vehicles-discussion

[blissful osprey]

It is... It just happens to be a collector.

[umbral hamlet]

it is

[rose thicket]

Oh, ok, I was not expecting that, I've never seen it in blitz

[solid gate]

it's tier 6 that i confused with tier 5

[rose thicket]

Yeah, not problem

[solid gate]

But I googled and saw that the sherman jumbo is the M4A3E8

[umbral hamlet]

rarest tank in t6 probably

@solid gate that's the tech tree one

[blissful osprey]

Oh, God no, I can't believe you lapped that up.

[rose thicket]

Nop, it's the M4A3E2, the M4A3E8 was the easy eight

[prime tundra]

my first impression with stock vk 100 wasnt too bad it seems like an okay tank even without the better gun

[rose thicket]

Oh ok, I believe that, never seen it in battle at all

[umbral hamlet]

i legit saw it once in 15k battles

[rose thicket]

Full, it's a great take for my opinion

[prime tundra]

the gun lacks damage thought but i dont feel that its such a big downside as i have been told

[rose thicket]

God, that's my new goal in this game to see it lmao

[prime tundra]

at least it feels better than barely being able to penetrate at all ig

[umbral hamlet]

another reason because i haven't seen it much is because i barely play below tier8, and very often i do tier10 only sessions

[rose thicket]

Stock, it's pretty hard to play it, but with the second gun, playing it is way better

[rose thicket]

Me too

[prime tundra]

i guess? but then lacking damage feels much less frustrating than lacking pen

[rose thicket]

It depend on your play style

[prime tundra]

elaborate

[frail tusk]

Amx 30 b should have a buff on his dispersion, dispersion in moove and also for dpm or aiming time.

[atomic forge]

How much does the 0-47 Phoenix cost when ots in the store?

[strange ingot]

It was 5.5k gold last time

[misty wing]

Which was the best irl between conqueror, m103, and T-10

[violet timber]

Probably the T-10, only because of the T-10M. Though other than that, I’d say the M103

The only thing the Conq had on the other 2 was armor. It couldn’t fire on the move at all, and was rather sluggish. It was just a meh vehicle in general

[misty wing]

Doesn't the conq have the worst armor of the 3 in blitz though

[past crane]

The M48, Centurion, and T-54/55/62 were all better.

Heavy tanks were made irrelevant during the late 50s/early 60s

Ok in all seriousness, I would probably say the M103 would have been the most capable in combat, but as all of these vehicles weren’t used in any sort of war, I have honestly no idea.

[misty wing]

Okay but that's not the point

[violet timber]

Not really, they just all have bad armor

[violet timber]

The T-10M would absolutely ruin the other two, but that’s a bit unfair. If we don’t use the T-10M, then it is the M103

[misty wing]

How so

[past crane]

Yes, I was talking about earlier T-10 versions and not the upgraded T10s from years later.

[misty wing]

Was the M62-T2 really that much better than the other guns

[past crane]

The T-10 just got developed much further than the M103 or Conq even tho all three were fairly similar at the start of their development.

[violet timber]

The T-10M was a modernized version of the T-10, given literally everything. It was made to counter the M103 and Conqueror. The US and UK didn’t respond to it because they were already walking away from the heavy tank at that point

No matter how you cut it, the Conqueror Mk. 2 Just isn’t going to beat an M103A2 or T-10M.

[valid gale]

Conq mk2 wasn’t even a massive upgrade anyways it was just to solve its thorn in the side issues

[violet timber]

And even then it couldn’t fire on the move 😔

[misty wing]

Sad, conqueror is my favorite of the bunch

[violet timber]

I love it, but it was slow, and rather unpractical tbh

[misty wing]

I normally dislike British tanks but conq hits different

[past crane]

Yeah Britain had some weird doctrine tbh

[violet timber]

They could’ve achieved basically the same thing by taking off armor to make it mor mobile. It was meant to engage at long range anyways

Both M103 and Conq were slightly different to normal heavy tanks as they weren’t really meant to get close. Instead they were there to support the Centurions and M48s if they ran into something like an IS-3

[misty wing]

Are you implying that a centurion or M48 would've struggled to deal with an IS-3

[violet timber]

Well yes, they would’ve. Especially the early models.

[past crane]

I mean by you got to later Cent and M48 variants they could have easily dealt with an IS-3.

[valid gale]

They were proven to stomp the is3 in one of the Egyptian wars

[violet timber]

The IS-3 was a terrifying monster of a tank. Now of course the allies didn’t know that it was rather unreliable

[atomic forge]

Cool thanks

[violet timber]

The US and UK thought the IS-3 was a much much better tank than it was, hence why they made entire tanks to counter it and future Soviet heavy tanks

[past crane]

Yeah it was not as good as first thought, like any Soviet vehicle it had some issues. By the time the IS-3 was being used in combat often aquired secondhand from the USSR, the Allies had much better MBTs to counter it

[violet timber]

The users of the IS-3 also had many tactical issues that brought down the effectiveness of the tank

[misty wing]

"The allies" wasn't a thing anymore by that time though

[past crane]

I don’t think the Soviets themselves ever used them in major combat, they just passed them off to other countries.
@misty wing yeah NATO is probably a better term

[valid gale]

The is3 pretty much did not ever under the ussr to hand me downs they did like the Egypt conflict they were faced against centurions and pattons older variants and were easily destroyed

[violet timber]

That was mainly tactical issues, with the users bringing the tanks into unfavorable situations

[misty wing]

On a slightly different note, can WG get rid of the black prince turret caernarvon and the caernarvon turret conqueror already? They look goofy as heck, and PC has already gotten rid of them

[violet timber]

What, do something that makes sense? Preposterous!

[vocal sentinel]

Can't do shit right in my IS-8

[violet timber]

1. Find enemy mediums
2. Bully enemy medium
3. Flank enemy heavies
4. Bully enemy heavies
5. Win

[vocal sentinel]

1. Find enemy meds
2. What's their TD doing here
3. HP disappears

[violet timber]

Ah, exposing your hull to the enemy isn’t part of the 5 step plan

[vocal sentinel]

This thing doesn't have the armor to bully shit. Not even tier 8

[violet timber]

It does, just don’t expose your hull

[vocal sentinel]

The gun is the only thing keeping me from just straight up selling this

[misty wing]

IS-8 is actually good

[vocal sentinel]

Not for me apparently. Can't even deal my HP most of the time

[violet timber]

Hull down, use gun, profit

[vocal sentinel]

Tried that, didn't work

[violet timber]

Then you aren’t doing it properly

[vocal sentinel]

Idk what to do anymore at this point

Still need 188k exp and I hate this thing with every fiber in my body

[south arch]

What is the trick to beat the smasher and annihilator? They are impossible to beat.

[violet timber]

Basically bully their team.

[vocal sentinel]

Then what is the proper way, cuz this shit has no gun depression

[violet timber]

Find somewhere that you can use your gun depression, or at least hide your hull. Maps are full of small hills and rocks

[south arch]

@violet timber how I trade shots with them and die

[vocal sentinel]

I am hiding the hull, they're still going through, and my HP lasts me about as long as the Maginot line

[violet timber]

If they’re still going through, that’s a tank you shouldn’t be facing

[south arch]

Try using a sherman firefly and going against a smasher or annihilator. Utter pay2win bs

[violet timber]

Try flanking them

[misty wing]

Are you playing it stock

[south arch]

@violet timber problem is the low damage on the firefly makes it very hard to win

[misty wing]

Problem is it's an average tier 6 vs an OP tier 7

[violet timber]

160 isn’t low for tier 6

[south arch]

You need to land a bunch of shots to take out any tier 7. Its bs

[misty wing]

You need to land a bunch of shots to take out any enemy with most tanks

[vocal sentinel]

No

Current game session looks like this

1. Go medium side
2. Heavy side looses because we're down a whole heavy tank
3. Loose

[violet timber]

You should dominate their med side pretty quickly, allowing you to flank their heavies before your heavies are dead

[vocal sentinel]

Only things this shit can "dominate" are tier 7 and below

[misty wing]

Sounds like a skill issue

[violet timber]

Unfortunately for you, you are wrong.

[faint walrus]

are the european medium lines good and if so which is the best?

[wintry orchid]

Prog isn’t easy to play and tvp got no armour but I’d say TVP rather

[faint walrus]

should i go for the heavies instead?

[strange ingot]

60tp is okay, kran is just useless

[umbral crater]

kran op

[strange ingot]

Progetto is easier to play than tvp tho

[wintry orchid]

Well it’s kinda more difficult with the autoreloader and also I suck on it lol

[strange ingot]

What's hard about autoreloaders lol

[umbral crater]

ur hard

[strange ingot]

The only thing that sucks in prog is gun comfort

[umbral crater]

daddy

[plucky summit]

🗿

[mystic sleet]

That's pretty cool actually

[blissful osprey]

Is someone really complaining about the IS-8?

[balmy compass]

Matches well lol

[broken root]

what’s the best seal clubbing tier V tank?

[balmy compass]

T1 heavy probably ranks pretty high up

[blissful osprey]

Chicken actually did a good job this time.

@broken root The one that I use to seal club you so you'll stop using disgusting tactics like that.

[candid oar]

Obj 907 needs either a armor buff or a dpm buff

[balmy compass]

Why though, 907 seems fine to me

[blissful osprey]

Or maybe the player behind it needs a skill buff.

[plucky summit]

No I didn't, they're just both British 😂😂😂

[candid oar]

Top 8 player and 3.2k tier 10 avg seems skilled enough to comment, hbh

[balmy compass]

Hey Chicken, can I have a panzer 38h (same turret) with toaster gun

[plucky summit]

And it's not a stupidly cursed request so they actually seem proportional

And ok @balmy compass

[balmy compass]

If you are so skilled you can make it work for you

[blissful osprey]

Oh, so it seems people do fine in the tank. Thanks for down-playing your own argument. Have a great day.

[candid oar]

The 907 armor profile just doesn't offer effective coverage leaving the tank largely under protected when versing any other tier 10 medium whether be it in hulldown or brawl.
The dpm is the worst of the tier 10 Russian mediums.

Maneuverability as a trade off is nice, but at the cost of armor and dpm is unneeded

[blissful osprey]

Ah yes, like 3.3k DPM wasn't enough.

[balmy compass]

I thought 907 was more of a flanking tank, not a brawler

[plucky summit]

Look, when you make all the russian mediums try to do around the same thing, some just have to fall behind

@balmy compass

[balmy compass]

Nice

[violet timber]

All top 8 players have more than 4K avg damage though

I’ve also seen many proven top players say that the 907 is rather good. It’s at least on par with the T-62A

[blissful osprey]

They argued that the 907 has the "worst DPM out of all Russian meds," which still surpasses 3k, so I don't know what they tried to achieve there.

[violet timber]

In a tier list made by 5 of the best players on NA, the 907 was ranked 2nd highest out of the Russian meds, with only the T-22 beating it

And when I say the T-22 was beating it, they were right next to each other, meaning the T-22 was just barely better

[hard cedar]

wow that's crazy !!!

