vehicles-discussion

[violet timber]

Is-7 had a 130mm gun and better speed. IS-4 has better overall armor for worse speed.

[stiff basin]

IS-7 has mobility, IS-4 has a gun

[hard cedar]

Armor profile, mobility, alpha dmg

[valid cedar]

what is the playstyle of the is 7 and 4? i have an is3 rn but i think im playing it rly wrong

[fluid parrot]

Is-4 more survivable

[violet timber]

IS-4 can do pretty much whatever it wants, IS-7 is pretty limited but it can hull down pretty good

[valid cedar]

since im on the t8 of the is7 line im considering switching to the is4 line perhaps since it sounds better tho im alr t8 so...

[valid cedar]

ty

[violet timber]

No problem

[manic carbon]

@valid cedar going through Is-3 and IS-8 will make the IS-4 grind easier 🙂

[valid cedar]

wdym?

[manic carbon]

Modules on the tanks are shared with IS-4 line. And stock grinds on IS-4 line are pretty bad.

[violet timber]

The lines share guns so if you unlock them on the IS-7 line, you will have them for the IS-4 line already unlocked

[keen garnet]

IS-7 is much more fun than IS-4

[valid cedar]

cuz of speed?

[keen garnet]

Speed and alpha ye

[manic carbon]

But yeah I recommend finishing IS-7 line, then moving to the next line.
Will be easier for you

[solid gate]

Alternatively leave while you still can a nightmare awaits you ahead

[valid cedar]

ight ill try that

[manic carbon]

lol

[keen garnet]

NGL though I enjoyed maxed out KV-4

[manic carbon]

the one thing I enjoyed was the black hole sides on it

[keen garnet]

Mhm, also the stock turret was much better because it did not have basically a second turret

[violet timber]

Stock ST-I though 😬

[manic carbon]

I drove a 50% fully stock ST-I for a game just to experience it. T95 mobility and cant pen anything lol

[violet timber]

Jesus Christ you masochist

[civic ledge]

I used stock st1 for most of the modules

[low rampart]

Give KV-1 better armor and slighty faster reload, and you'll unleash a beast to compete with BDR and T1 heavy.

[brave night]

Wg balance make another op tanks to balance all the others

[valid cedar]

is the 248 pen on the t8 Ho-Ri good for its tier?

[brave night]

It’s amazing for its tier

[lyric oriole]

Also premium AP

[plucky rain]

T28 Defender is a hard tank to play sometimes
Change my opinion

[lyric oriole]

That's true for most tanks

[brave night]

Every tank is hard to play sometimes

[stiff basin]

Apart from annihilator

[plucky rain]

So, how to play T49 and T 28 Defender?

[lyric oriole]

T49 is pure hit and run

Slap someone and run, rinse and repeat

Run Calibrated shells

[stiff basin]

You just slap everyone and use He
Imagine running gun rammer on this

[plucky rain]

What I see from T 28 Defender:
Fire all 3 shells and get rushed by enemies while your 23 second full maganzine reload is like 23 years
Then fire once and 6.7 second interclip
So literally 30 seconds to do 400 damage
Then 30km/h is quite slow, plus T 28 D has weak sides and 2 quite weak turret cheeks.
Position too far on T 28 D and miss some shells
Position too near and get slapped by enemies
Send tips for T 28 D

[lyric oriole]

My only tip since you can't seem to make it work is don't play the tank

[plucky rain]

What other good tanks should I play then, in tier 8

[lyric oriole]

Chimera, 252u, Celestial, Progetto 46

[plucky rain]

Have Skorpion as a high explosive magnet and can't seem to do well in WZ 112-2
Only comfortable in Chimera and can't seem to do well in Progetto 46

252U to me has good armour but massive lower plate and low dpm@lyric oriole

[lyric oriole]

And horrible accuracy

It's really not a good tank but people will suggest it so I put it there so people don't screech that I didn't write it down

[plucky rain]

Lowe is a good silver grinder but can be a piece of paper so hulldown may not work
Gun may work but won't recommend sidescrape

[lyric oriole]

Löwe isn't that good

[halcyon thunder]

lowe makes the best credits but is hard to do well in

[plucky rain]

So I need tips for the tanks I mentioned above.
Also I have IS 6 free from huge container

[lyric oriole]

It has the best coefficient, but difficulty is a factor in overall profitability

In an average sense

[halcyon thunder]

yes i know

[plucky rain]

Ya it needs to break 3k damage in order to grind good silver

[halcyon thunder]

thats not how it works but ok

[plucky rain]

Then how should I play them
I need tips

[halcyon thunder]

chimera: trade/peekaboo and use the consumables
252u: drive forward facehug and shoot
celestial: pretty much the same as 252u except more refined (if that makes sense)
prog: like the tier 10, clip or single shot, no armour, dont get hit
skorp: peekaboo or play like a med with no armour and is big and boxy

[brave night]

Just play e6 smh

[hollow notch]

Poor shark somehow got forgotten

[brave night]

True lol

[halcyon thunder]

shark is just the most braindead of them all
hulldown and shoot

[lyric oriole]

Shark is kinda tier 8 IS-4

[hollow notch]

You gotta wiggle a bit

[halcyon thunder]

like in any tank

[brave night]

It’s tier 8 e5

[distant nymph]

if it's top tier, it stomps

[lyric oriole]

In terms of shape yes

[hollow notch]

A tier 8 is4, only it gets 10° of depression

[lyric oriole]

The side armor is stupid strong in Shark

[brave night]

The track wheel tho

[halcyon thunder]

track wheel on shark is pretty strong compared to other americans/brits

[hollow notch]

Track wheel is trash on the shark. That's it's only downside

[lyric oriole]

Gotta love the 440 HE shell

[hollow notch]

"but the hatch makes hull down balanced"
~weegee balance department

[brave night]

Yes

[lyric oriole]

Why

[kindred thorn]

big brain design

[hollow notch]

Can't have people shooting HE at your ammo

[solid gate]

The fv215b armor buff plz wg. You can’t sidescarpe in it even though it’s rear turreted.

[pliant lodge]

The British heavy line sacrifices armor for DPM. Making it better armored would make it broken. The frontal hull is also troll

[violet timber]

Not all rear turreted tanks are good at side scraping such as the IS-2H

[gentle wasp]

T92E1 best sidescraper

[quiet heart]

tog II best reverse sidescraper

[valid cedar]

I just had a match where i was a mauschen but the t57 heavy decided to go in front of me sidescrape and he died in like 1 min.
Very big brain moments i tell you, very big brain

[kindred thorn]

well just wait until the enemies fire and take advantage of his death

[sweet dove]

there was a time when the 215b's upper plate could not be penned by IS-7 APCR in a facehug on flat ground. and the Conqueror's upper plate couldn't be penned by M103 firing AP. obviously neither is the case anymore, IS-7 can fire on reload at the the upper plate with AP and pen every time

[solid gate]

So was it a nerf?

[valid cedar]

We also got flanked real good

[sweet dove]

functionally, yes. but it wasn't a specific >let's reduce the thickness from 150 to 100 sort of thing. they basically changed how armor and shells worked

[solid gate]

Oh

[onyx sluice]

Hetzer with a weird gun?

I'm still waiting for WG to give it the derp gun.

[midnight leaf]

looks like a jpanther

[clear bobcat]

No, JPhanter is taller, and it isn't that sloped on the sides, its more like hetzer

[celest ledge]

Permission to change the names of your tanks

[gentle wasp]

you can already mod that

[celest ledge]

#ThatLooksLikeAPyramidTank thing

[solid gate]

It’s not related to the hetzer and it’s actually a bit smaller

[distant nymph]

yea it's totally unrelated. The romanians wanted a light SPG armed with a 122mm or 152mm howitzer which was deemed too heavy so it was reclassed as a light tank destroyer. Only one prototype was built

[lilac umbra]

Is the t23e3 worth it?

[plucky summit]

Nah

[clear bobcat]

idk if i had it i would like it

[lilac umbra]

Is the M6A2E1 worth it?

[distant nymph]

you got great front armor, HE-able sides, 105mm gun.

[lilac umbra]

So is it worth it

[distant nymph]

if you like the playstyle of the T-29, then ye

[lilac umbra]

Ok

Which tier 8 is the best u can buy for gold

[celest ledge]

8+8=maus

[plucky summit]

@lilac umbra the best benefit would be the Lowe

[gentle wasp]

Jagdtiger 88 is the best tank by far.

@distant nymph the E1 is nowhere close to the T29 in either playstyle or performance

[distant nymph]

Ah

[lavish jasper]

hi! i have a question: has the e25 ever been on sale for gold? and whats the last time it has appeared in the shop? thanks cause its my fave vehicle lol

[plucky summit]

It has been sold for gold before, but I'm not sure when

[lavish jasper]

alright, thank you then, its good to get a confirmation at least :]

[gentle wasp]

It was last sold in March bundled with the Lowe (not counting crates)

[plucky summit]

Mm yes hot duo

[lavish jasper]

o, was it an in app purchase for real money? i didnt notice haha

[gentle wasp]

15 euros according to this forum post: http://forum.wotblitz.eu/index.php?/topic/54156-blitz-economics-premiumcollector-tank-tracker-2020-update/

[lavish jasper]

thats a very helpful thread that i didnt know that existed, thanks again!

[gentle wasp]

No problem man, it’s quite useful since he keeps it up to date.

[limber dagger]

Which is better wz 113 or wz 121

[kindred wren]

WZ-113

[solid gate]

Could this be an tier 8 premium with nerfed gun just AP shells instead of normal APCR

It actually existed so yeah

[frigid quest]

smoothbore guns are a big no in blitz, wargaming used the T-62A and not the production T-62 for a reason

[solid gate]

It did exist but was never intended to be fully functional just a concrete emplacement

[solid gate]

Its wargaming, they even add completely fictional tanks

Which they come up on their own and actually design them to function shoving a random turret onto a t34 hull is lazy even for them

Bruh no

And it already exists because T-34-1 is a thing in the Chinese tree

Thats not at all that thing

It’s literally the same thing concept wise T tank turret and 34 hull lol that things not gonna happen

No

Wargaming designs thier tanks like the should work hmmm, look at that engine and gear on annihilator

Except that thing gets a pass because it’s broken and isn’t based off any existing designs it’s literally a wasteland styled tank

T-34-62 should be able to function, just needs an elongated hull

[frigid quest]

T-34 with a 62mm lmao? More of a T-34-115

[solid gate]

T 34 -100

[lyric oriole]

Anyone on NA want to help me with an experiment? 1 alecto will do, 2 is preferable

[solid gate]

@lyric oriole I'll see if I've got the creds to purchase an alecto lol

[lyric oriole]

Alright, I'll wait a couple minutes to see if we can get someone else

[solid gate]

Swert yeah I got 1 now. Add me ingame as my name is here.

