vehicles-discussion

[slender cliff]

Oh yeah cool!

@kindred wren yeah I’ve just checked out the sides and they are quite thin

[royal charm]

Dont have any of those

[boreal spruce]

well... for the 50TP Prototype
hulldown,
shot trade.
can go with the meds.
don't facehug,
wiggle the turret when reloading
always keep your turret pointed towards the enemy (even when wiggling)
stay with the team.
don't brawl (large alpha = DPM bad)
from your stats you posted i think you have the hang of it anyway! 💯
and thank WG for giving you a free tank!!! 🥳

[royal charm]

Thx I actually didnt know some of that

[sullen abyss]

Your specific advice is good for others. Wish more ppl took the time to give the specifics rather than claiming it’s a “skill issue” like morons.

[hard cedar]

sKiLl iSsUe

[plucky summit]

It is a skill issue, it's only dumb that we don't further elaborate on what the problem is or any possible solutions

It's mainly a joke anyways

[boreal spruce]

thanks, im just an average player F2P. and have played on PC, i run my wot PC clan the same way. (giving advice) instead of just saying skill issue 👋

[hard cedar]

why does everyone act like being f2p has any correlation to skill

[violet timber]

I dunno

[kindred wren]

They don‘t act like it correlates to skill, they act like it correlates to lack of resources or lack of commitment

After all, if he thought it would describe his skill level he surely wouldn‘t have felt the need to call himself „average“

[hard cedar]

thank you lux 🙏

[kindred wren]

Always there for you 😉

[boreal spruce]

💯 couldn't have explained it better!

[hard cedar]

obviously not, lux is superior to everyone in the server including me

[violet timber]

Lux has ascended

[slender cliff]

Yes. I think he meant “average” as in any other f2p player. I don’t think he meant anything about skill

[neat nimbus]

Men some are lucky

Likely I wont get it

[boreal spruce]

im in a 14 man clan...... i wont get it..... 👋

[neat nimbus]

Only four ingots

[boreal spruce]

i got 6! only 994 to go!

[hard cedar]

you can spam toons and get it

[neat nimbus]

Yeah but no one is active enough and like I said before I don't have internet on my house

[solar sorrel]

Sadly, I didn't get the mastery badge, what else should I do to get it for my E-100?

[hard cedar]

dont be expecting a mastery with only 1.25k base xp in a tier 10 you need 1.45-1.5k at least

[boreal spruce]

you need about 7k+ before you get a mastery. 💯

[solar sorrel]

Well, extra effort then

[keen coral]

yo plz give me some kv 2 he tips

plz

[boreal spruce]

run Calibrated Shells. (for the 152mm)
go with the team.
angle ( the hull does work at bouncing)
sidescrape
shoot HE at the turret roofs or under the Hulls if you cant pen.
Pray to Stalin Before each shot 🤣
always fully aim.
only snapshot if you are far fro mthe enemy.
if in doubt of Penetrating, use HE
Good luck!

[slender cliff]

let Stalin guide your shells

[toxic fulcrum]

New Tier X Collector TD, Foch B, 4 shot 120mm autoloader with 2 sec intraclip and 26-30 second reload speed.

[solid gate]

Tier X Heavy/Turreted TD.
155mm with 2 shot autoloader (Foch 155's style), turreted, but squishy armor and slightly worse mobility with bad turret rotation.
https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/US/155mm-gun-tank-t58

[quaint gust]

I bought the pz. B2 and i like it. I don’t care if it’s a waste of money it’s a good balanced tank

[violet timber]

It’s not a waste of money and it’s not balanced, it’s op.

[quaint gust]

It’s op??

[violet timber]

Very much so

[quaint gust]

It feels like a Matilda just better mobility

[violet timber]

It’s got a little less armor, a comparable gun, and slightly more mobility. What really tops it off is the preferential mm that means it’s always top tier and will never see tier 5

[quaint gust]

Ooh so it’s op for that reason.
does the Churchill 3 have preferential mm in this one??
@violet timber

[onyx sluice]

No.

[violet timber]

Only the Pz. B2 and Valentine II have preferential mm

[solid gate]

Im so happy emil 1951 gets the new graphics

[solid gate]

I'm happy T57 does, and that it will become smaller.

[lavish zealot]

What's better the KV-2 or the KV-1S?

[violet timber]

KV-1S

[lavish zealot]

Why?

[violet timber]

Better armor, leads to the better tank

[lavish zealot]

ok, thanks

[solid gate]

uhh guys whats is the most friendly line for nubs?

[copper swan]

IS 7 Duh

[solid gate]

like im really nub like a bot so is7 line ??

[manic carbon]

The usual lines I’d recommend for a newer player would be;

T110E5
IS-7
Object 268
E-100

[violet timber]

IS-7 supremacy.

[solid gate]

e100?? i play worse on e100 and they said its not noob tank because its hard okay use

[violet timber]

E100 is great for learning angles

[manic carbon]

The E-100 itself requires some knowledge of angling, but I am thinking of the entire line here

[solid gate]

hmm..stil hard to use i have one i sell it because my team said it after i play horribly bad ..

[violet timber]

If I listened to every single person who said I played bad when I was new, I wouldn’t be playing the game anymore lmao

[solid gate]

t110e5 in the other hand same as the e100 i play horrible so i see it.. too. i dunno how they bounce on that tank i saw my enemies bounce but i cannot maybe im just braindead??

[manic carbon]

T110E5 line pushes you into a hulldown style of play. Go hulldown and utilise the gun depression wherever you can.
E5 has a nice turret but the hull won’t usually hold up as well

[thorny smelt]

This tank is easy to ammo rack and burn its engine

[violet timber]

E5 has a weak ammo rack but it’s engine isn’t that bad. Soviet heavies are the worst when it comes to fires

[solid gate]

well tanks for the advice good thing i sell it, i sell hori and stb1 too because i play horribly and i just sell it soo i go is 7?? i never tried the obj 268 tho

[manic carbon]

STB-1 and Ho-Ri are great tanks. I think with how you are saying you are horrible in all these tanks, you are struggling a bit

[violet timber]

268 doesn’t get any meaningful armor till the tier 10

[solid gate]

i do those things but im still play so horrible i always get ammo rack or play so bad. 😰

[solid gate]

naah im like straight dumbshit at playing them i know they're best but i think its not for me.. im not skilled enough to play them..i guess

so far i unlocked IS7 and i still not researching the obj 268

[manic carbon]

If you need some help with learning or some advice, I’m happy to help. Such as providing replays of your games, so I can see how you play, give you advice etc.

Personally, I’d also advise you check out HisRoyalFatness. I think he is quite helpful in teaching players how to play specific tanks and lines

[solid gate]

oh i watch royal but i think he's too complex and some of his strategies are you must be aggro if i do that i get destroyed first

is IS7? i never see the obj 268

[violet timber]

Most of the time getting destroyed comes down to positioning

[dull plover]

How many AP, APCR, and HE Shells load onto the Hellcat? because i just bought it

[manic carbon]

Blitz is quite fast paced so you constantly have to keep track of changing scenarios, being aware of not just your own positioning but everyone elses

[manic carbon]

Go to the ammo section of the tank, it’ll tell you how many shells the tank can carry

[solid gate]

haha i think im just an idiot at positioning

so i guess ill choose IS7??

[violet timber]

Go for it, it’s pretty easy to use

[dull plover]

Hmm okay, thanks man.

[hard cedar]

At this point you can drive out sideways in an is7 and take no damage

[violet timber]

T-22 vibes

[solid gate]

okay thanks for the advice 😓

[copper swan]

any others?

[honest geode]

I have had IS7 before buff and till now its was and still is a great tank. you have to just understand the tank. Just don't go angled to enemy. Face the enemy straight and you are hard to pen.

[hot fulcrum]

VK 30.01 D or VK 28.01?

[violet timber]

28

[hot fulcrum]

Why do you think 28.01 is good?

[violet timber]

It has speed, absolutely troll armor, and a pretty good gun to boot

[hot fulcrum]

Hmmm

[honest geode]

I have e100, IS 7 and isu 152 (where i will stop) any idea guys On next tech tree? I don't think i will go for lights tho. As i have understood the game now any nation is ok

[torpid cypress]

can WG buff VK72's DPM and aiming time ?

[real plover]

Last night I played a game in the Grille (just got it, used gold to get crew to 100% and got it completely decked out) and my third match I saw Fatness on my team in a platoon with someone

[solid gate]

taking tank instead of geometry class lol

[deft moon]

Any tips for getting my wr up?

Use meta tank or have some other tips?

(TD,HT)

[violet timber]

Using meta tanks can help, but positioning and increasing your accuracy are surprisingly effective

[manic carbon]

Self improvement. Review your games, see if there were any mistakes (such as positioning, or strategy decisions) you made that caused you to die too quickly, weren’t able to support teammates etc.
You can also turn to various guides there are in the community. Whether through the forums or through youtubers who post helpful, educational content.

[plucky summit]

Or listen to my biased guides on how to play certain tanks 😳

[kindred wren]

Sorry to stop you there but we were talking about how to improve 😉

[plucky summit]

😭

[kindred wren]

I mean, we can‘t have people turn superunicum in ten minutes, can we?

[grand linden]

wg: just throw them into bot mm

[hard cedar]

reroll op

[violet timber]

You don't. You really, really don't.

[plucky summit]

I don't actually have videos or text walls to send, I kind of just tell you as you provide a tank you need help with

[hard cedar]

incorrect you always have that one screenshot of the lowe sidescraping

[plucky summit]

Which is neither a video nor a text wall <3

But yes, I do have it =)

[hard cedar]

you always send it with a text wall

[plucky summit]

Here's a defensive sidescrape too

So, what tank?

Ah yes, a certainly unfavorable purchase since SU-152 exists

But we'll work with that, due to low HP and armor, as well as having no turret to engage close range, you will have to snipe using bushes, and next to hard cover if possible, watching over commonly crossed areas

T71 is a good peek-a-boom tank. If you can, when an enemy fires and has at least a decent 5s+ reload, you can pull out (if they're not supported by allies) and rapidly dump your 480 clip into them, and recede back into cover to reload. Try to hide where teammates can punish the enemy if they try to push you when you reload

Why focus on crying about the weaknesses? It has weaknesses because it has strengths.

[boreal spruce]

😀 never have truer words been said about ALL tanks in Blitz

[hard cedar]

which one

[plucky summit]

Nah.

[boreal spruce]

leo at V or leo 1?

its an odd tank. i didnt do well in it. its good though. i just didnt play it well.... the Leopard is fun to ram with!

[plucky summit]

Leopard has a higher skill ceiling, so it may appear that it has no potential, but what you do have is a super deadly clip potential, so it's also like T71, where it can peek-a-pft-pft-pft-pft-pft-pft-pft

[boreal spruce]

you missed a " pft-pft-pft" there 🤣⬆️

[plucky summit]

Was a bit scared to get the message spam-deleted, it's actually missing half of the pfts, minus one

[boreal spruce]

😂

[quaint gust]

I have a feeling. These weren’t genuine t4 players. They baited my shot and then all rushed me

[plucky summit]

Of course there's seal clubbers right now, the event allows BiA medals to be gained in tier 4 and above

If you have over 5000 battles, this is definitely true

[quaint gust]

I have under 2k

[plucky summit]

Check out the stats of those enemies, see their battle counts, don't post them, just tell me the numbers

[hard cedar]

why were you there anyway your team isn't supporting 🥴

[quaint gust]

It’s t4…. You expect me to use strategies in t4??

[hard cedar]

do you not want to win? if you don't then sure yolo all you want I guess

[drifting grove]

T5 and below is 'every man for himself'. Just do as much as possible to get the most possible rewards and get to higher tiers as soon as possible.

[hard cedar]

he seems to be clubbing in a b2

[drifting grove]

Oh, is that so? Well, I have no respect for sealclubbers. I don't see why you should play Tier V and below unless you're starting a new line, and even there, just for a few k fxp, you can get up to Tier IV.

