vehicles-discussion

[mighty tinsel]

Ok thanks bro.

[delicate dock]

Np, enjoy the grind

[static harness]

I still stand my point that the 50 120 is better tier for tier than the 50b
Fit me

[delicate dock]

I like the 18 sec clip reload and 10 degrees of depression on the 50b, I didn't have a problem with 120 either though

[static harness]

10 degrees of gun depression is nice yeah

[delicate dock]

1200 clip potential to tier 8s with the amx 50 120 is devastating

[static harness]

Both tanks are strong regardless
Maybe a bit harder to play
But great

[delicate dock]

Ye

[thorny smelt]

One of our mates made a mistake of going frontline with AMX M4 45

[pine orchid]

Guys

I have no Idea how to play Soviet medium tanks Teach me pls

[rigid thunder]

which tier are you at though? Though those tanks mostly want to stay hull down

[hazy ingot]

Action X worth the golds???

[solid gate]

This is true :) (found on internet)

[devout lichen]

should I buy the Chi-To or try to grind my credits for AMX M4?

[weak ruin]

how do you get the is-5

[violet timber]

You need to have personal supply level X and be in a clan with clan supply level X, but at the moment it’s glitched and cannot be purchased

[weak ruin]

So lets just say im in a clan with a supply level X and im like personal supply level 7 and i switch clans, will i stay as personal level 7 or will i go back to 1?

[violet timber]

You’ll stay personal supply 7

[weak ruin]

and how hard is it to get to level X?

[violet timber]

Not that hard, just gotta play the game really. If you want, you can use free xp to speed it up, but I don’t recommend this

[weak ruin]

what are the other perks of getting my personal level higher?

[violet timber]

If you get into a clan with clan supply level ten, then you get discounts on just about everything you can purchase

[weak ruin]

oh sick thanls

[modest ocean]

Hmm can someone tell me what is the recommend equipment on jgpz e100?

[ancient iron]

hey all..... gotta ask.... does the British t9 med get more playable than the t8?

[hard cedar]

Yes

[violet timber]

Recommended is rammer, gld, very stabs, protection system, improved assembly, tool box, camo net, either one works here, consumable delivery system.

I personally use cali instead of rammer for the point and pen 800 alpha shells

[real plover]

Yes, especially with the 105 L7A1 that has lovely HESH

[rigid thunder]

I'd personally go with everything the other guy said, except taking refined gun over vstabs. You can pick either GLD or supercharger to boost your velocity to over 1000m/s.

[violet timber]

The Jageroo is honestly something that could work well with almost anything you equip it with

[modest ocean]

Oh ok ty

[stuck mantle]

Is teegor the second good

[acoustic ginkgo]

should i go for amx 50b after done vickers light ?

[hard cedar]

if you like vickers you should get leo 1 next

[acoustic ginkgo]

yea i like fast and strike tank

but it is too paper

[hard cedar]

every fast tank is paper 🤨

[acoustic ginkgo]

not all
but leo 1 is too paper ngl
wait is that a skill tank ?

[hard cedar]

skill tank meaning you need skill to play it? yes

[acoustic ginkgo]

oh wow
then i must try out leo 1
i have skill for mt/lt

[hard cedar]

good luck

[acoustic ginkgo]

but where should i go ?
ru or inder pz ?

[hard cedar]

ru

[rigid thunder]

What do you prefer? A hull down MT or a light tank with good HE pen

[hard cedar]

nono never recommend indien

[acoustic ginkgo]

F

[rigid thunder]

I personally picked the ru251 and wow I absolutely hate playing it, despite loving mts and lts myself

[hard cedar]

ru has god he and mobility

[acoustic ginkgo]

ru is fun
but paper

[rigid thunder]

maybe it's because I have the M41 90

[hard cedar]

yes thats why

[acoustic ginkgo]

i bought this boi :>
i have good skill on tank like this

[spare solar]

I have the tier IX prot

I dont use it much tho

[hazy ingot]

Somebody can tell me how's the characteristics of TS-5?

[solid gate]

Its crap

Better playing at15a where u can reliably hulldown and use its armor while pushing out the dpm

[undone glade]

I just bought the Tog II
I know it has good armor and Hp to be frontline but slow speed but how should I play it to get an ace out of it

[hard cedar]

at51a hulldown
wheeze

[gentle wasp]

check blitzstars or blitzhangar

[hazy ingot]

I'm already check it, and nothing special out of it except the gun (of course because it's a td)

[onyx sluice]

I would suggest you check armor inspector for how your armor holds up. Other than that it's simple, use your HP pool to take shots and DPM to wear down enemies.

[gentle wasp]

everybody gangster until AT-51a

[hard cedar]

🤧

[undone glade]

I did check the armor on blitzhangar and did a few game in it and it went pretty well
Except for when my team just camp at the back

[sacred trail]

Basically a down-tiered E3 without the 155 mm. If a Mauerbrecher can flank and kill it (which I did) and survive while being tunneled, it ain’t that good.

[gentle wasp]

that's a pretty flawed way of judging a tank

[violet timber]

Oh boy, I killed a tank with this other tank, so the tank must be bad

[sacred trail]

I’ve only seen it once actually

It probably performs better on open hills than urban areas

[violet timber]

It's basically the same logic as trying to base a tank on it's 1v1 potential

[onyx sluice]

This is true for all heavies and unfortunately there isn't anything you can do about bad teams.

[hard cedar]

carry harder that's your solution

[neat nimbus]

Great another reason to play tier 9

Most of the time I get teams that just camp or doesn't push

I have to carry on

[hollow notch]

No gun arc
No fun depression
No mobility
No way to counter aggressive opponents
Armor barely works

But hey, at least the gun is somewhat useful

[gentle wasp]

Well all of that may be true but I’m talking about saying the tank is bad just because you killed it

[violet timber]

At least they aren't throwing in more broken premiums

[neat nimbus]

Is a worth buying crates or should wait until bundles for gold

[hollow notch]

It just drives the pathetic mobility point home

[violet timber]

If you want to spend $100+ on the tank, go ahead and buy the crates.

[hollow notch]

Ya, instead they are handling out garbage

[neat nimbus]

Nevermind I better stay cold on crates

That means don't buy it and knowing how is possible I would get the Tog 2

[hard cedar]

ts-5 gun is good at least

[hollow notch]

But it can't even use it because of the garbage flexibility

[neat nimbus]

Kunze panzer I would say is meh

[violet timber]

Oh I love the kunze

[neat nimbus]

Has good speed but struggles against broken tanks

Kinda wish WG brings the STA-2

[hard cedar]

true
if it had more gun dep it would be fine

[hollow notch]

Yup

[neat nimbus]

Basically is a forgotten tank should come to the game even if is in crates (likely as the other tier 8 premiums)

[violet timber]

I want the M60A2 Starship

[neat nimbus]

Also I don't see point on releasing a new tier 6 in crates but I think I understand the why

[violet timber]

There is no reason any tank should be in crates.

[neat nimbus]

I'm speaking of the captured by French panther (which could be in a event or something else maybe as a clan mission prize)

[hollow notch]

At least it's very nicely detailed

[lyric copper]

bretagne being in crates is a bigger disappointment than myself

[neat nimbus]

And that's the peak of the comedy according to those who thought was a great a idea

[solid gate]

wait the french panther is out?

[hard cedar]

No

[lyric copper]

no, but we know it’s in crates for SOME reason

[neat nimbus]

No yet but don't expect drop easily

[solid gate]

how do you know?

[neat nimbus]

Kinda feel sad for the kids spending tons on gambling

[solid gate]

i cant afford crates anyway so i guess ill never get to use it....

[neat nimbus]

Besides there's always alternatives

Wait until is for gold or be lucky it drops from snow globe

[hard cedar]

What

[solid gate]

i guess ill wait and stockpile gold but i dont expect to get it

[neat nimbus]

Since the turtle mk1 came I felt was OK you're telling me to spend a tons of credits on a tank I likely loose than win instead of buying a better option

[solid gate]

should i buy the emil l?

[ancient iron]

so objectively speaking which is better.... the Obj. 140 or the T62A assuming you can only do one or the other?

[neat nimbus]

Should be great to WG add details to echo tank (such as T34 independence and snowstorm jagdtiger 8.8 cm) like built-in attachments or something can be different from is normal counterpart

[violet timber]

T62A.

[onyx sluice]

Yes.

[neat nimbus]

Like T34 independence having a flag with animation or something like that and snowstorm jagdtiger 8.8 well some grid basket with gift boxes or a search light

[solid gate]

is it good? i havent touched the high teir swedish tanks at all

[violet timber]

Emil 1 is one of the best tier 8 tech tree heavies

[neat nimbus]

Great depression and armor

[solid gate]

but auto reloader....

[violet timber]

*autoloader, and it's still insanely good due to hull down capabilities

[neat nimbus]

Yeah that's what was characterized in wot PC in blitz Emil 2 and kranvgn are auto reloaders

[solid gate]

its not an auto reloader? oh..

