vehicles-discussion

[misty wing]

nowadays every single battle you have a guy with 300 battles and 30% winrate in a tier 10 collector

[violet timber]

I love blitz theory

[plucky summit]

^-^

[hollow moth]

I may look like a boomer, but to be honest, I kinda miss when World of War ducks was still a thing

[plucky summit]

Unbalanced as heck, shark fin OP

[slim phoenix]

mine too

ikr!

[misty wing]

can they please make ARL V39's cupola bigger and weaker, it's too difficult of a weakspot to hit

[plucky summit]

xD

[hollow moth]

As for ARL 44 stock turret, it's kinda too angled

[plucky summit]

M2 Medium needs at least some gun depression

[misty wing]

I think the Ho-Ri needs more pen, I can't go through the e3's gun mantlet

[plucky summit]

Buff Ho-Ri

[hollow moth]

I believe one day that this game will be balanced and WG will nerf St Emil 🙏

[misty wing]

st emil too OP, they should nerf the mobility

[versed zinc]

What app is this?

[hollow moth]

It's called as Armor Inspector

[misty wing]

as for the Tortoise, I believe they should nerf its speed to match its namesake

[versed zinc]

Thx, also wtf

[hollow moth]

Also remove the gun, since when tortoises carry cannons?

[slim phoenix]

is that the VK tortoise, tor’s, tortoise pta, or tortoise 1

[misty wing]

clearly none of them, it's the tortoise maus

[misty wing]

they also need to buff the roof armor while nerfing it everywhere else, because that's more realistic to how a tortoise is actually armored

[runic cloud]

Rename it Blastoise 🙏

[civic iron]

they should buff T-100 LT mobility and DPM, also camo. its way too weak and def needs a buff

[plucky summit]

@versed zinc sorry for not responding earlier, this specific situation involves a premium tank and a tier X vehicle, which is unavailable to those who have not paid money, so if you want to see a situation with a non-tech tree or a tier 10 vehicle, you could buy the deal or ask me for what you want to see

[versed zinc]

Ohhhh, alright,thanks for telling me! And maybe you could show me the waffentrager auf e100? I can't see it

[civic iron]

u mean jg pz e100?

[versed zinc]

Nope, I meant what I said

[civic iron]

cant help u in that case

[versed zinc]

Damn, alright then ->-"

[civic iron]

the only waffentragger auf I know is Wt Auf Pz IV

[versed zinc]

Ah, maybe I can get pictures? I can't even see the name lmao

[civic iron]

sure

[versed zinc]

Thx

[wintry orchid]

Search for old wot pc pics
Also qb made a Vid not so long ago if you wanna watch this

[civic iron]

oh, u mean this abomination? its not in blitz @versed zinc

[versed zinc]

YES, that, and I kinda like it, it looks cool to me ->-

[civic iron]

ah

hm, all I did is show my desktop and search qury for wt auf E 100 wot blitz...

[versed zinc]

Wow- rip

[thorny smelt]

HE magnet

[civic iron]

mhm

[versed zinc]

Indeed

[obsidian mirage]

Broken tank

[misty wing]

if you want to look at tanks for the heck of it, go to tanks.gg. It's for PC so it has more tanks and more detailed models, plus it's completely free

[copper swan]

heard someone say using WZ 113 can deal with the 2 or 3 shot M-VI-Yoh, is this a good idea either in regular battle or tournament?

[violet timber]

Depends heavily on the situation. In regular battles it's doable, in tournament... good luck.

[fiery sandal]

Hey guys I just found a scam

[hollow notch]

Free discord?

[violet timber]

If it’s not crates, we don’t care

[fiery sandal]

So, I bought the E75 TS a long time ago, so I’m aware that the camo costs 1,500 gold when you click camo in your garage. But in the store it’s 2000 gold more than the no camo version,

[violet timber]

The camo version also comes with equipment…

[silk charm]

is fv201 deal worth it?

[fiery sandal]

I mean, you can buy that with credits

[violet timber]

Then don’t get the camo version… where is the scam here?

[fiery sandal]

Fv201 isnt, the only thing it has is dpm

[violet timber]

Dpm, turret armor, and slightly more mobility than the BP

[silk charm]

how much would the prog 46 be if it went on sale based on past sales?

[violet timber]

It’s like a CAX but a tier lower

[hollow notch]

Not even close. Hull is complete paper

[copper swan]

and the turret has unreliable armour

[violet timber]

CAX hull is also rather unreliable

[silk charm]

agreed, been able to pen 201 quite easily
basically cax but paper
and such a huge profile, yikes

[copper swan]

think of Centurion 1 but in tier 7 with less turret armour
that's FV 201 A45

[violet timber]

That works

[copper swan]

should that be moved to tier 6

[violet timber]

Nah, it’s fine where it is, we have the Tog at tier 6

[hollow notch]

Uhhhhh very different classes of armor

[silk charm]

it seems too modernized to be thrown into tier 6 imo
and then theres the event tanks what am i even saying

[copper swan]

or make FV 201 A45 an event tank

[violet timber]

I didn’t actually know there was that much of a difference, thanks for letting me know

[copper swan]

do you look at armour inspector

[hollow notch]

But hey, you can use yourself for hull down cover

[silk charm]

turret cant be penned, i see this as an absolute win

[copper swan]

is that the rear? loads HE and fires at the FV 201

[misty wing]

I thought you guys were talking about the centurion AX this whole time lmao

[silk charm]

what the heck, prog 46 was on sale for 12k last time?? was there any cheaper price for that thing

[copper swan]

nah, talking about tier 7 FV 201 A45 premium tank

[safe cedar]

It went on sale for 8500 before.

[silk charm]

ah, thats a bit more acceptable

[copper swan]

it was for free before

[silk charm]

yep
funny thing, i joined the game at that time and did not realize just how big of an event it was

[safe cedar]

When did you join game lol?

[silk charm]

i think blitz cup was october or november, somewhere around that time

[violet timber]

Dang, you’re really new

[silk charm]

yep, but i throw myself into the community

[violet timber]

We welcome you with open arms

[silk charm]

as frustrating as this game is, i still love it

[misty wing]

I'm currently being tortured by playing the su-100m1

[violet timber]

Ah, the good only no gun depression

[misty wing]

no gun depression and weirdly bad gun handling for the average alpha it has

[neat nimbus]

im gonna get rid of the tier locked camos i see them as useless

few are tier locked

[versed zinc]

Are we going to ignore the fact that is is possible for the t-29 to bounce a shell from the E-100 and Maus??? It's rare it would happen but it is possible-

[hard cedar]

Wow an angle which you'll probably never see in a real game!

[versed zinc]

It can do it level as well, lemme show, but only with AP

[misty wing]

most tanks can bounce an e100 or maus

[versed zinc]

Aha, m o s t

[signal steppe]

especially maus, it has the worst pen out of all heavies t10
and garbage accuracy too

Also its a t29, the turret is decent, it can actually bounce , u dont need this weird angle

u're speaking of it like it has paper turret

[versed zinc]

This gives me satisfaction 😌

[signal steppe]

Just go hulldown smh

[versed zinc]

ok lol

[signal steppe]

yes because everyone knows t29 turret is strong even in a tier 10 match

[versed zinc]

Well I didn't 😎

[misty wing]

new player?

[thorny smelt]

Use Ho-Ri

[versed zinc]

I don't have it, and I never will because my game crashed a month ago and it won't let me connect to the sever 😎

[signal steppe]

so.. you played the game last time 1 month ago?

[versed zinc]

Yep, never got to play boss mode, don't know what it's like

[signal steppe]

imagine not being able to fix this simple issue

[versed zinc]

:/

1. I can no longer update the game, no matter what I do

2. It's not my fault >:/

3. Even if I reinstall the game It will not allow me to connect to the sever

4. Am sad, boss mode looks so fun :')

[violet timber]

5. Support exists

[versed zinc]

Tried

[signal steppe]

6. your points make no sense, how can you "no longer update the game" if you reinstalled it? obviously having the latest version now?

ever tried to make sure your login data was correct? right server selected? use another device? another wifi?

its just basic and logic problem solving here ngl

[versed zinc]

1. Yes

2. It won't let me select

3. I don't have one

4. Yes

[signal steppe]

@versed zinc whats your device rn

[versed zinc]

Amazon

[signal steppe]

excuse me

[versed zinc]

Lmao, say it, I've gone through 4 updates on it

[signal steppe]

Amazon is not a device

[versed zinc]

sigh Amazon Fire hd tablet, happy?

[signal steppe]

cant you download the game on ur phone

[versed zinc]

Yes but as I said, the game won't allow me to select a sever, at first I thought it was a bug but now I think it's more than a bug

[signal steppe]

Ok but i said try on another device, try to download it on ur phone, amazon tablets arent even meant to game on them and amazon store can be troublesome, even the best ones have poor specs for heavy games anyway

[versed zinc]

I already said, i do not have another device, also the tablet was running the game perfectly fine, I was even able to play it on HD graphics without any problem

[signal steppe]

Atf, u dont have a phone?

[valid gale]

Unless he got the T-100 lt update 2-3 weeks ago this might be a device/hardware issue

[signal steppe]

ofc, its a fire tablet, 2/3 gb ram

[versed zinc]

No, if I did we would not be having this conversation

[signal steppe]

how can u not have a smartphone in 2022

[versed zinc]

cuz I'm broke :/ duh

[signal steppe]

😩

[versed zinc]

Maybe I can get one in the next 20 years 😂

[signal steppe]

well wotb gonna be rocking in 2042

[versed zinc]

It's never gonna die, I probably have the next 100 years lmfao

[signal steppe]

well if u're a turtle probably yes

[scarlet kernel]

i checked tanks.gg on the type 5 heavy, and for blitz standard for tier X armor.
it's bad

i mean, bad tanks doesn't always equal not fun. but it's blitz, for a derp gun with no armor and slow. i don't think it's any fun

[versed zinc]

Lmao, what if I am 😂

[signal steppe]

they can change stats when they bring tanks from wot to wotb
actually, thats what they always do, tanks change a lot when they get brought in wotb

[scarlet kernel]

there is still no point for it to be on blitz

[signal steppe]

There is no point for a lot of things, there is no point to exist for any game..

