vehicles-discussion

[wise moth]

I mean, it's basically plays like your standard hulldown heavy at tier 8, although the HP + speed boost does let you swing out and push with just the sheer amount of survivability

If you're looking for a pub stomper though, Pershing.... that thing is unbelievable... Shreds through enemies like a hot knife through butter. Enough turret armor to bully enemy meds from hulldowns, 268 APCR gold pen to melt through any heavy you come across, and of course best in class DPM, -10 degrees gun depression, and best in class gun handling

[plucky summit]

AMX CDC:

[wise moth]

Pershing just makes pretty much every 90mm armed tier 8 med totally obsolete. It's crazy

[graceful iris]

im assuming it can't play with tiger's playstyle so.. ill probably have to practice a lot before im ready for tours with T32. its nothing like t8 heavies i played before. tiger (already mastered playstyle, my fav tank), IS-3 and IS-5 (hulldown heavy too but still way different from what i see), E75 TS (maybe this can play similar?) and WZ-112-2 (maybe this can play similar too?)

[graceful iris]

its basically eagle 7 but better tier to tier. right?

[wise moth]

No, it's nothing like Eagle 7.

It's more like the M48, but at tier 8. Similar mobility, and decent turret, but with buzzsaw DPM

[graceful iris]

Alright. I can play m60 on friend's acc and that's pretty much same as m48 so i can train a bit in advance lol

[plucky summit]

Did it

[wise moth]

One thing that I like about the M26 though compared with M48/60 is that the turret is super far forwards, making peeking corners much more comfortable

[graceful iris]

Yup a lot of american tanks have that. Though it feels kinda weird playing them. Just like rear turreted tanks

[graceful iris]

Epic. Ngl turret armor seems very impressive from last one

[wise moth]

I mean the mantlet is like 700mm or some nonsense iirc

[graceful iris]

It's about 300mm actually. T34 prammo can pen it

[wise moth]

They must've changed it then. Also, I'm not sure if I'd trust that figure. A lot of tier 8 Americans have stealth armor behind the mantlet that doesn't show in blitzhangar or armor inspector. M26 is a good example. Blitzhangar and armor inspector show it to be ~220mm effective, but there's a ~100mm plate behind it in reality, so you need like ~300mm to pen it

[blissful osprey]

My T32 looking extra hawt today

[hollow notch]

For that style of tank, the depression is depressing.

[graceful iris]

Hmmm according to armor inspector there's nothing behind spaced armor

BUT I've seen armor in actual battle, mantlet is fully red with like 270mm pen

[wise moth]

I don't trust the hitskin, but I was having this conversation a while back, so I tested it, and you do indeed need a little more than 300mm of pen to go through

[blissful osprey]

You still can’t pen a T32 mantlet even with T34 APCR. As far as I’m concerned.

[graceful iris]

Yup pershing armor is good. But it just has a lot of weakspots. Pretty much everything around mantlet is a weakspot

[graceful iris]

According to armor inspector it can. But eh, it's not very trusty lol. Personal in game experience is better. I can't say anything cus I don't have neither t32 or t34

[blissful osprey]

Not really. The mantlet takes up a lot of space, and unlike the Super Persh I’m pretty sure it’s “forehead” isn’t very pennable.

As I have had both, I assure you, you won’t be firing T34 prammo at a T32 unless you want to deal with that UFP on a slope (which T34 AP cannot pen reliably, somehow).

[hollow notch]

Without cali (most t34s won't be running) not a chance

[blissful osprey]

I’d think you’re literally insane if you run CS on a T34.

[hollow notch]

How else are you supposed to pen a t32 turret ?
Lol

[blissful osprey]

Idk, ask the dying ISU to try for you lmao

[graceful iris]

Ye most of pershing's turret is mantlet lol. And i don't think you'll see many t34s in tours so yeah, you should be fine

[hollow notch]

I'm still waiting for the t32 dpm buff.
AXs can still full yolo you and come out about equal

[plucky summit]

😂

[graceful iris]

Dpm seems disappointing lmao

[plucky summit]

Idc, it needs the pen reversion

[hollow notch]

Its 15ish/30ish for tier 8 heavies
It needs to be #1

[hollow notch]

How dare you

[plucky summit]

No, shut.

[graceful iris]

Pretty average but when you compare it to other tour tanks it's one of the worst (only 252 has worse dpm among t8 tour tanks.. or am i wrong?)
And nah, tiger needs to be #1

[blissful osprey]

Don’t worry; the turret means all you have to do is hide ur hull and you can control fights that way. The thing is, a tank like the AX can’t utilize it’s dpm as well due to the low alpha. The T32 doesn’t have the best alpha, but since it has so much armor and okay-ish alpha to compensate, it can stay in the fight and actually get something out of that DPM (which needs to be #1)

[hollow notch]

The t32 gun never leaves the fight though.
Tiger gets cheeked
Shark gets hatch/necked
AX gets prammoed
T32 smirks

[graceful iris]

Yea it seems like it'd be useful in tours. Perfect examples of low dpm tour tanks are 252 and kran (even though effective dpm is high)

[graceful iris]

Good point lol

But
252 smirks along t32

[hollow notch]

Nah, that gets hatched
And also misses its shots

[graceful iris]

If you use british sniper rifle gun yes

[blissful osprey]

Yes, this is the T32 against a T32.

[hollow notch]

The 252u hatches are really easy to hit.
The roof ricochets straight into them effectively doubling their size

[blissful osprey]

Like, wtf is this UFP. The T32 has the benefit of having decent aimtime and accuracy. The T34, meanwhile, sees the same thing, but doesn’t have the armor nor the aimtime to go through it without loading prammo

[graceful iris]

I only shoot hatches in facehugs. If 252 is hulldown i just HE. That's the only thing i can do considering my rng sucks for hatch sniping

[hollow notch]

Please stop HE spamming (unless you are on my enemy team)

Just yeet a shell at the base of the hatch

[graceful iris]

Eh I'll try to snipe hatch next time lol

[blissful osprey]

Ah, the 252 bully

[wise moth]

That's one of the reasons I kinda hated playing 252 compared to IS-3. IS-3 never gets penned in the turret. 252 does occasionally, and it's always super annoying when it happens

[blissful osprey]

The 252s kinda deserve it, imo.

[strange ingot]

Yoh is bussin respectfully

[balmy compass]

I thought T32 was broken, why does it need another buff

[mystic sleet]

What another buff

[balmy compass]

Looks like the chat above was talking about a DPM buff

[violet timber]

They were joking

[balmy compass]

You can hardly tell if someone uses sarcasm in this server

[plucky summit]

T32 is clearly OP

Someone suggests a buff

[solid gate]

sup

[balmy compass]

How do you tell if someone is using sarcasm vs if they cant use the tank i.e. “buff Maus cheeks”

[plucky summit]

Because they said a DPM buff, which is probably the least connected stat to skill

[strange thicket]

master of larks occasionally memes about the buffs because wg is keen on buffing the tank for some reason 💀

[blissful osprey]

I’m using sarcasm and being garbage at that tank at the same time hahahaha!

[balmy compass]

Alright then buff the hull turn rate of the Kunze panzer 🙄

[blissful osprey]

No.

[balmy compass]

I was obviously using sarcasm 🙄

[blissful osprey]

No you weren’t……….

[balmy compass]

This server is hopeless……

[plucky summit]

—Complains about sarcasm
—Uses sarcasm
—Fails to recognize sarcastic response

[thorny smelt]

🍿

[strange thicket]

Deep layers of sarcasm and irony, a black hole is a about to be born

[misty wing]

lack of emotes makes sarcasm harder to detect @wargaming

[strange thicket]

💀

[balmy compass]

I dont see using the phrase “No.” especially with the period includes sarcasm, I usually see it as a very serious tone

So at this point how is anyone supposed to know who is being sarcastic and when are are they trying to be sarcastic

[hollow notch]

Most connected stat to abusability

[blissful osprey]

I’m very serious. Very. Most definitely.

[balmy compass]

Yes you are being so incredibly serious right now

[blissful osprey]

Not really, tho that looks delicious. Mind if I take a bite?

[plucky summit]

No thanks, I'm not edible

[hollow notch]

The t32 was a strong tank
Weegee:
Buffs hp pool
Adds superconsumables(more hp pool, mobility, and even more durability from reactive)
Buffs pen

What is left to buff?

[blissful osprey]

The traverse speed…

[plucky summit]

The 25mm tiny turret weakspot

[hollow notch]

Oh. I forgot the upper plate buff
It definitely needed that too

[blissful osprey]

The lower plate. Every one knows real American tanks don’t have any.

[plucky summit]

?

it's on the cupola

[violet timber]

Where boat shaped hull buff?

[balmy compass]

Obviously needs a faster turret traverse rate

[hollow notch]

I forgot to include the hull buff in my list of unneeded t32 buffs

[blissful osprey]

Where’s the auto reloader with 5 second reloads between each shell?

[violet timber]

.5*

[hollow notch]

Hey, it doesn't have pbr yet, don't give me hope for even more broken durability

[balmy compass]

The autoloader should have at least 7 shots

[violet timber]

T32E2 with boat shaped hull time

[hollow notch]

Nah, that's a bit too far
6 is plenty

[blissful osprey]

😳

[violet timber]

What if they turn it into a T32E1 just to get rid of the machine gun port weakspot

[plucky summit]

That won't change much at all

[balmy compass]

They could put the machine gun into the cupola instead 😂

[blissful osprey]

Needs to have two barrels for extra double shot madness.

@violet timber They need to… or I will be sad.

[violet timber]

No, it'd just make it a bit stronger for no reason

[plucky summit]

Yes, but it'd still not change much at all

[violet timber]

It would just be more aesthetically pleasing to me

[balmy compass]

Imagine WG made the back of the tank angled like a IS tank

[plucky summit]

Don't make me

[balmy compass]

Different topic but how much was the T34 (1776) sold for last year during the 4th event thing, I don’t remember

[misty wing]

@blissful osprey it's probably not within my right to say it, but you should probably change your joke/sarcastic style. It's super hard to read at times

[balmy compass]

Internet moment

[misty wing]

maybe just include less periods lol

[plucky summit]

Nah just say it along with this image. Every. Time.

