vehicles-discussion

[safe cedar]

With engine accelerator and consumables the top hp to weight ratio will be around 18.5hp

[strange thicket]

with the way they are doing this all autoloaders are gonna be just generic autoloader 1, generic autoloader 2....etc.
like, look at what they are gonna do to the pantera. damn.

[onyx sluice]

Nerfing autoloaders is good for the game.

[strange thicket]

no

[spark basin]

elaborate

[gusty raft]

Noob here. How do i play jpanther 2? Im always dead 90% of the time lol.. the armor can't bounce, gun not so accurate etc..

[onyx sluice]

Its simple really, their burst potential give them a huge advantage over single shot tanks.

Their long magazine reload is supposed to be a downside but most autoloaders have the mobility to run away after dumping the clip.

[strange thicket]

avoid direct confrontation, let your team mates take the shots.
you have enough mobility to relocate whenever you don't have any shots in your current position.
there is some niche positions where you can hide your hull and show your strong casemate but they are not always available.
it is a sniping td most of the time.

[strange thicket]

nice, you described how they work. how are they bad to the game now?

[west rapids]

Wait, what!?!? They are nerfing my sweet p.44??

[safe cedar]

Huge advantage? lol

[onyx sluice]

Because it is a broken mechanic.

[safe cedar]

Its broken? How?

[strange thicket]

they are nerfing the mobility and giving it a useless armor buff. now you are not gonna get penned by t49s lol, but say bye bye to the mobility.

[gusty raft]

Yeah when there's typical sniping spot iam sniping, but when supporting on the 2nd line iam always died first lol

[safe cedar]

@strange thicket actually it will just be as fast as amx 50 without the consumables and equipment.

[strange thicket]

your gun packs a punch with a good reload time and excellent penetration. you are an important target to take out, that is why you sneak in shots when 2nd line-ing when the enemy is distracted

[strange thicket]

oh? it is still a downgrade imo. i am not trying to bounce in the pantera, no need to noob proof it.

[silent light]

Neft AMX 100 ?

[onyx sluice]

Because you always out-trade the enemy. An autoloader vs a single shot gun will always come out on top.

[safe cedar]

who in their right mind would trade with an autoloader?

[silent light]

Aww... maybe WG want AMX like more a heavy

Than a heavium

[onyx sluice]

Because doing nothing is a good way of loosing matches.

Autoloaders can out-trade you and out DPM you.

[safe cedar]

No the AMX we currently have is the first model AMX 50 100, they are changing it to the second version which had heavier armour

[high anvil]

And that burst usually comes at the cost of DPM, in some tanks missing or bouncing a single shot from your clip ruins you

[safe cedar]

Yeah got to watch out for that killer 2000 dpm on amx 50 at teir 8.

[high anvil]

That’s literally like trading shot for shot with a KV2 and crying it’s OP

[onyx sluice]

DPM and effective DPM are 2 different things.

[rigid thunder]

???what
autoloaders generally have the massive issues of being unable to fend off rushes, and are horrible when trading shots because of their magazine style reloads

[safe cedar]

@onyx sluice what tanks do you mostly play, soviet heavies?

[onyx sluice]

German heavies. The Maus line.

[rigid thunder]

the whole point of autoloaders is to catch and punish people making mistakes extremely hard, but they themselves are prone to being punished.
If you genuinely think they are overpowered, you need to learn better positioning

[safe cedar]

Okay then you might find it interesting that the AMX 50 was made specifically to counter the IS-3 and tiger II style tanks

[high anvil]

Imagine thinking all autoloaders are inherently OP when you have like, batchat vs Vickers light. Okay dude

[onyx sluice]

I'm not saying they are overpowered, I'm saying they are broken. There is a difference between the two.

[safe cedar]

At least we don't have real autoloaders in game, AMX 50 b has a 19 round clip irl.

[high anvil]

What’s the difference between an autoloader and a single-shot high alpha with long reload like 183 or T49, are all of those broken too?

[strange thicket]

they are not broken, unlike single shots, you can't just shoot and then hide. you have got 3 shots to go through, and if you miss one of them up you get a massive DPM impact.
once your bursts is done you are literally free damage to anyone rushing. which makes them team reliant to not get absolutely nuked

[rigid thunder]

they are neither broken not OP tho?
Autoloaders come with massive weaknesses, such as long clip reloads, the need to sit exposed in order to fully use their magazine, and the inability to trade shots as effectively as single shot tanks because of their inability to reload single shells

[high anvil]

“Yes I literally hate what little diversity there is in this game, only single shot tanks with alpha between 300-400 and 10 seconds reload please”

[safe cedar]

He's probably salty AMX 50 100 can pen tiger II front with standard ap.

[onyx sluice]

Oh an Emil is so exposed on a ridge line. The horror.

[rigid thunder]

oh and said emil is not only extremely slow, but has dumpster fire DPM, and horrible pen. Oh no, what ever shall I do to counter this clearly invulnerable fortress? -_-

[high anvil]

50b? TVP? Batchat? T57? 4005?

[onyx sluice]

Half of the tanks can easily hulldown and the other half circle.

[strange thicket]

that emil has got 20 secs to go through to get its clip, not so great accuracy and the turret can be penned with prammo. and if it is on the ridge alone or facing multiple targets it is dead without any coverage.
it needs a team to make that position work

[rigid thunder]

50b hull down? T57 hull down (??)

what in the name of christ both the T57 and 50b have armour concentrated on their turrets, in no way can they ever hull down

[high anvil]

LMAO which of those can hulldown? Maaaybe t57 and you still get penned through turret?

[onyx sluice]

Most tanks rely on teams.

[onyx sluice]

You get penned once vs you getting in 3 shots.

[strange thicket]

between each shot 3 seconds to react or get back into cover, unless you are out in the open then booo hooo get gud

[rigid thunder]

Look, why are you so fixated on their ability to get 3 shots in? vvvvvv

[violet timber]

Orrrr, you put in one shot, have to wait for the intra-clip, and the enemy is back in cover

[high anvil]

If they’re sitting in the open maybe, then they deserve it. Otherwise plenty of times you trade one shot for one which isn’t in your favour

[rigid thunder]

and congratulations if you've fired only 1 shot, you're met with a 23s reload, giving you an effective DPM of under 900. SO broken amirite

[onyx sluice]

Because that is what is broken? You get 3 shots or 2 or sometimes 4 for the enemies 1.

[high anvil]

And if that happens you probably outplayed your opponent

[rigid thunder]

and can you do that all the time? It takes SKILL and good positioning to pull that off. Game mechanics which award SKILL are not broken at all, that's exactly how games are supposed to work.

[high anvil]

I just don’t get how you can make such a blanket statement about autoloaders when the same category includes like, the 50b and the freaking Gravedigger

[rigid thunder]

gravedigger oh no, the smasher but it takes an eternity to get the same alpha damage

[violet timber]

GD is a different breed

[onyx sluice]

Rewarding skill and not having any counter play are 2 different things.

An Emil having to find a ridge line to sit behind doesn't take that much skill.

[violet timber]

The counter play is pushing the autoloader while it's reloading

[rigid thunder]

Except it has extremely easy counterplay?

a) Don't peek the emil for 6 whole damn seconds lmfao
b) that's it

[fast compass]

Sad but hilarious

[rigid thunder]

you're saying as if you feel an innate duty to feed your HP to the emil in it's literal strongest position, and somehow that's the fault of autoloaders being broken and not you playing poorly?

[onyx sluice]

And getting shot by the rest of the team?

Did you know even when the Emil is reloading my VK will only get off a single shell due to its 15.6 reload?

[violet timber]

Just peek over the ridgeline, put a shot in, and go back.

Also the VK has armor to bounce plenty of shots

[onyx sluice]

Emil has reticle calibration, it can easily shoot at my very large weak points.

[violet timber]

Angle. Also, if you're in a VK, you shouldn't be challenging a ridgeline

[onyx sluice]

Angling doesn't help sadly, the huge lower plate can never bounce. And that huge tumor on the top of the turret....

Yeah I would love to get in a strong side scraping position in my VK but unfortunately on many maps you're either abandoned because the teams all want to push the medium side or get abused in chat for being a noob.

[violet timber]

I’m pretty sure angling helps lol, and if you’re side scraping like you’re supposed to, you don’t have to worry about the lower plate

[ancient iron]

wowzas.... granted I got lots of x5s but I've managed 30k XP on my JPanther in only a handful of battles

tbh I kinda like the JPanther... I might hang onto it when I move on up to the JPII

[violet timber]

It is rather strong

[ancient iron]

in t8 it struggles but no worse than any other deec t7

[onyx sluice]

Sure would be nice if the map design allowed for just as many viable side scraping positions as hull down ones... Oh wait.

Re-read the second paragraph of my reply.

[violet timber]

If you have a problem finding side scraping positions, that's a problem. They're all over the place, and not that hard to find

[onyx sluice]

Sure. Plenty of places to side scrape on middleburg if you're not on the hill.

But guess where many teams push?

[violet timber]

You can hide your lower plate on the hill lol

[onyx sluice]

When I eventually get there sure. But in the hills hulldown tanks always have the advantage, not to mention flanking is rather easy for mediums.

[hollow moth]

Tiger 1 armor is overrated.
It's the first trully heavy tank from Germany, but yet, only actually good until 1943.

First of all, it could be penetrated frontally at even slightly long ranges by any Soviet SPG, and furthermore, even Hellcats, Fireflys and T-34-85 could do this ar shorter ranges.

The sides were always a weakness, by 1944 the Russians did tests with their 45mm AT gun at the sides of Tiger 1. All of the shots were successful penetrations at short range.

[violet timber]

You can still angle your turret and keep it very strong

[onyx sluice]

The cheeks are butter for gold ammo.

[violet timber]

Now I know this may sound crazy, but you can angle

[strange thicket]

you will never get out of this limbo with your mindset. instead of trying to improve you have only set yourself to blame arbitrary factors. you choose your own fights, you are the one who allows an emil to farm you off a ridge line by going in its way.

[onyx sluice]

Turret ring. Cupola.

I have the E100, you really think I don't angle my turrets?

[violet timber]

Move back and forth, wiggle. Don’t make yourself a still target and you’ll bounce

[plucky summit]

Acting like a heavy should have no weakspots to enemy prammo xD

[ancient iron]

OOF nothing like a 0 damage 0 XP (didn't spot anything I guess) 17k credit loss to remind you the JPanther might be good but it is not great (RNGsus decided all my shots would miss by a mile despite fully aimed) question... is the 88mm more accurate?

[plucky summit]

JPanther is great lol <3

[violet timber]

STA-1 is better <3

[ancient iron]

oof that 105 mm is actually REALLY accurate... .-. no idea why I missed those... I aimed em in as much as I could for moving targets.... .-.

