vehicles-discussion

[balmy compass]

What do you like in tanks

[nimble topaz]

k

[exotic fog]

👍

[nimble topaz]

is su 122 54 any good? how bout vk 45.03.... I can only afford those tanks 🤣 😂 😭

[nimble topaz]

👌

[exotic fog]

Mmm I’d wait to spend

[thorny smelt]

Just wait. As for VK 45.03, just get the Tiger I or Porsche Tiger instead

[nimble topaz]

👍

[nimble topaz]

👌

[sage vector]

what is the best tier VII light/tank destroyer?

[violet timber]

Type 62 or Kunze

[queen hamlet]

I really liked SP I C

[sage vector]

is spic good ( i called it spic lol)

[queen hamlet]

I mean it has 10mm of armor on front of the hull, but it is fast enough and has great gun in my opinion

[sage vector]

ahh ok how about tank destroyer maybe anyone know it?

[queen hamlet]

Tier 7 is good su152, jagdpanther, st emil isnt bad

There is plenty to choose from, these are the ones I liked and remembered, there could be more good which I didnt play yet or didnt like too much

[thorny smelt]

Derp? SU-152
DPM? JPanther and AT7
Godly gun depression? Sturer Emil
Armor? JPanther and AT7

[queen hamlet]

Jpanther could be counted as armored in tier 7 and 6

[thorny smelt]

Against tier 8 though is different

[queen hamlet]

Thats why i didnt mention it

[thorny smelt]

Unless it's JPanther in WOT PC then it is not that armored anymore

[balmy compass]

E 25 👍

[misty wing]

you can't talk about the jpanther without talking about the T25 AT tbh

[plucky summit]

False

JPanther lacks a cupola, therefore stays solid when using GD

[copper swan]

until enemy uses prammo or flanks it

[plucky summit]

Tell me, does T25 AT stay solid when the enemy does those?

That’s my point

[copper swan]

cupola exists

[plucky summit]

You're literally helping me

[misty wing]

Wait why does the jpanther have 215 pen now

[nimble topaz]

at7 has good armor except for the big cupola LOL.... i say at8 (tier 6 its better :/ )

[misty wing]

At 8 was garbage last time I played it

[royal coral]

Jpanther combines good gun and mobility with some decent armor that can bounce if lucky

I did 7.2k and 6 kills but lost to a one shot tiger p

[misty wing]

The armor can be pretty reliable against same and lower tier tanks if hull down

[royal coral]

Any heavy or Td will most likely pen but is effective against meds and lights

[thorny smelt]

Ho-Ri, YOLOwagon

[past fractal]

AT-8 has an ok gun, and armor works against low tiers, but anything with 210+ pen, yeah, ur paper

Also easy to outtrade. SU-100 loves to slap you with HEAT, and SU-152 even more with its 250 mm pen HEAT

Speed is a big downside. Medium or light gets behind you, you are dead for the most part

[misty wing]

last I checked SU-100 doesn't have heat

[past fractal]

The 122 mm on it has

Its standard APCR and premium HEAT

[past crane]

It used to be AP/APCR until update 7.4 I believe, when the ammo was changed along with the pen.

[sage vector]

any light tank ?

i saved my money on alt for this (only researchable tank)

[umbral hamlet]

vickers light

[solid gate]

I think the IS-8 is too weak. It would be worth giving him a buff.

[umbral hamlet]

it's definitely not meta, but it can still be a good tank if you forget that it's an heavy and play it as a medium

[solid gate]

@umbral hamlet They were taking my speed unnecessarily. The armor is almost nothing. And it's too slow for medium tanks.

[umbral hamlet]

if you really think it's too slow, sacrifices one repair kit and use a speed boost to improve the p/w ratio (but imo it's not necessary, the p/w ratio is already great for an HT)

[cold badger]

Can someone help me with the st-I i just feel like its rlly slow i have a 37% winrate in the tank

[misty wing]

Why doesn't the 752 have charms 😔

[spark basin]

people have the 752 already?

[modest ocean]

Is it worth to grind for 60tp i heard people complain about ammo rack 💀

[odd cove]

640 alpha and turret armor make up

[misty wing]

It has 600 alpha, not 640

[umbral hamlet]

it's really good if you know how to not get flanked

[exotic narwhal]

What is the best to be my first Tier 10 HT?

[violet timber]

IS-7 or 60TP

[slow moat]

btw is the scepter good ?

[violet timber]

It’s about as good as the M-3 yoh afaik, so it’s decent

[slow moat]

thanks for the info

[scarlet kernel]

With a red camo

[balmy compass]

Blue camo looks better imo

[faint axle]

@violet timber wz 113 :)

[violet timber]

What about it?

[balmy compass]

Chinese

[violet timber]

I know what it is, I just don’t understand why they felt the need to @ me

[plucky summit]

Maybe they think 113 is definitely a top-tier starter line, like any completely reasonable person would

[faint axle]

@violet timber why? 60tp and is7 no win 1vs1 113 better

[violet timber]

1v1s are useless. Also, the 60 and IS-7 whoops the 113s butt in a 1v1. 60 and IS-7 have good grinds, and are the two strongest heavies in the game at the moment

[faint axle]

Nope :)

Is7 King of ammorack 👽

[strange thicket]

cringe

[violet timber]

And you’re still wrong. Ammo racks are a direct result of player error. It’s not the tanks fault.

[queen hamlet]

Speaking of ammoracks, this was my first shot of the game

[violet timber]

Besides, 113 ammo racks are in worse places than the IS-7s

[queen hamlet]

Sensitivity plays huge role in ammoracking

[plucky summit]

WZ-113 king of not turning 👽

[violet timber]

It’s literally a boat

[plucky summit]

If he’s gonna play the meme battle, I’ll beat him at his own game

[valid gale]

Honestly it’s a block of soap

[exotic narwhal]

Is E 100 good to be my first Tier 10 Tank?

[umbral hamlet]

you'll need to aquire some angling experience to play it properly

is7 or 60tp would definitely be better choices

[hollow notch]

What
What is the line that leads up to it other than angling experience

[umbral hamlet]

on tigers and e75 you don't need to angle the turret, and the lower plate is generally quite strong, aspects that e100 doesn't have

[exotic narwhal]

Thanks

[sweet whale]

I hate tier 9 and every tier 9 tank is so painful to grind stock and the teams are just monkeys 98% of the time. Also all my pref. matchmaking battled were wasted as defeats. Imo defeat pref. matchamaking battles should totaly not count. Im playing M5 Yoh btw

I think i wanna commit not being alive (kidding not really)

[sweet whale]

Tiger 2 has lower plate as strong as upper plate. Totaly balanced

[sweet whale]

The yoh has so much potential but i just can make it work

[balmy compass]

If you have problems with fighting Tiger II switch to prammo 💀

[past crane]

The turret sides and hull sides are also not the strongest.

[balmy compass]

At least it can sidescrape

[solid gate]

my best (most wins) tank is T1 heavy tank

[violet timber]

Makes sense

[radiant beacon]

I'm probably going for a is-7 or a is-4 and I have no clue which one i should choose so does anybody have any tips for me or which one you prefer?

[solid gate]

T-62a or obj 140

[violet timber]

IS-7 has a better grind, and is the better tank

[violet timber]

62A, better tank as a whole

[solid gate]

👍

[radiant beacon]

@violet timber yeah, I looked at the grind and I have to admit the is7 grind looks funnier. Thank you

[violet timber]

👍

[shell robin]

I wonder if i should get the IS-7 and be with the Soviet bias meme

[violet timber]

The better question is why don’t you have it yet? The thing is stupidly strong

[balmy compass]

I have every German tank in the german tech tree now but I dont have any russian tech tree tanks

[clever ferry]

Do the IS-4 and IS-7 have same playstyle?

[solid gate]

110 better than is 3?

[thorn hound]

Always has been 🔫

Actually no, look at the 110's massive cupolas

[solid gate]

Is the turret of stock is 8

but the is 2 is a little better from the front, only the sidescraping is kinda bad

[violet timber]

No

[solid gate]

is it a good tank?

[queen hamlet]

Idk if it is good but I like it and would defo like to have it in my collection

[solid gate]

I'm going to check on internet

[violet timber]

It’s not bad, just keep in mind you have no armor

[queen hamlet]

I mean I fell like its similar to tier 7 swedish tech tree

[clever ferry]

how is the Is4 different? apart from speed

[violet timber]

Armor and gun

[solid gate]

ok so I'm going to step back from the other tanks

[clever ferry]

how would armor change playstyle though, you still have weak spot on both lower plate sections and a strong turret

[queen hamlet]

Is7 has better armor then is4

[violet timber]

The IS-7 doesn’t angle, can be more aggressive, and has a harder hitting gun with less penetration. The IS-4 can angle better, has a gun with more pen, and works better holding a position

[clever ferry]

so it's best to position your armor head on with IS7?

[violet timber]

Yes, that’s the strongest position for a pike nose

[clever ferry]

I see, I just got the ST-1, just curious how the next tank works

[violet timber]

Just angle up, use your pen to butter through anything

[clever ferry]

aight, rn I'm just using it hull down like I did with the other IS line.

[brave heath]

new tank scepter has garbage armour for its teir(VIII) 8)) (new prem tank)

[violet timber]

It’s the same as the M-3 yoh

[brave heath]

no were near it it gets pened by everything letterly everyhitng

[violet timber]

It is literally a copy

ctrl + C. ctrl + V. The same thing.

[tropic lichen]

Kranvagn or Maus ?

[violet timber]

Maus

[brave heath]

lol

[misty wing]

I really like the kran a lot, the autoreloader helps with discipline

[blissful osprey]

The IS-7 is faster, so it can abuse any times it can exploit. sidescraping doesn't work well with the IS-7 due to the fact angling anything on that pikenose weakens it; the IS-4 doesn't have a pike nose, but it still has these weird "cheeks" on the frontal part of the hull that can get penned from a sidescraping position, but it's small and rather hard to hit at times.

[viscid talon]

Why does the excelsior have such little armor for a tier V heavy?