[lyric oriole]

If not, the Training room will just be the default one which is my username

@solid gate alright I'll get it set up

[solid gate]

Sweet

[solid gate]

@lyric oriole any chance u have an is3 and feel like helping me out with a replay of yours in a match brawling?

[lyric oriole]

Sure I guess? Is it a straight up fight?

[solid gate]

I just dont own the tank and some peoples want a review on it. Your a good player stat wise so figured I'd ask if I could grab your replay for content

[lyric oriole]

In the future maybe, I don't feel much like playing the game today

Tried the morning, wasn't feeling it

[solid gate]

Hahaha sweet as. We can 1v1 brawl in training if that suits ya better. I'll work with it for the sake of the people.

[neat nimbus]

well i gues if i want buy a tank i have to sell my collectors maybe even the death toaster

[storm robin]

Okay, tl;dr: IS-3 has the best 122mm gun handling out of any Soviet heavies, it has decent mobility, horrid hull armour and a literally impenetrable turret (as well as troll strips of spaced armour on the sides)

[solid gate]

@storm robin oh I'm aware of stats etc and how it plays. I just dont own the tank so cant use my own replay for the review I've been asked to do on my youtube. If you have any replays you wouldnt mind me using I'd be thankful

Also meds....? It's a heavy tank lol

[kindred thorn]

what about is8 gun handling? and is7/4

[fossil parcel]

Amx 30b got powercreep by its t9 prototype tnk, it need some love

[fossil parcel]

Isn't it is2sh to compensate of no armor

[frigid compass]

meh they can just shove (rifled) on the end of the gun's name and call it a day

Chieftain/T95

[elfin orbit]

I thought of it and my mind instantly went to the massive tumor

[brave night]

Since when did wg care about historical accuracy

[neat nimbus]

hey wg when you will make avaible the attachments for this line i would love to see a ikea reference and a tow cran for the kranvgn

[placid crown]

Wargaming please, with the new tech tree coming your teasing us with those oval turrets

Versions were designed without nuclear engines and electric engines, it used a 90mm gun with a hydraulic loading device giving it great reload speeds, and the turret has two layers, an outer s of spaced armor and the super sloped inner turret

With electic engine it was 25 tons with 300 horse power and 12/t

It also had a v8 petrol engine to help give it more speed

[jade ermine]

Nice tanks

[analog vigil]

Tier VI it will be according to the futur american Line 😂

[solid trench]

A burger or 5 lockbox keys??

[median tree]

Burger

[spiral flax]

Can they nerf the e5 and e3? Like fr some tanks can't even pen, also a buff to the jg e100 gun would be great

[kindred thorn]

if you cant pen them when they are hull down use HE

[spiral flax]

They need to nerf the hatch of the e3 and bring the hatch back on e5

[fast compass]

Honestly they just need to get rid of those special consumables on those tanks. There are zero reasons why a tank should be balanced based on those op consumables

[sudden terrace]

cube tank !

[solid gate]

Sorry for the late reply but isn’t the is2h great at it? I have been in multiple round playing against that tank and it can bounce. Maybe it won’t work for tier 9, only tier 8 or 7.

[solid gate]

Wg add it in now

[rigid thunder]

the IS-2Sh is pretty terrible, the armour doesn't even work. Sad turret, shoulders, and an even more sad 60mm side armour plate behind the tracks

[solid gate]

So it’s been powercreeped? There are so many tier 8 prems and collectors now that tech tree and old premium tanks just fall behind

I have been wanting a buff to the fv215b but if they can’t buff the side armor then the upper plate. Other heavys can pen it no prob without even USING GOLD SHELLS

[thick trout]

Maybe the 215b isn't about hull armour 🤦‍♀️

[sweet dove]

Reactive Armor. And dont get shot

[ebon tide]

Did wargaming make the is7 better?

[solid gate]

I don’t think so

[ebon tide]

Rip

I grinned the is7 then learned that it is a wack tank. So yeah. Now I’m on tier 8 for maus. Lost interest cause the grind is pretty long.

[kindred thorn]

is7 is a good tank

[sweet dove]

what year is this, 2016?

[candid harbor]

POOG

[ebon tide]

does this mean I will def get a tier 5+ vehicle

[kindred thorn]

no
you have a 5% chance of getting any vehicle for each container i think

[stiff basin]

yes

[echo pilot]

Does ANYONE at all know why my T6E1 has turned into T6E1 Grizzly? No mods, camos, or anything equipped, other people can see T6E1 Grizzly as well. I got it normally from the starter quest line from it and it has been normal T6E1 before today. I couldn't find anything online for it, and no one has said T6E1 Grizzly in the discord before me.

[surreal flame]

Hey!
Anybody know the tier 10 rare premium tanks will have legendary camo? Like amx 30b or t95e6?

[ebon tide]

Does anyone know how much the mauschen and maus cost?

[kindred thorn]

All tier 10 tanks cost 6.1 mil credits, mauschen is prob around 3.3-3.4 mil

[lyric copper]

skill issue for the E5, not as much the E3 tho

Jpz gun epic

[hollow notch]

Nah, the e5 and e3 both need nerfs. Along with plenty of heavies

[lyric copper]

E3 should have never gotten special consumables

[spiral flax]

None of the heavies should of gotten special consumables

Or at least give it to them all not just one nation

[lyric copper]

it isn’t just one nation tho

Swedish HTs have em too

[past crane]

and bri'ish heavies and turreted TD's

[surreal flame]

Obj 907 any info? Whed did it comes?

[lyric copper]

we don’t know when it’ll come, but do know it’s a cross between a 62A and T-22

[valid cedar]

What are good lines/t10 tanks that are realtively nice for first time players to go for?
I.e. their first line

[feral vessel]

Is-2h = awful

[manic carbon]

E-100
T110E5
Object 268
These lines are my recommendations

@valid cedar

[gentle wasp]

e5 Is7 268 62a E100

[thick trout]

I'd recommend not going for one line and spending time on several different ones working your way up slowly. It's much more satisfying and rewarding. Most lines are pretty average up to about tier 7 but I'd tend to avoid Japanese tanks, German paper TDs and French tanks.

[valid cedar]

Why those tanks @manic carbon and @gentle wasp ? Ive heard ppl mention them before tho i dont play them myself
Especially e100

[solid gate]

should i go for t62a or is7

[hollow notch]

Is7

[valid cedar]

Yea those are rly glassy tbf

[manic carbon]

They are very simple to get the hang of. They are straightforward, and helps you to learn the basics effectively.

[gentle wasp]

very solid lines and consistently good for the most part. they are also largely pretty simple to play.

[manic carbon]

This is honestly well said though.
I definitely agree about avoiding the lines/nations he mentioned

[valid cedar]

Even the is7? Im playing the is3 rn and the long aiming time puts me off so i thought the aiming time would make it harder to play idk

[gentle wasp]

if you don't like the particular playstyle feel free to jump to a different line as Honourless is saying, it helps round out your skills and find out what will work best for you.

[valid cedar]

Is the e100 easier to play than the maus?

[manic carbon]

We can only recommend the lines newer players will have a better time in. You need to figure out what sort of tanks you like to go for

[violet timber]

Imo Maus is more forgiving

[valid cedar]

Very true, i was just asking for general purppses

[tardy arrow]

Maus is trash, e100 is like a 252 on t10 bc it’s so noob proof

[hollow notch]

Yup. Maus is 100% based in armor, and you have to know what you are doing to make the armor work well. The e100 has a punchy gun, which will make it easier to play.

[thick trout]

Oh god I'm doing something wrong people on the blitz server are agreeing with me 👀

[violet timber]

Guys, make sure to listen to what Hounorless says, and then do the complete opposite

[thick trout]

:'(

[hollow notch]

The poor guy looking for actual answers here ._.

[valid cedar]

Nah imo you made rly nice points, im very grateful for your points

@hollow notch isnt the armour worse on the e100 tho, if u can angle which isnt too hard the maus is harder to kill even if u be ur teams meatshield

[manic carbon]

In my opinion the E-100 is easier to play.
Maus is very specialised in what it does, and I wouldn’t recommend a newer player to get that before the E-100

[valid cedar]

Me who's first line was the maus 😔
But i like it

[hollow notch]

With the maus you have to keep track of the reloads of the enemy tanks around you and angle your armor accordingly. It's very durable, but you won't be able to do much damage without getting crippled if you don't have a decent grasp on the game. The e100 is just peek, shoot, peek, shoot.

[thick trout]

One of the things I did as a noob (okay more of a noob) that I'm so happy I did was not rush up to tier 10. I think I had like 8-9k games and I didn't have a single tier 10, but I had learnt a lot and felt confident with every tier before I moved on. I still remember on one of my first games at tier 10 I tried to make a call and someone came and raged at me in DMs saying that I didn't have the experience or the knowledge and I need to shut up and listen until I did and honestly they were totally right. Gameplay and tactics change a fair amount between tiers and you can get away with a lot less mistakes at tier 10. Work your way up and make sure you are confident and you will get the best start you can.

[valid cedar]

True, i seem to do decent dmg with the mauschen while tanking especially recently but i can see that happening

[valid cedar]

Yeah true tbh, thats a fair point

[hollow notch]

The way that the vk100 plays if very similar to the way that the maus E100plays. It has a hard hitting gun and great hp pool, but when you get shot at almost all shots will pen.

Messed up myself

[valid cedar]

Ah i see, yea makes sense

[tardy arrow]

What,

[delicate dock]

I find it easier to do better in the E100 just because of the big gun, plus your armor can sometimes work if you learn the angling

[lilac umbra]

is the at-15 still broken
or did it got nerfed
or is it still there anymore 0-0

[gentle wasp]

it has not been nerfed

[lilac umbra]

is it still there?

[gentle wasp]

it is

[lilac umbra]

hehe

[fresh vine]

su100y

[sudden terrace]

did you just
pinged me

[fresh vine]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-ping-pingus-bingus-cat-gif-18905873

[celest ledge]

Can you guess what this is the worst tank or the best tank of tire v

[kindred thorn]

well its not the worst

[celest ledge]

Of tier 5

[kindred thorn]

yeah
But bdr or something is prob the best

[celest ledge]

But we know that the m6 witch is basically just a look replica and almost the gun on it is the same is some how better

[kindred thorn]

well an m6 is obv going to beat a t1 as they are both heavies but one is a tier higher
and m6 has the better gun

[celest ledge]

Yeah unless the t1 is some how by chance fully upgraded and some how the m6 hasn’t been upgraded at all and some how the crew of the t1 is fully traded and the m6 crew doesn’t have any experience at all which is very very very very unlikely to happen

[kindred thorn]

well higher tier tanks are going to win a 1v1 if they have like the same playstyle
after that its just the players skill

[celest ledge]

True

[kindred thorn]

unless its a light/med with a low profile against like the maus
or a td

[celest ledge]

Now that would be funny/interesting to see

[kindred thorn]

well i mean its very possible

[celest ledge]

Yes it is hold on a second I’ll be right back

Hmm which is better I really don’t know

[kindred thorn]

vk 100

vk 168 is not very good outside of fun modes

[vale pilot]

My Grind plan: 1) BatChat 2)Amx 50B 3)Kran 4)Stb1 5)Fv215b or Maus 6)Sheridan. Should I change it?

