#vehicles-discussion

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dense torrent
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pew pew jagdtiger
meatshield
decent
annoying

gentle wasp
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@solid gate Jag and E25.

dense torrent
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it's really up to your playstyle

solid gate
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Oh thanks i see it 250 armor and E-25 is a good sniper
My playstyle is Sniper

gentle wasp
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Jagdtiger is really strong now with the buff, and E-25 is still really solid, one of the most fun tanks in the entire game.

dense torrent
gentle wasp
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the E-25 has really good pen, and the gun is good enough to play long range if needed.

dense torrent
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huh weird, it failed to pen me while playing T-34-2G FT, maybe he wasn't aiming his first 4 shots

next solstice
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the giant pew pew machine and the mini pew pew machine

solid gate
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Yeah and it's small it can bully a KV-2 and Jagdtiger can Snipe while spotted because of armor

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Apart of weak spot on inferior glacis

prisma kindle
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Why there is no tank suspension in Blitz?

solid gate
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In fact why is the pause mode?

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For not spam?

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And i play since 2018

sweet pulsar
safe acorn
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Hello

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I just realized almost all MTs that are first generation MBTs share the same gun

solid gate
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All current gen ones still do

safe acorn
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The L7 Royal Ordnance was really popular back then huh?

safe acorn
solid gate
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It became the NATO standard gun

safe acorn
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But if you think about it Leopard I is more to the A1A1 variant and M48 is more to the M48a5 variant

solid gate
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Russians use 115-125mm cannons mainly the 2A family of guns that are different to the west’s l44

safe acorn
solid gate
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M48 ingame is slightly incorrect the base model did not have the M68 gun only the M48A5 which has a raised engine deck on the back did

safe acorn
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And shouldn't Leopard 1 have more pen since it's the A1A1 variant?

solid gate
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It’s not the A1A1 variant

safe acorn
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Iirc DM13 and DM23 are APFSDS shells not APCR

solid gate
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It’s APDS weaker than fins but stronger than APCR leopard 1A1 is visually entirely different than the base leopard 1 model

safe acorn
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I'm confused right now since different shells in both WoT and WoTB exist

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Man I'm confused with just one shell called DM13

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Even so Leopards standard penetration should be higher than 277mm

scenic crest
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personally, I think that DPM tanks need high penetration values

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and large alpha should have better HE penetration while the AP and APCR on large guns should be a bit less than DPM tanks

spark basin
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vickers line

scenic crest
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Vickers is about to get a nerf tho, also I think that the idea should apply to all tanks in the game like how the Bat Chat and leo 1 should have better penetration values

spark basin
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its a minor pen nerf though

scenic crest
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its still a nerf

glass otter
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Leo 1 already has one of the best pen values of its class

wise moth
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@safe acorn The tier X meds with APCR standard actually do fire APFS ammunition. While in game it’s portrayed as APCR, this is because it shares the same 2 degrees of normalization and ability to shoot through walls and stuff.

However, there are 2 key differences between the APDS micro class and normal APCR shells

  1. APDS shells lose very little pen over distance. Tier X APDS shells only lose like 5-10mm of penetration at ~500M or so, compared to comparable caliber APCR shells which can lose upwards of 20-30mm of penetration

  2. APDS shells have even more shell velocity, usually ~1500m/s base, as opposed to comparable caliber APCR shells which usually have ~10000m/s shell velocity

safe acorn
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Oo ok thanks for clearing the path@wise moth

scenic crest
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wow none of this makes sense to me lol

wise moth
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@safe acorn Also, Leopard 1, and the other L7 armed meds used to have 268mm of APCR/APDS penetration, but it was nerfed down to ~250 for balancing reasons

scenic crest
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I see

safe acorn
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Hm doesn't Kpfpz-70 have APFSDS tho?

wise moth
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Nah, it’s APDS and HEAT, although WG actually messed up a tad and mixed up the names of the shells, so the HEAT shell has the APDS designation, and the APDS shell has the HEAT designation.

If you’re looking for APFSDS, the only tank in the game with APFSDS is the Chieftain/T95, which has APFSDS as prammo, although it behaves just like normal 90mm APCR

solid gate
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Original blueprint of the FV215B 183

final night
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Thicc damage

safe acorn
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The 152mm Xm150 can hold the same ATGMs on the Sheridan

wise moth
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@safe acorn I stand corrected, I checked, and the APCR shell on the KPFZ 70 actually is APFSDS. Although it shares the same properties as an APDS shell, just slower

safe acorn
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hmm apfsds shell thats slower than apds

solid gate
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Imagine if Sturmtiger was in game
Slow rocket ammo mega dmg
And good armor
OP

safe acorn
solid gate
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I found it in Rockfield, the easter egg

lyric oriole
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It's also on Vineyards

solid gate
safe acorn
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Also you wouldn't mind the 5 minute reload right?

solid gate
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Yeah that's right the bullets(Rockets) are really heavy

safe acorn
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Yea you can only fire a single shot per game which sucks if you miss

solid gate
solid gate
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afaik T-62 has apfsds too irl

safe acorn
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Yes on the U-5TS

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But WG gave U-8TS which is unsearchable, i tried it

solid gate
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I mean blitz isnt known for its historical accuracy

safe acorn
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Iirc Tiger II had an Autoloader and Stabilizer addition

solid gate
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i dont mind it if its for the sake of balance

safe acorn
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To support the 10.5cm kwk further in battle since it was slow

solid gate
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Yeah also maus had APHEDS

