vehicles-discussion

[misty wing]

The lower plate should stay a no-pen zone imo, it's what defines the tank

[onyx sluice]

So you mean only the range finder should be a weak spot for standard ammo and for turret face you need gold?

If the range finder was the size of the one on the Foch 155 I would agree but its way too small, the tank is too mobile for its armor.

[fast compass]

Rangefinder should actually be a hitbox where you can do dmg to the tank

[misty wing]

I think you might be overrating the mobility a little bit, I've spectated a few and it looks extremely slow

But yeah they should increase the rangefinder hitbox a little bit

[fast compass]

Not the fastest but it certainly is quite fast for being virtually unpennable frontally for meds with cs

[misty wing]

what are you on? tanks.gg shows 340 lfp for PC

unless you're saying on blitz it has 340 base and more than that effective

[lyric copper]

hmm

well the cupola on PC is more balanced

[misty wing]

yeah iirc they nerfed it a few patches after release

[lyric copper]

still, the fact that you will need CS HEAT and the V4 to not be using e.armour to be able to pen him is absurd

This tank destroyed the PC meta for a few months

it also actively goes against what Blitz is about: faster games

[misty wing]

calibrated shells and enhanced armor were a mistake imo

[misty wing]

well then the fact that they nerfed the mobility also goes against what blitz is about

[lyric copper]

the fact that a V4 barely has to aim to pen, while you have to aim carefully at its cupola is also absurd

it’s like an E3 but faster, and more alpha

@misty wing bunker tanks don’t help the speed of the game

that’s the problem: bunker tanks

[misty wing]

the "more alpha" part needs to go
idk why they did that

[lyric copper]

worse is bunker tanks with speed

[onyx sluice]

Its armor is stronger than Maus, its absurdly fast for its armor and has a absurdly good gun.

[misty wing]

give it 560 alpha with the same reload and gun handling
nerf the turret face and rangefinder
buff the mobility to what it is on PC
imo

[lyric copper]

even nerfing the cupola doesn’t help

you still have to aim carefully

while it doesn’t

[onyx sluice]

You can either have armor or you can have speed, you can't have both.
And the gun needs to be toned down a lot.

[lyric copper]

if you wanna see something sad, compare the normal 268 to the V4

both are firing AP

V4 will always win a head on 1v1

[misty wing]

why doesn't it have to aim? it only has like 260 standard pen and 330 premium

You even have to aim when firing ho ri premium at most heavies

[lyric copper]

or better, E3 vs V4

one has to aim at a small weakspot

The other gets an entire lower plate

amazing balance

this and the C1B

if they aren’t nerfed, it will be the beginning of the end of the actually quite balanced tier X meta

except for the 60TP

[misty wing]

e50m has both armor and speed

[lyric copper]

Isn’t its DPM still bad?

also it apparently will be getting PBR soon

which judging from the PC model will make the turret front worse profile wise

[misty wing]

not really?

[lyric copper]

it has armour, but weakspots

it has speed, but accelerates slow

It also doesn’t have sandbag armour or reactive

[misty wing]

accelerates slow
laughs in faster than patton and stb

[lyric copper]

god I need to actually read patch notes

but still, actual, hittable weakspots

[misty wing]

whoops didn't get the tank names
but it's the same as my earlier screenshot so you get the idea

[onyx sluice]

Not really.

[lyric copper]

and at least in PC the maps are big enough for better players to exploit the V4’s weaknesses

[strange thicket]

the concept is way better than the sconq

[past fractal]

But the v4 can also use the bigger maps to its advantage

[misty wing]

Are you guys under the impression that I think the v4 isn't OP? Because that's not true
I only think it should be rebalanced in a way that isn't drastically nerfing the armor

[misty wing]

don't care, it looks stupidly boring to play

[strange thicket]

that doesn't change the fact that it is stupidly op.
but yes the hulldown heavy playstyle isn't exactly special

[misty wing]

Did I say that it isn't OP? I was just replying to a guy saying he wanted the concept with my own contrasting opinion

[strange thicket]

yes really? have you seen the recent buff?

[misty wing]

strangely enough, there are very few OP tanks that I actually want. Most look really ugly or don't fit my playstyle

[plucky summit]

T-2020

[misty wing]

I'm the guy that bought stg instead of chimera

[onyx sluice]

I see a huge lower plate and a turret that can be penned.

[plucky summit]

Yeah but that doesn’t beat me spending $50 for T-2020 and liking it 😳

[strange thicket]

hulldown?
it has got armor, but with weakspots. which is logical for oh i dunno, balance?
you can now just bully meds.

[plucky summit]

Firstly for cheesy flexes, but later to defend it’s right as a not trash tank

[strange thicket]

i mean after the buff it is no longer the bottom of IS clones

[plucky summit]

Aw come on, at least over IS-2Sh :(

[misty wing]

wz-111 ;-;

[strange thicket]

ah is-2sh
poor thing

[plucky summit]

I’ll teach you how to bounce 70% of enemy shots than 50

[misty wing]

t-2020 looks cool ngl

[plucky summit]

First reason I bought it lol, but people got angry that T-2020 was too difficult to use

[strange thicket]

now that is just lying, thing was depressing on release.

[plucky summit]

It’s a tank that benefits a lot from any movement

[strange thicket]

eh, dunno. i didn't really care a lot about the whining when it was released.
but it was funny to go up against it

[plucky summit]

It has this gimmick where in very specific terrains, it can hide the lower plate, angle the upper plate upwards, and use gun depression

[misty wing]

can't any tank do that

[plucky summit]

Also it performs well in a facehug against HEAT tanks. Because trying to hit cupolas without being able to see them is dodgy

IS-7’s gun is too close to the pike
IS-5’s gun is too close to the pike
IS-3’s UFP is too thin
252 doesn’t need to, other than to hide the cupolas, hiding it's LFP is a task in its own right

[misty wing]

what about the wz-112-2

what

[plucky summit]

It’s not really an IS clone, though mocking IS-3’s turret

I’d say any pike nose actually, so IS-2Sh is out by that means, leaving WZ-111 under

[misty wing]

wz-112-2 is actually the kirovets-1 from wot PC, which is an early IS-3 prototype

https://tanks.gg/tank/kirovets-1/stats?vm=visual

[plucky summit]

I’m talking about pikes anyways…

[humble escarp]

What is that-

[charred vigil]

One of the is3 prototypes proposed

[humble escarp]

Boi, that Looks better

[plucky summit]

It is

[misty wing]

is the su-130pm just a wg made up version of the su-152p

[plucky summit]

Perhapsn’t

[misty wing]

v4 bad
pls buff

The armor is too bad, I can pen it with a ho-ri

[blissful igloo]

I can pen with a tier 8

[plucky summit]

Tier 5s can pen it 💀💀💀

[woven ravine]

Under equipment for cent 1 tier 8 British mediums you cant see the AVG speed under engine accelerator

[solid gate]

Why T34-2 feels better to play than T34-3 from Chinese mediums ?

[strange thicket]

it doesn't
the t-34-4 is better

[solid gate]

T-34-2 has better engine and mobility somehow

[strange thicket]

no, it was nerfed a couple of updates ago

[solid gate]

Ok that explains a lot got it from mystery box and it feels like driving heavy without armour.

[hard cedar]

t 34 2 smaller profile
and the nerf was only on the stock gun iirc

[charred vigil]

in the future the 122 tm will probably outclass the t-34-3 and -2

[misty wing]

What about the stg

[boreal spruce]

1 second of aimtime go brrrr

[hard cedar]

Stg bad

[strange thicket]

and the engine i think

[spice sphinx]

M46 patton should be a tier 8 not tier 9 because it’s durability and rate of fire for a medium is pretty low it’s hard to get a bounce off to

Although it’s supposed to be used as a support tank it’s not as great as other medium tier 9 tanks

[violet timber]

It’s pretty mobile and has a lovely gun, the armor is the only real issue with it, it’s fine as a tier 9

[solid gate]

Ok so uhhhh

[violet timber]

What gun is that lol? Looks like it’d tear apart the turret if it fired

[solid gate]

AX

Maybe i should scale the gun again lmao
Or increase turret armor

[violet timber]

That is not an AX gun lol, it looks like a 120. The AX doesn’t have a bore exacuator

[solid gate]

Nah it's AX gun tech tree from wot pc

[misty wing]

any bets on what tier 10 will get PBR after the 183?

[violet timber]

Besides, a bore evacuator isn’t needed in this case, it’s an open top turret

[misty wing]

it does look like the centurion AX gun from PC, yeah. With the tape stuff wrapped about the barrel

[boreal spruce]

we have had a swede
german
russian
american

japanese of chinese next?

[violet timber]

Ah, Cent AX makes sense

[misty wing]

STB PBR would be pog

[violet timber]

My guess is the 50B

[misty wing]

honestly I think the 268 or E50M are good candidates as well
since those ones will likely change the armor profile

[boreal spruce]

i was thinking it would be cool if they did all the french tier 10, but it is a lot of work. ....

[misty wing]

wait the concept 1B is a tier 9 on PC? wtf

[boreal spruce]

its a very nice tank on PC,
its a stronk tank on blitz

[misty wing]

you mean it's stupid OP on blitz

[boreal spruce]

i think WG calls it "balanced"

[misty wing]

wonder if the t-22 armor would get better or worse with PBR

[solid gate]

Prepare for better hope for worse i gues

[misty wing]

I feel like it would be worse, since the t-22 doesn't have the same reputation on PC as it does on blitz

[misty wing]

@lyric copper >you have to aim carefully while it doesn't

[lyric copper]

yes only 1 short clip disproves my point

[misty wing]

It's a joke but you were still exaggerating a fair bit with that point, you need to aim carefully with every tank, even the Ho-ri, if you don't want to bounce random shots

[lyric copper]

the generalisation is that it barely has to put effort into shooting you

plus

I think having to bait him to bounce means making a concentrated effort to make him do so

meanwhile all he does is turn

[misty wing]

It seems like the turret cheeks are very weak though, even if it gives you a slight angle you can pen it

[lyric copper]

which means having to go around him

which the V4 driver will attempt to not let you have

plus he is the literal last man standing

this thing with any team that knows the basics of shooting and staying alive will be deadly

[misty wing]

You really don't have to go completely around
Any good v4 driver is gonna wiggle a bit, and from there it's just a little bit of patience and timing to get the shot
If they don't wiggle they run the risk of being shot in the rangefinder, or being pramo'd straight through the turret face

[lyric copper]

name the mediums that can do that- prammo through face

[misty wing]

I honestly don't think the armor is that far off from being balanced, -10 or 20mm from literally any of the zones and it's fine

[lyric copper]

this thing is an E3 with more mobility

shouldn’t this be bad?