[kindred thorn]

what other t10s you got

[celest ledge]

I thought so

Wot: the vk 168 is better than the vk100

Literally everyone: the vk 100 is better

[vale pilot]

0

[kindred thorn]

There may be easier grinds to start you off

[vale pilot]

I have a 2nd account so I have some experience I just want to check out other lines/grinds

[kindred thorn]

well amx 50b line plays like a med/heavium and not like a heavy at all except for the t5-6

[celest ledge]

This tank is only good if it doesn’t get hit at all

[kindred thorn]

obv????

[celest ledge]

Or if you have great teammates or if you have a high iq and you I have a lot of experience in the game

[stone minnow]

Bored and dont know what to play, what is the best Non-American tier X?

[left jackal]

Is wz-120 g1 ft worth opening these boxes?

[quiet heart]

probally not

[wise moth]

Maus. Maaauuusssss

[stone minnow]

Besides that, Im trying to grind for something I dont have lol

[wise moth]

TVP is super fun to play if you’re looking for fun

[stone minnow]

TVP? Thats the Czech one right?

[wise moth]

Yah

[stone minnow]

Ight I'll start grinding for it then

[quiet heart]

it's 6 seconds of pure fun, 20 seconds of a bit of boredom, and then another 6 seconds of pure fun lol

[left jackal]

Does anyone have wz-120 g1 ft?

[wise moth]

The 20s downtime is good to be able to catch your breath, analyze the situation, and plan your next move.

[kindred wren]

For some reason I thought you’re talking about the slow mode 🙃

[neat nimbus]

its the tonk

[celest ledge]

Yes it is

[valid cedar]

happy heavy hulldown tanks noises

[edgy thunder]

Does anybody even like the Chaffee

Am I the only one?

Actually ima brb
Gonna draw a concept for Chaffee legendary camo

[sweet dove]

they're both garbage, the 252U is a faster version of both and has better armor

[plucky summit]

Better armor do be debatable

[sleek marten]

252U is a superior tank regardless but it doesnt compete directly with the Vks, plus 252U doesnt have that 128 ;)

[storm robin]

Obj 140, Prog 65 and WZ-121 are my personal faves

[sleek marten]

ngl tho best tier 8 frontline tank is rhm

[storm robin]

Tiger II, 252U, Vk 100, etc says hello

[sleek marten]

rhm says hello aggressively

[midnight leaf]

how does one play the conway

[neat nimbus]

I would love if the battle pass tanks were actually 3D camos for the tanks that are based on instead of changed capabilities separate tanks

I mean that could even encourage the owners of these tanks get into or new players

[floral rain]

Both tanks have the same gun stats. Gun handling wise, the 168 has a faster aim time but worse dispersion factors so they even out. The 168 has a worse power to weight ratio but just barely so we'll count it even as well.

The 168's armor is worse. The turret cheeks, although the same thickness, are larger and easier to hit with pramo. Lower plate is about the same size and thickness, but the cupola is much weaker (although smaller) than the 100.01P. Why would you spend gold on the VK168 when the 100.01 P exists as a free sidegrade or upgrade?

[stiff basin]

Because VK 168 weights 168 tons so you can ram people in Uprising (with speed upgrade) and Gravity

[bitter blaze]

Will the ram 2 be in shop?

[plucky summit]

Easier to angle turret tho

[rare ice]

Is the crusader or churchill I a better choice?

[median tree]

Crusader

[rare ice]

Thanks

[wet shuttle]

Please help me guys to decide. What should I buy in the premium tier 8 tanks, should I buy IS-6 (I like USSR and I'm grinding to get IS-4) or T34.

IS-6 for me is a good choice but I think I need to buy Gold Bullets and I don't have enough gold.

T34 have a great damage and pen but the hull armor for me is not quite enough.

Please help me decide. This is going to be my first premium tank. Thank you for yoir suggestions in advance. :>

[median tree]

whats ur highest tier btw

No offense

[rare ice]

Get the IS-6 And save for the bullets

[tepid geyser]

neither

save for a better tank

[wet shuttle]

Tier 7 american destroyer in my first account. Now I like heavies and I switch to my second account to get IS4

[median tree]

Is6 if you really want it now, but there will be better offers

[tepid geyser]

both are mediocre, there will be far better offers in the future, save your gold

[wet shuttle]

or should I wait for wargaming to give a sale?

[median tree]

Sale, wait

[tepid geyser]

yes, wait for them to sell a better tank

[rare ice]

Why is tier 5 so expensive .-.

[tepid geyser]

it isn't though

[rare ice]

I mean

When tier 4 is only 80k then it goes to 400k at tier 5

[tepid geyser]

that's how it works, it's so that people actually take time going up the lines and don't just rush them and not learn how to play them

[plucky summit]

@tepid geyser I wouldn't say T34 is mediocre

[wet shuttle]

thank you guys. one more question. is tier 8 vk premium heavy in the store will be replaced instantly after it ends?

[rare ice]

I mean true but there are exceptions to that like the T6E1 Grizzly i got it at tier 1

[tepid geyser]

eh, turret cheeks can be penned not to mention the cupola, it has bad hull armor, meh mobility, a long reload

T6E1 was part of an event, so it's not tech tree @rare ice

[rare ice]

Yea true

[tepid geyser]

it was also only 14 wins for the T6E1

[rare ice]

And is it just me or are british tanks super op

[wet shuttle]

guys?

[tepid geyser]

they are decently strong, each nation has great tanks, I wouldn't say that british tanks as a whole are super op, they're decent, some tanks are strong

yes, it should be replaced @wet shuttle

[rare ice]

I was asking cus i got killed only twice in the entire time ive owned a matilda

[tepid geyser]

well, the matilda does have really strong armor for its tier, and it's only tier 4, so that makes sense, for new players, it's very hard to pen

[rare ice]

Alr

Thanks for all the help

[tepid geyser]

no problem

[wet shuttle]

this will be replaced instantly right?

[tepid geyser]

it should be, there should be new offers coming in when it leaves, that's how it works

[wet shuttle]

yes. finally. thank you Mr. Max Speed. I wish it'll be a USSR Heavy.

[tepid geyser]

Have to wait and see

[wet shuttle]

I'm very eager to earn credits as you can see in my credits haha

what if it's not a ussr tank. should I wait or should I buy is6? i badly want credits

[tepid geyser]

If it's a good tank, buy it, don't restrict yourself to one nation

[wet shuttle]

I just kinda like ussr becuase of the design of their IS tanks. it's so great in close combat.

This will be my first and last premium tank. :<

[tepid geyser]

well, make sure it's a good one then

[lavish epoch]

vickers view range need nerf

[gentle wasp]

That’s literally the point of the tank

[neat nimbus]

Has a good view range yeah a light tank needs be the eyes of the team

Except you're the one carry on while the team is well being always there

I wonder what tank will come to store because may I save The gold for black Friday or even for blitz fair

Would be cool if crates didn't exist or weren't a bad thing

The crates doesn't really compensate for what you spend and most of the time you could waste a equivalent of a new game just to get a tank from crates

[potent galleon]

Man am I loving the Panzer 4 G, excellent speed and maneuverability in my opinion. I always take it out to battle and most of the time I win with it!

[sudden terrace]

do you really got lvl 6 pass

[median tree]

Get the turret

[potent galleon]

Just started playing the game a few days ago

[potent galleon]

I did just a few minutes ago, it looks cool because it looks like there’s more armor

[sudden terrace]

ok lol

[solid gate]

in WOT is KV-2(R), and i want add that Accessories on KV-2 in WoTB or KV-2(R) ( i am a huge fan of KV-2 )

Accessories like on IS-3 add on KV-2, and new legendary camo like IS-3, Because Menacing is meh for me

But pleas, add that Accessories on KV-2 ;) thanks

[wet shuttle]

IS6 OR T34?

Suggestions?

I just want to earn more credits.

[solid gate]

So do a attachment on KV-2 like IS-6 ? plas :)

[analog vigil]

if we continue on that way.. add Defender (obj 252 u) why not as a rating reward ?

[hard cedar]

Personally I would wait for a good premium to come into shop, don't bother with tech tree

[valid cedar]

thicc

[median atlas]

T54 mod 1 or lorrane 40t ?

[violet timber]

Depends on your experience level, but overall mod 1 is better

[signal nexus]

but would you say mod 1 is a good tank and is it worth the price?

[violet timber]

Mod 1 isn’t what it used to be, but it is still a strong tank. I think it’s worth the price

[hard cedar]

Should I get mod 1 or lorraine, most of my experience in the game is with tanks with no armor but my stats are pretty avg

[violet timber]

Lorraine is harder to play because it is a clipper, so the average player would be better off with the Mod 1

[hard cedar]

You would play lorraine as a support tank right

[violet timber]

Yeah, pretty much. It’s got a nice 4 round auto loader with a potential of 900 so you can do a good amount of damage. It’s also quite quick, but this all comes at the cost of HEable armor everywhere

[hard cedar]

Ah ok ty, I'm just tryna get a premium for credits, which one would be better for that

[violet timber]

I’m not sure, but I think Mod 1 would be better. You’d have to ask someone else to get a true opinion

[hard cedar]

Alri thanks

[onyx sluice]

Can you side scrape in the T1 heavy?

[solid gate]

Pleas add Accesories on KV-2 like this

[violet timber]

Yes, though don’t over angle as it’s sides aren’t too strong

[ebon tide]

What is the best heavy tier x tank? (Pls ping wen respond)

[lyric oriole]

Is-4

[valid cedar]

There is no 'best tank', there are ideal or nice heavy tanks depending on ur preferred plyastyle tho @ebon tide

[lyric oriole]

IS-4 is the best tier 10 heavy, there are some "best tanks" and that's that

[ebon tide]

Oh. Alr. What are good heavy tanks that have nice armour and decent dmg

[lyric oriole]

IS-4 has one tiny trade off and that's it's hull traverse which really isn't that bad

[ebon tide]

I’m assuming u own an !S-4

[valid cedar]

I rly wouldnt say any 'best tank' objectively cuz it rly depends on what playstyle u like best
I.e. do you like being straight at the front lines? Or perhaps peeking or dishing high dmg out at the front, u cant say objectively which is the best cuz they offer diverse playstyles

[lyric oriole]

Is-4 can literally do all of those

There's a reason it's a meta tank

[rigid thunder]

no matter your playstyle, the IS-4 performs well in almost any scenario, so to say it's the best tier 10 ht is quite solid

[violet timber]

If you’re looking for good heavies, IS-4, E5, and E100 are some good ones

[lyric oriole]

Don't discount Maus

[ebon tide]

I like to play in the Frontlines and in the heat of battle. I have played 2nd line and on and I haven’t really done well

[valid cedar]

^^^

Is the is7 as good as the is4 tho, i stopped grinding for the is7 at t8 cuz the t8 aiming time makes me sad

[lyric oriole]

Is-7 isn't that good

[violet timber]

I like the Maus, but it’s a bit more specialized than the E100 making it less flexible in certain situations

[ebon tide]

No I own an is7 and it is just really bad

It’s like a medium tank except the traverse speed is horrible

[violet timber]

IS-7 is nowhere near the meta defining power that is the IS-4

[ebon tide]

I have heard rumors that maus “isnt what it was once” meaning that its not too good anymore

[lyric oriole]

Er....