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experimental tho

safe acorn
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Armour Piercing High Explosive Discarding Sabot?

solid gate
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Yes lol

safe acorn
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Sounds like APFSDS with explosive filler and a large caliber

solid gate
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it got added to war thunder. it seems it does very good on angled armor in that game

wise moth
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@safe acorn Yeah, but I remember doing the math on it. A 380mm gun on the Sturmtiger would deal 3750 damage on its AP and 6400 on its HE (basically around ~2800 splash damage on average)

So even if you don’t pen something, you would straight up one shot it

safe acorn
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Sounds like Artillery to me

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Which it is and WoT did have an event about it. Just that the HP it has and dmg is astronomically high which is acceptable for a fun event

solid gate
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Sturmtiger was used for demolishing bunkers i believe

safe acorn
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Pesky AT teams hid inside them and have height advantage over German tanks where roofs aren't protected at all

solid gate
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AT crews are much more effective counters than tanks against tanks

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They still are

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ATGMs cut through tanks/ifvs like paper

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and AT crews are mobile. Tank commanders cant see them easily

wise moth
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Combined arms tactics says hello

low rampart
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What about nuclear missile launchers on top of a tank's track? Good to have in place of Sheridan....
3 minutes reload and destroys half the map, 1 HP and 2 km/h.
If you don't kill half the other team, you pay 100k in credits.

safe acorn
safe acorn
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Either that or ERA which protects against chemical penetrators like ATGMs and HE related shells

lyric copper
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“How to protect your computer from an MBT”

candid harbor
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you can't

safe acorn
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You can by hacking the systems inside the MBT

lyric copper
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@candid harbor https://youtu.be/rSvBFm_MuXw proof that you can

YouTube
Bosnian Ape Society
How to Protect Your Computer from Getting Shot by an MBT

Do you hate it when your computer gets destroyed by a main battle tank? Do not worry anymore. This tutorial will inform you of the risks involved with main battle tanks near your computer and show you how to improve your computer rig to resist any type of ammunition shot at it. With this tutorial, your computer will be safe from all kinetic ener...

▶ Play video
candid harbor
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@lyric copper you haven't seen the video till conclusion have you, xd?

lyric copper
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I have

candid harbor
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centurion manages to beat protection at the end

lyric copper
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British bias ffs

candid harbor
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^
^
^

solid gate
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@lyric copper with norton free antivirus, you too can be protected against attacks from 105mm APFSDS and HEATFS munitions

lyric copper
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ye

pliant viper
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T92 op
I just bounced all three shells from an emil at point blank lmao

stuck meadow
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is matilda BP good?

lyric copper
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it’s okay, but flat turret front is not fun

stuck meadow
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it is tooo me sincei havea damage ratio of like 1.55 and its quite fun to spam bullets but idk i havent asked alot of ppl

lyric copper
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it’s slow, and has poor amour for its tier

stuck meadow
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what about DPM?

lyric copper
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DPM doesn’t matter if you aren’t where you need to be to utilise it

stuck meadow
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aight

glass relic
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You better off getting another tank than that one, since you'd be a free damage for the enemy.

heady galleon
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Is the ISU-122S worth it? it seems good to me but I dont know

hollow notch
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@heady galleon not really, it's nothing special. Play a su 152 with the 112mm and you get the same thing.

pliant viper
solid gate
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Swedish bias

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Really wanna know how exp thingy works

solid gate
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@azure carbon I expected a mastery

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Since said tank does ~12 dmg per shot

pastel drum
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@solid gate the fire like 100+ games are played against bots with only 1-2 other real players in the battle. Therefore so these new players do not advance fast and first learn the game the xp is cut by half, meaning you practically earn only 50% of your xp

solid gate
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Bruh

summer snow
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Is Object 252U good in ratings?

winter quail
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is black dog good

summer snow
winter quail
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yes

summer snow
solid gate
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Suffer

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Dew it

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Thats short

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XD

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XD would you like the blind treatment my good man?

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Xddd... m103 turret in pz l hull

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Thats enjoyable to watch

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holy shit would i .get smashes by that

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XD just like aww so cute HONK HOMK dead

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XDDD smash >.<

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XD i have 5

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@solid gate ehEheh

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take it my friend..well idk if u r

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Ich bin idk dutch

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Okay then lemme friend request to

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YaY happy lonely forever noises

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XD stomks

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doubt

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Xdddd talkin abt that hand

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XDD im sorry..Its just came to my mind

calm drumBOT
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dynoSuccess PZ IV S#7686 was muted

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dynoSuccess Off Building Leap, Do#0706 has been warned.

lyric oriole
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Change it now

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@solid gate and username

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Well your bro has 3 minutes to change it

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Last time I recall I don't believe discord is ok with promoting self harm

static harness
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Little tipp @solid gate
Don't think or talk about the rules here, cuz you will get a headache
The end

calm drumBOT
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dynoSuccess Off Building Leap, Do#0706 was banned

static harness
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There is a temporary ban?
Learned something new today

solid gate
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enhanced armor or improved assembly for Chrysler K?