[hard cedar]

doesn't matter if it's higher than 3k it's still the worst soviet med dpm ??

[balmy compass]

It may be the worse technically but its still great

[past crane]

That being said, the tank itself isn’t all that great, it’s just generally on par with most mediums of the tier, and not super OP. However it is quite a rare vehicle so the majority of players playing it are superunis, which are artificially inflating the winrate, TLDR the 907s performance is not due to it’s statistics but the people who play it.

[hard cedar]

🤨

[blissful osprey]

Come on, it's 3.3k. Yes, it doesn't beat any of the other Russian MTs, but that doesn't mean you can use that as a valid point as to why it needs a DPM buff at all.

[misty wing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDAyStTIPds
this looks really fun ngl

[blissful osprey]

What's with the video.

[misty wing]

wdym what's with it

[blissful osprey]

Why video

[keen garnet]

because video?

[blissful osprey]

But video not allowed according to rules. Therefore, video bad.

[keen garnet]

no such rule man

[misty wing]

where does it say no videos allowed

[keen garnet]

^

[misty wing]

I just looked at #rules and found no such restriction

[blissful osprey]

Hm, but the mods never liked videos.

[keen garnet]

only not in #blitz-memes

[misty wing]

never seen them say anything against it

[blissful osprey]

Oh, okay.

[dark ravine]

Cooperate asks you if you see any difference in these two pictures.

[keen garnet]

One is great, the other is trash

[dark ravine]

Yes true. Other thing is both have 5 rollers. And same type of hull. Funny thing is m103 and 57 has 6 rollers.

[blissful osprey]

I simp both of them.

One actually has a footing within its meta, while the other does not. Also, that' because the T57 is based off an M103 hull, not an E5 hull.

[misty wing]

you clearly can't count, because T57 and M103 have 7 rollers

[dark ravine]

The upper rollers

[misty wing]

ok but who counts those? The road wheels are so much more obvious

and it's not like the difference exists only in the upper rollers. T57/M103 has an additional wheel on both the top and bottom compared to M48

[dark ravine]

Yep true. T57 uses same hull as m103.

@misty wing That's my opinion. I should've stated that.

[dark ravine]

Yes I know. They use the same T43 hull.

[misty wing]

it's not really an opinion, and more of a sub-optimal way to express something. Most online sources will refer to only the road wheel count when discussing a tank's suspension, or place more emphasis on it

[dark ravine]

OK mate

[misty wing]

From wikipedia:

"Following contemporary American design philosophy, the M103 was built with a two-piece, cast elliptic armor scheme, similar to the M48's design. It featured seven road wheels per side, mounted with long-arm independent torsion bars. The 28-inch (71 cm) track was shoed in steel backed rubber chevron tracks, allowing for a ground pressure of 12.9 psi." (M103)

"The hull armor was increased to 4 in (100 mm) on the front glacis of rolled homogeneous steel. It had six roadwheel pairs per side and five return rollers, a torsion bar suspension system, and used T97E2 steel tracks." (M48)

"The T32E1 variant eliminated weak spots in the frontal armor, including removing the hull mounted machine gun. As a result of all the changes, the M26 chassis had to be expanded, with an extra road wheel added on each side, bringing the total to seven, to reduce the ground pressure due to the tank's increased weight." (T32)

"The Henschel version used a conventional hull design with sloped armour resembling the layout of the Panther tank. It had a rear-mounted engine and used nine steel-tired, eighty-centimeter-diameter overlapping road wheels per side with internal springing, mounted on transverse torsion bars, in a similar manner to the original Henschel-designed Tiger I."
"The Porsche hull designs included a rear-mounted turret and a mid-mounted engine. The suspension was the same as on the Elefant tank destroyer. This had six road wheels per side mounted in paired bogies sprung with short longitudinal torsion bars that were integral to the wheel pair; this saved internal space and facilitated repairs." (Tiger II)

As you can see, the conversation is usually about road wheels

[hot geode]

What name owner name

[misty wing]

huh

[hot geode]

What name owner name

[misty wing]

no idea what you mean by that pal

[blissful osprey]

The name of the owner depends on who named them. However, I am not well versed in that, so I cannot help you.

[hot geode]

Thank you

[blissful osprey]

It was my pleasure.

[misty wing]

that was my idea. The idea was that if the matilda with a cromwell turret is the matilda black prince, then a matilda with a centurion turret (which is the second succession of the cromwell), would be the Matilda Conqueror (since conq is a second succession of the BP)

[lyric copper]

well it isn’t a Cromwell turret lol

[past fractal]

An up armored one I would say

94 mm front, 80 mm sides and rear

[misty wing]

The Matilda BP?

It actually is

[past fractal]

I checked wot pc matilda bp since blitz has a reputation of drastically changing armor models

Basically the turrets of the two have the same thicknesses all over

[scarlet kernel]

That 13.5k SU-130PM offer is tempting me...

[quartz osprey]

I'd rather get LT432 :troll:

[scarlet kernel]

Mmmmph... I want to get the chi nu kai, or atleast a 12.5k tier X

[scarlet kernel]

Wait is the LT-432 good tho?

[quartz osprey]

Size

[quartz osprey]

You can bully super heavies such as VK 100 and 168

[scarlet kernel]

Im getting more tempted....

Must. Hold. Myself. From. Buying

[silk tide]

Seriously, you wouldnt even talk about buying these if they werent p2w/OP.

[strange ingot]

No

[scarlet kernel]

Y'know what, im just gonna hold it and convince myself that one day they will sell the concept 1B for gold

[solid gate]

T44-100 for only 4k gold at the store, heard its mid so not a good idea to buy it

[silk tide]

If it were OP, whatd be the point of buying it? Fuel someones greed?

[nimble topaz]

su 130pm and the lt 432 are overpriced i guess? 8.5k gold for each tank ?!?!? I got vk 168 for 5.5k only and it already has a camo on it 😦

[umbral hamlet]

they're both hyper-overpriced, last time su130pm was sold it was 7.5k gold (full equipped) and the lt432 well... it's new so ofc it's overpriced

[nimble topaz]

tornvagn's turret got crushed.... IT EVEN MORE CrUshed THAn The ConCepT 1B

[prime tundra]

why is it so NARROW

[solid gate]

Is T35 mod 1935 suitable for the game?
Eg: a T5 collector?

[blissful hamlet]

No

[solid gate]

Y?

[blissful hamlet]

We have the T-28

[balmy compass]

A great idea

[solid gate]

No harm adding its T5 counsin

[sweet geode]

On the su 152 I have to take risks in shooting when the aming circle is not all the way shrunk right?

[ornate coral]

Yes. Just like on any other tank
The risk of not hitting the enemy where you wanted to hit or no hitting him at all

[sweet geode]

Ok because the su is at 80 crew mastery

[sweet geode]

Thank you for responding.

[ornate coral]

I'm ngl the hd model looks amazing

[misty wing]

it was long overdue

and damn, game in german with all the german tanks
at least I think that's german, I wouldn't be able to tell if it was swedish or something

[swift wedge]

you are crazy

[misty wing]

huh

[lyric oriole]

[blissful osprey]

Probably the camo, which admittedly, is not a great look on it.

[misty wing]

if you somehow think the HD model looks worse, then you are absolutely and utterly insane

[hollow notch]

It doesn't really fit in with the rest if the game. Pbr tanks stick out painfully

[swift wedge]

he has crazy tanks

[misty wing]

it sticks out, sure, but it still looks 1000x better

[kindred wren]

I feel like it looks out of place, almost cartoonish

[misty wing]

it looks more realistic and less cartoonish than the non-PBR though

[kindred wren]

I meant cartoonish in how much it sticks out (humorous exaggeration)

[misty wing]

good, it's too hard to see tanks when they blend in

[kindred wren]

Lol

[keen garnet]

War Thunder gamer

[kindred wren]

Easier to kill these pesky Grilles

[misty wing]

lmao, the offer still shows the old model

[ivory ocean]

xD

[past fractal]

“We will change 183 model”

Offer: No

[hot geode]

My target is maus

[keen garnet]

Did a really good job on the Jag ngl

[balmy compass]

Who brought a tank to paintball

[blissful osprey]

The wallet warrior.

[valid gale]

A mock up jag for a paintball arena wouldn’t be a bad idea

[keen garnet]

Lmao

[hollow moth]

I mean, the idea of a tank in a paintball battle isn't that bad, if you stick together some cardboards, make a hole as viewport for the driver and other 2 for the shooter; one to fit the gun and other as commander hatch, that'd work fine

[balmy compass]

True 😂

You could model open topped tanks like the M10 wolverine

[hollow moth]

That'd be more balanced, as now the enemy team would have a chance to actually take the tank down

[balmy compass]

Man, Jageroo looks amazing
(Dont mind my weird camo)

[blissful osprey]

I find this camo better on this type of vehicle.

[balmy compass]

Jupiter is one of my favorite not realistic camos

[hollow moth]

Dear Lord, look to what they've done to my baby... now it actually can conceals in realistic mode!

[blissful osprey]

H-hey, stop flooding this channel with a bunch of pics of your Jageroo.

[hollow moth]

I'm just disappointed about how Carbon looks a bit worse now

[misty wing]

just buy the legendary

[balmy compass]

Grille looks epic too, I like the track link in front of the periscope too

[hollow moth]

Nah, used some old camoudlages that I had instead

[arctic lintel]

I hope they add more tanks with HD next update. More than 3 that is. Like when they did 4. Also DANG THE JG LOOKIN SMOOOOOOOTH!!!!

And Grille

[swift wedge]

which tanks should I inevst first?

[swift flume]

How did u get dat hangar?!😱

[keen garnet]

Mod

[swift flume]

Ooo

[balmy compass]

Are you new?

[viscid summit]

It's just model from regular wot lol

[balmy compass]

Still cool

[prime tundra]

as a vk 100, how do i go up against t9 tanks?

[violet timber]

Angle, try to block you cupola with your gun

[prime tundra]

i mean, yeah, i know that im a tier lower, but i dont want to end up doing like 300 or 600 damage in a match because i cant pen their fronts and am too slow to flank

[blissful hamlet]

Try baiting some shots with your side, wait for the enemy be distracted by another ally and shoot at the turret/hull side, or wait the enemy shoot another tank and then you fire, of you can't pen, load prammo,
260mm of pen with the apcr is enough to pen most lower plates

[solid gate]

Best background avatar

[balmy compass]

Cool vehicle

[ornate coral]

for sure
It was the only camo I had

[solid gate]

what are the generally accepted best tier 8 premiums right now? Havent been playing for 6 months so idk the tanks

[ornate coral]

As far as I know
TD wizard 120 1 g ft
HT bobject 252
MT Chimera
LT Lt 432

[solid gate]

chimera has been a beast since releases damn

[solid gate]

i know T95E2 is in that list too

[blissful hamlet]

T95E2 is meh

[solid gate]

well i thought i heard players say its strong

[blissful hamlet]

In very good hands

[wise moth]

There’s no reason to play a T95E2 when you can play a Pershing

[safe cedar]

Kranvagn is horrible, desperately needs a buff

[pallid elbow]

The Chinese Tier 6 TD is worse, it is basically a SU 100 but without armor

[safe cedar]

Atleast it has a gun though

Kranvagn literally has nothing except a clumsy 120mm clip

[misty wing]

Last I checked, T95E2 was in the list of worst tier 8 premiums, not best

[solid gate]

Oh wait i meant the T54E2, the heavy tank

[misty wing]

you just casually left out the fact that it has an impenetrable turret while hulldown lmao

[safe cedar]

You just casually let out the fact it has no dpm, mobility, gun handling, traverse, side armour, or intraclip.

