vehicles-discussion

[wintry orchid]

Sidescrape first then and go out after (oc this works better for like mid 50 wr but still)

[solid gate]

vk72 is by no means bad, not when you factor in the busted frontal armor with basically the thickest lower plate in tier 10 plus a great hulldown profile and its one of the best facehuggers in the game

[wintry orchid]

But has is got gun dep

[solid gate]

yeah thats exactly how you should play the jag, except when you sidescrape with it you always take damage because your superstructure cheeks are always exposed before and after you peek, so the whole point of outtrading enemies with your alpha is null, not to mention the jag reverses so slowly that by the time you can get your gun on target, the enemy has already retreated behind cover

[wintry orchid]

Ok then calm down it’s just a funny deep tank to bounce noobs…

[tranquil wigeon]

Is the AMX 50 100 and the T69 worth it? Asking before it's all too late.

[solid gate]

7 degrees is perfectly workable

[wintry orchid]

Ok do that then I don’t wanna get an ok tank if I can have 60tp etc (which I don’t already have)

[solid gate]

yeah but he asked for the VK72 or the Jag, not the 60TP

i agree with you in that the 60TP is better than both, but he wasnt asking about the 60TP

With who I can talk to?

[misty wing]

huh
do you mean who you can ask for help or something?

[violet timber]

I’m here if you need advice

[solid gate]

No

I don't know with who I can speak

[misty wing]

you can talk to anyone here

[solid gate]

Okay

[winged night]

well its maybe a little bit offtopic but tbh. I would like to see a remodel of the IS-8 in T-10 here 🙂

[misty wing]

It's not offtopic really
vehicles discussion should be more than just stats

[winged night]

agree

[hollow moth]

Under average TD but with high alpha and pen > heavy with the lowest DPM in the tier 10, but at least "works well in facehug"

[solid gate]

i can pull 3.2k+ consistently with my vk72 despite the dpm being like 2300, so idk what ur talking about

this is like saying the kran is bad because it has bad dpm

[hollow moth]

Well, highly skilled players will do well in anything even if the gun is actually extremely bad for a heavy, that's what they do after all

[solid gate]

lemme rephrase it for you

“underaverage TD that shoots itself in the foot because it cant trade consistently due to poor aim time, bad gun arc, and bad armor profile < heavy tank with great all round armor that can hulldown, sidescrape, and brawl and still do well despite the low dpm because it has arguably the thickest frontal armor in tier 10”

[spring hull]

Rhm borsig has all of those yet it performs so well for me

[hollow moth]

If you're going for a trade in Jagdpanzer E100 you're already doing it all wrong, go just close enough to resolve the bad aim bloom, but not too close. If you know that the armor is bad, then you know that it's not made for trading

[scarlet kernel]

Im not a 3d modeler, but i made a really rough model of what such vehicle's frontal armor may looks like in my head

Here is the front view at ground level, and then the side view

[spring hull]

It’s my top damage dealer and top tank to go to for fun. Never fails me 👍👍

[spring hull]

The bottom one looks like a paper airplane

[hollow moth]

As for the Vk, good luck trying to sidescrale. The turret makes a circle shape on the hull. All we need if it's there

[solid gate]

how would you play the jag then? if you go in close you get murdered because you only have 2k HP, poor traverse, and huge drive sprockets that anyone can track and deal damage through

[scarlet kernel]

Ima call this fictional vehicle the "prot. model-021"

[solid gate]

point is, the jag has zero place in this game as it is now because all the supposed advantages it has are negated in practice, whereas you can actually rely on the vk72 more

[spring hull]

What about the E100? It has similar weak spots that are massive and easy to aim at

It’s hull is also more or less the same as the jag

[solid gate]

jag cant brawl, it cant snipe, it cant trade, it cant do anything

[hollow moth]

Support line, not too far away neither too close. Either watch out for popular areas and shot unprepared players or support heavies using them as sponge. The armor can't be trusted, but it blocks one or two shots if you get lucky

[scarlet kernel]

What it can do, is bring fun

[hollow moth]

As like if there was only 3 roles in the game

[solid gate]

you take one shot and people know where you are then avoid you like the plague

[hollow moth]

You overestimate the players in this game

[scarlet kernel]

As a jagd E100 player, i can't deny the tank is absolutely garbage

But i played it so many times cause the tank is very fun to play

[solid gate]

yeah but the E100 has 800 more HP and a fully traversable turret

[hollow moth]

Not that garbage, but if anyone wants a TD in tier 10, there's way better options

[spring hull]

Grille

[hollow moth]

T110E3 does everything that Jageroo does, but you can be much more agressive and actually take place in the frontline

[scarlet kernel]

Exactly, it's a bad tank if we compare it to many others. But i played that tank more cause it's way more fun

[spring hull]

So what kind of buff does Jag need to be powerful again

[hollow moth]

None. Not every tank needs to be strong, they just need to fill their purpose. Jageroo fills its purpose very well even if it's bad.

[scarlet kernel]

Big 17cm gun with high dpm and decent aim time, really heavy good to ram in modes etc.

Not used for competitive, fun machine only

[spring hull]

What about the Death Star is it still fun to use?

[hollow moth]

Who actually plays competitive on this game aside from the people who receive money from the game and tryharders?

[spring hull]

The only reason I don’t grind for the Death Star is cuz all the tech tree tanks in its line are trash and painful to use

[solid gate]

you just described the problems with the jag

its a support vehicle that cant even support itself

tanks with carry potential are inherently more powerful in this game because they have some aspect that allows you to still be competitive even without teammates

what happens when your heavies die or you get flanked and counterpushed, or enemy TD fire locks you out of a position? the jag is bad because is has neither a role in the game nor does it have the capacity to support itself; you rely on your team and the enemy team to do well in it. every time you press battle in the jag, you roll the dice because you HAVE to get either a good team or bad enemies, oftentimes both, just to come out with a victory

[hollow moth]

a few hours later, sussybaka stills texting all angry about how a stupid TD is one of the most horrible tanks in tier 10

[solid gate]

rlly gonna make fun of me for arguing a point after you come in over half an hour after the original convo ended but go on ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[spring hull]

I think they should buff the Death Star line so that tanks like At7 and tortoise will be like their tier 5 counterpart, the AT 2 which is extremely hard to penetrate for tier 4 and 5 tanks from the front, the only spots you can pen are it’s hatch which is trollish and maybe the tracks if they’re angled too much.

I think At7, At8, At15 and tortoise should be more like At2

[hollow moth]

Not much tanks can support itself after all, mostly support tanks. If it's meant to support someone, it's because you're not supposed to go alone. It's a team game after all lmao

[solid gate]

if you think teams are something you can rely on in this game, keep dreaming

[hollow moth]

Well, that's what support tanks exist for, complain to wg, not me

[spring hull]

The At2 has some obvious weaknesses, you can easily flank it even if you’re a heavy tank. But the armour is almost invincible on the front against tier 4s and 5s. Tier 6s can penetrate you only with premium ammunition.

But the rest of the line are not like At2, they have so many easy weak spots

[solid gate]

im not gonna complain to wg because i like the jag

he asked whether he should get the vk72 or the jag, and i said the vk72 because the vk can at least be self sufficient, unlike the jag which cracks nearly instantly under any sort of pressure from enemies

[spring hull]

This is why I prefer glass cannon TDs. They’re silent and hard to spot if you use it right.

Also why I play rhm borsig a lot.

“Heavy” TDs like jag just aren’t my thing

[hollow moth]

Don't think that Vk 72 is self sufficient too, with fewer targets on the front, the enemies will only look to your painful lower plate. It have got a painful reload too

[solid gate]

u realize that ur only helping my argument more right

[bitter crystal]

i already have t29 and almost buying t32, should i still keep on grinding t110e5?

._ .

[solid gate]

vk 72 has a base reload of 17.74 at 100% crew with no equipment or provisions while the jag has a base reload of 17.04, so its not like the jag is magically better because it outreloads the vk72 by 7 tenths of a second

not to mention that the VK72 has literally the thickest frontal armor out of any tier 10 heavy tank with a consistent 240mm across the entire frontal hull, compared to the jag's 150mm lower plate

and forcing the enemies to try and look for your lower plate is a GOOD thing because it means youre exercising some degree of control over them and forcing them to make decisions, at which point you exploit that by hiding your lower plate, maybe behind some hard cover or by sidescraping or even just by going on a downslope to generate artificial angles and turn it red

vk 72 LFP is by no means "painful," not when literally every other heavy in the game has to load gold and kill their DPM by 10-20% just to pen it reliably

[solid gate]

yes, the E5 is a good tank

[hollow moth]

But here's a funny thing, comparing the Jageroo E100 armor to Vk 72 isn't actually trustworthy. One is meant to be played like a heavy, the other isn't by no way. One really needs high armor values and fails to prammo, other doesn't really need much armor because you're going to just support

[solid gate]

so the jag doesnt need armor because its a "support tank," yet it has the armor for some reason, which only kills the mobility and reduces your ability to react to sudden situations

this is exactly my point, the jag is a bad tank because it does not fill any meta role in the game, it falls behind other tanks in the "support" role, nor does it have the capacity to support itself if its caught off guard or become isolated or left alone

[balmy compass]

I personally love the jag for what it is, although the armor isn’t perfect its good, but I do play front line with it so it depends on how you play it

[solid gate]

not to mention the "armor" youre talking about rarely works because its a huge metal box with massive tracks, a massive side profile, a massive lower plate, and huge cheeks that are so obvious hellen keller could see them

[hollow moth]

Yes, it has armor because you're going for a heavy lane, somewhere that blocking two or three shots can mean half of your HP. You don't need to trust the armor, but not on the same way you don't trust the Grille's armor.

[balmy compass]

You also just described the Maus and the E 100

[solid gate]

reasons why the jag is bad

1. you can't support yourself in the even of a sudden change in the battle (flank, your team folds, etc)

2. other tanks do your "support" job better and are better for getting out damage consistently (see grille 15 and object 268) or just do your job flat out better (T110E3)

3. you have no role in this game because you dont have the necessary traits to compete with other tanks in youll be facing if you did try to play those roles. You try to frontline? get screwed because you cant reliably trade with other heavies, especially since going heavy route means youre facing multiple enemies who are going to be breathing down your neck. You try to snipe? Grille does your job better, not to mention the jag has poor traverse, poor bloom, and bad aim time, meaning you cant snap shots or track fast moving targets at range. You play as a "support?" Other tanks do your job better (see 268). More or less the same effective penetration but with a more consistent gun and infinitely better mobility, not to mention much better camo rating, so you can actually sit in spots and exploit them for damage without being spotted and locked out of positions by enemy tanks.

this shouldnt even be an argument

[hollow moth]

Also, since when support tanks can support itself when caught offguard? What does the support TD do when caught off guard?
1- Cry and accept it's fate
2- Try to shot until die (which probably will happen)
3- Pray for an allie come on time
4- All of the above at the same time

Yes, I do agree with you and I'm not disagreeing about the "other tanks do this role better" as i can say exactly the same for Vk 72

[balmy compass]

You seem to be looking for a nearly perfect tank, I just play tanks I like for fun

[scarlet kernel]

I've made the rear side

I've realised the hull is becoming a hybrid of IS-6 with t22 medium, but more angled

[misty wing]

bro I don't think anyone's paying attention to that through their argument lol, maybe post that later

[solid gate]

so then why are you here arguing? the point is that the jag has absolutely NOTHING going for it, whereas the VK72 does have some stuff going for it

[scarlet kernel]

Oh, i thought the chat died

[solid gate]

he asked which one he should grind for, and i suggested the vk72 for the exact reason i just posted above

[lyric copper]

I’d like to think that the Jpz is merely an alternative to the 183 with better armour, a reliable gun, but at the lack of a turret

[balmy compass]

Apparently not lol

[scarlet kernel]

Alr i'll came back later, hopefully with the turret

[hollow moth]

Jag is the classic "You want to play that tank for fun", meanwhile almost none plays the Vk 72 or even remember it's existence for a reason

[solid gate]

i dont see how this supports what youre saying

"the jag is better because more people play it, which means the vk 72 is bad because less people play it"

maybe consider the fact that half the playerbase is 9 year olds who go for the E100/183 because "hurr durr big gun," ofc theyre going to be attracted the the jagdpanzer over the vk72

[misty wing]

I play the vk 72, it's pretty fun, and I ground it over the maus and e100

[hollow moth]

Not much people play the Vk 72, because if they wanted to, everyone knows that there's better options

A lot of people plays Jagdpanzer E100 because it's a better 183. There's better options, but you want it merely for the alpha

You got it now?

