The Bridges on the Side the mediums go could be slightly reworked, allowing tanks to maintain a hulldown position
#maps-discussion
copper hearth
foggy carbon
Ye. I reckon they could. That would be nice
quaint bay
Hate that I cant perform well on Desert Sands and Mines in the Chally but on other maps I'm dealing out damage like I'm dealing out cards
ornate narwhal
Ye those maps need some sort of remake
foggy carbon
u r not supposed to be able to play every tank on every map. it is not meant to be that way. Eg. dead rail is a snipers haven but harder for tanks without gun depression. u can still succeed in them tho. it just takes more skill
inner trellis
Where. my. port. bay. rework.
nocturne mortar
I thibk castilla could work better with the ridges at spawn removed so you have to move to camp. Then less of the map is locked down by campers without them losing all of their effectiveness and the meds will have better cover from the church
proper flicker
People already move to camp, also you shouldn’t move when camping .-.
teal matrix
I hope they added forest map (full of bushes, large) and a castle at the middle.
And i will call it: "bruhés throne" for the lols
narrow wave
Can we burn the files that carry maps like mines.
(Forced action right at start... get lucky and win or get banged quickly.). “At least it’s quick exit to garage”
Ya like garage is more enjoyable to look at than mines map.
teal matrix
I love the mines for 1v1 and heavy tanking
quaint bay
Mines needs a better rework or needs to be Donezo
potent goblet
Inception themed map.
fast fossil
Mines is fun in a jageroo
sage wind
everyone rushes hill in mines, its like a tradition
dapper canopy
tall meteor
A snow map.I love them but one with a big big cannyon where the light tanka rush and up the tds snipe them.It can have a russian-german war theme
foggy carbon
Tbh that seems more of a silly idea. @tall meteor
quasi jetty
I still think my bedroom idea is a good one
valid swift
Need new maps!🤷🏻♂️
small ivy
There two coming soon
valid swift
Yeah I saw some sneak peek but haven’t heard much , so feel kind of out of the loop haha
quaint bay
Light tanks at high tier can't play Mines very well. The only way to do it is by rushing to the middle, where you could possibly get shot by people already on the hill, or have to fight other fast tanks who reached the middle before you.
If a light tank goes to the lower area with water, they can easily get nuked by TDs, people on the hill, or die by mediums who are also in that area. If they go the heavy-route, the area is too small and you get nuked by the heavies. If you camp in the back like a TD, you don't do anything the entire game and watch as your team dies.
amber plume
Not true. In my Bat Chat I go to the light house. There I am undetected as the enemies in middle can not spot me but in return I can spot their TDs.
quaint bay
In tier 7 and 8 AMX, and 9 batchat you get spotted very easily. Also, I will often be attacked by medium there and get torn apart due to no support in the area
ancient flax
if I still had my T10 batchat, I'd go to hills, if not I'll circle around to the cap, then to the spawn hill then to lighthouse
slate tundra
You sold it? :(
ornate narwhal
T10 tanks are like trophies. You should keep them because you worked hard for it.
keen hare
port bay should jsut be removed. Its so stupidly team dependent. Do your meds cross or no?
quaint bay
Remember the old Mines map where you could actually do something with tanks with low depression?
ancient flax
hmm would you sell your E3 during the time when Meds fire HEAT that rolled for the same dmg as to the normal ammo?
quaint bay
Hmm do you remember when HEAT looked like a 2.5L bottle of Pepsi?
sterile cobalt
Should I go for is 7, is 4 or Maus as my first tier 10. Btw I’m not a noob as I have a 60 percent wr
keen urchin
@sterile cobalt 60% win rate mean nothing when you get to t10 u could drop to like a 45 or 50%
@sterile cobalt i will say is4 or maus u choose between them
proper flicker
I like my IS-7 and Maus ._.
glad zinc
I kinda hate mines becuase everybody won by some strategy when they were a new player and then they will only do that strategy. And the the whole team breaks apart and goes in 4 different directions
Also so many people camp in spawn in tanks that are not sniping type tanks
proper flicker
That’s just noobery, you can’t change the minds of those who don’t understand
copper hearth
fix please
nocturne mortar
^ the hitboxes on some maps, especially on oasis, are slightly off, and it is only noticeable when you come out of sniper mode. Can be really frustrating when you are trying to peak as little as possible
pure harbor
Is 4
primal junco
hello
sacred folio
I don't get why everyone is complaining about mines, it's such a simple and good map
green stirrup
I still hate castilla
copper hearth
@sacred folio camp fest,
fresh quest
I like castilla. I hate meds
slate tundra
I hate tds
quaint bay
@sacred folio not really when playing tanks with low depression
nocturne mortar
@fresh quest really? I wouldnt have been able to tell...
fresh quest
@nocturne mortar. Not worth tagging me for is it. I play heavies and tds because my laptop hasn’t got a mouse and is 9yrs old. I have to swipe to move the turret so therefore HTs andTds are easier to play for me. My favorite MT is the tier 5 pz4g. Only because for its original appearance...
nocturne mortar
And you camp in everything
ancient flax
i play on a trackpad for every game i have
foggy carbon
Rip. Used to that. It is hard. The a bought a mouse. 🤯 😂
ancient flax
i used to use a mouse but gave up when it kept making a high pitched sound when ever i moved it
fresh quest
Sure. You know it all don’t you. We haven’t been in one team once. I never camp in any tank.
nocturne mortar
Yes we have been in a battle together. Yes you did camp. Once right at the spawn on oasis palms, once near C base on lost temple against a team of heavies. You were in the pz4s both times. Funnily enough you lost both
cedar elk
quaint bay
Yeah
foggy carbon
No. Go play WoT if u want bigger maps. Blitz is supposed to be fast paced. Not big maps.
livid remnant
xD
radiant pumice
What if you made a battle of the buldge map with like a small city in sector 5 or have it carry to 4 and 6, or have woods in sectors 4 and 6. You could have hills by spawn and some rocks for tds or woods to to position themselves. The cap would be in the center of the town/city.
foggy carbon
Stop copying the same thing Over and over again @radiant pumice
ornate narwhal
We need maps with high difference. Places with super high hills and places that are lower than normal. Like Dragons Ridge from pc.
slate tundra
I hope future maps are symmetrical
proper flicker
This would further straighten certain tanks to be strong on the map though...
foggy carbon
The maps are actually very symmetrical. They just swap features and make minor differences
slate tundra
Maps like alpenstadt
foggy carbon
Just look at this map. Castilla. The drawing is bad cos my thumbs r fat but u get the idea. I have highlighted major battle points, camping spots and routes as well as lines for the middle and points where symmetry is prominent
Of course it is not exactly symmetrical. But imo they r fair
potent shore
noice
spiral aspen
I don’t really like the new maps because I am not used to it.
I like the desert map because it reminds me of the other maps that have sand.
fast fossil
@foggy carbon sir I believe you are missing a legend cuz I don't know what any colours means
proper flicker
Uhh the bottom team spawns like closer to the middle tho, the real clash point is on that hill
And top team also spawns closer to the middle
Both teams simply both reach the hill nearly at the same time because bottom team makes a detour basically while top makes a long stretch to it
proper flicker
Usually how I find Castilla to play out
foggy carbon
Watch that. It is good representation. Happens most times.
pine vector
There are (were ?) heat maps on wotinspector gathering all the games and showing where damages are dealt from and where they are received. @foggy carbon
I think you find there where tanks go depending on type
hidden crane
.
quaint bay
@hidden crane very clever opinion on that.
quaint bay
Who would like to have a map with a night map with a button that is for tank lights and another button for scope mode and scope mode only for night vision so u can hit tanks across the map
Plz tell me if you agree or disagree
agile iron
quaint bay
Ok
fresh quest
the lights on the tank will give away your position. not a great idea if you try to snipe or to spot. However nightvision will be cool.
craggy crest
Any news about mine being reworked?
short kite
Umm why my message deleted?
icy juniper
@midnight jasper there are some new ones in test
icy juniper
junior eagle
Why can that happen on my mobile phone, all maps
icy juniper
#585464006936887306 , not here
gloomy harness
Who wants the old 2014/15 Maps back? Like an event or something..
pine vector
Old Mine with the cap in the middle and the quick route to hill from (North?) spawn ?
gloomy harness
I mean all old maps
icy juniper
man Mines sucks
languid lodge
They need to make mines vineyards size
glad zinc
Mines is a really good map. But everyone plays like donkeys on it.
quaint bay
Everyone goes hill, they don't even try flanking through the beach or town.
pine vector
I reckon all maps have same size
quaint bay
Mines is trash
The previous version of the map was much better, even though the hill area was too op
But at least you had more space to play
Now it's like a thousant rocks which make the map look significately smaller than it acutally is or was before
fast fossil
Mines is great for stuff that can get to the hill going 60+ or hulldown gods
Otherwise you are significantly less effective
quaint bay
wait there are new maps?!
solar gulch
On holidays it will probably be new map
oak shore
Wonder which map tho
Will it be Pilsen? Or would it be the new Desert map? Or is it that city map from quite some time ago?
tender parrot
Mines is just too small to go to the beach, 90% of the time anyone goes there gets spotted and gets killed by TDs camping at the back
potent goblet
Create a flank route through the mountain around the city side that connects the spawns. Allows meds to flank the Tds easier and get to the city safely without spawn campers from tearing them apart. Also add another route up hill opposite from beach side.
tender parrot
50% of the games I have in higher tiers ends in a stalemate for 5mins, basically win by having trolls shots
Have hull down tanks going hill, Mt to the flanks with some non hull down ht, td camps. Both teams do this not exposing themselves to tds and you might as well have trench warfare
potent goblet
A trench map seems interesting more or less.