[misty wing]

It should be, but that hasn't been the case from my dozen or so battles playing with them

The problem is more with the gun than the armor

[misty wing]

Pramo through face from heavies and TDs I mean

[lyric copper]

that’s a small sample size

can’t be helped tho

alpha at 690 is physically wrong I agree

[lyric copper]

weird how only heavies and TDs can do it

[misty wing]

Weird how all the players I've seen have pushed it to heavy side then

[lyric copper]

the cupola is smaller than the PC version, it has better armour, it gets damage reduction consumable, and it gets better health

which means you can run E. Armour

which means CS Heavies will struggle a little

[misty wing]

Actually I saw one guy try to camp in it and he finished with 0 damage, lol

Wdym better health, it has 1950 in blitz and 2000 in PC

Oh yeah super consumables and provisions have got to go, but that isn't a problem exclusive to the v4

[valid gale]

Sandbags

[lyric copper]

ratio for game

damage reduction+ sandbags= better effective HP

[misty wing]

Also where do you get this about the rangefinder being smaller in blitz?

[lyric copper]

by looking at both models?

[misty wing]

It looks the same to me and it should be the same

[lyric copper]

the entire top half in blitz is spaced and doesn’t count as main armour

On PC it is counted as actual armour, similar to the 268’s cupola

[solid gate]

So how's the new tiger I

[slate wren]

what is happening are they arguing about the obj 268 v4?

[lyric copper]

and you’re fine with a tank with a 330 effective lower plate?

[slate wren]

seems pretty balanced to me the gun is complete sh

[misty wing]

I would be fine with it if the gun was worse
I'm more mad that they buffed the rear armor so it can't be as easily HE'd

[slate wren]

really think your going to be hitting anything with that gun? your a td yet you got heavy armour and a garbo gun dunno why this tank is a thing

[thorny smelt]

Why are you complaining about it? Do you want it to be broken?

[lyric copper]

how does a bad gun justify a 330 eff lower plate

it has armour to get close

the only pennable spot frontally for most tanks is the cupola

which is smaller than its PC counterpart

[valid gale]

It’s not slow has ridiculous health and has the highest 150mm alpha now

[misty wing]

everything the blitz version has over the PC version is countered by the reduced mobility and the fact that the turret cheeks are nerfed from 220 down to like 120 or something

[lyric copper]

god forbid you equip CS and RG on this tank

@misty wing at least the PC version has a weaker lower lower plate

[slate wren]

just to put in to perspective how bad the dispersion is its the second worst dispersion at tier x right after the 183

[violet timber]

“Reduced mobility” Still has mobility comparable to some meds

[misty wing]

naaaaah the mobility is not even close to real meds

[valid gale]

Right yet this thing again has more health is far faster than the 183 and can access ERA

[slate wren]

hm lemme see the stats real quick all i know is its gun is complete dog

[lyric copper]

assuming that the Armour Inspector given stats are accurate and based on non equipment

this thing may be innacurate, but who needs accuracy at close range

[misty wing]

the gun isn't complete dog and that's a problem, because it's supposed to be the tank's weakness

[valid gale]

I mean they nerfed the 263s accuracy and buffed the frontal armor and they just replaced that with this thing in testing now

[misty wing]

they're not replacing the 263 in blitz as far as I'm aware

[violet timber]

It’s ridiculously strong

[lyric copper]

I’d rather a slow bunker with a good gun

at least then fast tanks can counter it

not until WG decide to add funni speed boost

sorta what the E3 was

but oh wait it had a lower plate that could be penned

unlike V4 over here

[misty wing]

Nah the game needs more variety, and there are very few tanks that sacrifice firepower to have more armor + mobility
The e50m is the only other one in high tier as far as I'm aware

[slate wren]

the 263 got like 4 degrees of gun depression meaning a little bump on the floor will make your gun go weee

[thorny smelt]

Object 268 v4 is Object 263 with 15 cm gun. I'd rather have bad accuracy (but I'm good at sniping) in exchange for a good armor. Not a broken tank.

[lyric copper]

but not like this

if variety to you means armour+ speed

there are many tanks that fit the category

Mostly hulldown tanks with good turrets

or the IS-7

Or the 60TP

take your pick

[misty wing]

If you think the IS-7 and 60tp are fast then you really need some higher standards

[fast compass]

Being completely invulnerable frontally with a hard hitting gun letting it play assault is pretty dang broken. Inb4 "just aim"

[lyric copper]

60TPs pretty quick for an E100 replacement

IS-7 is fast for a heavy with its armour

oh and it’s 70tons

horrid accel is prob why

[shell robin]

afaik, most of the tanks that sacrifice firepower for more armor or mobility are low to mid tiers. The infantry tanks are a half example of this, since they are slow and not really well armed, they're nigh impenetrable if played right. I think another close example is the maus.

[slate wren]

hm u sure about that? it got 0.45 dispersion and 2.5 second aiming time with really pitiful pen with standard pen of only 253 base and gold of 330 heat which is just pathetic for a td

[slate wren]

is7 just need a side amour nerf literally a black hole

[misty wing]

I meant sacrificing firepower for having both armor and mobility at the same time

[lyric copper]

ofc who knows, maybe this tank won’t be so cracked on release due to nature of teams

but it’s just the FACT that a 330mm effective LOWER PLATE and 690 ALPHA will be in the game

[thorny smelt]

Dream HARDER! LOL. But seriously, it will break the game if everybody gets that tank. I'm fine with 60TP being like that as the new IS-7 (fragile ammo rack). I can aim and pen its cupola like I do with Tiger II and E 75 like it's nothing 😎

[misty wing]

I think the v4 is overpowered but very close to not being overpowered
like a decent nerf to just one of its major parameters is enough

[lyric copper]

”just aim better lolololol”

@shell robin make sure you’re not in a medium

if you are, fight in unequal terms

[shell robin]

i haven't fought a V4 before

[fast compass]

Needs a lower plate nerf. Then we can look at its performance again

[thorny smelt]

Trash accuracy is one of them

[misty wing]

On a different note
wtf is this abomination

[slate wren]

it wont as with that little pen you will need to load gold to pen anything at all combined with that pitiful dispersion your just going to miss it also encourage a front line playstyle like the e3 except that e3 is a real bunker and the obj 268 v4 is not

[violet timber]

K-91-PT

[thorny smelt]

Versatile tank destroyers usually have weaker armor than Frontline tank destroyers.

[shell robin]

K-91 td version.

@lyric copper well, i'm screwed then.

[misty wing]

It looks like the k-91 and bobject had a baby

[slate wren]

e3 is the only front line td as far as i can see as every other tank just don't have enough armor nor hit point to be able to trade or tank

[thorny smelt]

I forgot if it has a cupola or not. If it has, I could just shoot it.

[subtle dock]

T26 Sherman when

[lyric copper]

no joke MTs can only pen frontally if certain criteria are met

They are:

Do you have CS?
Do you have at HEAT?
Do you have at least 330 pen with that CS HEAT?
Does the V4 not have Enhanced Armour equipped?
Is the V4 and you on flat ground, looking directly at each other?

If all answers are yes, you can pen the lower plate of the V4 with CS HEAT

all the while he slams you for 690

or you aim for cupola

he still slams you tho

[slate wren]

it dose and the cupola is 350mm thick with spaced armour it dose have some small sides but good luck penning that

[misty wing]

ehh a lot of mediums are more than capable of getting a lucky bounce on the v4's AP

[shell robin]

my STB's got heat and cs, and it's exactly 330 pen.

[fast compass]

Even if you have 330 heat on meds. That lower plate is a 50-50 chance of penning

[thorny smelt]

Frick. Another broken tank in the game.

[lyric copper]

so? The Leopard 1 can get troll bounces from 183s AP

still doesn’t change the fact you have to put significantly more effort into damaging him then he does tryna damage you

[slate wren]

its always been like that but good luck with stock t95 and t28 and the fully equipped one

[shell robin]

so we are getting another broken tank? and it's russian?

I think you can already piece together what broken tank I want next.

[slate wren]

if some random leopard1 ended up infront of a 183 the 183 will just yeet a hesh

[misty wing]

concept 1b way more broken

[lyric copper]

oh god never

we are not adding mr funni

@misty wing agreed, but this is still a cause for concern

@slate wren it’s just an example of how even the most lightly armoured tier X med can troll bounce

[misty wing]

how many times have you actually fought a v4?

[slate wren]

yup making the e5 obsolete even the old e5 would cry at how over powered the concept 1b would be it have a chance of being even better then the amx m4 54

[shell robin]

what's a tank in game with 600 alpha?

[misty wing]

60tp

[thorny smelt]

Well... I'm grinding for both Object 268 v4 and Grille 15 on PC

[lyric copper]

as it looks rn it is better

no turret weakspots

gg wg

hulldown meta very comidi

[fast compass]

Conway

[slate wren]

rare but no good player in their right mind would cross an opening with a bush where the td can hide on the other side

[lyric copper]

the problem is the concept of 330 eff lfp

not the execution in game

[shell robin]

ty. i probably could've just ask, but i'm trying to figure out if there's a certain percentage of damage reduction between prammo and regular ammo?

[lyric copper]

in game, you can’t really avoid a 40% wallet warrior yoloing in his new V4

in theory, the 330 eff LFP is bad news, which it is. Most people are complaining about that, and not how the testers play it

[fast compass]

Around 15-20%? I am not sure. But usually that's the range unless it's some special gun

[shell robin]

wdym special gun? like smasher and anni?

[fast compass]

Hori, foch, hesh guns

[slate wren]

no not really for example the gold round on the su100y dose more damage then the standard shell at the cost of less pen or the ho ri which its gold damage difference is only -15

[fast compass]

"special guns"

[misty wing]

concept of 330mm lower plate is absolutely fine, no one said it has to be a weakspot for every tank

[shell robin]

hesh, I can understand, but what's so special about hori and foch?

[misty wing]

Idk, but Ho-Ri has only 15 less damage on its premium AP for no reason
15 points of damage, not 15%

[fast compass]

-15 alpha on prammo. Some weird stuff wg does

[shell robin]

i'm looking at some of these high alpha tier 9s and 10s, and it looks like they loose almost a hundred damage just for a different shell

[slate wren]

for that reason ho ri is jacked as fck as it basically dont loose alpha but instantly obtain the ability to bleach enemy's armour and make them white (if you know what i mean)

[shell robin]

i wish I didn't

[fast compass]

All tanks should have some meaningful weakspots in the front. Lower plates at the very least. 330mm being your weakest spot frontally is simply a bad balancing decision.

[lyric copper]

nah, it’s the lower lower plate in worked up about

on PC that’s a weakspot

here it isn’t

[slate wren]

na they already made the gun sh at least give it armour or else it would be usless

[lyric copper]

2 simple changes:

Make lower lower plate pennable

make damage area for cupola like the one on PC

balance achieved

[thorny smelt]

It is my most played tier 10 tank

[misty wing]

nah remove the high alpha

[shell robin]

afaik, there's aren't many tanks that can pen 330mm armor, with cs and all even. hell, even most heavies can't pen 330 with all the bells and whistles.