[hard cedar]

that was a joke, idk what he doing
but he is in fact playing the b2

[quaint gust]

Im not seal clubbing lol. I brought the tank and i just enjoy mindlessly rolling around

[drifting grove]

Waste of money, then.

[quaint gust]

Eh it was only like £3.50

[hard cedar]

you can sell b2 for gold

[quaint gust]

Nah. I don’t sell premium tanks

Unless it’s a Chrysler K… that thing is bad I don’t care what anyone says

[plucky summit]

It’s definitely not bad 😂

[quaint gust]

On console i traded it for the e25. Had to spend 2k gold but still worth

[plucky summit]

Yeah, on console

[real plover]

you dare talk crap about that tank? its borderline op

[quaint gust]

Does blitz even have a Chryslerk?

[plucky summit]

It does

[quaint gust]

Is it awkward to use? And have terrible ammo placement?

[plucky summit]

Nope, sure if you’re unfamiliar with sidescraping, it can be

[quaint gust]

I have no idea how to side scrape… I’ve been playing for like 3 years if that makes it worse??

[plucky summit]

Oof, well no wonder you hate that tank, you’re not using its main advantage 😂

[real plover]

haha HEAT go brr thats why you cant sidescrape unless its a tiger II

[quaint gust]

Ngl I don’t really bother with angling armour and stuff because that takes brain power in a game I just play mindlessly

[plucky summit]

Or any tank that has AP/APCR as prammo ._.

[thorny smelt]

It has like 300+ effective side armor when you sidescrape

[quaint gust]

Unless it’s pc wot then i try to angle everything… but i suck at it

[plucky summit]

Okay well your opinions may often not be respectable then 🤷‍♂️

[quaint gust]

Understandable

I tend to enjoy tanks people don’t like

[plucky summit]

I’m the poster child of “It’S nOt tRASH aND HeRe’S fIvE pARAGrAPHs WHy”

[quaint gust]

Like the fartherland on console. Everyone just sells it but i like it

[quaint gust]

Nah it’s more like
“This tank ain’t that bad lol. I did more damage than you”

[plucky summit]

Here I vouch for T-2020, Lowe, and VK 168.01 P

[quaint gust]

T-2020??

[plucky summit]

Yup, WG made it

[quaint gust]

What is it??

[plucky summit]

Tier 8 Russian Heavy, look it up on blitzhangar.com

[quaint gust]

Ooooh hardcase!!!!!

[plucky summit]

First tank with a reload animation, which is initially why I bought it

[quaint gust]

Or it’s a cruncher

[plucky summit]

It’s not Cruncher lol

[quaint gust]

Hardcase then but at t8

[plucky summit]

T-2020 is only in Blitz.

[quaint gust]

Im just going off what it looks like

[plucky summit]

Mk, try not to compare

[quaint gust]

Tough challenge but I accept

[plucky summit]

Well they’re in different games so it’s hard to assess them in their metas

[quaint gust]

True

I wish wot was uniform across everything tho. I love pc and consoles meta’s and I like the cool tanks blitz has

Like the defenders. My favourite is the t28 defender

[onyx sluice]

You like PC meta? The one filled with gold shells?

[grand linden]

and the whatever the hell that chieftain thing is

[umbral jungle]

E-25 or su 122S?

[grand linden]

e25 anyday

[onyx sluice]

Neither.

[umbral jungle]

Is it because of speed?

[umbral jungle]

I actually prefer the vindicator lol

[kindred thorn]

vindicator is like a terrible tank

[grand linden]

no cause the e25 is literally better at everything except for the 400 alpha

[onyx sluice]

I'm grinding the T30. Maybe I'll like it.

[kindred thorn]

3rd best american heavy

[real plover]

just got an Ace in the TVP VTU

[thorny smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/congrats-the-office-happy-yay-celebration-gif-4115606

[real plover]

lol

[sullen abyss]

I personally think the e25 is just fun af

[surreal blade]

it is too good in burning games .

[viscid bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/gg-gif-20863608

[onyx sluice]

It's a TD though.

[thorny smelt]

I'm loving my VK 45.02 B

[quaint gust]

I feel like my team mates should’ve done more?

[thorny smelt]

I really like my VK 45.02 B. Got so many bounces from E 100s.

[quaint gust]

Back to back games… both losses

[static harness]

Carry harder
(Jk)

[wheat quarry]

NJK, carry the Game Like a pro and have all dmg and all Kills....
Got one bot round , got all dmg and 6 Kills, bc one light, the BC AP run over the cliff

[hollow moth]

I have a little experience with both (already have E25 and have a similar vehicle to 122S), I honestly would choose the German one because E25 teaches the player that raw DPM is worthless without a very good strategy

It'll help a lot to find new sniping areas

[hard cedar]

But sniping is bad 😤

[hollow moth]

Long range support is important tho.

[hard cedar]

Debatable

[hollow moth]

A sniper in a good position can force a team to stand still in it's current position to avoid getting high damage, fear factor is important. Allowing your team to move freely, but making the enemies fight a trench warfare is the key for a great assault.

Also, I wonder if it's possible to make deep operation tactics and and military deception in Blitz

[hard cedar]

Or if you moved up you could help your team push and boom don't need to pin them down if they're dead

[violet timber]

I take my E25 and use it as a close range support. Wait for the enemy to fire then put 2-3 rounds into them before they can do anything

[mighty delta]

yh don't mind me, let me just roll up in my grille and tank for my team with my op armour

[umbral hamlet]

E25 is broken, 122s it's absolutely not

[hard cedar]

moving up =/= frontlining and taking shots for your team

[violet timber]

E25 is not broken, it’s just good tbh

[regal bough]

good for bullying unsuspecting smashers

[mighty delta]

i'd rather have my grille much safer at the back than having the posibility of taking shots

[hard cedar]

I'd rather have a td that can actually be helpful instead of in a position that requires the enemy to be stupid to do anything

[mighty delta]

lmao sniping doesn't need enemies to be stupid, that's called camping, they are different things.

[hard cedar]

Both of them are just chilling in the back

[onyx sluice]

So you're saying waiting in the spawn in my E100 for the enemy to come to me isn't a good tactic?

[hot fulcrum]

Ayo is this tank any good?

Looks like a normal American Medium/Light tank

You know, those 'Stuart' vibes

[chrome ruin]

T0NK

[drifting grove]

Bonk Tonk.

[onyx sluice]

Object 268 v4?

[violet timber]

Nah, the Lee is pretty bad

[chrome ruin]

idk, ye

[hollow moth]

It, in fact, came after Stuart to fill the needing of a more potent gun, a gun that would be able to substitute the Americans 37mm "peashooters" and take down the Panzer 3 and it's variations. Btw, the M4A1 Sherman design was based at some point on this.

In blitz it's just bad, sell it and get 100 gold

[warped topaz]

good in Blitz but an horror in original Wot

[quaint quiver]

Your right

[wicked forge]

How do I play the jpanther

[hollow moth]

You can use it's armor to bully perfectly any medium tank, follow your mediums and act like an assault cannon; take down the armored targets that your meds struggle to pen, but don't remember that you're there for support, advance but with caution because a light can easily circle you

It's a low tier Foch with the single-shot gun

[plucky summit]

The Lee was one of the most OP before the alpha revamps, now it’s good

[plucky summit]

Play it like a TD, because it’s made just like one

[untold spire]

Whats the bizarre stats between T29 and T32? I just leveled T29, now eying the next ones and t32 seems almost worse than t29? Most stats about the same, especially gun, and then some even lower? Am i missing something here?

[hollow notch]

T32 has an insane amount of armor, the highest hp pool of the tier, and reactive armor.

It's a tank that just refuses to die.

Anything it lacks in firepower is made up for in durability, and its mobility isn't that bad either

[lyric copper]

T29 got über buffed

T32 didn’t receive this treatment
iirc it got a small buff, but not something that would make it like the Tiger 2

but hey, amazing turret profile, sandbags, reactive armour, speed boost etc etc

[hollow moth]

T29 rules Tier 7, but it trully can't compete in tier 8 as like T32 does. T29 is over powered, but T32 is just that very good tank that some people struggle to play

[hollow notch]

If you are going to have a weak area, that's the best place to put it

Also, the upper plate is perfectly fine when using gun depression on the t32

[hollow moth]

T29 upper plate is actually pretty good as it got unnecessarily buffed once, and T32 can get a real hardy hull as you inclinate it in a ridge

[manic carbon]

T110E5 line is all about utilising the gun depression and sitting on ridges.
T32 becomes a very hard target when it does exactly that. Great turret, hull can hold up well too unlike something like the T34.
Admittedly, the gun isn’t amazing - but it’s workable. Can’t have everything going for it

[valid gale]

It’s essentially a bunker you can’t hurt but there’s a 65% chance ittl hurt you back

[solid gate]

So I was rotating IS-7 around in armor inspector and got this

[plucky summit]

The spaced armor is 30mm, the really angled armor behind it is what makes it so effective

[solid gate]

I know, but still, 1152mm effective thickness

w h e e z e

[plucky summit]

Oops

[hollow moth]

I wonder if Dora is capable of penetrating this armor

Btw, this is Dora, say hello to her.

[plucky summit]

Do so remind me of her gun's caliber and penetration statistics? 😊

[solid gate]

800mm gun, imagine that.

[hollow moth]

Well, it's the Schwerer Gustav's nickname, 800mm and probably a few thousands of pen

[plucky summit]

Well I'm sure the Maus is helplessly green to her sights

Or if the shell hits the Maus like in the screenshot, it'll warp the sides and the shell will go to hit a building and vaporize it or sumn

Y'know, if the shell hit the side and tried to penetrate the Maus through the side, from the front, that's nearly 900000mm 😳

[fallen cape]

dora has 7m or 700mm of penetration against concrete meaning that at that little angle dora cannot pen the maus but besides that maus is hopeless. dora cannon also carries high explosive so imagine the he splash on a 800mm cannon

[plucky summit]

Wait since Dora overmatches the side, it's possible to calculate the possibility of penetration

And the two caliber rule leaves Maus hopeless at about 370mm effective

Unless the 2CR ADDS to your normalization, then sheesh

[unreal lotus]

gib me

[hollow moth]

I suppose that actually the two calliber rule would make the Maus green regardless of where it hits, even ricochete angles would be negated by three callibers rule.

In fact, if you don't count how any Dora's ammo can overwhelm Germany's economy, she is literally the best artillery piece that ever existed

[solid gate]

Welp

[slender cliff]

99% chance of hitting there since wg rng

[violet timber]

You didn't know anni's armor was buffed to 15,000mm all around?

[plucky summit]

So... 15m?

[violet timber]

Yes.

[hollow moth]

Yep, sadly even Dora will struggle with this

[hard cedar]

is7 simping time

[hollow notch]

Crew can't die if the tank is 100% metal

[violet timber]

Been more like T-62A platoon losing time tonight

[hard cedar]

if you platooned with me you wouldn't have that problem 😎 😎

[hollow moth]

And that's how Lycan was made

[plucky summit]

Me use Lowe, me not care about tier 10 meta when play

[hard cedar]

You aren't in XWING though, aces don't count for event :(

[hollow notch]

I'll failtoon with you to solve that problem

[plucky summit]

I jumped from XWING to BWING so I could 50TP

But then again.... I'm kinda slackin ngl

[hard cedar]

sta sent that in the wrong chat so I just sent it here lol (directed to me)

[hollow notch]

Ho many ingots u at?

[violet timber]

I'm stupid sometimes XD

[plucky summit]

I think 43, I got lazy and just said "welp I got my clan week done anyways"

[hollow moth]

Brazil14n don't think SU-100Y is bad, Brazil14n likes SU-100Y. Brazil14n likes tier 6. Brazil14n hardly gets stressed in tier 10.