Maus is still ridiculously good because the armor and sheer HP

Nothing changed

[violet timber]

Maus is still one of the best heavy tanks in the game, it is just a little inflexible in certain situations compared to an IS-4 or E5

[ebon tide]

And what would be those situations? I’m just wondering cause I am grinding for it

[lyric oriole]

"It isn't what it once was" is likely referring to the days of it having only 100 more HP than E 100 and going 20kph with worse hull and turret traverse

[lyric oriole]

Pretty much just open areas and that's it

[violet timber]

It can’t hull down as well and the mobility is of course lacking, but other than that it preforms its role perfectly as long as you don’t force it into situations it’s not supposed to be in

[ebon tide]

As for how to play it, do u play it like its tier 8 counterpart?

[lyric oriole]

Maus plays nothing like VK 100

[wise moth]

It's the exact opposite. Maus excels in the open relative to the IS-4. He only really struggles in hulldown fights

[ebon tide]

Can u explain what hull down means

[lyric oriole]

I've had the opposite issues personally

I've gotten the turret angle down so hull down hasn't been a major issue

[violet timber]

When you hide the hull of your tank with hills or rubble so that only the turret is showing

[ebon tide]

But why would u do that? It’s armour is pretty nice

[lyric oriole]

Minimize your hitbox

[elfin orbit]

Theres less of the tank to shoot

[valid cedar]

What specifically is good about the IS-4?

[lyric oriole]

I don't care how nice the armor is on any tank I drive hull down makes a harder shot rather than taking the chance someone will bother shooting at my lower plate

[violet timber]

The question is not what’s good, but instead what’s bad about the IS-4

[ebon tide]

As far as I know, u gotta angle ur tracks at a 45degree angle to the enemy, and protect your underplate... From what I can see while using the tier 8 counterpart

[brave night]

It has the best wr of any t10 heavy rn so

[elfin orbit]

Hulldown helps protect that underplate yknowww

[ebon tide]

I think the best tank to hull down would be the is7

[valid cedar]

Im comparing the stats of the IS-4 and IS-7 and they look kinda similar to me, whats the big difference between them?

[brave night]

Kran

[elfin orbit]

E3 kek

[lyric oriole]

IS-7 is pretty good hulldown but I believe Kran takes the title

[ebon tide]

Kran?

[lyric oriole]

It's the only one that can hold up to everything but Ho-Ri

Kranvagn

Didn't realize there was another Kran in game

[brave night]

The is4 has a superior gun and better hull/turret armor

[violet timber]

IS-4 has a much better armor profile as well as a better gun. You only lose a bit of mobility to be able to bounce more shots and have a better gun

[ebon tide]

I’m not that well versed in some of these tanks cause I haven’t played for a year

[rigid thunder]

a bit is an understatement trust me

[elfin orbit]

I got lost the moment they added the swedish hts

[lyric oriole]

Needless to also note that IS-4 has basically #3 for camo rating in tier 10 heavies

Camo in a tier 10 heavy is nice

[elfin orbit]

Man a vickers light will probably still spot you through a hill

[lyric oriole]

Mmm yes

[lyric oriole]

That's a terrible example

[elfin orbit]

Haha

[violet timber]

Vickers light could spot anything from the next country over

[kindred wren]

What’s the answer?

[elfin orbit]

Xray vision from the commander

[lyric oriole]

It's a legitimate answer about the IS-4

[ebon tide]

1. If I’m in a maus, do I angle it like the tier 8 counter part?
2. Should I worry about the cheeks?
3. And what tanks can penetrate it at a 90degree angle?

[elfin orbit]

Everything will pen at a 90 degree angle assuming the sides

[lyric oriole]

No, yes, bad question

[valid cedar]

Doesnt it have a bit more dpm but worse alpha thats it?

[brave night]

1 no 2 yes 3 what

[kindred wren]

No
Yes
Most

[violet timber]

It also has a better premium round

[elfin orbit]

Is4 gun is more accurate by the way

[valid cedar]

Wait isnt angling the vk100 and the maus similar

[kindred wren]

The cheeks can be penetrated with standard ammo at a 90 degree angle by almost all tanks except mediums and lights

[ebon tide]

Is the mauschen worth keeping as a tier 9? What about the teir 8

[brave night]

No and yes

[lyric oriole]

You can angle the turret in Maus, and Maus can sidescrape, unless you are rushing it's pretty standard like 30° in one direction

[ebon tide]

How so (about the mauschen)

[kindred wren]

With the VK 100 you don’t angle the turret, with the Maus you do. The hull is basically the same deal though

[brave night]

No to mauschen it’s trash and yes to vk 100

[elfin orbit]

Maus is that big of an upgrade to the mauschen thank god it loses that cupola

[brave night]

Side armor is pretty bad as well as trash turret

[ebon tide]

Oh RIP

[brave night]

It’s workable but nothing to write home about

[ebon tide]

The armour app thing doesnt allow me to view tier 9+ so I dont know how to angle them

[lyric oriole]

Just use Blitz hangar

The website doesn't show hit skins but you can still see effective armor

[ebon tide]

Mobile app or website?

[valid cedar]

I thought u have to angle the vk turret too, idk i always did it as habit and it came useful on the mauschen

[elfin orbit]

Pretty sure even the lower plate of the maus is pretty strong anyway (for a lower plate)

[brave night]

Its strong against meds and lights running rammer

[elfin orbit]

Indeed

[ebon tide]

Should I 45degree the turret in the maus? Is the cupola a problem?

[kindred wren]

On the Mäuschen angling the turret makes sense, but on the VK it doesn’t benefit you much or at all because you expose the weak-ish sides

[elfin orbit]

What cupola

[brave night]

Mauschen is a no as it has bad side turret armor

[kindred wren]

The Maus has no cupola and yes, about a 45 degree angle is roght

[ebon tide]

So for mauschen just face the enemy straight on, much like an is7?

[elfin orbit]

Angle the hull at least

[brave night]

Just wiggle the best you can and try not to expose your cheeks cupola and lower plate as much as possible

[ebon tide]

RIP sounds like a pain

[elfin orbit]

Bait shots with your fat tracks

[ebon tide]

the VK plays awesomely. It holds up decently against a good amount of tier 9s

Mauschen doesnt sound to well

[brave night]

Mauschen is pretty meh but the maus is realllllly good

[elfin orbit]

Every line gotta have a bad tank mann

[brave night]

Pretty much

[violet timber]

You can angle the turret, just don’t over-angle it. Something like 20 degrees should be good

[thick trout]

I absolutely adored the mauschen but angling the turret is kinda useless because nobody goes for your cheeks they all aim for the cupola. Just keep wiggling your turret and angling your hull and you'll bounce most tier 9 guns

[brave night]

But it’s worth it either way just to get to the t10

[ebon tide]

How did u use it?

Like did u sidescrape or play it face on or 45deg angle it?

[neat nimbus]

What tank is worth to buy Right now (except the tech tree premiums)

[ebon tide]

Atm idk

[stiff basin]

wait for something better (i'm waiting for 4 months)

[violet timber]

Imo, only the Mod 1, but that’s if you really can’t wait for something better

[ebon tide]

I have a question, what is the avg mm of pen in tier 9 heavies meds and TDs for AP

And w/about tier 10s. Pls ping wen respond

[sweet dove]

dk what they're on lmao Maus is better right now than it ever was

[ebon tide]

How did u get the vet role?

[sweet dove]

25k battles. ask nicely

[ebon tide]

Woah my God

I’m stuck at 2.5k 😅

[sweet dove]

but yea back then 1) premium rounds did same damage as standard 2) mediums had 330 HEAT pen 3) HEAT ignored spaced armor 4) Maus only went 20 kmh instead of current 25kmh 5) Maus had 2500 hp instead of 3180 it can have now, or you can have 3000 with better armor

[kindred thorn]

tds have like 250-300 AP pen

[lyric oriole]

260-290

Whoops

[ebon tide]

Not bad if u 45 the mauschen

[thick trout]

If I'm top tier then most of the time I just charged and wiggled keeping just ahead of my team but it needed a lot of situational awareness, if I was bottom tier or against a passive team I mainly sidescraped and tried to keep my gun in use as much as possible taking hits when needed

[sweet dove]

if you mean 45 degree angle in the Mauschen, don't do that. only do 30

[ebon tide]

Alr

[sweet dove]

45 they load HEAT and pen on dpm at your sides. 30 they can pen your lower plate but which one is much smaller and easier to hide?

[balmy wagon]

Mauschen has weird turret angle and weak side either on it's turret or hull, kinda pointless tho if your angling on mauschen

[sweet dove]

don't angle the turret, the side cheeks are dogwater, you're better off betting on people missing your frontal cheeks cuz they're much smaller than real Maus

[calm drum]

Sali Berisha#1306 has been warned.

[ebon tide]

Hmm. So for 30 I’d have to keep it like this right?

[sweet dove]

no, the IS-7 is a dinosaur from 2017

[thick trout]

It's not really worth gunblocking either because the gun is so small and the cupola is so big and you need to make all your shots count

[ebon tide]

Other than that, its all good right?

[sweet dove]

you're more likely to end up using a repair kit to fix your gun when you do that lmao it's not gonna stop them from penning the cupola. your best bet is to just hide and keep it moving

[ebon tide]

Hide the whole tank?

Like peekaboo but from 2nd or 3rd line?

[sweet dove]

don't neglect track and engine upgrades. you would think that doesn't need saying but then you scroll up this channel a little and facepalm

[thick trout]

This is the easiest way to get the right angle consistently imo, just line the corner of the hull top and the front plate up with the gun and then wiggle a little either side

With the maus it's a tiny bit harder, you keep that angle for the hull but then move your turret so the gun points to the opposite corner of the hull top

[ebon tide]

Oh ty for the tip

[lyric oriole]

Especially tracks, tracks help with traverse, effective P/W ratio, and gun handling

So many people skip tracks and I tear my hair out every time I see that

[balmy wagon]

Most T9 td and ht can overmatch those side hull right?