[balmy compass]

Whats the reload with 100% crew and crew rations

[misty wing]

15.6 with rammer

[hollow moth]

Dear lord, Vk 72 enjoyer, I though that this creature was extinct

[misty wing]

I also have a vk90 but I play the vk72 over it

[hollow moth]

For the same reason that "Jagdpanzer is bad because a T110E3 can do better on the match", 60TP does better than Vk 72, it works for both tanks

[hollow moth]

Ok, sorry uf it offends you, but that's a quite weird taste

[solid gate]

i can agree with that, but youre missing the point

in the original question, he asked whether he should grind the jag or the vk72, and i said the vk72 because its an objectively more consistent tank that can support itself better than the jag can, because thats how i judge tanks, by comparing their performance, not their "fun factor"

if he wanted a tank with fun factor then i would have immediately said the jag because the jag's playstyle is the same as the 183: sit at the back and eat chips while you press left click every 20 seconds or so and laugh as some poor soul loses a third of their HP in one shot, whereas with the vk72 you have to actually apply brainpower when you play it, which some people arent into

he just asked which one he should grind and i put out my opinion thats not even an opinion but is basically just objective fact, and you come in here rambo style half an hour after i finish talking and then throw some underhanded comments when i try to defend my point

he never clarified what he was looking for when he asked which one to grind, so i assumed for him

[hollow moth]

I can say the same, but for the other side

[lyric copper]

trying to compare the E3 to the JPz isn’t what I’d do

the Jpz is there to deal massive damage, but still retain the armour to take a few hits

It shares more in common with the 183 rather than the E3 imo

again, I see the Jpz as the 183 that lost some alpha, HESH, and a turret for

better accuracy, actual prammo, and armour to take some shots

both have their merits when compared to each other

[solid gate]

so then why are you even arguing with me in the first place?

[hollow moth]

Because I have nothing else to do, that's what I do i this server since when I left the game

[solid gate]

i judge tanks based on their performance in battle and you dont, but you still try to debate it with me when our standards arent even the same and theres no basis on which we can debate vk72 vs jag

[hollow moth]

I judge tanks based on their role, comparing rawlly a support tank with a heavy is weird in the first place

[solid gate]

then next time say that first so we dont waste an hour of our time going back and forth over something that we werent on the same page on to begin with

[misty wing]

I feel like they should reduce vk72's weight by like 10-15 tons to make it more mobile

it really shouldn't weight 120 tons the way it is

[hollow moth]

Meh, cool then

[hollow moth]

120 tons is kinda of an enormous weight trully

[violet timber]

@scarlet kernel Decided to make a tank based off your Prot. Model-021

55 kph top speed on the road, though abysmal p/w (Around 13 iirc). 120mm gun able to penetrate 212mm of armor (Though guns in Sprocket are heavily underpowered so I'd compare it to maybe a modern-ish IS-4 gun)

[spark basin]

seems balanced to me

[violet timber]

The perfect tank for all your side scraping dreams, with very angled plates meant to deflect shells while having minimal nominal armor. This does however lead to a rather underpowered engine, leading to mobility issues despite the ability to reach a high top speed due to thin tracks

[violet timber]

It’s actually one of the more balanced tanks that I’ve made. Gun depression is 6.5 degrees, which is rather nice should you want to get your upper plate and turret a bit more angled

Just imagine peeking over a ridge and seeing this

[spark basin]

bruh if thats one of your more balanced tanks then i dread to see your other balanced tanks

[violet timber]

I have some tanks that are rather… overpowered to say the least coughcough200mmOfFrontalArmorWith25DegreesOfGunDepressioncoughcough

I’ve also made some more MBT like tanks which would break the meta

[thorny smelt]

Kpfpz-70 with 69 kmph max speed: 👀

[violet timber]

The MBT-70 we have in game is a bit disappointing tbh

[thorny smelt]

I know how it feels. I rarely use that tank than 50TP Prototyp.

[misty wing]

I want a tank with 500mm of frontal armor but 1mm of side and rear armor with a 100% chance of being set on fire if hit there

[violet timber]

MY go to tier 9 is the 30 1er Proto

@misty wing If only sprocket let you have more than 200mm of armor

[thorny smelt]

E5 is easy to ignite its engine

[spark basin]

thats normal

[scarlet kernel]

oh wow, that's great
idk if i should be happy or in fear that this actually looks like what wg can put in

[violet timber]

It might need a bit of rebalancing to be put in. Also thank you for the inspiration for it

[scarlet kernel]

i am messing around with the idea aswell, somehow it just turned out as if the maus engineers learned how armor angling works and decided to put it all in

[strange thicket]

vk 72, reliably block?
press 2 and pen the lowerplate
if you are patient enough shoot the cheeks and two weakspots on the hull.
a worse e100 gun too.
at least jag got that big algha gun for it

[solid gate]

im not hashing this over again

maybe read the conversation between brazilian and i before you ping me

[strange thicket]

already did, you are over selling the vk72 and trashing the jag for no reason.
jag is actually very playable and it got actual gun handling, unlike the 183 which has no armor or gun handling at all. jag can 2nd line very well. and it hits very hard.

[solid gate]

im not gonna waste another hour of my time here

youre entitled to your opinion and i have mine

[strange thicket]

ehh fair enough, i just saw the overconfidence in your assessment and couldn't stop myself :P

[sacred trail]

Doesn’t VK have the same gun as the E100?

[strange thicket]

gets worse reload

[sacred trail]

The other parameters such as pen and damage are still the same tho?

[strange thicket]

yes but you get a 1 second more reload for no reason
1 second is much

[karmic nymph]

So basically am m6 exp

[sacred trail]

Yep, you know it has lacking armor on the side/back when it’s the subject of getting HESH slapped by a random T49 (although an M-V-Yoh’s HEAT round can butter the front plates easily)

[digital marsh]

i like sheridan

[blissful hamlet]

I like FT 17

[lusty flame]

Imagine if they add modern tanks into wotb
The leopard 2 (modern one of course)
Abrams
T14 armata
Type 99

[blissful hamlet]

Never

[weak sparrow]

console yes

[karmic leaf]

Stb 1 worth it?

[weak sparrow]

yes

[balmy compass]

y tho we have leopard 1 and thats great

[hollow moth]

Jageroo > Vk that none actually cares

[tawdry estuary]

is the ru 251 worth getting?

[hollow belfry]

It’s a good tank + it leads to the Leopard 1 which is great if you can play paper mediums well

[tawdry estuary]

i see

[balmy compass]

Leopard 2 looks ugly imo the leopard 1 looks way better

[hard cedar]

Leo 2 turret is just 💀

[violet timber]

Bruh Leo 2 turret is awesome

[hard cedar]

It's so ugly

[violet timber]

The edges are so clean though

[solid gate]

Whatd the best heavy tank line rn for tier 10

[violet timber]

60TP or IS-7

Unless you’re asking strictly for the line and not just the tier 10, to which I would then argue that the E5 has the best overall heavy tank line

[chilly lodge]

I Have Guestion

What tank points to hit with high-explosive shells and is the Soviet IS tank a good idea?

[violet timber]

Usually you can use HE shells on tanks with low armor values, or the rears of some tanks. Also the Soviet IS line is good, I’d recommend going down it

[rigid thunder]

yes, particularly the IS-7 line first before you go down the IS-4 line, it'll make your life extremely easier

[violet timber]

Don’t make the mistake many of us made of doing the IS-4 line first

[chilly lodge]

actually you were right I do not regret it@rigid thunder

[rigid thunder]

hope it stays that way

[chilly lodge]

I also have the Comet, Vk 2 and at8 lines

[chilly lodge]

I fought 3 at once and they couldn't destroy me, I destroyed one tank of 1200 hp with one shot

Is Is very good and strong tank

[chilly lodge]

I think so too

I also want got Maus but First I go to Is Line

[rigid thunder]

The maus ain't exactly new player friendly so yea

[storm nexus]

gg well played

[rustic tangle]

Is Maus good?

[violet timber]

Yes

[storm nexus]

depends on the player

[violet timber]

The thing is just so dang survivable

[covert dagger]

Still want WG to add a Shell Ejection System to French Light and and Russian Medium Tanks.

[chilly lodge]

Another succesed win

[steady glacier]

Please buff the Type 61

[obsidian mirage]

animation when firing simultaneously takes the empty shell out from turret

[misty wing]

doesn't the t-2020 have something like that

[tepid geyser]

when

[solid gate]

please buff the is5’s gun

[tepid geyser]

when

[solid gate]

now

[tepid geyser]

no, I meant when

[solid gate]

what

[tepid geyser]

when did i ask

[mild otter]

What

[solid gate]

how about you ask for deez nuts

[tepid geyser]

when

[solid gate]

deez nuts starts in about 1 minute

[misty wing]

why are WG so unwilling to let a medium have high pen
imo it would be cool to have a medium with average or below average armor/mobility in exchange for having pre-nerf pen (260-270 APCR, 330 heat)

122 TM was a penetration demon with some major drawbacks on PC, but of course they had to take that away for blitz as well

Also tanks like the kanonenjagdpanzer and AMX CDA 105 should have pre-nerf med pen as well, they are TDs after all. The SU-100M1 is also a TD with a medium tank gun, and it retains the 330 heat

[wintry orchid]

Don’t they?

[misty wing]

oh wait the CDA does, but the kanonen has the same nerfed pen as the leo 1

250/300

CDA threw me off because french meds already had low pen to begin with

[tepid geyser]

impressive.

[wintry orchid]

Have they? I don’t seem to struggle with the 30b (which has the same gun as the cda afaik)

[misty wing]

I was looking at PC numbers for the pre-nerf values, and 30b has quite bad pen there, comparable to blitz

[hollow notch]

So uhhhh
250 pen isn't good enough for tier 8? Really?

[lyric copper]

imagine Leo 1 pen buff

would be hilarious

[misty wing]

I don't want "good enough", I want overkill.

[wintry orchid]

Why look at pc numbers when talking about blitz smh they’re straight up different games

[tepid geyser]

people will always find something to complain about

[wintry orchid]

Don’t play meds then. Get an obj 268 only gold

[misty wing]

didn't I just tell you? because PC values are identical or close to what the meds had before the nerf in blitz

I want a med with penetration as its gimmick. There are meds with really good armor, really good mobility, high alpha, etc. But none of them has penetration, and I think a med like that would provide good variety for the game

yall are so quick to clown on anything that brings up PC lmfao

[misty wing]

No one's complaining lol

[tepid geyser]

we aren't clowing on pc, just saying that the game already has high pen meds

[hollow notch]

Unnecessary changes are unnecessary changes. Weegee can barely balance the game as is. They don't need more thinks to fail miserably at.

[misty wing]

I'd rather have them try than not. Inept devs >>> lazy devs

[hollow moth]

I really like this idea of a sub class of mediuma more focused in firepower than precision, like a 121 but a bit more into the cannon.
Mediums whose "perks" are being actual medium-like glass cannons

[misty wing]

in tier 10, it really doesn't
all the meds basically have the same pen, and many of them have nearly the same gun entirely

[hollow moth]

Imagine the M4 Ravioli, but make it become a whole line

[lyric copper]

again

imagine Leo pen buff to 270/320

[misty wing]

I think you guys are mistaking my statements as "meds don't have enough pen", when in reality I am saying "there should be a med with penetration as its gimmick"

[hollow moth]

Exactly, all guns (aside from only 121 with a 122mm gun) from mediums in that tier follow the same aspects

• Satisfying precision
• Very fast fire rate
• 100-110mm guns
• Worst penetration possible

[hollow moth]

#MakeAM4RevLikeLine

By the way, historical accuracy is by no means an excuse to make it impossible as we have TVP and 60TP mostly made up

[lyric copper]

ikr?

