vehicles-discussion

[balmy compass]

It feels good a block shots, besides you never know if that teamate you saved would actually do something helpful

[violet timber]

There is no reason to not block for the team unless you aren't confident in your own angling abilities.

[merry current]

? at this point im just confused
maus is really easy to play, it just takes positioning skill since its so slow

[balmy compass]

Be a exceptional meatbag and block shots for your team 👍

[merry current]

ah yes be the meatbag while ur team does nothing because pub players are always bad
if u play maus solely for the team ur not going to get anywhere

[plucky summit]

If you play solo you're not going to get anywhere B)

[strange thicket]

pub players just sit there and don't take shots on my team too !

[merry current]

relying on toonmates is a crutch, solo is the best way to improve skill quickly

[violet timber]

The more shots a pub player can take, the more chance they have to actually hit a shot!

[balmy compass]

More chance to steal your kill 👍
But at least that helps your team

[strange thicket]

too much sweat?

[balmy compass]

I tried using sarcasm

[strange thicket]

yeah i was being sarcastic too lol

[violet timber]

No, I need that kill

[merry current]

imagine trying to teamplay and trusting ur teammates when u can farm off them and increase ur chances of winning because u have higher battle impact

[strange thicket]

just play E100 then

[violet timber]

If you want to farm, you don't take a Maus lol

[hollow notch]

In a maus you give them enough time to put work in no matter how bad they are.

[balmy compass]

I trust my 4 teamates to kill this 1 shot heavy while I go kill this annoying TDS

[merry current]

my maus is one of my highest wr heavies, not because im teamplaying, but because i have the survivability to get into more advanced positions which can give my team a higher chance of winning

[hollow notch]

Ah yes
Brute forcing choke points for your team isn't teamplay

[merry current]

who said im brute forcing choke points? im able to solo hold and prevent or stall and enemy push, or soak some dmg to create a crossfire

[violet timber]

Wow, almost like your blocking damage for your team so they can farm.

[plucky summit]

I thought we were talking about winning, not getting better as a player

[strange thicket]

how are you gonna get into a 1v1 anyway, beg the enemy heavies to engage you one at a time?
also you are kinda doing what they said 😂

[hollow notch]

Solo holding is literally allowing your teammates to tear apart the weaker areas that the enemies have gone to.

That is team playing.

The only way to not play for the team in a maus is to sit at the back corner and camp.

[merry current]

but im not blocking dmg for my team, im creating a different angle for the enemies because i have the survivability to hold by myself, or to get into aggressive positions

by ur definition me flanking and farming in my meds is teamplay because im lowering the enemies hp

[violet timber]

So preventing the enemies from pushing onto your team, or letting your team create a crossfire is not team play? Alright dude, you do you

[hollow notch]

The maus is a tank for eating shells.
Are you eating shells? Yes? Then shells are not being directed at your teammates. This is team playing

[merry current]

at this point solo flanking is teamplay because im killing enemies

[balmy compass]

Exceptional meatbag gaming

[violet timber]

Solo flanking is farming

[merry current]

using hard cover to block LoS, and only engaging 1 enemy at a time so i dont have to angle to multiple enemies

[hollow notch]

If it's a 1v5 in your solo flank and you hold them off while your 6v2 crushed the reds then comes to help you, yes. This is indeed team playing.

[merry current]

farming dmg is teamplaying because im making the enemies easier to kill for my teammates 😤

[hollow notch]

Keeping many reds occupied is that the maus is for. If you keep guns off your allies for as long as possible, it allows your team to have the advantage.

[strange thicket]

that is still not a 1v1. the enemy can easily push or try to peek from 2 angles at a time in the same direction.
how are you gonna make 3 heavies(exp) peek 1 at a time? what stops them from peaking all 3?
and at this point you are uhh
blocking damage for the team

[merry current]

positioning and using hard cover???
its very rare for players to all push together in pubs, so its not hard to isolate 1v1 engagements

[hollow notch]

A full health unscratched maus at the end of the game that then dies horribly in a 1v7 is not a team playing maus. Any other one is.

[strange thicket]

yes i did indeed have positioning and hard cover in mind. my argument is still the same

[balmy compass]

I mean, most of the time people get scared to peek unless they know I shot, if the first person peeks and I shoot him, the rest peek afterward letting me block all of them

[strange thicket]

eh, it is pubs so i guess that is fair

[balmy compass]

Fear factor is funny

[merry current]

this isnt comp where u have ppl pushing extremely close together
in pubs most players are scattered, and most of the time only 1 is going to peek at at time unless ur in the open

[scarlet kernel]

Chi nu kai (shinobi) and angry connor (archer) review

In my opinion,
Tanks good? = mediocre
Fun to play = i would say archer is more fun to play

The main thing with this two is the credit making,
you are able to get more credit from higher tier tanks (prem or not) however you need to actually play and do good
But this two tank allow you to just relax, make sure you deal dmg and still make creds

The bundle itself tho, i hate that the 25 x5 EXP booster is reserved only for the shinobi

[acoustic galleon]

10K gold for tier 5 is insane, if you want to make credits the Löwe and Super Pershing exist. The Löwe is sold for just 5K gold on Lions Day with its legendary camo, its a way better deal.

[blissful osprey]

Both suck for your money just buy a Shark

[violet timber]

The Lowe is decent, or at least was Till the Lowe replacement Keiler came out

[strange thicket]

does the keiler have the same credit coefficient ?

[blissful osprey]

Well, I meant the Chi Nu and the Archer, but alright. We'll add the Lowe to the list.

[strange thicket]

add the pershing
at least lowe has usable stats

[blissful osprey]

Oh right, forgot the Spersh

[scarlet kernel]

Well in the end it's up to you if you wanna buy it, it's your gold

I just bought it cause i want a jap prem, and also that i couldn't help myself buying the archer

Edit : but if you wanna talk about the price i think the archer is more worth it

[mystic canyon]

Is M48 Patton worth the grind?

[scarlet kernel]

Haven't played it but it seem like a good tank

[misty wing]

If you have the M60, not really. Otherwise yes

[warm agate]

Give me the Tank build KV-1

[misty wing]

?

[umbral hamlet]

60TP, IS-7

[spice pine]

How can I grind lines without being bored? I need some fun tanks to grind so that I don’t lose interest immediately after playing

[solid gate]

Getting close to moving away from Nashorn what's best line the ST. Emil or the Jpanther to pick?

[strange thicket]

Grille 15 is a much better line the tier 10 is arguably better than the jagd but has a hugely higher skill ceiling

[solid gate]

Ah ok thank you

[exotic narwhal]

2 shells or 3 shells gun for the M V Yoh?

[empty helm]

Damage or DPM

[hollow notch]

The only tank that isn't amazing in the jag100 line is tier 8
6 dpm comedy
7 thicc armor+ juicy gun
8 annoying armor profile to work with, but a good gun
9 spicy gun with workable armor
10 thiccest td

[thorny smelt]

Panzerjager Tiger P: slow but you're prepared for Jagdtiger
Jagdpanther II: weak hull but great mobility and DPM

[nimble topaz]

Finally

[past fractal]

For tier 6-8

They also have very decent mobility

[violet timber]

Yes

[strange thicket]

tier 7s is better, true.
rhm > both jagd predecessors any day
wt > jagd, infinitely more flexible
10? yeah no grille all day

[balmy compass]

I would prefer Jagdpanther I over St. Emil

[hot tendon]

tier 8 good just yolo med side

[hollow notch]

Give the jagtiger more credit. That things a beast, just in a different way than the wt

Grille takes skill to play
The jag100 needs less to do well

[exotic narwhal]

Is it worth to buy Angry Connor for credit earner?

[balmy compass]

Buy Lowe

[exotic narwhal]

Ok thank you

[strange thicket]

yes jagtiger is a beast, after all it was one of my first high damage tanks back then.
but no doubt the WT is better
and yes grille takes skill to play which is pointed out
i just don't want anyone to fall into the jag100 again. maybe i just irrationally hate it

[hollow notch]

The jag100 can be really good. The only thing that really holds it back is not having a proper heavy hp pool
It's got high dpm and pen with massive alpha to work with.

[strange thicket]

gun just trolls me wayy too much

[hollow notch]

Can't miss if you face hug >:)

[thick trout]

Watch me :')

[strange thicket]

lmao

[violet timber]

Oh look, a butterfly!

[hollow notch]

Lol
Please gib sauce

[hard cedar]

Oh my

[solid gate]

Is the e100 worth grinding for as the first tier 10

[loud flicker]

I don’t know I’m about to get the e75

Do you know about the e75 of it’s good or not I really like the tiger two it’s a monster when it’s used right

[timid wharf]

E75 is t9 tiger two, you play in the exact same way except you are t9 instead of t8. And a bigger gun tier for tier. Both tanks just sidescrape and hide cupolas

abuse your armour against t8s cause the cant pen your lower plate without pramo

[balmy compass]

E75 has a stronger upper plate but a weak lower plate

[timid wharf]

still strong lower plate though

[violet timber]

Only against tier 8s

[brave juniper]

Dang wg really stole some designs from quartz UM labs(or whatever the season pass/event mode defender agency is called)

And the super secret new tier XI boss class(not tech tree, collector or prem) m60A15-ver3

all fake ofc but I found these vids enjoyable 🤔

[dim pollen]

Look at tht swag lol

[dim pollen]

E75 is a monster in tier 9 too. Has a scary gun, scary frontal armor, scary weight, but the engine is a bit slow.

Watch out for TDs and prammo. Ur frontal plate is still pennable for the mentioned above.

[solid gate]

Lol

[rugged shale]

I kinda want to see some more Girls Und Panzer tanks added to world of tanks or more camouflages at least

[acoustic galleon]

They need to add the GuP crew voices like in PC.

[scarlet kernel]

What about special events with this ?

[acoustic galleon]

Wargaming have said they aren't going to add the Japanese super heavies.

[trail rover]

yeah the tier 5 on wot pc is nearly as big as the maus, there is no way they would fit in

[umbral hamlet]

what about: no
if they wanted to add it, they would've put it in the new Japanese ht line

[thorny smelt]

Looks like O-I Experimental to me

[rugged shale]

Quality

[scarlet kernel]

Silly people, not as a tech tree or a premium or the ww1 and t49A event

Just like the duck mode, it got it's own map, and imagine if like 3 players control 1 tank
Or we can control all the turrets

Why is everytime i or someone else talk about something non related to the core game itself and we all know isn't going to be added people just go "nO It'S GouNNa BrEaK tHe gAmE"

Like litterally wot pc channel on youtube made a community post about the end of heavy tank, and leopard 1 prototypes containing the word "guided missiles" Someone goes "NYo WEgeE doNf aDD eM LoK At BilTZ"

Like dude... The post is not even about adding it to the game, or even plan to...