[plucky summit]

RNG said no, just brush it off and have a good day

[violet timber]

It happens sometimes, just don’t get frustrated

[ancient iron]

rng has very little wiggle room to say no there tho

welp nothing quite like that.... a very very bad game then the next one... a VERY good game....

also WOOT last of my any tank x5s for that

12k XP now I am in spitting distance (not really but over 4/7ths the way) to the JP2

[plucky summit]

You should cherish the JPanther

JPanther II isn’t as forgiving

[latent ermine]

is the kpfpz 70 good?

[onyx sluice]

Its decent enough when hulldown.

[hexed flax]

any recommended line to research next? i already done France TD and LT, t62, is7, obj 268,e100, vk72, e50m, jge100, progetto, vickers, yoh, sheri

[drifting grove]

It's a solid hulldowner.

[onyx sluice]

E3.

[scarlet kernel]

One of the EU line

[latent ermine]

ok

which is better k-91 or kpfpz 70

[drifting grove]

No idea, honestly.
I'd say they're equally good?

[latent ermine]

hm

[copper swan]

Hatch
lower plate
right drive wheel

[lyric copper]

angle a bit more sharply and RDS weakness disappears

plus if you’re sidescraping the lower plate is gone

the only major weakness then would be the turret ring

[copper swan]

Play VK 100.01 P like Tiger P
sidescrape to the right to hide the hatch in the left and the bottom glacis

[rigid thunder]

sidescraping in a tiger P is an absolute no-no though, the side is far too weak

On the other hand, the vk 100 is the best tank at tier 8 for overangling the side armour to bait shots

[strange thicket]

K91

[latent ermine]

sad

[strange thicket]

kpf 70 is also workable
but the k-91 is better

[steep canyon]

Well those tanks with turrets at the back has a very big flaws such as poor gun depression

And u cant peek under during hull down on maps such as Castilla at the castle area were commonly taken by MT so dont do hull down on K-91

[thorny smelt]

Yeah. You need to angle just to utilize that gun depression.

[steep canyon]

Yep

[thorny smelt]

A good example is the VK 90.01 P. It has 10 degrees of gun depression, at least on paper. But this won't happen frontally because of the position of the turret unless it is at the front.

[lyric copper]

K-91 in blitz does hulldown fine, it’s mid turreted

[raw tusk]

What’s a fun tank line to geind?

I already have Sheridan 57 heavy m 6 yoh grille 62a bat chat and Tvp

[hexed flax]

how to play m41d?, got the tanks from the crate, i buy crates because i got 4 gold charms so i thought yeah just spend 1500 golds for 3 collect em all container because even tho i don't get tanks i still have 1000 golds back from gold charms, but well played wg i got m41d from the first container

[raw tusk]

Play it like the bulldog it is faster and has more dpm and it has a very juicy he damage

[drifting grove]

Vickers Light, 60TP, AMX 50B, Obj268.

[hexed flax]

isnt he thing is german bulldog ones?

[raw tusk]

It is also in the m41d but unlike the black dog it doesn’t have very high pen he

260 he damage with 42 mm of pen

While the black dog has 320 he damage with 102 mm of pen

[past fractal]

Yolo in M41D

So that no more cancer

[fast compass]

Have you played the tech tree bulldog? Because m41d is just ever so slightly better than it, playstyle remains the same.

Considering you are asking the question I doubt you did. In short, do a spotting run like any light in the beginning. Wait for your enemies to engage with your meds and heavies. Use you speed to gain little bit of distance, poke when no one is looking at you and whittle down the enemies. Try your best not to bleed hit points. In the end game, use you mobility and the hit points you conserved to kill isolated enemies. there really isn't much to it

[silent light]

I play emil 2 as a meatshield in tier 10 match

How to play it effectively in tier 10 match

[fast compass]

Don't expect to bounce in tier 10 and you will do fine. Treat it like a slow french heavy. Sit at a Ridgeline let other heavies tank shells and drop our clips in

[silent light]

Ok

[real plover]

Just researched the Jageroo. Any tips on how to play it? If not I can just watch Fatness’s video

[thorny smelt]

Hide the lower plate. It is quite sluggish so you can play as a support. Snipe if you can.

[real plover]

K thanks

[worn skiff]

What happens when you enrich a tank? Is it worth it to do?

[open cedar]

Depends really. If u really like the tank and play it a lot then yeah it's fine to enrich but it's better to save for a premium tank.

As to what it does, it basically makes ur tech tree tank like a premium tank to make more credits

[real plover]

I recommend doing that on tier 8s or lower because you can only temporarily enrich 9s and 10s and it’s insanely expensive

You’re able to permanently enrich tier 8s and below which costs a lot but is worth it. You can only temporarily enrich a tier 9 or 10 before you have to do it again and even then it’s insanely expensive

[shell robin]

since no one have me any tips last night, maybe now will be better. Does anyone have tips on the Churchill VII?

[drifting grove]

Frontline so you can use your dpm.
Sidescrape.

[shell robin]

how do I use my dpm with a medium tank gun?

[drifting grove]

Try to make sure you always have targets to shoot at and keep shooting.
Same for the Black Prince.

[shell robin]

even if they bounce or ricochet?

[drifting grove]

Your reload speed will compensate for misses and non-penetrations.

[shell robin]

so like apply suppressing fire? how much ammo do you get in the tank?

[drifting grove]

More than enough, that's for certain.

[shell robin]

i'd like a number. because 20 shells is more than enough for a scout

[drifting grove]

You can also try perma-tracking enemy tanks.
Use your fast reload to keep enemy tanks permanently tracked.

[drifting grove]

80-100.
I don't remember exactly.

[shell robin]

is 148 pen enough to fit the job? or should I look to the premium instead?

[drifting grove]

148mm of penetration is decent at Tier VI.
Carry plenty of premium ammo and use calibrated shells.

[hard cedar]

cali won't really make a big difference on bp

[shell robin]

doesn't help that we're talking about the churchill VII, not the bp.

[drifting grove]

I don't remember what I used on the BP.
It's been more than two months since I used it, but I do remember that it's the only tank on which I had a Unicum WN8.

[hard cedar]

oh oops, but cali won't help much on churchill either

[shell robin]

idk how cali can help a churchill if it can't help a bp

[hard cedar]

I said it won't help

[drifting grove]

But I remember they did have decent pen for their tier, so no problems, I think.

IRL, the 17-Pounder was known for killing Tiger tanks.

[shell robin]

idk how to face heavily armored tanks with 148mm pen, since I don't normally make enough creds per battle to use premium shells

[drifting grove]

Keep a premium tank to farm credits and don't be afraid to spam prammo and lose credits.
I carry 18 HEAT on the M-VI-Yoh (3.6k each), and I often just spam them.

[shell robin]

neither of my prems are good credit earners, and none of the premiums i've ever had can be called credit earners. maybe one of the tier 8s from the blitz cup will work

[drifting grove]

Which ones do you have?

[shell robin]

currently, T14 and Pz V/IV. I can restore tog, pudel, loza, su-122-44, AC IV, and Excelsior

[drifting grove]

I've grinded over 10M credits on the Pudel.
You don't need something with 170% CC to earn.

[kindred wren]

You can grind any number of credits on any tank. That‘s not really the issue, the question is rather how much you get per battle given a specific setup

[shell robin]

a good battle will give me 40k in a T14. half that in a V/IV. but there's some tanks I have in tier 6, like the 1S, where I can win a battle and do top 3, and still lose a couple thousand

Vk is like that too.

I just don't have credit earning tanks

[alpine heart]

Swedish or Italian tanks? Which is better??

[kindred wren]

Well, you can also declare a tech tree tank as your credit grinding tank. I generally recommending playing a tank you like in tier seven to eight with a permanent camo and as few/ cheap consumables and provisions as possible to grind credits

Or, if you can afford it, a strong tier eight premium

[kindred wren]

Both are strong

[shell robin]

would ax, prog, or cent raac count as a "strong tier 8 premium"?

[kindred wren]

Yes, all three count as strong, though the AX is commonly considered as overhyped

[alpine heart]

What would you recommend and why??

[shell robin]

it's probably the one i'll pick. tbh, after finishing the japanese tree, I can certainly tell you, i'm no medium tanker

[kindred wren]

I would actually recommend the Italian tanks because I find the lacking mobility of the Swedish heavies to be annoying and I don‘t have any issues with poor armour

Italians for mobility, short(er) reload, and accuracy
Swedish for turret armour, clip potential, and op consumables

(Those attributes are always in comparison with the other)

[alpine heart]

Thanks. I think I'll choose the Italian tanks. I already have the Yoh line so I might as well choose the Italian mediums I guess.

[kindred wren]

I believe them to be a good choice, especially for players who enjoy gameplay revolving around good positioning

[tropic crest]

it also depends on how you like to play, you like being fast/fun or get those sweet JUICY stats

[kindred wren]

The low alpha might haunt you in that case

[kindred wren]

Yeah, undeniably

[alpine heart]

Honestly I like them both xD

[tropic crest]

nice

[alpine heart]

Only ones I have a bad affinity at are TDs

[kindred wren]

sad AT noises

[alpine heart]

I like how the AT is literally a fortress, but the gun tho. It feels like I have the smallest pp in the game

But then again, I have not tried the higher tier ATs so I guess I could be wrong

[kindred wren]

I mean if you stop at tier eight you won‘t miss anything amazing

The AT15 is probably the best of the bunch, and the Tortoise is probably the most… challenge-providing

183 is just big boom and not much else

[alpine heart]

I guess once I reach T7 in italian tanks, I'll try giving my Ats a try again

[kindred wren]

They aren‘t for everyone, but maybe you‘ll get along with them

[ancient iron]

anyone find the JPanther low rolls a lot?

[plucky summit]

Just bad luck <3

[ancient iron]

holy cow I can FINALLY get the x2 on my JPanther lol

[plucky summit]

If you give me the replay of low rolls I can study :p

[ancient iron]

tbf it is probably a normal number of low rolls but I consistently low roll on clutch shots .-.

[plucky summit]

Yup, just back luck <3

[ancient iron]

top of the team by damage in a t8 battle was defs a nice feeling

[kindred wren]

Relatable

I just realised that I can benefit from flexes simply by saying „Relatable“ to indicate that I do or experience the same things

[ancient iron]

tbf I also last night had a 0 damage 0 XP game... so I defs am not an amazing player... that top by damage was likely more luck than judgment...

[lucid kelp]

the tortoise has no reason to exist aprt for being the worst version of a jagdtiger

[shell robin]

in that case, neither does the doom turtle.

