vehicles-discussion

[blissful osprey]

You can still crap on any tanks' sense of OP-ness if you play every single card wrong.

OP tank a select few and access.

You know, I'd prefer seeing just one Concept 1B instead of double T-100LTs, which, considering ratings, can be real possible. As I said, an OP tank is an OP tank. If I meet a Smasher in my T29, good for me. I'm bullying this guy. If I can go hulldown, I'm almost certainly winning. And the thing is, there's potential to see two of the latter, compared to one of the former every so often. And that to me sucks more.

[opaque flicker]

Someone explain to me why this is considered a tank?

File says APC, everyone else says APC, yet in the blueprints it said "tank"

[balmy compass]

You have full tracks and a main armament on top of some armor

[blissful osprey]

It's an APC. The classifications on the blueprints are most likely nothing more than bureaucratic stupidity.

[strange thicket]

well you see here, i understand exactly what you are saying.
a player can mess up in an OP tank still but it still compensates for their lack of skill to a certain extent
and that compensation is relative to how bad the player is or how good.
still part of the skill that is supposedly shown in ratings is being compensated for using means of money to a certain extent again. so if we restrict ratings to only techtrees, everyone will have the same tanks to choose from. that means the only difference between players will be the skill. which is what ratings should be about, correct?
that is just all the more to why banning premiums from ratings is not that much of a biggie. my opinion at the end of the day 🤷‍♂️.

[opaque flicker]

The original blueprint said tank, who thought this would be a tank?

And god dang, it tricked me so well that I literally almost added its file to my game plans

Well, I added this version of it, the m75

[blissful osprey]

I can literally use this argument for your regular TT tank. Hell, I can just buy gold and speed my way through the line faster or use that gold to get a spanking-new OP TT without the grind. Wouldn't that be "compensating" for "skill" through "means of money?"

[opaque flicker]

The other was an M59

[shell robin]

Probably depends on whether you had the gold to begin with or not

[opaque flicker]

cough credit card

[shell robin]

You must have a really bad credit score then

[strange thicket]

no? because i can get the same tank without money but for a longer time investment?
with premiums i can only get the tank with money
or sell my soul to wg and pray to the corporate devil for an event to give a good premium tank. and abandon all materialistic needs for it too.
you can't use the same argument for TT tanks because they are FREE to get. at any time.

[opaque flicker]

I'm saying people can just buy the gold over and over again

[shell robin]

Since you can get 50 gold a day, which equates to 18250 a year. Is it really worth buying gold?

[opaque flicker]

People are lazy

[shell robin]

So am I, and I am not gonna buy gold.

[opaque flicker]

Alot of people would rather spend 100 on 75k gold rather than waiting a year for 18k

[blissful osprey]

What exactly changed the fact that an OP tank is an OP tank? I don't see how getting a premium somehow "compensates for skill." If that's so why are we talking about OP tanks anyways? Let's just ban prems like the Spersh, because following your logic, the fact that it's a premium means half my skill issues with this game and life are solved just by having it.

[strange thicket]

lol, you completely didn't read or misunderstood what i said.
where did i say all premium tanks compensate for skill?
my argument is OP premium tanks compensate for skill and are only accessible with money while OP TT can compensate for skill too but are free for all. hence it is all equal and the only difference will be the actual skill(minus the compensation).
and yes let's ban premiums from Ratings actually.
nothing changed the fact that an OP tank is an OP tank. read.

[blissful osprey]

I don't see the sense in that. An OP tank is an OP tank. Okay, so maybe not everybody has a Smasher. But everyone has a T29 (just a generalization). What exactly makes the prem so bad? The fact it's some super special one-of-a-kind premium others don't have when half the mm is already filled with TTs that are already OP? If 90% (also a generalization) of the playerbase is running 60TPs and T-100LTs, what makes the Concept 1B so much worse? Because it's just one player out of potentially hundreds that is using it at the current moment?

[strange thicket]

🤨
Concept 1B is irrelevant(already kinda said that tier 10 is filled with mostly TTs but ok 👍)
the prem isn't bad in itself. you want to play it? you have pubs and other game modes.
ratings is the SKILL game mode right? and what better way to display skill than have all players on equal footing? you tell me.

[blissful osprey]

The Concept 1B is on the backfoot then, as it's just once Concept out of many OP TT tanks. If there were whole matches where the only HTs were Concepts, that changes, hut that's not so.

[strange thicket]

of course
what other good example to choose than the concept 1b which was obtainable like once 😂
argument doesn't change with how much they are being played (already using tier 10 as an argument again for some reason)
while ignoring tier 8 and 9 which are rampant with premiums. let's not forget 7.
of course there is OP techtrees but anyone can drive them.
not anyone can drive an OP premium. that is the whole argument.
what is so hard to understand?
look at CSGO for example, everyone has access to the same set of weapons. the only key differences is your skill and money management.
Ratings is the game mode to show your SKILL, so when everyone has access to the same set of tanks. wouldn't that eliminate all other variables and leave only the skill variable ?

[safe cedar]

No RNG is a variable. Removing a few tanks would to very little to affect or change ratings in all honesty, because blitz is inherently a game of two teams the winner being whoever figures out how to work together better.

[strange thicket]

you just mentioned one of the many other variables which contribute to the winning.
you forgot also about carrying capability which is one of the most important attributes, and what other tanks are good for carrying other than OP premiums and tech trees?
eliminating all variables so that the only remaining variables are accessible by everyone, so then the game mode becomes a pure display of skill and overcoming obstacles. having no money component in it is a must. and you can see it in most serious competitive games.

[dim pollen]

I know tht well. And it was mounted with an AT gun, 90mm D915 cannon.

[spice pine]

I like it how using premium on a tank you can’t penetrate is a “skill issue”. Like cmon, it’s not like premium rounds do the same damage as standard rounds, do they?

[violet timber]

A tank is designated by battlefield role, not what it looks like

A tank doesn’t have to have tracks, though most do

[opaque flicker]

A.. machine gun is effective against other tanks?

[violet timber]

Tanks don’t have to fight other tanks, they just have to support the infantry in most cases

[opaque flicker]

It does look like a fridge though

[violet timber]

In WW2, Sherman Tankers preferred the 75mm because it had a better HE round, which was better to support the infantry

[opaque flicker]

Which Sherman? 3 or 4 nations had the shermans

[violet timber]

Americans

The British took what they could get, same with the Soviets. To them it was mainly “it’s a Sherman”

Also firefly is the worst Sherman variant, change my mind

[dim pollen]

In game or on field during WW2?

[violet timber]

On the field

I’m game it sucks as well though

[dim pollen]

Aah well. Firefly was responsible for killing the German Tiger 1 Ace Michael Wittmann

[violet timber]

That’s great, but it was still a pretty bad tank ergonomically

[dim pollen]

Ergonomically? Well the Sherman itself was a shitty tank. Talk abt Firefly? It helped the allies save their asses from those Tiger 1 and 2.

[opaque flicker]

Shermans were givin out to other countries by America in the "lend lease" program during WW2, Soviet Russia gave a very positive response and so did Britain

[violet timber]

And once the HVAP round was developed for the 76mm, the firefly’s gun wasn’t that special

@dim pollen The Sherman was a great tank ergonomically, until you shoved a gun with a breech the size of half the turret inside

[scarlet kernel]

Funny how there is two bad tanks with great story
(The other one was that char b1)

[violet timber]

The Sherman was quite possibly one of the best tanks of the war. It’s frontal armor was only slightly less effective than the Tiger’s, both the 75 and 76mm guns were pretty good, and it was rather reliable on top of that

[dim pollen]

To take out tht single tiger 1, they had to swarm and flank with a tank column lol.

[opaque flicker]

What's really funny is despite german technology being nearly the most powerful in terms of armored vehicles such as tanks like the Tiger I & Tiger II, whenever they found a Sherman they would always try to preserve as much of it as possible while trying to kill the crew so they could use American tank technology to further enhance German tank technology

[violet timber]

They didn’t have to. Sherman’s traveled in platoons, which is 5 tanks. If you have 5 tanks, you are going to use 5 tanks.

[dim pollen]

Since the beginning, it didn't wield those 75 n 76mm gun.

[violet timber]

It had the 75 since the start. And once the 76 was made it just got better

[opaque flicker]

Weren't Sherman tanks very stealthy aswell?

[violet timber]

They could be made stealthy, though they were quite tall

[dim pollen]

I'm talking abt the clash with the black baron. It was a well set ambush against him

[opaque flicker]

I remember alot of true stories of Sherman tanks obliterating their enemies from 500 feet away without them knowing where they were

Sherman tanks sound absolutely terrifying in real life when it comes to combat, until you fight it in wotb, it's kinda depressing

[violet timber]

American tankers knew what they were doing, especially the ones that had been serving since D-Day. That’s just another reason why the Allies started dominating Germany so quickly

[dim pollen]

German doctrine included lots of propaganda. Tankers were made to believe tht the tank they r in are invincible and impervious to what allies will throw at them. That mostly led to ignorance and overconfidence amongst them.

[scarlet kernel]

They are made for infantry support not much focus on tank destroying

[opaque flicker]

If they were made for infantry support, then how come they were always stationed away from the main battle and always near enemy forces?

Of course, they can be used for support, but alot of the time they did a lot of good work against enemy tanks

[violet timber]

Sherman was made for the infantry support role. They didn’t really encounter enemy tanks that often

[dim pollen]

Despite having good tanks, the Germans just ignored how the tanks could be upgraded against them and kill them. Even if they were taught abt tactics in tank school, everything would change for them on the field.

[opaque flicker]

Imagine Americans getting ahold of a tiger II, then giving it all sorts of upgrades, what would it be named?

Because would it relate to a cat? Or have it's own thing?

[dim pollen]

Interesting question. I guess they would just continue with the feline names. Even the hellcat is feline. If not, they would just name it with some numbers involving date of capture

[opaque flicker]

Bet theyd call it something like the date of capture lion

[nimble topaz]

so cheap

[thorny smelt]

Not including the modules though

[scarlet kernel]

With the 25% aswell they are less than both td and mt?

Not to mention from the stream all modules from the mitsu 108,
+turret-gun
+engine
+suspension

Unless the modules are really high, it's gonna be a rather easy grind

[nimble topaz]

ye

[scarlet kernel]

all the modules they show on stream
they all have 1 tier higher engine and suspension (except for type 68).
i would assume it's different for all of them, if it isn't then you would just be able to research the next tank and automatically researched them

[blissful osprey]

It is

[brave juniper]

In game at least

[manic sundial]

so on paper the amx m4 45 looks like hot garbage but, its actually really good

the huge size and paper armor sucks but the dpm, pen, gun dep and mobility put it up in my top 3 tier 7 heavies

only outmatched by the fun with the smasher and possiblt better all rounder the 45tp

[blissful osprey]

mentions Smasher

Conclusion: Directive 2 initiated. Opinion Discarded.