[strange thicket]

yeah well you would expect people to talk about stuff related to the game in related channels

[scarlet kernel]

The problem is they don't read and understand the sentence

They just see one key word and like "ima type something"

look at this, tell me this isn't annoying

[strange thicket]

plus when you said special event it wasn't clear that you meant something like duck mode, so you aren't clear of fault either

[past fractal]

Looks like a standard b

[scarlet kernel]

^ my point
also yes i would like to clarify, but none of the reply goes "what special event?"
or something. just goes, "no they already add another jap ht"

[strange thicket]

well that is how conversations go
you assume what the words meant and reply based upon them
and that is what they did, that is why you have to clarify

[scarlet kernel]

still it's annoying when you say something like
"the ATGM are a great weapons on future combat"
and then players go "NO DON'T ADD MISSILE!"

[strange thicket]

lmao

[valid gale]

I mean doesn’t really show an example just shows players being dumb

And a game that relies on team play with a mode that heavily relies on coordination that has a player base with infamously outnumbered skilled players is not a good idea

[scarlet kernel]

poeple being dumb makes me angry, and i hate my brain for focusing on them

[meager viper]

are the t-34-3 good?

[strange thicket]

not easy to make it work. it is decent but requires skill

[weak sparrow]

ferd or jp 2

[strange thicket]

got skill? jp2
still new to the game? ferd

[thorny smelt]

Panzerjager Tiger P: slow but you're prepared for Jagdtiger
Jagdpanther II: weak hull but great mobility and DPM

[hollow belfry]

Jagdpanther II all the way

[weak sparrow]

Ok

[frozen seal]

Which one is better?,tog 2 or blasteroid?

[acoustic galleon]

Both are just memes.

[thorny smelt]

I'd rather sell it. I'm not playing with tier 6s anymore.

[acoustic galleon]

Some tier 6s are fun.

[misty wing]

I haven't ground the jageroo but I would take Ferdinand for the history, looks, and name :P

[thorny smelt]

I still have the Kryos

[thorny smelt]

Well it still exists to this day

[umbral hamlet]

Tog should probably be better, but it's still not worth it

[livid moss]

Is fv4005 line tanks good?

[strange thicket]

yes but very hard to play

[livid moss]

If a medium tank player plays that line so more defeat?

[acoustic galleon]

The gun handling on the Standard feels closer to a heavy than a medium.

[past fractal]

Weird thing

T32 has 14 km/h reverse speed

[strange thicket]

i don't think that is quite right

handling minus equipment

[past fractal]

As red as 268 v4

[strange thicket]

only tank that has same base dispersion, is the is8 which is a heavium

[last latch]

Tips for Nashorn?

[scarlet sequoia]

Hide

[orchid dagger]

Pls someone help🙏. Is the KV5 good???

[shy hound]

Should I buy the t92e1, t54e1, t54, or object 84 (tier 9 to t100lt) All tier nines btw

[shy hound]

Armor is op, idk about gun

[orchid dagger]

Would you buy it though??

[shy hound]

Yes, but I don’t have enough gold

[orchid dagger]

T92e1 gets away with anything. And the hesh is powerful. definitely go for it

[shy hound]

Then I will

I enjoyed the t49 so I probably will enjoy t92e1

[last latch]

Anything else

[scarlet sequoia]

Nope

[hollow notch]

Warning in advance, the t49 at least has some dpm to work with. The t92 has complete trash tier dpm.

Also, the stock gun on the 92 is actually fairly solid. Don't bother frexing the top gun, grind it.

[mental basalt]

World of Tanks Blitz

Umm i need help dciding between jadpanzer 2 and ferdinand

[balmy compass]

Jagdpanther II
Fernies armor isn’t worth the slower speed and traverse

[shy hound]

Jagpanzer is so much better

[mental basalt]

ok i have decided jadpanzer

[balmy compass]

but thats the tier VI

[mental basalt]

jadpanzer 2

[balmy compass]

😬

[thorn rampart]

😇

uhhhhh

KV-II*

KV-II*（i meab TOG II*）

🥳🥳🥳

[violet timber]

No

[solid gate]

do you know when they sell cromwell b again?

i really need it for my 7thArmored account.

[plucky summit]

It is 🤷‍♂️

[violet timber]

It’s armor still doesn’t work

[plucky summit]

I get that it’s based on sheer penetration, red or clear, but it’s still very troll, and the gun buff helped it a lot

[violet timber]

The tank is certainly better than it was, but as of right now the answer is just to buy either the Celestial or 252u

[solid gate]

guys guide on british mediums?

[plucky summit]

Well when the question is whether the KV-5 is good or not, referring to other tanks to buy isn’t exactly a straight answer

But I guess the armor is technically just unusable. It sure is a gravity tank, though ;)

[violet timber]

I’m terrified of them in gravity, that’s why I use my 130pm to jump to unreachable spots for heavies

[plucky summit]

While 168 is more purposed, at least KV-5 has a more convenient gun, and its more nimble

Some people even have the courage (or lack of knowledge) to try and ram one themselves

I took 1600 off a foolish Chrysler K once

[violet timber]

168 is easier to dodge, KV gets much faster

[kind flicker]

tips for grinding chaffee

[short sail]

The BP tog is worse than the premium tog,
BP tog has just about double the reload time, and 9mm less pen then the regular tog

[violet timber]

1. You are looking at your tog while fully equipped. It's reload isn't too much longer, about 2 seconds more or so.

2. You have calibrated shells equipped. They are the same penetration values.

3. Why are you running speed boost, small fuel, and cali on the tog???

[valid gale]

The consumables is default load out may have misread

[violet timber]

Even still, they've kitted out the rest of the tank. If they were going to change the consumables, I would assume they would have done it by now

[kind flicker]

bp tog has 40 more damage

[mystic sleet]

No, the Kv-6 was never in the game, due to the fact that a) the crew would just be having a bad time all the time and b) because it was made as a kitbash of multiple tank models

[scarlet sequoia]

The kv6 was never irl

[mystic sleet]

Yeah, I said that it was a kitbash of two tank models @scarlet sequoia . Maybe I worded it poorly tho

[scarlet sequoia]

Even if they added it, only one turret will work lol

[mystic sleet]

And it would just be a worse Shinobi or KV-5 lol

[scarlet sequoia]

The double barrel 152 will be sacry tho

1800 if ur using he, good bye all LTs

[dreamy osprey]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/KxzVK-JXKshxN95pkWY4RGEm6AMKppcyYLza2n8CH24/%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dc06e91776c70493c973dd32143232b937379c04c/https/preview.redd.it/8512g0mibnd61.jpg

new tonk, lets go

[balmy compass]

looks ugly

[sour crown]

JagdAbrams

[frozen belfry]

I want a Johnny deep tank as a Jack sparrow :) i am ready to buy it even it costs 100€ 😃

[opaque flicker]

T28/M1A3

[balmy compass]

its a horrid sight to my eyes

[opaque flicker]

Honestly I'm okay with it, if the enemy saw what looks like a German tank destroyer from WWII in modern American technology, theyd probably be terrified

Plus imagine how fast it would be, a tank destroyer usually carried alot of weaponry so America would probably study to make their average abrams armor more durable while making it slanted, removing the turret, that's an insane advantage against enemy territory considering they have no idea what just shredded one of their vehicles in the blink of an eye whilst a nightmare tank is driving 80mph towards them

[sour crown]

Huge disadvantages is urban warfare tho

[opaque flicker]

And honestly due to that it would be called the M2A3-Tac, a completely separate tank from its urban all terrain brother

[sour crown]

creating tanks that only have the purpose to invade unknown deserts seems kinda shady tho

[opaque flicker]

What do think Germany did to literally every desert area they saw?

[sour crown]

That was like a century ago

[opaque flicker]

Wow, WWII was actually nearly a century ago

It's around 60-70 years old, and still left a mark on this planet and its inhabitants

But still, huge advantage and knowing America theyd attach 3 50 caliber machine guns ontop, 2 facing the front, 1 facing the back

Heck, throw a mortar launcher ontop of it aswell, make it literal hell for the enemy to fight it

[sour crown]

Truly extraordinady, yes

[sour crown]

Keep adding stuff and you will end up creating driving bunkers like the germans in wwii

[opaque flicker]

Except these driving bunkers go 3× faster, and with more technology and a better gun

Honestly, if America unironically made a tank like this, theyd probably conquer alot of areas in war

[safe cedar]

Foch 155 needs something its just sad atm.

[opaque flicker]

Throw a bicycle on it for decoration

[sour crown]

Much more desireable would be a world without any war tho

So maybe defensive tanks would be better

[safe cedar]

Yes, thats what it was missing all along. Now my gunner can run off and bake a croque monsieur for the crew improving aim tim and dispersion, genius.

[opaque flicker]

That's why it's called a driving bunker

[opaque flicker]

Whaaaat? Its france, I mean look at the Charles! It's a TD with a bike

[sour crown]

How about 1° more gun elevation

[opaque flicker]

Oh jesus christ.. thought of a Foch 155 variant.

Foch 155 with a turret like the T110E3

[safe cedar]

2° more gun arc, maybe 1° more gun depression, like 3 more traverse, and a hull armour buff. In exchange for a little nerf of hp/t, and slightly worse clip reload.

[opaque flicker]

Hmm.. make the rear more HE vulnerable to slightly balance it

[safe cedar]

Sure 190/80/25

[opaque flicker]

I do have a question though

Why cant the Tog family be in the tech tree? Theres the Tog I* and Tog II*, just throw out random things infront of it, wargaming doesnt really care about making up tank designs and names

Actually, I take that back, this would be really scary to fight on the battlefield

Well.. Tog I actually looks like it would belong in the game as a tier V

[sour crown]

We dont need more togs

We need tanks like the Sturmpanzer IV and Sturmpanzer V
Especially the Sturmpanzer V

[opaque flicker]

No, anything but the sturm

A sturm could single shot tanks with 300 penetration and 2000 damage per shot

[sour crown]

No, that would be the Sturmpanzer VI
I want the V and IV

[opaque flicker]

What comes after them?

[sour crown]

Wdym

[opaque flicker]

If they were in the tech tree, what would come after them when going up a tier?

[sour crown]

They would probably just be an alternative way for the Jagdpanzer E100

[opaque flicker]

Eh true, but imagine a TOG the size of a maus

[sweet whale]

I swear to god these guns are the same looking model (but they arent for some reason). I had to go thru such a paintful grind for the t54s top gun…

[opaque flicker]

Oh no, not the same model, one is thinner and with a different muzzle tip at the end, different balance on the cannon and the other is longer

Also what tanks are those?

