information shared with the server and other players via the server (facing of the tank, aiming the gun, shooting and other commands). So there will be a lot more traffic with more players.
Another thing is that while all calculations are server-side there is a good bit of the game which is client-side, especially graphics and animations, but also the camera control. This means that adding more tanks add a greater strain on older devices
timber island
saw some guys in eu server like pantoufleee or martin dogger play tier 7 regular game in Mirage. I'm in asia server and i haven't ever met tier 6 in this map. Are there any difference of tier for map in different server?
modern maple
Mines is available on all tiers on the EU server. It’s very common in lower tiers and somewhat common in higher tiers
hazy beacon
@modern maple what about mirage
cursive vigil
Mirage isn’t for high tiers, don’t know from what tier it stops though.
nocturne mortar
Pretty sure it's tier 7
modern maple
Yeah, tier seven to eight is usually the border (tier brackets are usually I-IV, V-VII and VIII-X). It may appear as though tier sevens don’t play on that map because when you are playing tier eights you won’t see it. It’s the same deal with Lost Temple and Copperfield
(The survey in your regional survey channel about maps at least somewhat confirms the existence of the tier VIII-X bracket and it lists some maps that are included and excluded there)
hazy beacon
i played on mirage with smasher
inner nexus
Hi, do you think it would be a good idea to add the map of Prague to WoTB?
fast knoll
Maybe. Sounds cool
mental jacinth
I think we need more city style maps
south canopy
Or more open style maps with depressions like the open plains of Russia with with forest dotted around the area ,so you can use flanking attacks with mediums or full frontal attacks with heavyweights leading the way
quaint bay
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slate elk
uhhhhhh what......... a team fell asleep or something? both teams did except you? wow thats insane
@rough sky
stone tendon
Could we bring back old maps? Just add them into the map pool and don’t replace them with their reworks. I miss old lost temple and oasis palms!
The newer maps are all so flat and have so few bushes
odd lichen
Restrict Mines to tiers 1-4
ripe sinew
i think all old maps and all event maps should be made permanent in training rooms
fast knoll
Yes
true latch
How bout bring back the old soundtracks? Most of em were much better
dire bronze
i want that winter malinovka track
stone tendon
@true latch you can just download a mod to replace the new soundtracks with the old
true tiger
@true latch you can just download a mod to replace the new soundtracks with the old
@stone tendon that's very difficult on mobile bc u have to root you're phone and basically breaking ure warranty. I wouldn't suggest that. Another unfair PC advantage:V
fast knoll
Where should I go to learn map techniques and strats
I know Fatness has some, Droodles has some, haven't checked Bushka yet, don't know where else.
ocean ravine
A guy posit1ve had few good map videos as well. Mostly tho it’s just reading the lineup and doing what you need to do
ripe sinew
why is fort despair a teir 10 map
spring wigeon
Because tier 10s can use it effectively
narrow vector
Fort despair is pretty good for high tier still imo
cursive vigil
One of the better maps
ripe sinew
not when the 183 and e100 camp behind the bush like it's teir 3
cursive vigil
You can say that about every map
void shale
Ah yes, the camping E 100s of Himmelsdorf
timber island
ahhh, should the heavy line in himmelsdorf being bigger? Sometimes a whole team go straight to heavy line and get ripped apart, mostly because it's way so small. 7 tanks, td stand behind, big heavy try to get sidescape position but the light still stay there to shoot as he scared to spot at the open area.
spring wigeon
If lights and meds are playing on that side and trying to trade shots they’re not good players
fast knoll
Where should I go to learn maps please ping with answer
icy juniper
@fast knoll YouTube
icy juniper
Basically every big youtuber has done some kind of map guide, but I try to check out smaller channels like positive and dmg. Just whoever you can listen to and learn from.
fast knoll
Thanks
spring wigeon
@fast knoll just find a good streamer and watch what positions they take with types of tanks
fast knoll
Okay, thanks
ocean ravine
@fast knoll Honestly don’t expect to have learned all the map positions until you have like 5k battles, probably more. It takes a while. The biggest tip I have is whenever you get yourself in a bad position, try to remember to not go there or do something different next time, and when you discover a good position, try to remember to use it for future use. Basically try to learn from your past experiences, don’t just hit the battle button 5000 times and not have learned anything
fast knoll
Thanks
narrow vector
Playing in a training room by yourself also helps, but just plain old regular playing does help a good chunk
hazy beacon
@ocean ravine i have 6k battles and i know plenty of postions but not all of them
ocean ravine
That’s what I said, takes a lot of battles to know all the spots
strange musk
Maps like Mines is so basic.The usual spots is the middle of the map and the sniping positions are at the back
fast knoll
yeah mines is weird
fiery mesa
Mines tall hulldown got the disadvantage but short hulldown get full advantage if u go mid and city is just “does enemy tds have tunnel vision or not?”
And the worst part is that if u push hill ur only gonna do the proxy spot and the viable places to be tend to make you suffer -1000 hp to get there
Idk man mines is weird not including left side since you either die as a hero or live long enough to become a camper
spring wigeon
Mines is a terrible map plz remove from high tiers thank you
dusty vale
please fix these stairs because i did 4k damage and easily wouldve carried if i didn't get stuck
hazy beacon
then dont drive there?
dusty vale
i drove there for a good reason i can send u the replay
hazy beacon
ya it happens ,now u know that u cant drive up there anymore
dusty vale
so it's my fault for poor map design epic
modern maple
It’s not poor map design, a Maus for example wouldn’t get stuck. If an enemy forces you to trap yourself that’s well played, just keep cool and avoid attempting to drive down stairs sideways
hazy beacon
i dont the poor design
strange musk
In mines,it's too risky to poke up when you are in a hulldown position.You just get rekt by tank destroyers that just sits at the back farming damage.
Also,when light and medium tanks flank on that island,it's very hard to shoot them because light tanks that rush to the middle hill has a high advantage and can just spot everyone.When you turn your turret to shoot at it,the light tanks on that hill can just poke out and shoot you easliy.
hazy beacon
in mines if u dont have more light or fast meds than enemy u are doomed
strange musk
If light tanks rushed to the middle and your team even though has lights but they stopped like at the middle,the enemy team has an advantage over your team
pastel cedar
Just nuke the enemy tanks rushing hill
strange musk
If a TD managed to track a light tank going up that hill he's 100% dead
modern maple
I don’t rush the hill in my mediums and lights like ever
It costs too much hp and most of the time isn’t even worth it. It also isn’t even a good position when you spawn in the north
cursive vigil
Island positions can counter hill easily, just play smart.
Going town is viable as well, one spawn does it better than the other though. You know where TD’s hide, so play around it. Again play it smart. If you play mid, don’t trade damage, punish overpeeks but don’t overpeek yourself. Tbf I rarely go mid to fight there even. Only tanks I’d take there are IS4’s with their turret, and some HD tanks and some others depending on team line up.
Mines is a map where you need to think where you go because a push can easily get punished. 99% of the losses are a result of a team trading poorly, not because team line ups or hill control or what not. I’ve won close games where we had a huge HP deficit “simply” by luring the enemies in making bad trades. That’s why I love the map. It’s not the simple lane fighting of maps like rockfield,...