[livid moss]

Is Centurion MK I good?

Because fv301 sucks

[lyric copper]

301 does not suck

you probably do if you can’t make the best tier 8 LT work

[manic sundial]

301 is beautiful and agreed on best t8 light.

so visited blitzstars thinking i was doing good in the amx m4 45... and realized someone was doing 3.1k avarage with 86% on ru server. 😱

[lyric copper]

that’s just RU server

leave most people who do that as outliers

[umbral hamlet]

fv301 is the best tier8 tech tree light, so if you don't like it you'll probably die irl or smh playing the Cent mk1, cuz it isn't exactly the best tank

[manic sundial]

cent 1 is literally slower bigger similarly armored if jot worse than the fv301 eith the same gun and similar dpm

and alot slower than the 301

[strange thicket]

fv301 is cent 1 but 10x better

[distant nymph]

I liked both but I also like generally bad-ish tanks anyway (except the SU-101)

[manic sundial]

hey sulol is a good tenk

for losing ur mind

[misty wing]

@blissful osprey finally collected all the T110s

[umbral hamlet]

tank's being tested, what's wrong?

[potent garnet]

nothing just wanted to share something else thats not kv2 feet pics

[pallid flame]

Wth

[misty wing]

one of the most satisfying moments I've ever had in blitz ngl

[remote sentinel]

me after 20 or 30 battles with ISU-152: ahhh should ask someone how good is ISU-152 does?

[lean fjord]

Which Is Better the Centurion I
Or the 53TP Markowskiego?

[misty wing]

53TP by far

[olive junco]

How should i play e75 when my crews 50%?

[manic carbon]

You shouldn’t, at least save credits snd get 75% so you aren’t completely disadvantaged.

[thorny smelt]

No. You should go for at least 75%

[potent garnet]

deserved, especially people who main LT

[past fractal]

Good luck with 50% crews

Get the 75% crew one (for credits) then start worrying bout researching modules if you havent had the 12.8 cm/top turret already

[olive junco]

lolz just got 75%

[past fractal]

U got the modules researched already?

[olive junco]

everything besides the tracks and the top gun

[past fractal]

Alright thats a good start

Problem with the stock turret is its armor is really weak. At least that is done

[olive junco]

btw is there any legendary camos for the e75?

[past fractal]

I don’t think it has any

[olive junco]

I’m guessing only from offers and the tank section in the store?

[past fractal]

I dont think E 75 has a legendary camo thats what im sayin

Rare camos probably but not a specific legendary one

[olive junco]

alrighty then

[violet timber]

E75 does not have a legendary camo

[olive junco]

where and what does the e75 do best

[misty wing]

Brawling other heavies

It has high alpha and less drawbacks than the E100

[elfin meadow]

Just make sure you hide your lower hull

[hollow sequoia]

lower hull is really good when angled against tier 8s

[weak socket]

hello we can still have the shearidan missil ? :)

[violet timber]

The tech tree Sheridan no longer has missiles. There is a collector tank called the Sheridan Missile that does still have the missiles, but it can only be used in fun modes

[vast sedge]

how much did the obj252u cost when it was in store? does anyone know when it is coming back?

[violet timber]

It was 5.5k last time iirc

[vast sedge]

ty

do you believe the k91 is worth it?

[violet timber]

Yes

[vast sedge]

for about 10k gold? what makes it so good?

[violet timber]

Yes

It has a stupid armor profile, very good clip damage, and enough mobility to get around

[vast sedge]

clip damage? sry im a noob

[violet timber]

It has a 3 round drum that it can fire in quick succession, but then a long reload to get another 3 shells

[vast sedge]

ah, makes sense

i already have the is6, should i save for the obj252u or k91?

[violet timber]

Get the K-91

[vast sedge]

ok

[wind burrow]

Is somua worth it ?

[violet timber]

No

Somua is absolute trash

[wind burrow]

Hmm what do u recommend then ?

[violet timber]

If you want a tier 8 clipper, the Emil 1951 works rather well

[wind burrow]

I have it and honestly i dont like it, the armor is trash

[violet timber]

Use your mobility to get one a hill. Then use what’s quite possibly the best tier 8 clipper gun to wreak havoc on your enemies

[radiant coral]

It’s AMX 50 100 but with actual armor, in return for meh accuracy and a long reload

[violet timber]

Except it has a giant cupola that invalidates all the armor it has

[radiant coral]

that’s acceptable for the armor which it has.

[thorny smelt]

I enjoyed playing with the Somua SM

[blissful osprey]

Ah, neat

[balmy compass]

Thats the point of a cupola

[manic sundial]

how do u even compare the 2? they are entirely different one is a medium tank and the other a heavy...

[manic sundial]

watch some youtube videos before u spend money on the game to know what ur spending ur moneh on mate... some of the best youtubers are hisroyalfatness and droodles blitz

[vast sedge]

Well ik that's why I'm also asking here

[manic sundial]

k91 is good and when i was a much worse player and before k91 got a buff still did 1800 avarage damage which at that time was 2 full clips of 900 and coupd even sometimes win 1 v 3s and 1v2s while being circled

it really is one of the best tier 9s. just dont rely on the armor ots more troll than anything. the cupolas are huge but troll and the hull armor is not bad at all but correct me if im wrong no spaced side armor

[vast sedge]

Problem is it costs 10k gold and I only have 1.3k

I'm not sure if the gold ads even work, they were working yesterday but not showing up today.

[manic sundial]

they show up 5 times every 24 hours or so. but if u open the game on a pc it wont work anymore for ur account

and if u dont have the gold to buy a tank then just save up the gold till christmas for the blacl market or when u habe the gold for the tank that u want

do u have a non-premium/collectible tier 9 yet?

[vast sedge]

Yes

[vast sedge]

Wym

[manic sundial]

they just dont show up anymore... ever

[vast sedge]

Well uhh, I played the game on PC before I watched ads

When does the 24h period start/end?

[balmy compass]

Whenever the server refreshes, thats when the daily challenges reset

[flint eagle]

Somau, k91, or wait?

[violet timber]

K91 is good

[empty helm]

*when playing in tier 8-9

[violet timber]

Even in tier 10 the thing slaps

[solid gate]

wait

[safe cedar]

Complete lies

Somua maintains great mobility, and the AMX 50 100s gun, while also gaining superior armor and gun depression, but it loses losing top speed, and gun handling.

[misty wing]

The Somua has an awful gun and the armor isn't great

[strange thicket]

they should really buff the accuracy on the gun

[safe cedar]

The gun's handling is awful the pen, alpha, intra clip, and dispersion are all fine.

[strange thicket]

the awful gun handling hinders its ability to bait with the armor ngl

[violet timber]

It’s not, the thing sucks. Armor is negated by a cupola, clip is negated by horrible aiming statistics.

[merry current]

armor negated by a cupola
lmfao just gun block, also its not even that big

[strange thicket]

uhhhhhhhhhhhh

[safe cedar]

It really isnt that bad, it just forces you to get closer which is the point.

[plucky summit]

Gun blocking only hides it, it never actually blocks the damage

At that point, you're just getting your gun damaged

[misty wing]

Get closer to get pushed on during your 24 second reload

[plucky summit]

The only good thing about trying to gun block is that raising your gun lowers the exposure of the cupola due to oscillation

[safe cedar]

You prefer to stay at 300m?

[strange thicket]

nah it works well in close quarters actually, when you play around your team

[plucky summit]

Nah, I prefer AMX 50 100, who can do it much better

[strange thicket]

lmao no
not with that trash hull

[merry current]

what, if they hit ur gun u take 0 dmg, and u can just repair ur broken gun, who cares
it makes cupola much harder to hit
and the fact that a small cupola completely negates all armor is incorrect in itself

[misty wing]

But it would go through the gun and pen the cupola

[merry current]

thats not how blitz works, unless they changed it in like the last 2 patches

[violet timber]

Please gun block for me! I love an easier target!

[plucky summit]

1. You gun won't block the damage unless it's HEAT or HE
2. Your cupola is harder to hit if the enemy isn't experienced in fighting Somuas
3. The cupola is massive, stop saying it's not

[plucky summit]

It has been how Blitz worked for years, you can penetrate the gun and proceed to penetrate something behind it

[thick trout]

I can't remember blitz not working like that tbh

[safe cedar]

still for the mobility it has the armour is quite good, and the gun isnt really that bad as long as they are within 250m

[violet timber]

The gun is trash. Horrible otm statistics as well as a ridiculously long clip reload

[strange thicket]

yeah the tank works very good in close fights
just make sure to have your team around so you don't get pushed on your long reload

[plucky summit]

Well, both tanks aren't real threats unless you let them sit there and reload

[strange thicket]

what are you gonna do? yolo them?

[safe cedar]

Its and autoloader clip reload should be long

[violet timber]

I’m 99% sure it’s the longest clip reload in tier 8

[plucky summit]

Nah, I'm just gonna use cover and trade them

[safe cedar]

Even if it is its still an autoloader

[plucky summit]

It's tied with IS-3D lol

[pallid flame]

Is3d more fun

[violet timber]

An autoloader that has problems bursting because of the long interclip and bad accuracy

[plucky summit]

3D is more fun

[safe cedar]

After playing Foch 155 for awhile somaus gun feels fine.

[strange thicket]

you will, your teammates will not.
you can stay in hard cover all you want there is other tanks to shoot or well, stay in hard cover forever the clip isn't going anywhere lol.
it got very good pen so it can still take shots on armored tanks.

[safe cedar]

It has standard intraclip same as every other french heavy.

[violet timber]

🤔

[strange thicket]

i still think the tank could really use an accuracy buff
i just hate the gun handling on it

[violet timber]

It’s kinda long, and combined with the accuracy it just sucks

[plucky summit]

Having 230mm of pen over like 215mm isn't too much an advantage, the weakspots of enemies remain the same

[pallid flame]

Or play another tank

[safe cedar]

Foch has a 6° gun arc, so your aim circle is constantly reset.

[blissful hamlet]

At least Foch has aiming arc

[strange thicket]

still plenty enough pen. don't see the problem
@pallid flame you know, we can argue you that for many tanks that need buffs :P

[pallid flame]

Just play the M 5 YOH

[misty wing]

How many times have we argued about the Somua here 😂

[strange thicket]

a lot

[plucky summit]

I don't see a problem either, but arguing that it can now hit armored targets just because of the pen is kinda mitigated by the fact that there were weakspots anyways

[violet timber]

I’m still not sure how anyone can see the Somua as a good tank. It just sucks

[misty wing]

I bought the bundle for the Bretagne panther lmfao

[strange thicket]

oh no, that is not what i meant by mentioning its pen.