[violet timber]

Nope, it's like an AMX 50 100, but with less mobility and more armor

[solid gate]

not sure if ill be able to use it properly iv never used autoloaders much apart from the german teir 5 leopard i mostly play big gun german or Soviet heavys and tds

[neat nimbus]

Bursting damage is great but you gotta be wise

[solid gate]

whats the playstyle like?

[violet timber]

Hulldown burst god

[neat nimbus]

True

Not all autoloaders are that just see the AMX 13

[violet timber]

AMX 13s are all fun to play

[solid gate]

iv never played a single French light ever

[neat nimbus]

Tier 8 is a threat to enemies more if is platoons

[violet timber]

Electric biscuit goat of tier 5

[solid gate]

i like the ARL44 though

[neat nimbus]

Bursting damage and you have a enemy shredded to pieces

[solid gate]

im 1 tank away from the foch

[neat nimbus]

Sadly I wished a heavy armor French but weegee gotta get the bling bling

[neat nimbus]

Unless they come up with a fake tank to fill the gap was left

[tender oar]

Do I buy for 8 pounds? I’d have to get the gold?

[solid gate]

french had decent armour before the smasher showed up i used to frontline in my ARL44 and bdr is still awesome

[violet timber]

Not like they haven't done that before

[tender oar]

?

[solid gate]

90mm gun in teir 5

[hollow notch]

Don't bother getting to whole bundle. Just get the t34 if you want that.

[tender oar]

But it’s only 2,5k more and you get crates plus camos

[neat nimbus]

True but men I was excited to see a new French line well sometimes dreams are broken

[violet timber]

They could add the starship instead

[solid gate]

like frances frontlines in 1940

[hard cedar]

no.

[neat nimbus]

Nein

[tender oar]

What do I get instead

[hard cedar]

the k91 su130pm bundle

[neat nimbus]

Ir wait for Better stuff

I won't get the Lorraine fearless or something that replace it in a future

[ancient iron]

just noticed the new American Heavy line is it worth it to free XP (I have NO XP on my M6 because when I last played I had just gotten the T29)

[fleet karma]

Almost done with that line, on tier 9 and I love the whole line except the M6, I hate it

[solid gate]

i think i hate the game just because of the kv1

[lyric copper]

playing against it or playing in it

[solid gate]

playing in it

[mighty delta]

Its a tier 5, just free xp it

[lyric copper]

thing is they did nerf it

[solid gate]

its slow pretty much no armor normal dmg

[mighty delta]

U need to angle in the kv1 and 200 dmg at tier 5 is quite high, i can only count 4 with 200 or 200+ damage at tier 5

[tacit coral]

Why I can't purchase Is5? Anyone know about this?

[solid gate]

is it the one in the clan thing

[mighty delta]

u need stalin's blessing

[lyric copper]

pretty sure it’s a big

[shell forum]

I read somewhere that IS-5 is bugged and can't be purchased. Dont remember

[mighty delta]

Lol it never was, u need personal access lvl 10 and be in a clan with lvl 10 researched

[solid gate]

i was just about to say that

[lyric copper]

many people are and cannot buy it lol

[solid gate]

i dont know how to angle

[plucky summit]

@mighty delta the KV-1 lost that ability, best you can do is auto-rico

[lyric copper]

turn slightly

[mighty delta]

If anything bugged about the is5 is how it can hit shots 200m away top speed full dispersion but can’t hit a fully aimed 30m shot lol, u need Stalin’s trust to master it

[solid gate]

i do that and i get penetrated by HE

[mighty delta]

are u in a clan with lvl10 researched?

[lyric copper]

average Russian tank:

hit point blank? nyet!

Hit 250m shot while on the move with damaged gun? da tovarish

[mighty delta]

especially the kv2 lol

[mighty delta]

click on the tank

[lyric copper]

meanwhile german tanks: I can’t hit target from 10m away blululululu

[tacit coral]

no buy button

[violet timber]

The IS-5 is currently bugged and cannot be purchased.

[mighty delta]

screenshot?

[mighty delta]

I played it like 2 years ago, it definitely was strong back then, not sure know, but surely can’t be bad with 200 dmg and stalin’s power

[mighty delta]

You mean he splash? That do maximum 50 dmg if u angle correctly

[mighty delta]

That’s interesting, i don’t know why then, sorry can’t be more help

[ancient iron]

is there a point to researching the guns on the SU-152? (engine gets to ISU-152)

[violet timber]

Makes you have to use less xp to get the BL-10 on the ISU

[mighty delta]

the mighty BL10

[tacit coral]

ok, looks like i was expecting too much

[violet timber]

This IS-5 is currently bugged and cannot be purchased.

[mighty delta]

Ammoracked a is7 once in a failed toon with BL10

[solid gate]

no they penetrate my engine and it gets on fire and someone comes from behind and finishes me

[violet timber]

Russian heavies are famous for being bonfires

[mighty delta]

Isn’t the kv1’s engine at the back?

[solid gate]

it is

[violet timber]

Yes, and like all russian heavies, it's highly flammable

[mighty delta]

don't angle with your back facing lol

[solid gate]

i dont

[mighty delta]

how do they he pen when you are angling then?

[violet timber]

Because the KV-1s side plates have been nerfed into oblivion.

[mighty delta]

how thick is it now? it was 75 when i played i think

[violet timber]

57mm, but I think they may be only 37mm behind the track. I could be thinking of a different tank though

[mighty delta]

still shouldn't be he penned tho, unless kv2

[ancient iron]

honestly.... .-. the top 122 on the SU is much more reliable .-.

[violet timber]

No, but AP butters right through

[lyric copper]

but not as fun, plus, the top 122 makes you a clumsier E25

[mighty delta]

that sucks

[violet timber]

Just play the capitalism wagon, or don't play tier 5 at all

[slender cliff]

The massive damage at the tier more than makes up for that. Despite the aimtime being very terrible.

[mighty delta]

don't need to aim, stalin does it for u

[slender cliff]

This^

[solid gate]

i just want the IS and all i got from playing w the kv1 for 7 hours was 9k xp

[mighty delta]

play tier 10s and get enough free xp for it

[solid gate]

dont have tier X

[slender cliff]

The IS when fully upgraded is worth it. The grind will be painful but the result will be rewarding. Also are you going for the is-7?

[mighty delta]

highest tier then

[solid gate]

ye

[mighty delta]

is7 is not as good as it was before

[solid gate]

my highest tier is the worst tank the TIGER P

[mighty delta]

what is it?

[solid gate]

tiger p

[slender cliff]

I would suggest the is-4 line then. Don’t get me wrong the is-7 is a great tank but the is-4 is at a completely different level.

[mighty delta]

its probably the best tier7 heavy lol, not counting smasher and annih

[solid gate]

nah

[slender cliff]

I prefer the tiger 1

[ancient iron]

keep the cupola covered and it's kinda pretty deec

[mighty delta]

only tech tree i prefer over it is t29

[lyric copper]

the VK45.02A is worse

@mighty delta best tier 7 non premium HT is the T29 lol

[ancient iron]

I think the T29 and KV-3 might be a bit better than the P

[mighty delta]

not the kv3 lol

[ancient iron]

I pretty consistently do well in the KV3....

[solid gate]

wich one is the fast easy line

[mighty delta]

tigar p's gun annd armour is amazing

[solid gate]

dud the gun hits for 224 dmg das it

[lyric copper]

there’s a difference between a good player and a good tank

@solid gate IS-7 is less hell to grind without free exp (yellow stars)

[slender cliff]

Imo IS-7 line but the IS-4 line is much more rewarding in the end.

[mighty delta]

it has insane dpm

[plucky summit]

Not insane, but pretty good

[ancient iron]

I have 104K exp on my VK 45.03 .-. idk why

[mighty delta]

if u want dmg grind 183

[slender cliff]

183 is one of the worst performing tanks out there but if you want the memes then go for it.

[solid gate]

what line would u suggest for a bot that has avg dmg of 300

[plucky summit]

You see, the damage of a gun alone doesn’t define how good a gun is

[lyric copper]

WRONG, grind Jpz E100

[mighty delta]

he hated the tigar for low dmg so...

[slender cliff]

Is-7 you have presloped armor and don’t have to angle as much.
I found it easier to grind that line than the is-4 line

[plucky summit]

Pike noses need no angling, but multi-directional flat armor plates do

[solid gate]

great just have to live hell w the kv1

[lyric copper]

@solid gate alpha damage ≠ everything, DPM also matters

[slender cliff]

Understandable

[plucky summit]

Yeah KV-1 is a shame to what it used to be

[slender cliff]

I still can’t stop spamming the 3k dpm on the jag 😄

[plucky summit]

183 has 3k DPM o-o

[solid gate]

fun fact i only understood half of what u said

[ancient iron]

.> actually... more noteworthy since I have converted XP a few times....... I have 105 GAMES in the VK 45.03...... idk why I play it so much .-. it's a bad tank..... I love the long 88 tho but I could just play the twin tigers

[slender cliff]

We don’t talk about that here 👀

[solid gate]

what line should i grind

[mighty delta]

t22 at tier x as the lowest dmg but is the most op tank

[plucky summit]

:3 I mean if you're good with HESH, using CS, that's 3915 DPM

[kindred wren]

Yes, most derp guns have way better dpm than people think

[lyric copper]

what tanks do you like to play

[slender cliff]

Stick to the is-7 line it will help you as a newer player.