[misty wing]

none of those are truly awful except the DPM lol

and even then it's perfectly usable

[safe cedar]

I take you haven't played it recently?

[misty wing]

I last played it a week ago probably

[safe cedar]

Yeah you might get a few good positions and good games, but when 3k is a mastery at tier X, that kinda shows how bad it is.

[hollow notch]

Dpm-> it has the ability to fully use the dpm that it does have, which only autoreloaders have the ability to do
Mobility-> allow me to introduce you to superconsumables
Gun handling-> hulldown invincibility allows you to fully aim shots
Traverse sucks, yes
Side armor-> allow me to introduce you to the concept of hull down
Intraclip-> you rarely need to dump the clip, and when you do(getting yoloed) you have enough time to get it out.

[misty wing]

the side armor is already like twice that of what it is on PC, so I wouldn't complain

[safe cedar]

On PC it is a monster

[hollow notch]

monster broken

[safe cedar]

You cant use dpm if you cant reach the frontline

[misty wing]

just use the super speed boost lol, it's really not that slow

[safe cedar]

30kph?

[hollow notch]

._. What kind of small brain argument is that
Press zoom consumable

[safe cedar]

It only makes you go like 34-35kph

[misty wing]

the speed is normal for a heavy, you're clearly just too used to mediums/french tanks

[hollow notch]

It goes at 35
A lot of heavies won't hold that on anything other than flat or downhill

[safe cedar]

IS-7, IS-4, T110e5, T57, WZ, FV, cheiftan

[misty wing]

T57 cannot sustain 35 lol

[safe cedar]

On sand no, on road it easily can

[strange thicket]

IS-7, IS-4 lack gun dep and a clip
t57 doesn't have similar armor
wz doesn't have similar gun dep
E5 doesn't have an impenetrable turret and the gun sucks more
cheiftan has a way weaker turret
i don't see where the comparison is coming from

[misty wing]

it's coming from a lack of brain cells

[strange thicket]

that is a bit rude :/

[safe cedar]

Its coming from the claim that most heavies can't sustain 35kph

Notice they are all decently mobile

[hollow notch]

Just so you know, superspeed cons puts the kran effective power to weight higher than any of the tanks you listed
(E5 also has zoom, but is pathetic in every other way)

[safe cedar]

Temporarily

[hollow notch]

enough to get into position

At which point you can hulldown brutalize everything

[strange thicket]

i think kran is just balanced rn. doesn't need anything else when you have that strong of a turret
you will not be relocating much when you control an important hulldown area

[hollow notch]

Also, you mentioned side armor earlier
The mk6 has overmatch sides for everything

[safe cedar]

Cheiftan goes 42kpg and have 3k dpm

[misty wing]

and the turret and sides are 100x weaker

and it has no clip

[safe cedar]

Kranvagn really just needs a traverse buff

[hollow notch]

Why though
That just noob proofs it
Plan ahead
Use a few brain cells, the kran covers most of the other ones you would usually need

[safe cedar]

?

[hollow notch]

The kran is idiotproof
You can peek and sit in front of fully loaded tanks
Ridiculous reverse speed to get out of bad situations you put yourself in
Have a clip for when you suicide yolo and die

All you have to do is keep reds on the pointy end of the turret and wear them down

[safe cedar]

Idiotproof? IS-7 is idiotproof

[misty wing]

so therefore kran isn't?

[safe cedar]

True, I didn't provide and argument.

Kranvagn is an extremely situational tank as are all autoloaders. Because of that I would argue it isn't idiotproof.

[misty wing]

it's an autoreloader though

[safe cedar]

But unlike the T57, or AMX 50 it can't create or gain the initiative it is forced into this weird reactionary playstyle

[hollow notch]

If you are complaining about the playstyle, the tank just isn't for you.

It has a couple of really, really strong aspects that get balanced out by some other bad aspects. That's how balancing works.

[thorny smelt]

May 2022 battlepass tank, Charles

[balmy compass]

French M10 Wolverine with tarp over the top

[thorny smelt]

Upgraded to tier 6

[hollow moth]

Perhaps it's a Wolverine sent to the french liberation army on late war after the D-day

[thorny smelt]

Achilles is the British Wolverine

[thorny smelt]

This is too early for me but okay

[slim topaz]

TOG BP 🗿

[blissful osprey]

I mean, that's actually quite fast for a tank that is literally a huge slab of turret armor.

[hollow moth]

In São Paulo, a state of Brazil, most of the streets and avenues have a speed limit of 60km/h, so it's impressively fast for for me to be honest

[blissful osprey]

What?

[hollow moth]

Which part you didn't undertand?

[blissful osprey]

The part where talking about Brazil related to anything about the Kran's speed.

[hollow moth]

34km/h is relatively fast is you compare with the speed limit of some places

[past fractal]

I mean also in game 34 km/h is already decently fast

[hollow moth]

Yeah, mostly for a heavy tank

[past fractal]

And for a heavy tank that has a reputation of being “slow”

[hollow moth]

That's almost the speed of a light tank with broken engine
So not that bad for kranvagn

[past crane]

You've got it half right, it's a wolverine upgraded with the QF 17-pounder. Similar to the Sherman Firefly.

[thorny smelt]

And TOG II as the June BP tank

[violet timber]

Nope, both the 3 inch and the 17 pounder are called Achilles

[past crane]

Huh, didn’t know that the regular M10s used by the RAC were also called Achilles

You sure about that?

[violet timber]

I am sure, as The Chieftain is the one who said it

[past crane]

Well, we can always trust him.
Thanks for that interesting fact, I’ve never heard that both modified and original M10s used by the British went under the same name.

[violet timber]

It’s just one of the tidbits I’ve picked up by watching him

[hard cedar]

🥴

[misty wing]

who's the chieftain

[plucky summit]

He goes inside tanks =>

[fallow sluice]

My brain is wondering off again...

• Full Lowe Turret
• VK 100.01 Hull / TOG II Hull
  Or
• Rhm Long Boi Gun
• KV-3 Turret
• IS-6 Hull

[manic vault]

Howdy err... is anybody here a pro medium/light player?

[plucky summit]

"full" Lowe turret =l

Pick one btw, specify gun if first option

[silk tide]

I'd advise the original soviet light tank line (mt 25,lttb,t54ltwt,t54) for decent turret armour. Decent performance (for me).

[plucky summit]

It never ended in a light tank, did it? Was 140 considered light?

[silk tide]

It goes to mediums once the t 54 is reached, wouldn`t advise to use the obj 140 over the t62 though.

[misty wing]

so it's not an "original soviet light tank line" then

[silk tide]

What I meant was before LTG and the other "LTs" were added

[fallow sluice]

First Option
Gun Included for Lowe

[misty wing]

and besides, how do you know he was asking for a line to grind? based on his question, I find it more probable that they want advice with playing lights/meds

[solid gate]

Make maus go 1000 kmh

[silk tide]

I was mentioning a line in which I performed well, should be answering his question to some degree.
But I don`t know how to use the really light tanks without armour too well..

[violet timber]

I am 100% a pro light player

[safe cedar]

The armour thickness is kinda irrelevant the weight is more important which is relatively low given its extremely small size. Its also the 4th slowest tier X heavy.

[misty wing]

kran isn't even that small, like the emil 1 is

[safe cedar]

I mean for what it is it a very small (heavy) tank

[misty wing]

it is quite narrow, but it's actually longer and taller than something like an IS-4, for example

also the Maus is sadly very undersized in game, at 8.96m×3.70m×2.93m when IRL it was 10.2mx3.71mx3.63m

[safe cedar]

I mean yeah, but remember it weighs 44 tonnes.

[misty wing]

it doesn't really matter outside of ramming, which you don't really want to do in a tank like the kran

[safe cedar]

3.63m?

[misty wing]

tall

[safe cedar]

AMX 50 is like 3.4m irl according to museum staff.

[misty wing]

yes, AMX 50 is extremely extremely tall

[safe cedar]

Yeah its insane to watch that thing move.

[past crane]

Maybe WG will buff the size when they remodel it and give it PBR
That would be…interesting to say the least.

[safe cedar]

Doubt it, like they also underplay the M4a3e8s height.

[past crane]

E8 honestly is kinda left behind
It’s pen is…fine but I still think it just needs to be brought more in line with everything else.
Buff AP and APCR by 10mm and I’ll be happy. Also it’s so dumb that it has like ~7 less DPM than nearly every other 75/76mm gun in the tier because it has 0.2 seconds longer reload.
It’s so unsatisfying I wish WG could just buff it a touch.
Or buff the DPM even more to bring it in line with the playstyle for the rest of its line along with the T20. Would be a nice touch, albeit probably not needed.

[misty wing]

American med line already has an identity crisis with no consistent playstyle

[past crane]

It’s being more brought in line with the top tiers, at least from T8 onwards: slow ish, sort of squishy support tanks with above average DPM. That last trait hasn’t been a thing until recently with buffs to the Patton and Pershing.
To an extent that’s also the playstyle of an E8, it’s only the T20 that needs some love.
But it’s still an ok tank, just doesn’t fit with the rest of the line.

[misty wing]

Pershing and M48 were always supposed to be some of the better armored meds with good gun handling and hull down capabilities, but the M48 suffers a drop in gun depression which breaks away from the theme, and with some powercreep and tweaks they're both just DPM tanks now.

[hot geode]

Hoh

[past crane]

I mean they can still do that fairly well, overall the line is a bit more cohesive now.
M46 might need a touch more turret armor, but overall all 3 top tier ones feel much more like a natural branch now.
T20 is the ugly duckling of the line sadly.

[safe cedar]

All they need do if buff all the mantles

[balmy compass]

Wdym, it always had 5 degrees on the front

[blissful osprey]

I mean, you sorta just go hulldown and bully LTs, from my experience.

[misty wing]

That's not a real identity, because all meds can do that

[blissful osprey]

Then just play like an MT. I mean, MT's as a whole are inconsistent because they don't have a set role. The M48 just happens to be a slower interpretation of that. They don't really suffer or anything.