[plucky summit]

Alright then

[violet timber]

If you want a tier 8 clipper, just get the 1951

[safe cedar]

Im not sure how you see it as awful, it really isnt.

[plucky summit]

Not awful, but not good

[violet timber]

Maybe it’s because I’ve played the game a lot and can actually tell when a tank sucks

[pallid flame]

It’s awful

[plucky summit]

Can we complain about Keiler now?

[safe cedar]

Maybe you just dont know how to play autoloaders or maybe french tanks are bit to advanced for you.

[misty wing]

imo the tank's power level is kind bad but not awful. However, the experience playing the tank is certainly awful because of the horrendous accuracy

[violet timber]

Bruh, I’ve grinded to the 50B. The 50B also happens to be one of my favorite tanks.

[plucky summit]

Be a shame if you compared stats in it

[misty wing]

I'll grind 50b once it gets pbr and the 4th shell

[strange thicket]

why not now? it is pretty fun

[safe cedar]

So?

[violet timber]

So your point is completely invalidated? Why don’t you actually try arguing with tank stats instead of just saying I don’t know how to play.

[plucky summit]

I must be on the wrong page, but it says you got 10 battles innit

[violet timber]

Most of my battles are in tournies and TRs with it

[plucky summit]

Ah, gotta love it when only randoms are counted

[violet timber]

I am a personal believer that the 50B is one of the best tourney tanks out there whenever you have 2 guys in it who can play well together

[plucky summit]

It is often a tournament play

[thick trout]

A tanks performance and role in randoms and in tournaments tend to be pretty different

[merry current]

Yoh exists and has better survivability
And t100 meta doesn't care

[plucky summit]

Ah yes, that def means 50B bad now ._.

[violet timber]

Yoh isn’t as quick, and doesn’t deal 2.4K when you get two of them

[hollow notch]

Why not 7?
Full yolo all of them, clip out 4 reds, chase down the remaining 3 menacingly until reloadef

[merry current]

Survivability matters way more than being able to do a bit more dmg in comp

[safe cedar]

Somua is still quite fast, most mediums struggle with the armour, and even if they do pen the somua they have to aim in which can give you time to clip them.

[plucky summit]

They're gonna force you to overstretch just to get shots, and crossfire will nail you down

But good idea, I suppose

[violet timber]

I’d honestly like to try that in a QT some time

@merry current mobility also matters, and the 50B has quite a bit of that

[violet timber]

They aim in faster than you. And they are faster than you. And you have a giant cupola.

[merry current]

Sure in a QT who cares ppl aren't as good
But in high level comp Yoh is much more preferred than 50b

[misty wing]

Just doesn't seem that special and I hate the non HD graphics

[hollow notch]

It would be pure comedy
Sure, you take hits.
But the red teams dpm get crippled by having half the team bursted out

[thick trout]

Ehhh I'd say 50b is probably more useful than yoh, they are pretty different roles. 50b gets you mobile firepower and yoh gets concentrated firepower

[violet timber]

I’ve also wanted to try a full 4005 strat, or full TVP strat. However, I sadly do not own the 4005

[plucky summit]

I'd be happy to try out 4005 strat with you

[merry current]

I've ran double 4005 in 2v2 and clapped
Doesn't mean it's good

[misty wing]

4005's gun handling feels weirdly bad, maybe it's the slow turret traverse

[violet timber]

It’s 1,380 clip damage right now, imagine a full 7 4005s after 9.1

[thick trout]

7bcs and good focus is even more fun, reds literally don't have the speed to react so have to hope on blocking/tracking enough of them while being shredded. I've had the fun of being on both ends of it in the past lol

[strange thicket]

naw that is just you, the gun is very nice

[pallid flame]

It’s fine how it is

[misty wing]

I'm not saying it should be buffed

[violet timber]

I also wanna try 7 Mauses and completely give up any sense of map control

[plucky summit]

Supremacy camping, js

[hollow notch]

7 mice on himmels? Oh yea

[plucky summit]

If only Himmels was comp ;-;

[violet timber]

Himmels would be an interesting comp map

[plucky summit]

But noooo, we gotta play WinTER MalinovKA 🤢

[violet timber]

Winter Mali can be interesting, just tripple 50B rush through med side

[hollow notch]

Both teams having the same idea: insert spiderman

[plucky summit]

Then it's truly a skill-based battle

How wholesome

[violet timber]

We should make comp have forced lineups so it’s always skill based

[hollow notch]

Imagine if comp was given a random and limited amount of tanks to select from for each match

[violet timber]

That would be interesting tbh

[plucky summit]

Yeah, and to spice it up, they make it nationality-restricted to be more historically accurate 😂

But what I really wanna see in comp is low tier battles

I would love imagining a bunch of M2 Lights running around doing maneuvers that you'd never expect an M2 Light player to do

[violet timber]

“Team A gets 3 Tigers and Team B gets 7 Easy 8s. Fight.”

[hollow notch]

Yesssss tier 1 comp

[thick trout]

See which team had the most people around when Kenny was sold lol

[plucky summit]

Tier 1 is probs M2 Light or Pz. II spam
Tier 2 is full T18s
Tier 3 is Otsus with II J's to those who lack Otsu, and Pz. IIIs otherwise

[violet timber]

Tutorial tank tournaments

[hollow notch]

Are those even balanced?

[violet timber]

Uhhhhhhhhhh…

[plucky summit]

Tier 4 is B1 and Matilda spam, coupled with Luchs
Tier 5 is T1 Heavy and BDR only, of course

The tutorial tanks are buffed, so they wouldn't be

[violet timber]

Nah it’d be fine

[plucky summit]

Sherman Easy 8's armor is legitimately scary

[violet timber]

That’ll be the tutorial tank meta then

[plucky summit]

No it won't because Tiger I is a tier 6 with 2741 DPM ._.

[violet timber]

Seems balanced to me

[plucky summit]

It's more armored than the Tiger I 😩

Sure beats T-34-85's 250mm gun mantlet

[violet timber]

Wait Wut

[plucky summit]

Not the entire thing, just the small part around the gun

[violet timber]

Bruh

[plucky summit]

Tier 6 is better than tier 7, I see no counter-arguing this

Alright I shall now organize my own comp team for low tier comp

LOL apparently 30mm in tier 1 is scary

[violet timber]

Wow

[hollow notch]

Lol

[plucky summit]

Alright I know my tier 1 comp team

7 x WarDuck

[hollow notch]

Torp duck best duck

[plucky summit]

Duh, 900 DPM

[solid gate]

The BC 25 t is just soo outdat

Literally every other light or med is easier and in most cases better than it

[strange thicket]

bc25t is still pretty good
just hard to play

[merry current]

it's still a great tank, just can't farm as hard in pubs cuz everyone sits in the open and u don't have consistent dpm

[safe cedar]

Tier IV, I would expect the PZ38t na to be there.

[plucky summit]

I get that nA is more versatile, but I like the top in tier DPM and 180 burst of the Luchs

[safe cedar]

That traverse though it painful.

[plucky summit]

So here's my tier 1 comp team 😊

[strange thicket]

it farms pretty good in pubs tbh, everyone sitting in the open is more to farm and the clip is very versatile

[plucky summit]

Tier 2 lineup

[strange thicket]

wh- what even is that tank lmao

[plucky summit]

T18, how dare you

[strange thicket]

oh, excuse my unfamiliarity
haven't spent much time looking at tanks 😂

[plucky summit]

Imagine not being able to identify any Blitz tank when you see them 😤

Tier 3 lineup

I'd prefer II Js for map control

[balmy compass]

I would do panzers imo

mostly because I like German tanks

[plucky summit]

Yeah but Pz. II has 40% less DPM

Also here's my tier 4 lineup
That was just a Luchs ._.
1 sec

[balmy compass]

I honestly thought all tier Is were nearly the same except armor profiles

[plucky summit]

Cruiser II not only has a two-burst, but 666 DPM, far greater than the rest

[balmy compass]

what a funny number 666
sounds like a Star Wars reference to me

[plucky summit]

Here's my actual tier 4 lineup

[misty wing]

No Matilda's?

[balmy compass]

B1s are more maneuverable I think

[misty wing]

What about Collab tank tourney

[plucky summit]

No.

[balmy compass]

I have no idea whats that

[plucky summit]

And finally, tier 5

[balmy compass]

I wasnt expecting krupps

[plucky summit]

They're for the mobility, but they still have some armor to work with

I just like little rats running around, I guess

[pale snow]

how much could be the birthday event tank in gold buyout?

[lofty marlin]

concept 1b

https://tenor.com/view/деньги-take-my-money-возьмитемоиденьги-gif-21984393

[pale snow]

not that the cs 52 lis

[shy hound]

Watch HisRoyalFatness’s fairly recent stream on it…helped me learn the play style a LOT. Very fun tank

[mystic sleet]

Wouldn't T1 heavies and pz 5/4s be good enough if not better?

[solid gate]

I will watch that

[plucky summit]

This is why we need tier 5 comp play, so we know :3

[solid gate]

Amx elc bis

[frigid harbor]

rng ARL 44<<<<<<<< rng is-3

[blissful osprey]

I suppose you could just run ELC's instead of Krupps.

[plucky summit]

Again, I'm running for the armor here

[thorny smelt]

Where's VK 16.02 Leopard?

[plucky summit]

Bad tank

[thorny smelt]

_>

[cobalt aspen]

Simple, just don't put it in tier 8, in tier 10 it might be more balanced (even with these stats)

[thorny smelt]

With T57 Heavy armor profile

[cobalt aspen]

exactly

[balmy compass]

😐

[proven river]

WG should give the T14 a 76mm gun with 6.5 seconds of reload.

The penetration on it's 75 is lackluster, it turns the Pz IV G red.

[thorny smelt]

Did you made Pz. IV G get mad at you?

[proven river]

No, I took a 108mm penetration gun to fight a Pz IV G.

[violet timber]

You’re having trouble with this?

[balmy compass]

The whole turret can be penned 💀

[lyric oriole]

It already got a buff before

The issue is everything in tier 5 except the American, and the TD tanks got armor buffs

So the penetration buffs a lot of Vehicles got were nullified

[pale plank]

tiger tank

[blissful osprey]

Gee, thx for giving the tank an armament it was never designed for.

[thin edge]

Type 71 is a very low research cost.

[distant nymph]

Yes we are expecting their modules to be expensive to compensate for that

[umbral hamlet]

actually we already had access to the module's prices from the common test, and they're cheap too

here's an excel sheet where you can find all the research costs (credits to WoTB News) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1okQIwbjnUfw_4LDAdpiKCLg4xJxA19zuQfpcTT1TzFk/edit?usp=sharing

[boreal spruce]

chonky boi

@static token nice training room you got there

[static token]

what

[blissful osprey]

Looks like people are stupidly pinging you as well.