[hard cedar]

no sta is extremely intelligent 😎

[violet timber]

Thunder and I have been having problems making the double T-62A work tonight, but we keep trying. It may be the definition of insanity lol

[hollow moth]

STA isn't a smart tank

[plucky summit]

Lowe is IQ tank :3

[hard cedar]

I am going to pretend I know who thunder is

[hollow notch]

Ew mediums

[hard cedar]

that's the first time I've heard that

[violet timber]

We can usually do pretty good in them, it's just been a struggle tonight

[hard cedar]

I dislike 62a, I can't play a tank that's supposed to hulldown with only 7 gd no matter how good the other stats are for some reason
I'd rather take a 30b or stb

[hollow moth]

@violet timber-kun, can I become the president of the Medium Tank's Democratic workers Party?

[hollow notch]

I hate it purely because it shoots peas

[hard cedar]

I'm fine with the peashooter alpha, 350 alpha isnt that great either tbh

[hollow notch]

T95e6 best med

[hard cedar]

chieftain mk 6 best med 💪

[hollow notch]

Nah, too slow

[hard cedar]

I thought the mobility was around the same

[hollow notch]

E6 has a clear mobility advantage

[plucky summit]

AH yes, while Chief surpasses E6 every other way

[hard cedar]

oh huh you're right
I've never played e6 but judging from stats id still prefer mk6

[hollow notch]

Eat my heat

[hollow moth]

I vote for Chief taking the control over any other medium tank, even E6

[violet timber]

Love the fact that IS-7 is not just a heavy version of the T-22

[plucky summit]

Why need 340 HEAT when APCR do job? 😳

[hollow moth]

Lmao, 340 HEAT is for heavies, the little Chief is a medium

[hollow notch]

Let's be honest here
The mk6 prammo is a bit lacking in pen (it gets high alpha though)

[hard cedar]

it is lacking in pen, but I find the pen to be enough in most situations

[plucky summit]

I think Chieftain Mk. 6 is just better for hunting mediums, while not having the same p/w as E6, it at least has enough DPM to even attempt to compete with the mediums

[hollow notch]

The e6 is nice because it has the pen to just tear apart heavies, while remaining highly mobile

[hard cedar]

while sacrificing gun handling shell velo and hesh

[hollow notch]

Not having overmatch sides is a big plus though

[hard cedar]

I mean neither tank can sidescrape anyway

[plucky summit]

Mediums can't overmatch sides? 😳
Except ofc the big gunned meds

[hollow notch]

You can zigzag and get autobounces
Compared to autopens

[plucky summit]

Let us differentiate a bounce and ricochet 😳

[hard cedar]

it's not super reliable though when you could hulldown

[hollow notch]

I just love my 95e6

it also cost me 12500 gold

[plucky summit]

Took me $190 in gold to get Chieftain Mk 6 (not alone ofc)

[hollow notch]

Ricochet= autobounce =/= non pentetration

[hard cedar]

took me a long time of saving to get mk6

[plucky summit]

I think a bounce should simply be when a shell lacks the penetration, and crumples while bouncing back from the plate

[hollow notch]

Chistmas auction+ low demand tank= comically low prices

[hollow notch]

I would personally call that absorbing the shell
As in the shell is dead after impact

Compared to a ricochet, bounce where the shell bounces and continues in a different direction and can still hit something

[hard cedar]

what a shame I don't think any of the tanks I want are low demand

[hollow notch]

I didn't want the pilot, but hell 2500ish gold, why not

[plucky summit]

Okay, so we have shell absorption, and a bounce is a ricochet?

[hollow notch]

That's what I would classify it

technically
A ricochet is the same thing as a bounce

[plucky summit]

Yeah but a ricochet implies a glanced form of it

[hollow notch]

But as far as blitz is concerned, when does a shell bounce without glancing?

(It doesn't, it gets eaten by the armor)

[plucky summit]

When it's "absorbed"

[hollow notch]

So the shell does not continue anywhere, making it not bounce

[plucky summit]

I mean, in the game, yeah it ceases to exist

[hollow notch]

Ya

Realistically it's just gonna shatter or lose all velocity and penetration power

[plucky summit]

Loses all velocity but N's 3L says "right back at ya buckaroo"

[hollow notch]

Nah, most of the energy went into deforming it

As far as blitz is concerned
Penetration
Non penetration (eaten)
Ricochet (autobounce)
Splash

[plucky summit]

You know what makes me mad?
People who fire too low on the tracks or on un-protective spaced armor and they call it a 'bounce'

[hollow notch]

I like to avoid "bounce" when it can devolve into this kind of discussion

[plucky summit]

I'm just gonna call absorption 'bounce' and a ricochet a ricochet

[hollow notch]

And then noobs start aggressively defending their side without realizing they are arguing the same thing

[plucky summit]

:p

When argue in balance discussion but I switch sides to cause unnecessary confusion and anger 😎

[hollow notch]

This is the way

[slender cliff]

Change my mind 🅱️esh is the best shell in the game

[drifting grove]

I agree.

[hushed shadow]

What does the top speed stat indicate? Max speed the tank reaches when on flat ground? Tanks seem to be able to go above the indicated top speed on flat ground

[onyx sluice]

Top speed is the upper limit of how fast a tank can go. You can improve it via provisions and equipment on some of the tanks.

Tanks can only surpass their top speed when going down a slope.

[hushed shadow]

Running improved fuel increases the top speed for me, though it’s only the p/w that it should improve

[onyx sluice]

It's a game mechanic man, Blitz isn't all too realistic.

[hushed shadow]

Just trying to figure out what top speed means if the tanks go above it

[hot fulcrum]

T-34 or KV-1?

[hushed shadow]

KV1 for me. Leads to the Is7 and Is4

[hot fulcrum]

in WOT I think you could damage the engine if gone too far above the limit

[hushed shadow]

I see. I just thought top speeds won’t be affected by provisions that don’t say they increase top speed

[crude horizon]

MT first if u are a new player

KV has bad gun and long reload but T-34 has very good mobility

[hot fulcrum]

I sold all of my lower tier tanks

[hushed shadow]

Is7 line is better for newer players

[hot fulcrum]

Alright, I'm pretty new to this game

[crude horizon]

If i am you
I Will grind the LTTB first at the start
It is a very good tank for new player

[mellow wasp]

LOVE THE T62A line

[hushed shadow]

Has some armor, little speed, nice guns.

Lttb relies on the speed a lot. A newer player can’t use it well

[mellow wasp]

perfect for newer players

[crude horizon]

Ammo rack bro

[hot fulcrum]

KV-1 has approx. the same reload time as the M7/T6E1 Grizzly I think so

Alright I think I'll go with Medium tanks

[hushed shadow]

Kv1 isn’t the best but the later tanks are nice to learn with

[hot fulcrum]

Although I've seen players chose the KV-2 & alternatives as their main tank in Tier 6

[crude horizon]

Yea after you got the IS
Pain Will came 1by1 xD

From the most papper armor and very long reload

[hushed shadow]

Is3 is pretty nice

[hot fulcrum]

How do the later AMX heavy tanks compare to these Soviet tanks?

[crude horizon]

Yea but for the new player who dint know how to sidescrap its gonna bad

Most AMX tank dosent have any armour
But Its very good at dpm and speed

[hot fulcrum]

Like I've seen the AMX 50 100/120 reload 3 projectiles at once

I mean, 3 projectiles in reserve, one at a time

But then it needs some time to load the projectiles, even it has 3 in 1 magazine

[hushed shadow]

That’s an autoloader. The amx heavy tanks get that from tier 8 onward. But those aren’t so easy to play since they lack armor, and autoloaders require a little more skill since you need to not get caught on the long reload they have for each clip

[mellow wasp]

Go for the swedish tanks if you want some beasts

[hot fulcrum]

I haven't researched above the 14TP because the line was just crap

[hushed shadow]

Is3 for sidescraping? It’s not the best but it’s got a good turret. Just have to hide the hull and you do decently. And they get nice pen so there’s less struggle there. Other than that the E100 line is pretty good too. Helps learn sidescraping and they’re all good tanks

[mellow wasp]

Emil tanks get so good

[hot fulcrum]

EU tree didn't impress me compared to their alternatives

[thorny smelt]

WOT PC has a Turbocharger equipment that increases the top speed of the tank.

[mellow wasp]

How to not lose money every game on the emil 😢

[hushed shadow]

Wot pc doesn’t matter here. Whatever they get, Blitz doesn’t get affected

[quaint gust]

How do i use the su-130pm and is it a good td?

[quaint gust]

On console we only just got our version of a turbo charger

[blissful hamlet]

If you are loosing a lot of credits, get rid of some provisions and prammo

[quaint gust]

Prammo only costs if you shoot it

[blissful hamlet]

But we don't know if he's always firing them

[untold spire]

Ok seems people agree that T29 is maybe overpowered on level VII, less so than T32 on 8, but how about the rest of the lineage? Thinking about leveling up that line, are the 9 and 10 a bit overpowered like T29 again? I dont have much tanks on that level yet, so cant judge the stats so well.

Really love the T29 currently its amazing!!! It is slightly slow as par for a heavy but somehow it stll feels super manoeuvrable in close combat. Maybe the acceleration is just so tightly balanced.

[solid gate]

Comparing the T29 line to the Yoh line, at Tier VII, T29 is better than the M-VII Yoh. However, after that, E5 line just keeps getting worse until the E5 itself, which is fairly better. The T29 is the best tank for its Tier in that line.
As for the Yoh line, the Yohs just keep improving after the M-VII, which is infact the worst for its Tier in that line. So overall, the T29 line is worse than the Yohs.

So the T29 is a fun tank to play if you stop that line at it and don't go further.

[untold spire]

ok cool, many thanks! I have decided against the Yoh-line because I just dont deal with the magazine reload time. Especially if its then another 3 seconds to reload the shells. Props for those who do well with that, but not for me.

Thanks for the input, I might level that T29 line a bit, but with my expectations in check and see what else is out there.

[quaint gust]

In real life the t29, 30 and i think it’s the 32 next right?? Are all identical except for the caliber gun.

[thorny smelt]

T32 is like the US version of Tiger II

[valid kraken]

Swedish Light Tanks good?

[untold spire]

I think so? That skoda25 ofc especially, with its 3 magazine gun, you see it making mad damage in games sometimes. Or like kill noobs like myself in seconds. :D At least that was the trauma that made me start leveling them, but dont have the skoda yet, so take with a grain of salt.

[valid kraken]

I took Emily tank path actually

[lyric copper]

damage more people

take less damage

@quaint gust the tank has hella camo rating for a reason

[mellow wasp]

2k average damage :(

[lyric copper]

run prem acc or boosters

[mellow wasp]

alr got prem acc but nah boosters

[lyric copper]

then you’re taking too much damage

[violet timber]

You’re thinking of the T29, T30, and T34. They’re all basically the same tank except for gun caliber. T32 was basically just a chonkier Pershing because America was experimenting with heavy tanks and they had the Pershing readily available so they decided to make a heavy version of it

[quaint gust]

Oooh okie my bad

[solid gate]

No idea, really. I'm not that well-versed in tanks. Aircraft are my strong point.

[hot fulcrum]

Just got this tank after completing the missions

What's really the purpose, like this thing looks like a tank destroyer, with the fixed turret, but doesn't seem to damage other tanks that well, like around 130-140 HP damage

I don't think that you can sell these "premium" tanks

[hollow notch]

Me looks at sell button

[hot fulcrum]

Bruh what?

[thorny smelt]

Same LOL

[hot fulcrum]

Huh? Where's the sell button lol

[hollow moth]

The only thing I truly disagree is already on the first line.
"Ok seems people agree that T29 is maybe overpowered on level VII"

There shall be no "maybe" there, as there shall be no maybe in a solid fact

[hollow notch]

Nah, locking down parts of the map as the bottom tier is fine

[hot fulcrum]

Oh, I see that. It's under "Upgrades"

[hollow moth]

I didn't understand

[hot fulcrum]

And, before I sell this thing, is it of any use?