[sweet whale]

But such a SMALL difference. And they both 100mms from the SU-100M1 and T-54

[opaque flicker]

Ah I see, they're both Soviet tanks, alot of designers back then reused the same designs but its usually what's behind the gun is what matters, the loader and firing arm, and the type of shell they use

[sweet whale]

Also they are both the same length cuz a part of the SU’s gun i still hidden in the mantlet

[sour crown]

A gun barrel is like a wheel
Humanity doesnt have to invent a never seen before barrel design for each tank it makes

[opaque flicker]

Exactly, just like how a 357 magnum can have a longer barrel, but still be as affective just at longer ranges

[sweet whale]

The barrel is that long actualy or even more

[sweet whale]

Both same shell type (ap, heat)

[opaque flicker]

That's just the game, the game says "AP" or whatever, but alot of the time shells used different tips, shapes, but remained the same caliber

[sweet whale]

Also these guns never existed on these tanks nor am i sure the SU existed

[opaque flicker]

Just like a 357 again, could use normal bullets, or hollow point bullets

[opaque flicker]

Oh the SU-100 did exist, the others not so much

[plucky merlin]

Fv4005 is such a good tank

[sour crown]

Again:
They are the same gun
One is called "100mm D-54"
And the other one "100mm D-54S"

[opaque flicker]

Never fought it, dont know

[sweet whale]

Ye ok i get the point now. Btw the SU-100M1 didnt exist and the T-54 existed

[plucky merlin]

3 shell 460 dmg autoloader it pumps out damage so fast

[opaque flicker]

Sounds.. very balanced

[plucky merlin]

Well its turret is the balance its huge and 14 mm at tier 10

[opaque flicker]

Oh okay then, so its accuracy and pen sucks?

[sweet whale]

The SU-101 did exist tho

[plucky merlin]

Nope all those things are very nice

[opaque flicker]

So did the KV-2, it was meant for more of.. destroying bunkers, like the U.S T95, the German Sturmpanzer VI, etc

[sour crown]

It can be penetrated with HE shells from all sides and it is huge. Thats the balance

[opaque flicker]

Armor is balanced, but gun isnt, what else?

[plucky merlin]

Gun is very good but it has a very bad hull and huge hull

[sour crown]

No no
Gun very strong
Armor very bad
Strong+bad=balance

[opaque flicker]

You have to balance it out with more than just nerfing the armor, it needs to be weak, more likely to get crew injuries and ammo rack crits, more likely to have an engine fire and make its speed acceptable

A tank cant just be "armor bad = balance", it had to be somewhat fightable without always using a specific ammo type

[plucky merlin]

Trust me hull is good enough of a balance

[sour crown]

Exactly
You dont need all that if you get two hitted by a Jagdpanzer E100, and are too slow and big to hide

[merry current]

Size of the tank is more of a balancing factor than the overly weak armor

[opaque flicker]

But doesnt weak armor mean more likely to get injured crew?

[plucky merlin]

If u play it right and keep poking dumping mags and then hide it is very good if they can hit u ur done

[opaque flicker]

Oh so.. peeking game? I can play that

[merry current]

Not necessarily, modules/crews are in different places for each tank
HE has more splash dmg so on average ur getting more module/crew dmg than other shells for the same tank

[opaque flicker]

Ah I see, my entire time I've been using HE's for weak tanks and I didnt know it had higher chance of crew damage

[plucky merlin]

Yes but the hull size and turret not turning 360 is a problem

[merry current]

4005 is a great tank, but requires more skill to play it right

[opaque flicker]

But yeah, anyways yall gonna talk about how easy it is to ammo rack crit a Sherman firefly?

Just hit it in the side of the hull right below the turret and boom, critical damage, I shot it again without aiming and exploded its ammo rack

[plucky merlin]

I just did a 4.5k game with the fv4005 on the map with a center hill

[opaque flicker]

Same goes with the Tiger I, you only need to aim specifically to crit their ammo rack

@plucky merlin oh cool, how much health was left?

[plucky merlin]

I am not sure but i wasnt very low on health just under 50 percent

[opaque flicker]

Dang, I guess not alot of people know how to fight the Fv4005

[plucky merlin]

Most of it was splash damage on the roof of the tank

[plucky merlin]

Mag dumping then i hide very usefull they wanted to capture the base which was their mistake

[opaque flicker]

Reminds me of a time the enemy team was really not paying attention, me and an SU-100 just sat there capturing the base and taking some shots while the enemies just drove past us doing nothing else to fight back after being shot at, I was in my TOG II* while another TOG II* was casually fighting alongside my teammates

We shot them and they continued driving, not bothering to look over because it was at Fort Despair, they were already behind the big building by the time they reacted

[plucky merlin]

Well i gotta admit there was a yoh and lt100 focused on me

[plucky merlin]

Such people i dont understand that tunnel vision

[opaque flicker]

I have no clue, if I were them, of course I'd fight back, they just took health from me

I'd swing right around and fight them with as many shots as I can possibly fire into them before running out of ammo or dying

[plucky merlin]

Same or just blocking there path so allies can shoot too

[opaque flicker]

Yeah the TOG II* is good when it dies, your teammates can use your tank as a barrier to shoot over

[kind flicker]

kv2 turret angling moment

[solid gate]

The brithish light tanks or the destroyer that come after sherman firefly not at

[plucky merlin]

Thats indeed nice this battlepass tog seems interesting too

[wintry orchid]

Get the lights, 4005 is called shtbarn for a reason

[solid gate]

@wintry orchid wait i don t know why 4005 is called a sh*tbarn can you explain

[merry current]

Because it's the size of a barn and it was considered shit (from wot pc)

[wintry orchid]

No armour, slow, giant profile. Only thing it has going for it is the gun

[solid gate]

So what the best TD and don t your dare say object 263

[kind flicker]

rn prob 268v4

[merry current]

Foch am not biased at all
Best overall prob 268
268/4 kinda garbage ngl, has the worst t10 td gun for op armor, except use hard cover instead smh

[solid gate]

Im free to play and i meant object 268

[sweet whale]

Didnt you get warn for “language”?

[wintry orchid]

JG E100 or 268

[solid gate]

@wintry orchid i said no object 268

[umbral hamlet]

no prammo 💀
also no calibrated

[wintry orchid]

But it is good

[solid gate]

@wintry orchid i don t give a f*uck

[wintry orchid]

Why

Grind is easy and tank is good @solid gate

Vents is bad in blitz. Also get gold it’s really cheap

[plucky merlin]

Hmm ill consider it but atm i have no problems at all so i dont see the reason to change it yk

[wintry orchid]

Get calibrated on all clippers

[merry current]

be a gamer and run vents on 4005

[wintry orchid]

And srsly just carry two clips of gold or so it’ll help you in this one game you’d lose otherwise

[plucky merlin]

Solved?

[wintry orchid]

Yes says my inner monk

[plucky merlin]

294 pen do be very nice ngl

[merry current]

I personally run improved engine boost, ret cal, multi
Double food spall liner
Use less HE, 10 is enough

[plucky merlin]

Also i suck in wotb but for some reason i do very well in fv4005

[wintry orchid]

Double food is not so useful since the small food only gives 3% crew skill which is 1.5% stat enhancement. The big fuel boosts engine power by straight 10%

[solid gate]

@wintry orchid that why where is the challange there not and if there none what do you fell that you acomplish a easy tank that allmost everbody has what so special about it anyway nothing because it got popular and people are like this is the best and then a light tank pull on their ass and they are like o sh*t any td can get popular and people influence other people to influence other people to say this is the best td is can happen to any td

[merry current]

U only go like 35kmh engine power doesn't matter that much
Every little margin counts, I even run vents on mine cuz it doesn't need the pen

[wintry orchid]

If you get circled often you have to look into playing tds once again

[plucky merlin]

I got my fv4005 how i like it tbh

[wintry orchid]

Well I don’t own the tank but I feel in this giant paper tank I’d rather pull back faster before getting obliterated than getting .3 sec off my clip reload

[solid gate]

For example prople say arl v39 is trash but i enjoy playing it i research the tier 7 before even research su 100

[boreal spruce]

i do like my arl, its cute and the big gun is nice

[merry current]

It has really good acceleration already, also increases ur accuracy by a little bit

[wintry orchid]

Yes but 1.5% really

[solid gate]

@boreal spruce the frech has the big Guns

[wintry orchid]

Nah not really

[boreal spruce]

average calbires per tier, i find the obj268 has the largest guns then the grille 15 line.

[plucky merlin]

Im gonna get myself the m60 because it has a lamp or a tv idk

[boreal spruce]

cause it looks nice? yess. personally i think the m48 is more appealing

[lyric copper]

its for night vision

IR emmitter

[plucky merlin]

I like the m60 design alot and ppl may get triggered for just buying it because it looks cool

[plucky merlin]

Ir emitter what does it do on the battlefield iknow its for remotes normally

[merry current]

Front looks cool rear 🤮

[lyric copper]

infrared allows for night vision

[solid gate]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wwiipics/comments/pubqai/two_german_soldiers_munch_on_a_crusty_baguette/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb

[plucky merlin]

Thats sick and for some reason the m60 has more detailed wheels which i dont understand why

[lyric copper]

extra work was done on its textures, you can see a similar thing with the old BT-7 and BT-7 art.

[plucky merlin]

Then it triggers me that the t57 heavy pbr still has less detail on those wheels compared to m60 but thats just me being annoyed is there anything good on the m60 compared to the m48

[wintry orchid]

Better gun dep and little better accuracy iirc just look it up on blitzstars tank compare

[lyric copper]

other than looks, the M60 and M48 are almost the same statwise

here they are

[merry current]

m60 has better ufp but bigger lfp
Worse side armor

Both are pretty bad imo cuz they're so tall it's hard to make use of shallower ridges, would take an stb even with lower dpm

[solid gate]

@boreal spruce actualy FV215B has the biggest gun sitting at 183 mm

[plucky merlin]

Hmmm i see well i know enough its gonna catch dust but atleast nice one for collection

[merry current]

I regret getting m60 ive only played like 2 battles and benched it
Altho I was getting the crates mostly for shark

[lyric copper]

as in average gun size for the whole line

which the 268 line consistently has a 152mm in every tier from the SU152

the 183 line goes from tiny guns to a massive 183mm

[plucky merlin]

50 percent why i want is for collection reasons but crates are a no go for me unless its one of those lucky crates or tank or gold crate

[umbral hamlet]

mmm yes def very well 💀 💀

[fleet berry]

Roary#3781 has been warned.

[lyric oriole]

I run vents in most of my Autoloaders

Only reason why is because I know where/how to aim and I rarely need the penetration boost

[slender anchor]

@lyric oriole #blitz-memes video

[lyric oriole]

I'd rather have the small accuracy, view range and slight mobility stat boost

[merry current]

pen does matter for autoloaders tho, i only run vents on 4005 because its the only autoloading td (besides foch but foch is more likely to face frontal armor), 50 dpm and like 0.00X dispersion isnt worth 10-15mm extra pen, especially when every shot matters in autoloaders

[lyric oriole]

Personal opinion, I can get where it's it's definitely a better choice for most people

[plucky summit]

I'd say a turreted tank (as well as a faster one) is more likely to see the NOT front of enemies than a tank like Foch ._.