[blissful osprey]

I think it was 5.5k-8.5k gold. I wouldn’t remember, but that 4th of July is where I got it from.

@misty wing Perhaps more exclamation marks!!!!!!!

[balmy compass]

Do you guys think T34 is good?

[misty wing]

average

[balmy compass]

Is the upper frontal plate effective when angled, or is it still penetrable

[misty wing]

@plucky summit black prince hull with FV201 (A45) turret and conqueror gun

[misty wing]

easily pennable no matter what

[balmy compass]

I guess its a large peek-a-boom tank then

[misty wing]

it's a hull down tank

[primal blade]

hulldown sidescrape

[blissful osprey]

Pennable to literally everything that isn’t an LT. The hull is that sad.

[balmy compass]

I personally find it hard to find a good position outside of a city thats fully hulldown but still able to have enough leeway to shoot without capping my gun depression

[balmy compass]

How do you sidescrape, doesn’t it have less side armor then a Tiger II? Even so if you angle well enough wouldn’t you stick out to far so the enemy could hit your frontal anyway?

[blissful osprey]

You reverse side scrape. It’s more of a desperate attempt to preserve what little HP you have if you find itself forced to fight in a city without any cover. I suggest you try not to assume such positions. Always try to go hulldown.

[balmy compass]

I also generally question if any high tier American tank can sidescrape well

[blissful osprey]

They can if you know what you’re doing.

[balmy compass]

I mostly see American tracks as weak, by tracks I mean side armor

[blissful osprey]

Well, I know it’s the E5, but it’ll do for now.

[plucky summit]

They can if they’re unable to hit the tracks at all or they’re low-caliber

[blissful osprey]

You can sidescrape in an American HT. A TD like the ISU will go through, of course, but for most of them, anything short of a 130 gun won’t pen, so it’s really intermediate caliber guns. It does have to be a really steep angle, however.

[plucky summit]

Really steep to the point where you’re not even sidescraping and you gotta show LFP to fire back

[blissful osprey]

I’m really wishing I get Himmelsdorf rn

[blissful osprey]

Finally…

[vital hare]

is the m48 pattons cupola machine gun penetratable?

[blissful osprey]

It doesn’t have a machine gun cupola anymore?

[vital hare]

wait it doesnt? they removed it? huh weird, because all m48s have mg cupolas

i have finally learned how to play medium and light tanks in tier 6, thank god, its a mix of angling and peeking

[blissful osprey]

Not all of them have MG cupolas?

[vital hare]

k, say is the t62a a good balanced tier 10 as my friend says?

and i never realized that i can do 300 damage bonks with KV1s cannon next to KV2

[plucky summit]

KV-1 can manage a 450 shot if it MANAGES to hit and penetrate a very weak target

[vital hare]

im going to try that out on a weak tier IV if i luckily dont get uptiered

[plucky summit]

You probably shouldn't use the derp cannon at all, it's terrible lol

[vital hare]

yup it does suck, didnt know t34 has a pew pew gun

[blissful osprey]

It’s essentially a very versatile MT. Good dpm, good mobility, meh armor (except for the turret, that thing is quite impenetrable for most tanks), good penetration. It’s so versatile it’d be a potential candidate for broken status by some.

[solid gate]

PLuton 8 eu

[vital hare]

i see so my friend was correct, a great all rounder tank thus balanced

[plucky summit]

When it received 7 degrees it remained the pick for a while, but now it's just good

[blissful osprey]

Ngl you don’t know a lot of things about the tanks in-game.

[vital hare]

man if only they readded the girls und panzer event back like the 3rd movie released last year

[misty wing]

I'm kinda tempted to get the caernarvon

[vital hare]

thats probably because i dont really grind other tanks and just stick to a few, im mainly concentrating on german tanks, though i regret it, wolverine is a pain to grind, it sucks

[blissful osprey]

Basically a weaker AX, which is weak enough for me to not like it. I guess if you really wanted the 215B, you could go for it.

[misty wing]

No I want it for the looks and the DPM

[vital hare]

thats me, but hellcat

[blissful osprey]

Then you could just wait for the AX, I suppose. To me it just looks like a fat Centurion.

[misty wing]

I want it because it looks ugly

[vital hare]

is the tech line with m36 jackson in it good? like technically jackson has more pen because 90mm

[plucky summit]

Caernarvon might actually just be more competitive than A X

[slow kite]

I'm doing the line just for caernarvon

[plucky summit]

Since now it has busted DPM since they made a reload for a 190 alpha but bumped it to 225

[misty wing]

I just got it, gonna run no camo to make it look even uglier

[blissful osprey]

They did? Ugh, WeeGee’s being weird again.

[plucky summit]

3024 DPM

[blissful osprey]

sigh

[plucky summit]

Well, at least it gave Caernarvon a place

[blissful osprey]

I guess.

[thorny smelt]

3K DPM like BP

[blissful osprey]

Can anyone explain to me why people say the 215B is stupidly bad now? It doesn’t seem like it’s been ruined so much in everything except HP.

[plucky summit]

DPM was hit hard, I think like around 400 loss

[misty wing]

also, I want the conqueror but not the fv215b

[keen garnet]

HP, DPM, and the speed boost nerf

Totally uncalled for in 8.2
It was already performing bad and somehow they felt it necessary to nerf it

[blissful osprey]

Didn’t have an XP multiplier, or an XP booster. Just a Premium Account. How?

[keen garnet]

XP multipliers, boosters, or PA don't affect Mastery badge XP
It's dependent on Base XP, which only your gameplay can affect

Quite surprising though

[blissful osprey]

This isn’t even the highest amount of damage I’ve done before.

[misty wing]

I just saw a T32 and shark on my team go town on middlesburg ;-;

[plucky summit]

It's not all damage -_-

[blissful osprey]

Yes, but it wasn’t the highest I ever blocked, spotted or even destroyed. The most memorable thing about this battle is that I started a fire.

[plucky summit]

There's always the XP details :p

[blissful osprey]

…

[blissful osprey]

Pretty much every heavy main goes there. They just have this calling for it.

[misty wing]

caernarvon is kinda fun but I prefer the sheriff tbh

[blissful osprey]

You get 240 alpha in an tank that actually looks good. How would you not prefer it?

[misty wing]

and has a better turret, and isn't so huge

how would yall rank the tech tree tier 9 heavies from best to worst

[blissful osprey]

I wouldn’t since it depends on what I like. Plus, I only have the M103 and the M-V-Yoh.

[plucky summit]

E 75 > M-V-Yoh > 50TP Tyszkiewicza > Emil II > IS-8 > AMX 50 120 > VK 45.02 B > Mauschen > M103 > Conqueror > ST-I > WZ-111 1-4

[keen garnet]

Emil 2 what

[blissful osprey]

Hey, why’s my king at the bottom?

[plucky summit]

They two steps up

[keen garnet]

Would personally put the Emil 2 at the bottom end tbh
But it's an opinion, I'm not going to debate

[misty wing]

how in the world did you remember how to spell Tyszkiewicza

[plucky summit]

I just performed very well in Emil II I guess

And no, I had the list pulled up in case I was gonna miss something

[misty wing]

this tank is insane lmao

[blissful osprey]

How in the world did the 50 120 get up so high?

[plucky summit]

It's a baby 50B, that's an honor

[misty wing]

VK B and mauschen should be above it ngl

[keen garnet]

50 120 is really good
Essentially a 50B at Tier 9

[plucky summit]

I'm making more tank puzzles for the guessing game =>

[misty wing]

but it's slower, armor is completely devoid of any troll (harder to HE though), and also has some depression/elevation issues iirc

[plucky summit]

The clip is still nothing to scoff at, especially with the relatively accurate gun and sufficient DPM

[keen garnet]

Well yeah it's a tier lower so you'd naturally expect the tank characteristics to fall down a bit

[blissful osprey]

I’ve never had trouble with 50 120s the VK, in the other hand…

[plucky summit]

It just sidescrapes, that's all.

[keen garnet]

Because the 50 120 is paper, the VK is not, which makes it much easier for the average player to play

[misty wing]

nah, it's because the 50 120 is bad and the VK isn't

[keen garnet]

Based

[past fractal]

50 120s are fairly rare in my experience. Most of the time they basically die

Well, they arent very well played as well

Even rarer I havent seen any good players in it

I think I did see some

But often times they dont push a lot. Its armor is really easy to pen

[misty wing]

most tanks that supposedly "require skill to play" are pretty bad, because while they do require skill to perform on par with other tanks, they don't necessarily have a higher ceiling

basically, they have the same highs, but lower or more common lows

[past fractal]

Yo im blocking my cameras rn

Simp tryna target me in dms

[misty wing]

???

[past fractal]

Sorry

Theres this dude

In general chat

See it

[plucky summit]

Lol what a nerd

Imagine not slowly becoming a simp like me

[misty wing]

imagine not being a chicken man

[past fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-confusion-gif-10824788

[plucky summit]

I actually function as emotional support on Discord

[blissful osprey]

You don’t do it well, tbh.

[past fractal]

A

[plucky summit]

Well usually people have to vent to me and whatnot to put me in that mode

[misty wing]

what's the most underrated tank

[plucky summit]

I'm really not sure

I'd say T-2020 but I think maybe Luchs has the potential

[past fractal]

T110E4 is an underrated one definitely

So many people bash it because of its capula cupola

[misty wing]

I feel like it's gotta be something that was buffed recently, like the VK A

[past fractal]

Havent seen a lot of VK As, so no comment on tht

[misty wing]

E4 is bad because of the terrible mobility and gun depression, not really the cupola imo

[blissful osprey]

Hmmm.

Pretty sure any one of this could do that. I usually just pay attention to what they have to say.