lyric oriole
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Enhanced armor

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The armor is overall strong and it's mobile which allows for quick adjustments to angles

solid gate
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Does that even work? Does it add like extra mm for armor

lyric oriole
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It's something about the pen RNG

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Pretty much only useful for tanks with good armor profiles

solid gate
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Wack

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@lyric oriole What about for the kpz?

lyric oriole
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Health

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Waaaaayyyy too many weakspots

hollow belfry
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@lyric oriole if a tank has good armor but pretty much flat, is it still wise to use armor buff?

lyric oriole
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No

solid gate
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True...

lyric oriole
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Flat armor means easy pen

hollow belfry
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Wab maus?

solid gate
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What about IS6?

lyric oriole
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Health in Maus, Armor is iffy on IS-6

solid gate
gentle wasp
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no

hollow belfry
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Same gun but prammo is hesh so u dont really pay for it @solid gate

lyric oriole
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The gun is nearly identical except ammo types it's intended for QoL

solid gate
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im on cent

livid yacht
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Depends

solid gate
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e75 but it has no speed

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Probably the best non premium t9 armor wise...

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i mean, top speed is 40 but it has slo acceleration

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thats with the upgrade engine

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but armor is nice if ur top tier

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other wise ur gonna get heated

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tiger 2

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but, again, ur gonna get heated

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emil is really nice tho

gentle wasp
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Emil is the best t8 right now and it isn't really close

solid gate
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ye

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maus

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wz is interesting too imo

thick trout
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E3 is brilliant armour wise, it's only let down by its paper drivewheels and HE splashable hatch (and the penable weakspot that literally nobody uses or looks at). Overall maus is more reliable but E3 is still great @azure carbon

solid gate
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Is4 is really nice, always gonna be nice...

nocturne sage
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Should I grind my conqueror or should I grind for the Emil 1

gentle wasp
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Emil

nocturne sage
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Ok thanks. Welp time to head back to hell known as t6-7 mm

last viper
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AX vs Emil?

next solstice
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Yes

warm snow
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worth spending the 1000 gold to upgrade my new tier 10 to 100%?

light crag
balmy wagon
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Any T62 Equipment???

potent forum
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No. Run it without.

candid harbor
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@balmy wagon you want tip to load which equipments?

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calibrated shells, optics, supercharger, armour buff, engine accelerator and refined gun

balmy wagon
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No aim time equipment??

candid harbor
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no, aimtime is stupid quick and dispersion factors on the move and turret rotation are extremely low

balmy wagon
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Okey thanks

distant pewter
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guys should i use my free xp on my kv4 on st-1 cuz traverse speed of kv4's stock is awful even if not or st-1 cuz st-1 pen on stock gun is trash

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i have 105k free xp atm

solid gate
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Use it on st1, the grind on it is more painful stock than kv4 stock. Kv4 stock is bearable.

distant pewter
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sure

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ill just use my x3 xp from the stream on kv4 then rest on st-1

solid gate
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Anyone know if the tvp50/51 will be techtree or premium

distant pewter
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techtree

balmy wagon
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Tips, grind IS 8 top gun first, because it'll be more painfull than grind the gun on st-1

solid gate
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Save free xp
It's always best

distant pewter
distant pewter
solid gate
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At least grind to the is3. That way you don't have to free xp the 2nd gun for st-1.

balmy wagon
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..... It'll be easier grind IS 7 line, afterall every top gun on that line is same on IS 4 line besides that KV 4, i grinded is 8 and free xp that gun, although i never buy that is 8

distant pewter
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but im almost at is4

solid gate
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Rather save that free xp for the st1 turret and top gun.

distant pewter
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im planning to use my x3 xp from my kv4 and use the free xp on st-1

balmy wagon
distant pewter
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k

balmy wagon
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And play skirmish if you want

distant pewter
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oh sure im thinking of doing it lol

solid gate
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Is there a benefit from playing in skirmish beside unchanged stats?

distant pewter
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ye

balmy wagon
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Easier, fewer palyers and littler map

distant pewter
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more xp, more credits, less time

solid gate
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I see, thanks.

jade saddle
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Is e50 m line worth it

distant pewter
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ye

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its for beginners considering the fact that u have a good armor, good mobility, good gun handling

jade saddle
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I thought t-62 or 140 is great for beginners

distant pewter
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and the line is easier to grind than the leopard 1 and the reason for that is being the leo 1 having no armor and e50m line have armor btw panther's armor got buffed

distant pewter
jade saddle
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Ah ok 👍

distant pewter
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tip: all no armor tanks are hard to run for beginners because you will get punished every single time you made a mistake so be aware of that

balmy wagon
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I got leo 1 as my second tier 10 and it's a bad decision and it's hard to play, but now it becomes enjoyable to play, T-62A would be nice for your first tier 10 because it's easy to play.
but idk about E-50M

next solstice
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e-50's a solid choice as well

jade saddle
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I’m grinding the Russians rn I heard it’s noob friendly and I am the biggest noob

distant pewter
jade saddle
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I do enjoy the Germans also in most cases if you research a heavy tank line first is it easier to grind a medium line ?

distant pewter
jade saddle
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Or am I wrong