Wide open map with a bunch of varrying depth trenches and some underground tunnels. TDs smack anybody who pops up too high. Meds/lights can use the tunnels to flank behind enemy lines and hulldown heavies can use the trenches to slowly make their way accross the map. Give it the wasteland sandstrom effect every now and then that's strong enough to reduce view range by 60% so people can risk going topside to make it across faster. Put the base in the dead center inside a crater (underground tunnels look like a spiderweb almost and can also be used to reach the base.
foggy carbon
Make mines bigger.
real steeple
Cam we have a map on an aircraft carrier
quaint bay
No
real steeple
Mines is flawed anyway
Especially if you're in a medium with bad armor and failed to take the hill ala Leopard 1
proper flicker
I can’t find a good way to use heavies other than to sit behind cover in Falls Creek
foggy carbon
Or go down to the cap. If u have gun dep there is also another spot.
fossil folio
Mines is ok in Tiers 1-6. It shouldnt be played on higher Tiers, like Copperfield
quaint bay
Mines is terrible at tiers 7-10
woven bronze
<@&481447501690568709> That's not maps discussion ^
knotty quartzBOT
Rhansu#9670 has been warned.
woven bronze
Wait i think they deleted the nsfw image
small vault
@visual depot My bad, I didnt know the c-word crossed the line of obscene. I know now.
visual depot
👍
quasi jetty
I got it!!
How about a giant soccer field with craters and the capture base is the center circle
Maybe a few soccer balls wedged into the ground for cover
quaint bay
lol
quaint bay
😑
echo timber
Can there be a Washington D.C map? I think that would be pretty neat.
slate tundra
LOOL. I hope to see a jungle map
narrow wave
Jungle? So trees and bushes everywhere ..... rip spotters lol. Would be fun to play mad games in.
Also need more elevation changes on a map. Few are good but need more.
And pls omit Mines from map pool. Cuz it’s poor adaption of pc mines.
proper flicker
I like mines, it seems being on the hill is as good as contesting it behind the rock sometimes
potent goblet
Tropical map with an active volcano that after a certain period of time starts erupting causing lava to start flowing through the map and setting parts of the jungle on fire
proper flicker
And it won’t affect tanks because tanks
potent goblet
Turns everyones camo into inferno camo for rest of match if they touch it.
gaunt bronze
I like that idea
pine vector
All tanks touched by lava would be set on fire... and lava would flood the spawns
slate tundra
Lol
lone ferry
Can I make a map for wot in unreal engine? :v
May i*
One small map with a river that makes the tank fight from distance may have a bridge to make players try to cross it if players get in the river tanks get destroyed and with a good amount of rocks or structures and bushes to hide the bridge may be big and with cars and stuff to take cover
A tank with a special perk that place one anti tank mine on the field
Per match
vivid horizon
That d be too OP and besides such minefield map wudnt b practically allowing tanks to move through
vague anchor
after 1 year i back and say that port bad need to be fixed if reds meds crosse river in c side you lose for sure if both reds and green meds crosse the winner will be define by luck and rng
heady hinge
hop soon we get new bigger map
nova marlin
Yeah
It’s hard to move around in a small map with the fv4005 and 183 very hard to find spots
sacred ore
I have always wanted a map that is a gigantic forest. Just forest. Maybe a little hill in middle. And it should be a lot of trees. And some stones to tame cover behind.
safe wigeon
@sacred ore good idea. thinking of some high ground some low ground. good for tds to hide and shoot while good for lights to spot in the middle of the map.
Then hull down positions for heavies and meds and a cap in the middle
spiral pike
@vague anchor yep whenever the meds in my team doesn't cross river while we r at C..i know at once that we lose this battle
Also when the meds cross river...and the stupid HT nd TD don't hold or push C we lose... coz the reds HT push C nd kil the meds while the green HT camp near the bridge
ornate narwhal
Unfortunately wg wants flat symmetrical maps with little bushes and a lot of buildings
lean zinc
ikr
they don't want to create a bigger map because there are fewer vehicles for a larger amount of space
proper flicker
If it got bigger then TDs would technically be more of a problem and prolly camp more. The symmetry also helps keep teams even but then again the team lineups are different and each tank can only use certain parts of the map effectively
safe vine
If they make bigger maps, why not make a mode for like 10V10s? The bigger map space would allow for more tanks on the field and would bring a different play style to the game, kind of like how realistic
quaint bay
Coz old devices couldn't handle it, not as simple as you think
safe vine
Just a thought
stone tendon
No bigger maps, it would just incourage camping and make gameplay slower
I wouldn’t mind more 9v9 battles tho, they are fun!
proper flicker
More? 🤔
potent goblet
Asymmetrical maps are harder to balance than symmetrical maps.
mossy copper
Big maps and 9vs9 :v
faint hull
no bigger maps and 9vs9 or 10vs10 but first upgrade the potato game engine
proper flicker
Phone, potato phone
faint hull
well sucks for them they can run the game on low graphics then
pine vector
Lag has not much to do with device
hollow lantern
How about a nighttime map..?
Faust seams to be at night, but the snow lights it up - How about a really dark junglemap? 👍🏼
foggy carbon
Wg doesn’t want jungle maps. Blitz doesn’t work like that. In WoT and wt it does but in blitz it doesn’t. I think it is because of the spotting mechanics.
ancient flax
they should add the features of the lights in front of the tanks working
rugged cypress
A jungle map would put a lot of strain on older devices
burnt palm
small ivy
Faust
hollow sable
they should reintroduce vineyards with the night mode as a separate map
potent goblet
Please no.
hazy patio
I would really love to see map Studzianki in wot Blitz.. with that epic soundtrack 🤩
slate tundra
Why don't you guys want a dark map I don't get it
potent goblet
My worry about dark maps is not being able to see. Normandy is hard enough. Dark maps can be very non colorblind friendly
lament widget
then don’t be colorblind. Easy as that
slate tundra
People don't have a choice as to whether they want to be colourblind..
But I love old vineyards kind of atmosphere
hollow lantern
A nighttime map could be a Challenge - kinda like realistic mode, where it was harder to track targets 🤔
Maybe even have Camo reset faster aswell 🙂👍🏼
hybrid chasm
The gun fire effect on vineyards was legendary
fickle wyvern
@hybrid chasm was
restive pawn
Fix the alpen cap circle. Its rlly hard to stop someone from capping there if they are being guarded by their team.
wooden quartz
For next War Gaming's birthday, what about Minsk in wotb? For a tier X map and an event with something for remember the history of all war gaming games
Minks, where war gaming born, born to make history with wows, wot and wotb, so why now a map for wotb?
eager tide
@quaint bay English only here please
terse crag
lol
amber plume
We already have city maps
potent shore
hate em as well
ancient flax
unless ur in a maus
prime sleet
Grille best frontline city tank
ancient flax
no churchill gc
fleet phoenix
fine imma remake a Churchill GC
safe vine
Churchill GC best tank change my mind
midnight jasper
We need open maps for long range shooting so we can aim better
Maps with dunes and hills
quaint bay
🤣 so you want to camp more?
wild thicket
How about just have more areas where there’s undulations in terrain with a reasonably complex field geometry
primal slate
Cant w8 for the maps
vivid horizon
the new map looks big !!!
oak shore
YES! The City Map's coming soon!
Looks American, but the texts in the town are not in English tho
quaint bay
Great a city map 😒
slate tundra
Yayaayyaya
chilly ibex
city maps are for the cool kids
slate tundra
Lolol I just hope there will be open space on med flank and not just blocks
potent goblet
Meds take an elevator to get the drop on enemy heavies
fringe herald
I see donut
ripe wren
@oak shore I thought it was New York china town
small ivy
It more look like San Francisco China Town
midnight jasper
Looks like both two maps in one and it looks like more places to hide and ambush
About time a map that you have to work on to now where to shoot and maneuver in
oak shore
Layout of the new map
Taken from Reddit, from a post on r/WorldofTanksBlitz around a year ago
nocturne mortar
Looks like it will function simiale to dynasty's pearl, which is definitely jot a good thing. Lightly armour tanks will have every litte chance from my first impressions but it will be interesting to see how the overpasses function
prime sleet
Yes they didnt change the map at all from a year ago
potent shore
@small ivy @oak shore the map looks a lot like Minsk from WoT PC
oak shore
Minsk is a whole different kettle of fish compared to this map
For starters, it has a whole river dividing the east and west, the new map only having water at the northeastern corner
elder finch
How many maps are already on the pledge list?
hybrid chasm
Like 4
slate tundra
Ahaha
plush sonnet
I dont know when put new Urban map in World of tanks blitz
echo ledge
Probably the next update , or when the pan euro update is out
lament widget
There’s always a new map .2 and .7 updates
void shale
City maps are nice, it's kinda annoying how the meta normally dieviates from them
pine meadow
I thought kursk was where Russia stopped germany in world war 2 and push them back?
true charm
New map looks cool
And it looks good to play heavys
proper flicker
Heavies will pull so many sidescrapes on it 😂
hot sun
7 @pine meadow not exactly
pine meadow
@hot sun history lied to me
bright stirrup
Pan euro?
hot sun
@pine meadow indeed
glass zodiac
@pine meadow it was in Tilted Towers
sudden trout
Can we please get larger maps?
proper flicker
No
pine meadow
I think we won't cause then the time will have to change
pine meadow
I know
vague anchor
so you need me to say again that port bay need to be fixed?
quaint bay
Yep, the bay area is useless and pretty much an insta loss if your team goes there
quaint bay
That happens like in 5% of the battles
copper hearth
Falls Creek.....
quaint bay
We need bigger maps
grizzled mango
That would make playing slow tanks even more intolerable than it is now
Considering how much I enjoy fast tanks, it would tip the Meta more toward my preferred play style, however I am not sure that is needed
However, I will add that some of the smaller maps I would not mind seeing less frequently at the higher tiers
quaint bay
It's not that simple
Wg would have done it already if it was
There are a lot of players with devices which could not handle it
half cargo
Can’t wait for the NEW map new bay hurry plz hurry
proper flicker
I need to find those easter eggs 😠
night panther
new map is looking good, thats good content
ripe wren
Beginners will always go downhill to Bay Area. Watch them throw away games from the bridge.
tawny basin
Wish there was a subway tunnel to sneak around
keen hare
Just realized. Wg kept a refueling station in Manhattan. I dont think there are any. Maybe one
safe vine
The map will be fun, What tiers will be battling on it? I’d guess 5-10
narrow wave
My wish list.