[plucky summit]

E100 is a good one too

[solid gate]

literally any tank that would mess ppl up

[mighty delta]

e100 is way too hard to angle for new players

[slender cliff]

^^

[lyric copper]

E100, it trades alpha. They do 400? You do 640

Or you can wait for the Polish HTs

[mighty delta]

183 lol, it does it really well

[kindred wren]

It’s not even that hard, and if you don’t angle it doesn’t really matter much

[plucky summit]

E100 angling doesn't achieve much of an armor cap, at least they can use the braindead armor of Tiger II, the angling perfection of E75, and then the sheer HP of the E100 to dish out 150mm shells

[lyric copper]

hellish line, hellish tank, Jpz E100 line is far superior

[ancient iron]

gotta ask.... is the Super Pershing good or bad?

[mighty delta]

it kinda does

[plucky summit]

He's not wrong about 183 messing people up tho

[slender cliff]

If you are a new player please don’t go for the 183

[lyric copper]

^ at least save your sanity and go for jpz

[plucky summit]

It's a bad heavy, that's all

[kindred wren]

Only if you try hard for good damage/ stats/ whatever. If you are happy with 1.8k damage at tier ten you can go out sideways and do fine

[slender cliff]

Don’t get it. No.no.no

[mighty delta]

lol true

[solid gate]

wut is HT

[ancient iron]

soooo.... should I be proud then that I have a 65% WR in it at 120 games?

[plucky summit]

Yeah, I guess

[lyric copper]

heavy tank, MT is medium tank, LT is light tank, TD is tank destroyer

[slender cliff]

I’m still pissed wg decided to remove rammer rig and high octane for SP on mad games

[manic carbon]

Very mediocre. Tries to act like a heavy and fails.

[plucky summit]

I have a 58% WR over 446 battles in the 183 🤔

[slender cliff]

Playing the at-15 gave me a headache

[solid gate]

i need some training i actually dont know how to play the game

[plucky summit]

If you’re NA, I’d be glad to help you

[mighty delta]

what youtube

[solid gate]

what

[thorny mulch]

Yes try some YouTube

[mighty delta]

watch youtube

[lyric copper]

Know what server you’re on?

[solid gate]

doesnt help im on NA

[lyric copper]

@plucky summit take him under your wing, teach this man to fly

[plucky summit]

Woooooo

[solid gate]

dont think thats a good idea

[mighty delta]

try people like meadsy, pantouf, droodles, fatness, bushka, they have great vids

[lyric copper]

@solid gate

@plucky summit can help you in a training room or in real battles

[thorny mulch]

Beware of droodles opinions 😁

[plucky summit]

Reasons? 🤔

[solid gate]

i got a broken arm i barely play good

[plucky summit]

Oh, well... you kinda need 2 hands on the screen to play quite effectively, for now I can just teach you concepts though

[solid gate]

i have 2 hands its just i have the white strong thing around my arm so i dont have good grip

[plucky summit]

Rip, well, I planned to teach you concepts of the game, then have you practice them :p

[solid gate]

i can play i just crash into every obstacle

[plucky summit]

Alright, Ima take this into DMs so I don't get slapped for posting too many YT vids, because they're critical aspects of the game

[real nacelle]

Does TS-5 has new graphix? It doesn't look as shiny as Yoh tanks

[slender cliff]

It should. All tanks released after update 8.0 should feature new graphics.

[neat nimbus]

men the new grapich wont come to the old lines and premiuns

[lyric copper]

they’ll add it to them slowly, the Vickers light line will be getting them in 8.1

[neat nimbus]

true i assume the kranvng or ho-ri or the tvp 50 are the next

[lyric copper]

they said they’ll do popular lines

[neat nimbus]

i think they did for the vickers as theyre popular but i wonder if the E100 is on the list

[lyric copper]

high likelihood

[hard cedar]

they said post 7.0 models first

[real nacelle]

Yea TS-5 is less shiny. Then i supose it will come later

[hard cedar]

i think it has it

[neat nimbus]

i was dissapointed i couldnt find cool stuff can be added for a future legendary camo for the jagdtiger

one of the things i could find is the long atena and rear mounted machine gun

and thats from scale models

kinda reminds me to the snowstorm jagdtiger

[plucky summit]

That armor in the picture looks so much less angled ._.

[neat nimbus]

weird i dont notice that

[plucky summit]

🤷‍♂️

Maybe given a bit of tilting and whatnot, because the live photo makes it look like it got tilted upwards towards the camera

[neat nimbus]

here's a scale model of what mentioned earlier i just think could be cool see on the jgtiger 8.8 or the tier 9

[plucky summit]

Geez it looks kind of real

[violet timber]

I mean, they could have done that. There's enough room back there to have 2 machine guns going at it while the big gun takes care of the armored targets

[neat nimbus]

here's the scale model with the claw or brush like atena

just hope WG does justice for such tanks deserves a historical camos

maybe two alt camos just like the action x

a hotwheels style camo and a realistic camo

i feel the legendary camo the Löwe has looks empty

[real plover]

no more hot wheels camos

[neat nimbus]

sadly Weegee wants kids buy those and is something i expect all the time

[real plover]

dang trynna rake in as much money as possible. but at least it's not hurting the game so

[neat nimbus]

true in fact is attracting the kids and those people who like the camos (unless theyre 40% players thats a problem)

[errant rapids]

talking about camouflages, this might be considered?

for the cromwell, not the cromwell b

[raven jacinth]

not sure since WoTb dev team doesn't want to do historical camouflages as much..... I'm still waiting for the dev team to add more historical camouflages to nations, and not just only have 2 nation-specific only camos for each climate ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[median tree]

Yes

[hazy ingot]

Can somebody tell me the characteristics of T54e2 shark?

[onyx sluice]

Amazing turret and good upper hull.
Good gun and nice depression.

Play it hull down.

[thorny smelt]

You can press Shift + Enter key so that you don't need for the Slowmode cooldown

[hazy ingot]

Ok tank you

[ancient iron]

so for tankenstein.... is the 130 worth using or nah?

[solid gate]

i finally did it i got the kv1s

[plucky summit]

Use it, if you use the 105mm you’re just a worse T29

[ancient iron]

but if I use the 130 I am just a t7 with the 100Y's gun... complete with the inability to pen t8 tanks

[plucky summit]

You don’t need the pen, worst you’ll get is vs a Tiger II

Standard pen is great for a tier 7, prammo pen is ofc worse because of the damage, but still standard for tier 7

Also you shouldn’t try to fight tier 8 heavies that much

@ancient iron yeah the pen is nothing to worry about, you can still drill the weakspots of enemy heavies, best they can pull is a sidescrape, where T-2020, Obj. 252U, and Chrysler K will prevail, as well as probably Action X

[strange thicket]

Except that you don't even have the accuracy to hit those weak spots.

[ancient iron]

tried it both ways.... both losses (turns out solo-ing vs 4 meds in a slow heavy with poor gun handling and a slow reload doesn't work so good..... at least when they employ the ultimate cheat that is teamwork.... 😛 )

[plucky summit]

The accuracy is fine, load up the equipment and it works. The weakspots are generally broad anyways

I'm not gonna ask why you fought 4 meds with a heavy, alone apparently

[ancient iron]

rest of the team tried to solo an entrenched position

[kindred wren]

If you play the 130mm you should rather treat it like a KV-2 than a Tiger (P) if you ask me. Your task is to get yourself into positions where you can use your gun, and not to fight enemy heavies frontally

[ancient iron]

I was too slow to support....

[plucky summit]

I use it like a M-VI-Yoh, I shoot, I hide, I reload

Tankenstein gets a niche with 460/530 alpha, it gets to trade against tier 8 heavies.

Of course not the Smasher because we all know what Smasher is

[strange thicket]

Yeah, it totally is not.

[plucky summit]

I get that it has the same dispersion as KV-2, it just takes aiming, at least it aims faster

Oh and in 8.1 it looks, if the enemy doesn't know your track weakspot, you can sidescrape normally

[gentle wasp]

It’s more accurate than the least accurate tank in the game. The fact that this is even a comparison should tell you something.

[plucky summit]

Sorry for being able to make a damn KV-2 work

[kindred wren]

It tells me that there is always a bigger fish

[gentle wasp]

You making it work doesn’t make the accuracy any less dreadful

[plucky summit]

I do only get 3-4 shots as a pen on average... but hey, if you wanna become a worse T29
go ahead

[kindred wren]

goes right ahead

[gentle wasp]

I’m not saying that at all. My two cents is that the tank is crap either way, but if you run the 130 you’re at least uniquely crap.

[plucky summit]

Pretend that the 105mm doesn't have .380 dispersion ;)

[gentle wasp]

Well you can make the Kv2 work so you should have no problem ;)

[plucky summit]

Same aim time as IS-7, same dispersion as KV-2, but it gets so much of a bonus for being a 130mm APSH

4AM vibes making me cranky, especially when protecting my baby Tankenstein

[kindred wren]

May I interest you in an ISU-130?