[slate wren]

more like buff the gun and nerf the armor a bit then the tank would actually be fun to play rather then a sitting target

[lyric copper]

nah, gun should be left bad

having 2 weakspots, 1 of which can be hidden is fine imo

[slate wren]

do you not understand how bad the gun is? like seriously

[shell robin]

make it's weakspot a weakspot would be my idea

[fast compass]

It is not supposed to snipe in the first place. Dispersion is poor but it is fine for frontlining

[lyric copper]

It’s a close range tank

at least give it more than one weakspot

lower lower plate, enlarged cupola hit box

easy changes, big impact

[slate wren]

it seems like you dont let me explain

[thorny smelt]

I highly agreed

[slate wren]

the gun first lets say a grill it has no pen but it has crazy accurate gun so it can "hit" weak spots but this tank no matter how close you get your base pen is still sh and combined with dispersion its a hell hole it is arguably worst gun at tier 10

[lyric copper]

yes ik it has .45 base

.37 with RG

frontline tank

with 330 eff lfp

1 frontal weakspot that has to be carefully aimed at or you hit spaced and don’t damage

so

make the cupola like the PC version (it has a larger hit box)

there’s a plate under the aforementioned 330 eff lfp that on PC, can be penned by tier 9s (this can be hidden)

[slate wren]

agh dont you get it? its a td with a worse medium gun exept it has no dpm (for a td or a med) or accretes and as i said prob the worst gun at tier 10 the alpha cant save the tank also it can be argued due to its high alpha low pen and low accretes the high alpha will only hurt the tank as it is missing alot of its dpm each time it dont pen or miss

[fast compass]

.-.

[lyric copper]

you literally have one weakspot

330 HEAT is still good

you outtrade all but 2 tanks at tier X

don’t think it’s currently so balanced

[misty wing]

how about they nerf both the gun and armor and buff the mobility

[valid gale]

Do you want another 263 running around that can do more damage

[fast compass]

And is less vulnerable

[shell robin]

ok, nerf the mobility, armor, and the gun.

[misty wing]

nah then it would be trash
it's not as overpowered as you think

[valid gale]

It literally is though how much are you gonna ignore that

[shell robin]

either war, i'd like the armor to be nerfed. a 330mm weakspot is hokey.

[lyric copper]

genuinely I do think it would be okay with 2 actual weakspots

that don’t need CS prammo t be penned

[fast compass]

armor, alpha, decent mobility look bad dispersion, and below avg td pen. Balanced

[slate wren]

you sure? 330 is "good" pen to you? well lets just say you cant pen the super structure of an jag e100 or an e100 if they angle cant pen if the is4 hull down just a little you cant pen its upper plate you just cant pen a 60tp upper plate you need to load gold to pen an average tier 10 med turret and guess what to rub more salt this tank only got 2.2k dpm which is HORENDOUS any one will out dpm you by a LARGE margin

[lyric copper]

the yellow plate is 85mm nominal on PC

215 on flat ground

oh and it’s cupola is normal

[slate wren]

are you high the tank is not that tall its rather low

[misty wing]

it literally has 2 things going for it, the alpha and the frontal armor, if they nerf the frontal armor and don't do it the right way, it can very easily turn from being overpowered to being trash

[lyric copper]

I’m just making it easier to see

[fast compass]

I'd rather have a trash tank that can be buffed later than a broken tank that won't be nerfed

[slate wren]

also did you hear what i said this thing have only 2.2k dpm like my god 2.2k worst dpm at tier 10

[misty wing]

I struggle more fighting the 60tp than the v4 in its current state ngl

[lyric copper]

@misty wing this version is the PC version which still continues to dominate

@slate wren it has armour to back that up

[fast compass]

It gets 3k dpm.

[slate wren]

yah and if you nerf that armour what dose it have? thought you where screaming god its broken

[valid gale]

Dpm rarely gets put to use at tier 10 lol meds struggle and will often get it reduced because gold and no way there gonna win a trading battle against a heavy

[lyric copper]

it is

the PC version, with the nerfed armour STILL DOMINATES CAN YOU READ

[slate wren]

you just dont get how bad the gun is

[fast compass]

You just don't get how good the armor is

[lyric copper]

We are talking about the ARMOUR PROFILE

NOT THE GUN

[valid gale]

You say this yet kv2 and 183 with horrific guns are still highly played tanks

[boreal spruce]

this photo shows it all,
the tank on the left is hated by all players on PC,
and it is the best TD in PC IMO

the one on the right is what we are getting. which has a even Stronger Armour Profile!

[slate wren]

yah but you scream bloody hell this thing will kill the game its broken

[slate wren]

bc kv2 is known as the king of bonk and the 183 got funni hesh

[lyric copper]

@slate wren look

actually take a good look

this armour profile is nuts

the gun doesn’t matter- we aren’t discussing that

[misty wing]

the v4 is easier to pen in blitz imo, because of how weak the turret cheeks are
but the PC armor profile is healthier for the game

[fast compass]

Gun is decent enough to compliment the armor. It doesn't have to have the best gun and armor to be called broken

[slate wren]

ya call that nuts? go scream at how the e3 is broken i dont see any one complaining about that thing or if you want go scream at the yoh the ho ri and the 60tp stop saying this underwhelming tank is some how op

[slate wren]

god worst gun at tier 10 its pretty "DECENT" am i right

[valid gale]

Because it got power crept do you just not play the game? E3 is easy to deal with just spam he at its hat

[lyric copper]

E3 is literally the best TD in terms of winrate

we aren’t saying it’s broken

not compared to this

Yoh is also OP

Ho-Ri has flat armour

60TP is considered OP

[slate wren]

really? its hat got spaced armour and that nerf the damage dont you know?

[fast compass]

265mm of pen is ok for .367 dispersion. Along with 3k dpm and 690 alpha. It's not really the worst gun in the tier

[boreal spruce]

it can go 45km, has a 32degree turn rate, and a hp/t ratio of 14. it can just roll a E3,
oh and the DPM is pretty much the same
oh, and it has 2243 hp

[slate wren]

dude it has 2.2k dont know what your talking about also it got .45 dispersion dont know where you got 3.67

[lyric copper]

you are literally trying to avoid the fact that we are discussing the ARMOUR and not the gun

if we’re discussing all factors, the E3 looks better- at least that has a pennable lower plate

[valid gale]

Splash damage still works and if the front is oh so powerful that is a pretty big weakness and if used correctly e3 can’t fight back

[fast compass]

You should look up the stats before talking

[boreal spruce]

<@&481447501690568709>

[slate wren]

e3 is an insane hull down vehicle but it still need team support as it can easily get rushed guess what its impenatrable unlike the yoh load gold you can pen the thingys holding up the turret and the ring in the front

[valid gale]

Like every other hulldown tank

[slate wren]

im using wotb armour inspector

[lyric copper]

it is nigh impenetrable on a ridge

except for one minuscule spot, which is hard to hit because any good E3 player doesn’t sit still

[fast compass]

No one is going to run it without equipment and provisions

[calm drum]

charcharlie09#9064 was banned

[boreal spruce]

the E3 has the better gun (pen, disp etc) 😎
but the 268v4 will be a better facehugger than the E3 could even dream off 😭

[slate wren]

actually no not even close you need to load gold to have a slight chance of penning the e3 while the v4 got a small cupola but in face hug range in enough for standard shell to pen

[hard cedar]

i 🧑‍🦱 love ❤️ emojis 🤩

[lyric copper]

one of the best TDs for pen- struggles to pen lower plate, mind you this is with Enhanced armour, something any knowlegable V4 driver will take, pen chance is sub 50% with standard CS AP

[slate wren]

i consider the people that use them cringe but you do you i wont stop you but i wont like you

[boreal spruce]

that is terrifying
dont Ever
EVER
EVER show me that again 😎

[hard cedar]

ok you didn't get it.
carry on!

[slate wren]

is that standard your using? geeze do you know if you want to use the ho ri like a good player you need to be a gold spammer since thats what make the tank so strong some times for the funni i load all gold on the ho ri

[lyric copper]

Extra info: 100M, from the actual perspective of a Ho-Ri considering its height, full flat terrain

@slate wren try out the exact same thing yourself

[misty wing]

My concern is that if they nerf the whole lower plate, people will be able to butter through it every time with pramo, especially since it's huge. Best course of action would be to give it the lower lower plate and weaker rangefinder as the other guy said

[thorny smelt]

I just wanna slam this guy into dust.

[slate wren]

ho ri got 399 gold pen with cali thats base pen not including shell normalization

[fast compass]

Having a weak lower plate won't ruin the tank. Look at 263

[lyric copper]

I said it’s standard AP

[misty wing]

263 has a much smaller lower plate and is faster

[slate wren]

bc the 263 got the highest dpm in their 10 also lower plate smol

[slate wren]

and i said to play the ho ri right you need to load gold alot since thats what make the tank strong

[misty wing]

v4's lower plate is probably the largest uninterrupted surface on the front of the tank, so if it gets weaker, the entire armor profile is going to fall apart

[lyric copper]

the fact that you are FORCED TO SPAM PRAMMO

in one of the tanks RENOWNED FOR IT PEN, standard or not

should be ringing ALARM BELLS

[steep canyon]

Thats why the Ho Ri is not a economical tank

[lyric copper]

@slate wren should I upload an image of V4 vs HoRi?

you have A.I yourself, check it

[boreal spruce]

show us the jageroo with CS and prem please

[slate wren]

uhh acctrually no its more famous for its gold then standard since standard is pretty average pretty cool not very chad then the gold shell comes in with the HO HO - only 15 damage from the standard meaning that you dont loose any dpm if you spam gold and combind with that sweet gold pen geeze its jacked

[lyric copper]

and this is what the V4 sees.

amazing balance

[fast compass]

Standard AP is not avg lol. It is the best standard pen in the game

[slate wren]

your not forced to spam gold tho you can still load standard its just if you see anything you cant pen just use gold

[boreal spruce]

and the obj has terrible pen (265/330) 🤣

[thorny smelt]

How about a weak, pennable gun mantlet? Just like the pre-buff Object 263.

[slate wren]

what all your heavy plate upperplate and over all armour is above that meaning your sill limited to only bottom plate to shoot at if you only use standard

[lyric copper]

nah, that’s half the front of the tank

still going with PC cupola and lower lower plate

[slate wren]

oi are you going to show us ho ri loading gold on that pitful thing or what?

[misty wing]

That and remove the super consumables/provisions

[thorny smelt]

I'm happy though that you can just pen the cupola. We can aim and shoot it. I don't want another Maus in the game.

[lyric copper]

You said you had A.I

use it.

Spoiler: side cheeks non pen, best CS PRAMMO too

[boreal spruce]

the V4 on PC is far more balanced than the V4 on Blitz IMO
(said as a player of the V4 on Blitz with over 600 battles)

[slate wren]

i have ai i did not spend any money on it tho so i cant compair tier 10

[misty wing]

You're a tester?

[boreal spruce]

im a PC player before i became a blitz player

i wish i was a tester, im not good enough though 🤣

[slate wren]

dose the side cheeks seems big to you? its just like saying look at me im an e100 my mantlet is impenetrable btw 😉

[lyric copper]

Aim carefully...