120mm on Leo 1 when for funni

[misty wing]

I like what PC did a few years ago when they rebalanced the mediums tbh, with the leo having higher alpha and whatnot

[lyric copper]

higher alpha and pen

along side the fact that in PC the Leo can actually play in its designated role as a second line sniper

in blitz, you barely can, as people see a leopard, they don’t see a 3.6k dpm tank, they see 1.9k free damage

[misty wing]

meds are too similar to each other in blitz imo
I have like 3-4 meds in tier X and feel almost zero motivation to grind or buy any more of them, since they're all so similar

[lyric copper]

yeah

same old hulldown, meh pen

The WZ, TVP, 4202, and Leo at least mix it up

[misty wing]

and progetto I guess

[scarlet kernel]

The reason our mt doesn't have high penetration, is because it doesn't need to

As the tanks was given it's own role in battle

Light tank focuses on speed and spotting, hence they mostly have the lowest penetration values, they can easily outrun and circle their target and shoot their most vulnerable areas

Heavy tanks are mostly armored, and if they don't they compensate it with the gun. As in the game heavy tanks are made to fight other heavy most of the time, they of course needed a gun that need to be able to penetrate them

Medium tanks are the in beetween, they are fast and most of the time also brings armor. They can out maneuver ht, and they are put to fight lights and other meds. So they basically doesn't need higher pen values

[misty wing]

meds and lights have more or less the same pen though

[lyric copper]

^ 3/4 of the tier X lights have the same pen as a tier X MT

[misty wing]

and yes, meds usually don't need more pen, but again that's ignoring the main focus of my statement

[obsidian mirage]

Asian server: no one cares about roles

[misty wing]

every server*

[scarlet kernel]

Wg do, and you can see that the maps are sliced in two

Mt side and ht side

[obsidian mirage]

But what i play in that server destroyer in first line (spoting), heavy on second line, medium + light tank camper

[scarlet kernel]

Ik just to put out there why meds doesn't have more pen
Since at first you asked "why wg don't want to put more pens to meds" Or somethin

[misty wing]

wording can be a bit confusing, but my statement was more related to "why can't WG let even one or a few meds to have higher pen"
This was mainly a response to the 122 TM having decidedly average or even below average pen for a tier 8 med, despite having incredible pen in PC

I'm not saying "meds have bad pen, WG should buff them all"

[hollow moth]

Allow me to use real life as example because that's where WG take the best ideas for perks in tanks (even the 20secs spotting is somewhat based irl)

In USA in latewar indeed used Shermans with the obsolete 75mm M3, but as you may suppose, they weren't required to tank battles anymore, instead of those early versions, Shermans, Hellcats or Jacksons were sent to tank combats as for the prototypes of Pershings.

Obsolete shermans didn't need better cannons as they were mostly used for supporting infantrymen and destroying light armored cars or bunkers, meanwhile shermans with more firepower were sent to escort heavier tanks and direct tank combat

What we are talking about is a medium tank somehow meant to be escorting the heavies ans supporting them with fire. TDs can do it, but not on the same agility that a medium can do.

[scarlet kernel]

If you wanna say that, just say

"Would be cool if wg add a med that have the highest on penetration"

But we technically have it, the t95 medium tank. Wg put it as a heavy

[misty wing]

that's nowhere near mobile enough to actually play as a med, and the gun handling on the move is atrocious

[hollow moth]

That's why it's a heavy in-game, not a medium

[misty wing]

I'd be so down to have an american med with the 120mm 258/340 pen though tbh

[hollow moth]

In real life, before heavier battalions reach the frontline there's the shocktroops already acting in order to spot major targets and preparing the battlefield for more troops. That's what a medium tank with actual penetration would do, spotting enemy heavies and actually helping allied heavies with fire and agility

[misty wing]

you're probably right, I have this very weird habit of wording things in a way that questions someone's mentality
maybe it's because I'm taking a course in psychology

[strange thicket]

i would love if WG would rebalance leo 1 like it did in PC.
i am amazed by PC leo 1. and also the PTA.
but i am not sure what would that do to balance in Blitz.

[misty wing]

I think 380 alpha like the concept and maybe 10mm more pen on the standard and pramo would be good for it

and a reload nerf to compensate

[rigid thunder]

no don't touch the leo 1's beautiful dpm

[misty wing]

I hate how slowly blitz is moving towards PBR
I looked at a PC post from a few years ago when they were still moving to HD, and they updated like 20 tanks in one update

https://thedailybounce.net/world-of-tanks/world-of-tanks-9-18-hd-models/

I know blitz updates probably can't be too large because mobile, but I would like to see them double the rate at least

[rigid thunder]

I'd probably chalk it down to a difference in the size of the development teams, wotb most definitely has a smaller one than wotpc

[misty wing]

but for the most part they're not exactly designing new models, as they typically reuse PC models, so the smaller team also has less work cut out for them

at least I think they should, but I'm no expert at programming

[valid gale]

It’s worth to point out this happened near the engine change for pc and Blitz uses a wildly complicated and ancient engine that very few of the Blitz team know how to work with

[misty wing]

that would make sense
engine update when

[onyx venture]

It's also just a priority type of thing, the more time spent updating the tanks is the less time they spend on other changes

[covert dagger]

https://youtu.be/3NegGfrwVp0

[onyx venture]

And I don't mind the rate it's going at tbh. In a years time the newer updated tanks will probably be more geometrically complex than ones added in now simply due to ppl having access to better phones.

[misty wing]

um.. no, that's not how it works

the tanks updated to PBR in a year will not be any better quality than say the IS-7 or 60TP that already have PBR

[sour basin]

But I swear I saw it in shop

[onyx venture]

They can change their standards whenever they feel like it, if in a year's time they feel that they were being conservative in their approach they can raise their polygon budget for the tanks. Currently tanks with simple shapes generally have more geometric complexity in terms of detail, they often have 3d wheels and anything else that adds detail rather than relying on a texture. Maybe the game's engine is better optimized in a year and can run higher fidelity tanks more efficiently. Not to mention people upgrading their devices. Anything already in the game will be there for the long haul and anything new will take advantage of the advancements. They of course will not surpass the pc ones in quality but they will be closer.

[thorny smelt]

What year was this filmed?

[misty wing]

Except they're using models from PC, and are almost certainly too lazy or don't have enough resources to make significant changes to those models

And PC's HD models are pretty consistent in quality from what I can tell

[restive tangle]

They should add a skin to the T95 and make it the T95 turtle

[thorny smelt]

Is IS-2 Berlin the Blitz version of WOT PC's IS-2M?

Not to be confused with IS-M which is IS-2Sh in Blitz.

[blissful igloo]

Voting for centurion action x to replace FV4202

[half heart]

When you make models in quads instead of Tris to save on the number of faces

If I wanted to make a tank model it's literally two circles 20 cylinders and 2-10 cubes

[misty wing]

No, it is this tank:
https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Tank:R71_IS_2B#:~:text=The IS-2 is a,Budapest%2C Breslau%2C and Berlin.

[thorny smelt]

Oh. Got it

[misty wing]

Iirc the Is-2 Berlin used to be called simply IS-2 in blitz as well

[thorny smelt]

Oh. Tell me more about it. I know IS-2M has 10.66~~10.7 seconds for a 390 avg damage and 100% crew training.

It got over 100% in PC like mine at 102% at most.

[torpid lagoon]

I just got the AMX 50 120, what play style should I go with

[thorny smelt]

Support heavy tank

[misty wing]

IS-2M and the premium IS-2 are nearly the same, with the exception of the different tank model which may affect the overall armor

[thorny smelt]

I'll check it on tanks.gg

[misty wing]

IS-2M also has marginally better gun handling but also marginally worse mobility due to increased weight

[thorny smelt]

Also higher ammo capacity

[thorny smelt]

I should've gotten the T-103 TBH but I got the IS-2M instead during trade-in

[plucky summit]

The shoulders would be around 235mm effective in a sidescraping position against AP shells, only effective against mid to low-end standard shells

[thorny smelt]

#buffIS2Sh

[plucky summit]

Maybe remove the 110mm deck though, it's a bit obnoxious

[thorny smelt]

Or base on IS-M from PC

[lyric copper]

nah keep it for funni

[plucky summit]

M6A2E1 EXP with 191mm deck:

I am so definitely glad they're doing nothing about it in 8.8

[thorny smelt]

This is insanity if they go for WOT PC's IS-M. The front corners are rounded which makes them weaker but it is still excellent for side-scraping.

[plucky summit]

Truly.

[thorny smelt]

They should give sympathy to the IS-2Sh owners. This should be one of the good side-scraping tanks since this is the tank I know that is rear-turreted.

[plucky summit]

Too bad Chrysler K exists

[thorny smelt]

Why did I forget about that tank again?!

[plucky summit]

Chonky STG I guess

[split dawn]

<@&481447501690568709> ^

[weak sparrow]

We need a russian one

[solid gate]

can you buff TD hp? not fair that you can get 3 shotted at t10

[shell robin]

any updates on the type 71?

[balmy compass]

But most td at tier X can 1-5 shot tanks

[onyx venture]

I know that they are using the PC models, but if it's not obvious they simplify the tank geometry to run better on mobile devices, hence why some things aren't 'truly' round or they just rely on a texture to show detail rather than being actually modeled. As I stated earlier, it obviously will not surpass the quality of the PC tanks. But they can make the decision to not downgrade them as much and flesh out more detail than they do now.

[misty wing]

I think the blitz PBR models are close enough to the PC models as is, there's not a whole lot they can improve without matching or surpassing the PC ones

So I'm not too concerned about graphics "powercreep" over the years once everything is PBR

[tough steeple]

Opinion on jpanther 2?

[violet timber]

Good

[tough steeple]

Any tips?

[violet timber]

Angle

[tough steeple]

Yea

its just that it has basically no armor except when its hull isnt exposed

[boreal spruce]

tips for the t100LT's playstyle on blitz?

[balmy compass]

Spam prammo or hit the sides of tanks

[tough steeple]

i dont get the thing with prammo

[violet timber]

What’s not to get? Press 2, pen enemy

[balmy compass]

Prammo - premium ammo

[west rapids]

I think they mean that they don’t understand what the point of it is 🤡

Like what it’s main function is

[molten imp]

Can't wait for WG to paste the armor profile of the Chieftan Mk6 from PC to blitz - it's gonna be such a fun tank to play hulldown (I'm talking to you, Ho-Ri lovers)

[misty wing]

it has more or less the same armor on PC as blitz though

actually, I think it has better armor in blitz after taking a closer look

@molten imp

[molten imp]

Actually, in PC the turret is 350-600 millimeters hulldown, in blitz it's 200-390

Look again on blitz inspector

[misty wing]

Nah, the PC turret is 215-250 on the lower part, 140 on the middle part, 57 on the roof and 60 on the cupola
on blitz it's 230-250 on the lower part, 140 on the middle part, and 76 on the roof and cupola
additionally, the blitz mk6 has more armor on the frontal hull and frontal part of the sides

the difference is marginal, but the blitz one is ultimately more resistant to HE

I'm referring to base armor values not counting angling, but that should translate the same way since the models are more or less the same

[hard cedar]

if you're talking about the t95/fv4201 unless that's raw armor values I find that thickness hard to believe

[misty wing]

He's talking about the chieftain mk6

[molten imp]

Yes those are the same tanks. In blitz it's called the Chieftan Mk6, in PC it's called the T95/FV4201

[misty wing]

No lol
PC has a chieftain mk6 6 and a t95/fv4201 chieftain
Blitz only has the mk6
They're different tanks

[molten imp]

No, PC actually doesn't have a tank called the Chieftan Mk6

The tank in PC is called the T95/FV4201 Chieftain

[misty wing]

Lol you must be trolling
The t95/fv4201 looks nothing like the mk6. It has that name for a reason, because it's a fake tank that's a mix of the chieftain and American t95

Go look at tanks.gg or search it up on YouTube, PC does have a mk6 that's very similar to the one on blitz

afaik it's not available, but it's still in the game

[valid gale]

It’s not fake the project was real it failed for obvious reasons (training crew for multiple guns and turrets is a horrific idea)

[misty wing]

if you browse tanks.gg there's another unimplemented (to my knowledge) tank called the T95/Chieftain, and I'd like to imagine that if the project succeeded, it would've looked more like that one than the T95/FV4201 Chieftain

[valid gale]

There is an article on it for Tanks encyclopedia that lists the 95/4201 being one of the candidates although it might be an article marked for updating

[hard cedar]

seems a fair bit stronger than 210mm unless you're talking about raw armor

[misty wing]

even if it might've been a project for consideration, I think the other design would've come out on top, as the 95/fv4201 just looks super impractical in comparison

[misty wing]

I'm referring to base armor values not counting angling, but that should translate the same way since the models are more or less the same
I was indeed referring to raw armor

[hard cedar]

Oh hey I'm blind as hell
nice to know

although im not sure why you would use raw armor as a stat in a conversation about how strong armor is, effective armor is much more relevant

[misty wing]

they're the same tank model though so comparing raw armor is easier

and the turret is a really weird shape so it's hard to compare the effective value at the exact same spot

[molten imp]

My bad, for some reason wotinspector was not showing the other chieftans, it only showed the 4201

[misty wing]

Wot inspector probably doesn't show tanks that are in testing/aren't available yet

[fresh vine]

premium tank when wg?

t-34-122

[past crane]

That would be fun.

