vehicles-discussion

[blissful osprey]

Better than the E5. Still a good tank. Unlike the former, the IS-4 didn't get hit as hard with the nerfs.

[radiant coral]

Basically yes but apparently that’s not the way

[balmy compass]

OBJ 263 built to yolo

[final vapor]

Okay, thx

[radiant coral]

Back then yes, now in this meta and timeline of Blitz no

[blissful osprey]

No problem. It's not like telling you it's garbage or anything would do anything particularly useful, and I'd be lying as well.

[balmy compass]

WG should just make a tier 7 prem built for yolo, giant alpha, horrendous reload, fast speed, paper thin armor and low HP

[radiant coral]

Why do you want to give me nightmares about an anni-yolor-nutz with a tripple shot gun driving right into me

[blissful osprey]

The playerbase would complain, because they aren't capable of coping properly, and the fun would be ruined by a set of hard nerfs.

[balmy compass]

Or maybe a Leopard (tier V) type gun instead of giant derp cannon

[balmy compass]

Thats true

[graceful iris]

Yup. But It can still do well. It's overshadowed by most other heavies but it's still not absolute garbage

True. T10 is kinda balanced but eh.. there are still tanks that are just way better than others

[radiant coral]

that’s WG changing the meta in the last years

[balmy compass]

Hard to keep a game balanced when you keep adding new tanks, mechanics, consumables, along with buffing/nerfing old vehicles

[blissful osprey]

19.44 degs/second isn't good. It really isn't. I have experienced times where I missed a shot because my finger moved the tank slightly and the turret couldn't keep up to such a horrible degree.

[graceful iris]

Meta changes pretty much every year. And yes i know it isn't good lol

[radiant coral]

At least they keep it alive unless WaRpLaNeS lmao

[graceful iris]

Honestly they can do better job at balancing

[balmy compass]

Dunno, they dont seem to take the general community seriously about buffs/nerfs

[graceful iris]

Yup exactly

[radiant coral]

Yk they did that once

[blissful osprey]

Well, guess I'll see an E5 buff in the next 5 years.

[graceful iris]

Will we?

[balmy compass]

Watch WG buff the T100 LT 😂

[blissful osprey]

pffft no

[graceful iris]

yup. truth can often be disappointing

[radiant coral]

meanwhile in another universe
Reality can be whatever i want

[balmy compass]

Derp gun tank with 37cm cannon

[graceful iris]

considering previous buffs/nerfs, that could happen

[radiant coral]

Slapped on a M41 bulldog
Ah yes
That’s haaawt

[balmy compass]

With the accuracy of a Grille 😂

[radiant coral]

and the RNG of an KV-2
I guess we doomed

[graceful iris]

All i want is better balancing and f2p gup event including two new gup tanks they teased earlier

[blissful osprey]

Funny thing is, had the E5 simply not get nerfed the way it did, but rather removed the consumables, then the E5 would easily be a meta pick. It would be the prime medium killer and everyone would flock toward it. Of course, that meant the small E5 playerbase would get turned into a cancerous pile of idiots with no skill, but it would be fine. However, one thing I've noticed is that they never really give American vehicles a time to become "meta" the same way people view stuff like the IS-7 and the E-100.

[radiant coral]

real gup fan detected?

[graceful iris]

yes.

[radiant coral]

my man
@blissful osprey it can’t get worser than E-100 and 183 lol

I still adore the IS-4… hiding in the back and laughs while E-5 and Kran are suffering lol

[blissful osprey]

Well, of course it wouldn't, but I'd be okay with that. As long as whatever the hell the devs did with it is reverted, I'm all good.

[radiant coral]

I mean for you sure but man that would turn very bad 💀

[graceful iris]

Yup. Like, nerf really affected dpm. More than it should have

And e100 isn't really meta (in pubs maybe. In tours and cws, definitely not)

But american meta? Well, yoh exists

[blissful osprey]

I felt Yoh as weird. I really haven't seen many matches where it completely dominates. The IS-7 and others really have a hold on the meta game, you know.

[radiant coral]

Still u see way more Yoh doubles platoons than IS-7, IS-4 sure back then it was them but atm it’s like this.

[graceful iris]

Yeah is-7 has been meta for long time. But yoh and 60tp have been meta ever since they got released

Yoh may not "dominate" in pubs but in good hands, it definitely can. Especially in tours/cws

[blissful osprey]

Really? I haven’t seen many. Is this in ranked?
@graceful iris Well I hope it stays that way, honestly. The US could actually use a meta honestly. They’ve waited so long. Of course, it wasn’t without some sacrifices… T110E5

[radiant coral]

Well at least in EU you do in pubs quite often…
In rank.., i - i can’t tell it, haven’t touched ranked mod since some awhile

[blissful osprey]

Haven’t seen a lot over here in NA. That being said I usually run pubs

[radiant coral]

Guess just me who gets clapped in the booty by Yoh users 🤷🏽‍♂️

[blissful osprey]

It's probably you getting slapped around by the Yohs, it seems.

[rigid thunder]

eh the yoh is one of the best tier 10 heavies in the game, not sure what you're on

[blissful osprey]

I haven't seen a lot of matches in them. And after a short stint of the IX, I didn't really see anything special in it.

[rigid thunder]

you kinda see the strength of that line mainly on the tier 10, with the 3 shot gun. The combination of armour, speed, DPM and clip potential makes the tank very very busted when used correctly

[misty wing]

What new tanks did they tease

[blissful osprey]

Well, I haven't met a lot of Yohs in-game that weren't dogwater.

[rigid thunder]

to be fair most players of this game are indeed dogwater, and many are attracted to the 450 alpha 2 shot gun

[solid gate]

Add more PBR models in British tech tree please.

[drifting moon]

Ew 2 shot gun, 3 is the way 2 go

[rigid thunder]

exactly

[plucky summit]

I play the two shot, and I manage a 3k avg dmg pretty finely

[misty wing]

2 shot >>>>

3 shot isn't viable to me anymore after they changed the gun sound

[plucky summit]

LOL if sounds impacts your performance like that, sounds like a… :p

[misty wing]

no I mean it's just no fun anymore lol
I hate the smol gun sound

[balmy compass]

4 shot gun when

[scarlet kernel]

4 shot gun 90mm

[misty wing]

funnily enough 4x225 would also be exactly 900 clip damage lol

[plucky summit]

AMX 50 100 moment
Lorraine 40t moment

[violet timber]

I mean, objectively the 3 shot is better, but the 2 shot tends to work better for pubs if that makes any sense

[coral heart]

iirc the chezh medium tech tree T10 has a 4 clip gun

T VP something 50/51

[violet timber]

Yup

And technically the concavenator. It has 4 shots, but the clip is split into 2 shots of 2 shells

[coral heart]

well, but nothing beats gravedigger clip size lmao

[violet timber]

AT7 moment

Also VK16 Leopard moment

AT7 has a 10 round auto loader while the Leo technically has a 12 round auto loader

[misty wing]

iirc the t7 car had a 5 shot autoloader where each shot was actually 5 shells

[balmy compass]

With this logic Luchs is also 4 shot

[plucky summit]

Yes, T7 did dump 25 shots before 5.5, VI C shot 20

[balmy compass]

Sheesh, 25 shots must have shredded everything

[plucky summit]

Meh, probably did 150-200 damage, I forgot ;-;

[final vapor]

Wz blaze kinda fits, but turret isn't 360°, would be nice if it was

[coral heart]

in the past T7 and VI C dump tons of shot, but each one of the bullet have meh pen so they're only tickling at most

idk how it is now since I've sold it in the past for the gold and haven't recover it back yet

[coral heart]

Asking:
Currently I have 600k free exp, should I:
-Skip AT line grind and skip straight to 183
-Skip VK100.01 P and maushcen(I heard mauschen is quite pain to grind) grind and skip straight to Maus
-Skip the T6-7 of krangvan and italy mediums
-wait for the new japan HT
-save it for the upcoming event to exchange free exp for that T8 premiums
Which one do you guys think?

[lyric oriole]

No, no, maybe, maybe, no no no no no that won't get you close to the tier 8

[coral heart]

reason for each?

[lyric oriole]

183 isn't worth much and the AT tanks are actually decent now, VK 100 and Mauschen are actually good right now I have no idea where you heard that from.

Might be worth it for a speed up but not really bad tanks by any means.

It might be nerfed into oblivion and wasted better to wait if this is what you choose

And lastly

No

Just no

[misty wing]

why would those characteristics fit a tank meant for yoling

[past crane]

-Yes Mayo is right
The AT tanks are much better now, and the VK/Mauschen have been quite consistently decent for a while. Don’t skip the Leo in the Kran line but you can skip the Strv 74. Still a fun tank with a laser gun though. Don’t skip the Tier 6-7 of the Italian meds either, they’re fantastic.
I’d say use it on modules for tanks you don’t like grinding and maybe the Japanese heavy line if some of the tanks are bad. I’d still wait to see until they drop in about 2 months though. @coral heart

[coral heart]

okie thankies

any other suggestion on line to skip(that has bad grind on the low tier)?

[misty wing]

skip all low tier

[lyric oriole]

Nah low tier is fast

[past crane]

It’s not worth skipping anything really
Unless it’s a specific vehicle

[odd cove]

yea they give u the basic playstyle

[fast compass]

Well low tier mm takes too long so might as well skip to tier 6-7

[blissful osprey]

I was stupid and told myself I would not be the toxic bastard that would play these things when they came out. I am currently regretting that decision.

[solid gate]

The E100 is killing me from the inside
You could say that I have a skill issue with many tanks, but with time and practice they go away. Fv4202, t54ltw, KV4, E5 and so on. Learned to play well.
But the E100 is just pain. I have tried making sure hull and turret is always angled (Usually 30 deg) from incoming fire but that and everything else is failing and I'm just stuck with a tank that has an inherently large hitbox. I'm considering playing 60TP because it has everything the E100 has but it's a lower profile and can actually hulldown
I am open to any and every kind of advice

[blissful osprey]

Are you wiggling the turret?

[odd cove]

heat shells are your enemy with the e100 but you should always sidescrape and wiggle your hull and turret around that 30-45 degree angle

[solid gate]

Yeah. It works but to an extent. I was on that one map where the meds always cross river to look at C while A/B is in town. I had 2 meds on me and I bounced all their shots but couldn't shoot in return as I was wiggling. They caught on and just waited to trade. 2v1 so I tried to back out

[odd cove]

ur turret ring is also a weakness

[blissful osprey]

You were alone weren't you?

[blissful osprey]

That's pretty hard to hit at medium-long range.

[odd cove]

well i mean short and facehugging distance

[blissful osprey]

Why you'd want to face-hug anything, I have no idea.

[odd cove]

me neither

[solid gate]

2 other heavies with me. An IS7 and a IS4, they were about 50m in front dealing with heavies.

Also I think RNG is trolling me today. One minute no bounces and absolute farmed till lose. Next game, 4K damage + kolobanov. I'm taking a break and coming back with a fresh head

[blissful osprey]

You should've joined your heavies instead of trying to pick a fight with a bunch of meds. This is literally what they are trying to do.

[solid gate]

Is it better to buy su100y or 60tp legendary camo

[odd cove]

i read it wrong

[blissful osprey]

What's with the 10k silver.

[odd cove]

id still go 60tp anyway

[strange thicket]

ez, your problem is you are trying to act like some sort of maus.
E100 is a trader, it is not a maus. you are supposed to trade shots with Enemies and use your large HP pool
you sidescrape when you are on a reload to avoid getting shot

[solid gate]

Ok

[odd cove]

unless
u wanna slap low tiers hp

[strange thicket]

when you have a shot available, and you can outtrade the enemy, go for it.
if you don't have a shot available then angle your armor
only take shots if you are gonna shoot back for more damage
and manage your HP, don't just bleed it all out. @solid gate
E100 is not as easy to play as the rest of the line

[solid gate]

Lol i love both.
Is the su100y making good credits

[odd cove]

it's probably been a good year or two since i touched the su so i cant say lol

[blissful osprey]

Better off saving the gold on something else. Unless your silver production is really that bad as to only have 10k.