[violet timber]

T95 has much more frontal armor and a 155mm gun, the tort has meh but a rather good gun that’s about equally effective as the T95’s 155mm

[neat nimbus]

men i want buy a legendary camo is all what i have of gold

[steep canyon]

T95 is also 1 of the slowest tank in the game which means it can get flanked easier like its little brother the T28 both are same slow and super slow

[violet timber]

And tort is faster?

[steep canyon]

Both are almost same speed but y'know i forgot to check the Tortoise is same slow avg speed

[violet timber]

Tort also doesn’t have the angling T95 has on its sides

[steep canyon]

So for me its worst bcs u cant angle it

And the Deathstar is better than tort bcs it has a veryy big gun

On a Ru 251 i dont want to fight a T95 and tort bcs how thick their armor are and the Deathstar bcs its huge gun and has capability to one shot me

[violet timber]

May I present to you all, the ultimate tank.

200mm of all around armor protection, most of it angled upwards of 60 degrees. The tracks are super thick so that can't be broken, because nobody likes broken tracks.

A monstrous 1,666 horsepower engine giving it a p/w ration of 14.5 hp/t (Because it weighs 114.57 tons. Armor is not light.)

An incredible 110mm gun, because why not. Also 8 degrees of gun depression, because it wasn't strong enough yet.

[safe cedar]

Is it in crates only?

[violet timber]

Ummmm yeah sure, .0000000never00000001 drop chance.

The goal was to create an incredibly cursed tank, and my first thought was “But what if it was short?”

[hard cedar]

Impressive.

[violet timber]

Ignore that fact that to fire from the side the turret would go through the tracks, spatial manipulation or smth idk

[safe cedar]

How much are crates?

[violet timber]

A lot, probably

[safe cedar]

Do I have to buy keys to unlock crates.

[violet timber]

Nah

Ladies and gentlemen, may I present to you a cry for help A tank so strong, it shall never be defeated. It is 6 whole meters tall.

It has a 250mm gun, because it can.

The sides are 200mm thick, perfect for side scraping. The turret has a strong mantlet, and is angled well, meaning you can hull down effectively.

It has a whole 7 hp/t ratio, because it weight 238.48 tons. Despite being heavier than a Maus, and having a worse p/w ratio, it still manages to go 30kph!

With the tank being rather thin, it can effectively hide itself on the ground! (I did not mess up trying to find the top speed of this thing, I promise)

[safe cedar]

I want this.

[neat nimbus]

if i ever get this on blitz hope can fit a good camo on it

[violet timber]

It’s coming on Black Friday

[neat nimbus]

it can be equipped with camo?

[violet timber]

I dunno

[neat nimbus]

if not is not of my taste the tank thats why i sold the eagle 7

cuz i wanted put a two scheme camo on it

[safe cedar]

Any idea of what tanks are coming black Friday.

[violet timber]

T54E2, Raum, and something else

[neat nimbus]

i guess i buy a legendary camo in black friday

[violet timber]

Ew stalwart

[neat nimbus]

or this one

or this one

men i cant wait to buy one of those

unless i get a promo of discount

ok this one won

should i buy it or not

[scarlet kernel]

How about black friday? Do you still have gold for it?

[neat nimbus]

ms-1's down special

[limber cloud]

Ms-1 tuned

[neat nimbus]

i have 1377 of gold

[limber cloud]

The ms-1 setback must be 1 kilometer

[neat nimbus]

up special be like: thrust

[limber cloud]

Nice to use in space

[neat nimbus]

down air: maus. that was if ms-1 was in super smash

[limber cloud]

Petition for MS-1 to enter smash Bros

[neat nimbus]

yeah as a joke fighter cuz is funny and its moves can be based on that april's fool video wg posted

[limber cloud]

Yea

[neat nimbus]

maybe i wait until black friday cuz maybe i buy a camo

[limber cloud]

For which tank?

[neat nimbus]

tiger 2 or pantera 44

or any tier 8 tank if offer pops up

[limber cloud]

Tiger II

[neat nimbus]

so i use the discount? i could get the morpho camo if i watch ads

but then i need wi fi for everyday

[limber cloud]

use

[neat nimbus]

the reason i want buy is because is historical

[limber cloud]

It's a beautiful camouflage

[neat nimbus]

here goes nothing this is gonna be great

[limber cloud]

Comprar

Do it

[neat nimbus]

looks great and more with the pumpkin

[limber cloud]

It's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen

[neat nimbus]

i have a very soft spot for the king tiger was my first tier 8 to research

and since was buffed and loved by wg i wanted to give a gift for staying in my garage

[limber cloud]

I lost my account with Tiger II

[twin kite]

guy is T-43 good?

[limber cloud]

Average

[twin kite]

idk T-43 or IS or AMX M4 45

[limber cloud]

IS is better

[twin kite]

ik am maxed IS anyway

i feel dumb that sold Vk 168.01 (P) for IS 3 lmao

[limber cloud]

You can go to support to recover, just have enough credits

[twin kite]

ah yes T-43 speedy

[limber cloud]

And DPM

[neat nimbus]

i love my lion

[twin kite]

yea

[limber cloud]

Perfect

[twin kite]

wow

[neat nimbus]

i hope more historicals camos come into the game cuz i like more realistic camos

[twin kite]

my account very broke

[limber cloud]

The camouflage of the VK 72 is beautiful

[twin kite]

um

[neat nimbus]

get the reference i put this camo for a very reason of it

[limber cloud]

It's happened about 5 times with me

[twin kite]

it pain feeling

when did my Kv1s reached 991 battles

[neat nimbus]

i need grind more credits

[limber cloud]

I had 500 battle with KV-2 on my old account

[neat nimbus]

cuz i need a new tank

[twin kite]

man these player in WOTB very rude with my SU 152

[limber cloud]

We all need new Tanks

[twin kite]

weeewoooo

[limber cloud]

I had to play with the Obj 268 stock because I didn't have enough credits

[twin kite]

stoc

i remember am ammoracked Rhm with vk 168.01 that was so epic

800 HP: adios

[limber cloud]

I managed to get 0 credits and somehow after midnight WG gave me 16k credits

[plucky summit]

Can you elaborate? I want to explain what happened

[plucky summit]

I mean when you can take off at least 50% of everyone's HP in one shot, I'm sure people won't be so nice

[twin kite]

oh i see

[plucky summit]

Trust me, the SU-152 is no joke. I carried 4 teammates who did 0 damage with it

[limber cloud]

I ran out of money to fix the obj 268 After a few hours they appear out of nowhere 16k credit

[plucky summit]

You did nothing before then?

[limber cloud]

I did nothing

[plucky summit]

Is there a receipt in the news tab, if so, can you show me?

[limber cloud]

It's been a few months I can't show

[plucky summit]

Oh, I assume it could have been a mission reward, or a daily container

Maybe a tank was in battle when you left, and came out of battle with profit

[limber cloud]

The tank looked like it was wrecked in the garage, I had already picked up my daily rewards a few hours earlier

[plucky summit]

Oh well, without the means to investigate, I cannot give you a certainty

[limber cloud]

Ok

[twin kite]

T-43 or IS my brain going explode

T-43 speed and good pen i guess

[open cedar]

The t43 is a tank I loved playing when grinding it. The IS not so but when u have a fully upgraded IS its quite fun. But run the IS with 100mm gun the 122 is good but the reload is a little long in my opinion.

At the end of the day it depends on what u want to get really. The IS7 or the t62a and obj140.

Just a heads up the IS3 is kinda a terrible without it's top gun. The t44 is okay stock.

[twin kite]

okay

[neat nimbus]

i want this as attachement for every tank in the game

[tepid geyser]

how about no

[neat nimbus]

and realistic attachments? (built-in in legendary camos)

[open cedar]

Anyone got tips on how to play the t54

[pallid moss]

dont know about T43, but im using IS. It has its own down sides but that 400 alpha is just sooo satisfying

its good on mobility, doesnt feel sluggish, but armor profile is not that good. so i would go for 122mm gun

[twin kite]

IS am fully upgrade

and i made it 12,6 secs reload lmao so epic

[trail orchid]

Kinda new to the game been playing it about 4/5 months so still basically a "noob" in most people's eyes ,so I thought I would give these crates a try and I ended up getting the super conquerer,t22 med and a Chinese tier 10 med ,in one batch of 13 crates and 1 of 5 crates ,I think that's decent although not played any of the tanks yet

[kindred wren]

Yeah, that‘s an exceptionally rare result

[lyric copper]

when top tier try to bully other mediums

when equal tier exert caution

when downtiered play support and get ready to load more HEAT shells

[open cedar]

Aite thx

[steep canyon]

I better say that if u like more damage and derp u better taje the IS, if u like speed u better take the T-43 its good for support tank and flanking if u know how to play it

[steep canyon]

And IS-3 tank can be a painful stock grind for the stock gun

[steep canyon]

Thats lucky, well i dont get those tanks bcs i always getting some useless certs

[pallid moss]

im going through that rn ;-;

[steep canyon]

Its kinda Painful on Soviet HTs

[pallid moss]

soviet accuracy is just sooo bad

[steep canyon]

Like KV-1S its kinda painful bcs of the very low alpha dmg and long rld for the gun

[pallid moss]

if u wanna hit unless u take some time aiming in, its not gonna hit

[steep canyon]

Yep its made for close encounter battle

[pallid moss]

close support, i guess

[steep canyon]

Yes

Thats why i dont want a Soviet HTs

[pallid moss]

mobility-wise they are good
im tier8 at IS line and tiger line, grinding both at same time
and i can feel the difference in their mobility

[steep canyon]

Well my story is a bit different, i grind for the Leopard line but it skilled hands only but i love it

And i am still a bit new with less than 5k of battles with 3k battles

[pallid moss]

huh?
im at 1.1k battles, i guess unless someone is at 10k battles they are still new?

[steep canyon]

I think they are not bcs ppl with 5-10k of battles ut means they are the skilled player

[pallid moss]

10k battles are enough for being skilled lol

[steep canyon]

Yep but the minimum is 5k battles

To be skilled hands

[trail orchid]

@kindred wren not sure I am ready to playing tier 9/10 yet I have grinded a few lines up to there and undecided which tanks to go for,I do prefer playing meds

[steep canyon]

Same but i recommend u starters to play heavy tank lines

[blissful hamlet]

Dpm is low bcz is a t6 with a high caliber gun, but at t9 and t10 the dpm of the soviet heavies is good

[steep canyon]

But on KV-3 line that thing is very painfull stock grind

[blissful hamlet]

IS-4 line is painfull

[open cedar]

The stock kv3 wasn't that bad. But the kv4 on the other hand

[thorny smelt]

The stock config is ALWAYS painful

[steep canyon]

Yep thats why u have to grind both line in same time

[open cedar]

ideally u would want to get to the IS-8 since it has the same gun as the IS4 n ST1. since the kv4 is a chore to grind, i personally feel its better to grind the tanks in the IS7 line first then go for the tanks in the IS4 line since the guns are interchangeable. everything u will just have to grind.

