vehicles-discussion

[safe cedar]

The Chinese bulldog isn't really worth getting if you already have the m41 or lekpz 41, I would just get WZ.

[violet timber]

It’s better than the M41 and the black dog is a completely different tier

[safe cedar]

Its better, but not significantly imo, black dog is also an m41 so I thought it was worth mentioning.

[violet timber]

Not really, the black dog is more comparable to the RU

The 41D’s alpha advantage is pretty good as well, meaning you’ll have to peek less

[valid gale]

Playing both the 41D is much more bearable

The slower heat velocity of the bulldog is very annoying at times and the bloom is a bit worse on it the 41D also has better constant acceleration and builds up faster than even drac

[wintry orchid]

Hasn’t Drac p/w of 48?
Just looked m41 up and it says 30 stock which is nice but worse than drac

Nvm m41d got great ground resistances so it gets ≈56 on hard and ≈48 on medium (big fuel values, Dracula is 40 hard)

[safe cedar]

Should I get AMX 50 120 or Foch 155?

[wintry orchid]

Foch

[strange thicket]

which tier 10 do you want

[wintry orchid]

But if you mean 50B I think that one rather but idk I haven’t played the Foch yet.
(If you’re deciding between t10 and t9 always take t10 imo to finish the line)

[pallid flame]

50b is better

[safe cedar]

I already have the 50b, just asking if I should get the 155 foch or the AMX 50 120 back.

[pallid flame]

The goal is to achieve t10 tanks so just get foch

[solid gate]

What tier 10s are worth going for?

[umbral hamlet]

foch 155 is much more funnier imo

[mystic sleet]

60tp for defensive and hulldown gameplay, Is-7 for agressive gameplay. If you want to go down the tds, go for the obj 268 or t110e3 first or Jg pz e100, since that thing is really enjoyable if you know how to play it properly. Or you can go down the Fv4005 line if you want an autloader which is also fairly enjoyable if you play carefully enough.

I have a question: is this just my brain dying or does everything penetrate the CAX? I have been trying to get my 35th steel wall in it, but I keep struggling. Either I don't block enough shots, or my team falls apart or I get flanked by a full hp Emil 1 and get clipped on level ground. When answering, feel free to ping me.

[wintry orchid]

Side and not hulldown it’s an easy pen

[kindred wren]

It‘s not a steel wall grinder. Getting a steel wall in it depends more on good circumstances than personal skill

I‘d say just don‘t try to push bouncing and instead focus on making the tank work, eventually you‘ll get into a situation where the enemy bounces off you often enough

[safe cedar]

If your not hulldown your easy to punch through. Even then if a td sees you, your forehead can be penned.

[nova jackal]

should i grind for the maus or the vk 72.(k)

[boreal spruce]

both a decent grinds.
do you have the E100?
what do prefer? Amour stronkness and bullying
or Super consumables and a big gun?

[blissful osprey]

It really isn't that good a tank anymore, especially since the Caer's alpha buff. The problem is, the hull is paper (expected), but the CAX also has a rather prominent hatch that can be penned. (Also, if you're a T34, you can be a bastard and pen the turret roof) It really is just there to ensure a non-pen if you get hit, but you usually don't want to get hit in the first place.

[misty wing]

It actually barely reloads faster

[violet timber]

With how little dpm they have, a little goes a long way

[misty wing]

I guess it's more worth mentioning that the kran has 40 more heat pen (which I didn't know until just now)

[nova jackal]

More or less armor is what i prefer since my play style is more of eitherhide and snipe from a far or ambush half the enemy team to deal the most damage but yet again i also like powerfull guns with alot of damage

[blissful osprey]

Yup, Germany main spotted. Classic. Wanting a heavy tank, yet preferring a more standoffish role.

Just take the Grille, can't you?

[nova jackal]

Ok but i will have to diverge istead of getting tiger p i go to ferdinand to get the grile

[blissful osprey]

You sorta can't... access the Grille from the Ferd.

[nova jackal]

Hold lemme check the tree

[balmy compass]

Thats Jageroo line

[violet timber]

Besides, the ferdi sucks anyways

[blissful osprey]

They either:

1. back-track to get the JPan II
2. get the ferd to (hopefully) quicken the grind
3. not play the E100 line as a bunch of TDs.
4. back-track yet again, but this time getting the Nash
5. Just grind the Soviet TDs instead

[upper sun]

how do you play the autoloader line for the frenchies (AMX 50 100, AMX 50 120, and AMX 50 B)

[balmy compass]

Peek, unload, go hide I guess

[copper swan]

support heavy, no armour, expose to shoot 3 rounds and then hide like a coward heavy while reloading

[slow quail]

they need to buff leopard and kran

[balmy compass]

Which Leopard

[civic iron]

Depending on which one, I will judge how worthless your opinion is

[slow quail]

the tier10

[civic iron]

Your opinion is highly worthless and you should go watch some tutorials

[slow quail]

why

leopard has the worst winrate in the entire game

[civic iron]

Yeah, your win rate in Leo is worst in the entire game because of massive skill issue

[slow quail]

? bro look https://www.blitzstars.com/toptanks here and see for yourself

[nova jackal]

Is it possible to make custom skin like this on ipad?

[civic iron]

You must truly have been dropped at a young age. The leopard is a very strong tank in the right hands and it’s wr has been ruined by people like you who have no idea how to play it. Also you can’t exactly judge a tank by how much wins it has.

[slow quail]

every tank has its pros and cons, but the general winrate shows how much pros a tank has compared to its cons.... sure there are good/bad players, but just because some players are fine with it it doesn't mean that the tank is ok

btw go learn some grammars as it's clear you were the one dropped at a young age

[balmy compass]

Lets see hmmm, seems like this player thinks WR defines how good a tank is!

[slow quail]

winrate does not tell everything about a tank, but some parts definitely

[violet timber]

The Leopard 1 has the common problem of being a good tank that’s hard to play. Unfortunately, when I said this problem was common, I was lying. This is a problem not many tanks have.

[balmy compass]

“Learn some grammars”

[past fractal]

with grammerly

[civic iron]

Ok, This is my final answer. Even trying to argue with that horrendously uninformed opinion of yours is hard simply because of your own dullness. If you think that leopard 1 needs a buff then your skill is the thing that needs a buff. Also the grammar I’m using on discord is the least of my concerns. If it’s understandable, I could care less.

[civic iron]

I’m just confused on why this person thinks it needs a buff. It’s quite strong already, I don’t image anything that the leopard has that is in need of a buff

[violet timber]

I’m gonna go to bed and have fun reading this in the morning. Gn, and just remember, the Leo 1 is fine

[slow quail]

If I were to be a better player, surely my winrates on the leo would go up.... but if I had skills of that degree, I could've done much, much better in other tanks

[civic iron]

Gn. I will try not to lose brain cells during this argument

[balmy compass]

So you are saying you suck

[slow quail]

maybe? my general winrate is over 50% but my leo has 40%

[civic iron]

You say that like it’s not plain as day by him saying leopard needs a buff. What’s next, T-100LT is too slow?

[past fractal]

Or
Maus is too fast

[balmy compass]

im definitely not forcing him to make a comment to oppose my statement

[civic iron]

His replies enrage me almost as hard as kingtyphoons do

[balmy compass]

Damm, thats very high

[civic iron]

Kingtyphoon still beats it by far though lmao. Can’t stand people asking for a buff on a strong tank because of their personal skill issue

[balmy compass]

“Maus need 300mm on turret front back and sides”

[slow quail]

your opinion of leo being a strong tank is just as ambiguous as my opinion of leo needing a buff

[past fractal]

“Just angle it easy”
“Bbbut Jageroo HEAT can still pen it”

[civic iron]

T-54 Ltwt has too much armor, plz nerf my HE isn’t penning it frontally

[balmy compass]

Well if good players play the tank greatly, then it doesn’t need a buff, but if a less experienced player plays the same tank and cant do as good doesn’t mean the tank needs to be buffed so its more noob friendly

[civic iron]

lol how does that make any sense. You are the one that came crashing down with the opinion that it needs a buff

If you don’t like the tank just choose a different line, nobody is forcing you to grind a skill demanding line

[slow quail]

hmmmm so you guys think that it is very fair to see experienced players on tanks like leo and newbie players on tanks like 60tp or yoh getting the same output?

[civic iron]

Yes

[balmy compass]

Keeps less experienced players from complaining

[slow quail]

if that's the way you think then ok but I don't understand your reasons

[past fractal]

Kinda the point of heavies though
Does similar damage without a lot of skill, but it then hampers their overall game impact

[balmy compass]

Besides a pro player could play the same noob friendly tanks and barely do much better because the skill ceiling is low

[slow quail]

yeah you're right the example was off because I mentioned heavies.... srry for that. but it applies to tanks of the same type as well in many cases

[civic iron]

Listen Alex, there are lines ranging from noob friendly to skill demanding. If you are starting to become a more experienced player you could try a stab at a more skill based line. If that doesn’t work out, you can just continue practicing on tanks that allow more mistakes.

[past fractal]

I see Leopard 1 as a tank that is very skill dependent. It is good when used right, they say, but then, a good push from an enemy medium from what ive seen, the Leo 1 just dies

[dim pollen]

If u wanna learn the leo1 playstyle, practice in ru 251 first. @civic iron

[civic iron]

In a brawl Leo can come out just fine thanks to having the best DPM for tier X meds. However if you are standing against some E 50M that has ramming capabilities and can bounce very well then the leopard can start utilizing the good accuracy and the depression angles, our matching an E 50M from a distance. Leopard 1 is quite a versatile tank if you ask me

[balmy compass]

I would say Ru-251 and Leo 1 are different

[dim pollen]

At least the peek n boom and high speed is similar

[civic iron]

People will just cry “ru has not enough armor, plz make frontal plate 300mm

[past fractal]

Oh yeah
When playing Leo 1, try to stay away from T110E5s fights as much as you can
Saying this as an E5 player, i like killing leo 1s

[slow quail]

I see your point, but considering that wotb is literally the "blitz" version of the original there are many times(which depends on luck many times as well) you can't make the right decisions to properly use the tank in every game compared to the times you can

[dim pollen]

Sometimes u will enjoy matches in ru 251 and sometimes u will just get flunked in the first half of the game.

It's not only skill dependent tank, but team dependent too. So if u have trash team, u r done.