Like imo rockfield as a map is far worse, but with the potential to be better. It is so boring to play there since every battle feels like the same old again. Maps like mines, castilla, canal, fort and more don’t have that imo. Ofcourse there always is repetition since the map sizes are small, but for rockfield its even worse since basicly only half a map gets used.
modern maple
I usually go to the hill, but just to hold and provide spotting for my tds. As soon as the heavies arrive (if they arrive) I retreat and look for the village or the island to face some flankers unless I’m in a hulldown tank myself
hazy beacon
mines is shetty map tbh , rockfield is a great map idk wut u are talking abt m if u like mines,castilla,canal then u play tds all the time
cursive vigil
I hate playing TD’s, mainly play mediums or heaviums. Some superheavies
Just look up the heatmap of rockfield to see what I’m talking about
nimble hazel
If you get stuck on a certain place on a map just learn from your mistake. Don’t ask for WG to change the map just because you got stuck once
cedar wave
I was watching a replay in Mines and I was wondering what WG could do to make this map more playable. It’s not a secret that Mines looks small, even when we know that is the same size of other maps.
My suggestion: remove the river and rework the island area turning it into a field or something else that could turn into another flank suggestion.
I can even imagine a supremacy base cap there, another one up hill (in the entrance of the rushing part) and another one in the currently cap area.
The river practically removes 20% of the map.
blazing pike
Nothing like rolling up in an e3 on mines
violet egret
I agree mines is the worst, nothing much you can do in it. Maps too small and outdated, doesn't fit high tier games anymore
quaint bay
How is it possible that every new map that isn’t city based is unplayable? It’s either TD position being broken, one side being completely unplayable or aggressive positions giving no advantages. Yukon, Normandy, Hellas, Alpenstadt and low key Naval Frontier have that. Why can’t you make maps like Canal/Oasis/Vineyards/Mirrage/Black Goldville anymore?
cursive vigil
I think normandy is decent enough, the other new ones are meh at best though I agree. With Hellas being bad
distant spade
Yukon is a good map. Good for all tanks meduims going waterfall and heavies going center. Even tds have a spot to go to
mellow bay
Yes, teams can’t play it though
narrow vector
Hellas and Yukon are pretty good imo
edgy pumice
i liked when the vineyards was set at night
cedar wave
i liked when the vineyards was set at night
@edgy pumice me too
edgy pumice
it was different compared to the rest and it was just cool in general
wide dagger
we should get day/night versions of the maps as an added bonus or even just in a certain game mode
wooden quartz
I agree @wide dagger
One thing that should be on WOTB are Day/night maps, also a map with rain effects (as like Himmelsdorf have snowing effects)
wide dagger
Oo that might melt some people’s phones tho
wooden quartz
Well, the snowing effects of Himmels disappear on lower resolutions tho, why not the same system for a rain map?
Also, talking about maps
I think there should exist more "realistic" maps from real battles (as like Normandy), Stalingrad, Minsk, forest of Ardennes, battles on Africa, etc
wide dagger
Good point and also a setting to change the quality of these graphics same with the shadows....?
wooden quartz
Yes, why not?
WG probably have tecnology to do it and a way to avoid frying people's phones, rain maps, more realistic maps, night maps can exist on WOTB without cause problems
wide dagger
@slow elk taking notes?
spring wigeon
I’m sure your ping definitely informed him of your mind blowing changes and he will now enact those changes immediately
wide dagger
Yes he has thoroughly been impressed by our suggestions I am sure
narrow vector
Bruh moment #57
spring wigeon
😰
cedar wave
Yes, why not?
WG probably have tecnology to do it and a way to avoid frying people's phones, rain maps, more realistic maps, night maps can exist on WOTB without cause problems
@wooden quartz don’t forget that when vineyards first came out it was at night. I guess it was too dark to WG
modern maple
Apparently a lot of people complained about that
wooden quartz
I guess I didn't play on night vineyards, but none complained about night Alpenstadt during Halloween event
livid stump
#removeminesfrom8-10
narrow vector
Just get better ez pz
But in reality as I've mentioned before, I kind of like mines at high tier
livid stump
It’s an awful map at high tier
It’s either rush hill and lose, rush hill and lose all your hp, or flank town, all three options suck
modern maple
If all three options suck, then it’s well balanced
You just have an issue with the playstyle this map promotes. Others love it for that. Variety is the key-word here, and Mines definitely does work in higher tiers so there’s no reason to remove it
narrow vector
Flanking town works pretty well for me; I tend to play American TDs
ocean ravine
Goes town in an e3
narrow vector
I have the E4 so it works better for me
livid stump
The issue is I play town on mines, but if my team fails on the hill? I’m left high and dry
hazy beacon
mines is a hulldown and atgm dependent map , it is so small , just remove it already
cursive vigil
You can carry in non HD tanks easily as well 🤷♂️
worldly aurora
people wanted Mirage of all things at high tier... why? that map is gross
ocean ravine
I think it would actually be cool. I like going towards the middle of that map
worldly aurora
I don't know man, when that map got removed from high tier I was erect like a statue
that map is good for low tier, nothing more
ocean ravine
I have no clue tbh, haven’t played on it in a while. I just don’t remember having any issues with it
hazy beacon
@ocean ravine it is not good for higher tiers
cedar wave
They should rework the river part so it can become a viable option to flank. Nobody ever goes to the water unless they are forced to. That pretty much eats around 20-30% of the map
potent goblet
Mirage and mines could be interesting in high tier skirmish mode.
Probably 4v4 or 3v3 on mines
lyric badge
@cursive vigil Superheavies ?
cursive vigil
E100, Maus
flint herald
dun forget VK 72.01K . maus is like 192 tons(174179kg). e100 at 150 tons(135078kg) , then 7201k at 130tons(117934kg) . unless you want to add the 16801p and 10001p then they are in the 168ton(152407kg) and 120ton(108862kg) . yeah tons because some people using the imperial while us some using metric scales
cursive vigil
I just named a few I play
quasi mango
Eh, using tons is more practical.
modern maple
@flint herald The unit used in the game is metric tons
sour hornet
@modern maple hi what do you want from me?
modern maple
@sour hornet Hi, I want you to not ghost ping people
sour hornet
@modern maple what do you mean with ghost ping
modern maple
Ghost pinging is when you ping someone and then delete the message
quaint socket
What do you mean
sour hornet
But i didnt ping. What do you mean
quaint socket
Stop pinging me
modern maple
You did. i just pinged you two for documentation so i can tell the person you two pinged that it was you
quaint socket
You are an admin or what? Or an officer of stasi?
sour hornet
I never pinged someone. Stop talking shit pls :-)
modern maple
You can see my roles yourself
Regardless, you two are none of my business. As i said, it was merely documentation so I could inform your victim
sour hornet
@modern maple ok sry but now i think you drank some alcohol. Go sleep and stop talking shit
quaint socket
@modern maple dude. You remind me of the pensioners in Germany who always need to play the police role but in real life they count shit
ocean ravine
I have been enlightened by this conversation that I stumbled upon
modern maple
So it served its purpose
spring wigeon
Very enlightening
cyan oriole
Just turn off notifications from the people who pinged u. Done ez.