[steep canyon]

Well standard shell pen is bad and below average for a tier 10 td

[slate wren]

wow that bottom plate dam so juicy i can just see all the shell that is going to go in there : D

[lyric copper]

A rushed shot can still result in a bounce

and refer back to the previous shot of V4 pen vs HoRi

wonder who wins

[misty wing]

Is anyone else reminded of MBTs from the v4's armor profile? What with the huge lower plate and small, heavily sloped upper plate

[slate wren]

ho ri got a cracked snap gun what are you talking about

[thorny smelt]

If this shows up, Ho-Ri is my go-to tank destroyer. I'll just switch it to CS and all is well. What is the gun depression of V4?

[misty wing]

I think it's 5 degrees?

[slate wren]

ya 5 degreese below average

[lyric copper]

-5

if this thing gets hull down its gonna stay there

spamming heat post 8.5 very economical very comidi

[thorny smelt]

Still poop like 263 in terms of gun depression.

[slate wren]

if an hull down tank is going hull down its gonna stay there why is the v4 broken again?

[boreal spruce]

dam that ufp is a juicy

[misty wing]

What if they introduce the WT E100 to counter the v4

[lyric copper]

PC Jpz really gon sicko mode

[misty wing]

If that was the blitz v4 those cheeks gonna be green as well :)

[slate wren]

so v4 is broken naaaaa underwhelming is the real term

[lyric copper]

well yes my previous sc shows that

but it also shows the armour is better

@slate wren yes you have to spam HEAT to pen it very balanced

[misty wing]

I think the regular 268 had 850 alpha and 450 heat pen on PC at one point

[slate wren]

what when you see something you cant pen you load gold kidna the design of the game

[lyric copper]

oh wow funny its now red like a tomato

[fast compass]

Penning with gold only works when you have 340 heat or something equivalent and above

[slate wren]

wow look its a 1v1 with a jag and a v4 not like anyone is going to pop out on the side and auto pen

[lyric copper]

wrong, that’s become the design

back in the day it wasn’t like that

you aimed for a weakspot, or tanks were actually balanced back then

@slate wren you’re debasing to avoiding clear evidence that this thing is powerful

[slate wren]

what so your saying i should sit there when i cant pen something and just wait for some one else to get a shot on him?

[plucky summit]

Aim for the weakspot?

Like… the cupola?

[misty wing]

Imagine they give the v4 tungsten shells as well

[slate wren]

high chance they are nerfing that since they knew it was a mistake from the 60tp

[misty wing]

Every premium consumable was a mistake except for maybe super engine boost

[plucky summit]

Nerfs 60TP’s alpha even more to counter Tungsten shells 😒

[slate wren]

na just remove tungsten shells see balanced and no one scream about over nerf

[steep canyon]

For what nerfing a heavily armored tank?

[plucky summit]

I meant to put an asterisk lol
Sarcastic joke about WG’s balancing

[misty wing]

Inb4 they nerf tungsten shells, but then introduce depleted uranium shells as a better version of it

[steep canyon]

Its keep it as a n00b friendly tank so it good for starters hand

[slate wren]

the tungsten shell is the reason why 60tp is broken having the ability to hit some one for 700 damage twice just seems not cool

[plucky summit]

It’s noob friendly without TS

[hollow notch]

Gotta love fake hatches

[steep canyon]

Well now its more to a tier 10 Smasher

[plucky summit]

The lower part <3

[misty wing]

Inb4 they replace the v4's superstructure with the ARL 44 stock turret

[lyric copper]

PC hatch vs Blitz hatch

literal 6’ vs 5’11”

[steep canyon]

My Leopard PT A already bombarded by Tungsten shells from 50TP to 60TP

[hollow notch]

That doesn't change that the noobs on my team will be unable to kill it

[plucky summit]

I wonder how v4 will fit in high comp, I doubt even at this state it will

[steep canyon]

Ye

[misty wing]

I think 60tp is stronger for comp ngl
But they'd probably run at least a few v4s

[lyric copper]

TDs aren’t really meta

gundep is meta

[plucky summit]

Yeah

[slate wren]

it wont garbo gun with low hp and "decent" armour wont be good enough

[hollow notch]

No meds in comp, and v4 is a med stomper
It will get slaughtered by krans

[steep canyon]

Well 60TP can use Tungsten shell to a paper ramore tanks and HE like To Grille 15

[plucky summit]

TS does nothing but prevent low rolls, remember?

[lyric copper]

as long as those krans don’t have to face it frontally

[steep canyon]

Yes

[hollow notch]

374 heat says hi

[slate wren]

stop with the dam thing is impenatrable as i said if there is 2 krang there is no way you can wiggle fast enough that you can protect yourslef from two

[plucky summit]

That won’t pen a fully GD Kran

[lyric copper]

RIP dpm

@slate wren do you think tourn players separate their clippers

not many teams do

watch any pro teams, they don’t split their clippers often

[slate wren]

ya 2 krang clippers stay together also 374 heat pen say hi

[lyric copper]

also that V4 will probably have backup

and 2 fully dumped krans are an easy tactic

[slate wren]

ya back up wont stop getting focused to death and getting auto pen

[lyric copper]

so then the Krans don’t dump

they slowly put out shots, good

V4 reverses into safety with -20kph

not to mention RA, combined with prammo spam

[slate wren]

it has a 2.5sec interclip reload and if they are hull down which most likely they are since why else you play krang which means they shove 700 damage up your lower plate and you cant do anything back

[plucky summit]

Oh I thought it was 3.5

[misty wing]

Isn't kran 3 or 3.5 seconds or something

[lyric copper]

again, RA, prammo spam

they deal less damage overall, and if you do retreat, those krans have wasted time

and if they are alone, and have mag dumped...

free win almost

[slate wren]

ill check later but none the less 700 damage up its bottom plate what are you going to do now?

[plucky summit]

It’s 3.53s

[slate wren]

the hell is wrong with prammo spam? and most likely the krang will be holding a spot not just running off randomly and since your garbo gun your going to be against tank with enough gold pen to pen your bottom plate

[lyric copper]

didn’t someone say earlier that hitting for 700 twice “seems not cool”

you only get hit for 700 hmmm

[plucky summit]

700/2200 or so is pretty ouchy

[slate wren]

ya thats standard shell for a 60tp with tungsten shell

[lyric copper]

secondly, 2 for 1

if 1 tank can hold up 2 with notoriously bad DPM....

that’s 6v5

@slate wren which means you’ve taken as much damage as one tank can output in a single shot

the krans had to put a few in

[slate wren]

for what a full krang clip dump?

[plucky summit]

671.25 I believe is the average roll of a TS 60TP
@slate wren 2 shells of HEAT

[slate wren]

ya but the krang wont be just jacking off pushing a random side they are going to be holding a hill or somthing with their team if not they it can be a single krang and you will still get hit for 350 while doing nothing

[lyric copper]

This is also assuming the V4 driver will even go against 2 Krans in a tourn in the first place, this entire scenario is hypothetical

[slate wren]

just trying to say v4 garbo why would you run it in comp

[lyric copper]

which has been said by others and is something I agree with

[slate wren]

v4 over all just not gud armour sure you got that but your gun is as nerfing the armour would be like tanking the gun away from the old fv215b

its all the tank got

[plucky summit]

I think the speed and armor except the LFP should be kept, maybe even strengthening the superstructure shoulders

[slate wren]

i would say nerf the armour and buff the gun so the tank is playable and actually fun instead of missing everything

[hollow notch]

The v4 will completely annihilate noobs in pub matches.

Comps has actual teamwork to create crossfires, and tanks with bad pen aren't commonly used.

[plucky summit]

IS-7 funny

[hollow notch]

When an is7 hard counter is introduced, it would be tossed aside for something with buttery pen

[plucky summit]

I doubt that’ll happen anytime soon

[hollow notch]

._. V4 is literally a hard counter for the is7

[plucky summit]

EHH

[slate wren]

i mean en turn your is7 80 degree to the side and now you have a black hole

[hollow notch]

Unless all the v4s you come across are using lots of elevation

[plucky summit]

I just shoot bruhpulas

[thick trout]

The v4 weakens very quickly as soon as it's not facing the reds, it's not any issue at all for randoms because you can almost guarantee that whoever you are facing will be bad

[plucky summit]

If you take AMX M4 mle 54 as not a threat, then v4 shouldn’t be much an issue 🍉

[thick trout]

It's not weak for sure it's just much weaker than it first appears

[hollow notch]

Is7 vs smart v4 player

[plucky summit]

Smart IS-7 doesn’t engage a tank in an optimal position 🤨

[hollow notch]

One of them has to engage the other at some point

[plucky summit]

At least it’s a 7v7

[hollow notch]

It's really easy to isolate a lone target

[plucky summit]

I thought IS-7s acted as support tanks

[hollow notch]

You don't fully peek a corner with 5 tanks looking at you -_-
You peek just enough so that only one has shots and if that one is an is7, it says hi to a wall of red

[plucky summit]

Chances are, a decent IS-7 will also be red

[thorny smelt]

What is the V4's gun arc?

[past fractal]

Theory: obj 268 v4 has the modern composite/reactive armor that modern mbts have

Or layered armor

[thorny smelt]

This is the only chance we can pen with AP shells. The gun arc is 10 degrees on each side.

[plucky summit]

False, the cupola exists

[thorny smelt]

Well aside from the cupola. The gun arc is so small so it needs to turn as much as it needs to.

Ho-Ri has 7 degrees of gun arc on each side so I also need to turn side to side as often.

@plucky summit Which cupola highlighting is much better? PC version (up)? Blitz version (down)?

[thorny smelt]

@lyric copper

[charred vigil]

aren't PC pen mechanics slightly different where increasing armor only decreases the chance of penetration but just because your pen is lower than the armor it doesn't mean a guarantee bounce.
Example such as 293mm of Pen has 12% chance of penning 320mm effective plate
and 293mm of Pen has a 99.5% chance of penning 232mm effective plate

[violet timber]

I believe it's due to the "penetration rng" that happens

[charred vigil]

Give a 360mm plate and shooting it with a 360mm pen gun, its a 50/50 pen

[rigid thunder]

Wotpc still retains the +/-25% shell pen RNG that blitz has removed

[charred vigil]

so you can't really compare armor on PC with armor on blitz

[thorny smelt]

We can compare them. This is a bully fuel for us aka priority target when when there is a Object 268 v4 on the enemy team just like with the FV215b 183.

[plucky summit]

I don't understand what you mean
I'd guess Blitz, it's shorter and there's only one of them

[thorny smelt]

I'm just referring to the cupola highlighting

[broken turtle]

Okey, so does t25 pilot 1 worth it
to me it's totally worth. Good tank with decent price
i'd like to see ur opinion about the tank
when it first came out in crate, people literally hate it a lot. Everyone expected an overpower tank in crate, but they ended up having a thing they don't know how to play. Even youtuber like meadsy lost his mind and complete cursed the tank so hard
but now, 5k gold, much cheaper

[plucky summit]

Both highlightings should be equally sufficient, still unsure what you're looking for here

[plucky summit]

Worse than a Pershing. Need I say more?