[plucky summit]

It almost feels like a Kpz argument, you get the alpha but complain about all else

[gentle wasp]

5am makes me more argumentative than I already am so I completely understand
The tankenstein has nothing anyway so might as well sell out for something

[kindred wren]

In such discussions one should remember that alpha is the single most important stat in the game. The 183 alone proves that

[plucky summit]

Yes, if you can make shots count, you can do great things, especially when you don't have to hide after you shoot and can tank a few more shots ;)

[plucky summit]

Tier 8 TD >:(

[kindred wren]

Fun fact, the AMX M4 mle. 54 is the only tank with a 130mm premium AP round that doesn’t do increased damage

[plucky summit]

And that's why I love it

[kindred wren]

You love that tank as well?

[plucky summit]

Yes, the armor is versatile and the extra slab of damage makes it oh so satisfying to hit things with

[kindred wren]

I’ll be honest, I don’t have both those tanks but I can relate why one would like them (I think I’d enjoy them too), but that doesn’t make the opinion any more popular 😉

[strange thicket]

I would say the kpz does better tier to tier.
Still, the Tankenstein is too crap to justify the alpha.
But as long as you have fun, it is okay.

[kindred wren]

Especially poor AMX M4 mle. 54 got a lot of hate for not being the op rofl-stomper everyone expected but actually… 😱 …balanced?!

[plucky summit]

I can manage 1800 average in Tankenstein =(
The brutish HP and armor that gives you a certain number of bounces, combined with the trading ability, makes it oddly useful

But hey, I suppose I'm biased because I love focusing on damage and blocking damage 😤

[rigid thunder]

you can probably do better in many other tier 7 hts, the tankentrash is just as flexible as a rock, and that makes it pretty bad

[true delta]

Pffft, no with the T57 Heavy, the Progetto 65 and the T110E5 I have +2.4k dmg and +60% wins

[plucky summit]

Whatever, I'll go and enjoy the 100mm sides Tanken's about to get

[strange thicket]

The armor works if the shooter is blindfolded lmao

[kindred wren]

That’s actually the beauty of such tanks, the fit a particular playstyle and if the player and the tank match well something great happens throws glitter for dramatic effect

[plucky summit]

And yet I make 183 work too

Throw the mediums and lights in the trash, call me a specialist

[kindred wren]

Two of those compensate ok alpha with a clip and the last is just everything you could ask for in one tank and a tryharder’s favourite

[plucky summit]

I get that it would be hard to get to the skill ceiling of Tankenstein

[rigid thunder]

except gun handling

[true delta]

That. And the awful camo. And the gun arc.

[rigid thunder]

it's still a very strong ht though, one of the best at tier 10

[plucky summit]

Who cares if I get spotted? I'll be behind a rock counting to 11

[kindred wren]

We talk about the T110E5 👀

[true delta]

What the 😂
in a 1v1 the E5 smokes the 183

[rigid thunder]

oh he wasn't talking about the E5?
And how did it go to T110E5 vs 183...

[plucky summit]

I even make the T-2020 work, maybe you really should stop listening to my completely favored tank class

Really, I do more avg dmg with a Tankenstein than with a Black Prince

[true delta]

The E5 and the T57 heavy have the two most accurate guns mounted on a heavy tank at tier X (as far as I know)

[plucky summit]

AMX 50 B: Hi

[rigid thunder]

T57 has good dispersion and aim time, but bad bloom
E5 has decent dispersion, ok aim time, and bad bloom

[kindred wren]

VaraNops was saying alpha isn’t king because he does well in three tanks,

I said that two of them practically have high alpha due to their clip and one has everything you need,

bad username responded that the T110E5’s gunhandling isn’t great,

VaraNops then says “That. And the awful camo. And the gun arc.” referring to the 183,

so I told Vara that we talk about the E5

[strange thicket]

The bloom kinda flips you off
But the aim time is nice.
Although trying t57's gun after using the 50b's for so long is like heaven

[plucky summit]

Interesting.

[true delta]

yup my bad

[rigid thunder]

It's how dispersion is calculated, the 50b is much faster and turns quicker, meaning the bloom seems worse than the 57, which is much slower

Don't forget, dispersion isn't calculated as a flat, additive value

[plucky summit]

Yeah, just turn your turret slowly 🤪

[strange thicket]

Oh, well i guess it is the 50b just being speedy

[plucky summit]

See? Isn't being slow just a wonderful thing? Know why I love the Lowe? The Tankenstein?

[true delta]

At some point it's faster to turn then aim than to turn slow and keep the small circle

[kindred wren]

“I’m gonna do what’s called a pro-game move”

[rigid thunder]

the lowe turns pretty quick for having such a disgusting hp/t ratio though

[plucky summit]

I'm talking accuracy

[kindred wren]

Though when peeking it actually pays to drive out slowly if you drive a tank like the 183 or the KV-2. If you stay below 5 kph there will be practically no bloom

[plucky summit]

Now why don't we forget the Lowe exists so you don't get me into a simp-rant

[rigid thunder]

don't worry I simp for the lowe too you're not alone

[kindred wren]

You’re tempting me… 👀

[true delta]

🥵

[plucky summit]

Who needs speed when I can just slaughter any heavy I come across? 😵‍💫

[true delta]

Doesn't the frontal armour of the Löwe sucks on the mid plate? I always pen there

[plucky summit]

Give me anti-crossfire terrain/buildings, something to cover my lower hull, and a fool to try to pen me 😍

[rigid thunder]

150-182mm effective thickness on the flat ground is pretty ok

[true delta]

Does it side-scrape?

ok nice

[plucky summit]

It does get penetrated, but it's not that hard to hide

It can sidescrape violently

[rigid thunder]

you can sidescrape in a lowe yes, though more often than not you're looking to go hull down

[plucky summit]

But the real deal is this, you can't contain your excitement when you get Himmelsdorf

Move that turret, snap back a shot with perfecto accuracy, it's a force to be reckoned with

[kindred wren]

(The turret looks weaker than it is)

[plucky summit]

Maybe even dance and scoot your hull up and down with the hill 🥵

[true delta]

Honestly, when I see this, I just don't bother. I chance a shot to scare off the Löwe then I change location to engage the softer targets, then the Löwe moves and becomes exposed

[kindred wren]

Smart play

[plucky summit]

You're one of the rarer tier 8 players then, because I farm my enemies all day as they try to pen me

Turns out having a hard-to-hit weakspot is better than having none

For Lowe they have to choose what weakspot they have to hopelessly try to hit 😍

[true delta]

Yes, people they will keep shooting in hope of a pen, but their dpm goes down to zero

[plucky summit]

Lowe diligently makes its shots count, and bounces many shells when used correctly

That is how I play, it was built for me

[kindred wren]

That last sentence. I’ve been trying to argue that for ages

[true delta]

I guess it's a very good point

[plucky summit]

Kranvagn is good in that aspect because they lob shots at the tiny cupolas

[kindred wren]

The master of hard-to-hit weakspots is the VK 72.01 (K) if played correctly

It’s what makes the tank the best German superheavy in my opinion

[true delta]

Until 60TP 😏

[kindred wren]

Yeah, the 60TP can mix up the field of superheavies quite a bit. It all depends on how strong the hull gets

[plucky summit]

Wow thanks lag

[ancient iron]

think we'll ever get the IS-3A? or would that not be good in Blitz

[plucky summit]

I mean isn't it an IS-3 with a turret weakspot in trade for hull plates?

[true delta]

It'd be the same as the Defender version, no?

[plucky summit]

For some ungodly reason armor inspector says IS-3A has 4,129 DPM

[kindred wren]

IS-3A has an autoreloader that functions similarly to those in Blitz, your shell reloads the fastest when your clip is empty

[plucky summit]

Geez, welp, anyways time to sleep because 4:34 AM

[kindred wren]

Good night

[plucky summit]

Don't even, it might as well be good morning

But fine, good night

[kindred wren]

Ok, he’s gone, time to trashtalk the Tankenstein 👀

[ancient iron]

it seems very bad....

[plucky summit]

Well I'm considerate, and waited for you to complete your message before going off

Unfortunate for you.

[kindred wren]

Please forgive me 👀

[ancient iron]

it looks cool tho... credit to it for looking cool....

[plucky summit]

I knew your standpoint anyways, I will live in my perfect world where I clap enemies in my Tankenstein, T-2020, and Mauses in Pz. 38H

[ancient iron]

that said.... in terms of combat.....

VK 45.03 > Tankenstein

[plucky summit]

Maybe in 8.1, but not now >:(

[kindred wren]

Nah, I don’t actually hate the Tankenstein 😄 To each their own, just wanted to troll you a bit before you go to bed

[plucky summit]

😭

I’m incapable of getting off unless there’s no typing, I am a curious learner.

[ancient iron]

idk.... I think 2382 DPM and okay mobility trumps low mobility and either 1719 DPM (105mm) or 1569 DPM (130mm)

[thick trout]

With the tankenstein you can bounce things and have alpha to scare people off instead of being paper and a very meh gun
I'm not saying the tankenstein is good by any means but it does have some slightly useful aspects, the vk45 just doesn't...

[hazy ingot]

T54E2, ACTION X or OBJ 252U?