[plucky summit]

Type 5 Heavy is busted for Blitz, armor + derp is just a bad idea. At least they’re not adding it

[misty wing]

I'm sad about how they butchered the 268 4

[plucky summit]

I’m not, but I did think it was funny that everyone thought the cupola didn’t exist

[misty wing]

Not in terms of power level, but they ruined the playstyle that it's supposed to have imo

[plucky summit]

Tbf it’s too heavily armored to be that fast

But then again IS-7 exists

[misty wing]

I feel like every change they made compared to the PC version makes it less fun for both the player and the person fighting it

[plucky summit]

Blitz is a vastly different game to balance around

[misty wing]

• more braindead armor (stronger front but the sides are pennable as soon as you angle the slightest bit, rear no longer HE-able)
• slower
• higher alpha, worse pen

[spark basin]

love seeing broken as hell tanks in pc getting nerfed to dogwater here

[misty wing]

I feel like it doesn't matter whether it's PC or blitz, those qualities are less fun for both games

[plucky summit]

Less fun, more balanced. Oh well.

[misty wing]

I think I'd rather play and fight against the PC version in blitz with the exact same stats 🤷‍♂️

[plucky summit]

I'd rather keep the game balanced

[misty wing]

I don't think either version is balanced very well though so that's not even part of the discussion really

I think they should've kept the mobility and most of the gun stats the same, but with 560 alpha (since that's the blitz equivalent) and nerfed the frontal armor by 10-20mm

But instead they turned a potentially novel playstyle tank into a boring one, that's not necessarily even more balanced

[plucky summit]

Dang they didn't turn it into another 263

What a shame

[misty wing]

263 > e3 and jageroo hybrid

And it's kinda supposed to be like the 263, that's why it replaced it at tier 10 and succeeds the 263 in PC lol

[plucky summit]

🤷‍♂️

[valid gale]

Casually chooses less alpha and no reactive armor over 690 alpha

[misty wing]

Does it have reactive in blitz?

[plucky summit]

I love how obnoxiously thick the 71 degree UFP is

Yes, it has reactive

[misty wing]

That's stupid lol
I'd take the PC version any day, no thanks

[plucky summit]

And lose to HEAT more easily? Alright

[misty wing]

Wdym

[plucky summit]

Both the UFP and LFP are susceptible to HEAT, while in Blitz, they remain fine. LFP is actually vulnerable to standard shells, easily

Can't even facehug with that upper plate, it loses to all AP and APCR shells once you put slight GD on it

[misty wing]

I'm getting the impression that you're saying the PC version is weak, when you implied earlier that the blitz version is more balanced

I'm confused lol

[plucky summit]

I'm saying I prefer the balanced version on Blitz over the less balanced version in Blitz

But at least braindead weakspots aren't there in Blitz

[misty wing]

I prefer a tank that actually has a proper identity

[plucky summit]

A hardcase, high alpha TD that actually has much better mobility than a Jg. Pz. E100?

🤷‍♂️

[misty wing]

PC devs clearly wanted to make a TD line with strong armor and mobility but a weaker gun, and they did exactly that, balanced or not
Blitz just does so much weird tweeking to the point where I can't generalize a tank to a few characteristics like with PC ones

[plucky summit]

They have to do weird tweaking since it's a considerably different game

Getting shot out of nowhere isn't as much of a luxury in Blitz, and 268/4 can manhandle corridors

[misty wing]

I can really just generalize this down to the main difference between PC and blitz, better ideas vs better execution

I feel like blitz devs doesn't even have an idea of what kind of tank they want to make most of the time, they just nerf and buff random stats until it seems balanced

[plucky summit]

Their main focus is making newer tanks hotter to bring in more players and make it interesting.

Unfortunately they haven't been nerfing as much as they need to be in recent updates

Also Money 🤑

[misty wing]

True, both departments focus primarily on 💸

[plucky summit]

Of course I'd like to solidify my premise of balance, but I recently invented the X70, destroying my appearance of credibility in balance 💀

[misty wing]

What

[valid gale]

Idk about you but I trust the team that made t10 collectors balanced compared to tech trees vs the team that reworked HE 2 times needlessly let alone crew

[plucky summit]

I couldn't word it any better, I suck 🗿

[plucky summit]

Well you see, giving 9 degrees of gun depression to a tank that's already a cherry on top is uh

Y e a h . . .

I do big dumb a lot

[misty wing]

at least the sides and rear are HE-able

[spark basin]

tier 8 concept 1b

[misty wing]

so therefore you did a better job than blitz devs, who want to slowly drive HE into obsolescence

[plucky summit]

You see, I based it on my first ever tank drawing

It's... stupid looking, to put it honestly (the first drawing, I based the X70's stock turret off of it

[misty wing]

wait it has a stock turret?

[plucky summit]

It's so angled that it's broken given the auto-rico against AP and APCR 💀

[misty wing]

damn you put a lot of effort into this

[plucky summit]

I didn't want to fail to honor my first ever... 🤢 tank 🤢🤢

[misty wing]

have you tried making stats for your other creations

[plucky summit]

Yes, I have about 60 concept sheets like this one

Unfortunately you've seen the only tech tree module sheet I've ever created

I'd be glad to show you, at least, maybe anything specific? Tier? Type? I might just have it

[misty wing]

I wanna see a TD

[plucky summit]

I have like, two or three. Here's one of them.

This one's garbage by design.

[misty wing]

I love how the frontal armor view looks insanely boxy

[plucky summit]

It truly is deceptive

[misty wing]

also looks pretty german/maus-like despite what appears to be a chinese inspired hull

[plucky summit]

Here's the only other one

Also truly doomed by design

[misty wing]

so a turretless 183 with armor and even more alpha but not so good hesh?

[plucky summit]

It's standard HE, but caliber magnifies it

Also it's adorably tiny, no gun traverse too =)

Everything's good until it max rolls HE though, anything that isn't a heavy is gone, 2000 HP

[misty wing]

if I were to design a tank for the game, I'd make it a maus that's twice the length but with paper-thin armor and can go really fast

[plucky summit]

TOG II buff then.

[misty wing]

and incredibly slow shell velocity, 300 m/s

idk I really like tanks with highly contrasting characteristics lol

[plucky summit]

If you want, I could make a tank based on tier, type, and some characteristics

[misty wing]

as in draw the tank from your imagination based on given parameters?

[plucky summit]

Y e s

[misty wing]

alright
Tier 10 turreted tank destroyer
2 shot autoloader with long intra-clip
American
average-weak armor

idk if that's the amount of vagueness/detail that you wanted

[plucky summit]

Even this wacky concept works, you can go that far

Of course though, I will balance it the best I can

[misty wing]

okay then, I'm gonna add "unusually large size" to the list of characteristics

also can you try making up a brief history for the tank like WG does for their fakes? would be kinda interesting lol

[plucky summit]

I actually have a vague tank already for it

I haven't done descriptions at all, it'll be a rocky ride

[misty wing]

also try making up names for the modules, I'm sure you can do better than WG 😂

[plucky summit]

Oof, I lack room for module names, but I shall try

[thorny smelt]

That's a WOT PC version >_>

[misty wing]

so? still WG lol
idk I watched quackybaby's video and found that kinda funny

[weak sparrow]

how r u so good with geometry

[plucky summit]

When you've drawn nearly 1900 tanks, it kinda uhh

Happens.

But thank you regardless 🙂

[spark basin]

can anybody tell me why the m46 patton has terrible ap and prammo pen

[plucky summit]

American Medium.

Next question

[dense blade]

im suprised the devs didnt add the type61 with experimental extra platings ver in the new upcomin ht loot

[misty wing]

Looks like a bigger pz iv h

[obsidian mirage]

Bruh that like tank use armor from amateur worker

[dense blade]

jsdf were 1 step behind on military techs till like the 90s, cant blame em, besides theres more derpier tonk designs in the world

[nimble topaz]

intense fight

2 vs 3 LOL

[fiery palm]

I will always hate the tortoise. Most terrible tank I have ever played in the game thus far

[nocturne tiger]

I literally chuckled when I saw that Tortoise was getting an armour buff

[cursive mortar]

i wonder if wg gonna add centurion avre in blitz

might become the new derp daddy

[open cave]

@open cave is it coming to blitz aswell?

[hollow moth]

Probably no, for the same reason of Primo Victoria never will be on Blitz as well;
Sabaton have contracts with WG for WoT, not WoTB

[fast island]

Avre wil make 4005 and fv215 183 bogus

[cursive mortar]

its gonna be in tier 8, maybe 9

[blissful hamlet]

They could just call it T123 like wotb

[blissful hamlet]

Too modern,
Never coming to blitz

[cursive mortar]

😿

[blissful hamlet]

Would you like to face a tank with a turret covered in reactive armor and capable of firing projectiles larger than 183mm?

[dusty copper]

How’s the Obj. 263 line?

[manic carbon]

Overall, mediocre at best

[lavish jetty]

m60 needs a new model

[violet timber]

Why is that?

[solid gate]

Ayo So I have the Jageroo, Leopard 1 and E 50M all researched, which one should I buy first?

[hollow moth]

Jageroo is funny, I'd go for it

[strange thicket]

E50M

[lyric copper]

with the A3 turret?