[misty wing]

I don't think you understand what I mean

and your reply seems to imply that you think I'm struggling with playing american meds, which I'm not (granted I haven't ground the line fully since I have the M60)

Every med line is supposed to have a niche about it, like the E50M line with their armor, the Chinese line with their alpha, or the Italians with their autoreloaders. The American mediums are all very different from each other and don't really share the same playstyle to the same degree as other med lines

[past crane]

The “specialty” of American mediums is that they have none at all. They sacrifice strength in one or two particular areas to perform every medium job decently well, minus the mobility.
Again, the recent changes to the top tier mediums have made the branch overall more cohesive: slow ish, DPM support tanks that can bounce a few shots and have generally average gun characteristics. The Easy 8 also uses this playstyle as does the Sherman to a degree.
The branch has overall been quite cohesive for me, minus the T20 which is the odd one out: it’s a fast paper tank with a punchy gun, instead of an all-rounder.

Again, an American medium’s “specialty” characteristic is versatility. They sacrifice performance in one or two major areas to have average stats all across board.

I think you just don’t understand the point of American mediums, which hurts me as I absolutely love them.

[misty wing]

I know they're supposed to be "jack of all trades", but they really aren't given the complete lack of armor that the T20 and M46 have

there's no way glass cannons like those tanks should ever be referred to as versatile

[acoustic galleon]

I hardly see the American meds in the matchmaker. Its just full of T62as.

[misty wing]

E50M is the most versatile medium in the game, there's no contest. Kinda sad if that's supposed to be the Americans' niche

[past crane]

Like I said T20 is the odd one out
The M46 can bounce a bit from low tiers, but unlike a T20 its still versatile enough because it actually has a very solid gun, as long as you aim your shots well so you can run rammer instead of cali (helped by the dispersion buff it recently got)
Me personally I did not struggle much in the M46, I just played a bit more cautiously than I did my Pershing and I did great.

[misty wing]

again implying that I'm making criticisms because I struggled in the tanks lmao

[acoustic galleon]

They need to buff the turrets of 46 and 48 pattons.

[past crane]

48 Patton turret is fine

[misty wing]

M48 turret is already great though

[acoustic galleon]

Maybe its just me playing heavies but it doesn't seem that strong to me.

[misty wing]

the cheeks are incredibly hard to hit if the M48 player is moving properly

[acoustic galleon]

*if

[misty wing]

well you're not supposed to judge a tank based on how the average 40%er plays it

[acoustic galleon]

Unicums can make most tanks work though, I prefer to judge tanks based on how they work in the hands of the majority of the player base. Not a handful of individuals.

[past crane]

Sorry if you think that. It’s just that I absolutely adore American mediums for some strange reason, so I get annoyed when people criticize them.
As for your E50M statement, it makes sense. I never said that the M48 or the line is the most versatile medium of its tier, I’m just stating American medium tank characteristics. That doesn’t mean other tanks cannot be versatile, it’s just that the Patton practically epitomizes it to its fullest because it has nearly zero standout qualities apart from its above average DPM. Same goes for the other tanks in the line minus the T20.

[plucky summit]

People judge tanks based on unicum play because they're the ones who know how to exploit the tank the best.

If a player can abuse the qualities of a tank (which most players can't) too hard, it should be nerfed

[past crane]

I’m not saying versatile = good, I’m just making a point on how American mediums play and how they differ from others.
That’s why I recommend them to new players, because their drawbacks are not very obvious at all, even if they might be statistically worse overall than other vehicles they are easier for a new player to get the hang of. Unicums and skilled players just don’t play them because most American mediums have a fairly low skill ceiling. You can’t use their strengths much unlike a Leo or 62A, because they really have none and a skilled player can make a more specialized tank work more effectively than a mediocre versatile one.

Wow M103 is typing out a whole essay here

[blissful osprey]

The thing about the line, in my eyes is that they sorta tries to drill into you a sorta "you can go hulldown, but mind yourself-you're still fragile" mindset by giving us tanks like the T20 and the M46. The T20 because it's God awful in everything, and the M46 because it cannot bounce anything to save its life (except for something T92s, but that's really due to the crappy accuracy). The M26 just tanks anything short of the strongest VIII TD guns through its turret, and the M48 has a solid turret as well. And the E8 is just the E8, as per usual. They can go hulldown, just don't expect to have them bounce everything if you treat them the same way you'd treat a hulldown machine like the T32.

No, I'm just not finding the right words to say (or type, rather) because I cannot formulate any sort of large body of written words as fast as I'd like to.

[past crane]

Lol. Your view of the line essentially is the same as mine then. T20 definitely needs some buff, but I have no idea what to give it because it depends if we want to keep its existing playstyle and improve it, or try and turn it into something else. Obviously the latter makes more sense, but then it’s so far removed from what the T20 is that to be honest, it would be better to replace it with like the T23 or even something like the Eagle 7- just some sort of Pershing prototype (yes the T20 eventually became the Pershing years later but I mean something much closer to the final product)

[misty wing]

T20 is basically just a slower dracula

[past crane]

that
P43 ter is much better imho, I absolutely adore that tank.

You get practically the same mobility for much more armor, more DPM, and only losing some gun depression and getting some awful shell velocity (which is negated by the fact you can actually use your armor)
T20 does have those amazing premium rounds though.

[misty wing]

p43 also seems like paper to me though

[plucky summit]

Plastic, I’d say

[past crane]

It can actually bounce lower and same tier mediums. The upper plate is 100mm of angled armor that can pretty much bounce anything up to about 165-170mm of pen.
Hide that lower plate and you can get some nice bounces, just be mindful of your turret.

[blissful osprey]

What they could have done is just go, "Aw, to hell with it, let's just make it the T25 but give it the 90mm M3 instead." And I say this because 1) America gets rid of yet another mediocre VIII MT, which is always good, and 2) It would stay consistent with the other T25s in-game (even if they didn't actually exist). I suppose they could just give it 7 second reload time to keep the constantly complaining community quiet and readjust the HP and view range as needed.

Honestly, I have no idea why they wanted to add the T25 anyways. You would've thought they'd see it flop immediately, but they carried on with its implementation.

[surreal osprey]

T110e3 or Obj268

[blissful osprey]

I'll ask you another question first:

What do you want to see in the tanks' gameplay?

[silk tide]

I would take Obj 268 but I`m a mobility guy.

[surreal osprey]

Uhhh I’m an aggressive player

[past fractal]

Then go T110E3

Hard to pen, mobility isnt too bad with speed boost either

[blissful osprey]

Then you may go for the E3. The E3 is slower, but has much more armor to compensate, while the 268 has the speed to get to key areas, but the armor isn't as impenetrable. It can't really control corridor fights as well as the E3, but it can't exactly force a hulldown fight as well as the E3 either.

[surreal osprey]

Thank you my brotha 🦤✊

[misty wing]

Depends on whether you want to be a Chaser or a Bulwark

[surreal osprey]

Is this supposed to be a reference or wha

[past fractal]

No idea
He might mean “Do u wanna be a mobile TD with ok armor and good gun” or “Slow but heavily armored TD with good gun (too) and super consumables”

[torpid lion]

Guys, is it possible that the sheridan missile will be back in events?

Like sold in gamemodes events M

[misty wing]

you guys seriously didn't get the reference? it's literally so obvious

[blissful osprey]

Honestly I'm starved for pretty much any media. I really have no idea.

[misty wing]

it's not even the media, it's in game -_-

[keen garnet]

It's their legendary camo names

[misty wing]

^^

[blissful osprey]

Is that what it was, now, is it? Cool,

[surreal osprey]

Why is the obj268 350k xp 🦤

[nimble topaz]

is this a good idea? LOL

[thorny smelt]

Grille 15 gun?

[nimble topaz]

fv4005 with conway turret to make the the turret smaller.... and it is equipped with grille gun for better firearm

yep @thorny smelt

[thorny smelt]

Perfection

[nimble topaz]

nice

[prime tundra]

whats the site/app called?

[plucky summit]

What?

[prime tundra]

to make these things

[plucky summit]

Oh, I use wotinspector to get the models, and I edit them together, would you like one?

Not to imply I can 3D edit with the models, I just grab screenshots and specifically crop parts out

It’s a specific process, really. I can stream it to you to show how I do it

[thorny smelt]

<@&481447501690568709>

[calm drum]

Normandie#5141 was muted

[plucky summit]

@prime tundra I will be sleeping momentarily, would you like a tank combo?

[prime tundra]

oooh thats cool

uhhhh maybe ill come up with one while you sleep

[plucky summit]

Alright, just know that you need to provide a gun, turret, and hull

The gun must be ≥ in size to the gun of the requested turret, and the turret must be ≥ in size to the turret of the requested hull. The turret also can't be too large where it extends over the hull edge

But I will wait 10 minutes or so for you to think, it's alright

[nimble topaz]

@prime tundra

made by @plucky summit hehe boyy

[plucky summit]

._.

I hope that has already been established by now lol

[nimble topaz]

WG make this tank 🤣

[plucky summit]

Oh boy.

[livid moss]

@plucky summit make Vickers light with grille gun and maus hull

[plucky summit]

👍

[nimble topaz]

👀

[plucky summit]

Actually, I can't do that, as it breaches the turret size rule @livid moss

I shall be sleeping now, ping me with your requests so I can have a 90% chance of doing them when I wake up

[glacial kiln]

@solid gate i will draw it for you

[glacial kiln]

Next model tank coming soon

[viscid summit]

I'm calling police xD

[frail tusk]

Please, buff the AMX 30B he is a very bad medium. He should have a buff dpm, buff precision, buff precision while mooving.

[past crane]

No
30B is fine where it is, every day we get someone whining about the 30B when it doesn’t need a buff.

[solid gate]

is there a tank cut outs you can make in the internet?

[violet timber]

Nah, buff p/w

[peak smelt]

anyone knows what happened with the legendary camo of the 50 tp prototype?

[exotic fog]

Soon ©️ ™️

[sleek atlas]

What do I do if this is happening to me? It so far seems like it is just the Jg but idk yet if any others do this as well.

[violet timber]

Remember armor profiles. Sorry, not much else I can say. You can try submitting a ticket to support

[sleek atlas]

okay ty. where is support at. sorry idk this server too well. is it just #585464006936887306 technical issues?

[hollow notch]

Uhhhh
But where is the actual hitbox

[sleek atlas]

or use the website I suppose

alr ty I'm going to go submit a ticket

[balmy compass]

Im guessing its just the armor highlight, not the actual hitbox

[silk tide]

I heard uninstalling mods fixes this, does it?

[misty wing]

idk, never tried mods myself and I also never have issues/bugs of that caliber

[thorny smelt]

Looks like its soul is ascending to heaven, or the other way around.

[nimble topaz]

• gets arrested *

[keen garnet]

Happened to me yesterday
If you're on Steam, validate your game files by going into game properties

It removes all mods and restores the game to its vanilla state
Fixed the problem for me and it works fine even after reinstalling my mods

[nimble topaz]

bruh worst fight....

[scarlet kernel]

Not the concept but im def buying that e6

[balmy compass]

The game ended in a draw, and you still got top of your team, I would say thats a decent game

[exotic fog]

Better than a steamroll loss ...