[thorny smelt]

Never mind. I'm just asking about this armor dilemma going on with this VERY armored tonk coming to this game. 263 on steroids.

[violet timber]

Pershing isn't bad now ;)

[broken turtle]

it's better than pershing, Speed, thicker mantlet, better accuracy
just because pershing got dpm buff so now it's good, otherwise t25 still better

[plucky summit]

It's not though

[violet timber]

It was worse than Pershing before the buff, now it's not even close

[misty wing]

How was it worse than the Pershing when it had a stronger turret and more mobility

[broken turtle]

meh
it's much better than pershing
speed with 0.308 dispersion is really decent to move around, hulldown and quickly retreat
with pershing you don't have much speed. Accuracy is meh, Just have dpm to have some chance bursting

[lyric oriole]

The DPM isn't even that impressive

[plucky summit]

Pershing is pretty tanky, 1440 HP

[broken turtle]

pershing dpm is now the best in tier 8 mt now huh

[plucky summit]

For tanks they'd commonly engage (penetration-wise, should be lower too), their turrets are basically the same

[steep canyon]

Its HP is average for a medium tank

[plucky summit]

Cool, that means Pilot's 1300 HP is less than average, rather low, then

[lyric oriole]

Thought you were referring to T25

[broken turtle]

eh t25 dpm is pretty average

[misty wing]

Does anyone else find the tank inspector extremely frustrating to use with an ugly UI compared to tanks.gg

[lyric oriole]

I just use Blitzhangar

[plucky summit]

I think it does its job
@lyric oriole I hate calculating for AP normalization 😔

[violet timber]

I've been wanting to ask, where does "Fun Ruiner" come from?

[plucky summit]

Destroying the baddies who are "having fun"
Either a moderator or Blitz joke I assume, leaning towards moderator

[misty wing]

He probably plays the annihilator

[violet timber]

Probably, just seems funny to me

[lyric oriole]

No, someone just told me I "ruined the fun in chat" when someone was up to no good

[plucky summit]

Yayy, I guessed it

[violet timber]

Poor Mayo, ruining everyone's fun

[lyric oriole]

[plucky summit]

Even if I grant that Pilot was better than Persh before, Persh wins this one

[lyric oriole]

Pershing was much better feeling to play before to me

Obviously now it's not different lol

[broken turtle]

pilot mantlet is 300mm++, while pershing is just around 230mm
tds and decent high pen tank would get it

[plucky summit]

I've played neither, but I can assume Pershing is a bit more of a roughhouse than Pilot, while Pilot is more nimble

@broken turtle any smart medium player wouldn't try to engage a high pen gun if they don't have to

[lyric oriole]

Pilot was barely more nimble tbh

On paper it was but on performance far from

[broken turtle]

with pilot i can play aggressively hulldown to any tank just because my mantlet is so thick to bounce most of them haha
or facing tier 9, the 105mm l7a1-family gun got 255mm normal pen would go through pershing mantlet. Or even most tier 9 mt can get it also

[plucky summit]

Wow that's so funny, except there's loads of weakspots on the turret that they can shoot anyways

[steep canyon]

There nearly a dozen weak spots on T25 Pilot 1

[lyric oriole]

Such as the actual turret lol

[misty wing]

pilot has a cooler name
therefore it's better to me

[broken turtle]

i trust my speed lol
yeah sometimes i get shot there, so for extremely close range it wouldn't work so well

[plucky summit]

At least AMX M4 mle 54 knew how to do it
Cover the whole dang thing

[steep canyon]

Well yeah

[lyric oriole]

Pershing had a cooler name to me cause John J. Pershing was a war hero

[plucky summit]

T25 Pilot 1 just reminds me of T23E3
So uh. Ouch.

[steep canyon]

Yep he is a hero from WWI and the Americans were decided to name those to their tanks

[misty wing]

I find prototype tanks to be cooler than production tanks for some reason

[broken turtle]

t23e3 got thicker mantlet now
and has one of the faster reverse speed in the game LOL

[plucky summit]

I think those are cool too, since they're actually special, so much so they they can't be mass produced, mainly through expenses or obsoletion

[lyric oriole]

It's really fun in uprising to get tier 2 speed for a 50kph reverse lol

[plucky summit]

Either way T32 wins

[broken turtle]

you going reverse and bet the enermies to shoot HE at the butt lol

@plucky summit ah yes right, thick mantlet, better pen now, and thick hull

[lyric oriole]

Unfortunately yeah

T32 is a kart with a star in Mario Kart

[plucky summit]

What's the point of being fast if you have to engage heavies in the end anyways 🗿

[lyric oriole]

That's basically it

Any tank that has a wide array of stats doesn't do well

If it min-maxes for speed it does OK

So lights

Or if it's a heavy class

[plucky summit]

I wonder how insane VK A is doing against meds rn

[lyric oriole]

Dunno it was already insane after the HP buffs and the 105mm buff imo

VK 45 is one of my favorite heavies because I want it to be good but it somehow lets me down a lot

I just don't want to give up on it

[plucky summit]

Me and my 183

[lyric oriole]

I'd also be willing to say it's one of the rarest tier 8s to see in battle

[broken turtle]

ah yes will we see frontline 183 in the future lol

[lyric oriole]

Honestly it will reward second line players like me

If you play Frontline those weak spots are easy to hit

[plucky summit]

At least I enjoy T-2020 as if I've played it in the last 30 days :p

[broken turtle]

it would make the tank better i think
no more complete paper, harder to pen

[lyric oriole]

I've always enjoyed T2020

It felt balanced

[plucky summit]

I wouldn't say $50 is worth it, but I'm happy regardless

[lyric oriole]

Oh yeah shameless plug time

[plucky summit]

Woo yeah 5k kolobanovs woo yeah

Kinda wish there was a setting to double stack the garage slots

[ancient iron]

question for peeps here.... tips for the SU-85-I?

[plucky summit]

Don’t frontline, I guess? It’s kind of “do what doesn’t get you shot”

[warm snow]

best bets for Black friday purchases? already got the amazing 5/1$ deals

tiger 131 or E75 any good?

[plucky summit]

E75 TS is nice

[warm snow]

what about the more expenseive kpz70 or 121B? 8500 gold for a T9 and 12500 T10 is crazy

[plucky summit]

Ehh, neither are that special, though if you want a tank with the highest heavy alpha in its tier…

[lyric oriole]

121b has solid DPM, armor, and alpha

[steep canyon]

And different gun from WZ-121 tech tree one

[hollow sequoia]

the kpz is kinda eh, i only like it because it looks neat

[thorny smelt]

Looks more modern

[shell robin]

well, it is the abrams grandpappy

[hollow sequoia]

it needs a gun dep buff
irl it has around 8-10° iirc

[thorny smelt]

It is also Leopard 2's grandpa

[shell robin]

looks a lot more like an abrams than leopard 2 tbh

[thorny smelt]

@shell robin

[valid gale]

People really do forget kpz and mbt are separate tanks

[thorny smelt]

Gun-wise yes

[valid gale]

Kpz never mounted an 120mm that was only ever drawn up they both have different engines kpzs still being used in leopard 2

[hollow sequoia]

wouldnt it be funny if they gave the thing missiles haha balanced

[valid gale]

Again like I saidkpz never mounted the l44 unless you wanna find a photo it did or anything saying it did

[thorny smelt]

What I44?

[valid gale]

That’s the name of the 120mm…

[thorny smelt]

Oh. The Rheinmetall gun?

[hollow sequoia]

kpz with a 120 alt gun would be nice

[thorny smelt]

Just like with the Jagdtiger 8,8 cm

[frail dragon]

I bought the skorp was it worth it

[hushed dust]

Did they nerf T28?

I hope they didn't nerf T95

[steep canyon]

T95 is already suck on mobility and its avg speed is like 1 kmh

[hushed dust]

Lmao yeah

T28 and T95 is much thick than those AT line

Tortoise is not as thick as T95

[sleek fable]

is there a new skin for AMX 12t?

[stuck needle]

Its the Christmas battle pass tank

[misty wing]

how do you get the spark extreme

[sleek fable]

if you want to get it buy a premium pass and complete some missions note that event is not f2p only for p2w

[misty wing]

the premium pass as in the $20 BP?

[drifting grove]

MBT- Main Battle Tank.
KpfPz - Kampf Panzer - Battle Tank.
It's literally the same name, but in different languages.

[blissful patio]

E

[past fractal]

A

[thorny smelt]

@valid gale Listen to the man himself

@drifting grove I even used the 'unreliable' Google translate and 'kampfpanzer' means 'main battle tank'

[valid gale]

Their still separate tanks they share the same name kpz has a different engine and mbt aswell somehow you managed to ignore that

@thorny smelt

[thorny smelt]

🤔

[thorny smelt]

@valid gale Right

If this speed is implemented in this game, surely this is the medium tank bully for sure.

[valid gale]

@thorny smelt it’s a true “heavium” if it was actually implemented the turret and hull are very weak for the standards at the time being roughly 250-300 effective at the front and very weak on the rear and sides

[thorny smelt]

Yeah right. I'm gonna check the armor specifications of this tank.

[valid gale]

For the record you do know each unit made didn’t have the exact armor specifications each pilot experimented with armor types

But ehh I personally don’t care they got concept rolling out and I’m waiting for that

[hearty wren]

fortnite kids would rage again, also, ironically the KpfPz 70 debuted during the T49 ATGM event

[loud verge]

I feel like the new concept 1B needs nerf, the obj 268 v4 was fine, but the concept 1b is literally destroying the t1 heavy and the t110e5

[steep canyon]

Also: concept 1b is very ugly narrow turret

[wintry trellis]

true

[thorny smelt]

Tier 10 Noodle

[wintry trellis]

IS3 got powercrept super badly, it needs buff now

[thorny smelt]

Hull buff

[wintry trellis]

its accuracy and hull front and sides suck. they need to buff those ;-;

[onyx sluice]

Is the Gravedigger really available in the premium store?

[reef dragon]

What do you guys think should i grind for Vk 72.01 or for the Maus?

[hollow moth]

Useful tip: people only actually use VK 72 for 1 vs 1. Go for Maus and let Vk72 only if you're tryharder enough.

[spare bramble]

Black Friday tanks to buy 9k or under?

Was thinking about buying kpfpz

[manic carbon]

Chimera is a solid pickup

[spare bramble]

Over kpfpz? Or

[strange thicket]

yes it is significantly better than the kpfpz tier for tier

[spare bramble]

Yeah but isn’t it like a heavium, not sure I know how to play a tank like that

[strange thicket]

it is a heavium that is more on the heavy side and it doesn't require significant skill to play
make sure your team is around you, and shoot then get back to cover. you can outtrade most things in your tier.
and your turret is trollish but can be penned by high pen tanks or prammo

oh and use your gun depression and get into hulldown position.