Redesign Portbay
Redesign Mines. / open it only for tier7 and below.
Add Hill to Himmelsdorf. (Tired to be useless in a ez-2-pen tank) give me a purpose.
Stop with splitting the spawn for meds / heavies. (Causes heavies to head town on middleburg)
Put spawns Diagonally (in corners) to increase distance and widen flanks.
safe vine
I’d agree with all of those request except for himmelsomdorf
I like that map the way it is
true charm
I'm someone use LT with aggressive gameplay
It ends with 2type
Die or Live
nocturne mortar
Himmelsdorf could definitely do with a few more mounds/ridges. Hulldown tanks are near useless on the meds side and on the heavies side they arent that helpful either.
sudden trout
Is it me or does no one go to city on port bay, everyone yolo rushes the river?
quaint bay
Going city (it's not actually a city, it's a port) on port bay is an insta loss
knotty quartzBOT
ninotrix78#7557 was muted
grizzled mango
@sudden trout the reason for the yolo rush is the game is almost always decided by which team gets control of the area across the river first
Mediums and lights in that corner are almost impossible to dislodge
river canopy
Adding the hill to Himmelsdorf would turn it from the best map in the game, into another Middleburg, which is already the worst map in the game
sudden trout
I know about the mediums but i have had teams where is7s and e100 try getting the corner, crossing the river
grizzled mango
Heavies crossing is really dumb
sudden trout
There are also 2 other supremacy points one in port and 1 in city
grizzled mango
They have to stay on the down side of the river to interdict any reds crossing
The b cap is easy to shut down from the river side
river canopy
IS-7 is amazing when you cross. I always cross in the IS-7
sudden trout
And the TDs just camp at back behind ridge or bridge
grizzled mango
Russian heavies are somewhat faster I believe, so they may manage to cross better than an e100
river canopy
@sudden trout The reason why no one goes town on port bay, is because not only is there no cover, but it's also the low ground as well
sudden trout
No gun depression
river canopy
And it also offers no cap advantage, since the B cap on supremacy, as well as the encounter cap is easily controlled from the riverside
Also, you have to YOLO rush the riverside. If your team gets trapped behind the road on either side, your river corner tanks will be exposed to crossfire, and you'll have no cover or hulldown positions to work with
@sudden trout You don't need gun depression to play hulldown
grizzled mango
Hull down is just easier with gun depression
sudden trout
I was talking about the is7 taking the corner past river
river canopy
@sudden trout Most comp teams will send IS-7's and 113s to that corner for river based strats
grizzled mango
There are areas past the river where you can be hull down with bad gun depression
There is flatter ground behind the berm
river canopy
The whole area can be played with just 5 degrees of gun depression, not just the far corner
sudden trout
Im mostly talking about random battles, everyone floods the river section of the map and are prevented in progressing as there are TDs camping at the back ( stalemate) in which results in a yolo rush
keen hare
and all tier X heavies have atleast 6 FYI
and there's a huge difference between gravedigger/Predator 5 degrees and is7 6 degrees
grizzled mango
Yeah, 17% more gun depression
keen hare
And a much lower profile
pine meadow
BLITZ should make an area 51 map
lament widget
Faust
pine meadow
That's the German one
midnight jasper
Saw the new map looks nice about time for a more challenging map lots of places to hide and ambush
A jungle map would look nice to play on I would be a challenge in a high grass and a lots of trees to block your aiming
stiff dagger
Indeed
quaint bay
Vietnam
spare stag
Yes please a jungle map. <3
oak shore
We’ll have to wait for a while until they optimize destructible terrain to handle them
exotic crow
a jungle map would take up a lot of space
i feel like if they did make a jungle map it would be a small map
weak shadow
Maps with a lot of foliage are nearly impossible to create, because they take up a lot of processing power both server side and on the devices @exotic crow @midnight jasper @spare stag
The way camo rating works through the bushes is the one task that really puts a strain on the game. That's why it's simplified when compared to WoT PC and why there are less bushes on the maps than you might want to see. There's no way WG can make a jungle map with foliage to give camo, trees that can be knocked down, etc, etc ... without making the game nearly unplayable on basically any device
potent goblet
Elven forest map where most of the trees are huge and cannot be knocked down with bushes that act like walls/buildings instead of normal bushes and have some of the usual bushes that actually provide camo
tawny basin
make a Siegfried Line map
grizzled mango
German bias 😖
Maginot line map 🇫🇷
foggy carbon
French/ German bias make a Russian tanks factory map. 😂
tawny basin
k Maginot line map but there is a forest to sneak through 😏
grizzled mango
😈
hexed echo
i think a island map would be kind of chanlleging
pine meadow
Create an area 51 map
quaint bay
Forest map like the premium garage would be amazing
foggy carbon
Yeah. That would be cool.
rigid slate
I like the idea of an island map with ships in the background fighting each other type of thing
twilit basalt
Naval Frontier? Hello?
pine vector
Make a tropical version of naval frontier where only Japanese and American tanks would be able to play. Palau here we come.
analog marten
1 line of jap tanks...
twilit basalt
@pine vector perfect
woven bronze
Add that one gamemode from pc where one team defends their cap from the other team but make it on the Normandy map with the attacking team on the beach and the defending team on the other side
clear tangle
A map with open plains, a few hills and defilades, and a few houses.
And make that map big
woven bronze
Rip heavy tanks
twilit basalt
@pine meadow Faust in the desert
hot sun
@clear tangle Prokarovka?
pine meadow
@twilit basalt yes
clear tangle
@hot sun explain, por favor
hot sun
@clear tangle the city where 2nd ss panzer division fought in July 1943
delicate torrent
Is any chance wg will delete Faust and pearl of dynasty? Total bullshit maps
oak shore
Both maps are pretty good imo
nocturne mortar
Dynasty's pearl is not a good map. Unless you have armour you are going to struggle a lot and one spawn has much better camping spots.
faint hull
Mines, Dynasty's pearl, i think one more idk remember should be removed
nocturne mortar
Himmelsdorf needs a rework as well
faint hull
yeah
nocturne mortar
Other than that most maps work well although the town areas of maps could do with a but of love
hot sun
@pine meadow no we do not
foggy carbon
I don’t think mines should be deleted. Maybe just a rework to allow lts to do better on this map. As for dynasty’s pearl idk. It’s not that bad imo.
Himmelsdorf does need a rework. Too flat.
nocturne mortar
One team can sit basically at spawn and snipe the meds side while the other team cant. There is basically no good areas for most meds because they are all dominated by heavies that can take hits.
fast fossil
Lmao dynasty pearl? That's the map I mastered my grille, and hate the grille, it's just a peek a boom map or GD map
It's actually a great map for something with armour, light on the other hand have 0 room to work but I actually like that
nocturne mortar
Every type of tank should be able to work on every map. Mines sucks because TDs are way to powerful and meds are basically useless. Himmelsdorf sucks because basically every gd tank is useless except in a few specific spots. On dynasty's pearl meds and anything that cant bounce really struggles to do well and so the map needs changing 🤷
grizzled mango
Dynasty’s Pearl, Himmelsdorf, and Mines all need rework definitely. Faust however is among the best maps in the game. Every class and play style has spots they can use to good effect
river canopy
Don't you dare talk about touching Himmelsdorf. Himmelsdorf is the best map in the game, and is honestly also the most skill based map too
compact scaffold
Nah HD is all corridors eccept the middle which is a death trap for any tank. Lights and Meds that have weak turrets have nothing to do, TDs have maybe one good position acorss the entire map. Heavies are really the only tanks that actually enjoy Himmelsdorf since the entire map is set up for angling/sidescraping.
river canopy
@compact scaffold The one map I'm most comfortable playing in the Bat Chat is Himmelsdorf because Himmelsdorf is the only map where I'm guranteed to not have to fight some hull down brawl. All the little streets and alleys ensure that it's easy to run, hide, reset camo, flank, and create crossfires. Himmelsdorf is unforgiving if you're bad, but if you're good at rotations, it's great.
twilit basalt
@nocturne mortar Well on dynasty there's opportunities and good spots for every tank.... even tds ... which is rare nowadays.
foggy carbon
At least let HD be reworked. Like it’s all flat. Gd tanks are useless and tds got nothing to do. Tds don’t have many opportunities? Lmao. I should go make a meme.
nocturne mortar
@twilit basalt there are a few spots but most of them are easily countered by 1 heavy. 1 spawn has much better TD spots at the back and the rest of the spots need a bit or armour or a lot of luck.
twilit basalt
Really
keen hare
Himmelsdorf rail battles are stupid though. Its basically all luck of your team focusing firing
river canopy
Which is why you don't go rails ^
grizzled mango
My best non-heavy battles on Himmelsdorf are when the enemy team is all heavies and TDs, while I am the only light tank....