[wraith axle]

In both of cases don't buy this tank or its crates as it's one of the worst prem-collectors at t10

[lyric oriole]

Nah, that spot belongs to WZ-111-5A

M4 54 is a close second

[strange thicket]

it is a high skill tank
it is pretty nice actually

[wraith axle]

BuT the wZ 5a iS dRoOdLes fAvoRiTe TaNk sO iT mUsT bE gOoD

[orchid dagger]

183 needs a buff.😐

[sleek atlas]

Ah Thank you I'll try that later

[potent oracle]

@orchid dagger yes its great idea lets give that tank a 5 seconds reload

[orchid dagger]

@potent oracle a 17 second reload would be fair

[potent oracle]

Idk i think its allready balanced

[orchid dagger]

@potent oracle you die quickly in this abomination. Its irrelevant in battles these days with new tanks coming in the game

[potent oracle]

Yes you die quickly because you are team depented if fv could be alone and do some 1v2 its would be super op

[lyric oriole]

183 doesn't need a buff

Playing super far away is a great way to do terrible in it

It's intended to second line

And you should be taking some hits for your team on occasion

[balmy compass]

“Taking hits” more like being bait 😂

[lyric oriole]

People will focus you because the gun and just the gun. That is a pretty important role

[lyric oriole]

That's just it heavies and meds can push because peabrain players will keep watching the 183

[valid gale]

17 seconds is literally 1 behind jag

[blissful osprey]

T95E6 sighing in relief

[analog moth]

top 5 tanks that need a nerf tier X?

[blissful osprey]

Hmm…

1. T100
2. T100
3. T100
4. T100
5. Annihilator

[solid gate]

T62-A

[analog moth]

lol

[blissful hamlet]

Don't forget the T-100, and the T-100

[hollow notch]

T95e6 is a bad heavy, but as a medium it actually has a gun that can counter heavies. No other mediums can do that.

[past crane]

T95E6 is a great medium tank

[blissful osprey]

Okay

[faint walrus]

whats the best line in european tanks?

[plucky summit]

60TP, easily.

[faint walrus]

are either of the medium lines good?

[plucky summit]

Well there's just one, really.

It's... not optimal, but if you like a large clip size, then sure

[strange thicket]

Huh
Progetto no longer exists or sum

[plucky summit]

Nah, I mixed stuff up

The TVP is only a "medium" =>
I should have specified the large clip size, since TVP has 1 more shell

[violet timber]

60TP, IS-7, T-100, Yoh, and we’ll see what happens from there

[faint walrus]

is the T-34-85 line good for russian mediums

[violet timber]

The T-54 ltwt line is better

[thorny smelt]

Not my beloved baguette Q_Q

[misty wing]

Worst prem collector is probably the 121b ngl

[hollow notch]

The only thing that is actually bad about the 121b is the module problems. It's a very solid medium in every other way

You get all the soviet med advantages without the soviet med alpha

[balmy compass]

I think that tank is great, my friend showed it to me and he got 2 aces in a row, that’s probably not much but I can see its a great tank
Plus it has a super cool camo (imo)

[misty wing]

Actually yeah, T95E6 is probably the worst

[hollow notch]

In what way

Its a medium with an actually effective gun

[silk tide]

Is it just me or is the Tier 9 Conq a load of fun for the enemy?
It`s got a really weak turret, what did it get at that cost?

[rigid thunder]

it gets a really nice gun and broken consumables

[misty wing]

the armor is worthless, the top speed limits its ability to actually play as a medium, dispersion on the move is pretty bad relative to its speed

I think fatness said on stream that it feels like you always have to stop and shoot with it, which is pretty un-medium-like

[scarlet kernel]

i love how you guys said that but i got an ace and 5k dmg on my first game on it
screenshot soon after my pc cooperate

[strange thicket]

armor is far from worthless
if you are gonna complain about the cupola then might as well lump the mk6 with it
the speed is also pretty well and sits at 42. don't see how it can't medium hunt like that
dispersion isn't that bad ngl
turret is pretty sturdy besides cupola so you have to wiggle with it or go back in forth

[misty wing]

medium hunting is different from actually playing as a medium

And no, I'm not gonna complain about the cupola because I'm the biggest cupola fanboy here

[strange thicket]

i don't think it is completely different
medium hunting is just playing as a better medium that bullies other mediums around
so 🤷‍♂️
speed is more than enough to do that

[scarlet kernel]

The way i see it is basically, faster more reliable armor variant of chief mk.6

[hard cedar]

that's crazy

[strange thicket]

chief mk.6 trades the mobility and a bit of the armor for the gun
the e6 trades the gun for the mobility and the armor

[misty wing]

why not just play an E50M, which can bully mediums just as well if not better, yet be better in the late game once you win the med side and you have the opportunity to flank the heavies

[strange thicket]

i wish chief mk.6 was faster 😔
well that is not saying much because the 50M is over buffed ngl

[hard cedar]

several reasons why

[hollow notch]

E50m cannot rip armored targets apart

[scarlet kernel]

Wg marked e50m as a medium so lower hp, and the e6 also have a 400 dmg gun, and the e6 also have 340mm HEAT pen

It all come down to what you prefer

[misty wing]

And that's all the E6 really has. It's too little to call it a good tank

[hollow notch]

And gun depression
And acceleration
And workable armor

[misty wing]

it's in the bottom half of tier 10s imo, so therefore it's not good

[scarlet kernel]

It is my style of tank, more to MBT. So it is imo one of my top tanks

[misty wing]

I have to be as harsh as possible to tanks, after seeing people like droodles make tier lists where the absolute worst tanks are "average"

[strange thicket]

it doesn't make you better being in the exact position on the opposite end of the spectrum lmao

[misty wing]

okay I was kinda trolling with that statement, but T95E6 is below the median for tier 10 imo, which automatically makes it below where the "good" tier would be

[hollow notch]

"Clown makes lists like a clown, so therefore I must also make lists like a clown"

[misty wing]

As I said that was a bit of a troll statement

[hollow notch]

Tier 10 is a very well balanced tier
Tanks are barely above or below eachother, and (for the most part anyway) the ones that have a large difference have very low population pools

[misty wing]

But I would define good as being in the top 40%. With that being the case, would you really call the E6 good?

[past fractal]

Emil II has a fun clip but the fact people pen ur turret with premium ammo is sadge

[violet timber]

60TP, IS-7, T-100

[strange thicket]

there will always be exceptions to the rule though

[violet timber]

In general though, those three and the Yoh are the only tanks that really need a nerf

[hollow notch]

if the mm was random and wasn't placing heavies against heavies, that wouldn't be the case

[scarlet kernel]

honestly yeah

[misty wing]

doesn't prove anything

[scarlet kernel]

you said "would you call e6 good" so i answered imo it is

[misty wing]

those screenshots are irrelevant though

and how many tier 10s do you own?

[scarlet kernel]

24 +9 that i havent bought yet or sold

[misty wing]

which heavies do you have besides the E6

[scarlet kernel]

M-VI-YOH,T57, IS-4, IS-7, MK. 6, 50B, E100
sold the Maus, VK 72.01K, FV215B, Kranvagn
(might add, i got the 60TP on my sec acc)

[misty wing]

hm
you like E6 more than chieftain?

granted I would too, the chieftain looks so insanely ugly

[scarlet kernel]

no both are on the same level, and are my fav tanks

[misty wing]

I wish there were more heaviums in the game tbh, the current offerings are pretty underwhelming

[scarlet kernel]

they are adding the type 71....

[misty wing]

not even close to a heavium

[scarlet kernel]

well if not for the current turning rate, i would say it's kinda close

[misty wing]

has too much side armor despite being a modern-style tank, and the front is much stronger than the concept/chieftain/e6/260

I think blitzstars still has the unnerfed stats

[past fractal]

Ngl
Front armor kinda makes sense
Because modern tanks have overpowered frontal armor
Side armor doesnt make sense though I’ll agree on that

[misty wing]

the frontal armor "makes sense", yes, but it takes away some of the heavium-ness that it otherwise would have

[past fractal]

Wait
Then

Its a super heavium

[misty wing]

it received a mobility nerf that's not shown on blitzstars iirc

[blissful osprey]

They are a cupola simp...

[misty wing]

cupolas automatically make a tank look cooler

[past fractal]

ARL V39

[misty wing]

also there's no need to correct, I am indeed a "he" :)

[rigid thunder]

excuse me? The chieftain is extremely attractive

[misty wing]

tank looks sick but sadly it sucks lmao

[misty wing]

lack of PBR + the british sideskirts kills it for me

[blissful osprey]

I mean, it looks okay. I can't really praise it's looks any more than, "it'll do."

[misty wing]

the british sideskirts on the centurions and chieftains look horrendous imo

[past fractal]

Ngl Chieftain Mk 6’s upper plate is actually fairly strong

[rigid thunder]

I'm defintitely biased but the chieftain is one of the sexiest tanks I've ever seen. Also, mods make the tank look even better

[misty wing]

it looks much better without the side skirts

[blissful osprey]

It looks okay. As I said, I can't really say much about it.

[misty wing]

and the turret is slightly too small for my taste, I prefer balloon turrets like the ST-I

[blissful osprey]

Do you just like balloons in general

[misty wing]

nah, I just like larger turrets, maybe because I'd feel much more comfortable in one

[blissful osprey]

What would it be like to be in a very, very, large balloon? They just deposit you in and fill it up. I'd suppose the amount of helium would kill you, however.

[mystic sleet]

Yes, though not toxic(I think), you would still suffocate. All while giggling in a high-pitched voice.

Ok, maybe not giggling.

[violet timber]

Heavium isn't an armor thing, it's a mobility thing. IS-7 and 50B are both heaviums, but have a large armor disparity

[misty wing]

nah, neither of those are heaviums

it refers more to the ability of the tank to flex to either a medium or heavy role as needed. The 50b absolutely cannot tank shots like a heavy due to its horrific armor

[hollow moth]

I mean, the concept of a heavium is the mix of a medium tank and a heavy tank, so they must have a high agility, slightly low weight for their class and actually a bad hull armor also for their class

[strange thicket]

how dare you 😔

[violet timber]

They're both heaviums. A heavium is a heavy tank with good mobility, and both of them are very fast for a heavy

[misty wing]

nah I think that's just your own weird take

[violet timber]

Not really, but okay

[strange thicket]

50b can actually do both heavy and medium playstyle
IS-7 with that armor though? it is a medium hunter but i wouldn't call it a heavium
especially because it doesn't fall in line with the rest of the heaviums.
i don't think mobility is the only defining factor in what makes a heavium

[violet timber]

If the most mobile heavy tank in game, the 50B, isn't a heavium, then the heavium class doesn't exist

[misty wing]

unless I'm missing something, the term "heavium" implies that the tank in question is a hybrid between a conventional heavy (like say a maus) and a medium (like a T-62A). The "heavium" can thus perform both roles to a moderate degree of success, but not as well as its full-blooded counterpart

IS-7 is just a fast, strong heavy really.