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I loved the heavy line so far for the German heavies but I am more of a medium tanker

distant pewter
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heavies are the easiest to play and the reason for that being is the armor cuz if u made a mistake, u wont rlly get punished that often

jade saddle
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I don’t mind heavy tanks tho I want the 11-5a but it’s a collectibles and I’m poor

distant pewter
jade saddle
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Will do ,what did you guys first grind ? Ever in your first time playing

distant pewter
distant pewter
jade saddle
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Makes sense what was your first heavy

distant pewter
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tier 10?

solid gate
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@everyone

jade saddle
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No in general

solid gate
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Are British tanks good, specifically tier 4?

distant pewter
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yes matilda is VERY GOOD but alecto is paper but people say that aplha is key

jade saddle
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British medium line is pretty fun and heavies is pretty good they have great dpm and really satisfying to bounce shots

distant pewter
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except the fv215b 183 which has a long reload

jade saddle
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My highest tier is 8 in chines medium line

distant pewter
jade saddle
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Yes sir

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I enjoy the Chinese line because of the high alpha top strongest medium tanks with the current meta I think are 121,stb, and t22

distant pewter
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chinese tanks lacks gun depression but chinese tanks bring alpha to their gun

balmy wagon
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121 have alpha and dpm, it can trade shot for shot then hide on hardcover with other meds and gaining an advantage, but if it's in open field, it'll win against stb, patton, or other meds that have less dpm than 121

jade saddle
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I think Leo has highest dpm but no armor

glass relic
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Highest DPM of all meds.

shrewd copper
glass relic
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Yes depends if you did like a good game with a pretty neat damage then sometimes WG will reward you with a pop up offer discount for the camo mostly like 20-50% discount.

shrewd copper
candid harbor
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@glass relic 4202 has 4.2k dpm!

solid gate
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*when it works

glass relic
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🅱️ESH

candid harbor
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it always works!
gets a 330 hesh roll

glass relic
candid harbor
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:'l

potent forum
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@little juniper wrong channel

abstract wadi
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Has there been any discussion on whether or not the Emil I is going to receive a nerf?

wispy jackal
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hi does the m60 a good prem tank?

karmic nymph
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@abstract wadi it will, but not in this upcoming update. Maybe the one after

abstract wadi
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Any idea what the nerf might be?

karmic nymph
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They haven’t said, just that it’s gonna receive a nerf. They could go many way about nerfing it

spark basin
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hope its not bonked as hard as the charioteer

pliant viper
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Nerf it's alpha

solid gate
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Any of you guys know how to use this 60 tons worth of big fat American freedom grilled Steel

AKA the T29

📎 Screenshot_218.png
glass relic
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Hulldown and bully people with your turret, while also don't try to rely on your buffed frontal armor that much, and the gun is quite trolly so expect to have some troll dispersion values when you shot.

strange thicket
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Get top modules first

fickle hull
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Hey guys, I just finished the pass and got 2k gold

ISU 122s or A45?

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I know they're both different tanks, but I wanna know the general opinion on them and whats marginally "better"

strange thicket
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Personally A45
ISU 122 just seems meh
SU-152 already has a 122 option

fickle hull
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Well my main concern with the A45 is that it apparently sucks when you get uptiered, which seems frequent

fickle hull
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Nvm I bought it

ember quartz
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Kranvagen or Amx50b? Which better)

gentle wasp
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completely different tanks.

strange thicket
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It is the basically the same for every tier 7 getting uptiered (very few exceptions)
Your point?

keen escarp
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Oh

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Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!

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yep.

pallid gorge
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@ember quartz kranvagn(my opinion)

solid gate
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is the tvp50/51 coming in 7.5?

gentle wasp
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probably not. most likely 7.6 or 7.7

dense torrent
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maybe even 8.1

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but to be honest, i'm more excited about Skoda T25, tier 6 medium autoloader

austere vault
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hey devs, could yall remove the hatch of fv4202? The tank is just decent and barely sees play. A little buff could help 🙂

lyric oriole
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FV4202 is fine as is, it's got great mobility a fantastic front hull and the gun handles like a dream

austere vault
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well if you say so...i am a pretty bad player. Still i think without the hatch, hull down could be way better.

livid yacht
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I wouldn't call the gun handling like a dream

candid harbor
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more like nightmare combined with low roll rng xd

livid yacht
lyric oriole
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I generally get pretty good luck I guess

candid harbor
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gib me your rng pls
i got friends to peer pressure

solid gate
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Hi Guys, I see T46 tier3 coming from nowhere. Where can I find it ? I want one ! I just saw one killing down a Mathilda as if it a was a bath toy...

austere vault
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cant anymore since it is a collector vehicle. If youve researched it before, you could try getting it again

solid gate
fathom pilot
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I know this is kinda strange to ask, but does anyone of you remember the full list of Christmas gift tanks?
I know we got the BT SV in 2019, but I don't remember the rest, if someone remembers what the other gift tanks are it would make my day

upper jolt
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A-32 worth a purchase?

pliant viper
steady stream
low rampart
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@upper jolt No, the A-20 is better than it in every way, except HP. Idk why they have the A-32.

steady stream
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that wargaming they know how to renew their shops but nerves of tanks like the Sheridan, the anihilator, ... and down you have to wait more than 2 months

low rampart
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@steady stream What's in the picture, I don't get it?

pliant viper
hollow notch
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E100>hori>4005>e4>m48
@civic fiber

low rampart
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Ho Ri for sure, E100 haven't played yet.