[hexed flax]

should i sell all my collector tanks so i get atleast "ammunition" for black friday? i rarely play my collector tanks, and if i sell all of it ill get 2500 gold

[plucky summit]

You probably shouldn't unless you see your dream tank within reach of your 2500 gold, which I doubt

[plucky summit]

@kindred wren I have made an advancement.
40mm tracks vs a 105mm doesn't mean anything

[violet timber]

Why are penetration mechanics so weird

[plucky summit]

My theory has been disproven, though

My theory was that because the shell "overmatched" the tracks, it kept the 3CR pass or ignored the test of it to try to penetrate the main armor plate anyways

Either way, the shell never ricochets unless it simply cannot penetrate the armor, normalization occurs still

[violet timber]

So it does a 3cr check on the tracks, then does another check on the main armor?

[plucky summit]

No, it ignores both, as of our information this morning
It simply has to hit the tracks or spaced armor to literally ignore all pen mechanics against it

[violet timber]

That’s… odd?

My assumption would’ve been it did a check against the tracks then another against the main armor

[kindred wren]

I actually spoke to the main designer behind WoTInspector

[plucky summit]

:O
What did he saided

[kindred wren]

He saided that he changeded it one month ago to better reflect the game, and that Wargaming says it‘s a feature and won‘t say how it works exactly (in the game)

In WoTInspector the 3CR check is simply omitted after hitting tracks (and I guess also spaced armour, didn‘t ask about that)

[plucky summit]

We I thinked we didded finded out how the game worked

[kindred wren]

Nobody is exactly sure how the game works but WoTInspector‘s approach is the best I‘ve seen/ heard so far

[plucky summit]

Alright now Ima test out some spaced armor, see if 40mm of it says no to 105mm

Would like to see any pointers to tanks with 40mm spaced armor plates

I have made advancements

Spaced armor plates that are angled past 70 degrees must be overmatched before the shell passes through

105mm gun fails

130mm gun overmatches and proceeds to penetrate (overmatch, too) the deck

Both are auto-rico, the spaced is overmatched, the main is not, but is penetrated anyways

I believe this is a sufficient summary:

If a shell hits a track before hitting main armor, it will attempt to penetrate that armor plate at any angle, normalization is included

If a shell hits and overmatches a spaced armor plate, the shell will attempt to penetrate the main armor plate at any angle, normalization included

[shell robin]

I now have the credits to rebuy either my churchill VII or my KV-2. it's a tough choice because I hate them both

Do I want terrible pen or terrible reload?

[onyx sluice]

Terrible reload.

[hard cedar]

If you hate both why would you buy em back

[shell robin]

I'm planning on being a heavy main. as much as I hate them, I don't think they're utterly useless. I have my reasons for them, but The KV-2 made me quit the Russians, while the Churchill VII made me quit the British.

[hard cedar]

If you hate them, find a different heavy line/tank to play

[shell robin]

I want to give them a second chance. It's been years since I last played them.

plus, I got some advice for each one, so I feel confident in myself.

[hard cedar]

Well ig kv2 for fun

[shell robin]

Alright. I'll get KV-2 then. Churchill's gonna be worse because I don't think it's a 100 crew

oh yea, one more thing. Do you like high end consumables or consumable delivery system?

I wonder if I should use more he on the KV-2?

[plucky summit]

Have even numbers of shell types, you’re definitely not firing all of them

[muted frost]

E100 Alligator

[onyx sluice]

Wargaming gib.

[tame rapids]

This looks like the kind of tank an eight year old would draw in his maths note book while he was bored

[stone minnow]

Is the 140 getting removed?

[valid gale]

Dunno why they would move a tank that’s been in the game for years and has dedicated camo and attachments for it

[kindred wren]

The answer is no

[wintry orchid]

Get kv. The British heavies are kinda irrelevant

[solid gate]

guys need help RAAC or action X??

[violet timber]

RAAC

[winged adder]

no

[winged adder]

depends on your playstyle both are good

[solid gate]

hmm i see but i think they have both hulldown playstyle right so im kinda cant decide

[winged adder]

id say there are more little nuances to the tanks besides just hull down, IE the cent has some great mobility, but less hull armor, action X has some really good armor but worse mobility than cent. it really depends on how you wanna play, because both of their guns are similar

[solid gate]

i see thanks for explaining it

[winged adder]

no problem both are really fun imo

[drifting nest]

the new tank which will be released into the tech tree is ugly. the LTG

[solid gate]

i see hmm its hard to choose since i dont have all 3 tanks.

[winged adder]

its like a derpy chimera

[drifting nest]

lol, but the turret is just weird, like u trying to make a box and failing so hard

[plucky summit]

The hull is weird too

It only has a LFP, no UFP

[winged adder]

looks like my pro kindergarten tank designs

[drifting nest]

LOOOOL

[plucky summit]

Yeah

[winged adder]

british TDs be like

[drifting nest]

to be honest that looks smexy

[winged adder]

almost as gross as their dental hygiene 🤣

[drifting nest]

lool

[winged adder]

watch me get banned for saying that 💀

[drifting nest]

lol, and me for saying lol to that

[limber cloud]

It looks like something made for pulling leaves from the grass

[plucky summit]

Oh I have a tank for that

[winged adder]

nice pfp bro

[violet timber]

I present the best tank in history

[limber cloud]

amazing all countries should use

[plucky summit]

Hehe derpington

[winged adder]

ah yes look at the perfect angling on the upper hull

[violet timber]

The main strength is the sides, also it can do this

[winged adder]

it can use ridges extremely effectively because it fell over

[plucky summit]

Yes.

[violet timber]

It’s a boat

[plucky summit]

It used to be a good idea

[kindred wren]

That‘s… fabulous

[winged adder]

me after finals week

[violet timber]

I present the better pancake

[winged adder]

E25 mk2

[limber cloud]

war table

[plucky summit]

Ah yes, the good old days

[violet timber]

Jesus Christ

[limber cloud]

💯

[winged adder]

you drew the armor profiles 💀 💀 💀

[limber cloud]

"who needs angled armor?"

[shell robin]

reminds me of how someone described the french in ww1: when hotels go to war

[plucky summit]

I did that for like 1020+ tanks lol

[limber cloud]

Lol

[plucky summit]

You know, all of these

Not to mention the other two images like this

[kindred wren]

I made a tank as well 👀

[violet timber]

I make tanks, just in Sprocket

[plucky summit]

Ok cutie

[kindred wren]

❤️

[violet timber]

That’s a pretty thicc turret

[plucky summit]

Jagdtiger + Ho-Ri I

[kindred wren]

The turret isn‘t fixed, just really low

[plucky summit]

• Pz. II J

[kindred wren]

Lol

[limber cloud]

Challenger 1 dwarf

[shell robin]

How does sprocket work? are there national parts in the game. (like 17pdr or 88 kwk l/56)

[kindred wren]

No, it works by giving you a few preset edges that you can move around to create certain angles and shapes

[solid gate]

Is that LTG even real? I mean there is a blueprint or WG just created it? It's pretty damn crazy.

[shell robin]

Wg creation. every russian light from tier 7 to 10 are WG make ups

[kindred wren]

According to WG it made it into the design stages

A project for a light tank developed by Gavalov at the Gorky Automobile Plant in 1944. Several extremely unusual design solutions were used for the vehicle: a driver sat in the fighting compartment, and his observation device was installed in the hatch at the turret top. The device was synchronized with the driver's station and rotated with the seat against the turret. The project was discontinued at the development stage.

[shell robin]

according to WG, all of their tanks existed

[kindred wren]

Let them dream

[shell robin]

I wish my dreams came true...

[solid gate]

People have endless imagination. I thought STG or LT-432 are unbelievable.

I had a dream about a zombie apocalypse so now I don't want it to happen.

[kindred wren]

Many Russian designs are simply impossible and wishful thinking, which is why all the ‚strong‘ Russian tanks never made it to mass production

[solid gate]

Well Maus is also the one, but it's not so strong. Irl u would stop after few hundred metres.

[shell robin]

the O-I would sink like a meter into the ground

[solid gate]

True

[worn skiff]

I’m on the 50tp and I’ve noticed that the penetration is pretty bad for standard ammo even with composite shells. Does the low penetration theme continue for the 60tp? Are there any strong heavies with really solid pen? I just don’t want to spam premium the whole time

[limber cloud]

Petition for WG to add Japanese heavy line

[forest badger]

please

[warm leaf]

Should I sell Titan H-N for getting the St. Emil?

[limber cloud]

Titan H-N is bad

[plucky summit]

It's balanced, so it's fine

[limber cloud]

Meh

[plucky summit]

Wahh wahh it's not OP so it's bad

Btw WG won't add the Jap heavies, too extreme for Blitz

[forest badger]

its skill dependent

[limber cloud]

Japanese line is kind of abandoned by WG

[plucky summit]

I mean, they still have their barebone strengths

[forest badger]

They focus on other trees like the EU and Russia and poor japan has 2 lines of tankss

[plucky summit]

What do you suggest they add that isn't the Japanese heavy line?

[forest badger]

idk tds

[plucky summit]

They have TDs, nice fake ones too

[limber cloud]

Not all Japanese Td's are fake

[forest badger]

I just barrel stuffed an m8a1 with the alecto

And well i meant a few more instead of just 4

[plucky summit]

Well, I'd be happy to review the ones you're thinking of =)

[violet timber]

Japan really didn't make that many tanks

[charred vigil]

if not japanese heavies make up a completely new and fake line of japanese light tanks or something

[shell robin]

they had enough tds to make an entire line for (tier 1-10) and they mucked that up.

Ho-Ro, Ji-Ro-Sha, Na-To, Ho-Ni I, II, and III, Ho-To

[shell robin]

The Japanese Heavy Line

[past fractal]

Strv 103B line with their respective travel/siege modes of combat

Why not it honestly looks interesting

[rigid thunder]

They've already said it didn't fit wotb's gamestyle, and have no future plans of adding it at all

[past fractal]

Bruh

[shell robin]

Since when were snipers not wotb's gamestyle?

[rigid thunder]

snipers are part of wotb, but tanks with siege mode and incapable of doing nothing but sniping are absolutely not with wotb's gamestyle.
Take a TD and play it by doing nothing but sniping and I guarantee you'll lose 60% of your games

[shell robin]

we have a line that literally is the swedish td without the siege mode. Did you forget that the Grille 15 line is in the game?