[misty wing]

because it's basically a fat cromwell

[viscid talon]

without the fast

[balmy compass]

Sounds alot like T14

[blissful osprey]

At least the T14 has an angled UFP, and a pretty ok turret. The Excelsior can't say the same.

[violet timber]

Miner? I don't believe that's a tank in game

It's just called the Gravedigger. Also, it doesn't need a nerf

[blissful osprey]

Then why didn't you just say "Gravedigger" then?

[hollow notch]

I love the stb

standard b

[thorn hound]

I love the T-34, best American tank IMO

[balmy compass]

The first version of the T-34 is a great med

[solid gate]

what one

hm

[thorny smelt]

You mean T34?

[hollow notch]

Yes, the type 34

[blissful osprey]

Should probably mount Refined gun on the E5 instead of VStabs...

[nimble topaz]

Should i buy obj. 752? I have 4k gold... And two containers costs 4k with an extra container.... Send advice lol... It has drop rate of 4% not bad i guess?

[solid gate]

Did they lower the front armor of the is 6 in the bast few months or is the obj. 252u that much better that is makes the is 6 feel like a toy?

[odd cove]

idk

[nimble topaz]

Notice meh

[odd cove]

up to u ngl, it's a good tank with it's 2 shot

[nimble topaz]

How many times did it took u to buy containers until u got the tonk?

[misty wing]

you will not get the tank with 4k gold

[nimble topaz]

T^T

[violet timber]

Don't try it, you don't have enough gold for it to be worth it

While the 752 is a stupidly strong tank, 4k is most likely not enough to get it

[misty wing]

I bought like 4 crate tanks and every time except for one (the skoda) I had to go to the charms limit before I got it

[odd cove]

i dont have it so i dont have a proper number to say, but ive faced it many times, always forgetting that it has that 2nd shell. armorwise, it's a solid and typical russian heavy

[misty wing]

why don't you have a habit of assuming that something with an oscillating turret has an autoloader

[odd cove]

too focused on that lower plate

[acoustic galleon]

No. Absolutely do not spend gold on crates.

[thorny smelt]

I'll just wait when it is sold in gold or $$$

[acoustic galleon]

It could show up in the auctions or Black Friday, probably best to wait till then.

(or just grind the Yoh if you want 2 shot auto loaders)

[thorny smelt]

Black Friday, Cyber Monday, and Auctions

[mossy coral]

When are auctions usually?

[thorny smelt]

December

[solid gate]

what is the best heavy tank for a starter?

[thorny smelt]

IS-7 line and 60TP lines are quite popular. E 100 line is still relevant.

[solid gate]

E 100 is decent for starters?

[mystic sleet]

Yes, except the E-100 itself

[strange thicket]

^

[tawdry estuary]

got any tips on how to play Leopard PTA?

[copper swan]

free xp

[balmy compass]

Play it like Ru-251

[tawdry estuary]

flank enemies and get obliterated 10 seconds later?

[balmy compass]

Flank and pick off targets that are alone, unless its a TDS looking at you

[tawdry estuary]

my team is gonna scream at me

[balmy compass]

Its how I played the Ru and it worked for me

[exotic narwhal]

How to get the VK 90.01 H ?

[thorny smelt]

You mean VK 90.01 P?

[solid gate]

What line of td is better grille 15 or jagdpanzer E 100

[past crane]

Depends on your playstyle

[solid gate]

@past crane I like decent mobility with heavy armor

[shell robin]

Saving up for type 71 grind

[solid gate]

is the IS 5 good tank for farm

[violet timber]

Only if you don't have any other tier 8 premium

[solid gate]

i have KV 5

[violet timber]

IS-5 would actually probably be better than that

[solid gate]

KV 5 farms better?

oh

thanks

[abstract briar]

Guys how should I play with t44? Careful med? Pasive/spoting med? Or support heawies?

[abstract briar]

@solid gate you could grind for t110e5 because it is kind a fun and you experiece diferent kind of td playstyles, but hellcat and t28 pot are problematic, one has small caliber and is glass canon. Other one is slow and bad dpm. Rest of grind is normal/intresting.

[restive tangle]

Why is the kpf in a WW2 game

Also the kpf was a build of several countries not just Germany

It was the model before the abrams

[hard cedar]

because it's not really a ww2 game

[shell robin]

High tiers are mostly post war or cold war. There are other nations with foreign designs, like the US having the ram, UK having the sentinels, or Germany having a T 25, a Czech design

[valid gale]

Kpz was built by only two countries it also is not a direct predecessor to the abrams

[violet timber]

The KpfPz was the German variant. The American variant was called the MBT-70

And yes, there were differences, mainly with the engines.

[misty wing]

Ram and sentinels are under the Canadian and Australian flags now

[misty wing]

iirc only the American variant had a 152 though, the German one had a 120

[violet timber]

The plan was to have multiple weapon systems be able to be used so they could find the best one

[spiral hearth]

Unmmmmm someone can you please tell me how to use scorpion？

[shell robin]

But they don't have a dedicated tech tree

[misty wing]

Because they don't have enough tanks to fill one out. And that's besides the point, because you really can't say the US "has the ram" anymore

[valid gale]

It never mounted the 120 it was only drawn up

[graceful iris]

sooo i can buy tiger 131

but should i?

[misty wing]

No

[graceful iris]

from what i see its just kuro but a bit worse
and kuro is quite used in tours

[violet timber]

The only good tier 6 Tiger is the icebreaker. The Kuro is either used by people who don’t have anything else for tours, or who don’t know any better

[shell robin]

Not even weebs use it?

[violet timber]

Anyone in tours with half a brain cell can easily take care of a Kuro

[graceful iris]

alr thanks for help

so i better just wait for better offer and get cromwell B for same price or just save up for black friday

[violet timber]

The Cromwell B is pretty good

[plucky summit]

Or don’t play t6 comp 😊

[graceful iris]

yup. considered best T6 med by many

[violet timber]

I think the Hellcat is the best tier 6 med/light/td

[graceful iris]

true lol but its still good to have some good tanks in each tier

[plucky summit]

Personally, I think the Strv 74A2 is a solid choice, given the rapid 480 clip dump

It’s a decent counter to ARL spam

[graceful iris]

is it sold for gold tho?

[shell robin]

I'm surprised you don't think it's the best heavium

[violet timber]

No, that’s my beloved Thunder

[blissful osprey]

That points more toward the Ho-Ri line, honestly. They offer okay-ish mobility (still not the best, but what can you do), and pretty decent armor (albeit one that everyone just fires prammo at anyways). That being said, having "decent" mobility with heavy armor would just upend the whole meta-game, so you really can't have both to any considerable degree. Also, as an E5 main, Don't get the E5. It's been nerfed to the ground, and isn't the enjoyable heavium it was pre-nerf.

[graceful iris]

hellcat is the most flexible and versatile tank imo

[shell robin]

I couldn't get the hellcat to work

[violet timber]

It’s like a light tank, but with a turret that can bounce, and has stupid amounts of dpm

[blissful osprey]

If you want a flexible tank, just take the T29, give it Enhanced Engine Power Boost, and pray all you get are Tier VI games.

@shell robin It's more of a DPM machine, if anything. Got a good gun, nice damage, hella good fire rate (You'll never beat the Jg. IV though), nice speed, but a garbage hull traverse rate that makes you feel you're driving a Russian heavy. It also loses a lot of speed on those turns as well. Decent camo, made better by the fact you have a turret (which does have seemingly non-existent traverse), which doesn't reduce your camo rating unlike turning your tank does. It is indeed a versatile AFV, and one that's worth the grind.

[graceful iris]

20 seconds of flexibility lmao

[shell robin]

I guess. Su 100 was better for me

[blissful osprey]

Still pretty fast without it. And at it's tier, it still has ok hull armor, one that makes IS-2 players cry in their sleep,, pretty good pen, godly turret, very thicc tracks that will absorb shots. It's got almost everything except the LT's ability to not have a reduced camo rating while moving... though I suppose it wouldn't actually help much.

[graceful iris]

hull armor is actually horrible
it has good turret armor but hull armor cant really do anything against other heavies

[shell robin]

Well t29 is a hulldown for a reason

[blissful osprey]

It's not that bad. Sure, heavies and TDs will pen, but you have to admit: Almost everyone's penning each other's hull. It really does troll IS and KV-3 players, however. That's something you have to like, surely. And meds and LTs don't necessarily have the pen to go through the UFP.

[solid gate]

Should i cop this

[lyric oriole]

IT's not that good but if you are interested in Tiger it's not bad

[solid gate]

Idk im working towards the

Im tryna get my self the tvp

[blissful osprey]

Wait for another credit earner, then. Preferably Tier VIII, since that's where most of the good ones come from.

[solid gate]

i have a ton of credit earners.. LOL

[blissful osprey]

Then use them. The TVP won't just magically appear in front of you. You have to prove yourself first.

[misty wing]

why do you have everything pinned

[solid gate]

why not

[misty wing]

because it doesn't do anything if you just pin everything

[solid gate]

🤷

[misty wing]

so you're just wasting effort?

[pallid flame]

funni tank

Surprised I’ve got those medals on the first battle

[limber rapids]

Any of u guys got the tier 8 chieftain

[balmy compass]

Its a extremely underplayed and underwhelming tank, so super easy to get aces

[blissful osprey]

I pin everything so that all my tanks don't get shuffled about in the garage. It's pretty nice, seeing all the Tier Xs grouped up, then the VIIIs, the VIs, and so on.

[misty wing]

it does that automatically though

[balmy compass]

If you dont pin it does that automatically, first nation, then tank type

[blissful osprey]

Hasn't happened to me, somehow. I unpinned my K-91, and it apparently got grouped up with my Tier IIs.

[balmy compass]

Because your tier IIs weren’t pinned?

[misty wing]

because you still have everything else pinned, probably

[balmy compass]

Or your lowest tier is tier 2 (still pinned) so anything not pinned is put behind the pinned vehicles

[misty wing]

therefore, your unpinned k-91 will end up to the right of your lowest tier pinned tanks, which would be the tier 2s

[blissful osprey]

So that's what it was. Got it. I'm still keeping everything pinned, however.