[ebon tide]

Btw whats the reload time on this?

[kindred wren]

How many hairs do you have left?

[lyric oriole]

None

[ebon tide]

Are there increased chances of fire or r technical breakdowns it

[sweet dove]

Preferably you park yourself in front of a wall (black zone). Even better if it covers up to blue zone.

[kindred wren]

Understandable. Have a great day

[ebon tide]

So I’m thinking of loading:

1. all inclusive kit
2. tech repair
3. nos
   @lyric oriole

[thick trout]

Nope it's pretty damn strong like that

[sweet dove]

adrenaline is better than speed boost

[ebon tide]

Alr ty

[thick trout]

I skip tracks muahahaha (sometimes but normally the engine too)

[ebon tide]

Ty y’all. This will help me a bunch when I get the mauschen. (Probably like 50 battles left)

And should I play the maus like this as well (with the exception of the turret).

[sweet dove]

tanks are noticeably smoother with upgraded tracks

like you'll actually have more fun just by driving them

[ebon tide]

Wait can u expand on that. I dont quite understand

[thick trout]

Yeah it's mainly on tanks I just want to grind as fast as I can when I have x5s or x3s and I'll never play again

[thick trout]

If someone is shooting at you from the left side of the screen for example you look directly at them to get your hull to a decent angle by matching the corner of your hull with your gun, then you keep your hull at that angle and move your turret so your gun looking at the other corner of your hull, it gives your turret about 45° of angle which is about it's strongest position

[sweet dove]

if you're on X5s or X3s you would get tracks in 1 game and then every game after that will be much nicer to play

[ebon tide]

Oh TY a bunch guys...after a devastating setback (cus I grinned is7) this makes me feel a whole lot better

[thick trout]

I'm on the amx ac 48 ATM and it's 17k xp I'd rather out towards the 130k I need for the foch. I don't struggle with playing the tank how it is and ngl I just want to be done with it as fast as I can 😂

[ebon tide]

I feel like the grind is worth it.

[stiff basin]

sometimes tracks are giving you like 5 km/h on slow tanks, which is even better

[hollow moth]

Man, I honestly think that Panzer IV H would be a nice add to the game as a premium. Making it as it is in War Thunder with 'Add armor' equipement (+20mm of spaced armor made of track tires in some places of the front hull and front turret, but makes the tank considerably slower) would make an E50M of tier 5. I really like this idea.

[tawdry geode]

Yes, angle the turret even more with the Maus though

And you also don’t have to worry about the cupola so your only real weak spot is the lower front plate

[valid cedar]

i thought its better to face the turret like 30 degrees away from the enemy? cuz of vulnerable front turret cheeks which can be angled to make it less vulnarebale

with the vk tho ik its best to always look straight at the enemy

[desert seal]

Is the ac iv worth the 2k gold

[kindred wren]

There is already an E 50 M-like tank on tier five, namely the Panzer V/IV

[hollow moth]

Hm, truth, this one is so "meh" that I forgot about it's existence, ngl

[violet timber]

ACIV is barely worth 2 pennies

[desert seal]

Haha ok

[hollow moth]

It's not a bad tank tho, it's just so balanced that this tank have no advantage towards enemies

[plain wagon]

T54 mod 1 good?

[violet timber]

Yeah it’s pretty good, just not as good as it once was. It’s basically a T-44 with more armor but less mobility

[plain wagon]

So is it worth the 6500 gold?

All my tier 8 premiums are basically heavys so I was looking to get something that’s not a heavy

[violet timber]

If you can save up your gold a little bit and be patient, better tanks like the Chimera or Progetto with come eventually

[plain wagon]

Guess I’ll wait then

[gentle wasp]

not at all, the armor is the only thing it has going for it and that's barely relevant anymore. the rest of the tank is subpar.

[manic carbon]

its been powercrept a bit

[thick trout]

It's best to angle the maus' turret about 45° to whoever's shooting you but to basically everyone it feels super weird, setting it up using those reference points helps to get you used to such an extreme angle

[heady galleon]

just about to ask if i should get it, thank you for the info. I guess ill just wait for the 90.01(P) to come around

[valid cedar]

true, tysm!

[thick trout]

No problem 👍

[low rampart]

Is camo really worth it for TDs on Blitz? At the distance I shoot from, most tanks can spot me anyways, the maps aren't big enough for a hidden sniping gameplay.

[candid harbor]

yea, it really helps in setting up ambush

[solid gate]

Make KV-2(R) to WoTB but BP tank, or make on KV-2 attachment like IS-6, that light etc

[hard cedar]

no reason not to use it, at max its 2k coins per battle
are you using camo net? most of the time i dont get spotted too often in tds

[violet timber]

Bushes are your best friend. Get into one and back up a little before you shoot as that increases your camo

[sleek marten]

Mauchen is an OP tank considering it loses the gigantic lower glacias of the VK and keeps some of the decent turret cheeks, the cupola acts as bait to draw fire away from the cheeks allowing to skip most turret angling. In tier 8 battles it is useful to pick a heavy traffic area near where the heavies go and find a piece of cover to hide the lower glacias and cupola. In tier 10 battles it is just a regular heavy with no special armor or hp. Use the 128mm to your advantage with high alpha. You don't need to sit behind cover the entire game but that doesn't mean go all out and expose yourself. Make sure you can find cover to hide behind in case some 15cm guns turn towards you. Finally, your HP. You can tank multiple 15cm gun hits and serve as the tank that rushes in and tanks the shot so the cowards can move in while the enemy reloads. Your HP is meant to trickle to 300 HP by the end of the match. Use it like you use your ammo, don't savor it but don't dump it ineffectively.

[plucky summit]

It's not OP but it's still decent

[sleek marten]

it is OP, one of the best heavies at tier 9 considering you have some shit options to pick from

[plucky summit]

Just because you prefer one tank over the others doesn't make it OP

[sleek marten]

I literally just explained why it is OP, why do you need to start an argument contradicting me if you just wanna say something irrelevant. I provided reasons why it is good and how to play. You just sat back and muttered some nonsense. Do you have the Mauchen?

[plucky summit]

Yes, I've played the Mauschen pre-nerf, it was very strong, but not in deservation of a nerf

[sleek marten]

It is a really good heavy to seal club tier 8 with and hold your own at tier 10, not many guns have the aim necessary to hit the cupola and if they do the damage they do is minimal

[sleek marten]

which nerf exactly are you speaking of (Update wise)

[plucky summit]

The one where they nerfed both VK 100 and Mauschen

[sleek marten]

Very specific wise guy. do you have a year or date?

[plucky summit]

Update 5.4, year 2018 I believe

[sleek marten]

oh well I played Mauchen starting 2019 and it still proves to be a valuable asset of a match. It takes some of the good things from VK (good turret cheeks) and mixes them with the Maus (rear turret) to provide an experience with less skill to achieve the same results which then means the same skill results in better performance.

[plucky summit]

I'm not saying it's bad, it's just not OP

For a tier 9 heavy anyways, the general population of the heavies are cooked a bit too much with HP

[kindred thorn]

you have terrible mobility, and your DPM is bad, like second worst in t9 bad I believe

[plucky summit]

Fun fact in 5.4 they nerfed tier 10 WZ TD from 750 damage to 640

It had the ability to roll HE 1100 on average

[sleek marten]

Not everything is about mobility my guy. Sometimes a good tank just sits there soaking damage and shots from the enemy. I have done this countless times.

[plucky summit]

It is indeed second worst DPM

[wise moth]

Maushcen is pretty eh. There's very little reason to ever play a Mauschen over an E-75

[sleek marten]

Why? because it has better mobility

[plucky summit]

It has better effective armor too, becoming immune to standard T8 shells (ignoring ISU)

Unless they want to gamble their RNG with a small cupola

[spare solar]

Tried that... I get sniped into oblivion in my vk168 by isu etc😂

[hard cedar]

Would running enhanced armor on lorraine prevent 152mm from he-ing your frontal armor?

[plucky summit]

You might as well use the extra HP and just avoid getting shot by 152mm guns in the first place, but I'll crunch numbers

[hard cedar]

thanks

[plucky summit]

There's basically no difference, but when you angle the extremity of the angle you need to make one pike plate HE-resistant is slightly reduced

It should nearly guarantee that ISU-152's CS HE is a gamble on your lower plate

[hard cedar]

alri thanks

[sweet dove]

???

[plucky summit]

Indeed it did

[sweet dove]

what? i don't think it ever did. a 750 alpha td with 268 reload?

[plucky summit]

By calculations, it had a 14.38s reload

[solid gate]

They should remove the spall liner on grille or German tds in the grille line

[sweet dove]

is that pre-release? because the Grille was copy pasted from PC with 750 alpha before as well but that never made it in any version of Blitz

[plucky summit]

Yes, you can see it was test nerfed as a premium

[sweet dove]

i don't think there was ever a 750 alpha 150 mm running around the live version of Blitz. if it did, the comp community would've definitely taken notice

[sweet dove]

it was never a test tank. what likely happened is that the Blitz devs copy pasted the stats from PC and then when they adjusted alpha and dpm (this would be before anyone ever pressed battle with it in their garage, tester or not) Blitzhangar picked that up as a "change". it's what happened with the Grille

[plucky summit]

Fair enough, though it had a modest 3.1k DPM anyways

[noble pilot]

what should my loadout for FV215b 183 be?

[plucky summit]

CS, definitely

[median tree]

Tbh, cs

[noble pilot]

what does CS mean

[median tree]

Calibrated shells

[noble pilot]

k guys, thx

[hollow moth]

No

All you need to know is where to hit, and it's simple

[sleek marten]

Why did you need to ping for that? incompetency is something spread without discrimination in this server. Also, you reason extends to literally every single tank in the game

[hollow moth]

Nope, it does not extend to every tank

Mauschen is a slow heavy with a very average cannon, all it have is armor, HP and a lot of weakspots.
You got cupola, you got lowerplate, you got turret cheeks, you got behind the tracks and if you have a 150mm cannon, you can simply spam HE
(Of if the enemy is noob enough to don't even angle)

Also, nothing said that I can't pung you to answer this message. Is there any rule saying otherwise?@sleek marten

[sleek marten]

Its courtesy to not ping unless you need something. As I said, if you hid the lower plate then you would only need to worry about the cupola. Also, I play it often and I barely get splashed with HE. Could be just me or it could be the fact it is inefficient to spam HE early on in the game and get risk getting spotted for a meager 300 damage

[hollow moth]

Courtesy? I never heard about pinging is related to it.