[valid gale]

It only does with premium time literally better off not buying anything

[odd cove]

20 mins of premium lmao

[solid gate]

Ok i will buy 60 tp krazkien
Thx guys

[odd cove]

try not to get ammo racked 👍

[solid gate]

Lol

[blissful osprey]

Where is the rack on that thing, anyways?

[solid gate]

It has 3 ammoracks

[odd cove]

on the hull below the turret and on the shell discard door and i think u could get ammoed through the lower plate

[solid gate]

Yes u can

[odd cove]

unfortunate but it's a good tank

[solid gate]

It is my favorite tier 10

[odd cove]

wg might have buffed it a bit idk

[solid gate]

I got ammoracked only 2 times

[blissful osprey]

Have you ever played the E5 before? Jesus, that rack probably wanted to get damaged.

[odd cove]

i dont think ive been ammoed before on the e5 but def had it on crit a bunch

[blissful osprey]

Ye, it never blew up but it always decided to receive crits.

[solid gate]

I made a bad call there yes, but it was either that or cross that 50m over a mini hill straight into the firing line of to JagE100s, who are also the same distance but were paralell to the IS tanks. Basically pinning me and a grille

[odd cove]

i did however ammo a t57 for 2000

[blissful osprey]

mm

[graceful iris]

gup churchill and jagtiger

[misty wing]

where did they show that

[graceful iris]

not sure but a lot of people have been talking about it, even meadsy or droodles made videos about them

oh and pz 3 as well

[misty wing]

send info pls

[graceful iris]

cant put links here, want me to DM?

[misty wing]

sure

[blissful osprey]

Jadg? Huh

[blissful osprey]

I doubt the Pz. III, however.

[coral heart]

yeah E100 is quite a pain indeed for me sometimes. If I see E100 and see no better target, I just load HE and slap him in the face. Don't care about the damage that goes in. I just love to make them feel not invincible

[graceful iris]

its been teased along with other two gup tanks but source is ehh, partly legit. droodles made vid about it but not sure if we can trust source. like 12 new tanks were teased but only one actually came after 6 months. maybe we should just wait more? who knows

[coral heart]

depends a lot if you can use it or not, and if you're uptiered or not

[blissful osprey]

Tbh I don’t trust most Blitztubers. There was all that Tank Company crap that clearly didn’t go anywhere despite Pantouf’s 2-3 vids on it.

[graceful iris]

they predicted amx cda 105 and super hellcat containers but eh.. a lot of info they leaked was denied by wg or just didnt come for long time. such as different weather conditions, frontline mode, several tanks, several camos...

[livid moss]

I researched the wrong tank now how can I get my 60 k back😭😭😭

Devs help me

[strange thicket]

and then they slap you back for 640 😜

[scarlet kernel]

SU-122-44 for 3.5k good?

[umbral hamlet]

no, get yourself an is5 from the clan sullies instead (1.5k gold) or if you already have it, save the gold

[strange thicket]

no

[coral heart]

no, as a TD main I don't find it really enjoyable(I got it thru free crate tho so no regret). 400 alpha at t7 sure is nice, but the dispersion and turretless makes it quite painful to use

[scarlet kernel]

Alr thx

[acoustic galleon]

Why is it impossible to get into a tier 4 battle? I've been waiting for 5 minutes.
It is ridiculous honestly.

[coral heart]

anything below tier 5 have ridiculous wait time due to no provided bots(unlike the PC WOWS), and we only have around 200 player per pools with like, 80% of it on T5+, so yea, the low tier are deserted currently(in the first 3-4 years the low tier still have quite the number of people, iirc after they changed all tier 4 and below premiums into collectible is the time when the T4 and below starts to die out)

[acoustic galleon]

I've been playing for over a year now but I remember until recently the queue wasn't this bad. Wargaming did something to the match maker and after that it was impossible to get any battles.

[strange thicket]

yeah probably new players matchmaker
sorry can't club as comfortably anymore

[jagged heath]

Atari Vision -2600 (ISO) — Today at 7:49 AM
Bored thought: Wouldn't it be cool if WG added the Scorpion "tank" from Halo franchise into WoTB?
Essentially giving it some characteristics like a Yoh tank with that rear mounted but tall turret.
Maybe armour can be weaker as it the driver compartment has little protection. Maybe as a MT.
Only 1 crew member, which would weird as killing one would make all functions 50% or something.
Or maybe put it as a TD. It's listed as having a 150mm gun but damn, that drivers compartment.
Bruh, 30° gun depression on this thing
Wait, no. Apparently it has a 90mm high penetration gun
For the original model.
The ones in later HALO games have a 120 or 150 gun or something
30 rounds per minute fire rate
And also in game it's slow but in the wiki it says it is fast and can go up 30° slopes.
It could be a really weird fast firing MT or TD.
This has been my bored thought of the day.

[graceful iris]

...you want a tank with 150mm gun with 30 rounds per minute fire rate and 30 degrees of gun depression, plus with good mobility... what

[coral heart]

unless it only have something like super horrible dispersion, things like 30-40 mm AP pen, special AP prammo with 100mm pen and HE of like 20mm pen, having a 150mm gun with 30 rounds/min fire rate is like asking for total broken tank

that monster have at least 19.2k dpm potential alone without equipment and provision bonus

[graceful iris]

and.. imagine that in literally any fun mode. big boss, uprising, burning games.. with that dpm boost it would literally destroy whole team by itself with no problem.. and imagine platoon of that thing..

even in regulars it will destroy whole team by itself lmao. stats you listed are way too much. you want a 150mm gun with 2 sec reload..

[coral heart]

he just need to spam HE and the pen doesn't even matter if he can unloads that much HE shots. He doesn't need to directly kill the enemy, he just need to kill as much crew, module and keep the engine on fire from the HE explosion to make you basically a sitting duck thoroughly(gunner driver loader dead, ammorack damage, broken gun and engine anyone?)

[trail orchid]

On the tier 9 yoh what's the best option the 2 shot or the 3 shot clip?

[violet timber]

3 shot

[graceful iris]

yup. imagine 400 splash dmg every 2 secs, not even caring about aiming at weakspots or anything.. while also damaging modules and crew from half of shots.. well, it would surely change current meta of hulldown tanks but no thanks lmao

[acoustic galleon]

We need artillery.

[thick trout]

If you use the 3 shot it just becomes a worse K91 apart from the intraclip, the 2 shot can cripple tier 8s in an instant. Try both and see which you prefer because it's very much down to personal preference

[graceful iris]

no we dont

we dont need artillery at all. adding artillery is possibly the worst thing wg can do to wotb

[hollow notch]

Arty is so fun. It makes everyone sit back and avoid getting spotted at all costs. Very much promotes dynamic gameplay and definitely prevents camping.

[violet timber]

It may actually get rid of the 3 td, hull down heavy stalemate that the game has become. At this point, you sit behind a hill in your hull down heavy, wait for the enemy to push, then let your TDs punish them for actually playing the game

The easier way to get rid of this would actually be to just limit the amount of tds to 2 per team

[coral heart]

if you fine for 15 minutes per match, and 10 man per team and map twice as big.......

[hollow notch]

Lmao. Except it doesn't.

Pc 3 arty matches consist of literally everyone sitting back and making 0 plays because if you do try to make a play you get heavily punished.
And then you have the people that just throw away their tanks because it's boring to sit around waiting for the enemies to push all match.

[coral heart]

when I see hulldown, I load the HE

[wise moth]

Arty has no effect on camping; neither positive nor negative.

PC is just super campy because it’s 15v15

[chilly lodge]

This tank is good?

[coral heart]

making people get damage when they think they're invincible is my favorite part of the game

[balmy compass]

You quickly run into the enemy team while they are moving into positions fire a shot, then die to all the enemies shooting you

[violet timber]

Even with HE it’ll take you a lot of shells to do any meaningful damage

[hollow notch]

False. Triple arty non city maps result in avoiding getting spotted at all costs.

1 arty or less matches actually have tanks poking and getting spotted

[coral heart]

still, while doing minimal damage, it pissed them off and for some might induce panic

[violet timber]

Any player with half a brain would not worry about 50 damage out of their 2.5k HP

[hollow notch]

And here we have a player that hasn't experienced arty

[coral heart]

get that 3-4 times+it's TD shooting you and it starts to feel like you ate the entire shot while feeling invincible

[violet timber]

Okay, lemme load up some prammo to penetrate you and deal more damage than you did in 3-4 shots

[hollow notch]

Oh wait, you cant hit because you are stunned

[violet timber]

This isn’t talking about arty, just normal HE

[coral heart]

oh wait, but to have any change to hit something that can be penned with prammo you need to move out a bit and expose something which could be shot by my team mate

[hollow notch]

What?

[graceful iris]

they're talking about whether or not you should shoot HE at hulldown tanks

[hollow notch]

Literally 1 person mentioned that once in a way that didn't apply at all to the topic at hand

[violet timber]

I’m not scared of exposing myself because you and your tds just shot, so I have about 10 seconds of free reign to poke and deal more damage to you than you did to me.

[coral heart]

if only you have target to shoot

[graceful iris]

this situation is very specific ngl. it depends on a lot of things and cant really be guessed theoretically

[violet timber]

Yeah, you. You have just shot so you’re right behind the hill

[coral heart]

is it? everyone goes hide after shooting, and no HT goes alone. You poke out, there's another one guarding

[violet timber]

I know you don’t have any way of retaliating, why would I not shoot you?

[graceful iris]

he could be on reload too

as i said, there are too many things to consider to debate this theoretically

[coral heart]

because I'm behind cover. Why would I expose myself after shot?

[violet timber]

Would you have time to get behind cover? If your peeking over a ridge, you ain’t gonna get behind cover before I get over that ridge

[coral heart]

and you should've shoot me when I try to get over the ridge, not after I shot

[blissful osprey]

Induce panic? How?

[violet timber]

Why? I can sit behind the hill, block your shot, the shoot you without worry

[blissful osprey]

Poor innocent soul. He clearly hasn't had time with many heavy mains.

[coral heart]

you're assuming people just giving their weak points for free. That's not what people do

[violet timber]

You’re out in the open after you shoot, I have free reign to shoot wherever I want lmao

[coral heart]

a third of my game is in heavy, and that works when I'm in HT or TD

[violet timber]

How many games do you have?

Seems to me like you haven’t come up against a player who actually knows how to play a hull down heavy properly

[blissful osprey]

Then you've gotten lucky. "There's another one guarding" Yeah, right. These are heavy mains we're talking about.

[coral heart]

and you seem to assume everyone is just dumb guys who don't understand the enemy tank characteristic they're fighting

and as I said before, I only do that if there's not really any viable target to shoot

[violet timber]

That’s because most of the player base is dumb and doesn’t understand the enemy tank they’re fighting lmao

[coral heart]

so you assume you're a pro eh? holy sh!t a veteran is here, the god of World of Tanks is here! Kneel before him O majesty!

[violet timber]

Where did I say that? I know that I am a better player than probably 75% of blitz players, that’s just how it works. Most people don’t care about putting in the time to get better, but I train along with my clan. I put in the time to learn nuisances in tanks. And I actually have half a brain.

[coral heart]

because the only reason you can call other people dumb is if you think you're better than those you call dumb. What else?