I would love to see a Pan-Middle Eastern tech tree sometime, with everything from Egyptian Sherman mods to Israeli Centurions and ending with the Merkava prototype or the earliest version of the production tank. The T-34-122 could be a TD.

[inland steeple]

are these supposed to be scaled to represent the size of the tank accurately if so im pretty sure these two are literally the same size

[misty wing]

no, the sizing is really bad on those silhouettes

[past crane]

Yeah the icons there make the fume extractor on the T110E5 crazy massive

[wanton fjord]

is the T10 chinese MT similar to the T-62A?

[wise moth]

No, 121 is a lot worse than T-62A, and its complete inability to snapshot and massive size makes it unable to play like a typical medium

[solid gate]

xd

[strange thicket]

only by looks, it plays a lot differently and is not a typical boring hull down med

[hollow notch]

But it can slap around all the other meds at the tier
still a bad 113 with the pathetic pen it has

Oh hell yea
I finally got my hands on some nitro

[red vapor]

Free nitro,is nice

[kindred wren]

The good dlscordi nitro

[hollow notch]

Guys why is discord cras

[tawdry estuary]

aye uh is the Leopard PT A good?

[hollow belfry]

It’s decent but really held back by 6 degrees of gun depression

Over the grind I learned to progressively enjoy it more but please, make yourself a favor and free exp the gun before playing it.

Once fully upgraded the gun is more than adequate and it’s got nice mobility too

[hard cedar]

It's not decent it's garbage

[civic relic]

I guess the gun is ok but it has practically no armor and not fast

[civic relic]

No screw it I checked the gun is practically trash

[hollow belfry]

It’s decently fast if you‘re not using the stock engine

[hollow belfry]

Are you looking at the stock one?💀

[violet timber]

It is fast lol

[hollow belfry]

^ man must be looking at stock tank stats from the tech tree preview

practically trash gun sounds like that person has quite high standards for T9 mediums firepower

[violet timber]

Gun is okay

[civic relic]

I dont see much leo ptas, and if I ever see them they either die within seconds or not do much against me

[violet timber]

Anecdotal evidence does not equate to how good the tank actually is

[hollow belfry]

^ the average player has about 48% wr so facing a tank does not equal an objective assessment of how good said vehicle is

even more so in lightly armored vehicles which tend to be more unforgiving

[civic relic]

its still like the easiest medium in tier 9 to deal with

[violet timber]

M46, T54E1, and Type 61 moment

[civic relic]

T54E1 definitely should get a fourth shell in its clip

[hollow belfry]

Give it HE shells💀

[violet timber]

No

The gun never had any actual HE shells designed for it, only armor piercing

[strange thicket]

how is the 121 a bad 113
am i missing something? because both tanks don't play the same at all
not with the huge difference in armor and mobility

[solid gate]

LMAO pathetic pen? 245 AP of wz121 is the BEST pen of any medium tank

[hard cedar]

290 heat

[hollow notch]

Mhm
And still cant deal with any heavy frontally.
The best pen out of garbage is still garbage

[wise moth]

My problem with 121 is that the super long profile and center mount turret make it awkward to play with, then you’re forced to sit still to hit shots with the fairly weak turret

[finite shoal]

do you recommend LTTB or LTG? I hesitate a lot ^^

[solid gate]

Guys,should I grind WZ 121 or WZ 113?

[red vapor]

Lttb

[violet timber]

113

[polar gull]

add my favorite tank into blitz 😡😡😡

[plucky summit]

NOPE

[violet timber]

You’re funny

[polar gull]

thanks 🙂

[violet timber]

Fortunately your favorite tank will never be added to blitz!

[polar gull]

thank god i would never play again. i didn’t even 3 mark it smh

[toxic fulcrum]

Bruh, wish WoT added the new Modern day Stuart, with many improved characteristics, such as better engine, better tracks, better durability and better gun. I'd love to see it as a tier 7-8 Premium American light tank, with a punchy 90mm gun and some decent speed and durable turret armor (but not impenetrable)

[plucky summit]

LTTB:

[valid gale]

It’s a Stuart what armor can it even have

[ancient walrus]

Ah, the brazilian project on Stuart. Nice idea btw...

[thin lava]

They should add the kv6

[covert swan]

Brazil efforts to make a tank

but that wasn't their only attempt

i have a pic of a more interesting tank like an actual MBT they built

[toxic fulcrum]

How about a cursed Lee?

[covert swan]

this one

[misty wing]

How about Indian tanks

[slender anchor]

EE-T1 Osório

[covert swan]

imma send

[covert swan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arjun_(tank)

[misty wing]

It looks pretty cool ngl

[covert swan]

their best tank so far looks like a hybrid between chieftain and Russian tanks

does anyone know the first ever tank of the us army?

based on the research i had i found this thing to be it but i have some doubts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLB_75_Tank

[toxic fulcrum]

Y'all ever seen the "Tiger III" concept that was changed to the E-100?

[misty wing]

E100 was called "Tiger-Maus" at some point iirc

[toxic fulcrum]

Ngl, if the E-100 had the same turret as the one above the Tiger II, but with the same 150mm, it'd be a way different vehicle.

[covert swan]

i would rather have the tiger 3 turret cuz e100 at its current state is really ez to pen with all the gold shells but tiger 3 turret seems to be more narrow and have smaller weak spots

[toxic fulcrum]

Yea

Plus, E-100 can be easily penned by regular AP from most heavies and TDs

[lyric copper]

or you could learn how to angle it around a corner

[toxic fulcrum]

Same with the Maus... The fact that 2 of the heaviest tanks in the game are so easy to pen, it's unfair

[lyric copper]

armour meta and hulldown meta is boring ngl

[toxic fulcrum]

Even when angling, Gold still goes through regardless

Especially when TDs load Gold and butter directly through the front plate of the Maus or E-100... Those tanks need armor buffs to the front and sides, just enough so if it's angled, then gold won't butter through them. And maybe rework the way penetration angles work...

Also, imagine Jagdpanther with the E-50 Hull

[covert swan]

thats cursed dont give wg ideas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Semple_tank

[toxic fulcrum]

There's also the E-55

[violet timber]

E-79 is a thing as well

[toxic fulcrum]

Wish STA-2 was also added as a first Japanese tier 8 premium

Hopefully, it will come with the new Japanese Heavies (not the type series unfortunately)

[mystic sleet]

Ngl, I think I just fell in love with the Tiger 3

[mystic sleet]

That just looks like a german fcm

[misty wing]

I had an idea for the longest time that the german TD branch should be split with the JP II leading to the jagdpanzer E50 and jagdpanzer E50M, whereas the ferdinand leads to jagdtiger and jp e100

[covert swan]

cursed 💯

[kindred wren]

No no no

The E 100 didn‘t evolve from the Tiger III, the Tiger III is pure fiction. Neither the E 55 nor the E 79 ever existed

[balmy compass]

talk about the Lowe and Maus xd

[kindred wren]

Even the Löwe and VK 72/ VK 90 are hot takes by Wargaming

Funnily enough the VK 72 and VK 90 both seem to build up on the same project of the „Schwerer Löwe“

[misty wing]

nah, the vk72 was a real concept. VK 90 seems made up by wargaming but it is unrelated to the Lowe project

The Lowe project was done by krupp (hence the "K" at the end of VK 72) whereas the vk 90 was "supposedly" done by porsche, hence the "P" at the end, and it looks the part tbh

[kindred wren]

The VK 72 was nothing more than a drawing board concept. Not even blueprints, just some wild ideas thrown together. Nobody even knows for sure how these looked

[misty wing]

a drawing board concept is not quite a "hot take by wargaming", which is what the vk90 is

[kindred wren]

The VK 90 is more plausible than the VK 72 or Löwe looking at German armour production

[misty wing]

an impractical proposal is still more likely to be produced than one that never existed

[kindred wren]

There are also practically no sources for these drawing board studies so it‘s still a hot take to take them as a basis

[covert swan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schützenpanzer_Lang_HS.30

[kindred wren]

In fact, it‘s more likely that the VK 72 looked like the VK 90 than like the VK 72 we have

[misty wing]

"A project for further development of the VK 45.02 (P) Ausf. B after the proposal for the latter was rejected. However, the project was abandoned in favor of the Maus project. No prototypes were produced."
this is what I would come up with as a fake history for the VK 90 if I were WG lol

[covert swan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_VII_Löwe read it urself

[misty wing]

I already know all of that

[misty wing]

The VK 72 in game seems heavily inspired by this drawing. So no, I don't think a real lowe would've looked like the vk 90

[kindred wren]

And where is this drawing from?

[misty wing]

It's shown in basically every article on the Lowe I can find, so idk about the original source

[kindred wren]

To be honest I think it‘s a post-war ‚artists interpretation‘ that sells as truth now

You don‘t find this picture in German sites either (or at least I don‘t)

[misty wing]

you can argue about the vk 72's historical-ness all you want, but the vk90 is undeniably even more unhistorical, not to mention the fact that it's not even supposed to be a related tank based on the company designation

[balmy compass]

Tbh I wouldn’t understand why Germany would want to build a 300mm turret after they already built a 240mm turret Maus

[lyric copper]

a certain man’s expectations and ambitions

[violet timber]

An Austrian painter, one might say

[strange thicket]

vk 90 is only called that in blitz though
it has a k designation in PC

[misty wing]

yeah I know
It looks more like a porsche tank to me though, and the blitz one came out first

[tawdry horizon]

is-4 worth it?

[balmy compass]

Its armor is pretty solid

[violet timber]

Yes

[thorny smelt]

I love the frontal turret armor of Tiger III ausf. L. It's more angled than E 100's E 100 turm turret.

[weak sparrow]

Is7 apcr needs a little buff

[hard cedar]

no

[balmy compass]

y

[violet timber]

Ah yes, buff one of the top 3 met tanks by covering one of it's only weakpoints

[wicked forge]

I'm having trouble with the mt25, advice?

[civic relic]

And that "weakpoint" can currently still cut through tanks if aiming good enough

[inland steeple]

Best tanks for Tier 6 torneys

[inland steeple]

Just play passive and don't use your armour under any circumstance

[dawn ridge]

the mt25 is so fun lol use the gun that has 8 shells not 4. More dpm at a cost for penetration is definitely the way to go. Especially since in a light tank you're gonna be flanking therefore weak armor at the back. Don't brawl with mediums or heavies up close. Bad idea.

support your mediums as a backline, or midflank.

[dawn ridge]

arl44, and only the arl44.

[tall anchor]

Hi, do you know the pages with a complete description of tanks and buffs?

[thorny smelt]

I think Blitzhangar has it

[tall anchor]

Thx

[misty wing]

https://youtu.be/MAyMj5HSf-s

Ngl it kinda sounds and looks like a toy to me lol, idk why

[weak sparrow]

<@&481447501690568709> nitor

[thorny smelt]

<@&481447501690568709>

[dawn vector]

takes T-2020 out to battle for the first time ever, after getting unlucky with some crate or christmas globe at some point and getting it, realises how terrible it actually is, lets it gather dust again forever more with a 0% win ratio

[hard cedar]

What now

[thorny smelt]

Pike-nose tanks are not for every one. It takes some practice and skill.