Lower plate hidden? You still have the turret cheeks (same weakspot of Maus), cupola, behind tracks and if your gun is bug enough then HE is useful

HE isn't inefficient, 300 damage will always be better than 0 damage.
You don't get HE spam because TDs don't need it to most of times, prammo do the work, but if the enemy don't use pramno then it stills make 400 damage

[sleek marten]

You obviously are not on discord for much if you don't understand the common courtesy of not pinging someone just for discussion.

The turret cheeks are pretty strong unless you are facing Tier X TDS and the cupolo is small enough to be jiggled around. Not much goes through the tracks if you are facing forwards but at a weird angle all tanks take damage like that.

Just because it is better than 0 does not make it efficient. A TD is more likely to try to flank you and AP you instead of knocking down all 2.5k hitpoints one HE shell at a time. Prammo is used by everyone and results in pen regardless of the tank. The T92E1 can pen the mauchen easily regardless of the angling with its heat

[hard cedar]

Why don't ppl recommend kran line for beginners? Is it because it's an auto reloader

[hollow moth]

I've been on Discord since 2018 if I'm not mistaken, I still never heard about this courtesy. Is it the a "discord-courtesy-discussion" our Vehicle-discussion?

Nope, those cheeks aren't that strong, a ton of heavies and glass cannons can pen with AP, but if you can't do it, then prammo can

This cupola isn't that small tho, I harldy have problems to hit there, I just jave problems to pen while using low velocity guns

If you angle too much, behind your tracks will be a weakpoits. If you angle too little, the turdet becomes even easier to pen.

Yes, HE is more efficient when you can't pen with AP or may miss/bounce with prammo.
But anyways, a TD is more likely to pen you anyways (instead of flanking), but it can use HE if necessary

Ah, he went away, @sleek marten come here

[hollow moth]

Well, for one simple reason, Kranvagn line in general is slightly hard to play for newbies

[hard cedar]

Aren't they just hulldown heavies tho

[hollow moth]

The tier 5-7 are meds that are slightly bad, mostly Leo

The tier 8 have a good turret and is a good hulldown heavy, bur it punishes the player very harshly for don't do it, same for the tier 9 tho

[sleek marten]

I was here, see you made an effective use of the ping. Good job.
The cheeks are strong. Strong enough to deter most players to aim for them. The cupola is small, a fraction of the size of the turret and asymetrical too. Idk what angling you do or even if you play the mauchen since you must be going horizontal for the tracks to be a viable shot. And HE splashing occurs with all tanks and regardless of the other option is inefficient considering the expected output to be 640

[hollow moth]

Those are just some heavies that can pen without prammo, but all TDs can also do it and a good ammout of prammo of prammo does

Also, cupola isn't small, it's by far one of the biggest cupolas in the game

About the tracks, no comments

[plucky summit]

Ok don't overkill APCR xD

[hollow moth]

Ah yeah, about the HE

Let's imagine that you're in an RHM with 15cm gun, you're imprecise, it's more likely to hit the bottom part of the turret with HE than hit a cupola with AP or a turret cheek with HEAT

[plucky summit]

Hence PC is reworking HE mechanics xD

[hollow moth]

Well, I guess I'm being overkill rn @sleek marten, so yeah, Mauschen isn't op

It's a slightly good tank only because of the heavy meta, but it's an average heavy in general

[hard cedar]

Well isn't the only thing they need to know is just hide the hull

[hollow moth]

Yes, and no. It demands a bit of position awarness to play those tier 5-7 well, but the tier 8-10 is basically this.

[pine canopy]

Do you think the e50m is better than the batchat?

[hollow moth]

They play completely different roles, those tanks can't be compared about "which is better"

But E50M is fairly easier to play

[median tree]

E50m feels like a heavium

[bright sentinel]

Lorraine 40t, or T-54 mod I?

[hollow moth]

I wouldn't buy those, do you considere saving money/gold for an actual useful tank?

[bright sentinel]

I only asked, which one?

[hollow moth]

I'd take T-54 mod 1

[hard cedar]

Lorraine is good if you know what you're doing, mod 1 is powercrept i wouldn't get it

[fast compass]

Lorraine is fun at times although it is one of the hardest tanks to play in the tier or even in the game.

Mod1 is probably a safer choice

[hard cedar]

i dont find lorraine that hard to play it's just a tvp at tier 8

[fast compass]

Well ig that is fair. It has a steep learning curve. Uni and above won't really have many issues.

[hard cedar]

I have a 1600 wn8 and maybe I'm weird but I don't find it super hard to play, only issues i have is when Im dumb and overextend and get killed 30s into the game

[potent galleon]

Should I get the Leopard?

Is it any good? I have been grinding for the Panzer IV G, but I also want the Leopard, what do you guys think?

[hard cedar]

Leo is a fun t5 pen is a bit low though

Imo think long term for the entire line not just the next tank as you'll be getting there sooner or later anyway

[rare ice]

Is the Kv-2 or Kv-1s better?

[solid gate]

Kv-1S

[eternal canopy]

KV-IS is better than KV-2.

[stiff basin]

But KV-2 is more fun

[eternal canopy]

sorry my glasses are foggy

[vale thicket]

turtle

yoh

LT-432

[solid gate]

Lorraine 40 t or t54 mod 1

[plucky breach]

id rather t54

[solid gate]

mmmm but lorraine has more pen and better dpm

[stiff basin]

T54 mod 1 is kinda powercrept, lorraine is good but hard to play, I would choose Lorraine if I should, in my opinion you should wait for something better

[fast compass]

Yeah between the two i would pick Lorraine. It does requires you to be good at this game

[solid gate]

mmmm i am above average by 5% (average being 48% according to blitzstars) so yeah i reckon lorraine

[vale thicket]

vehicles discussion: WG - we will buff the 183
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbxexY25RHc

[worn egret]

Hey, is it just me or you can't add attachment to T-22 anymore. Is is a bug or for real?

[wet shuttle]

is it just me experiencing this when i'm hitting the enemy tank, ricochet the bullet, when my my track is damage there's no crew voice comming out?

[distant nymph]

missing crew voices are a probem everywhere

[pine moss]

yooooooo when chieftain mk6 or m60 coming back?

[ripe hamlet]

M60 Is every chrismast on sale

[pine moss]

bruh

[stiff basin]

is T28 worse than Tortoise tier for tier?

[willow hare]

I think tortoise is better

[stiff basin]

So i won't pay the price for T110E3 then...

[kindred wren]

I too think that the Tortoise is more of a joy to play

[stiff basin]

And what about T95?

[kindred wren]

It’s a matter of how you play it. The tank can bully tier tens without a problem if you play it like a god, but playing it like a god is a lot easier said than done

[stiff basin]

Even if T28 has OP speed boost?

And what about the whole line? Should I grind it through T28 Prot?

[kindred wren]

I don’t really play with the op speed boost, but I think that it doesn’t help the tank much because the armour has significantly large weakspots when people load prammo - large enough to hit reliably even when you use speed boost

Is the tier six the Hellcat or the Jackson?

[stiff basin]

The line looks like this:
hellcat - T25/2 - T28 prot. - T30 - T110E4
Jackson - T25 AT - T28 - T95 - T110E3

[kindred wren]

The Jackson is solid, good dpm, good alpha, okish mobility and good gundepression. It’s not like a complete revelation but it’s decent enough to play tier six relatively successfully

The Hellcat is one of the kings of tier six thanks to the great mobility, dpm, alpha and gundepression

[stiff basin]

I know, but is the T110E3 even worth it? If yes, which line should I go for (Hellcat or Jackson)?

[kindred wren]

T25 AT is one of the good tds of tier seven. It’s somewhat in line with the JagdPanther and as such a very capable machine that can also bounce a few shots when at full gundepression.

The T25/2 is like a medium that traded mobility for the gun. The accuracy is ok, the dpm is good, the turret armour is meh and the mobility isn’t exactly great either. But it’s not awful, you can make it work if you know a thing or two about positioning and second line glass cannons

[thick trout]

E3 is an absolutely brilliant tank, kinda boring to play but a heavy hitting gun with near impenetrable front armour and the speed boost is very effective

[kindred wren]

The T110E3 is one of the best, if not the best tier ten TD and unique in playstyle, I definitely recommend it

[stiff basin]

I know, but T28...

[kindred wren]

E4 has style though 👀

[stiff basin]

i'm not really interested in E4, good grind but tier 10 kinda meh

[kindred wren]

My recommendation is to play both lines because they share a lot of guns, and as such you can ease the grind

[sudden terrace]

cube tank is best

[kindred wren]

Basically you use the E4 techtree to drag the E3 techtree forward

Unless you want to free xp everything, then just go down the E3 line straight

Also, E4 is a blast to play if you are out for some fun, I think you should give it a try at least once

[stiff basin]

Wait, so maybe i'll grind T-28 prot., get top guns and everything, get T28 with top modules already, and it'll be less pain and less free exp spent. I have loads of free exp, so i'll spend that on T95

[thick trout]

I think I went the T28prot route and then switched to the T28 after I got the E4 so I've never actually played the Jackson? It was ages ago but I think it worked pretty well. Oh also T30 is a blast and definitely worth getting

[stiff basin]

and then maybe some day i'll grind E4. (i got hellcat already because it's good)

[rain yarrow]

yeah hellcat is a beast

[stiff basin]

But firstly, i'll grind E5, i'm almost on M103

[kindred wren]

At very least go to the T30 because it makes grinding for the 155mm a lot easier than if you try to get it on the T95

[stiff basin]

Do these lines share some modules? (E5 and Tds)

[kindred wren]

Totally not trying to bait you into falling in love with the T30 and thus indirectly grinding the E4

[kindred wren]

They don’t share the guns (well they do in reality but yolo) but I think some engines might be shared

[rain yarrow]

Hellcat, T30 and T25 AT best American tanks from the whole techtree

[stiff basin]

Oh, now i saw that you need like 120k free exp to get to the top...

[kindred wren]

Yes 👀

Get the T30. Thank yourself later, and if you don’t thank yourself your free xp will

[stiff basin]

Ok, is the second gun on T30 workable?

[kindred wren]

Oh, mind you, the 120mm on the T30 is already researched when you get it because it’s the top gun of the T28 and T28 Prot

(Same for the T95)

[stiff basin]

Ok, now I see. Thanks for all your help, you made me see what do I want now!

[kindred wren]

Let me put it like this: you don’t want to use the 120mm, but thanks to the turret armour and gun depression you are at least not useless

[rain yarrow]

It takes time to get tier 10 when ur a free2play player like myself

[kindred wren]

Yes, I got the Senior Technical Engineer medal completely free to play 😄

[rain yarrow]

Great 😄 how long you been playing for?