[past fractal]

Gun depression kinda makes sense in balance and design I think

Its gun is enclosed in a turret in a higher and smaller place than E3, so less space

But I understand

[misty wing]

It's like the same size as the T30's turret, which has 10 degrees

[past fractal]

Maybe this makes sense? 🤔

[misty wing]

So it also has a bigger gun breach than the T30? 🤔

[past fractal]

🤔🤔🤔

[plucky summit]

Well I dunno, people still come to me when they want comforting, so 🤷‍♂️

[blissful osprey]

I sometimes just happen upon it here, mainly because most people in this server don’t care. Was talking about DiscountJack over him feeling the mods were a bit too harsh on words such a “gay” and the pride flag, saying his friends felt uncomfortable and unwanted in the community. The other people’s response? “go do a 1v1 lololololol”

[past fractal]

Since this is tank discussion i wanna talk about this one time my small cousin borrowed and played in my device, and account

I cant help but damn he’s a giant nub ;-;. Luckily it was gravity force. I made him use my E 100 since its very noob friendly

Oh ye made him use super pershing as well. Lost even more brain cell count at that time

[misty wing]

The super Pershing should have 2 health bars, when the first one is depleted the spaced armor falls off and it becomes a normal Pershing

[plucky summit]

Aka it gets a buff when it hits the secondary HP

[past fractal]

Super Pershing Defender lol

[blissful osprey]

But, the armor was welded onto the tank… how exactly does welded armor just “fall off” like that?

[past fractal]

I think when enough force is put into it, it gets dent, and might “fall off” eventually

Thats the closest I can think

[misty wing]

Laughs in GuP T95 outer tracks falling off

[past fractal]

Tell me that that T95 can actually drive without its outer tracks

[misty wing]

It can

[past fractal]

I know irl, it had too much ground pressure to drive without the outer tracks

[misty wing]

it would probably sink into muddy or non-ideal terrain, but on roads it certainly could

[blissful osprey]

Oh, right.

@past fractal It could drive without those extra tracks. The only problem as that the ground pressure was just too much for the tank to drive anywhere but the most advanced of roads, which it arguably might just tear up anyways.

[misty wing]

what is the fakest tech tree tank in the game

[blissful osprey]

Probably the VK 72.01 (K).

[misty wing]

I think the polish, italians, or czech are probably more fake tbh

[blissful osprey]

Then check it out for yourself.

[rigid thunder]

the entire chinese td line is a well known example

[acoustic galleon]

The VK72 is just a rear turreted Löwe proposal, there is a scale model of it. Its just that Wargaming faked the armor thickness and weight to make it a tier 10.

[past fractal]

Probably the gun as well

[thorny smelt]

Yup

[misty wing]

which one is most super, super conqueror, super pershing, super hellcat, or super chaffee

[past fractal]

MS-10

[spark basin]

super conqueror

[spark basin]

nah just because its a better conqueror

[balmy compass]

Imo Super Hellcat

[graceful iris]

Laughs in gup hetzer casually vibin under maus

[strange thicket]

super conqueror

[nova blade]

this looks cursed for some reason .-.

[severe bear]

clearly you’ve never played wot pc

[merry viper]

Is there any way of getting the 40k tanks currently

[lyric copper]

yes

waiting for them to come to the shop

[wise heath]

a question

well I have a vk90 but this vehicle does not have good armor it has almost no protection, I mean I want to sell it but can you tell me if it is a good tank?

[cedar crag]

"Vk90 has no armour" are you sure you are playing correctly?, 'cause is one of the most OP tanks in Tier X

[hollow notch]

Yes
Armor is not good at all

[balmy compass]

Because 300mm of frontal turret armor isn’t enough

[warm urchin]

It's time to nerf the smasher, maybe increase the reload time and decrease the turret armor

[wise heath]

so is it good?

[hollow notch]

It's a monster

[cedar crag]

Yes, you are the bad here xd.

[violet timber]

Take a Maus, give it a better gun, more mobility, and better armor.

[hollow notch]

Better armor*

[wise heath]

No, if I play it well with that vehicle

[cedar crag]

"Maus has better Armor" Get penned with prammo frontally

[violet timber]

I never said maus has better armor

[hollow notch]

Lol
deleted

[violet timber]

I’m saying the VK is a Maus with a better gun, more mobility, and better armor 🤦‍♂️

[wise heath]

yes

[valid gale]

Did they ever fix the 90s impennable cupola

[cedar crag]

When yo are in your 20s your body is not the same

[hollow notch]

Wouldn't want to nerf a premium now would we?

[wise heath]

it is the best than other vehicles

[cedar crag]

If Wg didn't nerf the smasher, you thing that they would nerf it?

[hollow notch]

Nah, they only buffed the smasher and the balancing team is braindead when it comes to balancing so they won't be nerfing it.

[blissful osprey]

You are either trolling, or you’re being very dumb with the tank.

[hollow notch]

E75ts cupola is superior

[cedar crag]

Green team average Winrate: 48%
Red team average WR: 56%

[violet timber]

Cherry picking at its finest

[strange thicket]

problem? :trollge:

[lyric copper]

how large was the sample?

record 100 games, calculate the average winrate for all of those teams you played with and against

[ebon tide]

Hey guys. Is the fv201 worth it?

[cedar crag]

Si

[violet timber]

Not really

[violet timber]

A lot of gold for a meh tank

[ebon tide]

3.5k

[cedar crag]

A centurion T7

[violet timber]

A lot of gold for that. I’d spend at most 2k on it

[ebon tide]

Ite. I wont buy it. Thx

[violet timber]

The Centurion sucks. The 201 is slightly better tier for tier, but still has weak armor, meh mobility, and a meh gun

[cedar crag]

laughs in 300m of spoting

[violet timber]

Laughs in any light tank being better for spotting, but heavy tanks can spot for themselves anyways because the maps are so small

[lyric copper]

you compare the 201 to the BP, not the Cent 1...

and the BP is way better

[cedar crag]

well, that 300m of spoting makes a change when you are alone

[violet timber]

If you want to spot, just play a light tank. Any tier 8 light tank is better than the cent

[violet timber]

I’d compare it to the Caern, but a tier lower. And even then it doesn’t come close to the Caern’s raw power

[safe cedar]

French tds in general need a buff, they as a collective suck.

[blissful osprey]

The problem with the T34 is that no one cares about the fact you’re a hulldown “god” and rush you anyways. Can’t we at least get a small DPM buff? It’s not like we have any other deterrent to stop enemies from approaching us.

[plucky summit]

Teammates ._.

[blissful osprey]

Uh-huh. Like you can rely on them.

[plucky summit]

You can use that same reason to rush a hulldown T32, or T54E2, or a sidescraping 252U

Soooooo your point kinda fails

[strange thicket]

yeah exactly
people keep making that point from time to time as if your team mates don't know how to point n click

[balmy compass]

Oh my teamates can fight, its just they are always fighting someone else the moment I need help

[blissful osprey]

Got a Fort Despair match, and this AT 15 kept approaching me, despite the whole time there was an IS-3 behind me. The IS-3, of course, decided to not do anything but watch the 15 shred what HP I had. I killed the AT15 but not without ending up with 26 HP left over. The IS-3 could’ve tried to out run the AT to block them, but nah, they have to get those rear shots in.

[strange thicket]

that is not the same as the point you tried to make to justify the t34 buff at all

[balmy compass]

Yeah things like this happen so much
Like several times on Castilla med side I go there with 2+ teamates and they all camp by the church sniping heavies while the other med team comes and fights me, my meds keep sniping completely oblivious to the enemy flank 30 meters from them

[plucky summit]

Tanks don't need buffs if teammates are bad

[balmy compass]

Lets buff teamates 👍

[strange ingot]

A little hull armor buff

[blissful osprey]

If only you could…

[plucky summit]

Whatcha need?

[blissful osprey]

They need to sell it and spend the credits elsewhere

[queen sedge]

I have successfully researched the M46 Patton. I heard it isn't a good tank. May I know why?

[strange thicket]

good hulldown capabilities
recently buffed stats(not sure which)
and nice dpm too

[queen sedge]

Oh ok, thank you.

[blissful osprey]

They’re idiots. The M46 is a decent vehicle. The thing about it is that compared to something like the Pershing, the M46 has a pretty weak turret. But it has a few things to its advantage. The turret is pretty small, and the armor’s where it supposed to be. It just doesn’t have enough of it against tanks with bigger guns. It has pretty insane accuracy while moving and turning the turret. It’s very easy to make snapshots in the tank.

[strange thicket]

yah the tank isn't half bad
oh you said m46-
never mind what i said 😂

[blissful osprey]

The only problem is the mobility, which isn’t the best, but it’ll do.

[blissful osprey]

Were you talking about the M48? I’m pretty sure the speed got buffed just a tiny little bit, but it was really the DPM that got a jump in viability.

[strange thicket]

yeah i thought he said M48

[blissful osprey]

Lol. Yeah, can’t blame you for that. The problem is, it does sit as one of the better X MTs around rn. I’d easily take it over the 62A. Also has some of the best view ranges around. 313m with optics is nothing to laugh at.

[strange thicket]

ye it is pretty good
i ended up taking the 140 over it and the 62a though 💀
but i wanna get the pershing

[blissful osprey]

Sheridan getting less view range smh

The Pershing is a pretty good tank. I think it got its DPM buffed as well.

[strange thicket]

sheridan is very good and lovely
it is a t49 minus the problems, what is there not to love?

[plucky summit]

A lack of HP and DPM

[queen sedge]

Oh lol

[queen sedge]

Alright

[strange thicket]

so
like the t49
minus the accuracy problems and pen and ammo type problems
problem?

[plucky summit]

I was just answering “what is there not to love?”

[hollow notch]

The t49 hits significantly harder tier for tier

[strange thicket]

sure
if it hits
and doesn't get HE'd to death
or focused
or just entirely avoided
you can have fun splashing most of your shots ig 🤷‍♂️

[plucky summit]

I pen more sheridans than I splash them in my 183

[strange thicket]

😂 fair enough i guess

[blissful osprey]

It can’t seem to pen an IS-7’s side whenever you shoot at it. Also, pretty crappy accuracy, the p/w ratio ain’t the best meaning it doesn’t go zooooom as fast as other tanks can go zooooom. It’s pretty fun, but it isn’t the best.

[hollow notch]

As a t49 simp that wr grinds in the t49, I don't have those problems

[plucky summit]

I heard not being sideways or backwards is a good tip

[strange thicket]

ye, i know it is not the best
@hollow notch alright 😂

[queen sedge]

Yeah Pershing's dpm was buffed

[hollow notch]

Ahhh, back when it had better than Dracula acceleration

Interesting times

[strange thicket]

i don't find the accuracy to be that bad actually.
but i agree on the p/w, wg should have gave it back some of its old p/w after the missiles removal ngl

[fallow sluice]

Hmmm... I got something weird cooking.

