vehicles-discussion

[thorny smelt]

KV-5 is an exception even though it will get the armor buff it deserves

[violet timber]

I personally prefer more mobile tanks

[thorny smelt]

50TP Prototyp is one of them I would say. I love how fast it is and a lovely gun.

[violet timber]

50TP Proto is absolutely broken

[thorny smelt]

LOL. Why?

[violet timber]

Gun? 440 alpha + tungsten is ridiculous. Also 8 whole degrees of gun depression. Armor? Pretty much impenetrable turret, troll hull. And did I mention it's as fast as a med?

[thorny smelt]

They might nerf it someday especially when it comes to mobilty.

[violet timber]

It would be deserved

[thorny smelt]

The gun is fine the way it is for a tier 9 heavy. The mobility? The can nerf it to 40-42 kmph and 30-33 degrees of hull turn rate.

[violet timber]

The main problem is that gear oil gives it an insane top speed as well as ridiculous p/w. There is no reason gear oil or any super provisions/consumables should exist

[thorny smelt]

I don't use Gear Oil or Tungsten shells but most do. I don't like negative credits. The Gear Oil though reminds me of engine boost of some sort in PC where the top speed is increased.

But yeah, they'll nerf the 50TP Prototyp someday

[violet timber]

If you play the 50TP Proto well, you shouldn't have to worry about losing credits

[thorny smelt]

I played it well a few days to weeks after the 50TP Prototyp clan event and the 8.4 update. I had to hold it off for some time because I know I'll be flooded other with Polish tanks.

[violet timber]

I honestly like the chaos of updates with 8 of the new tank in one game, but the teams just become so bad

[thorny smelt]

The only match I carried the hardest is with my IS. Got 5 kills because my teammates die like mosquitoes and still lose.

With Pz. T-25 though I got 6 kills and I won and got a Ace Tanker mastery a few months ago.

[violet timber]

I've been carrying tier 10 teams today

[thorny smelt]

I'd say Ho-Ri might be my new fave tier 10 tank...until it replaces with another one. E 100 used to be my favorite tier 10.

[violet timber]

My favorite has to be the AMX 30B at the moment

[thorny smelt]

Speedy mediums eh?

[violet timber]

My favorite type of tank lol. It's the reason Prog and TVP are second and third

[thorny smelt]

I'm hoping for AMX M4 54 and/or VK 90.01 P to come out in Blitz Fair. I'll check the Black Friday deals first if there are some good tanks to buy. Tier 8 premiums though are quite stagnant nowadays.

[violet timber]

The only reason I'm playing tier 8 right now is for the Reborn camo

[thorny smelt]

Can you suggest me a premium medium tank aside from the famous Progetto 46? I only have O-47 at the moment.

[violet timber]

AMX 30 1er at tier 9 is very good

[charred vigil]

chimera

[thorny smelt]

Aside from AMX 301er and Chimera. Mostly tier 8.

[hard cedar]

m4a1 rev or t 34 3

[violet timber]

^

[thorny smelt]

The French Sherman?

[hard cedar]

yes

[charred vigil]

raac and defender mk1 are good too

[violet timber]

The 105mm is rather good at tier 8

[thorny smelt]

I'll think of it. I have to get the tier 10s first. I don't have any tier 10 collectors and/or premiums so Blitz Fair is my only chance of getting one. The ones from Store are quite expensive.

[analog silo]

M60 is my favorite premium medium. Prog is my second favorite. I’m hoping to pick up 121B and 34-3 some time since I adore the Chinese meds

AMX CDC is fun for a challenge but boy is it hard to carry in

[violet timber]

Sad AMX 30B noises

[analog silo]

I have a feeling I’d be dog awful in 30B since I struggle with the 1er prot. And it deserves better

[violet timber]

How do you struggle in the premier? It's so good, just hull down and play like a light

[analog silo]

I’m good at lights, mediums, and hull down. But somehow I either can’t find good shots and cruise in the back all game or over extend and get obliterated. There is no reason for me to be bad at the AMX but here we are

[violet timber]

This is me in the E100. I can play superheavies relatively well, I just can't deal with the turret being god awful

[analog silo]

I have a higher win rate in the CDC than the 30 1… what even is a meta pick

[violet timber]

Reject meta, accept STA-1

[analog silo]

I can’t even remember the last time I encountered a STA-1

Hmmm… new WN8 and ace farming opportunity perhaps

[violet timber]

Easy wn8 farming

[scarlet kernel]

did they decided to not put historically accurate panther armor this update?

[valid gale]

Why would they do that

[analog silo]

No but they are adding a historically accurate panther transmission /s

[strange thicket]

Lol

[scarlet kernel]

i meant the panther armor nerf, what happened to it?

[strange thicket]

I would say fishing for mistakes is better than totalling the tank or wasting time trying to hide the hull with that thing and its gun depression.

[violet timber]

That was talking about sniping in general, not just the JPanther 2

[strange thicket]

Oh
Fair

[low nexus]

Actual footage of Me getting destroyed! 😮😮😮
NOT. FAKE!
yes it’s fake, duh

[analog silo]

Took it out for 6, won 4, did 2k overall, got one 3.5k. I’m feeling better about this thing. That was all with 90 ping and 12% packet loss too

[thorny smelt]

A chonky light

[unreal lotus]

rip pantera

[drifting grove]

WG noticed that it was stronger than the Progetto 46.
They had to nerf it to restore premium tank dominance at Tier VIII.

[thorny smelt]

Quite a dirty move

[drifting grove]

Welcome to WG.

[strange thicket]

bruh

[thorny smelt]

Also me with KV-5 being buffed: YAY!

[thorny smelt]

And... I killed the channel again....

[copper swan]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-no-no-no-no-rajabets-rajagif-gif-22769322

[weak sparrow]

Nerf tiger 2 bottom plate

[sacred karma]

Dont Facehug with the Tiger ll though
Front plate can get easily penetrated
Stick to medium, long range combat

[rigid thunder]

it was never stronger than the Progetto 46, and its upper plate will be buffed from 80 to 100mm, meaning no more T49s penning you in the face

[timid wren]

Im going to ask 1 more time

T62A or obj 140 which is BETTER.
Im close to buying one of them

[drifting grove]

T62A.

[radiant matrix]

is progeto 64 good?

[drifting grove]

And they're both good.```

[radiant coral]

He clearly means the Prog 69 for sure ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[drifting grove]

-__-

[radiant matrix]

yea i mean 46 :v

[drifting grove]

Both Progs are brilliant, but need quite a bit of skill to use well.

[radiant matrix]

no armor?

[drifting grove]

Bad Armour, yes.

[radiant matrix]

how i should play them?
support or like other med?

[drifting grove]

Idk, I'm no good at meds.

[radiant matrix]

ok,thanks for answering

[drifting grove]

Happy to help!

[full cargo]

Is pudel op?

[radiant matrix]

nothing special about that tank

[full cargo]

Mk

[radiant matrix]

if you need credits just use pudel as credits maker,

[drifting grove]

It's rubbish.```

[drifting grove]

The real credit printer is the Löwe.

[radiant matrix]

f2p boi

[silent light]

Sad

My BatChat can not do anything, T110E5 go alone and solo 2 FV 183, all my meds are died, td go afk and my FV 183 go help T110E5

T57 fight hard till death

Only T 57 is a sane player

[drifting grove]

From what I learnt from a pro, Batchat is supposed to be played very passively.
Idk the full details, but I can send you the link to one of his streams, if you wish.

[silent light]

@drifting grove please wait for few mins

[drifting grove]

I know a person that can analyse your replay.
May I share it to them?

[silent light]

Yes, you can

[drifting grove]

I'll DM their analysis to you once they do it.```

[weak sparrow]

Buff strv m42

[drifting grove]

@silent light If you want, I can send you an invite to their server. They have many pros who analyse replays, give advice, and so on. My own performance has improved since joining. Are you interested?

[pallid moss]

o.O

[drifting grove]

??

[kindred wren]

Why do you write in these blocks?

[drifting grove]

Because it's fun.

[silent light]

@drifting grove yes i am

[kindred wren]

That replay. I thought I was about to see an interesting game

All I saw was a Bat Chat sitting around in cover near the frontline with no chances for peeks and waiting for the team to die before repositioning

[drifting grove]

At the very beginning, he had a clear shot on that IS-8 and could've clipped him.```

[silent light]

I fear FV 183

[rigid thunder]

exactly the same observation here. If anything, I'd say that was a winnable game that was thrown away. Not only was the corridor completely uncovered by enemy TDs, which is literally a free pass for him to drive straight down to flank the enemy, he spent far too much time waiting at the ridges instead of doing something to help his teammates.

[silent light]

It can be every where

[rigid thunder]

The M103 did the best he could, and you or the 57 heavy really should've supported him. In fact, even the E5 was able to solo one of the 183s which places him far above whatever you did that match

[silent light]

2 FV 183 can make me very passive... because i don't want to be slapped by FV 183

Or worse is die instantly

I just thought "may be my teammate can kill those FV then distrack e 100 and med for me then i can shoot them"

[manic carbon]

183 punishes bad positioning. It’s usually quite predictable to know where a 183 will be, or to figure out where he likely is if you’re paying attention to the enemy team’s positioning and such.
183 has meh mobility and awful camo rating, so it’s not too difficult to play around one

[rigid thunder]

It was extremely easy to tell where the 2 183s where, since the bush you took at the start of the game is amazing in spotting enemy TDs. No 183s were there, and no 183s ever shot at the T57 heavy. It was very obvious that they'd be over at the south-eastern spot, and you still made the mistake of cresting the ridge and taking an unnecessary 900 damage

[silent light]

I still blamed T110E5

[rigid thunder]

well, don't lol because he actually did stuff

[silent light]

I tried to flank heavies but E 100, sheridan was there

I thought " No way i will do this "

[rigid thunder]

the M103 could've easily won the fight if you or the 57 just went to the ditch and murdered the IS-8. You're flanking from the wrong side, since that area is heavily watched by the remaining unspotted tanks.
It's not that hard to just take a LEFT turn, and literally drive straight down

[silent light]

Still fear Fv 183... since all fv 183 i met was super lucky

[rigid thunder]

except you should've already known they weren't watching that corridor

[silent light]

I tried to peak and take 1000 damage in other match

[rigid thunder]

If you're so afraid of TDs then how can you even blame other players?