dusty zephyr
Hi
hazy beacon
why is this channel dead as heck
modern maple
Because maps are mostly fine and apart from the occasional complaint about Mines, Castilla or Canyon nobody cares
Oh, and every now and then you find a spammer or ghost pinger which brings life to this desert
hazy beacon
@modern maple i am fine with castilla but not with canyon and mines
modern maple
Those are the two maps with dominant central positions. It’s a lot of hillfighting there
hazy beacon
considering high tier matches and tds sitting on their spawn on castilla , meds or lights from castle can spot em , and city exists too
modern maple
To be fair you can flank around on Mines and even better on Canyon
But you should be careful that you don’t get yourself into a crossfire between the tds and the main bulk of enemies, so it’s best to just take it easy on Mines and chill a bit until there is an opportunity, and on Canyon you can just circle around and drive up to the center and do whatever without much issue
hazy beacon
problem is mines is too smal
modern maple
But not small enough to allow you to spot the tds from any flank without getting dangerously close
prime sleet
“Until there’s an opportunity”
So basically 5 minutes into the game when everyone’s already dead? And no, 90% of the time you can’t just “flank” on mines
cursive vigil
Town side is a viable option if you know the angles. Relocate to find angles. Island is risky and gives less opportunities but still usable.
hazy beacon
yes , hope u wont be spotted and get eaten by tds
modern maple
@prime sleet Yes, you wait for like three minutes and just trade shots until most of the enemy are dead and you can afford to push into some camping tds
cursive vigil
You know where the TD’s are so that’s why I said, know you’re angles 🤷♂️
prime sleet
Do you realize how dumb everything you just said is? Sitting in the mid for half of the game “trading shots” isn’t how the game was intended to be played and that’s literally why mines is a terrible map. Sitting around shooting at people’s red turrets and trying to snipe cupolas for 3 minutes isn’t dynamic gameplay, and there’s nothing on the map that promotes dynamic gameplay either. Want to flank? Yeah sure, go to the town where you can’t spot anything unless you overextend, making yourself a free 2k damage for camping TDs or even the people camping mid hill. Cap the base? We all know how that ends. What about the island? Again, terrible map design where nearly every single position can be spotted by the tanks in the mid. The positions that are “safe” have no shots, and if you poke to get shots have fun getting nuked by more c a m p i n g t d s.
@cursive vigil kNoWiNg aNgLeS has nothing to do with it, even if you make yourself completely safe from the camping tds what are you doing yourself? Hiding behind a house for 3 minutes? Lol. You’re being useless. If you want to pull out from the town chances are you get spotted and everyone knows that no ones there anymore. Which means you’re back to where you started, 14 static tanks trying to play a map where it’s literally impossible to do anything “dynamic”
cursive vigil
Well then camp behind a house if that’s how you play mines 🤷♂️ I have a lot of plays I know I can make that give me unspotted angles on their TD’s so I can blind them. Or fight of nearby tanks. I honestly don’t know how people try to give map guides because it all depends on the enemy and your team anyway 🤷♂️ so I wont try either
Don’t get why rockfield doesn’t get similar hate when litteraly only half the map ever gets used. The worst heatmap is the one of rockfield.
prime sleet
Why are you comparing rock field with mines? At least on rock field you don’t HAVE to go to one place on the map or 100% lose the game. Even if everyone goes to the med side (which I’m guessing is the side you’re referring to), you can flank and get effective shots and without getting stuck.
@hazy beacon uh I think you’ll have to accept friend req
modern maple
@prime sleet “Do you realize how dumb everything you said is?” Lol
prime sleet
What, are you offended?
hazy beacon
@modern maple he is right tho , mines is trash
cursive vigil
Because rockfield could be so much better after a rework that allows both sides to be used better. Because I dislike the gameplay it offers for similar (=opinionated) reasons people dislike mines.
Mines is more campy agreed, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing? It’s something else at least. I’d be down for a map expansion and a small rework to make the spawn balance a bit more even. But the idea of the map is fine imo.
modern maple
I never denied that, which makes it even funnier. I was just saying how the game goes on Mines, and enough players seem to enjoy it if you want to believe Wargaming
prime sleet
I guess my perspective is different than some kinds of players 🐒
hazy beacon
@cursive vigil Play in mines with paper tank and see how shet it is , rockfield is fine
cursive vigil
I do that and I still like it 🤷♂️
modern maple
On Mines there usually isn’t much action until one team pushes, I usually just sit at the hill and look what the enemy does. Mostly I go to the town to fight a bit over there until the tanks on the hill worked themselves down enough that I can comfortably play there, and from there on it’s either defending against enemy attacks or slowly working your way towards their tds
(In paper tanks, that is. Hulldown tanks go straight to the hill)
rancid gyro
I do agree that mines just feels bad to play and i dont like it at all. It’s just too static gameplay and very hard to be flexible
On rockfield u can still flank more easily than on mines bcz the map is bigger
drifting sleet
I just wish there was more interesting and dynamic positions to use on Mines, otherwise the repetitive gameplay of pushing hill might be a bit better, that's just my 2 cents though
stone tendon
Can we bring old oasis palms back and just call it something else, its very different to the current oasis palms
sleek gyro
Well i hate that yukon seems to never have and cordinated play its just a mass yolo
Just flank and yolo
modern maple
It's a map that allows you to fall into everyone's back regardless where you are, and it plays exactly like that. This happens when you don't have corridors but also a lot of cover
sleek gyro
Exactly, just seems like you loose a lot of the strategy in a map like that
modern maple
Well, your team is most of the time in motion so you have to make strategies on the fly and can't expect people to just hold
dark kettle
I can vote somewhere so mines can be change tier 6 map and lower
cedar wave
Canal needs a small rework in the spawns. One of them lacks of sniper positions, while the other has so many that even (noob) meds go to snipe
spring wigeon
No
celest whale
just remove dynasty. That modern Asian architecture of building urban areas on rolling terrain is annoying for tank v. tank combat
void shale
Dynasty would be fine if it was 100% city based and didn't have the park
celest whale
^
raw talon
I think that canal and castilla both need some reworks
Canal needs a small rework in the spawns. One of them lacks of sniper positions, while the other has so many that even (noob) meds go to snipe
@cedar wave yeah it all depends on where you spawn if you want to win
river canopy
Dynasty needs to have the corners of the map used, the park removed, and buildings added to the central plaza
The fact that there’s this open no-mans-land down the middle is super stupid
quaint bay
That thing is a park?
void shale
It's supposed to be, don't ask why it has cliffs basically
desert tendon
Why do people hate on middleburg
void shale
Because noobs go to town, and the noobs get mad at people who go to the viable direction (hill)
fluid swan
When is blitz getting a map with a cave or a forest?