• IS-6 Hull
• Larger Version and Up-armored AMX-40 Turret
• Gun and Gun Mantlet from Löwe

Just a thought

[plucky summit]

As you wish

[fallow sluice]

Char D' IS-6 "Löwe Quacke"

[plucky summit]

Jus gimme a bit

[plucky summit]

is the turret stock or max?

[fallow sluice]

Stock

[plucky summit]

@fallow sluice

[nimble topaz]

LOL🤣 funny design

[fallow sluice]

hmmmm... damn impenetrable alien tank 😆

Idk if devs will even agree on releasing that since we already got Tankenstein on the line, as well as other tanks

[hollow notch]

Very cursed

[fallow sluice]

Devs might want to consider the design

[robust orchid]

M Y
E Y E S

[robust orchid]

Okay, hear me out on this hybrid idea of mine
-STB-1 Hull
-Leopard 1 turret
-OQF 20-pdr AT Gun Type B Barrel
-Hispano-Suiza HS 110 engine
and
-Centurion Mk. 9 suspension

[nimble topaz]

jageroo ammorack is on the wheel ????

[violet timber]

Nope

[nimble topaz]

oh now i know why

i shot the jageroo from the back at the wheels... it went BOOM on the second shot

so this where i shoot him btw.... Poor guy... i thought the ammo rack is on the sides...

[blissful osprey]

Well, the turret must be bigger than the original one, and so must the gun. The 20-pdr as far as I’m concerned isn’t bigger or longer than the 105mm L7. Of course, Chicken could probably do it.

[plucky summit]

Given C9 is within the modern category, I can't even obtain the model, so they'll have to cope with 7/1

[blissful osprey]

As they should.

[nimble topaz]

loaded with unli ammo 😂

[violet timber]

Centurion suspension stays pretty much the same throughout the entire series, so a 7/1 should be similar if not the same

[plucky summit]

Aka redundant garbage

[blissful osprey]

Odd. Were those rounds placed horizontally or vertically? I can only assume naval 130mm shells are pretty large.

[sacred quail]

how were you able to get the Pz.Kmpf IV (-0-)

[violet timber]

Well, yes. The Centurion tanks are all rather underwhelming tbh

[nimble topaz]

the event

[sacred quail]

bruh how i played it so much

[blissful osprey]

You needed to log in for the whole 7 days to get the required parts smh

[sacred quail]

dang ight

[violet timber]

It was 10 days iirc

And there were missions on certain days to get mastery levels to get the parts for that day

[blissful osprey]

Well, it’s too late anyways.

[nimble topaz]

e100 ammorack is just right here but i cant explode it... why ?? any tips?

[robust orchid]

hmmmmm

[plucky summit]

280 HP, it's also RNG-based

[plucky summit]

Dw, Leopard 1 covers STB's silhouette

[violet timber]

Unfortunately the Leo 1 turret is rather bad till the legendary A5 modification

[plucky summit]

No more, I have an essay to do.

[vital hare]

BT cchassey with a Lowe gun and werid turret

[plucky summit]

🤦‍♂️

1. "Weird* turret" doesn't specify anything, so it's unhelpful
2. Literally the last message was that I'm not doing more until I deal with the essay

Unless you're trying to guess the tank, then you're painfully wrong other than the gun

[blissful osprey]

Well, good luck with the essay. Hope your teacher doesn't give you a B or somethin.

[plucky summit]

I pass even if I get a 0, so the incentive is purely psychological

[blissful osprey]

Actually, it would be professor.

[plucky summit]

🤷‍♂️

He's a pretty nice guy, I'd hate to disappoint, even with the extension he gave me

[blissful osprey]

An extension...

[plucky summit]

More time to write the essay

[blissful osprey]

I guessed that, but still. I'd be too ashamed with myself if I were in that position.

[nimble topaz]

noice

[blissful osprey]

Eagle 7 if you really want one of the two.

[plucky summit]

It has turret armor and a chunky gun

But you really should just save gold instead

I say Eagle's gun is more practical, and it also has 10 degrees of gun depression so you have really make it work

[misty wing]

does FV not have 10 degrees?

[plucky summit]

8

[misty wing]

that's an oof

[blissful osprey]

@plucky summit How are you doing with that essay?

[plucky summit]

That's a precarious assumption, assuming I'm doing it

[blissful osprey]

So you're not doing well, and by that, I mean you haven't even done it at all. Eh, could be worse.

[plucky summit]

xD
I do have tomorrow
Oop it's today now

[graceful iris]

How does gun depression work? With that i mean, why do lower tanks have more effective gun depression than higher ones? Or am i wrong? I heard people say that and i can confirm from personal experience too. E25 for example is supposed to have 8 degrees but when i played it it felt like a lot more

[keen garnet]

Because it's lower to the ground

[thorny smelt]

FV217 Badger has 10 degrees of gun depression

[keen garnet]

It's roughly like this
A crude drawing but since Gun 2 is lower to the ground than Gun 1, it can aim lower

The green lines indicate the maximum gun depression, black is the ground and walls

[graceful iris]

Ohh i get it. Thx for help

Though STB-1 probably gets best gun depression in t10 right? It's lower than any other med/light with 10 degrees gun depression. Even lower than vickers lol

[keen garnet]

Probably

[misty wing]

concept might be lower

[robust orchid]

Should I continue grinding the Ho-Ri line? I've heard that the Ho-Ri Type III is actually good
Currently, I have the Ho-Ri Type II on max xp and is about 200k xp away from getting the Ho-Ri Type III

[misty wing]

if you're already at tier 9, why not continue

[thorny smelt]

Carry on

[scarlet kernel]

For some reason i found the 50B more armored than the 57

Prob mostly cause of the armor highlighter

[misty wing]

probably just confirmation bias, or you met a ton of nub players

[scarlet kernel]

I mean from the front, cause it seemed like i got pen from the front a lot more in the 57

[misty wing]

it just seemed like it, that's all

[scarlet kernel]

And also i bounced the 50B turret in my IS-7...

[misty wing]

it happens

[past fractal]

U got 50🅱️ruh’d

[solid gate]

worst yet in uprsisng yesterday an jge100 used HE on my grille...somehow..it didn't pen....

[calm patio]

should I buy t28 htc bundle for 3k gold?

[misty wing]

no

[calm patio]

ok

[uncut phoenix]

Nitor

[blissful hamlet]

Both have similar weakness on the turret, but 50 B has 10° of gp, so the turret base is a little stronger

[balmy compass]

You hit the incredibly long gun

[balmy compass]

Oh look, Stranger Things

[past fractal]

A Things

Strange A

[solid gate]

Tanks from hungary that you could have in wot blitz, it would be nice to have tanks from nations that are not well known in the war

there is also romania

[mystic sleet]

Yes, I agree that these tanks would be a very nice addition to the game, but some of them already exist, and then there is the problem of there not being a suitable tier 10

[prime tundra]

Does anyone know some tips for the Tiger (P)? Do i just play it like any other medium/heavy tank or does it have certain characteristics/weak spots/etc i need to watch out for?

[unborn ibex]

imagine if the Landkreuzer P. 1000 Ratte was in wot blitz

[prime tundra]

Im trying to go for the Maus as my first T10 (turns out i absolutely suck with the IS lines) and aaaaaa

[balmy compass]

Dont try to sidescrape too far and try hulldown, your cupola is also big

[mystic sleet]

Cupola is a weak spot and so is the lower front plate. But that's about all that I know, since I never actually played it.

And the sides are very weak ofc

[unborn ibex]

try to take advantage of terrain. as the lower plate is weaker, hide that behind hills, rocks, or destroyed tanks. the tiger (P) is slower than the tiger 1, so dont be prone to enemy tanks overrunning you, as you cant retreat or find cover as fast as the tiger 1. Also, the front of the tiger (P)'s turret is weak, but can still riochet if looking dead on to enemy tanks.

also i would reccomend gun rammer and enhanced armour with the tiger p as well

[violet timber]

The shoulder plate is weak, making side scraping a real pain

[prime tundra]

aaaaa thanks a lot-

while im at it - what about the e25? i used it in uprising a few times, but im not sure where i should position it

with positioning, i mean at the frontlines, slightly behind, or trying to flank the enemy

[graceful iris]

you can play as td or you can play as turretless light

[plucky summit]

Really, you should snipe whenever you can, because with low alpha and HP, you’ll lose trades 9 times out of 10, so you can’t afford to do that

[graceful iris]

playing it as aggressive light is also an option and is a lot more fun. needs more skill though

[plucky summit]

It seems too aggressive, do you expect the enemy to just not shoot back?

[prime tundra]

i mean

e25 always seemed like a really angry tank to me idk why

[graceful iris]

no. if you haven't tried it you should. even though it has no armor it still does good with aggressive playstyle. and facehugging smasher in e25 is the best feeling lol

[plucky summit]

It really seems too risky, sending a feeble tank to frontline, where it’ll lose all trades and lacks HP

[prime tundra]

sometimes, it can facehug sides etc and the enemy tank just can't hit it because its so flat, but thats more of a niche case than anything

[graceful iris]

high risk and high fun

[plucky summit]

I just prefer the strategy of punishing enemy aggression, sniping against any that pull around a corner to hit your heavies, while the rate of fire makes sure the enemy doesn’t have much time to make decisions before getting popped again

[graceful iris]

e25 is versatile imo and can do both. snipe and play aggressive. i just play aggressive cus i find it more fun

[plucky summit]

I snipe because it’s more consistent :p

[graceful iris]

lol fair point. haven't played it much tho. just tested a bit on friend's acc. liked aggressive more so im sticking with that playstyle

[plucky summit]

I don’t chase the dream of hugging a Smasher since it’s a 7v7 and it’s likely I’ll take a beating before I get there

So it’s strategy versus entertainment, your choice, Cubera

[sacred karma]

If only we actually got more...Historical attachments
Idk exactly what, but something kinda like what the Fury had on it
Like attachments that were actually available during wartime

[wintry orchid]

better delete that dude that’s bannable

[graceful iris]

what

[wintry orchid]

Delete it before mods see it

[graceful iris]

uhh i think you're confusing things lol. pretty sure playing on friend's acc with their consent is fine..