[rigid thunder]

shooting HE instead of praying for rng to land that god shot on a pixel sized weakspot is only a good choice in basically close to no situations

[violet timber]

Is 75% of the player base not most of them?

[rigid thunder]

in a fast paced game, using HE as paltry chip damage is quite literally useless, you're wasting your time actually doing it

[violet timber]

^^^

You’re wasting a shot, and giving the enemy free reign to put in their shot against you. It’s almost always going to be a bad trade, unless you’re a 183 or Jageroo

[blissful osprey]

To add, it also decreases your concealment, meaning you've just ruined several chances for an ambush if you weren't spotted at the time.

[coral heart]

As I said before, I only do that when no other target is viable. I never said it's my first choice. I never load HE right after the bat. It's the last choice when facing camping full red

[rigid thunder]

If you do face a camping full red tank (kinda only happens with a kranvagn) you just either

a) snipe his cupola through praying
b) don't shoot because patience is actually a thing
c) go away

[coral heart]

and since half of my game I'm a paper TD, engaging from outside spot range is something it could do hence while you might know my general area, pinpointing without me getting spotted is also wasting your time

[blissful osprey]

It would be more viable not to shoot at all and wait for a better opportunity. Shooting HE at a target that isn't going to be affected is just stupid.

[coral heart]

I've seen multiple battles where the heavies are waiting the other to just advance getting stalemate, and one people get damaged by HE either force one to move, are making one charge and getting rekt for finally showing up

[blissful osprey]

That's just them being stupid.

[rigid thunder]

basically yeah

[coral heart]

plus, high caliber HE is enough to damage a module or crew or two, forcing them to use consumable faster than they intended

for times lobbing he in their face damage their gun, or in some cases get splashes that damaged their driver too

[rigid thunder]

you know, instead of settling with small amounts of HE splash damage, you could've spent that time simply relocating to a better position so you can use your gun to its fullest effect

[solid gate]

Who wants à branch with Ukrainian tanks?

[blissful osprey]

No.

[solid gate]

Why

[simple flame]

Ukraine hasnt own tank

[balmy compass]

I want a German light tank line to tier X

[blissful osprey]

The Leopard 1. Basically a light tank with medium concealment.

[balmy compass]

I already have that 🗿

[trail orchid]

Quite a lot of xp to get the 2 shot clip and kinda swithering if I should just use that xp for the tier 10 to,suing that I have a god bit of free xp kicking about so I might give it a try

[trail orchid]

I just ammoracked someone and I actually felt bad about it😄

[violet timber]

Why?

Most ammo racks originate from someone making a rather large mistake, such as showing their ammo racks to a loaded gun. You should feel bad about punishing a mistake lol

[graceful iris]

Kran can actually be HE'd for quite a lot of splash dmg. Done 150 dmg to hulldown kran while i was playing t62.. this is pretty high splash dmg for 100mm gun

But i mostly just go away if i meet hulldown kran cus I can't really do anything about it. Cupola isn't a choice if he's looking up. I usually just leave it alone or push with my team (in tours only because pub teams can't be trusted). That is unless I'm playing E100. It's definitely worth to HE it if you're playing on big gun like e100. If you know where to shoot, you can deal 400-500 splash dmg which can hurt quite a bit

But on most tanks it's just not worth wasting your shot for splash dmg. It just depends on situation and what tank you're playing. If enemy is isolated, I'd probably HE but if there are enemies nearby, I would just hold my shot and wait

If he's isolated actually why not just push lol. Depends on your team

[trail orchid]

Because I know how it feels when you get ammoracked without getting a shot off at the start of a game

Na it was a tiger 2

[violet timber]

Just don’t expose yourself like that

[graceful iris]

Thoughts on pz 4 s? Good tank? Decent? Bad? And can you buy it's legendary camo or is that only obtained from shop offers?

[violet timber]

Decent tank

[distant nymph]

It’s a decent ish tank, good DPM, average alpha, not very good armor and mobility. Playstyle reminds of a Chi To or Cromwell (but slower than Cromwell and more armored than Chi To).You can get its camo from the camo screen always.

[graceful iris]

Nice. Though ngl it's really nice to see wg give those tank subscriptions for free. T34 shielded, t21 and now pz 4 s.. wonder what'll come next lol

[scarlet kernel]

That obj 752 camo makes me want the tank

[boreal spruce]

if you could have any tank regardless of playstyle and based purely off what it looks like. What would you have?

[hollow notch]

Stb

[rigid thunder]

chieftain mk6

[balmy compass]

T34 (1776)

[coral heart]

TV-8

Cuz ammorack/critical on my engine resulting in map wide nuke why not lmao

[midnight hemlock]

yo is the Sherman V a rare tank?

[violet timber]

Super Conqueror or T28 Defender

If you think about it, T28 Defender should absolutely murder everything else

[blissful osprey]

Sure, but it still has the same problems of the regular T28. Those cheeks get penetrated all day and all night.

[misty wing]

But they were talking about purely based on looks

[blissful osprey]

That why I said "but." Just so anyone actually thinking the T28 Defender is some uber-TD don't waste their money and get something that may not suit what they were looking for.

[steep lotus]

Should I grind is7? Also is the tiger 2 worth it?

[solid gate]

Tiger 2 definitely worth it

And about is7... Most people say that is4 is better
You can watch some yt videos about it

And then decide

[plucky summit]

IS-7 is definitely better now

IS-4 used to be better

[thorny smelt]

I'm still going for the IS-4

[umbral hamlet]

is4 sucks in everything except the gun if you compare it to the is7

[solid gate]

It used to be good :0

[hollow notch]

Is4 is still a solid tank. It's not like the t110e5 and 215b where it got nuked. It still has what made it great which is the gun and turret armor combo

[violet timber]

Talking purely theoretically though, it would technically have an insane amount of horsepower due to a reverse engineered engine based on alien technology. It also has a railgun, so anything it sees it could penetrate rather easily

[tough steeple]

What are some good sidescraping tanks?

[violet timber]

Maus

[acoustic galleon]

VK90 and Chrysler K but those are premiums.

The VK100 is really good and the VK45b after the buff is good too.

[tough steeple]

Any t7 or t6 good sidescraping tanks?

[acoustic galleon]

KV-3 at tier 7 is good.

[tough steeple]

Okay thanks

[acoustic galleon]

The Black Prince is good too.

[thorny smelt]

DPM? Black Prince. Armor and good selection of guns? KV-3. Take note that stock grind is PAIN in the IS-4 line

[modest breach]

If i have 0 garage slot left, and claim the Schmaltrum or maybe the T21 from the subscription, what would happened?

[woeful inlet]

What's a good tank for a beginner?

[tough steeple]

Yea, I have the Kv-3

[austere sleet]

What kind of tank is your play style(td, mt, ht, lt)

[mellow hare]

Russian kv-1 line

[umbral hamlet]

IS-7, passing by kv1, kv1s, IS, is3, is8

[tropic mica]

is-7 got buffed?

[small current]

Hi

[violet timber]

It’s been buffed lol

[thorny smelt]

KV-3 , KV-4, and even KV-5 are good side-scrapers

[trail orchid]

See the concept b and the new German collector tank is on offer in some crates in the store now

[trail orchid]

Should I go the T57 heavy or the French tier 10 ?the French one looks that bit more mobile from what I have seen

[violet timber]

T57

[lusty flicker]

I have m4 sherman rn who tier 10 should i grind for?
Sheridan?
T51 heavy thing idk i forgot?
M65 patton thing?

[midnight hemlock]

it's up to you; whatever fits ur playstyle

i went up the t57 heavy line first cuz I liked the medium-ish playstyle

[blissful osprey]

This

[trail orchid]

To me they look very similar the amx armour a bit less and it's a bit more mobile,will have a look at both again and decide later

Had a wee dip in to those mega crates and got the is defender ,deffo thinking about selling this one

[blissful osprey]

Don't sell prems you get.

[violet trail]

T30

i kinda like it but the only problem i face is the hit points nothing else

[trail orchid]

Can always get it back with a ticket ,just could be using the credits for other things just now and it's not a tank I will be playing much

[final mist]

Guys, I have 1500 gold, do I buy is5 or its not a good tank? I have already obj 252u

[acoustic galleon]

If you have 252u, save your gold.

[vital flax]

If you only have 1 prem and explode a lot it might be worth so you can explode twice as much in an hour

[hollow notch]

The only thing the is5 doesn't really have is accuracy.
As far as tier 8 tanks go, it's in the middle somewhere

[past fractal]

Personally, I have the Super Pershing already

I probably would stay put with the gold until I find a better premium imo

Your choice though

[final mist]

okay, ty all for advices

[plucky summit]

Kpf is out yet it's got worse chances than an AE Phase I 😭

[blissful hamlet]

How to get: rob a bank and spend in crates and raviolli

[plucky summit]

If they release 5% crates for the tank itself then I’d dump, but no 😔

[mighty kestrel]

even 3% cus it is new tier 10 tonk

[radiant coral]

Fits this better to the amx ?

[hard cedar]

dw kpf is gonna be in charm crates later I think!

[faint swan]

guys what are the differences between tiger 1 and tiger 131

[wise moth]

I would run vert stab. The base dispersion is already pretty good, but the aim time is what kills it, so you want to reduce your bloom, and thus your exposure time

[radiant coral]

Alright thanks positive

[thorny smelt]

Go for CS instead of Vents

[radiant coral]

I don’t struggle with it

the penetration is already enough and the aim helps me a lot to hit the weak spots easier

i prefer the vents over the cs at this point

[scarlet kernel]

What if rockets are added to the game?
Not guided ofc, more like those in the sherman calliope

[wise moth]

Bruh, the pen is already fantastic at 232. The small bonuses to view range, traverse, and aim time benefit you far more, as those are all areas where 50 100 desperately needs more

[thorny smelt]

I thought it's 226. My bad

[inland osprey]

So… anyone knows how effective the Kpfz 50t is in hulldown positions when compared to STB or T-62A? Does it have a better turret profile?

[plucky summit]

I shall set up a graphic for all three, full gun depression, would you like a specific tank to be shooting at them, so you know the relative pen?

It's actually a bit scary, considering the speed and the gun

[inland osprey]

hmm put stb1 as the shooter then

[thorny smelt]

It's like the armored Leopard 1 then?

[plucky summit]

Basically, yeah

[radiant coral]

Ain’t the perfect laser but it’s comparable to the Leopard gun ish

[balmy compass]

Tiger 1 is tier 7, Tiger 131 is tier 6, Tiger 131 has worse armor for tier and shoots slower

[plucky summit]

Here's the combinations of Kpf 50t's armor profile, the others will come soon

Here's the combinations of STB-1's armor profile, it appears to not care about what shell set you're using

[radiant coral]

the turret has more than 250mm of guaranteed armor profile nothing will pen it unless high caliber guns like Ho-Ri AP Shell or Jageroos HEAT level will easily butter through that but again it’s hard to hit when it’s on the move.

[blissful osprey]

Rockets are slower than tank shells. But it has the damage of most high caliber HE. The problem is, large caliber HE already exists, and therefore makes rockets redundant. That being said, if it were like the Calliope, that implies it can be used in an indirect fire support role, which curiously mirrors that of missiles. Also, rockets cannot be guided, so saying "not guided ofc" is unecessary, as guided rockets would actually be missiles.

[inland osprey]

Yo thanks for the comparison pics, really appreciate the effort

[plucky summit]

Anytime ^-^

[hard cedar]

LXODL

[plucky summit]

As my stats may have implied otherwise, it is merely a friend group, not a competitive clan

[scarlet kernel]

But i wonder what happen if Wg add it to the game? I mean it's basically just a slower tank shell

[blissful osprey]

Worse HE shell. That's it.

