vehicles-discussion

[hollow notch]

give the bdr it's old viewrange

This is a funny joke because weegee actually did introduce it with a broken viewrange

[dry talon]

It looked like it hit the lower plate, how do I pen this next time?

[clear bobcat]

I think ur bullet hit the top and not the lower plate, or thee lower plate got angled last second

[dry talon]

perhaps

[brave night]

Yes

[plucky summit]

I had the IS in mind 😅

Then again there’s Tankenstein

[neat nimbus]

Men I'm getting tired of seeing crates in the store and no even a single decent tank in the store

I better save that gold when something cool comes

[gentle wasp]

the m4 rev popup is a great deal if you got that

[plucky summit]

👀

[kindred thorn]

3 second aiming time???
1950 HP?

[plucky summit]

Feels necessary for the autoloader

Tier 8 heavy :3

[hard cedar]

Tier 8 that can't be penned with below 240 mm even on lower plate??

[plucky summit]

There’s a spot under 220mm

[kindred thorn]

max hp a t8 heavy has is like 1900 and thats vk 100 i think
nope vk 168 has 1950
but vk 168 doesnt have 2400 dpm

[hard cedar]

I mean the vk 100 lower plate can be penned with 175mm

[plucky summit]

If you’re gonna be picky for a tier 8 LFP see VK 72.01 K.png

Anyways I balanced it to the regard of it being just released in a line, later to be tuned out

[hard cedar]

only real problem i have with it is it sorta makes the emil 1 irrelevant, compared to this only advantage emil 1 has is better dep angle

[plucky summit]

And an extra shot in the clip

And more effective turret armor

Also I don’t balance tanks as if they have any OP consumables

[gentle wasp]

you're better than WG already

[plucky summit]

I uh, s u r e

[gentle wasp]

:)

[kindred thorn]

bruh it has like 30 degree tank turn rate
for a fat heavy

[hollow notch]

What, the hp pool is too small? Just make them spend credits on sandbags

[plucky summit]

There will also be no OP provisions

Oh and if you wanted a balanced tank, then here

[hard cedar]

Hmmm

[kindred thorn]

oh so you are making troll op tanks

[plucky summit]

Nah someone had requested a blatantly OP tank, this is my first

[hard cedar]

I c

[gentle wasp]

vipAP
🤣

[plucky summit]

😉

[kindred thorn]

vipAP cost irl money

[plucky summit]

As I was drawing this, I was constantly thinking about a script along the lines of the MS-10 video

“It’d be unfair if we gave it 2.3 seconds of reload time, the Churchill I’s stock gun has only 2.2!”

“Why use lower plates? Just make it more tracks, more tracks, the more mobility it gets!”

“C’mon, every tank in the game that has a cupola has been destroyed, they shouldn’t have one, so this won’t!”

[hollow notch]

@plucky summit but what is the reverse speed?

[plucky summit]

Enough.

It’s 30

[quiet heart]

does anyone else think the batchat should get a buff to its reverse speed. Especially since you should reverse out of cover in the batchat thanks to its rear mounted turret

[pliant lodge]

Pls buff Foch armor. It has two easy to hit hatches. Gun is meh as none are scared of it. Hull trev is meh, meds can easily circle you. Camping is not really great as you only have a 460 alpha. Overall, bad or just extremely hard to use

[lyric oriole]

Armor is not the issue, the 560 AP alpha is the issue

[pliant lodge]

460 Foch tier 9. Wait you meant alpha as in max roll?

[lyric oriole]

The armor is fine

[pliant lodge]

I really dislike the armor. Everyone spams gold at me, regardless.

[lyric oriole]

That's 20% less damage incoming then

What's the complaint?

[pliant lodge]

@lyric oriole the point is that I'm taking damage I can't afford. Since I onyl have 1500 HP.

[lyric oriole]

Why are you not playing long range

[pliant lodge]

It's trash sitting in the back with 460 alpha trying to snipe.

[kindred thorn]

with an 8 second reload

[plucky summit]

@pliant lodge alpha is the damage value before armor penetration and damage is calculated

I think 😭

[pliant lodge]

It would be different if it had 640 alpha. THEN I would feel better camping.

[lyric oriole]

I'm really lost on where you think foch has 460 alpha

It's 400

[pliant lodge]

@lyric oriole fine. Average damage.

[lyric oriole]

It's a med support

[kindred thorn]

you have an 8 second reload man

[lyric oriole]

6.9 even with rammer and provisions

[pliant lodge]

Meh. I just get circled when my meds die. And everything goes through my hatches.

[kindred thorn]

yeah it is kinda weird why foch 155 does not have a usual 150-152mm alpha

[pliant lodge]

@kindred thorn would be kinda broke with a higher alpha?? Idk

[lyric oriole]

Why are you frontlining

I said support

Not yolo

[pliant lodge]

I don't yolo. But I just can't get effective due to the low damage per shot.

Sure I can shoot from someones mistake, but most people know that I am there and avoid me.

[plucky summit]

only due to low damage per shot?

[pliant lodge]

@plucky summit If the Foch got more armor that I can confidently rely on. Then I wouldn't feel need for higher alpha. But because it has no sidearmor and 2 easy to hit weakspots. The gun sorta disappoints me

[plucky summit]

Dang like every other tank, two obvs weakspots

[pliant lodge]

@plucky summit a massive hammer head, and a 2nd head.

[plucky summit]

The hammer head baits shots at least

[pliant lodge]

They still focus it. Which is the issue. They'll eventually pen me. It's not a reliable bait

[brave night]

Just second line smh

[pliant lodge]

The only baiting move I can do in Foch is frontscraping. Hoping they'll shoot the mantlet.

[plucky summit]

Hey, Obj. 268 has a similar issue

[brave night]

268 has alpha tho

[pliant lodge]

I also have issues with the bad sidearmor. Most shots that hits my tracks goes straight into my hull even if I angle ever so slightly. So angling is close to impossible

[plucky summit]

Yeah but not as advantageous in tier 10 as Foch in tier 9

[brave night]

Hmmm but it is a fear factor

[pliant lodge]

7 second interclip is a setback

[brave night]

268 doesn’t have a 7 sec interclip last time I checked

[plucky summit]

They mean Foch 155

[brave night]

I c

[kindred thorn]

which foch are you talking about? 120 or 155

[brave night]

Which Foch has a 7 sec interclip @kindred thorn

[plucky summit]

Foch - IX
Foch 155 - X

[kindred thorn]

155

[brave night]

I know what it is I was just answering your question with a question

[pliant lodge]

@brave night I said 155 .-.

[brave night]

This confused me

[pliant lodge]

I never mentioned Obj 268.

[brave night]

Read this @pliant lodge I was replying to @plucky summit

[plucky summit]

@pliant lodge
Foch does 400 average damage
Foch 155 does 545 average damage

At least around 540, mm

[brave night]

560*

[plucky summit]

Yeah, that

[pliant lodge]

I meant this. I thought you meant that Foch 155 had a fear factor

[brave night]

I mean it kinda does

[pliant lodge]

I said that the 7 sec interclip is a setback t Fcoh 155

[plucky summit]

A setback from being cracked 😏

[brave night]

Meh maybe a buff to 5 sec

[static harness]

5s would make it pretty damn strong

[brave night]

Hmmmm but not broken as the size, armor, and no turret still hold it back

[pliant lodge]

Foch 155 can push because of a 1200 clip

[brave night]

1120*

[pliant lodge]

Foch 120 can't. Because it does the same amount of damage as most tier 8 heavy tanks does. Nothing is scary about Foch 120

I also dislike the amount of HP it has. The tank is big and has miserable amounts of HP.

[plucky summit]

@pliant lodge nothing scary about Conway then, huh?

[brave night]

Jag tiger sucks then

[static harness]

Foch 120 has about 3.5k dpm without adrenaline
Your point being?
Thats enough to gun down anything in your sight

[pliant lodge]

@plucky summit never said that

[plucky summit]

Hi

Oh, my point was that Conway has a measly 400 alpha

[pliant lodge]

@plucky summit 540 with the top gun...And 670 with HESH.

[wise moth]

Foch tier 9 is pretty fun as a sniper, since it can shred things down with the DPM, and at range, it's quite tough to pen

[plucky summit]

600

[static harness]

Foch gets 5.8 secs reload with adrenaline has about 300mm upper plate goes 50kmh and is heavy
Great assault tank.

[pliant lodge]

@static harness great for shreding tier 8 tanks. Until tier 10 tanks comes.

[plucky summit]

Foch = tweaked autoloading Obj. 268, change my mind

[static harness]

It's basically the same as a foch 155 just with penable weakspots

[pliant lodge]

Foch 120 is great against tier 8 tanks. But terrible against tier 10 tanks.

[plucky summit]

Wow, that's kinda how tier 9s are supposed to work

[static harness]

That's kinda how the game works

[pliant lodge]

Some tanks are just worse to use against tier 10 tanks. For me it's the Foch

[plucky summit]

Mmk

[static harness]

yeah because it can actually hit things, not like the 155

[pliant lodge]

@static harness for a miserable 400 damage

[static harness]

And 7 secs reload

[plucky summit]

Like many other tanks? (400 damage)

[pliant lodge]

You rarely get good damage in Foch @static harness doesn't help. You'll have to find someone whos going alone

[kindred thorn]

guys su 122 54 is not good at all its trash 😢 only 420 AP alpha

[static harness]

What the hell are you saying
You can literally win 1 vs 3s in that thing just because of the combination of speed armor and dpm

[pliant lodge]

@kindred thorn way better DPM than Foch. Better mobility. Smaller.

[plucky summit]

😂 he's joking guys, chill

[pliant lodge]

Foch has some DPM. Period. That's it

[plucky summit]

3475 DPM is very solid, ok?

[static harness]

Alright
I'm out

[pliant lodge]

@plucky summit how often can you even use that DPM? Almost never

[plucky summit]

Alike SU-122-44

Y'know, that's a problem on all tanks

[pliant lodge]

@plucky summit SU has speed. Can get around faster than Foch can. It can helps meds way better than what a Foch can do.