[hard cedar]

leo

[violet timber]

With ERA

[misty wing]

m60 needs PBR and it should be the normal american color with ability to equip camos

as it stands I think it's one of the ugliest tier 10s, and it's not really the tank's fault since I think the PC m60 looks fine

[hard cedar]

both are ugly

[violet timber]

For the most part, yes

[neat nimbus]

Is worth the chinese bulldog

Cuz I have money to buy it and I want know if is worth

[scarlet kernel]

basically premium bulldog, get more credits.
but i find it fun

[neat nimbus]

So is a yes?

[shell robin]

if you like the bulldog, you get a better version of it. yes it's very much a worthy tank

[neat nimbus]

I have the German bulldog

So I don't know whether buy the Chinese one or not

[shell robin]

the bulldog has no place in tier 8, even with the upgraded gun the German one gets

chinese bulldog is faster, better dpm, and way better hp/t

[nimble topaz]

any tips for IS 5 ?

[neat nimbus]

Is no longer in the store the Chinese bulldog

[safe tapir]

Is the Maus honestly a good tank?

[violet timber]

Yes

[nimble topaz]

🙂 👍

[nimble topaz]

which is better?
amx 50b or big mouse ?

[misty wing]

big mouse ?

[nimble topaz]

oh 😦 why thou ?

[misty wing]

no I was questioning what big mouse was lol
I mean I assume it's just the Maus, but why did you type it like that

[nimble topaz]

ahh🤣 LOL big mouse = maus 😂

[nimble topaz]

😆 😆 😆

[violet timber]

Personally, I like the Maus more

Which is better? Well, they are two very different tanks, despite both being under the heavy class, so I’m not really gonna say one is better than the other.

[nimble topaz]

D:

[safe tapir]

I love maus too,it was my first tier 10

[solid gate]

mine was obj 268

[violet timber]

E5

[rare glade]

Any tips for playing the 100.01 p?

[violet timber]

Angle

[umbral vigil]

got mauschen sidescrape
168 is downgrade of mauschen

[plucky summit]

Mine was IS-7 😎

[shell robin]

you guys made good choices in your first tier 10s. my first tier 10 was the stb-1 💀. it takes a certain kind of man to go through the toughest grind in the game first.

[civic relic]

mine was T110E5, then E 100

[hard cedar]

stb isn't the worst grind in the game imo I would say e3 is

[safe tapir]

Maus is the worst grind in the german line in my opinion,but the tank is worth it

[shell robin]

idk about you but toughest and worst are two things for me

[safe tapir]

especially mauschen,it was hell,I had to free exp my way to research maus

[shell robin]

i know for a certain fact the type 71 will be the last japanese line in blitz. IDK what other line to grind after that

[molten otter]

can is4 pen 60tp upper plate with HEAT

[shell robin]

dunno. maybe

[molten otter]

i find it very difficult to pen a is4 with 60tp

[shell robin]

most tanks do

[molten otter]

all tds can pen it with ap

[shell robin]

looks like the is-4 can pen the 60tp with prammo

[molten otter]

it was my first tier X don't use it anymore because of powercreep

[nimble topaz]

LOL

[nimble topaz]

what's the best MT ?? is it e 50 ?

[molten otter]

yes, the patton is good aswell

after the update the turret cheeks were thickened on the e50

[hollow plover]

how do you pick your targets when running in Chi-Ri? its gun choices have no damage/pen difference from Chi-To

[hollow belfry]

just find distracted targets, peek out for two seconds to dump your clip and move back behind cover

[hollow plover]

thats what i figured as well, armor isnt much different either

[misty wing]

ngl I'm not a huge fan of the centurion 5/1 raac
low alpha and mediocre DPM on a non-clipper is not a great combo imo

[late crane]

It's decent, I think of it as a fast Action X imo.
I like it more than the Action X for some odd reason

[misty wing]

The action x has insane dpm though, cent raac has a 4.9 second reload with that pathetic alpha

I'm not saying it's bad, I just don't like it
Harder to dish out damage compared to some other tanks

[molten otter]

wdym it easier to do damage in high dpm tanks than derp guns are autoloaders

[misty wing]

Wut

[late crane]

High-DPM tanks has some advantages and disadvantages, you have to constantly poke to deal damage, whilst big guns can just shoot, and back into cover.

The advantages of High-DPM tanks is constantly dealing damage over and over and to basically piss off your enemies while you're peppering them 🤣

[wise moth]

High DPM doesn't necessarily mean low alpha. Like, ISU-152 is like the 3rd highest DPM in its tier

[late crane]

Well then, let's change it to RoF

[spring hull]

Speaking of big gun tanks, what do you think of the play style of the rhm b wt and it’s strengths & weaknesses?

It’s currently one of my top damage dealers, not so good for my win rate (59.47%) but it increases the average damage so fast

[late crane]

It can dish out a large chunk of damage, the turret is rotatable, it has good camo, and it has decent mobility, but I'd say the mobility is average.

The weakness of the RHM is that it's a HE Magnet for everything and you're most likely the priority target people would tunnel for, I'd run spall-liner for the sake of it, the gun can be pretty trolly sometimes, but that's expected of a large caliber gun.

[spring hull]

Yes I do use spall liner as one of my provisions.

The only person I can blame for taking a HE in the face when driving a Borsig is probably myself, the Borsig isn’t meant to be in such a position like that in the first place anyway. Sometimes I do play very aggressively in close combat though, and sometimes it does pay off.

[late crane]

Playing it aggressively is one way, and it's quite fun.

Though, I'd definitely recommend frontline support and pick targets that are distracted and dish out that damage.

[spring hull]

I find that when using the Borsig I need to have a lot of situational awareness because if I get flanked by a MT or LT I’m basically toast.

[spring hull]

Yep, close combat with Borsig can pay off but when you don’t have the element of surprise it will likely end badly

[late crane]

Pretty much

[spring hull]

I also recently just learnt this but if a tank is going hull down you can hit it on the turret with HE, it will still do around 200-400 damage, enough to scare it off

[late crane]

Yes, but it depends on the person using the tank.
Most of the time when I do that, they just rush me and tunnel me down

[spring hull]

Of course if you’re in a 1v1 it’s probably best not to waste your shot and relocate and re engage the target (from a distance preferably)

But if your teammate is on a hill with a enemy both going hull down you could perhaps help out from a distance by using this tactic

[late crane]

I know 🤣

But the fact they don't care that I have a whole team behind just for that specific person to destroy me is just funny

[grim flint]

how do you know which tanks will be sold on shop guys?

tier 8 premium tanks and stuff like that

[thorny smelt]

We don't. Just keep an eye on the Store for any new tanks.

[fringe finch]

what line i should grind

[grim flint]

If you’re new, go for USSR medium tanks

imo T62A is better than Obj 140

[modest solar]

What heavy I could get with 3.5K gold?

[scarlet kernel]

Prediction time, since we are in 8.7 the jp ht is going to be released in 9.0
And my stats prediction for them is
120mm gun, standard tier X HT gun, around 8.9 sec reload (guessing by chieftain reload speed)

Weight about 45-50 tonnes? Guessing this is a heavy by armor and not weight

Speed of 40kph (guessing from chieftain), and around 750 hp engine (guessing by chieftain and the STB-1)

[scarlet kernel]

There was an offer for tiger 131 for 2k and fv201 for 3k

[grim flint]

you can get T14

[grim flint]

save for 8k golds

to buy Obj 252U or T54e2

you can get IS-5 for 1.5k golds only if you and your clan research all the clan resources

[modest solar]

Already have Tiger 131 (not worth it lol)

[grim flint]

save for t54e2 im sure you will love it

[brazen holly]

I think that’s a pretty safe guess

[modest solar]

I'll be looking to the tank

[grim flint]

or obj 252u

[modest solar]

I would say that if Tiger 131 have front armor it would be better normal tiger (it's because low tier tiger)

[grim flint]

simply beast

[modest solar]

Alright so survey list

• obj 252u
  -t54ae2
  -T14

Yes

[grim flint]

T14 is good for top tier

[violet timber]

Just get the 54E2

[grim flint]

yep

[violet timber]

It’s hands down the best tier 8 heavy right now

[modest solar]

Not sure, I have small gold. Only spend for BP but I skip this one

[eternal wigeon]

Obj 252U is has op armour

[grim flint]

or go for AX

[violet timber]

AX is heavily overrated

[brazen holly]

There is a decent chance
Going off from a guess on the shape and size, it looks like a STB-113 hybrid to me

[misty wing]

Not really

[fast grove]

im thinking
-stb turret without weakness
460+damage because yes
belo average dpm
either that or wz-113 with gun depression and strong gull

[brazen holly]

The gun does look fairly chonk, so 460 dmg doesn’t seem that odd

[violet timber]

I don’t think so tbh

The current meta we have is so incredibly strong that anything new would have to be insanely broken

[dusty dawn]

Thoughts on the o47 on sale now?

[shell robin]

skip

[dusty dawn]

It was available at the Xmas auction and I skipped it then..

[violet timber]

O47 is a meh tank overall

[dusty dawn]

Also recently available are the E75 TS and the VK 90 ..

[strange thicket]

you get some you lose some
can't have that armor and mobility AND good dpm

[viscid jackal]

how to play the 4202?

[solid gate]

Should i buy vk 90.01 p?

[shell robin]

don't

[hard cedar]

hesh!

[misty wing]

Exactly, I don't like its stat distribution

[strange thicket]

very good tank
but it depends if you can deal with the rear turret placement or not

[plucky summit]

Action X has insane DPM? Must I refer you to Caernarvon?