Imma take it for a spin

Hmmm

Not that bad of a tank...

Also, should I sell the T6E1 Grizzly, or it is worth using?

[hushed shadow]

Play a battle then sell for the M3 Lee

Selling without playing may not let you restore it later if you ever need to

[hot fulcrum]

Ah yes, 2 losses, 1 victory

My teammates are crap, I have noticed them doing stupid s***

[hushed shadow]

If you’re new those could just be bots

[solid gate]

Why would you want to restore it?

[hushed shadow]

Idk but isn’t it better to leave the option open? Can’t predict the future

[hot fulcrum]

Nope, so here it goes:
1st game - Victory, no issues with my teammates
2nd game - Loss. My teammate was constantly engaging with a tank with full HP although there was a tank with just 38HP and he did not hit them, instead engaged with the tank with the full HP.
3rd game - Loss. One of my teammates was AFK

[solid gate]

Keep it until you get a better premium. Good credit grinder.

[solid gate]

2nd match, that moron was definitely a bot.
@hushed shadow Okay.

[hot fulcrum]

Alright, but the problem with this is that it takes 10s to reload, while the M7 takes just around 7.5s and deals like 20HP less

[solid gate]

Most tanks past tier V will take 10s to reload. Get used to it.

[hushed shadow]

Depends on the tanks, the guns. There’s more to the tank than the reload time. The grizzly has some higher alpha and that might justify the reload

[hot fulcrum]

I do not mean that, say, the Leopard takes 10 to 11s to reload, but if the shells penetrate, it could deal massive damage

And, the leopard has weak armor but strong mobility.
Plus, that thing is a recon vehicle, not really a 'tank'

[hushed shadow]

Use the dpm statistic. Matters more. Long reloads are what higher alpha tanks get. But the dpm matters more.

[hot fulcrum]

You mean 'damage per minute'?

[hushed shadow]

Yes that. Dpm is the shortened form

It’s also complicated by the tank’s shell damage

[hot fulcrum]

Hmmm

[hushed shadow]

Higher damage means you have a longer reload for it (so the dpm doesn’t get too high), and so you expose less often, if you are hiding your tank between reloads. So this way you are able to fire when you reload since you need to find targets less often than if you had lower damage and needed to hit more often to do the same damage. This gets referred to as ‘effective dpm’. A tank with lower damage/alpha gets worse effective dpm usually since it can be sitting on a loaded shell for 1s, with like a 5s reload, which hurts it more than a higher damage tank sitting on a loaded shell for 1s with a 15s reload

[hot fulcrum]

So, comparing the Leopard and the KV-1,
Leopard's fire rate is 65, while KV-1's fire rate is around 7.5.
Leopard's Damage is at around, max, 300., while KV-1's is around, max, 270

[heady gorge]

Hello

I would like to know on how to sell a tank on mobile

[hot fulcrum]

Reload times:
Leopard's is around 11, KV-1's is around 9.8 seconds

[hot fulcrum]

I guess you just click on 'Upgrades' under the tank, then select Sell

[heady gorge]

Ok

[hushed shadow]

The leopard fires many shots, and not all hit, and they can bounce too. So just having higher damage isn’t good. If it can’t penetrate the shots or hit all of them, it can’t do the 300 damage

[hollow notch]

Tap that and then the bright red sell button

[hot fulcrum]

Yeah, and 300 is the baseline for the maximum damage, meaning that it can deal even more damage than 300

[hushed shadow]

That’s the average. It can deal less than 300 or even more

[thorny smelt]

Nope. KV-1's reload time is 9.27 seconds when fully upgraded and 10.36 on Leopard when CS is not used.

[hot fulcrum]

And, I think KV-1 can actually penetrate some armor

Laughs in Leopard's penetration

[thorny smelt]

You need to go for the tank's side or butt to fully utilize that 300 HP burst damage. Also, Leopard's reload can go as low as 9.93 seconds with 100% crew trained.

[valid gale]

The damage isn’t 300 most of the time anyways when it used to be good in 2016 it could easily do 330+

[thorny smelt]

Perhaps a high roll?

[hushed shadow]

When the Leopard and the ones preceding it were first introduced, the tier 3 and 4 tanks had the same clip damage. Was very broken on them. And they had better mobility. I remember drifting around in the Luchs. Was the first time I managed to drift a tank

[hot fulcrum]

Now, for the last time, I'm asking you guys. T-34 Lineup or the KV-1 lineup?

[hushed shadow]

KV1

[hot fulcrum]

Aight thanks

Start a match with the Leopard
Get blasted by the T1 Heavy and KV1
Leave the match within 30 seconds

[hushed shadow]

They’re hard to deal with using a leopard but try to fight other tanks instead

[hot fulcrum]

Yeah I mean 2 KV1's and T1 Heavy right at my face

[hushed shadow]

You’d be doing something wrong if they’re in front of you and looking at you

The leopard is a fast tank so ideally you should be at their sides or rear, or trying to get there

[hot fulcrum]

Here are my stats with the Leopard tank

[solid gate]

Good.

[hushed shadow]

Yep those are nice. Try to deal more damage by surviving more battles. Avoid taking any hits, spot an area before you go there, try to figure out where enemies can be sitting and move accordingly

[hot fulcrum]

I do try to avoid, but usually when there's an enemy Leopard, that can be really annoying

I try to use the M7 mostly

Here are my stats with the M7

[rugged cloud]

I'm missing 50 TP from the garage
I won it yesterday I played with it today and when I login again tonight the tank is missing and I DIDN'T SELL IT

[spark basin]

somebody got into your account

[hot fulcrum]

Yeah that seems a little sus

[hushed shadow]

How much gold do you have?

[rugged cloud]

300

[hushed shadow]

Hmm

[rugged cloud]

Maybe Wg can tell me if the tank was sold
I also checked the account manager and the last login was mine from my location

[hushed shadow]

Have you checked with a filter? There’s no way the tank just disappeared. Could be the first time it’s ever happened

[hushed shadow]

That’s weird. Make a ticket and ask. Now that I remember, someone else got a tank from a crate and it just disappeared. Would be awful if this is becoming common for players

[rugged cloud]

true

[hushed shadow]

Is there any chance at all that someone else has access to your account? Maybe a family member or friend, or if you are sharing your account with someone? Check if there’s anything else you received that shouldn’t be there. Maybe someone got in your account and sold the 50tp then spent the gold?

[rugged cloud]

I thought that if I write in disagreement ... it's someone from WG and he sees my message
I have already sent them a ticket in the support section

discord autocorect.... :))

[spark basin]

i have heard rumors where on a few occasions players somehow logged onto an account that wasn't theirs

[hushed shadow]

WG doesn’t check this that often. They check for specific things, like right after an update to see if there’s any bugs, or for feedback on events etc

[rugged cloud]

Does that mean I can't get my tank back?

omg

[hushed shadow]

The only hope is the customer service, or if they happen to read a channel where you’re posting about the issue, but it’s unlikely the WG staff on this server will be able to help you

[rugged cloud]

i sent them tiken

[hushed shadow]

Just make the ticket and give them any info they need. They should know whether it’s been sold, if you received any gold from selling it, or even if someone from a different device or location accessed the account recently

[rigid thunder]

mfw it's no longer september 24th and it's still circulating

[spark roost]

Guys grille or 183? Which one do u guys prefer?

[plucky summit]

I prefer 183 (mainly cause I don't have Grille 15)

183 is more fun, I guess

[solid gate]

Grille. 183 is a naval gun on a paper tank that alerts the entire game to its presence everytime it unleashes one single shell, followed by a twenty-second reload. And did I mention the accuracy, that will make a stormtrooper look like a sniper?

[sharp violet]

I went with the jackson line because i had bad experiences with paper armor TDs on lower tiers. Is it really better than the hellcat? i'm insecure as i've seen a lot of people saying the hellcat is considerably better.

I play second line, behind the heavies and mid tanks and i go more for assists than for kills

[violet timber]

The Hellcat is better, but the Jackson leads to the better tier 10

[sharp violet]

Can you explain why the hellcat is better? I've only ever seen bad hellcat players that die 10 seconds into the round

[violet timber]

Better gun and mobility

[sharp violet]

Mobility i don't need, and does the Hellcat hit harder? or just faster turning speed on the turret?

[violet timber]

Mobility is pretty important. The Jackson has more armor, but AP still butters through and it doesn't have enough mobility to run away like the Hellcat

[sharp violet]

Ok, i get it, but that's not really what i want

[violet timber]

Well the Jackson does lead to the better tier 10

[sharp violet]

I run away by moving backwards and turning in a direction so i end up bouncing shots.
Is the Hellcat really gonna be better at that? Also i checked the wiki and it has less power than the Jackson (with the gun upgraded)

[violet timber]

The Hellcat isn't gonna be better at that, it's more a light tank with a workable turret. The Hellcat's gun is also better by a far margin

[sharp violet]

Not my thing then. Thanks for the help

[violet timber]

Of course

[heady gorge]

maro is my tank and that “jail part was the war

[lyric copper]

The Hellcat is certainly more for experienced players

[bleak zenith]

Please don’t nerf the panther, it needs no nerfs

You have other op tanks like annihilators and smashers yet you wanna nerf the tech tree tanks and even weirder your nerfing a tank that doesn’t need to be nerfed, I have heard no complaints about the panther being too op…

[onyx sluice]

What are you talking about? The Panther appears to be getting buffed not nerfed.

[bleak zenith]

I saw on Reddit that their nerfing the panther!

[thorny smelt]

This is BLASPHEMY!

[hot fulcrum]

bru-

[bleak zenith]

This is fake?

Why would they lie about this? Also it’s not uncommon for wargaming to make stupid decisions (no offense wargaming but hey everyone makes mistakes)

[spark basin]

this is real

[hot fulcrum]

Yeah my parents made a huge mistake too

[solid gate]

😂

[hot fulcrum]

#general-blitz-discussion exists

[broken turtle]

vk 3002d > panther

[spark basin]

true

[rigid thunder]

yeah, how dare wg nerf a clearly overtuned tank

[spark basin]

there are way more stronger tanks that needed nerfing first

[rigid thunder]

I'd say the panther is pretty up there, and no, premiums or the smasher aren't included

[spark basin]

im just surprised the panther was the first one to get a nerf bat

[hollow notch]

List of tier 7 tanks that need nerfs:

Panther

~weegee

[onyx sluice]

Bro Reddit is lying. This is the Panther currently.

And this is the Panther in 8.4 it's clearly a buff.

[spark basin]

no you're reading it wrong, look at 8.3 panther then look at 8.4 panther, it is clearly a nerf

[plucky summit]

Click on the 8.4 and you'll see it's a nerf :)

[broken turtle]

having a turret and decent hull traverse speed on a td is clearly an advantage yes. By far wolverine is already my 2nd favorite tds in tier 5 because it has a turret for flexible aiming

[twilit vessel]

a comet

[solid gate]

IS-850 prototype confirmed?

[vocal igloo]

Flipped Turret?

[hot fulcrum]

KV-1S or KV-2?

[brazen holly]

You got it the wrong way around bud

[hot fulcrum]

Again, KV1S or KV2?

[thorny smelt]

KV-1S

[violet timber]

1s

[hot fulcrum]

Why do you think so?

[violet timber]

Better speed and armor. Also sets you up better for both lines

[hot fulcrum]

Ah yes, the 14TP. The s***iest tank I've EVER played with

Bruh I thought of playing the EU line and this thing is crappy as hell!

Especially the lower tier tanks

[sullen vale]

E 75

[copper swan]

those low tiers have no armour. don't count on the armour, instead, let someone take the hit and crossfire from another direction

[pallid elbow]

New Tier 10 camo for Jagtpanzer E 100

Also
Someone understand this

[solid gate]

The last two belong in #blitz-memes.