Or maybe you meant it differently when you worded that, sorry

[lyric oriole]

Also this

[merry current]

i mean even vents on 4005 is a meme because u get negligible benefits for losing 15-20 pen

@plucky summit i play 4005 as a flanker, so its a lot easier to get sides

[plucky summit]

Okay so you introduced Foch, and invalidated it, gotcha

[lyric oriole]

But the extra view range is often pretty helpful on vents

That's my biggest reason for running it

[plucky summit]

I run vents because me no need more pen B)

[lyric oriole]

T71 with vents

[plucky summit]

Pz. II J with vents 🥲

[lyric oriole]

I do that

Such a low tier and pen that it's hardly a noticable boost

[plucky summit]

Me too, because I'd rather just press 2 then find out having CS AP still doesn't work xD

[merry current]

😩

[lyric oriole]

Ew apcr

Though HEAT is more gross

[plucky summit]

AP best shell, you'll never get me

Can't even use auto-rico against me anymore, now that I can just hit the tracks first >:)

[lyric oriole]

I mean if we had a choice of course but HE best Premium shell

[plucky summit]

pAP best premium shell 😩
It can copy HESH

[lyric oriole]

But no splash

[plucky summit]

Splash = skill issue 😳

If I can't pen I could just switch up to HE to splash anyways

[lyric oriole]

Nah splash is for killing tanks

But be showoff-ey and use Premium

[plucky summit]

Well I guess if you're given a shell to use, instead of a loadout

[outer sand]

yesterday i got a 60tp any equipment reccomendations? ammorack jokes should be kept to a minimum

[plucky summit]

Not joking when I say use defense system (I think?)

I've been working on a personal tech tree of mine, I've gotten tiers 1-8 finished :p

[lyric island]

gun rammer, improved optics, enhanced armor, defence system, enhanced gun laying drive, refined gun, consumable delivery system, toolbox and lastly engine accelerator

[merry current]

rammer/cali and gld/refined is personal preference

who tf runs enhanced armor besides certain german tanks???

[plucky summit]

Progetto 65 gets the best kick out of Enhanced Armor

[violet timber]

T92 as well

[solid gate]

what is this scaling 🗿

[merry viper]

almost forgot that thing existed.

[wise oasis]

It would've been more funnier if this was the June BP tank instead of the reskinned TOG II 🤣

[past fractal]

choo choo

[copper swan]

I run enhanced armour on progetto 65, and certain heavily armoured tanks

[balmy compass]

Woah

[copper swan]

hms tog
can die faster than hms hood

[worthy leaf]

German didnt have anything to counter it tho

[copper swan]

a destroyer or a u boat at sea could finish it off

[worthy leaf]

I mean

[copper swan]

impractical project

[worthy leaf]

Its landship
Not meant for sea fighting
Except Germany make Ratte which will kill that in 1/3 of a go

[copper swan]

too big a target at sea and on land

[solid gate]

Is the e100 worth grinding for? If so or not please tag me if it is or not and why it's good or not

[mystic sleet]

@solid gate it's one of the best lines to grind rn. Every tank is great, except the E-100 (which can still perform though)

[solid gate]

So this not worth to grind for it?

[mystic sleet]

@solid gate if you are know what you are doing in an E-100, you will have a great time. However, if you don't have a clue as to what you are doing with it, then you aren't going to have a great time. Even if you hate the tier ten tank, all of the tanks from tiers 6-9 are great and user/noob friendly (as long as you don't yolo in them). If you are a newer player and only want to get a good/very good tier ten, then the Polish or Soviet heavy tank tech tree lines might be better (since the IS-7 and 60tp are meta rn)

[solid gate]

Its that I'm grinding for my first tier 10 so thanks alot!

[opaque flicker]

I may have found the worst tier 8 TD

T28 prot, its armor profile is good at the front and can block shells from a WT ausf (P) and block shells from a T49, but its side armor is so bad that shells can penetrate it at 68 degree angle, the accuracy on the tank is great but the damage ratio on the second gun is odd with not enough HE damage for other low armor tanks, the tank is extremely slow for what it is, even with fully upgraded suspension and engine it still goes very slow uphill and even downhill is slower than most other tanks, its turret has restrictions but that doesn't bother me all that much, the tank is very vulnerable to attacks due to the insultingly low HP it has without equipment, even with equipment it only goes up to 1219, and dont blame it on being a TD because I'm seeing German and British TD's with such high armor profiles, damage rates, and around 1800 HP that it makes the T28 Prot look like a little child chucking crabapples at an APC to "defend his home"

[valid gale]

You are late to this it’s recognized as unplayable even it’s prem counterpart addresses it’s shortcomings

[opaque flicker]

Lmao ik, I have to suffer it because I want the T110E3

Also how does the T28 Defender even work? Its turret is the same size, the tank doesnt change, only its engine changes, how do they fit an insane high caliber autoloader in there?

[thorny smelt]

Ehhh T110E3 is a casemate TD and you should grind up to T28, while T28 Prototype leads to T110E4

[opaque flicker]

T28 Prot leads to E3 and E4, it can branch off into both of those lines

So if I ever want to change my mind I can just work for the other tier 8, and work from there

[thorny smelt]

Go for the E3 line perhaps

[opaque flicker]

If only wargaming listened to us when we said "stop killing our favorite tanks"

[acoustic galleon]

Its the power creep, the last 3 lines have been insanely strong when released and from the looks of it the Japanese line will be no different.

[opaque flicker]

Yeah, really sad to see such a game go down a hill like this.

[sonic vigil]

I need a platoon V-VIII tanks 800+ battles 50% winning rate

Pls someone help me i need a platoon

I need a platoon V-VIII tanks 800+ battles 50% winning rate

[mystic sleet]

@sonic vigil just go to #platoon-search unless you want to get muted

[sonic vigil]

😊

[lean fjord]

Which tank Is Better to spend exp the JPanther II or the Challenger

[harsh aurora]

Depends on which tank you prioritize, but for me personally id rather spend my xp on jpanther since that’s higher tier and harder to earn xp. Challenger is pretty easy to play and earn xp since ur a light tank with insane dpm

[lean fjord]

Thanks

[glacial kiln]

I don't know how to take good picture really low quality picture

[livid moss]

Is challenger good?

Cuz i have been grinding on comet and FV 301 and Centurion MK I sucks so i sold Evey tank so no credits for any tank so back to Sherman firefly

[night citrus]

wanna explain what the T28 prot has over the T28?

I mean, at least the T28 prot has a turret

[livid moss]

EvErY tAnK hAs A tUrReT

[violet timber]

Heavy Mk. 1 moment

[livid moss]

?

[violet timber]

Heavy Mk. 1 is a tank without a turret

[livid moss]

Defender mk1 or Centurion MK I?

[violet timber]

heavy Mk. 1

[livid moss]

XD

[empty helm]

Mk. 1 actually have 2 turrets but in sideways

[violet timber]

They aren’t really turrets though. If they are considered turrets, then all tank destroyers have turrets

[livid moss]

Any opinion about challenger?

[empty helm]

A box with a gun is a turret

[past fractal]

Su 100y is turret

[violet timber]

Then the T28 HTC is a turreted tank destroyer

[empty helm]

Yea

[livid moss]

Tog I* (confirmed by wg)

[violet timber]

That’s not a tog I, it’s a Heavy Mk. 1

[livid moss]

In tog 2 interior review wg showed that pic and said tog 1

[violet timber]

Just to clear it up, a casemate with a traversable gun is not a turret.

[livid moss]

????????

[empty helm]

It's paper

[violet timber]

This is the Tog I.

[livid moss]

Looks more like M41D turret with black prince hull

[violet timber]

It’s a Matilda turret, where do you get M41D from?

[empty helm]

I thought that was a long char b1

[livid moss]

I had the best experience in matilda

[violet timber]

It’s a Tog hull with a Matilda turret

[livid moss]

K

Is fv40O5 good?

[violet timber]

Only for good players

[livid moss]

Not for me then

[thorny smelt]

Matilda turret

[opaque flicker]

The turret has a large weakspot on it right on the gun mantle, so the turret is pretty useless, only giving the tank more maneuverability.

[finite rover]

Does anybody know if the Blasteroid (TOG II) has spaced armor or if it's just a cute design stuck on the side?

[acoustic galleon]

It has spaced armor.

[kind flicker]

the only spaced armor is on the lower track part tho and on the top

(blastroid not tog)

[finite rover]

I was referring to the cute tank plate stuck on the side of the Blasteroid tank - is it spaced armor or just for show?

[hollow sequoia]

its just for show

[kind flicker]

just show

[opaque flicker]

How to tell if it's a tog or blasteroid: gun length, and frontal track sloping design

Also I dont know about yall but spaced armor is a lifesaver for me, I once almost died but shot the tank right on the turret ring at last second, smallest weakspot and I hit it

I won with 58 health left

[violet timber]

This has nothing to do with spaced armor

Also the guns are pretty much the same length, if not the same length

[fast compass]

How to tell the difference between the tog and blasteroid. Just look at them. The difference is unmistakable

[violet timber]

^^^

[opaque flicker]

Then what is spaced armor?

[balmy compass]

armor with space infront of armor

[violet timber]

Armor that is set apart from the main armor plates of the tank

[opaque flicker]

So like the PZ IV S?

[violet timber]

The side screens on the Pz. IV S would count

[opaque flicker]

Lowe? And Keiler?

[balmy compass]

Sheridan

[violet timber]

Lowe doesn't, Keiler does

[opaque flicker]

Oh right, so is the keilar just a fatter more armored lowe with a stronger gun?