It’s a rare occurrence, but definitely a treat when it happens
quaint bay
The maps that really should be rebalanced are the ones where one side of the map has serious advantage over the other
(+mines ofc, coz that map is terrible)
The best example: port bay. If you get noob teams that go to port area, you know you already lost the game because the other side has a significant advantage
Or Black goldville, middleburg...
worn mortar
Canyon too. On one side you could win if you have an average team
fast fossil
Middle Berg needs 4 bases and supremacy only
quaint bay
Where would you put the 4th base?
fast fossil
Castilla needs a rework
quaint bay
Also supremacy only? U good?
fast fossil
I'd expand the map by 100m then shove 2 based on top
quaint bay
Castilla fine
fast fossil
No it's really not
nocturne mortar
Middelburg is a decent map. 2 city bases balences out anti-city meta. Both sides can work which is rare for a map with 2 distinct sides
worn mortar
Vineyard prob one of the best maps
quaint bay
No it is
fast fossil
One side you can camp in a TD and the other your spotted no matter what
quaint bay
City is wack on that map @nocturne mortar
fast fossil
I believe it's the south eastern side of the map
There is no high ground what so ever
nocturne mortar
You can get some great city battles but generally they are a bit too team dependent, if you recognise your team as being vaguely competent then it works. Adds an extra layer to the tactics which is nice
fast fossil
@quaint bay also my reasoning for supremacy only is bc that map is the map that teaches noobs that it's an effective strategy to cap
worn mortar
Yep
fast fossil
So I pretty much hate it bc "capping" is the meta
worn mortar
Vineyard is the best all round map
No surreal advantage on one side,both are pretty balanced and you need to think
fast fossil
Vineyards is just retarded
quaint bay
Lol then I'd never play on that map @fast fossil
worn mortar
Naw
fast fossil
Me neither which is exactly why I said that
I don't play supremacy and it would take the map out of rotation for me
worn mortar
So then what's the best map in your eyes.?
fast fossil
Naval frontier
worn mortar
What?
fast fossil
Big but not a camp fest, can flank without being spotted, has areas for both GD and non GD tanks to play very well
nocturne mortar
Its a nice map but GD meds dont really have any spots that are useful
fast fossil
And it's the only map I like supremacy on
@nocturne mortar not true if your a GD med with turret armour (even a little) you can go with your heavies and make a hard push
worn mortar
You can get spotted if you're flanking in a med
nocturne mortar
You are much less effective with the heavies than you are fighting meds there. You are basically stealing a GD heavies spot. It is definitely one of the better maps but not perfect
fast fossil
Most tanks won't get spotted if there isn't an enemy flank waiting for you
worn mortar
True @nocturne mortar
fast fossil
Also a GD med can go into (A area I think) where the heavies are and if you control that then it's easy to hold
But those are my arguments for frontier
worn mortar
I like vineyard cause it's to obvious where the enemy light,meds and heavies are like naval f4ontier (behind the bush) and you actually need to think. This is just my opinion.
fast fossil
Tbh after you play the maps long enough every spot is obvious
stone tendon
The new map looks huge ( size )
It’s going to be confusing in random battles for a while
quaint bay
now, we just need bigger matcmakings
river canopy
I would flat out remove Middleburg for being the worst map in the game. Half the map is unusable, the map is team dependent, and since half the map is unusable, it ends up being a 2 lane hull down brawl. On top of this, it's super defensive; it's nearly impossible to make a play without getting wrekt. The team that wins is the team that never attacks. Furthermore, it's unbalanced. The South spawn positions on the hill are slightly elevated compared to North Spawn leading them to win the hill fight more often.
If you've ever wanted a WoT map to simulate WW1 along the Aisne river, then Middleburg is a great map. But if you actually aren't a masochist, it's by far the worst map in the game
languid pollen
@river canopy Actually there are many more maps that have other half unused. That dynasty map is played only on the med side etc
river canopy
@languid pollen The difference is that those relatively unused sides are still playable. However, because the hill on Middleburg is so steep, crossfire and rotations between the 2 sides is impossible, unlike any other map. On Dynasty, I can flank and play through the town area if I want to, and still be effective. If I want to try that on Middleburg, I'll take a full minute, and get shot to pieces.
languid pollen
@river canopy Yeah but I've seen many times a win for side that just sticked to plan and didn't peek out and actually captured the base
But there are many like Mines, you have hard times flanking if you don't control the hill itself
quaint bay
Port bay is literally same as middleburg
languid pollen
@quaint bay no mediums = lost
And imagine playing in a soft tank like Grille. It's literally unusable on such maps
river canopy
It's virtually impossible to cap on Middleburg if the enemy has any competent players because they can play hull down areas and peel away the town defenders like an onion. And often, the town team will be full of poor players who try to trade shots with enemies on the high ground on the outskirts of town.
On Mines,it can be hard to flank, but if you manage to flank, it can actually be devastating because of the crossfire it can create.. On Middleburg, if you flank, all the enemy has to do is turn their guns at you and shoot you no problem from elevated positions.
quaint bay
Every time I get port bay in Fv4005, I know I will be useless
river canopy
@quaint bay Port Bay is also pretty garbage, but there are some fun hills to climb, and it's less unbalanced than Middleburg
languid pollen
@river canopy Let's agree it's all team dependant Because every situation can be lost thank to bad players and vice versa
@quaint bay cough dynasty pearl with the grille cough
river canopy
All maps are team dependent to a degree, but a high skilled player can have a much greater impact on some maps like Himmelsdorf as compared to garbage maps like Middleburg
quaint bay
That map is hell for TDs @languid pollen
languid pollen
@river canopy I'd disagree with this one. You can't do much with a light tank when enemy heavies are doing their job properly
river canopy
I rarely lose on Himmelsdorf playing the Bat Chat. Since there are so many streets and alleys dividing the map, there's always a spot where I can rotate through unspotted
languid pollen
@river canopy But it's not the best map for brawling with IS4 and E100 spam
river canopy
Because you can always rotate across the map unspotted in the right places, you're never forced to frontally brawl heavies. It's very easy to simply make a quick flank, crossfire them, and move onto the next target
languid pollen
@river canopy Yeah and meet few TDs camping in the back
river canopy
The second those TDs are lit, your teammates will send them to the garage nearly instantly
There's not many places for TDs to hide on Himmelsdorf
languid pollen
@quaint bay ofc not frontally but that map isn't like Yamato xyz I can't remember the name where you can move to the other half of the map and spot em/shoot em
@river canopy you must be playing a different game than me
@river canopy When heavies are hiding behind these houses or stuff that's around most TDs camp behind that last building and in a light tank in this scenario you can only flank them with the very last street near to the border of the map.
While on let's say desert maps you have huge area to move around stay unspotted
river canopy
Desert maps are terrible for light tanks. You get great intital spots, but if the enemy splits, you run out of places to go very quickly
languid pollen
And I'm not even talking about static gameplay when teams are scared to move because of 183s
@river canopy I think the opposite 😂. If the enemy team is together you can flank and you will outspot em. You can't do that on mines, Himmelsdorf etc
There's just no space for it
river canopy
Where are you going to flank on Oasis Palms for instance? A single TD in their spawn can shut down most areas for you to go, and all it takes is one additional heavy on both sides to completely control are your lanes of movement. You'll be forced to fight something frontally no matter what
On Himmelsdorf, on the heavy alley, there are 2 lanes, there's a lane though the courtyard, and 2 lanes through the rails, as well as the streets that run parallel to the spawns
No team can cover all lanes well enough. It's not possible
river canopy
@languid pollen Please tell me where you intend to go here
Just these 3 positions is enough to shut down essentially the entire map
And this is just 3 tanks. There will be other tanks too, adding even more angles and positions you will have to deal with
Where do you go? Nowhere. There's nowhere to move without being shot, or being forced to take some frontal hulldown brawl
languid pollen
Tell me where you want to flank in a BC when you have only these 2 streets available
And there are most of the time tanks sitting
While here, where team usually go to the desert you have half of the map for you
And you spot every single tank there
river canopy
@languid pollen same case for the other side here
3 tanks can shut down the entire map on an open desert map
languid pollen
But I am talking about the fact that in early battle stage BC is useless on Himmelsdorf
Like you can do nothing when TDs camp there
river canopy
By contrast, Himmelsdorf needs at least 5
languid pollen
All it takes is to turn the turret to shoot the BC while on sand maps you can stay unspotted
City streets arent good for light tanks and nobody plays in the middle
river canopy
You can stay unspotted on desert maps, but to what effect? You can't do anything without eventually having to brawl something
If no one is actively controlling the courtyard, you can use it to great effect
languid pollen
My feeling that you are playing different game is getting stronger. You must have different meta on the NA server 😂
Its like playing a tank without gun depression on Mines. Not the best scenario that can happen
river canopy
My feeling is that you just don't manage to see the opportunities on Himmelsdorf fast enough to use them
If you know what you're doing, there's ALWAYS an opening on Himmelsdorf you can exploit
The same cannot be said for desert and open maps
languid pollen
Of course there is but you cant play the sneaky way
You will literally be spotted second you peek out
On Himm. tanks stick together
river canopy
What does it matter? You peek out, shoot them in the side, and force them to decide whether they turn around and try to force you to stop shooting and get shot in the side by teammates, or they can keep facing your teammates and get shot by you
If they turn around to try and do something about you, you move on to the next opening you have created
languid pollen
Yeah with few TDs sitting in the back and heavies camping near the middle building I will keep coming back via those 2 streets 🤦🏻
river canopy
How can you even talk about TDs being a threat on Himmelsdorf? HImmelsdorf is universally regarded as being one of the worst TD maps in the game 🤦
languid pollen
They literally sit at the far back 90 percent of the time
river canopy
And?