[polar gull]

action x has better armor

[plucky summit]

I honestly trust Caernarvon’s turret more than I need to

But hey, it’s a trade of armor and DPM

[solid gate]

Action x is like 10 times better than caernarvon

[strange thicket]

just get the sheriff lmao
better than both

[hard cedar]

I disagree

[plucky summit]

Extremely stretched statement, considering Caernarvon has 3025 DPM now

[strange thicket]

disagree all you want, sheriff is objectively better than action x. and much easier to get. probably can get it for a cheaper price

[hard cedar]

I disagree

[mystic sleet]

I agree with LostInSpace.

Also, the STG is fun.

[violet timber]

Just get the 54E2 and dunk on every other tier 8 heavy

[wise moth]

*Laughs in T32*

[wintry orchid]

Chad

[strange thicket]

welp

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shell robin]

is the Ho-Ri a sprg, self propelled railgun

[wind acorn]

I'm in a big Ho-Ri... cuz im very late 😉

[thorny smelt]

Ew

[scarlet kernel]

with 8.8 update, according to blitz hangar the B-C 25t armor is buffed.
lowest armor on front is 15mm driver hatch buffed to 60mm
top part of turret, from 50mm to 70mm

[misty wing]

Ah yes, let's buff the armor of a light tank

[hard cedar]

That buff won't make a difference anyway whatever

[scarlet kernel]

more like a low armor medium honestly, the armor is like the progetto. uses auto richocet to bounce

the most armored lt we have rn is the T-100 LT, with full gun dep you can expose your thick turret and half of your front hull cause it's gonna richochet

[civic relic]

Vk 28 105 derp gun is so fun to play

[violet timber]

More like a Leo 1

[misty wing]

ngl I didn't like any of the tier 5-6 105s from back in the day

[wise moth]

Mighty batchat armor is definitely stronger than Leo 1 armor tho lol

[scarlet kernel]

i think the BC is better armoured than the leo 1, just because the armor angle
full dep leo 1 front armor can't reach 70 degree, while the BC can

[violet timber]

It’ll be more like a Leo than a Prog though

[civic relic]

though leo 1 can have 9 deg of gun depression, which can be easily used to bait some shots, good luck trying that with bc

[scarlet kernel]

i was talking about armor, not the gun. but yea

[misty wing]

leo is also a bit easier to HE

[thorny smelt]

I lowkey wanted an AMX Defender.

[misty wing]

I got one from a mystery crate. It's fun to take out every once in a while

[thorny smelt]

After having fun with Spark or Blaze, I hope it is in Store anytime soon.

[limber rivet]

So the t95…….

[thorny smelt]

Wa?

[limber rivet]

Just randomly interjecting a tank that I wish could be fixed

I’m finding that it’s rather unbalanced

[hollow notch]

You are right. They need to nerf its speed. It's gotten way too many speed buffs and no buffs to what the tank is a actually supposed to be about

[limber rivet]

It’s still not that fast it goes about the same speed it was supposed to irl. But the weak spots they have in the front are driving me insane!!

[molten otter]

for the action X just go hulldown and keep poking your turret

[violet timber]

T95 is still a good tank, you get armor that works most of the time, a super consumable to fix your speed issue, and a nice gun

[neat nimbus]

Should I buy this camo?

[neat nimbus]

For the sheriff is meh but has good turret but less fun

[plucky summit]

Practically? Don't. Do you really like how it looks? Go for it

[neat nimbus]

Yeah I like 3d style but is worth it like does really worth money or save for something else

Or should I buy this

[limber rivet]

Yes

[hollow plover]

how do the three TX german HTs compare?

[neat nimbus]

Or a legendary camo for the 60tp

having gold enoug for one of two thing a tank or a legendary camo for a tier 10

[strange thicket]

It got a turret that actually works
Is somewhat nicely mobile
Doesn't have pathetic alpha
Still has dpm.
It IS better than the action x

[neat nimbus]

doent have hight octane fuel in mad games

[strange thicket]

Ah yes, mad games.
What other good way to compare tanks

[misty wing]

What

[neat nimbus]

i find the sheriff boring maybe because doesnt have something

[strange thicket]

I mean by all means if your top priority is fun in special modes i respect that

Just putting it that "regularly" the sheriff is a better action x

[neat nimbus]

true but the sherrif doesnt have "something" is missing it

[misty wing]

What does does the ax have that the sheriff is missing

Chieftain is not, regular caern is

[strange thicket]

Apparently high octane in mad games is the deal breaker

[neat nimbus]

Something was telling the sheriff lacks what could've made a very good tank

[misty wing]

yeah but you're implying the action x doesn't lack that something, which is?

[neat nimbus]

Lacks of armor front area which is a weak spot

And good alpha is what it lacks as well

[strange thicket]

lmao what are you talking about?
the sheriff has 240 alpha
the action x has 190 alpha
the sheriff has a better turret than the action x without the huge cupola.
what does the upper plate matter for in a hull down tank.

[hard cedar]

wow!!!! that's amazing

[nimble topaz]

yes.... but if you dont like it then dont LOL

[scarlet kernel]

i can see why people find the 1 shot HT in tier 8 with 90-105mm gun lacking
it's just boring, it's just good but boring

the sheriff is better than the AX but because the AX shoots fast, i can say it can be more fun

[misty wing]

ax also has a unique appearance, whereas sheriff kinda just looks like a pershing

[civic relic]

sheriff is smaller though, and has very good premium ammo pen

[strange thicket]

stay mad ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hard cedar]

I'm not mad but okay buddy

[silk charm]

sure looks nice but try to buy it when it goes on sale

[strange thicket]

sure homie :P

[molten otter]

don't think twice go for it

[pliant pike]

T28 prototype is a good tank's?

[scarlet kernel]

good gun, bad tank

[nimble topaz]

ALL believe in Orange 🤓

[pliant pike]

I don't get it

Can You explain it

[nimble topaz]

probably he means that the t28 has bad stats (armor, mobility, etc.) EXCEPT the gun LOL

[molten otter]

he means that the gun is amazing but the tank is shit

[misty wing]

3k is already an insane deal for that camo. It's about the same or higher quality than the t-100LT camo, which is 5k

[silk charm]

Oh shoot, didn’t realize that was the deal they give you

[molten otter]

they give it to you after the first battle

[misty wing]

not necessarily, camo offer pop-ups have pretty strange triggers

[molten otter]

i get it every month

[misty wing]

I like how the server bans nitro emotes but I can still use stickers lol

[molten otter]

I want to get wz113 but I don't have enough free xp to skip IS-2 it will murder my winrate if I use it? any help

[misty wing]

IS-2 gets a lot of hate, idk. I skipped the entire line because I didn't want to play the 110

[pliant pike]

IS-2 is a good tank's (for me)

[molten otter]

is2 is not bad but the russian IS is way better in every way except the 50 or smh hitpoints

[pliant pike]

I get this yesterday 2 M 1 tank's 1 day in IS-2

I don't know why IS is better than Chinese IS-2

but they both look the same to me

[silk charm]

Derp kv2 but worse?

[molten otter]

how many battles do you have @pliant pike

if you have less than 1k battles you will face bots

[thorny smelt]

It's good

[silk charm]

Really? How should I play it

The examples I see in the wild camp near the edge of the map

[thorny smelt]

Support tank destroyer. The armor is weak

[silk charm]

Yep, absolute paper armor from what I know
Also very easy to flank

[thorny smelt]

Most likely you'll stay at the back

[nimble topaz]

nice

[nimble topaz]

its not bad LOL

[molten otter]

it does more damage firing premium shell

[scarlet kernel]

i like this BP camos

[obsidian mirage]

More accuration maybe

[modest solar]

It's a nightmare for enemy tank that you are still alive

[viscid jackal]

If you're in tiers 5-7, that thing ain't to be trifled with.

[nova hull]

Is it hard to ace in defender mk.1 ?

[solid gate]

Think a maus fighting a mausosauras , who will win ?

[violet timber]

Maus

Mosasaurus is a shallow water predator, meaning that it would stay near the surface. If the Maus fires High Explosive shells, it would rupture the Mosasaurus’ internal organs, causing it to die

[lyric oriole]

Feels good to be ranked #1 in the Toaster

[hollow plover]

how does that ranking work?

[tawny yew]

Thoughts on the polish tank line ?? 60tp line

[thick trout]

It's ranked by the best WN8 per server for people with over 30/50/100 battles for 30d/90d/career rankings respectively

[lilac canopy]

should i get the is 7

or the is 4

man i just wanna get a strong tier 10 heavy that can block most shoots

[plucky summit]

Based only on that parameter, you may want the maus

[lilac canopy]

no no pls no maus

[plucky summit]

60TP.

Heck, just go IS-7

[shell robin]

i'm conflicted. i'm burning for a grind, but i'm still a bit disappointed by what the blitz japanese heavy brings to the table atm, and i'm still not sure about going through a different nation.

[solid gate]

im grinding for is-7 right now, with the 8.3 update is-7 become more stronger there is no ammorack problem anyways, if you are new (like me) its an cool tank to go on

[lilac canopy]

no im not a newbie. im a veteran

its just that the grind is so boring that im losing my mind and i have no clue what to grind for

[solid gate]

just go is-7, its fun u know

u can stuck at IS little bit but line is easy

[lilac canopy]

oki ill try

[solid gate]

and funny thing in the line, if we compare the kv-1s with his class, its totally broken lmao

[lilac canopy]

yeah its fun

alpha damage on kv1s is like if the e 100 had a 900 alpha

[solid gate]

it can broke everything in his class with the six tier turret

[hollow plover]

whats wrong with maus?

[plucky summit]

Maybe they prefer not to angle, or they want other qualities other than “blocking most shells”

[umbral hamlet]

is7 is just much better than is4 in these days

[scarlet kernel]

I have an idea
Just like the sheridan missile, im suggesting another type of hevicles.