[kindred wren]

All I see is:

“Boring, unsatisfying or lazy?”

[hard cedar]

Got automodded man
Get prog 46

[onyx sluice]

Can anyone teach me how to angle the Mauschens turret?
Can you even angle the turret?

[kindred wren]

The Mäuschen turret can be angled a bit but it doesn’t help much. The sides are too weak and also slightly facing towards the front which means that you can barely angle it

[onyx sluice]

Getting penned straight through the turret is not fun, you can do eeverything right (hide the lower plate and cupola) but still isn't enough.

[kindred wren]

You can still try to wiggle and slightly angle to present less of your turret face

You can also turn your turret outwards when sidescraping, so instead of presenting the steeply angled side of the turret you can present the steeply angled turret front

[onyx sluice]

Will give those a try, TY.

[kindred wren]

That’s the kind of angling I’d use

As you can see the first is not ideal because you can still hit a bit of the turret front, so I’d drive a bit further into cover

The difference between the first and the second picture is just the turret angle (it looks different because of my glorious cropping skills)

[onyx sluice]

The first seems fine but the second will still get penned, I still don't have a 100% crew so it takes longer to aim.

[kindred wren]

The second is only for shooting

It shows the least exposed shooting position and the first shows how it looks when you only angle your turret when in that shooting position

[onyx sluice]

Got it.

[spare solar]

The map with the wood in the middle of great i dont remember the name

It has a wooden building like its for amish people or something

[half seal]

when 60tp lauch

launch

[lyric oriole]

Nobody knows, it's probably gonna be tested first

[half seal]

gun 152 mm or 122 mm

[sacred trail]

I haven’t experienced the Polish heavies from PC, so what is the 60TP about? Heard it’s something like the E 100, but is it?

[thorny smelt]

Probably a 152 mm with the alpha of 640. We don't know yet unless you have played the PC version.

[hollow notch]

It's a low profile e100 with a functional turret

[sacred trail]

So it’s kinda like the turret of a Russian heavy with a 152 mm gun?

[hollow notch]

Except add gun depression

Its probably gonna get large armor nerfs for blitz

[thorny smelt]

The tier 7 45TP Habicha has 105 mm gun, tier 8 53TP will be 122 mm, tier 9 50TP will be 130 mm, and 60TP 152 mm

[hollow notch]

This+big boi alpha

[sacred trail]

That’s a big boi. Not even a (presumably) Russian heavy can pen it with HEAT

[thorny smelt]

It has good armor. Surely this would be the next one that most of us will grind to get that tank.

[fast compass]

Well yes, 60tp is quite commonly demanded tank

[hollow notch]

I seriously doubt that blitz will introduce it with this much armor. Alternatively it could easily get smacked in the gun depression or alpha department

[lyric oriole]

Until we leave this heavy meta don't think that

[hollow notch]

If they try and introduce it like it is on pc it's just gonna be a better is4

I highly doubt weegee balancing is that insane, unless they plan on breaking tier 10

[lyric oriole]

Remember pre nerf yoh in test?

It's gonna be rough for pubbies I can already tell

[hollow notch]

Hmmmm

[sacred trail]

I’m still stuck on the M-V-Yoh and probably might get it next if not the E 100 or Jageroo

[lyric oriole]

Something is telling me this, all speculation, but nevertheless this:

It's gonna have doodoo traverse like 113 but be nearly as fast with an estimated reload minimum time of 15.5 seconds, and above average accuracy and pen

[sacred trail]

Did they ever say anything about when they’re gonna add the EU/British crew voices yet?

[hollow notch]

If they want to try and balance it out its gonna be a slug

[lyric oriole]

I think the last time they said that was like 2 years ago and a long way out

[thorny smelt]

Did you try enable the local crew voice or whatever it is in the settings?

[sacred trail]

Those voices when turned on with national voices just defaults back to America’s commander voiceover

[thorny smelt]

The max speed is 35 kmph so it is still a slow-moving tank

[hollow notch]

The 60tp basically symbolizes what a heavy tank is though. Hard hitting, large, and heavily armored

[lyric oriole]

that's fast for blitz

maps are tiny

[hollow notch]

Imma have to disagree

[real plover]

I’ve experienced the 60TP on the Xbox server and honestly, unless you’re a TD with really good prammo, just try and flank it to deal damage. 60TP has way too much armor on Xbox. It’s quite literally like the IS-8 on steroids

[lyric oriole]

considering its E 100 new game +

actually useful armor

[real plover]

Slow is like 15 km/h

[hollow notch]

It's still not gonna be speedy at all

[lyric oriole]

my point is, I bet the P/w ratio is gonna be souped up

[hollow notch]

Just watch weegee give it crack consumables

[lyric oriole]

btw

[real plover]

Uh oh looks like the meth is kicking in proceeds to YOLO

[lyric oriole]

when are other tanks gonna get the autoloader consumable

[half seal]

me player pc version

[lyric oriole]

would be nice to see it on T28 defender

[hollow notch]

Ikr, that's the only one I'm actually ok with

[real plover]

Autoloader consumable?

[half seal]

why smasher not buff

[hollow notch]

How have they not given it to the bat yet

[lyric oriole]

oh wait, they'll give it to K-91, duh

[thorny smelt]

It's already deadly on its own right. There's no need to buff.

[lyric oriole]

K-91 so bad with long intraclip

-bad player

[thorny smelt]

I think K-91 is quite balanced

[half seal]

how isu 152 have a clip hmmm

[real plover]

Intraclip is 3.5 which is decently long but short enough to dump shells into heavies and TDs

[lyric oriole]

@real plover

[half seal]

and when isu not have clip

[lyric oriole]

it's ridiculously stong @thorny smelt

[real plover]

That’s actually gonna be very helpful once I’m actually able to buy the Fv4005. Is that consumable even in the game though?

[hollow notch]

Yup, only on the 4k5

[lyric oriole]

yes, and it's not that helpful on FV4005

[real plover]

I’ve never seen anyone use that consumable. Or maybe it’s because I never see any Fv4005s

[thorny smelt]

Oh I need that consumable for my AMX 50 100

[hollow notch]

What.
It cuts down the exposure time significantly

[real plover]

So is the 4005 the only tank with that consumable?

[lyric oriole]

Nah, accuracy and mobility for me

yes

[hollow notch]

Double repair and clip for me

[real plover]

With that consumable the intra-clip for the 4005 becomes 1.75 holy crap

[lyric oriole]

2.1

[real plover]

Oh, close enough. I thought it was 2.5 normal intra-clip

[lyric oriole]

intra is 3, multiply 3 * .7

[hollow notch]

I rely purely on close range hp trading
Works beautifully with a giant hp clip

[real plover]

But that consumable will seriously help with dumping shells out onto things like a vickers or Sheridan

[lyric oriole]

it can

its really about personal preference

if the duration was for 2 clips I would use it

but 15 seconds forces me to be rash

[real plover]

There’s an equipment that extends consumable duration by 20%

[lyric oriole]

cool, 18 seconds

[real plover]

For me it’s 20 seconds

[lyric oriole]

and then I wait an additional 10 for it to come back

thats for accuracy consumables at base

the accuracy consumable is the only one that lasts longer than the others

[hollow notch]

Accuracy? Nah, yeet shells

[real plover]

Should I go for the T57 heavy or the Foch first? I have the VK 45 B maxed and the mauschen maxed, I just need to buy the Ho-Ri T. II.

And I’m gonna go through the bulldog to get to the T57. I might just free xp through the AC 46

[lyric oriole]

The accuracy consumable also reloads faster than any consumable in the game

Which is another major plus

[real plover]

Geez that’s strong.

[lyric oriole]

AC 46 is better than AC 48

just gonna warn you

[hollow notch]

No

[lyric oriole]

yes

[real plover]

I’ve heard that AC 46 is terrible. And the AC 48 is a breath of fresh air

[hard cedar]

ac 46 has no armor

[lyric oriole]

2375 max DPM with crap armor, terrible camo, and god awful accuracy makes 48 taking a deep breath of a steaming pile of you know what

[hollow notch]

Ac46 is just a bad jpan or t25at

[lyric oriole]

AC 46 has more DPM than AC 48 even if you equip the same gun

[real plover]

The AC 48 looks like a fun tank to play. Maybe similar to the T28 but speedy with less armor

[hollow notch]

The 48 is fun to yolo at meds with

[lyric oriole]

just use SU-101 if you are gonna do that

[hard cedar]

su 101 armor isn't as good as the 48

[real plover]

And what about the Tier 9 Foch?

[hollow notch]

Uhhhhh

50% more gun depression

[lyric oriole]

its better actually, you don't have massive cupolas

[real plover]

And mobility out the butt

[hard cedar]

don't need cupolas when your whole hull except the gun area is a weakspot

[real plover]

SU-101 is covered in troll armor

[hollow notch]

Sticking the front of the 48 around a corner works better that somehow getting 0 gun depression and a rear mount to work

[real plover]

So the Tier 9 Foch is the AC 48 on steroids I’m assuming

[lyric oriole]

AC 48 is not worth anyone's time

You lose view range and camo

In fact the camo rating is one of the worst

[void latch]

does panzer 4 g have side plates over track?