[silent light]

I thought like this " heavies, meds, lts and tds can bully me so i just need to wait for my team distrack them and i will shoot enemies "

[drifting grove]

Don't forget rubbish accuracy.

[silent light]

Only 183

[rigid thunder]

that's basically saying

"haha move onwards my meat shields, take damage for me, for I the mighty BC-25T only has a HP pool of one"

[silent light]

I don't mean that

[rigid thunder]

as this guy said earlier, it's very easy to predict a 183s position. You were playing far too passively against an imaginary 183
and yes, that's exactly what you mean. You're unwilling to take damage, and want your teammates to take all of it for you (spoiler alert, they die)

[silent light]

Is 8 ? Well... i could but i didn't shoot.

Only FV 183 make me fear while other make me think they are juicy target

Welp guess i have a lots of serious problems

[rigid thunder]

If you're only scared of a 183 and no other TD in the game you probably have some issues

it's fine to be afraid of TDs, but not to the extent of thinking they're in every single bush

[silent light]

I have been slaped by Fv 18e a lots of ...

[thick trout]

The positions you can predict the 183 to be in cover almost all the map, and chances are he'll just spam HESH so that's 500dmg minimum the moment you poke, ignoring all of the rest of the reds

[silent light]

So i just to be careful when enemy have FV 183

I try to peak and slaped, try to run around get slaped, help heavies and get slaped

[rigid thunder]

yeah, except in that situation it was very unlikely a single 183 was in either bush

[silent light]

So i have to help T110E5, IS 8?

[thick trout]

Why?? It's very likely it's in a position that can see almost all the map 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[rigid thunder]

are we talking about the same spot? I'm referring to the one watching over the corridor

[silent light]

So what problems did i do ? Don't kill IS 8, know where tds camp ?

Flanked wrong side ?

Be an idiot, a bot in this match ?

[thick trout]

I'm talking about a 183 in general, so it applies here no matter what

[silent light]

Eh hello ? ....

[rigid thunder]

you went the wrong side that would very likely have enemy TDs watching (in red)

[silent light]

I thought mostly tds would go to the top and camp at some bushes ?

[rigid thunder]

and by continuing to occupy the bush you took at the start of the game, you could've spotted any 183 attempting to take positions at the top

[silent light]

So where can i ?

[kindred wren]

If I were him I would have tried to play with the E5 at the latest when I‘d have gotten hit by the 183, because then I knew they‘re there

[rigid thunder]

? I'm not saying you can predict a 183's position based on sheer instinct. It's easy to predict due to their poor speed and terrible camo. And in that game, it would've been impossible for a 183 to take the north east bush w/o being lit

[kindred wren]

Looking at the positioning of his team, the left was always a lost cause and counter-pushing with the Bat Chat would only have made the E100, Sheridan and T-22 Medium counterpush as well

Shooting or not shooting the IS-8 at the start is a question of being spotted, though I would have shot him because it‘s not like many others can and like I need to stay invisible

[silent light]

I thought he was even a idiot

To sum up, I am a stupid player who don't understand my teammate ?

That is the brutal truth for me.

[kindred wren]

Well

[silent light]

I thought T110E5 was crazy to go alone and solo

[kindred wren]

No. The E5 wasn‘t really playing a smart position, but that doesn‘t mean that you cannot play with him to open a new flank (since the other flank was clearly lost looking at how your tank destroyers positioned themselves)

[silent light]

Ok ?

Welp, my E 75 and Emil 2 have high winrates is because i only need to push, know where is for heavies.

Know to side scrapping and hull down

[kindred wren]

You as a Bat. Chat. don‘t stand much chance on the flank you were on due to the superior numbers of enemy tanks and the confinement. You‘d have to hope that the enemy ignores a lane, which they didn‘t, which was why you were sitting around being useless

[silent light]

I followed some advices like stick to my teammate, don't go alone

Do not solo every tanks unless they have low health

[kindred wren]

Well, you wouldn‘t have gone alone if you played with the E5

[silent light]

I thought he was an idiot to go alone

[kindred wren]

To be fair in a light the ‚not going alone‘ rule is more of a detriment than a help

[rigid thunder]

he kind of is not so smart to even go to that position
but if it means you can do more in your current state then it'd be a good idea to go with him

[silent light]

I have seen a lots of situation when one of my teammates go alone

[kindred wren]

Then un-idiot his choices by playing with him, aka not making him go alone 👀

[silent light]

So i conclued that i shouldn't go with him or i will die

And some situation i even struggle fighting meds amd lts

[kindred wren]

Honestly, depends on how good you are yourself. Having a really bad teammates isn‘t that bad because their mistakes make the enemy focus him which allows you to take them down without much trouble. Just be sure to keep your teammate alive if you can

[hollow notch]

If you have a hp pool, use it. There is no point in keeping it at 100% and then dieing in a 1v7 at the end. This doesn't mean pointlessly bleed hp though.

insert superuni anger

[kindred wren]

I disagree. Don‘t use your hp pool just for the sake of using it. Conserve hp

[rigid thunder]

trying too hard to conserve your hp is digging into the mindset of "all your teammates are absolute garbage all of the time"
While this might be the case, it rarely is for all the games you play. In many situations, you'll see that making certain plays that might involve you taking a hit or 2 for your team will help you win the game

[silent light]

Sad

[kindred wren]

How is that digging into that mindset? There is no clear causation

[rigid thunder]

He did say "this doesn't mean pointlessly bleed hp", and you didn't agree, which means I misunderstood then

[silent light]

Sad

[kindred wren]

There are situations when you can make good trades in the individual situation but lose the battle with them because you don‘t have the hp later on to make a better trade. And usually the best trades are coming up towards the end

[silent light]

So ?

I have the same problems in t 54 ltwt, i used it as a bait to distrack enemies from battle to make my heavies push

I feel alone now

[muted frost]

this stock gun of E100 looks weird

[silent light]

Lol

[lyric swift]

what is that

what on earth is that?

[violet timber]

The immortal from WoT PC

[lyric swift]

lol..

[past fractal]

When you realise the immortal has 5000 mm track armor

[rigid thunder]

you're not supposed to track it so yeah

[past fractal]

And the hull has 500 mm all around

Speaking of armor, can modern mbts pen the immortal’s armor (not the weakspots)?

[violet timber]

500mm? The front, possibly, the sides and rear, easily.

[thorny smelt]

Go salvo

[solid gate]

why t55a is a blitz nation tank why just designated it as an german tank since its been used on east germany why raumpanzer is german and its been used by the west hmm need to change the t55a flag

[radiant coral]

It’s german/russian
They couldn’t decide which nation so it became a hybrid tank

[solid gate]

sadge and how about raumpanzer hmm 😕

[radiant coral]

Probs the same wouldn’t be surprised

[solid gate]

hmm its a german tank tho

[violet timber]

It's a joint Russian/East German project

[radiant coral]

From all sources what i got what is confirmed
It*"should"* be a German tank

[violet timber]

In reality it should be Russian since they're the ones who developed it, they just gave some to East Germany to use

[radiant coral]

For me it’s just a T-54 with more armor

[violet timber]

It's a T-55 with increased armor against radiation. The Soviets realized that nukes were becoming more and more like to be used and so they wanted a tank that could survive better in a nuclear fallout situation

[strange thicket]

t55a doesn't have more armor than t54

[analog fox]

So found this interesting concept for M4/FL10 using an Egyptian Flag background.

Should it be Egyptian or Israeli?

[strange thicket]

Egyptian, since it was made for them

[radiant coral]

Your right tho
But for me i bounce with it quite more shells then with T-54 no clue why

[fringe drift]

this camo

[grave berry]

I’m trying to find out about these three tanks i won….any help appreciated.

This WZ-111 5A Chinese tier X

This one as well

And finally this one. Thanks.

[kindred wren]

Ok, how experienced are you in the game?

[grave berry]

I’m experience…a very old player…back in the game.

Prob have 50000 games played though

[pallid moss]

👀

[grave berry]

Yeah. I started originally way back when the game came out.. i bought some crates and won these things….they were not in the game when i played last

[kindred wren]

Ok, the T54E2 is a very straightforward tank. It‘s your typical American hulldown tank, good turret, good mobility, good gun. As long as you hide your lower plate you should be fine

[grave berry]

T54e2. Check. Got it.

[kindred wren]

The T25 Pilot Number 1 is basically like the Pershing in faster with less armour. Hulldown is your best friend as well, and you should mostly try to avoid fighting heavies frontally

[grave berry]

Roger that on 25

[drifting grove]

T54E2 is probably the best Tier VIII atm.
Idk about pilot.
WZ-115A is rubbish. IS-7, but no armour.

[kindred wren]

WZ-111 5A is much akin to the WZ-111 1-4 and IS-8. Hullarmour isn‘t great but you can get lucky bounces, and sidescraping works reasonably well. The main focus of the tank is the high mobility (for a heavy) and great gun. Gundepression is meh but the turret armour makes up for that

[grave berry]

Roger that on WZ

[hard cedar]

gun depression is excellent considering front mounted turret and the fact it's chinese

[kindred wren]

Well, for a Soviet style tank it‘s good at 7 degrees

[grave berry]

I like heaviums so that may work.