[slow quail]

skill demanding lines are challenging and necessary for the game, but the system of the blitz(being so small and dependent on every player to make the right move) forces the leo to have even less ways to operate properly

[civic iron]

Then just learn the maps and positions, anyways I’m going to sleep. I recommend you go get some brain cells and reconsider the opinion of buffing leopard 1. Trust me, NA will be a better place 1 player at a time.

[dim pollen]

I personally love playing ru 251 and I'm good in it too

But if u get teammates who just camp and don't cover ur ass, u r done

Whenever I got good teammates, my dmg was more than 3k. But if I get bad teammates, I barely get a hit cuz they fail in stopping the opponents push.

Ru 251 also suffers from the problem of slow acceleration. So if u r detected in open, u gotta pray tht no one hits u with HE or AP and kill u instantly.

If u get swarmed by the enemy team, and no teammate comes to ur rescue, u r done there too

I would love to play this tank with a good teammate in plat. At least they could be able to support me well.

[balmy compass]

I do agree the Ru-251 can be a little situational, but when played right its insane and so much fun to play, its one of my favorite tanks

[hidden snow]

is this a good tank?

[blissful osprey]

Seems to me there's some Leo 1 slander.

This is going to be exciting.

[dim pollen]

Yeah I would give 10/10 on the fun part lol

[blissful osprey]

The HEAT has more shell velocity than the AP. That's all you need to know.

[dim pollen]

Yep. It's good to see u have surpassed the su 85b mark. Tht shit sucks.

Su 85 will make ur life easier from now 😃

[dim pollen]

Yep. I'm pretty aware of tht. Thnx for reminding me again!

[blissful osprey]

HEAT

[pallid flame]

A

[outer sand]

this comment made me motivated to grind the e50m

i dont have the skill to use leo1 btw

[distant nymph]

Any opinions on the SU-101? (i.e. probably the most inflexible tank in the entire game) I only have the tier 9 100mm (220 pen, 310 alpha, 7.5 sec reload), bc the top gun costs 80k for some reason. And yes I have to play every line in the game so don't be "just don't play it"

[dreamy osprey]

Just don’t play it

tbh it’s not that inflexible, it is limited in role but it’s decent

[distant nymph]

and the role is camping sniping from the furthest you can right?

[dreamy osprey]

Not really, you can be aggressive but you need to keep your depressions in mind

[distant nymph]

I usually park mine on a downhill incline and just camp, pull some shots off, reposition, get circled and die

[dreamy osprey]

It’s no T28 or T95 atleast

[distant nymph]

I love the T28

[blissful osprey]

I want to finish up the American tree's tier Xs so much, but as I just hate TDs (barring the Hellneko because it's awesome) I can't bring myself to get that grind going. I also started with the E4 line first meaning that even if I did bother to get the T28 Prot., I'm spending most of my time playing with a 90mm gun unless I use Fxp.

[distant nymph]

The two lines are best played together. You get Prot's 105 from the T25 AT and usually top guns are the same

[nimble vessel]

is the helsing trash nowadays

[plucky summit]

Not really, it still has a snappy burst

[nimble vessel]

how bout the drac

[plucky summit]

Still nice

[novel escarp]

Should i sell my t21 to get an is5?

[umbral hamlet]

definitely yes, t21 is usless compared to is5

[novel escarp]

aight thanks bro

[outer sand]

i cant tell what medium tank is less skill dependent, the progretto 65 or that czech medium with a 4 shot autoloader i forgot the name

[umbral hamlet]

prog probably

Czech med is the tvp50/51 btw

[novel escarp]

first game and i am already liking this tank

[umbral hamlet]

look at the credits it makes

[novel escarp]

112k credits, totally worth it

[umbral hamlet]

hehe

[novel escarp]

best 1.5k gold spent

[umbral hamlet]

indeed
most people think the tank is bad (it definitely isn't the best), but actually its only purpose is to grant a cheap credit maker for new players

[misty wing]

How are new players supposed to have level 10 personal supply

[umbral ridge]

2 shots of 183 on the same enemy: 2 miss

The funny thing was; I fired shots not too far away

[brave matrix]

lmao wut is this

[last latch]

Was it tier 3 or 4

[blissful osprey]

The Germans taking tanks hulls and refurbishing them into something useful.

[solid gate]

3

[brave matrix]

it is french

[blissful osprey]

Maybe you should do a bit more research, no?

[brave matrix]

no

[blissful osprey]

Aw, gotta have someone do it for you? Ain't that just the cutest thing ever.

[brave matrix]

i mean the tank itself is french

[blissful osprey]

It's a German modification of a French hull. Yeah, that doesn't change the fact it's French, but neither does it change the fact the Germans took old, obsolete tanks chassis and made them useful.

[brave matrix]

but…how should i know hahaha

[scarlet kernel]

Easy, search for it

[brave matrix]

yeah but i didn’t need to know it tho

[misty wing]

ngl I don't really see a reason why one would play this game if they don't like tanks, and if you like tanks, you'd typically look into them every now and then

[blissful osprey]

Then don't ask what it is lmao

[scarlet kernel]

Well anyways, it seem like from the stream all t5-9 of the japanese HT line module research is +turret-gun if you want to skip to the next tier

And the rest is +1 engine and suspension? They are def going to be easy to grind through

[blissful osprey]

Neat

[brave matrix]

i just found the look of the tank funny that is why i asked and @misty wing i just got into the game and i am fascinated of tanks but haven’t had the time till now

[misty wing]

I haven't qQ Q either

[blissful osprey]

Indeed. Where can I "qQ Q" as well?

[brave matrix]

sorry my retarted friend keeps pressing my keyboard lmao

he indeed is

[blissful osprey]

I'd probably yell at him.

[brave matrix]

i am in class so it is a bit tricky

[faint walrus]

is the grille 15 line or the jg pz E100 td line better and what are the differences?

[solid gate]

I can get T-34-1 or TIGER P, IS, tp45, panther, su 152

[strange thicket]

Grille 15 line is much better than jg pz E100
grille 15 requires significantly more skill to make it work but it is not as bad or trash as the jgpze100
grille 15 has no armor, a lovely gun. decent speed but trash traverse. and a pseudo turret.
jgpze100 got some armor a very meaty gun but trash mobility all around

[limpid ether]

Grille 15 line = no armor, best accuracy.

JpE100 line = good armor, average mobility, decent accuracy.

Both have hard hitting derp-ish guns that can ruin your day.

[faint walrus]

thanks for the reviews

[faint walrus]

i enjoy more mobile tds so i think ill go down the grille route

[distant nymph]

well they aren't exactly mobile but better than the Jag line

[strange thicket]

they are mobile, way more mobile than the jag

[balmy compass]

Grille gets killed by the traverse and bad camo

[strange thicket]

who cares about camo when you can play it well?
traverse is something that deserves to be buffed on it yes, but it is still a very decent td. way better than the Jag too

[hushed stump]

Camo matter

[strange thicket]

not really
just position yourself better to negate the bad camo

[outer sand]

just a weird question came out of my head, what are the playstyle differences between the AMX 50 B and the kranvagn, keyword: playstyle (like how you use it or is it more of less skill dependent or something like that)
im aimimg for the kranvagn line once i finish the 60tp line btw

amx 50 b and kranvagn ALMOST look like the same so i asked lol

[balmy compass]

You cant really, unless you hide in the corner of a map

[strange thicket]

then you don't know how to play the tank lmao
you can play it very aggressively around your teammates and you can take typical sniping positions but keep any hard cover besides you so you can hide if you get spotted

[wise moth]

Everything. One is a rotational damage dealer, the other is basically just a pure hulldown tank

[balmy compass]

💀
I hate camping in Grille, camping doesn’t work for me, instead I go play frontline, I like frontline more and can be of better use ti the team

[strange thicket]

i don't camp in a grille either, i am just reciting my experience with it

[balmy compass]

Lets use reticle calibrator for shots at 30 meters away 👍

[strange thicket]

unironically runs reticle calibration to hit shots on the move

ok but reticle calibration allows me to negate the stupid gun angles n bloom and lets me snap shot 😂

[wise moth]

I think that’s what everyone uses it for lol

[mystic sleet]

still misses
ragequits and has a mental breakdown

This is just a joke

[strange thicket]

😂

[past fractal]

hits the tracks and does no damage anyways

[mystic sleet]

💀

[haughty abyss]

Is Nashorn or ARLv39 better

[radiant coral]

Nashorn 🦏

[solid gate]

Japanese td or chinese td

[radiant coral]

long talk, short said
If you want some decent ridiculous armor and arguably good pen, get Chinese TD’s
If you want insane amount of penetration and somehow a ridiculous gun
Ho-Ri all the way
🙂

[balmy compass]

Ridiculous armor 🤔
That cant be the Jageroo

[solid gate]

@radiant coral in a 1v1 who would win

[radiant coral]

I’m not that smart, sorry but my guess is Ho-Ri lol

[solid gate]

You still need to count that chinese td has special consumabals

[balmy compass]

They do?

[radiant coral]

yeap, precision aiming and reactive armor

[balmy compass]

I didn’t know they had reactive

[radiant coral]

they should tho-
or my memory is cracked up bad

[strange thicket]

chinese tds don't have ridiculous armor though
Ho Ri all the way indeed

[balmy compass]

The tier X armor profile always confuses me

I see a big Chinese box, it must be paper, right????