[pallid elbow]

Are you sure

[copper swan]

you forgot to add the 183 among the KV 2 and Centurion

[pallid elbow]

God damn it

[copper swan]

now go remake the meme, and say the softwares or applications used to make them

[pallid elbow]

Now I'm to lazy

[hot fulcrum]

AAHHHH Stupid BDR G1 B blew my a**

[pallid elbow]

Try these Tanks

The last one could bonk about 4 BDR G1 B's

[hot fulcrum]

Bruv I'm talking about Tier 5 tanks

Not those Tier 9/10 tanks

is the last one... a mix?

[violet timber]

They’re all mixes

[coral terrace]

I think we are getting a finlandish td or a light since we have a finland tier 1 for the European line

[violet timber]

Probably not since most Finnish tanks during the time period were captured, the only real Finnish tank to note is the BT-42

[granite depot]

how to play is7

[granite depot]

awwwww look at these cute little monsters!

[violet timber]

Hull down as much as possible, you’re pretty much a heavy version of the T22

[granite depot]

hull down? i thought the is7 had limited gun angles

[violet timber]

The things turret is a bunker, hull down

[hard cedar]

*hull down when possible cuz the depression is bad

[royal charm]

Should I keep IS-3 if I have IS-5, 252U and 112-2?

[real plover]

just got another ace in the TVP VTU

a lot of people must not like to play this tank. I find it quite fun.

[covert dagger]

What bugs me is that looking at the Models for the Ho-Ri and the WZ-111-1G FT, their guns shouldn’t be able to traverse left or right any.
For the games it’s a good thing they do, but just makes you wonder why someone would design it that way.

[plucky summit]

Because the hull can traverse, they just made that the bare mechanics of them

[hard cedar]

the ho ri was never a thing irl anyway

[shell robin]

it was real, but WG screwed them up.

[hard cedar]

the t10 ho ri never existed p sure

[solid gate]

The StugIIIis very versatile and fast.

[shell robin]

only the t8 and t9 existed, they are reversed (the jagdtiger looking one should be tier 9), and only the t8 used the historically accurate gun and engine. the t9 is what a botched museum tank restoration would look like.

[hard cedar]

yes thats what I was saying, t10 hori is fake

[shell robin]

yea the t10 and 7 are definitely fake.

[vital elk]

should I get the is7 first or the e100 first, I have both Is 8 and e75 unlocked

[kindred wren]

I think you should get the IS-7 first if you like action and the E 100 if you like relaxed gameplay

[bleak zenith]

It’s not op or superb, it’s Average

[sudden plover]

Su101, get the tier x gun, or skip it and go into su122? The 2° of gun depression is ruining the grind

[plucky summit]

get the X gun since it's on the 122-54

[sudden plover]

Yes but does the 122 suck without it

[plucky summit]

Kind of, yeah

[sudden plover]

Yeah, the pen is pretty poor on the other 2 guns, won't be great as bottom tier for certain. Guess I'll learn to love no depression

[plucky summit]

Learn how to position or use terrain to counter the bad GD =)

You're supposed to snipe anyways

[hard cedar]

Never snipe
Thank you have a nice day

[thorny smelt]

100% agreed

[slender cliff]

Debatable

[plucky summit]

Solved.

[slender cliff]

Spammer e

[plucky summit]

He raided Fatness’s server too

[slender cliff]

Bruh

[mighty tinsel]

Hey guys any tips on how to play the VK 72.01 K?

[thorny smelt]

It is a beefy Lowe

[mighty tinsel]

That doesn't help me.

[plucky summit]

It should not be played like a Lowe

[thorny smelt]

I haven't got to the tank yet. I'm still at VK 45.02 B.

@plucky summit I only say that because it is a Heavier Lowe doesn't mean it will have the same play style as the tier 8 Lowe.

[thorny smelt]

Try to hide your weak sides and do more on side-scraping with your booty out. Take advantage of its round turret but be careful of tanks that will shoot prammo like HEAT.

[boreal spruce]

face on everyone you meet,
don't angle
facehug if possible
always face your turret at the enemy
your LFP is super strong.
never rush alone, your side armour is bad
use the 15cm and run with CS (HE at everything hulldown)

[thorny smelt]

The upper front plate is quite strong but the thin strip midway on the hull is the weak spot so it is best to hide it.

It is weird that VK 72.01 K is an average frontline tank according to Blitzhangar but sometimes I cannot trust some of its tactic suggestions.

[plucky summit]

Don’t trust them at all, it’s purely statistical

[boreal spruce]

what @plucky summit said, i only use blitzhanger for the armour stats, use Wot Inspector to be exact

[slender cliff]

It is a frontline tank

[mortal maple]

Starting to get into more mediums but I'm unsure of which is preferred. Obj 140 or T-62A?

[thorny smelt]

Alrighty. The upper front plate is still thick but the strip and lower plate are less than 300 mm assuming the Ho-ri is the shooter

Hopefully I can get my hands on that VK 72.01 K pretty soon and give myself my review about it. E 100's turret is still easy to pen with VK 45.02 B's prammo.

[boreal spruce]

Happy Japanese Noises 🇯🇵 🍣

[minor nexus]

Is is4 still good or is7 better?

[hollow moth]

IS-4 is very good, but IS-7 now have an arguably better armor profile, more speed/agility and better offensive characteristics

[slender cliff]

Where did the ammorack on the is-7 get moved to?

[hollow moth]

As far as I know, the ammorack was not changed.

[thorny smelt]

Here's the comparison between IS-4 and IS-7 and see for yourself

[minor nexus]

Oh so the new buff makes the is7 good though

[thorny smelt]

Yeah

[minor nexus]

Oh ok that's cool

[slender cliff]

Is-7 armor profile was already insanely good before the buff. Still better than the is-4 against prammo and standard

[hot fulcrum]

AAAAHHH please buff the 14TP

that thing's utter s***

Or maybe it's just my bad luck with this tank 😐

Ah yes, finally got rid of this tank

Got the Lago

[hot fulcrum]

Also, I have questions about XP

[compact wraith]

no you dont

[hot fulcrum]

I do

[proven river]

Isn't it already time for WG to add a second Tier V tank in the Euro Tree?

No other Tech Tree will have 4 tank lines coming out of a single tank, much less a Tier V tank.

The only other tank that's comparable is the M4 Sherman, that has 3 lines.

[solid gate]

It's nicer as it is. Simplicity is beautiful.

[proven river]

Is it really pretty to have a single tank being used 4 times to get 4 different lines?

[solid gate]

Yes. I wish all other techtrees were like this.

[proven river]

So, you'd like to grind the M4 Sherman to get access to M4A3E8, T37, Chaffee, and maybe a Tier VI Yoh tank?

Would you like to grind the T1 Heavy 4 times to get the Hellcat, Wolverine, M6 and maybe a tier VI Yoh tank?

Or the VK-16 Leopard to get the VK-30.01P, VK-36, VK-30.01D and VK-28?

Or maybe the T-34 to get the SU-100, MT-25, T-34-85, KV-1S and KV-2?

Or maybe the Crusader for the AT-8, Sherman Firefly, Cromwell and Churchill VII?

If you say yes, thank you for confirming you're dumb.

[solid gate]

Ja

[proven river]

Oh, so you're dumb.

[solid gate]

Oui

I'm not trolling. I actually would like that. You're welcome to keep calling me a moron, by the way.

[valid gale]

That’s the most unfun system ever was the biggest issue when I was a beginner

[proven river]

God, your "liking" is just stupid.

Are you a bad masochist or something?

[solid gate]

To be more specific, I wouldn't mind if that tank was actually decent, like the Matilda. Or the Stridsvagn.

[proven river]

A tank being decent doesn't matter when you need to grind it 4 times, it's ridiculous.

[minor nexus]

Which one should i go for, is4 or is7?

[solid gate]

7

[hollow moth]

From the same directors of 'There's more noobs because WG made the grinding too easy', now we present 'The more you grind on the same tank, the better you become'

[proven river]

IS-4 is an easier tank to play.

But the grind there isn't for many.

Unless you like slow heavily armored tanks.

[minor nexus]

Oh so the is7 is good to go for first?

[proven river]

The IS, IS-3 and IS-8 seem... More agile.

Again, the IS-4 is an easier tank to use, the IS-7 not so much.

Although, the sides on the IS-7 are now incredible.

[minor nexus]

Oh ok thanks for info

[hot fulcrum]

D U C C

funniest design I've ever seen in a while. Looks like the metal was just poured on the top and immediately sent to cool

[solid gate]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-cute-duck-duck-cartoon-gif-21446316

[proven river]

The Stock Turret looked better.

But WG had to ruin the game with 5.5.

[hollow moth]

"They made my favorite tier 4 having only the top turret, the game is ruined"

[hot fulcrum]

This is what google shows me

like this thing has no curves while the in-game model is full of curves

I think WOT makes this thing have some curves near the tracks too

[proven river]

It's not just the Duck, it was the entire low tier region of the game.

Not only those tanks were removed, but also nerfed unnecessarily to hell.

5.5 is a good reason, but not the only reason, as to why you see new players with 1k matches at Tier IX.

[hollow moth]

"bla bla bla... as to why you see new players with 1k matches at Tier IX."
If you see a player with less than 1k battles and having a tier 9, it's a reroller. The newbies ALWAYS spread their researches because they struggle to choose one line among dozens.

Also, only reckless newbies would spend much time in tier 1-5 players, Even if you focus in only one line, you don't spend more than 100 battles to reach tier 5 and not even a total of 250 battles to get a tier 6. If you're a new player, you surely won't learn much by playing only more 100 times on the same tank.

The only mistake of 5.5 was remove out of the tech tree a few tier 5, 6 KV-13. Otherwise, all is justifiable.

[solid gate]

I reached the E75 (but promptly quit it because I decides I like hulldowning better) within 1500 battles despite having dropped four other lines earlier. No. I'm not a reroller.

[hollow moth]

But in fact you are not a newbie either. Newbies hardly discover their true preferences in that few battles, neither get enough credits for buying a tier 9 so easily

[solid gate]

My account is less than six weeks old and I have 1.8k battles. New enough?

[proven river]

No you moron, I can see the difference between a reroll and a newbie that focused into Tier IX.

I myself know one that got the Ferdinand in 6 days, as his first tier VIII.

[solid gate]

I've been muted twice for calling someone a moron. I'd change that if I were you.

[hollow moth]

If you got Ferdinand in 6 says, you would get tier 5 in only less than a single day. Who learns actually something in less than 8 hours of gameplay?

Tier 5, since before the 5.5 was fast and easy to get, a few hundreds of battles won't change anything

[hollow moth]

Btw, if you wouldn't mind, could I check your ign?

[radiant coral]

Jagdpanzer Line is the easiest lol-

[proven river]

I don't get your point.

He did that in less than 6 days.

Also it does change, if people get the other choices earlier, they'll spend more time on low tiers, but now that choices only appear after tier IV, people are more likely to focus up, like the guy I mentioned.

[solid gate]

No. I wouldn't. I'll DM you. What's your IGN?

[proven river]

I can't say for sure, but I probably had more than 1k matches when I finally got a firm foundation on Tier V, like 3 years ago.

And now people get to tier VIII or higher with that same number of matches.

It's ridiculous.

[solid gate]

You have a point. In 1.8k battles, I've reached Tier VIII in four different lines. The grind is too easy.

[hollow moth]

My point is simple and clear since the begging, more 100 or 200 battles won't change totally a player, neither make the noob become a pro or a decent player out of nowhere. In fact, it took me almost 7k battles to become minimally decent.

@solid gate I have no shame in doing so, Brazil14n, my NA account is a reroll, so go for the EU one

[hollow moth]

Show me your IGN, vague words without evidence are nothing

[proven river]

Brazil14n? Aren't you in the Subreddit Discord?