[kindred wren]

Almost six years now

[median atlas]

Should i buy the 10.5k gold which have t54 mod and lorranie or just the lorranie

[kindred wren]

Both tanks are not state of the art. Inform yourself what you get into before you buy them, and if you want both after thorough examination buy the bundle, if you want only one buy the one you want

[rain yarrow]

Cool cool. I have played for a long time but I made a new account yesterday so im only tier 6 but soon 7

[kindred wren]

Have fun playing, I still have very fond memories of when I started

Back then when I played my little StuG and Pz IV the tier sevens I faced seemed like gods standing before mortal men XD

[rain yarrow]

xD

Im going for the e4 line first. Im starting from the very top and then ima be working my way down if you understand what im saying

[kindred wren]

Interesting way to go about it

But the E4 is one of my favourite TDs because it is somewhat challenging, but still chilled enough to play it leaned back

(Unlike the FV4005 for instance which requires you to go full tryhard mode)

[rain yarrow]

yeah exactly

Wanna add me? my name is _Free2Play if u wanna add

[kindred wren]

Excellent name
You are on EU?

[rain yarrow]

yes and yes!

[kindred wren]

I don’t play a lot anymore though so I think you won’t see me in the game very often

[rain yarrow]

oh it's okay tho just fun to have eachother added even if we dont get to see eachother

[kindred wren]

I sent you a friend request and a platoon invite (the second was an accident)

[vale thicket]

T28 is OP

[solid gate]

Situational to be exact

[spark basin]

balans

[median atlas]

4k damage
7 kills
1v4
I forgot to turn on replay lol

[left jackal]

Is FV201(A45) worth 3k gold?

[stiff basin]

If you like black prince, then maybe

[median atlas]

Yes

But lorranie is better

[left jackal]

And how can I get that rank to Europe serw on this discord serw, thank yoh

[median atlas]

#surveys

[left jackal]

Thx guys

[median atlas]

Guys ???

[left jackal]

You and this guy

Above you

[median atlas]

Lol, ok

[left jackal]

😂

Thx anyway

[ebon tide]

I just got mauschen. LESS GOOO

[wind burrow]

Ist or E5 ?

Is4 or E5 *

[wet wharf]

IST?

[distant nymph]

how do you play TVP VTU? I just got 17 consecutive defeats

I know it's a supporter but I can't support ppl with 190 alpha and a 7 second reload

[solid gate]

I like how the game knows i don't have this tanks

So what they did is separate it from the bundle offer for me lol

[ebon tide]

Which one of these should I sell for money. I am loosing battles left and rights and need creds and all. Pls ping wen respond

[wet wharf]

You can buy all the pack.

[solid gate]

Problem is
I have 3 of the Valkyria Chronicles tanks

[wet wharf]

Oh... so you want only the avatar?

[lyric oriole]

You should sell none of them and instead play your premium s to make money

[hard cedar]

no, he only wants the vulcan & lupus

[wet wharf]

Oh, now I get it. Yes WoT makes a lot of Ads with all the tanks that you don't have.

[solid gate]

@wet wharf
Nah i want the tanks
Avatars are just a meh thing

[wet wharf]

If you have the money, don't hesitate.

[hard cedar]

dunno bout that

[solid gate]

@ebon tide just sell the ones you don't play much

[ebon tide]

How much does the legendary camo for the maus cost?

Pls ping wen respond

[fast hamlet]

I bought the pack I had the lupos already but I soo wanted the Vulcan,so happy today

[solid gate]

@ebon tide
It cost 2.800 i think

[honest ice]

god the lorraine is epic

speed + autloader lets u keep hitting their weakest links and kick some serious butt

[white sandal]

Looking for a group opinion before I potentially buy: Is the Vulcan any good?

[violet timber]

Last I heard it was just mediocre, but I could be wrong

[woeful crescent]

Is the tiger 1 any good

[violet timber]

Yes, all t7 tech tree heavies are good

[woeful crescent]

Okay thank you

[gentle wasp]

have you forgotten about the IS-2 and AMX M4 45

[white sandal]

dammm i was hoping it would be good cuz it looks sick xD

[violet timber]

The IS-2 and AMX are both good, they are just completely out classed by the sheer power that every other t7 heavy has

[gentle wasp]

if they are good but outclassed by their peers then it sounds like they are bad

[solid gate]

45 is awful

[thick trout]

Wdym no it isn- wait okay yeah it's a T43 with pen and no turret armour or speed or gun handling

[delicate dock]

Lmoa
What site is that, I can't quite remember

[gentle wasp]

blitzstars.com tank compare section

[solid gate]

Is the STG worth it?
Ik the dmg is meh but still
I've seen tanks like that that can be used well in the right hands

Depends on your playstyle

Overall STG is worth it in the right hands, seen players be very good in it time to time

[gentle wasp]

"can be used well in the right hands" is a really generic statement and doesn't really help you.
The tank is simply bad. It may be unique or fun or whatever fans of it want to say but it's just not a good tank.

[solid gate]

I've played the T-34-3 with that gun depression and reload so idk?
I mean I like the tank but it's horrible for brawling

[gentle wasp]

34-3 is better
12.5k gold for a worse version of it is yikes

[honest ice]

can't see how the STG would sidescrape, or exploit its strong turret given its extremely low profile and rear mounted turret.

[solid gate]

So literally the STG is just...bad?

[gentle wasp]

yes. just bad.

[honest ice]

and 180 pen at tier 8, with apcr less than the AP pen of most heavies.. is just complete meme

[hollow notch]

Uniquely bad

[solid gate]

Dam
Well thanks for that i was considering buying to see if it's good

Blitz should really put like a testing thing for new premium tanks before buying it

[kindred thorn]

Russian heavy dpm 😭
Also 12,500 gold for the dumb tank?

[hollow notch]

What's wrong with it

[solid gate]

In PC the STG is surprisingly good in a way?
But here they really nerfed the heck out of it

[honest ice]

yea PC and blitz are almost two different games.

I have the vk75.01k in PC.. and it's so op that blitz has it as a tier 10

[hollow notch]

The stg is a sniper tank on pc. And pc has plenty of places to shipe. Blitz is nothing but brawling

[solid gate]

Yeah ik i can't really compared them
They are 2 different games

But the dmg per min is just...eeeeee

[hard cedar]

A lot of t8 meds/lights have pretty meh pen

[gentle wasp]

STG is on a different level though

[brave night]

stg is epic

[hard cedar]

T54 ltwt t-54 mod1 and t-44 all have worse pen on standard and comparable prammo pen iirc

[stiff basin]

STG is a faster T-34-3 and it has more camo, but worse armour and premium pen

[gentle wasp]

they also have actual accuracy to hit weakspots and better DPM so switching to prammo doesn't hurt as much

[hard cedar]

hm fair ig altho I wouldn't say mod1 dpm is much better

[gentle wasp]

mod1 is also garbage, especially the gun, so you're not proving much

[hard cedar]

true

[clear bobcat]

and mobility

to get to better positions to pen

[tough summit]

Is IS-7 a good heavy to go for?

[clear bobcat]

yeah it is u should go for it

[manic carbon]

.It is overshadowed by IS-4 competitively, but it’s fine and perfectly capable in normal battles

[tough summit]

Alrighty ty

[left jackal]

What is the best offer out of 3 that came today?

[valid cedar]

How good is the mauschen for hulldown?

[low rampart]

The Amx 50 100 seems pretty good, played a few matches in it with the stock gun, had no problems.

[manic carbon]

@valid cedar well it still has the turret cheeks and cupola that people can go for. You really got to wiggle that turret and such otherwise enemies will go through you hulldown anyway

[solid gate]

Are any of the Valkyria tanks worth it? I have separate offers for each of them and I could buy one but don't know if they are good.

[valid cedar]

When i face an enemy to maximise the chance to not get panned should i face my turret directly at them then? Or should i angle it a bit left/right

[manic carbon]

Facing your turret directly will make it easy to go through the cheeks.
Angling turret is fine, but from my experience wiggling helped a bit with the turret.
Just angling is fine for the cheeks but you have that cupola ontop, which won’t benefit from angling the turret.

[valid cedar]

How much do you angle with the mauschen and maus? (In terms of degrees)

[manic carbon]

@valid cedar Mauschen you’re looking at a 30 degree angle or so.
The Maus has much stronger turret sides, and can be angled around 40 degrees

[valid cedar]

I see, ty! And is it the same values for the hull as well?

[sacred trail]

It’s effective since you have some of the same thick armor as the Maus and cover a weak point that the VK 100.01 has, but you still have the cupola on top that acts as a weak spot

[arctic lava]

Bring T49 A back in a Event 👍

[valid cedar]

Which weak point on the vk are u referencing to?

[sacred trail]

The lower weak point being the lower glacis plate between the tracks. It’s evident on every German superheavy. The upper weak points include the cheeks and the cupola.

[frigid quest]

lower plates are the most obvious weakspots in the game

[hard cedar]

tiger 2 moment

[sacred trail]

HEAT moment

[plucky summit]

T95 moment

[valid cedar]

I see what you mean, tysm!

[sacred trail]

Although you could angle to reduce the effectiveness of enemy shots, the cupola and other viewfinders on top are still easy weak spots that can also knock out your viewfinder and/or your commander

Not to mention that most APCR, HEAT, and HESH rounds can rip through frontal armor including the cheeks and lower glacis if normal AP happens to stop it at an angle

[valid cedar]

by cheeks do u mean the area right at the gun on the turret, or the sides of my turret (I.e. if i turned 90 degrees on my turret)

[sacred trail]

Cheeks on the front face on either side of the gun, not the sides of the turret

[spare solar]

How to use the lupus

[sweet dove]

sell the tank and buy a Smasher or Annihilator

[toxic gust]

Guy do you like 0-47 phoenix

[violet timber]

Hull down and side scrape

[inland osprey]

Hmm after some battles in the STB-1 I still feel like the WZ-121 is more comfortable to drive? Idk why tho, maybe I just like high alpha tonks.

or maybe I'm not used to the STB yet

[toxic gust]

I prefer the WZ-111

And celestial

[lyric flume]

How to play t95? Snipe like i did with t28?

[inland osprey]

wait what you snipe with the T28??

[lyric flume]

I was told too

[inland osprey]

Hmm then maybe I'm just not experienced enough
But generally you would want to follow heavy tanks in the T95

[hard cedar]

you're supposed to snipe in a t28?

[spare solar]

Thx

[gentle wasp]

No

[hard cedar]

yea @lyric flume whoever told you that was wrong lol

[toxic gust]

Su it the best sniper

[latent meteor]

Watch how to YouTube videos on it.
Frontline. Drive to front, shoot, wiggle while backing into cover, reload, repeat

[lyric flume]

Ok

[latent meteor]

But be careful you don't get flanked, and make sure to back into a hard surface if they try to circle so you can get out of it.

Good tank though.