I miss old school blitz maps... they were way bigger
desert tendon
Yeah, going town is not good on middleburg
narrow vector
I like using the open no man's land down the middle on Pearls dynasty
void shale
Welp we have a cave on Black Goldsville
cedar wave
I think that canal and castilla both need some reworks
@raw talon yes, Castilla too. Both of them have one good spawn sniping spot and the other just sucks or are way worse to get there
wooden quartz
I guess there should be a rework on Heavy lane, it's quite too exposed
dull obsidian
Basically maps like Dead Rail,Canal and Castilla are medium reliant, if you have no mediums on your team and enemy has one it's already a lost
cursive vigil
Not really true
sturdy fulcrum
Depends on how good the medium is
quaint bay
@sturdy fulcrum very agree
wooden quartz
If you have 2 mediums and you enemy 3, and then somehow your mediums won, then you got the advantage
A high numerical advantage because it'll be on the worst numbers a 6 - 4
And a position advantage, because castle and city of Castilla are op
Doesn't matter if you have 1000 medium tanks at your team, if they can't capture the castle, then you lost
quaint bay
^^
wet crag
Where should I go with Standard B (and other tanks with weak armor) on the Mines map? Somehow if I go in the middle, mostly a big problem for me are tanks that have strong armor on the turret like Soviet tier 10.
river canopy
@wet crag Depends on the spawn. On North Spawn, you can either fully take the hill, or make a play for the south island corner. Or you can wait under the hill for the South spawn heavies to play like morons and go through town, then ambush them.
From South spawn, your options are more limited, but you'll just have to be passive in general, either playing from the South island corner, or from your spawn, and then wait for the battle to develop, and then plug any holes in your team's defense
quaint bay
#tourneys-discussion press this
shut prairie
oppai
fast knoll
Remove mines from high tier
gusty venture
Give mines the wotpc theme
fading pendant
tho only in higher tiers
mines with wotpc on higher tiers and regular wotb version 4 lower tiers
copper stag
Agreed
Mines in hightier is awful to play on
desert tendon
Yes
Town is only viable in a heavy, hill is a lost cause, and island only works if you’re uncontested
quaint bay
The priority is the hill. Heavies should not push town. Heavies should go hill and they should be ready to fall back and blunt an attack that comes from town. They should do this in a way that allows the green td's in the hills to support them. Heavies that initially push town usually cost the greens the game.
narrow vector
I always do better going town, take out whoever is there then flank those on hill
nocturne mortar
Taking out whoever's in the town rarely happens fast, and the reds are almost always covered by a camper so you will just bleed if you even think about pushing the heavies let alone all the way to the hill
Oh and the campers won't be spotted for any of this either so you can't even suppress them back a bit to get a push in until you start blind firing.
On the hill you can provide much more cover for the rest of your team and can easily reposition to stop a rush on the town or just spot then for your campers.
upper pulsar
@quaint bay but I mean when do our heavies ever go hill right
narrow vector
Taking out the heavies and whoever else is at town, if it doesn't happen fast odds are there aren't many at hill so your team can begin to push hill and flank. I often find my self with one other heavy able to hold the town flank and push it back relatively easily, if we can't push it back we can hold it off until others come.
nocturne mortar
Ehhh it gets very reliant on the team which I really don't like doing and any push in the hill in the middle is suicide until you know the game is won and even then you want to have got most of the kills out the way, and even then I'd still prefer to push through the river lol. You can push the town back but you can actually get the kills or that much damage without bleeding a lot
quaint bay
In most circumstances the team that pushes the town first will be the team that loses.
void shale
^^^
Generally it's 2 impatient heavies taken out of the Commission early.
The only class that can "go" town on Mines is a light tank is they drive straight past it and wreak havoc in the rear line as a backup if the hill isn't taken
desert tendon
True
livid stump
Still doesn’t change the fact that mines at 8-10 is an fully small map that is dull, repetitive and boring
copper stag
Yeah...
No intellegent play
Just 14 people camping hill
And the moment someone tries to flank half the enemy team comes to kill him
So. Much. Fun.
cursive vigil
A lot of maps are repetitive due the small maps honestly.
copper stag
Literally all the big maps are also awful
U have 3-4 different areas and all of them are separated (on hellas the least)
Meaning if some people go for example mid
They are dead, because no one can come and help
There is no such thing as intellegent play on these maps
Lemming = win (or lose, depending on how many idiots u have)
spring wigeon
Well if you set yourself you to where you aren’t isolated from the team maybe you could receive help.
copper stag
The lemming is strong in this one
neat arch
it's like a trench in that spot on dead rail
ocean ravine
Somehow we won too, cause I did like 8.5k just sitting there.
lilac fjord
I think mines just need some changes and it would be fine in tier 7-10
languid pollen
@copper stag Mind your language please
copper stag
This is what I mean
This is a good guy
Will do boss
languid pollen
@copper stag Thank you) By the way who are you talking about?
copper stag
The mod that kindly asked me to not talk crap again
Not that often (in any server) that I see someone who is this nice
languid pollen
@copper stag Thanks, much appreciated! <3
dire bronze
Does anyone have map tips for the Leopard 1 on Mines
modern maple
Try to get an early shot on any meds/lights crossing to the hill.
Then retreat and keep a low profile until you know the entire situation (how many people are in town and if you can get some damage there, if the hill entry will fall soon on either side and how many are camping), and based on that information you either drive into town to farm a bit of damage (do not push the enemy through the town, that never works) before coming back to the hill entry if you think that a push is about to happen there soon (in either direction)
or if you have a lot of people at the hill entry you can drive to the island (but be careful and make sure that you’re alone first) to get some flanking shot, but retreat further back closer to your base if any opposition tries to meet you on the island (regardless of whether the enemy is already there or rotates there, if someone comes: retreat) because the island is kind of open and you want you fire support to shoot the enemy, not the other way round.
The most important thing is that you should not try to push alone and that you should always be prepared to retreat and help on another flank. Try to not be the main focus of attention and only fight over the hill entrance once most enemies don’t have enough hp to openly trade with you, because your turret armour is too bad for anything like that.
woven grotto
i don't think i've ever seen an island play ever work in pub battles on mines
modern maple
You have to be very careful. I pulled it off (and saw it being pulled off) a number of times but it’s very very risky and the reward is... meh. Maybe it’s just an EU thing
woven grotto
usually on NA 5 things happen on mines:
- they play hill correctly
- they yolo side on through hill in front of TDs and get nuked
- they go town like a bunch of mongoloids and get nuked by TDs while being utterly useless
- they camp river because they're pinned by TDs, do nothing, and then eventually die. or they yolo to the TDs and get nuked and die
- they sit in spawn
modern maple
It actually works better in uprising because you can get away easier when you have invisibility
Yeah, Mines is a bit of a waiting game most of the time thanks to the tds, which is why I said for basically anything that you shouldn’t push but retreat
The safest spot to spot tds is actually the hill itself. The island can help you to get close but if any enemy is on the entrance of the hill you will drive into a crossfire and you are very easy to get rid off if anyone goes for you. If you are lucky it works but that is just luck
Indeed ⬇️, and even if you are not there, always keep an eye on it
woven grotto
TL;DR: go hill
potent goblet
Talked about it a long while ago, couldn't find it so quickly resketched it.
I want a canyon/open top tunnel like feature where the blue is to make it riskier to just sit in spawn. Since Tds are often turretless having to deal with tanks from behind and infront adds risk.
The red spot is an extra ramp leading up to the hill making hill a bit more dangerous, while making it easier to just avoid tds camping spawn.
Yellow is some added rocks/objects that give some cover from hill, hopefully giving meds/lights and extra play ground where people in spawn will have a harder time just sitting in spawn as tanks can get closer easier.