[wise moth]

Foch has some extra armor, and an extra degree of gun depression

[plucky summit]

Indeed it does, but it faces more of a challenge bouncing shells vs Foch, as well as requiring a more dangerous nature to use its DPM efficiently

[pliant lodge]

@wise moth. It has no good role

If I camp I get little damage. If I push with meds/heavies I die but I might get good damage.

[plucky summit]

Secondline support OP

[wise moth]

Foch obviously is not the best tank in the class, but it can still be pretty fun. Here's a fairly typical game I just played in mine today, which more or less shows its best use on the field. Sniper at first, and then it can push stuff later

[pliant lodge]

Meh. Needs HP buff

[plucky summit]

The fact this mans unironically played a Foch game today.

@pliant lodge nah, heavies need HP nerf ;)

[pliant lodge]

When I first got Foch I thought It looked like the perfect brawling tank. It is in a 1v1. But as soon as it's a 1v2. Forget it

[static harness]

What
You don't play fochs daily?

[pliant lodge]

Wish they could just give the 120 better alpha damage.

[solid gate]

It already has normal 120 damage

[pliant lodge]

It's a pain to constantly peek, while having a chance of getting shot.

[static harness]

Personally I'd just buff tanks like 252u progetto 46 etc

[pliant lodge]

Sure? Obj 252u kinda outdated ._.

[kindred thorn]

252u is the best of the is3 copies

[pliant lodge]

Facts. Gun could be better though. It's best for facehugging and sidehugging. Where disperion and aim time doesn't matter that much

[static harness]

Now I'm certain that he's trolling

[pliant lodge]

No.

I mean that Foch is bad.

[plucky summit]

T-2020 is nice, pre-buff too ;)

[static harness]

And I mean that you are trolling

[pliant lodge]

In what way?
Foch has no main role that it does well in.

[plucky summit]

Main role be secondline support

[pliant lodge]

Yeah. Too bad it performs meh at it

[plucky summit]

Must be too bogged down by tier 10s

[pliant lodge]

I love the Foch at tier 8. When you can trust your frontal armor more than in tier 10. I need to play super careful at tier 10. Compared to tier 8

[plucky summit]

Like most tanks ._.

[pliant lodge]

Laughs in AMX 100 50

[plucky summit]

AMX 50 100 or AMX 50 120?

[pliant lodge]

50 100 and 50 120

Foch at tier 9 is decent. It's when it hits tier 10 I get nervous. It's okay at tier 9 and tier 8. It's just that it doesn't perform too good in tier 10 battles.

[plucky summit]

Ah yes, no need to worry about armor at tier 7, 8, and 9 because there is none xD

[pliant lodge]

Meh, Foch armor at tier 10 is not really the reliable part of it

[plucky summit]

Pretty sure all tier 9s lose their armor flex in tier 10

[pliant lodge]

So that makes tier 9 vs tier 10 unfair? 🤔 Like more than just being a tier lower

[plucky summit]

Well no, it's necessary to let armor lose its effectiveness as tiers go up with the same tank

[pliant lodge]

@plucky summit You're not wrong with the fact that tanks chance by a lot when they go from tier 9 to tier 10. Like tier 4 to tier 5

[plucky summit]

Like tier n to tier n + 1 ._.

[brave night]

Like tier 0 to 1

[valid cedar]

When u get 11 out of 12 matches with t10s as a t9 (me rn) it sucks af

[solid gate]

Low tiers are a mess compared to high tier

[brave night]

Like tier 10 to 11

[pliant lodge]

Tortorise to 183, Su-122-54 to obj 263, Foch to 155, IS-8 to IS-7, Tier 9 Patton to tier 10. And ect ect. Big difference

Big TonkTonk

[plucky summit]

This "big" difference is relatively needed to keep tier 10 as the top dogs

It would be a middle finger to WG if the professional teams on streams won against a full tier 10 team with one or two tier 9 tanks

Implying balance defects, hence the tiers stay separated substantially

[pliant lodge]

You think implementing a BR system like in War Thunder would make things better???

[static harness]

I don't even mind it anymore (being low tier)
It would just be nice for our toptiers to have a brain at least

[plucky summit]

Too complicated, and balance shifts would devastate the game

As well as having to change the whole system of tiers in the first place

[pliant lodge]

Would be kinda nice tho. Like a BR system with a -1 +1 MM

[solid gate]

That’s just basematchmaker

[pliant lodge]

Would probably be better than what we currently have?

[plucky summit]

Sadly, not so

[solid gate]

No? 1+1 is perfect the game used to use 2+2 which was an utter nightmare for older beginners

[pliant lodge]

@solid gate Oh. I meant like tier 1 -1,3 - 1,5 - 1,7 - 2. Like that for example Idk

[solid gate]

What’s the point of making a bunch of a separate tier classes for few tanks if the games meant for a mobile player base

[pliant lodge]

not like that's gonna take up 1GB of your space.

However, I think that system would be better before the 5.5 update. Because there were more tanks.

[plucky summit]

Yeah there's probably not enough tanks to split into subtiers

[pliant lodge]

Ya, anyways imma continue to try to play Foch. I'll save it when I have a toon m8 probably...

[plucky summit]

Mmk

[solid gate]

Space isn’t even what I’m referring to
I’m saying the game both has no time for that and that is not a time efficient match maker at all

[latent hemlock]

Did I miss the nameless this month? I'm on a mission to collect the mixed nation tanks

[brave night]

Pc player coming through

[safe token]

Hi! I have a question, what do you all think about T-2020?

[frank flicker]

not the best tank

but the worst either(bruh why 30s slow mode)

[safe token]

For flooding i guess

[neat nimbus]

men crates again

[brave night]

Good upper plate and the turret is good against standard rounds but suffers again the prem over all prob a is5 level heavy

[neat nimbus]

well hope see something cool coming into the store

[plucky summit]

@safe token I love my T-2020, pre-buff, scored a 5k kolobanovs

[inland osprey]

Hmm more hp or enchanced armor on the STB-1?

[plucky summit]

HP, there's almost no benefit from armor

[keen garnet]

HP

[inland osprey]

hmm I might experiment around a bit, but thanks for the advice

[winter oar]

I was just watching Movies Clips of Company of Heroes and I bumped into this tank. I really don't like how it looks tbh. But Ik that germany captured other tanks.

[fluid parrot]

T92 looks sexier with return wheel

[solemn sun]

Isn't that the Hungarian or Romanian version of the Jagdpanzer 38 (t)?

[solid gate]

Maresalu M5 Romania tank

Is not jagdpanzer

[solemn sun]

But is it an adaption of the Jagdpanzer 38 (t)?

[solid gate]

No

Tacam t60

[neat nimbus]

ugh a harsh night

[solid gate]

What

[neat nimbus]

i should take a break until i dont see crates often

[solid gate]

😑

[neat nimbus]

kinda loose motivation just by seein crates and tthe event of the wz doesnt help much

[solid gate]

R4 Tank romania

[solid gate]

Panzerkampgwagen Ausf. T-34-85?

[solid gate]

I would like to come back on the comparison e100 / Maus, I don't think maus is better than e100. Ok armor is really good and that is impressive how much you can bounce, but can a tank only rely on its armor ?
The e100 has far enough armor if you want to sidescrap. The mobility on maus is bullshit. And what about the gun? I think this is why I prefer the e100 to the maus. The maus has a impressively bad gun while the e100 has a really better gun and has a incredible alpha damage for a heavy tank. To conclude maus has good armor but gun and mobility are so bad compared to e100

[solid gate]

If you’re going to try to phrase your argument in a philosophical form do it better, you implicitly imply that the maus is unable to sidescrape when it is able to, and is its primary strategy, and when you state the reasons for having a better gun you fail to prove why the e100 has a better gun and instead just push forward the statement that “e100 gun good”, and the statement that the maus has terrible mobility is true, but the e100’s mobility isn’t any better either. Furthermore, you phrase everything in Denying the Antecedent, which is an invalid argument form.

If A then B
Not A.
Therefore not B

If maus has good gun, maus good
maus bad gun
Therefore maus not good

it’s an invalid argument form because you can’t assume the fact that the tank is bad purely on the gun alone, when it has other abilities that allow you to consider it better than the e100, it has a shorter reload, more hp, better turret and smaller lower plate, and the fact that tournament players use the maus instead of an e100 should already make it clear that it is more meta

[thick trout]

This should tell you enough ^

[solid gate]

I think you didn't understand what I said. I didn't say maus was bad, I said that according to me e100 was better. I didn't say maus was not able to sidescrape, I said e100 has far enough armor. The mobility is 20 km/h for maus and 30 km/h for e100, there is a real difference And the e100 gun is good because of two things; the alpha and the pen ( compared to maus) . Maus is not bad. I compare that is all.
So don't go too fast, I prefer e100 and I explain why.
Please let this discussion be calm. I remind you we are talking of a game.

[candid harbor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/502018644193181706/777868596995031061/IMG_20200323_160056.jpg

idk mate, you can bounce pretty good

[brave night]

Maus has a much less vulnerable turret because you can angle them better plus has smaller cheeks and lower plate. The gun is what holds the maus back. As well as the 25 top speed but therefore it gets to that top speed quicker

Also I think e100 p/w ratio is worse

[brave night]

Preference is placed solely on opinion. If you want a better gun on a super heavy then ofc your fav would be e100. There isn’t much room for discussion if it’s why you prefer but maus is doing better statistically

[compact lantern]

Chaffee most underrated tier 6 lt yes or no?

[manic carbon]

Honestly for how much armour and HP the maus gets, the mobility isn’t totally bad

[solid gate]

in fact if the maus wasn't that slow it would be odd

[plucky merlin]

121b burns too fricking often

[solid gate]

Yeah it is a shame for a premium X tank

[wicked eagle]

Any tips when it comes to Jagdtiger?

[brave night]

Dpm use shoot gun aim shoot again aim shoot again get pramo spammed at you

[solid gate]

why the side armor so fluffy ?

😔

[kindred thorn]

British heavy, trades armor for dpm

[eternal copper]

.