[hollow moth]

I don't use reddit.

[solid gate]

TheDragon_1842 @hollow moth .

[proven river]

The WoTB subreddit discord, not the subreddit.

We had 1 guy that had no Reddit account, but still got into our discord.

[hollow moth]

I'm making the match of how much exp you'd need to get in E75, wait a bit

@proven river Wait, a discord of a subreddit? it makes no sense, but the fact stills, I never went there.

[proven river]

That's strange, I definitely remember your IGN somewhere else.

But it still makes sense, you get more activity and faster response there, than in the Subreddit.

[hollow moth]

You would played 391 battles on the E75 line, and not counting not counting any other module (which would make a lot of difference but it'd make too much work to go seek for the numbers) you would need 313k EXP to get the E75. In fact it's posible to do this in a short term if you focus straightly in the line, but what really bothers me is the number of credits.
Unless you have a premium with real good credit coefficient (which unfortunately you don't have yet), It's out of common a player make more than 8,7 million credits in less than a thousand battles. If we counted at least the tier 1 equipments then we're talking about almost 10 million credits in less than 500 battles.

[solid gate]

I got only 2 of the top slots on most tanks, and in some cases, 1. I have the Pudel. I've grinded a lot with that. Also, I usually sell tanks I don't intend to use anymore.
Also, events, crates and clan missions have got me quite a bit of credits.

[hollow moth]

In fact, unless you have an insane number of purple credit boosters, I still see that you probably used a lot of credits, don't you?

[solid gate]

Yes. I am usually broke. Even now, I have only 200k. Also, the E75 isn't the only line I went for. I did the fv215b line up to the caer, the deathtstar line up to the at-8, the jageroo line up to the Jagdpanther, and the IS-7 line up to the IS-3. I quit the E75, btw. I'm now at the M-III Yoh.

[hollow moth]

If so, the reason of your grind being so easy is because of "WG generosity". Not because the tier 1-5 were too fast to get. The events bring a lot of free exp and credits, tier 1-5 usually stand a little up to 10k exp which is barely a whole free exp "safe" from a BP without getting the battle pass + the free exp you get along the way, If I do remember well.

[solid gate]

True, but the reason the grind has been so easy, even when I've spent exactly £0.00 on the game is because WG has made it so. I have bad RNG, I assure you. The most credits I've ever got out of a crate is the 525k from the small containers on one occaison.

[hollow moth]

Well, then it's not a 5.5 problem, but that the prizes are big enough to make the grinding faster. You see? @proven river Skipping about 10k exp is nothing when you get this easily and for free in every update at a Battlepass

[solid gate]

Maybe, but the prizes aren't easy to get. I'm very active player, which is why I'm able to get them. They're worth the struggle it takes. Imo, 5.5 is the problem.

[hollow moth]

Sorry if I may look like a bit rude now, but you didn't even play in that age to know exactly and with all details what changed. Most of the changes were on tier 1-4, which together make up to 4k exp. What is your average EXP? about 600? enough to complete this in less than 50 battles

[solid gate]

You have a point. But I still think Tier I-VI need a harder grind.

[proven river]

As I said, 5.5 was a good reason as to why people nowadays focus lines more than normal, not the only reason.

Again, if people don't get more choices early on, what's gonna stop them from focusing lines more now?

White Wolf is an example of another reason it's easier now than 3 years ago, the BattlePasses.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying, how many 3x certs, booster or resources you get in a Battlepass, @solid gate ?

[hollow moth]

I am a pre 5.5 player and I can guarantee to you that it won't be because of 50 more battles (or less than a few nowadays if you consider the battle passes) that will make the player go for various lines.

[solid gate]

I don't remember? About half a dozen? I get more from clan mission chests.

[proven river]

It was definitely what made me spread out, and it definitely did to a good amount of people too.

[hollow moth]

counting the safes, the prizes on the way of the BP, clan weekly rewards, the mission boxes and all the other things. How many battles you'd have to get a tier 5? 30? As you saw, that guy didn't even needed 2 days to get the tier 5 E75 line. The 10k exp and less than 500k credits needed to get a tier 5 are worthless, even if 5.5 never existed.

Having to repeat all the way down in tanks that hardly teach you the high tier gameplay is just waste of time

In fact, all the players that complain about 5.5 either are seal clubbers that miss their low tiers or people bragging about how more 50-100 battles would make a noob become a pro, maybe with a few excuses that disliked just a few changes that were unnecessary, like the "removal" of tanks like Jumbo or KV-13

[solid gate]

I hate low tier gameplay, so not me.

[hollow moth]

I hate it too, that's why my most played is SU-100Y. In pre 5.5 I'd rather play it a hundred times than repeating all the way down in a tier 3 or 4 tank that never taught me anything

[proven river]

You're forgetting that nowadays that's what's generally needed for the "single line" model we have nowadays.

Back then, tier II already had 2 lines, and 3 by tier III, so, multiply whatever's needed for a tier V today by 2 or something, that definitely holds people back.

Besides, it's probably does teach more that what we have today.

Are you forgetting we had Sniping TDs, "armored" heavies, fast LTs back then, by tier 2 or 3? That's definitely a start of a lesson on what happens on high tiers, at least way back when.

Nowadays, definitely not.

Also, about Sealclubbing, if 5.5 never existed, but the MM systems we have today did, Sealclubbing wouldn't be a problem.

New players have like 5k matches against 10-12 WG's bots up till they a Tier VIII tank, and most Sealclubbers now face other Sealclubbers.

The only consistent way to Sealclub now, is to make a reroll, so effectively, Sealclubbing stopped being a thing at tiers 1-5, to being at tier 6-10.

[hollow moth]

You're saying to me that we had variety in pre 5.5 tanks? That's a sham. all the tanks you call as heavies, mediums or lights had one of three possible playstyles

• You peek and boom
• You play it like a light tank
• You camp
  There were little to no exceptions that would teach anything but peek and boom or how to camp, DW2 and Char B1 (which was not removed) are the only exceptions for this

"Also, about Sealclubbing, if 5.5 never existed, but the MM systems we have today did, Sealclubbing wouldn't be a problem."
That's not a truth. The less low tiers that are possible to get, the less seal clubbers you have.

"The only consistent way to Sealclub now, is to make a reroll, so effectively, Sealclubbing stopped being a thing at tiers 1-5, to being at tier 6-10."
Touche, you're forgetting that WG does still sell low tier tanks by BPs and on the game store, also, there still very funny low tier tech tree tanks to play: Panzer 3, Char B1, Hetzer, Alecto, Matilda, There's that tier 4 american medium, etc

Even I sometimes find myself doing foolery at tier 3 and 4, Luchs still extremely relevant even today

[wind burrow]

Is7 got buffed ? Or not yet ?

[hollow moth]

Already buffed

[wind burrow]

Ok, time to buy it back :)

[past fractal]

It got buffed. The armor model got changed making hull armor much better and less pennable also the turret is a bit thicker.

I think the sides got buffed too. Also you cant get penned through the middle tracks anymore

[proven river]

How does "less low tier variety" lead to "less Sealclubbing", when I told that we now have a MM system that is basically preventing Sealclubbing?

Also, do we not have Peek-a-boom tanks in high tiers, or camping type TDs in high tiers, or Mathilda/B1 type tanks that are DPM machines in high tiers?

[hollow moth]

The MM system you're talking about only works in EU and RU servers. Players with less than 5k battles in ASIA and NA are still totally capable of seeing veterans

Btw, comparing the lower tier peek and boom and camping with top tier peek and boom is also a shame, both are completely different

Another "btw", in high tiers it's not good to camp. There's a clear difference between camping and sniping.

A third "btw", in fact, as I said there were little to no low tiers that actually teach how to play higher tiers, but even so; you wouldn't like to play a Maus on the same way you play Char B1.

[solid gate]

any fourth ''btw'' ?

[violet timber]

Btw STA-1 is good

[hollow moth]

Btw, Leichtraktor > STA-1

[violet timber]

Nah

[proven river]

Bro, have you tried getting an account in NA recently?

I'm not talking about the system you're talking about.

There's legit a Bot MM system on NA, you get to fight against 10 or 12 legit Computer tanks until you buy a tier VIII tank.

As for Peek-a-boom tactics, how are they not Essentially the same?

And comparing a B1 with a Maus? Maus is not a DPM tank, it's a "shell bouncing" tank, it doesn't get to sit and spit lead like the B1 does at tier IV.

It feels like you're distorting what I'm saying.

As for Camping =/= sniping, they're essentially the same tactic, what matters is the tank you're using, a Maus in a "sniping spot", is obviously a useless camper, but a Grille in the same spot is obviously a Sniper, if he's useless or not, that's the team result screen to decide.

[hollow moth]

Could you provide any document or anything from WG that states about bots being officially used in NA? Better, I will open my NA reroll account once again to show this. Bad players are not bots.

"As for Peek-a-boom tactics, how are they not Essentially the same?"
Yes, but with total different values it's everything different. Have you tried to peek and boom with a Grosstraktor variant and a high tier medium? One is way more forgiving than other due to armor, precision, agility, etc. Even the way you have to peek in a low tier must be slower, otherwise your aim circle will get enormous

"And comparing a B1 with a Maus? Maus is not a DPM tank, it's a "shell bouncing" tank, it doesn't get to sit and spit lead like the B1 does at tier IV."
Both are heavies with great armor, barely the best representation of super heavy on their tiers and that's all that matters.

"As for Camping =/= sniping, they're essentially the same tactic..." Ok, you showed that you yet see a sniper and call him camper

[proven river]

I'm not talking about bad players, I'm talking about bots, with 0 WR, 0 Battles, 0 Damage, legit bots, like the ones that'd spawn in old Counter Strike.

Values changes yes, but you're still hiding behind hard cover, then popping a shot off, and running back to hard cover.

No, I haven't showed, I'm just saying, Sniper essentially sit around in snipping spots for longer than other tanks in more forward spots.

Which is essentially the same as camping, you know, sitting around too much in a spot far away from the Frontlines, that would great for a sniper TD?

Camping and Snipping are essentially the same, the differences come with if your doing it effectively or not, and with the right tank.

[hollow moth]

I'll be testing it now, btw, if it's so easy to get higher tiers then you shall see no problem at seeing new newbie trying other nations. It's ok to see bots in your tutorial battles, but bots in tier 6 battles? pfff

In fact yes, but trying peek and boom with the average low tier tier gun and with a T-62A. You'll see it's pretty much a different experience with the same moves in theory

Yep, you proved that, for you, if the sniping isn't working and it's not with the correct tank then it' camping. Essentially, it's wrong.

[proven river]

I don't see problems with new players testing everything they want, I see problems with new players under 2k matches already on the end of a tree.

Again, it's not a very different experience, it's still the same tactic, it's still the same moves, just more refined.

I guess yeah, I don't like seeing a Maus on the north or south corner of Dead Rail being useless.

[fast compass]

Bots are definitely around. I recently created an account on NA, have been facing teams mostly made of bots even in tier 6

[proven river]

I believe I have seen Tier VIII Bots while using a Tier VII French Heavy.

[hollow moth]

https://www.blitzstars.com/player/com/Brazil14n
I am trying to find access for this account as it's my only NA account without a matchmaker bug, but even so, I'm struggling to remember which of my emails I used

[proven river]

I can probably make a new account for you to see it.

Actually, I have an low tier alt account, I'll use it tonight again.

[hollow moth]

You're correct. I didn't expect this as there was no official announcement about bots in NA. I'm pretty surprised as I played a frontline role in D Max and got shot once by a bot.

This must be extremely, as I never noticed something like this

[proven river]

So, basically, Sealclubbing doesn't exist as it existed pre 5.5.

Resurrecting my point that 5.5 could be mostly undone, and there wouldn't be much problems.