[strange thicket]

yeah selling accounts is the one against EULA iirc

[graceful iris]

yup. selling is bannable but just borrowing for free is fine

[wintry orchid]

No that’s bannable too, you’re sharing the account that’s the whole point of the rule

[graceful iris]

bruh if that's bannable literally half of playerbase would be banned

[wintry orchid]

Yes if wg would know it

[strange thicket]

it is not

[plucky summit]

If you're giving any of your account info, you are held responsible

😐

[graceful iris]

wait what

[plucky summit]

Personal offer for me

[balmy compass]

Yes lets ban our friends account because he let me play 1 battle in his smasher

[blissful hamlet]

Holy, it is insanely expensive for me,
About 600+ BRL

[vocal sentinel]

I just wanna be rid of the god damn IS-8

[solid gate]

Sidescraping is the best in this tank

[balmy compass]

Yes lets sidescrape in a front mounted turreted tank with little side armor

[solid gate]

Front line if u fight against tier 6 and tier 7, second line if u fight against tier 8, You can be angling from side to side if an enemy is close, u can do sidescraping If your cupola is to the side of the wall, hulldown is bad because of cupola

[west rapids]

Is 8 is awesome tho

[solid gate]

Reverse sidescraping?

[balmy compass]

You can do that

[vocal sentinel]

I can't get it to work

[solid gate]

I did sidescraping and it worked, I've done 1vs5 with tiger p, it was even my first ace

[west rapids]

Havent played the game in a while but let me tell you, it’s really good

[vocal sentinel]

Armor is useless and the gun depression is low

[balmy compass]

You can sidescrape but its not as effective as other heavies

[vocal sentinel]

Enemies eat my HP faster than Anne Frank locks doors

[west rapids]

Gun reload time is very great for a t9

[prime tundra]

i got a mastery badge in tiger p and im proud of myself aaA

[solid gate]

Just play like med or second line

[west rapids]

Never rely on armor in it, it’s not the usual heavy

[prime tundra]

sidescraping works to bait people.into shooting i guess but i wouldn't use it constantly

[solid gate]

But yes is 8 is bad

[west rapids]

Is 8 is good

[strange thicket]

that is besides the point but ok

[plucky summit]

I just read over the brief segment, and tried to say it in my own words

[vocal sentinel]

Gun is the only good thing about it. Everything else kinda sucks

[west rapids]

Speed is good too

[solid gate]

Tiger p is one of best tier 7, and have new provisions, I don't know if it has tungsten

[prime tundra]

sandbag and gunpowder

[solid gate]

Tiger p can have tier 8 hp

[prime tundra]

1725 hp to be exact

[vocal sentinel]

Doesn't fit my playstyle

[west rapids]

Just try to play it as a heavium. It can seriously pack a punch towards a lot of tanks around 9-10

[vocal sentinel]

In other words, I have no experience in playing like that

[prime tundra]

tiger p feels more like a medium than a heavy tbh

[solid gate]

In vk 100 it's a little more complicated because it's slow and it has a very big cupola, vk 100 already depends a lot on the angulation and sidescraping

And the vk 100 stock is pretty bad, mauschen stock is even worse

Stock vk 100 has at least one cannon with a tier 8 penetration, the mauschen is worse because it has a tier 8 pen which is bad, but if you have already made the E75 or vk 72 line the cannon will not be a problem

[prime tundra]

why exactly are they pretty bad when stock? they dont gain new turrets and the gun upgrades give minimal bonus pen

[solid gate]

Speed, and masuchen is speed and cannon

[balmy compass]

VK 100 and Mauschen dont have new turrets

[solid gate]

Also the vk 100 with 75% crew has 16 second reload with 460 damage,

[prime tundra]

okay yeah the engine, thats fair

vk gun upgrade gives 5 pen and mäuschen gives 24

...okay, fair. i suppose its better to block shots with than anything else ig

[vocal sentinel]

I'm on the VK 100 right now. I'm enjoying it quite a bit, but I wish I could get the reload down some more

[solid gate]

I stopped the line on the vk 100 because I don't want to suffer from mauschen stock, that's why I'm making the E100 line which is smoother in stock, and the E75 already has the maus cannon which is the same as the mauschen upgraded cannon

[west rapids]

Maus line is enjoyable

[prime tundra]

oh mastery ace badge gave me enough exp to unlock vk neat

[solid gate]

The difference between the improved cannon of the Mauschen and the Maus is that it has a different reload to keep swinging
Mauschen - 14 or 13 seconds
Maus - 11 or 10 seconds

[west rapids]

Makes me happy especially when I’m not experienced in heavies

[solid gate]

It's a good line to take damage, but it also depends on the team to give support to damage enemies while you take damage

Now the tank with the most hp in the game is the vk 72 if you use the sandbags and hp upgrade

I think

[balmy compass]

Maus can go a little over 3k with improved assembly

[solid gate]

I think the vk 72 manages to have 3100 hp, it's the hp that the maus could have In the old days

And the cool thing is that wg wants to differentiate the vk 72 from the E100

[balmy compass]

With both sandbags and improved assembly this is the maximum health of VK 72

[solid gate]

And it's also good to search for videos about tips about the tank that you have difficulty or to know if it's good or difficult to play

[solid gate]

I thought there was more because I saw someone once with 3100 hp

[balmy compass]

Maus with improved assembly

[prime tundra]

i don't like vk it looks ugly
also basically invites you to sidescrape

i mean maus does too but not as obviously and it looks nice imo

[solid gate]

No sidescraping with vk is bad, vk 72 have a bad side because of the turret, There is a part of the turret that is in the hull and is halfway out of the side and it is easy to penetrate there

[balmy compass]

Shouldn’t even be possible because VK 72 still has less base HP then Maus

[prime tundra]

not saying that its necessarily a good idea, just saying that by the way it looks

[solid gate]

It really looks like it but not every tank that has a turret behind is good on the side

And I don't think the vk 72 is ugly, for me it has one of the most beautiful camouflages in the game

Fun fact: in wot pc have 2 vk 72
The vk 72 is premium, the line vk is the PZ VII

[prime tundra]

wew

[solid gate]

I always wanted to know why players play more with German tanks?

[strange thicket]

wehraboos

[balmy compass]

Superheavy moment
Higher HP pools and massive amounts of armor

[strange thicket]

germany is def not my most played nation

[hollow moth]

Germany is my most played nation, but I swear I'm not a Werhabok

[solid gate]

It's mine too

[balmy compass]

I just recently finished researching the entire German tech tree 😂

[strange thicket]

i still got maus and vk72 untouched

[hollow moth]

I've got E100, Jagdpanzer E100 and E50 M, but I have less than 10 battles on the E50M

[solid gate]

I don't even know what that means

[strange thicket]

people obsessed with germany and a bit too fascinated by and invested in it

[vocal sentinel]

Genuinely good tanks tbh

What else is there to say? The Germans made some good shit

[solid gate]

my favorite nations are german and british in wot blitz

They have accurate tanks

[vocal sentinel]

Russian, American, and German for me

In fact they're the only tanks that make up my Garage

[violet timber]

Too slow to traverse, not viable

[hollow moth]

Imagine the guy that overrates Tiger 1 and Panther, thinks that Erwin Rommel was the best general of WW2, watches Girls Und Panzer, have a deep desire to buy an iron cross medal, would wear a werhmacht uniform in a fantasy party, believes that russians only won because of massive human waves, believes that Germany was totally capavle of winning the war and, at last but not least, plays HOI4, WT and WOT almost only with german tanks.

[hollow moth]

That's a detailed description of a wehraboo

[vocal sentinel]

Then he gets his ass handed to him by some guy in an IS-7

[hollow moth]

I forgot to mention, most of the times they're fat or slightly racists, but that's a mere detail of their nature

[violet timber]

Tiger is overrated, Panther isn’t

[solid gate]

True, but panther have ram

[violet timber]

Also being a wheraboo does not mean you agree with the ideals of the people using the tanks, you just believe that the German army was incredibly strong. It’s nothing to do with ideals, only the German army vs every other army of the time

[solid gate]

full of mosquito here

[hollow moth]

Idk if you've noticed, but I made it to be a joke.

[violet timber]

But in reality, the Tiger 1 is overrated. The Tiger 2 on the other hand would’ve been much more capable of the crews actually took care of the tank.

[violet timber]

Joking about that kind of thing isn’t really funny, but okay.

[hollow moth]

Well, funny isn't a solid characteristic for a reason.

[solid gate]

Type 61 is good like sta?

[violet timber]

I think most of the world agrees that joking about racism isn’t funny, but each to their own

@solid gate Type is better

[solid gate]

Mitsu 108 It is similar to the T-35 and T28 mod. 1940

[violet timber]

Overall, the STA is pretty bad, I just like messing with people who try to make it an argument against me

[solid gate]

I think the sta is the worst tier 8 medium

[violet timber]

Insert FCM, Lorraine, Cent Mk.1, T-44-100, and STG

[hollow moth]

Don't get the things wrong. I didn't joke about racism, I did joke about germany fanboys being racist.

[violet timber]

That’s still joking about racism…

[hollow moth]

Oh my boy, those are very different things, but I'm not here to discuss this.

[violet timber]

They aren’t different, but you keep thinking that.

[hollow moth]

By the way, between FCM and STA I seriously don't knoe which one is more useless in combat

[violet timber]

FCM. STA is definitely better

[solid gate]

Cent mk 1 is good, big Mantlet, I bounced a lot of enemies

[plucky summit]

I'd jab at STA since FCM has some HE resistance

[violet timber]

STA has the better gun

[solid gate]

Cent mk 1 is like caernarvon, big mantlet

[plucky summit]

Me when FCM is faster than STA

[solid gate]

But the cent mk 1 has a fragile ammorack

[violet timber]

Cent mk1 is an easy pen, is slow, and has a low alpha gun

[hollow moth]

Well, FCM is a slow enormous brick without actual armor, STA is... idk

[plucky summit]

FCM can actually cope with HE unlike STA

[violet timber]

I’d still take more pen, better reload (by a tad), and more gun depression. They have the same effective p/w as well

[strange thicket]

you would be surprised actually

[plucky summit]

FCM funny reverse sidescrape

Too bad the turret lets it down, and probably 3CRB too

[hollow moth]

Too bad the whole tank, aside from the HP pool and penetration, lets it down.