You can still outspot them you know...
And no one is forcing you to deal with the TDs first, you can push the heavies out of position first (and that is generally easier too)
And also, let's not forget TDs are turretless, you get 2 easy shots in them before they can even turn to face you
languid pollen
This is pointless, your point is that I can endlessly peek, spot and shoot using 2 streets 5m wide while your teammates are going to push em and its this simple.
river canopy
Teammates dont need to push, all they need to do is shoot tanks that are in front of them
languid pollen
We all know how capable they are 😂
river canopy
Teammates generally suck, but teammates at least know where the fire button is. If there's a tank in front of them, they're usually good enough to shoot at it
Teammates only suck when forced to deal with threats from multiple directions
languid pollen
Yeah but there are these piles of trash or whatever it is where enemy can hide
and various buildings
its very static map when team is together on one side
river canopy
All the hull down spots on Himmelsdorf can be dismantled from the side
You just force the enemy out of position one by one, and they will collapse
river canopy
The first position is useless because you cannot accomplish anything from there, so I wouldn't waste my time. The second position can be dismantled from the courtyard, from going around behind along the far edge of D, or from the rails
stuck fox
Just out of curiosity, where do you go on the A side if you don't go to that spot? @river canopy
river canopy
I never go A because A is useless early game
There's no way to exert control on the rest of the map from A
It's only useful as a flank route in the mid game
languid pollen
@river canopy Useless? It's literally only spot you can take there. Also I can just move behind the building regarding the first picture. You can do nothing about that because you must stay in the open to force me out
river canopy
If you move behind the building, I can still flank you along the far edge of D, and I can also shoot you from the street parallel to the spawn, and by forcing you back, you can no longer exert control over the tanks in front of you at D
languid pollen
@river canopy you can't flank me. My whole is4 is covered by the building
river canopy
@languid pollen these are all the different angles I can use to flush you out
languid pollen
First picture scenario, I have my TDs at the back so when you push there you gonna get spotted and I have my meds near the train
@river canopy I corrected myself, first pic talk
river canopy
@languid pollen If you're relying on supporting tanks, I'll just work on dealing with outermost guys first. I don't have to deal with you first
languid pollen
You must have God version of BC if you can kill whole TD setup and then get my back without nobody noticing
river canopy
TD's are usually the last to go
languid pollen
@river canopy Your red sketches are pretty unusable because it takes 1s to hide from every single one of em
river canopy
You'll still bleed for it, which is what matters
languid pollen
The only diagonal isn't even working
river canopy
I don't need to kill you, I just need to force you out of position
languid pollen
@river canopy But then why we talking about BC becuse now you arent using any of it's advantages
You don't need any pro view range to disturb TDs
You don't need much speed nor clip
While on desert maps I can outspot you all day long, and hide behind the dunes in few secs
And still stay unspotted
river canopy
- All I play is BC, and 2, the clip lets me put out 2 shots in most circumstances. The speed also lets me find openings faster than other tanks
@languid pollen I don't care if you outspot me on a desert map, I'm spotted in a hulldown? Who cares? There's nothing you can do about it
stuck fox
Say you're in a batchat and the rest of your team is heavies and TDs and they all go D. The red team has two meds that go train, two TDs at the back of D and three heavies at D. Your team is bleeding because of stupid pokes and you're going to have two meds on your flank. What do you do with a batchat then? You can't push D because of you'll get nuked and you can't go A because you'll get double teamed by their meds. @river canopy
river canopy
@stuck fox When their meds push up, you can use the streets and alleys in the spawn to lure them into a trap, and kill them
Then when you clear them, you have essentially the whole map to work with
languid pollen
I'm trying to tell you that flanking there on Himm or using your view range is less effective than on other maps but you still saying you will just flank like there aren't other teammates
@river canopy kill 2 meds with a BC in closed streets
Impressive
river canopy
As long as teammates are controlling one of the streets parallel to the spawn, it can be done
@languid pollen View range doesn't matter in pubs. I run camo net on the Bat
languid pollen
Nobody else has moved except meds and you
@river canopy personal preference I'd say
river canopy
Vision is literally the least important factor in pub matches
languid pollen
I'm not going to discuss this
stuck fox
Say their meds are fighting the TDs passively from the othe end of your spawn and aren't going to push @river canopy
languid pollen
I mean I understand what you are talking about but in general it isn't the best map for the BC @river canopy
river canopy
You really don't have any options other than push at that point, but that's a worst case scenario where your team is that bad, and the enemy is that good
But that scenario is so incredibly rare in pubs
stuck fox
I know I'm being a devils advocate. I've gotten into a couple situations like that and I was just wondering what you do in games such as those
river canopy
Normally, I pick the side I think the team has a greater chance of winning a push on, and I'll push something, or probably just try to sneak in some shots from a distance
Although I won't deny that losing on Himmelsdorf is very possible, I'm just arguing that these unworkable scenarios are far rarer on Himmelsdorf than other maps like Oasis Palms for instance
stuck fox
I know. I was just thinking up situations like that for himmelsdorf because that was the map you two were talking about
river canopy
Think about how specific that scenario you just described for Himmelsdorf is, and compare that to Oasis where I can just put down 3 tanks in super common positions and shut down the whole map. One scenario is far more common than the other
languid pollen
Well on Oasis whole team is hulldown and TDs at the back right
river canopy
Exactly. That happens every match. And there's literally nothing you can do about it
languid pollen
TDs are forced by you to move there and it's easy then to keep them like in cage
river canopy
It doesn't matter if you can stay unspotted if you have no way of damaging the enemy without waiting for them to make mistakes
languid pollen
But they are in closed area without bases when playing supremacy or chance of running away
river canopy
So basically, you wait for them to make mistakes.... That's not a good way to play. Victory is always more assured when you're the one in a position to make something happen
languid pollen
While on Himmelsdorf you can just yolo around sneak one shot in and then do it again unless someone realizes you are coming again
@river canopy I'm not waiting for anyone, just spot the camping tanks at the back making them useless
And they are usually isolated
river canopy
How are you going to spot those tanks behind bushes?
river canopy
Common, but not guranteed. You have no way of dealing with those guys until you clear the heavies/meds in front of them... which are hull down... and you can't deal with the heavies because the TDs will snipe you if you do
If the enemy splits, you are guranteed to have to take some sort of frontal brawl
languid pollen
@river canopy Usually I run over the dunes to spot whoever is coming and then I go the desert to spot the TDs.
While on Himmelsdorf I can't do much if they are all in group at the back
river canopy
And TD's dont group at the back on Oasis?
You literally cannot spot the TDs without first having to brawl something in front of them
TDs on Oasis have these things called bushes that negate your view range
languid pollen
@river canopy in front of em?! There's nothing only meds and you are coming from the desert
river canopy
So... you still have to brawl the meds
languid pollen
They are watching the desert and you can spot em first
What meds
They aren't there
On the opposite side
river canopy
What do you mean by desert? that's not descriptive at all. The whole map is desert/dunes
languid pollen
On your pic it's the right side
My bad
Usually teams go there so the left side is open
river canopy
So then you're essentially praying that nothing went there. Also, the nature of open maps means that battles happen faster, giving you less time to actually do stuff
grizzled mango
🍿
river canopy
And if something did go there, you have 0 options
stuck fox
This is one of the few useful conversations in this server 👀
grizzled mango
Yes, I m loving it
river canopy
Battles on Oasis are very quick, and having a tank out of the fight will often mean the collapse of a team very quickly
If you take 2 minutes to take your sweet time driving from the dunes, to your spawn, to the town side dunes, then to their spawn, there's a good chance you've already lost by then
And that's assuming nothing went town. If something did go town, you're once again forced to brawl something frontally
languid pollen
@river canopy I've already told you I go spot to see
So you don't have to tell me my tactics are about praying
river canopy
ok, that's a moot point, but if you do see something, the end result is still the same. You're forced to take some sort of frontal fight
Congrats on spotting a hull down heavy tank. Great info!
languid pollen
@river canopy Same as on Himmelsdorf. You can't drive around and shoot back of tanks endlessly
river canopy
The difference is that on an open map, one tank is enough to control an entire side. On Himmelsdorf, it takes 2-3
Because it takes far more forces to control an area on Himmelsdorf, there are more openings to exploit
languid pollen
Next time you play on Himmelsdorf send me your replay I want to see your strategies with static is4s hidden and TDs at the back
@river canopy you mean narrow streets that are useless for the bc?