I say "mostly undone", because there was 1 good thing 5.5 did, and that's the VK-100.

[hollow moth]

As I have no account with high tiers in NA, could you play a battle with a low tier even with an advanced account? I want to see what exactly are the type of players that appear

[violet timber]

It’ll be normal players

[hollow moth]

with how many battles as average?

[violet timber]

I dunno, I haven’t played low tiers in a while, I just know it’ll be normal players

Bot mm only lasts till tier 5, but you can get rid of it earlier if you platoon with someone who doesn’t have bot mm

[hollow moth]

If there still appears players with under 1k battles, it's factual that seal clubbing yet did not end.

[violet timber]

I’m 99% sure players with under 1k battles will appear

[hollow moth]

So, under the supposition that STA's only fan statement is totally correct, it's incorrect to affirm that seal clubbing ended in NA.

[solid gate]

When drops the Update 8.4 with the polish vehicles

[violet timber]

I mean Anni and Smasher exist so seal clubbing will never be truly dead

[hollow moth]

factual

[violet timber]

Some time in October

[hollow moth]

The 8.3 happened in less than 3 weeks, chill and wait

[solid gate]

Yeah I know

But they are derpy
that means they are (hopefully) fun to play

[hollow moth]

Another btw, in EU and RU, which have even bigger beginner matchmaker (under 30%WR and/or less than 5k battles = high chances to see bots) and still have an active seal clubbing base. KV-220 is even quite popular among the wallet warriors

[proven river]

Dunno about STA's point.

But over the handful alts I have, this is what I gather.

From tier 1 up to Tier VII, you will face mostly Bots.

After you buy a Tier VIII, that goes away, no more bots.

I don't know the Battle count limit, but I don't find it to be too much different than the MM System you started talking about much earlier.

As I said, or maybe retconned, Sealclubbing is not the same anymore, you're not getting new players fresh off the mostly useless tutorial we had ages ago, most of those new players are now skipping over wannabe Sealclubbers, by fighting against mostly bots for 7 tiers.

So, instead, you'd be going after Tier VIII players to "Sealclub", I use quotes, because Sealclubbing a newbie with a Tiger II is somewhat harder than sealclubbing a newbie with a DW.2 from 3 years ago.

My main account currently has 21k matches, and I have had a tier VIII for at least 10k matches now.

But I did have an alt, where I focused France and Italy, once I bought the AMX 50 100, the bots seemed to vanish.

[hollow moth]

So, you just proved that 5.5 is necessary. If someone can rush a line and get a tier 8 in less than 1k battles, it's fair to make him play against bots as much as possible, so at least he won't bother players in a few tiers for a few time

Undoing 5.5 would make the player play even more against bots. If you would want to see my battles my in NA account, the bots hardly punish you for doing mistakes, like playing frontline in D Max

[solid gate]

Dear lord are people still on about 5.5?

[hollow moth]

Apparently yes

[proven river]

No, the new system now proves that 5.5 is unnecessary now.

Why care about removing "Sealclubbing" tanks" or "simplifying the lower tech tree", when New Players don't even see actual good real players up until Tier VIII?

[proven river]

This all started because I said WG should add a new tier V Euro tank.

The poor Strv m/42 will be carrying 4 tank lines on his back.

[solid gate]

Players rushed the line before 5.5 and they did it after 5.5.

I’ve said it countless time but what the hell, I’ll say it again.

5.5 was about money and growing the player base. Players who sat in tier 3 for 40 thousand games didn’t spend jack on the game to be there. On top of it they drove away new players.

Now new players have a longer chance to become vested in the game and players who are vested are less likely to walk away.

[hollow moth]

Because once the gets the tier 8, this same player will start to see seal clubbers when starting to grind another tech tree.

Worse than grinding the same tank 4 times, is grinding different tier 1-5 tanks every time you want to get another tier 6 tanks

[proven river]

And now that new players face mostly Bot and now real players for 7 tiers, that makes 5.5 retroactively unnecessary.

[solid gate]

There will always be seals and there will always be people waiting to club them. The trick is to get the seals vested /spending in the game before they walk away.

[hollow moth]

You already stated that new players get into tier 8 too fastly, so they also start to see normal players fastly, they also will start to see seal clubbers when grinding other nations.

You just proved to yourself to be contradicting your statements

[solid gate]

False. Wargaming doesn’t make their money off of low tiers. They don’t want players to hang out there. They want them buying tanks in the higher tiers.

[proven river]

I'm not asking for a whole new low branch, just 1 tier V tank, so that an entire tech tree doesn't hang off of a single tank.

@solid gate WG has already been doing that after 5.5 and before the new system, I have seen an increased shoving of tank offers for stuff like Tier VIII Premiums in some of my accounts.

[hollow moth]

Why that only 1 tank isn't enough for other 4 branches?

[proven river]

I don't get your mental gymnastics.

If they had more low tier options shown to them earlier, they'd be aware of the other choices before getting to the tier VIII break point.

[solid gate]

One more tier V is fine but my point about 5.5 stands. Some players may have disliked it but overall it was good for the long term health of the game.

[proven river]

You really want to use the same tank 4 times?

Do you not want to try a new tank?

Does it not look or feel horrendous for a single line to suddenly burst into 4 different lines?

[hollow moth]

I don't bother about tier 5 tanks because I understand that in this game, the variety only starts at tier 6. Tier 5 mediums are most likely copy and pastes with different design.

It's even faster to grind as I wouldn't have to research a whole new tank just to get a tier 6

Faster, simpler and easier to ignore tier 5

Also, just remember that if you feel bored of a tier 5 tank, there always exist other lines, none is forcing you to play the same tank 4 times straight, you can also skip this this tier five by grinding BPs

[sharp violet]

the first line i grinded was the british TD line, i grinded the alecto for so much just to get a slow ass tank that didn't fit my playstyle, i got to the wolverine in like 4 hours after i decided to switch lines

[real plover]

Anybody remember that one E-100 from Comrade’s video?

[manic carbon]

Badger would have been a better fit for the line but the time for that is long gone

[proven river]

And that variety started way earlier before 5.5.

We had TDs at tier II already, some heavies or heaviums at III, and all types by tier IV.

Now that 5.5 happened, people also notice that because most of the fun variety is up there, they should also rush up more than before.

Also, yes, there is something "forcing" me to play this tier V tank, the something is that this tank leads to 4 lines.

I'm not a man that wastes FXP that much, if I had to use FXP it's because something was horrendous, I'll not skip an entire tank, unless it was a horrendous experience to me.

[proven river]

How long did it take WoT PC to change their 183 into the Badger?

I don't play wot PC, but I know it didn't happen immediately.

[hollow moth]

The first time I grinded in my main account, I got T-150 in less than a week, disliked it (still hate this tank with my guts) and changed to SU-85 and liked, then changed for Pazer 4, then Sherman... When I did notice, boom; I had 5k battles and no tier X.

[proven river]

That's alright, I got my Maus with way more matches than 5k.

[sharp violet]

now i'm on the t110e3 line, if i end up not liking the e3 i have as a backup the foch 155 line

at some point i will get other classes don't worry i just really like TDs

[hollow moth]

Still, none is forcing you to play the same tank 4 times straight, as you always have the option to use what you earned in events or simply change the line like what I did in my first whole year

[manic carbon]

Blitz doesn’t follow PC all the time.
Besides, I doubt they would replace the deathstar with the Badger which they have sold many times now.
Deathstar remains popular as it is highly played and since the nerf bat hasn’t been good. I don’t see much reason to replace it really anymore

[real plover]

I forgot which update it was but they removed 183 from the tech tree and put the badger in it’s place. Also I don’t see how people thought the waffle e 100 was sooo unbelievably overpowered. Sure it had a 6 round clip with 560 average BUT the clip reload was the longest in the game, it was slow, the turret basically negated the hull armor and it’s pen was sorta eh

[plucky summit]

Alpha beats all

[real plover]

Uh ok….

[sharp violet]

if it even penned anything, with all that alpha damage that's gonna be a banger

and if it couldn't pen, it still could make some chip damage by shooting HE at the tracks

[proven river]

I know it doesn't, hell, now PC got the Yoh after us.

But that wasn't my point, my point was checking how long of a window there was between 183 being the tier X tech tree, and the Badger becoming it.

Also, direct profit is a good reason our Badger won't be put as tech tree, I think it sells well enough.

[real plover]

What if they added it to blitz as a collector and balanced it by four round clip, 2.5 interclip, 460 alpha, 25 second clip reload?

[plucky summit]

Then you have a tank capable of drilling 1840 off of enemies, which I think is inherently OP

[proven river]

6 x 560... That's a 3.3k burst, even if the pen is "meh", that's still enough to kill a WoTB Maus In a single clip, you can't properly balance that without changing the alpha or she'll count.

[real plover]

Oh and I forgot. 20 km/h max speed

[plucky summit]

Just no

[proven river]

It doesn't matter if it's slower than a Doom Turtle, it's still a tank that can wipe a Maus out in less than a minute.

[real plover]

I’m talking about the balance for adding it to blitz

[plucky summit]

He did say 4 x 460

[sharp violet]

why not make it like the leopard?

[proven river]

Also, T95 Doom Turtle legendary paint job when, WG?

[plucky summit]

In what unholy way?

[sharp violet]

destroys if it hits all shots, but trash pen.
when playing the alecto i once got 380'd by a leopard

[real plover]

👍

[plucky summit]

That just turns it into another 183 that'll actually just be unfun to play

[proven river]

Let's see, 4 round, 460 alpha, with a 25 mag second reload and 2.5 intra.

It dumps 1.8k DMG each, 32 seconds or something, that's still a Maus kill in less than a Minute.

On average, not even taking high or low rolls in account.

[sharp violet]

would make it another class because that's not how a TD plays

[rigid thunder]

insane burst, and insane accuracy. More than enough to cover the lack of armour

[plucky summit]

interclip reload*
Yes, there's a difference

[hollow moth]

WG, When I'll get PBR for my favorite bad tank?

[real plover]

What if it had object 268 dispersion values

[proven river]

Interclip? You mean between clips?

Because for me inter means "outside", and inter means "inside".

[real plover]

Actually, what if it had good accuracy but the dispersion on move was like the WZ-120’s

[proven river]

Again, it's just a 183 Clipper tank.

Again 2, that's a sniping 183 clipper tank.

[plucky summit]

I call the reloads as is:
Reload - The entire clip before you can fire again
Interclip - The time for bursts/shots you can control
Intraclip - The time it takes for each shell in one burst that you can't control

Inter means between while intra means within =)

[proven river]

The WTF E-100 as it was, can't be balanced to be put inside WoTB, @real plover.

@plucky summit so, basically what I said? 25 second for the mag reload, with a 2.5 intraclip reload?

[real plover]

Oh and 230 mm of standard pen, 290 on prammo. Balanced?

[plucky summit]

So take a Leopard, one of the few tanks with both an interclip and intraclip:

The interclip is 0.14s, but when you click once, the tank fires thrice, and the time it takes for each shell to fire within that uncontrollable burst is the intraclip reload

WT E100 would have a reload and an interclip reload, no intraclip.

[sharp violet]

nah how about 600mm standard pen 😏

[proven river]

The only thing from the WTF E-100 that should be bought to WoTB is the Gun shield design, I want it on my Grille or WT Auf Pz IV.

[real plover]

Agreed

[plucky summit]

So you want a nerf option?

[real plover]

It could be an attachment for the grille and waffle

[plucky summit]

I don't want it to deceive players though

[proven river]

That's wrong purely based on the fact I basically never seen interclip being used like that.

Intraclip is the reload inside the clip, The Gravedigger has a .6 second intraclip while it has a mag reload of 10 seconds, which would be the interclip.

[plucky summit]

Alright, but at least I have the terminology to account for the time it takes for say, an Annihilator to fire between each shell ;)

[proven river]

It has a .3 intra.