[radiant coral]

If you say so, ik i’m a noob, but that things armor profile is better than Jageroos

armor wise, it’s not bad neither good
It’s decent and i stated that it can be ridiculous

[violet timber]

1v1s are a useless measure in a 7v7 game

[balmy compass]

No wonder I cant pen 💀

[solid gate]

That the chinese td i think

[radiant coral]

spam pramo, git gud

[strange thicket]

press 2
oops caps

chinese tds only got armor when you don't press 2

[balmy compass]

I remember fighting that box in realistic in my E 100, and I get super confused when my shot didn’t pen

[strange thicket]

press 2 and you can pen it all over except mantlet

[balmy compass]

I barely ever see a Chinese TD so I don’t remember the armor profiles

[solid gate]

@balmy compass that a chinese td im a corect

[radiant coral]

Yes you are,
@strange thicket doesn’t mean it’s the worst or bad.
in terms of armor among TD’s

[strange thicket]

it is not the worst, but it is not good either
with how the tank is designed you can't make use of the plate very well
it is basically a 268 minus the mobility

plus you have big lower plate to go through
in terms of armor among TD's you could say it sacrifices too much for that armor
no wonder it got special consumables to patch it up

[radiant coral]

I tend to disagree, to agree again

[silent pivot]

Kinda where i will say the same

Jp E100 is kinda a good td in term of armor and gun combine
You can pen ho ri with standard round (cuz i did it in E75 with ap)
WZ is also a solid td but there are some other tds with are fun
But in my opinion Fv4005 can be the most deadliest td in teir 10

[violet timber]

4005 has probably the second most dangerous gun on one of the weakest platforms in the game

The most dangerous gun imo is the 120mm on the Yoh

[radiant coral]

^ i agree

10 second reload and 900 dmg is deadly

[valid gale]

20* the 105mm has 3,500 dpm

[violet timber]

I personally think the 120 is deadlier than the 105 because of the interclip

[valid gale]

It’s like a more reliable 183 but the downtime is it’s downfall

[violet timber]

Just wait for it to get its testing reload back

[valid gale]

Tvp is more of an annoyance due to it getting 1200

[split oasis]

Can we please PBR or do a graphics overhaul on M60 graphic. It looks pretty archaic

[hollow notch]

Compare the m60 side by side with the m48...
The m60 is beautifully modeled

[balmy compass]

1. skill issue
2. if the lower plate looks gray thats just the track covering the red
3. the upper plates are also covered with a machinegun port and a viewport which have odd armor angles that can stop penetration

[split oasis]

I think m48 looks better while the m60 model is really polygonal.

[balmy compass]

the front of the turret is the gun mantlet, thats all spaced armor, you can pen the spaced armor but not whats behind it

shoot the cupola

[strange thicket]

vk 36 is actually very good at tier 6 but people ignore it for some reason

[solid gate]

100% agree

people go "oh but the arl 44 has more pen so its a better tank" yeah and its riddled with weakpoints that anyone can shoot easily if you know about them, and having so much pen to the point where its unnecessarily excessive isnt all that big of an "advantage"

vk36 has a much easier armor profile to work, basically the same firepower, and its more or less just as mobile

[balmy compass]

I mean, the VK 36 has a very weak lower plate, and you lose half your engine half the time when that plate gets hit, sometimes people fall for the troll mantlet and those weird spaced armor things are black holes

[solid gate]

but the lower plate is easier to hide than the turret, which actually needs to be exposed to shoot

the entirety of the arl 44's turret cheeks are an autopen everywhere, whereas the vk36 can go hulldown and block shells consistently

[balmy compass]

cupola moment
but yeah I understand

[strange thicket]

side scrape
it is a wonderful tactic
plus the gun is super good too.
don't like side scraping? hull down.
ARL is very good don't get me wrong, but people sleep too much on the VK36

[balmy compass]

if it would mean anything the VK 36 also has a lame football legendary camo

[solid gate]

true tbh the camo sucks

[tight hawk]

Is the Chrysler K worth it? It the Shark a better tank?

[plucky summit]

No, yes.

[tight hawk]

Do u like kfc

[plucky summit]

Yes ._.

[upbeat oar]

WZ 112-2 is superior than Obj. 252U change my mind

[tight hawk]

WZ 1112-2 can't sidescrape. Turrets too foward

U done typing yet?

[upbeat oar]

That's true but for normal sidescrape most tanks need to load gold to pen and also very small

[wanton field]

if you get the chance, between a shark and a chrysler then go for shark

[upbeat oar]

Unnecessarily rude r u? whatever you want lol

[hollow notch]

A turret at the very front of the tank is incredibly useful for working in dunes and rubble piles

112 2 is definitely superior

[tight hawk]

Coming from someone who says the T32 needs a buff.....

[hollow notch]

Lmfao

The AX beats the t32 in dpm. How else is the t32 supposed to win a raw dpm fight in open ground with 0 cover

Noobs smh

[tight hawk]

Who also engages an AX in a dpm fight.......

[hollow notch]

I'm sorry,

Allow me to introduce you to the urban dictionary.

[tight hawk]

NO

Goodbye 🖐️

[tight hawk]

Now u were saying?

[upbeat oar]

It still is lol

[tight hawk]

But how? Explain pls

[hard cedar]

I agree 252u pike nose is 😂

[upbeat oar]

small plate>larger plate, that easy

[tight hawk]

Can't sidescrape plus upper plate is weak, no troll side armor.

[hollow notch]

Unreliable but trolling armor < solid chunk of armor
(Assuming I'm not blocked by your smoothbrain yet)

[upbeat oar]

Dunno why you keep on insisting it is inferior on sidescraping when it is clearly made for a different strategy..

[tight hawk]

?

[upbeat oar]

?

[tight hawk]

What is that strategy?

[hollow notch]

Weak upper plate go brrrr

[upbeat oar]

Most of the time at the back line behind other heavy but sometimes baiting enemy on hitting lower plate, also the usual hull down

[strange thicket]

you've
been
trolled

[tight hawk]

who r u?

[strange thicket]

lmao

[hollow notch]

Dude keeps getting outsmarted by a bot

[tight hawk]

So camping. Thats another good strategy.

[upbeat oar]

lol calling secondary line camping, what an imbecile

[hollow notch]

You don't frontline with the 112 2?
What?

It's the most frontally armored IS clone

[tight hawk]

I think any heavy can camp including a 252u. And yes i is imbecile

[hollow notch]

Is this dude a troll or just an idiot?

Because what kind of pathetic troll is sensitive enough to block someone trolling them?

[civic iron]

brothers in no camo

[balmy compass]

would be me if I didnt have a legendary camo

[strange thicket]

can't handle that celestial is better than overrated252
blocks

[hollow notch]

People still get baited by my t32 name >:)

[shell robin]

you cannot bait the master baiter watch me get muted over this

[tight hawk]

Provide reason.....

[hard cedar]

💀

[strange thicket]

better turret, good upper plate
can also hull down better
and the gun is lovely as always and decently mobile.
sure the 252u has a good upper plate but the turret has a weak roof with cupolas and the lower plate is gigantic
it is just that the celestial is slept on, but the 53tp outclasses them both

[tight hawk]

can sidescrape+more alpha+better pen+troll side armor

[tight hawk]

If you look on Blitzstars it literally performs better (with even more players too).

[strange thicket]

can sidescrape? with a pike nose? forget about it
troll side armor? you tryna peek with your side now or sumn?
more alpha? yeah by 20.
better pen sure.

[strange thicket]

take in mind we are talking about things a skillful player can use, which are not as much on the 252u
ofc the average joe performs better in the more braindead tank, who would've thought?

[tight hawk]

which shows the tank is better. Look at the pikenose on Blitz hangar

[strange thicket]

it doesn't...?

[manic carbon]

What does it for me for celestial is the 20 km/h reverse speed. An absolute blessing for a heavy tank especially

[strange thicket]

and?
again celestial gives more to a skilled player than a 252u does
i would take the celestial any day imo. and i have played the 252u
and against it too
🤷‍♂️

[tight hawk]

monke

[strange thicket]

any more angle and you can pen with some tanks

• count if the tank is taller
  yeah it can sidescrape so? celestial is a better hull down tank :P

[tight hawk]

Also with 6 degrees of gun depression?

[hollow notch]

Oh boy

[strange thicket]

so you use the 252u to sidescrape? the VK100 and 168 and tiger 2 + chrysler k and a magnitude of other tanks exist you know?

[tight hawk]

fair point. Cept vk168 and Tiger are an ez pramo pen

[strange thicket]

yeah you can work some hills just fine
of course it is not gonna be as good as a 10 degrees tank, but the upperplate and turret combo allow you to push the limits a bit.
yeah sure the isn't much considering the t32 exists(which is super OP)
but that is not the point here.

[tight hawk]

so how is the 112-2 better then the 252u?

[strange thicket]

better than what exactly?
the comparison is with the 252u
hull down > side scrape

[hollow notch]

Imma hecking cry

[strange thicket]

💀

[violet timber]

Hi, yes, it’s your friendly neighborhood STA-1 simp. I’m just here to say the Celestial can easily side scrape as long as you aren’t a muppet and realize that you can go forwards and backwards while side scraping to making the enemy bounce

[tight hawk]

252u is more versatile because it can do both

[violet timber]

252U also has a heckin chonker of a lower plate

[strange thicket]

252u can definitely not hull down as good as a celestial
not with that roof and cupolas
and also the lower plate ^

[tight hawk]

wz-112 can definitely not side scrape as well as the 252u (in fact it can't).

[violet timber]

This is what really puts the Celestial over the edge as blatantly better

[strange thicket]

same thing could be said for hull down?
but hull down is the better tactic?
what is there not to get? good turret, good upper plate with a not so big lower plate.
and on top of that good mobility ^
if you are still persistent on your opinion then fair enough then 🤷‍♂️

[violet timber]

I’d argue that equally skilled players would tend to have about the same effectiveness when sidescraping in them. However if you then told them to hull down, the Celestial would definitely win

[tight hawk]

I already refuted all your claims but anyway g'day

[hollow notch]

And also getting pushed/pushing the 112 2 is definitely superior

Also rubble piles
Dunes
Dead tank hulldowning
Ect

[strange thicket]

yeah sure, "refuted"

[violet timber]

You haven’t refuted my claims!

[tight hawk]

Okay go ahead

[strange thicket]

he hasn't refuted any claims
except that the 252u can sidescrape(ignoring the big lower plate)

[violet timber]

Bruh. Literally just scroll up, it’s not that hard

[hollow notch]

Too hard
Blocked

[violet timber]

The main problem is that the Celestial isn’t static when it’s side scraping. It’s moving about, and the amount of time it shows it’s lower plate is barely enough to aim at it, much less fire

[wise moth]

The real question is… why are you sideacraping in the first place? Just hull down, or push

[tight hawk]

So the w112-2 has a better turret, and better mobility. The 252u has side-scrapping capability's, superior side armor, better penetration, and more alpha. I think that makes the 252u superior

[balmy compass]

who sidescrapes in the 252??

[plucky summit]

Lots of people

[wise moth]

And one more question, why are you playing Soviet style heavies? They’re not fun to play, and they’re not even competitive when you can just play a T32

[tight hawk]

I mean if you aren't brain dead then than you can easily hit the exposed lower plate.

[balmy compass]

if you are not braindead you can hit the exposed lower plate of the 252 too

[tight hawk]

When side scrapping is what I meant. thats why i replied to the image

[plucky summit]

The LFP isn't the problem.