[lyric oriole]

no

[void latch]

k,

[onyx sluice]

A 30% boost to each shell? It would make autoreloaders absolutely broken.

[left acorn]

Yours and Positive’s opinions on the 46 and 48 are the complete opposite lol

[hollow notch]

The thing with the foch is that nobody actually shoots prammo at you. They all shoot ap and it gets a ton of bounces because of that

[lyric oriole]

that's 2 shells

[real plover]

Noice

[lyric oriole]

2 shell boost isn't that much

[hollow notch]

T57 gun vs amx gun...

[real plover]

But why though

[lyric oriole]

when did I say give it to everything

[hollow notch]

The difference between them is the same as give the amx the consumable

[lyric oriole]

you wouldn't give it to either of them

because then you just have better FV4005s

and 50 B already is kinda

[hollow notch]

The 57 sacrifices a lot to get a slightly faster dump. The consumable gives a faster dump. I would kill to have the consumable on all my autoloaders

[real plover]

Almost every single AMX 50 100 that I see on the battlefield is either brain dead or a bot

[surreal blade]

Idk why. Even I don't waste my prammo on it thinking I can pen it with Ap and then bounce the entire clip 😑

[surreal blade]

What can I say. I normally find them in the enemy team and love he ing their sides and booty

[real plover]

When I encounter a Foch, I can pen it easily because BL-10 go brrr

[lyric oriole]

I want a clip on AC 46, AC 48, and Foch

[surreal blade]

Not every tank has the Blyat 10

[hollow notch]

Nah. Gib foch at15 reload

[fast compass]

Foch b when

[real plover]

Don’t those tanks have clips on the Xbox and PC version? I remember seeing an AC 48 obliterate an RHM with a single clip

[surreal blade]

Yeah right. To make em op

[hollow notch]

Foch155 stock gun unnerf when

[lyric oriole]

as if tank destroyers are anywhere near op in the heavy meta

[lyric oriole]

still dreaming I want full alpha back on that stock gun so I can enjoy the tank

[surreal blade]

Yep. Td r not competitive nowadays. The reason I've stopped grind or playing em

[hollow notch]

@lyric oriole why do you have a Christmas hat on your pfp

[real plover]

Why does everyone like the heavy meta though? I don’t get it. What’s so good about the heavy tanks aside from armor that can be penned by prammo?

[hard cedar]

whyd stock gun get nerfed it doesnt seem that good

[lyric oriole]

because, santa never stops working

[surreal blade]

I hate heavies. Their boring. Just go to a hill or flat ground, eat damage and shoot back. What's fun in that?

[lyric oriole]

I'll take it off come december

[real plover]

Literally the Maus line in a nutshell

[hollow notch]

Absolutely stomping on noobs is funny

[surreal blade]

Lights and mediums r real fun

[surreal blade]

Yea lol 😂

[left acorn]

My personal faves are the e50m and the 121

[lyric oriole]

the best part about the heavy buffs, is they also nerfed the ones not overperforming like 110

[real plover]

My are the FV4202 and the Leo 1

[lyric oriole]

I never see 110s in battle

[left acorn]

Hesh and wicked accuracy is fun

[surreal blade]

I'm grinding mediums. Heavies r easier to grind and help in learning the game so I grinded them first. Now I've started the more Fun and challenging lines. Leo1, e50m.....

[hollow notch]

The 110 really isn't bad

[lyric oriole]

it kinda is now

they nerfed the mobility with the HP buff

[real plover]

Getting attacked by a WZ-110 as a stock centurion 7/1 is not fun

[lyric oriole]

its painfully slow

[surreal blade]

What is in the 110 that isn't in 252u or is3

[hollow notch]

It has a gun that actually hits things

[lyric oriole]

that's nice, sure

[hard cedar]

doesnt it also have dpm

[lyric oriole]

no

[surreal blade]

You got a point 😂😂😂

[hollow notch]

And the turret doesn't get buttered by prammo like the tiger

And the pike actually works

[left acorn]

What do you guys think of the upcoming tier 8 polish heavy, the 53tp (at least it’s tier 8 in wotpc) it looks pretty similar to the wz112-2

[surreal blade]

Is3 and 252 have stronk turrets

[lyric oriole]

and it doesn't have gun depression like the ti- oh wait that's bad with how slow it is

[tender oar]

Got me some new tanks

[lyric oriole]

110 is less accurate than tiger 2

by a significant amount

[surreal blade]

110 is overshadowed by tiger, is3, 252

[left acorn]

The hull is more like the hull of a 252u but less armored

[hollow notch]

The tiger is a laser though

[tender oar]

Forgot about the cool down lol

[hard cedar]

shoulda gotten the su 130 pm

[lyric oriole]

Laser or not, 110 isn't a feasible tank even in pubs

[tender oar]

Nah

[tepid geyser]

wut

[hollow notch]

It's no shark (lol) sure, but it works reasonably well

[hard cedar]

any tank is feasible in pubs

[lyric oriole]

Panther 8.8 is also reasonable

[tender oar]

More expensive lol also 1 more tank

[lyric oriole]

Reasonable doesn't mean good

[hard cedar]

but the 130 is a better tank and more fun !

[hollow notch]

Pan88 is better than most 90mm meds

[surreal blade]

Nice nickname for it 😅

[tender oar]

I’m enjoying these tanks . Not quite sure how to play the htc tho

[hollow notch]

Epic balenz

[hard cedar]

since when did wg know how to balance

[surreal blade]

Hahaha shark is better in literally every single way

[hard cedar]

looks at the red

[surreal blade]

That's a very minor thing

[hollow notch]

I dunno man, the turret ring makes the shark completely irrelevant

[surreal blade]

Well I've never played a shark but I've fought many and its much much harder to fight than a 110

[tender oar]

How to play the t28 htc?

[onyx sluice]

Use gun arc to angle the tank, peak around corners to hide the large weak points on the side.

[spare solar]

How to report toxic people i dont see an reporting button

On the game

[manic carbon]

Making a ticket to player support is the most effective way -

https://eu.wargaming.net/support/en/products/wotb/help/

@spare solar

[spare solar]

Thx

[manic carbon]

I don’t find it that fun to use.
Only likeable thing is the intraclip, but the penetration isn’t that great, nor is the dispersion.
It also is pretty sluggish, but doesn’t get a good armour profile.
Also, a combination of 6 degrees of gun depression and only 9 degrees of gun elevation is never fun

[midnight holly]

imagine this tank being added to wot blitz lol

[past crane]

Just get the Skoda T-25. Better in almost every way and it’s free.

[wheat flower]

Omg
Im getting at7 vibes( gun on the side)

[spare solar]

What is this

After rage quitting about two matches of dying fast and lost both i just got on yt

Seriously tho how the hell can i use this thing i wanna join the sweaty tryhards

[tender oar]

Fv301 or centurion 1

[hard cedar]

don't frontline in it you have no armor

[spare solar]

The maps i got on was small which lately i havent had a large map yet

[hard cedar]

all maps are the same size

[spare solar]

Then i suck heavily not being near the frontline

[hard cedar]

well if you're really struggling you could just take a generic sniping position

[spare solar]

Tried those on the two maps

I got swarmed by lights and mediums as my team ignored them

[hard cedar]

you have to move with your team, if you see meds flanking and you have no support rotate to where your team is

[spare solar]

My t28 lasted longer

Or was it 29

Which ever is the American td

[hard cedar]

bc it has armor

[spare solar]

I will try still slightly annoyed for even trying and spent my coins just to die😂

Also i cant move away if their faster than me btw

[hard cedar]

nashorn is relatively fast so it can work

[sacred trail]

Nashorn has no upper armor. It’ll get HE’d in seconds

[spare solar]

Bull

Died every match from the whole team spreading out,near the flat end if all maps

My smasher got an great map for sniping but not the nash

Yea im keeping the tank i wont be surprised it collect dust like my yoh

My m60 has better luck

[hard cedar]

uh you shouldn't be sniping in a smasher

[spare solar]

I didnt the map was great tho

[hard cedar]

what makes the map good for camping in a heavy but not a td

[spare solar]

I didn't camp in the smasher i should have tho

[hard cedar]

no never

[spare solar]

Im saying with the nash i got horrible maps and died instantly

With the smasher i got an great map not once i said i sniped in it the accuracy is too trashy

[hard cedar]

most maps have some good td positions

[spare solar]

If i wanted to snipe in a heavy i would do e100

[hard cedar]

himmelsdorf is the only map i can think of rn that isn't any good for tds

[spare solar]

The map my smasher got was rock field

[hard cedar]

rockfield is meh for tds

[spare solar]

I like it due to using su type of tanks

[lyric copper]

say sike right now

[spare solar]

No

It cant brawl head on like my vk168 and vk tanks

And no i dont hide with td

[lyric copper]

aight that’s it I’m delaying any of your orders/pizza/food

[spare solar]

Ok i will stop and just sell my 100

[lyric copper]

aight you get one pizza slice

[spare solar]

Got an accidental bounce on it and my screenshot took too long

[obsidian maple]

P43,06 anne has no suspension

[royal willow]

i send a ticket to get my premium tank back

[lyric pond]

Can someone explain this to me lol

[violet timber]

It's spaced armor

[void latch]

what is the thing u r using to measure armour btw

[violet timber]

VK100.01

[lyric pond]

Ah

[void latch]

re read message

[lyric pond]

Look up Armour Inspector on the App Store

[void latch]

k

[royal willow]

i have vk use normal AP

[lyric pond]

Ik, it’s spaced armour
BL10 can easily pen hull

[royal willow]

T49 can slap it all body

[violet timber]

Not the back, due to spaced armor

[plucky summit]

Purple is spaced, deal with it

40mm plate behind it tho so if you get the VK upskirt

[hazy ingot]

Action X or Shark?