[spare bramble]

This will be my decision then, kpfpz or chimera 😆

[muted frost]

When mod is better than vanilla

[strange thicket]

kpfpz is not as good tier for tier

[rigid thunder]

when the wotpc models is better than wotb models....

yeah well now isn't that a surprise

[spare bramble]

Could you explain to me what tier for tier means is that when playing against 9s or playing up

[strange thicket]

i mean that KPFPZ performs worse against tier9s than the chimera does against tier 8s

[spare bramble]

Ahhh ok

Imma check out the stats holdon

[thorny smelt]

Well it is a main battle tank (MBT) or kampfpanzer (Kpfpz or KPz). It is more of a breakthrough vehicle than a frontline.

[strange thicket]

it doesn't do its role that well tbh.
that doesn't stop me from wanting one but the chimera is just significantly way better.

[thorny smelt]

It is specified to have 69 kmph max speed but you know, Blitz. But you don't play it as a frontline in this game. It is more of a support vehicle like the AMX 50 120

[spare bramble]

Is7 is a frontline right

[strange thicket]

except the amx 50 120 is significantly better at that role too so eh

[thorny smelt]

IS-7 can be a frontline and also a breakthrough tank

[strange thicket]

yes, it is a frontline tank and a medium hunter.
you want to hulldown in it because heavies and tds with prammo can pen your UFP

[spare bramble]

And is is4 a frontline

[thorny smelt]

IS-4 line are frontline vehicles. They are also good for side-scraping

[spare bramble]

🤔I’ve been side scraping in is7 this whole time

[thorny smelt]

MBT-70's hull is weaker which is why, historically, it is fast at 69 kmph which is impressive.

[strange thicket]

IS7 has way better sides than any tank in the is4 line but the pike nose becomes weak when side scraping

[spare bramble]

Yes I always get shot in the front

[thorny smelt]

With MBT-70, mostly you'll only show your turret because of the aforementioned reason.

[strange thicket]

that is why you should instead face your enemies head on in the IS7
and try to hide the lower plate

[solid gate]

umm for me heavium is hard like its a heavy but have a unforgiving results if u dont know what to do

[strange thicket]

heavium means a medium heavy hybrid
that can result in a lot of combinations

[solid gate]

hmm..

[solid gate]

112 Glacial or IS-3? In other words: Should I rebuy my 112 or should I buy the IS-3?

I don´t care about grinding or credit efficiency, I just want to know which is better

That both tank is a crap tho

[solid gate]

I didn´t asked if they are good, I asked which one is better.

Told ya', both of those tank is sh*t.
WZ 112 glacial easily got ammorekt just like WZ 111 when IS 3 only bad at front armor.

Tbh i prefer IS 3 for mobility

[solid gate]

thx

[strange thicket]

is3
it has got mobility and gun and also impenetrable turret

[solid gate]

thx

[hard cedar]

weak ammorack is generally a stupid reason not to get a tank

[strange thicket]

112 glacial is trash nevertheless

[half harbor]

Hello, has anyone got tips for the tortoise? For me personally it’s unplayable, Ive used the whole AT line and not even the AT7 was as awful as the tortioise

[onyx sluice]

The only tip I can give you is to wait for it to get buffed. No matter what you do the armor will always let it down.

Or just free XP the Death Star.

[wind acorn]

was aiming for the tortoise but missed by a hare 😉

[half harbor]

Alright, I was planning on free XPing but decided to swiften the process a wee bit, I still need to research the 75k gun, thanks tho

[half harbor]

😂😂

[onyx sluice]

Wargaming just announced discounts on free xp and research so you're in luck.

[strange thicket]

yup, right after i researched the t-54

[dusty dawn]

light/medium tanks in T6 with big engines?

anything notable?

[solid gate]

https://tenor.com/view/car-engine-gif-7197622

[violet timber]

If you want something very mobile but can still do something, the MT-25, AMX 12t, VK 28 and VK 30.01 P are all rather good choices

[dusty dawn]

thank you 😄

[violet timber]

Of course, though if you want something a tier lower, t he AMX ELC bis is the only tier 5 tank I’ll play, and it is incredibly fun

[plucky summit]

S35 CA is my go-to

[violet timber]

I don’t really remember it much, but the ELC has stayed with me because of the nickname. I also might get the KV-1 back eventually because legendary camo

[wintry orchid]

Don’t. It’s really not that good. If you want a sealclubbing tank get the T1 Heavy

[violet timber]

I don’t want a seal clubbing tank. I want a fun tank, and that’s what the ELC is. It is also pretty good, having a rather large gun for the tier on a very mobile chassis. It’s also very small, leading to better trolling capabilities if you’re a skilled player

[boreal spruce]

isn't the amx elc bis the shortest (height) tank in wot blitz?

[violet timber]

It may be

[boreal spruce]

its shorter than my UE, and UC pdr
i think it is

[violet timber]

If it’s shorter than both of them then it is the shortest

[solid gate]

Cursed tiger with remodel front armor

[lyric copper]

rip transmission

[solid gate]

Even worse
I decreased gun dep to 6 and engine max speed to 25

For historical purpose

[lyric copper]

poor 🅱️ans

[boreal spruce]

looks soo cute!

[solid gate]

Flat af

Also change previous gun with 12,8 cm KwK 44

[warm leaf]

Which tank do I get? the Action X or Progetto 46?

[hard cedar]

Prog

[loud verge]

Ngl that tank looks normal for me but...that tank looks kinda thicc

[sullen plinth]

Returning player been looking into new economy change. Has it changed whether a tier 8 premium is a good option for making credits?

[spark basin]

nope it just earns less now

[solid gate]

Ofc
The front armor literally 120mm and lower plate is 100mm

[shell robin]

So are there any good tips on my new fangled action x? I'm assuming it's hull down, but the gun's got me on edge

[plucky summit]

The gun forces you to either be aggressive or be lucky against badly exposed enemies

You can work with the hull if you can’t safely sidescrape too well when you can fire back

[hard cedar]

Sus

[shell robin]

Got ahold of another tank (I got lucky), and I need some tips on the M41D as well

[solid gate]

u gotta be agressive on it if u have more heavily armored heavies u can go with meds its also act as a heavium

[solid gate]

yoo lets go i recommend this guide
https://youtu.be/29Aj5GSlyKI

[hard cedar]

I'm sorry what

M41D heavium ??

[plucky summit]

Play it like a low alpha light tank 4head

[tepid geyser]

Heavium bruh

[strange thicket]

It is a light tank?

[solid gate]

hmm i mean since its not heavily armored i see heaviums as a heavy that unforgiving because lack of armor and easily defeated by a real heavy tank.

[violet timber]

Heaviums almost always have a heavy badge. They are heavies that usually have pretty strong turrets, but lacking hulls. Their lack of hull armor allows them to be faster then average heavies, at the drawback of less armor

[strange thicket]

A heavium is a medium heavy hybrid
The m41d has no characteristics of a heavy

[solid gate]

but still theyre must be played by players that have experience and not recommended for newbies like i said they're unforgiving heavies, i dont like them 😕

[violet timber]

It's a horrible analogy. The proper term for it is "Light tank". The M41D is a pretty standard light tank, with mobility to take an early spotting position, a gun that can pump out dpm if used correctly, and then again speed in the later part of the battle to out maneuver the enemies in the later part of the battle.

[charred vigil]

w h a t you can't call all tanks without armor a heavium.
are you saying basically all light tanks are heaviums?

In what way does a bog standard light tank basically a m41 bulldog, ru251, etc etc m41d have anything in common with the terms heavy and medium

When i think of the term heavium the tanks that come to mind are tanks like chieftain mk6 obj 260 and e50m

[solid gate]

hmm

[charred vigil]

e50m the most prominent medium class heavium mostly because its chonky and weighs as much as a heavy but has medium mobility. I can't imagine a light tank bearing the same class

[astral robin]

Any thoughts about the spark tank

[thorny smelt]

Just a Skoda T-25 with 1s inter-clip. Just spam left button or fire button.

[astral robin]

I have done a few battles with it not bad just need to get the hang of it

[solid gate]

Action x or centurian 5/1

Someone answer??

Action x

[drifting grove]

Both are great.
Depends on whether you prefer meds or heavies.

[solid gate]

Raac has better mobility but less dpm and less spaced armor.

Yet action x weakspots are harder to hide because they are bigger and action x is more common.

So the question is who have better hull armor action x or RAAC?? (specially upper hull plate)

[strange thicket]

Obviously the action x has better hull armor
But the choice depends on whether you like meds or heavies

[dire eagle]

U guys think the obj v4 is too armored

Cuz I couldn’t pen with wz 113

[loud verge]

But at least it's gun isn't that broken

[spare bramble]

Worth buying the fv201 a45 for 3k?

[rigid thunder]

no

[drifting grove]

No.
It's a worse AX.

[spare bramble]

Ok thx

[dusty dawn]

I've seen drivers of the fv201 (a45) play some nice games. It's low profile, and on a first encounter (I'm a beginner, so sue me) it looks like a LT.

[distant nymph]

FV201 is roughly comparable to a black prince in gun, it's also a tiny bit quicker and has a fraction of the armor, especially on the hull. It's playstyle (historically as well), it's same-ish to the Caernarvon - a support heavy with high DPM, a hardy but not unpennable turret and paper hull as well as heavium mobility

[solid gate]

Fv201 a45 armor isn't the same anymore. All other hts got buff so it's ammo can't pen anything.

Dpm turret armor in lower tier and speed is good

[royal cargo]

iv got gold to get some legendary camos for my favorite tanks. but it so happens that if i spend around 5 usd on gold i will have enough to get the skorp. so in total around 14usd to get the skorp including the gold i got for the camos . i already have chimera action x and a few other good t8 prems so should i spend the 5 usd and get the skorp for 10k gold or buy the skins i really want?

wait no if i did that i wouldve spent way too much on the game over all

it does hurt tho knowing if i had saved my coupons from the type 62 and chimera bundles plus what i got from the gold plus the 5usd gold pack and skorp thats yet to be bought i couldve gotten the t54e2

[trail orchid]

Got a couple of Chinese tanks in crates and they don't really come across as being that good ,so thinking about selling them and getting the t26e5 is that decent?

[subtle lion]

Ducky Is that you?

[proven river]

Give the FV215B 183 Reticle Calibration.

[plucky summit]

Giving anything super consumables is a bad idea

[violet timber]

Remove super consumables from all tanks

[charred vigil]

buff fv215b

[runic tusk]

Is M6a2e1 exp good for 14 dollars or should I invest in Black Friday things

[solid gate]

Which tank should i get? Progeto 46 or action X or other one

[hard cedar]

prog

[solid gate]

Good evening, I have a question: do I take the level 8 cannon or do I rush the Kv-4?