[plucky summit]

Here's T-62A's

[scarlet kernel]

So... Can it be added to the game?

Also i said "not guided ofc" Because if i didn't i guarantee atleast one person will say "BuT tHE sHerIdaN ExISt"

[inland osprey]

hmm seems like Kpfz would be really annoying to fight against, that turret armor is quite insane
Although it does have a larger pennable area on the right with prammo

[plucky summit]

It's the ultimate medium tank, to be honest

[inland osprey]

and it's not like I can rush him with that DPM, not in my stb at least lol

[radiant coral]

try and face hug the AE Phase I
It’s the heavier version of it and way lower

Coming to the point, Kampfpanzer 50T is broken, yes correct, still it’s not utter bs like yk some tier 7 tanks cough anni cough
At the end of the day, WG did it… i would say „okay“ this time

[blissful osprey]

No, because the idea is stupid. See, rockets are rather inaccurate, which is why the vast majority of them are mounted in large amounts. There are a few outliers, but it's only a few. What I want to get at is that most of them will be slower projectiles in high amounts. In-game, this would translate to the same as the AT-7's autoloader, but instead, every projectile is a large warhead roughly equivalent to heavy artillery. It's stupid, and the amount of stuff you could put onto a target would be ridiculous.

[inland osprey]

True, good turret + good dpm would be really op in the current meta.
Although it does have pretty bad pwr/wt ratio, but has that stopped the E50M lol

[scarlet kernel]

Would it be fun tho?

[blissful osprey]

Oh, I'm sorry? Have you ever been shot at by a large caliber HE shell? Huh? Now take that, and multiply by, let's say, 60 114mm HE rockets. Whaddya got? No fun. No fun at all. Think about it for a second. Question your sanity, if you must.

[scarlet kernel]

Knowing Wg there is a chance they'll add one, a fictional vehicle as a funmode or something

[valid gale]

No no they really wouldn’t idk why people say things like this

[scarlet kernel]

What if the fantasy vehicle works like an autoloader?

like 4 rocket pods 100-120mm HE only, 0.5sec intraclip, and 15-20sec reload?
It'll be devastating against low armored, but not much against heavy armor

[valid gale]

More Anti-fun class in a meta that’s still shifting towards babying heavy players

[scarlet kernel]

For like an event, i mean they make a duckmode event once

So why not

[valid gale]

Duck mode is entirely different and it’s been years so

[scarlet kernel]

Exactly, why can't we have some again

Like a sci fi battle event
rockets, laser, shields, railguns

[violet timber]

We already have a railgun

[blissful osprey]

You don't seem to realize that these rockets are essentially artillery shells, but a ton of them are being launched. Basically, what artillery can do is destroy tanks very easily. It causes large explosions that dwarf those of tank guns, since tank guns are usually AT guns and are therefore have a smaller HE charge, since in order to not have the shell burst apart when they are being launched out of high-velocity cannons, they usually have to have the shell be thicker, leaving less space for larger warheads. Artillery and rockets (unless said rockets and artillery shells are firing HEAT) don't have this problem and are therefore pure HE. This makes them devastating when they hit.

[violet timber]

We really already have the scifi tanks you're talking about in the forms of the Y5 series and the Defenders. There's also the Titan series with their special armor

[blissful osprey]

This is what a 155mm HE shell from American artillery did to a Pz. IV. Now, picture this, but instead of just one massive shell, over 14 of them are heading towards you.

[scarlet kernel]

Yea but what if, a full gmode dedicated to it?

[violet timber]

boss mode?

[scarlet kernel]

Dangit

[misty wing]

e50m has insane power/weight though

[inland osprey]

oh I see, I stand corrected

[strange thicket]

yeah the mobility and dpm was buffed for whatever reason recently

[scarlet kernel]

I tried the VK72.01K and it just suck for me
Granted i was 76% crew, but that pretty much why i hate it. After all that and only 1% up

[midnight veldt]

dont buy angry connor

[strange thicket]

don't side scrape
use tungesten and the consumables
and always direcly face towards your enemies
if they can pen you with prammo then tough luck, can't do much but try to bait

[scarlet kernel]

I bounced atleast 1/10 shells from the front, can't stand it, sold the tank

I like the 45.02B more

[candid venture]

i like the titan-150 tho

[strange thicket]

yeah you should have used the consumables like reactive armor n such and also tungsten
it kinda is similar to E100 in the sense that you are supposed to trade with it but armor is lackluster
you have to frontally face your enemies
obviously the 45.02b is way better tier for tier, but selling tier 10s is a bit of a dum decision

[scarlet kernel]

Here's the thing, i liked the E100 armor more

I can sidescrape and angle while the 72, all i can do is pray they don't know how to shoot
I used the tungsten but again 75% crew, im not gonna hit a lot

So i just decided to sell it to grind the t110e5 line

Im not gonna play it a lot anyways so might as well continue a grind

[nimble vessel]

so, does anyone here have the kpf 50t here?

[inland steeple]

which tank has the slowest and turret traverse and which tank has the highest?

[acoustic galleon]

I think Kran is the slowest RN.

[scarlet kernel]

On what tier?

[inland steeple]

tier for tier

[scarlet kernel]

Like tier X only or all tier?

[inland steeple]

all tier

[graceful iris]

kv4 good for gravity?

[scarlet kernel]

@inland steeple Well that extended the problem since you need to check almost every tank yourself, but if you wanna know
You can see on blitzhangar

Yellow - what you're comparing it to
Red - the ranking for the stat

ex the maus here is ranked 49th out of 53 on DPM for all tier X

[inland steeple]

ah yes thank you, its annoying that you can do and all tanks option

[keen mantle]

was painful sometimes but the second gun on the cent 7/1 is really fun to just yolo at other tier 9 mediums with and pop adren

literally getting accused of cheating by mediums that get steamrolled is fun

[green iris]

I just realized the Emil barely gets kills cause everyone steals them or your reload takes so long you can barely engage in the fight 😦

[kind flicker]

there are 2 tiger 1's

can somebody explain that for me please?

[violet timber]

One is tech tree, the other is the tutorial tank

[kind flicker]

oh..... that makes perfect sense

[acoustic galleon]

Technically there are 4 Tiger Is.

6 if you count battlepass tanks.

[keen mantle]

I should stop using the hesh gun on the cent 7/1 my credits r going down the drain LOL

[ivory beacon]

blitz i have a question why does the stock 152mm gun on the isu not have that nice sound that you hear off a derp gun

[acoustic galleon]

Some guns don't. The T30 and E4 don't have the sound either.

[blissful osprey]

The T110E5 wishes to remind you that it only has 19.44 degrees per second turret traverse time. The Kran leads by .42 degrees.

[scarlet kernel]

There is just a lot of people complaining about "hull down meta"
Like, what tanks can you be added?
Most tanks have more armor on the turret, the only way is to have a huge cupola.

But again those who complained never gave me an example so im genuinely curious

[violet timber]

The main problem isn’t just hulldown, it’s hulldown heavies.

[scarlet kernel]

What's the solution?

[valid gale]

Nerf them.

[scarlet kernel]

Like, turret armor?
I feel like unless it's fast, or flat so you can angle, and an autoloader that tank is not gonna be good as a heavy to bounce shots

[valid gale]

Heavies have ridiculous armor and the main culprit is HP and they continue to keep pandering to heavies the VKs recent ultra buff being an example

[scarlet kernel]

Which VK? How much?

Also yea HP, i kinda agree but
The main thing is more to armor tbh

[violet timber]

Which VKs just got buffed? That's your answer.

[scarlet kernel]

Wut

[valid gale]

Have you not been paying attention or something

The VK 72 line got tungsten and sandbag buffs which was entirely unnecessary

As if that wasn’t enough for evidence they’re pandering to heavies this is

[plucky summit]

Why 168 when KV-5? The speed is vital

[scarlet kernel]

Oh i thought you meant base hp buff
But again, on the complains of "hulldown meta" I think it's more to armor than HP

[cyan torrent]

gun

[kind flicker]

long

[cyan torrent]

need some gun? i can share

[wheat void]

Annoying that Maus 313’s co-axial 75mm isn’t hollow….

[cyan torrent]

true but warthunder allows it but then again warthunder is a completely different game

[misty wing]

hopefully they fix it when they give it pbr

[balmy compass]

Technically none of the guns are hollow, but I understand that the second gun on the Maus is just flat

[wheat void]

Ye

[vagrant dome]

Can you install the top gun on the stock turret for the is8? Before I grind the gun for nothing

[misty wing]

yes, that's the grind path I recommend

[earnest rampart]

Wg really falling cause the heavy fanboys who can't live with 1 game mode where they can't just dominate the whole game?

[blissful osprey]

I mean, they are pretty fun to play… though yes, the thruster nerf was completely unnecessary.

[misty wing]

remove the thruster

[blissful osprey]

Mmm, ok. Remove half the tech tree line again.

[viral trellis]

I got the 50TP, it feels pretty good but oough that LFP is MASSIVE

Hard to find positions to hide it

[blissful osprey]

Really? It looks pretty small to me.

[viral trellis]

Feels like I get penned pretty easy, even when trying to sidescrape. I'll figure it out eventually but at Tier IX you're not playing against babbys

[blissful osprey]

Babies? Wdym Tier X is filled to the brim with them.

[viral trellis]

Heheheh

[misty wing]

the thruster ruined gravity mode for me, regardless of whether I'm playing a heavy or not. It turned from a mode where you just drive around and crash into stuff, to people trying to jump up and doing trickshots, which isn't remotely fun for me

[final vapor]

What's the heaviest tier 7 heavy?

[past crane]

It is the Gravedigger, at about 75 tons

[final vapor]

Oh ok

[plucky summit]

Wish I knew the passive ram damage buff

[blissful osprey]

Ye, I have to agree with you. All those compilations of getting 183 full HE pen trick shots annoys me more than I find it impressive. Like, that poor BC’s game wouldn’t have been ruined if it weren’t for some RNG-heavy shot.

[blissful osprey]

Does anybody own any of the GuP tanks? If so, are the crew voices different, or are they all national crew voices?

[sage vector]

is T29 good?

[late helm]

Yes

[sage vector]

how

[late helm]

T29 is a very good Tier 7 tank. It has an almost impenetrable turret. Good armour and a decent gun but mobility is kinda meh

Now if you compare it to a tank like Tiger P then yes it's not as good but overall it's a good tank

[sage vector]

oh l\ok

[sage vector]

How to use the T29 properly? i tried but i suck so much

[blissful osprey]

That’s debatable. Pretty sure the T29’s APCR can pen the UFP of the Tiger P. The Tiger P can pen the T29’s UFP with regular shells, but if a Tiger P was shooting at your plate from the start you were doing something wrong. The Tiger P also has a more exposed cupola, so it will get hit more.

https://static-ptl-eu.gcdn.co/dcont/fb/image/hull_down_1.jpg

This here is a T34, basically a T29, but with a 120mm gun. Its in a hulldown position, meaning the hull is hidden and only the turret shows. This is how you play the T29-find a hill and show only your turret to the enemy.

[blissful osprey]

See my message above.

[sage vector]

ahh ok

[late helm]

You play the T29 hull down. Hide your hull behind a hill or a ridge so that only the turret is exposed and you can shoot the enemy.

[late helm]

Well yes APCR just butters through the armour of tanks. Yes the Tiger P can easily pen the hull with AP shells but if you're in a hulldowm position it can't, which is the way to play the T29. Mhm the cupola is one of the weakest spots on the Tiger P

[blissful osprey]

Well of course. Surely, you didn’t think I don’t know how to play the T29. Tis’ an insult if so.

[late helm]

It's not an insult. I was just agreeing with your point

[blissful osprey]

Ah, then apologies. Was rude of me to be so assuming.