hollow notch
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E100 is a monster. It make all tds irrelevant

pliant viper
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Why tf do my shells go through tanks
Blow up the dirt behind them but don't do damage
I can literally see the shells pass through tanks
It's like a ghost or smth just going through

low rampart
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@pliant viper Have you considered the dark magic of the RNG?

pliant viper
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It ain't my shells missing
They hit the tank but the pass through and through and do no damage

lilac ice
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A common curse 🤪

low rampart
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@pliant viper What is your ping and loss during a regular game?

pliant viper
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Around 12-30 ping
No loss

low rampart
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@pliant viper Send pics or it didn't happen. And by pics I think you know which ones I mean...

austere vault
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anyone know the credit coefficient of t54e2?

pliant viper
austere vault
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ooh same, sometimes happens to me when shooting at lower plate Leonardo

pliant viper
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If it happens again I'll try to record it

austere vault
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dunno why it goes through, but a miss is a miss so irdc

low rampart
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@pliant viper During a replay you can screenshot a moment, although I suspect it's a random bug, not something which repeats itself that much.

pliant viper
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Ye I hope so
I lost two one on one's cause of that
In my t92

balmy wagon
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What lines that worth to use free xp on it?? All Germans hts, Obj 263, wz 121, or brits ht line

pliant lodge
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@balmy wagon use it on tanks that sucks

balmy wagon
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Idk, i want to use it on maus line but i need it on 121 because there's a lot of modules on that line

viral falcon
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All of the tier 9 stock meds are generally a good way to use your free Xp

strange thicket
nocturne sage
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What should I research first on the Emil 1, engine or gun

solid gate
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what we think of new tier 10 premium?

100 dmg per shell
5 shots in a clip
15 second reload

max speed: 25 mp/h
rotation 33.01

armour
turret (all around) 50mm
hull: 75mm

📎 BV4b8XJvCTJAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC.png
solid gate
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Erm ok sounds like absolute garbage

scarlet echo
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Can the j adtiger get the improved engine boost as a consumable?

solid gate
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uk uses mph

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we use both actually

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excuse me

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did i say i took it not as a joke?

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Lol

scarlet echo
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Lol

rich condor
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and also, i believe u

pulsar cloak
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Why does Churchill 1 have a 2.8 reload?

lyric oriole
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Because it does 90 damage and is slow

pulsar cloak
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It is literally a light tank turret

lyric oriole
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Not sure what light tanks you are playing

hollow moth
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The type of LT that have 120mm on turret at tier 5

royal charm
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Tips for German Bulldog?
Tips for FCM?

next solstice
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run and gun

solid gate
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guys where i can buy tank LIGHT VIC tier 2?

quartz belfry
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@royal charm for the blackdog make sure to use hep, youd be surprised by how many tanks you can he from the side, it has nice alpha so u can trade other meds sometimes, other than that its just another light tank so play it like one, fcm is an all around good med but outclassed by many other meds, i dont recommend playing it

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@solid gate at the moment you cant buy it, its not in stores

solid gate
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ok

solid gate
nocturne sage
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I wish le french give the same slope as the arl 44 to the fcm, I mean on paper the 120mm of sloped front is great but bc of the angle it’s not

distant pewter
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camo rating of fcm is like a maus firing

nocturne sage
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Oh yea it’s big

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I think it should get more hp just bc of its sheer size

topaz summit
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Anyone use the stock gun on RHMB or no point?.. I have seen ISU use both the derp and normal gun but seems almost like the derp is best option in RHM.

distant pewter
topaz summit
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If your HE round actually pens haha.. hate hitting for only 300 with long reload.. lol

zealous anchor
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Does progetto 65 autoreload time need to be fixed?
(Making it sacrifice dpm when emptying clip)

tight raven
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FCM can be good at side scraping, but either people don’t know that or is never used or because the enemy does not care

distant pewter
tight raven
distant pewter
nocturne sage
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Wait wait wait, ur telling me that the fcm has the capability to side scrape

spark basin
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you're not sidescraping with 80mm of side armor

next solstice
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you can definitely sidescrape with 80mm of side armor

hollow moth
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@spark basin @nocturne sage actually it's possible and because of 1 simple reason

next solstice
lethal kindle
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Who said u cannot side scrape with 80 mm armor

spark basin
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i got proven wrong, good to know

hollow moth
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HEAT and HE just ignore this angle, so here's a good tip:

You see a tank with 80mm armor trying to sidescrape? Shoot HEAT! HEAT ammo can only recochete at 85 degrees (which is extremely hard to see in normal situations)
If you still can't pen, use HE, 100 damage is better than 0

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nocturne sage
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@hollow moth does side scraping work only for meds and lights same tier or below

hollow moth
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The sidescraping doesn't change on tank tiers, the utility of a side scraping depends on enemy gun calliber@nocturne sage

glass relic
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HEAT never richochet but alright, and also don't try to shoot HEAT at it while they're moving because you might miss and hit it's track neglecting you to deal damage ofc to those who cannot time and aim right.

nocturne sage
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Oh ok

hollow moth
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Actually HEAT does ricochet, but only at 85 degrees angles @glass relic

glass relic
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Actually it's not supposed to richochet but the game tells you sometimes it do.