[hollow notch]

Bad example
252 doesn't expose that plate

It does however expose a hatch

[tight hawk]

I mean the wz 112-2. scroll up

[balmy compass]

why sidescrape in a pike nosed tank in the first place 💀

[hollow notch]

It's a 252u

It's not your average pike

[tight hawk]

cuz it can?? tho i admit not all pike noses can

[wise moth]

The pike is thick enough that you can actually get away with it

[balmy compass]

okay, I just have never seen a 252 try to sidescrape before, they always get really close or try to hulldown

[tight hawk]

It's around 300mm

[plucky summit]

That's misleading

[tight hawk]

wow

[balmy compass]

I guess im pathetic

[tight hawk]

I just ordered kfc, u want?

[plucky summit]

No, also what did you say was 310mm?

[tight hawk]

sorry typed wrong. around 303

[plucky summit]

Yes, but still, what plate is ~303mm?

[tight hawk]

252u. effectively ofc

[plucky summit]

What plate of the 252U? ._.

[tight hawk]

fine. ufp

[plucky summit]

Yeah, it was hard to determine what "It's" referred to

Anyways, the effectiveness only matters for HEAT shells frontally, though in a sidescrape it's not an auto-rico.

Let's assume it angled 20 degrees, as to maintain auto-ricochet side armor, the upper frontal plate is:

272mm vs AP
301mm vs APCR, and
325mm vs HEAT

[tight hawk]

k

[boreal spruce]

flat on HEAT that ufp (400-450mm) is very stronk.💪

[umbral hamlet]

use Armor Inspector or Blitzhangar, not an excel sheet thing with partial values 🤦‍♂️

[boreal spruce]

its off of wotinpector. its the HEAT values face the tank from the front. quite handy actually.👍

[hard cedar]

🥴

[blissful osprey]

yay, information

[plucky summit]

It's a general list of the armor effectiveness values, that's the point

[hollow notch]

Yea, but the 252u upper plates are tiny.
And the non pikes can angle. That throws the hull thicknesses out

ignoring hatches that throws the usefulness of the turret part of the chart out.

The is5 turret is not nearly in the same class as the is3d when it comes to armor, but that chart shows them the same. It's a useless chart

[misty wing]

252U simps are weird

[blissful osprey]

Are they?

[misty wing]

yes, very

[karmic nymph]

How have you not seen a 252u sidescrape

[misty wing]

I almost never see anyone sidescrape

[hollow notch]

Ya, it's got a nice juicy hatch
And it cant hit me in return

[blissful osprey]

They're not very prevalent simps, aren't they...

[hard cedar]

they are

[blissful osprey]

Odd it must be, for having seen them my eyes have not.

Probably kept hitting the track wheels. The side armor itself is around 65mm, so even with the extra 20mm the tracks provide little protection.

[hard cedar]

they probably shot too low on the tracks

[balmy compass]

every 252 player I have seen wants to facehug me

[plucky summit]

Slow and can't easily sidescrape or hulldown

[desert cedar]

KV1S or KV2?

I’m kinda new so I don’t wanna have to grind 900k more credits if I don’t like it

[hard cedar]

1s

[thorny smelt]

KV-1S for a all-rounder USSR heavy

[nimble topaz]

kv 1s so you cant get is7

[desert cedar]

Danke schön all for the input, but is the is4 good too? It’s my favorite tank of all time but I also don’t wanna waste time going down that line for it over is7

[solid gate]

Su-152 is so fun too
I never got the KV-2 so idk which is more fun

[boreal spruce]

give me a marder II any day. that is just ugly

[thorny smelt]

Finish the IS-7 line first or stop at IS-8 so that you have less equipment to grind for the IS-4 line since they share most of the guns.

[manic sundial]

returned to blitz but forgot my login and email for the account so created a new account.
any suggestions for which lines to grind for tournament play? i prefer heavy and medium tanks but can manage in lights terrible in turretless tds

[lyric oriole]

T-100 Lt, STB-1, 60 TP

[wanton fjord]

Fv4202?

[lyric oriole]

No

[balmy compass]

IS-7 and Vickers (vickers has armor)

[manic sundial]

based on the latest eu tournament i was thinking of the t100 lt but not sure if is7 is worth it im not a big fan of a pike nose and the 60tp while i loved the 45tp on my last account never bought the 60tp cuz i was short on credits

loved the vickers glad to hear its still good and after watching fatness streams wanted to try the fv4202 but also watched sponge and they brought up a good point that the meta still has heavily armored tanks like the vk72, 60tp, is7, maybe even the e100 and is4

also was thinking of trying out a clipper for the first time which of the 3 t10 heavy clippers is most begginer friendly? ive played fv4005 and good lord can that tank do damage but it feels like a much bigger and a clipper version of a leopard

[balmy compass]

T57 and AMX 50B are great

[manic sundial]

which is more forgiving tho?

and m6yah not that good?

[brave juniper]

It's a forgotten gem

[pliant pike]

i choose KV 3

[balmy compass]

Im not quite sure, both have half troll armor but weak armor, the Yoh is also pretty good, but im not super sure about it yet as im still trying it out myself

[dim pollen]

Kv1s

[steel vapor]

Meet this Bean shooter

[solid gate]

nicee KV supremacy

[rotund vessel]

Originally the Tier 3 Derp

[steel vapor]

Yayaya

[rotund vessel]

I miss that thing. I have quite a few fond memories with that tank

[steel vapor]

I'm glad I have it, though I forgot where my German tier 4 Heavy tank DW2 go

[rotund vessel]

Oof

[rotund vessel]

Still got mine

[steel vapor]

NOOOOO, that's my fav heavy!

[rotund vessel]

mwahahahaa, its mine now!

[steel vapor]

AAAA

[rotund vessel]

If you had it at one point, you could prob VRT it thou

[steel vapor]

What??,VRT?

[rotund vessel]

https://asia.wargaming.net/support/en/products/wotb/article/25202/

[hushed stump]

you can get it back but

[steel vapor]

I'll look into it later, Thanks, I'll ask you later for further help

[rotund vessel]

Nw

[hushed stump]

it cost the same price as you sell it so gold for the dw2

[steel vapor]

How much is the dw2, I have around 1k

[rotund vessel]

100 Gold

[steel vapor]

Serious-? I'll get it now!

[rotund vessel]

Submitting a ticket wont get you it immediately, it will take a few hours for it to actually show up in your garage

[hushed stump]

Or days

[steel vapor]

No worries, as long as I get my Fav DW2, I'm good

[rotund vessel]

Never had it take days. and I've submitted a number of tickets

[hushed stump]

Eh i rememeber it took me 2 days

[rotund vessel]

I guess you're an NA player, so, maybe cause that

[hushed stump]

maybe

[steel vapor]

Dms fury, I need help

[void tulip]

how do i play m4a1 revaloríse?

[rotund vessel]

Yeah sure.

[odd cove]

reload time is like 11 seconds now

[odd cove]

as a med with higher alpha and longer reload than most other meds, go more hulldown and snapshot. you need support from other tanks. also, the armor can be troll if used properly

[long hill]

I'm not one for tank destroyers, but honestly im thinking of going for the Jap Ho Ri's.

[thorny smelt]

Totally worth it

[long hill]

Yeah, ive seen replays of it and the accuracy + pen is literally godlike. And the frontal armour for tier 8 is solid, total red

Just want to finish up the STB line

[dim pollen]

Jap TDs are good in alpha as well as speed. Even I'm thinking to go in tht line

[copper swan]

they need to be used by a player that knows how to play tank destroyers
no point having a good gun when the user doesn't know how to position and the enemy can wreck those tank destroyers with HE from the side and rear

[strange thicket]

STB-1? really?

[long hill]

ｔｕｒｒｅｔ ａｒｍｏｕｒ

[lyric oriole]

If anyone is claiming a better tier 10 med than STB-1 as a tech tree you are being gaslit and you are gullible

[strange thicket]

i highly doubt Patton, E50M but alright lmao

[lyric oriole]

E 50M is the gaslight

Patton is a slightly taller STB

[strange thicket]

how come?
and yeah patton > STB after the buffs

[lyric oriole]

Slightly better DPM for worse gun handling, less gun Depression, a larger profile and bad camo and worse armor overall? No thank you

[strange thicket]

worse armor over all? ehh
slightly better dpm almost 300 dpm difference
worse gun handling? not by much it almost doesn't matter.
what are you gonna do with camo though, i thought you were supposed to play with hull down mediums upfront(with other meds of course)?
still doesn't answer how the E 50M is the gaslight either

[lyric oriole]

You can't reasonably argue trading a bunch of stats for 300 DPM

Just play Leopard 1 at that point

[strange thicket]

okay then ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lyric oriole]

As for E 50 M I'll let you claim your stake on why it's so great this time around

I'd like to hear why first

[strange thicket]

combo of mobility and armor, the gun isn't so far behind when it comes to dpm. it is a tiny bit better than the STB-1.
you can play hull down with the tank too, now you may argue you have less gun depression but you have a far superior upper plate which can allow you to expose further which technically isn't hull down yes
turret cheeks are weak but you just have to wiggle and the mantlet eats most of the shots + stb-1 has penetrable turret cheeks too that you can reliably pen. same as patton.
and the mobility is just ridiculous for tank lmao.
so it can do more than just hull down while still doing an alright job in hull down

[lyric oriole]

The top speed is high but the overall mobility stats are some of the worst in the tier. The way you are describing it it sounds like it does a few jobs OK and has one Specialization that requires near yolo tactics for maximum effectiveness. E 50 M takes quite a while to get to it's too speed tbh. I agree the hull is pretty good but the turret armor isn't that solid. It also has the slowest turret traverse of tier 10 mediums which can make your wiggles more easily timed.

And I'll add on to this with again camo rating, 3rd worst in class in tier 10. People will see you coming from a mile away

[strange thicket]

actually not, the mobility was also buffed a while back. it can now reach its top speed regularly and comfortably.
sure it may not be able to hull down as good as the STB-1(which i still think the patton is better but fair enough anyway) but it does a pretty decent job it is sorta negligible
plus it can take on more positions due to the better uppper plate, that and it can do brawls much better of course.
when i meant wiggling i meant going back and forth but sure you can try to wiggle left and right which can indeed not be so comfortable to time.
and again, why does camo matter for an aggressive medium? unless you are sniping shots at which case it is adequate and can still abuse bush mechanics.
STB-1 , Patton , E 50M

i will admit though the STB-1 has a very nice camo rating if you are trying to abuse stealth gameplay.