[plucky summit]

Fr kinda bussin tho

[strange thicket]

i despise the FCM and wish for its deletion

[violet timber]

The FCM is also massive, unlike the STA

[solid gate]

But dpm, And players really find it difficult to pen their turret

[violet timber]

Dpm is nice, alpha sucks. It’s the same problem the AX has

[solid gate]

I have 57% wr on cent mk 1

[hollow moth]

I regret buying it on steam DLCs, I could've bought This War Of Mine with all that money

[solid gate]

It's a medium damage from a medium tank, what did you expect?

[plucky summit]

It's low damage from a medium tank

[strange thicket]

what does the cent shoot for again?

[plucky summit]

190 baby mode

[strange thicket]

i got it for free with the blackdog actually
i still despise it and rarely touch it, i just hate it.
having the same reload as the blackdog drives me insane too

[hollow moth]

The same damage that a slap would do in a car.

[violet timber]

Black dog is such a fun tank

[plucky summit]

Also this if anyone was curious about the specific size comparison

[strange thicket]

sta any day
any week

[solid gate]

190, same dmg of fv 301

[hollow moth]

Neither, I prefer Fexp sta and sell FCM

[strange thicket]

at least fv 301 is ridiculously mobile

[violet timber]

FV301 is much, much more mobile and has the same effective armor

[plucky summit]

The only thing cent can brag to FV301 about is 250 HP

[hollow moth]

That ain't much, but it's an honest work

[violet timber]

And accuracy

[strange thicket]

accuracy is aight on the fv301
still practical enough

[plucky summit]

Honestly once you hit 0.3 and lower it stops practically mattering

ramming is the least practical thing to do to damage an enemy

[solid gate]

And cent 1 have ram

[violet timber]

.299 on the cent vs .335 on 301

[balmy compass]

E 50 M:

[plucky summit]

Well yeah if the enemy lobotomizes themselves and sits there waiting to take it

[solid gate]

Cent 1 have 175 armor on turret

[hollow moth]

I doubt that 0.036 actually matters in effective combat

Unless you're going to camp really far

[plucky summit]

It somewhat does, honestly
It's just that Refined gun lets FV just have 0.302, which is sufficient

[solid gate]

And the turret can bounce more than panther 2, t44, sta, pantera

[plucky summit]

I trust T-44's turret more

[solid gate]

And have more armor than caernarvon turret
175 on cent
165 caernarvon

120 on t44

[hollow moth]

If I wanted something precise, with a good turret and with 250 more HP over Fv 301, I'd take Lowe instead

[solid gate]

But t44 have a smaller turret

[strange thicket]

caer turret is infinitely stronger than trash1 turret
i also despise cent 1's existence and skipped as fast as possible to 7/1 😂
i just hate the alpha on those meds

[plucky summit]

You'd be surprised, their turrets are about the same effectively

[past crane]

Yeah, angles and size matter just as much as raw thickness.

[solid gate]

same turret, almost same turret armor, same tank but caer is more big

[strange thicket]

oh really? least the caer actually has an upper plate ig.
and also effectively better everywhere else

[solid gate]

And caer is slower

[plucky summit]

🤷‍♂️

[past crane]

Caer can be surprisingly troll

[solid gate]

Difference is the hull

[strange thicket]

still caer > cent1
it has a huge edge over cent 1 when you consider other stats and super consumables

[hollow moth]

Somehow, Centurion turret is slightly better than Caernavon's

[past crane]

Uh…because it has 175 and the Caernarvon has 165 on the front. However I think Caernarvon has better mantlet.

[plucky summit]

Look

At the screenshots

[solid gate]

I want to see what's better than charioteer's hesh

[plucky summit]

What do you mean?

[solid gate]

Idk

But tier 8 hesh

[plucky summit]

<@&481447501690568709> #blitz-art #blitz-memes

[solid gate]

?

[plucky summit]

Dw about it

I shall proceed on my essay, it's about time I man up to it

[solid gate]

Ok

[hollow moth]

Chickenman, lux, nomercies and I
We are the four horsemen of essays about wotb.

[prime tundra]

cool names

this has absolutely nothing to do with me being german myself

...okay, maybe a little bit because the names actually mean something to me and i make sense of them (selbstfahrlafette for sfl etc etc)

but generally, i just find german tanks more memorable like tiger + tiger 2, maus, grille etc

i could name like 0 memorable tanks from the usa tree (except for sheridan and t49), and ussr is kinda surprisingly memorable too i guess?

[balmy compass]

The U.S. also gave some of their tanks nicknames, like Hellcat, Jackson, Pershing, Sherman.

[prime tundra]

but thats rare, and nicknames doesnt exactly mean its memorable

[plucky summit]

If you think feline names and consistent use of "panzer" is cool, then I guess so

[balmy compass]

In a similar sense the Germans gave names to some of their tanks, Tiger, Panther, Lowe…

Panzer and VK are the literal designatios, America used T and M with a number for designation

[prime tundra]

"panzer" doesnt hold any special value for me like it would do for anyone else

[violet timber]

Panzerkampfwagen

[hollow moth]

Well, shermans are memorable, I just wish you luck to remember which sherman someone's talking about only by the letters and numbers on its name.

[plucky summit]

Because it just means "tank" lol

@hollow moth I can >:)
For all Blitz shermans, anyways

[prime tundra]

but yeah i do like the feline names

another reason (at least for me) is the colour of german tanks in general

[violet timber]

Just memorize the common modifications

[prime tundra]

i like it, it seems neutral compared to all the others

[hollow moth]

Tell me, do you remember that tier 5 collector sherman that none cares about?

[balmy compass]

Sherman Jumbo

[violet timber]

At least you don't have to memorize what M4A3 (76) W means

[hollow moth]

No, not this one, that tier 5 with E2 hull but with the 75mm gun

[prime tundra]

german tanks in general just seem more "unique" imo as well

[violet timber]

A2 hull, E4

[balmy compass]

I agree, Lowe looks cool

[violet timber]

What I really want is the M4A3 (76) W HVSS

[prime tundra]

you dont see a giant maus or a toaster in any other line but then im already rambling too much

that doesnt mean that i dont find the other tech trees cool too i was just trying to find a reason why i would prefer german tanks ig

[hollow moth]

Exactly! I doubt that someone actually remembers it

[hollow moth]

M4A3E8 I suppose

[violet timber]

Yup

But the M4A3 (76) W isn't an E8

[hollow moth]

I remember the M4A3 (76) from War Thunder, but lord, I have no idea about what HVSS is supposed to mean

[violet timber]

Horizontal Volute Spring Suspension, aka the E8 modification

And the W refers to the ammo stowage

[hollow moth]

Ok, that is kinda specific from the americans

[balmy compass]

Just another Sherman to me

[violet timber]

The British were even worse

[plucky summit]

M4A2E4? Y e a h

[hollow moth]

How worse?

[violet timber]

Their naming system is so bad, I can't even remember it

[plucky summit]

Cruiser I
Cruiser II
Cruiser III
Cruiser IV

How preposterous

[hollow moth]

So... you remember it or you took that much time searching on blitzhangar?

[balmy compass]

Give the tank a name that starts with C

[blissful osprey]

They're a Germany brain. They're hopeless.

[plucky summit]

I was getting ice cream 😂

[balmy compass]

What?

[nimble spruce]

WG seriously? 💀

[misty wing]

I remember it

[violet timber]

Or V

After all, the best tank ever, the Valiant was British

[plucky summit]

After all, my O-I didn't ask

[hollow moth]

But what about Archer?@violet timber @balmy compass

[blissful osprey]

If you're a Germany main (or "brain" as I like to call it, because it seems like they live that way), they don't really have much in terms of creativity. "Oh, yes, we shall name our heaviest tank we have after one of the smallest animals. Clearly, an impressive name."

[prime tundra]

so... any tips for vk 100? (stock)
do i need to look out for certain
characteristics or non-obvious weakspots?

[plucky summit]

Mauschen: Small mouse

[violet timber]

Ah yes, the one with the backwards gearbox

[balmy compass]

I am not 100% sure why they choose such animals for such vehicles so I cannot say anything here

[plucky summit]

ABSOLUTELY get the 12,8cm gun asap, the 10,5cm is completely terrible

[violet timber]

The Maus was going to be named the Mammoth, but I forget why they changed it

[balmy compass]

I dont see how this relates to Americans naming some of their tanks after American generals

[plucky summit]

Cause it's extinct, which is a bad rep to give the Maus

[prime tundra]

why is that

[hollow moth]

Well, simply do the same that you'd do in a Maus, but now you're much more slower and prepare your wallet because prammo will sing a lot

[plucky summit]

Because the stock gun is terrible?
It's designed that way, idk

[prime tundra]

it has like 5 less pen than its upgrade

[mystic sleet]

The Tiger was first named the Mammoth, which is supported by small mammoth drawing on the turret's side

[hollow moth]

Then mammoth would fit a lot with Maus these days.

[hollow gazelle]

Pen isnt everything the other charactoristics of the gun are worse than the 12.8

[plucky summit]

Pen isn't everything, know the jump by 150 damage per shot and a massive DPM increase

[balmy compass]

You guys can ask why Germany wants to name the P 1000 “Ratte”

[prime tundra]

okay, fair

[hollow moth]

Duality between calling as a rat the biggest bunch of metal that they could think?

[balmy compass]

They would also like to build the P 1500 “Monster”

[blissful osprey]

General Jackson was sorta dead (and a Confederate) but the M36 is still arguably the best American TD of WW2. Not too bad, for naming an AFV after a dead guy.

@balmy compass Because Germany doesn't have anything better to name it after.

[hollow moth]

Is Monster an actual german word?

[plucky summit]

Americans don't care if the chad is dead, Germans probably did

[violet timber]

Hellcat was the best American td, not even a question

[blissful osprey]

Then talk to Bismarck, I suppose.