[wet prism]

It's a decent tank for t8

[dawn vector]

lads. it's one of, if not THE worst tier 8 heavy lmao. I have the majority of the T8 premiums, and I can assure you that there are very few that play as bad as the T-2020

[misty wing]

It's not even the worst IS style tank

[dawn vector]

either way. I think I'll just be sticking to my Action X and E 75 TS for my heavy needs at T8 lmao. For tier 10 it'll be my T-22 medium

[toxic fulcrum]

Tiger III is not fiction, it was a scrapped prototype idea, before the E-100 design was a thing. E-55 and 79 on the other hand, probably.

[toxic fulcrum]

That's why I will buy it the next time I see it. T-2020 being the most underplayed heavy, means Ace Tanker is easier to get, which would help a lot in Mastery Events or Orders. Same with the entire Valkyria Chronicles collection that I am also anticipating.

[kindred wren]

The Tiger III is pure fiction

[dawn vector]

That is a good idea, but you are quite probably not realising quite how bad the tank really is. I’ll admit I’m not the best with like nose tanks. However, it is a remarkably bad tank to begin with. Imo, just stick with the 252U if you want a Russian pike nose T8 heavy. Atleast that thing is good lol

[copper swan]

brrruh

[violet timber]

AX is probably worse overall than the T-2020 tbh

[violet timber]

This would be true if the Somua, EXP, IS-5, IS-2Sh, VK45.02 A, KV-4, and KV-5 didn’t exist

[solid gate]

Is there a good tactic for playing with this tank? normally I end up dying when some enemy gets close

[violet timber]

You have a pretty good gun, try to find a slight incline to make your armor more effective

[dawn vector]

See, the majority of those tanks, barring the vk and IS-5, are decent imo. You just gotta know how to use them. The T-2020 gets penned by everything, unless you can get hull down.

Somua you just drive like a slow medium, it doesn’t have reliable armour but it can bounce. Exp just poke over a ridge line to shoot then back into cover again. Is-2Sh side scraping king, KV-4 and KV-5 good side scrapers, but turrets can be penned by gold

T-2020 just didn’t have anywhere that worked for it lmao. Side scraping both facing the enemy, and reverse side scraping and got me penned.

I’ll admit, it’s quite probable that I played it wrong. However it just doesn’t seem like a good tank. Any time I face it, it’s an easy pen. essentially a free kill. And it felt that way when playing it too

[violet timber]

The problem is all of the tanks I listed are objectively worse than the T-2020. They may be better situationally, but in general the T-2020 can outperform all of them

[violet timber]

EXP i can see. IS-2Sh is nowhere near the side scraping king, KV’s both have a ton of easy to hit weak points

Also, why are you side scraping in a pike nose tank? You hull down lmao, the thing has an insane turret

[thorny smelt]

They should base the IS-2Sh on WOT PC's IS-M and you can totally side-scrape with with it. KV-5 is good as it is and the armor and DPM buff is worth the wait. They should add 122 mm D-25TS for KV-4 even though the 107 mm ZiS-24 gun is also good at penning Somua SM's turret (Yes. The turret is so easy to pen with a high pen gun).

[dawn vector]

IS-2Sh has always been a decent tank to play for me. Feels solid. Side scraping works in most tanks. Pike noses need to be hidden if you can’t go hull down, so side scraping works for that

[violet timber]

The KV-5 does not have good armor, it has 3 big weak points, namely the two R2D2s and the flat turret front. KV-4 has severe mobility issues.

[dawn vector]

Have you played the KV-5 since it had the armour buff? It’s a lot stronger than it used to be. It’s not gonna be tanking shots like a maus, but it bounces far more than it used to

[thorny smelt]

Yo. It's gooood. Side-scraping in a tier 8-9 match and you're laughing at enemy tier 9s.

[violet timber]

It still has very large and easy to hit weak points, the buff didn’t really do a whole lot other than make it a bit better

[past crane]

The problem with the KV-4 for me was never the mobility or armor. It was the gun. It’s horribly inaccurate and has way too slow of a reload. Many people I know prefer to use the 122 with the extra DPM and alpha even though the pen is total crap.

[thorny smelt]

They should add the 122 mm D-25TS

[violet timber]

The fact is that the T-2020 is nowhere near the worst heavy in tier 8

[vagrant geode]

Stock isu makes me want to jump

[dawn vector]

Not the worst tank at tier 8, but close to being the worst heavy tier 8 I’d say. The other T8’s just tend to bring far more to the battle, and perform better

[solid gate]

@violet timber i agree

[violet timber]

I’ve named almost half the heavies in tier 8, and they are all, or almost all, worse than the T-2020.

[strong cape]

I finally bought the God darn tiger for 1.39 million credits

[past crane]

So true. Worst heavy is probably something like the…actually no Tier 8 heavy is really terrible atm.

[solid gate]

I had T2020 for a while, Better than IS3, my opinion

[dawn vector]

See, I found the IS-3 better than the T-2020 personally

[violet timber]

Somua, EXP, IS-5, IS-2Sh, VK45.02 A, KV-4, and KV-5

[violet timber]

The IS-3 is better, people just don’t know how to play it

[dawn vector]

VK 45.02 A and IS-5 are pretty terrible, and no one can fight that

[glacial kiln]

What i should name this lagendary camo? I want to try to ask wg to make this lagendary camo

[solid gate]

I also got SU130 PM and WZ 111-2 premiums from the 500 free Gold and the PZ S35, soldi for 1200. So i bought the 3 collect em all containers

@glacial kiln post on #blitz-art

[glacial kiln]

It not done yet

[dawn vector]

Imo the best T8 heavy is the action X. It performs best for me, because of the high DPM and good gun depression. I like tanks that can work ridge lines effectively

[dawn vector]

This is art that’s related to blitz. Even if it’s not finished, it’s supposed to go in the #blitz-art channel, lmao. It looks good though, you’re a good artist

[glacial kiln]

Ok and thank

[violet timber]

The AX is way overrated

[still hill]

it's a good hulldown tank I think

[violet timber]

It is, but low alpha damage. Really low alpha damage.

[shell robin]

doesn't it have good dpm tho? like, isn't it dpm that matters, not alpha.

[hollow notch]

Dpm can be completely negated by using cover. Unless you are farming bots the low alpha really hurts it.

[violet timber]

Alpha is usually better than dpm because you can trade, then hide. You’ll take 190, the AX will take 400, then his dpm is useless because you have a rock or something

[shell robin]

and here i thought dpm mattered in hulldown.

[wise moth]

You don’t take mid-long range hulldown fights in a Caern. You close the distance, and take a very aggressive hulldown where the enemy can’t really get away.

[hollow notch]

An enemy in the open is dead against any tank. The AX just farms idiots better than most tanks. It cannot fight against competent players though making it extremely limited

[shell robin]

if the AX only works when it uses it's dpm, doesn't that make it one of the worst tanks in practice then?

[hollow moth]

I mean, EXP fairly decent in proper urban biomes, all you need to do is shake that turret and save about 2 or 3 seconds as the enemy will aim much more cautiously

[chilly lodge]

I sold comet and IS and bought IS 3

[toxic fulcrum]

Yea, with a lower plate bigger than the side of a barn, Nah. T-2020 is not as bad as people think it is, cuz I do remember it getting a buff that made it decent enough to work. It used to be total paper, now it at least can troll bounce.

[toxic fulcrum]

E-75 "Commando" or "King" are best bets

Leaning more towards "King", cuz this was the original Tiger II camo that was dubbed "King"

And the E-75 one reminds me a little of it

[plucky summit]

🫂

[violet timber]

The problem is that as soon as any of your side is available, it’s a penetration

[ornate oak]

Guys which heavy you recommend to play at tx?

[polar gull]

60tp or is7 @ornate oak

they are the most meta rn

[ornate oak]

Okay,I am missing 130k xp for is7 so soon I will get it,I was wondering which next to get

Since I am playing on phone and I am newbie,so I will go with heavys first.But thanks for advice

[polar gull]

ofc

[violet timber]

Your three meta tanks are 60TP, IS-7, and Yoh. There’s also the 1B is you have that

[polar gull]

yoh and 1b soft meta but ye

[violet timber]

Yoh is not soft meta, it is one of the top tanks right now lol

[ornate oak]

Thank you guys

I was also thinking between Yoh and t57 but you helped me now😁

[polar gull]

depends. yoh farms with hulldown capabilities but a decent player will pen it hull down. t57 can brawl much better. and yes yoh is soft meta because of its lack of brawling capabilities if it isn’t hull down. other than that it’s great @violet timber

[violet timber]

You either get a 3k dpm auto loader or a more versatile 183 with all of it problems fixed, nothing soft meta about that at all

[polar gull]

how in the world does it compare to a 183? if you are playing the 2 shot yoh like a 183 you have more issues than that

[violet timber]

You get 900 damage in less than 2 seconds. If you haven’t heard the 183 comparison, I don’t know where you’ve been

[ornate oak]

Am I going to do wrong if I pick t57 over Yoh ?

[polar gull]

not really. they both r good i would say yoh is better but if you wanna brawl get a t57 also no if you have 2 2shot yohs then yes it is like a 183

you don’t camp in a yoh like a 183

[violet timber]

Not really, the T57 is good for farming, it just doesn’t have the same abilities.
Also, why do you need 2? One does the same amount of damage in almost the same amount of time

[polar gull]

900>1800??? thats what u want?

[violet timber]

Since when could the 183 do 1800 damage?

[plucky summit]

The max roll for 183 is 1625 what are you on? 😂

[polar gull]

did i say that? i’m just saying 2 shot yoh is only extremely effective if you have two of them tbh. if you run a 3 shot yoh you don’t need 2 yohs and you can put out enough damage to only need one

[violet timber]

I was saying that the 2 shot yoh was comparable to the 183 due to damage output though

[plucky summit]

It’s compared to the 183 because of its ability to output 900 damage quickly like 183 can output 930

[polar gull]

idk i never said that this guy just put words in my mouth bruh lmao

[violet timber]

^ and then you add on the armor and mobility the Yoh has over the 183

@polar gull You brought in a topic that was completely irrelevant to my point

[polar gull]

and that is? i’m just saying that yoh is soft meta it can be outclassed by an is7/60tp therefore it is soft meta. it’s very close to strong don’t get me wrong tho

[violet timber]

It’s not just “very close to strong”, it’s broken. No other tank in tier 10 can reload 900 damage in 13 seconds, or deal 900 damage in 1.7 seconds, as well as have the ability to hull down rather well. Oh, it’s also tagtet mobile, and can’t be tracked either

[plucky summit]

(Technically 900 in 19 seconds)

[polar gull]

20.7 to be exact. for me it’s just that it can be penned hull down and it can’t brawl

[plucky summit]

I mean the 3 shot :l

[violet timber]

(Still a lot of dpm)

[violet timber]

It has more than enough dpm with the 3 shot to brawl.

[polar gull]

both tanks as in the 60tp(which has two tiny cupolas) and the is7 have better hulldown capabilities and can both brawl. that is the current meta rn. yoh fits the soft meta bc it’s the best farming tank. also you need armor to brawl yoh only has turret armor

[plucky summit]

60TP has one cupola…?

[polar gull]

it has a small hatch on the opposite side you can hit i was doing testing on it i hit it like 1/20 tries lol

[violet timber]

You can easily just look up with the Yoh and make yourself near invulnerable, as well as the ability to not be tracked on a ridge line

[plucky summit]

🤨

[polar gull]

that’s not accurate. that looks like a hamburger

[plucky summit]

Provide me the clip of you penning it on the other side and I’d totally believe you

[polar gull]

okay i don’t have a clip but i can make one later. do u own a 60? i can go in a training room

[plucky summit]

I do, guess I won’t pay attention my my Calculus B class :p

[polar gull]

bc calc is fun… lol

[plucky summit]

Room name + pass?