river canopy
Narrow streets are perfectly fine if there's no one to watch them
If Blitz had large player counts, like 10v10, or 15v15, Himmelsdorf would be terrible
languid pollen
So we ignoring meds then huh
river canopy
But it's only 7v7, which almost gurantees that there are openings
languid pollen
Takes one yolo with a medium to kill BC in these streets
If you run on open, everybody can see you. Of course you are visible too
river canopy
Look at all these assumptions that you are making to break my argument. You're assuming that they have TDs in the back, that they have meds to chase me, that they have heavies in hulldowns. Look at all these pieces you need to put in place to engineer a loss for me. I only need to place 3 tanks in common spots to break your argument for Oasis
Of course any map can be broken if you have everything in place needed to engineer a loss. But very rarely will all these things be in place
languid pollen
@river canopy okay I'm fine with the fact that I can meet someone there or it may take me too long. But you are describing Himmelsdorf as best map for light tanks to fight current static gameplay at tier X
Like you ignoring how the map is being played
Or maybe on NA you have it differently I don't know
grizzled mango
I have found Himmelsdorf easier in a light tank when there are no lights or meds on the the enemy team. Perhaps since there is only one light in tier 10 that happens more often?
languid pollen
@grizzled mango no meds or lights? Rare I suppose
river canopy
It's a matter of probabilities. I'm not talking about comps where these things can be engineered. In pubs, all the pieces needed to make Himmelsdorf hard for the bat chat rarely fall into place
However, on open maps like Oasis, the pieces needed to make life hard for the bat chat very commonly are in place, since far fewer of them are needed
languid pollen
Okay time to move to the NA becuse you don't have hulldown heavies there and TDs at the back
Bb eu
grizzled mango
Maybe the tier 10 meta is different, but I generally like Oasis in my Ru and SP 1c
river canopy
Of course we do, but very rarely do we have enough hull down heavies in all the right spots, TDs in the back, and meds all at the same time to control the entire map and shut it down
The sheer number of things that need to be controlled make it extremely unlikely for all of them to happen at the same time outside of competitive
languid pollen
@river canopy it takes one IS tank near the building where they are hulldown and 1-2 TDs at the back that can shoot you because as I said you have literally 2 streets to come from
mental abyss
I honestly never have too much trouble with lights and meds on himmelsdorf
river canopy
No, you need 2 IS tanks to control both sides of D, 2 TDs at the back to control the flank streets, someone in a window to control the courtyard, and 2 meds to control the rails
languid pollen
...
river canopy
The odds of ALL that happening in one match? Really low odds
grizzled mango
Tanks are not locked statically in one position though
Once they know you are on the flank, they can shift their position accordingly, right?
languid pollen
You probably running extra PC for all the calculations becuse I'd get focused if I just ran from the middle wanting to shoot IS once
@grizzled mango yolo
That's what happens
river canopy
@grizzled mango No battle is fought alone. If you can drag the enemy into line of sight of your teammates, they will get shot at
grizzled mango
The TDs in the back can shift behind cover...
I may be thinking wrongly because I am a bit of a noob
languid pollen
As I said next time you on Himmelsdorf save your replay and send it to me. I'm seriously looking forward to seeing this extravagant tactics in action because they sound strange to apply
river canopy
@languid pollen They're not extravagant because most of the time the enemy will not play perfectly
languid pollen
@river canopy I count with the fact you can't rely on your teammates
And with the fact that they can fight 5v2 whole day not realizing something is wrong
river canopy
The only thing I count on my teammates to do is shoot tanks in front of them
mental abyss
Haha ya
languid pollen
No that's too much to want from them
river canopy
I know it's fun to call players bad, but if EU players are so bad that they can't shoot tanks in front of them, I'd probably be an 80%er on EU
languid pollen
@river canopy well I can't jugde but it would be interesting to make an account on NA ( Eu for you)
hybrid chasm
I learned a lot from this conversation guys, tysm. I hate himmel as a light, that might help me out.
nocturne mortar
@river canopy you severely underestimate the power that the EU playerbase has of being useless
languid pollen
@hybrid chasm irony?
languid pollen
You never know how it's meant if it's online
Sorry, let me apologise
@hybrid chasm
hybrid chasm
Np 😃
brazen pine
@river canopy Thank you for this. This is going to be very helpful. Once, I heard from a top player that Oasis Palms medium route was "weak," but he didn't say why when I asked him since he was so angry at me calling medium route. Is this the reason it is weak? @languid pollen Although after watching the argument, I disagree with you for the most part, it was definitely helpful that you presented the other side in many different ways and showed how @river canopy could be wrong.
bright stirrup
What was the argument about?
brazen pine
Whether or not the BC was useful on Himmelsdorf compared to maps like Oasis Palms. I highly suggest reading it, but it starts 300+ messages up, near the start of yesterday's block of chat
languid pollen
@brazen pine From my experience his ideas are not very useful. Of course they work and I can't disagree with that but often I've come across similar situations and I don't feel flanking from 2 streets or going straight from the middle could work
Also I feel very strong possibility in flanking from desert but he didn't agree
brazen pine
thanks
river canopy
@brazen pine The medium side of Oasis is still fairly strong in pub matches because of the hull down cover it provides, and the ability to snipe into town, which is why it’s better for well armored tanks like heavies. In competitive, it’s not as strong though, since an organized team can make it difficult to push into town though, but pub teams lack the patience and organization to do such
foggy carbon
Lts all suck on himmelsdorf. There are no ridges and the are pretty much just 4 big alleys to go down and get wrecked. Needs a rework
copper hearth
the hill needs to be able to be used
vivid horizon
agreed . tho it wud be a camp fest at hill
quaint bay
Oh🤣
river canopy
The hill would just turn it into Middleburg, but worse. And Middleburg is already the worst map in the game
proper flicker
I'm fine with dynasty's pearl, I just never use one side of the map unless I have to xD
north quartz
proper flicker
Nah, Canyon is pretty strategic, I’m starting to open up to the abandoned town more because it actually can do a lot for a heavy player like me
pine meadow
I hate canyon in my Löwe
Ever time I drive it any direction (not B tho) I get spotted and lose half of my health before I reach a or B
gaunt bronze
K
proper flicker
How about don’t do that, you can actually heavy B with the gun depression and try to survive there
short rover
not really anywhere good to go on canyon except for b, but you'd just get tunneled down by spawn camping tds
¯_(ツ)_/¯
pine meadow
Ya a Lowe sucks at b u get hammered from the sides like c and a
twilit basalt
@river canopy exactly, thanks for saying that. The large one-sided hill makes it like that tier 1-2 map with 2 big hills on each side spawn that was removed from PC
austere lark
@quaint bay English only
magic sedge
@river canopy @potent shore dynasty is such a selective map. By that I mean, if your team isn’t going a very specific direction or you’re not using a very specific vehicle.... you’re screwed.
knotty quartzBOT
Андрей шатал рандом#8278 has been warned.
torn minnow
I would like to ask if it is possible to change the brigness of the sky in the normandy map because I'm living in Normandy and the sky is way more bright
halcyon wren
its in wartime and the landings took place at around 6AM GMT
torn minnow
okay but event at 6:00 am the sky is still brighter
halcyon wren
today, yeah, but back then, no
torn minnow
Do you live in France ?
halcyon wren
used to for 5 years, some of my relatives live there also
torn minnow
okay them I am sorry
I just ask because when I play on the map I have some difficulties to see people's tank in Realistic Battles most of the time around the bases C and D
grizzled mango
This may be a dumb question, but have you turned up your screen brightness?
As far as the landings go, they were done right around sunrise on an overcast day (it was just a small break in a major storm system) so it would have been fairly dim
twilit basalt
@torn minnow Maybe fiddle around with settings, graphics...brightness...do remember that the map is set in early June, while it's mid summer right now
tired grotto
I feel like the Mirage map needs a major re work. Its terrible for flanks and heavies barely have any cover besides the water fall or the big middle part. To many kids camp on that map and bring us lossses.
void shale
Heavies can utilize Hull down areas in the dunes, it may be better to have your mediums scout first so you don't get torn to shreds first but if the coast is clear (no pun intended) then it would be wise to move with them.
I understand that light tanks and mediums tanks don't always perform scouting duty but if your team is constantly moving try to keep up with them.
If you cannot and you have an additional heavy falling behind with you, it might be wise to stop, and dig in.
proper flicker
I usually just go past rails and have a good fight there, if they wanna come over then they’ll have to get through me tunneling them through the bottom of the train
stone tendon
I wonder why this was cancelled
quaint bay
water
foggy carbon
Is that mines in development?
ornate silo
Maybe fix op medium spot on aphenstadt 🤔
slate tundra
Old mines I think.
I think problem with mines is more of symmetry and equality? IMO
magic sedge
@slate tundra new mines map
foggy carbon
cool
slate tundra
New mines but it was terminated?
stone tendon
Yes
eager tide
It was being reworked and they told us about it on social media, nothing since then... shame really
vocal hill
It looks like the area that the lighthouse is on may be obtainable then... op for TDs?
opal smelt
oh hecc mines
solid gust
Mines is fine. What needs fixing is freaking Castilla.
All Castilla is, is two opposed ridges that td’s camp on, and cannon fodder frantically run between.