[boreal spruce]

it was just cause we were sharing a training room lol. 🤣

[potent garnet]

Keiler 4% drop chance in crates

[opaque flicker]

Is that the lowe?

[potent garnet]

no

[opaque flicker]

Looks similar, what is it?

[plucky summit]

It's a better version :p
Keiler

[opaque flicker]

I have no idea what that is

[plucky summit]

New tank, go on blitzhangar

[opaque flicker]

Let me guess, another German tank?

[plucky summit]

Yup

[opaque flicker]

Good lord we need to focus on china or more on Japan, we already have more German tanks than American tanks

And the European nation, what ever happened to those guys? They don't really get any love other than the TP tanks

[potent garnet]

yall should see how heated the discussion on the keiler got at blitzpost discord

[plucky summit]

japanese heavies are coming ._.

[umbral hamlet]

it's very ez: keiler it's not worth it even if it's a better e75ts, cuz it's worse than tigerII anyway

[violet timber]

We probably aren’t getting too many more Chinese tanks considering most of the tech tree is either not Chinese tanks or just made up tanks

[potent garnet]

try telling them 🤣🤣🤣

[opaque flicker]

Make up some more tanks 💀

[thorny smelt]

Type 5 Heavy as the collector's vehicle

[umbral hamlet]

what about: no

[empty helm]

Pls nerf grille 15 armor leopard HE shells can't pen it 😭 😭 🤓 🤓

[violet timber]

🥱

[orchid dagger]

What a balanced vehicle. Am sure it will be fun

[violet timber]

It’s going to be changed

[empty helm]

Booo 👎

[violet timber]

That’s good, this thing would be busted with its current stats

[strange thicket]

Wh-

[thorny smelt]

Mine got deleted 12 hours ago

[plucky summit]

950 alpha in tier 8? That’s just obnoxious

[thorny smelt]

What do you expect from HEP/HESH?

[kindred wren]

ISU-152, Rhm.-B. WT: Are we a joke to you?

[thorny smelt]

The premium AP is 650 for a 16 cm gun but 292 mm pen. This means it could butter any tier 8 armor.

[kindred wren]

Also, as I tried to convey yesterday these stats are horrible

[plucky summit]

It’s still obnoxious, and those two don’t have 180 pen

[thorny smelt]

2 shots and those two are 100% dead

[kindred wren]

180 pen is not enough to go through the standard of ‚heavy‘ armour, meaning even weak heavy upper plates, and thus by extension also not enough to go through strong medium upper plates

[plucky summit]

I don’t care about how practical it is, I’m just saying that having about double the pen with nearly the same alpha is obnoxious :p

I like the fact that 3 of the 4 modules are tier 10, and the 4th is still tier 8

It sucks, but it’s stupid and toxic 🤷‍♂️

Personally I’m a fan of the shell velocity 😂

[empty helm]

Imagine if that thing have a tier 8 engine

[plucky summit]

One can argue that it just is, but WG flaunts it as tier 10 anyways

[kindred wren]

It indeed is a very unnecessary tank

[spring flame]

When will the Girls und Panzer pack come back?

[thorny smelt]

Yeah

[fleet rock]

keiler an E75 TS , why to buy so expensive an old tank ? lol

[thorny smelt]

Because it is an E 75 TS Keiler (pun intended)

[scarlet kernel]

This look bad and confusing, but anyway
I checked blitzhangar and apparently from tier 5 to 8 the jp ht would have the same stock engine as the top engine for the previous tank

Basically, for ex. if you haven't researched the top engine for the mitsu 108, you can just research the Ju-Nu and the top engine for 108 would be automatically researched

[blissful hamlet]

Mitsubishi 108 has 3° of gp, right?

[kindred wren]

This is not too uncommon

[blissful hamlet]

It's like the E3/E4 line, most tanks use the same engine since the t7 (maybe not but the module sharing is very visible between those lines)

[scarlet kernel]

I mean it is not rare, but all that in the same line 3 in a row is something i guess

[blissful hamlet]

D-25T cough cough

[scarlet kernel]

Not the "research this module and then you wont need to research it again" type

This is the, "you don't need to research this module, just get the next tank"

[kindred wren]

This game will have you believe that Russia had 100 types of tanks but only five types of guns

[elder forum]

Keller it is not 75 TS😊

[balmy compass]

Several tank lines or even the same tank lines share common parts like guns and engines

[thorny smelt]

WOT PC: Haha Haha Haha Are you serious?

[lofty marlin]

on pc its awesome ig

[balmy compass]

So, E 75 with a Lowe turret and TS side skirts

[night citrus]

I thought the Keiler tank had the name E75 RT

[balmy compass]

Yes thats the official name, I was comparing parts of the Keiler to other tanks

[thorny smelt]

Not to be confused with the already existing E 75 TS we have already

[neat nimbus]

Is worth it?

Let's pretend is for 15 grand of gold with mystery crates and rest of the bundle

[umbral hamlet]

no, just get a TigerII

[neat nimbus]

I'm 8 alternate universes ahead of you

[thorny smelt]

Eh just skip it. I prefer the tank itself sold in gold

[neat nimbus]

I agree and not worth if doesn't have legendary camo (hope WG make a realistic legendary camo)

[nova hull]

Im i good with Svear ?

[neat nimbus]

Svear should have been a 3d camouflage for the Leo Swedish medium rather than a tank apart

[exotic narwhal]

Amx 50b or t57 heavy

[umbral hamlet]

50b if you're skilled (unicum+ in tier10), t57 if not that much

[neat nimbus]

I'm on my way to to 50b

[lofty marlin]

why keiler is super slow? i feel like i got scammed, i cant take my money back tho :/, give it same speed as tiger 2, whats the point of making it slower than at 15

[thick trout]

20% worse acceleration for 12.5% better top speed and 20% better reverse speed is a trade-off not one being worse than the other...

[balmy compass]

It is another German superheavy

[solid gate]

Tutorial tiger is strong, tutorial tanks are op, besides that I think there's going to have a type 58 tutorial

[lofty marlin]

it is, when i climb to a small hill, it feels like a t95 unlike tiger 2 which climbs double faster than keiler

[lofty marlin]

i know its a balancing factor but they could have gave it less alpha and better engine

[blissful hamlet]

Just look at wotpc, the guns are always D-25/D-30 somenthing, M62-T2 something, many ways to name the same gun

[violet timber]

It’s fine, stop complaining

[hollow notch]

What, but he said he got scammed.
Definitely couldn't mean that he just pressed buy without even looking at what was being bought.

[valid gale]

Pretty much just as fast too lol

[wind burrow]

Keiler is worst E75 TS VERSION !

[chilly imp]

Could anyone tell me how much this model kit is approximately worth?

[lofty marlin]

do u own it?

[lofty marlin]

i can send a replay climbing up to hill, its slow af istg, please dont talk if u guys dont own the tank

[violet timber]

No, but I do happen to own the Lowe which has worse mobility and I don’t have a problem with it

[lofty marlin]

man please dont say something about the tank if u dont own it, please play first u'll understand me, im talking about this not about löwe

[violet timber]

I’ve played the Lowe, it has worse mobility. The Keiler is fine, stop complaining.

[lofty marlin]

go get the tank first please.

[violet timber]

I don’t need to get the tank to know that you’re just complaining to complain

[lofty marlin]

bcs im right, u can ask to any other keiler owners, 90% they will agree with me

[violet timber]

You aren’t right, that’s the thing. You’re just looking for something to complain about

[lofty marlin]

bruh i dont, im just telling a simple fact and u ignoring it + u dont own the tank 😂

[violet timber]

I’m not ignoring it, I’ve told you why you’re wrong + I’ve played a tank with worse mobility

[solid gate]

Bruh

[lofty marlin]

yea but they are different, they are not the same, löwe has been in the game for ages, this is new and it supposed to be different, u cant expect something worse than the previous one, cmon..

[violet timber]

It’s not worse, it’s better, by a long shot

[solid gate]

Man’s crying when he got a good premium that is literally meta 🤣 . If anything Lowe sucks now

[lofty marlin]

dude im not crying, and do u own the tank? ''no''

[violet timber]

You got a tank that basically invalidates the Lowe and you’re crying about it

[solid gate]

Yeah on a alt

[lofty marlin]

ok

[lofty marlin]

terrarain resistence thats the issue with the tank

[violet timber]

And yet it has better p/w than the Lowe

[lofty marlin]

stats doesnt mean anything, u cant say its good, slow or bad if u didnt play with it, thats why im asking u to play it before talking here m8

[solid gate]

Bro 💀

[lofty marlin]

u fine with speed while climbing a hill?

[solid gate]

Yes maybe because I equip it good

[violet timber]

Speed stats are literally the only stat you can look at and compare without a game scenario 💀

[lofty marlin]

it has the same speed while climbing a hill with t95

[solid gate]

Run the red speed thing … goes faster and it doesn’t even matter in game or not.

[lofty marlin]

that speed thing doesnt effect too much on slow tanks, but it does on meds and lights or fast tanks

[valid gale]

By that logic so does the tiger 2 because they pretty much have identical stats

[violet timber]

Unfortunately, the Keiler is in fact faster than the T95. This makes your point invalid, have a nice day

[lofty marlin]

what i mean by speed is while climbing a hill, it feels like titan hn or something like that

[valid gale]

And the stats show t95 is still slower at it

[lofty marlin]

try the titan hn, they are similar

[lofty marlin]

tiger 2 feels so fast to me, idk if its psychological lmao

[lofty marlin]

see

[violet timber]

See what? That the Titan is even slower?

[lofty marlin]

yea but the terrain resistance not the power to weight

[violet timber]

What about it? The fact that it’s a balancing factor keeping the tank from literally dominating the tier?

[lofty marlin]

idk man, its my own opinion u might agree or not, i saw people complaining under the wg's video and i agree with them, it feels slow to most people its not only me

[violet timber]

Not every premium can have the holy trinity of armor, mobility, and firepower. Some of them have these things called “balancing factors” making them more balanced.

[valid gale]

Doesn’t help most people on the yt comments are utterly helpless the stats literally disagree with you

[lofty marlin]

balancing factor worked on this tank like it worked on 260 yk, they took from something too much and gave it from something too much

[violet timber]

Even with its mobility, it’s still a very good tank. Good gun, good armor, and decent mobility compared to other tanks of the same type

[lofty marlin]

yea probably most of them dont even know about the tank

[lofty marlin]

i didnt say its bad, its good but feels so slow for a top speed of 40km, it feels like top speed of 30

[violet timber]

Just imagine if wargaming listened to you and buffed the mobility. The Keiler would be hands down the best tier 8 heavy tank.