hollow moth
glass relic
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Now prove it in game.

hollow moth
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Ok then, find me someone to play in EU and I'll show it

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It's literraly a fact that HEAT does ricochet at 85 degrees, I could bet my own account on it

glass relic
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Just prove it in game and see if it does actually hits the ground after shooting from that angle.

hollow moth
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https://youtu.be/UFktFSJZPsQ also, WOTB have all those same physics, if there's in WOT, it exists in WOTB (talking about shell physics)

YouTube
World of Tanks North America
World of Tanks PC - Explaining Mechanics - Armor Penetration

How do armor penetration mechanics work?
What is the difference between shell types?
Which shell type should you use, depending on the circumstance?
When do you hear “Critical hit!” without inflicting any damage?
This episode of Explaining Mechanics will answer these and other questions. Don’t miss it!

Twitter: http://twitter.com/worldoftank...

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glass relic
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Yes and of course HEAT doesn't richochet, they either explode or skip off the armor.

hollow moth
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Watch the video, check on armor inspector or go to a room and check by yourself. It's literraly a fact.

glass relic
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Why would I check it myself when I have someone that can prove it to me so, i won't falsely claim it myself?

hollow moth
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And why wouldn't I falsely claim too? I've done It even in training rooms

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I've showed two proofs, that's enough

glass relic
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Then show it to me 😂, i asked about you doing it in training room and see if the Shell's actually hit the ground after hitting the tank.

Fine if that's enough.

hollow moth
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If you have an account in EU, then I can do it and show for you, if don't then nevermind

minor mica
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When will they nerf the smasher

spark basin
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when hell freezes over

minor mica
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Idk why they’re removing the missiles the thing they loved and wanted to introduce when could just increase the armor on most if not at least all of the tanks to make the missile harder to pen you

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But oh well we’ll what happens in the future

glass relic
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It's irrelevant to buff up tanks armor just for missile then they have to buffing the other tanks pen too, meaning the cycle will repeat like the heavy HPs

minor mica
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Yea just realized that

spark basin
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also missiles can straight up nullify angled armor especially if they come in from above

glass relic
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Yeah but still that it's a bad idea if somehow wg approve the idea of buffing tanks armor just for the sake of missile.

spark basin
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thats just a band aid to the problem, take a hammer to the root cause and remove said cause instead of beating around the bush

minor mica
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Yea that’s true

hollow moth
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Imagine putting a band aid on a pistol shot wound, well, that's what WG did in heavy tank HP buff to deal with missiles

spark basin
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nvm im wrong

nocturne tiger
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Should I buy the SU 122-44

glass relic
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They tried to make HT viable again, in any cases.

spark basin
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they threw several band aids at the atgm tanks, sheridan mobility nerf, t92 armor nerf

lean jungle
lean jungle
glass relic
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T26E5 get it, i prefer not buying 252u because 112-2 does the job way better.

lean jungle
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OK, thanks

lean jungle
hollow moth
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@nocturne tiger yeah, it's a good TD.
It have good DPM because of a generous reload and a good alpha, the penetration used to be bad but it was "resolved" on 7.4 update

Your main problems will be the lack of armor (Your armor will only work against tier 6 tanks of a few tier 7 meds, but it's normal since you're a medium TD) and the precision (which isn't a problem too because the maps aren't big)

nocturne tiger
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Well, what premium tank should I buy then? I got like 4787 gold and I'm trying desperately to get more gold before black friday ends

hollow moth
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Well, with this all, you can just buy ISU-122 but won't be so worthy, because it's just a faster SU-152 with tier 8 gun@nocturne tiger

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Tbh, this black Friday wasn't as interesting as last year, so unless if you're interested on a faster BP or a faster SU-152 with 122mm gun, then I can't recommend a cheap tier 7 for you. Sorry bro.

lethal kindle
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Just buy the e25, that's the only thing worth in this BFday

hollow moth
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A Löwe and an E25, both with legendary camouflages, all equipment slots, an avatar and Idk what else

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Obviously this was before the prices increase 55% for Brazilian currency, but really? I literraly bought a tier 7 and 8 for the price of a tier 7

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That was a good early Christmas present

lethal kindle
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yea but this includes booster, coupon,, x5 exp(useless) and credits, expensive but that's the only offer worth it comparing to 252u

hollow moth
lethal kindle
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cough cough thats WG bro cough cough

hollow moth
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Ah yes, and I also remembered

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This E25 pack is basically worthless when compared to another pack from December 2019

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There was a KpfPz 70 (no equipements and no legendary camo as I remember) with this exactly same price

reef breach
spark basin
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nah man its a single shot tank

hollow moth
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Auto loader, there's quite a real difference between both

wise moth
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@glass relic HEAT does ricochet at an angle of 85 degrees, although, that angle is so steep that it essentially doesn't matter, since even if it didn't ricochet, it probably wouldn't be able to pen anyway

reef breach
candid harbor
zealous anchor
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Is wz110 played like is3

graceful whale
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Any tips for the WZ 121? Just researched it and am like 1.3 million credits away

potent forum
subtle mason
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Ugh, 121B has 90% credit coefficient. Why so low for a premium?