[balmy compass]

Probably not

[plucky summit]

Shut

This is outside of Blitz and I refuse to think there

[hollow moth]

Quick question, is Ferdinand a reference to Franz Ferdinand?

[plucky summit]

No.

[hollow moth]

My brain is too smooth to actually think about the real world

[blissful osprey]

I'd like to think so, but in most situations I'd sorta like the 90mm gun.

@hollow moth Was apparently named after Ferdinand Porsche, which was sorta alive at the time.

[balmy compass]

The nickname of the Fernie was the Elephant right?

[hollow moth]

Wait, so the Porsche guy's first name is Ferdinand?

Yes@balmy compass

[mystic sleet]

No, the Elephant featured more armor and a machine gun port next to the driver

[blissful osprey]

I think that was what they were named after the TD's modifications.

[balmy compass]

Oh

[hollow moth]

Cool

[violet timber]

Based of of US Army tank destroy doctrine, the Hellcat was literally the perfect machine. Fast enough to react to an attack, and gun big enough to deal with anything it came across, and enough mobility to relocate after firing. It was also small enough to stay hidden.

[misty wing]

Nah the best American TD was the T28 obviously

[balmy compass]

They didn’t even use it for its purpose

[blissful osprey]

But wasn't American TD doctrine rather flawed? Great on paper, but the whole thing sorta flopped once people actually started needing it, because they never actually needed it. The Jackson wasn't the fastest thing ever, but I'm sure it got the gun where it needed to.

@misty wing Classified as a heavy tank, so it can't really be a TD, can it?

[hollow moth]

By far, it's T28 HTC

[violet timber]

American TD doctrine was basically based on the basis of a tank destroyer. Not something used for offence, against other tanks, but rather for defense, against enemy attacks. You wanted to be able to defend a sector as quickly as possible, meaning the Hellcat (the fasted tracked vehicle of WW2) was amazing at it's job

[graceful iris]

Basically
Cent 1's prem version: cent raac
Caer's prem version: ax

Why would you play cent 1 over raac? Literally no reason at all. Raac is exact same just with much better armor
Why would you play caer over ax? Pretty big advantage in alpha AND in dpm too

Sooo if you have raac there's no reason to play cent 1.. but if you have ax.. caer can still be enjoyable

[strange thicket]

caer is still better than ax and cent 1 by a huge margin so yeah that is about right

[misty wing]

No

[blissful osprey]

Perhaps, but I'm sure the M36 was fast enough for the job it was designed for. That being said, I'm pretty sure had anyone wanted their way, the M36 probably would not have existed, you I guess you have a point there.

[mighty tinsel]

Action X has a better turret than the Caern.

[thorny smelt]

Frick. I forgot. It's Ferdinand Porsche. My bad

@hollow moth

[mystic sleet]

And mobility. And a slightly better gun in terms of accuracy

[violet timber]

The Jackson was a nice upgrade to the M10, but there's a reason the next step in US tank destroyer development was to slap the Jackson turret onto the Hellcat and call it a day

[prime tundra]

as a german, "monster" translates literally

[graceful iris]

Ngl comparing caer and ax is hard. Both are good in their ways. Caer has insane dpm but multiple weakspots on turret. Meanwhile to pen ax you need to load prammo and even then it has pretty high chance of trolling you.. at least in my case

Imo they're equal. If you want dpm get caer. If you want armor get ax

[mystic sleet]

But both are excellent imo. And what The Rock just said

[blissful osprey]

True...

[violet timber]

I personally would've liked to see where the T29, T30, T32, and T34 went if America had decided to keep developing them

[strange thicket]

cupola:
@mystic sleet caer has super consumables and the better gun but aight.

[mighty tinsel]

It’s small. No one except some tryhard is gonna shoot it.

[blissful osprey]

I mean, the M103 was sorta the culmination of all their research into the tanks' developments.

[strange thicket]

it really isn't that small lol
pretty easy to shoot actually.

[mighty tinsel]

Then don’t sit in 1 spot and move.

[violet timber]

M103 was in response to the IS-3, and was a different vehicle in that it had much weaker armor, as it was meant to engage targets at greater ranges

[graceful iris]

because german steel is epic. german armor will even stop stalin guided shells. german shells will even pierce stalinium armor. GERMAN ENGINNERING BEST IN THE WORLD

[violet timber]

M103, Conqueror, and the T-10 are really the last heavy tanks the world saw

[strange thicket]

the cupola is huge bro, moving isn't just gonna fix it
and with the pathetic alpha it got, it will most definitely be always outtraded unless you rush the enemy

[mighty tinsel]

It’s not that bad.

[strange thicket]

it isn't, that is true.
caern is still better 🤷‍♂️

[mighty tinsel]

Suit yourself.

[blissful osprey]

Yes, but some of those technologies (such as a variant of the T34's gun) were incorporated into the M103's design.

[strange thicket]

i would agree, but sheriff exists and i think is much cheaper than the ax. but fair enough

[mystic sleet]

Maybe in terms of alpha damage and dpm, but accuracy and aim time are on the AX's side, at least that I remember it being so.
Also, most tier 8 heavy tanks won't have trouble going through Caenarvon's turret and it's turret roof, especially when the enemy loads premium ammo. The AX at least stands a chance at bouncing premium shells and withstanding HEAT and HE shells fairly well thanks to it's protective screens at the turret's sides. And the cupola isn't that big. If you want to have a good look at a big and weak cupola look at the Chieftan/T95.

[violet timber]

True, but it had much more modern ammunition

[strange thicket]

the cupola is very big unless you can use the full 10 degrees of gun dep and then it is not that hard to hit
you can also trade with the enemies unlike with the action x
you will def need premium ammo to pen caers' turret which just lowers your dpm and is an advantage to the enemy caer tbh.

[blissful osprey]

Oh, and it used a Continental-1790-3 like the the T30 and the T34. Also, that doesn't really change the fact that the 120mm M58 is still a variant of the 120mm T53, which in itself was a variant of the 120mm M1 AA gun.

[violet timber]

It did have to be modified to actually fire the correct ammunition, mainly HEAT as that was the best round at the time for ranged combat

[blissful osprey]

Yes, but the M58 is still a variant (or if you really want to be that person, a successor) to the T53. And as I mentioned the M103 and the T30/34 all used variants of the Continental-1790 engine.

[misty wing]

what about the T123E6

[blissful osprey]

It seems pretty fake.

[misty wing]

I just saw a stock IS-3 in a tier 10 game 💀

[violet timber]

Yikes

[blissful osprey]

So a failtoon?

[misty wing]

yeah

stock 53TP Markowskiego looks goofy af lmao

[strange thicket]

goofy ahh' tank
i think the 50tp looks goofier imo 💀

[misty wing]

50TP looks really bad with the raised turret yeah

what consumables should I run in the caern

[past crane]

Lol the 53TP is actually ok stock
The stock turret is funny because you don’t have much of a hatch on top, but the front is about 200mm of flat armor. People shoot it but they often miss and hit the sharply angled sides. Much more troll than you think lmao.

[mystic sleet]

Raised? Do you mean upgraded?

[misty wing]

I mean the turret is raised up a significant distance off the hull

[plucky summit]

It's not technically raised, but the hull is shaved off the sides making the turret's containment ring extremely apparent

A quality of the 60TP, too

[blissful osprey]

Funny, how the T29 seems more maneuverable than the T110E5.

[nimble topaz]

lol

[misty wing]

how fake is the action x

[plucky summit]

About three and a half fakes per truth

[violet timber]

The Action X program was a thing, a turret was never developed for the Caern though, only the Cent

[blissful osprey]

Well, you can't really call it the Action X anymore. It's called the Centurion Mantleless Turret iirc.

[violet timber]

That is the Action X program, a program to design a mantletless turret

[misty wing]

Does anyone else find it kinda criminal that the chieftain/T95 is just called "chieftain" in battle
As if it's worthy of representing the actual chieftain historically

[mystic sleet]

No, but I what I do find confusing is the T95 part

[misty wing]

The turret is from the T95, not a chieftain

[mystic sleet]

Oh, I see

[thorny smelt]

It makes me wonder about T95 turret of the Chieftain/T95 if it is from the T95 medium tank

[mystic sleet]

Man, I just saw the T95/Chieftan tank and ngl it looks really good.

[misty wing]

T95/Chieftain isn't in blitz

[plucky summit]

At least we have Chieftain/T95

[misty wing]

true

[thorny smelt]

Chieftain turret and T95 hull?

[misty wing]

that's the T95/Chieftain, yeah

[thorny smelt]

The tier 8 one is Chieftain/T95 (Chieftain hull and T95 turret), right?

[misty wing]

yes

[thorny smelt]

Aight

[fallow sluice]

Hmmmm...

• Lowe Gun and Gun Mantlet
• E-100 Hull
• E-75 Turret

[thorny smelt]

@plucky summit

[fallow sluice]

It's this time of the day when my curious brain gets far too curious to look for a nightmare tank

Just like the Char D' IS-6 "Lowe Quacke"

[thorny smelt]

How about a 17 cm gun instead?

[violet timber]

The real cursed tanks come from Sprocket

[fallow sluice]

I made my own version of some tanks like the ARL 44

[violet timber]

I made upgraded versions of both the T28 and T28 proto on request

[fallow sluice]

We'll give that a try on the next round

imma send my ARL 44 Personal Build here

[misty wing]

looks nothing like an ARL 44

[fallow sluice]

Well, I covered some parts of it, and made it a bit longer

[mystic sleet]

I know, I was just stating my opinion of a tank variant similar to Chieftan/T95, except the turret and the chassis are swaped

[misty wing]

yeah it looks much better than the Chieftain/T95

[thorny smelt]

Yeah. No more cupola sticking out like a sore thumb

[misty wing]

it's not necessarily the cupola, it's more that the American hull looks better than the british, and the british turret looks better than the American

although if we're talking about the T95/FV4201 Chieftain, that one actually looks worse because the cupola is too small

that tank looks like it tried to drive through an underpass that was too low for it, and all of the roof components were scraped off, leaving the tank bald

[blissful osprey]

I mean, most are just polygons to me, but, if you say so.

[nimble topaz]

the suspension? its armored thou....