[lofty marlin]

im not telling u to buff it, im saying that they should buff the thing that which makes the tank climb hills faster..

[hollow gazelle]

That is litterally a buff...

[lofty marlin]

top speed is fine, i would make it 35 or 30 and give it a better power to weight

[violet timber]

Buffing the p/w would buff its mobility everywhere. It would increase its acceleration, which is exactly what you just said you didn’t what to do.

[lofty marlin]

everyone would be fine with this, its like is 7 which cant even reach to its top speed

[valid gale]

Actually wait when is this ever a problem that hinders ingame enjoyability I can only come up with the hill middleburg and the slopes on Mayan ruins

[lofty marlin]

im a person which goes with meds most of the time, if u are kinda player that which goes to city then u would like it

[violet timber]

So just make it a Tiger 2 with better armor and a better gun? Yeah, let’s all pray that that doesn’t happen.

[lofty marlin]

this one has weaker lower plate but better turret, they can give it less alpha, this tank is not hard to balance unlike a obj 260 or 268v4

[violet timber]

It also has a much better gun, and the lower plate doesn’t matter with its 8 degrees of gun depression

[hollow gazelle]

"Just make it a medium with heavy armour"

[lofty marlin]

if this one has 12 power to weight, im telling u to make it 14 or 14.5 not much.. just make it enough to climb hills little bit faster thats all im asking for extra 2-3kms would help so much

[violet timber]

It would also make the tank much stronger! This is not something we need, considering it already makes one tank irrelevant.

[lofty marlin]

yea that would make e75ts useless, u are right but man it rly feels so slow idk how to explain, i gtg

[violet timber]

Not every premium can be perfect. They have to have flaws so that they are balanced!

[lofty marlin]

i agree but they balanced this one wrong i think, it needs a rework i think idk if they even tested it tho

[kind bluff]

why would you take a keiler with mediums every game

[hollow notch]

M8
It has a an effective power to weight of 8.1

The maus has an effective power to weight of 8.5

If YOU had bothered to look at the stats before pressing buy, you wouldn't be here crying.

I don't have to play the tank when I can look at the mobility stats and realize a tank is slow.

If you wanted a fast tank, buy a fast tank.
You don't get a ru251 and then start crying about the tank having no armor and it needing a buff.

[lofty marlin]

i said ''its my own opinion'' u dont have to reply in the first place lol and u got the whole conversation totally wrong, go read them all

[hollow notch]

I only replied to your clown response to me.

[lofty marlin]

maybe its bcs u were being a clown?

i dont wanna argue m8, its my own opinion u might agree or not, simple as it is

[hollow notch]

Ah yes.
Because stats that are available to look at somehow don't mean anything, and I apparently don't know what a power to weight of 8 does to a tank climbing a hill.

Look at stats before you buy.
If you buy and then start crying about the tank not being what you wanted, don't buy it in the first place.

[faint walrus]

what does enriching a tank do?

[mystic sleet]

Temporary or pernament enrichment makes a tank earn more credits per battle

[night citrus]

you make a tech tree tank a somewhat premium tank, but not premium tank

[hollow notch]

It boosts the credit earnings of a vehicle

It increases the credit coefficient (multiplier) of a vehicle.

Never temporarily enrich anything.
Only enrich a tank if it's the only thing you play and the enrichment is on sale. The default price is actually terrible

[faint walrus]

cheers

[faint walrus]

so is the 1.1k gold only to temporarily enrich? i thought it was permanent

[radiant coral]

me who enriched E-100 14 days for 2k gold kekw

[mystic sleet]

You can check by clicking on the price. But I think that 1.1k gold is only for temporary enrichment

[hollow notch]

Yup, if you tap on that it brings up this

[hollow notch]

F

[radiant coral]

Tbf it’s one of my favorites tier 10
I spammed it so much lol
No regrets 🤞🏽

[mystic sleet]

Enriching anything above tier 8 is useless, since it's only temporary

[faint walrus]

oh ty

At what tier to do get the most credits per win?

[strange thicket]

tier 8 premiums are the most profitable tanks

[thorny smelt]

Well the ammo rack is in the turret

[sweet whale]

I literarly cant afford the FV4202. I loose 15-20k credits per game and i have a terrible avg damage of 1k and 35% winrate in it. I like the tank but there’s so many things that dont make it pleasant to play

[sweet whale]

Bro whats with this mindset? I can write a whole article about a tank i dont even own. Where’s the issue

[plucky summit]

Yeah, arguing that someone doesn't know the tank because they haven't played it is uh, rickety

[sweet whale]

There’s things like RNG, poor teams, and me dying early game cuz i dont get enough help from my team. Maybe even me

[sweet whale]

So true, so true…

[merry current]

Sounds like skill issue
Doing 1k avg is definitely ur fault, sure teams may be bad, rng bad, but at the end of the day the majority of the problems is from u

Granted 4202 is hard to play, so myb try learning on a easier med

[tulip knot]

i need help deciding between t10s. should i rebuy my e50m, rebuy my obj 263, or buy the t-62a

[merry current]

not the 263
e50 vs 62 is personal preference

[violet timber]

E50M

[tulip knot]

im kind of bored with e50m. i have 150 battles in it and i want something new

im trying t62a

[scarlet kernel]

I have like 5k gold rn, waiting for a tx collector to be on sale for 12.5k so i can sell my e6 to get it. Then i can add that new tank i got in my acc, and sell them again for another 12.5k offer
Repeat till i can buy all tX collector for 7.500 gold

[umbral hamlet]

fv4202 is a really skill-dependent tank, if don't avarage at least 2.5k on it you'll probably lose a lot of credits per game

[strange thicket]

try to avoid direct confrontation
the tank requires you to exploit distracted enemies and always have hesh on
switch to regular shells when you are forced to otherwise hesh will do the job.
use your mobility to get around to the sides of enemies and rotate. tank is pretty fast with the 60kmh top speed

[copper swan]

and use calibrated shells for the hesh gun

[sweet whale]

I played centurion 7/1 and did way better. Yes it has better turret but its sluggish and has bad hull armor

[sweet whale]

But maybe i just had a bad night. And pls dont skill issue me its annoying even if it may be true

Ahh there we go

[umbral hamlet]

no camo?

[sweet whale]

How can i have one if it costs 150k credits

And i have less than 200k

[strange thicket]

do you not have any premium tanks?

[umbral hamlet]

you get 3/4 free camos from each battle pass, how long have you been playing this game?

[sweet whale]

I do but they get boring over time… @umbral hamlet BP camos mostly ugly and i sold most of them for splinters

[strange thicket]

yeah but you need to grind credits on them else you are gonna be broke
at least keep your reserves above 2mil

[sweet whale]

Yea ok…

[umbral hamlet]

yes but camo gives an actual camo bonus, so even if it's ugly use it

[strange thicket]

i think they should remove the camo bonus thingy, sometimes tanks look nice with the stock camo.

[sweet whale]

Bruhh i keep getting pushed by some autoloaders in my fv and they always get away with it coz my team is always not giving any uhm about me

[acoustic galleon]

You get a free clan camo, it looks ugly but does the job.

[sweet whale]

I know all free camos and yes they are all ugly

[acoustic galleon]

Wargaming frequently gives out free camos though, nice ones. I have got 4 different animated camos without spending anything.

[strange thicket]

don't go alone then and stick with your team

[sweet whale]

I have that chinese garden camo but i dont rlly like it on fv

[lofty marlin]

yea u can but i dont think owners of the tank will agree with u 😂

as i said ''its my opinion'' stop this thing, im rly bored and i wont talk about it again, everyone has their own opinions

[sweet whale]

Well what im tryina say is that u can just look at tanks stats

[lofty marlin]

man it rly doesnt mean anything especially if the tank is new, just bcs leopard 1 known with its laser gun, would u say t62 is better?

its the same thing what u trying to say

[sweet whale]

Yes i would. T62 is easier to play and has similar dpm and better armor

[scarlet kernel]

T62 have a more accurate gun lmao

[opaque flicker]

Got the T25/2, so far it's a nightmare and definitely more of a sniper tank, it's slow and not enough armor

[empty helm]

How to play T30

[misty wing]

hull down, take opportunistic shots
abuse the HE as with any 640/960 gun

[empty helm]

Ty

[muted grotto]

Nerf armor?

[ocean parrot]

Nerf leopard

[empty helm]

What leopard

[nova hull]

Is JG E100 worth to grind? (for 50%+ WR)

[ocean parrot]

Tier 5

[empty helm]

Leopard got nerfed to hell

And it need a buff rn

[livid moss]

Centurion MK I worth it??

[empty helm]

Yes if you fully research it

[strange thicket]

no, trash tank
finish grind as fast as possible and get 7/1

[livid moss]

Ok

I need 200k more to buy MK 1

[ocean parrot]

Still op

The Leopard can easily kill a kv-1

[plucky summit]

Yeah because the KV-1 is hot garbage

[sudden geyser]

Leopard OP... what year is it?

[nimble topaz]

keiler seems a scary tank T^T

[empty helm]

If the leopard get around it

[umbral hamlet]

leopard can't pen a kv1 reliably, and if the kv1 has a brain and uses a cover to stop the leopard from circling the leo is going to lose pretty easily

[livid moss]

Who agrees that M41Ds are annoying

[shell robin]

I agree. After all, I play it.

[lofty marlin]

i do but once u facehug them they are nothing more than a rat

[shell robin]

first though you have to catch them.

nope.

I don't know. Up to you.

[vocal venture]

for me its better to not buy

[shell robin]

I don't see anything there that'll help with that

If it comes with xp, free exp, and credit boosters, do get it, I suppose. Otherwise, skip.

[lofty marlin]

en sağdaki alınır onun haricindekiler çöp

[lofty marlin]

seninle aynı

[earnest cove]

Romanian tanks should be added since romania has many tanks and can start its own teach tree it would be great since 4% of world of tanks biltz community are romanians(including me) so yeah

[violet timber]

What Romanian tanks would you be referring to? Because Romania has very few domestic designs during WW2 and none during the Cold War.

[lyric copper]

add this line add that line

how about you add grass to the list of things you have touched today

[lofty marlin]

yenimi başladın

sen bilirsin, ben önermiyorum ama o golda değmez, istersen alada bilirsin, bende 4 yıllık premium var oyüzden ihtiyacım yok

[carmine girder]

Who can play with me, i have top acc on cis

[autumn jacinth]

Uh...
Guys...