open solstice
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@graceful whale don't fire on move,stop,wait for a sec and shoot
Turret is strong to go hulldown but wiggle since gold can pen
Hull armor is good enough when you angle to bounce meds but don't count on it against heavies and td
It has best aim time probably in game but trash on-move accuracy

graceful whale
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Hmmm calibrated or gun rammer
I'm going to lower dispersion but will have a 2.4 second aim time coz no Vsab

glass relic
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Supercharger will help your accuracy and refined gun surely is nice when you're like 100m

open solstice
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Rammer or cs depends on your playstyle
I use cs mostly and switch it sometimes
Supercharger is good for accuracy but i would say gun laying drive might suit you for beginning since it's a different playstyle
You can alter it later on

graceful whale
glass relic
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The tank already has good aim time no need gld tho.

graceful whale
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I'm really used to playing T62A and T-54
I think I'm gonna need that penetration buff

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Hmm fair point with the aim time

open solstice
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Enhanced armor does not matter much if you're going to use it
People can either pen you with no difficulty or cannot

glass relic
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It does helping by reducing the risk

graceful whale
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I always run enhanced armor, just a habit I have
If there's a chance I can increase enemy not penning, I'm gonna take it

glass relic
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^

distant nebula
graceful whale
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Anyways, thanks for the tips, going to hop in and play as soon as im home

open solstice
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Its upto you but trust me
Hp comes in handy more often then the armor in 121

graceful whale
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It's just your russian hulldown Meds with another gun inmit

glass relic
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Bouncing people more than usual is handy than getting shot a lot

subtle mason
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Yo folks, how is 121B in current meta?

glass relic
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Pre buff 62a with 40 more alpha, and minus the lazer accurate but still a good gun.

subtle mason
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Oh well, I've never had soviet meds

teal pumice
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my camera lens are broken... so selfie mode for HD... kill me.

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Dafrick

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Ok no! Add pz I as a T1 has Pz 2 as a T2 but have Pz 3 Pz 35T as a multi choise recherchable tank

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Uh bro, this is blitz not WOT-C or WOT-PC we have no Czech line

karmic nymph
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But we will soon

nocturne tiger
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Any tips for the P 43 ter?

royal charm
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Tiger II - which modules to free exp

dense torrent
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turret and the first 10,5

wispy rain
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Yeah, get that turret 100%, your gonna need it to do well. The stock tiger II is hot garbage with its horrid weakspots, and the first 10.5 is arguably better than the long 8.8 it can mount, even if there is a noticeable DPM difference, since Tier 8 Heavies will easily bounce the long 8.8 guns AP or even its prammo since youll be fighting them likely from the front..as you should be with the Tiger II, as its a frontline heavy

merry vigil
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I dreaming about sexy beast E90 in blitz, armor like E100, canon 128mm (little better statistics than E75 have) , mobility like E75, nice looking and balanced premium or collector tank on tier IX, think about it WG.

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wispy rain
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Oh my lord..that is beautiful. But I think its armor should be a little less than E 100 so its more of a fair fight for tier 9s

merry vigil
wispy rain
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I know that, but E100 armor would be a little overpowered for a tier 8 to go against (little? probably much more than little, especially in the hands of a skilled player)

merry vigil
strange thicket
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Being a premium doesn't mean it shoukd be broken

wispy rain
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The thing that makes me want to go against it going in is that its basically a better E 75, which is kinda not what I'd want. This E-90 shouldn't completely invalidate the E-75, but instead serve as an alternative. Better Armor, but it should have significantly worse mobility, worse gun handling, worse spotting range, worse turret and hull traverse, maybe slightly worse frontal turret armor so you play it more like an E-100 by angling the turret

strange thicket
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Bruh

hollow moth
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Well, I'm quite experienced with Jagdpanzer E100 armor and I can guarantee that E100 armor isn't broken

wispy rain
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At tier 10 and 9. What about tier 8?

hollow moth
hushed shadow
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Tier 8 doesn’t face the E100 unless it’s a fail toon. But a fail toon is never a good idea because you can face enemies two tiers higher, and the game isn’t balanced around +-2 MM

wispy rain
hushed shadow
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Ah ok, my bad

hollow moth
final night
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ISU-152 basically could pen everything @hollow moth

merry vigil
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what wrong is with broken tanks ? i love this even if they kill me like sheridan with atgm 😝

hollow moth
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I'm gonna pretend I didn't see this

merry vigil
wispy rain
merry vigil
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ok what you want, just relax and make fun 😉

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by the way i love atgm 💕

teal swallow
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bro, which one is better? T26E4 superpershing with Lorraine 40 T?

wispy rain
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Lorraine 40 T by a long shot.

fading knoll
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Can someone help me understand why the IS 8 has less armor than the IS 3 considering that is one tier above?

I don't understand what are the good things about this tank. The turret can be pen on the front, it has almost the same speed and hull armor as the is 3, and damage.

So basically I'm just paying to get 500 extra hp on the is 3?