"Event tanks" With purple name, these class of tanks is basically doesn't have it's place in the regular mm. Just like the sheridan missile, it can only be played on fun modes or training rooms

We can add someyhing like the sherman calliope (114mm version), premium shells are the rockets and it only does splash damage

[west rapids]

Calliope would be annoying considering how many rockets it even has

[silk charm]

Idk why I hate it so much for no reason, absolutely invincible but the traverse speed and saddening dpm isn’t fit for me

I need better advice on is7

[misty wing]

Just play aggro and hull down

I wasn't super comfortable on it at first either, but now it's one of my go-to tanks when I'm sick of losing and unable to carry

[thorny smelt]

Oh. The more I know. I should check mine.

[bronze latch]

How do you play the fv4005 I just got it and need some advice

[static cargo]

Type 71

[misty wing]

huh

[strange thicket]

support vehicle.
don't engage enemies directly, take shots at distracted enemies(usually by your teammates).
you need to use the consumables to maximize your effectiveness.
i like to run shell reload boost for obvious reasons. and reticle calibration just because i like to snap my shots especially when i don't wanna wait for the enemy to notice while i aim.
but generally run another repair kit.

[misty wing]

I run super speed boost and double repair kits

[balmy compass]

How would you guys play the jagdpanzer?

[strange thicket]

i find it mobile just enough

[misty wing]

which jagdpanzer

[balmy compass]

Oh I ment the e 100 version

[thorny smelt]

Install the Spall Liner. The armor is 100% HE-able

[bronze latch]

Thanks for the help

[bronze latch]

Thanks

[strange thicket]

oh yeah right, i felt like i forgot something

[civic relic]

Its ok to not use spall if your good enough, but it might require being more passive, patience

[strange thicket]

spall liner is just too good to sacrifice
it also allows for plays that would otherwise not be possible. it would be disadvantageous not to take it

[misty wing]

is turtle any good after the buff

[thorny smelt]

Wanna get HE'd by FV215 183 then?

[misty wing]

does anyone else feel like the 263 is too fast for its own good

[civic relic]

yes

[fast compass]

I feel the need... The need for way more speed

[misty wing]

with the narrow gun arc and bad gun handling that it has, the speed just makes it extremely difficult to aim

[civic relic]

need for speed vodka edition

[fast compass]

The Fast and the furious: tundra rally

[fast compass]

Tbh I dislike the 263 a lot. It used to have a fabulous gun that could snapshot across the map, while it did have a weak mantlet.

That was the main reason I played 263 over Foch. The accurate gun. Now I play neither

[scarlet mason]

is the 45 tp good

[misty wing]

I hate how the part where the hull connects to the casemate on the 263 is so easy to pen in a facehug

And if you incline your tank slightly downwards to get more gun depression, your engine deck is also a free pen

[fast compass]

Yeah basically anyone with two morsels of braincells will try and overmatch the engine deck or miss and hit the flat connection. Although someone with many morsels of braincells will not get stuck in a facehug against a 263.

[misty wing]

I mean, some slower tanks might not be able to help it

[scarlet kernel]

if only the grille have 1mm bigger caliber

grille vs foch

[umbral hamlet]

play as a support second line/sniper, I'd suggest to carry 1 big repair, reticle calibration and the thing which reduces the intra-clip

[misty wing]

People call the 122 TM balanced but I honestly think it's a little too weak, it sacrifices some armor, HP, and pen compared to tier 8 IS clones, but doesn't offer much in return besides some extra gun depression. It should at least have some extra mobility, being a medium and all, but it really feels no different from an IS-3

[molten otter]

tier 6 is okay, tier 7 is meh, tier has good turret but shit pen, tier 10 is amazing

[copper swan]

It's a medium tank, not a heavy

[misty wing]

Did you even read my message

[sharp delta]

i think chirema is so op tank .

for 8 lvl

[thorny smelt]

122TM is a mobile IS-3. Change my mind

[misty wing]

except it's not really more mobile than the IS-3

IS-3 has more effective power/weight and faster traverse

[thorny smelt]

🤔

[misty wing]

go look at blitzstars and see for yourself

[thorny smelt]

Oh yeah

[hollow notch]

People get way to caught up in what weegee classified a tank as

[misty wing]

the problem is it feels like a heavy, but isn't as good as the IS clones

[hollow notch]

Depends on the is clone

There are tanks that need far more help than the 122tm
There are tanks that need nerf sledgehammers before the 122tm even gets considered for rebalancing

[misty wing]

I can't really think of any OP tanks in tier 8 that aren't premiums tbh, except the 53TP

[jade torrent]

Yall think the centurion avre should be added its centurion with a derp 165 mm gun

[misty wing]

no

[jade torrent]

Why?

[misty wing]

cuz derps are cancer

[jade torrent]

Fair enough what about a normal 165 mm

[misty wing]

even worse

[lyric copper]

@jade torrent name a 165mm gun

that is used on a tank

[jade torrent]

I can't think of one

[thorny smelt]

It will overshadow the Sheridan

[lyric copper]

I mean

The C.AVRE isn’t fast

[jade torrent]

Well it's a slow tank

It would be more like a prebuff centurion 7/1 but with a big gun and maybe t10 and if it's in t10 its armor would really mid

[hollow plover]

what is a derp gun and what makes it derp

[misty wing]

short barrel, bad accuracy, high alpha

[hollow plover]

ah, alrighty

[heady current]

is the AMX 13 57 worth it for 5k gold?

[thorny smelt]

Nah. You can buy a tier 8 premium for that price with free camo, 30-day premium, boosters, and 500K credits.

[heady current]

ah ok, so something like the O-47 deal?

[thorny smelt]

Skip that one. Keep your gold for now and keep your eye on some good ones.

[heady current]

ok thank for the advice

[obsidian mirage]

I hope fv215b use thats gun + more longer barrel on his secondary Gun line only use heat and HE but have penetration like regular AP

[obsidian mirage]

Royal Ordnance L9 gun

[scarlet kernel]

I am very tempted to get the amx 13 57

But i must resist, i want that chi nu kai

[sour basin]

I want the cruiser I

[lyric copper]

which is the said 165mm howitzer

[kind nest]

Guys should I get panzer IV or hetzer

[obsidian mirage]

Yes use to destroy bunker,so if add on F215B thats Will be same like Fv183 but more heavy

[lusty flame]

How's the AMX CDC, recommended or not for 6.5k gold

[glossy tapir]

Should I get Is7 or E100

[solemn cedar]

Is-7

[wise moth]

IS-7

[balmy compass]

E 100 can be fun to play around in although the armor isn’t super great for the turret and the lower plate is massive

[violet timber]

STA-1

[fast compass]

The only right answer

[umbral hamlet]

is7

[viscid jackal]

i may be not him but my answer would be the m728

[tulip sundial]

I don’t think they’re bringing it back, it’s a random old tier 2 tank

[vernal sand]

I discovered the Obj. 752 and... tell me what the hell is this. I didn't even understand if it was a progressive reload or I don't know what

[plucky summit]

It just reloads quickly for the 880 alpha it has

[misty wing]

@plucky summit did you ever get to work on that tank concept we were talking about

[plucky summit]

I've been thinking about it, nearly done with the tank itself but it seems drawn too reasonably tbh

I'll post the tank w/o stats

For backstory, I'm not very creative with writing so I just had the thought "One of our employees proposed this idea to the board. Briefly after firing him, we decided to work on it."

[misty wing]

Lmfao

This is usually what wargaming does when they have to make up some BS

[plucky summit]

Give me a couple mins to finish up

@misty wing it is quite heavily inspired by another tank

[misty wing]

Hm, the raised turret ring kinda reminds me of the T-101 or whatever it was called

[scarlet kernel]

I got this from the wotb tankopedia for T57 heavy

It's probably just a matter of time before the 155mm version came

[misty wing]

155mm version was called T58 heavy and had a larger turret, you can look it up

[scarlet kernel]

Yea, found it on reddit

[plucky summit]

T103, but that drawing is inspired by the Pawlack Tank

[misty wing]

Oh yeah I vaguely remember that

[scarlet kernel]

Hold on.. The gun here looks like the new type 71? Or am i trippin?

[plucky summit]

They're just making new Jap heavies

You're trippin, the thickness of the barrel isn't longer like on the T58
wrong tank lol my bad

[scarlet kernel]

I've been looking at both, and no it's not. Imagine if it have 155mm on that thing

The T58 muzzle is a T, and the 71 is more like a Y
And also like what you said

[misty wing]

I feel like that's a pretty common barrel design

[valid gale]

I thought it was fake for the longest time I was proven wrong a wile ago

[violet timber]

You still can’t convince me that it historically had a 150mm belly

[misty wing]

I feel like the majority of wargaming's "fake" tanks actually do have some historical merit, they probably have researchers who have access to documents that we don't

[misty wing]

It didn't, that's just a blitz error. PC has the usual paper-thin belly

[valid gale]

For the Americans it’s mostly the most accurate it’s the Russians they like taking various liberties in and the Germans

[misty wing]

Nah Chinese is definitely the most fake

[violet timber]

“IntRoDuCiNG tHe NeW E1057203 wItH a 896cm CanOn”

[misty wing]

Also I have my doubts about the Italian and Czech heavies from PC being real

[valid gale]

Hell no they aren’t real the Italian T10s are literally MBTS rhinoceronte has a literal CITV sight and unmanned turret

[misty wing]

Is that an M60 they show the concept 1b "inside" of?
In the bottom left pic

[violet timber]

It’s an M60 outline

[valid gale]

It says 60A1 outline

[misty wing]

That's kinda cool
3 crew in the hull though 🤔

[valid gale]

Driver gunner/commander remember theres two hatches by the side of the cannon

[misty wing]

Poor loader alone in the turret

[valid gale]

The concept is a proven one and a really good idea although why the US never chose to focus on it and we got starship Xm803 HSTV is a mystery

Also that’s really memeworthy it’s unmanned but one loader in that space

[violet timber]

I love the starship and all it’s derpy glory

[kindred wren]

The thing with these epic-seeming designs is that they are often impractical, uneconomical or both

[nimble topaz]

what is spall liner ?