As for the grey bit, I'm not fully sure of the idea but i was thinking about carving out a bit of space on the water level to exand that area to partly reach under the hill. Not terribly far but mainly to give even more protection from hill/spawn areas. It'd look similar to the waterfall area from oasis. Probably not game changing but more room to play.
hazy beacon
@potent goblet u reworked it? it seems bigger for blitz
potent goblet
I just googled "wotb mines map" and edited the first pic. This might be an older versions of mines. I'm not sure
ocean ravine
That looks like mines too me
copper stag
It kind of looks bigger
But might also be me
But i have to agree with the red part
The ramp
It would give the city a reason to exist
More people would/have to go city to defend the back of the hill otherwise the actual hill would fall because of this "flanking action"
And more cover at the island (the yellow stuff) might solve the huge camper problem on this map
So that people can't sit in spawn and snipe all game because some meds might sneak behind them
The problem on the island is that there is literally no cover that is worth it
cursive vigil
The hill already is open to a lot of angles
spring wigeon
Maybe to shoot at but not to actually control it
spring wigeon
Also I’m pretty sure that is the layout of the current mines map. On that map and several others in the game there’s a significant amount of dead space on the grid as is the case on the right side where he’s asking for another corridor
modest anvil
Since we’re talking about Mines I’ll add my own opinion on it. Low tiers it’s fine, in fact it’s quite enjoyable. As the tiers get higher, it becomes more and more... tedious to be used effectively. The best tanks I’ve seen perform on the map are the Lights and Leopard/ Soviet meds. As a person who has recently been opening himself up to various playstyles and various tank classes, I find that the large caliber tank destroyers really have a problem. This is just my experience, of course. The strategy essentially stays the same from the bottom tiers to the top: rush the hill and gain control as your heavies/ rest of your team flank. I have no problem with this strategy, it’s simple and incredibly effective. But I have a proposal. We all know that to some extent Mines on blitz is a smaller version of PC’s Mines. And as maps grow larger, more complex, with more details or features, large or small, why not add a larger Mines? If not the same map from PC, a map that expands on our current Mines? Make ut our own, add elaborate hills and ridges for mediums and a more diverse village/ town area for heavies to fight more effectively. With this in mind, push the spawns back, the village right more, and make the center of the map larger, just make it overall more complex and intriguing. Hell, you may not have to remove the current Mines for this either, it could be made into a new map entirely. Again, just my opinion on this, don’t take it too personally.
TLDR: Remodel Mines/ Add a new Mines with something larger and more complex than the current map.
pure rover
Make Mines like 50% bigger in scale and it would feel much more dynamic and interesting imo.
real steeple
Mines need to have more sheltered routes, all the three routes it currently has can be covered by TDs sitting in the exact same spot.
modern maple
#CorridorMapsAreBeautifulToo?
copper stag
Well the lower spawns (the losing spawn) td spots can only cover 2 of 3 sides at once
Either left and mid or mid and right
prime sleet
Yes mines is a garbage map glad we could all agree
limber arrow
I’m not going to argue with that statement
plush dragon
Love how half the time this channel is basically a mines hate group
And im all for it
modern maple
This channel is quiet most of the time... sadly, because map design is a big part of the game, and perhaps more important than vehicle design
cursive vigil
Yup, improvements can be made in basicly all maps
remote storm
So, what would you improve at castilla?
nocturne mortar
I would:
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Remove the heavy corner camping spots because they are almost completely useless but noobs always look at them and think "Bush! Must be good spot. I camp here." and ruin it for everyone else.
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Remove the ability to climb anywhere near as far on the ridge, one spot big enough for one camper is enough, I'm #£@&# fed up of watching 3 meds lemming train up on that ridge every game.
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Meds side is a bit unbalanced (one side has the corner camping position, one has much better spots on the castle so one spawn is pretty much always more defensive) so I would make the other side the opposite slightly so you can choose to be more defensive or agressive based off which side you pick. To do this the profile of the hill would have to be changed quite a bit, but it's definitely possible.
Then you have a map with less games where 3 are on the ridge and 3 are in the heavy corner and more options for different strategies from each spawn. Its a big change but that's why I don't work for WG 🤷♀️
remote storm
Wich tier r u playing lol. no med climb the ridge actually, only tds
And heavy side have that bush so support tanks (not enough armour to the front line) can sit there and provide support for the heavies
Have you ever played a tournament on it?
nocturne mortar
These tiers are the ones I play, and yes plenty of meds go up the ridge. The bushes in the corner just give people an excuse to camp and pretend they are useful. They get maybe 3 or 4 shots on the whole game and sacrifice all map control and agressive positions. With much fewer positions on the ridge lines the heavy side isn't restricted by the campers as much like it is now (where any push or exposure is basically suicidal) and so you can widen the area to allow more positions so bad players in support tanks don't camp because "there's nowhere else to go"
spring wigeon
Which heavy corner camping spots are you referring to? I know there’s one on the south spawn that’s completely useless but what about north spawn
copper stag
Cant really speak about the heavy side since I never play heavys and actively avoid this side because you will get destroyed by TDs anyway
But the medium side on the other hand...boi
The team that has the big hill and the corner bush covering the med side of the castle "above" the city has a pretty big advantage
Why? Well everyone and his mother knows that there are atleast 3 people camping in spawn and atleast 2 of them are "big guns" and because no one knows how to counter these campers everyone will just stay on his side of the castle and snipe the heavy side while 1 of the teams might push because there is 1 player in it that knows what he does
This is my t10 experience
Med side is camping
Heavy side gets absolutely destroyed
And the battle will last 6mins cuz no one will move
rancid gyro
Also dead rail needs a rework. Cba if there's 5 players sitting in a corner.
copper stag
^
cursive vigil
That one corner (which I assume is the one covering A side) does have really good angles on the entire map and has a good angle on the castilla hill to force them to back off a bit or to get farmed. It’s a decent spot to take and used to be used a ton in cw for a hold there with a med or mostly a TD. But if an “avg” player takes that spot he ofcourse wont use it well, but that can be said about all spots on all maps doesn’t it? I see so few meds camping on the camping ridges as well :3
modern maple
Can someone please point on the map for me which spot you are talking about? I cannot think about any position on the medium side that cannot be countered
Also, Castilla is in the fewest cases a standstill, that only really happens when everyone goes to the heavy side
Let me show you something about those camper positions in the back
That is a very offensive position using soft cover only
This is a more conservative position. Green arrows indicate when you shoot through an intransparent bush
nocturne mortar
This is roughly that you can expect from first positions, the line showing where each spawn gains/loses map control just by positions. Heavy side is almost completely equal apart from South spawn gets a useful position by rushing river, city is pretty much completely equal again. Then in the right of the castle the South spawn loses out ever so slightly, centre of castle is equal and then to the left the South spawn gets a huge advantage. They get to push all the way along the side of the castle, as well as having better positions to shoot onto the city on the left. On top of this the south spawn also gets much nicer and more agressive positions on the city on the left too. The advantage North spawn gets its the top left corner spot covering pushes, and maybe better ridge spots I guess?
The screenshot above is the main position that ruins games, absolutely no useful shots on anyone at all until it's too late. You can't see any heavies until they are pushing, you can't see the meds unless they are going by the side of the river. You don't get their fast enough to stop a tank going mid from river either, but you still get 3 people per game who sit up there all battle with no shots. It is literally useless until you have lost half your team and the reds are pushing stupidly hard in which case it's pretty much lost anyway. You can get maybe 3k damage up there if you play very well, but you will still lose because it's ineffective damage and way too late.