[thorny smelt]

Check the other guns from KV-4 if they needed to be unlocked

[solid gate]

read skellys27 comment

Okay thanks for this advice

[thorny smelt]

I usually go for Zis 107 mm gun for both KV-3 and KV-4

@solid gate It is better to unlock all of the guns in KV-3 so that you won't have any problem with the KV-4 other than the engine and tracks. It is up to you if you want the top turret but I encourage you to get the 107 mm Zis-24 gun for better penetration.

[fiery palm]

Dam, the AT7 is a really good tank. It’s dpm is scary, I have the best win ratio in that tank.

[solid gate]

@thorny smelt okay 👍

[thorny smelt]

This is the KV-4's top 107 mm Zis-24 gun with 227 mm of AP pen. Don't mind the ugly camo (it fits though with FV215b 183).

[solid gate]

👌

[thorny smelt]

Why don't you go the IS-7 line like everybody does?

[scarlet kernel]

Lmao an IS-4 called me funny that i wiggled to avoid shots in my t95
And i find it funny cause he missed and bounced me 🤣

[copper swan]

try to catch me there lol

[modest solar]

Good?

[onyx sluice]

Its decent enough.

[modest solar]

3.6 reload sound interesting

[hard cedar]

it's not worth it

[thorny smelt]

There's Black Prince which is absolutely FREE

[modest solar]

Alright cancel then

[real quarry]

So

I have 3.5k Gold rn, I already got the Tupe62&M4A1 Rev.
Should I get the FV201(A45) or keep saving Gold for the Christmas Auctions?
I got Action X from Blitzcup Event,and already have the Tiger131&Lozas Sherman so I basically have all the Tanks I want from the BlackFriday Event

Ima save Gold for Christmas Auctions

Maybe a cooler Tank will be sold for about 3.5k-5k Gold,like how the Predator UM was sold for 3500 Gold last Christmas Auction

[royal cargo]

invest it. if you havnt already bought the 6500 gold bundle get it

[junior pawn]

Guys, is the ae phase 1 any good ?

[onyx sluice]

No idea, have never seen one in a battle.

[broken turtle]

so panther didn't get nerfed, right?
in-game front plate still 114mm
and i search for this on blitzhangar but can't find this one again

[spark basin]

seems like it

[kindred wren]

Yeah, they called it off shortly before the update

[solid gate]

Literally trying to make E series but i kinda lazy to finish the hull

Front armor 120 mm
Side armor 100 mm
Back side remain unchanged 80mm

Using object 907 gun so it can deal with tier 10

[drifting grove]

Not at all.

[modest solar]

Ok

[solid gate]

Mate

the action x is literally garbage

Everyone can pen it’s turret and hull, penetration is worse than 70 % of heavies

Not even talking about the framing tier x engine that only goes 22 km/

Keeping in mind that the gun depression doesn’t even stand a change cuz everyone pens you with ap

[gloomy rune]

What? We were talking abt fv201 a45 I thought

[solid gate]

what? did you hit your head somewhere?

[thorny smelt]

Smells like Skill Issue

[narrow shadow]

😂 😂 😂

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-throw-away-brain-spongebob-gif-8612783

[north bloom]

why the hell did they buff obj 263 mantlet.
Even TD premium shells cant pen it

[drifting grove]

I have it.
I disagree.

[solid gate]

What can it do good???

[drifting grove]

DPM.
Play it like an autoloader, but without clip reload. And you can make the cupola hard to hit by moving a lot.
Also, it's the most accurate HT in the game.

[drifting grove]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-sounds-like-skill-issue-monke-dancing-gif-22439519

[drifting grove]

This:
Also note I have the 'Steel Wall' medal.

[solid gate]

Ye but I also have such games sometimes, but that doesn’t make the tank good, I just hardly disagree with people saying it’s the most op tank ever, like a tiger 2 is way but way better

[drifting grove]

AX definitely isn't the best Tier VIII (T54E2 is), and it isn't OP, but it still is very powerful, and far better than the Tiger II.

[rigid thunder]

the AX is def one of the better tier 8 HTs - you get a very nice combination of workable mobility, armour, gun depression and DPM
The sheer amount of turret armour (provided you play around your cupola) and dpm allows you to contest a ridgeline very well, which that alone is enough to place it as a good tank. On top of this, the AX also gets a decent side armour unlike the Caernarvorn, which gives it versatility outside of hull down positions when it needs to

[heady current]

Should I grind the FV4005 line or the 60TP line?

[narrow shadow]

I actually think it's stronger than the T54E2. Not that the T54E2 is bad, but it just feels like literally the only worse thing about the AX is the alpha, everything else seems to go to AX.

I just got the 60TP and after a couple of games, I must laugh at people saying it's balanced when compared to the E100. I just don't understand that opinion 😂

[hard cedar]

ax has crappier armor + low alpha quite an issue

[strange thicket]

which is the more competitive gun to run on the t54?

[thorny smelt]

T-62A

[hard cedar]

140

[past fractal]

Why not get both?

[thorny smelt]

Me who skips Tiger I and proceeds to Tiger II via Panther: Hehehehehehe

[delicate zinc]

i dont want this right?

[lyric oriole]

It's a slightly better comet

[solid gate]

dont waste the gold for the love of god 🙃

[mystic sleet]

The Fv4005 can be op, however, everyone is going to shoot HE at you like there's no tomorrow. Luckily, you have an autoloader with 1380 potential damage if all shells pen and you have a turret with 10 degrees of gun depression. Unluckily, the gun sometimes yeets the shells without any apparent reason. Plus, you are somewhat team reliant since you don't have a fully traversible turret, armor or hitpoints.

Unfortunately, I can only say that the 60TP line grind is fun up to tier 10 (I don't have it yet), so you might want to check out some reviews.

Also, watch some reviews of the Fv 4005 just so you can inform yourself better about the two lines.

[thorny smelt]

Challenger was my 1st tank to get a 100% crew mastery

[heady current]

Thanks for the detailed explanation! I honestly didn’t know the FV4005 had a limited turret traverse but I’ll probably go after the FV4005.
(now time to waste my life grinding for a virtual tank)

[mystic sleet]

Yes.

[hard cedar]

4005 op

[shell robin]

so I bought back my Chi-Ri, and since I use the autoloader, I don't have the adrenaline rush on me. What could replace the adrenaline rush?

[narrow shadow]

I'd go for medkit if the tank doesn't burn often, or automatic fire extinguisher if it does. Speedboost is pretty much useless, better have some extra redundancy on you.

[hard cedar]

speed is nice wdym

[shell robin]

20% fire, paper armor. I think I'll use the automatic fire extinguisher.

[strange thicket]

Fv4005 is not OP and is extremely difficult to play and is also extremely team reliant.
and you basically need special consumables to make it work

[hard cedar]

it's not automatic iirc

[narrow shadow]

The normal one? It's useless 😂 You'll definitely get more use of the extra reduncancy. If you can't run away without speedboost, you're done for anyways most of the time, and it's not that uncommon to get 2 damaged crew members before the multi purpose repairs have been refilled.

[strange thicket]

this is world of tanks blitz not PC lol

[solid gate]

How to vk72?

[valid gale]

The 4005 is an extremely difficult to play TD and is nowhere near op that’s misleading the 60tp on the other hand is a very good heavy and has a good line reputation

[hard cedar]

that is very uncommon, it has never happened to me afaik
on the other hand I like the additional mobility you get from speedboost

[timid wren]

What equipment for KV2?

Im almost getting the tank

[shell robin]

ik, but i'm also playing the chi-ri.

[strange thicket]

there is no automatic fire extinguisher in blitz

[kindred wren]

Of course there is

It‘s literally called „Automatic Fire Extinguisher“

[strange thicket]

woah, never seen that one there

[kindred wren]

It has been there since the basic consumable rework years ago

[heady current]

Thanks but I’ve grown to like auto-loaders and the FV4005 line and itself fascinates me with it’s derp guns and 🅱️ESH

[kindred wren]

It used to be non-automatic but WG decided to make it automatic because it was largely unused.

The basic consumable rework was when they introduced reusability for cnsumables

[frozen belfry]

Hello everyone, i think kranwagn and bat-cat need a bit shell reload buff actually bat cath can be also with between shells passing time reducecing make it also more useful, we see this 2 tanks so rare, i am fan of bat- cat but till you shoot your 3 shells you can take 2 he and go to garage its not worth it. For kranwagn , it has nothing after turret rotation nerv, and baddest dpm such a good tank.. it wasnt op even, please make it again balanced. E5 was good, nowdays its just OK.

[strange thicket]

fv4005 doesn't have hesh
it doesn't have a derp gun either

[heady current]

ik but i mean the line
(Makes it easier and more fun to grind)

[hard cedar]

it does have hesh just not high pen hesh :)

[valid gale]

Conway hasn’t aged well and charioteers glory days are much long gone

[mystic sleet]

You don't need any special consumeables to make the Fv 4005 work (unless we are talking about carryimg your team, then yes). But if you do use them, the tank will perform better.

[mystic sleet]

Charioteer can still be very good. Same goes for the Conway.

[ember atlas]

question: on the T-54 what gun to use? the 100mm D-10T2C or the 100mm D-54?

[misty wing]

Am I the only one who's literally never used automatic fire extinguisher

[mystic sleet]

No.

[manic carbon]

Nope, I haven’t used one pretty much ever

[violet timber]

There’s really no need for it imo. It’s kind of a wasted slot that you could use something more effective

[solid gate]

am I the only one who is still waiting for Super Hellcat?

[neat nimbus]

i like it good wg did two camos cuz...

may i buy it or not

[true pumice]

if ur f2p dont

[neat nimbus]

ok

even tho maybe i save for a cheaper tier 8 hope i can get ebough for the bulldozer panzer

[solid gate]

It says automatic but i still need to press it for it to work

[kindred wren]

Wrong

[neat nimbus]

which one i should put

[kindred wren]

Pink of course. All superheavies must be driven in pink

[neat nimbus]

aight barbie camo best pick and a pumpkin wont come bad to it if wg wasnt lazy

what other camos looks cool on this tank

[plucky summit]

It’s almost like it’s up to your personal opinion on what looks cool on it

[neat nimbus]

maybe desert wind for the e100 looks cool the kranvg can wait

[plucky summit]

Silly 225mn turret lawnmower engine lookin triangle

[neat nimbus]

this one fits well

[teal kindle]

Yeah

But stalwart is gorgeous

[neat nimbus]

is in offer

maybe i save desert wind for the japanses heavy

i hope is 3d camo and not seperate attachment and camo cuz would too far from my wallet

[neat nimbus]

i beeter grind in japanese tanks

any suggestions for this tank

[plucky summit]

It’s a general medium tank, no armor really

Just shoot enemies and try to avoid getting shot, no gimmicks 🤷‍♂️

[neat nimbus]

i need to grind early so i can get the new line

[violet timber]

The new line will take a while, if focus on the T-100LT first

[neat nimbus]

i havent got any soviet tank in the line

[violet timber]

Yikes

[neat nimbus]

so yeah

[hard cedar]

Well focus on that first anyway, Japanese heavies won't come for a while

[shell robin]

more and more, I'm beginning to believe they'll end up like the chinese heavies: bigger versions of their medium counterparts

[neat nimbus]

chip i need to anticipate for the heavies cuz im not often active

ok im poor and i can only play on grandma's house and others relatives of my family

now if you gonna make a joke about it junk it im getting tired of people making fun of the poor

[runic cloud]

First, rewind time to before you purchased the Action X, next, slide your finger over to the Progetto 46, and click purchase

[solid gate]

Don't fight enemies taller or higher than you, don't fight tier 9s, don't fight tier 8 TDs, don't show ur side

[runic cloud]

Hey you said overrated not bad

You get in the AX I'll get in Prog 1v1 I'll smother you in pasta sauce

[hard cedar]

prog isnt overrated its just that good
on the other hand ax is overrated for sure

[fast compass]

One of the best meds

[gloomy rune]

Why do you have that avatar

[neat nimbus]

I bought the centurion mk 5

[gloomy rune]

??? You bought it so?