[kindred wren]

It‘s a bit special but those who like it do so with a passion

[grave berry]

“Special”. Haha. Little yellow bus sort of way??

Or “secret special sauce” like on a tasty burger??

And why does this discord thing have slow mode where i have to wait 30 seconds before i can type again? Odd.

[kindred wren]

Like frog-legs. Some regard them as a delicious delicacy while others find them horrible

[grave berry]

I suppose because im a new player again. Or something

[kindred wren]

Because this server believes that a 30 second slow mode is the only way for them to protect themselves against raids

[grave berry]

Oh. Well that blows. But anyway - thanks for the information on the tanks…at least now I can understand how to play them when i roll them. Out after i save 7 billion silver to get equipment loaded. Ha

[kindred wren]

Have fun getting the credits 🙃

[hollow notch]

more armor

[kindred wren]

On the mantlet, yes, but it doesn‘t really matter unless you fight heavies which you shouldn‘t anyways

[hollow notch]

Hmmmmm
I dunno, less green seems like a better idea than slightly more useful armor against stock tier 7s

[kindred wren]

Curious choice of gun, ammo and equipment you have there

Against mediums you can usually expect to be shot at with standard

[untold crypt]

Are IS 6 worth 7k gold ? I thinking about buying is but idk is good or not

[violet timber]

It’s not that good tbh

[kind falcon]

IS-6 is ok but its not worth that much gold, just save it for when a better tank comes to store like 252U

[boreal spruce]

hmm..🤔

[solid gate]

Please

[hollow notch]

Whatever the t44 defaulted to lol

[thorny smelt]

Still looks like a skin disease to me

[past fractal]

Same picture with standard

[charred path]

this tank could exist right, imagine a tier 10 of this, armored with excellent penetration

[past fractal]

Looks like you made the Maus a triangle

[charred path]

it's like an E 100 with the 183

[charred path]

yes, I had kind of an idea to take the bad one or the E 100 and join it with a triangle

[boreal spruce]

wth? is that the legendary camo??

[signal ginkgo]

Yep

[boreal spruce]

they could have done better
they were obviously still halloweened themed

[boreal spruce]

i cant wait for t100, it's one of my fav tanks in PC,

[signal ginkgo]

Wotb icon

[charred path]

is the t100 good?

[signal ginkgo]

Yes

[charred path]

huum

[boreal spruce]

(on PC my opinion)🖥️
it has a average gun
no gun depp
speedy
its height is the best thing about the tank
it is the ultimate brawler light (apart form the wz132)
it relys on speed so dont stop moving

[charred path]

Today I bought the KV-2, now all that's left is to get the high damage cannon, why play with that cannon, just for god

[verbal cypress]

152mm?

[charred path]

yes

[verbal cypress]

Ah classic
And sometimes pain

[charred path]

thanks buddy

[boreal spruce]

no worries mate! its a great tonk

[verbal cypress]

Because when I use ap I always hit the fu- track

[charred path]

I think he's very stolen

[verbal cypress]

Wah

[charred path]

that's it, I'm going to sleep guys, bye, good night

[verbal cypress]

Bye

[boreal spruce]

cya mate!

[ancient iron]

is it bad that I REALLY like the Bret Panther?

[spark basin]

60tp rammer or calibrated

[boreal spruce]

rammer,

[violet timber]

Nope, Bret Panther is really good a bullying in tier 6

[violet timber]

Cali, need that extra pen for hull down targets which is what you should be facing most of the time

[spark basin]

alright

[violet timber]

Most of the time if the answer isn’t obvious, pick Cali

There are few exceptions where rammer/vents are better

The only two I can currently think of that I run vents on is T69 because dpm and 50B because 340 APCR pen

[light laurel]

is the vickers gud?

[drifting grove]

Best light tank in the game.

[light laurel]

ahh i see
TY

[turbid jacinth]

Any tips for driving the O-47 around? I can’t seem to get the results from it that I see from various YouTubers with bouncing shells. Seems to just attract shells from all 7 enemy tanks.

[onyx sluice]

Just show your turret, it is the only place where you can bounce shells.

[turbid jacinth]

So pretty much always hull down?

[ancient iron]

also be mindful....
I tend to keep a supply of HE for hull down tanks solely to incap the gun as a "fine neither of us can do damage then" play... yeah kinda a jerk move but w/e and somehow I doubt I am the only one to think of doing that

[plucky summit]

Yeah, I try to go for the lowest part of the turret to splash the deck for maximum damage

[mystic bobcat]

or just, you know, find another target

[onyx sluice]

Gun and the tracks, lock them in place. Especially broken tanks like the Shark.

[full cargo]

Do I save up xp for another tank or get all the upgrades in the current tank?

[drifting grove]

That's a bloody clever idea, actually.

[thorny smelt]

I think this is my best with the 50TP Prototyp.

[split adder]

This is my best. Can't believe I aced it.

[thorny smelt]

Almost there... but the numbers are chef's kiss

[split adder]

Assistance damage contributes ALOT to masteries(XP)

Did over 3k assistance damage and got an ace for less than 3k normal damage.

[full cargo]

Is the m48 patton good?

[drifting grove]

It is, I think.

[royal cargo]

The jag 8.8 including 30days prem time plus all those boosters and multiplyers for 5500 gold is pretty good but I should save the gold for black Friday right

[full cargo]

K thanks

[mystic bobcat]

i only have 2 Ace medals, one with Ferdinand and one with IS-3

[split adder]

Yes it is now probably the best all round medium at the tier.

Good gun, good armour, good mobility.

[full cargo]

What about is7 and is2?

[split adder]

Keep trying and improving. You'll get a lot more. I have 109 masteries but got most of them after hitting 5000 battles. Until then, I was struggling too.

Watch videos from pros. Watch how they play and why they play the way they do.

I'm not the best player either. I'm trying to improve as well.

[mystic bobcat]

Well, if only i needed it. I only play it to kill time on the job, when i have it to kill, and because i love tanks. I think if there was a better game on mobile about historical tanks - i've switched a long time ago

[weak marlin]

Option on the chieftain/T95 (teir VIII)

[pallid moss]

hi everyone, i need a suggestion
which line should i grind first??

[mystic bobcat]

none of the above, EU is a manlet lineup

[rigid thunder]

well, all lines are great but I'd recommend the Polish HT line over the Swedish if you're going for HTs. Only go for the Progetto 65 if you're decent at unarmoured mediums and autoreloading mechanics

[scarlet kernel]

Can you exchange the special progetto camo?

[pallid moss]

ok, thnx

[blissful hamlet]

263 is a good line? I'm thinking about getting the 263 after getting the 268

[rigid thunder]

the 263 is a huge pain to play with the dumpster fire dispersion, and the SU-101 is absolute trash. The 100M1 is mediocre, while the 12254 is fun to play. Your call, but imo this line is pretty bad

[blissful hamlet]

So i think i will go to Ho-Ri line

[thorny smelt]

Go for it dude

[rigid thunder]

the ho-ri is a significantly better line, with only the tier 8 being somewhat of a mediocre tank, and playing the tier 10 isn't the direct equivalent of kicking yourself in the groin, because playing the 263 sure feels like it

[blissful hamlet]

I already have the british tds, grille, and i'm grinding xp for jageroo, E4 and 268, i want new experiences

[rigid thunder]

well if you want to suffer the 263 is the perfect tank for you

[blissful hamlet]

T28 prot and 183 already prepared me to suffer

[silent light]

Need help

[rigid thunder]

at least in the 183 you can experience neuron activation with huge alpha strikes, while the 263 just gives you 460 per hit

[silent light]

I enjoy playing T28 prototype although i was slapped by a lots of tier 9

[blissful hamlet]

At least 263 has armor

[rigid thunder]

well, you have "armour"
better than most TDs but when your tank has such horrendous dispersion it won't work out that well in close range

[silent light]

.

This time it is the same as the match T110E5 soloed 2 FV

But it is super conqueror solo T54 stock

Yolo wagon nowaday is powerful

I did a normal job of lts

Then sheridan appeared and he was slaped by my team, i decided to go up again to spot but 60TP was there too so i decided to help super congqueror to kill T54 and then kill 60TP but he died after solo T54 Stock

I just killed T54 stock and my heavies were already losing

[thorny smelt]

It is full red even the gun mantlet until it turns around and it is a different story

[silent light]

I can not tracked yolo wagon

[thorny smelt]

Just wait when object 268 V4 is out

[silent light]

I heard that that thing is broken

[thorny smelt]

In PC yeah

[silent light]

It is like a combination of Yolo wagon and object 268 @thorny smelt

[thorny smelt]

With insane armor and speed

[silent light]

Become Ulimate tonk, now i have to find a way to deal this thing in BatChat

[thorny smelt]

It is a medium bully

[silent light]

Maybe neft its gun dispersion, gun depression ?

[thorny smelt]

The gun depression is depressing already and bad accuracy

[silent light]

Yay

[silent light]

It cupola is weak

I guess its alpha is 650

With reload is 15 sec

[thorny smelt]

It's 750 in PC just like E 100 and Object 268 so it will lower like 640 in Blitz.

[rigid thunder]

(it gets 650 along with the 705A just saying)

[silent light]

Lol, i will suffer by this tonk

[thorny smelt]

Oh I want the Object 705A. A proper USSR derp heavy tank after KV-2

[silent light]

My BatChat will be died instantly, bullied by HE shells

Flank but still died

[full cargo]

Should I get is7 or is2?

[silent light]

IS 2 ? Chinese tonk ?. Get IS 7

[thorny smelt]

IS-2 is a tier 7 Chinese heavy tank

[full cargo]

I meant is4 lol

[silent light]

IS 4 @full cargo

[full cargo]

Yes

[silent light]

@thorny smelt have you seen a weird variation of KV 4 in wot pc ?