[balmy compass]

technically there is spaced armor on nearly every tank in place at the gun mantlet

[balmy compass]

E 75 TS with Lowe turret

[violet timber]

The gun mantlet while in game is considered spaced armor, in real life it isn't

[opaque flicker]

In real life, you shoot the gun mantlet from the side and the entire cannon is gone

[violet timber]

Same with tracks

[balmy compass]

to bad that only happens with tanks like the waffle

[opaque flicker]

Yeah they can only be repaired on things that are easy access and have spare parts, like how would the maus be repaired? It has no doors or anything to access the tracks

[violet timber]

That's one reason the Sherman was such a good tank

[balmy compass]

the Germans had many problems with transmission repairs in general

[violet timber]

Interleved suspension sucked to repair

[opaque flicker]

But things like the TD's make sense, having spare parts outside of the tank like tracks, wheels, gas cans, axes and wrenches, along with sprockets hanging on the side or back

[balmy compass]

some tanks like the StuG had to be almost completely taken apart just to access the transmission wheels to repair/replace

[opaque flicker]

The T28 prot is smart design, the tracks and suspension being very easy to get to while the engine can just be opened up

[violet timber]

The main problem with those wasn't repair, but more maintenance. With the Panther, you had to take out the entire front of the tank, then get a crane to even perform maintenance on the transmission

[balmy compass]

those track segments were probably welded on for a little additional armor

@violet timber yeah, the Germans didn't quite think that part through

[violet timber]

German tanks were great until the crew had to perform maintenance on them. This is why they broke down so often, they sucked to maintain and the crews didn't really feel like it

[balmy compass]

and then they ran out of gas xd

[opaque flicker]

"Were about to die but I dont feel like surviving and repairing so ima just die"

[violet timber]

Actual, things like tracks could have a negative effect as they increased normalization

[opaque flicker]

But did any gunners actually shoot tracks in WWII? The tanks were moving so how would they get a clear shot on things like the tiger II?

I feel like they would rather shoot any view ports, the main gun, the turret ring, or just the entire tank if it's at an angle

[violet timber]

They'd just shoot center of mass. Just hitting a tank with a shell causes reverberations, making it very hard for the enemy to recover in time to shoot back

[wise moth]

No, tankers were trained to shoot center mass, and at usual tank engagement distances, center mass is about the best you can do

[opaque flicker]

But in things like the maus where armor was so thick, did reverberations matter?

[balmy compass]

well for the Maus you would just bomb it

[violet timber]

Yes. Imagine you are inside of a tank and you suddenly get hit. You have no idea what it was, where it was from, and now your nearly deaf.

[opaque flicker]

"Oh crap a maus"
"Nuke it."
-probobly every American bomber

[wise moth]

That’s not really accurate. Aerial bombing, even dive bombing in WWII is super inaccurate. Even hitting ship sized targets like aircraft carriers wasn’t easy, and even the Maus is small compared to that

[opaque flicker]

cough japan

[balmy compass]

yeah you do have a point, there was a Maus destroyed at a outpost, but I don't remember how it was destroyed

[violet timber]

Fighting a Maus would be maneuver warfare

[opaque flicker]

"Quick move to the side!"
gets immediately destroyed

[violet timber]

Just take out it's tracks. At that point the crew is either stuck inside, or they have to come out. A bunker can only last so long out in the open

[opaque flicker]

Which is why America made things like the T95, but didnt make it into war because they were deemed too slow for war, and it was the end of the war anyway so it didnt matter

So yeah they wasted 90 tons of steel on 20 tanks they never used

[violet timber]

They ended the T95 program because they broke through the Siegfried line before it could be approved

[opaque flicker]

No, there were tanks manufactured, videos on the T95 actually working and moving in modern days is still out there

[violet timber]

They were preparing for the Siegfried line at the beginning of the war. By the time they got there, it was heavily weakened

[meager seal]

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[violet timber]

Yes, but they were still test tanks. The tank only ever made it to the testing phase, then was canceled due to it not being needed anymore

[opaque flicker]

Apparently theres only one left so here you go
https://youtu.be/chrC5DRe10g

[violet timber]

Yes, I know about it

[opaque flicker]

Yeah, cool how America planned to make a superheavy but then Adolf decided "no hell is the place for me"

[violet timber]

America made a superheavy, but the Jumbo was too good for the Siegfried line

[opaque flicker]

Weren't there like 50,000 Shermans made in WWII or something?

[balmy compass]

I always thought it was interesting how the outer tracks of the T28 superheavy (T95) could be taken off

[violet timber]

Around that number

[empty helm]

I wonder how can they transport t28 to Europe if it was mass produce

[opaque flicker]

America went overkill with the tanks

[balmy compass]

yeah taking them by boat would have been a slight problem

[violet timber]

That was a concern. A big concern. They knew they were going to have problems transporting the Pershing, and then they made something bigger and heavier

[opaque flicker]

Carriers, and cargo ships, those could hold and transport like 100 tons, unless they were weaker back then

[violet timber]

They had cargo ships, they just didn't have the ability to put them on the cargo ships

[opaque flicker]

Not even the crane could help lol

[balmy compass]

you would need a very large crane with a very high weight limit

[opaque flicker]

What about thick reinforced steel ramps? I know they made bridges for heavy tanks back then

[mental basalt]

would you prefer jageroo or grille

[balmy compass]

pretty sure those were not built for superheavies

[opaque flicker]

Yeah probably not

[empty helm]

They could cut it into pieces then transport them

[violet timber]

That's why they made the outer set of tracks detachable

[balmy compass]

you might need a factory to put it back together
apart from the tracks

[opaque flicker]

Oh heres an idea, take the whole thing apart and reassemble it upon transport, I know smaller cranes can hold smaller parts

[empty helm]

Smort

[opaque flicker]

Every tank could be taken apart, no matter how hard, they could always be taken apart

[balmy compass]

that would be less efficient then just building the darn tank in Europe

[violet timber]

The thing is, America never had to deal with these problems. They broke the Siegfried line before it became an issue

[opaque flicker]

Yeah I think America got pissed off once Japan did an oopsie

[violet timber]

We yanks got very pissed

[balmy compass]

exactly, although then the T28 superheavy become a candidate for the Japan invasion, the Americans also beat Japan before they could figure out how to move their tank there

[opaque flicker]

So we nuked them twice and obliterated millions of soldiers in war

[violet timber]

They bombed our ships and damned hundreds of sailors, we weren't letting them go after that

[opaque flicker]

so we bombed their island

[balmy compass]

we created a blockade around Japan so they could not get any supplies

[violet timber]

Better than the alternative

[opaque flicker]

Oh god

[violet timber]

The alternative, a full scale invasion, would've let to millions more dead

[opaque flicker]

Its funny because Germany was really shocked to hear that America dropped the first nuclear bombs, they still thought a massive explosion like that was science fiction

[empty helm]

There will be no animes

[balmy compass]

the Emperor of Japan didn't believe a bomb "that could flatten a whole city" was possible until there were reports that a second one was dropped on another city

[opaque flicker]

At that point, Germany knew that America was joining the allies in war, and they knew it was gonna be difficult

[hasty wharf]

wow

[balmy compass]

Germany was already beat when America dropped the nukes tho

[opaque flicker]

No they helped invade alot of the controlled areas, helped bomb berlin, and helped take over the city Anne frank was in, sadly she didnt make it in time for the allies to invade

[violet timber]

That all happened before the nukes were dropped

[balmy compass]

yeah, America fought the war in Europe before the war in the Pacific

[opaque flicker]

No the invasion was when WWII was ending, the bombs in pear harbor is what led to America joining the war

[violet timber]

They fought them simultaneously, the war in the pacific just lasted longer

[opaque flicker]

They supplied the allies with food and water, and ammunition, but then joined them in war, mostly attacking Normandy at the start

[balmy compass]

well yeah, but America was more focused on Germany then Japan until Germany was beat

[violet timber]

Pearl Harbor and the dropping of the nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki are two different events

[opaque flicker]

Pearl harbor was the leading cause of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

[violet timber]

Not really, they fought both equally. The Pacific war was just more naval battles while the European theatre was more land battles

[balmy compass]

I guess, some history books described it to me this way so thats is what I have assumed

[violet timber]

I know that, but it seems you had confused the two

[opaque flicker]

Oh no I just may have accidentally said it wrong

But yeah this:

[violet timber]

That’s pretty common knowledge

[opaque flicker]

Yeah that's what I was saying, America joined the war after pearl harbor

[balmy compass]

yes, the Pearl Harbor attack is what got America into the war

[empty helm]

Imagine if Germany doesn't declare war on US

[balmy compass]

Germany would have lost to Russia anyway without the help of America

[empty helm]

wat

[opaque flicker]

Then it would be a longer, harder war to fight, eventually America would've joined in and its said that Russia would have lost half of its land before Germany stopped sending troops due to the enormous loss, the amount of land Germany would have taken over wouldve been all of Europe, and all the way to half of Asia, but America would've eventually joined the war with other countries, this war would've lasted 40 years, and our technology would be stuck in the 80s, while being in the 2020's

But eventually the allies would still win

Along with Russia taking their land back, Germany literally bring crushed by two larger countries

[balmy compass]

Germany was fighting on 2 fronts already, British from the west, Russia from the East, Germany also tried in invade Russia (what a stupid idea), they lost there and Germany was also suffering from production loss, they can't produce more tanks and even if they would they kept running out of gas, it would just get harder and harder to keep fighting on 2 fronts, the war may have lasted longer without America but there is no way they could have won in the end

[balmy compass]

you can't invade Russia in winter, the Germans tried that and failed, there is no way Germany could conquer half of Russia lol

[opaque flicker]

If the war was lasting 40 years, that's all the time they need to make some heating elements they can transport, by that time Japan would've been annihilated by a full scale invasion by the U.S, Britain would not exist along with other European countries, and America would most likely claim a huge chunk of land where Europe used to be

[balmy compass]

Germany had no way of invading Britain tho

[opaque flicker]

40 years is all it takes

[balmy compass]

Germany would probably have died then, fighting on 2 fronts is very taxing like I said in my message to walking away from Poland

[lyric copper]

quick fact about this: in response to the plan and the estimated amount of casualties, they minted a whole lotta purple hearts, which still havent been depleted to this day

[empty helm]

Britannia rules the waves shall become Britannia rules the depth

[opaque flicker]

But this is an alternative universe, where America did not join the war, this would lead to much less defenses against Germany when invading European countries, Russia would've lost half of its land on the southern border, the northern would be too cold for Germany even with heating elements

[lyric copper]

UK Navy started to decline after 1941

and remember, they took the highest awarded ship in the RN to the breakers.

money was so tight at the end of the war, even USS Enterprise, the USS ship with most awards was also scrapped

[violet timber]

Wow, that’s kinda crazy

[opaque flicker]

It was scrapped because it was becoming too old and damaged to fight in war, that's what was said atleast

[lyric copper]

also money concerns

[balmy compass]

yeah, but how would Germany know how to build landing craft, they never built it during the war and you need landing craft to invade a island

[violet timber]

And the Texas still survives

[lyric copper]

they scrapped even the newer HMS Liverpool

the only major WW2 vessel in the UK now is HMS Belfast, on the Thames, which you can still visit

[opaque flicker]

Yeah that too

@balmy compass 40 years again, all they need is small ships that can dock on land

[lyric copper]

they did have the operation to invade the UK, Seelowe

[balmy compass]

I just can't see how Germany can fight Russia and Britain for 40 years and skill survive

[opaque flicker]

Because they had so many troops and defenses you may aswell be getting double teamed in WOTB

[lyric copper]

again, when one of your major rivals is a damn island, all you have to do is not allow them to land

and the other has to mass troops, giving you time to cut off the island

they quite literally did this twice

[balmy compass]

with the loss of materials and production rates dropping Germany could not even build good tanks, the Tiger II was great but poor materials led to being easily spalled and killing the crew upon richo

[opaque flicker]

More land means more resources, more oil, more iron, and more energy, by the rate of which Germany was spreading, it was their mistake to keep producing that many tanks and equipment instead of researching better equipment and tanks

[lyric copper]

also when you opponents are 1: The biggest nation by land area

and 2: the nation with the biggest empire

youre not gonna have a good time

[opaque flicker]

Lmao yes

[balmy compass]

Germany actully had alot of tanks to build in mind, the E series is a good example, (E 10, E25 etc) but what land was there to take? They can't take Russia, they failed there, not even a small portion, Britian was fighting hard on the West side as well so where can you go? You have no allies near you anymore so you have no support

[balmy compass]

This proves how dumb Germany was to attack both Britain and Russia

[opaque flicker]

That's where some countries introduced: migration, apparently Germany forgot how to do that

[lyric copper]

Germany just couldnt at all keep up with the raw resources at the fingertips of Soviet Russia or the British Empire. and with the now most strongest economy backing both. Yeah, gl.