[plucky summit]

Shark

[violet timber]

The T54E2 Action X

[gusty totem]

Is 50 B will be buffed?

[earnest hound]

yeah

[plucky summit]

You are positive that it's getting that turret armor?

[earnest hound]

i think 50b dont need any buff

[hard cedar]

no

[earnest hound]

better turret armor

[hard cedar]

Read the top

[earnest hound]

u mean this?

[hard cedar]

Huh did they get rid of the old message

Well it used to say that the models were bugged at the top of the page

[violet timber]

It’s still there

[hard cedar]

@earnest hound ^

[earnest hound]

oh, ok thanks bois

[candid lark]

ok so i just bought the 268

and how should i play it?

[plucky summit]

Honestly play it like a further transition from ISU to Obj. 704

You're again tankier with more HP and armor that can work troll bounces, but you get a very overkill gun

[candid lark]

oh ok

[neat nimbus]

i think wg could add the swedish mediums

[real plover]

No. Just, no.

[neat nimbus]

just me of the skoda t25 is a superior version of its german counterpart

[plucky summit]

It’s almost like it’s a tier higher, and that T-25 is the most bland tank ever

[forest wadi]

How can i Protect the lower plate on the t54e2 shark, because thats all i have to worry about?

[arctic gate]

play it hull down lol

[mighty tinsel]

You guys got any tips on how to play the K91 and SU130PM?

Please ping me if you have an answer.

[real plover]

For the K-91, attempt to angle the armor as much as possible. Like any Russian tank, it’s side armor is stupidly troll especially when angled

[ancient iron]

can't tell if the Yoh line is absolute trash or RNG just freaking hates me....

[rigid thunder]

rng probably hates you, the yoh line is pretty good

[ancient iron]

I've had like 5 games in the t7 and not landed a single shot despite being will aimed....

[rigid thunder]

that's just bad rng, the dispersion of the tier 7 isn't that trash

[ancient iron]

add another to it.... this time I at least got tracking damage.... 😄 I'm just selling this crapfest tank

[plucky summit]

The tier 10 is def worth it

[ancient iron]

It will take me 40 years to get the t8 with how impossible the gun is being

[spare solar]

Kinda respect the people who spam rhm tanks etc i can't even play the nash without wanting to rage quite 😅

[plucky summit]

I mean it's not that hard to get past a tier 6

[spare solar]

My lose rate is higher than my win rate which i only have 1 win out of seven matches

[plucky summit]

You stock?

[spare solar]

Nope was not anymore and im still dying fast

[plucky summit]

I mean that's a given for a paper tank

[spare solar]

Trying to use it but its hard only paper tank i mastered is the French light

[forest wadi]

:(
Tog has been defeated

[spare solar]

By who

[forest wadi]

Idk
Tog has not been defeated

[flint basalt]

Tog is quite trash

I can ammorack it easily

[real nacelle]

So when i check my jagaroo pen it says 399 in here... but as soon as i check the tank stats it says 418.. which is it? 😮

[plucky summit]

You’re using Calibrated Shells, the ammunition tab doesn’t change the information for you

[rigid thunder]

that shell statistic shows the possible pen values ur shell can have due to +/-5% rng, and CS doesn't factor into that

[real nacelle]

There are only few tanks in the game that have this discrepancy. It's not common. Check it yourself

[plucky summit]

The ammunition tab changes for other tanks when they switch from rammer or CS?

When you’re using rammer, the ammo tab is accurate

[real nacelle]

Shell stats always account for calibrated shells, thats the max stat

[rigid thunder]

the shell selection menu stats do not account for cs, period.
jpze100 heat has 380 heat pen, CS boosts it to 418. The pen values shown in the shell selector indicate the RANGE of values ur pen can take due to +/-5% rng, which is 380/100x95 or 380/100x105

[real nacelle]

ok i'll give you another example

[plucky summit]

👀

[real nacelle]

In this case as in most cases pen stats are the same

[plucky summit]

Send da info screen too :p

[real nacelle]

Pen stats with calibrated shells are still the same.. no bs percentage shit you're talking about.. it's all in here 😛

[rigid thunder]

HAHAHA comparing apcr and heat...this guy....

[real nacelle]

there are only few tanks that have this

[plucky summit]

You do understand that the ammunition tab is wrong still?

It’s 418mm

[real nacelle]

i'm talking about stats.. which is it? 399 or 418 on jagaroo

[rigid thunder]

......it's so obvious at this point it's not even funny

[real nacelle]

i'm comparing the stats not types.. shit son..

[ancient iron]

Now that I have calmed down a bit.... (Genuinely still annoyed by 0 damaging shots in 6 games in the t7 Yoh) can the others in the line hit the broad side of a barn or am I gonna have acc issues on all of them?

[plucky summit]

@real nacelle the ammunition tab is only correct when you’re not using CS

[real nacelle]

tnx.. it does match on most other tanks tho..

[plucky summit]

Use gun rammer and watch the stats not change

[real nacelle]

as i always use calibrated shells and i always have payed attention to it, it always matches

[plucky summit]

But it isn't matching, that was your issue in the first place

[real nacelle]

yea only on this tank lol

[rigid thunder]

you're telling me apcr and heat receive the same pen buff from cs? Because apcr gets a +5% buff, while heat receives +10%. The values from the tank stat panel match the shell selection because the buff is only +5%. This lines up just perfectly with shell pen RNG, which is 5%.

[ancient iron]

O.o why always cal shells? That just seems like a bad choice on many tanks

[real nacelle]

no i'm saying stats don't match on this tank 😛 wtf..

[rigid thunder]

oh my lord sorry my brain ok bye

[real nacelle]

i have cal shells on other tanks and stats do match every time 😛

[ancient iron]

Check another with HEAT

[plucky summit]

Listen, this is how the game boils it down

The ammunition screen shows the penetration values ranging a 5% offset from the average value, which means if you use CS, it will happen to match that upper 5% because it IS being upped 5% because of CS

[plucky summit]

This is not the case for Jageroo because it's using HEAT, which is upped by 10% because of CS, not 5% like APCR is

[real nacelle]

that does not explain why stats don't match.. damn i know all this and it doesn not answer my question.. lol yea show your tank stats screen and you'll see that pen values match

even with cal shells...

[plucky summit]

The stats don't match because the ammunition tab's stats never change, even when you use CS 🤦‍♂️

[valid gale]

Honestly idk wth the point of arguing about the ingames percentages is it should be known by now almost nothing except your reload or traverse is accurate in the characteristics if you want accurate numbers just look it up its not that hard

[ancient iron]

Aight at this point... Midi is either a troll, a child, or intoxicated

[real nacelle]

no but their upper limit is WITH cal shells.. pay attention lol

[real nacelle]

hey it's ok to admit you're wrong or that you do not know the answer

[plucky summit]

The upper limit matches the average value with CS because they're both 5% above the average value w/o CS

For APCR

[ancient iron]

Take a tank with apcr ammo and turn off cal shells and check the shell page and the stats page

[real nacelle]

stats still match unlike jagaroo

[plucky summit]

Show us which stats are matching

[real nacelle]

i already did just scroll up.. it's the case for most tanks actually..

[plucky summit]

Because. They. Are. Using. APCR

The ammunition tab does not show a difference in the penetration range for each shell when you change to CS

[real nacelle]

i can go on all day showing you stats that match and only few tanks that don't like jagaroo.. btw 418 is not 5% average increase it would be 419.. Ok ammo tab does not change but it always counts for cal shells in it's upper limit.. check yourself 😛 every tank has max pen of that with cal shells

[plucky summit]

The ammunition tab is incorrect when you use CS.

418 is a 10% increase from 380, because 380 + 38 is 418, that's what CS does when you use HEAT, it increases the average penetration by 10%

For APCR, CS increases the average penetration by 5%, which happens to be the upper limit of a penetration roll without CS, because the penetration range fluctuates by 5%.

I believe you're mistakenly using that upper limit as an indicator of the average penetration you get with CS, which is only correct for AP and APCR shells

Now go on all day, I know what faults and mechanics this game has in place @real nacelle

@real nacelle I hope this explains it

It's just numbers lining up and making you think they're the same thing

[mighty delta]

its ok to admit you are wrong. Being stubborn just makes you sound stupid

[rigid thunder]

don't worry he'll come back later saying he was just trolling and we all got rekt xd, he'll never admit he was wrong

[mighty delta]

yeah it was ALL a jOkE

[rigid thunder]

guYs I swear I'm not the clown, it was all of you hahaha... haha.