[balmy compass]

suspension smh

[mystic sleet]

I've heard that you can sidescrape in a CAX fairly decently, but you can't do that in the tech tree version. When I look at the turret placement, it looks to me as if they are positioned in the same place. How come? Is it because of the thicker side armor the CAX has or is it something else?

[violet timber]

Caern has 53mm sides, AX has 90mm sides

[blissful osprey]

Eh, the Caern got that sweet 225 alpha, the CAX is still sitting at 190.

[mystic sleet]

So, it's just a question of side armor thickness

[violet timber]

Yes

[plucky summit]

Because Caernarvon's side is 53mm, and Action's side is 90mm

If you have 212mm+ AP penetration, the side armor effectiveness is basically equal, rico or penetration

But due to a certain mechanic, hitting Caernarvon's tracks basically guarantees a penetration, though Action X holds stronger due to thicker side armor anyways

[dreamy osprey]

english please

[lofty marlin]

nobody says talk english, it doesnt say in rules tho

[wintry orchid]

Official server language is English. Using other languages in public channels is unacceptable.

Second sentence smh

[dreamy osprey]

literally the third line in rules

[lofty marlin]

its not for general?

[dreamy osprey]

It applies to the entire server, i suggest you go through the rules again

[lofty marlin]

ok chill

[dreamy osprey]

you are free to use any language in DMs

[blissful osprey]

Ah, people who don't read are just the best, aren't they?

[nova hull]

First game with 75% crew

[dim pollen]

Cool

[opaque flicker]

I want my first tank to be the T110E4, but I dont want to suffer the T28 prot stock engine

Or is it 0E3? The names are similar, the one with a turret

Turret and does 640 damage, that one

Any hints on how to grind better?

[dim pollen]

T28 prot isn't tht painful though. The gun is powerful, hull is troll and frontal plate is hard for tier 7.

Just play it like a heavy tank but don't absorb any damage. Hit the reds hard with ur gun and u can easily farm 3k dmg in 1 game

[opaque flicker]

Rn I'm on the T25/2, I am currently suffering a tank with no armor and is very slow

[dim pollen]

Dude T25/2 has awesome dpm. Reloads quickly, does 225 dmg. Only thing which sucks is turret speed.

Play it like a peekaboo and don't get caught alone. Farm damages by being behind the bushes.

I enjoyed this tank so much

[opaque flicker]

I tried to that

Didnt know an SPIC was going to obliterate me

[dim pollen]

Oh u have stock XD

[opaque flicker]

Lmao yes

[dim pollen]

Well thts gonna suck for sure bro

[opaque flicker]

I didnt do anything wrong, just wasnt expecting to get shot at within the first 20 seconds of the round, nor did I expect a fast tank to do 400+ damage to my tank, honestly kinda scared me because I wasnt expecting to get shot xd

You could imagine my reaction to losing a quarter of my health, and getting 4 critically damaged modules in a single shot

[dim pollen]

Well u shouldn't have moved past tht bush. Tht gave away ur position. Also, Faust map has plenty of open sides where the TDs can place themselves.

Get the top gun module, upgrade engine and voila! U get a tank like hellcat, just a tad slower

[opaque flicker]

I loved the hellcat, it was OP lmao

[signal musk]

That tank looks so painful

[dim pollen]

Yep! I won't say T25 is op though lol. But it's decent. It's good bcoz of its dpm. Just keeo yourself hidden.

[opaque flicker]

Also just trying to stick with my teammates, that bush didn't have any good views on the enemies so I attempted to peek the corner and get a quick shot at one of them

Did not go very well for me

[opaque flicker]

The speed? Accuracy? Armor? Or camo that I used?

[dim pollen]

U have to be patient while playing TD lol. U r a sniper. Never forget tht.

[opaque flicker]

Well I would've taken damage anyway, the SPIC was there remember? It would've taken me out when I wasnt paying attention

[signal musk]

Everything

[dim pollen]

Thts where the teammates having medium or light should be present to support u. But RIP teammates.

[opaque flicker]

Yeah you could see me saying "teammates help" lmao

[opaque flicker]

Yeah that camo doesnt work well with Faust

[dim pollen]

Platooning helps while grinding stock

[opaque flicker]

Not in a group yet, still looking

[thorny smelt]

You can platoon with one of your friends

[opaque flicker]

I dont have friends

[thorny smelt]

Ooof

[dim pollen]

Lol u can play with me

[opaque flicker]

Alright, Dms? I only have around 150 battles so I'm not insane at the game

[civic iron]

you need to multiply those battles by 100 and thats what you need to be an average player

[opaque flicker]

15,000 battles? I'm new to the game and still working on it

[violet timber]

Imagine needing 15,000 battles to be better than the average player

[civic iron]

thats all good, but for the love of god dont camp in anything other than TDs that are meant to be camped with, not frontline TDs

[violet timber]

@opaque flicker If you want a toon mate for a bit, I can do some battles

[opaque flicker]

I never camp in any tank, I always change positions around the map to avoid getting blind shotted

• I usually guess which tank is shooting at me by looking at the damage it does to my tank, then I hide and look at the player list to see which tank does that amount of damage

[civic iron]

wise man

what is your ign? maybe we could platoon sometime

[frail dagger]

people who camp in heavies are lower then mold, why would you do that

[hollow plover]

nono, big armour means youre protected when sniping enemies

i know right, such a good idea

and when you look at it, they also do more damage per shot too

we gotta get more people in on this

[dim pollen]

Lmao tht cringe positioning of a behemoth. What a waste of good armor

[willow gust]

jagd pz e100 bug armmo

[empty helm]

German engineering

[dim pollen]

Seems the shell blew off while being in the barrel. Prone to happen in real life. Never seen a real life glitch in blitz though. Interesting

[violet timber]

What tds would they add?

Romania has like 2 designs, Italians are made up at best, WG has already said Swedish tds aren't coming

[opaque flicker]

Thoughts on SU-85I?

[violet timber]

I don't think we need another E4 in the game

[valid gale]

It’s like the most obscure tank next on their list

[weak furnace]

is this good setup for M41D?

[split ember]

this question is on you

[acoustic galleon]

Never use enhanced tracks, they are virtually useless. And I would suggest adrenaline over speed boost.

[weak furnace]

okay thanks, anything else is good?

[acoustic galleon]

Pretty much. If you're going to run adrenaline however, it might be worth it to switch over to calibrated shells.

[valid gale]

Nah CS isn’t needed it’s more than fast enough to deal damage also has unusually decent pen

Vertical stab is also better as it’s gonna be more mobile rather than sitting and aiming in most of the time

[acoustic galleon]

I don't remember which bulldog has the high pen HE but if this one does, its worth it running calibrated shells.

[valid gale]

That’s black dog

[cedar brook]

Bros the best wdym

[scarlet kernel]

Wish i have enough free exp to atleast skip to type 68 with the plan 2 turret

[solid gate]

umm
go for

left,left,left
left,right,right
left,left,left or right (depens on you.)

[plucky summit]

Just edit this image B)

[empty helm]

Hmmm non-color Minecraft fireflies

[plucky summit]

🙃

[thorny smelt]

But they're poisonous to frogs

[balmy compass]

They wont be added to the game 😔

[solid gate]

what happened to the american T-34 ? premium tank

[balmy compass]

The T34 (American) is still in the game but was removed from the premium section of the tech tree, if you are looking to buy it the July 4th weekend usually sells the T34 (1776) variant for around 5.5k gold

[solid gate]

damn they removed a lot of tanks

[lofty marlin]

i did u unfunny clown, read what i said

[violet timber]

And? They’re mostly tanks with special features to set them apart from other lines

[blissful osprey]

Never looked like it.

[acoustic galleon]

How is the Standard B? Especially compared to the Pantera?

[strange thicket]

much better, the gun is beautiful especially the alpha
it is not too fast but it certainly feels faster. it is mobile enough.
it is also very flexible, auto reloader + mobility + gun dep and elevation are spot on and make for a very flexible build. it doesn't have armor so you should avoid direct confrontations unless you are clipping out an enemy and have enough hp to take a hit or two.
oh it is also not as big and much lower to the ground which is a plus

[acoustic galleon]

TY.

[solid gate]

Kind stupid firstly nerfed E75TS and then bring it back again as Keiler.

[lyric copper]

when did they nerf 75TS?

[solid gate]

Before it was making at least 350 dmg and now only 250 per shot in real game. Maybe next will be Löwer tank with 450 dmg per shot like original Löwe.

[valid gale]

Lion never did 450

[lyric copper]

lol wat

75TS has kept its alpha

you are just getting unlucky damage rolls

[thick trout]

So many factual inaccuracies idk where to start

[sweet whale]

I declare BANKRUPCY! Used 10 HESH shells in a game and it was actualy pretty good (3.4k dmg) but still 💀

[hollow notch]

Lol

[solid gate]

Damage > my bank account

[hollow notch]

This is the way

[sweet whale]

I sacrifice my credits to have fun with 🅱️ESH

[hollow notch]

Unenriched 🅱️ESH tanks.
Poor people smh

[sweet whale]

Use adrenaline instead od speed boost, never use enhanced tracks and replace consumable deliver sistem with high end consumables if you tend to use adrenaline

[sweet whale]

Its a tier ten. Not worth temp enrich ugh

Wait why did i type the word instead of number i never do that

[hollow notch]

Is just 1 extra character

[sweet whale]

Lmao true but still i never do that

[hollow notch]

Gib weegee money
Then you will drown in credoots

[sweet whale]

I dont wanna spend gold eeeee

Nooo i need it. Surgery scareee

[olive junco]

whats alpha

[thorny smelt]

Low rolls exist.

[dreamy osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-mjolnir-chris-hemsworth-gif-10494447

those are not safe jokes, i won't give a verbal warn next time @lyric copper @mystic sleet

you are included in this as well @hollow notch

[misty wing]

The amount of people who are convinced that a tank has less alpha than advertised because of low rolls 💀

[strange thicket]

that has happened multiple times it is actually ridiculous

[merry current]

jge100 players 😖

[boreal spruce]

Cries in STG

[low rampart]

What's the best strategy to play with autoreloaders?

[past fractal]

Have some background knowledge on autoloaders first

Basically, playing autoreloader, you can shoot the 3 shells in the clip, and you can also play single shot in it
I suggest to wait for the second shell in your clip when reloading, then once reloaded, shoot the two shells

[low rampart]

The Pantera is doing great and I barely know how to use it yet, I'll try to do that.

[boreal spruce]

i find if i fully reload my shells (especially in the kranvagn, that helps,
never shoot unless you are 100% sure of hitting (so no blindshot or on the move)
and support, support support support.

[misty wing]

autoreloaders are the easiest type to play, there's really no need to sweat it

[glacial kiln]

Hope this tank get buff for the gun

[scarlet kernel]

What is the fastest hull turn radius on a tank?