[strange thicket]

well E50M is a heavium, and can absolutely shred any medium.
but the 50b is definitely within the heavium criteria
you might have something against that because of the autoloader but i think the autoloader and the mobility are exactly what makes it a heavium in this case
you can play medium route or heavy route extremely well, and the armor isn't anything special which is just more to add into why it is a heavium

[misty wing]

I cannot count how many games I've lost because all our heavy slots were taken up by 50bs and T57s who can't tank shots the way we need heavies to

[strange thicket]

player issue really

[misty wing]

50b's role is closer to a close support TD than anything really

[strange thicket]

mm, not quite a TD

[blissful osprey]

The T57 would play that way as well, then.

[misty wing]

The way I see it, heavium should be the most flexible and versatile class in the game, and 50B really isn't like that with the poor armor and autoloader
and yes, 57 plays the same role as the 50b most of the time

[violet timber]

The medium should be the most flexible, as it is the "jack of all trades" class. Fast enough to get around, decent guns, and enough armor to bounce if you know how to play

[misty wing]

except most mediums are pretty much paper to players who know how to aim or shoot pramo. The E50M is the most flexible of the mediums, and it is a "heavium" by most standards

or is it a "meavy" 🤔

[violet timber]

There's also the M48 and T-62A, which are in general tanks with decent mobility, good guns, and decent armor

[strange thicket]

what i can deduce from this is heavium is a really really loose term

[misty wing]

T95E6 is probably the best example of a heavium within the heavy class, tbh. It perfectly bridges the gap between heavy and medium with its mobility and armor, while retaining the hitpoints and pen of a heavy

and even then, the hitpoints and alpha are also on the low side for a heavy, so it all works out

[blissful osprey]

Probably the loosest thing to ever exist aside from baggy shorts.

[violet timber]

Chief, T95E6, and Concept are some very good examples of a heavium

[misty wing]

and along with the 260 and E50M, are the only heaviums at tier 10, at least imo

[hard cedar]

@fickle marsh what's your opinion on this conversation ?!

[violet timber]

I'd add in 113, 50B, and IS-7

[rigid thunder]

what about the 5A tho

[strange thicket]

yup
evidence ^

[misty wing]

I guess you can kinda count the 50b if you make the argument that it sits between the yoh and TVP in terms of armor and mobility

[violet timber]

Oh yeah, that exists

[misty wing]

but autoloaders make the argument very finnicky because none of them play like their traditional class

[strange thicket]

isn't the 5A just a really underwhelming IS7

[violet timber]

Yes, yes it is

[fickle marsh]

god tier procrastinators should be doing chinese mock exams rn.

[fickle marsh]

lol what e50m is just a fat medium

[misty wing]

5A needs like 200 more DPM and 340 heat pen

[misty wing]

lol what do you live in 2016?
E50M is the best medium and the most armored by far

[rigid thunder]

Basically yes, at least it gets 7 degrees of gun dep

[hollow moth]

Heaviums aren't only mobile. IS-8 is a heavium, T110E5 isn't. Heaviums lack of a useful hull armor and sometimes get a decent turret instead.

[misty wing]

5A is a rich man's and a poor man's IS-7 at the same time

[hollow moth]

Best medium for casual battles nowadays.

[blissful osprey]

The E5, actually, is, according to WeeGee's wiki, a "pocket heavy." Honestly, I don't know what that's supposed to mean, but it sounds eerily close to the E5.

[violet timber]

E5 isn't a heavium because of it's lack of top speed. If it had up to 40kph, I'd consider it a heavium

[misty wing]

it was supposed to be, before they removed the cupola and took it that direction

[hollow moth]

It have a god damn mobility, nice acceleration and even the OP mobility consumable. Are you drunk or what?

[misty wing]

E5's mobility is not that good, and the turret traverse also hinders it

[hard cedar]

hey he won BLIT CUP you have to listen to his opinion lol

[violet timber]

37 kph top speed is a problem

[misty wing]

that isn't quite how it works, but ok

[strange thicket]

ok 👍

[hollow moth]

Well, considering that it's a heavy, which it is, that's surely nice.

[misty wing]

I don't care how good of a player you are, "E50M is just a fat med" is an awful take and borderline trolling

[strange thicket]

reminds me of "FV4202 is just a slower Vickers"

[hard cedar]

yeah @fickle marsh stop trolling 😂 😂

[hollow moth]

Well, that's my average speed on Panzer IV S, That's surely not a problem for something with that much armor

[violet timber]

The pz IVS can get up to 44 kph, it's fine

[misty wing]

IS-4 is just an IS-7 with a lesser number

[hollow moth]

On good terrain? Yeah, surely.

[violet timber]

Same thing goes for the E5

[hollow moth]

IS-4 is just a worse IS-7*

[hollow moth]

Just until you press a simple key and overcome your old max speed.

[misty wing]

for 20 seconds, while giving up a slot for adrenaline or a repair kit

[violet timber]

Still doesn't have the ability of a heavium. It can chase down meds for 20 seconds, then it's back to normal heavy speeds

[hollow moth]

Well, Every pro has its cons. There's no free meal, my fellow NA player.

[misty wing]

that's the thing, it's not a pro if there are drawbacks associated with it

[violet timber]

The free meal is called the IS-7

[blissful osprey]

I mean, most meds just sorta try to flank you, at least from what I've seen.

[hollow moth]

Depends of the medium.

[violet timber]

You aren't chasing down any meds with 37kph top speed

[hollow moth]

You overestimate the ability of the playerbase to escape from battlefields

[violet timber]

It's not that hard of a concept tbh, just run away from something that's slower than you

[hard cedar]

wow!

[hollow moth]

That's also not a hard concept to simply don't keep exposed, but the experience says that some T10 players aren't capable of playing safe.

[violet timber]

The E5 is great at holding a ridge line, and... that's about it. It's not a heavium, it just doesn't have the mobility to be one

[blissful osprey]

It really ought to get a DPM and turret traverse buff.

[hollow moth]

Overall, you don't need an extreme speed to chase a medium. Probably 20 seconds is even more than enough if the enemy is the average ASIA player newbie

[strange thicket]

running away is not that big brained of a tactic
you can mess up pretty badly and get caught in crossfire
You have to have the foresight to know if you should run away or hold

[hollow moth]

The average blitz player can fail in every tactic, regardless of being difficult or not.

[blissful osprey]

I suppose it's less of a heavium and more of a plug-in. It has decent armor, but the potential mobility to fill in spots where a certain part flank is falling. The heavium can do that as well, but with great efficiency while trading that for armor (unless you're an IS-7, but that thing is usually an exception to most things nowadays).

[strange thicket]

ye that is what i am saying

[mystic topaz]

Which is the most depressed tank in tier 10?
So much depression enough to beat a average quiet Emo kid in highschool

[misty wing]

Ummm

[thorny smelt]

Sturer Emil

[misty wing]

there should be a tank with an autoloader with only one shell in the clip, like PC's old IS-3A

[fallow compass]

How that works

[fallow compass]

Which better top e100 75 crew or obj 268 top max crew

Srsly no one

[rigid thunder]

you've waited only like 8 minutes my guy

[misty wing]

What kind of question is that

Probably 268

[past fractal]

Do u guys know anyone who uses E 100’s 12.8 cm gun?

[misty wing]

Maus and all the tier 9 German heavies

[past fractal]

No I mean
Do u guys know any player who uses and mains E 100’s 12.8 cm?

[misty wing]

Only on PC

[scarlet kernel]

I DID IT AGAIN!!
I swear i just bought the tank today

[nimble topaz]

bruh

[livid moss]

60TP Lewandowskigo vs Vickers light

Who would win

Correct answer gets 10,000,000 gold after 2 months

[misty wing]

why are you even playing that tank 💀

I frankly can't stand the thing

[silk tide]

Very cool to use an OP tank (compared to VK 100), what gives?

[spark basin]

you are clowning if you think vk 168 is better than vk 100

[silk tide]

In what aspects is it worse? certainly not armour.

[misty wing]

armor

[spark basin]

the armour is definitely worse, its riddled with weakspots

[silk tide]

And the VK 100 not as much? 😅

[spark basin]

by a very noticeable amount, yeah

[misty wing]

yeah, vk is smaller and harder to pen

[silk tide]

This is a Mauschen with little nerfs..

[misty wing]

a lot of nerfs*

[spark basin]

lmao

[silk tide]

Guess I have bad memory? 😅
It was much better in Gravity force mode with the higher crush damage for one.

[misty wing]

well yeah, it's known for being good only in gravity

[spark basin]

superheavies are good in gravity, not as much now since thruster exists with a ridiculously short cooldown, but hey you can ram other heavies

[silk tide]

Poor IS 3 players who think they have a chance. 😉

[misty wing]

they do, in normal modes

[silk tide]

Yes but not in gravity just like most not super heavies.

[misty wing]

ok but gravity is irrelevant

[violet timber]

That 20 seconds is great, any time after those 20 seconds is not great

[hollow moth]

If you maintained yourself near the medium tank for at least 27 seconds, which isn't hard with the 20 seconds boost; you already shot this medium at least 3 times during this chase and removed almost 3/4s of its HP. T110E5 is capable of chasing mediums.

[violet timber]

Capable for 20 seconds. Then you’re back to a heavy.

[hollow moth]

The day you meet one of those tryharders on IS-3, you'll see who doesn't actually have a chance

[hollow moth]

It's not like mediums will be going from 0 to 50km/h in 7 seconds. The T110E5 will still have it's full speed due to the boosters. You're capable of doing it for a few more than 20 seconds, enough time to take 3/4s of the enemy HP

So yeah, chasing a brick E50M won't be that hard
Won't be hard at all

[violet timber]

Great, but at what cost? You have to go out in to open to do that, meaning your hull is exposed.

[hollow moth]

That's the downside of chasing at all. We were arguing about if T110E5 can chase mediums with it's speed, not if it'd expose its hull.

[violet timber]

It can chase meds for 20 seconds. Then it’s left in the dust quite easily

[hollow moth]

.

[violet timber]

It’s normal p/w is not enough to maintain its top speed

[hollow moth]

After the booster? Well, it is for a good amount of time. Do you have T110E5?

[violet timber]

I do, it was my first tier 10. And I know that you can use the booster to chase meds, then you have to get back to a hill because you can’t keep up the chase

[hollow moth]

And by the way, the E5 acceleration is actually very good for a heavy tank, you'd be surprised about how you can even play as a slow medium tank and do well.

[violet timber]

I wouldn’t be surprised, I’ve played the tank a ton. It’s nice for a heavy, but is blown away by a medium

[hollow moth]

If I considere chase an enemy, I wouldn't go back. I would never chase something if I wasn't sure about my safety.

[violet timber]

Well then you’re never chasing a med till the end of the game, so this argument is pointless

[thick trout]

It can reach its top speed without the booster, no equipment or provisions in around 150m, it's plenty enough to keep it at its top speed

[violet timber]

150m is a long time to take to get to that top speed, especially when meds are passing it in seconds

[hollow moth]

OR it's a medium tank that went on the wrong side on the wrong time, which means it's alone and half of the map away from its allies.
Would you ever chase something if you wasn't sure about your own safety?