[rigid thunder]

did you forget the grille 15 has extremely good mobility and can easily be played aggressively?

[shell robin]

how in the hell is a tank that is a sniper, in a line entirely full of unarmored snipers, can be played aggressively? the Leopard (tier 5) has good mobility, and I sure wouldn't want to brawl in it. let alone anything aggressive

[past fractal]

You do know the high tier tanks on strv 103b line has a choice of combat of either a speedy tank or a tank with gun depression but low speed?

[rigid thunder]

becuase it has good mobility and a very potent gun? If the only plays you know are
a) sniping, and b) playing like a HT then I'm fairly confident that you don't actually know how to play the game all that well. TDs are fully capable of leaving their sniping positions early-mid game to support their flanks, and the grille is very good at that because it's extremely fast and the gun has very good DPM, along with a great aimtime

[past fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-tanks-wot-battle-tank-tanks-gif-22482348

Thats siege mode

[rigid thunder]

you clearly don't play wotpc
Swedish TDs outside of siege mode are incapable of moving the gun up and down, and have horrendous bloom and dispersion

[past fractal]

I dont, but I get the general idea of it

[shell robin]

next you'll be telling us that the LTG can brawl no problem.

[rigid thunder]

ah sure I'll tell you an unreleased light tank can brawl

[shell robin]

clearly you don't play pc either

[rigid thunder]

sadly I do

[steep canyon]

Well i do play the PC one

[past fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/strv-stridsvagn-103-strv103-sunday-gif-22711245

[shell robin]

then you should know the LTG can't brawl

[steep canyon]

But i have a tier 4

[rigid thunder]

and why would I suddenly be talking about wotpc with you when we were clearly talking about german TDs in wotb?

[shell robin]

because I don't recall playstyles changing between wotb and wotpc

@steep canyon Jpanther

[steep canyon]

Ok ok back to the topic, so can i take the JPanther line or the Sturer Emil?

[rigid thunder]

Except they do, have you even taken a look at the differences between tanks

Also @steep canyon whichever line you feel like going down

[past fractal]

JPanther line if you wanna seal club, Sturer Emil leads to waffentragger which is a good tier 9 tank

[steep canyon]

And JPanther has armor and penetrasion but ST emil is more to a glass canons

[shell robin]

ok, so how does the playstyle of the Grille 15 differ between pc and b?

[hollow notch]

light tanks go brrr

[steep canyon]

Both have paper armor in PC and the Blitz

[rigid thunder]

you literally can't take the grille 15 anywhere outside of a bush in wotpc since it has 0 protection against clickers and HE shells. Intuition being as it is now, and the HE rework only makes paper tanks even more vulnerable

in wotb though, spall liner combined with smaller maps and no clickers allows you to get much closer and make aggressive plays in a paper TD without too much fear of getting griefed

and I am absolutely not saying you should take your grille 15 with the heavies at the start of the battle, that's an easy way to die with 0 damage

[steep canyon]

Well those Waffentragger tanks are made for campers so my advice while playing those tanks dont rush or u will get yourself an HE spam

[hollow notch]

don't mind me proxy spotting with my wt all the time

[thick trout]

a man of culture

[steep canyon]

Thats why i said to not buy those Waffentraggers for starters because its realy made for skilled

[twin kite]

should i grind Poland line guy?

[hollow notch]

Ya, solid line tier 8 and up

[steep canyon]

Suree if u like the frontline tactic for those heavies

[shell robin]

so spall liner doesn't work in pc, yet is magic in b? idk what you mean by clicker, and don't call me dumb because you're the first person I've seen use that.
then why are you saying you can be aggressive in a grille? being with the heavies is being aggressive. I'm not being specific either, I mean being with the heavies whenever and however.

[twin kite]

aight ill grind Poland

[outer perch]

It's op tank

[rigid thunder]

clicker is common wot terminology for artillery lmao

vvvv my thoughts exactly

[hollow notch]

Have you gotten past tier 1 in wotpc?

[twin kite]

i like heavy line alots e

[steep canyon]

Ik but its weak spot is like no armor the only good thing is the gun

[outer perch]

Yeah,but camo rating is excellent

[shell robin]

i'm at tier 7 rn

[hollow notch]

And you don't know what a clicker is?

[rigid thunder]

.......and you're lecturing me on how I have no idea how wotpc works.........

[twin kite]

first i need to buy 40PT

[steep canyon]

And the Deathstar can pen HE too

Even a Foch 155 can one clip a Grile 15 with HE

[rigid thunder]

the foch 155 can't clip a grille 15 anymore, that was quite some time ago

[shell robin]

I've never heard the term till now

@rigid thunder i'm lecturing you for bs, now how pc works. ik you know how it works, but you're literally saying that a tank who's only stat change in pc is having consumables can brawl in b, yet can't brawl in pc

[outer perch]

No,spall liner makes you not want to risk shooting it with guns simmilar to foch
With HE

[hard cedar]

Not sniping doesn't mean brawling bruh, I swear every person I talk to about not sniping in tds 24/7 says the same thing

[rigid thunder]

oh my god spall liner, smaller maps, more cover, no clickers

[shell robin]

he's saying you can be agressive in a paper armor tank and have no issues in blitz

@rigid thunder so you brawl in mines on pc? omfg you are going in circles here

[hard cedar]

yes, you can. and you took that to mean "brawling" which it isn't

how am I going in circles, I'm not even talking about pc I'm talking specifically about blitz

[shell robin]

not you

[hollow notch]

The only time I'm sniping in a td
other than occasionally corner camping in a 183 for comedy
Is when I'm centered of the map and the enemies are still in their spawn

[hard cedar]

I love it when the enemy sits in their spawn the whole game

[shell robin]

don't we all?

[rigid thunder]

epic strawman, let's list out that one horribly designed map to refute this guy's point

[hard cedar]

op

[shell robin]

let's also list out how different consumables, the lack of one type of person, and an extra bush on each map equates to being aggressive in a tank with no armor. Like I said, I'm goin off about clear bs

[hollow notch]

Imagine thinking you can't be aggressive on tanks without armor

[shell robin]

next you'll be telling me you can snipe in a KV-2 using the 152

[hollow notch]

No, that is insanely stupid

[rigid thunder]

"extra bush on each map"
look at the differences between the 2 games more clearly, because you haven't played enough of one

1. spall liner reduces HE damage by 20%. Why is this so important? Because A) HE shells in wotb typically bring a smaller alpha damage increase compared to how much HE shells bring in Wotpc, meaning that with spall liner, you get punished a whole lot less for making a mistake, and some tanks will even deal less damage to you with HE, which obviously greatly increases survivability
2. maps on WOTB are significantly smaller, and have much more cover (no prokorovkha, no malinovka), and allow for aggressive plays as a result
3. arty is fully capable of dealing 1,300 damage to paper TDs, that being absent already boosts survivability
   There, and just saying, I havr 15k battles in wotpc so I do know the stuff I'm talking about

[shell robin]

wow, he has a little common sense

[hollow notch]

M8
You can literally treat the grille like a t49 if you know what you are doing

[valid gale]

It’s infuriating how annoying the grille can be

[rigid thunder]

I'm just gonna drop it because right now, this seems like sending internet messages to a literal wall

[shell robin]

I concur. You just make bs statements over and over. I know about Arty, I know maps in blitz are smaller. and I know spall liner works effectively the same in blitz. Right now, you're trying to feed me bs and call it "expert's advice"

[hollow notch]

Right now I'm looking at noob misconceptions

[shell robin]

meanwhile, I'm looking at someone who apparently treats a sniper like a hit and run tank.

[thick trout]

It has the mobility and gun to do it

[shell robin]

does it have the turret placement and gun limit to do it?

[hollow notch]

Actually yes

[high anvil]

Yes?

[thick trout]

For most people it isn't advisable, but when you get used to the gun angles it's perfectly fine
Who needs turret placement on a hit and run tank lol

[shell robin]

how?

@thick trout who needs a turret in a hit and run tank

[high anvil]

Rear turret, easy enough to peek quick, fire and retreat. If you’re tracking reload on 3-4 tanks it’s not hard to either get shots for free or trade 640 for 350 or something

[thick trout]

If you plan your moves well then you don't

[hollow notch]

Peek
Shoot
Run away

Not a difficult concept

[shell robin]

that's peek a boom, not hit and run. for a not too difficult concept, you did real well mixing that up

[thick trout]

The "running away" bit makes it peek and run, or hit and run...

[shell robin]

he's still peeking

[hollow notch]

Mhm
That generally involves contesting a location

You gotta actually use the "run away" part so you don't get yoloed

[thick trout]

"A triathlon is just a running race"
"But it includes cycling and swimming too"
"Yeah but it includes running"

[steep canyon]

Ok

[shell robin]

a community helper helps the community
but it includes being with the community
yea but it includes helping the community

@hollow notch yea, i'm sure the enemy will give you time to run away at that point

[outer perch]

He didnt tell you to get close to them at distance of 5 milimeters

[shell robin]

he didn't mention a distance either

[rigid thunder]

back to say, that's just common sense~

[thick trout]

So you just make sure you can run away ._.

[outer perch]

You have to determine that yourself by experience and pre planning

[thick trout]

^ which is why it's not generally recommended but is fully possible and actually gives nice results

[outer perch]

But you have to try and eventually u improve

[shell robin]

^^

[shell robin]

explains a lot

[steep canyon]

Lol

[scarlet kernel]

i wonder if there will be a plan to add more ammo type names to the game.

every gameplay aspect stays the same but just rename some of the shells since we have like HVAP, APDS is under APCR and maybe call the name "standard, premium and secondary ammo"

[shell robin]

he would probably be the secondary ammo, so if it did, your ammo idea would technically be "tertiary ammo"

[scarlet kernel]

yep, but i was thinking more to HE being the secondary main shell if you don't have premium

[violet timber]

The system we have now is fine, though I wouldn't mind a renaming of APCR to HVAP to describe the shell type better

[hard cedar]

oh my rat what did I just read

[steep canyon]

So they better ad APDS rounds for tanks with 105 mm gun

[ancient iron]

anyone know the credit coefficient of the Annihilator?

[stray verge]

Any tips for the t95? I want to be better at the doom turtle

[ancient iron]

buff the T25/2 @ WarGaming

[steep canyon]

Dude T25/2 has paper armir with faster turret traverse

[ancient iron]

but with no armor, and less speed than the Hellcat, while having only a marginally better gun... it plays like a weaker hellcat....

[onyx sluice]

T25/2 with better turret armor will be amazing.