[thorny smelt]

I think so

[silent light]

KV-4 tds, it has 4° left and 10° right, if i am not wrong

[thorny smelt]

@silent light

[silent light]

That thing

I want it so badly @thorny smelt

[thorny smelt]

Give KV-4 122 mm D-25TS gun

[thorny smelt]

I think you're referring to KV-4 KTTS

[silent light]

Yes @thorny smelt

[thorny smelt]

Quite weird tank destroyer

[pallid vapor]

Hi guys! I have some free XP and I want to get one of these tanks: Yoh, Krvgn and 50B. Which one do you recommend? And could 60TP be an option among the three?

[solid gate]

It depends if u want fun or tournament tank. If it is fun take 50B. If it is for tournament, take yoh. All of those tanks are ok for tournament but yoh is in more strategies than the 2 others.

[violet timber]

IS-7

[full cargo]

k

[royal cargo]

how many coupons will the t54e2 be available for during black friday

[lyric swift]

Idk dude we still dont know

[onyx sluice]

By Black Friday I will have around 9000 gold saved up, is it good?

Also will I need gold for the Christmas event?

[violet timber]

That should be relatively good, and yes you will need a lot of gold for Christmas

[silent light]

How to fight med in BatChat ?

[violet timber]

Dump clip and run

[silent light]

I did but fail

I just dump clip at standar B and died after that

[violet timber]

There’s not much else you can do really

[silent light]

Sad, my meds were busy while i was standing there do nothing

[silent light]

I decided to flank myself and

[violet timber]

Make sure when you flank like that, that only the Standard can shoot you

[onyx sluice]

So what is better, using gold during Black Friday or Christmas?

[silent light]

Want gambling using gold in chirstmas, want a prenium tonk using gold in black friday

[violet timber]

Probably Christmas imo, unless you really want the Raum

[silent light]

Why ?

[violet timber]

Auctions

[silent light]

The last christmas event made Pantouflee suffered

He gambled to just get AMX M5 54

[onyx sluice]

I'm going to stay away from any crates. Took me almost a year to save up that gold.

[violet timber]

I usually just accept the fact that I’m not getting the tier 10, grind for the one snowglobe, and look at the auctions

[royal cargo]

what can you do with 10k on christmas

[silent light]

@onyx sluice then use gold on Black Friday my friend

[royal cargo]

should i save the 10k for christmas or black friday

[onyx sluice]

I'm hoping IS-5 or the E75 TS will be up for sale.

[violet timber]

You can get a relatively good prem if you play the auctions right

[silent light]

I want object 252U or IS-5

[royal cargo]

isnt the is5 like 1500gold

[violet timber]

IS-5 is available through clan supply and no other means

[silent light]

What ??? I have 2200 gold

[silent light]

How can i have that tonk ?

[onyx sluice]

Sorry not the IS-5, the KV-5.

[violet timber]

Get in a clan with tier X clan supply, then get your personal supply to tier X and it’s available for purchase

[silent light]

Still happy if there is no other, i will buy KV-5 in the future

[silent light]

Yyayayayayayayaya THANKS YOU

[onyx sluice]

Wonder what the Christmas tank will be this year? The only tier 10 premium that interests me is the VK90.

[silent light]

Or Smasher ?

[violet timber]

The best guess right now is the Kpf 50t

[onyx sluice]

Tier 10, not 7.

[silent light]

Hmmm.... Super Conqueror ?

[onyx sluice]

Not my playstyle.

[silent light]

I knew it was on shop but maybe ? ( 1% )

[violet timber]

Christmas tanks are always new

[silent light]

Why ? It has superb armour and good gun, dpms

[royal cargo]

get to clan supply lvl 10 and buy it for 1500

[onyx sluice]

Its a hulk down tank and the alpha damage is only 400.

[silent light]

I will wait for black friday, thanks for information.

[violet timber]

The gun is meh

[silent light]

I shouldn't trust my team super conqueror in the lastest match

[violet timber]

Honestly the skonk is rather good in the current meta

[onyx sluice]

I'm still pissed that Wargaming killed the second French heavy line for a Christmas premium.

[violet timber]

I’d rather them add new tanks than just copy some over from pc

[silent light]

Kv-4 KTTS i am willing to buy it

[rigid thunder]

copying over is fine and all, but making them a little different goes a long way , which the broken consumables are surprisingly good for

[violet timber]

Ew that’s disgusting

[silent light]

Aww i am hated

[violet timber]

We basically already have it in the T28 HTC

[onyx sluice]

There was a proposal for mounting the 130mm gun with a strong turret on the AMX 50B hull. That could make a nice alternative tier 10 tank.

[violet timber]

What’s the tank called?

[onyx sluice]

Can I post links here?

[violet timber]

If it pertains to the tank I don’t see why not

[blissful hamlet]

Aka M4 54

[violet timber]

That’s not a 50B hull lol

[blissful hamlet]

But better than a 50 B hull

[violet timber]

Not really, lower plate is paper and the sides are still weak. 50B hull is impenetrable from the front

It’s also much taller which requires more gun depression

[thick trout]

The main section of the 50bs hull is impenetrable but the upper angled side plates are extremely weak and HEable by 150s and the lowest plate is weak too

[violet timber]

Still better than the tier 10 AMX M4

[blissful hamlet]

At least french know how to make a ht fast

[rigid thunder]

better and worse, because you really don't want to eat 1000dmg from your front

[thick trout]

50b has smaller lower plate but awful upper sides, it's a trade-off and lower plated are generally much easier to hide

[blissful hamlet]

If it were me firing the HE, you can be sure I would hit the tracks or the turret

[rigid thunder]

lol

[violet timber]

50B also has a paper turret so me arguing that the hull is good doesn’t really do anything

[blissful hamlet]

I aimed in the E 100 turret using grille and hit the tracks

[onyx sluice]

Here is the proposal.

Its the same turret as the AMX M4/54 but on a AMX 50B hull. It carried a single shot 120mm gun, basically the same on the M103.

[violet timber]

I think you mean the M103 since the M109 is a 155mm self propelled howitzer

[onyx sluice]

Ah yes.

[violet timber]

I do like the idea though, I think balancing it may be a bit hard

[onyx sluice]

Considering the fact that historically the turret only had 6° gun depression yes.

[violet timber]

That’s 6 degrees on a low profile hull, it’d be enough to work with

[onyx sluice]

I don't see just how it will be competitive though, it lags behind in almost every aspect to already existing tanks.

[violet timber]

It takes the speed of a 50B and gives it a nearly impenetrable turret from the front

[onyx sluice]

But takes away the clipping potential.

[thorny smelt]

AMX M4 54 is AMX M4 49 in steroids

[violet timber]

It replaces it with a cyclic gun that can deal more reliable damage

[onyx sluice]

But you're a worse E5 at this point.

[violet timber]

You have a stronger turret and better mobility

[rigid thunder]

the E5 isn't really fast though? And its dpm is horrendous

[silent light]

Hey, i think i will grind the T110E5 line in the future

[violet timber]

Don’t bother, there’s much better hull down lines right now

[silent light]

So can T110E5 line side scrapping ?

[rigid thunder]

no

[violet timber]

Hahahahahhaha no.

[silent light]

This will be hard for me...

[rigid thunder]

don't ever sidescrape in any american tank, unless you're confident your opponent has the IQ of a rock

[onyx sluice]

IMO it will be an interesting concept if they buff the hull armor, make the lower plate stronger than the upper plate. Like a Tiger II at tier 10.

Give it extremely bad side armor and bad traverse speed.

[silent light]

I did in T28 prot and magically bounced ( and slaped 1000 damage )

[violet timber]

Ehhhhh, give it some dpm back and it’ll be fine

[onyx sluice]

I was talking about the French proposal, not the E5.

[violet timber]

Ohhhhh, that would be kinda neat

[muted fog]

For me, it says not for sale when I click on purchase button for 1500 gold.

[violet timber]

It might be glitched right now, weegee is known for that

[silent light]

So ? I was going to buy WZ heavy tier 9 again

[onyx sluice]

The poor Chinese tier 10 is forgotten both on PC and on Blitz.

[violet timber]

The 113? It’s not forgotten, it’s actually used in comp for dpm

[silent light]

Should i

[violet timber]

Yes, the 113 is rather good

[drifting grove]

Tier IX is the WZ-111-1-4, isn't it?

Oh, okay.

[violet timber]

111 models 1-4

[onyx sluice]

I didn't saw any in the Blitz Cup stream.

[silent light]

Yes

[violet timber]

A team definitely used them a few times

[silent light]

So i want to buy it again

[violet timber]

62A

[drifting grove]

T62A

[onyx sluice]

62A.
(Don't the Russians only have 1 tier 10 medium)

[blissful hamlet]

At least isn't that turret of AMX 65t

[rigid thunder]

140 (but I'm just biased)

[zealous anchor]

@solid gate me like 140 more

[onyx sluice]

No its not of the 65T.

[blissful hamlet]

I know, I said at least it's not that 65t turret

[hard cedar]

62a is just better rn

[rigid thunder]

it's better but personal preferences so yeah
you should get both at the end of the day anyways

one's a ht, one's a mt. Just pick whichever you prefer, though a note is that the IS-4's playstyle is rather boring

[hard cedar]

62a

Neither Premium spam against is4 or he spam against 62a are big issues

[charred tiger]

how is the leopard pt a/leopard 1played

[onyx sluice]

Frontline and side scrape/jk.

It has no armor but good gun and mobility so peek-a-boom is the best choice, you can also circle isolated heavies.

[hard cedar]

Flank and find angles to crossfire people from
If you can't just hang around and play support
Peek a boom is ineffective with 350 alpha

[lyric copper]

still would be funny if they gave it a 120mm with 400 alpha

[red obsidian]

How do I play the Chaffee?