[hollow moth]

That's 150 meters WITHOUT the booster. It maintains the max speed after the booster (the normal max speed)

[violet timber]

That’s great, but meds do it quicker

[thick trout]

._. that wasn't your point at all

[hollow moth]

Well, I'm not sure if a medium can run away from something that remains with the max speed going straight forward them in only a few seconds. We are talking about chases, not about who accelerates quicker.

[violet timber]

My point is that E5 isn’t fast enough to chase meds like a heavium

[thick trout]

In general if a med wants to run, it can run from a heavy no matter what tank it is. The E5 with the speed boost available is probably one of the best tanks to chase it down, and without the boost it's just average.

[hollow moth]

Well, I guess it answers our problem

[thick trout]

Heaviums aren't there to keep up with meds, they are there to pressure them. The heavy will obviously lose in any long distance race, but they have the short term acceleration and an adequateish top speed to pounce on the med and hurt them, either finishing off a kill or pushing them out of position and forcing them to run. Thinking a bit more, the 50b is probably a lot better than the E5 for this because of the clip and mobility combo. The E5 fills a bit of a different spot in the game being able to hold and have the pen and alpha to hit heavies frontally, as well as decent mobility

[paper wasp]

Does someone know what the highest dpm tank in the game is? 😊

[hard cedar]

Su 122 54 or whatever the T9 in the obj 263 line is

[paper wasp]

Thank you. It seems worth the grind :-)

[odd cove]

leopard 1

[keen garnet]

It's not

[misty wing]

SU-122-54

[paper wasp]

Over 4k DPM is cracked o.O

[misty wing]

Grille has the highest HE dpm

[hard cedar]

Grille also has pretty crap he pen!

[hollow notch]

20 seconds is enough to get 1/3 or more of the way across the map

The meds can only run so far

[hollow notch]

Now imagine that dpm at tier 8 with more alpha, a turret, more module damage, 10° of gun depression, and on a fast medium chassis

old charioteer

[blissful osprey]

^^^

[true ravine]

Hey uhh so you guys are talking about t110e5 actually the t110e5 have freind yup the amx 50 b can be easily destroyed by an he with high caliber gun ( i.e E100,jgpz,fv215b 183,Foch 155, t110E3 and others)

[hard cedar]

??

[graceful iris]

???

[kindred wren]

Exactly what I thought

[misty wing]

????

[violet timber]

Took the words right out of my mouth

[keen star]

Soooo best tank to grind? New player here.

[violet timber]

IS-7 or 60TP

[blissful osprey]

Smh get better at the tank. The 50B is definitely not hawt garbage, unlike the E5 which cannot access slopes as easily, relocate as fast, nor deal a large amount of damage. The only thing the 50B loses out to the E5 is looks, but it’s a close loss, and I’m sure PBR would fix that right up. So what if it can be HE-ed? What are you doing, driving rear-end in? I suggest you keep quiet, unless your insight is actually good. Otherwise, be a good little player and ask the occasional question from time to time, okay?

[blissful osprey]

I mean, if they suck at HTs, there’s going to be a problem. Might as well add the 62A, the M48, I guess the E50M, and, God forbid I say this, the T-100LT.

[violet timber]

It’s basically impossible to suck at HTs. They’ve been so noob proofed that you literally just have to go forward and shoot

[blissful osprey]

I mean, sure, but you never know. Maybe they just don’t do well with anything that can’t go past 50 kph. That being said the M48 can’t really go any faster than 50…

[violet timber]

The thing is that you have to consider lines as well. Both the IS-7 and 60TP have relatively easy lines, just hull down and you win

[mystic sleet]

Laughs in Fv215b

[past fractal]

Conqueror: Pathetic

[blissful osprey]

Sure, I guess.

[acoustic galleon]

I won't call the IS-7 line easy to grind.

The IS is a very avarage tank.
The IS-3 is powercreeped to hell.
The IS-8 will be difficult for new players.

[violet timber]

IS-3 is just hull down. IS-8 is just hull down. IS is easy because you have big alpha for the tier

[misty wing]

new/bad players only go town so they can't hull down even if they wanted to

[thorny smelt]

IS-7 is the biggest reward

[blissful osprey]

Well, the IS is crap, the IS-3 is meh, but the IS-8 shouldn’t be that hard. Arguably has a better 400 alpha gun than the M58, but without the M103’s unreliable (for both you and the opponent) turret armor. The only thing it lacks is more gun depression, but I’m sure 7 degrees is enough.

[thorny smelt]

I find 7 degrees to be a little anemic. 8 degrees is average

[strange thicket]

7 degrees is more than enough

[thorny smelt]

I guess my gun depression standards are a little high

[neon stratus]

Strv m/42 is very new to me and I don't know how to play it yet

[strange thicket]

too high actually

[misty wing]

doesn't IS-8 have 5 degrees of gun dep though

as for gun dep, <5 is awful, 5-6 is bad, 7 is average, 8-9 is good, 10-12 is great, 13+ is amazing

[blissful osprey]

I though it had 7

Edit: It has 5 -_-

[misty wing]

no lmao, why would it have 7 with the tiny turret it has

you probably had some misconceptions because of the 5A and T-62A having 7

[thorny smelt]

This means Sturer Emil has an amazing gun depression

[misty wing]

I'm sure 5A has 7 because WG wanted it to have a meaningful upgrade over the 111 1-4, and the 62A has 7 because the blitz devs are stupid and made the most illogical buff imaginable

[neon stratus]

Strv m/42 is a tank I have no idea how to play...

[blissful osprey]

Yeah, probably.

[strange thicket]

6 is not bad
it is plenty fine on obj 140?
5 is bad
6-7 average

i think it is over exaggerated anyway, i can work ridges plenty fine in the wz-121 and the obj140
it is only really a problem when your tank is tall as heck

[misty wing]

I'm not saying 6 is bad or hard to use in practice, it's just "bad" in the sense that it's below median nowadays

[strange thicket]

eh fair enough

[silent widget]

What do you guys think about this tank? Worth getting?

[acoustic galleon]

Wait for the next BP and get the TOG.

[blissful osprey]

You uh...

get an M10 with 90mm alpha, but most of the gun stats are "meh," if not bad, and you get a pretty slow carriage for said gun (I mean, irl, the tank destroyer would've been a decent vehicle because it went fast enough, but not in-game). The stats for it popped up once, then got buried over the swarm of messages here, so I'm most probably wrong.

[misty wing]

isn't the charles 160 alpha

[blissful osprey]

No, I thought it said 200 alpha.

[misty wing]

oh
interesting
that's not 90mm alpha though

[blissful osprey]

Er, well, somewhere around that range. My memory is hella scuffed rn. I wouldn't be surprised, because no one wants such an apparent M10 reskin. It had like 2000-ish DPM, I think.

[misty wing]

I want it really badly

[blissful osprey]

Well, it's your wants, not anyone else's. You do you, or something.

[misty wing]

well don't just assume that no one wants it

[blissful osprey]

It's a bit of a generalization.

I would've expected you to realize that, but it's okay, we all make mistakes or see things the wrong way.

[misty wing]

and how did you come to that conclusion? basically no one has talked about it

[blissful osprey]

I doubt most people really want an M10 with 200-ish alpha. That's just what I think.

[acoustic galleon]

Probably the least interesting BP tank NGL.

[blissful osprey]

It looks like an M10 reskin, but with more alpha and pen to keep up at Tier VI. I guess it's less of a reskin like than the Triumphant.

[acoustic galleon]

I don't mind reskins but the tank is bland.

It doesn't have good stats to make it interesting and its camo and aesthetics are too plain.

[blissful osprey]

That's really why I don't think most people would want it. If they did get, most likely it's due to the other awards and this TD stays a Garage Queen.

[silent widget]

The new BP just came out here in APAC region and these are the stats. What @blissful osprey said that the gun is meh, I think he is right on spot. May as well stick with hellcat or jackson 🙂

[acoustic galleon]

The Jackson battlepass was great, it had the minigun attachment and the force field effect.

[silent widget]

the gun depression is -5 whereas the hellcat and jackson has -10

[blissful osprey]

It was a based off the Hellcat iirc tho

[acoustic galleon]

It had trollish armor so I assumed it was the Jackson.

[acoustic galleon]

Only 5!? Yeah thats gonna be a big no.

[blissful osprey]

It looks a lot like the M18 tho. The M36 doesn't look that squat.

[silent widget]

Only -5

[blissful osprey]

@misty wing I got it right. It's 200 alpha hahahahahaaha.

Yeah, but it's not looking good for our M10 reskin.

[misty wing]

it looks cool and has a cool name
therefore worth it

[blissful osprey]

Not for most of the community, I bet.

[misty wing]

who even buys battlepasses for the tanks though

[blissful osprey]

Uhhh....

Um.....

Me...?

I bought the Agent pass because of the Agent...

[misty wing]

the reward tanks have consistently been awful while the battlepass has still been worth it overall

[past fractal]

Youtubers

[misty wing]

I buy battlepasses for the resources
I don't even look at the tanks

[past fractal]

The first battlepass resources are really worth it though
I think I remember premium time, credits and smth else
When it progresses further it gets longer to get rewards

[blissful osprey]

But now you are looking at the Charles. Hm...

[misty wing]

I didn't even know it was a battlepass tank lol, I would buy it if it were in crates

[acoustic galleon]

The Barkhan has better stats than Charles...

[blissful osprey]

Dear God.

[past fractal]

Charles is a weird name for a tank aa

[misty wing]

but name is the most important thing
that's why Bulwark is the best camo

Barkhan is an awful name

[acoustic galleon]

225 alpha and 6* of gun depression.

Plus it looks really cool with the sand storm effect.

[misty wing]

doesn't barkhan have 220

[acoustic galleon]

My bad, its 220. Still better though.

[past fractal]

German 88 mm guns always seem to have 5 less alpha than standard 90 mm guns

[misty wing]

because 88mm isn't 90mm

just like how 150mm isn't 152mm

[past fractal]

Still a weird detail though

[misty wing]

(looking at you, everyone who says the grille and e100 have a 152mm gun)

[blissful osprey]

Oh. You missed a TF2 reference by just this much (I don't play it tho...). I suppose it wasn't that obvious, however.

But doesn't it look a bit, idk, weird with that turret/hull size ratio.

[acoustic galleon]

I like w i d e tonks :(

[blissful osprey]

Alright, alright.

[acoustic galleon]

So I opened the new missions for the BP and one of those is for the Russian LTs, even though I don't have any in the garage.
I thought Wargaming said you only get missions for the tanks you currently have?

[blissful osprey]

I don't know, I never really cared for the BP. Maybe ask Frost or acrisis.

[strange thicket]

The arl reskin was alr albeit a weaker gun
Agent is also pretty good. Thunder is good too

[misty wing]

they'll all awful because tier 6 is awful :P

[past fractal]

Because of 5.5

[blissful osprey]

Every time I looked at that ARL's stats, the gun looked like the 90mm and the 105mm mixed in one.

[strange thicket]

Fair enough 😂

[blissful osprey]

How would any of you play the T57 on Dead Rail?

[misty wing]

I usually go town or top heavy side near the town

[blissful osprey]

Hmmm. I'll keep that in mind.