[mighty delta]

BWAHAHA

[ancient iron]

So uhhh.... Do the t8, 9 and, 10 Yohs have better acc than the 7?

[solid gate]

is it ok if my win rate dropped by 10%

[kindred wren]

Yes, that’s perfectly fine

[hushed gull]

Should I get he is7 or the t62?

[kindred wren]

Get both

[hushed gull]

Cant. Not enough free exp

[rigid thunder]

..don't use free exp to research tanks

[hushed gull]

Im lazy ok

[rigid thunder]

well it's gonna save u the pain from grinding modules next time, trust me

[hushed gull]

I am not really grinding tho

[rigid thunder]

emphasis next time

[solid gate]

the kv1s is a good tank

[kindred wren]

In that case, I recommend the

IS-7, if you look for a bit of a challenge and like pushing/ spearheading the charge

T-62A, if you want a generic medium for getting to know medium gameplay and not too much specialisation

[solid gate]

im going for the IS-7

[storm robin]

Hm, honestly I’d recommend the 140 XD (but generally only veterans can make use of its armour profile)

[kindred wren]

That wasn’t up for debate but I think it’s the more enjoyable of the two Russian tech tree mediums

[hushed gull]

Or should I get the t57

[storm robin]

No, the T57 has a horrific grind and it’s basically a slower 50B with around the same armour

[runic valley]

50b is nice

[kindred wren]

T57 is a damage dealer with a good gun

[hushed gull]

I can get it with free exp :>

[storm robin]

If you want a first autoloader T10 heavy, go Kran

[kindred wren]

Kranvagn is an autoreloader 👀

[rigid thunder]

I found the T57 grind to be pretty nice, especially loved the T54E1 for some reason. Though I did start off from the T49. The T57 is pretty different from the 50b, trading mobility for gun handling, dpm, clip time and armour that people need to aim at

[hushed gull]

Then I will go for the is7

[kindred wren]

I played the T54E1 before they nerfed it (350 alpha to 310 alpha) and it worked wonders. I think now it plays more like the T69 now which is kind of bad but oddly satisfying to play

[rigid thunder]

I played it with the 310 alpha gun, but most battles after the speed buff. Before, it was absolutely horrendous, but with the added top speed, I found the mobility much better, and sufficient to take positions to use the comfortable gun

[kindred wren]

Yeah, just looked through the balance changes it got and the dispersion is actually nice now

For reference, I used this document by Tankeatingtiger

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17CXsRjguuTiJVXgWHN6o3CMbN2lJbngVhVBvxK-21D4/edit#gid=1446403364

[spare solar]

If i wanted to snipe i would use this just for the spam ☕

[modest ocean]

How hard is it to ammo rack m103?

[violet timber]

About as easy as it is to ammo rack the E5

[modest ocean]

Oh ok

[thorny smelt]

The first premium tank I purchased with gold

[spare solar]

Wheres the ammo rack on the AT15

@thorny smelt my first was tiger131 then that one

[thorny smelt]

You can beat T29 with that tank. Just spam the side of the tank by breaking tracks while at the same time dealing damage. Basically a poorly armored Black Prince.

[manic carbon]

AT-15 has an ammorack at the bottom of the hull, and an ammorack at the back of the superstructure in front of the engine compartment

[spare solar]

That why i snipe higher tier then being near them 😂

I will keep that in mind to spam td tracks when i hop on

[thorny smelt]

FV201 (A45) has much better traverse speed so you can sidescrape like crazy, at least in my experience. Go for Calibrated Shells instead of Gun Rammer since the reload time is short already.

[sleek badge]

this is not a premium tank

[rigid thunder]

nice username

[main bluff]

I look at it more like a bunker than a tank

[spare solar]

Learned that part

The armour throws me off i get some bounces but majority is a no

I hang on hills mostly when driving around flat works too i like to be angled with that tank

[strange thicket]

Wdym, the t34 is a premium tank

[spare solar]

The hell is you're premium status up there

[hard cedar]

im pretty sure you can't sidescrape in a 201 just like every brit

[spare solar]

I do it like a madman or a nub

Besides meds and heavies i bounce lights

If their the same tier or lower

I play like a French tank against higher tier

[hard cedar]

i guess theyre not shooting prammo

[spare solar]

I believe not

[hard cedar]

well t7 meds have terrible standard pen so 🤷‍♂️

[sleek badge]

Emil 1 is better than T34 Heavy lol

[rigid thunder]

So?

[violet timber]

And every tier 7 heavy is better than the VK 45.03, but it's still a premium

[karmic geode]

hi

can anybody help me how do i can get Tie8-10 prems without paying mutch GE or free?
i want to grind money for the t54

[hard cedar]

you can get the is-5 for 1.5k when the bug preventing ppl from buying it is fixed

[karmic geode]

oh

but
i got kicked out of the clan i was in so rip
And also i dont have TierX personal supply

[hard cedar]

uh then honestly not much you can do, you can wait for the vk 168 event in august but that tank is pretty bad

[karmic geode]

oh
thanks

[hard cedar]

np

[ancient iron]

I love using my HTC in like October.... it's so rare in the MM that it becomes laughably op

in other news... my Yoh has stopped trolling me....

[thorny smelt]

Any review for the M6A2E1 Exp?

[hard cedar]

watch a yt vid

[thorny smelt]

It is better to have a review from you guys other than just in YouTube.

[hard cedar]

it has good frontal hull armor but the turret ring and cheeks are weakspots
the sides and rear suck
The dpm is meh but it has good pen

[violet timber]

Strong frontal armor, decent gun, everything else is average except the side and rear armor suck

[thorny smelt]

Much like any other tank eh? Not even good for side-scraping?

[hard cedar]

sides are he'able by 152mms

[thorny smelt]

I guess I'll save up my gold for now and buy something better

[ancient iron]

is the 121B any good?

[hard cedar]

121b is pointless just get a 121 or 62a

[violet timber]

But my 121B, it's so beautiful

[hard cedar]

that leg camo is 🤮

[violet timber]

Hey, the camo looks good and the tank is to die for

[hard cedar]

🥴

[violet timber]

I will forever stand by the 121B being a good tank

[hard cedar]

gross tank with gross camo

[violet timber]

Beautiful tank with a golden dragon for a camo

[hard cedar]

a golden dragon that doesnt fit at all

[violet timber]

Still doesn't stop it from looking good

[hard cedar]

🤨

[violet timber]

Putting the legendary camo aside, the tank is still pretty good

[hard cedar]

no its a 62a 121 hybrid that loses the good stuff from both tanks

[violet timber]

It's more a 121 mixed with a M48 since it has a NATO gun. It also has pretty good turret armor, decent mobility, but the hull is trash

[hard cedar]

it loses 121 aim time and alpha and 62a gun handling, dpm and depression
its more of a 62a 121 hybrid based off of tank stats

[violet timber]

It's a 200 dpm loss for more alpha, and overall the gun handles pretty well and can snapshot, unlike the 121

[lyric oriole]

121b is solid

It's gotten buffed so many times

[spare solar]

M60?

[thorny smelt]

What's that 121b? I'm confused...

[hard cedar]

it's not bad I just don't think there's really a point it's just mediocre

[mental cloak]

has anyone use the tiger II before

[lyric oriole]

It's more of a flex tank, flex as in positions it can play. It has great concealment, solid alpha, high DPM, and is well armored.

Obviously it has some downsides like poor Gun depression but it can make do with the mobility

[lyric oriole]

Nope, there was once a legend 7 years ago that someone had once driven it in game, only to never been seen again

In all seriousness I take it you need some help with it?

[mental cloak]

yes

i need advice im new to the tank

[lyric oriole]

What exactly are you having issues with in it

Oh it's just new

Ok gimme a sec

[mental cloak]

i try looking on the gen cht but no one see it im sry ik this is the vehicles chat

[lyric oriole]

For research on the vehicle go for the first 105mm, then the turret, then tracks, then engine, and finally the last gun.

For playstyle it's your typical heavy, solid hull, kinda slow, you should be frontlining with it, and sidescraping if possible. The stock turret is extremely weak, so don't count on it blocking Damage, the top turret is much stronger but the sides are still very weak.

One of the best ways to use Tiger 2 is to take down some of the more well armored targets with your penetration and accuracy.

[mental cloak]

and then caernarvon this tank i realy ahve an issue its armor. speed, dmp, gun is for me hard to play with

it just from the black prince to this is just weird for me

[mental cloak]

the black prince has insane dpm and armor

[rigid thunder]

the caern is hard to use yeah, first thing is to always run improved engine boost.
You should always be taking ridgelines and hull down positions. If possible, run with your team's medium tanks as your armour won't stand a chance against heavies.

[mental cloak]

ye ik i try to be a suporter tank and just stand on the back lines

[hard cedar]

uh are you camping with it?

[mental cloak]

no i was behinf heavys

i lost 300.000+ credits playin with it thts why i change to the germans

[rigid thunder]

don't be afraid to take forward positions in that tank, well only if you have some way to go hull down. Which is the only place you should ever be.

[mental cloak]

thx il try it im still in trauma by houw much creditd i lost