[neat nimbus]

is the AMX CDC available to buy?

[brave night]

Not rn

[ashen pendant]

if you have a nintendo switch it is

[neat nimbus]

Dang WG likes to troll anyone

[ashen pendant]

lol

[neat nimbus]

Well save gold again so something coo can come to the store

[valid cedar]

How good are both the American hts?

[kindred thorn]

e5 is a good heavy for starters, t57 has bad armor but does like 1200 damage in like a few seconds with its autoloader, so its a bit harder to play

[stiff basin]

Go for E5, it's a good heavy but it's actually a medium

[kindred thorn]

heavium

[hollow notch]

E5 is a slug. Not nearly medium mobility

[valid cedar]

A heavium as in armour or mobility?

[kindred thorn]

yeah but it has decent speed like is8/7

[hollow notch]

Only when it drops the super consumable, otherwise it has poor mobility

[keen garnet]

IS-7 always has that superior mobility
E5 only does that on the improved speed boost

[plucky rain]

If a tank has a weak ammorack, which one is a better equipment for it, improved modules or defense system?

[plucky summit]

I use defense system, but improved modules might work better against the big guns

[winter rover]

How to play fv215b?

[plucky summit]

Assort yourself into situations where you can use your DPM, and not get shot back, like near teammates when a brawl breaks out, reactive armor to preserve yourself

[winter rover]

Ok

What about the equipment loadout?

[plucky summit]

I use gun rammer, that's it for me, I gotta buy more stuff xD

[low rampart]

Why buy equipments when you need credits to buy more tanks. It would take prob 10 million to equip my garage.

[plucky summit]

Well yeah

[low rampart]

Except for the reload equipment, that is a must for every tank, and the camo when the tank could become invisible by it.

[hollow notch]

Vstab is a very important piece of equipment, and I highly recommend getting it on as many tanks as you can

[pliant lodge]

mmmmmm a yolo BC comes at me in Foch and reks me.

[manic carbon]

@winter rover don’t be hesitant to go with your meds.
It has the mobility and DPM to do it. The armour will fare better against medium tanks as well

[solid gate]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/835549400364613683/835598338488402011/20210425_022755.jpg?width=840&height=472 How to get this cute tonk

[bright robin]

Majic

[gentle wasp]

it's a test tank right now, it will be a new tech tree line in 8.0

[solid gate]

Bruh

[bright robin]

They be testers

[static harness]

Man these things look worse every time I see them

[bright robin]

what

[solid gate]

It really op

[static harness]

They're strong alright
But more ugly than I am
And that's something

[bright robin]

Ehhhh, I shot through it front using Kranvagn

[gentle wasp]

well yea it's probably going to get nerfed pre release and then an update or two later

I penned it so it's not OP

[bright robin]

Ha, but no it did clip me afterwards, made me angry I got to half health that quickly

[kindred thorn]

ok imo su 100 is just kinda hot garbage

[brave night]

i killed a yoh its balanced

[bright robin]

ok, I almost killed one, but then an enemy IS 8 shot me

[static harness]

Guys
I penned a is4
It obviously needs a buff!

[bright robin]

Ok

[kindred thorn]

only yoh i encountered had droodles driving it

[bright robin]

Did you die?

[static harness]

Also 900 dmg in 1.5 secs with 265 pen and American gun handling and turret
Go home t57
Who needs you

[bright robin]

T 57 is good because it has weird armour and quick burst.

[kindred thorn]

yeah first time i saw it ig

[static harness]

The only armor you have is upper turret
Would would I play 57 if I can play yoh

[bright robin]

oof

[brave night]

i lost against a 168 it needs a nerf

[pliant lodge]

Please buff Obj 140s turret. Got golded twice by a AMX 30 B. Close to my mantlet and one on the top of my turret.

[static harness]

That what gold can do.

[bright robin]

I just want my AMX 50 B to have better armour

[solid gate]

It’s a French tank it doesn’t have any

[hollow notch]

Uhhh...

[pliant lodge]

@static harness yeah, my entire turret becomes useless as soon as gold is aimed at me

[brave night]

wow its not like thats like what pramo does

[static harness]

Angery foch noises

[bright robin]

But the Foch 155 and the AMX M4 45 mle. BDR G1 B, ARL 44, AMX 40 and AMX M4 54 mle.

[pliant lodge]

@brave night almost the entire turret You tihnk T-62As turret is easy to pen with gold? No

[brave night]

m4 54 got armor

[hollow notch]

Bat chat has armor

[bright robin]

A bit

[static harness]

The amount of shells I bounced in my BC
I could play maus and get less dmg blocked

[solid gate]

Those are separate if you bothered to even look or read into the Lorraine or AMX 50 or Bat chattlione family vehicles you’d know they were not meant to have armor nor could they hold it

[icy scroll]

is this image real? a guy sent me saying that at the end of 2018 they had them in the game

[gentle wasp]

it's not real and never will be

[solid gate]

It’s fake because you can see actual sunlight reflecting off the back of the turret...

[icy scroll]

got it, thanks for answering

[brave night]

looks too good for blitz

[static harness]

If WG needs money we will get the type as a t10 collectors tank
Just wait -.-

[pliant lodge]

@icy scroll edited. Can see the texture

[bright robin]

Plus they said Jap heavies "too good" for this game

[brave night]

their too big not too good

[static harness]

Yes.

[pliant lodge]

Type 5 Heavy wouldn't really be broke. It only has 2 HE shells. One with high penetration and one with low penetration. It also features a long reload with slow mobility

[brave night]

they are bigger

[solid gate]

They never said “too good” they said too big

[bright robin]

Oh ok

[lyric oriole]

@bright robin don't refer to them as "Japs" it's a no-no here

[bright robin]

But is quicker for typing, and it not really that wrong

[icy scroll]

I got it, thanks

[brave night]

it can be received in the wrong way

[pliant lodge]

Is Korean now bad to say?

[static harness]

Everything can
Just look at twitter

[lyric oriole]

Just don't in the future, not everyone knows and that's why I told you

[bright robin]

Aw ok

Is it because some think that the word Japs is offensive?

[kindred thorn]

i mean during ww2 it was used in a pretty racist way

[pliant lodge]

True. But it was used before the Americans used it to harass

[bright robin]

Nice one

[calm drum]

AMX 50 B#6729 has been warned.

Zis (Marius)#4471 has been warned.

[pliant lodge]

Yikes

[static harness]

Had it coming

[bright robin]

Ok

So I guess dont talk

[brave night]

just dont say it

[static harness]

I mean
The game is basically pg12
But the rules are for 0 and below

[bright robin]

But dont worry, that was not my most evil joke, I got tons dark jokes
That is a statment, dont warn me

[plucky summit]

Don't.

[static harness]

you better not

[lyric oriole]

And there are tons of other places where you can tell them, here is not one of them.

[bright robin]

Huh, good job, nice counter

[plucky summit]

Mayo OP

[pliant lodge]

@lyric oriole not like there's a rule against that :v

[lyric oriole]

Care to elaborate?

[pliant lodge]

What people see as nothing, others sees it different.

[static harness]

Yeah, but

[bright robin]

Ok
Fun Fact: The P.1500 monster was another German Wonder Weapon

[static harness]

So basically
Depending on the person
Good luck surviving

[bright robin]

I also have a question
Do any of you think the P.1000 Ratte of the P.1500 Monster would be good if it was used?

[brave night]

they wouldnt be able to even run

[pliant lodge]

@bright robin not really. Allied forces had air superiority. So a bomb would be the end to it

[static harness]

Yeah because they have no legs

[gentle wasp]

dad joke op

[bright robin]

But the P.1500 Monster was to have amazing range, so it could have fired from heavily defended areas

[kindred thorn]

at what time would it be introduced?

[bright robin]

Early on in the war, this is a big "if" question

[kindred thorn]

WEll germany lost the war the moment they started it imo

[lyric oriole]

The issue was overextending

Spread way too thin

[kindred thorn]

But at that rate why not use gustav/dora instead
gustav has more range lol

[pliant lodge]

@bright robin Idk if you saw my message. But the allied forces had a big bomb called "Tall Boy". A pretty solid bomb for smashing bunkers. The P.1500 and the Ratte would suffer from low speed. Making it an easy target for allied bomber planes.

[brave night]

if they invaded russia maybe they would be sitting on like half of europe

[lyric oriole]

@bright robin don't go into touchy subjects please

[bright robin]

Ok

[kindred thorn]

anyways it was impossible for germany to win ww2 after september 1st 1939 imo

[bright robin]

But the P.1500 Monster would be behind heavily defended axis areas, with AA guns

[pliant lodge]

The first mistake was the failed capture of Stalingard and that Itler decided to go for the rich oil fields instead of focusing on the city.

@bright robin Only one bomb and the tank is knocked down.

[lyric oriole]

AA guns at the time were more of a "hope we hit" weapon

So not very effective

[bright robin]

Oh

[kindred thorn]

the first mistake was starting the war without proper resources, manpower, or industry to effectively beat the allies and the soviets

[pliant lodge]

Allied could also jsut fly higher than the AA could hit. @bright robin

[bright robin]

Least the P.1500 had the Gustav Cannon mounted on it

[kindred thorn]

if the german high command listened to their logistics officers they wouldve never invaded the ussr

[lyric oriole]

Now if it were american aircraft, it wouldn't do so hot, the genius engineers reinforced the armor on the planes on the parts that planes that returned had been damaged like the wings and all the non-essential parts

@pliant lodge can you stop talking about "him"

[kindred thorn]

Yeah, except that the uhh guy had wrote and spoken about how horrible the ussr was before, and how he wanted to invade it as a primary goal, and how he wanted lebensraum

[bright robin]

Fun facts with Google

How many different types of cones are in the eye?
The rods are more numerous, some 120 million, and are more sensitive than the cones. However, they are not sensitive to color. The 6 to 7 million cones provide the eye's color sensitivity and they are much more concentrated in the central yellow spot known as the macula.

[pliant lodge]

@lyric oriole yes I can but I don't see the issue

I like how people always talk about Staling. When he was responsible for over 25 million deaths during WW2.