On the opposite side there is a camping spot in the corner that's even more useless than that one, but people are going to it more and more because they can't play unless it's camping and thing every map has the same positions each side.
The only possible agressive advantage is the spot at E2 on the picture above on the hill, and that's only useful because nobody expects it. It also relies on:
- the heavies exposing to left
- the reds all going heavy side/any reds on castle dying in the first minute
- there bring no campers on the ridge, or very unaware campers
modern maple
Here comes the counter position:
Noteworthy: if you reposition a bit you can shoot the plateau on the medium hill while being soft covered from the heavy hill
However, it’s way harder to keep intransparent bushes between you and the enemy
Well, it’s a defensive position so you can’t expect it to have any aggressive potential. If you see someone sitting there simply fall back and let them take shots at those chasing you
cursive vigil
You can prevent them from using the edge of the castilla hill above A simply by having a tank in the back corner, perfect LOS with that edge of the castilla hill.
modern maple
Yeah, it’s a really exposed position
Also, you can just stay back and wait for them to get impatient so you campers can take care of them
Here are possible line of sights and shots for some of the advantageous positions you mentioned
Green circles indicate positions where you are reasonably safe from all fire
thick wasp
is there any other map with TD sweet spots like canal, Castilla, Oasis Palm and Copperfield?
ocean ravine
Yes dead rail
thick wasp
😮 i'm really bad at that map
ocean ravine
@thick wasp You wanna go to this bush, ignore the mongoloids in front of me. There is an opposite bush for the other spawn
thick wasp
nice thanksss, what if the fights are in the right side?
ocean ravine
@thick wasp you see in this map what usually happens is heavys go hull down on the ridge dividing the side you looking at and meds go flank around so that means you should normally see action here, especially when heavys try to go around the corner, where the supremacy cap is. On the other side I guess the bushes far in the back of that side, like a hill there or you can try a closer support role if you have a td that allows for that
ocean ravine
@thick wasp also Yamato harbor
The bushes on medium side right next to spawn, on a little raised area next to a house
ocean ravine
That’s why you need to relocate. If you see you have no meds on the medium side you need to leave that bush cause the enemy meds will flank you and go towards the harbor and just play a support role, shoot the enemy when they focusing on someone else.
pastel terrace
@ocean ravine @ocean ravine @ocean ravine @ocean ravine @ocean ravine @ocean ravine
river canopy
Rockfield has this spot...
O wait... WG removed it because WG hates fun
cursive vigil
Rockfield with people going A whaaaat
dusky laurel
keen hare
vickers lt view range was broken, ideally WG should have reduced all view range by 10
river canopy
The problem is that the new equipment system means that everyone and their mother is running optics
keen hare
^ yeah that too, only tds dont run optics but they never really did, so the only option for WG to give an interesting out view range option for a tier X lt was to make the vickers LT have 280 @river canopy which is really stupid broken as you can't even reach certain spots like canyon C without getting spotted from B cap even if you hug the red line
cursive vigil
We were doing that before as well though? Been a while now but I remember using vents, optics and rammer quite often.
keen hare
uh you didnt use Vstab? @cursive vigil
cursive vigil
Oh right, I forgot that one 🤡
keen hare
it was Rammer and Vstab MINIMUM the third option was either vents/optics/gld, heavies usually ran vents/gld as their gun handling was mediocre,
cursive vigil
I do remember running a number of tanks with optics, idk which anymore at this point. Been too long and my memory is failing me rn
But ye, Vstabs, rammer and vents were the 3 most used ones
keen hare
again heavy tanks usually didnt so you could abuse view range against them quite easily, OG sp1c was a meme or RHM, OG sp1c was super fun to abuse, you had a nasty 2 shell 450 dmg in 2 seconds with 180 base pen and 250 heat
oh and 180 pen in the old days basically autopenned every tier 7 heavies frontal hull armor besides the tiger P which was a really bad tank back then anyway
cursive vigil
I miss the old camonet + bino option though, some maps had great positions for tanks with that set up back in the day.
keen hare
ah OG borsig was that, you ran camo net/bino/rammer
you wouldnt get spotted when you fired at even ranges like 210 meters 😂 against IS tanks, th RHM also had like 250 meters view range base which was basically the max at tier 8
cursive vigil
I used to be able to abuse spotting range more than I do it now which I dislike
river canopy
No one used optics, because on heavies, u need the gun handling, and on meds, you already have view range advantage over heavies anyway
keen hare
obviously the vickers is hillarious with how much it out view ranges certain tanks
modern maple
Provisions broke the sight system more than the equipment
Well, actually the combination really breaks it. Aside from that the game was massively cowercrept by the implementation of both
keen hare
True provisions added an extra 5 to 6.5%
little orbit
Bigger maps for tier 10 would be good
desert tendon
Maps are big enough
Blitz is meant to be fast paced
If you are a slow heavy that takes the whole battle to get to the action on a gigantic map that ruins the purpose of blitz
Probably why WG keeps adding light tank lines
copper stag
Play wowsb if u want slow af gameplay
If u go to 1 side u will never see the other one
daring sparrow
But mines has to go out. Mines in t10 isn't nice. Vickers can spot whole map even if you stand behind bush
copper stag
We all agreed that mines is awful (especially at high tier)
So pls don't talk about it anymore
ocean ravine
I prefer mines over dynasty pearl
wooden quartz
I prefer play in Mines than in Castilla
lucid linden
Same
They just need to maple the maps bigger and better bush spots
They should add the Malinovka maps
copper stag
There are only a few maps that are actually good
And I cant remember any rn
jagged oriole
Is there a future of adding nightmode map?
icy juniper
Vineyards was a nightmode map but was changed to a daytime setting for some pathetic reason
jagged oriole
Realistic battle + completely nightmode battlefield
I hope they bring their own binoculars
scenic stratus
well faust is a night time map
reef elbow
:o
faint tundra
Blitz needs to improve the death animations. The shooting looks awesome and stuff but when they arent watchig guns recoil its all about blowing up tanks. Fire animations are kinda lame and i just think it needs, well, better animations like it cant just automatically go from perfect to charred
quaint bay
They did have actual destroyed models a while ago they were replaced for performance reasons
spring wigeon
Play passive and spot, allow yourself room to run w/o bleeding
jagged oriole
Blitz needs to improve the death animations. The shooting looks awesome and stuff but when they arent watchig guns recoil its all about blowing up tanks. Fire animations are kinda lame and i just think it needs, well, better animations like it cant just automatically go from perfect to charred
@faint tundra I hope WG adds texture of ammo rack explosion like how it really looks of tank totally ruined
abstract bane
Blitz needs to improve the death animations. The shooting looks awesome and stuff but when they arent watchig guns recoil its all about blowing up tanks. Fire animations are kinda lame and i just think it needs, well, better animations like it cant just automatically go from perfect to charred
@faint tundra i agree
sly cosmos
Good idea @jagged oriole
fluid swan
Prototype of map Yukon from 2018? Or new map still in testing?
native finch
how do you still not see the 2018 print right on it
it was a concept map that was later scrapped
fluid swan
Read my desc, first half
quaint bay
Yukon design wise looks nothing like that and wasn’t even started til this year
native finch
what?
i said your discription is wrong
its not prototype
fluid swan
Y not? Rip news
quaint bay
Whoever sent that in can’t read the date apparently
native finch
because its too old of an render
dont trust everything you see online
esp from soft rescue
we already know the new map does not look like that
this isnt even the fist time soft rescue spread fake news
if you trust him then go ahead
fluid swan
I don’t trust ig, unless I hear this kind of news?
native finch
that info came from me lol
native finch
i dont expect you to understand the blitz datamining scene
just do whatever
fluid swan
Mining...
quaint bay
Does anyone else find the spot under the bridge on base in Canyons OP?