[polar gull]

i haven’t made it yet.. i’m busy i’ll ping/dm u

[violet timber]

The fact is the Yoh is not just soft meta, it’s one of the three best tanks in the game right now. I mean, who wants to push on it and take 900 damage only for it to happen again 13 seconds later?

[plucky summit]

That really does take the interclip out of the argument ._.

[polar gull]

ikr. yoh can be hard meta if you want but it’s just my opinion on it idk why he is getting so angry lol

[plucky summit]

He ain't angry lol

[polar gull]

he is very defensive..like okay i get it..sheesh

[plucky summit]

I'd defend the arguments I make 🤷‍♂️

[polar gull]

i do too but i’m not saying it’s not meta lol like chill.. there isn’t a huge difference between soft and hard meta anyways

[violet timber]

I’m not angry lol, just pointing out how strong the yoh is

[violet timber]

If you’re telling me to chill I’m gonna guess you haven’t been in many arguments

[polar gull]

i’m going into prelaw to become a defense attorney but sure. you can assume what you want

[plucky summit]

You have not seen some #tank-balance-discussion arguments 😂

[violet timber]

🤷‍♂️ just saying observations as I see them

[polar gull]

oh lord

[plucky summit]

Ad Hominem is a common waste of balance discussions

[violet timber]

What we just had is more of a discussion over tea compared to those

[polar gull]

telling someone to chill and assuming that is a weird observation but u do u

[violet timber]

The thing is I’ve been chill this entire time, so you were assuming I wasn’t chill 🤔 seems a bit hypocritical, don’t you think?

[polar gull]

that doesn’t make me hypocritical i was curious why you were defending it so hard like it was life or death like it was j my opinion and you had a spasm at the fact i said it was soft meta

[violet timber]

Sorry that I bring in facts and statistics to my argument?

[glacial kiln]

But doesn't it look like to much? To me why don't choose the really good name easy to know what it means

Like wildder or hunters

But that still cool name for E75 legendary camo

[toxic fulcrum]

Cuz those names are already taken by "Leopard 1 Wild" and "ISU-152 Hunter"

[glacial kiln]

i know that

[lucid kelp]

spall liner should be nerfed
honestly i would like that vehicles which equip spall liner sees an increase in ramming damage received

[hollow moth]

Spall liner shouldn't exist*

[wise moth]

Spall liner should be on all tanks by default without the need to use a provision slot

[shell robin]

that's one way to nerf he

[radiant coral]

No 🥲
I still want to bully brain dead Vk 90 Players with my E-100 HE

[boreal spruce]

laughs in 183 deathstar

[radiant coral]

Meeh i’ll prefer in that Case still my E-100

[violet timber]

E100 doesn’t have more than 100mm of HE pen…

[radiant coral]

Just HE the side of an Vk 90.01 P with it and tell me what your results are

[violet timber]

I mean you can’t penetrate, might as well load some AP and do more than splash

[radiant coral]

Sure load AP have fun

[violet timber]

Load HEAT and hit those cheeks, you’ll do more damage

Also hitting right under the turret cheeks with HE would do more damage, because you can hit the engine deck from there

[radiant coral]

Ah yes using HEAT and wasting gold ammo on an Vk 90.01 when it’s easy to HE it

[violet timber]

Ah yes, clearing the tank faster because you’re smart

[plucky summit]

Not if you rely on RNG to penetrate.

[strange thicket]

wasting gold ammo?
so using gold ammo for its intended purpose is a waste?
besides that, you do kinda have a point. those cheeks aren't exactly big or easy to hit

[violet timber]

You have a good portion of cheek you can penetrate with the E100

[plucky summit]

E100

[strange thicket]

all they have to do is wiggle and you can mitigate the E100's heat

[radiant coral]

That and again, hit the engine deck
Don’t you see the gun in front of there ?

I’ll rather prefer to track an Vk 90 and let it stay where it is, instead giving him the chance to backup even when it’s slow he can go away, secondly i can annoy that guy with HE and might damage, the loader, driver or the commander as well more modules
So i stick to my HE

[strange thicket]

or you shouldn't really be engaging him head on

[violet timber]

If they’re a good player, then yes I’m using HE. But we’re talking about a bad VK90 player, so I’d prefer more consistent damage personally

[radiant coral]

That’s up to you, i’ll have to agree tho
But my luck with HEAT in derp gun is in most cases, not good at all which is again a reason, that i rather use HE instead of HEAT sometimes it works sometimes it won’t

[scarlet kernel]

HEAT shells is the best type of ammo for premium rounds for penetrating on top tier

[neat nimbus]

The legendary is expensive but I can take it if discounts leaves at 750 gold

[violet timber]

Debatable

[spark basin]

prammo AP is the best

[violet timber]

^ I want my 5 degrees of normalization

[scarlet kernel]

and my first argument is that if you shoot the Ho-Ri prammo at a prog front plate it will richochet

meanwhile with Wz 121 or TVP HEAT (the lowest pen of HEAT at tier X) it wont bounce

[violet timber]

Only if the Prog is using EA will it ricochet

Otherwise Ho-Ri overmatches

[scarlet kernel]

Ho-Ri caliber is 14.9 cm it can't overmatch the prog

[thorny smelt]

Is the Chinese tank destroyer line worth the grind? I'm at tier 7 ATM.

[violet timber]

Game counts it as a 150

[scarlet kernel]

grille as well, and it bounce

[wise moth]

False. You need gun caliber to be >150mm to triple overmatch. Ho Ri will still ricochet. Same as Grille

[violet timber]

Oh? I thought 3 Cali rule only had to be times 3, not greater than 3

[wise moth]

The thing is, unlike Grille, Ho Ri doesn’t have HEAT ammunition so it’s actually one of only 2 TDs that cannot pen the prog upper plate (other one being 263)

[violet timber]

So there is one tank in which HEAT is better than AP

[wise moth]

And the British 123mm armed TDs forgot about those

[violet timber]

Dang 123mm seems kinda small for a tier 10 td

[wise moth]

The British 123mm guns do 460, and it’s on the Badger, and the 4005

[lyric copper]

literally a 130mm gun in terms of damage

and 120mm in gun handling

[violet timber]

Seems odd that you have 122mm guns doing 420, then 123-130mm guns doing 460

[radiant coral]

What about Jageroo ? 413 heat ?
Overmatch ?

[spark basin]

wg pulls a random alpha of 690 out of nowhere for the object 268v4 when it has a 152mm gun

[wise moth]

Also, one other good use case for HEAT ammo is that it’s good for dealing with sidescraping nubs. When you have a fat HEAT shell, like the old JgPz 420 HEAT, you can pen very sharp sidescraping angles and/or very thick sides where AP shells would ricochet

[thorny smelt]

I forgot the AMX M4 54's alpha. Is it 480 for a 130 mm caliber gun?

[radiant coral]

Thank you for your Service Sir
o7

[violet timber]

Overmatch is based on caliber, not penetration

[lyric copper]

like how they pulled 480/490 (forgot) for the M4 54

why tho?

460 is fine?

[radiant coral]

Hmm soo.. E4 might penetrate ?

[spark basin]

wg balancing

[thorny smelt]

NVM. It's 480

[lyric copper]

like why does it get a 20 alpha advantage

like what??

how does that make sense?

[wise moth]

E4 would slam right through prog upper plate because it’s a 155

[plucky summit]

It's 480/400/620

[violet timber]

You would know

[thorny smelt]

Ask weegee.

[plucky summit]

Progetto 65 does a funny and uses Enhanced Armor 😳

@violet timber ofc I do, I'm a nerd

[radiant coral]

Hmm good to know, i’ll shall use E4 more then

[spark basin]

i honestly have never seen a progetto without EA

[violet timber]

That’s the only reason I use EA on the Prog

[wise moth]

iirc enhanced armor doesn’t affect overmatch mechanics. I don’t think I’ve ever ricocheted any prog with my E4

And I play a lot of E4

[plucky summit]

Well the situation is apparently too specific for most of the playerbase, so they may not just use it

I believe it does

268 had a bad day with a Pz. III 😉

[misty wing]

My guess is because wot PC has an alpha increase for 130mm guns for high tier tanks, like 105 and 122mm guns do (they go from 490 to 560 usually), and blitz devs decided they wanted to go that direction for the m4 54
I personally would like the other tier 10 460s to get higher alpha as well

But it should be 530 and not 480 tbh

[wise moth]

That’s because Pz III upper plate is 54mm, not 50

[plucky summit]

Before homo changes

Well I mean maybe they did change 3CR after that, maybe it's time for another test

[thorny smelt]

I think it's 390 for 122 mm gun in PC at lower tiers

[wise moth]

Yeah, it is. Blitz 122s are 400/420. PC is 390/440. Blitz 105s are 310/350 and PCs are 320/390

[plucky summit]

Kpf 50t with 320:

[spark basin]

i don't think so though, 263 has a 130mm gun and does 460 but the mle 54 does 480 with the same caliber so this is probably blitz devs giving it more alpha for no reason

[plucky summit]

Honestly I like the addition, rolling over 500 with that gun is so oddly satisfying

[spark basin]

then you will enjoy the bobject

[thorny smelt]

Bobject? Which one? The 263 or 268 v4?

[plucky summit]

Nah I think Jageroo will have spoiled it for me

V4, since it has 690

[spark basin]

the 268v4 with funni 690 alpha

[violet timber]

84

[misty wing]

PC 130s are kinda inconsistent now, the lower tier ones are still 490 but they go to 550 for the 263, 530 for the E100, and 560 for the jagdtiger

[plucky summit]

If you think about it it's just the Obj. 67

[misty wing]

the 263 was never called the bobject

[thorny smelt]

14.9: Why???!!!!

[spark basin]

russian tanks get special treatment

[thorny smelt]

I still like the 263 for its mobility.

[spark basin]

hot take, i enjoyed playing the foch 155 over the 263

[misty wing]

263 drives so weird to me

[plucky summit]

My hot takes are old

So I'm just gonna weep over my Lowe when RT comes out

[spark basin]

lmao

[misty wing]

imagine they release the pzkpw VII in tier 8

[wise moth]

263 rebalance made it worse and nothing will change my mind

[thorny smelt]

Löwe?

[plucky summit]

Vk 72, basically

[spark basin]

the armour buff wasn't enough to make up for the absolutely atrocious gun nerf

[wise moth]

It’s hard to be aggressive with a turretless vehicle with a rear mounted gun, atrocious gun arc, and atrocious gun depression. I used to like it as a sort of DPM sniper, but that option has just been completely removed

[misty wing]

this thing

[plucky summit]

Again I say, basically a VK 72 xD

[spark basin]

took the worst possible traits and shoved it into one tank

[thorny smelt]

I'm glad that I didn't bought the Somua SM. The turret is still weak.

[wise moth]

I kinda wish they replaced VK-72 with Pz 7, but just give it more DPM (unlike the atrocious PC DPM) and have it be a sort of “super heavy sniper”. That could be an interesting take on the gameplay

[plucky summit]

Jg. Pz E100, done.

[thorny smelt]

A VK 72.01 K with 12,8 cm gun instead of 15 cm gun. A FaiLöwe.

[wise moth]

Yeah, but Jgpz doesn’t have accuracy or a turret

[plucky summit]

VK.... 90?

[spark basin]

blitz devs do poorly balancing tanks that move up tiers

[plucky summit]

I feel people will complain about heavy snipers, even if it's purposed that way. If it's heavily armored, people will always have that "go use your armor" argument

[spark basin]

its a guarantee considering, well its a heavy

[misty wing]

blitz devs do poorly making meaningless changes
cough cough IS-8 speed nerf

[balmy compass]

Well I play frontline in my jageroo

Even tho it could count toward “heavy sniper”

[lofty hill]

Hey how can I tell if my armor is angels

Angle is correct like so I don’t get one shoted by a SU

[wise moth]

For most tanks, angle at 30 degrees and wiggle. But angling is mostly just a last ditch tactic and won’t save you from much. Rely on hiding your hull instead

[lofty hill]

Yeah my whole team has been constantly wiped out by go full force with no plan

[wise moth]

Do damage faster. The faster you deal damage, the more likely your team will be able to do something other than get annihilated

[shell robin]

that's as good a plan as telling someone to clean their clean room

[balmy compass]

Become a british tank

[hollow notch]

Not really. If you are just sitting back at the start of the game an then only getting damage after the game is a set loss and enemies are just swarming you without care to their hp, you are doing useless damage. Its actually fairly easy to get in 2 183 shots in that situation. The result page sure looks nice, but it doesn't show that a player did nothing when it actually mattered.