[plucky summit]

Spahpanzer I C

[empty helm]

Best light tank in wotb

[plucky summit]

T-100 LT ;P

[empty helm]

Imagine comparing a tier 7 with a tier 10 💀

[plucky summit]

You never said tier-for-tier

[empty helm]

Yea

[scarlet kernel]

max of 85, had to use the stock gun and turret to reduce the weight : D

[plucky summit]

Y e a h

[scarlet kernel]

this will either go great or very bad

[plucky summit]

._.

[scarlet kernel]

LMAO IT WENT REALLY GREAT
a kolobanov, why do i always get this when im messing around

[plucky summit]

Nice, are you perhaps, fighting bots?
Ah, nevermind, tis not the case

[scarlet kernel]

it was supremacy and the last one was a stock T43, and i outmaneuvered him till we get 1000

[plucky summit]

Ah, so not legit kolo >:)

[lean fjord]

The Centurion I its a good tank?

[plucky summit]

Not really, rely on hulldown when you can, that’s all it can really do

[lean fjord]

But the Tier 9 its quite good right?

*still on medium British tank

[empty helm]

British medium line is good if you fully research it
That's why I abandoned it

[umbral hamlet]

it's really good, but the t10 requires a lot of skill to be played properly

[scarlet kernel]

as soon as i read that this happens (skip to half)

survived against and kill obj 84, 183, and E75 rushing me

[plucky summit]

🤷‍♂️

[stuck mango]

Any thoughts on the m48 patton?

[opaque flicker]

Dont know I'm still on tier 7, I saw its stats though and it seems fast and with a good gun

[violet timber]

Gud tonk

[opaque flicker]

Has anyone ever ammo racked a Tiger I?

[violet timber]

Yeah, it's pretty easy

[opaque flicker]

I got my first ammo rack in a fight, thank god they're slow

I used to hate the T25/2 and now I love it

Its pen is amazing, damage is good, speed is average, armor is nonexistent but everything else makes up for it

[solid gate]

is t34 good? i think it is but some ppl have told me its a bad tank

[violet timber]

Do you mean the tier 8 premium heavy?

[solid gate]

yes

[violet timber]

It's okay, you can really only hulldown with it. Penetration is amazing though, and it's got a pretty good turret

[solid gate]

yeah

also, quick question. is this good?

[scarlet kernel]

:D

(Wrong tag whoever that was sorry)

[solid gate]

is Worth it?

[civic iron]

It's better than the 100$ offer last time I can tell you that

[mystic sleet]

You shouldn't be paying 10k gold for a meh premium tank at tier 5...

[solid gate]

Is this a good deal?
I really need a tier 9 premium

[faint walrus]

which is better T110E4 or T110E3?

[fathom tinsel]

Any advice for Object-84 T9 Russian Light

[solid fractal]

E3

Usually

[mystic sleet]

The K-91 isn't bad at all, it has decent armor, okay gun depression, the gun isn't bad and it is fairly mobile. However, the Emil 1951 isn't that good since it lacks an armor profile, but is more mobile than the Emil 1 in the tech tree. If I were you, I would get the bundle since you are getting the camos for the tanks, they get fully equipped and some premium time (if I recall correctly).

[faint walrus]

What makes it better?

[solid fractal]

Stronger armour

The gun is pretty much the same, the E3 has the super boost so it can get to positions quickly and it’s superb while hulldown

Which can’t be said about the E4

[strange thicket]

no

[strange thicket]

depends
both premiums are really good tanks

[faint walrus]

whats the superboost?

[solid gate]

how you play hori and maus help😢

[misty wing]

Armor, speed boost, gun depression

[elfin kayak]

Is Progetto 46 an autoloader or auto reloader?

[eternal canopy]

it's an autoreloader

[elfin kayak]

oh okay

[eternal canopy]

with autoloaders you have to fire all shells before reloading the clip
with autoreloaders shells will automatically load into the clip

[past fractal]

Just dont shoot shells when auto reloading a shell in the clip though, as the reloading process will restart

[solid gate]

Maybe the Löwer tank could be rear turreted german tier 8 like VK72 downsized to tier 8. While it is missing 8 tier german rear turret tank in game.

[tepid geyser]

what

[undone gull]

while in my other acc ScarCrow and Reseaching Tier 6 and Tier 7 tanks I noticed for T6 USA that the T71 is in the T37 line and not Caffee line as has a low profile to the T49 and Sheriden line NOT T37 line and the Bull Dog should be in T37 and T69 line. For historical notes the M46 Patton should be Teir 8 because of the Type of Tank and Pershing should be Teir 9

[balmy compass]

T71 goes to T69 because its a autoloader line, M41 goes to T49 because T49 is M41 with a different turret and gun, then T49 continues down the derpy line
For historical accuracy, just throw it out the window, WG wont make things more historically accurate then they already are, go play a different game for historical accuracy

[undone gull]

The Bull Dog had an auto reloader - this was the later version NOT early version and also its the profile of the chasis and body which makes the difference to tech tree lines - just noting - as I know the WOT Blitz would not change the tech lines just for the games sake.

[solid fractal]

Extra consumable to make you go faster

[faint walrus]

thanks

[balmy compass]

Yes the Bulldog does have a autoloader, you can mount a gun with the autoloader in game too, but there are 2 or maybe 3 other guns you can choose from that are not autoloaders, so along with the similarities with the T49 WG put the Bulldog in the T49 line

[kindred wren]

Explain again, I don‘t think anything you just said made sense to me

[opaque flicker]

If I were to make this tanks stats for a premium pass, it would be called "Sherman t505" with a special camo being "Sherman Bullet",

Season name: American forces

Avg dmg: 180-210 AP

Reload spd: 5.4 seconds, with equipment 5.1

Avg KPH: 15 backing up, 30 average speed, 50 max speed

Armor: 112 front armor, 66 side armor, 21 rear armor, bulldozer part 120, overall average armor stats = 121

Aiming time: average 3.9 seconds, with equipment 3.1

Chance of fire when engine is hit: 20%

Chance of explosion when ammo rack is hit: 5%

Average pen: 163

Hitpoints: 900, with equipment 945

With special camo, it would be dirty, have ricochet marks on its front hull, a machine gun mounted ontop and grass camouflage covering the turret with mud all over its tracks and sides to show that it's been in battle before with mud and scratches on the bucket to resemble pushing rubble out of the way

Collectable tank tier VI

Im dedicated to have bulldozer Sherman, because we had to suffer the Charles for a month straight in nearly every battle

Just an American sherman concept

[empty helm]

Raumpanzer but tier 6
Ok

[opaque flicker]

6, 🗿

[balmy compass]

He was saying the tech tree lines specifically, the T71, M41 Bulldog and Chafee placement didn’t make sense to him

[undone gull]

Love IT LOL these were used to clear mines after D-Day from November 1944

[kindred wren]

I got that but the reason why didn‘t make sense to me

[empty helm]

It also clear bodies

[undone gull]

@balmy compass i was just making a point while reseaching T6 and T7 this was made with chasis types

[opaque flicker]

And clear rubble

[kindred wren]

I mean I‘d understand if he said that the T37 and Chaffee should switch spots because of the visual similarity between the T37 and the M41, but those are where they are because the T37 is an autoloader and thus went into the autoloader line wile the Chaffee is not

[balmy compass]

Most lines will have alot of similarities when you keep researching down the line, especially engines

[kindred wren]

Also, why the Pershing should be tier nine and the M46 Patton should be tier eight is beyond me as the M46 Patton is literally a development of the M26 Pershing

[sweet whale]

Wdym? Who said that? The patton was made after the pershing (maybe i just dont understand the way you said it)

[mystic sleet]

People were talking about historical (in)accuarcies within the US medium tank, light tank and T57 tank lines

[sweet whale]

Ah ok

[sweet whale]

Tbh wotb was never really historicaly accurate. And idk why people even complain about it. There’s nothing we can do rn, only dream

[umbral hamlet]

i mean if they want to play something historically accurate just play War Thunder
One player litterally leaked classified documents about the Challenger 2 to prove that it was inaccurate in the game during an online argument

[mystic sleet]

Well it is innacurate, and you don't even need top secret files to prove it...

But somewhat based, if I dare say

[mystic sleet]

They should add Red Sun legendary camo for the CAX in order to honour Sundowner (they both have shields/spaced armor)

Why? Just for da lolz

"Dpm is cruel IS-6, and I'm very in touch with my dpm"

[balmy compass]

would that make 3 legendary camos for the CAX then

[mystic sleet]

Yes

[violet timber]

I don’t believe they ever used dozer Blade Sherman’s to clear mines. The only used the flail and some experimental rollers afaik

[faint walrus]

Which is a better T10 medium Obj 140 or T62A?

[violet timber]

T62

[kind flicker]

t62a is just better by pretty much everything

[strange thicket]

only turret armor*, and gun depression.

gun is basically the same otherwise
mobility is worse
hull armor is worse
but since the t62a is just another conventional hull down medium it is better.

[strange thicket]

note that t62a's turret is better shaped so the 240 is more effective

[hollow notch]

Hull armor is effectively better on the 62 because of the gun depression

[strange thicket]

not really, the 140's stays better
i don't think 1 degree of gun depression can do that.
oh it actually doesn't do that Lol

[faint walrus]

is progetto line or kranvagn line better?

[strange thicket]

none of the images you posted prove he 62a is better than the 140 in everything btw
there is a difference in gun stats but it is almost unnoticeable with the 140 with a better on the move but again the guns basically handle the same you won't see any actual effective difference.
again 62a only effectively got the gun depression and turret armor over the 140. so it gets the title of a better medium

[hollow notch]

Nvm I am smoovbrain

[strange thicket]

pfp checks out!