[high arrow]

I got the super Hellcat, is there an offer for the DELTA Legendary camo?

[misty wing]

it has a legendary camo?

[past crane]

Oh yeah they’re all totally fake.

At least some of the Japanese heavies have some historical inspiration so they’re like 90% fake instead of 100%.

Y’all talking about Cent AVRE but all I want is the Centaur/Cromwell CS version with the 95mm howitzer.

[civic relic]

isnt 60tp line also mostly fake

[safe tapir]

Is Titan-150 that bad? (Btw this isn't in any game mode)

[solid gate]

For all those that recommended I get the m48 Patton... :DD

[umbral hamlet]

test tank, most probably going to get massive nerfs before release

[molten otter]

any tips on the chinese TD line?

[misty wing]

None of the tanks really play similar except the tier 9 and 10

[molten otter]

should i snipe, they seems to have bad accuracy still at tier 6

[misty wing]

they do but you kinda have to in the tier 6 and 7

[molten otter]

armor seems kinda unreliable

[misty wing]

only the tier 10 has reliable armor, and that's only if you're hulldown against a med/low pen tank that's not using cali

[umbral hamlet]

tier6-7 are definitely meant for that, tier8 is almost a heavy but with decent armor only when hulldown, tier9 has a great gun and tierX is a bit meh, cuz you're paper against even most tier9's prammos, but the gun is still decent (still worse than obj268's)

[misty wing]

tier 10 > tier 9 imo

[umbral hamlet]

tier for tier the 9 is better, especially cuz of tier10 gun, which basically makes tier8-9 butter

[misty wing]

nah the tier 9 is definitely worse, it's super slow, the armor is worse tier for tier, and the gun's reload is stupidly long

[umbral hamlet]

the armor is better tier for tier actually, most tier8 can't pen it even with gold, while the tier10 can easily be penned with heat by tier9s

[misty wing]

that's just not true, the tier 9's front is only like 240-260 effective, which is an easy pen for many tier 8s and every tier 9

the tier 10 goes from around 280-300 effective and you can actually angle it since they buffed the cheeks, making it difficult for meds and some heavies to pen with pramo

a lot of same tier heavies can pen the front of the tier 9 with standard ammo, which really isn't the case for the tier 10

lower plate aside obviously

[nimble topaz]

what does spall liner mean?

[manic carbon]

It’s a special provision that some tanks have. It reduces damage taken by HE shells

[nimble topaz]

k

[proper hawk]

How to get more kills in V.K.30.01 P ?

[lyric copper]

live longer

[proper hawk]

And drive it more efficiently ?

[lusty flame]

Hmm is wotb going on a streak of selling french tanks

[proud tendon]

What do you guys think of Leopard?

[proper hawk]

1 is good but if caught against a KV-1 por STUG III G it would die and I think Panzer V G also would also be able to destroy it

[proud tendon]

Yeah, but it can be countered by using your allies as a distraction, so you can flank the enemy and fire at his sides, also he deals 300+ (Almost the same as T6 Amx Autoloader) so he's pretty great at giving supportive fire

Also it's pretty much useless against T6 Meds/Heavy tanks, so that's a really big disadvantage

[proud tendon]

Also yeah Panzer V G could be able to just bounce him under a angle and attack him when he's reloading

[lusty flame]

What do your think about this bundle?

[thorny smelt]

I'd rather buy it in gold

[lusty flame]

It's turret is crazily armoured

I feel like it's sort of another CDC but in tier 9 plus more armour, CDC is a joy especially bullying turretless Tds

[modest breach]

Could someone give me a SS (screenshot) of CDC's engine? And the name of it

[wise flame]

I miss the 1er proto with 105

[misty wing]

I played one battle in the 30 1er and sold it lol

[elfin meadow]

Could someone please remind me what the first Japanese heavy tier is going to be? I wanna know which tank to use beforehand to get enough xp

[high arrow]

I'll ask again. The Super HellCat has a legendary camo, is it being offered after acquiring the tank from the lockboxes?

[tidal comet]

does anyone play is 8

cous if you have some tips it woud be realy helpful

[humble lotus]

T54e2 is trash

[tidal comet]

what abaut is 8

[thorny smelt]

German engine

[violet timber]

You have a decent turret and a good gun. I think you can see where this is going

[violet timber]

Since we’re all saying false things, you’re good

[lusty flame]

Weirdly but the speed is epic

[wanton cairn]

uhm is chaffee any good

[violet timber]

It’s average

[wanton cairn]

how bout bulldog

[frozen kindle]

heyy I was planning on getting the amx 13 75, wanted to ask you all if it is worth it or not...

[violet timber]

Bulldog is good as long as you can light tank properly. Also the 13 75 is okay, the 13 90 is good, 25t AP is meh, BatChat is good

[wanton cairn]

i cant light tank properly on iphone :<

[frozen kindle]

thanks

[hard cedar]

T10 bc only good tank in the whole line

[violet timber]

Then you may struggle with the bulldog

[frozen kindle]

I really enjoy the whole french lt autoloaders.. hence was asking if the premium was worth it

[balmy compass]

I love the bulldog for its speed maneuverability and quick reload, its fun to just drive around imo, downside is it takes alot of HE and can get 1 shot by SU-152 lol

[violet timber]

The 13 57 is fun, but not exactly good

[lusty flame]

Same story for CDC
Edit: but the gun depression on this thing is crazy

[frozen kindle]

hmm

[violet timber]

CDC gun depression isn’t anything to write home about, especially with its turret

[frozen kindle]

see I am a f2p player, and I only have 5000 gold after 2 years of grinding.. soooooo unless it's stupidly fun, I'd rather not go for it..

[violet timber]

I’d recommend something else than the 13 57

[lusty flame]

Well if u know how to use the peek a boo method then it is very useful

[frozen kindle]

examples?

[violet timber]

The turret is big and made of tissue paper, peel a boo isn’t gonna help you much

[wanton cairn]

my god i just looked at the STG and its ugly as hell

[lusty flame]

Well here in Asia server people are kinda stupid, so I mean it's not that bad as long as you dun poke out too much

[frozen kindle]

😂 it's disgusting

[violet timber]

Chim, Shark, 252

[violet timber]

It’s as bad as it looks.

[lusty flame]

T22 medium in year end auction would be good too but that you got to spend plus snatch it before it's gone

[frozen kindle]

I see

[violet timber]

T22 is power crept at this point

[frozen kindle]

true, it would prob start at 10,000
and the players would easily drive it up to 20,000

sooo guess I'm stuck with my gold till a good deal comes along.. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lusty flame]

Unless they do it like last year the prices go down at the end

[lusty flame]

Well I plan to spend on the 75k gold bundle before the auction IF the auction is going down not up

[hard cedar]

Wotb auctions don't work like actual auctions

[modest breach]

Thx

[pulsar sinew]

That’s an extremely good point

[hard cedar]

I would prefer a normal auction system, people have a bidding period and top 5000 bids win the tank

[pulsar sinew]

Yeah no kidding

They should just post tons of them individually

[hard cedar]

you don't need to post tons of them individually you could do what PC does for auctions

[pulsar sinew]

I haven’t seen that actually. I’ll have to look

[fast compass]

A Dutch auction is one of several similar types of auctions for buying or selling goods. Most commonly, it means an auction in which the auctioneer begins with a high asking price in the case of selling, and lowers it until some participant accepts the price, or it reaches a predetermined reserve price.

Technically we get what's called a dutch auction during December. Tbh I'd prefer not having to bid to get a tank regardless but it is people and their money

[night timber]

is the 13 57 worth it for 5k for a t54 ltwt player

[solid gate]

no

buying prems under tier 8 is scuffed

[balmy compass]

Talk to the smasher lol

[misty wing]

still scuffed

[nimble topaz]

normal battles but we won and most did 0 dmg and no one died LOL

[spark basin]

capturing the base moment

[covert dagger]

True, so it's more for going against other mediums and lights. It can still go against heavies and tank destroyers, but the larger caliber guns will need a slightly different play style and tactics.

[scarlet kernel]

im suprised the TVP can sidescrape and bounce shots really well against tanks with caliber lower than 135mm at least

[violet timber]

Man I love sprocket

[mighty tinsel]

Somua strong.

[misty wing]

nah, it's garbage

[strange thicket]

nah it is decent

[scarlet kernel]

gun yes.
armor stronk

[strange thicket]

the tank is decently mobile for the armor it gets.
but i agree on the gun. why is it so horribly inaccurate? it already got trash DPM.

[violet timber]

The Somua is rather bad

[mighty tinsel]

You did say the armor's decent but everything else is either decent or trash.

The same can be said about the ISU152 if that's the case.

It has an amazing gun, but everything else about it is also decent or trash.

If the Somua is the worst HT in your opinion, the ISU152 is on the same level.

[scarlet kernel]

not a bad tank, just not for everyone.
some people prefer gun
some people prefer armor
somua is for those who prefer armor

[violet timber]

What armor? The Somua’s armor only works against people who can’t aim

[scarlet kernel]

it's tier 8

[violet timber]

I know, and the armor is meh at best

[scarlet kernel]

250 at ground level is already great for tier 8, especially those who haven't saw a somua in a while

combine with the speed and you'll bounce a lot

[violet timber]

Oh no! Anyways

[mighty tinsel]

No one aims there when I play my Somua.