[misty wing]

going med side is too slow if you spawn heavy side, because of all the hills you have to climb
I suppose it can be viable in certain matchups if you spawn med side for whatever reason
camping is obviously a no go

going bottom heavy side is decent as well as long as you have some other heavies with you

[blissful osprey]

Well, knowing most HT players I have little reason to trust them. But sure, they might be there.

[misty wing]

there just needs to be someone spotted with you, to deter the enemies from yoloing you while you reload

[cold jackal]

Yep should've named it De Gaulle.

[exotic fog]

@misty wing ... don't post that here

Well, you may not care, but there's a little list of rules, and we like to keep things nice and on track @misty wing

Well, ... don't repeat it, be mindful of rules 🙂

Back to vehicles

[blissful osprey]

Uh...

Give me a second.

Ah yes, here we go.

"Buff the T34."

[misty wing]

Give more tanks PBR

[blissful osprey]

Er, revert the IS-7's PBR.

[misty wing]

No, it looks better with it

[spark basin]

i dont understand why the is 7 with pbr gets a armour change but not any other tank with pbr

[misty wing]

T57 had an armor change, 183 too

FV didn't exactly become curvier, it just got a taller turret

[blissful osprey]

Well, there was the FV becoming curvier, ig.

[misty wing]

Chickenman moment

[spark basin]

oh oops, still its random whether wg bothers to change the armor or just leave the armor with pbr

[keen garnet]

Guess Wargaming thought it needed a buff and an Armor buff combined with a PBR remodel gave them the right opportunity to do it

[misty wing]

It's not random, it's pretty good decision making. If they want to rebalance a tank, it's more cohesive to do it along with a graphics revamp

[spark basin]

👍

[misty wing]

Better to do it in one update than be like "oh yeah, we changed this tank's graphics last month, but now we want to buff it"

[remote sentinel]

is Panther is a fun MT tank to play ?

[acoustic galleon]

Depends on if you like the playstyle.
I'm not a huge fan of 170 alpha at tier 7.

[thorny smelt]

It's anti-Smasher and anti-Annihilator

[ornate coral]

160*

[past crane]

If you like ramming and having good pen, and do not mind low alpha.
You can use the 8.8cm, but just know that you need to play at a closer range as you have lower pen

[hollow notch]

A giant 2 shot isn't really a good counter

[remote sentinel]

Idm low alpha, i like good pen and have steel armor

[solid gate]

Best thing in this game is dont even need to move while all the bots are running in to face.

[violet timber]

Me for the Thunder

[hollow notch]

Same lmao

[copper swan]

Me

[thorny smelt]

Me

[copper swan]

now go buy license, all of you

[faint walrus]

is the grille line one of the best tank destroyers?

[lyric oriole]

Starts out kinda bad

I'd say overall the Obj. 268 tanks are the best TDs

But the RHM, WT Auf, and Grille are all strong

[past fractal]

Sturer Emil and Nashorn start very weirdly…. don’t get offended any ST Emil lovers, its unforgiving and hard to play

[oak pollen]

License is trash for me because premium pass also get gold vault and more reward

[thorny smelt]

Well it is based on VK 30.01 H so expect it to be sluggish

[jaunty shell]

Buff the durability of the Chieftain Mk 6 ammo rack. No joke, 75% of the time when you got shot in the tank the ammo rack gets damaged, thus negating one of the very few strengths the tank has

[plucky summit]

Considering it's 260 HP, I find it rather fine

It helps not to get shot. In fact, I'm gonna go make a spreadsheet of ammo rack durabilities in tier 10

[lyric copper]

all of the ammo is located in the hull.

if youre getting shot there, might not be the tank's fault youre getting ammoracked

[lyric copper]

btw, if youre using armour inspector to see module HP, switch to PC WoT to view, the module HP is the same

except for the VL and Ho-Ri, every tier X here is in PC

[plucky summit]

I'll use PC for tanks that are stingy

[lyric copper]

use VK75 for the VK90's modules

actually not, WG doesnt seem to provide module HP for that either

280 seems to be the standard for the german tier X heavies

[plucky summit]

Here it is, HP? = PC
? = unknown

[low flax]

Why obj 268 has HEAT as a prem ammo?
Tank is clearly made for playing frontline or second line.
Long range = not hit by any means but for some reason its using HEAT

why?

[plucky summit]

Because it has HEAT in PC ._.

Also the HEAT penetration is excellent, so you won't rely on normalization like other tanks do

[spark basin]

what consumables and provisions should you use for the fv4005

[plucky summit]

Depends how you plan to play it, but definitely bring spall liner and restoration kit

[spark basin]

this okay? or is it too risky

[plucky summit]

You plan to play aggressive? That's alright

[low flax]

i would rather apcr, or ap instead of heat.

since every update wg brings new spaced armor monsters its quite annoying.

[plucky summit]

Yeah of course, AP > APCR > HEAT

But also spaced armor isn't present on Kpf 50 t 🤨
752 has them on the sides but you would expect that from a Russian boi

[keen garnet]

Sounds pretty good, although I'd run VStabs

[acoustic galleon]

Why can't I comment?
Whenever I try to comment on HEAT it disappears.

[plucky summit]

DM it to me, it's auto-modding a word in it, or too many caps, either or

[spark basin]

👍

[low flax]

well it doesnt mean they cant bring.

also penetrating through track wheels or having a bounce from capolas because they have visors is bad too.
i understand what you meant, but heat with this tank it just doesnt fit tanks role.

[plucky summit]

But you have a lot of options to shoot that isn't spaced armor with so much HEAT pen 😂

[acoustic galleon]

HEAT is better than APCR imo.
Especially if you play frontline.

[lyric copper]

C1B, M6Y and T95E6 most likely have ~260 HP, just like the 57 and E5
As I said, the VK90 is most likely to have a 280 HP rack, similar to the other 3 tier X heavies
T22 is also likely to have 210 HP
other than that, Ho-Ri and VL should be the only ones we don't know

[plucky summit]

Ri would be 260, VL would also be 260
Nationality guesses 🗿

[lyric copper]

most likely yeah

might wanna add those in coloured in red or some other colour to denote that its an estimate

[low flax]

how?
Heat is simply worse at close range against fast tanks

am i missing a point, why its better?

[acoustic galleon]

HEAT is generally slower than APCR so you can miss shots at longer ranges.

HEAT is better because it generally has better pen, allowing you to brute force heavy armor.

[lyric copper]

why shoot at the side of an E50M with HEAT LMAO

[plucky summit]

Yeah honestly once you have a tank's side, you don't even need HEAT

[low flax]

its just example

[keen garnet]

Spaced Armor doesn't completely stop HEAT, nor do tracks

You can still go through, however with the penetration of those rounds is reduced

HEAT has higher penetration and sides have armor that is even penetrable with AP so it's extremely unlikely that you'll fail to penetrate with HEAT unless you're a 105mm shooting an E100 side skirt

[lyric copper]

a bad one for that

[plucky summit]

Also brute force wins, sorry

[keen garnet]

^

AP is already enough for a side, load HEAT and you're going to go through irrespective if you hit the tracks

[low flax]

i though it completely stops heat. makes sense noww

[blissful osprey]

Please do I could use them...

[plucky summit]

It's up there my guy

[blissful osprey]

Awesome, thanks a lot.

[plucky summit]

👍

[spark basin]

i was concerned that the 4005's modules would be easy to take out with HE since last time i ran reticle calibration and adrenaline on my waffle i lost a module every time i got slapped but wow, the modules are very resilient

[blissful osprey]

E5 has 260 rack HP....

[dusty copper]

Is the LTG good? Also how should I play it

[plucky summit]

The racks are everywhere, that’s why you get rack damage a lot

[hollow moth]

Because of a few factors:

• HEAT does not ricochet
• HEAT doesn't care about your brute armor, it'll go through
• CS improves even more HEAT shells
• Most of the time, when compared to a gold APCR with the same calibers, HEAT use to have more penetration

[hollow moth]

I don't really have an idea, I have no intention to try soviet lights

[plucky summit]

HEAT does actually rico past 85, no?

[blissful osprey]

It does. It's a pretty neat round imo. Also the look of it penning something looks nice.

[hollow moth]

Well, on WOT it does, in wotb I've done several discussions about it so I honestly have no idea

[manic carbon]

I believe that’s pc, but not blitz

[plucky summit]

I shall run a simulation

[blissful osprey]

If it isn't, it should be. I doubt they would change it up like that, tho.

[keen garnet]

HEAT just gets a non-pen on 85 and above
Doesn't ricochet in Blitz

[plucky summit]

Ah, so effectively a rico (but worse)

[keen garnet]

For the most part yeah

[plucky summit]

Huh?

[blissful osprey]

Eh, nvm what I'm said, probably wrong.

[plucky summit]

I have no idea where 14 even comes from, not even 15

Actually, according to wotsinpector tests, HEAT never fails, effectiveness is always calculated

[dusty copper]

Why not

[blissful osprey]

My reasoning is that most rounds richochet at around 70 degrees iirc. Since HEAT doesn't rico at 70, you theoretically, could have some help with penning sidescraping opponents. It sounds stupid in retrospect.

[plucky summit]

AP and APCR rico

But that's 20 degrees to work with

[blissful osprey]

Hm?

[plucky summit]

And you have a point, people can use HEAT to bypass thin sidescrapers, but when it's thin enough, AP and APCR can abuse 3CR bypassing or even 3CR itself

The image isn't relevant to the text lol, just showing that HEAT always attempts a penetration

[blissful osprey]

Hm, okay.

I only have one HE round mounted on my Hellcat... 36 round ammo capacity is pain

[plucky summit]

I'd take 4, at least

[blissful osprey]

Yeah, I literally just did that

[plucky summit]

So yeah, HEAT never auto-fails

[blissful osprey]

Dear God is that a UC 2 pdr I see?

[plucky summit]

Yes, ik the hitbox extends too far

[blissful osprey]

Poor UC can't catch a break.

[kindred wren]

I bet it‘s for the same reason why the Grille has a turret hitbox thrice the size of its turret

[plucky summit]

Yeah, they include the crew and gun breech

[blissful osprey]

Cool. All the easier for me to HE them.

[plucky summit]

Ah, crew is even outside of the hitbox

[hollow moth]

I mean, the Grille itself seems to have its loader almost outside the vehicle

[blissful osprey]

Isn't it designed as just a carriage to move an artillery pice around, according to WeeGee?

[radiant coral]

the Loader runs after them to stay fit 🏃‍♂️

that’s my theory

[hollow moth]

Well, there's some seats on the back lf the turret for a reason

[kindred wren]

Generally with those artillery pieces you shoot a lot more than you can carry, and working the gun in an open environment is a lot easier than in a closed space

[hard cedar]

Thanks for the insight Lux!

[kindred wren]

So what you usually do is (after you fire the first shell with a long leash and everybody outside the vehicle) leave the gunner and commander (and, if it applies, the radioman) in the vehicle for communication and aiming at positions while the loaders and crew of the supply trucks are outside/ right behind the gun where they can service it either through a large door or some ammo collecting system