[misty wing]

I have nothing pinned lol

I only have 72 tanks in my garage atm, half of which I never play

[pallid flame]

psps let me have fun in the tiger

[past owl]

Como se usa a blindagem do tiger1

[odd cove]

?

[ornate moss]

8=D

[clever flower]

Can someone please give me a tip for the T-34-85?

[odd cove]

use your speed, snap shot, you will get troll bounces but dont rely on it.

[exotic narwhal]

Which tank should i take to be my first Tier 10, T110E5 or M-VI-Yoh ?

[copper swan]

M-VI-Yoh

[blissful osprey]

Yoh. The E5 isn't very good, which as an E5 main, I hate to admit, but it's true.

[mellow ledge]

i have e3

[blissful osprey]

Pretty decent tank. Think it got buffed sometime back. One of the few nice things to come out of the E5 nerf aside the M48 buff.

[mellow ledge]

i also have m60 but dont know how to play it. im trying to get good at the ho ri

i have a few blues as well, like churchill gc, t150, etc

[solid gate]

Should I get the e5 first or the m6 yoh?

[mellow ledge]

yoh is kind of annoying to play against imo

[blissful osprey]

Yoh, I explain above.

[solid gate]

Oke

[exotic narwhal]

Thanks

[misty wing]

Did wargaming give up on the 268 V4
It started testing the same time t100 did, and there's been like 6 tanks that started testing after it

Also, has anyone seen this tank in testing or heard anything about it

[manic carbon]

It’s not uncommon for a tank to be tested and then be unreleased for a long time. The Kampfpanzer was released recently, but that tank was tested a year ago.
Or the 50TP Prototyp, which was tested but not released through the clan event until nearly a year later.

That tank is currently in testing still, has been for a few updates

[misty wing]

Interesting, I've never run into it
Unless you mean like closed tests

[strange thicket]

which one the v4 or the 274

[manic carbon]

274 is in live server testing still, version 4 was tested several updates ago and has left testing

[misty wing]

Are any of the Japanese heavies testing besides the type 71 and the tier 8 one (idr the name)

[manic carbon]

No, for tech tree lines what happens is that the tier ten gets put in testing. The rest of the upcoming tech tree line doesn’t get tested on live servers, Wargaming tests them internally and when ready puts them on open test

[misty wing]

I see. Does that mean the type 57 is a premium, since it's getting open tested?

[manic carbon]

It’s a premium counterpart since I believe when the line was revealed, the tier 8 was the chi se

Also for clarification;

Live server testing : unreleased tanks given to testers by Wargaming to drive around in the live game server

Open test : where you go on a separate test server Away from the main game and test new tanks, features, balance changes etc. you usually sign up via the ru forums, but sometimes Wargaming opens it up to others, such as with the New aiming system open test that was done not long ago.
You can talk freely about the things on open test

[blissful osprey]

Yet another Russian MT. Is this really the extent of their creativity? Surely other tanks of other nations could've used a new premium.

[misty wing]

Tbf there's not that many Russian mediums, most of the Russian spam is through heavies

[blissful osprey]

Well, T-44-110, T-54 mod. 1, T-44-85, T-34-85 Victory, T-34-85 Rudy, STG, Loza's Sherman, Object 907, T22, T-34 Shielded, Matilda IV, KV-13, A-32, T-28 mod. 1940, and the Triumphant. Yup. Not a lot of Russian MTs.

[misty wing]

And how many of those are even close to relevant, or even in a relevant tier

[blissful osprey]

Well, now that you mention that... But you also said there wasn't a lot of Russian MTs. That implies there wasn't a huge roster of them to begin with, which is obviously wrong.

[misty wing]

The Soviet Union had a huge tank program with lots of prototypes, so it makes sense that there's more of them in game. But how many of them really see play, compared to the spam of IS-style heavies?

And the tanks that they release have nothing to do with creativity. Most of them are based on real blueprints or models, so blame real world militaries if you have a problem with the tank designs

They've made things like the vickers, Ho-Ri, and Japanese heavy lines, so no, this isn't the extent of their creativity by any means

[livid moss]

Centurion or FV301?

I'm super confused

[blissful osprey]

What I meant by that is the fact it's yet another Russian MT. I doubt they need it, honestly. Other nations could use a premium.

@livid moss Vickers. It's fun, and actually has a decent turret. The Cent line is pretty good, though the FV as a turret that's both very easy to pen and very trollish.

[livid moss]

Ok?

[misty wing]

So what tank do you propose be added as a tier 8 premium then

[livid moss]

But Vickers hp low

[blissful osprey]

I don't know. It just doesn't have to be yet another Russian MT. There's probably something deep in WeeGee's sekrit documents.

@livid moss Uh, what? That's literally one of the worse reasons to not like it. It's not like the Cent's HP is any better. Whaddya expect, Maus health?

[livid moss]

No
Maus is a big behemoth

[blissful osprey]

What's this then? What do you want with that HP?

[livid moss]

Low hp dies quickly

[blissful osprey]

You know what? Never mind. Get the Maus, and begone with MTs and LTs.

[misty wing]

Then you really shouldn't even be considering lights and meds
Go grind the VK 72

[livid moss]

Ok fine I'm dumb

Happy?

I should have took alecto instead of Matilda so there would be no confusion and go to tier X and get the most powerful tank

[blissful osprey]

Wait a sec. You were trolling me, weren't ye? Darn.

[livid moss]

No I'm not

[strange thicket]

the deathstar is far from the most powerful tank
i would argue that is 60tp or is7

[solid gate]

Most powerful tank is t100

[hollow notch]

Until it gets slapped around by any heavy tank.

[dense adder]

I have been seeing that new GSOR tank lately. It has a 2 shell magazine and each shell deals around 400 dmg. Pretty good if you ask me, but its paper and I dont think it has a good concealment

[violet timber]

Here’s the stats

[strange thicket]

looks pretty nice

[violet timber]

It may lack a real prammo shell, but 260 standard is more than enough

[dense adder]

Ow man, it has HESH. Then it deals around 900 for the 2 hesh shells. And then I was wrong about the concealment. Its pretty good (but still paper!!)

[strange thicket]

yeah it is paper but looks decently mobile with a very nice gun

[violet timber]

Kinda low p/w but good ground resistances to counter that

[strange thicket]

what tier is the tank
nvm it is 8

[dense adder]

8

[violet timber]

99% sure it’s tier 8

[strange thicket]

yeah the HP is a dead giveaway
premium HESH is plenty fine in tier 8 😋

[dense adder]

Yeah. Like Charrioter. But that got nerfed and now its not the best

[hollow notch]

Lol
Pre nerf charioteer was such an interesting balance decision.

Let's give a HE proofed light tank with 10° of depression 4.2k dpm

[opaque jewel]

e wargaming should remodel the tiger 131 too look more like that

[balmy compass]

The only difference I see is the late Tiger model cupola

[opaque jewel]

and the wheels have 1 less row of road wheels on each side and the tool details ar missing and the front tracsk on hull

[opaque jewel]

compare this with this it uses basicly late hull

and turret with fiffels

[blissful osprey]

He's just a kid, probably. Let him think what he wants. That, or he's trolling.

[hollow moth]

Let's make a comparison between two premium based in tech tree tier VIII hull down heavies: Scepter and Emil 1951. I'll judge 'em in 6 aspects: Armor, speed, mobility, damage capability, precision and agility (mobility stands for how mobile the tank is, and agility stands for how agile the gun is). No equipment and provisions used.

In therms of armor;
Emil stands with solid 190 - 210mm almost everywhere frontally without using it's gun depression, which isn't very useful at all for a heavy, it can go up to 280mm if you're using the whole 10 degrees of depression
Scepter is way weaker in the hull, as some parts of the front can go to 90mm, meanwhile only two spots on the hull are barely impenetrable due to extreme angles. The turret is incomparably stronger too.
+1 for Scepter

Emil have a max speed of 40km/h and 20km/h backwarda, and the nice hp/t of 13.3.
Scepter accelerates way faster with 14.1 hp/t, but fails at max speed, 35km/h max and 16km/h for reverse.
+1 for Emil due to how fast if comes to the max speed.
There still more 2 comments. The comparison continues.

[blissful osprey]

I'd rather take acceleration than top speed. At least I'm getting to the speed I want faster.

[hollow moth]

Emil in one second can turn 29.20 degrees in hard terrain, which is impressive for a heavy tank, the Terrain Cross capacity is also extremely good with a solid 87/80/52
As for Scepter, it turns way slower with 26.08 degrees per second, but runs faster in road (meanwhile slower on everything else), it's terrain cross capacity is 95/70/45
+1 for Scepter. "But why? Emil 1951 is superior!" Yes, but Scepter has reserve tracks". It literally runs even when permatracked.

Both of them share the same alpha, 310/260/350, but Emil has a superior penetration and more gun depression.
Emil 1951 uses 230 for AP, 270 for APCR and 53 for HE, as for 10 degrees of depression.
Scepter uses 225 for AP, 253 for HEAT and 50 for HE, as for 8 degrees of depression.
Even tho I prefer HEAT over APCR, APCR is superior against spaced armor.
+1 for Emil

[hollow notch]

Heat over apcr? What kind of clown talk is this

[blissful osprey]

Going 5km backwards, and only in one direction means the most you're doing is backing out of what little cover you have.

[hollow moth]

HEAT barely doesn't ricochet. I like it.

[hollow notch]

Heat barely pens

[hollow moth]

It does well in my 268 🤡

[blissful osprey]

I suppose it's due to auto-ricochet angles.

[wise moth]

HEAT >>> APCR.

APCR is hot garbage

[blissful osprey]

You sure you're not firing Gargoyle HEAT?

[hollow notch]

Ho ri>t110>heat trash

[balmy compass]

Jageroo has HEAT

[blissful osprey]

I think lark's firing Gargoyle HEAT.

[balmy compass]

Besides doesn’t HEAT get more added pen with calibrated shells rather then APCR?

[blissful osprey]

They do. +10% instead of the usual 5% AP and APCR shells receive.

[balmy compass]

I dont see how HEAT hardly pens

[blissful osprey]

Spaced armor stuff. It also doesn't normalize, though that matters little since it only gives the shell a small pen boost. It's not that noticeable.