[lyric oriole]

Camo matters for an aggressive medium because said medium needs to approach in the first place

Also the traverse speed causes it to lose quite a bit of speed on turns (this is without Food and Fuel just to show bases)

E 50 M is certainly not bad

Buts it's a very very far cry from one of the best

[strange thicket]

yeah but with such mobility you will get to important positions, that and you will get spotted even in an STB-1 when going to major positions in maps because you will meet with other meds.
you can clearly see the effective hp/t and ground resistances are pretty good and the traverse isn't that significantly bad it is still crazy mobile for the armor, after the buff. it was balanced before the buff but not meta though

[lyric oriole]

The Real upsides to the E 50 M are the top speed of course which was already mentioned.

The tracks which are beefy able to take an occasional hit from a 122 on the drivewheel and keep chugging along. Also the size of the tracks help absorb more.

AP as the primary ammo, even though the penetration power is on the lower end AP shells are fantastic nonetheless and make up for it with normalization and high resistance to Spaced armor. Having HEAT on the Prammo also helps deal with thick flat armor much better too giving the gun good versatility but no particular specialty.

And lastly the hull, it's a heavyweight which makes it take less and deal more for rams but that's a pretty specific pro. Odds are you won't get the chance to do such a thing against most players unless it's in the last few moments of a match. If it happens to the driver where the defensive ram capabilities are coming into play You best hope there's one enemy left.

I would definitely not say E 50 M is able to be quite as aggressive as a lot of people claim outside of very specific scenarios

It has way too much holding it back such as loud advances (easily spotted and a large profile), mediocre P/W ratios with terrible hull rotation, and a center mounted turret with only 8° of gun depression

[copper swan]

T-62A is more reliable that STB 1 imo

[lyric oriole]

Debatable, but I can understand that

[strange thicket]

ah well fair enough. i disagree with the camo point and mobility regarding the E 50M, mainly because i drive it regularly. but fair enough nonetheless. this will probably not end lol

[copper swan]

T-62A has quite rock solid turret
STB 1 has 3 holes on the turret

[lyric oriole]

Probably not (to the won't end part) but I do respect your opinion and because you presented it civilly it definitely holds merit lol

[copper swan]

stb 1 dpm is more 3200 ish and now the pattons got 3500 dpm

[lyric oriole]

Oh no here we go again

[hollow plover]

how does play type 61 lol i feel like i just have to play a slower and larger light tank or something

[copper swan]

and T-62A also has 3500 dpm
stb can use gun depression and some speed but imo it slower to do damage

[lyric oriole]

You play it as an ambusher, it's got great DPM but you need to focus on support and not taking too many hits. The hits you do take will almost certainly deal damage each time

[copper swan]

second line like basically almost every japanese medium ever

[hollow plover]

yeye, im just terrible at doing that kek
also the massive cupola

but like, what is one thing to note specifically when playing it?

[blissful osprey]

B-b-but the M48.....Please, let me say it's better. Please don't feed me to the furnace

[lyric oriole]

In you go

[copper swan]

bruh

[copper swan]

play it in special gamemodes and use ×3 or ×5 boosters, or just free xp it

[lyric oriole]

You have extended view range further than some tier 9 meds so you either play at long to medium long ranges or if it's a small map stay outside people's 50 Meter Radius and approach when someone overextends themselves

[blissful osprey]

Anyways, they're not wrong, 300 DPM difference (admittedly, with little difference), the accuracy will do, it's not that bad (American guns being the wonky little buggers they are). I personally would rather take the M48, but hey. The STB is just as good.

[lyric oriole]

It's not just the accuracy tho

I would just be a little whiny baby if it was just accuracy but it's also camo, mobility, size, armor, and gun depression

[blissful osprey]

One thing's for sure, the STB looks hawt, but the M48 does not. It's probably something to do with the models tho.

[copper swan]

go play t100lt and do well to be super annoying

[hollow plover]

ah, just knew the high dpm part, didnt know about the view range

[copper swan]

looking at the M60 I got for free

[blissful osprey]

Well, the M48 is arguably an easier grind (Notwithstanding the T20), so it gets points there. Yeah, losing 10% camo hurts, but at the same time... it it still has some good DPM. You can't exactly gloss over the fact that even with HEAT it's still doing 3k, while the STuB is doing 2.7. It sucks in pretty much any other regard, but as it stands, the fact both are pretty comparable across the board (hulldown mediums that people are secretly wishing to go to hell) sort of makes the STuB a bit undesirable considering the grind it takes. Also, the Charles is surprisingly nice to play. Who knew?

And the M60 has it worse than the two. Awesome.

[lyric oriole]

M60 has better stats than M48

[thin edge]

Should I play IS-4?

[lyric oriole]

Better HP, Better Armor, Better camo, Better Aim time, better Effective P/W ratio

Less armor and more Horsepower = Slower

[lyric oriole]

If that's what you want

[blissful osprey]

I feel like there's something I'm missing here, but I don't wanna know...

[thin edge]

Is it good????

[lyric oriole]

It's a pretty brainless tank tbh

Doesn't take much effort

Basically it's very good

I'd suggest starting with IS-4 before 60 TP

60 TP is better but less forgiving to the driver for mistakes

[blissful osprey]

akshually, the M48 is better since the M60 above isnt the M60A1 (smh smh) so therfor M48 better

[lyric oriole]

[hollow plover]

what does m60 have over m48?

ah wait the red

[lyric oriole]

Literally in the screenshot above it compares them and I listed them

Just scroll up

[hollow plover]

yes i am the blind

[blissful osprey]

To give the M48 credit, it is still a solid tank. I mean, there totally isn't a certain AMX-30B with 500 dpm less with crappier accuracy (If you dare mention the p/w ratio again I will punch you in my imagination)...

[pallid flame]

this discussion keeps going 🧍

[lyric oriole]

It never ends

[blissful osprey]

becuz slandering the M48 is both fun and depressing

[lyric oriole]

At least the Cupola that could be HE'ed by 152mm HE is gone

[blissful osprey]

Well, you know what? Let's just give the M60 reactive armor. Because why not, it's not like that'll mess anything up.

[lyric oriole]

No no no

We need to give it the healing consumable that 215b was gonna get

[pallid flame]

healing what

[blissful osprey]

Nah, give them all tungsten for some reason

[lyric oriole]

Remember when FV215b a couple years ago was in the works to get a healing consumable

[pallid flame]

ohh

[lyric oriole]

It was like 10% of health over 20 seconds

Interrupted by damage

[pallid flame]

yeah I remember now

[blissful osprey]

So having the Brits have insane healing is a thing now

[lyric oriole]

The crossover everyone has been asking for

World of Warships tanks Blitz

[blissful osprey]

Well, to hell with it. Let's give the 215B some healing

[lyric oriole]

We will be adding a citadel to all tanks now

Light tanks won't have citadels

[blissful osprey]

Does this mean we get multi-turreted tanks now

My M3 is itchin for it

[kindred wren]

The ammorack is alread some sort of citadel

[strange thicket]

what did i say lol ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lyric oriole]

At least the arguments are more civil than the Smash Ultimate fanboys

[blissful osprey]

Yeah but don't ships in Wows have both ammo storage and citadels? I thought they did.

[lyric oriole]

They do

You are thinking of Magazine Detonations

[kindred wren]

They have a detonation ‚mechanic‘, but it can be counteracted by using flags

[blissful osprey]

Wut, we put flags on our tanks

[kindred wren]

„Oh I see you fly the ‚no mag detonation please‘ flag, so I won‘t hit your magazine“

[lyric oriole]

Anyways I should go to sleep, y'all behave or I'll summon the spirit of Iraik in my sleep to haunt all of you

[blissful osprey]

Wats that

[kindred wren]

Am I supposed to be scared or confused now?

[blissful osprey]

I think it's some random entity I don't have to care about.

They're gone now... time to start an M41 maid cult

[kindred wren]

Excellent idea

[pallid flame]

omg the discussion ended

[blissful osprey]

Indeed

We've moved onto neko maids with the M41D

[pallid flame]

when td discussion

[hollow plover]

ho ri is nice

[copper swan]

black prince to 215b line

[blissful osprey]

Can we talk about the M41D first

[hexed charm]

When will the Tog 2 be sold again it's been more than 6 months already

[thorny smelt]

Yaaaaaaas

[upbeat oar]

Please buff FCM mobility, I don't care about the other stats

[blissful osprey]

Nah, you're getting the DPM buff and there's nothing you can do about it

[upbeat oar]

Why dpm? It pretty much has the same dpm as other T8 meds, my only qualm is the shitty acceleration and handling

[blissful osprey]

hahahahaha

Suffer.

[strange thicket]

the handling is alright
i would actually not mind having it have crazy dpm or something
right now it is just trash

[misty wing]

Make it a heavy and buff the hitpoints by 400

[pallid flame]

okay

[blissful osprey]

yay

[pallid flame]

M41D is a great td

[blissful osprey]

...

[pallid flame]

what

[blissful osprey]

Wait, something's wrong with that statement

[pallid flame]

no

[blissful osprey]

But there is.

M41Ds are maids, not TDs.

[pallid flame]

no

[blissful osprey]

wdym no

[pallid flame]

no

[blissful osprey]

Eh

[hollow plover]

can it not be a maid td?

[mystic sleet]

Why can't they be both?

[trail orchid]

Some interesting changes to to tier X tanks coming up they are nerfing the the russian light tank though

[spark basin]

it rightfully deserves it

[thorny smelt]

Yaaas

[trail orchid]

Amx50b is getting a 4th shell in its clip

[misty wing]

E50M buff kekw

[spark basin]

its probably 380x4 which has way more clip dmg than the current one

[misty wing]

I was actually hoping the 50b would get a 4th shell and the T57 gets an incra clip decrease

I wonder what "slightly decreased" alpha for the E50M would be though, 330?