Terrible design.
nocturne mortar
Castilla is much better than mines because the town and church are effective places that arent completely dominated by camping TDs. Mines is definitely not fine because 2 TDs with slight situational awareness can prevent any pushes from anywhere.
pine meadow
yes but mines is mostly used for the lower tier so they can practice and I don't want them to delete it it's a fun map
midnight jasper
They do need more new maps to play in like open air areas so you can shoot farther and some different city maps
foggy carbon
I think they have enough they just need to rework the bad ones
frosty zodiac
Wasn't there a map named waste land? Why isn't it anymore?
slate tundra
It was a disaster in public games? Map had not much difference in terrain for each class of vehicles and generally boring I guess. Removed because of a poll
austere lark
It was also only for mad games
quaint bay
At first it was mad games only, but it was in randoms for 1 update @austere lark
slate tundra
Yes and I HATED it HAHA
solid gust
@nocturne mortar Except TD’s do completely dominate the church, and they can completely dominate the town thanks to numerous sight lines through it. At least on mines, you actually know where the td’s are likely to be, and can avoid them. Camping isn’t mandated on mines, it is on Castilla.
nocturne mortar
"Camping isnt mandated on mines"
You get at least 3 campers on each team every battle, generally TDs but meds and heavies like to do it too. On Castilla you have effective cover to get close to the TDs without taking shots. It is also very common for the TDs to completely ignore the town and so you get free farming. The church is not dominated by TDs because there are lots of points that the TDs cannot shoot.
solid gust
You get at least three, but it isn’t mandated. You don’t have to have campers on Mines to be effective. On Castilla, you will lose if you don’t have campers.
On Castilla, the church is dominated by td’s not because they can fire on every position in it, but because they have sight lines through every position, say, a med, might have to move through to be effective. Same thing with town.
So I suppose what I should say is, any td with a brain will definitely dominate the town or church.
solid gust
On Mines, a clever medium can completely negate a camper’s advantage. A clever medium, or a gun depression heavy or t110e3 can do the same thing but in a different way.
nocturne mortar
There are so many places around the church where you can move under cover. If you are under the impression that the TDs camping there have a brain them you can assume the player has a brain and can use cover, watch reloads, etc then the church and the town are definitely not dominated by TDs.
If you dont have campers on mines then you are completely screwed because you will get flanked very early and you will get massacred. On Castille if you dont have campers you can still be effective. You have many more positiona where you can do damage apart from the ridge.
proper flicker
I find the AMX 40 is really good at holding town on Mines
vagrant geyser
there is nothing more irrelevant than the best tank to hold the town on mines at tier 4😂
foggy carbon
Yes. Cus who plays that teir?
proper flicker
Well I was helping someone grind, thank goodness it hit tier V
fallow gate
'it' he says lmao.
proper flicker
The grind, not sure whether to say the grind again or just... it
fallow gate
?
proper flicker
I dunno
fallow gate
same dont worry
proper flicker
So it’s a chicken fight without the bottom people, sounds very normal in random battles too
fallow gate
agreed
sturdy osprey
same
quaint bay
Pfff
Cataclysm map was very nice and it was pretty map in game
proper flicker
Castilla you mean?
copper hearth
what's castilla?
foggy carbon
Or maybe that desert one for mad games?
fast fossil
Wasteland?
proper flicker
Oh right, it was Catalyst, not Cataclysm, neither Castilla
ripe wren
@proper flicker never go into town on mines map. Perhaps in tier 8 you can flank, but stick to holding hill with your AMX40
proper flicker
Not with my inexistent French gun depression and lacking speed 😂
It runs really well when I go town with my bud who caps and distracts them so our team can take hill, and then I defend him and eventually cap/seek out the last ones
ripe wren
@proper flicker your job is to bounce shots and stop red heavies from taking hill. No need to go over ridge
proper flicker
I can hold off in town 😂
I pick the rest of the enemies who are weak from trying to charge over hill, no skill is really required in low tiers against these peeps
ripe wren
@proper flicker capping base is effective to put pressure on reds but a good team will ignore you and take advantage of 6 v 7 game
proper flicker
I go town because nobody else does, it’s a great way to flank/rush the reds to divert enemies onto my sidescraping ducky
ripe wren
@proper flicker there is very little cover in town from crossfire and your gun is really not in game if reds decide to take hill
proper flicker
Look, it just works really well for me so 👀
This was one of the games in the OP tank so it kinda was an auto-win but I still went town and caused chaos
ripe wren
@proper flicker i would disagree from experience on lower tiers. But It's a standard move in high tier games
proper flicker
Carry in the duck .-.
ripe wren
@proper flicker why is your team dead?
proper flicker
Because they couldn't handle the neutron style, it doesn't matter if I win to me
ripe wren
@proper flicker play away then, if you think it works. I of course have already see the results of that strategy many times in lower tiers.
proper flicker
I do it mainly for fun and I can't rely on low tier teams anymore : P
And because my toonmate did it a lot on World of Tanks and now that he got Blitz I wanted to help him out
quaint bay
can we at lease have wasteland available in training rooms?
chilly ibex
people voted to have wasteland removed. that was in the early days of the WoTB discord. Don't expect it to come back
steep quest
Love wasteland map....it whips up sand storms which potentially more realistic than ord maps
quaint bay
Didn’t it also reduce view range when that happened?
primal slate
Anybody got any advice for playing a td on port bay
quaint bay
One get a grille or 183
quaint bay
And two don’t get hit by a high damaging shell. Chances are you lose a ton of hp or getting ammoracked
restive stone
Kinda off-topic, but does anyone know what these are? (File size too big, so have to send them separately)
1/3
2/3
3/3
proper vessel
easter egg?
restive stone
I think so, but I don’t get what they’re referencing
slate tundra
im guessing their usernames of significant players? in what way i dont know
proper vessel
what map is this
royal osprey
Vineyards
subtle sun
I want to play all day long on Alpenstadt ❤
amber plume
All of them are players. @restive stone
eternal moss
people who designed the map most likely
restive stone
@amber plume Thanks, any ideas as to what kind?
amber plume
Idk. But I know one of these players had an IS6Fearless. Other than that not much else
restive stone
Maybe vets or beta testers then
foggy carbon
Did they win like a tourney or something?
coarse wyvern
@restive stone i'ts a new easter eggs i sink
median zodiac
Pls loop song
quaint bay
It was a limited tank but something weird happened to it which caused it to be permanently removed from the game
proper vessel
nah is6 fearless has been around for ages
it was a skin on the is6 i believe avaliable as a package to buy
native void
Is there anything interesting on the map Vineyards?
I found something that I never noticed before.
proper vessel
what is it
native void
I hear music in the town on there. You can only hear it in the town.
quaint bay
IS-6 fearless never should have been sold.
proper vessel
@quaint bay whats wrong with it
native void
IS-6 fearless was put in an event shop by mistake.
proper vessel
@native void i nver have my volume on 😦 i know im missing out
quaint bay
It was a prize for a offline comp and was supposed to be exclusive to the players who won it.
Selling it at a later date was not cool.
proper vessel
wait hang on it was sold? my impression was that i could only be won a long time ago
native void
I’m testing some new headphones after... what happened to my last pair.
During the offline comp there was a gift shop for players during the event. It was accidentally put in that shop on accident for a few hours before being taken down.
quaint bay
It was a huge mess. It was put in the store and then pulled from the shop. Then it was taken from the players who bought it and they were given a refund. Then the folks who bought it threw a fit and it was returned to them.
Long story short it should have never been in the shop to begin with.
native void
They took the tank away and gave everyone there gold back. However they gave the tank back and let them keep the gold.
quaint bay
It was a huge mess... And not really a topic for #maps-discussion so let's move on please
lucid tangle
castilla is still one of the best maps that hasn’t been touched for ages, although I wish it can get a revamp in graphics
halcyon wren
boi what, its one of the best maps ever how do u think its bad
glass zodiac
I hate the snow map
proper vessel
i like castilla, as well as dead rails/winter malinovka (which one are you talking about @glass zodiac ). the map i hate is the one that is sort of green, and on one side you push up to like a fortress thingy thats really high and everyone camps, and you cant shoot across the map
keen hare
they need to remove the corner camping spot in deadrail
Not the one in the valley, thats fine IMO, Youg et spotted there you get rekt, im talking the one on the other corner. Its way too stupid. You get a nice little bush, some hard cover to retreat etc
proper vessel
yes
the other corner is a bit stupid, the otehr side has quite a bit of ongestion with the meds too
potent goblet
Castilla is my favorite map usually
proper vessel
im a fan of dead rails, desert sands, and a few others. mostly the orriginal maps. i dislike faust
foggy carbon
Hmmm all the maps are good except a few: mines, dynasty’s pearl and Castilla(only cus it’s a camp fest)
proper flicker
Dynasty’s Pearl is quite unhealthy for turretless TDs 😐
grizzled mango
I prefer fort despair to mines in the low tiers
proper vessel
i dislike mines in every tank but my cent where i just show turret
copperfield is bad tho, its good that it doesnt show up in higher tiers
glass zodiac
@proper vessel winter malinovka
proper vessel
nah i like it
clear tangle
They need to drastivally revamp fort despair
stuck fox
Mines, port bay, and dynasty's pearl all need reworks before fort despair
void shale
Agreed
quaint bay
I loved the old mines the new one isn’t as aggressive as the old one where all heavies are being halted at that one rock
proper vessel
nah i dislike fort despair, i think mines has a place in lower tiers
i love port bay, but you either all go left or right, and theres no cross fire between the left and right
dynasty's pearl needs a heavy rework, i have lost most battles there, but thatas just my two cents
sleek forum
I am fine with Mines for low tier (as you said @proper vessel) but it sucks for high tier Russian Heavies and most heavies
hexed echo
they should weather effects on some maps
stuck fox
They need to fix the current maps before they add extra stuff
hexed echo
oh
small ivy
toggleable
fickle wyvern
New phones can haldle better graphics so why not to improve enviroment effects or even better to change the whole look of the game like what they've done in wot PC with the new graphics without changing the system requirements instead of adding cosmetic items
chilly ibex
one of the biggest maps?