[brave night]

look there are sensitive people with families that died because of him ok are you now seeing some sort of problem

[bright robin]

the German Jets were also introduced into the war at a too late time

[pliant lodge]

@brave night cough cough Stalin

@bright robin The guy wanted it to be a bomber. So the jetplane was now a jetbomber not smort

[bright robin]

Oof

[solid gate]

He’s not allowed either here incase you didn’t know majority of political figures are not

[bright robin]

But still, if the jets were made a little sooner in the war, they could have had a greater chance of winning

Putin is a good Prime Minister
Ima see what comments are made here

[kindred thorn]

theres no #politics channel for a reason

[pliant lodge]

@bright robin yeah. The British would be overwhelmed

[tulip sail]

If the jets were made sooner than they would have been just as bad as they were if not even worse

[pliant lodge]

Or the so called wonderweapons

[bright robin]

But the Jets were far better than the american and british planes at the time
The Germans had lots of wonderweapons

[kindred thorn]

yeah tell me where you get the oil and experienced crews to use them

[pliant lodge]

@bright robin V1 and V2

[bright robin]

The V2 rocket was funny

[kindred thorn]

uhh how

[pliant lodge]

Funny? 🤔

[bright robin]

The V-2, with the technical name Aggregat 4, was the world's first long-range guided ballistic missile.

Then the americans took all their plans, the rockets, the jets, the guns

[mossy schooner]

hi where do you get leopards from ??

[kindred thorn]

which leopard

[bright robin]

German Tech Tree. All leopards are in the german tech tree

[mossy schooner]

not sure seen in battle looks good

[pliant lodge]

@mossy schooner not the best med tank but not the worst

[mossy schooner]

i have crusader it keeps getting bashed by leopards lol

thenks i will look

[pliant lodge]

@mossy schooner don't expose yourself for too long. Leopards are dependent on people who stay still and don't retreat in time.

[bright robin]

Shhhh
I want to clip tier 4s

[kindred thorn]

t5 leopard or t10 leopard?

[mossy schooner]

not sure

[pliant lodge]

@kindred thorn Since he/she mentioned Cursader it has to be Leopard tier 5

[mossy schooner]

cool thanks

[kindred thorn]

t5 leoaprd has bad pen

[bright robin]

Yes

[pliant lodge]

Also, Crusader is broke. So Idk what's the problem

[tulip sail]

They were better if they worked yet with the lack of crews and the jets being incredibly complicated to produce even if adopted earlier in the war (not to mention being even less of a developed technology) they wouldn't be able to be produced in any meaningful number to matter outside particular situations

[solid gate]

Also apparently people forgot the waffles were basically dead by 1945

[bright robin]

But im saying if they made the jets sooner the luftwaffe would had air superiority, and might had even won the war

[brave night]

not really they didnt have the production or fuel

[bright robin]

Im saying if it was made early on in the war, like in 1940

[brave night]

if thats true the allies would have also had it earlier in the war

[solid gate]

And all that is just a what if we all know that advance would be impossible for 1940 and they lost in reality anyways

Are you trying to say how the world be if they won or something because we all know what they believed in and did

[brave night]

but if they won uhhh mass genocide

[glacial crest]

There's a massive problem with that already - German jets weren't properly ready until '44. Not to mention a massive lack of materials was killing their potential already, and logistics were always a problem with such a fast-moving army

[tulip sail]

Germany was having supply issues even in the early war they wouldn't be able to support jets even if they magic couldn't have mass produced them

[calm drum]

Andyroo_88#5119 has been warned.

[brave night]

money

[valid cedar]

Wait lemme rephrase cuz i forgot swear words are censored: what is up with smasher and annihilator being so op?

[brave night]

money

[lyric oriole]

Dunno

Kv-2 2

And something included with an actual Band's music video, likely pressure against nerfing

[valid cedar]

but still most other prems arent as stupidly op for their tier and tank type

[brave night]

still, money

[valid cedar]

isnt it just a bit too op tho

[brave night]

money

[solid gate]

but this tank have so big body bruh

[valid cedar]

is it worth it to get the t9 tracks on the masuchen or nah?

or the engine too but for 50-55kxp (forgot the exact cost)

[tall root]

The engine is needed. Without it gonna be pain. But the tracks arent needed cuz u turn so slow that u dont recognize a slightly difference on the battlefield @valid cedar

[valid cedar]

Ah ok, tysm!

[frigid compass]

actually 5 degrees of traverse difference is quite substantial

you're dealing with 15.9 degrees of traverse in most terrain which is dirt/medium without tracks and 21.06 with tracks

[kindred thorn]

why dont you have the engine equipped

[valid cedar]

i just wanted to show the + stats
i just bought the engine too

[sweet dove]

you're banned from giving advice ever again

@valid cedar yes the tracks do matter, and its quite a substantial and very noticeable difference

[valid cedar]

even just 4.4 degrees/s turret rotation speed and 0.1 aiming time for 22k xp?

[kindred thorn]

you are increasing your traverse speed by like 33%, and this is really important for such a fat slow tank like the mauschen

[valid cedar]

What is crossing capacity exactly and how does it work?

[plucky summit]

I haven't looked into to too much but as far as I can tell, a higher percentage means you can be more mobile on that type of ground

@valid cedar It can be though of as how easy the tank can move on the type of ground

[valid cedar]

Ah i see, thanks. What % of crossing capacity is considered good for each terrain then?

[plucky summit]

Well, I guess 80% or higher

[valid cedar]

hmm well the capacity seems to look alr on the mauschen without the tracks so far

83 and 91

[latent meteor]

Is it just me, or is tier 9 > tier 10 when tier for tier?
Because WG (rightly) tries to balance tier 10, whereas tier 9 doesnt matter as much and has a lot of tanks that are more op?

[sweet dove]

terrain resistance. think of it as function of your engine power. the higher it is, the better

its basically how they make tanks faster on roads and slower on mud/grass. "crossing capacity" is just a terribly google translated term for friction/traction

[solid gate]

What are the worst tier X tanks?

[kindred thorn]

Think m48 patton maybe? Idk

[fast compass]

Badger, 183

[plucky summit]

VK 72 imo, M48 patton is also pretty low there

I personally love 183, if you know how to position and aim, you got it good

[fast compass]

Patton does kinda come at the lower end of the spectrum. I do enjoy playing it tho

[brazen holly]

I’d say M48 is a low-end when compared to other MTs however it’s still not garbage
183 literally has nothing going for it apart from the gun which is why I like it

[shy wyvern]

I need answer

Can a 10mm of pen from ZiS-5 76mm HE, Penetrate a Tiger I????

[valid cedar]

Ty!

[onyx sluice]

Some tips for the Emil 1 will be appreciated. Can't seem to do well in it.

[solid gate]

I want this is game wg, then IS-7 can catch fv183 shell before it hits its hull with giant crab arm

[stiff basin]

Play hulldown, clip everyone, use your special consumables, get the top gun if you don't have it

[valid cedar]

should i use the t8 or t9 gun on the Ho ri?

cuz the dpm, aiming time and dispersion gets even worse n the t9 only for more pen and a bit of alpha

[lyric oriole]

Use the 120

You can at least force trades

Plus insta pen

Your crew is only at 75% ish and you don't have the tracks or any accuracy equipment

[valid cedar]

is it worth it getting any accuracy equipment + the t9 gun then, or is the t9 gun as u said enough

[lyric oriole]

Get the track too

I know you don't have enough for both but don't skip any modules

[valid cedar]

damn all 3 then huh. I hate this tank cuz i find it worse than the t7 and the aiming time makes me sad

[lyric oriole]

It's stock

What do you expect

Also here's the difference with and without the tracks

The tracks are extremely significant on this tank

[valid cedar]

oh yeahh

ight ill get all 3 modules then, ty!

[lyric oriole]

Np, it's generally a good idea to get all the modules on tanks anyhow. Engine is in about 90% of the cases lowest priority because it only effects traverse a little and slightly improved P/W by a little

[valid cedar]

for my mauschen its engine>tracks rip

[lyric oriole]

@valid cedar actually that's not true

Hang on

I messed that up

Wait no that's right

[valid cedar]

should i still get the tracks for the mauschen tho

[lyric oriole]

The tracks are more helpful so definitely

Unless you like 4° less hull traver and worse dispersion on the move

[valid cedar]

yay all modules earned on mauschen less go

[sweet dove]

Get another food for 3rd provision slot, get rid of speed boost and use adrenaline

Unless you enjoy being out traded by tanks that you cant pen which are also faster and have more hp, get the top gun

[keen garnet]

Hey now that a vet is here, is speed boost even worth a consumable slot lol

[sweet dove]

Depends on the tank, usually adrenaline and another repair kit are more worthwhile

[hollow notch]

Double repair is always useful

[keen garnet]

Ye I run that, double repair and adrenaline

And also, is adrenaline worth a slot for tanks like Sheridan with a big reload
because it's only effective for one reload

[violet timber]

The only time I see speed boost as useful is if it is the improved boost

[valid cedar]

is it worth getting camo too or?

[sweet dove]

Yes. Very much. Especially if you run into another Sheridan

[violet timber]

Camo is always worth it

[keen garnet]

IGHT thanks!

[valid cedar]

also, should i use standard, improved or no fuel for provisions? i sometimes lose credits each match which is oof but i have a prem tank so idk

[sweet dove]

Always. If you have free camos somewhere i.e. Professional Blue lying around just put it on

[keen garnet]

Improved fuel and double food are usually my go to

@sweet dove Not everyone is a tourney master to have that camo 😂

[sweet dove]

You dont need to be a master to have that

[keen garnet]

IK, exaggerated a bit

[valid cedar]

are camos only worth it on lts and tds, i have a mauschen and jap med and i dont think camos are worth there tho idk

[violet timber]

Always run double food provisions and the last one is up to you, you can use fuel or the protection kit

[sweet dove]

@valid cedar if you have free ones lying around, just put it on

[valid cedar]

i dont have free ones sadly, need 2.5k credits for each

[violet timber]

There’s the camos at the bottom of the tab that are pretty cheap for credits

[sweet dove]

Ok just TDs and lights for now

[keen garnet]

Then go for the normal ones
They barely cost anything and even a little bit of camo can be useful in situations

[valid cedar]

ight then thanks!