[wispy hearth]

Shoot everyone

[violet timber]

Speed. Never stop moving, try to light up enemies

[fathom shoal]

Progetto needs a buff, compared to other meds it can't 1v1 make it meta somehow, it isn't even funny cause the reload is so long for 3 shells, make it 4 or smth

[violet timber]

Which Prog?

[fathom shoal]

65

[blissful hamlet]

I think 4 is too much for a autoreloader, would reduce the dpm

[charred vigil]

Mm bruh the t62a obviously is a better tank but I think 140 is more enjoyable playing

Alright but 140 is a aggressive tank so if you like that kind of gameplay you should just get both

[violet timber]

I think it should get a bit of a mobility buff tbh

[high anvil]

Either mobility, gun handling or DPM. Right now it's mediocre in all 3 for a med and it also can't hulldown, so it struggles to find a place in a game

[plucky summit]

@violet timber I drew the tank too large for the paper to have the stats on, and since I’m a lazy piece of trash, I’m not drawing it again. With strong shoulder plates, a well angled turret with strong flat plates, and a small cupola, it suits well for your sidescraping dreams

[violet timber]

Yoooooo that’s hot

120mm gun I assume?

[plucky summit]

I guess so

Also you can’t see it, but there’s four frontal plates, the lowest is really angled

Dare I abbreviate, UFP, MFP, LFP, and VLFP

[violet timber]

The lowest front plate

[plucky summit]

Yeah but that’s relative, VLFP indicates precisely the position of it

There could be a VVLFP 😳

[violet timber]

True, makes sense

Just a ton of lfp, but it’s not rounded

[plucky summit]

Yeah

[violet timber]

That’d be kinda hot

[plucky summit]

Yep, it’ll say no to AP and APCR shells :)

[violet timber]

Then HEAT shows up

[plucky summit]

Surely it’s not 80 degrees 😏

[violet timber]

Just 81, then 82, then 83, say no to HEAT

[plucky summit]

80 with 52mm makes 300mm effective

[violet timber]

Ez ricochets

[plucky summit]

Well if you’re not a Jageroo or 183, it’s always a ricochet

[violet timber]

We don’t really care about those tank, especially that 183

[plucky summit]

Well, HEAT’s still winning the fight

[violet timber]

Well, I don’t like HEAT so we should remove it

[plucky summit]

Yeah, why no normalization or the same penetration loss after going through spaced armor

[violet timber]

I think we should just give HEAT normalization, just to see what happens

[plucky summit]

Ok I gotta go

Stay cute out there

[violet timber]

You too

[restive ravine]

Hello everyone, I wanted to know why I can't buy the IS-5 since I unlock it ?
Does anyone have a same issue ?

I have enough gold to purchase it (1500 gold)

[violet timber]

Weegee usually messes it up with updates

[restive ravine]

So I need to wait untill a next update ? 😩

[violet timber]

Maybe

IS-5 isn’t even that good

[restive ravine]

🥲 I will try to contact there support

Yeh, but still I want it. I can't do nothing good with my 1500 gold lol since I don't event play on mobile to watch ads and get some gold haha

[violet timber]

Could save it for later, get a better prem

[restive ravine]

A tier 8 prem is too high in gold, I can't wait for so long 😅 and open wotb each day to watch ads. I already spend real money on Lowe during a discount so now only ads for gold.

[strange thicket]

Watch the streams
Every year they give out free perms during autumn season

[ashen summit]

for the kranvagn with the dragon camo, why is it that if i point my gun at the turret the eyes ae grey? can i pen them?

[restive ravine]

Yeh, so no need to have gold right ?
Mm ok then I will save it and see until Christmas past

[astral robin]

? Between these two tanks which is better 59 Patton argntinga or type 59 ding ? Just wondering what everyone else’s thoughts are

[steep canyon]

well those are good they have turret armor and excellent mobility for Mt

[hard cedar]

no.

[steep canyon]

So

[paper star]

is leopard good ?

[steep canyon]

for DPM and speed ofc its good for medium tank

[strange thicket]

Type 59 is just a tiny bit better than 59 patton
Both of which are bad tanks

[astral robin]

Ok thanks for the info I’m just considering buying or to grind it out for a while

[scarlet kernel]

Which sounds like a better plan?

Grind t30 first, get the 150 mm gun, then grind the t28 then t95

Or get the t28 first after getting the 120mm, save free exp to get the 150mm

[past crane]

Finish grinding T30, makes grinding the other line much easier since the guns and engines are shared across both lines.

That way you only need the tracks when you get T95

[astral robin]

I’m currently at the m7 the t28 , t30 both look like my style of tank I’ll grind on won’t take me long

[analog silo]

I love my type 59 for being a challenge to do well in. The gun is just garbage at this point. Bad DPM, dead average alpha, bad penetration, and awful aim time. The hull armor is no longer strong like it once was as penetration has crept up a lot. But the turret is still godly and it drives well. I don’t recommend it.

[steep canyon]

dude we are talking about tanks not Buggati

yea ik but its okay for me if we talk abt cars

[astral robin]

@steep canyon tanks not cars

[steep canyon]

yea ik

well btw so should i grind the French heavy tanks?

[lament copper]

Which is better to buy
Tiger 2 cause it will be more competitive in 8.5 or the sneeky borsig

[steep canyon]

Tiger II

[lament copper]

If you're skilled enough you can
But some said its hard

[onyx sluice]

Both Tiger II and E75 are really good.

[forest mauve]

isn't tiger 2 getting an armour buffed or smth?

[steep canyon]

bcs Tiger II has the most armor but lacks of firepower than the borsig

[lament copper]

Yep he got buffed and slight nerf

[steep canyon]

so if u skilled enough suree if u want to buy the borsig bcs its a pure tank for camp

[lament copper]

Nah I'll buy tiger 2 and try to get the modules needed and the mastery they said its fun so why not imma try it

[steep canyon]

for me its good the Tiger II

[lament copper]

This will be painful or fun depends XD

Ight imma grind then

[steep canyon]

if u buy the borsig the grind is very painful due to its paper armor and can get tunelled easily if u rushed reclessly

[lament copper]

I bought it rn and i just need the modules as i have the 75% crew mastery

[steep canyon]

well i already researched the Tiger II months ago

[lament copper]

I see

Imma grind sone exp cya

[steep canyon]

cya

[lament copper]

Btw what's you ign in Asia

[steep canyon]

u mean my username?

[lament copper]

Yes

[steep canyon]

my username is ANTA_premio1lxjtech

[lament copper]

Nice

[steep canyon]

i have like 3k of battles and and a bit new

[lament copper]

Im also knew to the game i just started like October 2 if i remember

[steep canyon]

and i got all of these advices from my friend that is already skilled

[forest mauve]

my friends just gave up within the 1st week

[dusty spruce]

guys i got enough money to buy a tier 10 but i need an ht i researched kran maus and amx 50b which one is good?

[drifting grove]

50B is the strongest. One of the best HTs in the game.

[analog silo]

Maus because Maus. Or 50B if you have, or plan to develop, skills. Kran is also very good but has been falling out of favor recently.

[dusty spruce]

Thanks for the advices

[lament copper]

He's lazy

[steep canyon]

ye

[lament copper]

Its a bit painful in tiger 2 stock but after getting the engine and tracks its much better now

I just neet to get the turret then the cannons

[steep canyon]

well i think grinding on LT will be even more painful than the stock Tiger II

[charred vigil]

The speed feels sluggish to me, good traverse but maybe Im too used to fast tanks but it doesn't feel too too mobile and the reload time is bruh moment 9s* (prefer to run cali because pen also is eh) reload for 280 alpha is just sheesh im fine with everything else though

[lament copper]

Ye seems so you going to grind leopard 1 next?

[steep canyon]

Yes

[fiery palm]

I have noticed that the rhm w bt has extremely low armor… imo the t49 can be it’s greatest adversary. Multiple games I have taken 80-90% of its hit points away with one shot lol

[steep canyon]

Its my dream tank

[neat nimbus]

hear me out wg should add the attachments as part of the stalwart camo

now if you ask me they should port this 3d style as legendary camo im sure people will buy it

[full cargo]

Should I get all upgrades for a tank or save up xp for the next tier tank?

or uh where do I ask questions?

[past fractal]

Should I get E 100?

The E 100 line looks interesting

[weak oxide]

@neat nimbus PC?

[steep canyon]

Or the WoTB one?

[midnight hemlock]

hey guys, just wondering, im upgrading my T-54, i free xp'ed the gun and the turret, what do i get next? tracks or engine?

[full cargo]

Should I get all the upgrades or save up for a higher tier tank?

[midnight hemlock]

go for the turret for the extra gun mantle armor @full cargo

[full cargo]

So just buy upgrades that u need then save for the higher tier tank?

[steep canyon]

Yes

Bcs u need it for future use for grinding on higher tiers and its important to save free xp for those tanks

[dusk tree]

is jagdtiger worthit?

[steep canyon]

Well for armor and gun ofc but for mobility its kinda suck so if u want a TD made for rushing u better take JagdTiger

[dusk tree]

well wz 120 ft vs jagdtiger

[steep canyon]

U mean 8.8 cm pak JgTiger?

[dusk tree]

ye

[steep canyon]

Well idk abt it

But ik how suck that thing is

[azure stump]

guys wait with wasting money till black frisday

[solid gate]

Hey guys, I want a new premium medium tank, and I see the Type 59 and 59 Patton in the shop. I want to sell my 50TP Prototyp, and get the 59 Patton. Should I do it? And does the 59 Patton make a lot of credits? Thank you

[azure stump]

wait until black friday there will be more better preiums

[steep canyon]

Yep and also they are free

[solid gate]

Affirmative! Thank you! I shall wait for Black Friday then.