[balmy compass]

^^ Exactly

[lyric copper]

And when your only tactic to get more stuff is to conquer stuff... not the most viable solution

so lessons: dont invade russia from the side. Be like Genghis and invade from the bottom

dont challenge the 2nd strongest economy, especially when its bezzie mates with the 1st strongest

[balmy compass]

Still took Genghis over 20 years (I think? Please tell me if I'm wrong I can't remember lol) to invade Russia

[lyric copper]

and try have good ideas earlier?

@balmy compass he managed, unlike moustache corporal

[balmy compass]

yeah he did, took him a long time tho, Germany didn't have time

[lyric copper]

oh and

oh and, lessons from the Mongol Empire:

Don't pick fights with islands, they oddly have a chance of winning loads.

And don't invade places that were historically hard to conquer (They experienced this themselves in Vietnam! The French, despite having such an experience back in the 19th century... didn't learn either. Neither did the Americans.)

[balmy compass]

Very true, history is important

[lyric copper]

Who would win, the greatest land empire the world had ever known, or, some island bois and some jungle bois?

[nova creek]

Should I get 2 shot gun or 3 shot gun for my M V yoh and why

[merry current]

3 shot because higher dpm, same applies to the t10

[nova creek]

Ok thanks

[hard cedar]

[kind flicker]

tips for playing chaffee and the bulldog grind?
(i have all modules unlocked)

[merry current]

like any other light tank?

[kind flicker]

i dont ever play light ngl

[lyric copper]

dont yolo for one

and keep moving

if you see and know a guy is completely isolated, and his team cant help at all, and you have the HP to take a shot, go for him

[kind flicker]

alr thank you

[merry current]

watch hrf's vids on his light tanks
its hard to explain in words

[kind flicker]

ok

[violet timber]

Light tanking is more of an art, just making decisions while on the move. It's okay to just turn around sometimes as well

[wise moth]

You look for isolated tanks, or heavily outnumbered tanks, then you YOLO circle them, and you run away from any sort of even or head on fight

That’s the basic gist of it

[nimble topaz]

update 9.0 is out now right?

nvm...

[outer sand]

the update would be a bad day for me

this new type 71 thingy could possibly yeet my beloved 60tp in oblivion

the hype from the community is making the type71 looks like an overpowered japanese death machine

[violet timber]

The hype didn't make the Type 71 OP, War Gaming did that

[timid wharf]

the hype is somewhat overstated, the hype was about its test server iteration which has since been nerfed. the dpm and side armour are a fair bit worse now.

[opaque flicker]

I uh, regret making fun of the T28 Prot

I finally got it fully upgraded and it's an absolutely amazing tank, it can do 380-460 damage with AP, and 540-600 with HE, and with equipment it has 260 penatration, allowing it to do more damage and have a higher chance of a crit, infact nearly every shot I make in the game with the new gun is nearly always a crit, sometiems a 2× crit, plus it's super accurate with a 9.2 second reload and 4.4 second aiming time

And now I'm passing my weekly missions much faster and doing so much more damage

[night citrus]

no u don't, you'll still hate it when you go against tier 9s

[opaque flicker]

Its actually pretty good against tier 9's, I dont struggle as much as I used to due to my penetration now, it's great at sniping

Plus who are you to say I'll hate it?

[night citrus]

lol k, the moment u say it is the moment you jinx it

say something good about it, and it does the opposite

[opaque flicker]

Well I've been saying good things and treating it very well, it's not the tank, its the player

Is what I learned from this server

[night citrus]

lol, maybe it is the tank, just when I played it, it couldn't pen anything, but thats prob a few years ago, who knows what changes wg did

[opaque flicker]

Oh was it stock gun? I have it fully upgraded with equipment

[night citrus]

nah it was the 120mm, the lower plate of the E75 was gray/red even with gold

[opaque flicker]

I have it fully upgraded, any IS tank is easy to pen now

[night citrus]

IS tanks never have armor, so it shouldn't be a problem, germans on the other hand

[opaque flicker]

Keiler is a nightmare, but VK 100.01 (P) is very easy to pen at the front

[night citrus]

yeah after they nerfed its lower plate into oblivion

when the vk100 was first introduced, a stock vk100 struggled to pen another vk100 while firing gold

[opaque flicker]

Lol yes

[violet timber]

Just because a good player can make a bad tank look good does not make the tank good. The T28 Proto has a gun and that's it. Survivability and mobility are lacking

[opaque flicker]

So I make the tank look good because I'm used to it but other people hate it?

[night citrus]

Its like the T28, I just had a great game in it, 3k dmg, 3k blocked, doesn't mean its a great tank

mainly abused the fact that noone looked at me and I took advantage of that

[violet timber]

Not necessarily, you could just be doing well in the tank currently. The tank overall just lacks carry potential

[opaque flicker]

I've blocked 3k damage in it before, it has derp armor

[opaque flicker]

Yeah, only thing it needs is a buff for that good ol side armor and turret armor and itll be very much loved again

[violet timber]

I think it's main problem is the lack of frontal armor

[opaque flicker]

I've never had any major issues with it, mostly the enemies go for my turret because it has a huge weakspot on it

[violet timber]

You can't angle because the sides suck, and the front is very flat which isn't that good

[opaque flicker]

What's funny is I've blocked alot of damage with the front armor, it kinda depends on the tank that's fighting you, like a 53TP can easily pen the front armor but other tanks like the chimera and other lower caliber guns struggle

[violet timber]

The gun is amazing, but you might as well just play something like a Borsig or Charioteer. Also, a lot of people just don't know that pressing 2 is an instant pen. And unless you're using your full 10 degrees of gun depression, Chimera butters through

[opaque flicker]

It only needs an armor and health buff and it's a great tank, give it 1300 health and that's already a major buff, give it better side armor and turret armor and boom it's done

[opaque flicker]

Also its funny that you think this thing has more gun depression or gun elevation than any Soviet tank 💀

[violet timber]

It has 10 degrees

[opaque flicker]

I dont know what you saw, but I saw 3 degrees of depression, and 8 of elevation

But they cant really buff that because it goes against its design, it would literally be scraping its gun against the hull if it went any lower

[opaque flicker]

Every time I go up the slightest bump, my gun goes wee

[violet timber]

It could be more than 10 if they redesigned the mantlet as well

[opaque flicker]

Yeah probably, maybe give it a turret upgrade

Also we gonna talk about how the game recognizes the T28 Prot as having no turret ring? I've never once gotten a turret ring crit, and it doesnt even recognize it in the critical notifications on the bottom of my screen

[violet timber]

It does have a turret ring, it's just not that common to hit a turret ring on any tank

[opaque flicker]

I'm not kidding, the game does not recognize my tank as having a turret ring

I usually see 5 notifications, Fire, Engine, Ammo, Track, and Turret ring

With the T28 Prot, theres only 4, Fire, Engine, Ammo, and Track

[violet timber]

The game could see it as a non-turreted TD due to the fact it's turret isn't fully traversable

[opaque flicker]

Yeah maybe it doesnt run on a ring but a motor system?

[violet timber]

It does have a ring, all turrets have to have a ring to rotate around

[opaque flicker]

Yes but if that's the case, how come the game recognizes my TD as having no ring?

[violet timber]

I'm not sure

[opaque flicker]

Even if it had no ring and ran of a wheel system, it would still have to have a crit for that

[empty helm]

WG forgor to put hitboxes there

[opaque flicker]

Not like you can really hit it anyways, the turret is kinda buried inside of the tank, so maybe they got rid of the hitbox because of that

[violet timber]

The hitboxes are there, that's why I know the module exists

[empty helm]

Ye it's inside the turret

[opaque flicker]

So you would need a tank with extremely good pen to even hit that hitbox, even then they removed it from the tank so it wouldn't matter

The tank is literally invulnerable to turret ring crits

[violet timber]

Not really, you'd just have to hit the turret ring

[opaque flicker]

Which is inside of the tank, and not visible to hit

[violet timber]

This is the turret ring

[opaque flicker]

Jesus that's a small hitbox, how is anyone meant to hit that? Even then why did they remove the module crit from the tank?

Oh I understand why, its turret is already extremely slow

[violet timber]

They didn't remove the module, it's still there. And, again, damaging the turret ring on any tank is rather rare

[empty helm]

It's a protection ring or something
Glued to the hull

[violet timber]

It's the out side of the turret ring. Inside would be gears that let the turret actually rotate around

[empty helm]

Yea

[toxic sequoia]

Type 71 is a nightmare

[scarlet kernel]

We already have a type 71 kind of tank, and it's the wz-113
The type 71 just have better turret armor (haven't checked updated blitzstars), with worse hull armor, forward mounted turret, and more flexible with the gun dep (if you improve it ofc)

[violet timber]

I believe Type actually has better hull armor. It just doesn’t have the dpm the 113 does

[brave juniper]

Also @cold kelp , yes it's 76mm but when 76mm isn't flat but angled like the roof is( the hatch is flat the roof isn't) this happens

[cold kelp]

We were literally talking about that spot there is only 1 weak spot the hatch which they referred to as the roof but we were all talking about the same thing

[weak sparrow]

how do i play is7

[empty helm]

You hulldown that's all

[weak sparrow]

it only has 6 degrees

[empty helm]

You rush and keep moving left and right

[shy hound]

Me:
Flashback to all the times in the past week I’ve BROKEN a turret ring and whenmine has been damaged
armor lore

[umbral hamlet]

you rush forward with your mediums

[lament wedge]

Is it worth buying the 121B for 15k gold?