[ancient iron]

or T25/2 with a better gun

[obtuse galleon]

guys how do u play the Amx 30 1er
i only done a few games in it (i mostly used to HT/MT playstyle)

[blazing surge]

in my opinion you should play with that like hulldown medium and fast running for spots like a light.

[safe cedar]

Batchat kinda needs a buff tbh

[muted frost]

E100 Alligator Flak 88

[limber cloud]

cursed

[solid gate]

guys i really need help
so i was planning to get action X but i realized i already have t26e5 should i still get actionX or the raac and progetto instead?

[muted frost]

raac and prog

[solid gate]

@muted frost hm okay

[muted frost]

ax is trash now

[solid gate]

oh really?? why they say its still good

[muted frost]

its good with mouse+keyboard

[solid gate]

wait what?

[muted frost]

well when I use it with my laptop I get 2K-4K damage with it, in phone 2K max its hard to do clutch shot or strafe using thumb

[solid gate]

hm so @muted frost i choose raac??

[muted frost]

its fast and you just sit there and spam

[solid gate]

hmm i see

[safe cedar]

Please fix Batchat it is crap.

[muted frost]

AX you need to relay on ur turret and you have to shoot every 3 sec that will amputate ur thumb

[solid gate]

hmm i see wait is raac have more good front hull than the actionX?

[muted frost]

ax has better armor

[solid gate]

oh.. hmm

[loud verge]

Jag tiger 8.8cm upper plate armor needs nerf, it's upper plate armor is literally an impenetrable solid wall

[sacred trail]

There’s also APC on some British vehicles and all that does is attempt to angle the shell on impact with armor to improve its penetrating abilities (yet it’s classified as regular AP)

[scarlet kernel]

No it's not
And @muted frost
For obvious reasons, playing on PC with mouse and keyboard is better than the phone controls

[scarlet kernel]

I am proposing an idea on name changes only like let's say HESH shell still acts like HE but with "HESH" Being the name instead of "HE"

[solid gate]

Jesus christ, its been a long tine since ive played the tier 7 comet, is it always this broken?

[loud verge]

Well, lots of shell will bounce with the jag tiger 8.8cm upper plate and the isu apcr will bounce a lot if u angle it slightly

[loud verge]

The hd model on the t54 light weight was cool but, i think the gun penetration is kinda low af, i mean the premium shell penetration is low af

[loud verge]

I think wg needs to add hep (hesh but german version) on the grille or Jg.Pz.E100 🗿

[scarlet kernel]

HEP is litterally just another name for HESH, also an IS-6 prammo round can easily penetrate the jag 8.8 on flat grounds. If an IS-6 can pen it then most tanks could.

Even so that thing is slow and have a huge weakpoint, the sides are easily penned.

And won't go too well with tier 9 if you are too aggresive

[violet timber]

You can’t just add a HEP/HESH shell to a tank, especially when Germany hadn’t even developed a HEP shell by the time these tanks were set to be made

[junior pawn]

Guys, is the spark any good ? If it not, I sell it to get free 500 gold

[onyx sluice]

It is better than the tech tree version.

[thorny smelt]

It is a Skoda T-25 with worse power-to-weight ratio but lovely 1 second inter-clip which you can just spam your left button like your life depends on it. Better use Calibrated Shells as Improved Ventilation don't do that much.

[hard cedar]

It's actually kinda meh

[violet timber]

Nah, Comet op

[warm leaf]

That a yes or no? should I sell Titan H-N for getting the St. Emil?

[violet timber]

No

[broken hedge]

Guys what should i grind first:
E50M?
Progguetto?
Vickers?
T57 heavy?

Also should i grind any other line without the 60tp cuz I already have the yoh which is a part of the meta.

Anyways thanks if u reply.

[drifting grove]

T57 or Vickers.
T57 is a brilliant second-line damage farmer, and the hull armour is trollish. It has a stronger turret than the 50B too.
As for the Vickers Light, it's the best light tank in the game with insane view range, and also 110mm HE penetration because it has HESH instead of HE.

[thorny smelt]

Ho-Ri LOL

[open cedar]

i would say IS-7 since it is one of my favourites. not sure if it counts as meta, but its a fun tank to play either way.

the prog line can get a bit boring since the tier 6 and 7 are basically the same thing just at different tiers. the pantera sucks with the stock gun but luckily i was able to make it work. in short, try to get past tier 6 and 7 quick then free exp the gun on the pantera. the standard isnt that bad stock. just get the engine and tracks. the gun top gun has the pretty decent HE shells as well so yeah''

[broken hedge]

Bruh, i gave options, i already have got IS-7. XD

[open cedar]

lol, then in that case i would say go for the vickers or prog.

[thorny smelt]

Ho-Ri gave me WR boost so it might work for you

[broken hedge]

Grille better than HO-RI

Stop spamming random tier 10s i gave options.

[drifting grove]

Like I said, go for the T57 Heavy or the Vickers Light.
My reply also says why.

[drifting grove]

Not at all.
Ho-Ri has far better penetration, and I think it has superior accuracy too.
The only advantage the Grille 15 has is the existence of a turret.

[thorny smelt]

I had so much good luck playing the Ho-Ri than any of my tanks

[broken hedge]

My opinion....

[drifting grove]

Oh, okay.

@thorny smelt I haven't tried as I loathe tanks without turrets, but I've heard the same. Ho-Ri is a great tank, with that accuracy and penetration.

[broken hedge]

U can hear from anyone, but u cant how know which one is better (in ur opinion) without trying at least one of them.

[thorny smelt]

The tier 7 (Chi-to SPG), tier 8 (Ho-ri Type I), and tier 9 (Ho-ri Type II) are all familiar if you play the Jageroo line when it comes to mobility. Ho-ri Type III is my mostly played tier 10 as of this moment.

[broken turtle]

really
im stuggling with tiger 2
i need help
to play the tank better
wn8 is just somewhere at above average
the armor is thick, but when you have something can penetrate 250mm armor then tiger 2 is easy pen, no "guarantee bounce spot" like on most heavies

[blissful hamlet]

No, Ho-Ri has a worse accuracy, but at least has a 380mm ap

[blissful hamlet]

Angle your tank and hide the lower plate

[drifting grove]

But it still is a really accurate Tier X TD, and it has really strong armour.

[blissful hamlet]

That's true

[thorny smelt]

No worries. It will buffed.....unnecessarily

[thorny smelt]

More like troll armor

[hard cedar]

The armor isn't "really strong" everything can go through with prammo and some tanks can go through with standard as well

[drifting grove]

But you still need gold to go through.
With standard (for most tanks) the frontal weakspots are smaller than that of a Jagdpanther E100's.

[thorny smelt]

I bounced a shell from 60TP but this is might not be enough

[drifting grove]

With standard, most tanks can only penetrate a rather thin strip of your frontal armour.

[hard cedar]

Yes but it can't resist gold at all

[thorny smelt]

How can you rank the Ho-Ri when it comes to skill level?

[drifting grove]

Not sure.
I don't play TDs, but I'd say it's a fairly easy TD to play.
Trollish armour, great accuracy, good mobility and phenomenal penetration.

[thorny smelt]

I guess most of us go for Jageroo or DeathStar because of the alpha

[drifting grove]

Which, in a way, makes them easy to play.
But you have to work with poor concealment, long reload, and rubbish accuracy.

[thorny smelt]

Even the Grille 15

[drifting grove]

Grille has poor armour, so that is a con.
You can't take any hits at all.
At least the 183 has a somewhat trollish turret.

[thorny smelt]

TBH I paused the Jageroo line because of JPanther II and resorted to Ho-Ri line instead.

[blissful hamlet]

Jagdpanther II is really good

[thorny smelt]

I'm a little bit skilled with the tank bit the hull is butter AF.

[blissful hamlet]

Jagdtiger will solve this

[warm leaf]

What is that turret?

[blissful hamlet]

Turret designed by Adler

[violet timber]

E50M, it’s probably the best tech tree med at the moment and is pretty easy to use

[surreal blade]

Get the Vickers light .still amazing .amazing hesh .fairly good dpm . Best spotting range in the game. Impenetrable gin mamtlet . Note I said gun mantlet , not turret

[violet timber]

I wouldn’t say impenetrable, more troll and rng based

[warm leaf]

I HATE RNG

[violet timber]

Why?

[strange thicket]

grille has better accuracy

[broken hedge]

True

[strange thicket]

what exactly are you looking for currently?

[violet timber]

Grille has better accuracy, mobility, and dpm

[broken hedge]

I kinda want to get the T57 heavy tank cuz i really do like autoloaders and autoreloaders like an avrg heavy hits u with 500 u hit him with 1k or more and that the fun but at the same time i want to get the E50M and or Vickers, about me im more a Heavy medium player, my fav and best performing tier 10 is IS-7.

[strange thicket]

get E50M

[violet timber]

The E50M is the most MBT like tank we have in the entire game, it’s kind of a do it all. Great mobility for the armor, and a gun that works in any scenario

[broken hedge]

What about being an mobile player?

[violet timber]

E50M works pretty well, you can wiggle it effectively to draw out bounces

[broken hedge]

Like (my opinion) in mobile i think is harder to play meds.

Ummm.....i will take these advices from u guys.

Thank u soooo soo much for this help,
I really do appreciate it!

[strange thicket]

well, it depends on how experienced you are
for meds you need to be a lot more attentive to your surrounding and have a much faster reaction time than when on most heavies.
but E50M is the current meta med and it is not all that difficult to play.

[broken hedge]

I will maybe grind it 😉

Anyways thanks guys for spending ur time to help me to decide which tank to grind, i do appreciate it 🙂 .

[wintry orchid]

Unless of course you suck like me… I can’t make it work…

[thorny smelt]

I'll suffer a bit more for the JPanther II but I want to get the ST-I ASAP.

[abstract smelt]

anyone wanna platoon?

[solid gate]

Its actually broken, it has really good gun depression, really good reload time, and the turret armor is kinda good.

[hard cedar]

most t7 med/lights has similar dpm to the comet and the turret armor is meh
comet has highest dpm out of all of them but the others are close

[solid gate]

I still love the comet. Btw should i grind for the centurion or the vickers?

[hard cedar]

i love my t343 but I would still never call it broken
vickers

[solid gate]

Okk

[broken turtle]

get vickers first then cen

[steep canyon]

Vickers first then the FV4202 tier 10 Centurion line

[solid gate]

What about the challenger?