I've managed to cap on that base twice, with other enemies on base,
quaint bay
don’t ever encounter cap
quaint bay
Castilla heavy side is the biggest cross fire in the map.
keen hare
lol
copper stag
That side is probably 1 of the biggest crossfires in the game.
quaint bay
you have the map on black goldville
quaint bay
I don’t know what to do on castilla as a heavy, go light route and do no damage. Or eat heavy crossfire.
subtle ridge
Just guess where'll the enemy be, on north spawn I always trying to cross the HT river to get a good cross firing angle by Sacrificing some HP if I'm not fast enough to get there.
I also usually go to mid near cap point to hit the enemy sides, while having some distance to help the meds out if they're being rushed.
quaint bay
Hear me out, using a vickers to climb the huge hill to spot c isn’t stupid. You will get 3k+ dmg at the expense of getting called a camper.
nocturne mortar
^ And this is exactly why ratings is so awful, there are players like this
copper stag
U might aswell deal 3k dmg while being in the frontline AND support ur team through your existence and spotting capability
wheat gull
just play td at that point, don't even bother playing light or meds
your heavies would end up in heavy cross fire against their tds, heavies and meds that got positions near church hill thingy
they can't even back off once they are in good heavy tank positions without getting deleted
camping in lights or meds in that way, is just not butchering your teammates but also your damage and chance to win
as the "meat shields" die too early before you could even pump out decent amount of damage
quaint bay
Dm Me If You Want Me To Take Your Clan If You Don't Wanna Play This Game Anymore????
pure rover
don't get your hopes up
lament widget
top one is new bay, mid is wasteland i do believe, and the 3rd is probs the new japanese map
halcyon wren
nah the second one looks like Empire’s Border on PC
spring wigeon
3rd one looks like a very early naval
prime condor
Just out of curiosity, is there anyone here besides me that wishes they would add some more maps from World of Tanks PC into the game? And maybe make them bigger perhaps?
I personally would love Ruinberg, El Halluf, Studzhanki, and Prokhorovka.
copper stag
Pls no
We don't need more camper maps
rancid gyro
Agree blitz is meant to be faster paced
uneven junco
I’m all for PC mines our mines is too small
wide socket
Hi
quaint bay
Mines just needs a huge rework or even the old version the hill shortcuts made the map more fun for med battles tbh
quaint bay
We need more bushes for sharpshooters here
copper stag
No
void shale
The cap should be moved to a spot where the hill can't deal with it
amber plume
Are you suggesting the island?
spring wigeon
That’s not a bad idea but it won’t fix much
slender mango
what if the cap was on tthe hill?
last flicker
no
icy juniper
it used to be
last flicker
was it gud tehre
slender mango
and then there was like a valley or forest where the town is
icy juniper
don't know if it was "gud" but it got reworked obviously. I didn't play much when old Mines was a thing so I don't really know.
last flicker
~~there is probably a reason it was reworked
void shale
@amber plume I'm suggesting the water way, spawns should be moved accordingly as well.
The team on the north side of the map should spawn in by the town, and the team on the south end of the map, should spawn in near the checkpoint in the bottom right corner of the map
The hill in this case would likely need to have some terrain changed as it's horrible unbalanced as is, and should exist for scouts to spot and supress snipers
The heavies would have a better chance in mines since the teams would spawn fairly close together and don't need to travel far to the main combat lane.
worthy spoke
anyone knows when there should be an new map added?
strong lotus
Yukon was added not too long ago, so it might take a while for a new one
humble anvil
They showed us some Japan/China map a while ago in the early stages, that could come sometime late this year or early next year.
amber plume
@humble anvil can you send a screenshot?
quaint bay
They should make a all forest map with a lot of hills that can be driven over and a tunnel in each side with other dead tanks inside it
For cover and what not that way you can either play really defensive or bum rush
delicate stirrup
would be way tooo good for gun dep tanks and hulldown, unfair to most tanks and TDs basically
ocean ravine
Make a map a race track and the person who finishes 3 laps wins. Everyone gets fast tanks with speed boosts and they can shoot each other with he to track them
narrow vector
They could make a special mode for that probably, maybe they can have it in teams of two, and your teammate in the one who is not racing but instead in some sort of sniping position with the other teammates and they can snipe the tracks of opponents to help you get ahead
quaint bay
hazy beacon
@quaint bay this is new map but that wont be new map , it was prototype of yukon
quaint bay
it was the best cards
It's also a shame before the map was clearer, it was dark it was better
hazy beacon
no cluse why they removed darkness
wooden quartz
I honestly like the dark vineyards
restive pawn
Honestly, all changes except the atmosphere change were welcome.
We didn’t really have a map that had the same atmosphere as vineyards then.
wooden quartz
Honestly, all changes except the atmosphere change were welcome.
We don't* really have a map that have* the same atmosphere as vineyards then.
I still liking the concept of a map on a late afternoon
copper stag
I really liked the "flashing" when u got hit/ fired on the "dark" vineyards.
fluid swan
They should’ve brought the dark vineyards back with Horrorstaght last year for Halloween uprising
quaint bay
serious it's not wrong
I never really understood what she meant. It is an excellent booster to enter an unknown world where there are only pro players who ez you in 10 to 20 seconds in short I do not know 😹
sand socket
found this in new bay, can anyone read what it says?
scenic stratus
_ C N/R E
FOR
REN
Thats what i can read
sand socket
i found another sign
near the building being built in sector 4
CAUTION
DO NOT PLAY
ON OR AROUND
sand socket
Easter Egg spotted in Hellas in sniper mode
Its in sector 5 on top of the huge pantheon over mid
Its not there when your not in sniper, just like the cave easter egg in BG
figured out its distance based
Sector 1 at the pantheon | Blitz lightning bolt
amber plume
why are you posting things that have been discovered on literally the first day since the maps release @sand socket
sand socket
My findings; Self gratification
amber plume
but they have already been found.... bruh
sand socket
self gratification, dont question it
I've never seen these things before
Also for my wiki; getting HQ images of every easter egg
fervent portal
Omg the WoTB wiki... Any wiki you look at is a bunch of bs.
sand socket
Wth is that supposed to mean?!
It's strange you say that because my wiki is currently the largest there is for WoT B.
void shale
Imagine using the WoTB wiki
sand socket
you want to see for yourself?
Old Wiki https://wot-blitz.fandom.com
We're currently transitioning to:
Mirahezehttps://blitz.miraheze.org/
void shale
Oh, it's not the actual Wiki, it's some lame knockoff.