[ivory ocean]

what would the playstyle for the panther be ??
the lack of gun depression is kinda annoyin
any recommendations for how to play it on ridges ??

[blissful osprey]

You sorta don't. It's not like the turret cheeks are that great, but neither is the lower glacis. You just sorta have to find a balance. Any ridge that hides your LFP but keeps your UFP and your turret should be fine against anything but Tier VIIs and VIIIs with high pen.

[ivory ocean]

oh ty
well i was having a problem finding a ridge from which i could actually get a shot off
ya and plus the turret checks can be troll but rarely
ty tho

[faint swan]

a full up jagdtiger with 82% crew is running 22km/h

[ivory ocean]

ya its on the slower side
pretty sluggish

[lyric copper]

turret, plus the suspension of the ARL44’s is like the Churchill.

The side skirts cover the entirety of the tracks

And the ARL44’s front is way more steep

[past fractal]

Most of the “side skirts” are part of the main hitbox

Dont rely on it on bouncing HE 👍

60 mm and 50 mm thicknesses respectively

[plucky summit]

Shoot the tracks frontally to get damage too ;)

[past fractal]

Yus

[ivory ocean]

so armour wise vk 36 is better than the arl 44 ??

[true ravine]

ARL 44 front is perfect angled and sloped

@Fritz the lower plate is major problem for VK 36.01 (H)

[ivory ocean]

ya thats a thing too
but the side armour of the vk is better than that of an arl
cause any high caliber gun can he pen the side

[true ravine]

The random side boxes near the rear?

[ivory ocean]

well i havent played the arl
iv played the vk tho and it can get a few bounces from the sides too

but idk about the arl

[true ravine]

VK is very good while angling though you must hide the lower plate if not then say goodbye

[ivory ocean]

ya you have a point
how does the arl angle tho

[silk tide]

Arl 44? good angling is close to impossible as it has horrible sides but you have a 175mm EA frontal plate, don`t let them see your turret too long though.

[nimble topaz]

is this good? LOL.... is it better than the e50m now?

[plucky summit]

@thorny smelt not possible, the turret does not cover E100's

[misty wing]

I think caern ax turret might be worse than E50M's

[nimble topaz]

🇳 🇦 🇭 ....

[plucky summit]

It is.

[misty wing]

yeah it's worse

[nimble topaz]

wooops.... i should have looked at blitz hangar... dang....

never mind the turret.... how bout the gun? its a leopard 1 gun

[misty wing]

sure

[nimble topaz]

💯

should have used the t100 lt gun but ok 👍 💯

[misty wing]

Leopard gun is better than the T-100's

[nimble topaz]

👌

[ivory ocean]

ok ty

[silk tide]

I don`t know who balanced tanks like the tog 2 it can do sidescraping at extremely sharp angles with decent side armour due to the seperation of its turret from the rear. OP but rarely used for some reason.

I use the same tactic on the IS 8 but the result due to the not so great weak spots on the side armour it`s just good against lowly skilled Tier 8s or players who use auto aim. Still I kind of like the IS 8 even with stock modules other than the gun I get performance of 2500 dmg on average and 700 blocked (mainly fighting front line, even against Tier 10s) but the WR is horrible at 30% for the 40 games I played. No luck? 😅

[wanton fjord]

t28 concept and t-44-100 are on sale should i buy one of them?

[misty wing]

Nope

[hollow sequoia]

save your gold

[graceful iris]

thoughts on t44 100? seems like a good price.. but dont know how it performs soo need tips

[thorny smelt]

Autoloader AMX AC 48 when?

[hollow sequoia]

the tech tree one is the exact same if not better

[strange thicket]

bad, don't buy

[graceful iris]

alr. ill save it for something else then. was waiting for good t6 offer tbh like tog or crom b but wg just keeps putting more t8s in shop lol

[wanton fjord]

buy the m4 fl10 if its on sale again

[strange ingot]

Best tank in the game

Worth getting

[strange thicket]

^ troll moment

[humble nacelle]

Whats best to research and buy? Cromwell or Sherman firefly?

[blissful hamlet]

Both

[ornate coral]

Sherman is garbage but necessairy if you wanna go 4005

[fast compass]

Cromwell. You can go on to get the 4202 and Vickers. Which are both fantastic. The td branch is great as well if you get past that Sherman

[blissful hamlet]

Sherman Firefly has gun, Cromwell has speed

[ornate coral]

pz 4s still has more dpm and better armor

Its fun

[humble nacelle]

What's the worst tank to buy (tier x)

[ornate coral]

uhhhhhhh m48 fv

[blissful hamlet]

Both 215b

[balmy compass]

FV215b

[fast compass]

M48 is actually very good

[humble nacelle]

Is the M60 good?

[ornate coral]

no
R1B promoted fv idk why yall dont think its good

[fast compass]

Again yes it is. Both pattons are fantastic since their last buff

[balmy compass]

So a random YouTuber promted this tank, so its good now

[ornate coral]

Well hes the biggest german wotb streamer
With 10k xd
Also hes in ra1d xdddd
also hes been playing since release
also won blitz cup (i think?!)

[strange ingot]

E5

[fast compass]

That still doesn't say anything about the tank

[spark basin]

im not looking forward to seeing the 268v4 in battle with its ridiculous frontal armor

[humble nacelle]

Does the M3 Lee exist in the game I don't see it

[balmy compass]

Thats cool and all but the FV215b is still very powercrept and cant rly fight against other heavies

[ornate coral]

Hes like the e6
Going with meds

[balmy compass]

Yeah its a collecter

[fast compass]

It'll be fun. You don't like being shafted by someone who paid some 200 dollars on crates to get it?

[humble nacelle]

what tier is the M3 lee

[balmy compass]

Tier IV

[blissful osprey]

Literally the stupidest reason to base a tank's effectiveness one. Try again.

[spark basin]

certainly not when your prammo is below 340 pen and you literally can't do anything against it other than hit the cupola

[humble nacelle]

ok, what crate I can get it

[balmy compass]

You cant get it at the time, you will have to wait for it to appear in a battle pass or a event

[ornate coral]

No he made a video about it and listed all the reasons why its a great tank

[fast compass]

When did he do that, 2 years ago?

[balmy compass]

Youtubers can be very biased at times, dont always trust them

[prime tundra]

fv 215b, as in the death star?

[fast compass]

The heavy tank

[ornate coral]

Yeah

[balmy compass]

We usually call the deathstar by 183

[prime tundra]

ah right i forgot

[ornate coral]

Well hes been playing for 7 years soo.. idk why I shouldnt trust him

[fast compass]

Well. The tank was meta 2 years ago. The game has evolved. Literally every other tank in the tier got buffed except for 215b. Which got pretty much nerfed

[ornate coral]

oh ok 🥶
what nerf?
he only got super consumables

[balmy compass]

I think people would say super consumables would be a nerf

[blissful osprey]

They are because they just give the tanks some nerf afterwards that the super consumables can never seem to fix.

[fast compass]

Super speed boost got nerfed. But more importantly they killed its dpm. Only thing the tank had was dpm and they ruined it. And it doesn't have hitpoints on top of that like say an is4 or is7

[balmy compass]

Chimera has super consumables

[prime tundra]

what are super consumables?

[humble nacelle]

Is the M3 lee good??

[balmy compass]

The T29 line has super consumables and yes I know E5 is dead

[balmy compass]

Its a decent tank, not much armor but good damage and reload imo

[fast compass]

Poor balancing decisions.

Jokes aside. They are like normal consumables but more expensive and provide a much greater boost in some aspect

[humble nacelle]

Okay thanks for the answers

[balmy compass]

Super speed boost, reactive armor, reticle calibrator and tungsten(?) all count as super consumables

You might as well throw sandbags in there too I guess

[keen garnet]

Sandbags are provisions, not consumables

[balmy compass]

Oh right, I forgot 💀

[ornate coral]

• the one only 4005 has which reduces the reload time of the shells to 2.1s

[balmy compass]

But isn’t that like adrenaline but for a autoloader

[ornate coral]

Its unique idk

[keen garnet]

Yes, reduces the intraclip by 30%

[ornate coral]

If it costs 5.6k its normal if it costs 8k its super

[balmy compass]

So yeah, adrenaline, and since its only on the 4005 I wouldn’t count it as super consumable

[keen garnet]

It is a super consumable

[ornate coral]

yessir i knew it
Oh bruh
Its not 8k
Tier X right

[keen garnet]

These are normal consumables
Anything other than these are Super Consumables

[balmy compass]

I suppose with that logic it makes sense

[rose thicket]

I buy 15 collection crates for 7k gold, and I got this, did it worth it, and are they good ?

[solid gate]

Angry connor is the best credit earner in game, and m4a2e4 is a good tank for new players, but amx 30b i dont know

[strange ingot]

I personally think that 30B is the worst t10 med because it can't offer you anything

Even 907 may be somewhat played from hulldown

[rose thicket]

Nice for the angry Conor, and does M4A2E4 have good armor ?

[strange ingot]

No, you may just sell it

[rose thicket]

I'll see that so

[rose thicket]

I can, but I think I will keep it

[hollow notch]

Questionable.
The connor has the highest coefficient, yes, but tier 5 is severely lacking in hp to farm that tier 8+has

[solid gate]

M4 jumbo is a good tank for hulldown

[rose thicket]

That's what I was thinking, I'll see that in battle so

[solid gate]

Without E. Armor

With E. Armor

I forgot the name of this upgrade

But medium tanks with 200, 175 of pen, easy pen this tank like panther 1

[rose thicket]

But that's a M4A2E4, not a M4A3E2

[blissful osprey]

Just go hulldown smh

[rose thicket]

Yep

[solid gate]

same tank as the image you sent

Wait, the tier 5?

[rose thicket]

Yes, so it's not the same tank

[solid gate]

I didn't see it was tier 5, tier 6 has almost the same name, but the tier 5 dont have good armor

[blissful osprey]

The lack of communication here is just concerning. It's like you two were talking to whole other people

[hollow notch]

Lol

[solid gate]

Tier 5 has a turret that even tier 4 penetrates

[rose thicket]

Yes, but the Jumbo isn't in WoT blitz as well if I'm not wrong