quaint bay
Yeah but a lot of ppl still have iPhone 6s or old Motos or Galaxies. You'd be surprised that not many people have an iPhone X or S10
If WG mess with the game engine it could render a lot of devices incompatible
I think they've nailed the graphics for mobile, even on low it looks geat
bronze finch
Ok
boreal tree
@proper flicker ya that's right!
ocean flare
I want to get on the train bridges
lilac flower
we'll find a way im sure
ill be pushing teir ones onto it in my fv I can garentee that
robust knot
Game is really well optimized, and it should stay that way
mild horizon
New Bay will be the best map in the game
ripe wren
@mild horizon great for camping in
mild horizon
😂
ocean flare
kemp bush
midnight jasper
The. new map looks real nice can’t wait to play it
fringe herald
New York isn't it?
midnight jasper
Yes it is New York
The next map they do should be like Arizona that hase mounted and a dessert with hills and valleys
Other maps should be like Egypt and England Russia Japan South American and other places
For a start
fringe herald
I was waiting for Berlin~
sleek forum
laughs in Stalingrad
quaint bay
@midnight jasper
If you want an American Desert map...
You gotta do an Area 51 map.
We gotta get some ayy lmao cheeks clapped.
sudden void
small ivy
Cough vineyard cough
copper hearth
but Faust
ripe wren
How about a gladiatorial arena? No rocks or bushes, but flat or with deep craters. The arena itself could be in a huge crater (with central peak). Sort of gladiator meets Apollo.
copper hearth
Maybe a battle that takes place in a Cave System, just try to make the ceiling as high as possible so the camera doesn't move forwards or backwards
the ceiling could just be well... nothingness, just an endless void
not trying to turn this into a type of different discussion but hey, look at Pikmin, look how the caves are designed, that could help... I guess... ¯_(ツ)_/¯
empty merlin
What about an Antartic map with secret bases underground?
copper hearth
maybe a map that takes place underwater?
slate tundra
haha sounds cool but idk I wouldnt like that
flint jewel
gray void
austere lark
I love the description
midnight jasper
All maps would be nice / the maps must be a challenge to all tanks that fast and slow // some of the maps also need tank traps that are unseen and tank barriers and tank R-I-D that also unseen in the maps
Also with these new features the other side the red team could be all hit just by not being seen on the map they would just as easily blowen up
rich linden
It would be nice to pick wich map we wanna play
ripe wren
@rich linden with a larger player base I think it's possible
lament widget
A race track that only T95s can race on
eager tide
Don’t post nonsensical messages @lilac flower
lilac flower
no... I dont think I will
lilac flower
i
am
CAT
@quaint bay
im actualy a shape shifter... im aI owl aswell... deal with it
ripe wren
@quaint bay once we all have super computers in our phones it will be possible
midnight jasper
Nice cats
slate tundra
I want the race track :(
echo pecan
we have a normandie map but I think everyone knows the battle of Arnhem in the Netherlands. It seems nice to have a map.
and there was fierce fighting among others the English, Americans vs the Germans with a big panzer devision
austere lark
@quaint bay an Ardennes Forest map would be amazing
knotty quartzBOT
UniversalTacoCat#8762 was muted
subtle sun
I want a Australian Map. Maybe Sydney.
dull ocean
I don't know where to ask so I will do it here
Someone can tell me about where me need to go in Rockfield when Im palying with a tank destroyer?
valid swift
Usually in the bushes on the hilly flank. Also depends on the TD. Problem is, everyone knows to fire blind shots into those bushes as they’re popular spots, so expect some activity. I believe that’s the C-flag flank.
misty ember
lol amen brother
native void
That would give me a headache.
void shale
When the water's reflection Texture doesn't load:
Water, Water Everywhere, but not a drop in sight
potent goblet
I wouldn't drink that water if i were you. Though if you're seeing water that looks like that perhaps you've already drank it.
valid swift
Did you feel funny drinking that?
ripe wren
@dull ocean at the back behind you team. However you must move forward as red meds may flank and catch you unprotected. There are also way to go on top of a hillock to put in shots into A base. C base is bad for TDs as the only good place is behind bush and rock on the flanks.
dull ocean
@ripe wren thank you
I never know where to go..... This helped me a lot
nocturne mortar
TDs should be agressive on rockfields. The few camping spots are useless for most of the battle. The best thing to do is to find an area, like the far side of C, that cannot be shot without the reds exposing too much. The only useful spots for staying back are near the back beind bushes but they are well known and so you need to be careful. The other side is used much less but there are alright crossfire positions to the other side. @dull ocean
pine beacon
WG must remove map rudniki from tier X battle. it's too small to play tier X.
slate tundra
New Bay map train tracks can be utilised smartly by teams like RA1D?
oak shore
Everyone's still learning the layout
slate tundra
No I mean there is a part where you are blocked from climbing onto train tracks but at the same time you just need like 1 Maus and maybe 1 more tank to get a tank on the tracks. The tracks stretch across whole map so is it supposed/not supposed to be accdssible
midnight jasper
Has anyone played the new map
icy juniper
some people apparently ^^^ but not me @midnight jasper
marsh river
new map is AMAZING gg wg
midnight jasper
Ok
marsh nymph
proper vessel
i meant on the map, theres buildings everywhere
nocturne mortar
A map where i cant camp at spawn??? What can i possibly do??? Oh wait i forgot, i can just complain about it 🤦
queen stream
Hmmm i haven't gotten the new baby map I play in a tier 7 why
frail steeple
hello
quaint bay
@queen stream I got it but only once in like 20 battles
queen stream
Holy shish @quaint bay
grizzled mango
@proper vessel there are plenty of sneaky lanes of fire a sniper can use. You just need to figure out where the reds are going before picking your spot
proper vessel
@grizzled mango i mean on the new bay map specifically. i can't depress far enough to shoot down from the highway without exposng myself in a borsig and otherwise its street fighting. im fine with a TD on other maps 😅
grizzled mango
I was meaning on the new bay map. Every battle I have had so far I have ended up taking some pretty long shots. However, I will admit it is very easy to suddenly get way too close to the enemy before you spot them. Lots of blind corners
quaint bay
How about having some maps that like really resemble a WW2 experience? Normandy is just amazing but imagine how fun it'd be if we had more open maps like Tarawa, where japanese tanks would actually fit in amazing. As of now, we only have Yamato Harbor for the japanese tech tree; and many other real ww2 battle locations.
amber plume
You don't understand how hard it is to create a map that resembles a place (city, battle location, river etc.) And make it balanced at the same time.
quaint bay
I was never excluding terms of balance & difficulty. But if this is looked upon, I'm more than sure none of these will be a problem.
But, according to your logic, making new maps is hard enough not to even consider a suggestion.
copper hearth
campers complaining about no camp spots 😂
excluding TD drivers
the map is actually good, teaches players to fight near the front or at the front, etc. instead of camping with their heavies
cerulean bobcat
Itching to find out
ocean basin
I’ve been on the new map. My VK 100.01 p really didn’t travel very far. The buildings are nice to sidescrape off of.
half arch
i've played two matches and one test match in a private room, idk it feels really awkward, im not used to all the enemies being on the front line
talking about new bay
also shouldn't port pay be renamed to old bay
half arch
most importantly there isn't much room to stop the enemy once they start pushing you all at once
proper flicker
That’s the beauty of rushing, which is hard to coordinate in random battles. It causes chaos
stone tendon
I love the new bay map, no camping!
past spade
I have problem fps on malinkova ( something like this ) am I Alone ? Around 30 fps
atomic knoll
Is it just my eye's your is that Knob Hill in the Background ?
void dawn
Eh wait
potent shore
@void dawn its not a requirement to be immature. in fact, its frowned upon
lilac perch
hollow willow
quaint bay
We need new maps
still carbon
I don’t really like New Bay. It really feels like it favors heavy gameplay, whereas I prefer fast medium and light tank gameplay. The passive spotting opportunities seem minimal and the chances to flank the enemy and inflict damage seems kinda lacking, as it’s really a bunch of corridors that lead into the main force...
At least that’s my experience. If anyone wants to enlighten me as to how to play lights and fast meds better on it I’d be happy to listen
toxic crown
So Faust is the only night map huh?
slate tundra
New Bay
- Takes time to move between the top section and bottom section
- Ramps can be trap where you're exposed and can't get the gun down
- Lack of ridges compared to other maps, the top is pretty flat except metal girders for the bridge, only ridge is the ramp
- city is like idk it's too much of a city model than a map the streets are long and no actual cover or obstacles except the street junctions then you can hide behind walls, only thing helping is uneven terrain height of streets otherwise it's too plain
small ivy
i though they were doing a dessert map as well, yes?
slate tundra
Yea no updates since that time