[sweet dove]

I’m telling you everything from a maximum performance standpoint, not from economics lol

[keen garnet]

^^

I don't care abt my creds while playing tbh
A few matches in prem tanks and they're back

[sweet dove]

Think about it this way, the better your tank the more games you win and more XP you get. So to get to tier 9, you dont have to play as many games. Thats where you might save credits, by not having to fund ammo, consumables etc for more games

Well, and the fact that a maxed out tank is more fun to play. Theres few things worse than getting outclassed because someone properly equipped their tank and you didn’t

[fluid parrot]

I'm good on losing with Emil I and T49

[past crane]

ooof, I had that thing at like a 60% winrate lol

[violet timber]

Ooof I just skipped to the Emil 2 as soon as the tanks came out

[fast compass]

Love the emil 1. Probably because how ridiculous it is when put in the right scenarios.

The nerf it got literally did nothing

[violet timber]

I got lucky with Emil 1951 crates so I never felt the need to get the Emil 1

[fast compass]

I mean yeah ig 1951 is close enough to the thing.

[violet timber]

1951 just lacks turret armor, but the speed is pretty nice

[fast compass]

It doesn't get special consumables tho right? And provisions

[violet timber]

No it doesn’t, but the super speed boost might make it absolutely broken

[fast compass]

True, we don't want a unnerfable emil 1 now do we

[violet timber]

I mean, I wouldn’t mind it, but that’s only because I own the tank

Besides, we basically already have an unnerfable Emil 1 called the annihilator

[solid gate]

Bruh why the Churchill 1 so bad...

[onyx sluice]

Emil 1 isn't really OP though.

[solid gate]

It was at the highest WR for the heavies for so many updates since it’s introduction

[fast compass]

Still is, it has always overperformed compared to its peers by a large margin

All you need to do is remember which tanks have enough pen to damage you and peek accordingly. And it simply performs

[brave night]

I missed the days of 6 emils and on light in tourneys

[tame jungle]

Bruh how

[pliant lodge]

Lost 6 game in a row in Maus. I feel great. I just want the b-day extra creds. How much more does WG want from me?

I don't believe it's a high performing tank

[plucky summit]

@pliant lodge losing streaks happen, jus don’t play for a while, cool down, then try again

[pliant lodge]

@plucky summit I guess I should've stopped when I got ammo racked full HP in Maus by a 268 ._.

but If WG says MM is random I shouldn't get big lose nor big win streaks? Then why does it happen??

So I'll keep playing

[manic carbon]

Its random. Sometimes you get lucky. Sometimes you get unlucky.
Some games you play awful and keep losing.
Other games you play awful and keep winning (which happened to me the other day lol)

[pliant lodge]

Luck and random are two words that doesn't go together well.

[plucky summit]

Random necessitates luck to generate its outcome 👀

[pliant lodge]

= RIgged

[plucky summit]

That’s really not rigging 😂

[pliant lodge]

Well what I am experiencing now It feels like it

[plucky summit]

If a player gets peeved at the game, I believe it affects their skill a lot. The more they play with this irritation, the more irritation they’ll get due to less coherent skill, and the less skill they’ll have then

It fits me personally, I make more mistakes when I’m angry, and I’ve seen good players get mad at some RNG blessing for the enemy and proceed to lose the game and rage about it.

I notice how the less skilled players are much more likely to complain about matchmaking, it’s very well similar to other games, their random matchmakers

[pliant lodge]

@plucky summit true. but this shouldn't go into like 7 losses. You should eventually win despite having less skill mized with the game

[plucky summit]

That’s kinda just luck 😅

[pliant lodge]

How can you lose so many times and still tell it's just bad luck or just luck?

[strange thicket]

Sometimes i get those as well.
Yesterday i lost 2% of my WR then regained it with a win streak right after.
It is just random, and the battles i lost weren't all that terrible.

[pliant lodge]

There is an extent to which you can call something luck or not.

@strange thicket If MM was random you'd still be maybe half way there. Doesn't give sense that you get a win streak the day after

[plucky summit]

When I say luck, I mean by convenience, not some supernatural determining factor of games. It could be that you happened to have less than optimal teammates

[strange thicket]

No it wasn't the day after
It was literally right after it

[pliant lodge]

Yes, MM isn't completely random. But I just get so annoyed when I know WG could put me into a team with some experience.

[plucky summit]

Based on tanks n toons, not skill 😅

[pliant lodge]

You can technically rig the game

[strange thicket]

And that probably has happened and you don't notice.

[plucky summit]

Platoons are OP, find a good one, many professional players do it

[pliant lodge]

By playing 2 Smashers or Annihilator in a toon

[plucky summit]

You don’t even need OP tanks, skilled players are just as OP

[pliant lodge]

@strange thicket not in a lose streak.

@plucky summit depends. If you're an extremely good player and your team is bots. And the enemy is filled with average players. Your most likely gonna lose. Not every time, but most times

[plucky summit]

I’d toon if I wasn’t NA 😋

[kindred wren]

Just play the game as you see fit

[pliant lodge]

If I lose 🤔 KV-2 IS thE ANSwer

[plucky summit]

KV-2 is a bit more team reliant than most others ._.

[pliant lodge]

Yo. KV-2 has been my stress ball @plucky summit.

[onyx sluice]

I'm doing nothing but losing in the Emil 1. Most of the teams were nubs but I admit I wasn't doing particularly well either.

[pliant lodge]

if I'm upset I just spam KV-2 explains why I got 1,2k games in it

@onyx sluice unfortunate teams

[plucky summit]

I love KV-2 too, but it is quite team reliant 😅

[pliant lodge]

Just aim and yolo shoot :D '

[plucky summit]

I aim, fire, and wait behind cover, rinse, repeat

[onyx sluice]

I got frustrated and started grinding the T57 heavy line. I will come back to the Emil though, would love to try the auto reloaders.

[plucky summit]

That’s so wholesome

“I’m mad so I did something else productive”

[pliant lodge]

@onyx sluice If you wanna try autoreloaders I suggest Progretto line

[kindred wren]

Emil 1 is an autoloader

[pliant lodge]

@kindred wren He said autoreloader?? Not autoloader

[kindred wren]

Lol, that’s what I get for not reading the entire chat

[pliant lodge]

Or am I mixing things up?? 🙃 🤔

[plucky summit]

He meant Emil II and Kranvagn I guess

[pliant lodge]

That's what I get for missing a message

[kindred wren]

I was unintentionally skipping some parts of the chat because of weird scrolling so I thought you referred to his statement saying that he has issues winning in the Emil 1

[strange thicket]

So? The fact that this happens is enough to prove it is random.
You get all kinds of possible scenarios

[kindred wren]

When my team is bots I just out-bot them so I’m still the best in my team in regards to what everyone wants to achieve

Sadly, we still somehow win most of the time so we all seem to be very bad at being bots... feels bad

[plucky summit]

Judging the fairness of matchmaking by the skill of the players in battle contradicts the point of battling.

The difference in skill and tanks determines which team wins, why judge a matchmaker for having that?

[kindred wren]

Just get XVM and alt+F4 in case of emergency

[valid cedar]

and alt+f4 irl too

[plucky summit]

😳

[strange thicket]

Sledge hammer your pc

[kindred wren]

The lasting alt+F4 option

[pliant lodge]

@strange thicket and yet the outcome is either lose or win. So that you get a lose streak or a win streak doesn't give sense if there are so many different scenarios and it still leads to a win streak or a lose streak outcome.

[plucky summit]

Permanent enrichment of your life

[pliant lodge]

@plucky summit + 50% stonks

[plucky summit]

@pliant lodge understand that most, if not all players go through streaks every once in a while

[strange thicket]

Doesn't happen, i am talking from personal experience btw.
I get average days where i make no difference in my wr and some days it's just a massive win streak and some days it is just a massive lose streak that i feel like the game is truly unfair. But i just quit then.

[plucky summit]

The argument of rigging depends on the fact it is only them taking these losing streaks, which isn’t true

[pliant lodge]

It's pretty two sided

[kindred wren]

Most of the time I have good days

[strange thicket]

Nitpicking scenarios, disregarding variables. And not considering other's experiences is being biased towards your own opinion

[pliant lodge]

@strange thicket the fact is tho that in the long term you do improve

[kindred wren]

A good day is a 50%+ day

[pliant lodge]

It's just rubbish when you get lose streaks that doesn't suit your level of skill

[strange thicket]

Hey, they get less and less the more skilled you get.
It depends on how hard you carry lol.

[kindred wren]

Lol

[pliant lodge]

@strange thicket what's carrying again? :v

[plucky summit]

I think WG wants you to have the satisfaction of carrying teams 😊

[kindred wren]

Carrying is the act of convincing a 70%+ player to platoon with you

[pliant lodge]

It's not so satisfying when you do top damage and it's a loss despite doing an insane carry.

[plucky summit]

I think carrying is based on winning, cuz carry harder

[kindred wren]

It’s not a carry if you lose

[strange thicket]

By then you have just been out maneuvered by the enemy.

[kindred wren]

Strategic overview

Reason why I always stay in spawn with my Maus so I can coordinate my team
General Lux in the command bunker to lead his team to victory

[plucky summit]

Backseat gaming

[strange thicket]

Can't have the general dead.
Must put him in a maus!

[pliant lodge]

:*D

[plucky summit]

Me? How do I win my battles?

I play T-2020

[kindred wren]

Everyone aches in pain when they lay eyes on that monster

[pliant lodge]

@kindred wren too bad we don't see re-roll with 100% WR only played in Regular. It's impossible to win every game, no matter how skilled you are. Losing a game doesn't mean that you failed.