[sage vector]

is there a way to defeat Black Prince also is it very good?

i cant seem to find a way to hide my hull

[blissful osprey]

The Black Prince is garbage. The gun is meh, the hull is as flat as AL Cleveland’s chest, and definitely not heavily armored. The mobility sucks as well. Not very good. As for hiding your hull, if the ground takes up half of your screen in Sniper Mode, then you should be around safe. Best you experiment, however.

[plucky summit]

LOL BP is fine

It's basically a downgraded AX, as it needs a constant line of fire on the enemy to use the busted DPM. Combine this with decent armor, a large HP pool, and S-Consumables to throw an advantage into play, and you got a solid tank

[blissful osprey]

Well, garbage can be many things. It’s probably not well suited for beginners since, as you said, it requires properly conserving your health while keeping up a string of fire.

[plucky summit]

But then again, an extremely aggressive play serves a noob well with that tank, if the enemy didn't know any better

[blissful osprey]

True, but you know how it is at these tiers. Half the people are so stupid it usually gives them some advantage, somehow.

[plucky summit]

Dunno how my cousin did it (provided, he already had some experience before making his 3k battle account), but he took that thing home with 68% WR in 141 battles

[blissful osprey]

Honestly, I don’t know either.

[plucky summit]

I mean, BP was the TT pick before they beefed T29

[livid moss]

Challenger I or comet?

[plucky summit]

Comet 100%

[viral trellis]

i got the Kpfpz 70 a while back in the auctions, it says heavy but it feels a lot more like a medium, should i be using the speed to my advantage? the gun has good alpha but the pen is a little weak for frontal

[blissful osprey]

Yes. Get it to a hulldown position early on and abuse the heck out of it. Use the prammo more often; the alpha’s pretty good. It’s like any other American heavy, but you get a Sheri-like alpha gun instead of a more balanced medium caliber do-it-all gun.

[viral trellis]

neat, thanks!

[thorny smelt]

It's an MBT but WG classified it as a heavy tank

[inland osprey]

Do you guys recommend refined gun or vstabs on the E50/E50M?

[blissful osprey]

It has .288 dispersion. You want VStabs

[inland osprey]

hmm I see

[misty wing]

They're all miho's voice

[blissful osprey]

Cool.

[elfin nebula]

Will the e75 ts only come in crates?

[mystic canyon]

Hi, can I have a question? I really enjoy playing with well-armored TDs. I have already two of them (obj.263 and the Ho-Ri). I would like to know that which one should I start to grind?

[thorny smelt]

Try the Jageroo or WZ-113G FT

[late helm]

JgPz E 100 line or WZ

[civic iron]

T110E3

[mystic canyon]

Okay, thank you all

[covert horizon]

T110E4 is also an option

[balmy compass]

E75 TS has appeared in the shop for gold several times before, mostly in a offer with a light tank in the bundle

[shy hound]

JgPz E100 - that thing rolls so high it maxes 1000 on ap

[shy hound]

E4 is worse than the e3 in a lot of ways

[covert horizon]

it just has a turret and i like it

[acoustic galleon]

I think he meant the E75 RT.

[past crane]

Yeah, it’s called the E 75 TS in PC because our E 75 TS is a bit different than theirs.

[signal grail]

Im having Trouble playing the E75 any tips?

[past crane]

Hide your lower plate
Sidescrape play peek a boom

[solid gate]

Playing E75 against t10s was a pain

[past crane]

Really? The E75 as it is performs almost like a Tier 9.5.

[solid gate]

🥴

[signal grail]

Same here

[solid gate]

Just side scrape
And hidw lower plate

Turret armour is good tho

If you are against t10 tanks
Don't go frontline
Stay a bit far

[past crane]

Defensive playing is always the way to go in the E75 as a bottom tier tank

[solid gate]

Hide
Shot
Hide

[solid gate]

Agree

Tiger 2 was kinda invincible to most of t8 tanks
If they us AP
I really enjoyed it

[cursive sonnet]

The Krupp steyer wt is kinda op

[past crane]

Not rly
Just very capable in the hands of a good player

[cursive sonnet]

I agree

[solid gate]

Yee
If they use pramo they easily pen
Or a ISU just pen with no pramo

[cursive sonnet]

@past crane Sorry I wasn't really clear on that

[solid gate]

But i really love it

[solid gate]

If you are grinding E100
I suggest to don't...
Go for is7

[cursive sonnet]

I agree, it's side armour is annoying

[signal grail]

Im grinding IS 7 and E100

[hollow notch]

What?

[cursive sonnet]

I have both and I'd say is 7 is better

[signal grail]

Yee

[solid gate]

I know we should side scrape hull and turret
But it doesn't make me feel good on this tank

[plucky summit]

Keiler, now

[signal grail]

I don't like the IS8 but the IS3 I like

[solid gate]

Play is8 on med side

[hollow notch]

Is8 is beautiful
Learn to play it well. It will help your skills.

[cursive sonnet]

I dislike the IS 8 a lot, it's armour is a joke

[signal grail]

Same

[solid gate]

That's why u should go on lt or med side
It doesn't build for frontline
Still e75 is better

[hollow notch]

The is8 is purely about the gun. Learn how to meatshield

[signal grail]

K

[cursive sonnet]

The IS 8 is basically a heavium

[signal grail]

The WZ-111-5a I bought is beautiful it's my favourite tank

[solid gate]

You can bounce some shells in is8
IF YOU WERE LUCKY

[hollow notch]

Don't get shot.
Easy solution that helps you on every single tank in the game.

[signal grail]

True

[solid gate]

Im gonna grind some more Nations
I only have German Soviet and US

Maybe Italy

[signal grail]

Are the Chinese TD any good bc im also grinding Grill and I'm at the RHM

[solid gate]

Chinese meds are nice in my opinion

[cursive sonnet]

The grille is kinda hard to play in my opinion

[signal grail]

K

[solid gate]

It's paper but it's fun to play

When you stop HE with gun is best part

[cursive sonnet]

Yea, 3200 dpm go brrrrrrrrr with 640 alpha

[signal grail]

My German tech tree is almost done bc I have the E75 at t9 and everything else is on t8

[solid gate]

Imagine playing stock t95

Chat suddenly dead

[violet timber]

Yeah no, T29 is much better than the Tiger P lol

[signal grail]

Is the Ho Ri a good tank to grind

[violet timber]

Yes

[violet timber]

Or if you have skill and know how to abuse the armor profile

[carmine rivet]

#BuffLeoDpmAndSpeed

[violet timber]

#NerfKPZ50tInstead

[graceful iris]

thinking about grinding e50m

is playstyle all about bullying other meds?
can it work on frontline with heavies? and should you do it?

[umbral hamlet]

yeah let's buff the most skill-dependent tank in tier10, so to lower the skill ceiling even more

🤦‍♂️

[plucky summit]

He said buff 😳
You should get some sleep

[graceful iris]

yeah buffing it will lower skill ceiling. he knows what he's talking about, just mixed words up a bit

[umbral hamlet]

yes sorry i inverted the two words

[plucky summit]

It would then raise the ceiling, which in turn is probably bad

[umbral hamlet]

no, because it would become stupid op, and even idiots could use it

[graceful iris]

no it wouldnt raise it.. it would lower skill ceiling which is already getting lowered

[plucky summit]

Guys you're thinking about skill floor LOL

[umbral hamlet]

leo1 is fine is at is, no buffs nor nerfs needed

[umbral hamlet]

skill floor is the base, skill ceiling is the top

[graceful iris]

skill floor is minimal skill needed to use it. skill ceiling is how good players can be when they master it. no we're not confusing it

[plucky summit]

Yes, and if Leo 1 gets buffed, its capabilities rise, as the skill ceiling would

[graceful iris]

skill floor would raise but skill ceiling would drop

[plucky summit]

What? Why would the skill floor raise? That would mean bad players would have an even harder time making it effective

[graceful iris]

now you're confusing skill floor with skill ceiling bruh

[plucky summit]

Is skill floor not the generalized way to say the amount of skill needed to make the tank effective?

[graceful iris]

skill floor: how good new players will do
skill ceiling: how good players that mastered playstyle do

[plucky summit]

Yes, and when the tank is buffed, they will do better, so the ceiling raises, but because of how good it is, newer players will perform more effectively in it, lowering the skill floor

[graceful iris]

thats not how it works.. new players will do better in it.. that will raise skill floor..

[plucky summit]

I don't see why one can say the Annihilator has a high skill floor, given that any player (even those with a skill that's lower than the floor), can make it effective, generally

[graceful iris]

yeahhh you dont understand how it works

[plucky summit]

Ok whatever, apparently the skill ceiling isn't the maximum effectiveness a skilled player can draw out of a tank 🤷‍♂️

[graceful iris]

low skill floor and high skill ceiling: new players will do bad in it but if you master it, you'll do very good and much better than new players
high skill floor and low skill ceiling: new players will do pretty good in it. when you master it, you'll do slightly better but much wont change

[umbral hamlet]

let's go back to the original argument:

Leo1 doesn't need any buff. (if you can't play it, you're just not good enough)

[graceful iris]

yes it is but you dont understand how skill floor works

[plucky summit]

I thought this "skill house" consisted of the skill required to make the tank effective, the higher, the more effective

[graceful iris]

higher skill floor is, easier it is for newbies

want me to explain it in dm?

[plucky summit]

I know but that sounds so counter-intuitive

[graceful iris]

true. it can be very good in hands of good player but if they dont know what they're doing, they'll do terrible. probably most skill dependent tank along with grille

[plucky summit]

Just to make sure, the skill floor is below the ceiling, yes?

[graceful iris]

yes

[plucky summit]

So you're saying a buff raises the floor and lowers the ceiling.

What does the skill 'house' mean, to you? The area between the floor and ceiling?

[graceful iris]

closer skill floor is to skill ceiling, more noob friendly it is

farther skill floor is to skill ceiling, more skill dependent it is

[umbral hamlet]

first example: among us

second example: PUBG

[graceful iris]

yup

or if we were to just get examples for wotb

first example: annihilator

second example: leopard 1 and grille

[plucky summit]

This is how I interpret it

If a tank was buffed, players with less skill would make the tank effective anyways, because of how good it is, so the skill floor must have been lowered to below that player's skill

[past crane]

Same here
The lower the floor, the easier it is for a noob to play it
Where a high ceiling is it being very hard to master

For example, many American tanks have low floors and low ceilings, something like a TVP has a high floor and ceiling, an E100 or Maus has a low floor and high ceiling, and something like a Chi-To or STA has a high floor and a low ceiling.
(Just my opinion)

[plucky summit]

Now of course, if a tank was so stupidly OP that it counters itself in such an isolated way, then sure the ceiling would lower, because skill becomes irrelevant when a tank is so powerful (the skill floor would be to the core of the Earth, as a noob would completely destroy people with such an OP tank)

I wouldn't say Leopard 1 is even close to that stage, though. And no, I don't think it needs a buff, I'm just showing my thought process of this skill house

[past crane]

Yeah
Buffing a tank would maybe lower a skill floor, not raise it
It would also lower the ceiling as well, if a tank lacks potential.

[plucky summit]

Perhaps NA and EU have reversed meanings for skill floor and skill ceiling 🤔

[past crane]

Possibly lol
I think rock is just messing up the direction the ceiling and floor would moved

[graceful iris]

this is basically it

[past crane]

That’s correct
Yes I saw u took that from a chems video lol
But you’re basically just confirming what ChickenMan is saying

[graceful iris]

yup i had to spend like 10 minutes to find that video again lmao. watched it earlier

[plucky summit]

If I was the absolute best player out there (keep dreaming), then if the tank I maximized was buffed, it would become... well, it depends on the pre-existing ceiling it has, because again, of course the ceiling can lower if the tank is so effective the skill requirement lowers for maximum effectiveness

But a better tank would require a higher ceiling to maximize the newfound effectiveness

[violet timber]

That’s not how it works lol. The skill floor is the minimum amount of skill required to make a tank work. The skill ceiling is the maximum amount of skill required to get the best out of a tank.