[solid gate]

better check the review of the tank ... first and make your mind if you wnt to buy it i recommend royal fatness

[umbral hamlet]

it's a combination between a t62a and a wz121, so it definitely isn't as good as those two but it's a decent mix

the tank itself isn't worth getting if you aren't expirienced in tier10 mediums

[acoustic galleon]

The 121 is better.

[lament wedge]

Ok thank y'all for the advices

[shy hound]

No

[brave juniper]

Yeah hatch doesn't equal roof since they're 2 different things but 🤷‍♂️

[cursive flame]

Is 10.62 reload on is7 good?

No one?

[brave juniper]

Think that is4 with 420 has 10.06 and E5 around the same, it's not good DPM wise just the usual I'd say

[cursive flame]

Ok

[lament wedge]

Whats the best Tier 10 Tank i should go for on the techtree?

[trail orchid]

Depends what you prefer playing,heavy,med ,light or tank destroyer,they all have their good points although their are a couple that you might wanna wait and see if they get buffed soon

[mystic sleet]

@lament wedge and it depends on your stats as well

[civic iron]

interesting

[lyric copper]

smartest superheavy players

[civic iron]

yep

[hallow vault]

"You can't take damage if you aren't in the fight"

[worn echo]

is4 has +100 more dpm, and E5 has the same dpm as Is7

[thin edge]

Yay i got Löwe from free container

[cursive flame]

So is7 is ok?

[misty wing]

IS-7 is really good

[worn echo]

I mean, it is one of the strongest t10 so yeah

[solid gate]

why tuer 10 tank on british meds is not named centurion, is that not a centurion

[violet timber]

It's a chieftain prototype iirc

[solid gate]

Is it just me, or is the kv4 crap

[hollow notch]

The kv4 is at least workable. There are far worse tanks

[thorny smelt]

FV4202 is also known as 40-ton Centurion

[solid gate]

ohh i think its btter if they just named it centurion 40t

[violet timber]

It's not really a Centurion though

[solid gate]

oh..

[thorny smelt]

Get the top 107 mm ZiS-24 gun. It's more effective than the 122 mm guns

[solid gate]

but 122mm is just iconic on soviet heavies.. if the pen is only good i would still choose 122mm

[thorny smelt]

There's another 122 mm gun that is exclusive for WOT PC version of KV-4 which is the 122 mm D-25TS with 217 mm AP pen

[solid gate]

wow.. sadge its not in blitz bruuh.

[thorny smelt]

Their 122 mm D-25TS gun with 390 alpha has 2,259.82 ~ 2,260 DPM with gun rammer and 100% crew skills

[cold kelp]

True but I didn't think it was relevant to argue on something like that just floods the chat

[solid gate]

its not available on blitz right?

[thorny smelt]

No

[solid gate]

awman

[hollow belfry]

At this point just use the 107mm

Unless you want to face T9s with your ‘’iconic’’ 175mm of pen💀

[thorny smelt]

100% agreed

[tight minnow]

I propose an improvement for the Leopard I (or the Leopard PT A). As the chassis is very similar to that of the Leopard II, I propose to add a researchable turret, that of the Leopard II A0 (or any other model). This would be to encourage its acquisition, since due to its low armor compared to that of the other German medium tank, the E50, it is not usually developed. The Leopard II was born in 1979, that is, in the cold war, like the vast majority of Tiers X. By adding a new module that makes it a current tank, it would be in demand by many (especially those whose country has Leopard II) . As for the point of adding a researchable module in Tier X, it's not that far-fetched when compared to premium tanks, some of which have researchable upgrades such as the IS-6 or the Churchill III.

[strange thicket]

eh, i don't really wanna see mbt looking tanks like these in the game
i think they look ugly. but that is my personal opinion.
leo 1 should stay as a pro tank, it is fine that way. but i think giving it a niche is a welcome change
especially a gun related niche(not any autoloader or anything of that sort but just adjusting the gun)

[thorny smelt]

MBT-70:

[mystic sleet]

Chieftain:

[strange thicket]

both of which don't look like the modern mbt

ok well maybe the chieftain 😂 to a certain degree

[misty wing]

Chieftain doesn't look like a modern mbt

[strange thicket]

ehh just the rear of the turret
a tiny bit
but yeah it stills stands out from a modern mbt

[tight minnow]

If you consider a 70's tank how modern...

[strange thicket]

i don't, i am just saying i don't like the modern mbt look
and hen they pointed out cold war mbts

[tight minnow]

You Know the Leopard II A0?

[strange thicket]

nope

[thorny smelt]

Centurion:

[brave juniper]

Israel tanks be like:

[tight minnow]

reminds me of the Tiger I

[strange thicket]

ah yes because centurion definitely looks like a modern mbt

[misty wing]

Now that looks genuinely awful

[tight minnow]

Yeah

[strange thicket]

what? i think it looks alright

[misty wing]

The turret looks horrible

[strange thicket]

welp

[tight minnow]

I like it, and I think it would fit well in the game

[strange thicket]

what is the most modern tank in the game

[empty helm]

Probably chieftain or m60

[tight minnow]

I don't know why it reminds me of the Tiger I. It's like a Tiger I but with a rectangular turret

[misty wing]

Leopards did not look good until the 2A5 imo

[tight minnow]

One moment

[misty wing]

122 TM is actually a contender, it started development in 1970

[strange thicket]

i think leo 1 looks the prettiest out of all these 😂

[misty wing]

STB is cooler than Leo and I think most people agree

[fallow sluice]

hmmmm...

[tight minnow]

Bruh is similar to the Leo

[fallow sluice]

Indien-Panzer, can that MT have a way similar turret to the Lowe? but armor values are still similar to the MT Turret.

[mystic sleet]

Indien's turret looks nothing like Löwe's...

[strange thicket]

to each their own
leo 1 looks prettier to me

[tight minnow]

X2

[misty wing]

Indien does look like the Lowe lol

[fallow sluice]

yup, that's why I was thinking for a change for the turret design such as the removal of the MG port on left cheek and placing the commander's hatch at the center than the right

[tight minnow]

Developers, What do you think of my proposal?

Ah, one moment

[fallow sluice]

can be but, I find the proposal in an arbitrary state because of its modern looks (similar on the case of some brit HTs) and the limitations set because of the era in the game (if we focus on the accuracy of the game) but for me, it can be a feasible proposal at T10-T9 range

[scarlet kernel]

The armor thickness is the problem
And i don't think wg would ever add it unless if some rando german engineer draw a leo 1 chassis with leo 2 turret on a napkin during lunch break

[tight minnow]

the chassis is very similar, it is more for me they are the same chassis

[scarlet kernel]

We only have one problem now

[rigid thunder]

wg has stated that smoothbore guns will not be in the game, so basically, no

[fallow sluice]

The Sheridan?

[rigid thunder]

thats rifled

[fallow sluice]

I forgot ;-;

[thorny smelt]

KV-2 with 107 mm gun

[rigid thunder]

the only "smoothbore" gun in wotb is the 90mm T208, used on the Chieftain/T95, which wg cheated by renaming it to a completely fictional "90mm T208 rifled"

[brave juniper]

Well smoothbore cannons are the better ones after all, guess we can't have nice things or else you will easily GG tanks in 2 shots lol

[nova creek]

Is it worth spending gold for 100% crew on a tier 9 if im a f2p?

[hollow notch]

No

Use gold to get premium tanks

[nova creek]

So just 75%?

[hollow notch]

Yep, its perfectly grindable

[nova creek]

Ight thanks

[solid gate]

You're gonna suffer

[hollow notch]

Nah
Stock modules are far worse than a 75%crew

[nova creek]

Lol I have only enough free xp for one gun for my M V yoh

[blissful hamlet]

You just forgot one thing, the most modern t10 we have is the chieftain mk6, which is from 1950~60.
So, no need for a turret from the same era as Abrams

[tight minnow]

1 Cold War is cold war.
2 It was just a proposal so that the Leo 1 would not be the black sheep of Tier X.
3 You don't know you need something until you have it😎

[valid gale]

After playing it for 4k battles nah it don’t need it it’s role is not to hulldown

[violet timber]

Best mobility in tier 10 and what's arguably the best gun on a tier 10 med needs an impenetrable turret. I don't think so lmao

[tight minnow]

(I only wanted to have the Leopard II XD)

[valid gale]

And there it is

[gilded vector]

Yeah its modifications were. The native hull was still built in like 1960s area

[blissful hamlet]

Simple, just play War Thunder

[spare ibex]

Do you guys run cent 7/1 /fv4202 with calibrated ?

[thick trout]

There's arguments for running rammer and for running cs but personally I run cs. It helps a little with not having prammo, and opens heavies sides up more which is pretty useful in a fairly heavy-oriented meta. If meds were more common I might swap to rammer but currently they both play more opportunistically rather than shredding things with dpm

[spare ibex]

I still find it shocking that the fv4202 has not even a bit more pen than the tier 9 counterpart

[thick trout]

It does get a sizeable mobility difference which makes it much more flexible

[spare ibex]

Well I'll have to try with cs. Hoping it gets a tiny pen buff in 9.1, like 8-10 more

[thick hound]

what if we put a e 100 turret on a tiger 2 tank that would be cursed

[frank olive]

After the Tankenstein got the benifit of no crew injuries...I thought the U-Panzer should get something too. You can't let it go underwater, that would break the game, so that is out...What i should get is road terrain crossing speed on water. then it sould speed up the rivers and be a great flanker.

[empty helm]

Just look at e75 ts

[thick hound]

Ye

[blissful osprey]

Thx for ruining Tier X again. Let’s keep this little thing away from the game, yes?

[tight minnow]

No😎

[tight minnow]

I need in WoTb

it's just a simple Leopard II type turret, I never said it had exactly the same armor (besides it's all flat)

And honestly I think the A0 would look good on WoTb

[violet timber]

The Abrams turret is all flat, why don't we put it on the M48?

Also, here's the armor of the turret you're trying to put in. It is impenetrable to literally everything in game

[blissful osprey]

M60-2000 moment

Except they don’t use an M48 hull…

[violet timber]

They use the M60 hull, but that's in game too!

[tight minnow]

Repeat, i don't said the same armor

[violet timber]

Even still, you’re asking for an armor buff on it. This would give the tank the best mobility in tier 10, the best med gun in tier 10, and useable armor. It would be actually broken

[tight minnow]

I just think a Leopard II A0 would fit, plus I didn't specify how much armor. I'm not Tier X, I don't know how much armor is good and how much isn't, I just compare it to the other German medium tank and see it seems lighter than medium

[blissful osprey]

WOTB may not be all that historically accurate, but at the same time, they won’t do something as obvious and drastic as to change the armor thickness of an MBT turret

[tight minnow]

It doesn't have to be called the Leopard II A0 turret, that is, it doesn't have to be the same, just the look. Surely there was a prototype with less armor similar to the Leopard II

[blissful osprey]

That’s like taking an M41 turret and smacking an extra 150mm of armor on the mantlet. It’s just inviting confusion and utter annoyance. It’s a Leo II turret all the same. It should be utterly ridiculous in thickness. Decreasing it to Leo 1 levels of armor is a travesty.