[hollow notch]

I only play smasher and annihilator. I can't even get 55% in other tanks

[kindred wren]

Excellent approach to get a totally legit winrate! Cheers

[hollow notch]

You gotta play tanks that fit your playstyle ya know

[plucky summit]

T-2020-2

[kindred wren]

I am generally not to blame. Either my team was too bad, or the enemy team was too bad at being bad

[kindred wren]

Facts

[strange thicket]

Nah we want T-2021

[plucky summit]

Would buy, as fast as I grabbed T-2020 for 50

[hollow notch]

But why

[strange thicket]

Understandable, have a nice day.

[plucky summit]

At first cuz I thought it was cool, at second because it was rare so I could flex it, at third so I could prove it wasn't garbage

[hollow notch]

It used to be garbage

[kindred wren]

And at fourth?

[plucky summit]

Would garbage do THIS?

[brave night]

You can do 5k in any tank (at upper tiers) no matter how bad but the t2020 is solid after buff

[kindred wren]

Yes. Garbage is really good at making people slip. They slip, they fall, they break their neck and boom you get 1k damage. Fast forward four tanks and one who got lucky and bam

[hollow notch]

Pre buff 2020 was trash. That is a fact. Worthless armor, cloned gun, meh mobility.

[plucky summit]

Yeah but people roasted pre-buff so hard it would make it seem impossible to nail 5k kolobanovs

[hollow notch]

Even the wz111 was better

[kindred wren]

Yeah, it got a lot more hate than it deserved. I was kind of surprised by the player opinion

[plucky summit]

I will admit I had some great accuracy RNG with it

[hollow notch]

I'm surprised of the player opinion of the is5, and the 2020 was a flat out worse one

[kindred wren]

It was just another copy and paste IS-spam tank, but it was still useable

[hollow notch]

Took me a while to find this, but just another is spam tank, only bad

[neat nimbus]

Well let's see if I can make into 20k of gold

[kindred wren]

I guess people just expected too much of it

[plucky summit]

Well, I guess at least it isn't that way anymore

[kindred wren]

Don’t get me wrong, I too think it was really bad but people just pointlessly hated on it

[hollow notch]

Ping no ping

[plucky summit]

Yeh, Lux respected u and set it not to ping

[strange thicket]

You can turn off pings in replies

[kindred wren]

Lol, I’m the nice guy who always disables the ping

[hollow notch]

How dare you turn off ping

[hollow moth]

Hi

[plucky summit]

♥️

[kindred wren]

I am the bad guy who doesn’t even ping you when replying to you, hoping you wouldn’t notice my response

[hollow notch]

._.

[kindred wren]

😛

[plucky summit]

How to win arguments 101 - roast the absolute Foch out of someone and don't ping them so they never hit you with a comeback

[hollow moth]

Silent kill: +100 points

[midnight leaf]

I am the bad guy who doesn’t even ping you when replying to you, hoping you wouldn’t notice my response
@kindred wren This is definitely real and the quotes system is still in discord

[kindred wren]

What I’ve been doing here for years

[plucky summit]

I think 😭

[kindred wren]

I am actually unhappy that the reply function replaced it in the message menu and didn’t complement it

[kindred wren]

F

[plucky summit]

So anyways for some hilarious reason my team has designated T-2020 as comp

[kindred wren]

Only set one and put a space behind it to have it for one paragraph, or put three arrows for the entire message to appear as quoted

[kindred wren]

They know something we don’t

[plucky summit]

Oh I know everything

[kindred wren]

😱

[plucky summit]

If the armor was terrible, why do people spam prammo at me?

[midnight leaf]

if the difference between ap and apcr/heat is negligible enough theres no real reason not to load all apcr in comp

[plucky summit]

People spam prammo in comp?

EW I'LL KEEP MY DAMAGE THANKS

[kindred wren]

I don’t shoot any prammo at all - even in competitive gameplay

[valid cedar]

Ho-Ri: Did i hear prammo spam???
15 average dmg loss, from 310 AP pen to 380 prem AP pen

[kindred wren]

My team never noticed so far 👀

[plucky summit]

I use prammo when the peer pressure is too much 😭

[midnight leaf]

until they calculate your shell velocity frame by frame and realize that you're not spamming pramo

[valid cedar]

Oof

[kindred wren]

Use prammo. Use prammo. Use prammo.

[plucky summit]

You wanna know how to assert absolute dominance?

Call your 183 HESH standard and AP as prammo

[valid cedar]

If ur ho ri and dont use prammo at least 1x a match thats just pain

[plucky summit]

Ho-Ri trash, can't pen VK 168

[valid cedar]

Omg wtf ur right ho ri sucks 😭🤮😡

[kindred wren]

Smh Ho-Ri needs pen buff

[midnight leaf]

^

[plucky summit]

Simple THReE CaLIBeR RUle, If Ho-Ri's AP pen is only 399, and not 168 x 3, then useless

[kindred wren]

Eh. Yes

[plucky summit]

What do you think is sillier?

Super Conqueror not comp

T-2020 comp

[hollow moth]

Using E50M in comps

[kindred wren]

I don’t know what to say. Both are possible but questionable

[plucky summit]

To be fair the heavy spam + 1 light/med strat can be countered that way since E 50 M bodies 1v1s

[kindred wren]

Yup, the E 50 M is a good choice if you want to run an alternative strategy

[plucky summit]

Rubber ducky, your argument is invalid

[kindred wren]

Gun breach must be underwater for the timer to start

[plucky summit]

I lied to you, there's no water on Castilla, you should know better

[hollow notch]

v39 looks in envy

[kindred wren]

Wow. I never thought you’d fool me like that!

[plucky summit]

I am the trickster, the deep diver, the waddler, all in one tank

[kindred wren]

How can you be a deep diver if there is no water though?

[plucky summit]

Abort, ABORT!

[pliant lodge]

CRAP

[valid cedar]

lmao

[valid cedar]

how should i be playing the t7 Chi-Ri? My first impression of it rn (stock) is having rly weak armour, moderate mobility and idk how good the dpm or pen is tbh but the alpha is kinda low for my standards at t7

[gentle wasp]

the gun (specifically the burst damage and ROF) is pretty much all the tank is. the pen is rather poor but if you can get opportunities to shoot more lightly armored targets while taking minimal hits yourself, it can really inflict a lot of damage.

[valid cedar]

is the chi ri good before i get the burst gun, im stock rn

[gentle wasp]

no, since the gun is the main strength of the tank, it's pretty bad stock. you have a pew pew tier 6 gun on a worse platform.

[solid gate]

Be warned it’s still pretty bad fully upgraded*

[valid cedar]

how should i play the chi-ri with the burst gun then: go with the hts or sniping spots with the tds or

[gentle wasp]

med support and that's about it

[valid cedar]

im guessing that means going behind the hts then

[gentle wasp]

no, it means go with the meds and support them

as I said before it has poor pen so you have to pick out distracted or poorly armored tanks to engage. you also have poor armor so you can't really take many aggressive engagements

[valid cedar]

oof, sounds like a pretty wierd tank for me, guess ill use as much free xp as i can with it, thanks for the tips!
Do the t8s and t9s get any better or are they still pretty underwhelming too by any chance?

[gentle wasp]

they are similarly very gun-based tanks, the Type 61 in particular has such a great gun that it offers a lot of potential, but the rest of the tank makes it challenging to play

[valid cedar]

oof alright then, but the t10 would make it worth it from what i heard is that right? iirc the t10 playstyle was hulldown or smth cuz of good turret armour though i cant compltely remember

[gentle wasp]

yep the tier 10 is very much worth it, it has a low profile and good turret combination that is sorely lacking on the previous tanks. Solid gun and mobility as well.

[valid cedar]

great to hear!
the pain of playing the t6 and t7 rn almost makes me wanna switch to the t62-A which i heard is also good, is the line and t10 there better by any chance or

[gentle wasp]

the 62a is a great tank and the line is very solid, both the light branch and the med branch are a good amount better than the STB line

[valid cedar]

yeah idk whether to reconsider and change to the 62a, when i discussed about it with some ppl in this channel last week they said the t62a has a taller hull so requires more perfect play to hulldown well, though has higher dpm and accuracy
but ty for your advice

[solid gate]

Tall hull is just a comment it’s hull is average sized the turret is just short along with the gun depression you need to awkwardly position to use it sometimes

[hard cedar]

Why 62a when you can object 140

[marsh thorn]

You can tell Alexandra to do an event with BT-7 artillery

And honestly I would go on obj 140

[hard cedar]

yes 140 playstyle cool 62a is just generic hulldown

[valid cedar]

Which one has better turret armour: the stb or the 62a?

[plucky summit]

So in your view T-2020 is more fun to play than Obj. 252U

[hard cedar]

I haven't played either so I can't really tell you

[plucky summit]

I believe T-62A

[valid cedar]

Oh then idk im feeling the t62a is better than the stb rn
It seems the 62a has better aiming time, dispersion and turret armour ngl
Only thing better abt the stb is the better depression and slightly higher turret over hull but still weaker turret armour

[hard cedar]

stb better at working ridgelines due to gun dep, also has higher alpha if you care about that at all

[valid cedar]

What are ridgelines?

[hard cedar]

crest of a hill/upward slope

[valid cedar]

Ah i see, yeah the gun dep is nice, i rly dont know which one i should go for at this point. People said the stb is better if ur a beginner tho the damage and armour stats on the stb look better so ifk

[hollow notch]

At least the 140 has the better gun

[plucky summit]

:_(

x_(

[hollow notch]

Alpha is king

[plucky summit]

If only 183 didn't throw so much dirt on that statement

[hollow notch]

And it has better ammo. AP>>>>apcr and apcr>>>>HEAT

[hollow notch]

The rest of the tank is trash see yoh

[plucky summit]

Imagine using prammo

[hard cedar]

ap > apcr

[hollow notch]

Won't have to with ap standard

[plucky summit]

We've established this.