[balmy compass]

Then dont shoot a Sheri with HEAT

[hollow notch]

Tier 10 is 99% angled armor

That's a 40mm pen difference in favor of the heat getting outdone.

also showcasing the trashness of the 1115a prammo

[valid gale]

It’s worse than the is7 apcr they also forgot to code it to not have pen loss over distance

[blissful osprey]

It only has 303mm HEAT pen. So that can't really count in my opinion.

[misty wing]

Normalization is massive

[hollow moth]

Now continuing,

Emil has a solid 5 second of aim time, which I think it's kinda meh for it's caliber but equipments can save you a lot of time. You also have 0.356 of dispersion, which again I'd say is pretty meh for a 105mm gun
Scepter, on the other hand, actually is more precise. 4.7 of aim time (which isn't a big difference, but hey, it's better) and 0.338 of dispersion and this actually does make a good difference in a medium-long range fight.
+1 for Scepter

By agility, I'll be talking about turret turn rate, reload (because I forgot to talk about it on damage capability) once again gun angles.
Emil has a very nice set of 14/-10 which is the wet dreams of any hull down tank. You're hardly going to look up anyways, so what mostly matters is gun depression. You've got a 22.52 of reload of the clip and 3 seconds of intraclip. The turret also moves quite fast, 28.16 degrees by a second.
Scepter has just the average gun depression for hull down tanks; 18/-8. It's good but nothing that shines a lot. It does reload faster the whole clip and have a better intraclip, 22.05 or reload and 2.73 of intraclip. The turret move if waaay slower, probably because of the weight, 26.07 degrees by second.
+1 for Emil. making it a draw, unfortunately.

[balmy compass]

What does normalization do? I dont know

[misty wing]

I found that out after playing the 122 TM with 203mm APCR which feels like half the pen of a panther II with 203mm AP

APCR makes even the 0-47 hard to pen

[blissful osprey]

Sorta angles the shells towards a 90% angle with the armor it wants to penetrate, I believe. It's reallt a matter of preference, imo. HEAT usually pushes for brute force over everything, while AP and APCR use normalization to their advantage.

[balmy compass]

Normalization is chance to not bounce?

[misty wing]

No, it artificially reduces the impact angle of the armor you're trying to pen

[valid gale]

HEAT acts like an “injection” in the most simple way to explain it AP pretty much is brute force

[balmy compass]

Ah I see now

[blissful osprey]

No, it's the shell trying to shift towards a 90 degree angle with the armor.

@valid gale What I mean is that in-game, most of the time, HEAT relies on having so much more pen, hence what I said about "brute force" (maybe like somebody jabbing you with a needle?), while APCR and AP use normalization more than having a ton of pen.

[hollow notch]

Normalization is the amount that the angle of the shell hit changes (favorably) it's for the penetration calculation
HEAT/HE= 0°
APCR= 2°
AP=5°

[balmy compass]

Does normalization effect armor highlight?

[blissful osprey]

If it's a draw, why'd you give the Emil a point? That's ridiculous.

[balmy compass]

He was going off of his other messages scroll up

[hollow moth]

If you don't considere the reserve tracks as an actual advantage, then it's a 4/2 for Emil 1951. Otherwise it's a pure draw,

Emil have a superior firepower, agility, mobility and also have a smaller profile, making it more medium like and also more versatile due to gun angles.
Scepter is more than 2x heavier for a reason, it has a massively better turret armor in trade of hull armor, as for slightly better reload and better precision. It does worse without proper cover in flat areas because it's hull is arguably weaker. On the end the main difference between them are armor, firepower, max speed and acceleration.

[balmy compass]

Scepter is twice as heavy because its more then twice as large as Emil

[hollow moth]

also the turret is massively stronger

[violet timber]

The scepter only accelerated faster on hard terrain. The 1951 has more effective p/w on medium, and since most maps are made of medium terrain, the 1951 actually accelerated faster most of the time

[acoustic galleon]

Scepters turret isn't that great.
With decent aiming you can butter those cheeks.

[hollow moth]

By acceleration I meant raw hp/t.

[violet timber]

That’s a terrible way to look at it because it is useless in actual combat. All that actually matters is effective p/w, and the 1951 wins there

[hollow moth]

Yes, but against Emil all you need to do is press 2.

[hollow moth]

Fair enough. Victory for Emil then. The reserve tracks and acceleration were the only things holding the point on agility factor. Reserve tracks alone are kinda of useless.

[balmy compass]

Reserve tracks are just a neat mechanic and gimmik for yoh tanks

[hollow moth]

I honestly prefer 1951 due to the max speed, but I must say that it's interesting to have an actual strong turret on a hull down tank.

[blissful osprey]

Not even that good.

[balmy compass]

Thats why it looks neat but doesn’t do much

[hollow moth]

I mean, why are you getting a gimmik on your track if you're supposed to only show your turret?

[blissful osprey]

It's not even that good. 5km isn't enough, and since you only go one direction you're most likely backing out of cover instead of into it.

[balmy compass]

I didn’t see anyone say it was good

[hollow moth]

That's useful in peek and boom situations, but Scepter isn't supposed to do it but to the horrible hull armor

[blissful osprey]

No it's not. the track thing doesn't even work in practice.

[violet timber]

I’ve been saved maybe once by the reserve tracks

[midnight hemlock]

yo is the AC IV sentinel considered quite rare?

[violet timber]

Not really

[balmy compass]

Its not played much

[acoustic galleon]

They should make the reserve tracks like the ones on PC, that way they will be actually useful.

[past owl]

What is the best german tank fighter line?

[past crane]

Blitz isn’t PC.

[violet timber]

Are you asking for the best tank in the German line, or the best tank to fight against the German tech tree?

[past owl]

the best tank of the german line

[violet timber]

Probably the E50M

[past owl]

but I want, tank hunting

[violet timber]

Do you mean tank destroyers?

[past owl]

Yes

[violet timber]

Well there is no real best here, it’s just wether you prefer armor and mobility

[past owl]

Line of the E100 or grille 15?

[violet timber]

Jageroo has more armor, grille has more mobility

[past owl]

I'm thinking of taking the nashorn

What is your choice in these two lines?

[violet timber]

I personally prefer the Jageroo, but that may be different for you

[past owl]

I like a lot of armor, makes shooting easier

I see people using the SU-152 a lot

[tepid geyser]

SU-152 is an excellent td, that's why

[past owl]

I'll take the jageroo line myself

[solid gate]

alr

when is the 268 version 4 getting buffed

[violet timber]

Why would it be buffed?

[solid gate]

Look at its current stats and armor profile and youll see what i mean

[violet timber]

It’s like a Maus. It sacrificed everything else for an insane armor profile. Except it has a high alpha gun to boot. It’s fine.

[solid gate]

Armor profile isnt as good as u think and unlike the maus it cant be angled to be more effective cause if u angle the sides the front gets weak and if u angle the front the sides get weak (against prammo shells) and its gun is sht compared to the other tds other than alpha

[violet timber]

You have to fire prammo at it, which instantly lowers your dpm. That gives it so much more effective HP, and even then you might not penetrate it, giving it even more survivability

It is actually one of the more balanced tanks right now, it does not need a buff, not every tank going in needs to be impenetrable and have good mobility and have a gun that can penetrate everything with 1,000 alpha

[solid gate]

yea but were paying real money for this tank and if u compare it to the 263 than tell me why i should get it over the 263

[violet timber]

That’s the best part, you don’t have to get the tank. You’d get it over the 263 if you want something more survivable and with more alpha at the cost of mobility

[hollow notch]

263= no turret.
Already a turn off
No hp pool.
Gun depression.
Even accuracy isn't stellar.

Ew
Maus all the way

[balmy compass]

Wild

[blissful osprey]

It combines the alpha of the 268, but gives the tank an insane armor profile like the 263. It definitely doesn't need a buff.

[violet timber]

It has more alpha than the 268

[valid gale]

Is it still planned to get reactive and etc

[blissful osprey]

What

[valid gale]

268 had reactive armor planned for it I don’t remember if reticle was among it

[keen mantle]

ok I took way too long to hop on the swede tanks

aced the emil 1 😆

[timber bronze]

nice

[jovial stone]

the tiger 131 dropped in the store should i get it or save for the christmas auction thing

[blissful osprey]

If you really want it, then you should get it.

[timber bronze]

your choice i suggest you save for auction

[blissful osprey]

Then why did you ask

[keen mantle]

they didn't?

[blissful osprey]

They did.

[misty wing]

it was the other guy who asked

[real quarry]

So uhh this stupid thing still exists....

[misty wing]

what's so stupid about it

[boreal spruce]

i love its ufp vaues

[real quarry]

690 AP Alpha,the Armor Strength,600 Premium Ammo Alpha and 800 HE Alpha. It has the BEST Armor of any Tier 10 TD,really good Reverse Speed slightly less HE Damage than a normal 152mm but MORE AP AND PREMIUM AMMO DAMAGE

TL;DR: OP Armor,better AP&Prammo Dmg than normal 152mms and has great reverse speed with better HE Alpha than the Foch 155.

Granted it's still in Testing, but that doesn't mean much because WG might Buff it or Nerf or not do anything to it at all until after they Release it in Stores if it's a Premium/Collector

[boreal spruce]

its a beast in PC, very vulnerable to wolfpacking though imo.

[graceful iris]

That's where you're absolutely wrong

Just because people pay money for it doesn't mean it should be broken.. sadly wg doesn't understand this but come on, you should

[blissful osprey]

It's still rather good. It combines the values you'd like in the two TD lines into a single vehicle. It's rather solid.

[real quarry]

So, ONE Tank requires on average several others focusing it simultaneously? This game has 7 Players on either side maximum. If a Tank is so good it wins so many 1v1s it needs 2-4 other players tunnel-visioning it to beat it then that Tank has sacrificed all Stats but 1 or 2 to be stupidly good in 1 or 2 areas or that needs a massive Nerf.