[spark basin]

330-340 probably since its a "slight" decrease

[misty wing]

Interesting approach, in PC it was the STB that had its alpha decreased when they decided they wanted to create some more variety

[spark basin]

seems like the e5 and fv215b will stay dead

[strange thicket]

50b change is just, blegh

[hidden snow]

im loving this SU-85

[thorny smelt]

It became a WOT PC AMX 50B

[trail orchid]

I haven't really looked that much at the pc version of the game that much ,not as much as I'd like too

[thorny smelt]

Well it is a 4-shell autoloader in PC

[abstract tide]

It has 400 alpha with 4 shells autoloader which has 2.5 sec intraclip

[trail orchid]

Like I said I haven't played that version of the game that much because I hate using a keyboard for controls so maybe I will get a mouse and have a look at it and see the difference in the tanks

[shrewd sigil]

Soooo
They still don't Gonna touch Fv215b?
This tank should be first to BUFF

And btw
If amx 50b will get 4 Shells u think T57 will be less played ?

[spark basin]

nah

[toxic otter]

The difference would probably be 380x4 with long reload vs 400x3 with fast reload. remember tvp has a 310x4 but it has 21s reload

[pliant pike]

Yep ,KV power

[solid gate]

niceee

[pliant pike]

I got 5 Mastery today with this tank

[solid gate]

mhm its a great heavy , since the buff so its a ace farmer just do always your best and win.

[pliant pike]

Exactly

[solid gate]

Blocked dmg

🐀 👍

[steel vapor]

Still being a beauty after being an old tank are you now DW2?

[trail orchid]

Pretty sure they said they are doing something to every tier X tank,

[high anvil]

What do you think they change about the TVP? I’m nervous 💀

[manic sundial]

dw2 was super op on pc the thing can face a tier 5 and not even sweat it. could be sweaty vs some tier 6s depending on the cituation.

at least it was last time i played kt on pc 5 years ago

[copper swan]

are you camping with that tank?

[steel vapor]

Nope, I usually roam around the back, once giving them a hit I'd roam around to take a better spot where they'll get distracted by my team mate

[copper swan]

sidescrape with it

[steel vapor]

Difficult when they hit all the hull

[wooden crow]

Pbr for tier 4 tanks when?

[bitter lichen]

Fr when i looked at #coming-soon and didn't see 215b i gave an immediate 👎

[shrewd sigil]

They can't buff tank, that need buff but they change tanks that doesn't need it
Maybe expect T-100lt

[bitter lichen]

Yeah

[violet timber]

The 215b will be rebalanced

[bitter lichen]

It's literally the worst tank in tier x. Like not even in the heavy tank category but all of tier Xs

[violet timber]

Nope, that’s the 183. And the worst heavy is the Kran

[shrewd sigil]

Yeah but u know
This tank needs buff asap
And rebalance means they gonna nerf something
The only good think about this tank is his gun and that's all

[thorny smelt]

T110E5 and FV215 are living in the shell of their former selves.

[violet timber]

Why does rebalance mean they’re going to nerf something?

[bitter lichen]

Not saying the tank is bad but it's hardly workable, also the lowest wr out of all my tier X tanks

This thing is a sicc hull downer but that's all. Even the reload got nerfed from 7.1s to idk 8.2s? Like bruh the wz 113 have like 420 alpha and reloads at 7s this shit only has 400 and now reloads at 8s

[shrewd sigil]

Because that's what IT mean(i know this from lol)
Just look those tanks like 50b
He's getting rebalance
He's getting buffs and nerfs

[violet timber]

Rebalancing means making it balanced. It does not mean it has to have a nerf

[shrewd sigil]

Yeah but rebalancing is like always taking something
I can see by those tank that they rebalancing now
For example T95E6
He have big weakspot on turret, and what? He's getting turret nerfs

[violet timber]

Rebalancing does not mean something has to be taken away. It just means they are going to re-balance it compared to the other tanks

The tanks they have mentioned are getting major reworks to make them more unique

[shrewd sigil]

So tell me
How tank with big weakspot on turret will be more unique, when he's turret will be easier to pen
They just proving they gonna nerf something
And i'm more than sure fv will get nerf too but it's only my opinion

[violet timber]

It’s getting more mobility

[kind flicker]

ur gonna love su100 then

[balmy compass]

I honestly thought the E 50 M was fairly balanced, I hope the nerfed accuracy doesn’t change too much

[misty wing]

It doesn't really need the accuracy, but yeah I would rather have the current gun tbh

[opaque flicker]

T6E1 grizzly can ram any tank and do alot of damage at full speed, once rammed a tank and destroyed it while shooting a tank behind it, got 2 kills

[umbral hamlet]

e50m has pin point accuracy rn, a slight nerf won't decrease too much its performance, especially if combined with a dpm increase

[misty wing]

the reduced alpha though ;-;
hopefully it's 330-340 and not all the way down to soviet medium territory

[lyric oriole]

If I had to guess 320 like Kampfpanzer

[misty wing]

but now it's gonna have less than the tier 9 E50, which totally makes sense
please consider changing lines together WG 🙏

[brave juniper]

👀 i would be fine with that since they're increasing the dpm of it anyway

[balmy compass]

true

I dont quite understand what changing DPM does to average dmg, like what happens when you increase the DPM of a tank but change nothing else? what happens to the damage?

[misty wing]

depends on whether they increase the DPM via increasing alpha or decreasing reload

[balmy compass]

so DPM changes when you change reload or alpha?

[misty wing]

yes?

[opaque flicker]

What are yall talking about?

[balmy compass]

man I thought it was something that changes your RNG chance of getting high roles 🗿

[misty wing]

DPM is literally just rate of fire x alpha

[opaque flicker]

Oh wait, changing your reload speed affects your damage because its penetration is replaced by something else, more penetration means more damage

[balmy compass]

penetration doesnt mean more damage, more penetration means you can penetrate more armor

[opaque flicker]

It does mean more damage, I tried it, when hitting an unarmored spot I did around 120-130 damage but with increased penetration it did 130-170

[misty wing]

that's just RNG
unless you're talking about HE splash damage

[balmy compass]

faster reload doesnt change you damage either, faster relaod lets you shoot more often

[opaque flicker]

Just increased gun pen

[misty wing]

then the difference you're noticing is just RNG

[opaque flicker]

But think about this, wouldn't a better penetrating gun do more damage to a tank? It goes through armor better, damages crew better and has a higher chance of the ammunition rack exploding upon firing at the enemy

[misty wing]

this is a game, not irl, and it doesn't work like that

[opaque flicker]

Apparently it works for me

[misty wing]

again, RNG

[balmy compass]

if you can already pen a tank with 100mm of pen, 120mm of pen would still pen, unless the caliber is bigger you wont really do more damage

[opaque flicker]

I'm new to this game what is RNG?

[violet timber]

Not necessarily. Discarding sabot rounds have more penetration but do less damage than armor piercing rounds

[balmy compass]

random chance

[violet timber]

Random number generator

[balmy compass]

every time you pen a tank you get a random amount of damage given a set parameter

[opaque flicker]

With increased penetration it always goes above 130 and reaches up to 170, with reload speed it never goes above 140

[balmy compass]

what tank are you using?

[opaque flicker]

M8A1

[balmy compass]

whats the average damage

[violet timber]

Are you talking about calibrated shells vs gun rammer?

[opaque flicker]

Oh no just increased pen vs faster reload

[balmy compass]

thats the same thing

[misty wing]

inb4 he's comparing different guns

[opaque flicker]

Yeah

Also it's around 140-170, sometimes 220 when using HE

[balmy compass]

oh different guns, well the guns have different stats, longer reload guns usually have more penetration, bigger caliber guns do more damage and most of the time a bigger caliber gun deals more damage

[opaque flicker]

Yeah that, sorry my brain wasnt working

[misty wing]

longer reload guns usually have more penetration
laughs in KV-2
or would it be cries 🤔

[balmy compass]

me when KV-2 takes longer to relaod then Jageroo 😂

[violet timber]

Penetration and reload are not correlated in game. Damage and reload are correlated

[opaque flicker]

What's up with the KV-2 why is it so memed on?

[misty wing]

funny appearance and derp gun

[opaque flicker]

I havent fought one or seen one yet

[balmy compass]

• Is russian
• Has a 152mm gun
• unique appearance (fridge)

[opaque flicker]

Sooo.. a box on a tank hull with a high caliber gun?

[balmy compass]

yes

[misty wing]

pretty much

[opaque flicker]

Did the Soviets have a stroke?

[balmy compass]

they tried to be German and mounted a bigger gun

[violet timber]

Nope, it was made as a bunker buster

[opaque flicker]

Is it a premium tank?

[violet timber]

No, tier 6 tech tree heavy

[balmy compass]

its tech tree
Soviet heavy tier VI

[misty wing]

the real "fridge" is the stock ARL 44

[opaque flicker]

Oh great so anybody can have a tank with ungodly damage

[balmy compass]

nah bro thats a house
the hecking cupola is a chimney

[violet timber]

Also ungodly accuracy

[opaque flicker]

How do you fight those?

[balmy compass]

with 20 seconds of reload 😂
bad armor, even the tier V leopard can pen the front of the turret with AP

[violet timber]

Just know that they are going to miss you. Wait for them to fire then circle them

[opaque flicker]

Oh let me guess, slow turret?

[misty wing]

slow everything

[opaque flicker]

Alright that doesnt sound too bad, as long as I dont get shot by one right? Because I'm working on a wolverine rn

[balmy compass]

dont peek if a KV-2 is staring at you then you are good

[opaque flicker]

Oh I know, just angle my camera where I can see around the wall

So is KV-2 balanced?

[balmy compass]

pretty much

[violet timber]

Everything but the alpha, yes

[opaque flicker]

Figured, a gun like that but everything is at 0.5× speed

[violet timber]

The problem is that it can load HE and basically 2 shot anything, if not 1 shot

[balmy compass]

unless splash

[opaque flicker]

Nevermind then, I will stay far away because I have no armor

[violet timber]

Even with splash, it still can 2 shot most things

[opaque flicker]

Wait how long is the barrel?

[balmy compass]

I guess thats why KV-2 users only load HE

@opaque flicker very short

[opaque flicker]

And.. its able to.. snipe?

[plucky summit]

Not really

[balmy compass]

you can try but you will miss even more 🤣

[opaque flicker]

Well how does it have any accuracy, does it have like a 3 foot long barrel?

[balmy compass]

nah, its a derp gun, so low accuracy and long aim time

[plucky summit]

It doesn’t ._.

[opaque flicker]

Am I looking at a half melted popsicle or a tank?