[neat nimbus]

Yos

[gloomy rune]

Me watching people argue over ax and prog when I chose 5/1

[neat nimbus]

I have the three want hear what I want to say

[full cargo]

whats a good td?

[drifting grove]

Grille 15
Fv4005
Object 268
Ho-Ri

[hard cedar]

dont forget e3

[drifting grove]

No.
Massive target.
Rubbish Accuracy.
It's just a weaker E100.

[drifting grove]

T110E3
T110E4.

It's fun to play for sure, and so is the Fv215b(183), because of that huge alpha.
But in terms of effectiveness? No. It isn't great.

[onyx sluice]

Once the 268v4 comes all other TDs will be irrelevant.

[onyx sluice]

Comparing the V4 to the 268 is a disingenuous argument.

The V4 is supposed to be frontline where accuracy doesn't matter as much, it also doesn't need to aim for weak spots on pretty much any tank.

Its only frontal weak spot is on the top, the bottom plate is very strong so gun depression isn't as important.

[drifting grove]

That's exactly what N9ooo is saying.
There is no 'revelant' TD and they're all different!

[charred vigil]

Why doesn't it need to aim for weakspots? with penetrations just above tier 10 heavies and worst of all tier 10 tds, it will need to aim

[onyx sluice]

Or press 2 and run calibrated.

[charred vigil]

and tier 10 heavies still need to aim with their heat, and their gun handling would be way better than the garbage the v4 has

[onyx sluice]

The only tier 10 heavy that can trade with a V4 is 60TP running tungsten shells and it will be very difficult for it to pen the V4.
The "weak spot" is the size of a pixel and even that is very troll.

[charred vigil]

60tp can overmatch the casemate* roof and the engine deck i believe

so if i was the 60tp i'd try to aim at the top strip i assume

[onyx sluice]

And how many times will it get that chance? Once per 100 battles?
Engine roofs of virtually all tanks are vulnerable to high caliber guns.

[charred vigil]

idk but my point stands about the 268v4 still needing to aim.

[onyx sluice]

"Still needing to aim"

vs

"Not being able to pen"

[charred vigil]

You said the tank didn't need to aim for weakspots which is false

Premium rounds don't guarantee penetration without aiming

[onyx sluice]

Sure doesn't change the fact its still stronger than any current TD.
And that being frontline makes aim times and dispersion less relevant than a sniping tank.

[charred vigil]

that really depends on the situation

[hard cedar]

268/4 has crappy pen for a td

[charred vigil]

I think its kind of funny that the 268/4 running cali and shooting premium has worse pen than the average tank destroyer using rammer shooting premium. (other than grille but that tank is second worst pen)

So I just realized when he said press 2 and no aim for weakspot, every single other TD should be able to do that too, therefore its not an advantage over the other TD's. While the other TDs definitelly boast much better gun handling

[rigid thunder]

hard to pen? The entire 268 v4's front is around 340 , with cheeks that are easy pens whenever the tank is slightly turned. As long as the HT is running CS, all they need to do is spam prammo

[copper swan]

not in gravity mode

[drifting grove]

That's like saying the Vk168 is OP just because it is in gravity mode.

[copper swan]

Jagdpanzer E 100 actually has workable armour and a decent gun but yes it's slow speed and traverse is a huge turn off in regular mode

[valid gale]

4005 is on the list but not jag
You high

[copper swan]

and when 183 gets PBR graphics and the turret armour buff it could be more preferred than Jg E 100

[copper swan]

Lol@drifting grove

[valid gale]

Jag has really good dpm for the caliber and can do second lining it’s nasty in close quarters and can get enough in one shot where 4005 would need a good situation and exposure time to do

[drifting grove]

Mobility.
Clip.
Special Consumables.

[copper swan]

British bias given @drifting grove is British

[drifting grove]

That too.

[copper swan]

knew it

[drifting grove]

But you'll notice I haven't included the Fv183 or Fv217.

[valid gale]

1 the mobility is still poor even with upgrades super consumable is a must as you’ll need it to even escape meds or back away from exposure
2. Due to heavies getting spammed more and with how average games go you’ll only get 2 shots off at best which will still be a bad trade depending on the exposure
3 running the super consumables means your risking not being able to heal often and having high down time which is not something you want in a thing that’s incredibly tall wobbly and thin spall liner won’t help he spam regardless

[copper swan]

how good would 183 be after the turret armour buff, and would it be viable as a tournament tank or simply be a public match stomper?

[drifting grove]

Accuracy is still bad.

[valid gale]

Never if you have awareness you’d not even aim at the face anyways it’s the same 183 in a new clothing

[copper swan]

the turret armour can be annoying though

[valid gale]

I mean hulls still a big target and the lower parts of the turret are still there it can’t hulldown either soo

[valid gale]

There is very little context to that image and a lot left out

[violet timber]

Turret is still a pretty easy pen

[copper swan]

ya 183 does have about 5° gun depression

[fast compass]

It definitely won't be used in tourneys. As for pubs, it is already the most spammed tank.

[copper swan]

my guess is 183 could flood tier 10 and wreck tier 10 and tier 9

[drifting grove]

Looks like a Tiger II stock turret.

[fast compass]

It already is the most played tier 10 in the game so the situation will not change much. It will just be annoying to fight in tier 9 meds

[copper swan]

and tanks with not great penetration

[fast compass]

Aka tier 9 meds

[copper swan]

and maybe lights

[fast compass]

Yeah I just sum it up in meds since light tanks as a unique role is pointless in blitz rn

[drifting grove]

Lights can just drive in circles around it.

[fast compass]

So can meds really

[drifting grove]

And some HTs.

[copper swan]

not common for light tank players to know how to do their job in asia server
especially in allied team

[violet timber]

Just wait till I get to tier 10 in Asia

[fast compass]

Oh no

[violet timber]

:)

[neat nimbus]

this tank is just sits there waiting for to use

[copper swan]

Why does your equipment slots look different? modded?

[copper swan]

Oh

[scarlet kernel]

For some reason my 183 have become the most accurate gun in gravity

[hard swift]

i hate these fking newbies who got a tier 10 from crates... their litteraly ruining the matchmaker bruh

[final bramble]

hello

[violet timber]

Just farm them ez

[drifting grove]

Use gun rammer.
And use longer duration consumables for extra-long high-DPM bursts with adrenaline.

Probably a glitch or something.

[hard swift]

i mostly get these idiots on my own team -.-

[drifting grove]

Use them as bait.

[hard swift]

bruh

[hard swift]

Before i even get to use them as a bait their already dead

[hollow sequoia]

any uh tips for this tank

[kindred wren]

Relatively lightly armoured, but fast… play it a bit like a light tank

[hollow sequoia]

can the turret hold shots?

[kindred wren]

Yes, it‘s somewhere between a 140 and a T-62A

Generally you can play it similarly to a 140, the gun of the 907 is a bit less accurate but therefore the mobility is a bit better

[hollow sequoia]

ah alright, thanks

[solid gate]

Guys, wich guns should I use on T-54?

[kindred wren]

I preferred the D-10T2C because in my mind the accuracy felt a lot more appropriate for a medium and the 18mm of extra pen of the D-54 didn‘t really make up for it. A bit of extra dpm is nice as well

[solid gate]

Thx dude

[hard swift]

t43 bis is the worst trash tank ive ever seen its a fking joke compared to equal tier tanks it has no pen it has nothing except some speed its so trash it doesnt even deserve to be in this game

IF THE TANK ONLY HAD LIKE 20mm on the turret id be happy to own it

[solid gate]

K

best tank for gravity mode? imo its the dracula since fast accel, large ammo capacity for boosts, and amazing at ramming low tier lights

[narrow shadow]

Is it? Have you tried playing the T20?😂

[solid gate]

superior lttb line

[kindred wren]

I‘m unsure if you mean the T-43 or the P.43 bis

[modest salmon]

is the m4 rev still good? i consider buying it or the chinese type 62

[kindred wren]

M4 Rev is unique, and good in doing what it does. I don‘t think that will change anytime soon due to how it stands out

[modest salmon]

maybe i shouldnt have use up all my golds for useless crates in past months then i could have afford both rip

[kindred wren]

Perhaps

[hollow moth]

It's the concept of a turreted and medium-like glass cannon, really a fantastic enemy to have

A skilled guy on the M4 ravioli can wipe easily any tier 8 heavy, perhaps not a 252 so easily, but you got the idea

[split agate]

viktormachinist#9929

[zinc tendon]

How come that a stock pantera has the same DPM as the matilda at tier 4? How am I supposed to be competing against other tier 8 let alone tier 9 if I can't already fight a tier 7 successfully?

[lyric copper]

thus why you save free exp

[mystic sleet]

Can the CAX turret be splashed by a Smasher three times consecutevly, with each shot dealing 300 damage?

[narrow shadow]

Of course, Smasher has 960 HE alpha.. 😄

[mystic sleet]

Ok thanks.

Now I only need to find the person who came up with the idea for the Smasher. Then I will make a time machine, travel back in time, punch that person in the face and hopefully delete the Smasher from existence.

[lyric copper]

that’s just an ability of any +152mm gun

nothing special

[hollow notch]

I have HE penned a hull down AX 3 times consecutively with a lil 105mm on my t28htc

[drifting grove]

The 60TP's 152mm with 690 alpha: :(

[narrow shadow]

60TP is quite OP even with the bad HE shells tho. After getting it myself, I can't believe people even compare it to the E100 😂

[misty wing]

Is it just me or does the t110e5 kinda look like a heavy version of the bulldog

[drifting grove]

Ik.

[full sail]

When will wargaming sell the Lorraine 40 t it’s been entire year sense they last sold it

[manic carbon]

It was sold during the summer, as part of the multiple french tank deals Wargaming had in the store at the time.
I can’t remember the exact price, but it was pretty reasonable. Something like 6,000 or 5,000 gold? Somewhere around there

[full sail]

Yeah it’s been a long time sense then

[manic carbon]

Well not so much a year, more like 4 months

[full sail]

I don’t remember it being sold sense blitz championship last year