[steep canyon]

U need to get those coupons to win those awesome tank

[azure stump]

last year i bought a obj 252u for 5k gold

[solid gate]

wow. does the 252u make a lot of credits

[azure stump]

sure

[steep canyon]

Its armor is good

[azure stump]

one of the best t8 heavy tanks i could say that the best

[solid gate]

i think i might go for 252u then

[steep canyon]

King Tiger

[azure stump]

but i dont know wchcich tanmks will be this yera about 2 weeks to black friday

[steep canyon]

I better say the best is like the Caernarvon Action X

[solid gate]

its not that every single premium tank will be on sale?

[steep canyon]

Yes it is, so u need to save golds to get ur dream tank

[azure stump]

no about 5 tanks

[steep canyon]

Yeap and i am almost saving golds for Kamenon JagdPanzer IV

[azure stump]

last year it was type 59 lorr 40t vk 168 obj some other lower tier tanks

[steep canyon]

Loraine 40t to play that thing u have a super skilles player like 10k more battles to mastered that

[solid gate]

oh i see. Guess well just have to wait and see what tanks will be there this year.

[steep canyon]

U need 10k battles to play that bcs it has no armor

[azure stump]

i have bc im auto loader enjoyer i have6k battles

[steep canyon]

Cool

Sometimes autoloaders are suck for me bcs how long magazine rld time is like more than 10 secs so its main weakness of all autoloaders

[azure stump]

ith worse now couse many other autoloaders were added like prog or skoda

but its still good

[steep canyon]

Well Progs are basically Autoreloader

[azure stump]

sure but i count them as autoloader

[steep canyon]

Autoloader are Skoda tanks from Czech line

[azure stump]

for me batchat is still pretty good tank

[steep canyon]

Yes it is is like a tier 10 baguette

Bcs i called most of French LTs are bagguettes

[scarlet kernel]

what's worse, fully stock t30 (120mm and 75% crew) or a 75% crew t95 with top modules?

[azure stump]

t30

[onyx sluice]

T30.

[solid gate]

Do you guys think the Chi To SPG is op?

[steep canyon]

For armor ofc its op and mobility like the normal Chi To

[mystic bobcat]

Guys, does upgraded turret on T-10 worth the xp, if i am only playing it go get IS-7?

[drifting grove]

Yes.

[mystic bobcat]

oh, ok, then i'll spend some free xp when i get it

[drifting grove]

Foch 155 with autoloader exists.

You can get it for free.
Grind up to it.

[mystic bobcat]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[drifting grove]

┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)

[mystic bobcat]

Gib guy the Foch goddamit

[drifting grove]

XD

[mystic bobcat]

Also, why T-10 is named IS-8? I would accept it if it was test batch vehicle, or prototype, but in game it is actual mass produced model, and it was adopted into military service as T-10, not IS-8

[thorny smelt]

Politics dude. Check up about it when IS-8 is renamed to T-10.

[mystic bobcat]

that's not the point, i know why it was renamed, point is that it is the proper name for this model

[blissful hamlet]

Isn't fully stock with the 120mm

[blissful hamlet]

Political tension, it was produced after Stalin's death

[mystic bobcat]

Also, turret is already mamed T-10

[mystic bobcat]

yeah, i know that, it was adopted and mass produced after Stalin's death, so name was changed. But we have IS-5, which is early prototype of IS-8, so naming tech tree tank T-10 makes more sense, at least for me

[blissful hamlet]

I think you should ask to a historian or something, not to us

[mystic bobcat]

well we are here to share opinions after all

I shared mine, feel free to share yours about that. Or not, if you don't want to

[thorny smelt]

WOT PC has T-10 that leads to Object 277, not IS-7

[mystic bobcat]

Well, to be fair, most of the lineups are very very vague

[thorny smelt]

Tier 9 tank before IS-7 is Object 257

[mystic bobcat]

Like, Jagdpanther should'nt lead to Ferdinand, while Porsche Tiger should

[thorny smelt]

Well in WOT PC, JPanther II is a collector's vehicle

[mystic bobcat]

For the better i suppose, like there was just a single hull made for Panther 2

[thorny smelt]

And the hull itself is butter

[mystic bobcat]

kek, well IRL it was decent in terms of armor

[thorny smelt]

I wanted to go to Elefant but heck it is a different tank

I unlocked it though via Tiger P which is highly understandable

[mystic bobcat]

you mean in WoT PC?

cuz in Blitz Ferdinand is right after Jagdpanther

[thorny smelt]

In Blitz

[solid gate]

buff E4 goddammit

[mystic bobcat]

wait, Ferdinand can be researched trough Porsche Tiger?

[steep canyon]

Yes

[thorny smelt]

100% yes. It is based on Porsche Tiger chassis.

[blissful hamlet]

With the cost of 150k xp

[mystic bobcat]

my bad, haven't looked into tech tree for a while

[solid gate]

why is the kpfz 70 a german tank? it should be a hybrid nation or both american and german because it was a joined project between america and germany during the cold war

[violet timber]

The American version was the MBT 70. They’re technically slightly different, even though they were developed together at the same time

[solid gate]

only the name is different

kpfz 70 means the same as mbt 70 (main batte tank 70)

[violet timber]

Not exactly

[solid gate]

oh wow 30 difference. i think it should be a hybrid nation or it should have both flags

i mean they both joined the project with super small diferences so idk why its only german

[mystic bobcat]

it is completely different engine, my dude. They differ mechanically, and this game is based on real life tanks, not the other way around

[steep canyon]

So the Kpz 70 has more engine power tham MBT 70?

[solid gate]

it was a joined project between america and germany. later they stopped and worked on other tanks like the arbams and the leopard

[violet timber]

Technically yes, though each engine probably differs in rpm and torque numbers

[mystic bobcat]

yep, because they argued on engine and gun, that's why we ended up with 2 of them, one for Germany ans one for America

[solid gate]

this game is based on real life tanks? have you ever seen hybrid nation? btw the is-7 was the strongest when it came out. no one could penetrate it

[solid gate]

no they stopped because they had no more money to support the project so they went different ways

[mystic bobcat]

eh, none with a conventional AP round, APDS could give it a run for its money i think

[solid gate]

The MBT-70 or in German: the Kampfpanzer 70, was a joint project of Germany and the United States with the aim of developing a new advanced main battle tank. The project started in the early 1960s and ended in the late 1960s after a massive budget overrun. Germany withdrew and the US Congress canceled the project. The name stood for Main Battle Tank 1970s. straight from google

[blissful hamlet]

Isn't just engine, the KampfPz 70 has some different things in the design, the air outlet for example

[solid gate]

just google mbt 70

it says the project stopped because budget overrun

[violet timber]

They tested a JagdTiger gun which didn’t fire any modern HEAT rounds at the time, only kinetic penetrators

[blissful hamlet]

They are similar tanks, but not the same

[solid gate]

but still it should have both flags or hybrid nation

it was a joined project by both countries and overall the same. minus some little differences

[mystic bobcat]

HEAT is not that modern, it existed in WW2, HEAT-FS was modern version of it at the time

[blissful hamlet]

Nah, and T 55A shouldn't be in the hybrid nation

[solid gate]

why nah? both countries worked on it.

[violet timber]

I know, and I said that it didn’t have any modern HEAT rounds at the time.

[blissful hamlet]

Italy and Germany worked on the Leopard I, so would it need to be in the hybrid nation?

[solid gate]

The Leopard 1 is a German main battle tank of which the first example was built in 1965. Most users have since replaced the tank with a more modern one. In Germany, among others, the tank was replaced by its successor, the Leopard 2. In total more than 6485 units were delivered: 4744 battle tanks and 1741 variants. Of the main battle tanks, 720 were built under license in Italy, of the variants 160. In addition, there were 80 prototypes and pre-production vehicles.

[blissful hamlet]

But it wasn't a 100% german project

[mystic bobcat]

don't get it as the offenve, just a slight correction

[rigid thunder]

except a "slight correction" wasn't even needed?

[blissful hamlet]

If they had MBTs (including newer ones and prototypes like the WZ-122), which ones could belong to the hybrid nation?

[mystic bobcat]

it was, HEAT and HEAT-FS are quite different rounds

[violet timber]

What’s different aside from the fins for stabilization?

[mystic bobcat]

ahem, that's a big difference, you know

[rigid thunder]

if you attach fins to a ww2 era heat round you're not going to get much of a difference

[mystic bobcat]

not to mention that overall design of a charge, its shape and explosives inside

[violet timber]

It’s still HEAT, same core mechanics. It’s just been modernized with better technology. And like I said, JagdTiger couldn’t fire any of them

[rigid thunder]

he said "modern HEAT", which really obviously includes improved design and more effective explosive

[mystic bobcat]

But modern HEAT don't come without fins

[rigid thunder]

so you're telling me, despite all modern HEAT shells coming with fins
you absolutely must say "modern HEAT-FS"

[violet timber]

Do you see everyone running around calling it HEAT-FS right now? No, we call it HEAT because everyone understands what it is

[mystic bobcat]

Well, we have different companies then

[rigid thunder]

so if someone calls a round "modern heat", you have no idea what type of round they're talking about

[mystic bobcat]

I will have the idea that i should treat this person a little bit different, cuz you know, he might be salty just like you

[rigid thunder]

and there goes another braincell~

[mystic bobcat]

poor lad, where can i send some money?

[violet timber]

I’ll keep in mind when talking to you that you are very specific so I’ll try to be as general as possible 😁

In enjoy chemical penetrators, though kinetic penetrators are quite good with their normalization

[mystic bobcat]

Fine by me, i don't have a word limit, so i can specify everything

[violet timber]

I don’t have a word limit either, but I do have common sense

[mystic bobcat]

Good for you, i hope you use it well

[violet timber]

And I hope you gain it

[mystic bobcat]

Why do i need 2 of them?