[spark basin]

concept 1b without raised engine deck. yay or nay

[misty wing]

wut

[raven swift]

What if fv4005 stage 2 183 mm gun was added as an alternative, switchable gun. Not the 3 shot gun

[violet timber]

No.

[frail dagger]

t29 or the yoh?

which one shall i start with

[scarlet kernel]

if you are looking for tier X the Yoh line

for the tanks itself, the t29 is way better than the M-VII-YOH

[frail dagger]

i chose the yoh, as ill get the t30 and it looks similar (a huge part of games is looks :/ )

[molten otter]

M6 is worst heavy prove me wrong

[timid peak]

ok I will prove you wrong

[molten otter]

go ahead

i died brawling with a ARL44

[scarlet kernel]

i can prove you wrong
the KV-2 is the worst tier 6 heavy

[hollow belfry]

^ this

[strange thicket]

to be fair, some tier 6 heavies can't take on the ARL 44 very effectively.

[frail dagger]

no, the worst T6 heavy is the arl (stock)

[strange thicket]

lol

[molten otter]

vk 36 CAN

[strange thicket]

never said it can't
but not all tier 6 heavies are doing so hot
and you could probably do something against an ARL
but you either don't shoot prammo or aim at the turret weakspots

[molten otter]

the hull can be penned with APCR

[hollow belfry]

stock KV-2 with 30mm of pen says hello

[slim phoenix]

now i know i may have first said this from like well over an hour ago now but i’m bringing it up again because the elapsed time has helped to reshape my shifting perspective during the break i’ve taken

i don’t think i ever truly, fully, or sufficiently appreciated a good gun until i started playing the obj 84 lol

and i’ve changed my mind on the pt a for one, not to mention the waffle, vickers cr, t92 and 25t ap after grinding all of them extensively, in successive turn

i can finally say with confidence that it’s the tier where i have the most vehicles which i absolutely love, and it would also be my favourite overall, except that the number of tanks at that level is simply insufficient, i’m sad to say

[timber peak]

Nice ghost ping @slim phoenix
Hope u achieved the "troll"

[wind stirrup]

defender mk1 is worst tank in game!! 😢

[misty violet]

Ru 251.
I think it's pretty cool LT (3900 (HE + adrenaline) DPM) with good speed and 102 mm HE pen

my first X is Leo 1 and i think it's nice vehicle

[misty wing]

So you like a bunch of broken tanks and light tanks, lol. Play something like the Leo PT A, object 704, tortoise, or T54E1 and you will hate tier 9

[slim phoenix]

i suppose you’re right. my vantage point consists mostly of lights and mediums at tier 9 while i’m hoping to get the t54 soon. obviously my experience isn’t as complete as yours lol, but i feel like the recent balancing changes were effective in helping smooth things out more evenly, at least around the edges, don’t you think so too?

[misty wing]

I think most of the changes were pretty good, IS-8 received an undeserved nerf though

[slim phoenix]

that’s strange, is8 was already painful to play in, back when i first got it. but then again, between the kv1s and is7 i didn’t enjoy any of them

[scarlet kernel]

I had a lot of good tanks that i felt i wanna keep in tier 9

Conqueror, waffle, the pre-nerf IS-8 (i actually enjoyed it cause of the speed and gun)

[misty wing]

Isn't conqueror kinda bad

[scarlet kernel]

the gun is great, i started with german and french so i don't really mind low armor as long as they're agile

[ornate oak]

Hi guys,what about 60tp lew. Is it worth ?

[wet prism]

Yes @ornate oak

[ornate oak]

Thanks,what also more from tx you recommend?

[wet prism]

Is7,Yoh,t100lt(only if you are really good)

[ornate oak]

Well I am f2p player,playing on phone and beginner,so I will go probably Yoh,is7 I am on the way

@wet prism thanks for help and info

[wet prism]

Np

[civic relic]

tbf arl 44 is a very op t6 heavy.....

[balmy compass]

Turret cheeks are easy to hit

[violet timber]

Yes, but also rather easy to deal with

[crimson magnet]

Hi guys, what are your thoughts on the AMX 30 1er prot / AMX CDC ?

[elfin rain]

i use AMX 30 i don't regret buying it its fun and i like it

[ember lodge]

So... MT-25 or T34-85?

[slim phoenix]

mt25 line

[ember lodge]

Thx.

[analog verge]

How i spotted?

[plucky summit]

The top of the turret has a spotting node which was within view range of you, causing you to be spotted

[analog verge]

Turret is not seeing me already

[plucky summit]

There are spotting nodes simply at the top of tanks

[analog verge]

Look at the surface its already behind of the hill

[plucky summit]

I think I could better explain it with a clip of the event

[violet timber]

<@&481447501690568709> Nitero?

Just when we thought it couldn’t be done, weegee has outdone themselves

Here’s the rest of the stats, for those interested

[plucky summit]

🗿

[hollow moth]

The famous "Hull Down heavy N° 819"

We kinda of need more heavies with the main weakspot being the turret cheeks around a strong mantlet, so it teaches proper turret wiggling to players, like an M6 EXP

[shell robin]

Or a japanese super heavy

@violet timber do we have a gimmick yet? Or did they get cucked out?

[hollow moth]

Japanese super heavies don't fit on Blitz

[shell robin]

Neither does the maus.

[hollow moth]

Maus does. Japanese super heavy doesn't.

[shell robin]

They had to downsize the maus because it was big. Simply downsize the type 5 and you're good to go

[hollow moth]

WG actually tried Type 5 heavy before in a super test much years ago. It literally was canceled because it's size was too big for blitz and caused camera problems.

Also, something with that much armor and a 150mm+ gun doesn't combine well on the game

[shell robin]

They downsized a majority of the tanks so they could fit, especially the german super heavies. Very few tanks are dimensionally accurate so they can fit. Downsizing the japanese super heavies is as much of a hassle as it was for the german super heavies, or even the tog

As for it's stats, WG never cared about balance in the first place. Why do you think smasher and anni exist?

[median oak]

The difference is no one cares about tier 7

[hollow moth]

The only two differences between Type 5 Heavy and E100 are size and armor. If you decrease the size and the armor to make it balanced, then you simply can play E100 instead

Also, WG doesn't care about balance when they can milk money from it*

[shell robin]

Ok, so what about the yoh or 60tp? Or tier 8 with the polish heavy, t54 ltw?

@hollow moth i never said they would try to balance it. I said that all they could do was downsize it and throw it into blitz.

[hollow moth]

60tp, aside from the special consumables, is balanced. As for the tier 8 polish heavy and t54 ltw, I never had problems with those

[hollow moth]

That much armor + big cannon = unbalanced tank. It stills a bad idea.

It's even more total armor than Maus and basically an E100 gun. In smaller maps like what we have on Blitz, what do you think that other tanks are supposed to to when seeing it?

[winged adder]

60tp moment

[shell robin]

Same thing they do for a hulldown yoh, kran, or chieftain

[hollow moth]

That's where we get funky, 60TP doesn't have that much total armor, it have a barely decent hull armor and extremely weak sides. Only the turret is useful.

[hollow moth]

Hull down tanks can't march furiously to your direction. A Type 5 can.
: )

[winged adder]

60tp can definetly drive forward at you with little consequences assuming you know what you're doing

[hollow moth]

If a Kranvagn takes the frontline, it'll die quickly because frontlines rarely have good hulldown spots, with some exceptions on a few maps like Himmels.
A Type 5 does block shots simply by existing.

[hollow moth]

Then it's not doing because the armor is Type 5 like in numbers. It's doing because it's abusing enemies mistakes.
Every single tank can abuse the mistakes from others, but a Type 5 could march unstopably because it's a mobile cover for allies and have an exceptional flat armor.

Advance because enemies are not paying attencion =/= Advance because enemy heavies with actual good guns still struggle to penetrate you.

"Oh but then you can also nerf the armor"
With smaller size and worse armor, why you still asking for a Type 5 instead of grinding for E100?

[shell robin]

At any rate, i wonder if the type 71 will have a gimmick?

[hollow moth]

I don't know the translation of gimmick, tell me examples of gimmicks, please

[shell robin]

Russian light tracers, yoh reserve tracks

[hollow moth]

Ah yes, I'd call it as perks.

[shell robin]

I'd call what you just said WG ass kissing

[hollow moth]

?

Excuse-me?

[shell robin]

What? It is what it is.

[hollow moth]

I didn't understand why you called me WG ass kissing

Perhaps because I'm the only living soul that likes T28 HTC
This must be the reason

[shell robin]

I've never played it, so idk

[hollow moth]

I don't recommend tho

[drowsy meadow]

Who want tank image?

[shell robin]

Sure

[hollow moth]

Not today.

[shell robin]

That's cool

[drowsy meadow]

All it takes is an idea and enough legos

[shell robin]

So anyways, @hollow moth do you think the type 71 will have a "perk"?

[hollow moth]

I suppose something related to the cannon, usually japanese tanks have great cannons.

[shell robin]

WG has a weird hatred for Japanese Tanks, but I'm hoping some mercy will be shed this time

[hollow moth]

There's HoRi tho, it's an interesting line the only interesting line among the only two

[shell robin]

A decent line, but all it has is the penetration.

[hollow moth]

They have a troll armor too, mostly the tier 9

[shell robin]

Anyways, i gtg. I'll leave with saying the armor is troll to mediums, but against heavies and prammo, forget about it.

[hollow moth]

🤷‍♂️

[calm drum]

dracuraptor#4326 has been warned.

[shell robin]

2 questions: are those stock stats or are equipment and provisions in play with those stats. And i asked this already but I'm reiterating, is there a gimmick yet?

[violet timber]

I am not sure, I believe they are the stats with 100% crew, no equipment, and no provisions. Also, no gimmick as far as I know, only your above average hull down heavy

[shell robin]

How good is 2500 dpm for tier 10 heavies?

[violet timber]

T95E6 has 2,503 dpm base, so 2,581 base is rather good

[shell robin]

Armor and speed look good at least. This will most likely be my first tier 10 heavy, simply due to it being Japanese.

[violet timber]

You’re probably looking at around 3k dpm when fully equipped for it, which is completely, 100%, totally fair and balanced, especially when matched with that armor profile

[shell robin]

I haven't compared the stats yet, but it seems like an is-7 without the pike nose

[violet timber]

The thing that might kill it is the p/w, as it seems a bit low. However, we don’t know about it’s terrain resistances yet so it could be rather nice

[shell robin]

Japan usually has lackluster engines anyway, so I'm not surprised.

[violet timber]

It may not be able to reach its top speed unless going down hill, but they probably won’t matter anyways

[shell robin]

Do you think it'll be equal to IS-7?

[violet timber]

From what I can tell, it’s probably be a replacement for the 60TP if you need a bit more dpm, though I could see it replacing the IS-7 as well. It’ll just be a higher dpm hull down heavy than what we currently have

[shell robin]

I've got hopes for it. Seems a potential meta tank, though it might depend if it gets a gimmick.

[violet timber]

Actually it might just straight up replace the Yoh as dpm for a team

[shell robin]

Well, I'm glad they didn't decide to punish us for asking for Japanese heavies for 5-6 years.

[violet timber]

I’m a bit worried with how heavy the meta is getting, especially when these heavies are mobile and have good armor

[shell robin]

It'll be the first meta tank i get.

At this point, I've given up on hoping for something good to happen for the sidescrapers

[boreal spruce]

world of heavys, thats why i think WG is giving us a bigger map because then meds and lts will work more. (however we have fast heavys so it wont work.....)

[dim lily]

A

[hard cedar]

😂

[timid peak]

tvp t 50/51 so good

[violet timber]

It’s very team dependent

[timid peak]

4 ammo clip, ave dmg about 310 dmg, strong med

[scarlet kernel]

i think they should make "MBT" as another classification, rn they are putting it either as medium or heavy tank

[balmy compass]

This game is more centered around inter-war and ww2 so I doubt they would do that despite having mbts

[thorny smelt]

MBT-70: Why am I a heavy?