[tight minnow]

Bah, it's just a proposal, I don't understand so much controversy if it's just a game, they can nerf it if it looks too op and that's it

[blissful osprey]

That’s what’s been happening for years, and look at it now. This same stuff is what happened to WoTPC and it’s in a mess now. It literally cannot work like that.

[violet timber]

It is lighter, which lets it be the most mobile tank in tier 10. It also has a laser accurate gun with insane dpm. There is no need for it to change

[tight minnow]

well and what do you think of a premium Leopard II, that is heavy and with a normal heavy armor but with the speed of a medium

[violet timber]

No. We do not need composite armor at all.

[tight minnow]

I only said heavy armor, I didn't say anything about composite armor

[blissful osprey]

Tbh Reactive Armor is our composite armor analogue

[violet timber]

Leopard 2 is a tank with composite armor. And even still, giving a tank heavy armor with medium mobility is a horrible idea

Any sort of new leopard tank added will just be a better leopard 1

[tight minnow]

I remember hating to talk about a light with heavy armor

[blissful osprey]

If this is about the T100LT or the Obj 84, ur ded wrong. Most of the “heavy armor” comes from extreme angling.

[misty wing]

No?

[blissful osprey]

There actually isn’t a base hull for the WZ-122, (which I suppose is what the TM represents in game). As they say, the tank started development in the 70s and died in the 70s. The closest thing to the 60s it had were the Soviet tank-like look Chinese vehicles had at the time.

[valid gale]

Y’all just glossed over they said they weren’t at tier 10 yet

[blissful osprey]

And I will continue to do that

[warm arch]

@tight minnow would be cool to have such tanks in game but wg won't do it but maybe somewhere in the future idk

[brave matrix]

they need to nerf the 268/4

[radiant coral]

Skill issue

[misty wing]

268/4 isn't op
I do think it needs to be reworked though, because it simply isn't a fun tank

[brave matrix]

nah a tank that can’t be penned frontally and that has great alpha is broken

t100, t57, 60tp, obj 268/4, m60, e50m

[valid gale]

m60
Lol king of averageness
T57 literally a Burster what’s broken on it
T100 already next update
e50m heavies are a bigger issue

[misty wing]

I would rather buff other meds than nerf e50m

[lyric copper]

M60????

if that’s not satire, how and why?

[scarlet kernel]

268 v4 is just one example of op armor < op gun and mobility

Op armor is basically a support tank, when your team is dead you're just a sitting duck
While op gun you can still carry the team

[brave matrix]

it needs an armor nerf imo or a dpm nerf not a drastic nerf but still it is so annoying

[lyric copper]

??? It’s easy to pen?

[tulip knot]

This is just a skill issue imo. The 268/4 is slow, has bad dpm, horrible HE (for a 152), and bad pen

[lyric copper]

just aim slightly down and left or right, don’t hit the mantlet

[tulip knot]

All of these tanks outperform the 268/4 in 90 day stats

Man I wish I could get my hands on a bourassque

[lyric copper]

nah look at the damage ratio

[strange thicket]

bourrasque is fun

[violet timber]

I like that you say the M60 and not the M48

[lyric copper]

I’m pretty sure the M48 is balanced

[violet timber]

It's just that they're effectively the same tank

[lyric copper]

one has a worse hull and trades for slightly better stats

kinda like an echo fighter in SSBU

[fast compass]

Patton is quite balanced and can be rather fun. Mediums totally need nerfs in the current heavy meta

[rigid thunder]

yeah because the heavy meta is totally not bland and boring, and should be here to stay

[glacial kiln]

I agree

Wg should put this tank because it from cold warz

I just have Issue with keiler why the front turret still can be pen by enemy tier8 that look like not logic bacause you look at lowe it has same turret with the vk72.01 k they should have the same armor and keiler it has more armor because of the extra armor so fix that wg

[misty wing]

what's the vk 40.01 k

[glacial kiln]

Sorry just a little typo

[plucky summit]

Lowe and Keiler have different turrets, it's quite obvious

They only share a similar shape

[glacial kiln]

I know this 2 german vehicles should have strong turret and can't be penetrats

[plucky summit]

They do have strong turrets, but they absolutely should not be impenetrable

If you wiggle your gun a little bit, you'll block more shots 😊

[glacial kiln]

Yeh i do that every time i play german tank

[nimble topaz]

what should be the equipments for 50tp? stock gun sucks T^T 18 secs reload with big dispersion

[plucky summit]

You should not be complaining, then 😅

[glacial kiln]

I just don't understand why vk7201 k has strong turret but lowe has week turret they just a same turret

[plucky summit]

It's because VK 72.01 K is a tier 10, while Lowe is a tier 8, simple balance.

[glacial kiln]

Uh seriously not logic

[plucky summit]

They're not trying to be perfectly accurate, historically, dare I mention the fake tanks...

[glacial kiln]

Oh well i can't do any thing because not my game so just enjoy playing it

[plucky summit]

Indeed

[olive junco]

hahaha speedy tiger 2 37kph

[glacial kiln]

I need to practice more skill in german tank :)

[west rapids]

Did the vickers light 105 exist irl? What about its gun?

[glacial kiln]

never made in real life

[west rapids]

Ah 😔

[glacial kiln]

Ah yes my first game of keiler

[plucky summit]

It's a great tank, anyways

[glacial kiln]

Yeh but the team is useless

[plucky summit]

That's just how it usually is

[glacial kiln]

I was thinking why when wg make a new tank they have legendary camo like the new Japenese tank but when german tank out not .it like wg don't have time for it

Anyway this look cool for keiler

[plucky summit]

👍

[valid gale]

You know you can copy something but it wont be as good right

[plucky summit]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/562732032237502465/982874971346980954/unknown.png

[glacial kiln]

I don't thing so....

[brave matrix]

the fact that 50% of the games when there is an 268/4 the player with it completely clutches the entire heavy side because you literally can’t pen it lol

[misty wing]

not true whatsoever, you must be in bot lobbies

[tulip knot]

you are sooooo lucky

[plucky summit]

Don't you just love it when people ignore that there's a cupola? Or better yet, another enemy to shoot?

[umbral hamlet]

or just, idk, something mindblowing... flanking?

[plucky summit]

I also love the people who think it's a god at 1v1s just because

[strange thicket]

The 6 team mates it has :

[strange thicket]

Very reasonably sized and armored cupola!

[plucky summit]

Not too hard to clown on one if you use terrain at all

[strange thicket]

Forsooth, i too like my v4 cupola

[plucky summit]

I bet you're jealous of all the hulldown heavies, who have more gun depression and a traversible turret

[strange thicket]

Well, jokes aside. Cupola is pennable and all but it is not really reasonably sized or armored.
But ehh besides that it is not too difficult to deal with.

[plucky summit]

The whole point of v4 is funny armor and funny alpha

When the armor can only be angled to one enemy and the gun is not something to rely on unless your enemies have skill issues

[strange thicket]

Yes
Any thing besides a head on offense is easy pen on the cheeks
Not sure bout the gun though

[plucky summit]

The gun's pretty inaccurate, and the heavy-levels of penetration don't help either.

I get the point of "you have plenty of time to sit there with your armor" but they can nail in on your cupola, or often they can press 2 or 3 and you'll be traded with the standard TD HP

[strange thicket]

That is why you just play up close with the tank
And it got an okay traverse too
Eh
I was just pickin on the cupola argument lol

[plucky summit]

You are able to play up close, but you better be fighting a single guy, or else you'll be hoping that they're all sitting in a group, unable to abuse the fact that you can only point in one direction

It's pretty amazing how quickly everyone chilled out when the tank went into action. It's almost as if other tanks have armor and advantages, too

[strange thicket]

Yeah it is not too difficult to deal with in team fights
But you can still use your team mates.
I agree with the people who say it is annoying to work it and play against it though

[plucky summit]

Yeah, it was like me with the Emil II. I performed well but I hated doing so

[strange thicket]

I actually don't mind the Emil II at all in my experience

[plucky summit]

I think I had played it when the playerbase was starting to get used to it

It was fine and all, just so boring and tedious

[strange thicket]

That is basically kran too

[plucky summit]

Yeah but I actually played like dog water in Kran, idk why 🗿

[strange thicket]

LOL
I don't know what is it with this line but Emil 2 just works more somehow

[plucky summit]

Must be the fact it sees tier 8

[strange thicket]

Probably
Dunk on dem low tier nubs

[plucky summit]

Me when I finally get my beautiful Keiler, but never play it 😩

[strange thicket]

Me who still hasn't gotten the lowe:
Also Emil 2's turret goofed me for however long because i thought you could shoot the top of it and kept attempting it 💀

[plucky summit]

wacky

[outer sand]

i wanna start using tank destroyers, but i have no idea where to start they look kinda skill dependent and hard to use for me

[plucky summit]

They're team dependent, generally. A decent starter line may be Obj. 268's line

[outer sand]

object 268's line, so that includes the funny russian bias turtle named the su152 right?

[plucky summit]

Yes.

[scarlet mason]

was type 71 a real tank in japan

[hollow belfry]

nope

[scarlet mason]

I thought it was real when I first heard about it bruh

[lament wedge]

Whats the best IS-3 build?

[dim pollen]

Start with German destroyers

[limpid ether]

Best is3 build, or gun I guess, is just max Engine,tracks, IS 3 turret not the kornet or what it's named, and the BL9 gun

[jaunty timber]

Go for grill

[strange thicket]

Terrible idea, one is a meme blend of rng and a tank
It is not hard to play but it is easy to shred and to not allow to get shots
Other is a highly skill dependent tank, you need to make quick decisions and change between sniping and second lining
Or sacrificing some of your hp sometimes

[dim pollen]

Lol TDs are skill dependent tanks. German tanks are noob friendly too.

[jaunty timber]

Except for JGPZ100

[dim pollen]

U won't be a noob till u reach tier X 😛

[strange thicket]

German tds are the opposite of noob friendly
Especially the grille 15
Obj 268 is hands down the best starter TD
Single shot
High pen
Troll armor that requires little thinking
Okay mobility and nice camo

[jaunty timber]

Noob as newbie or being Terrible at the game?

[dim pollen]

Newbie.

[solid gate]

british gun have weird designation om their guns can someone give me the translation of the caliber of their guns..

[cursive flame]

How do i play isu-152 with bl10

[empty helm]

You camp in a bush that's all
don't sidescrap and do not face a 252u

[dim pollen]

Don't brawl. Hide behind bushes. Stay on the corners of the map.