[violet timber]

You obviously need more than I thought you did

[mystic bobcat]

Strong word, that "obviously"

[copper topaz]

Improve panther II and E50 speed

[blissful hamlet]

The first is a soviet heat shell from ww2 era, the second is a heat-fs from russian mbts.
Look why isn't just adding fins to a ww2 heat shell

[rigid thunder]

well someone missed the meaning again

[analog silo]

Modern HEAT makes you sound 5% less of a stuffy nerd than HEAT-FS. It is a crucial difference.

[rigid thunder]

why not just call it new HEAT

[past fractal]

They’re tactical names

[drifting grove]

APFSDS when?

[analog silo]

Why not just say it couldn’t take the heat

Nobody in this game uses the actual names or designations of their shells, why start now?

[plucky summit]

Really? AP, APCR, HESH, HEAT, and HE are incorrect?
Meh, I don't care, I know how they work in the game so I'm fine

[rigid thunder]

nobody calls the APCR on the Chieftain/T95 APFSDS

[wise moth]

^

[plucky summit]

Haha funny shell velocity

Too bad, it's been raced out

[rigid thunder]

powercreeping shell velocity now, smh my head wg

[plucky summit]

I have to find who beat it tho lol

I forgor

[rigid thunder]

50tp prototyp running the gunpowder, gives it 2077 m/s shell velocity
which is like 30 higher

[plucky summit]

Ok that's just cheating :p

AMX CDA 105 almost had it

[drifting grove]

Is that thing even in the game yet?
They announced it ages ago.

[rigid thunder]

1525 ain't gonna beat the OG 1570

[violet timber]

Just put on supercharger, ez

[plucky summit]

It's as easy for the Chieftain too =(

[drifting grove]

If we were being realistic, Chieftain Mk.6 should run only APFSDS and HESH.

[violet timber]

Just make your shell travel at the speed of light lol

[plucky summit]

That just makes them less threatening ._.

[drifting grove]

Crashes into wall
Dies

[violet timber]

Imagine a sudden noise then there’s a hole through your tank.

[plucky summit]

Yeah and nothing blew up, no frags

[violet timber]

Unless it hit ammo, or jimmy

[blissful hamlet]

And the most british tanks in game should have only Sabot shells, except some derp guns and, hmmm, a Sherman V? I don't remember

[plucky summit]

Okay Jimmy shouldn't have been there, he should never have joined this war, all he does is keep eating his stupid chicken sandwiches

We do not speak of him

[violet timber]

I wonder if the HEAT warhead would activate after it goes through the tank? Crowd control?

[plucky summit]

The whole dang thing would shatter in a flash

[violet timber]

And suddenly, Jimmy was gone

[plucky summit]

He went to get the fried chicken sandwich

OMG I found it

Nightmare has better shell velocity

[violet timber]

Wait what?

[plucky summit]

Okay I thought that joke was obvious =(

[rigid thunder]

If only the valentine AT still had the derp gun

[violet timber]

I was so confused for a second. I was just like “Doesn’t Nightmare take ages to put a shell in?”

[plucky summit]

T82 got 305

[analog silo]

If you hit a tank with a light speed shell it would likely create a nuclear explosion. No explosive charge needed.

[rigid thunder]

oh wow I completely forgot the T82 existed

[plucky summit]

Imagine waiting three seconds and your shell hasn't even reached the other side of the map yet xD

[drifting grove]

Yup.
That and HESH.

[plucky summit]

Warduck with 50m/s shell velocity xD

[copper swan]

APFSDS if full penetration against armour

small little dart with lethal effects
slices

[plucky summit]

Sorry but that plate isn't angled past 70 degrees <3

[kindred wren]

No. Most British tanks run APCR, Discarding Sabots are a late-/ postwar thing

[copper swan]

I know, that plate is 60 degrees

[plucky summit]

Ok I go

[radiant matrix]

is type 62 good?

[violet timber]

Best tier 7 light

[radiant matrix]

i think so
but how to use it well?
sometime got rekt with that tank

[copper swan]

gib tips

[rigid thunder]

is it specific to just the type 62 or light tanks in general tho

[radiant matrix]

how about the equipment?

[rigid thunder]

too lazy to type the names so I'm just gonna send a screen of mine

[rigid thunder]

it's up to personal preference, mainly with the rammer/CS or GLD/supercharger

[radiant matrix]

many thanks dude

[copper swan]

type 62 should run calibrated imo, and vertical stabiliser plus enhanced gun laying drive since most often is shooting on the move

Type 62 heat shell makes the tiger 2 looks like paper tiger

[wise moth]

Nah, you need the DPM to be competitive at tier 7, and 250 HEAT is more than enough

[copper swan]

shoot run cover
when I play type 62

[thorny smelt]

Is the Jageroo line worth the grind or I should go somewhere else?

[silent light]

Wow, Why am i pro at slow tank ? I even killed T26E4 without pre ammo. I just shot on its turret where wasn't protected much and 4 times in a row.

[jolly cargo]

T-54 which guns best??

Obj line gun or t-62A gun?

[silent light]

T64A

[jolly cargo]

Okay sweet thanks

[thorny smelt]

Is the Jageroo line worth the grind or I should go somewhere else?

[silent light]

Want armoured tds ? Go Jangeroo. Want high camo go grille 15

[rigid thunder]

gld is pretty useless if most of your shots are fired on the move, I prefer supercharger just to make shots at range a little easier

[high anvil]

Jageroo line is amazing. Literally every vehicle from tier 4 is great (go jagdpanther2 over the Ferdinand), like the worst is probably the Jageroo itself

Very easy grind

[charred vigil]

APFSDS should be able to penetrate 70 degrees too but seriously anymore like to 80 degrees it would shatter

[plucky summit]

Issue is that such angled plates would tend to redirect the force of the shell than to absorb it

[solid gate]

Me who went Ferdinand from Tiger P 👀

[lyric oriole]

I did the same exact thing

[charred vigil]

which is why they shatter at around 70-80 degrees but I still reckon they would make it through a 70 degree angled plate. But 80+ is definitely a shatter/ricochet angle.
Actually alot of factors but 80+ is generally really hard to penetrate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQCTTSWdrBI

[blissful hamlet]

I said only sabots, bcz they have no explosive charge, typical of British shells, and the APCR has almost the same effect

[blissful hamlet]

Trailing telescopic and jackered are the best of these 4

[winged adder]

technically if you check the shell information it is APFSDS they just call it APCR in game

[charred vigil]

No its APDS

[winged adder]

oh my bad

[violet timber]

A lot of the shells are generalized tbh

[winged adder]

aye nice pfp 😉

[hard cedar]

Reign

[violet timber]

Reign beat NA clan deal with it

[winged adder]

frfr they got NA cup for sure

[hard cedar]

I'm no longer supporting reign

[charred vigil]

Of the British tanks I own
Fv4005: APDS Mk.2
Vickers Light: APDS L-28
Fv4202: APDS L-28
Chieftain Mk.6: APDS L-15 A4
and APDS L-15 A4 DU
Fv215b: APDS L1

What I learned is perhaps Chieftain MK6 premium rounds are Depleted Uranium APDS rounds

[winged adder]

quick question regarding this, what were we discussing? i didnt read far enough. are we talking about the historical accuracy of the tank shell names?

[charred vigil]

Idk I think some guy wanted accurate rounds for tanks like sabout rounds for british or something like APFSDS on chieftain

[violet timber]

The only depleted uranium round the Chief mk6 fired was an APFSDS round

[blissful hamlet]

XM551 or M551, what u prefer?

[charred vigil]

Well then We need DU APFSDS on chieftain right now! wargaming correct this mistake

[winged adder]

i wonder since they added the chieftan mk6 theyll add like an M1 abrams, like the first generation ones from the late 70s

or they add some of the testbeds like the GM abrams or Chrysler one

[blissful hamlet]

Also, there are APFSDS projectiles with plastic core

[charred vigil]

Chieftain tank is maybe a decade older than XM testbeds I think that'll never be a possibility

[winged adder]

awww thats unfortunate

[plucky summit]

I'm unfortunate.

[winged adder]

maybe the M1 abrams then considering it was in service around the time the chieftan mk6 was

[charred vigil]

Especially im thinking a T-64 MBT would be overpowered and that tank came in around Chieftain maybe younger

[violet timber]

There isn’t enough difference for them to really be considered different tank tbh

[winged adder]

unlikely probably wishful thinking but it would be nice

[violet timber]

Oh, you’re back.

[charred vigil]

It would be nice but ridiculously broken which doesn't sound so nice

[plucky summit]

Yeah I had to go to math class

[winged adder]

maybe a tier 11? that would be more interesting than other tier 10s imo

[violet timber]

Nah, let’s not do the console “Modern armor” thing

[charred vigil]

Yeah they should do what World of warships is doing "Superships" --> "Super tanks" tier

[winged adder]

thats what i was thinking

[plucky summit]

I instantly wanted to never play Console again once they pulled out their modern armor

[charred vigil]

I think its funny that they wont call it tier 11 but a special tier

[winged adder]

i wouldnt really have a problem with it i dont see what the problem is. What did you not like about it?

[charred vigil]

Is it that bad

Like just a tier above tier 10 which is similar in playstyle but involves different tanks, it doesn't sounds too bad but in practice it might suck I guess

[plucky summit]

You don't understand the pain?

Seeing a Maus covered in yellow highlighting?

[winged adder]

i feel it makes the game more accurate than random experimental tanks like the YOH being added into the game, its cool dont get me wrong but id rather play actual modern tanks instead

[plucky summit]

I'm talking about Console's armor coloring when you look at its concept

[charred vigil]

What if it were completely seperate from tier X or a progression that doesn't instantly kill maus I can see why Maus a tank from 1944-5 would struggle against tanks in 1960s+

[valid gale]

Have you not seen warthunder

[winged adder]

yea like the "modern" tanks can only get matched with modern tanks there is no -1 matchmaking

[plucky summit]

As far as I've seen, they are separate

But it's just too much, feels like a DLC

[charred vigil]

Warthunder is pretty wack

[winged adder]

whats wrong with more content tho? it opens the door for so much cool stuff in blitz so it doesnt just get smashed by tank company when that gets launched

[plucky summit]

Because it's not Blitz ._.