[graceful iris]

It's literally impenetrable

Gun is pretty bad. Accuracy sucks and mobility is also meh (not sure about mobility). But you don't need accuracy when literally nothing can pen you even in close range. Dpm is average and HE shells are quite bad

It definitely doesn't need a buff. Armor should even be nerfed imo

[boreal spruce]

it is in testing and it seems WG always heavily nerfs the premium tanks once they are ingame. I woulndt worry about the stats yet, it will be suitabily nefed. (like the obj752)

[misty wing]

approximately how much free xp do I need to get the type 71 instantly

[boreal spruce]

37.5k gold, = 937500xp = the amount of free xp you need for any tier 10 tank.

Fun Fact: (thats why WG sells 37.5k gold instore and not 40k becasue 37.5 is the average amount you need to get any tier 10 TT tank)

so to answer your question about 850k or 35k gold.

[real quarry]

At least around 200k minimum. Probably around 300-400k, maybe 500k-600k if you have none of the Japanese Tanks researched already

[sage vector]

is tiger 1 good? and also how do i played it i kinda wanna understand it.

[misty wing]

it's different for every line though, is that an average?

[boreal spruce]

yep 800-900K

[misty wing]

I feel like that number is all the way from tier 1 and possibly counting full modules

[boreal spruce]

yep, if you take the T110E3, and just count the fxp you need to get the tier 10 (ignoring mosules you dont have to have) its 740k

[misty wing]

alright, I have like 720k saved up right now so I should be good

[boreal spruce]

yep, that should be alright.

[nimble topaz]

what should I buy with the diamonds I've collected? It seems that i cant reach 30k diamonds with fighting only but i dont want to spen my boosters cause ye.... and they say scepter is bad :/

[balmy compass]

scepter is a fancy M III Yoh, if you want it then get it, if you cant get it I suggest just buying crates

[nimble topaz]

i finally got the pz iv s -O- btw... i havent tried it in battlefield thou cause mathmaker hates me and doesnt want me to lose nor win :/

ok @balmy compass

[solid gate]

its still much worse than the 263

[remote kindle]

Give the Pz.BBQ the ability to burn the tank on his side

[misty wing]

?

[blissful osprey]

A poor reference to either the Grille, or the side armor of the Pz. IV S; the former being a play one the word "grill," and the latter having side-armor that look like the trays on a grill. Quite nonsensical, but still.

[wide sigil]

Opinions/tips on this mfker? Im liking it a lot but it’s pretty weird with the play style. I hate the hull armor on it 😩

[blissful osprey]

It should actually be the MBT-70, which was America's version of the tank. The problem is, whoever was in charge of implementing this vehicle decided "Hm, let's just use German modules (minus the gun: that's American)." So long story short, what you have in-game is basically WeeGee being jerks to the US and not giving them the vehicle despite it using their gun (Had it truly been the German model, it would've used a 120mm gun).

Basically, what you need to do is treat it like an American heavy. Little hull armor in exchange for good turret armor. Going hulldown is key.

[violet timber]

Basically hulldown, pop up, slam someone for a lot of damage, and use your maneuverability to surprise people

[wide sigil]

gotcha. thanks boys. i wonder if they used the german name to make it somewhat exotic or something. would be sick if there were both versions

[violet timber]

The gun was not the main difference between the two tanks. They both mounted the 152mm. The main difference was actually the engine

[blissful osprey]

I'm pretty sure the Germans said no to the 152mm and decided on a 120mm gun. Will check, however. I do know the engine differed for sure, though.

[balmy compass]

You should buy gun rammer/calibrated shells

[wide sigil]

shiet ok will do. forgot to buy equipment lmfao

[violet timber]

Yeah the 120mm was never mounted, ever. Only the 152. The only real difference was in the engine

[nimble topaz]

pz iv s -O- is good but is easily ammoracked... i got ammoracked on my first match 🤣

[blissful osprey]

There's this, but it's Wikipedia. It seems that we're both wrong, in a sense. They did plan a 120mm gun, but it was mounted on a wooden mockup. They still tested it, however.

[violet timber]

Afaik not even a wooden mockup was made. They may have tested the gun, but it was never implemented onto the tank.

[blissful osprey]

I guess.

[violet timber]

So, after doing some research, the Keiler was the tank that would eventually turn in the Leopard 2K, and then the Leopard 2. The Keiler only ever used a 105mm gun, while the 2K used 105mm and 120mm guns. This means that a 120mm gun was never put onto the MBT-70/KpzPz 70 chassis

[misty wing]

Isn't the Keiler the E75 RT

[blissful osprey]

So I was wrong. I apologize.

[violet timber]

I'm not quite sure where the Keiler name came from for the E75 Rt, that's a mystery. There is also another Keiler that is used today as a mine flail though.

@blissful osprey Don't be sorry, we all learned a thing or two today

[valid gale]

The disagreements was on measuring in reality the Germans were fine with the gun minus the atgm feature and planned to swap it for the upcoming l44 anyways but because the project was continuing to become problematic and too expensive they pulled the plug and focused on leopard 2k

[misty wing]

Why did America switch away from 155 to 152 anyway

Trying to be compatible with enemy calibers?

[valid gale]

The kpzs engine would be inherited even by the leopard 2 family however

The 155 was on the paladin most likely had to come up another gun to meet demands

[radiant coral]

There were prototypes tho which used the 120mm

[violet timber]

Prototypes of what?

[radiant coral]

making the 120mm to be an autoloader canon ish

[violet timber]

I'm not sure which tank you're talking about

[radiant coral]

KpfPz70. They experimented around with the 120mm Glattrohrkanone

[violet timber]

the KpfPz 70 never mounted a 120mm. They may have tested the gun itself, but they never put it on the tank

[blissful osprey]

The 152s were designed around the Shillelagh missiles. At the time, it was considered ATGMs were the thing of the future, and whatnot. America caught onto this idea, and said "Hey, we can do that." While the Soviets were successful with their surprisingly expensive ATGM launching T-64s, America sorta...flopped. Their first canidate for the 152 mm was the Sheridan, which ended up not being so good. Too much recoil made the tank very, very jumpy, and some crew members, such as the TC, ended up breaking a few ribs here and there. Shells swelled in humid environments (as they did not use brass casings and were literally designed that nothing was left over from firing), and other stuff malfunctioned after firing, such as the sights that allowed the Shillelagh to be guided. So the Sheri failed, and they switched to the M60, which had most of the same problems. By this time, guns like the L/44 were already being introduced as NATO standard and the project was dropped.

@worthy leaf A modified version of it that was longer-barreled and "improved."

[radiant coral]

oh my fault for mispronouncing
Sorry

[worthy leaf]

Wasnt MBT 70 have the same gun as sheri ?

[violet timber]

Similar, but not the same

[radiant coral]

Both had the same gun, only the tank itself was different shaped iirc you can notice it on the hull

[worthy leaf]

Both have 70 in thier name
Check for me

[blissful osprey]

They used different engines, though I doubt the hull would have any noticeable changes.

[radiant coral]

It did - you can look it up 👀

[blissful osprey]

I have and I haven't seen anything different.

Probably the closest thing, but c'mon. This is from the War Thunder subreddit. This can't just be solid proof.

[violet timber]

So basically the only differences were the manufacturers. This is why they ended up with different engines and actually different autoloaders as well. The outside appearance, however, would be very similar if not identical

[radiant coral]

Basically yes, and it’s hella smexy

[blissful osprey]

That's what seems to be the case. Even if the picture above is what's the truth, I can't use this as concrete evidence there's any individual change with the tank's appearance.

[radiant coral]

You can see it on the hull that they are slightly different shaped

First is German version second one is American
Like in the WT pictures

[blissful osprey]

I really don't see anything. Also, I know which one is which.

[wide sigil]

Hahaha thanks for the tips guys

[valid gale]

American one has the star and literally says Us army on it the other one has the iron cross on it

[blissful osprey]

That doesn't change the shape of the tank's hull.

[blissful osprey]

I'm not seeing anything different here.

[valid gale]

The American one isn’t a flat ramp on the side unlike kpz

[violet timber]

That’s basically just a “manufacturer’s choice” sort of thing

[radiant coral]

That and the exhaust exist on the KpfPz70 for some reasons idk why-

[blissful osprey]

It's not that noticeable. In essence, the hull barely changes, because if anything, that could be a cosmetic choice.

[valid gale]

Its more than a cosmetic choice if the mbt doesn’t have the two rear external fans while the KPZ does

[blissful osprey]

Well, how am I supposed to see that?

[valid gale]

You literally showed it in the warthunder models

[radiant coral]

Wait there were two ?.. i thought only that one at left side

[blissful osprey]

I have no reason to trust them. Unless there's any photo of the tanks irl having such a noticable change, I'd be satisfied.

[violet timber]

War Thunder has very, very Good Models

[radiant coral]

Compared to Blitz 🗿
(They really do)

[blissful osprey]

I still don't trust them completely.

[violet timber]

I could not for the life of me find any real top down photos, so have this instead

[radiant coral]

It would be sick if we could have the American version of it instead which fires ATGM just in fun modes like Sheri Missile does it

[radiant coral]

gosh dang, i’d like to see that in person one day

[violet timber]

It just flattens. Imagine it hull down, then without moving it’s just gone.

[radiant coral]

meanwhile WT: Lowrider

[balmy compass]

If you drive around flattened your gun would probably jerk at every bump 😂

[violet timber]

It has that iconic German target on the back as well, I love it

[valid gale]

For context on the third one

[radiant coral]

You can say what you want, but if that thing would have been a success and would have worked.. dang i guess it would dominate for some decades 💀

[worthy leaf]

Both kpz and MBT 70 is hot tho
Sleek

[violet timber]

That’s the thing, they didn’t work

[balmy compass]

Nah bro the turrets are ugly

[worthy leaf]

The turret is bagguete

[radiant coral]

Wym the turret is what makes it unique

[violet timber]

Nah, those turrets are clean as hell

[balmy compass]

Yeah I can see that but it looks ugly to me (imo)

[violet timber]

Understandable

[radiant coral]

But then again if this project would not have happened.. there would be no Abrams and Leopard 2
In that case, win win situation

[violet timber]

Well there would’ve been a Leo 2 as that was a separate project, but the Abrams we have today may be different

[radiant coral]

For sure, that’s always what hooks me up about the story of it

[valid gale]

Germany did have back up plans to further redo the Kpz before they jumped the boat

[radiant coral]

As usual

[balmy compass]

Mount a bigger gun

[radiant coral]

no,
mone armor

[balmy compass]

both

[radiant coral]

P.1500

[valid gale]

Abrams might have not been built if Us kept powering through with the Xm803

[radiant coral]

:v — thinking about it more, more i guess it’s better how it is.
Both sides learnt something new from the MBT-70/KpfPz 70 use it as a base, took a few things out of it and combined them into new tanks, the other one has more armor, strong fire power on the other hand mobility, accuracy, they are near to excellent

[blissful osprey]

Cool.