[violet timber]

Also what speed? The Somua has average heavy tank mobility, which isn’t that good

[violet timber]

Then you’re facing a bunch of monke’s because the cupola is so easy to hit because it’s absolutely massive

[mighty tinsel]

It's acceptable.

[scarlet kernel]

oh no a weakspot, just like many other tanks

[kindred wren]

Well, yes but actually no

[violet timber]

It’s a rather large weak spot

[scarlet kernel]

just like many other tanks

[violet timber]

Compare that to an actually good tank, say the Shark, and it’s absolutely massive

[mighty tinsel]

With a huge lfp.

[violet timber]

So you hull down, ez. Also Somua has a large lfp as well

[scarlet kernel]

the shark cant sidescrape as good as the somua

[mighty tinsel]

No, it's smaller.

[scarlet kernel]

again the somua is not the best, but it's not bad

[strange thicket]

ah yes the shark
the totally balanced tier 8
best thing to compare the somua to

[violet timber]

Just shoot the tracks

[scarlet kernel]

use blitzhangar, more than 70 degree

auto richochet

[kindred wren]

The Somua is literally a great tank

[violet timber]

I mean, if we’re going to try and say the Somua is good, we have to compare it to something which is actually good, what would you rather compare it to so that the Somua doesn’t look like the healing pile of garbage it is?

[strange thicket]

somua is balanced in a tier thriving with op tanks.
it is by no means bad, but the gun accuracy really needs to be fixed.
the armor works around corners and in close quarters pretty well.
but it is not made to hull down.

[violet timber]

So it’s not made to do the best tactic in the game for literally any tank, which is hull down. This makes it unviable in over half the maps due to how the maps are set up, which promotes hull down

[scarlet kernel]

shark less than 70, penetration still possible

[strange thicket]

flawless logic, let me compare it to the one of the most OP tanks in the tier. the shark is not just "good" it is literally the best heavy in that tier. (you can debate the t32 may or may not compete with the shark a bit)

[violet timber]

So what are we going to compare it to?

[strange thicket]

oh hulldown is the singular tactic in the game?
guess E100 and the like is trash

[violet timber]

Not singular, but it is absolutely dominant. Making it so the enemy can only hit your turret is a huge advantage

All of the current meta tanks have strong turrets because it just works the best

[strange thicket]

other balanced tier 8s?
it may not be meta but the somua is not bad at all.
unless you literally just try to hull down in it and nothing else

[strange thicket]

didn't say otherwise
using it as a judgement point for tank that is not made for it is just iffy logic regardless of how effective of a tactic it is

[violet timber]

What do you consider balanced tier 8s? I’m just looking for something to compare it to so that you can’t complain when it looks like it is, bad.

[mighty tinsel]

I'll say the IS5.

Or T2020.

[scarlet kernel]

the somua is a playstyle dependand tank
if you can't play it ( @violet timber ) then you wont like it
if you can, you would find it great

[violet timber]

What is the Somua’s play style exactly?

Because I see ten degrees of gun depression and 200mm of frontal turret armor and that screams out “hull down”. Then you see the hatch

[kindred wren]

I would compare the Somua to the M-III-Yoh. Both are strong tanks at tier eight

[mighty tinsel]

Me too.

Somua any day though.

[strange thicket]

IS3, T2020 as the guy said.
M-3-Yoh
IS-6
IS3-Defender
Lowe
just to list a few. and those tanks are totally balanced but not meta at all.
you don't necessarily have to play hull down. you can literally play around corridors and corners, peek a boo and such.
the only thing making it suffer much is the gun accuracy which is atrocious for no reason.

[violet timber]

It also has an insanely long clip reload, which forces you to sit out of the fight for 23 seconds

[mighty tinsel]

IS3 Defender has about the same.

[strange thicket]

i would say you could tune the gun a bit for the tank but that is about it.
although i fear giving it competitive DPM is not a good idea

[kindred wren]

I find
Strong frontal hull + strong turret face + good mobility + autoloader a pretty good reason

[scarlet kernel]

being a heavy that could reliably bounce shot and use your armor and HP to help your team.

basically probably almost the same as maus, not doing a ton of damage

[violet timber]

I picked the Yoh and IS-3D just because they also had auto loaders so they were the most similar

[strange thicket]

yes but it basically has 1880
the gun accuracy has no business being this bad.
i guess you could say one of them has to stay and the other has to be buffed

[violet timber]

I’d personally take the Yoh just because of the gun and turret combination, though I could see why you’d prefer the Somua to the IS-3D

[kindred wren]

The Somua SM is not a tanker, as an autoloader it is naturally a damage dealer, and due to the armour and low dpm it is a supportive heavy tank

I just want to say that the gun handling isn‘t even that bad

[strange thicket]

never said otherwise
buffing the accuracy does not magically change its role in the battle.
also would totally not take the Yoh over the somua

[violet timber]

The Somua is just let down by a massive weak spot that it can’t hide if it wants to deal damage, bad accuracy (because weegee says so), and a long clip reload

[mighty tinsel]

At least it's not bad as Russian 122mms.

[strange thicket]

no no it is very horrible
i was kinda disappointed that i got the tank out of the snow globe but i grew to like it.
i still despise its gun handling

[kindred wren]

I usually don‘t say „let down“, but „balanced“

[violet timber]

🤷‍♂️ It just doesn’t work well with a more aggressive play style I guess

[kindred wren]

I also want to point out that especially for average or below average players the Somua SM is a great combination of burst damage and armour, making playing it effectively fairly easy

[kindred wren]

I honestly doubt that, the tank is perfectly suited for aggressive playing. You shouldn‘t try to linger around and block damage though

[violet timber]

The clip reload kind of kills any sort of aggressiveness you can have though

[mighty tinsel]

Every other autoloader also have a long clip reload.

[kindred wren]

On,y if you are alone. Also, you can use the reload time to reposition or plan your next move; there is no need to sit around in the same location waiting for the reload to finish

[violet timber]

23 seconds is a lot of time, compared to the average of around 20 at tier 8. Also, 3 second interclip

[strange thicket]

my thoughts are the accuracy is what kills the aggressive potential of it.
i wanna be able to effectively put my shots but with that dispersion and aim time it is difficult though i have to say it is still perfectly doable

[mighty tinsel]

3 secs more, big deal.

[violet timber]

3 seconds adds up over time, as well as the 3 second interclip

[plucky summit]

Oh boy I love taking 29 seconds to do 930 damage

[violet timber]

Don’t forget that hatch you have to expose to actually shoot, and that you have to sit still to aim which lets the enemy aim at your hatch

[kindred wren]

No, you don‘t

It‘s perfectly possible to aim while in cover and to slowly peek

[mighty tinsel]

That's what I do.

[kindred wren]

Aside from that, you have your intraclip anyways which will have you aimed in enough anyways

[scarlet kernel]

not sure why kept focusing on the weakspot? the whole turret is weaker than the hull

hence you should bait shots on the hull more

[plucky summit]

Just got big boss on AT 7 10 shot :)

[violet timber]

Oh no

[plucky summit]

:)

[violet timber]

Oh that poor enemy team

[wanton cairn]

how do i properly play chaffee and bulldog, i always seem to die even if i run cuz im not fast enough

[misty wing]

you all are way too nice to tanks lol

the somua is below average at best

[violet timber]

Don't push up too far, make sure you can always run somewhere where you have cover

[wanton cairn]

what if there’s literally nobody supporting me
and all the enemy lights and meds chase me till the end

[violet timber]

Then go to somewhere you have support

[wanton cairn]

so…heavy side? @violet timber

[violet timber]

Depends on where your team goes

[strange thicket]

nobody is being too nice
it is a matter of a fact that the somua is balanced
but that is what most people consider "below average" nowadays. since it isn't a t32 or a shark :P

[misty wing]

it's not balanced, it's too weak

balanced is different from "not OP"

[strange thicket]

your reasons?

[misty wing]

it has almost no advantages aside from having a clip and some armor, but neither of those are strong enough to balance out the weaknesses that it has, namely the huge cupola, horrible gun handling, and horrible DPM and reload

[strange thicket]

you ignore that it is decently mobile
has great traverse
the armor is far from weak rofl
the gun is justifiable besides aim time.
armor and mobility combo with a clip. it is balanced. perhaps your standards are too high?

[misty wing]

having high standards is normal, especially when you're looking at a premium
it's not fun to play nor does it ever work against decent players

if you think the somua's gun is justifiable then idk what to say
perhaps your standards are too low

[strange thicket]

as for the first statement. it is the shark point all over again. it isn't OP and is a premium therefore trash. god forbid we have balanced premiums.
as to not fun to play? subjective.
doesn't work against decent players? ehhh disagree.

[misty wing]

it's not OP but it can be better without being OP

[strange thicket]

it is justifiable
besides the accuracy. again.

[strange thicket]

now that i agree on, i mostly wish for a gun handling buff

[misty wing]

this is why I only play tier 10, because tanks aren't as incredibly scuffed as they are in tier 8

too many tier 7-9 tanks try to have a really high alpha, clip, pen, or something along those lines
and then they have to give up tons of gun handling or something to have it

[strange thicket]

that is really wargaming's fault.
it is the most profitable tier for a reason, most premiums are very outstanding for no reason but profit

[misty wing]

my opinion is that if a tank can benefit from a buff without instantly shooting to the top of the meta, then it is in fact too weak

and by that I obviously mean a noticeable buff, not +2 kmh top speed or something

[strange thicket]

that is simply false
there are degrees to tank states, call it a spectrum if you wish.
but tanks aren't categorized into trash, balanced and OP only.

[misty wing]

well if the spectrum consists of the numbers 1-10 then I believe the somua falls below 5, and therefore is too weak

[strange thicket]

that is but your opinion
it is in fact doing pretty well.