[solid gate]

I have an M7 IV atm and it gets 1200-1700 hit points in battle but the next one the V is worst, I can upgrade but it seems like a poor choice

[civic relic]

60TP is an amazing helluva tank. But I feel and maybe you do that a mix of hulldown, a high alpha gun, and good speed, is bad 4 the game

I also finally understand why ppl say E5 and 215b sucks now. When I first tried 60TP I applied all the lessons I got from earlier experiences, but I personally feel that I have yet to put full effort in the tank to do anything. On the other hand, I feel like I have to put a lot of effort in T110E5 to do damage, and the armor isnt very forgiving even hulldown

[solid gate]

Should I chose a different tank line, I have enough experience to get a IV in any tank line

[balmy compass]

Keep going through M6 all the tanks there are good

[solid gate]

k

I researched the M4, it’s dpm is lower so I’m going to play the M7 until it’s higher

[solid gate]

It’s also much slower

[plucky summit]

That’s because it has a stock gun, you must upgrade it, and playing M7 does not affect M4’s DPM

[solid gate]

Sorry, should have been more clear, I’m going to play with the M7 to earn combat XP to upgrade the M4 so the dpm is better

[misty wing]

you don't use credits to upgrade tanks in this game

[plucky summit]

Yeah it's not like WoT

[solid gate]

Does tank level affect how much Xp or credits you earn?

[past crane]

From what I can find, the vast majority of tanks are late WW2 and early Cold War. There used to be a lot more early war and prewar vehicles in the tech trees before 5.5.

[scarlet kernel]

kinda, you get exp and credits mostly with the more damage you dealt. The higher the tiers the higher the hp pool and damage

[solid gate]

Alright, thank you

[pastel orbit]

Question

[plucky summit]

Go on

[pastel orbit]

Why does the ram ll take so long to get in a match with

[plucky summit]

Not quite sure, were you in a platoon?

[pastel orbit]

No

[plucky summit]

I suppose it's just slim queue population, then

[shell robin]

i wonder if the historical modules type 95 heavy downtiered and pmm would make a balanced tank?

[civic relic]

Wat?

[shell robin]

it's a WoT japanese tier 4 heavy that's considered the second worst tank in the game, beaten only by it's tier 3 brother, the Type 91 heavy

[obsidian mirage]

Ahhhh..... British heavy not longer to be high DPM any more

[shell robin]

https://tenor.com/view/so-it-would-seem-gif-18723492

[civic relic]

Speaking of british heavy

I saw a fv215b visibly camp at the bush in yamato harbor

You solve ur dpm problem by being another problem? It seems

[lusty flame]

Imagine if anyone spends 75k gold on collect them all boxes

[obsidian mirage]

I Mean Fv215B is slow but the type 71 is fast like is 7 and high DPM so maybe they Will be annoying because he can hide and run + keep shooting

[molten otter]

Not really it cannot hold against premium sheels

[shell robin]

The p/w and traverse should limit it. It's got the top speed of a medium, but everything else is usual heavy mobility.

[obsidian mirage]

Maybe not for type 71 because what i see that STB but more heavy

[shell robin]

Nah. If it was a more heavy stb, it'd be a heavium. It's a typical nato hulldown heavy. I've talked with some of the more knowledgeable people here and they say it looks like an alternative to the 60TP or even IS-7.

[hollow notch]

Another generic hulldown heavy

[shell robin]

It's just a japanese hulldown heavy. Nothing else. I still think WG will shaft it like they always shaft the japanese tech trees.

[obsidian mirage]

Hmmm i feeling maybe the hull is strong like Hori type have extrme angle armor

[arctic bronze]

How do you play the ARL 44, it's turret is literally paper

[shell robin]

Hulldown for me mostly.

[hollow notch]

The arl44 is purely gun focused. Just outgun your enemies and meatshield your allies

[shell robin]

Did you see what the armor profile looked like?

[hollow notch]

Got u

[shell robin]

Thanks @hollow notch

Personally, i prefer alpha dpm over reload dpm, but it works for me.

[hollow notch]

The hull I just gonna laugh off everything while using depression, but the cheeks and hatch are still gonna be there

[shell robin]

Because ofc they gave it a tumor.

@hollow notch do you think they'll give it a gimmick?

What line came after the Ho Ri? For some reason i keep thinking it was the Yohs

[umbral hamlet]

vickers (then kran, tvp, yoh, 60tp and t100)

[shell robin]

Oh ok. Thx

Well, before we lose track, WG always finds a way to shaft the Japanese.

[thorny smelt]

Type 5 Heavy: I'm proud of my cousin

[shell robin]

We've yet to see it in action. But this super heavy git may need some hulldown braincells?

[misty wing]

bro why do you keep going on about this, the Japanese are pretty good in blitz imo
if any nation gets shafted it's the british, french, or chinese

[arctic bronze]

Jap line is best for experienced players tbh

[shell robin]

British get shafted too. I feel bad for them.
French, idk. I think they do pretty good with the speed and autoloading fascination.
Chinese, well i can't really call basing all of your indigenous tanks on a single russian tank being shafted.
Japan on the other hand gets a multipurpose medium that's beaten by the russians, a TD that has only penetration. And it took 5 to 6 years for us to ask for Japanese heavies, only to get a regular hulldown heavy. Don't worry, i haven't gotten to the japanese on wows or wowp yet.

[misty wing]

I'm pretty sure no one but you was asking for japanese heavies in blitz lol, no one wants more superheavy derps in the game. The devs knew that, and took the time to create a different branch that would fit in the game more

[shell robin]

I'm pretty sure you haven't looked hard enough for those people. Some of us kid, sure, but there are those that I've come across that do want them. It's more pleasing than the hulldown mess we've been getting. To WG's credit, no company becomes successful by neglecting its major fanbase, who likes the hulldown style.

[misty wing]

Also just because the majority of chinese designs were based on soviet ones, doesn't mean they deserve to be left behind

[shell robin]

Like how the leopard 1 and amx 30 were based off each other (at least that's how history makes it seem to me)?

[wanton fjord]

How is the STB-1 compared to the T-62A?

[misty wing]

not really, France and Germany made some efforts to collaborate but ultimately they resorted to doing their own thing

[vast cargo]

Hi evetone . Guys what do you think about this line

[shell robin]

At least WoTB hasn't gone down the rabbit whole yet. You want a game that has, play war robots. On the leo 1 and amx 30, i was kinda close.

@wanton fjord neither one are the best at anything, but they can do most jobs well enough. Stb is more second line while the t62 can afford to take a hit or two, but otherwise the playstyle is similar

[wanton fjord]

Okay

[misty wing]

As for the french, the batchat line has clearly been left behind by the other lights. The AMX 50b is pretty decent, but they made the 50 100 worse and the 50 120 has always been somewhat mediocre. The Foch 155 had its moment of brilliance, but that was well in the past, and the tier 6, 7, and 8 in the TD line have been god awful for as long as I can remember

[shell robin]

French td weren't really anything to write home about anyways. Really more of a fun tank than a competitive tank like 183. I seem to run into a lot of decent batchat players then, because they eat sheris for breakfast. I do admit though, speed and autoloaders don't win everything.

[misty wing]

to be honest I think the sheridan probably has the least competent playerbase out of any tech tree tier 10

[shell robin]

If you thought a lumbering derp tank was bad, sheris are worse.

[misty wing]

probably just a bunch of kids who rushed to it for the missiles, only to have them removed later on

[shell robin]

Honestly, sheris on blitz are more braindead than any Japanese heavy I've seen on PC

And i had to watch an O-Ni crush a Black Prince.

[misty wing]

to be honest I don't think WG plays favorites at all with nations, people talk about russian bias all the time but there are plenty of crap russian tanks too

[shell robin]

I think WG tries to avoid playing favorites, but sometimes they jack up a vehicle so bad, it's almost looks like nation bias

[misty wing]

Object 263 was kinda butchered with the rework and the rest of its line is pretty garbage, one of the IS-7, IS-4, obj 140, and t-62 are seemingly always in the shadow of their counterpart, and there are lots of trash russian prems too like t-44-100 and t-2020

[shell robin]

You got a lot of russian prems to choose from, there's gotta be a dumpster fire in there somewhere.

But japan has very few tanks that can be called good, let alone meta. STB only fits because it can hulldown, but so can the T-62a or obj 140. The Japanese hulldown heavies will change that no doubt, but there's historical japanese tanks to make prems out of too, and some pretty dope ones too. Ji-Ro, Ka-Mi, hell, give Ro-Go pmm, and I'd get it.

[misty wing]

I think the entire Ho-Ri line is quite strong, it definitely doesn't "only have pen"

[shell robin]

Ok it's got troll armor too, but that's about it.

[misty wing]

it's also got decent mobility with great reverse speed, and the gun stats apart from the pen are also pretty fantastic

[blissful hamlet]

Good

[shell robin]

It's mobility is not that good. It ain't a medium tank by any stretch. Hell it barely passes as a heavy tank in speed (average speed. we all know it's faster than a maus and E 100). The reload counters the pen, and the gun handling works. It's average in most of those regards, and the low alpha plus low hp don't help it's case. I can't tell if it's a sniper or a support because it has the armor, gun handling, and maneuverability of a support, but it has low hp and high pen gun of a sniper

Tbh, ho ri is badly overrated, and so is the stb. They're both above average, but they aren't fabulous in any way besides pen (in the case of stb, that pen applies only in the prammo)

[misty wing]

it's not a medium but most TDs get really slow at the high tiers (look at the americans and jageroo), so it's definitely pretty good in that regards. The dispersion values and accuracy are well above average, and the DPM is higher than most 150mms in its tier

the only real disadvantage it has with regards to firepower is the alpha, but it's still higher than most heavies and meds, so it's not like you lose your fear/trading factor

[shell robin]

I like how you used the slower td to defend the Ho Ri's speed. But what about the 268 or the 263? or WZ-113 FT?

[strange thicket]

pretty big number of people wanted it
ever wonder why there was an official response from wg about it? can't be because of a literal 1 one guy

[shell robin]

^

[misty wing]

I used the slower TDs to show you that the amount of mobility the Ho-Ri has is an asset, not a liability. In a world where TDs usually get downgraded mobility when they reach tier 10, the Ho-Ri is instead the most mobile tank of its line

I find many of your statements to be extremely pessimistic ngl

[shell robin]

when you see the one nation you decided to stick to get shafted in any historical war game, it gets overbearing sooner or later. if you want to convince me the Ho-Ri has good mobility, why don't you compare it to tanks of equal or better maneuverability, to show how small a difference it is. like compare it to the 263, 268 or WZ-113 FT

showing someone how a tank is faster than a slow tank and calling that tank fast does not make the tank fast. The E5 is faster than the E100, but everyone knows it's no speed demon

[misty wing]

Well you're pretty clearly implying that the Ho-Ri's mobility is one of its downsides, when it really isn't

[thick trout]

Average power to weight with good traverse and very good top speed and excellent reverse.

[misty wing]

its mobility is in a pretty similar class to the 268 tbh, worse power/weight but better traverse and reverse

[shell robin]

i'm saying the exact opposite actually. i'm saying it's mobility isn't an advantage, and that's not considering the fact it's a td.
Right, and the 268 is pretty darn quick. i've seen it go myself.

@thick trout show me it's terrain resistance. Ho ri maneuverability feels more like the ARL 44 than even the pre-mobility buff Chi-Ri the Ho-Ri is supposed to be based off of

[thick trout]

That's including its terrain resistances

[misty wing]

The Ho-Ri has more armor than the Chi-Ri so naturally it's gonna be a bit slower, like how the 268 v4 is slower than the IS-8

[shell robin]

I preach my love for Japanese heavies, but I'm not that braindead. ofc it's gonna be slower. Btw, Ho Ri isn't the fastest td in the line.

[misty wing]

I guess you can make an argument for the tier 8 being faster? But the tier 10 is way faster than the tier 9, and I see its overall mobility as pretty good

[shell robin]

I think everyone knows the tier 9 is the snail in the line. It's also possible to make a case for the tier 7 as well