[blissful osprey]

I doubt one would be more accurate over the other, but it would be close. That being said, if any Leopard 2s were mounting the new(ish) L/55s, then they should have more penetration, and in that case, better firepower.

[thorny smelt]

AMX 30B: Me?

[worthy leaf]

No

[blissful osprey]

Another thing to know is that the torque turbine engines provide at lower rpms are massive, which helps accelerate vehicles faster. And I guess that's what really counts in a combat situation: Actually moving at an acceptable speed. No doubt the two MBTs are great vehicles, however.

[graceful iris]

tbh it's not a bad thing that tech tree is better than p2w collector/prem

But you're actually wrong. 263 is a good tank but 268/4 has much better armor. That's what makes it op. It also has best alpha for 152mm

[misty wing]

Is no one gonna talk about how the kpf 70 tried to fit the whole crew in the turret, which resulted in the driver frequently getting dizzy

[blissful osprey]

No.

[odd cove]

never

[thorn hound]

Is KpfPz a rubbish tank? If not, how do you play it?

[blissful osprey]

It's not.

[thorny smelt]

As a support heavy

[odd cove]

hull armor is meh

[blissful osprey]

It can perfectly work as a frontliner as long as there's a hulldown spot it can abuse.

[blissful osprey]

VStabs or Refined Gun on the E5?

[nimble topaz]

what's the best tank duel in tier 8?

and DANG.... Obj 752 is so strong.... good thing my team aint brain ded 😮

[blissful osprey]

If you want replays just go to #replays.

[odd cove]

wym by "best tank duel"?

[nimble topaz]

i mean two same tank in a platoon... like 53tp and 53tp as a platoon

srry i dont know the correct word 🤣

@blissful osprey @odd cove

[odd cove]

two heavies, med and td, two lights, two meds

[nimble topaz]

i know but which same tank is the strongest in platoon??

[strange thicket]

i disagree

[odd cove]

depends on what you mean by strongest

[strange thicket]

probably T32

[nimble topaz]

but that doesn't have armor 😦

[odd cove]

^

[strange thicket]

what? t32 has the best armor in tier 8

[blissful osprey]

You... You... Why you...

[nimble topaz]

this one? uhm idk... it can be pen easily by 53tp

[misty wing]

tanks that had a bad reputation in the game's early days can never get rid of it no matter how many changes they receive it seems

[strange thicket]

most newbs don't know how busted the T32 is, not even newbs. people are just clueless to how busted the T32 is

[blissful osprey]

Dead center of the plate.

[odd cove]

the turret is solid

[strange thicket]

T32 has the best armor in tier 8
53tp ain't got nothing on it. especially in a hulldown fight.
@odd cove and the upper front plate is strong too lmao

[misty wing]

people still think the VK A and B are bad for some reason

[odd cove]

yea

[blissful osprey]

If you don't even think the T32 is "great" then what exactly are you doing here? Reflect on yourself for 3 days on why you have said what you have said and once you come back, maybe you can start asking questions here.

[nimble topaz]

oh mk... I just 1v1 a t32 on a hulldown fight thou... 😦 probably he has trash aim that's why he cant shoot my cupola 😦

[odd cove]

and your sides can eat up HE and ap shells because the tracks come up to the hull (classic american design)

[strange thicket]

VK A is very fun actually
B seems to be really really strong rn
my opinion of the vk72 remains unchanged though
i guess the consumables gave it a bit of an edge over E100 in something finally

[blissful osprey]

Even the UFP on flat ground has like 246mm average thickness.

[misty wing]

I found B to be a pretty strong tank even without tungsten

[nimble topaz]

😂 👍

[odd cove]

lol write an essay

[blissful osprey]

Two.

[misty wing]

Panther II is another tank that is unreasonably hated on imo

[blissful osprey]

And then there's the E5. Sigh, my poor waifu favorite Tier X couldn't escape WeGee's wrath.

[strange thicket]

you can never pen the t32 in hulldown
however the opponent can try to shoot your cupola or other parts of your tank.
it got outstanding armor, okay mobility with speed boost to get into positions, and sandbags if you want even more durability and decent stats all around. it literally got no drawbacks but the mobility but they gave it the superspeed boost anyway so that isn't much of an issue

[nimble topaz]

👌

[strange thicket]

panther 2 is just bland with nothing special really

[blissful osprey]

Probably why it's hated. The same thing goes for the T32. It's so good it's bland with nothing special except a few followers who know its true power.

[misty wing]

almost every tier 8 medium has a 220 alpha gun with 5.5-6 seconds of reload tbh, I don't see how panther 2 is more bland than the others

[plucky summit]

Because it's a sluggish box

[blissful osprey]

Well, that's their problem. they just do.

[strange thicket]

LOL ^
that is one funny way to describe it

[plucky summit]

There's no niche, that's why people hate it

[nimble topaz]

does the game has this turret for panther?

[misty wing]

that's the stock turret in game

[blissful osprey]

And then there's VTU. Actually, I haven't seen anyone talk about the TVP VTU. How is it?

[nimble topaz]

oh... okay...is it a better turret thou? even if it is stock ?

[misty wing]

no

[strange thicket]

i haven't played it personally but it is def not as bland as the panther 2

[plucky summit]

VTU actually has a special gun

[blissful osprey]

?

[plucky summit]

It's a 105mm, that's literally already something different
Great accuracy too

[misty wing]

I can't think of a single stock turret that has better armor than the top turret tbh

KV-2's maybe, since it has some weirder angles

[plucky summit]

Totally not KV-4 😳

[blissful osprey]

What's funny is that you don't need to mount the top turret lol

[plucky summit]

Is it invalid to claim such?

[misty wing]

I would say the top turret is better, it's basically immune to the pramo of lower tier tanks and the actual pennable area of the cupola is about the same size

[plucky summit]

With the stock turret, you gain the ability to sidescrape on your right side without your cupola ruining you

The cheeks are smaller, therefore harder to penetrate

[blissful osprey]

WRONG

The KV-4 looks better with the stock turret, therefore your claim is invalid. Hmph!

[misty wing]

what are you smoking, the top turret looks 10000x cooler

[blissful osprey]

Not with that weird cupola on top.

[plucky summit]

Tankenstein proceeds to be the ugliest abomination with KV-4s turret*

[misty wing]

I think cupolas look sick tbh. #bringbacke5cupola

[strange thicket]

looks silly tbh lol

[plucky summit]

The KV-5 must be your wife

[misty wing]

it reminds me of a battleship with superfiring turrets

[blissful osprey]

Can we all just admit that the ST-I looks ugly no matter what you try to do with it? Stock turret, ugly. Top turret, looks like someone's head's been swelling until it's ready to explode.

[plucky summit]

M103 is ugly too <3

[copper swan]

at least it hulldowns well with top turret

[blissful osprey]

gasp How dare you. My M103 is the most beautiful thing on the planet. Except E5, but that's another story.

[misty wing]

E5 looks like a heavy version of the M41 bulldog

[plucky summit]

I wish I could still defend my beautiful Lowe, but Keiler is coming

[blissful osprey]

You deserve it after saying the M103 looks ugly.

[odd cove]

lmao

[misty wing]

The Vz. 55 is the coolest looking tier 10 and you can't change my mind

[plucky summit]

M103 is ugly

<3

[blissful osprey]

Take that baaaaaaaaack

[plucky summit]

Unfortunately for you I just made a meme

[elfin grove]

I think it's cute

[blissful osprey]

No.

[misty wing]

cleveland?

[odd cove]

oh no mle high rolling so much

[plucky summit]

@odd cove 620 is avg for HE lol

[blissful osprey]

What about it?

[odd cove]

never specified HE 🙄

[plucky summit]

I'm gonna edit that for you

@odd cove neuron activation for seeing the number "620" should have

Also AP can't roll that high 😎

[blissful osprey]

Think it's a magnum she's holding.

[odd cove]

not when i low roll 400 in it

[plucky summit]

Still, HE is the only way to roll 620 on-shot

[blissful osprey]

Pssst: FV 183 AP (It uses AP right?)

[plucky summit]

?

930 is special, but why are you bringing it up?

[blissful osprey]

Idk. Ok, back to admiring the M103. Which I uh, don't have in my garage apparently.

[odd cove]

f

[plucky summit]

I'd kiss the M103

But don't go nuts, I'd kiss any tank

[elfin grove]

Tank simp

[blissful osprey]

Why can't I? It is an M103 after all.

[plucky summit]

🤷‍♂️

[odd cove]

stb-1 tho

[elfin grove]

I'd kiss maus

[plucky summit]

Lowe be the type to make some perfect cookies and then make you go work out in the yard

[blissful osprey]

You lack class. Though yes, I'd kiss it as well.

[elfin grove]

Grandma?

[plucky summit]

Tough grandma.

[odd cove]

gEt oFF mY laWN misTEr

[elfin grove]

XD

[misty wing]

FV4005 is a sexy looking tank

[blissful osprey]

Ew

[elfin grove]

No

[odd cove]

^

[plucky summit]

You want hot tanks?

[blissful osprey]

Ew no give me an E5

[plucky summit]

I have over 200 digital tanks, you can't stop me.

I made the Jagdmaus E 50 II

[blissful osprey]

E5. Now.

[elfin grove]

Jagdmaus is to ugly

[plucky summit]

This is the closest I got

I only do tank combos <3
Dw I take requests

[elfin grove]

7/10

[blissful osprey]

Noooo what is this

[odd cove]

Tvagn E5

[elfin grove]

The Sheri looks cute

[blissful osprey]

Nooooo don't provoke them plss pls pls Nooooooooo

[plucky summit]

Busy editing you waifu

[elfin grove]

Can you do Sheri?