[hard cedar]

the fv4005 line is p nice

[steep canyon]

Its a good TD with a Cromwell Chassis

• Charioteer
• Chalengger

Tand destroyers with Centurion Chasis

• Conway
• FV 4005

[thorny smelt]

I might restore the Challenger soon

[steep canyon]

Dont forget that thing has a little armor so u play that tank as a mid to long range sniper

[thorny smelt]

I knoooooow

[steep canyon]

I can say that i will grind for the AT 15 bcs its very good DPM and the toer 10 tank will be a Fv 215 183

[shell robin]

what's the best tech tree tier 6 heavy tanks for hunting mediums and lights. I know that's not a lot to choose from, but it's what I'm good with.

[fast compass]

Arl44 always works

[open cedar]

I would say the kv1s or the arl. Both are good in their own right. The 40tp I would say works better against heavys.

[shell robin]

i'm not sure why arl 44. i would think a big alpha like kv2 would be the one, but that one's a meme as always,

[nocturne tiger]

Arl 44 is pretty absolutely poggers

[shell robin]

ok, i'll try arl 44, see how that works. one more question, consumable delivery system or extended consumables? i use multi kit, repair kit, and adrenaline

[open cedar]

The kv2 I would say is more of an armoured TD

[fast compass]

Arl serves as a perfect med counter. Armor profile easily holds against meds, 2k dpm, 10 gun depression, speed.

[open cedar]

Which gun are u using btw

[fast compass]

Plus it is a point and click adventure

[shell robin]

for KV-2? derp.

[open cedar]

Arl

[fast compass]

The only answer is DCA45

[shell robin]

and if i used the 107 on the KV-2?

[open cedar]

The 107 on the kv2 is good but then there really is no point running the fridge if u gonna use that gun. Might as well play the kv1s

[shell robin]

so i've been told. figured as much. ok, I'll run the arl. my second question wasn't answered btw.

[open cedar]

Oh? What's the second question

[shell robin]

consumable delivery system or extended consumables? i use multi kit, repair kit, and adrenaline

[open cedar]

Since u r using the 90mm canon, use the one that increases the duration of the ability. As for the consumables u seem to be good on that front.

[shell robin]

ok. thanks for the info.

[open cedar]

Np

[thorny smelt]

Is the Shidbarn still worth the grind?

[keen hornet]

I've been playing Blitz nearly everyday for the past year and a half and I have yet to see the WZ-120-1G for sale in shop. I've been wanting that damn TD for so long now and I'm beginning to think I'll never get one, unless I get super lucky in a "Collect them all" container or wait for the BlitzFair and hope it's in auction or I get it in a snow globe or something...
I know people own it obviously.
So I guess my question is: Has it ever been for sale straight in the shop?
I want the damn thing.
It's one of the few premium tier 8's I don't own.

[solid gate]

I looked at the WG forums and they said the challenger is the worst tier 7 TD

[rigid thunder]

it's up to personal opinion so take it with grains of salt

[solid gate]

The weaponized cardboard box?

[onyx sluice]

I don't think it has ever been sold for gold no, a few months back it was available in those lock and key containers.

[thorny smelt]

Tell that to AMX AC 46 LOL

[thorny smelt]

Guys?

[tawdry dove]

So... VK 90.01 is absolutely disgusting. Probably my favourite Tier 10

[torpid cypress]

same bro/// I im also waiting for that TD :"(
Idk when it will come to store

[open cedar]

In my opinion there are better tds than the shid barn. The death star, shid barn and foch are tds I would wanna grind the last. If u already have other tds, than sure go for it, but u don't have armour. And it is a very team dependent tank.

[thorny smelt]

I have a Ho-Ri already as my first tier 10 tank destroyer

[open cedar]

The shid barn and foch are unique since they have that clip. So it's up to u. Like I said, I would personally grind them last. I would personally say grind something like the jageroo or 268 instead

Actually instead of the barn the foch would be a better choice

The grind up the grind up the foch is pain but the tier 10 is rewarding

[tight blaze]

whats shid barn?

i got the foch and i think its fr really really great

[solid gate]

the f4005. it looks like a giant barn without armor

[thorny smelt]

FV4005. The tank with 14 mm of turret armor.

[solid gate]

its he material

[trail orchid]

I posted the other day about how lucky I have been with the crates ,I took another dive in and got a few more ,all in all I spent 4500 gold on the crates and got 8 tanks most tier 10 including 3 collector tanks,has anyone else had that kinda result

[thorny smelt]

I though KV-5 will have 200 mm armor. Why is it still 180 mm? The reload time is reduced though

[onyx sluice]

Does the economy changes mean all tier 8 premium tanks will earn more credits now?

[thorny smelt]

Yup. Free AP shells

[hexed flax]

how to play k-91?

[onyx sluice]

Only show turret, unload the clip then retreat into cover.

[open cedar]

Be careful when fighting tds. They can pen your hatches

[steep canyon]

They have more penetrasion and alpha dmg

[steep canyon]

Yep sometimes on those line the grinds are a bit painful

[pallid moss]

which tanks are good for learning hull-down and side scraping?? (lower tiers)

[onyx sluice]

The Swedish for hulldown, Germans and Soviets for side scraping.

[hot junco]

Did the t34-3 got a buff? And is it noticable

[steep canyon]

The tank is for tier 5-6
Soviet:

• KV-1
• KV-1S

German :
-Vk.36.01 H

[onyx sluice]

Yes.

[violet timber]

Okay, what in the world of weegee thinking?

The main balancing factor seems to be the camo, but this thing ain’t meant to snipe?

[fast compass]

690 alpha? Seriously?

Doesn't look that mobile, with those terrain resistance numbers. Can't comment on the armor profile yet

[onyx sluice]

Did anyone seriously think the 268v4 wouldn't be broken?

[modest solar]

How do I get is5 from clan supply?

Finished it

[exotic fog]

Bug in the game. Open a support ticket via player support on your local wotb website @modest solar

[modest solar]

So if it's not bug, it should be in store?

[exotic fog]

It shows up as something you can claim and then unbox, as far as I remember.
It is not in stores.

But it has been like six years, I don't remember that detail.

I just know that since some recent update, the process has a bug.

[modest solar]

Alright

Ok it's not bug, I just don't know how to get it lol

But I'll hold it for now, just in case black Friday is good price

[misty wing]

Which tech tree tank has gone the longest without changes

[violet timber]

Probably one of the tier 1s if I had to guess

[misty wing]

How about tier 5 and up
Low tier basically doesn't exist in my eyes lmao

[violet timber]

My best guess is either the Cromwell of one of the American lights

[misty wing]

I don't think they've changed t49 since it came out have they?

[past fractal]

My best guess would be su-100

[violet timber]

I don’t believe so, but I don’t know for sure

[misty wing]

I think it would've been Pershing but they just buffed it lmao

I quit the game for a while and came back relatively recently, what's with all the weirdly named tanks in tier 5-6 ish? Or are they just camos?

[violet timber]

Battlepass tanks

[misty wing]

Makes sense, I think I quit right after the first BP ended

[modest solar]

How long this offer is?

[violet timber]

At least a week

[past crane]

I think the T100LT is decently balanced. It gets good DPM but poor prammo (weird that it gets premium AP), great mobility, and a bit of armor. Also Bobject actually looks…strong but not OP. Meh mobility, really poor HE rounds (50mm of pen?), and some ok but not great DPM. The 690 alpha is too strong imho, I would say that the 268 should also be buffed with it so it’s more meta.

[solid gate]

Still wondering should man go and buy the Superqongueror Rex or wait for black friday offers

[glacial kiln]

Tiger+panther

It can be a new premium tank

[modest solar]

Ay good

Now I can decide to buy this or black friday

[slim sand]

Another mosquito added to my collection (480p selected)

[thorny smelt]

This tank might put the OG Object 268 onto its knees

[spark basin]

look a little more closer

[thorny smelt]

I found this on BlitzPost. The pen though is close to HT pen than TD pen.

[spark basin]

it won't replace the 268 at all with how vastly different the stats are in its current state anyway

[plucky summit]

Yeah

[thorny smelt]

I know. I know. It won't happen since we already have the Object 263

[misty wing]

why tf does it have so much alpha
it has lower alpha than other TDs in pc

[cedar cradle]

Ayo what T8 should I buy???

[plucky summit]

Notice only 800 HE

[solid gate]

premium or tech tree?

[thorny smelt]

Blitz..... If it is 750 in PC, it will be 600-640 in Blitz

[cedar cradle]

Tech tree

[solid gate]

mhmm. what type do you prefer the most?

[spark basin]

the pc obj 268 v4 has 650 alpha

[misty wing]

Object 268 has 750 in PC while the V4 has 650
in blitz, 268 has 640 and V4 has 690
doesn't make any sense

[cedar cradle]

Idc just didn't know what to buy so I thought lets ask the blitz community

[solid gate]

mabey a t44 or tiger 2. those are fun. pantera is also fun

[thorny smelt]

It's Blitz. What do you expect? The PC has 293 mm AP pen, but on Blitz it's 265 which is low for tier 10 TD standards

[plucky summit]

I can't wait to see people pretend that 2684 will replace 268 as a frontline tank as if 268 was a frontline tank in the first place

[cedar cradle]

I don't have pantera yet however I have king Tiger and T-44 I've almost completed T-44

[thorny smelt]

You might need to use more prammo with this version of Object 268 V4 or go CS

[plucky summit]

Emil I is a great tier 8, the line is good in general too

[misty wing]

I mean it's obvious that they would try and nerf the v4 when putting it in blitz since it was so OP and hated in PC, but why randomly increase the alpha? just tune down the armor and pen or something and leave it be

[plucky summit]

Yes but they nerfed basically everything on it

[thorny smelt]

They can just reduce the alpha down to 600 and go for 293 mm AP pen which is more reasonable.

[blissful hamlet]

At least that lower plate doesn't have 300mm of armor

[valid gale]

It isn’t even out yet so why are we complaining about it’s alpha? If I’m pretty sure it’s not even in super testing right now

[plucky summit]

We're just speculating based on blitzpost

[thorny smelt]

Mostly it will go hull down

@valid gale Audience feedback

[plucky summit]

I like the comedically horrible camo rating

[misty wing]

that's what I'm saying, they're just making it harder for themselves by making so many random changes

although tbh, I like the idea of it having more heavy-like pen numbers

[thorny smelt]

The 265 mm AP pen is so tier 9 TBH. At least if they make it a collector with those stats, less players will buy unless you collect tanks

[plucky summit]

They're releasing two lines in the USSR TT? I'm banking on v4 to be a collector

[thorny smelt]

Hopefully V4 won't make into the tech tree like in case of AMX M4 54 and Super Conqueror.

[hard cedar]

V4 is not in tech tree

[plucky summit]

As I assumed.