[balmy compass]

a fridge

[opaque flicker]

My OCD is driving me insane, they didnt align the gun properly

[violet timber]

That’s how it’s supposed to be

[balmy compass]

thats just the app, that app doesnt get the gun alinged properly

[opaque flicker]

I hate it

[violet timber]

The app puts it where the game has its hit boxes 🤷‍♂️

[opaque flicker]

Great so now I have a new fear, KV-2, didnt Britain have their own copy of the KV-2 that looked very similar?

[balmy compass]

yeah I undersatnd that but half the guns there there is a large gap in between the gun and the mantlet space armor

[violet timber]

Not as far as I know

[balmy compass]

that may be closer to the 4005

[violet timber]

What is that called? Also just looks like artillery to me

[opaque flicker]

Bishop, that's its name

[violet timber]

Yeah it’s artillery, battlefield different roles

[opaque flicker]

I looked at the images but they dont look entirely similar, they have different turrets

[balmy compass]

shrug

[violet timber]

I’m kinda surprised it’s on a Valentine chassis no not a crusader chassis

[opaque flicker]

So why isn't it in the game? It was definitely a real tank, it would be kind of cool to have a KV-2 and Bishop fighting

[balmy compass]

wells Trick of the Hat stated it is arty, we dont want arty

[violet timber]

It’s battlefield role is not a fit for blitz

[tulip knot]

It is in wot pc

[balmy compass]

thats PC

[opaque flicker]

Dang, would've been nice

[violet timber]

PC has much larger maps

[tulip knot]

No, we don’t want arty. It would be Useless in blitz

[opaque flicker]

Well make the bishop a premium, I see all these premiums ingame and on the shop

[violet timber]

It’s still artillery, which doesn’t fit in blitz

[balmy compass]

besides, we wouldnt want a somewhat faster KV-2 running aroundi n tier 4 or 5

[opaque flicker]

I meant 6 or 7

[balmy compass]

KV-2 is in tier VI, Smasher is in tier VII

[opaque flicker]

What is a smasher?

[radiant coral]

oh boy-

[balmy compass]

the better KV-2 in tier VII, faster reload, more HE damage

[opaque flicker]

So avoid it?

[violet timber]

It doesn’t have more HE damage

[balmy compass]

its not really that bad, just dont get shot from it in light armored tanks

@violet timber oh my bad then

[radiant coral]

You can’t-
just pray to RNG that you won’t get hit of it sideways lol

[opaque flicker]

Soo.. make the bishop a tier 8 premium?

[violet timber]

No

[balmy compass]

no

[opaque flicker]

Do we not realize we already have artillary tanks?

[balmy compass]

they dont play as arty

[opaque flicker]

The bishop was it's own thing though, it has its downsides just like the KV-2

[violet timber]

Which tanks are those?

[balmy compass]

but its still a big gun, its would be incredibly annoying to be hit by a Bishop, even if it had horrible accuracy and a reload of 40 seconds

[opaque flicker]

Slow, no gun depression, not much accuracy, not a very fast reload

@violet timber
Alecto, Grille 15

[balmy compass]

Grille 15 is more of a FlaK gun and sniper

[opaque flicker]

I just saw it in an image, what is it anyway?

[balmy compass]

a fake tank that only existed in blueprints

[violet timber]

Alecto afaik is an antitank weapon. The grille is 100% an anti-tank/anti-aircraft weapon

[opaque flicker]

What about the nashorn?

[balmy compass]

same as Grille, anti-tank and maybe anti-air

[violet timber]

Anti-tank weapon

[radiant coral]

some rumors say, it should have been used that way actually

[opaque flicker]

Wait the bishop wasnt an artillery?

[violet timber]

It matches German tank destroyer doctrine almost to a T

[radiant coral]

it wouldn’t be such a dumb idea tho? Yk

[violet timber]

The Bishop was artillery

[opaque flicker]

It was meant to go into predug holes and shoot at oncoming tanks in a battlefield, it never shot like an artillery

[violet timber]

No, but it would probably be a secondary objective

[balmy compass]

the very design of the tank looked like they slapped a arty gun and put some metal plates around it on top of a valentine chassis

[opaque flicker]

Yeah British arent very.. creative

[violet timber]

It was made for artillery, it just sucked at its job and was replaced as soon as something better came along such as the Sexton or the Priest

[balmy compass]

but thats what you do with spare tank chassis when you want mobile arty

[radiant coral]

it has track and could switch quick positions, i wouldn’t say no to use it as anti-tank/artillery and as a flak gun, if it would be possible-

[violet timber]

Literally the US with the M4

[balmy compass]

the US did everything with the M4

[opaque flicker]

It was never used as an artillery, again they stuffed it in holes and shot from there but since it used such expensive weaponry they discarded it

[radiant coral]

M4 Limousine when?

[violet timber]

It was. They had to create ramps for it because it only had 15 degrees of gun elevation. It was also rather tall, so they stuck the ramps in holes so they wouldn’t be a big target

[balmy compass]

• Originally made for arty, thats not for blitz
• We have KV-2 and Smasher that already do a better job then Bishop
• that "tank" is ugly

[opaque flicker]

It looks nearly the same as the KV-2

[violet timber]

It may look similar, but their roles are different.

[balmy compass]

it would function the same as the KV-2 if it were to be added, but even worse armor

[violet timber]

The KV-2 is an assault heavy tank with bunker busting capabilities. The Bishop is an artillery piece that sucked at its job and was replaced by the Priest as soon as the British got them through lend lease

[opaque flicker]

Yeah British tanks are awful with armor, but look at this.. why do they look so similar?, dang, embed fail

[violet timber]

They look similar for ergonomic reasons. It’s easier to reload a big shell in a big turret.

[opaque flicker]

There

[violet timber]

Again, assault heavy tank vs. artillery piece

[opaque flicker]

What about video game logic?

[violet timber]

Video game logic says Bishop is artillery and doesn’t belong in blitz

[balmy compass]

it would be a paper KV-2

[violet timber]

There’s just no point in adding it

[balmy compass]

exactly

[violet timber]

We already have the Gargoyle at tier 5 which is basically the same thing

[opaque flicker]

What's a gargoyle?

[violet timber]

A Pz. 4 with a 105mm gun

[opaque flicker]

Image?

[opaque flicker]

Premium?

[dim pollen]

Yes

[balmy compass]

pretty much, its a collecter

[opaque flicker]

Anyways thoughts on the grizzly?

[dim pollen]

Shit

[opaque flicker]

Well to me it's great, once I got used to it I knew what I had to do while driving it

I usually won in that tank alot of the time

[dim pollen]

When I got tht tank, I was new to the game and lost many matches while playing with it.

Maybe I can win now as I'm quite good in this game but still, it is a shitty tank for me

But I love gargoyle. It's amazing

[opaque flicker]

Understandable, but since I was bored and played with it through 15 matches I got so used to it that I've only died twice in it

[dim pollen]

Lucky

[balmy compass]

gargoyle has horrible shell velocity lol

[opaque flicker]

Usually do around 900-1200 damage in it per battle

[dim pollen]

Yeah tht thing sucks lol

[balmy compass]

I can watch my shell fly over and hit someone 🗿

[dim pollen]

Out of all the tanks, a shell fired from a gargoyle feels like a medieval catapult throwing a ball of rock onto the target. Slow but hits hard.

[radiant coral]

Nightmare:

[opaque flicker]

Especially with an HE

However with the grizzly it has so much gun depression and I love it

[violet timber]

iirc the slowest shell velocity in game currently is the derp gun on the VK28

[opaque flicker]

Grizzly would be incredible if it weren't for the huge weakspot on its front armor, however as a tier 4 its understandable

[dim pollen]

The pen is low on the derp gun though

[opaque flicker]

TOG I* doesnt exist but the TOG II* does?

Kinda angered that alot of these tanks that could've made it into the game didnt make it

[violet timber]

Tog I does exist

[blissful osprey]

I’m going to take so much hopium considering the idea that all of Tier X will be “rebalanced”

[opaque flicker]

Ingame? Because that's what I was talking about

[violet timber]

No, but it would’ve just been a weaker tog II

[opaque flicker]

Well, we have the AT-1, so why cant we have a tier 5 Tog?

[strange thicket]

fv4005 and 50b are gonna be cancer with the 4th shell
both to play and counter

[opaque flicker]

Also what is a medium II?

[strange thicket]

at least they got the T100LT nerf right 🙄

[blissful osprey]

It’ll be alright.

[radiant coral]

while the 50B accuracy gets decreased 🗿

[valid gale]

The fv4005 alpha nerf was pointless because they just slapped a buff on it anyways lol

[radiant coral]

i think the mobility will be a bit sluggish afterwards?
I think it stays medicore tho

[blissful osprey]

Gotta feed British mains some lies to pacify them, ya know.

[strange thicket]

yeah they said slightly decrease, which means it is gonna stay above 400 or exactly 400
and gets a lower intraclip, literally 1600 clip. a high roll hesh shell from fv183. that type of damage output is made more feasible like this

[valid gale]

“We don’t want it to be another 183”
3 years later

[blissful osprey]

Ngl, I fear for the T57, because in classic WeeGee fashion the tank will just get a nerf, because why not please gib it Reactive Armor

[balmy compass]

wondering if E 100 would get some wacky buff

[valid gale]

Just realized now a duo of 4005s can actually clap a maus

[strange thicket]

did i forget to say it is getting a penetration increase too? lol

[balmy compass]

y tho

[blissful osprey]

What if the Sheri gets a buff to its p/w ratio

@valid gale Then the buff was worth it.

[valid gale]

That would be reversing a nerf which tbh wouldn’t actually be a bad one

[strange thicket]

penetration increase + super consumables + high clip potential
autoloader fv183

[blissful osprey]

Why they reduced the Sheri’s p/w ratio I have no idea, the thing was so big it got hit by pretty much everything with more accuracy than a 183 with a dead gunner

[strange thicket]

i think they are going with the pc approach here, the T57 is gonna remain the dpm clipper and the 50b will become the huge clip potential clipper with worse dpm

[balmy compass]

what if they add a 4th shell to the prog (tier X)

[blissful osprey]

Interesting. It suits my interests anyways.

[valid gale]

The Sheridan in its prime was ridiculously op it could strike from literally anywhere and run away before it got spotted due to having more effective p/w than a drac

[blissful osprey]

Eh, I never liked the missiles. They felt clunky to me.