[plucky summit]

I said tank combos

[blissful osprey]

No, pls, pls, not my waifu

[odd cove]

sheridan with at1

triple d

[livid moss]

WhAt iS wAiFu¿

[blissful osprey]

Heck no. That's what makes Clevebro special.

Thanks.

[plucky summit]

Final™
Enjoy using it

@livid moss "wife"

[livid moss]

CaN aNyOnE tElL mE wHaT iS wAiFu

[blissful osprey]

What makes it different?

[elfin grove]

GoOgLe It

[plucky summit]

The lack of background is a flex, that's all ^-^
But feel free to ask for tank combos

[livid moss]

Ok

[blissful osprey]

T20 with... uhhh... 60TP gun? T21 turret.

[plucky summit]

Turret? Aight

[odd cove]

t21*
kv2 turret

[livid moss]

NoW i KnOw What Is WaIfU

[elfin grove]

Maus best waifu

[blissful osprey]

No it's E5.

[plucky summit]

Bask this while you wait

[livid moss]

HuMaNoId CaT iN aNiMe WoRlD
WaIfU

[elfin grove]

E5? Why

[blissful osprey]

Because superior waifu

[elfin grove]

Mmmmmmm THICCCCCCCCC

[blissful osprey]

That reminds me. I need to buy the Rebel camo for her sometime soon.

[plucky summit]

It has a cannon

It's a male <3

[odd cove]

sus

[livid moss]

LoL

[elfin grove]

Show me

[livid moss]

Then FV4005 is a pro in || thing||

[elfin grove]

Also M10 wolverine is also a best waifu

[livid moss]

Ok bye lemme go install camouflage in my cannon 💀

[blissful osprey]

I apparently don't have my mastery match saved. Whatever. She's still the best waifu. Here's this.

[elfin grove]

I want my m10 back I miss her so bad 😞

[blissful osprey]

Er, uh, no.

[blissful osprey]

Nice.

[elfin grove]

Someone got a picture of M10 wolverine?

[plucky summit]

As requested @blissful osprey

Taking no more for tonight, I have class tomorrow

[blissful osprey]

wao

[plucky summit]

Well, I mean, requests can be made in DMs and I can do it later, or in the channel of my server

[elfin grove]

Yep I simp to m10 wolverine now

[misty wing]

I prefer the Panther/M10

[plucky summit]

Pull your pants up my guy

[elfin grove]

Both are cute

[plucky summit]

Then get some, ez pz
El bozo deleted message

She will blow your head off

[elfin grove]

Nahhh she's mine :) and I love her

[blissful osprey]

Who?

[plucky summit]

I'm not gonna play your dumb game

[elfin grove]

Fox M10 and panther M10 are both sexy and cute

[blissful osprey]

Honestly I don't know. Bonnie's the one that's gone Azur Lane player on us.

[plucky summit]

Ye

[elfin grove]

-_-

[misty wing]

fun fact: Caernarvon had a "centurion action X*" turret for a couple updates a few years ago

[blissful osprey]

I'm not wrong.

[elfin grove]

You don't have to expose me like that baka

[blissful osprey]

You exposed yourself.

[umbral hamlet]

they tried to make it good giving it a good turret, but it kinda failed so they gave it retard op dpm

[elfin grove]

-_-

[blissful osprey]

I mean, sounds about tight for Brit HTs.

[elfin grove]

I just want her back that's all I ask for.

[umbral hamlet]

oh sure

[plucky summit]

Stop.

[elfin grove]

😨

[blissful osprey]

You're going to make him do something, so better stop now.

[plucky summit]

Good, that means he'd fall out of the mood quicker

[elfin grove]

Tsundere detected

[blissful osprey]

Azur Lane players don't act that way. Why I know? Let's just say this: I've been tainted, too. Heh.

[elfin grove]

I don't even have that game

[plucky summit]

I see that

Thank goodness I'm not

[blissful osprey]

You will soon.

[elfin grove]

Nah

[elfin grove]

I'm not into those games

[plucky summit]

Stop acting like you can be ._.

[blissful osprey]

Daily reminder that the Maus has more DPM than the E5 smh

@elfin grove Genshin? GFL? Arknights?

[elfin grove]

https://c.tenor.com/pa5lEm0m7lgAAAAM/triggered-springtrap-triggered.gif

[plucky summit]

Cringe.

[elfin grove]

Why are you convincing me

[blissful osprey]

As an AL player, it's my job.

[elfin grove]

AL?

[misty wing]

I play genshin so I'm totally okay with gambling on crates in blitz lmao

[blissful osprey]

... Well, you're not wrong.

[plucky summit]

Lol, I'm an Alabamian, so seeing AL instantly caused neurons to fire in my brain

[misty wing]

I had a friend when I was like 5 who moved to Alabama for some reason

[elfin grove]

What is AL?

[plucky summit]

Azur Lane LOL

[plucky summit]

Before you make the same old joke, in order to trigger a southerner, tell them instead that their grandma can't make a good peach cobbler.

It doesn't trigger me, but it's better than the other one

[blissful osprey]

Those jokes are overrated. I jut think they exist, I exist, and I'd never know of their existence.

[elfin grove]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BadLeafyLark-max-1mb.gif

[plucky summit]

Alright, good night

No offense but waking up earlier for my college classes are more important than our convo here

Happy to do more tank combos for tomorrow, just lemme know in DMs or whatever. Just make sure it's a ping that I can go back to

[blissful osprey]

No. E5 better.

[elfin grove]

Give me a good God damn reason why she is more better and prettier and sexier than maus

[blissful osprey]

She isn't an angled brick.

[elfin grove]

0_0

[misty wing]

https://tenor.com/view/erika-girls-und-panzer-itsumi-erika-gif-21051842

[blissful osprey]

She's curvy, and if you're kind to her she'll do whatever she wants for you.

[elfin grove]

Like what

[plucky summit]

No. Stop. Stop that.

[blissful osprey]

She'll shoot at stuff. It's not that hard. I guess she'll fight off the annoying stuff that won't stop bothering you.

[plucky summit]

Shoot me

[elfin grove]

#respect

[blissful osprey]

Meanwhile the Maus gets bullied in corners by everybody with better form than her. Except the FV 183. Maybe.

[plucky summit]

Stock ARL 44:

[acoustic galleon]

Only because you've selected gun rammer on Maus and not on E5.

[plucky summit]

Exposedddd

[blissful osprey]

Oh no. My waifu. Oh God, I'm so sorry. Oh no oh no oh no.

[elfin grove]

E5 are you that better?

Deez

[blissful osprey]

She doesn't look like the side of a barn, the E5.

[elfin grove]

Ive been all a lie maus was a lie

I forgive the E5.

[blissful osprey]

Good, good.

[elfin grove]

Is she German or American

[blissful osprey]

What

[elfin grove]

Yeah is she German or American

[blissful osprey]

Well, she's American. She is the last of the single-shot USN HTs.

[elfin grove]

I should probably get her then before she's removed

[blissful osprey]

Probably.

[elfin grove]

Imma get her then

OMG she looks sexy 😍

[blissful osprey]

Perhaps.

[elfin grove]

I can't find her!!!!

[solid gate]

b r u h

<@&481447501690568709> please help?

[calm inlet]

y'all need to find a different hobby

[solid gate]

anyways

what should i research first: Ho-ri or JagPZ, E100

[nimble topaz]

hori = mobility
jageroo = armor

@misty wing am i right?

[misty wing]

Not really, Ho Ri is a little bit of everything + pen. Jageroo is armor + alpha

[blissful osprey]

The Ri's closer to an armored Grille, if anything.

[nimble topaz]

👌

so pick ho ri then LOL

[misty wing]

I recommend the ho ri

[blissful osprey]

Ho-Ri's just better. People are going to pen you anyways.

[solid gate]

ok thanks

[blissful osprey]

No problem. Probably. Maybe. Maybe not.

[nimble topaz]

At first, 53TP is just to hard to use cause its just slow (I mostly tanks that have good mobility like t54 ltwt, amx 50 100, any other meds and lights).... and another thing is its reload.... 15 - 18 secs?!?!? are u kidding me? but when I platooned with another 53tp (his very experienced player with 60+ wr)... its a game changing...my wr is increasing again... i now learned how to use 53tp.. my only problem is dealing with the vk heavies and tiger 2 and im still not used to sidescrape causei dont do that on paper tanks...

How to deal with maus line and e100 line?!?!?! I cant do clutch 🤣

[blissful osprey]

Are you running 100% crew?

[nimble topaz]

85% something like that....

[blissful osprey]

Running any food?

[nimble topaz]

yes.. i have provisions...

[blissful osprey]

Can I see? Take a screenshot.

[nimble topaz]

let me dm it

[past fractal]

I have ISU-152

Fun tonk, but do u guys have any tips?

[vital hare]

https://tenor.com/view/tiger-tank-gif-25057624

[vital hare]

dunno im currently at su-85 so cant really say anything about it

with heavy tanks with good frontal armor however always face your front to an enemy at an angle because angling is beautiful especialyl with tiger 1

[graceful iris]

Thoughts on game carrier and soviet t28 1940?

[glacial kiln]

This tank look unique

German destroyer that never make a prototype

[calm inlet]

@timber peak
comparison of vanilla and the reshade

[timber peak]

That's basically fog Off💀

[calm inlet]

i did turn off fog on my PC. but there's also sharpness and pseudo ray tracing with extra saturation in the first pic

[timber peak]

Pseudo ray tracing sounds nice but idk if my 1050ti could handle that much

[calm inlet]

ill grab a pic on my phone w/o fog

its similar but the colors and light sources dont pop as much

i can really turn up the saturation on my PC but eh, i prefer it to look realistic

[timber peak]

Well on the phone looks sort of bland

[calm inlet]

yeah

boring

[timber peak]

I'll try and see if Nvidia hue thingies will run smooth on my laptop

[patent shuttle]

is sheri missle coming back

[violet timber]

Eventually

[balmy compass]

T28 mod 1940 sucks alot (imo) 5 degrees gun depression and paper armor everywhere

[mighty kestrel]

vents or cali?