[solid gate]

Mfw when Leo has better pen and a bigger caliber then both of them and still doesn’t make much of a difference

[plucky summit]

It would if Leo had the armor profile of em

[solid gate]

Or the actually good aim time*

[hollow notch]

Leo? It doesn't slap for 420

[hard cedar]

Was responding to this in basically the same way as master, won't have to use prammo as much since ap has normalization

[plucky summit]

Aye, but still, I rarely ever find problems with penetration

[earnest mantle]

Not neccesarily heat shells often have better pen than apcr variants(215b vs e5) and they do far better against sharply angled armor plates because they dont autobounce until 85 degrees

[plucky summit]

We're comparing them as if they had the same penetration

[hollow notch]

You can't compare ammo with vastly different pen numbers.374 apcr is always better than 374 heat

[earnest mantle]

Still my point stands about penning sharply angled tanks

[solid gate]

4005 bounces a surprising bit with APCR

[plucky summit]

Even with sharply angled plates, HEAT simply doesn't often have the penetration capacity to penetrate an angled plate past 70 degrees anyway

@solid gate 4005 sad accuracy without consumable

[hollow notch]

Yes, but it doesn't overmatch either

[plucky summit]

Or effectively deal with spaced armor ;)

[solid gate]

Overmatching is an over rated feature though rarely does it actually prove useful and clips of batchats and TVPS bouncing 183s like nothing shows it lol

[hollow notch]

Hori: best prammo
T110e3/4 2nd best
Heat tds after that

[earnest mantle]

Overmatch has far less occurence than autobouncing
Think prog upper plate if you have apcr pramo good luck penning the upper plate unless your at a higher angle making the upper plate not autobounce bit with heat you cheese right through
The pen number doesnt matter because it's an autobounce

[plucky summit]

I've never really dug into the T110E3/4 guns

Imagine shooting Prog's upper plate without leverage

[earnest mantle]

It's kinda big
For how small the tank is

[solid gate]

I’ve played with the E4 gun quite a bit with rammer and CS. With CS you butter through pretty much everything but you’ll sacrifice a lot for it with little benefit

[plucky summit]

I'm curious, so Ima ask a question I've always wondered about

Would you pick a 200mm plate

Or a 100mm plate angled at 60 degrees?

So much is at play, normalization, the same effectiveness without it, autobounce capability, what's your take?

[wise moth]

That's actually a tough question....

[plucky summit]

It makes me happy that a simple minded nerd like me could devise such a debate

[wise moth]

It depends on the tank, and where the armor plate is located

[solid gate]

I feel that’s an example of panther and tiger
Thicker plate was flatter and was less effective thinner plate was angled and was more protective

[hollow notch]

Depends at which 60° it is.
Heh heh
Upper or lower plate

[plucky summit]

They weigh the same, though the flat plate given crew space while adding a bit more weight to compensate for more deck armor

[earnest mantle]

This is a tiger 2 with its upper side plate at 60 degrees and 100mm

[plucky summit]

That's like 59.7 degrees or sumn, at a perfect 60 degrees it's twice as effective

[earnest mantle]

Yeah that seems about right

[plucky summit]

But the 200mm plate won't be affected by normalization, while the 100mm plate can, though the effectiveness exponentially increasing with angles can counter that

[earnest mantle]

Honestly it depends on if the tanks can angle those plates because the 200mm plate becomes a lot more effective when you angle than the 100mm plate already angled

[plucky summit]

Oh but there is angling past 70 degrees for that 60 degree plate

[hollow notch]

If the tank has gun depression and we are talking the upper plate, angled all the way

[earnest mantle]

^
I dont think there is a correct answer to this question it depends on the tank and the situation the tank is in

[plucky summit]

List Time:

200mm Flat: Countered normalization, extra crew space

100mm angled: Autobounce manuevering capability, aerodynamics, slightly lighter, probably more cool looking

[hollow notch]

Ah yes, aerodynamics

[plucky summit]

Well I guess it would push down, not sure if traction is worth the "weight"

[hollow notch]

Kv4 is a solid example of your 200mm flat armor

[earnest mantle]

Chimera as well
203mm flat on the turret on a tank that seems to work best hulldown

[solid gate]

Ngl sorry to interrupt but the FV4005 claps so good

[hollow notch]

Good point. That shows just how bad 200mm flat is in tier 8

[plucky summit]

200mm plate would need solid side armor to simply angle effectively

100mm plate would need solid side armor to angle itself to autobounce

[hollow notch]

And there is the is6 driver hatch as a 100mm example

[plucky summit]

Well that counts in enemy shell penetration

Starts bringing the bias xD

Or eh... kind of

[hollow notch]

Oi chicken, that your ign?

[earnest mantle]

Looking at the chimera straight on the upper frontal plate is 114mm but is slightly Less effective armor (195mm) than the 203mm torrent angled at no degrees, and with normalization it's not even close the turret is better, but when your hulldown at max gun depression the turret gets like 213mm but the hull is an autobounce

[solid gate]

I've realized the Kv4 is more of a meme machine than a actual useful tank, it doesn't really succeed in any certain field, where the Tiger 2 is maneuverable, quick, fast reload, (could be better damage) and good armor against tier 8 and 7. 9 it begins to play like a medium more than a heavy.

[plucky summit]

Indeed it is

[plucky summit]

KV-4 is pretty iconic in requiring raw minimum penetration, if you don't have a solid 190mm of penetration, fighting it frontally is a no-go, no weakspots in view

[hollow notch]

I find your lack of battles in the kran disappointing

[plucky summit]

Got addicted to 183, Kran is for my tournaments

[hollow notch]

Ew 183

[plucky summit]

Sorry, I have a bias for high damage per shot tanks, hence I also play AMX M4 mle 54 with it

[solid gate]

Yes, but the only tier 8 that people still play that I've noticed that has less than 190mm of pen is the Pershing and the T49.

[plucky summit]

Even with 190mm of penetration, you have next to nothing to aim at, it almost makes it a Tiger II against meds

Also for my bias for mle 54, it could do much more often what my IS-7 would uncommonly do:

Roll over 500

[hollow notch]

I need your skonk

[heady mesa]

183 is pog

[hard cedar]

T54 ltwt 😔

[plucky summit]

W u t

Oh Super COnq

[solid gate]

Lower plate has never really been a problem to me in the Kv4, along with the top mini turret. Usually those lower pen guns are highly accurate, so it defeats the purpose. And for the T54 ltwt, you can just flank it and face no issue

[hollow notch]

Skonk

[plucky summit]

Yeah the low battle count makes very good stats, if I ever proceed to play them, the stats will plummet 😅

[heady mesa]

Sconq*

[plucky summit]

Tragically my clan doesn't think Skonk is comp so I can't play it unless it's an ez clap team in tournaments, so I must use the boring IS-4 😪

[hollow notch]

And I don't understand how people can play more than 500 matches in a lowe. Just so slowe

[plucky summit]

Speed doesn't affect me, if I get a position, I often don't need to move for a while, so I don't find it hurting me too much, also DEM CREDITZZ FOR 183, and I love the gun and armor

[hollow notch]

Gotta spam the OG premiums

[plucky summit]

Lel, I only got Drac from snow globes for that list

[heady mesa]

Got skorp from globes

[hollow notch]

My is6 was gifted to me back when I was free to play. I made decent use of it

[heady mesa]

Op

[plucky summit]

From globes I got Dracula, Gravedigger (compensated), Action X (compensated), WZ 120-1 FT, Chieftain Mk. 6, and Super Conqueror

[hollow notch]

._.

I got the t22 garbage instead

[plucky summit]

Ew, I already have T-62A why get a more despisable one

[hollow notch]

I didn't have a choice, I wanted the skonk, but still didn't even get it

[plucky summit]

I like to think of it as a DPM IS-4 with a larger lower plate and about the same solid turret

[hollow notch]

You missed the key part I want, gun depression

[plucky summit]

Yeah I like that too, my clan doesn't

I got some you can have

[bright sentinel]

kanonenjagdpanzer 105 good anyone?

[jade canyon]

ity=s meh

[plucky summit]

You really need to know how to position in it and take advantage of bushes, it's often good at taking less traveled flanks, like town on Vineyards, to flank the enemy

[jade canyon]

its alright i guess

[plucky summit]

I've only played one battle in it (I have other tanks I like playing), and landed 3.3k damage with that strat above

[jade canyon]

nice

[brave night]

its good but not as good as pre nerf

[jade canyon]

when your in the kv2 and theres a hellcat and your shot is a track crit

[fresh vine]

@analog glen

[sweet dove]

100 mm at 60 degrees is usually better

because its easier to angle for a 70 degree autobounce with it. then it doesn't matter what pen they have on AP/APCR. case in point, Progetto 65

[neat nimbus]

i got a lot of gold i need to wait whats coming to the store

[median tree]

dont buy that lmao

[neat nimbus]

i got the snowstorm jagdtiger and well some other premiuns

[median tree]

......

[neat nimbus]

there's nothing in the store and im waiting for a tank be there for gold

[median tree]

Just dont get the superpershing, for that price atleast.

[spark basin]

just wait for a 5k gold tank sale

[neat nimbus]

i waiting for the action x hope comes with two bundles to choose cuz aint like the morpho camo

[distant nymph]

it'll prolly be in crates, it's a good tank

[neat nimbus]

The other time was sold for gold

Likely will be going to be sold for real money just like the revaloise again WG likes mocks on f2p people

Well that means no money of them anymore if they ever dare make me sick of the game because there's crates

I ain't gonna spend on crates seeing my luck is bad I wouldn't risk

Again I hate how this game is hostile to the poors, I live in mexico if you ask me the economic situation isn't making my family wealthy so yeah I won't spend a penny on crates I rather on gold even if is in low quantities but that's how I do like spend money

Well let's see how much far I can make I wish they improve for beneficial of both sides

I know the devs have even stay awake to make this game work well and is cool they need appreciation it wouldn't be possible without the talented people sorry for such sentences but I'm kind of tired I need something to do

Or give the tanks for skilled players via events

As well giving something for new players like the lunar flame event where people could get the t-34-3 or the type 64 in the best scenario both tanks

[hidden pawn]

action x feels a little clunky

[neat nimbus]

Well just me complaining about how I feel about recently

[hidden pawn]

i might try action a bit in the upcoming patch

i have 16k not sure too

i once paid in a different game i briefly played and people said to me " so... this is your hobby?"