[valid gale]

Dozer blade is the worst option possible for mine clearing

[balmy compass]

might be a little better then just driving over the mines with jus the tank

[violet timber]

I mean, they did experiment with rollers

[low rampart]

Tiger 2 is the best tiger, change my mind

[hollow notch]

presses 2

[mystic sleet]

Or just aims for the lower front plate

[hollow notch]

Small brain time

[strange thicket]

mfw the lower plate is stronger than the upper plate

[lofty marlin]

both tanks are great, 140s gun better just bcs of the ap ammo i think

[strange thicket]

eh that was not the question asked.
i just like the 140 so i stood up for it <3

[balmy compass]

TOG II moment

[brave juniper]

Gotta disagree there seeing how it's very easy to pen it in reality with other heavy tanks normal rounds 🤔

[strange thicket]

the upperplate? yeah

[brave juniper]

The lower plate, for tanks that are smaller than it and got good pen it's a grey spot or just looking at it from an angle where its not an auto-ricochet

[strange thicket]

yeah the upper plate

[strange thicket]

that really doesn't prove anything because it is de-angled then
head on the lower plate is stronger than the upper plate

[brave juniper]

It does prove stuff, not applying to every single tank is a different matter though, but at a distance, tanks smaller than it, or at a different heigh regardless of the tank that is the most noticeable weak spot, heck for those who don't have enough pramo to go for the upper part they shoot the lower one with pramo and pen,
Edit: it's just like 268/4, unpenable lower plate head on for AP and some pramo rounds, get angled? Butter through easily with ap

[strange thicket]

it is proving that a plate is weaker when it is technically de-angled
like uhhh
every single plate in the game

[brave juniper]

Yeah which also applies for tiger 2 for instance when it's facing a taller tank like m6 EXP which outright butters through with ap because the front plate is not as angled or armored against it's rounds up close

That being said, that tank isn't unpenable frontally literally just press 2, it's red for a few t8 lights/meds that don't have t9 pen lol

[strange thicket]

i am not saying it didn't apply
i am just saying normally the lower plate is stronger unless you are beneath the tiger 2.
lmao what when did i say it is impenetrable

[brave juniper]

I just mentioned it to add some info never did i quote you mentioning that

[brave juniper]

Oh speaking of which with the spam of Russian tank variants at t8 it's rather "common" to find tanks beneath tiger 2 or small enough to go through the lower plate, like 252u for instance

[strange thicket]

long distance fight yeah
but ehh point still stands
the lower plate is stronger than the upper plate and it shouldn't be like this
they should give it armor like the E75

[brave juniper]

To resume the whole thing, angles go brr brr, play varied tanks and those angles can be very funny or very stupid, that's not to say that just because t100 Lt is angled like crazy it's the best heavy in the game lol, tiger 2 is a great tank with a weakness for Russian style tanks/ small meds/lights and people pressing 2, it's still amazing that after so many years people prefer to try luck with ap lol.

Btw e75 is less armored than tiger 2 but has even better angles, i wouldn't want it to receive the same treatment honestly
My b i messed up my speech there

I'm in need of some glasses

[strange thicket]

e75 is way better armored
it got an armor profile that actually works, against all sorts of tanks. with weak spots. it definitely is not less armored.
Tiger 2 got trash armor against heavies n tds n some mediums with high prammo pen. but works against ap. it relies on poor ammo choices 🤷‍♂️.
t100lt is the best light tank currently and dare i say the best medium.
small, high dpm, fast, armor that works because of auto rico. you can easily shred all sorts of enemies in it.

[brave juniper]

E75 is way better armored, except in the lower plate.

E75:
280-300mm 58-61° 135mm base
Tiger II:
230-300mm(angles/enemy tank height) 52-55° but it depends since there's a bit more variety of size in t8, 153mm base

btw when that 300mm plate is a thing in tiger 2 the front plate is 220mm in that angle lol

[strange thicket]

i am saying the E75 got a better armor profile. tiger 2 with a lower plate stronger than the upper plate is a disadvantage lmfao.
thing doesn't even stand a chance when you press 2 or have a remotely high penetrating gun. or are playing a tier 9
E75's armor profile holds up much better
you are supposed to side scrape and hide the lower plate? who cares about the lower plate being weaker? that is balanced anyway since it needs a weak spot

[brave juniper]

Yeah, I'm just clarifying the lower plate part, well i gotta head off now so just press 2 GG ez

[mystic sleet]

Never knew that the lower plate was actually stronger than the upper one. Guess that was the reason why I would occasionally bounce on it 🥴

[balmy compass]

Wdym the lower plate is stronger, the upper plate has 166mm of armor and the lower plate has 153mm

[strange thicket]

who talked about nominal

[balmy compass]

the lower plate isnt even more effective then the upper plate so I dont understand what you mean when you say the lower plate is stronger

[strange thicket]

@balmy compass

[balmy compass]

when I looked in armor inspector the upper plate was still stronger then the lower plate by 20mm on flat ground, im not sure why that site says its like that

[boreal spruce]

its a little bit stronger, but not by much tbh

[strange thicket]

probably because of the range

[brave juniper]

Or normalization, perhaps blitzhangar doesn't take into account that? I don't have the paid ver of armor inspector so i really can't check its armor vs x tanks

[strange thicket]

no need i just checked it without the vs thing and it indeed showed the lower plate to be weaker
but i am not sure which one is correct.
on a side note: i like your Furi pfp.

[plucky summit]

Blitzhangar calculates with zero normalization, aka HEAT and HE

[hollow notch]

Hanger doesn't show normalization, because that varies depending on the shell.

The lower plate is only stronger because of the steeper angle it is looked at.

Angled armor gets hurt the more angled it is when it comes to normalization

[plucky summit]

Until it hits 70, then you have to abuse mechanics to keep effect

[strange thicket]

oh i see

[hollow notch]

75?

[plucky summit]

Huh?

[hollow notch]

Ricochet is 15°, not 20

[plucky summit]

Hold up. Who told you this?

A big birdie tells me it's 20°
(First image is probably rounded up to 70)

[hollow notch]

Ok
Yea
Looks like I'm wrong

But I am certain I have seen 15 before

[plucky summit]

I'm certain it's not the case, perhaps you were tricked by 3CRB? :>

[hollow notch]

Hmmm

I'm smoovbrain twice today

[plucky summit]

F

[solid gate]

is mu equopment okay?

[strange thicket]

i would take the accuracy improving equipment over the super charger

[lyric oriole]

And I would take Improved armor over Assembly

[brave juniper]

^

[thorny smelt]

l l/r l
l r l/r
l l/r l/r

[solid gate]

thanks

@lyric oriole isnt armor ia enough for maus i still get penn on weakspots even witg enhached armor

[thorny smelt]

You're a meatbag tank. Use the Improved Assembly

[merry current]

personally would take armor over hp
makes ur angling slightly more forgiving, and 171 extra hp isnt very meaningful

also take enhanced tracks over toolbox, german superheavy (maus, e100, jg) tracks are actually thick enough that running it gets u a bit more bounces when ur angled and they shoot ur tracks

[violet timber]

Enhanced tracks are usually useless, and getting the repair speed from the toolbox helps with more than just your tracks so it's better overall

[violet timber]

Also enhanced tracks doesn't help you get more bounces

[balmy compass]

Enhanced tracks means it would take 1 more shot to break them

[violet timber]

That still doesn't help bounces. Broken tracks can still take shots

[merry current]

enhanced tracks increases track module hp
for most tanks its irrelevant cuz tracks have so little module hp
but german superheavy tracks have enough hp that it can tank enough to cause a nonpen

[balmy compass]

Yeah

[violet timber]

That still doesn't help bounces lmao. It just lets the tracks stay alive longer. If the track is going to bounce, it will bounce the shell if they are broken or not.

[merry current]

my bad, meant non pens not bounces, but end result is 0 damage

[violet timber]

Tracks are always a fixed amount of spaced armor, using Enhanced tracks does not increase this number

[violet timber]

Even still it doesn't work that way

[merry current]

i dont know the exact explanation, but either way it makes a difference
and if ur getting permatracked with 2 repair kits ur just bad

[violet timber]

Ah yes, bad because I'm blocking damage with my tracks and I want to save my repair kits for when I actually need them

The only meaningful thing enhanced tracks does is make it so your tracks are fully repaired whenever you let them repair, but even then you have repair kits for that

[balmy compass]

Sometimes its better not to use your repair kits over a broken track

[violet timber]

Exactly, I don't.

[merry current]

if u get tracked more than twice over a short period, thats a positioning issue

[violet timber]

Not really, because I'm blocking damage in it. Using tracks to block damage is not an issue

[balmy compass]

If the enemies cant pen you then you are making xp with that free blocked damage lol

[solid gate]

okay.. more hp

[violet timber]

If you're new to the Maus, use EA instead

EA lets you learn angling much better, then when you get more experienced you can take HP

[merry current]

if u get tracked, u cant angle and take more dmg???
unless the enemies cant aim at all, its almost always better to insta repair unless ur only facing 1 slow firing tank

[violet timber]

It's not better to insta repair unless you're being pushed on

[solid gate]

okay.. hmm but i even still get penn when enhanced armor so.. yea i just take hp..

[violet timber]

If you're getting penned then you aren't angling properly.

[merry current]

if ur getting pushed on by multiple tanks, then thats a positioning issue
u should always be isolating 1v1s so u only have to angle to 1, and using hard cover to block others LoS

[violet timber]

Not really? The Maus is meant to sit in front of as many tanks as possible so that it is shot instead of the rest of the team.

[solid gate]

hmm youre right.. i really want that tank , i still remeber that time im close to it then update came and put vk72 on the tier 9 im reseaeching i was devastated and mad..

[balmy compass]

Big meatbag to absorb damage and distract the enemy

[violet timber]

20-25 degrees for your hull and 30-40 degrees for your turret are good angles

The best thing a Maus can do for the team is use it's size, HP, and armor to make sure that your team can stay alive as long as possible

[merry current]

thats just fundamentally wrong unless in comp, and even then u dont want to sit in front of everyone, except to take shots for ur friendlies when pushing/getting pushed
mostly because teamplay doesnt exist in pubs, so u end up losing hp for free

[violet timber]

If you're losing HP, you're angling wrong or just doing something stupid.

[violet timber]

Also, saying you want to 1v1 in a Maus is absolutely absurd. Getting into a 1v1 in a 7v7 game is virtually impossible, and then there's the fact that you're in a Maus, not the best 1v1 tank in the game

[merry current]

if ur losing 0 hp, it means ur taking a passive angle and the enemies can choose to not shoot at u
also i never said to 1v1 everyone, im saying to only show urself to 1 enemy to improve ur survivability instead of taking shots from different angles from multiple tanks

[violet timber]

"u should always be isolating 1v1s so u only have to angle to 1, and using hard cover to block others LoS". This is literally saying to get into a 1v1, which is even more passive as then you are only taking on one tank and letting the rest of your team get hit. This then leads to you being alone, and losing the game

[merry current]

if ur team is getting hit for no reason thats their fault, cant save idiots
in pubs the majority of the time theres no reason to save a teammate, because bad players will continue to make bad plays, and all that results is u losing game impact for no gain

[violet timber]

If you can block damage for them to maybe get one lucky shot it, why not do it?

[merry current]

because the only player u can trust in pubs is urself
why should i take a shot for a teammate if hes going to make bad plays and die anyways

[plucky summit]

A tiny weakspot is better than a lack of one

[violet timber]

Because that bad play gives you the opportunity to shoot someone on the enemy team. He also would have more HP, providing a longer distraction. It's just better to block shots in general, rather then try to 1v1