[graceful iris]

yeah ik

[past crane]

^^^^^^
Ok then why were you saying the opposite then @graceful iris

[plucky summit]

The discussion lies within how they change if a tank was buffed

[graceful iris]

how was i saying opposite lol. literally said

higher the skill floor, easier to play
higher the skill ceiling, harder to play

idk what yall think but it has the same meaning imo

[violet timber]

That’s not what it means…. The higher the skill floor, the harder to play, the higher the skill ceiling, the more skill required to get the best out of the tank

[past crane]

If the Leo was buffed, the skill floor would possibly lower depending on the buff
For example giving it more armor
The way I see it, the skill floor affects the outcome of the skill ceiling, so the ceiling could either lower or raise depending on the buff and how much more skill it takes to utilize the tank effectively.
Yeah @graceful iris You’ve got it mixed up

[graceful iris]

dunno. maybe im bad at wording lol

[past crane]

The lower the floor, the easier it is to play

[past crane]

See how the floor is lower where the noobs would be
I have no idea how you were thinking a high floor is easier to play.

[violet timber]

The skill floor is the lowest amount of skill necessary to perform well in a tank. If you raise the skill floor, you’re requiring more skill to do well. If you lower it, you make the tank need less skill to do well in

[graceful iris]

alr. probably got it mixed up

thanks for explaining and sorry for inconveniences

[past crane]

For example, an STA has a high ceiling and a low floor imo. It’s very hard to play, but once you master it there isn’t much more you can do with it due to the limitations of its stats.

Something such as a 60TP or Patton has a low floor but a low ceiling, once you can play it well, it can’t do much more because of the way it plays.

A Leo has a high floor and ceiling, it’s very hard to make it work and even harder to make it work well

A Maus has a low floor, but a high ceiling because while noobs can do decent in it, it takes skill to use it to its full effectiveness.

[violet timber]

STA actually has a high floor and low ceiling. It requires a good amount of skill to use, but since the tank itself isn’t that good the skill required to get the best out of it is low

[graceful iris]

yeah i basically thought the way it worked is.. i dont even know how to explain so ill just get an example

thought leo had low floor but high ceiling

[violet timber]

Leo 1 has a high floor and high ceiling

[past crane]

Sorry lol I got mixed up

[violet timber]

I thought that’s what happened lol

[past crane]

I said low floor and high ceiling twice that’s why

I did mean a high floor and low ceiling, sorry. 😆

[graceful iris]

yea i got it mixed up lol. but now i understand

[violet timber]

Understandable

[past crane]

You’re welcome for the help on this, sometimes I can mess them up too. @graceful iris

[graceful iris]

sorry for inconveniences and thanks for help. have a nice day

[plucky summit]

I'd literally love to stream how I think of it

I talked with my cousin, who thinks of it the same way you do.

[past crane]

Interesting
I sometimes wish I could have the time to make a chart of where all the tanks in game stand in regards to skill floor and ceiling

[plucky summit]

Sounds like a cool idea, I might just do that

[past crane]

I just have no time now, I’m so busy irl that I can barely even play Blitz

[plucky summit]

Anyways, if you were at the skill ceiling, and the tank got buffed, it takes less skill to make effective. That's not the skill ceiling lowering, that's the skill floor lowering

[violet timber]

It could however raise the skill ceiling

[plucky summit]

Yes, there's more untapped potential that you'd need to increase your skill to reach

[past crane]

The way my thought process goes is that a buff or nerf only directly affects the skill floor, which in turn can change the ceiling. It’s not really easy to directly lower or raise the ceiling.

That’s why a tank could be buffed, to have a lower floor, but the ceiling could remain the same or change very little

[plucky summit]

I do think the ceiling is logarithmic

As the x value would be the tank's maximum effectiveness, and y being the amount of skill needed to achieve that effectiveness

[past crane]

We should put ceiling and floor on a grid, and graph tanks like that
That’s an interesting project idea

Aka, something like (2, 1) would have a low floor and low ceiling.

Still haven’t totally figured it out yet but I should probably work on it

[plucky summit]

Currently making my example

[graceful iris]

eh the way chems explains it is the same i thought before

[past crane]

You just misinterpreted it lol

[plucky summit]

I guess it would help to say, as I think of it, the skill level of a player stays still, so if a tank was nerfed, and a player was already at the ceiling, then their extra skill is now useless, as the tank no longer has the effectiveness to award the skill

I just think it's kinda funny that NA took one side and EU took the other

[violet timber]

Diminishing returns 👍

[past crane]

In other words, ceiling is the max potential a tank has to perform at its ultimate capability.

I didn’t know EU and NA think of it differently, do they?

[graceful iris]

see how higher skill floor basically means easier? not my opinion but chems

[violet timber]

A higher skill floor requires more skill though

[plucky summit]

Is it easier when your skill level is now under the floor?

[graceful iris]

lmao no clipped out of floor

[past crane]

Obviously not
Your skill has to be higher than or on par with the floor to use the tank at its minimum.

[violet timber]

Player skill is not the floor, the skill required to drive the tank is the floor. I think that’s where you’re getting confused

[plucky summit]

Both skill floors indicate a player's experience with that game, in that image.

That assumed the player's skill changed when the armor indicator was "added"

[past crane]

Yeah the floor and ceiling only apply to the tank
Your skill is within the spectrum of that bar between floor and ceiling

[graceful iris]

alr

[plucky summit]

Not to say the total scale indicated the tank's effectiveness, that's what the floor and ceiling is for

The total scale is for player's skill

[past crane]

How I put it
The players skill level within the bar changes for each tank, depending how you perform in it or how well you use it

[plucky summit]

Here's an example graphic of my version of the idea

[past crane]

Ye. E50 is high ceiling low floor
Leo is high floor high ceiling
IS is low floor low ceiling
FV is high floor low ceiling

[plucky summit]

I'm debating myself of the skill floor of 183

Sure it's easy to play, but is it easy to make it effective? That's my argument

[past crane]

It’s hard to play really imo, but has no potential meaning once you can play it, there isn’t much else to do with I

[plucky summit]

The ceiling is low simply because 183 relies on the mistakes of the enemy :p

[past crane]

I would say in practice the floor is pretty low, but based on statistics it’s quite high

[plucky summit]

Can a bad player really pull 2k though?

The tank isn't accurate enough to pander a bad player

[past crane]

Sometimes RNG and the enemy can artificially lower the floor for a battle or two
But in reality the floor is quite high

[balmy compass]

What do you guys think the skill floor/ceiling ratio for the WZ-121 would be

[plucky summit]

High floor, medium ceiling

The same limitations that punish noobs would limit how well it performs at its best

[balmy compass]

Nice pun 😂
But I understand

Would E 100 have low floor?

[plucky summit]

p

Pun? 😳

[past crane]

Yes
But it has quite a high ceiling

[plucky summit]

I would say it has a medium ceiling, there's only so much you can do once the enemy presses 2

[past crane]

Yeah not like Leo levels
Closer to medium ig

Maus as well, has a slightly higher floor but about the same ceiling

[balmy compass]

I feel like Maus would have a decent high ceiling, but not too much because its built to block/absorb damage

[silent flicker]

When is new japanese tank will launched??

[balmy compass]

Later, nobody but WG knows

[plucky summit]

It's a high ceiling, but not in the way you'd think

Generally I'd say medium, because it's a high ceiling for supporting teammates, but a low one for countering enemies

[balmy compass]

What about Jageroo

I feel like Jageroo would have a low ceiling as the best it does is smack someone for 800 damage every 18 seconds

[plucky summit]

15 seconds 😳
14.96, if you use 100%, food, and rammer, specifically

But the fear factor and the way it can punish players but stay alive itself already demonstrates a medium ceiling

It's a potential effectiveness that makes it scary

[balmy compass]

Well I use cali because I want too and I also counted in aim time

[plucky summit]

Well, I tend to pre-aim before the enemy pops around the corner

Hence I spoke about fear factor and potential effectiveness 😄

[balmy compass]

Fear factor only works when you stare in the general direction of the enemy tank

[plucky summit]

Is that not easy to do?

[balmy compass]

I get flanked alot

[plucky summit]

That's the fault of your awareness and your teammates

[tough steeple]

So what tank has the highest skill ceiling then?

[plucky summit]

I believe the general playerbase would oust Leopard 1 as the highest, for tier 10, anyways

Unfortunately, Kpf 50t exists now

[hollow notch]

4202 gets spicy in capable hands

[plucky summit]

As does Kpf, since it's busted

[tough steeple]

Okay, what do u think about the Emil 1.

[plucky summit]

Low floor, medium ceiling

[hollow notch]

Dpm and the flexibility to apply it are the most important factors

[plucky summit]

Yeah, 183 is scary but it can't just run around hitting your rear like a Leo can

[tough steeple]

Okay, I think it has a pretty high ceiling since it can do 4v1 etc if you are good at it. And 5k games arent impossibly hard in it.

[plucky summit]

Yeah

[strange thicket]

It has a high ceiling in the sense of actually utilizing your HP and sacrificing it and fighting the instinct to always try to bounce

[ivory beacon]

lol

[plucky summit]

Yes but that doesn't take such a high skill level to achieve

[strange thicket]

disagree honestly, most people i have seen are doing mediocrely in it(not that i am doing that good)
the tank can be pushed to greater limits and the average player can't do that(or doesn't i dunno).

[plucky summit]

Yes, you just implied there's a skill ceiling, but not that it's a high one

[strange thicket]

what makes a high skill ceiling high though and what makes it low?
if the average player can't push the tank to its extent and it requires a unicum(not super) player to do so, doesn't that make the tank of a high skill ceiling?

[plucky summit]

I said it was medium, it certainly has the tools to brute out some damage, but it's no carry

[livid moss]

Is FV4202 line any good?

Or FV4005??

[plucky summit]

Both tier 10s are good, but the lines leading to them are not the best

I think they're not that painful at all, when maxed

[livid moss]

I think I should take FV4202

[edgy rock]

Are we ever gonna get wheeled vehicles in wotb, like say, an M1128?

[violet timber]

Hopefully no

[past crane]

Let’s hope not

[violet timber]

Also, of all examples you could’ve used, why a Stryker?

[wise moth]

A tank can simultaneously be difficult to make work, and also have limited potential in the hands of a good player. Something like the STA-1 or Batchat are good examples

[past crane]

High floor, low ceiling

[blissful hamlet]

Nah, at most an Sd.Kfz. 234

[strange thicket]

oh fair enough

[ivory beacon]

t49 152mm gun should get more penetration

[shy hound]

Nope, Ribble said maps too small

[violet timber]

Why is that?

[blissful osprey]

No. It’s good enough. If you can’t pen, that’s on you.

[elfin grove]

I can pen the tier IX maus

[violet timber]

Good for you

[elfin grove]

Hey I'm working hard getting a tier X it's going to be my first time

[ivory beacon]

nah

[violet timber]

Again, good for you

[elfin grove]

If you want to be rude go somewhere else

[violet timber]

What makes you think I’m being rude?

[past crane]

He’s not being rude
You’re just randomly saying stuff and we’re responding

[elfin grove]

I'm not saying random crap

[blissful osprey]

^

[elfin grove]

It's called vehicle discussion for a reason

[violet timber]

It’s great that you can pen the tier 9 mauschen, but where is the discussion part of that?