[balmy compass]

Dunno, I would suggest cali, vents dont do much

[violet timber]

I don’t personally own the tank, but imo Cali as you need to make every shot count

[vital hare]

holy crap i have an idea

og kv1 prototype either as a new gun module or new kv1 tank altogether and in here i can implement my idea of having double guns work, since the kv1 prototype has both a 45mm and 76mm gun they both should work like a worse autoloader, you first choose which caliber you shoot now for example you shoot the 76mm gun first, it then would shoot but however once you shoot the 45mm gun next it would have low pen and damage considering its a 45mm gun

[violet timber]

It would probably act more like the Maus where only one gun is useable

[vital hare]

rip but tbh thats my idea to have double guns work as a slightly worse autoloader because of the different gun calibers, one shot has more pen and damage to the other and all that

speaking of maus the double gun mechanic can be put on that but of course the coax 75mm would have less pen than the main gun
less damage too

[balmy compass]

That would be weird and confusing, and the second gun on the Maus would probably have to load prammo for everything except lights

[vital hare]

true but even with a crap 75mm the coax can sitll help disorient enemies. because sometimes enemies bouncing rounds off you does weird stuff to the camera

[balmy compass]

Nothing happens to my camera when I bounce shots

[vital hare]

i also have a weird idea

give the sherman and another tier vi module but with the calliope rockets as its prammo, basically a sheridan rocket but low tier lol

[balmy compass]

Unguided missiles, yes lets explode everything

[violet timber]

How about no, we don’t need artillery in the game, especially rapid fire artillery

[balmy compass]

KV-2 but it shot you 10 times in 4 seconds

[vital hare]

actually it wont be arty, it would fire like normal tank rounds but missiles but with more dispersion because missiles are prammo

[violet timber]

It would still be rapid fire, large caliber HE shells, which we don’t need.

[vital hare]

yup nevermind scratch that idea off because it has over 102mm of pen and we dont need a tier 5 p2w american kv2 that shoots faster

[balmy compass]

Its a nice idea but I dont think it can be implemented properly here

[vital hare]

yup but i still have hopes about the dual gun bit where you can use all the cannons on your tank except for mgs

[violet timber]

The calliope was made for anti-infantry/Bunker busting purposes, throwing it against other tanks is absolutely overkill

[vital hare]

for example the char b1

it has a 75mm gun that can be used to aim like a td and its other shot is a turreted 47mm gun but with less damage and pen because 47mm

[violet timber]

A lower caliber does not always mean lower damage and penetration

[prime sage]

Which one should i grind for?

[violet timber]

Well do you want a medium or heavy?

[prime sage]

im more into speed so I pick medium

[violet timber]

Do you want an autoloader or auto reloaded?

[prime sage]

what is the difference

[violet timber]

An autoloader loads All of the shells at once, and only reload Once you fire all the shells. An auto reloaded reload one shell at a time, and can only fire one or two shells then reload the whole clip back

[prime sage]

il pick auto reloader

[violet timber]

Then go for the P.43

[prime sage]

it haves a auto reloader?

[violet timber]

It doesn’t, they come later in the line

[prime sage]

ok thanks u for the help

[past fractal]

Yup, thats true, Panther’s top 75 mm has almost as much pen has T29’s top 105 mm, except it having less overmatch ofc

Panther’s 75 mm also outclasses IS’s 122 mm by a lot

[violet timber]

Penetration mainly comes down to shell velocity and shape for kinetic penetrators.

[wispy crypt]

Hey guys, is Tiger II more fun than Tiger I? Will it last longer in battles?

[past fractal]

I’d be happy if you get destroyed in your Tiger II, just saying

[wispy crypt]

WDYM????

[violet timber]

Tiger 2 is stronger tier for tier than the Tiger 1

[wispy crypt]

I meant against equally strong tier VIII tanks

[violet timber]

Yes, that’s what tier for tier means

[wispy crypt]

Ok got it
Thank you! 🙂

[civic iron]

it was only a minute into the game...

[exotic narwhal]

What is the best Light Tank in this game?

[balmy compass]

For tier X probably T100 LT

[fast compass]

There's also the Vickers but yeah t100lt is pretty much up there

[fast flax]

xd

[trail orchid]

So I got the object 752 ,(got it twice in 5 crates) what's thoughts in that I like it

[violet timber]

Very, very strong.

[modest ocean]

I didn't know lt 432 can be that fun

[drowsy osprey]

I love swedish tanks!!!

Erik & lagos and etc

[brave hill]

Hello, what do you guys think about buying t34 for 5.5k gold

[plucky summit]

Taking tank combo requests

[balmy compass]

IS-7 turret with Panzer II J gun on a Mk. 6 hull

[plucky summit]

👍

[balmy compass]

cheap offer for a pretty good tank, just mind the upper glacis plate is weak for T34

[plucky summit]

@balmy compass

[balmy compass]

nice lol

[graceful iris]

beautiful.

what about jageroo hull with UE gun

[plucky summit]

Unfortunately that will cause a few problems, which means the tank will looks worse off, but I can if that's what you really want

[graceful iris]

let me think of something else then

[plucky summit]

It helps that the gun is ≥ the gun it's replacing, as well as the turret ≥ it's replacing

Yup, stitching them together

[graceful iris]

how are you doing those btw? just editing and putting different tank parts on eachother?

oh gj

what about.. VK90 hull with maus turret but vk90's gun

[odd cove]

vindicator gun

[plucky summit]

I'm not sure I can do that, unless the turret was mounted on the middle part (it's too long to replace VK 90's turret position)

[graceful iris]

understandable

what about other way around? maus hull with vk90 turret

[plucky summit]

Turret is not ≥ the turret it's replacing, so you will see some ugly editing on the hull in order to get rid of the Maus turret

[graceful iris]

ah alright

[plucky summit]

So this shall be your final edit of your request?

Oh and what gun? @graceful iris

[odd cove]

grille

[plucky summit]

You may make a request of your own, this is is for The Rock

[misty wing]

Conqueror hull with fv4005 turret

[plucky summit]

Gun?

[misty wing]

Just keep the 183

[plucky summit]

"keep" "183"

O k a y.

[graceful iris]

nah its fine. dont bother if it needs a lot of editing lol

[misty wing]

4005 in blitz still has a 183mm by model, even if they made it the badger's gun by statistics

[plucky summit]

Suit yourself 🤷‍♂️

@misty wing

[past crane]

Wtf

[solid gate]

Tiger 131 hd model when

[wild spoke]

the mle 45 is really good for peekaboo

[misty wing]

The 54 is, not so sure about the 45

[keen mantle]

I've already gushed over the emil 1 but holy I've aced it twice in 23 games

1700 blocked 0 damage taken xd

[tepid fiber]

T34 or T95E2?

[craggy haven]

T34

I hope WG buff T110E5 and FV215B soon

[violet timber]

T34

[boreal spruce]

get the t34, decent gun, awesome pen, and a nice turret, map dependant though

[blissful osprey]

The one you play best in?

[boreal spruce]

🤯 🤯 🤯

[balmy compass]

Wild

[blissful osprey]

How long it lasts in battle is up to you. How much fun it is is also up to you.

[blissful osprey]

Honestly, I find questions like these dumb. Sure, you can say the T100 LT is OP, but that doesn't mean it's the best, because best is subjective, and it varies among different people.

[keen mantle]

something can be both blatantly overpowered and completely incompatible with your preferred style of play at the same time

[boreal spruce]

im more half and half,
the question should really be
"What is the most newbie friendly light tank."

[blissful osprey]

That still depends on what qualities you like best in a tank. Though yes, it is a good question, as the answer to that can still apply to a lot of players.

[boreal spruce]

👍

[misty wing]

Best is not subjective unless multiple different tanks are tied for the best, in which case it is up to personal preference

[violet timber]

The T-100LT is hands down the best light tank at tier 10. That's just how it is

[misty wing]

^^

[blissful osprey]

But is it the best for you? It may be, or it might not. That's why I see it as subjective.

[violet timber]

It doesn't matter if it's the best for me, it is just the best in general. Period. End of story.

[blissful osprey]

Agree to disagree?

[violet timber]

Sure

[blissful osprey]

Awesome.

[violet timber]

Thing is, there will always be an objective best tank, even if it doesn't work for everybody

[misty wing]

No, there is always an objective best and a "best for x player". When people ask for the best tank, they are referring to the former

[blissful osprey]

Anyways, I've found VStabs to be unreliable on a tank like the E5. It already aims fast enough during moving anyway.

[misty wing]

Vstabs is only for meds and lights imo

[violet timber]

Nah, Vstabs works for most tanks, it keeps your aiming circle smaller while moving so you don’t have to aim in as much. It works better than refined imo

[blissful osprey]

I find that the E5 doesn't need it much. It's already decently accurate without, to my experience.

[misty wing]

Why are you talking about the e5

[violet timber]

I prefer it because you’ll be moving back and forth while hull down so keeping your circle smaller is better

[blissful osprey]

Because it's my favorite.

@violet timber Perhaps, except I don't do that (as much as other E5 players do). It's already hard enough to pen an E5's turret, and if you raise your gun to block what little cupola you have, they can't really fire HEAT anymore, which limits their options. One thing I'm not truly a fan of in it is sidescraping. Most of the time, the enemy just drives to a 90 degree angle anyways and crits your ammo racks.

[boreal spruce]

tru, the side amour is not the best.

[violet timber]

You do have weak cheeks, moving back and forth mitigates this

[blissful osprey]

It's not that weak. I haven't been penned much there. Most people just give up and try to go through the cupola. Unless it's a Jageroo. Then they just load HE and smash up your gunner.

[violet timber]

The cheeks are pretty weak, people just don’t know to aim there. It’s not that hard to hit tbh, unless the E5 is moving back and forth

[blissful osprey]

Well, that's the E5's advantage nowadays. It's so unassuming, they don't expect someone to do good with it.

[violet timber]

I just prefer vstabs because staying mobile is always better than sitting still, and vstabs are better for moving more