[spare solar]

24 bucks for lupus yrs ago 😂

Feels like it been nerfed due tp how it looks on yt

The bullets bounced off the guy in the vid

I spent $10 bucks for it

[brave night]

It doesn’t have armor to frontline

[hard cedar]

Uh it kinda does but also not really

[inland osprey]

Nor does it have the accuracy to snipe effectively

[modern whale]

Can we have PT-76 as a soviet premium tank and yes, this picture is from war thunder but don't band me, I like both games. Btw, what do you think about the camo ? I made it myself 🙂

[hard cedar]

It'll work downtiered

[inland osprey]

T28 is just in a bad state now
Not enough armor, not enough speed, not nearly enough firepower (for sniping)

[spare solar]

If yall seen someone stuck would yall unstick them?

They seen me stuck but kept going

[plucky summit]

Turn sideways

[spare solar]

Tried that

[plucky summit]

F

[spare solar]

I wouldn't be surprised if the other team called my team pathetic for leaving me

I was the heaviest and tankiest one on my team

[solid gate]

And looking at the map you for some reason went bridge kept going on the bridge and then attempted to drop down even though that’s one of the worst positions to get off

[spare solar]

I underestimated the height xd someone asked for help so i took the nearest route

I do regret doing it the part that i don't understand is that my team just left me there

[solid gate]

Looking at the map your whole remaining team was on the bridge or being engaged on the ramps and because the enemy had their whole team there you basically doomed yourself

[brave night]

Called second line

[spare solar]

They was at the bridge with me

By the time i died the whole enemy team was slowly ganging up on me

One tank was too small to help so i do understand with that person

[sweet dove]

basically if you're looking at tier 8 tanks, you ask yourself how would it perform if it comes up against a 252U. if the answer is fire on dpm and kill it, its a great tank. if your best chance is to run away, then you're in a tier 7 no matter what the game says

[strange thicket]

I dunno.
Kinda a wrong way to pick your tanks with.
But anyway 0-47 is meh

[brave night]

Very odd but ok

[frigid quest]

Because tier 8 tanks especially mediums need to have worse dpm than their tier 7 counterparts for some reason

[sweet dove]

Well if you ever play tier 8 one day you’ll run into me, or someone like me, who is in a 252U taking control over the part of the map you’re in. And you better be confident in your choice of tank or have multiple competent teammates around because not even a tier 9 will save you

[brave night]

Imagine seal clubbing t8

[kindred thorn]

credits

[sweet dove]

Thats relative

And also irrelevant, you get entire qt teams whining about that when we play tier 8 but ask any one of them if it changes the result 🤣

[hard cedar]

imo obj is good but not good enough to warrant you to need to counter it specifically

[sweet dove]

Its the best tier 8 tank imo

The only way to really beat one is to play around it or hope its driven by someone that has no clue what they’re doing

The easiest way to explain it is that while it has 2000 dpm against everyone else, everyone else has 0 dpm against a 252U because they can’t pen it at all in the right position

That could be said for a lot of tanks, the difference is how stupid easy it is to pull that off in a 252U and be immune to tier 9 gold

SU-122-54 has what, 4k+ dpm? It has 0 against a tank it can’t pen even with HEAT and the 252 can fire on reload back. So the trade is actually 2000 vs 0.

[kindred thorn]

HE

[sweet dove]

Enjoy 100 damage

[keen garnet]

Barely 100 damage TBH
Unless they're big guns like ISU-152
252U hull is literally stronger than an IS-7

[sweet dove]

They do 100 damage and you hit them back for 420. Great trade lol

[keen garnet]

Mhm xD

[kindred thorn]

Then what about big caliber gun TDs?

[sweet dove]

None have armor. or hp. or the pen actually get through you. 3 shots and they die

T30 takes 4, fine

tier 8 TDs have so little hp its actually more of a disaster than medium tank dpm

SU-152: 1000. ISU-152: 1010.
Sturer Emil: ~1000. Borsig: 1100
T25/2 and T25AT: ~1100. T28 and T28 Proto: 1150.

get one clipped by a Defender

[strange thicket]

I faced multiple obj252u's
It is not invincible.
And i can just play around it, and good luck keeping your position secure without competent teammates to cover you.
At best it is gonna be a draw which is a lose for both.
Also you can counter it in many heavies.
You simply cannot cover yourself from all directions.
So again not really a criteria for picking tanks.
Also your cupolas are ez pen.
Ofc there is a counter for all i said but so is for you. So meh.

[brave night]

Lol

[sweet dove]

If you could face it down and kill it, then you would. If you can’t then you play around it. If you play around it, you’re avoiding it. I hope you have a plan for keeping map control

“You simply cannot cover yourself from all directions” whats your plan for being everywhere at once?

“Cupolas are ez pen” before penning, first you have to hit. Are you willing to sit there and aim long enough to be shot back?

[keen garnet]

^^
The cupolas are small

[brave night]

At close range they aren’t hard to hit with shark and other more accurate guns

[sweet dove]

Arent hard to hit and pen on reload are not the same

[brave night]

Wut

[sweet dove]

Also, thats not the full picture. To aim in fully enough to hit them, you’re going to be sitting still. Which means the 252 can aim in on you too

[brave night]

Another thing is you can easily out dpm it in like every other heavy

[sweet dove]

You have to pen in order to dpm

[brave night]

Yes and I pen

[sweet dove]

And what situations are you in for that to be possible?

[brave night]

It’s pretty easy on city maps when I’m brawling with one lower plate ez if it’s hull down then I’m stupid

[sweet dove]

When it for some odd reason it gives you shots where you can pen on reload. Because its the easiest tank in the tier to bounce with and hide weakspots

[strange thicket]

Sure, i will face it in a tank i am familiar with its armor.
So what are you gonna do? We are gonna sit locking each other out and at that point it is up to whose team over runs the other.
I avoid your part of the map and help my team overrun yours and then it is just a matter of rushing.
Or i can let you deal with someone and then take shots on you.
I am just listing possible scenarios which vary depending on the map.
Good luck doing every of the mentioned above at once.
Map control? You are only controlling your part.
I can also get up close and abuse your weakspots especially if i am taller or can see your lower plate.
I am having a hard time figuring why you think it is absolutely invincible.
Unless you are playing with doodoos.
And other classes not being able to face a heavy alone is normal since like. It is a heavy meta? And these apply to other heavies as well?

[brave night]

252u is still cracked tho

[strange thicket]

Never said it wasn't lmao

[brave night]

Just it’s armor bit overrated

[kindred thorn]

Bruh its front pikenose is great

[brave night]

Never said it wasn’t

[strange thicket]

Also your cupolas aren't some is3 cupolas.
Relatively easy to pen.
And if you pen me back then it is just trading.
But if i am in a tank with good armor good luck hitting my weak spots with your accuracy.

[sweet dove]

1. thats a draw, not a win
2. you’re assuming the 252 to be idle
3. thats a 2v1, you’re assuming 252 is alone whole youre not for some odd reason
4. thats only true in 1v7
5. easier said than done, otherwise we wouldnt be having this conversation obviously
6. i play against people much better than you, not to worry about that
7. no, it does not apply to other heavies.

[sweet dove]

1. if you can hit.
2. 420 alpha is quite good
3. your tank with armor also has great accuracy?

You’re taking everything individually without seeing the bigger picture

[strange thicket]

I said it is a draw. Lose for both.
No, lmao. I am not assuming it to be idle. I am saying no one can do anything so unless you wanna waste your time.
If you change your attention and move to another side then i don't see the problem, your team mates are there we can take care of them that is assuming we absolutely cannot pen you which is not the case.
Yeah you have your team, doesn't mean shots cannot be taken at you from different areas of the map.
Also my point was you cannot block from all directions and if you are distracted then shots can be taken at you that is even if your team mates are there. It is not impossible lmao.
About the rushing thing that is not even what i said but sure.
For 5, sure same applies to what you said. Never said it is easy.
For 6, whateven does that has to do with anything lmao.
For 7, yes it applies for other heavies. With the recent HP buff no med or light or td can take on a heavy alone which is basically what your original criteria is.
They are not hard to hit, hence why i said it is not some is3 cupolas.
Ok 420 alpha is good and? 3 shots for 3 that is a big chunk of your hp gone.
Depends on what you define great armor as, but there is definitely tanks out there with armor that works and also good-average accuracy. Not laser.
I am not taking anything individually unlike your take which is strictly subjective and limited to a set of scenarios.

[latent meteor]

Haha.
Dragon been to 4 straight twister cups and you fellas are trying to keep discussing this? Good one.
Hey, if you want, grab a tr, let him get in a 252 and face off against you and tell me how it goes

[white river]

what's this owo

[kindred wren]

A statement is true or false regardless who makes it.

But I agree with Dragon because an Object 252U is an excellent match-influencer. It naturally isn’t dominating every other tank, that’s not the question, but it’s the best at denying pushes, trading shots when dug in and enforcing map control.
Aside from this profound impact on match development is that the combination of outstanding armour and good enough firepower and mobility makes it stronger than most tanks it will face on a one-on-one basis, giving it another edge over tanks competing for the spot of being the best tier eight tank.

However, having that potential doesn’t mean that it’s used; many just assume the Object 252U is your typical rushing Russian heavy and thus overexpose the lower plate weakspot (and they are reasonably effective like that). In the end, the effectiveness always depends on how the player uses the tank, and how much the tank suits the player’s playstyle. So while ot’s fair to call the Object 252U the best tier eight tank because it certainly has the potential to do that, I understand why one might not follow that point of view because the full potential of the tank is rarely realised

[rigid thunder]

Looks to me like you're the one creating the specific scenarios though?

[strange thicket]

Reread what he and i said, i just mentioned common possible general scenarios.
There is a lot of variables to consider.

[strange thicket]

Eh, i would get annihilated.
I am a casual player and just discussing my point of view.
And it wasn't even about stats. Although some implications were made.

[valid cedar]

which one should i get first: the Chi-ri tracks or engine?

[fast compass]

Tracks then engine

[valid cedar]

Ight ty!

[kindred thorn]

Always get tracks last

[stiff ivy]

Guys, so what should i buy for E75 first?

[kindred thorn]

turret and t10 gun
dont play e75 without the fully upgraded gun

[stiff ivy]

Ty Ty, I'll keep that on mind

[kindred thorn]

yeah cause otherwise you will struggle against enemy t10 heavies

[valid cedar]

is it safe to say that if ur whole team got wiped out but the last tank standing is a heavy tank at full hp, he was prob camping and not doing his job?

[thick trout]

Sometimes you get caught in a bad position and don't get focused until last so end up in that position while trying to do well but generally I'd agree with that

[brave night]

Most of the time other than heavies that are meant to second line conq, t57, 50b etc

[valid cedar]

i see, yea that happened a few times today ig

[opal kindle]

50B second line? Pffffffff

[lyric oriole]

No, tracks are a higher priority over 90% of engines

[fast compass]

Yes