[past crane]

Yeah
It’s not contributing to meaningful discussion

[blissful osprey]

Tbh you’re saying stuff that we could care less about. It’s a vehicle discussion, it’s talking about how the tanks perform in-game. Saying stuff about you almost getting your first X doesn’t matter in this context, yet we’re still trying to be polite. Please have some consideration.

[past crane]

^^^

[edgy rock]

Cuz its one of my fav tanks, if you can call it that

[elfin grove]

What I'm saying about me penning a tier 9 maus I meant I'm having my tank Max so I can pin tier nines instead of me bouncing all them constantly

[past crane]

Alright
That’s good and all
We know
But it’s not exactly contributing to meaningful discussion here in this channel.

[violet timber]

Technically afv, but I get what you mean. The problem is that it’s incredibly modern, and should it be introduced, it would absolutely destroy anything it came across

[edgy rock]

Ik, but it was just an example
There are lots of other wheeled vehicles and half-tracks in the WWII era

[blissful osprey]

If you’re bouncing a bunch of IXs, then you should probably improve. For a IX, the Mauschen has a good gun.

@edgy rock The Stryker is a post-Cold War AFV. It won’t get added since it doesn’t even have tracks.

[past crane]

How about no wheelies

[violet timber]

I personally wouldn’t mind an M8 or Puma

[elfin grove]

I just got the maxed gun on it rn

[past crane]

Did you even hear what he said? @blissful osprey

[elfin grove]

Also the tiger 2 has really bad armor on it

[violet timber]

How so?

[elfin grove]

For some tanks I get shot in the front

[fast compass]

He plays a td or a tier 9. Or dabs the 2 key

[blissful osprey]

Ok, that’s definitely on you. They buffed the armor. Before the T34 could pen the crap out of the UFP. Now I have to fire APCR. The Tiger II’s armor is not weak. That’s you not being good at the game. Tsk, these Germany mains.

[violet timber]

The Tiger 2 has a relatively strong armor profile, unless you do what Jedi has just described

[past crane]

Yes
The problem is you not being able to utilize armor effectively

[elfin grove]

I have actually almost mastered the tiger two just that it's sometimes the teammates just don't want to help you at all

[past crane]

Teams can suck, of course
But you’re part of the team too, you must contribute as much to them as they to you

[violet timber]

The use of “sometimes” implies that there are times in which teammates want to help you, which is factually incorrect

[cedar coral]

hi

[elfin grove]

When I say help they just don't do it all they are is just a bunch of bots

[blissful osprey]

“Almost” means nothing. Getting a mastery or any other mastery medal means little. Half the time it’s the fact the enemy are completely incompetent.

[past crane]

You’d be suprised, I’ve had some great games where my team works as one and actually helps each other

But of course
Teams wildly vary from game to game

[violet timber]

There are the occasional players who will help, but 9 times out of 10 it’s you versus 7 hp pinatas, but you have 6 Hp pinatas to help you

[civic iron]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-impossible-marvel-shocked-gif-15104180

[past crane]

Sometimes you are the piñata depending on your skill lol

[elfin grove]

I get those

[blissful osprey]

I think Hat plays in Asia, so I can understand his claim.

[edgy rock]

Lmao thats the best description ive heard yet

[violet timber]

I do have an Asia account that I haven’t played on in a while

[fast compass]

Teamwork. Hmmm. Terms that you learn after you do PhD in the game

[blissful osprey]

NA? EU?

[past crane]

He’s NA

[violet timber]

NA

[blissful osprey]

Alright, but at this point, we’re getting off track. Essentially, @elfin grove, what we (specifically, me, because I will be brutally honest here) want to say is that you suck and you need to stop pinning the blame on garbage teams and the tank you’re playing when you clearly have room to improve.

[past crane]

That doesn’t mean you can’t improve
If you have any questions don’t hesitate to ask us

[blissful osprey]

^

[edgy rock]

I have a question

[violet timber]

Angle your turret!

[past crane]

Yes
My DMs are always open and you can platoon with me if you wish @elfin grove

[edgy rock]

In the gravity force gamemode, i keep getting rammed by VKs (the ones that look like small Mauses) as if thats the only strategy they know, and since i play russian heavies (mainly the KV line) im too slow to dodge and end up dying really fast

What do i do in these situations??

[violet timber]

Basically, there’s nothing you can do.

[past crane]

https://tenor.com/view/unstoppable-at-this-point-dave-olson-dolson-smite-on-fire-gif-17355564

[blissful osprey]

Nothing, except shoot them to slow them down.

[edgy rock]

But i literally cant pen their frontal armor

[violet timber]

Press two.

[civic iron]

I’m one of those vk players lmao, it’s actually quite fun to turn into a freight train once in a while and deal 1.3k damage purely by ramming

[edgy rock]

Wdym press 2

[violet timber]

Press that 2 key, load that prammo

[blissful osprey]

That’s not the point. Shooting them slows them down, allowing you to either 1) take less ram damage, or 2) turn away from them.

[edgy rock]

Im on mobile i dont have a 2 key

[violet timber]

It’s just a saying, it means load prammo

[blissful osprey]

Huh? You don’t know how to access prammo? Excuse me?

[civic iron]

Or just break the track, it’s that simple

[edgy rock]

Sorry im relatively new to the game what does prammo mean

[violet timber]

Premium ammunition. The one with more penetration

[edgy rock]

Im a free to play player though

[blissful osprey]

That too.

[violet timber]

You can buy it for credits

[edgy rock]

Ludicrous amounts of them

[civic iron]

It’s quite annoying, speaking as one of the vk spammers

[blissful osprey]

Have you been following the news? The economy update changed everything. Prem rounds are actually a bit less expensive.

[edgy rock]

I knew camos were changed but i didnt know prem rounds were changed too

[blissful osprey]

Standard rounds became free as well.

[dusty dawn]

There is a weakness in the machine gun port. Small target but it is there.

[dusty dawn]

Also lower glacis and the track wheel. Try to get them to miss so you can get side and back shots

[edgy rock]

Werent standard rounds already free?

[civic iron]

Nein

[edgy rock]

Oh

Well, thanks for the tips and info guys

[dusty dawn]

Happy has videos of ppl shooting Vks and their weak spots

[violet timber]

Don’t listen to happy, most of his “weak spots” require rng, and they only work when the enemy is sitting still

[sweet whale]

Pz 4 star chaser?

[past crane]

They mean the Pz. IV S with it's "TIE fighter" camouflage

[balmy compass]

(-o-)

[boreal spruce]

star wars moment (cough T34 cough)

[light turtle]

OooooOoo

[graceful iris]

With stats and playstyle, IS-4 and tiger 2 are pretty similar from what i see. I'll probably grind IS-4 soon since tiger 2 is my fav tank and tank in which i do best

Sooo few questions
Am i correct on them having similar playstyle?
Is kv-4 good in gravity?
Is top gun necessary on kv-4 or is third gun (d25t) good enough?
Is ST-1 good in gravity?

[boreal spruce]

tier for tier.
so both have average sized calibres for their tier and type
both have decent armour (the difference is the is4's turret is stronk and the tiger 2 turret at its tier can be pen'ed by td/s
and the IS4 for its tier is faster.
both tanks have similar playstyles.👍

[boreal spruce]

so heavy tanks imo are not good in gravity. (unless they weigh a ton ofc. )
the top gun on the kv4 is better than the 122mm, the 107mm has much better pen (but sad DPM)
and ST1 becasue its not heavier than 100tons, and its a heavy tanki wouldnt play it in gravity

[carmine rivet]

Im not dumb you moron, the fact kpz has more dpm than leo and move armor btw is dumb, leo 1 has and always should be only about dpm, no one playes the leo other than that and it should be stay as the med with best dpm

Leo1 gets screwed by any other med if it isnt a Brawl shooting on the reload and no im not dumb I know how to play the leo1 and im 7th or 6th place in it

[carmine rivet]

You and samu talking alot of big words, if you are a 40er or 50 you should not talk

[plucky summit]

I’m a 60 🤷‍♂️

[carmine rivet]

Ima look u up rn

[carmine rivet]

Oh my you are worse

Please dont talk about leo 1 with big words if you probably do bad in, leo 1 is a tank for dpm just pure dpm and always had been, the fact a tank that wg just sold has better dpm and has armor is what I think is dumb because leo should always stay on top of every med in dpm but kpz has more dpm and has e50 armor which armor sure whatever but it should have less dpm maybe russian med dpm

[plucky summit]

Tell me when I really cared about Leo 1 🤦‍♂️

I don't care about what happens to it, if anything I'd rather the 50t get nerfed

I used the Leopard 1 as an example at most, I wasn't intending to suggest any balance changes

Now, if the words I used up there really are 'big words', then I think you may need to tighten that category quite a bit 😂

[tepid geyser]

💀

[boreal spruce]

just personally, the leo still has the beter gun stats. the leo also has the better speed (34p/w vs the 50t's 18p/w) the leo is balanced as it is. the 50T is just slightly Meta. (needs a top speed nerf imo to about 50km)@carmine rivet

[plucky summit]

I do think Kpf doesn't need the DPM advantage at all

[boreal spruce]

hmm true. it just needs a nerf somewhere. DPM or top speed imo.

[boreal spruce]

small house

[wooden gulch]

Ye, it was a church back in the day

[thorny smelt]

DPM nerf. It should be in between Leopard 1 and E50 M's DPM.

[carmine rivet]

Dpm

[plucky summit]

I'd say less than E M's

[misty wing]

What if they made a tank that had broken stats across the board, but zero gun depression

[balmy compass]

sounds alot like T 100 LT to me

[violet timber]

@carmine rivet Are you part of weegee's balancing department? Because you instantly went to buff A tank because B tank is better, whenever just nerfing B tank would do the trick. This whole buff mentality is not a good thing because it just leads to more disparity between tiers

[boreal spruce]

cries in the Obj263

[misty wing]

263 also has pretty bad gun handling now

[past fractal]

T14 Armata but they gave it no gun depression

It wont work because the tank has broken armor for wotb’s time lol, it can just wedge up and use gun elevation

Fast speed means it is hard to circle by lights and mediums

[misty wing]

Am I alone in thinking the T-90 looks cooler than the armata

[past fractal]

I neither agree nor disagree, I am just not too sure how they look like lol

All I know is that Armata is a new tank Russia has been building, and everything else

[misty wing]

you can find images and videos of them online

[lapis gulch]

From europe nation what should i get

[nimble spruce]

Kranvagn and 60TP

[ancient birch]

Is su-100y worth keeping or selling?

[violet timber]

All of them

[graceful iris]

Thanks for help

Kv4 will probably be good in gravity since it's around 100 tons

[mental knot]

I think you should keep it

[boreal spruce]

yep, but imo the vk100 and kv5 are also good

[mental knot]

Which tank is better to buy
IS or KV-3?

[lyric oriole]

In my opinion, IS

That Mobility pairs fantastic with the gun and armor

[graceful iris]

Yup. Kv5 is famous for it's ramming capabilities lol

[acoustic galleon]

KV-3 is much better.

[odd cove]

and slower

[acoustic galleon]

Its still decently fast for a heavy.

[odd cove]

IS is fast for a heavy

tho by the end of the line ill take the is4 over the is7

[acoustic galleon]

Speed is irrelevant, a heavy needs to tank and hit back hard.

The KV series is good for this.

All the tier 7 to tier 9 tanks in the IS line do is occupy a heavy slot while being useless to the team.

Maybe the super unicums make them work, the average player does not.

[past crane]

As an average player, I could make the IS, IS-3, even the IS-8 work.
They have a gun, and they have mobility, which is essential in todays meta.

And the KV-3 is a lot slower now, it got a speed nerf down to 30kph and worse P2W ratio as well.