[violet timber]

You all want modern tanks? Congratulations, the Leopard 1 exists!

[winged adder]

i want more modern tanks

[violet timber]

T-62A exists!

[winged adder]

we have leopard 1, M60, chieftan MK6, T62A etc but they COULD add MORE.

[violet timber]

STB-1 exists!

[charred vigil]

Obj 140 > T-62a

[plucky summit]

I can't even pull up the armor profile other than just highlighting

[winged adder]

whats wrong with more lol??? i dont understand why the community is so against it

[violet timber]

It’s just a fact that the 62A is better

[charred vigil]

I don't mind not having modern tanks, but I would rather have Realistic camos First

[winged adder]

its more cool tanks, in a game about tanks? i see no loses for anyone

[violet timber]

Because then you have to add modern rounds, and modern armor, and everything would be as fast as a light, n it would just be boring

[plucky summit]

Who said the community was so against it?

You think I'm the community? You put me up to that importance? 🥺

[charred vigil]

Why do you both have that reign weeb avatar lol I just noticed

[violet timber]

Because Reign is the best NA clan

[winged adder]

i mean look at the balancing and consumables right now, reactive armor, super speed boost. were already basically there

[charred vigil]

I was getting confused who I was replying to because the profiles were so similar

[winged adder]

agreed and REIGN waifu duh

[violet timber]

We don’t have ERA, or composite armor, or any modern penetrators

[charred vigil]

Theres a era consumable, and Tungsten shells

[violet timber]

It’s not really lol, it’s just “take less damage”, not “let me get rid of this entire HEAT shell real quick”

[charred vigil]

Tungsten shells make no sense, Tungsten shells should Increase penetration not Increase damage

[winged adder]

yea but the concepts are in the game regardless

[violet timber]

But it’s not though

[plucky summit]

I'm not talking about the possibility of the modern concepts to come into Blitz

I just mean the modern concepts themselves, I can't let tier X lose their top dog roles

[valid gale]

Era doesn’t defeat heat and tungsten shells literally don’t behave like that and the icon is an APCR shell…

[charred vigil]

But no just imagine a tier with tanks similar to tier 10 but just with better stats you know like every other tier progression

[winged adder]

exactly

[plucky summit]

That still rips the top dog role from tier 10 ._.

[charred vigil]

Its so easy to reach tier 10 nowadays It barely feels like the top

[plucky summit]

I base it on performance, not the grind

[winged adder]

so whats the point of top dog in a game where you have tier progressions??? either way your playing +1 -1 matchmaking where someone is top dog always

[charred vigil]

"back in my day, it took so long to grind to tier 10. But now new players can just whoosh all the way up easily"

[plucky summit]

Okay you don't get my point

[winged adder]

no please explain

[charred vigil]

wdym performance

[violet timber]

Tier ten is tier ten, it’s the big one, the one every single player hopes to reach one day to have the best tanks in the game. Adding another tier just takes away the awe that tier 10 tanks have

[charred vigil]

and it adds new awe to the new top tier though

[plucky summit]

I want the tanks of tier 10 to be the top tanks of the game, the tanks you grind for

@charred vigil compare a Pz. II to a Maus, which one performs better? The Maus.

[valid gale]

Ittl just continue to raise it until either wg will fail to meet the hype or collapse on theirselves with failing to balance it it happened every time with a mode like that

[charred vigil]

ok then I have a new solution, add a special gamemode where you can play tanks for a limited time

[winged adder]

well obviously but thats straight up just a bad comparison

something that would make more sense would be like "what performs better leopard 1 or leopard PTA" both are basically the same tank with a few different numbers but thats just how moving up in tiers works

[plucky summit]

I'm not saying Blitz should just collect dust with their tier 10s, I'm justifying my feelings

[valid gale]

Console modern tanks is just more health and speed still vanilla gameplay wot pc is pretty much it’s own dumpster fire blitz has the most stable tier 10 of the three

[plucky summit]

I think a big issue is the massive amounts of tier 7s and 8s they're creating

When you have so many tanks, many of them will bland out, and WG may just rebalance and make it a DPM fest like low-tier Console/PC

[valid gale]

And either way that still won’t solve the player skill issue that will only make the theoretical 11 only more bogged down if it attracts the best and the worst simultaneously

[winged adder]

regarding this, considering how WG already has experience implementing modern tanks they can only make the experiance better with blitz why not give it a shot?

[charred vigil]

A special gamemode would be superior to a whole new tier

[winged adder]

wouldnt that apply to current tier 10 also though?

[plucky summit]

I don't want tanks to lose their own valor

Take the IS-3, many tanks like it have sprouted up, and now IS-3 just seems like a price of war, a general fighting heavy tank. It can't easily or effectively play its advantage as much anymore

[winged adder]

but thats just power creep and balancing and can theoretically happen to any tank in the game

[valid gale]

Because they aren’t the ones you talk about are late Cold War to post collapse technology the stb and leopard era are peak of the war and Dont have access to digital range finding modern stabilization or newer ammo the kpz also an example of this as it had access to darts but the armor was outdated and inferior along with its cannon

[charred vigil]

Bruh I've always wanted IS-3 Buff but noo "It's good enough" it's just that no one wants to play it like Bruh

[winged adder]

i think theyre actually nerfing its dispersion next update 💀 💀 💀

[plucky summit]

I think the accuracy buff will reinstate some power to it, since that's one of the Russian's main weaknesses

[charred vigil]

I also Enjoyed Cent 1 But now theres these other superior medium tanks and I can't even enjoy the is-3 and cent 1 and other tanks etc etc anymore due to powercreep

[plucky summit]

They're just doing a straight forward aiming time buff
3.26s -> 2.97

[winged adder]

Ah

[valid gale]

Armored warfare is literally what they talked about and I used to talk to the guys that helped the original dev team research the stats and documents to come up with the balance and in the end the tier 10 light PLO-1 literally has an auto bounce upper plate to 152mm darts even when your on an up hill

[plucky summit]

T-22 expresses the same problem, it's an abusive use of mechanics

[charred vigil]

the cent 5/1 is a blatantly superior cent 1 like seriously Why would they do that. They keep adding tanks to tiers that are just obviously more superior than the tanks that play at that tier its really annoying that they keep squeezing in these new and more superior tanks

[winged adder]

Thats true and i see what your saying, im just saying that the idea sounds fun considering some of the modern tanks we have in the game already

[valid gale]

Because their good at making you fall for it they blatantly make better tanks than tech trees for a reason

[charred vigil]

Pike nose is3 buff pls seriously the pen powercreep is insane

[winged adder]

Its for money grab ofc WG being WG

[charred vigil]

Thats why I would prefer more tiers, So wargaming doesn't keep adding blatantly superior tanks in tiers they don't belong

[plucky summit]

I think the pen is just fine

WG needs to make less copy-paste tier 6s

[winged adder]

They only just admitted in the youtuber summit a few months ago smasher and annhi are op and they need to tone them down

[charred vigil]

the is3 pen is good im saying that before the is3 armor used to bee good because average pen around the tier was 175mm ish but now the is3 front is basically useless because average pen is maybe around 200mm in tier 8

[solid gate]

I agree. The is3 front sucks rn

[plucky summit]

Oh, so powercreep by pen instead of pen powercreep

[charred vigil]

yeah thats what I meant

I also understand that is-3 turret is best in tier but that doesn't mean much because other tanks have weaker turrets that are just strong enough to do the same hulldown work but have superior all round armor which is more useful.
Is-3 gun ik is good for tier 8 russian style heavy and decent mobility.

[winged adder]

Maybe it’ll get better when it eventually gets PBR, kinda like what happened with IS7 frontal armor

[charred vigil]

Whats the point of is3 turret with 250-700mm in spots when against tanks of its tier a turret with 250-400mm of armor will do the exact same job at bouncing hull down

also is3 47mm roof gets overmatched by 150mm guns im pretty sure

I will patiently pray for Is-3's valiant return like the is-7

[violet timber]

IS-7 is now just a tank to bully other tanks with

[lucid kelp]

After next update the things could be different. The gun on the Centurion 1 as well as the Caernarvon will receive an alpha buff from 190 to 225. They will receive a great increase in Dpm, so maybe they will represent an alternative to premium counterparts

[violet timber]

The problem is that the Pershing exists and is getting a massive dpm buff, meaning that if you want dpm play the persh, if you want more armor play the 5/1

[ancient iron]

tryna get my x5x2 in my Ferdi.... anyone got any tips to win in it despite being with a bunch of clownshoes for teams? 😛

[thorny smelt]

I said this again and again but Ho-Ri line is now done because I find it weirdly comfortable for my play style. I unlocked both the Ferdinand (via Tiger P) and JPanther II (via JPanther) months ago. Ferdinand may be slow but JPanther II's hull is butter AF. I might restore the Ferdinand and see if there is any change since it has similar mobility to Jagdtiger 8,8 cm. As for Sturer Emil, 12,8 cm gun is still locked so I might grind some more if I'm going for the Grille line.

@high anvil JPanther II is not the tank for me TBH.

[ancient iron]

kinda thinking of just giving up on the Jageroo.... the Ferdi is beyond bad... and I've yet to see anyone do well in a JPanther II so I would assume by that it's even worse...

[thorny smelt]

Even the YOLOwagon and the Object 268. Also the AMX AC 46. Tier 7 is quite weird except for JPanther II and Chi-to SPG. At least for me. I haven't touched the US line since I gave up playing the Wolverine.

For UK, I stopped at AT2 and Challenger for various reasons.