[solid gate]

The poor kv5 needs a buff

Why do people dislike the T-22 Med.?

[fast compass]

Lol people dislike t22? Facing them yeah, but that thing is infamously strong in tier 10, everyone knows that

[stiff basin]

Because it has troll armour everywhere on the hull and has a strong turret. It also has good mobility, and not a bad gun

[solid gate]

Yea but some people I know call it trash. When there's nothing wrong with it. It's literally a better T-62A

[storm robin]

More like a better 140, the play style is completely different from a T-62A

[solid gate]

Idk, I played the T-22 Med like the T-62A with more armor and like a is4 side armor and it rocks

[storm robin]

It’s literally a brawler like the 140, that’s where the armour comes into its own

[solid gate]

I've never liked the 140. It doesn't play the same to me at all.

[stiff basin]

T-62A has the best gun out of all three tanks, it's the best sniper, but I prefer T-22, it's so good at yoloing into everyone and bouncing everything

If you know how to play it, it's an Annihilator of tier 10 (btw got T-22 from a free snowglobe this year while everyone paid 20000 gold for it)

Now looking at tank compare I saw how much better T-62A's gun is

[distant nymph]

meanwhile I just want the K-91 and its line of really flat soviet support mediums

[valid cedar]

I'm currently pushing for a heavy tank, td and med tank line, and i may be interested to push for a light tank line next: What are the sheridan, B-C 25 and Vickers Light like?

[distant nymph]

Vickers - really good guns, solid turret armor, normal light tank mobility, I sometimes play them like fast unamrmored mediums
Sheri - large, sluggish for lights with huge guns that fire heavy 650 damage (and very expensive) shells and are very innaccurate
B-C 25t - good flankers, only autoloading line for now although they need a lot of skill to play right

[valid cedar]

oh wait bc is autoloading?

on bliz hanger it doesnt look like bc is autoloading (I.e. comparing its gun stats to progetto, prog has 'time to load next shell' while the bc doesnt

[stiff basin]

Sheridan is great imo, it has a great line, great gun letting you outtrade everything apart from TDs, you have great mobility, and spaced armor everywhere so you usually won't be penned

[distant nymph]

that's a stat for an auto reloader

[keen garnet]

BatChat has a 3 shell autoloader
2.8s intraclip

Prog is autoREloader

[valid cedar]

whats the difference between autoloader and autoreloader again

[distant nymph]

reloader loads shells one by one

[stiff basin]

autoreloader loads shells one by one
(whatever, we wrote the same)

[keen garnet]

Nah, you will be penned most of the times
The bounces are only trolls

@valid cedar Think of autoloaders as a gun where you have to reload the entire clip if you want to reload one bullet
Autoreloaders are guns which when you fire one bullet, the next one loads in the barrel and after that, the first one starts loading back

[distant nymph]

autoloader reloads a "drum" of 3 shells

[valid cedar]

i see, damn autoreloading sounds nice. Is the dmg on the bc good in practise tho?

[stiff basin]

bc is a TVP but more flexible with less damage per clip

[fast compass]

Autoreloaders end up being extremely flexible tanks. The enemies will almost never know how many shells you are holding. Definitely recommend experiencing them on the progetto line

[stiff basin]

Autoreloader is a traditional gun but also an autoloader at the same time

[keen garnet]

^^
Prog 65 is amazing
You can just play thinking you're at 2k damage but you're at 4k or something
Because dumping an entire mag and then shooting like a single shot gun is super pog

[distant nymph]

autoreloaders are really comfortable to play. Sadly I'm only on the P.44 so I can't say for the standard and progetto

[stiff basin]

Which tank is the least RNG and team dependent out of these:

• FV4005
• progetto 65
• T110E5
  Just asking because my RNG is so bad lately that I shoot someone into tracks even though I shoot the frontal hull

also maybe Obj 268

[valid cedar]

if im an autloader and have 1 shell left in my magazine is there a way to reload without using up my last shell or?

[fast compass]

If you are on touch, double tap the ammo selection. Otherwise press c

[valid cedar]

does the time to reload 2 of the shells take as long as it would to take all 3 (I.e. if i idd shoot my last shell)? or would it only take 2/3 as long

[stiff basin]

it takes the same amount of time

[drifting creek]

Whats the most used and useful tanks in tournaments nowadays?

[stiff basin]

that's why you need to think if you want to reload your clip

[valid cedar]

can i not shoot during the reload time at all im assuming

[stiff basin]

T110E5, IS-4, Kranvagn, Vickers Light

[drifting creek]

Whats E5 doing there? And can IS-7 be used instead of IS-4?

[stiff basin]

It's flexible, has some OP consumables, is fast, armoured on the turret, has a good gun

No, IS-7 is way different, you have way worse armour, worse gun

[kindred wren]

E5

[drifting creek]

Damn, so whats IS-7 used for then

[valid cedar]

why vickers over sheridan or bc?

[stiff basin]

Ok, thanks. Just grinded FV183 and i'm getting destroyed all the time

it's not really too good

@valid cedar good armour for a light, and great view range

[kindred wren]

Progetto is also a solid choice, though the RNG is kind of bad for a 105mm

The FV4005 is just straight out very team and skill dependent

[stiff basin]

I'll go for E5, almost got M103

[valid cedar]

which t10 light tank is best to go for someone who has never played a light tank before: sheridan, vickers or bc?

[stiff basin]

I would go for sheridan, that's my favourite, but I know most of players would grind Vickers

I just like big guns or DPM kings

[kindred wren]

Depends on what you want; if you just want an easy entry point that feels like a medium play Vickers, if you want some fun running around and shooting people then Sheridan is for you, if you want ‘true’ light gameplay of scouting, gunning and running then the Bat. Chat. Is the right choice (but definitely not the most newbie-friendly choice)

[valid cedar]

why would you say that bc needs a lot of skill to play tho?

[distant nymph]

well it does. the french lights need skill in both PC and Blitz. They can't forgive mistakes

[kindred wren]

They require you to have good overview over the battlefield and an understanding of how you can exploit situations

[valid cedar]

yeah thing i dont like abt the sheridan is the relatively sad aiming time and dispersion and pretty low 230 pen

[kindred wren]

It looks super inaccurate on paper, but it actually hits the target more often than not. That shouldn’t hold you back

[stiff basin]

that's why you run calibrated shells

[valid cedar]

but couldnt u say the same for the vickers and sheridan, or are mistakes punished even worse on the bchat

[distant nymph]

much much worse on the bat

[stiff basin]

BC is just hard to play, no gun depression or elevation, low damage per shot etc.

[kindred wren]

By the way, some people argue that if you want ‘true’ light gameplay you can also play the Object 140

[stiff basin]

Leopard 1 is also kind of light, less camo and view range, but great gun

[valid cedar]

hmm then sheridan or vickers it is for me, id like to be a like that can add pressure and poke the enemy, especially when they dont expect it because as a heavy or td those lights which poke at the unexpecting enemy are my nightmare

[kindred wren]

The Leopard 1 is too much about damage farming and too little about active or passive scouting to count as a light, in my opinion

[stiff basin]

With both of these tanks use your HE, Vickers has great HE pen, while sheridan good HE pen and great module damage

[kindred wren]

In that case I think the Sheridan is the best choice for you

[valid cedar]

is the sheridan good for scouting and poking despite a big dispersion and aiming time?

@stiff basin why HE over AP

[stiff basin]

No, don't HE over AP, use both
Use all the shells you can have, just sheridan's HE is great

[kindred wren]

Good at scouting... Technically all tanks are good at scouting. In Blitz it’s very rare that you outspot and enemy. But the Sheridan is really good at poking with the massive alpha that really hurts

[valid cedar]

ooh sounds nice, yeah the alpha seems cool, is the sheridan pretty beginner friendly too?

[stiff basin]

not too much, it's a light, lights aren't really too easy to play

[kindred wren]

If you want to have great stats it’s probably not the most beginner friendly, but it is a lot of fun and if you have fun skill comes by itself

[stiff basin]

Also you can try ammoracking people with your HE because it has way more module damage than other shells

(Try progetto on a turret)

[kindred wren]

Akshualy, HE doesn’t have more module damage, it’s just the fragmentation that creates a lot more impacts on the modules and thus a lot more potential damage

[stiff basin]

Whatever, I meant burst radius, it's better than 183's HESH

[stiff basin]

The whole line is really fun, keep the T49, it's not good, but really fun. Bulldog has great DPM, T92E1 is a sheridan with some armor and less mobility

T49 is fun because it has 780 HE damage, while normally it would have 680 as Sheridan has

[valid cedar]

i think for now ill just stick with my ht td and mt lines, and when im nearly done with them ill watch gameplay of lights and consider which one, tysm for your help @stiff basin and @kindred wren !

[kindred wren]

You’re welcome

[plucky rain]

How to be annoying in this tank despite it's bad penetration?

[kindred wren]

Shoot HE

[stiff basin]

flank, get close, shoot, run away

[distant nymph]

they really need to give it some sort of not as expensive high explosive, slinging heat 24/7 drains credits and penetrations are rare

[solid gate]

It’s heat is the cheaper round because making the round that can actually penetrate be premium rather than the round that’s supposed to be anti light and splash cheaper is a good decision...

[stiff basin]

Imagine if this thing had prammo

[kindred wren]

It has prammo, the HE is the prammo

[stiff basin]

I meant normal prammo, with higher pen

[spark basin]

nope

[solid gate]

As if t92 wasn’t painful enough to deal with

[manic carbon]

T49 is fine how it is

[stiff basin]

Imo it should get a dispersion buff or pen buff even if it would cost reload time

That's why you even play with this thing

[stiff basin]

It doesn't need DPM, nerf reload by a second and buff aim time by 1 second and dispersion by 0.060 or something like this.

[solid gate]

That’s literally making a tier 8 T92 god no it’s fine how it is

[keen garnet]

T49 is for memes, not for winning

[solid gate]

Petition for wargaming to bring back the MS-1, T1 Cunningham, and Leichttraktor as collectibles that can only be used in training rooms.

[valid cedar]

what are the big differences between the IS-7 and IS-4?