[misty wing]

why do you want more tech tree tanks being premiums

[plucky summit]

Who said I wanted it? =)

[misty wing]

I'd like all PC tanks except arty and wheeled tanks to be added at some point

[thorny smelt]

^^^^^

[shell robin]

because idc how they come in to this game. I want it.

[plucky summit]

I want the Type 5 Heavy line in, but I've had to face the fact it won't 😔

[thorny smelt]

ARL44: Ooooh another food

[plucky summit]

Yeah wait till he gets hit with a more reliable 560 alpha balanced into Blitz

[shell robin]

We could, and I say could, because nearly all of my ideas have been shot up, add 2 tds with the same armament as the O-I

[thorny smelt]

Honestly, any guns with more than 167 mm AP pen will pen the O-I

There's O-I Experimental as a tier 5

[plucky summit]

CS and prammo aside, these tanks are a real threat to O-I

[shell robin]

people won't like it because it looks like a normal japanese heavy

[thorny smelt]

In my experience, only my T-150 can pen the O-I

[plucky summit]

BIg brain time

[shell robin]

We could at least add one of these 2 tanks to the Japanese td as a tier 5 and the other a tier 6. The tier 5 in question is the Hi-Ro Sha on the right. It's armed with a 105 mm type 92, but is only 35mm armor at the front and 22 kph. the Ji-Ro Sha is much the same, but has access to the 15 cm type 96

[plucky summit]

O-I can just be forced to use the 105mm

Also GEEZ a 105cm gun would be massive

[misty wing]

105cm lmfao
even battleship guns weren't even half that size

[shell robin]

15 cm is 150mm

[thorny smelt]

O-I will compete with KV-2 in terms of DERP

10 cm gun has better 175 mm AP pen but lower 300 HP of damage

[shell robin]

afaik, O-I surpasses

@past fractal i corrected the error

[past fractal]

105 cm guns are 1050 mm guns

You drunk with playing with gustav guns?

[plucky summit]

Wait it's a 100mm guys, since they use 10cm
Nvm.

[shell robin]

technically 105, but yea

[plucky summit]

Idk why it's a 105mm when the gun name is 10cm but yeah lol

[thorny smelt]

It is a monster in tier 5-6 matches

[shell robin]

Japan was... special

[past fractal]

10 cm is like 100 mm but remove one of the zeros

Kinda like 200 mm=20 cm

[worthy oyster]

But 10 cm isnt 105mm…

[shell robin]

i think he knows how cm and mm work.

[plucky summit]

It's kinda funny how O-I annihilates itself

[worthy oyster]

Btw metric system is really easy to get a hang of

[past fractal]

10.5 cm indeed, but its more general basically l

Nah I just use my surroundings, looks like 100 mm is 10 cm but with one less zero, lemme calculate that in all mm and cm equations, eas

[shell robin]

so anyways, the Hi-Ro Sha at tier 5 has access to only the 10cm type 92, but the Ji-Ro Sha at tier 6 can use either the 10cm or 15cm

if it makes you guys feel better, the 15cm is actually 149mm

[past fractal]

*150 mm 149 mm is 14.9

owo

[plucky summit]

I believe no derps should be in tier 5 (100mm+) and tier 6 (140mm+)

Hence I would rather the O-I have its 105mm

[shell robin]

10cm isn't a derp. and the russian U-11 still exists for the KV-1

[plucky summit]

Yeah, with horrid HE
At least that one is of no usefulness

Highest practical derp is 280

30 HE pen xD

[shell robin]

either way, 10cm isn't a derp. to me, it's comparable to a paper thin and slow jageroo

[plucky summit]

The alpha would be too abusable imo
Gargoyle is already pushing it, at least it's 280 and not 310

[shell robin]

I felt like the speed and armor would compromise it a little, but I guess not.

[plucky summit]

I'd be happy to make a concept sheet for them, but I gotta head to engineering class lol

[shell robin]

i did explain the armor and speed before, but eh, whatever. What about Ji-Ro at tier 6? same gun, plus the 15cm, and effectively same hull and speed

[plucky summit]

Still, a derp. Bad for the game
Especially if the gun is at all better than KV-2's

[shell robin]

it has a better ap and dispersion, but worse he and reload. The only reason the O-I is considered better is because of armor

would you put the Hi-ro at tier 6 then?

[plucky summit]

I’d be fine with it, would love a buffed gun traded for the bad tank otherwise
Gtg

[misty wing]

What's the consensus on amx 50b vs t57 nowadays

[wise moth]

It’s the same debate as always; mobility vs. firepower, although the 57 is slightly more obnoxious in the hull armor department now

[past fractal]

T57 shouldn’t have gotten that hull armor buff imo. It should’ve gotten a slight mobility buff instead

But it is what it is -_-

[onyx sluice]

We don't need any mobility buffs on tanks, its horrible for the meta.

[drifting grove]

T57 Pros:
Faster Intraclip.
Better accuracy. (I think)
Stronger turret.
AMX 50B pros:
Mobility.
Gun Depression.

Both tanks make for really powerful support Heavies.
A Super Unicum I know, who was formerly in VE1L, insists that the T57 is better, although some may prefer the 50B for its mobility.
Overall, both tanks are powerful and extremely dangerous.

Personally, I would take the T57 Heavy, due to its superior armour.

[hard cedar]

T57 turret is garbage

[misty wing]

I feel like the tanks are closer than ever now with the t57 armor rework
Also, the mobility difference was never that big since the t57 is by no means slow, and the 50b isn't exactly a med by mobility either

[hard cedar]

50b armor and 57 armor are almost the same now after rework imo

[sharp violet]

i grinded for the chi-to spg and got a snail

i'm just gonna go for the IS and take it from there, i've gotten scammed 2 times in a row now

[drifting grove]

T57's turret still has a lot fewer weakspots than the 50B.
When firing with AP, you barely have to aim at the AMX 50B's turret as the wole thing is a weakspot. Only have to avoind the gun.
You actually have to aim in a bit to hit the T57 Heavy's weakspots.

[rigid thunder]

the mobility difference is pretty big, what with a 15 km/h difference in top speed. The 57 also gets a pretty mediocre hp/t ratio of like 13~14 while the 50b gets 16, which makes it quite a bit more manueverable. Sure the 50b won't accelerate as fast as a mt, but the 57 sure as heck isn't close

[misty wing]

50b has trash traverse and terrain resistance iirc

[hard cedar]

The whole turret is a weakspot besides the gun mantlet, just like the 50b

[misty wing]

Well it is a smaller turret tbf

[rigid thunder]

I'm taking stats off blitzhangar (which accounts for terrain resistances), but yeah the traverse of the 50b isn't great

[drifting grove]

Not really.
It does have quite a few red bits, and you have to aim in a little bit to get in.
Also, as @misty wing points out, its turret is a lot smaller.

[hard cedar]

No it doesn't, the turret is smaller, but the turret is extremely weak

[manic carbon]

Though the 50 B turret isn’t well armoured, that turret can pull off such troll bounces. Not reliable, but it isn’t entirely paper

[misty wing]

Honestly the 57's main armor advantage is being more resistant to HE lol

[drifting grove]

This too.

[misty wing]

where does the kran fit in all of this

[west rapids]

Kran has the same role as both tanks

But you could play it more aggressively than both

[hard cedar]

Kran is more capable of frontlining
57 and 50 are more support oriented

[west rapids]

Yes 👍

[wise moth]

It’s not really comparable. 50b and 57 place their emphasis on firepower. The Kran’s DPM is so low, that it functions more like an IS-7 in role rather than a 57/50b

[open cedar]

I think this sums up the kran very well

[drifting grove]

Better turret armour means you can afford to be more agressive, but pathetic DPM means you're better off staying behind.
Also, the Kran is dead slow. Too slow, in fact, for the fact that it weighs only 44 tonnes.
Gun is also really inaccurate.
Reticle calibration buys you only 20-30 seconds of decent accuracy.

[violet timber]

“Gun is really inaccurate”

It’s not that bad, and if you’re front line hull down, you won’t have a problem

[hollow notch]

If the kran is really inaccurate, what is this?

Also note that the kran has the armor to be able to fully aim in. A 110e5 has to snap a shot off with little aim or it will get slapped in a cheek.

[broken hedge]

Should i grind E50M or 60tp?

[hollow notch]

Actually hold on
What tanks do you compare the kran to to make it look inaccurate?
The most accurate heavies? Mediums?

[broken hedge]

Really inaccurate?
Bruh u have problems with aiming dont blame good king tanks like the kran!

Should i grind E50M or 60tp?

[hollow notch]

60tp

[misty wing]

don't have the 60tp but I really like the e50m

[drifting grove]

I felt just felt the dispersion was too great....

[hollow notch]

Compared to what?

[broken hedge]

Mmm.......should i get the e50m and not grind the 60tp?

[drifting grove]

I'm not saying it's bad.
I'm only saying I didn't like it.
The dispersion circle felt rather large, and the aim time rather long.
My main problem with the thing was the speed and mobility, which, for a tank that light, is just pathetic.

[drifting grove]

M-VI-Yoh 120mm is my main.

[hard cedar]

"Gun is really inaccurate"
Idk man seems like you called it bad

[hollow notch]

Could u not spam?

[broken hedge]

XD ok dud shut

[drifting grove]

I'm grinding 60TP.
It seems rather good.

[broken hedge]

Yeah im good at my is 7 so maybe i will be at 60tp too

[drifting grove]

XD

[broken hedge]

Guys stop bullying me lol i hardcore spammed XD

[drifting grove]

@broken hedge By the way, changed your mind about joining, did you?

[broken hedge]

I mean uhh.... i really did want to join FTC-1 but like full and my clan is starting to get more active and soo u know...

[drifting grove]

Oh, okay.
We're quite active too.
FTC 2, 3 and 4 have vacancies, if you're still interested.

[broken hedge]

Well im more interested for a clan that does all clan missions u know, my clan does near dat but like im trying to find a better one just like FTC-1 the good thing about FTC clans is that they dont care about the stats but about the activity which is actually cool and makes them special.

[drifting grove]

We're also a friendly, non-toxic lot, with a good, British sense of humour.

And I think FTC-2 also maxes out missions. (We do all the time).

[drifting grove]

You can still join and stay in the server as a 'FTC Friend'

[violet timber]

Make NA reroll and join PONDA easy

[hard cedar]

I feel called out.

[violet timber]

Why would you feel called out?

[hard cedar]

I wonder.

[violet timber]

I dunno, seems like you’re reaching a bit

[hard cedar]

Ponda is my favorite North American clan.

[violet timber]

I believe it

[hard cedar]

Is reign your favorite clan ¿

[violet timber]

Yes

[hard cedar]

I believe it

[violet timber]

What gave it away?

[hard cedar]

Reigns favorite tank is also the sta 1!