[misty wing]

and according to that the KV-5 is the best tank?

[strange thicket]

i see no reason to call it too weak.
it benefitting from a gun handling buff without being broken doesn't mark it as below average either

[strange thicket]

if you choose to ignore tank characteristics sure (notice that is relative WR)
but to make a judgement on a tank you take in mind a mix of data and tank characteristics

[misty wing]

I'm gonna judge based on my experience playing and fighting the tank

[strange thicket]

oh then if we are doing that i must say, somua is an absolute banger of a tank.
see how flawed that is?

[misty wing]

it's flawed because that's probably cap

[misty wing]

this is roughly how I would rank the tier 8 heavies, somua is pretty meh among them

[strange thicket]

wh-
i can point out some very apparent flaws. but it is based on your opinion so fair enough

[misty wing]

granted a lot of those tanks have changed since I last played them (and some I haven't played at all)

and ngl I don't enjoy any of them except the shark
gun handling in tier 8 is just too poor across the board for my taste

On a side note, I think someone screwed up the tanks.gg page
see if you can spot what happened lul

[strange thicket]

yup, you are definitely biased and have too high of a standard for tier 8s
to start off, Sheriff > Action x. and i don't think i need to explain why.
lowe is3 defender in the same rank with glacial? really?
EXP is by no means bad, but admittedly it is not too great either.
1951 Viking in the same rank as AMX 50 100 🤔 ?
t32 not OP?
i just heavily disagree with the list.

[misty wing]

ngl the action x vs sheriff placement was a mistake

[strange thicket]

tank names or what. i am not too experienced with tier 10s in WoT

[misty wing]

they just translated a bunch of things, like Maus -> mouse and Kranvagn -> crane truck

[strange thicket]

yeah lol

[misty wing]

idk why lol

[strange thicket]

i think that is just what the player base calls them
but i don't see a cheese wedge(swedish TDs) so i might be wrong.

[misty wing]

"rheinmetall armored car" moment

[strange thicket]

lol, flip wagon

[misty wing]

I can move the T32 up to very good, but I don't think it's OP

I've never played the 50 100 but the emil 1951 feels pretty bad imo, probably my most regrettable purchase in this game. It feels kinda like the somua but I gave it one higher tier for its better dpm and smaller profile

I think the fact that most tanks ended up in the middle tier makes my list automatically better than droodles' anyhow

[strange thicket]

personally i would heavily avoid both lists, no harsh feelings.

[hard cedar]

Thank you for your input!

[strange thicket]

looks like someone has put some of his though. :P

[misty wing]

I tried to tier every tier 8 but got kinda lazy and started putting everything in average lmao

if the list was based purely off my opinion I would put everything into garbage tier

[strange thicket]

ehh fair enough

[misty wing]

to me every tier 8 feels unfun and hard to carry in compared to tier 10

[strange thicket]

a product of the state of balance the tier is in.
tier 10 is easily the most balanced(some say tier 9 is more balanced) and fun to play.

[misty wing]

even if tier 10 was unbalanced it would still be the most fun because you're never bottom tier

[hollow notch]

Just play a tank that's fine bottom tier (eg is8)

[strange thicket]

being bottom tier is not necessarily unfun, i just don't enjoy tier 9 as much because most tanks don't feel as fleshed out as the tier 10s, or i sometimes just prefer the tier 10 over the tier 9

[strange thicket]

haven't they nerfed its mobility?

[hollow notch]

Oh no
I forgor 💀

At least it still is decently mobile with that juicy gun

[strange thicket]

having played the tank before the nerf i am just generally displeased ngl, feels very sluggish compared to its former glory. but it can still hit the 40s at least.

[misty wing]

I feel like heavies in general are difficult to balance because they can be very oppressive when top tier but absolutely useless when bottom tier

at least heavies that are supposed to play the "heavy" role
it's different for autoloaders and unorthodox heavies

[hollow notch]

Yup, unless they have weakpoints. The vk100 is a absolute beast but can still be dealt with by low tier tanks.
The black prince style tanks are ones what just wipe out anything of lower tier

[strange thicket]

tier 9 is especially tricky because it sees tier 8s
look at centurion 7/1 when it faces tier 8s.
doom gameplay

[hollow notch]

Meh
That was pre nerf charioteer seeing tier 7s

The 7/1 is at least giant and poorly armored
E75s are nasty to play against as t8s

[misty wing]

I remember being kinda underwhelmed by the IS-8 as well, wish they would update it to the T-10 with PBR and a slight buff to something

[strange thicket]

not after the turret buff
and it also received a mobility buff. it is absolutely delightful to play now
oh god E75, yup the crown definitely goes to that.

[hollow notch]

The hull is still giant and poorly armored
It's very easy to poke a little farther than the 71 was expecting and slap it in the hull

[strange thicket]

well, yes that is very true

[scarlet kernel]

look at this T-100 LT
shoot the top part of the hull in full depression hulldown and you bounce AP and APCR rounds

[scarlet kernel]

richochet armor best armor
Ho-Ri prammo

[misty wing]

Your point being?

[lusty flame]

Just a question is AMX 30 1er Prototype like the CDC?

Cuz I am trying to get someone that has it to give their opinion

[scarlet kernel]

now imagine a tank with minimal 70mm armor, front is angled like the prog and the bottom plate is also a richochet angle, the sides are angled like the t22 medium.

and the turret are in the back, the turret looks like it takes inspiration from the STRV-103 without bottom plate and with 70mm of armor infront, and 120mm in the side

new tier X collector halloween heavy tank

[solid gate]

no

amx 30 is miles better because of the shorter and sleeker profile, plus the fact it has some turret armor

cdc is just a pinata

[inland steeple]

wz-111 or wz-112-2? and why?

[lusty flame]

O

I guess it's fine since I have a trusty old 121b

[solid gate]

WZ-112-2

much better armor and much better reverse speed

[cosmic stag]

112-2

[inland steeple]

um no, amx 30er is an extremely strong tank if you use it right, insane mobility, and gun handling, decent alpha, works hulldown. its my favourite tank though so

[cosmic stag]

true

[cosmic stag]

u should play tier 9 vickers

ıf u dont need credits

[inland steeple]

does it play similar to the amx?

[cosmic stag]

good dpm and alpha, vickers most strong tank in tier 9 medium

and amx's penetration garbage,

[mortal saffron]

but um, there's also centurion, wz and tvp
not the strongest even if you consider vickers a medium which it aint

[cosmic stag]

suit yourself

u should look object3 stats 🙂

this is just in my opinion

[lusty flame]

Ok. TDs can still pen ur turret right

[mortal saffron]

object 3?

[cosmic stag]

he is youtuber

[regal fiber]

OMG YES

Is this tank good?

[umbral hamlet]

he's probably the best player in blitz by all time stats (talking about random only, not tournaments partecipation)

[umbral hamlet]

yes, just play hulldown and it should be fine

[regal fiber]

Ok

[regal fiber]

Anything i should be worried about?

[umbral hamlet]

always keep wiggling, the turret cheecks are weak, also the mobility it's not the best, so don't push too aggressively because u won't be able to fall back

[regal fiber]

I see

Big Lower plate

[misty wing]

Doesn't really matter when the upper plate is already so weak

[lusty flame]

Oh lol Emil 1951 plus somua sm cost 17K GOLD

[umbral hamlet]

actually the major problems are the cupola and the cheecks on the sides of the gun mantlet

[nimble topaz]

yes...

[regal fiber]

I havent got hit in the cupola yet

[umbral hamlet]

doesn't mean it won't happen

[regal fiber]

From my experience so far in the m60, its like a heavy

good upper plate, crap sides, stronk turret, amazing dpm and meh pen

[bitter crystal]

guys im near to buying the t32 any tips on how to use it?

[misty wing]

Hull down

[boreal shell]

It’s like the e50m. heavyish, but can’t play like one

[violet timber]

Not really, it’s like the M48

[shell robin]

an improvement of the M48 plays like the M48 who would've thought

[violet timber]

🤷‍♂️ just pointing out how it doesn’t play like the E50M because nothing else plays like the E50M can

[fast compass]

E50M plays like an E50M

[violet timber]

Exactly

[charred vigil]

there would be no room for any crew and therefore the tank would be useless

Not to mention if a taller tank just shoots down, the armor turns to mush

[radiant ember]

Guys i got a question what is better to grinde Jg. PZ. E100 or the VK 72.01 K (If Jg. PZ E100 which tier 8 JPanther 2 or Ferdinand)

[tranquil wigeon]

Is the Vickers worth it?

[scarlet kernel]

But what if it's the size of a maus

[stuck zinc]

@radiant ember . Well dude is up to you, if you want good mobility and Fire rate you can Jpanther2 but if you want thick armor but Slow you can choose Ferdinand. Well just some issues with those tank up there. They have one Rival it was ISU-152 + BL-10 and LT/MT of course 😄😄. I wish you luck for your choice Comrade

[fast compass]

Yes

[solid gate]

VK72 is better, jag is just a big box that gets penetrated every time because you always have to expose your weakspots before you fire and the they remain exposed even after you start to pull back behind cover

vk 72 can actually block stuff fairly reliably

[wintry orchid]

Vk is bad get jg e100 you just gotta angle @radiant ember

[scarlet kernel]

But jagd is more fun

[balmy compass]

I agree jageroo is alot of fun to play around in

[balmy compass]

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[tranquil wigeon]

😐

[tranquil wigeon]

Thanks.

[calm drum]

SchwarzBaron#9960 was banned

[solid gate]

“just angle” meanwhile you have large drive sprockets that anyone can track you with, a massive lower plate, not to mention the superstructure cheeks that are an autopen to virtually anything loading gold