[thorny smelt]

IS to IS-8 are basically chonky mediums while the KV-3 to ST-I are assault heavies

[odd cove]

the is3 can be good in an average player's hands because of it's reliable armor, speed, and gun

[past crane]

It’s all about playstyle
None of them are bad, they just hold different roles on the battlefield

[odd cove]

the ST-I was painful

[thorny smelt]

Well I have 0 regrets

[past crane]

Reliable turret armor
Hull can tank some shells from meds and lower tier heavies but it’s always better to hulldown if you can.

The ST1 was a painful grind for me lol, but it’s worth it. The real low point is the KV-4. Both gun options are very mediocre, it’s essentially just a meat shield to soak up hits.

[thorny smelt]

KV-4's cupola may be weaker against high pen guns but it can be troll on others. It's still good for side-scraping.

[odd cove]

luckily i fexp'd through the t8 and the rest of the ST-I

[thorny smelt]

I only FXP ST-I's top turret and gun.

[past crane]

It’s a sidescrape monster really, the armor is quite good.

It just can’t bite back the way other heavies can. The 122 has decent ROF and the alpha, but no pen meaning you need calibrated and must fight at close range.

The 107 has great pen, but awful gun handling and ROF for its caliber. Not to mention it tends to low roll a ton, at least for me.

[thorny smelt]

I've been using the 107 mm ZiS-24 gun for almost all of my matches and I'm loving it.

[acoustic galleon]

Lol K.

[past crane]

Depends on the user I guess
Then again, I also like to run weird gun options on some of my tanks so I shouldn’t judge

I still prefer the 20pdr to the 105 on the Charioteer, so much more flexible

[thorny smelt]

I sold my KB-4 once I got the ST-I after I spam Ratings. KB-4 is the only tier 8 tank I had that has the 100% crew mastery.

[past crane]

lol you must grind fast.

My rule is that I must get the last tank up to 100% crew and at least have 5 equipment slots before I can research the next one

[thorny smelt]

KB-4 may be pain when I play pubs but when it comes to Ratings, it's very different.

I have plenty of premiums and TS-5 is my go-to tank for Ratings

[misty wing]

I don't see the connection between the KV-4 and the TS-5 there

[odd cove]

epic subject change

[thorny smelt]

Well I use them both in Ratings but okay

[misty wing]

well you implied that the KV-4 is less of a pain in ratings, but then when you proceeded to talk about your ratings meta, you brought up premiums and the TS-5 instead of following up on the KV-4

[odd cove]

using the phase 1 in ratings

[thorny smelt]

I always keep an eye on my WR when I play pubs when I was playing with my KB-4, or any tank in general. Back to KB-4, I'd say it's not everyone's cup of tea for a slow superheavy unlike its premium sibling, KB-5.

[thorny smelt]

I haven't seen one before when I play Ratings last month

[odd cove]

almost no one has it lmao

[thorny smelt]

Most frequently used tier 8 tanks in Ratings as I had noticed last month are the Progetto M35 mod 46, Chimera and Emil I and 1951. I might forgot other tanks.

[strange thicket]

yeah basically meta tanks
also the ae phase 1 is ridiculously rare

[misty wing]

Maybe the best IS clones, like 252U and 53TP

[thorny smelt]

AE Phase 1 is as rare as unicorns then?

[strange thicket]

almost
borderline nonexistent

[odd cove]

only people who will have them are hardline spenders, and not even

[strange thicket]

Me:
just plays 50tp prototyp

[odd cove]

i usually use the E5 and 60tp in ratings ngl

[strange thicket]

wouldn't use the E5 myself
60tp definitely
ratings is all about meta tanks
50tp prototyp is tier 9 meta but not many people have it i guess
the event sucked and was hard to grind

[odd cove]

im very used to the E5 even after the nerf, still play it the same and rely on the gun and team to watch the flanks

[strange thicket]

no reason for it with the IS7 around
but to each their own

[odd cove]

i get wary of the ammo rack when i play the is7

[strange thicket]

what ammo rack 😂
you must be living in the past, thing was "fixed"(wasn't an issue to begin with) since a couple of updates i think

[umbral hamlet]

then you just don't know how to play it, a non-angled is7 has 400mm+ of armor

[strange thicket]

60tp takes the crown of the worse ammorack in tier 10 heavies currently

[solid gate]

Wish

[umbral hamlet]

exactly, it can even be ammoracked by 120mm guns like kran

[odd cove]

hmk

[thorny smelt]

I also noticed that. 60TP is quite common in tier 10 matches in Ratings

[umbral hamlet]

yes, because it's a quite strong tank, and in the hands of a capable player it's really difficult to counter

[sage vector]

is T32 good?

[scarlet kernel]

Yes, but not fun

[sage vector]

why

[blissful igloo]

No

[sage vector]

why?

[blissful igloo]

Only have a great turret and depression, dont have dpm, penetration(you cant pen some tier 8 even w Premium), speed, side armor(you just cant sidescrap) and a high dispersion.

[sage vector]

oh ok its very good

[blissful igloo]

Are you making E5 line?

[sage vector]

i have no idea what am i talking

[scarlet kernel]

For me atleast, it's slow, gun is not great (by that i mean bad)
the only thing you have is armor, that's it

[blissful igloo]

I have the E5, dont worth anymore, after the nerf this tank cant do much, some nerf that it got is just not logical, my american boi need to be great again

[strange thicket]

what the hell are you talking about?
it got plenty enough DPM and pen
hulldown invulnerability(impenetrable turret+ very strong hull)
who cares about dispersion and side scraping(inferior tactic relative to hulldown)
you also got Sconsumables to make up for the speed and to add more into the ridiculous vitality it has @blissful igloo

[strange thicket]

one of the best if not the best Tier 8

[strange thicket]

🤦‍♂️

[scarlet kernel]

Like i said, it's good, but not fun

[strange thicket]

gun is not great > false
slow > you have super consumables
only thing you have is armor > false

[scarlet kernel]

Gun is not great, in the sense that it's not special and it is still not great
Slow, without the super cons you are
Armor, all you do to make the tank good is utilize the armor

[strange thicket]

gun is very much decent and alright, they buffed its pen recently(they shouldn't have) and now it is competent enough. unless you want it to have isu-152 armament or something 🤨
why would you not use super cons? that is on you.
armor, yes it got very great armor(good luck penning it if it is hull down lmao)
very high HP too
sand bags if you are crazy enough and want more durability
easily one of the best tier 8s if not the best

[scarlet kernel]

again i said it's a good tank

It's just NOT FUN, not special, and extremely boring that i have to use capslock and two * for it

[strange thicket]

oh it is very special
but indeed it is boring. you are basically on easy mode while playing the tank

[scarlet kernel]

Like, if i have the chance to pick
Between the t32 and a stupid overrated action X

I would pick the action X

[strange thicket]

that wasn't the question, the question was the tank good
and it is better than the action x, by hundreds of miles too.
you said it has a bad gun(false) and bad speed(use sconsumables), and only has armor(nope). i just corrected that misinformation

[scarlet kernel]

Still, the gun is bad. It is decent for tier 8 and i think all 100-105 mm gun tier 8 tech tree ht is bad

Except for the autoloaders

[strange thicket]

well, all i can say is that is all you pal.

[misty wing]

the T32 is good, but "just use the super consumables" doesn't nullify the argument that the tank is indeed very sluggish.

imo they should have kept the hull armor and pen bad, and buffed the mobility to make it a bit more of a heavium
like it literally looks like a beefed up pershing, it should play more like one

[past fractal]

Nah its good now

Imagine its pre buff bad pen against current tier 8 hts, good luck

[thick trout]

The T32 was a good tank. Before the super consumables, before the upper plate buff, before the gun buff, before the hp buff. Now it's obnoxiously overpowered.

People just couldn't handle not being able to meme pen every heavy they came against despite being impenetrable hulldown and having all the time in the world to aim.

[strange thicket]

it very much nullifies it
who cares? just use the consumable early on, get to a hulldown position and you are petty much set.
i don't see how it doesn't nullify it

[misty wing]

Because you're giving up a consumable slot to have better mobility like 15% of the time
And it doesn't solve the main mobility problem which is the awful traverse

[strange thicket]

who
cares?
why should i care about traverse and mobility when i am invincible while hulldown?
you want a beefed up pershing play the sherrif lmao.
ridiculous, it already has so much it is not even a problem. and you have the super consumable to take on positions without being left out but okay

[acoustic galleon]

T32 already has good armor, especially hulldown and after the buff a good gun.

It doesn't need excellent mobility too, that will make it OP.

[thick trout]

... it has significantly better than good armour, and it also has very good mobility too with the consumables. It is op...

[strange thicket]

but but
it doesn't have the gun of an ISU-152
and the mobility of a pershing.
so bad, pls buff!!!

[misty wing]

Lol I said keep the bad pen and hull armor, but I guess you guys are just gonna ignore that

The tank is not supposed to be a god of armor, but rather a more heavily armored version of an existing medium

[strange thicket]

and i said there is already a beefed up pershing so
there is kinda no point

[misty wing]

The T32 has been out for longer than the T26E5 though, so realistically it's the opposite

[strange thicket]

ah right, fair enough

[wise moth]

This is cap. There's no citation on wikipedia for that data, and it's not likely that they would create a successor to a tank that wasn't even really a central part of doctrine

[misty wing]

I guess everything is a successor to the Sherman jumbo huh

[misty wing]

Wargaming wiki says more or less the same thing. Obviously also not completely trustworthy, but at least if WG made up the info themselves it proves that the "Sherman jumbo successor" is the role they wanted the T32 to fill

[violet timber]

It is actually supposed to be able to bounce anything it came across, as that was the main reason for creating the Jumbo. The Jumbo was a stopgap heavy tank because America realize that the normal Sherman didn’t have enough armor to withstand the big German guns

The T32 was literally created to be a beefed up Pershing with a bigger gun, enough armor to spar with German Heavy tanks, and the mobility was an afterthought

[misty wing]

That sounds more like the T95's role tbh

But iirc that was developed for a potential invasion of Japan, and i have no idea why

[violet timber]

It was developed to fight German heavies, the Pershing never made it to Japan, the Sherman’s we’re doing fine there

[slate spear]

Is the Chinese tds good?

[violet timber]

They’re okay

[thick trout]

I wouldn't call this bad hull armour by any means, so that means you are left with a fast heavy, that's impenetrable hulldown with a good front, loads of hp with a decent gun, but it's not overpowered because it's currently got the 56th and 44th our of 103 best standard and prammo pen respectively at tier 8?

[slate spear]

finally my pain is gone

[misty wing]

I meant the hull armor before they buffed it -_-

[blissful osprey]

On Mines, the hull changes actually makes it hard to pen the UFP with a T34. Talk about ridiculous.

And then there were the penetration changes.

[livid moss]

App name?

[umbral hamlet]

Armor Inspector

[livid moss]

Android?

[umbral hamlet]

you can get it on play store or use it from the website

[graceful iris]

Are 251 and leo 1 similar in playstyle?

[balmy compass]

I would say so, except Leo doesn’t have the HE pen gimmik

[graceful iris]

Thanks. Tho is 251 accuracy good? It feels bad but maybe it's because of 75% crew..

[tough steeple]

What tank has the lowest skill floor

[balmy compass]

Imo its great, I think I could snipe with it despite being a light tank 😂

[umbral hamlet]

it's pretty accurate imo, you definitely don't feel like it due to your stock crew

[umbral hamlet]

probably the Annihilator

[tough steeple]

Okay, in terms of researchable tanks then?

[proper crest]

i played Ru251 and for its speed,it has good accuracy,but been long time so idk nowadays maybe got nerf