[strange thicket]

honestly, coulda just removed the missiles and kept the mobility or nerfed it by a tiny bit.
but now it is just, ehhhh
would rather just do BC

[valid gale]

Tbh I wonder if the prem pen today would be a problem

There’s a lot more HP and more contestants for Sheridan to deal with

[strange thicket]

right now it is just a meh light tank you drive occasionally
i actually want the mobility back. i am glad they didn't nerf the mobility on the T100LT as some smarties suggested and instead went with the other nerfs which is actually a very good way of dealing with it.
i am fine as long as the tank stays crazy mobile

[balmy compass]

T-100 will be mobile now

[blissful osprey]

The alpha was never really enough. With only 560 alpha you’re still losing out on dmg potential. The pen should be fine, tho, if you run CS

[violet timber]

The AT-1 is unique, the Tog I isn’t

[opaque flicker]

Tog I* was green

The only difference 🗿

[violet timber]

If it gets added it’s going to have the base British color

[valid gale]

Chimera Has a greenish tint naked

But tog 1 isn’t really unique on its own

[opaque flicker]

If it was part of the tech tree then it would make sense to have the TOG I*

[balmy compass]

not many people know the armor profile of VK 72 😂
(realistic mode)

[strange thicket]

no camo for extra blending in
it is insane the stupid stuff you can pull in realistic

[balmy compass]

oh, I havent gotten the legendary camo so I dont put any camos on

[desert cedar]

85mm or 122mm for the Kv1s?

[pallid flame]

The one with 400 alpha

[desert cedar]

What is alpha

[balmy compass]

average damage

[desert cedar]

Oh okay

[misty wing]

poorly worded definition, it's more like damage per shot @desert cedar

[orchid dagger]

Finally the little T100lt abomination is getting nerfed. Thank you wargaming 🙂

[weak furnace]

this is good setup for Tiger I?

[balmy compass]

Yeah, but go run adrenaline instead of speed boost

[lyric island]

can i say something random?

[violet timber]

Sure

[thorny smelt]

122 mm

[ivory beacon]

its not fair t57 heavy has no armor it shoud get buffed turret and hull armor.

[pallid flame]

It has amour but okay

[blissful osprey]

You can't expect them to realize that, you know

[misty wing]

T57's armor is fine. The difference I envision the AMX 50b and T57 to have would indeed be the 50b having better mobility and an extra shell (thus more clip damage), but the T57 having faster intra clip, better gun handling, and (slightly) more alpha
Tbh I propose in addition to what WG is already doing, for the 50b's hull traverse to be buffed by 5 degs/sec in exchange for a 200 hitpoint nerf, and for the T57 to get 2 seconds intra clip, faster aim time, and 430 alpha (with nerfed clip reload to keep the dpm the same)

or the alpha can stay the same, it depends on what the 50b's nerfed alpha is though

[blissful osprey]

Or you know, go do the easy way, and let WeeGee be WeeGee by nerfing the T57 so heavily in order to keep "game balance."

[misty wing]

are they nerfing the t57? 🤔

[past fractal]

I sincerely hope they do

[balmy compass]

Imo T57 is fine

[misty wing]

why lmao, the yoh and 50b see substantially more play in tourneys

[balmy compass]

I just have skill issue shooting its troll turret

[misty wing]

I would honestly like to experiment with the T57 having 2 second intra clip like I said, and the 50b having 1600 clip potential with 4 shells, but 3.33 second intra clip so it takes a full 10 seconds to unload

[blissful osprey]

I honestly have no clue. I wouldn't be surprised if they did, however.

[misty wing]

French tanks seem to be the high risk high reward vehicles, why not take it all the way

[misty wing]

I would be. It's performing on the lower side in average winrate, hardly anyone complains/talks about it, etc

whatever they're changing about the 50b, I hope they move in the opposite direction for the 57
well actually not really, 2 shells + buffed alpha + stronger turret would just be the yoh lmao

[blissful osprey]

Well, in any case we'll just have to wait.

I hope there's an E5 bufff somewhere they're just going to pleasantly surprise us all with.

[past fractal]

I hope they give it wot pc dpm and put back its old cupola

[balmy compass]

Maybe they will buff the accuracy of the Leo 1

[misty wing]

leo absolutely needs an alpha buff like it got on PC

[misty wing]

inb4 they give back the cupola, remove the super consumables, and nerf the hull traverse

[blissful osprey]

6.8 rounds a minute, huh...that's around 8.8 seconds, which should amount to 3500 dpm. Neat.

@misty wing Did anyone actually complain about the E5 pre-nerf? I don't think they did, but then again, I never bothered to check.

[misty wing]

idk but they complained about the glorious cupola when it was a thing ;-;

[blissful osprey]

Well, A quick search shows me... everything from 2018. It's like people talked about the E5 briefly back then, but then conversation on it just dropped. Of course, it's really just Discord shoving me too far back in time, but it's a start.

[tropic bear]

not really, it had really good dpm and was meta and people might have thought it was boring or not a fun tank but it was never really a problem if i remember correctl

[blissful osprey]

Hm

[safe cedar]

3.3 is excessive it would mean that large clip would be Essentially useless.

Foch 155 though badly needs an intraclip buff. Take a second off and add it to clip reload.

[lyric oriole]

What if we give a tank a longer intraclip than mag reload

(this is meant as a joke there would be an abusable strategy if Wargaming did this)

[safe cedar]

Leopard with .8 reload.

[plucky summit]

Play like a normal tank but you shoot faster and slower predictably

[lyric oriole]

Reload your magazine after every shot

[plucky summit]

I interpreted the first statement incorrectly, I was thinking of total interclip :p

[safe cedar]

All we need is a panzer 1, with 100 round burst.

[lyric oriole]

We had that

Remember Annihilator with Double shot lmao

[plucky summit]

Pz. II J moment

[lyric oriole]

When you say dump clip it took it literally

[safe cedar]

Lmao just pull up to the sid of some teir II and let that MG34 rip.

[plucky summit]

No no get this

Reduce IS-3D's reload by 4s, and the interclip by 4s, but then make them intraclips 😂

[safe cedar]

lol, why not just give the AMX 50b its irl clip size? Its only 19 rounds.

[balmy compass]

Whats the mag reload

[lyric oriole]

However long it takes to get 19 122mm shells into the tank

[safe cedar]

Irl? Several minutes assuming you have really good dexterity and 18' biceps

[lyric oriole]

It has the same thing as 13 75 where the only way to "reload" was vacate the tank and restock

[safe cedar]

50b is slightly different in its magazine design than from the AMX 13, its more acute to the IS-7s tbh.

[plucky summit]

I guess in a way, the word 'acute' works ._.

[plucky summit]

For this, IS-3D has 2.8k DPM, but can't control when to fire the second or third shell 😂

[blissful osprey]

I need a rundown between the difference between an intraclip and an interclip, if I'm going to be honest.

[plucky summit]

Think about Leopard

It has an interclip, and an intraclip

You choose when to begin firing after an interclip, but when you fire, the first shell and second shell fire nearly at the same time, out of your control, the time between them two firing being the intraclip

[pallid flame]

I’m going to spam HE at people with is3d

[plucky summit]

Helsing only has an intraclip, as well as Annihilator, while tanks like Gravedigger only have interclips

I think the pre-5.5 T-46 and A-20 are good examples, do you know what their guns were like? @blissful osprey

[blissful osprey]

A bit. Nasty things, those guns were.

[plucky summit]

Okay so they had a gun that fires 6 shells, separated into 3 and 3

When it's loaded and you click once, you fire three shells, the time it takes between each shell automatically firing is the intraclip.

Once the last shell in the burst is shot, you then begin the interclip, which afterwards you may click again to fire three more shells, and then reload the whole thing again afterwards

[scarlet kernel]

Why don't we just call those autocannons?

[plucky summit]

Because we're not trying to classify the gun, we're trying to establish the difference between interclips and intraclips

[blissful osprey]

tbh you just had to mention the Leopard

[plucky summit]

Reload Time -> click -> pop - intraclip - pop - intraclip - pop -> interclip -> click -> pop - intraclip - pop - intraclip - pop -> Reload Time

Helsing = intraclip
B-C Bourrasque = interclip

[scarlet kernel]

Engish confuse smol brain me

[plucky summit]

One could argue that it's unnecessary to call Helsing's burst an intraclip, since there's no interclip anyways

[scarlet kernel]

I do found this on the forum

[safe cedar]

English is hard, but french grammar, french grammar is nightmare.

[plucky summit]

leopard fires (if I remember correctly):
3 - 3 - 3 - 3
Which totals 12 shells per load

[blissful osprey]

I personally think the same could be said for the Anni since it doesn't really have an interclip either

[plucky summit]

Between each three is the interclip, and within the 3 is the intraclip

@blissful osprey I agree

[safe cedar]

WG should add the T-64 ig, it should branch off from IS-8.

[plucky summit]

Old T-46 and A-20’s system

Yes, those are shells, idc how bad they look

[blissful osprey]

For some dumb reason I want to see a collaboration between Command and Conquer and WoTB

[twin vapor]

@blissful osprey ik, have a mammoth tank in the game

[misty wing]

Closest thing is the new Italian TDs on PC taking longer to unload their clip than to reload it lmao

[brave juniper]

So in short intra is time the time between each shell fired every salvo, 0.67s each shell in annihilator's case, and in say AMX 50b's case 3s interclip reload

Or using a rifle that fires 3 bullets every shot for example, idk an M4A3, 3 bullets but 1 every 0.x time for the intra, and 1s for the inter

[wanton fjord]

Howcome 268 has more armor than is8 even tho they have the same hull

[plucky summit]

because it actually isn't

[warped shoal]

Anyone feels the T-34-3 ammorack needs a buff?

[blissful osprey]

Uh, come again?

[warped shoal]

Do you think the T-34-3 needs an ammorack buff cause its really weak 3/5 of the times I got ammorack even from the front

[blissful osprey]

Um, because some of the ammo is stored in front...

[misty wing]

It's a Chinese/Russian tank thing

[blissful osprey]

Be thankful the thing doesn't spontaneously combust like one.

[robust orchid]

Finally, I got the Ho-Ri Type III

[hollow notch]

Ew
A td

[robust orchid]

Meh, my credits, my choices anyway.

[hollow notch]

You had better be firing full gold with that tank

[robust orchid]

Pfft, HE all the way.

[hollow notch]

No, seriously. Spam full gold
You lose 15 alpha for a huge pen increase

[rigid thunder]

HE all the way = easy 20% winrate

[thorny smelt]

Armor left the game