[plucky summit]

Precisely =)

I focus on the difference between an Annihilator and perhaps, an AMX 13 75. AMX 13 75 can control how many shells it fires, basing an interclip reload, while Annihilator is forced to fire all three, basing an intraclip reload

[proven river]

AMX 13 75 has a 2 sec intra.

Intra reload is the time between you firing a shell, and having a second one ready.

Inter reload is the time between your tank changing mag or clips.

[plucky summit]

Yes, but you can't include the specifics about the time it takes for each shell in a burst to fire

[proven river]

There's basically no need to know the intra reload of burst of a burst.

[plucky summit]

I need it for my DPM calculation for my tank concept sheets, but alright

[earnest egret]

What do you guys think about the new polish line?

[sharp violet]

it's an ok tank, it's comparable to other tanks, i think it's a copy paste but exclusive.
a lot of people are getting great games with it so i don't see any problem

[proven river]

The new super consumables are a mistake.

Next line is gonna come with a straight pen boost to line's shells.

[hard cedar]

how is it a copy paste 🤨

[proven river]

I think he means the 60TP having an IS-4 like armor profile.

[solid gate]

You think Update 8.4 drops in less than 14 days ?

[wintry orchid]

10th to 20th October someone said @solid gate

[hot fulcrum]

BRUH somebody got into my account

my provisions, camo, a few gun changes, all were changed for the KV-1

[kindred wren]

Reset the password and then check if you e-Mail is compromised. Change passwords for your e-Mail too if you suspect it might be compromised

[hot fulcrum]

I hopped into a battle with the KV-1 but then realised it was taking half a century to reload

Looks like the HE mods were fitted

[hot fulcrum]

And, I was about to sell a tank, the T1 Heavy since I don't really play it, but then it showed me a pop up message telling me that I have reached my sell limit

[shell robin]

I wonder what tier the Hiro-Sha would be. this has actually been a td I wanted in blitz as a mid tier before the Japanese td line was introduced, possibly tier 5 at least. It's a Type 95 platform, a tier 4 Japanese heavy tank with at most 35mm armor at the front, and slower than a Matilda, but uses the type 92 10cm gun, which does 300 dmg and a 12 second reload. Overall, it's slow with paper armor, but has a homewrecking gun.

[solid gate]

tier 5 id say, that or tier 4 and it would be grossly underpowerd.

[shell robin]

the platform itself is severely underpowered for a tier 4. the thing that makes this tank is obviously the gun. I'm agreeing with tier 5, since the gun will severely cripple (if not 1 shot) most tier 4s, bar the heavies and possibly some high hp meds. if I was to nerf it, i'd nerf the dispersion, since it's got similar gun handling to the T29 (on pc).

[proven river]

Could you guys give me feedback on these ideas I have been having?

These are all tier Xs for one or more reasons.

First one would be an American Medium.

Mostly standard stuff, basically a heavily modified Patton.

Has an Autocannon between 75-90mm, with limited turret traverse, say 90 to 135 degrees to each side, 10 degrees of depression and elevation.

The catch is that it's an automatic cannon, it dumps ammo just like a machine gun in Battlefield or Call of Duty, as long as you hold the fire button, it fires.

It's have a 1sec reload, so 60 rounds per minute.

The limited traverse is because it's connected to an ammunition storage through a rail not too different from the tubing that connects an ammobox to a Minigun in a Helicopter.

[valid gale]

That is immensely stupid and potentially broken

[shell robin]

seconded

[flint eagle]

So … tier 7 then.

[still otter]

Will the 50TP proto receive PBR?

[shell robin]

the concept itself isn't really workable

[hollow notch]

._.

[blissful hamlet]

But Jagdpanther II is fast

[pallid elbow]

I don't get the full point too

[dusk tree]

guys im planning to buy t-2020... any opinions?

[violet timber]

Don't

[solid gate]

Do

[plucky summit]

It's a good holding tank, with your standard Russian 122mm

Position it in a way where the gun depresses over the front, centered on the pike, and angle it upwards to maximize effectiveness, moving around a bit will do you even better

[past fractal]

I’m an average player in T110E5, any tips on how to play it?

[solid gate]

Shoot anything that moves

[lofty acorn]

i find that if u sell the tank, it performs best

[hollow notch]

sells t110e5

What now?

[solid gate]

W H Y

[hollow notch]

I sold it once because I got severely annoyed with ammo damage

[solid gate]

oooooooh, makes sense

[mystic fable]

Will they reduce the armor of the panther l?

[kindred wren]

Because it‘s op

[hollow notch]

Not really by tier 7 standards

[kindred wren]

Only if your tier seven standards are literally op tanks

[hollow notch]

There are relevant tier 7s and irrelevant tier 7s

I would say it fits in the top half of the relevant ones

[plucky summit]

<@&481447501690568709> look in blitz-memes for spam, also in blitz-art, also in balance-discussion
my cooldown is there :p

[sharp violet]

is the chi to spg line good?

or is there any other good lines for something similar to the jackson, preferably with a little more speed

[compact wraith]

“yes panther was performing better than every other tier 7 so we had to nerf it
we care very much about the balance of tier 7”

-wg

[hard cedar]

hori line has some armor, but it's not a lot and they are relatively fast
they also have the best pen in the game

[quartz parcel]

Does anyone know which tanks have the new mud/snow/sand graphics and how to activate em?

[solid gate]

Perfection.

[hard cedar]

Yoh line, vickers line, kran line, e100, is7, t54e2, wz-120-1g-ft
Turn tank graphics to high in settings

[thorny smelt]

Excuse me.....?

[compact wraith]

panther nerfed in 8.4

[quartz parcel]

Ty, for some reason I couldn't find the info in the news

[hard cedar]

The lines with pbr are just mentioned in the update patch notes in which they received pbr

[nocturne tiger]

wow that looks like it has good gun depression

[slender cliff]

Yeah like -90 degrees man

[hot fulcrum]

Just got the KV-1S, idk man, this thing doesn't bounce shells, it lets them penetrate

I will sell this

[scarlet kernel]

so... i've been looking around...

for the M-60 it can penetrate 120mm armor at 60 degree. around 240mm effective armor

[copper swan]

heat is more reliable to the ishermans

[mighty tinsel]

If the ISU152 had a turret that doesn't affect the gun stats, would it make the Borsig pointless to play?

[thorny cargo]

I'm I a good tank :)

[junior pawn]

Is the kpfpz 70 any good for tier 9 premium tank ?

[proven river]

Nah, this would be a tier X.

[hot fulcrum]

Bruh is the KV-1S any good?

[drifting grove]

It's alright.

[hot fulcrum]

I got screwed by 2 KV-2s

[drifting grove]

You are not invincible. Sidescrape.

[hot fulcrum]

yeah I know that

but still, this armor is quite penetrable...

Wish me luck

nvm, we won that game

[drifting grove]

GG

[hot fulcrum]

Anyway, I got single-shotted by a KV2 Menacing

[thorny smelt]

Ammo racked?

[hot fulcrum]

Nope

1 shot, I'm dead

[thorny smelt]

Oh. My bad

[hot fulcrum]

Maybe nerf the KV-2 instead of Panther?

[thorny smelt]

I'd much rather have the Annihilator and Smasher get nerfed LOL

[past fractal]

Guys is Jg pz E 100 good

[charred tartan]

can I ask whats the best light tank in t5?

[drifting grove]

Crusader. Bonus points because it leads to the best Light and Medium Tier X tank in the game.

[proven lake]

should i sell my lttb cause i dont really know how to play light tanks

[drifting grove]

If you don't intend to use it, go ahead.

[proven lake]

ok thx

[drifting grove]

Applies to all tanks. Not just the LTTB. Unless you're a collector.

[thorny smelt]

Well yeah. It is called The Broomstick of Death.

[nocturne tiger]

This is gonna be painful, I didn't have much free exp so I'm just gonna take advantage of burning games for this

[solid gate]

hey guys, do you know how to play the VK72 ?

[drifting grove]

Well, you got past the IS-3 stock grind. How hard can this be?

[solid gate]

IS8 is really good, you just have to rush the cannon :D

[proven lake]

which tier 7 medium tank should i grind for?

[drifting grove]

Centurion. Or the P44.

[solid gate]

P44 pantera is really good... I like it... ohw 7 tier

[drifting grove]

Ja he changed it.

[solid gate]

uhm, what about the Spic, it's a light but it is really gud

[drifting grove]

That's a light.

[drifting grove]

Leo? What ever Tier VII happens to be on the Italian and Czech lines are also good.

[hot fulcrum]

So um, I have researched till the Strv m/42

Which line do you think I should go with?

[solid gate]

meh

[solid gate]

if you want only medium, italian

[drifting grove]

Do you like heavies or meds?
If you like heavies, go for the Kran. If you like meds, go for the Prog.

[proven lake]

I havent fully tried medium tanks

[hot fulcrum]

I like a mix, but I think Italian tanks have really good autoloaders

[proven lake]

does the progetto have a auto reloading system?

[solid gate]

yup

[proven lake]

whats the difference between autoloaders and auto reloading systems?

[hot fulcrum]

same question

[drifting grove]

There's a vid on YT by wargaming that explains the system better than we ever can. Look it up.

[proven lake]

aight

[nocturne tiger]

Well for starters.. there's almost not much I can do considering most of the tanks I'll encounter will be heavily armoured or pen me like butter all the time..

[drifting grove]

Sidescrape. Or try hulldowning. The 5° depression won't help, but your turret is almost invincible.

[scarlet kernel]

thats funny, almost invincible turret

[hot fulcrum]

For example, autoloading is Leopard tier 5, autoreloading is the AMX 50 100 etc

Correct me if I'm wrong

[vocal igloo]

Wdym

[scarlet kernel]

no, vk 16.02 (leopard tier 5) is an autocannon, autoloader is the AMX 50 100, autoreloader is the p44 pantera

[hot fulcrum]

mhmm, but the 1602 shoots like 3 shots per shell

[vocal igloo]

Auto Reloader tanks is the Kranvagn Progetto and more

The Autoloader tanks is the T57 Amx 50b Amx 50 100 and the skoda also tvp

[solid gate]

there is more auto reloader than kran and the prog ? :O

[drifting grove]

M-VI Yoh....

[hot fulcrum]

Emil 1, Emil 2, etc

[vocal igloo]

Oh ye i forgot

[drifting grove]

They're autoloaders. Not auto reloaders.

[nocturne tiger]

Yeah I'll try these... And besides I can have alot of things to do in burning games while having 2x the exp.. though I'm not sure about winning

[vocal igloo]

Emil 2 top gun is Auto reloader

[solid gate]

btw, what's the best TX light ?

[drifting grove]

Vickers Light. 🅱️ESH.

[solid gate]

It is ? i was thinking about the french one

[drifting grove]

French don't have 🅱️ESH

[solid gate]

nice, so I've already got the Comet

[scarlet kernel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKVzXkpBEUE

an example of autocannons, same caliber as the VK 16.02

[nocturne tiger]

Which one should I research first in the IS-8

[solid gate]

cannon, the best thing dude

[drifting grove]

Turret→Gun→Engine→Tracks. Always.

[solid gate]

gun -> turret/engine -> tracks

[vocal igloo]

If u want get the IS-7 faster, just go for the gun then go for the IS-7, lol

[solid gate]

yup

[drifting grove]

No. Most tanks, the stock turret is weak. Especially heavies.
Tiger II and E75 are unplayable with the stock turret.

[solid gate]

yes but IS8 start with the stock turret and lost it when farming the next turret lmao

sry bad english

but the first turret has the best armor

[drifting grove]

Unique exception.

[solid gate]

yup x)

so rush the gun first

[vagrant badge]

Is it me or anyone has the same feeling that the gun of FV4005 is literally cursed amongst the tier X TD? Like, its accuracy is just pure trolling.

[vocal igloo]

Thats why they put Reticle Callibration or idk in that tank