I don't think it's overly important given the other websites we have for this sort of thing
sand socket
Well, the official Wargaming Wiki requires 20 battles in every single World of game to edit at all.
void shale
No it actually doesn't.
sand socket
Not to mention, ours is larger, and has things WG would never put in their wiki
void shale
A long while ago on the forums there was a discussion to help improve the wiki, and I did a good bit on my end, but hardly anyone was helping so I gave up.
sand socket
Exactly. Mine is the FIRST RESULT when you search "WoT Blitz Wiki"
void shale
Blitzhangar provides anything you could need.
sand socket
void shale
You can find some of that stuff from Blitz Post and forum threads with data miners
sand socket
You just summarized the point of my wiki: to compile information.
Make it easier to find
not have to dig through years of forum posts, or immense searching to find things
void shale
Legitimately, other websites have a specialization, and are well organized. I don't think I've ever had to dig through anything except pre 3.0 patchnotes
sand socket
Well, thats you, not the general wiki userbase.
We average around 700-800 pageviews a day, which is REALLY good for such a small community.
A lot of notable people in the blitz community think my wiki is a really good thing
void shale
The community isn't at all small. We have 83k people on this server and the RU server has significantly more. That aside there are a ton of people in the game
sand socket
MY community is small
However as previously stated, a lot of notable people really like the idea.
Maddox, MirageMike, minitelrose from wotinspector, can't remember his name but the person who runs BlitzPost, the guy who runs WoT Bot, just to name a few
Another notable person; tankeatingtiger
So if you want to call our wiki "some lame knock-off", you can go right ahead, you'd just be totally wrong.
void shale
All I'm saying is the information is already out there and up for grabs. It's just another website to find information from so I find it unnecessary.
sand socket
I wouldn't say all of it
Could you find another page that documents avatars? I highly doubt it.
We will eventually have avatars that you can't view in the avatar menu, but I need to get the photos first.
https://wot-blitz.fandom.com/wiki/Avatars
Ignore the challenger, someone broke the Challenger Avatar image by uploading the tank
Fixed now
amber plume
I like how wg has patched so many climbs yet hasn't patched this xD
hazy beacon
@amber plume wdym
sand socket
@amber plume thats based on tank height
copper stag
Did they patch the buildings on yamati Harbour too?
sand socket
Yamato*
honest ingot
hazy beacon
Mines should be removed from higher tiers , no need to rework just remove it
shut creek
And fort despair
wooden quartz
I might like Fort Despair on high tier, but the heavy side is quite too small for 3 or 4 super heavies at the same time
wooden quartz
Once again I'm here to say that the Heavy tank side (windmill) of Castilla is horrible
arctic pulsar
Desert Sands should get more cover when crossing between desert and town
making pushes more comfortable and harder to detect
narrow vector
Fort Despair is fine at high tier
hazy beacon
@wooden quartz then dont go that route
wooden quartz
That's this way have "heavy tank route" as nickname for a reason
hazy beacon
Does not mean u r supposed to go there , U can go to castle side or B cap too
wooden quartz
"Doesn't mean u r supposed to go there"
Ok that the whose side of a map is extremely exposed and actually meant to heavies go there because it's called as "heavy tank route" but you don't exactly should go there
Bruh
That's basically what you said
hazy beacon
why u dont go to castle and bully them with hulldown tank
wooden quartz
As like if the spawn for Heavy tanks wasn't near that route for a reason
Go castle at Castilla = camping for most of the times
Heavies don't camp
Unless if you like to camp at castle with your heavy tank, then the only "good" route for heavies is windmill, but even this area is very bad because of how much it is exposed to enemy fire
hazy beacon
ok , enjoy the heavy route and get shot from 3 places
wooden quartz
Ok, enjoy camping with heavy tanks 👍
ruby current
Going castle in heavies allows you to push through the small town pretty easily to obtain map control, but you need tanks to cover you from enemy MTs/LTs on the castle. This is much easier for the south spawn as they get cover from TDs camping on the hill
wooden quartz
Oh yeah, also will allow you to camp
If you aren't going to windmill, at least your enemies will go. You'll need to camp against them or go forward (something that will be even worse than go to windmill)
ruby current
If the enemy goes hill and none of your teammates don't, most of the time the enemies will head to the middle of the map, in which your team has an advantage. Taking the castle area opens up both spawns, and provides many avenues to deal with the enemy heavies that are sitting in crossfire central
wooden quartz
But there's one point that you didn't consider, almost always there's enemies and allies on hill
If there's 3 heavies on your team, at least 1 of them will go there
ruby current
Regardless, adding one extra gun to a flank (and a high hp pool) as a heavy to a medium flank has high impact, at most the 1 muppet on the hill opens up side shots on enemy heavies for the mediums/lights on the castle by providing vision
quaint bay
I have a map idea
What if you made Iwo Jima it can have tunnels and caves to snipe from
The other team can spawn on boats and the beach
wooden quartz
You still with the choice
- Or you advance through an area with no cover (what will make you get shots from every direction)
- Or you camp with a heavy tank
quaint bay
What
shy raft
Put more cover in Hellas, i Can literally shoot from everywhere
quaint bay
Lmao hellas doesnt need more cover players need to learn to use what cover is available effectively
livid stump
@peak blaze y’all fr have to remove mines from 8+
It’s actual cancer fighting on that map
It’s bad for the same reasons as copperfield, way too small, horrible spawns and a decent chunk of the map isn’t usable
lilac fjord
I want map stats (wr average dmg and stuff) to see on which maps I have to improve my playstyle
What do you think about that ?
pure rover
that'd be pretty cool tbh
copper stag
Cant you see it when you do bad?
I know that i suck on mines, dynasty, channel, black goldvill and hellas
hazy beacon
i suck on himmelsdorf and mines
copper stag
Himmelsdorf only when I drive lights/meds
But that's a given
quaint bay
hi
lilac temple
Wg pls take moon map from training room.
brazen spindle
what are good scouting spots for most maps
cuz i wanna scout instead of farm damage most of the time
desert tendon
@brazen spindle just go to the med/light route and peek the ridge
hazy beacon
@brazen spindle Vickers L
brazen spindle
I have the cruiser
hazy beacon
@earnest elk t62a
@earnest elk watch hisroyallfatness about those 2 tanks , u choose
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZf3-6NNy1I @earnest elk
copper stag
There is no reason to play the 140 other than the few mm more upper plate armor
hazy beacon
Playstyle is more important , I like t62a more because the turret is better than obj140 and 1 more gun dg , @copper stag they have same armor , just obj140 more angled and U shaped
copper stag
Yeah but because of the turret armor and 8 degrees of depression (think it was) for some reason, there is no need to show your hull
hazy beacon
@copper stag it has 7degrees
copper stag
Close enough
hazy beacon
@earnest elk maps
fluid swan
Background similar or coincidence?
quaint bay
I don’t see any similarities
tranquil peak
what the what?
heady fossil
wdym
slender mango
I mean kinda
quaint bay
Just I saw un the trailer for the update à sort Of new map.
Are they going to put à new map ( désert)?
??
woeful rose
@fluid swan is it fjords?
mild spear
I think we need a full blown forest map like in the ardennes
desert tendon
@slender mango the wasteland map is returning after being removed after 2018 mad games
lucid linden
War gaming needs to add prokerovka and malanovca
wooden quartz
Wasteland was really wasted by WG, lol
lucid linden
Or just add the hill on himmesldorf