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Maybe in just playing it the wrong way but I feel like it was a really bad investment

teal swallow
earnest mantle
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Lorraine has mobility and the clip size, super perishing has...nothing.

wispy rain
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So, the super pershing has garbage turret armor that can be easily penned, awful mobility for a med and a meh gun. Lorraine 40 T has paper armor, good mobility and a great autoloader gun.

teal swallow
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okay I understand now, so lorraine 40 t is better in terms of refill weapons and mobility .. thanks bro @earnest mantle @wispy rain

wispy rain
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No problem

earnest mantle
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Its just that the superpershing combines the weaknesses of both heavies and meds and the armor isn't nearly goof enough to conpensate

wispy rain
earnest mantle
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Is8 has a great gun with 374 mm of heat pen with cs

teal swallow
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but I've invested in Germany to get the Maus hahaha

merry vigil
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If maus is your first tier X its good choice this is noob friendly tank 😉

teal swallow
merry vigil
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no maus is nice but very simple to play 😅

teal swallow
merry vigil
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t 22 medium 😝

wispy rain
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Uh...three things. 1) Maus isnt as simple to play as people make it out to be, you need to know how to angle the Maus. 2) Maus is not noob friendly..in general, the German Tier 10s are not noob friendly at all. T-62A is more noob friendly than the Maus by a good extent. 3) Maus is a very very good tank in the hands of the right person, and meh in the hands of the average person

merry vigil
teal swallow
teal swallow
balmy wagon
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WG need to stop placing some broken collectable or premium tank, it's ruined everything, especially that annihilator and smasher, i believe most of community hate it, even compared to missile

balmy wagon
teal swallow
merry vigil
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I love anihi and smash 🤣

balmy wagon
merry vigil
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thx i love this tooo 😂

teal swallow
balmy wagon
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On performance, although they have different playstyle, maus has better statistic on firepower and armor, kranvagn has good turret armor for hulldown tank, better gun handling than maus and it has autoreloading mechanism

teal swallow
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🤝

solid gate
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Is E100 more noob friendly than Maus?

merry vigil
balmy wagon
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IS 4 more noob friendly

merry vigil
solid gate
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Is the T 34 a good tank?

gentle wasp
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tier 8 heavy? yes

brisk jacinth
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How do you find emil 2?

gentle wasp
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it's a tier 9 Swedish heavy, found on the European tech tree.

brisk jacinth
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How is it?

gentle wasp
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gets a lot of hate as the worst out of the three heavies, I don't know much about it so I can't really say

brisk jacinth
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Ok thank you

gentle wasp
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no problem man, if you would like to do some research on your own there are plenty of stats available on blitzstars and blitzhangar, and you can also view gameplay on youtube.

brisk jacinth
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You are right thank you

jade saddle
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@gentle wasp do you have a British tank I don’t hear people talk about British tanks that often besides the TD

tulip edge
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@solid gate In my opinion, I believe the E-100 is. It has slightly more mobility, better penetration if you’re using the 15cm.
Also I think it is more comfortable than the maus, because the average ‘noob’ will have little understanding of using the rear mounted turret. If you think about a noobs movement, they tend to expose themselves and get themselves killed way easier in a rear mounted tank, as they are exposing themselves far more. E-100, in my experience watching noobs play, is far more friendlier to their basic movement.
Both tanks do require knowledge of angling the turret and hull to be truly proficient in it though

gentle wasp
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@jade saddle I only have a few in my garage right now, and I have only played the Chimera and CR in the last month.

tulip edge
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I love british tanks. First nation I went down and completed

gentle wasp
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4202 was one of my first lines and I greatly regret it.

tulip edge
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My first tier ten was the fv215b and I absolutely butchered the stats on it lol

gentle wasp
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if it wasn't for the Cent 1 I would probably have every single med/light in the game over 50%. kinda sucks.

spark basin
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fv 301 makes the centurion 1 irrelevant

tulip edge
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I kinda skipped the Cent 1. The cent 7/1 was better and more enjoyable but wasn’t a fan of it. Fv4202 is quite enjoyable for random battles though

tulip sail
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My first complete line was the M48 and I loved every tank in the line but the t20 it was meh

gentle wasp
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I grinded the Cent a way before the Brit Lights and it still wasn't that good. Now it's just at the bottom of the pile and I will never buy it back and rehab it. :/

tulip edge
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Yeah The cents were never amazing. The introduction of the British Lights just doomed them into further irrelevancy

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In other news I got the T57 heavy after playing less than 100 battles in the T54E1 thanks to x3 certificates and boosters lol.
I’m not selling my T54E1 though. I love the tank a lot

gentle wasp
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impressive.

jade saddle
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Oh! @gentle wasp how do you feel about the Czech line coming up and about the stg?

gentle wasp
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@jade saddle hyped for the Czech line just because it is some more meds for me to play. not too good at autoloaders and don't know much about the rest of the line, so not expecting too much other than that. better to set expectations low and be pleasantly surprised I guess.
As for the STG I have very little interest. big alpha and a strong turret is nice, but I need gun depression. I won't be buying it.

spark basin
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stg has a fat cupola

upper jolt
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So the spic is hard as hell to play. Not gonna lie

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What's the secret for this little car with a gun

wispy rain
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Play smart, relocate to new positions. Be ready to run away at any time from incoming fast tanks. Use your allies as your back-up in case a Dracula or a T49 shows up (they are quite literally the anti-SP 1C). Use your big damage potential to slap someone while they aren't looking at you. Your small stature and good camo makes spotting a viable option as well, use it well. Try to not be frontline, but don't snipe in it either.

upper jolt
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Welp I'm bit dumb so rip

azure patio
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BC-25t line is even harder lol . amx 12t especially is a torture

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18 second reload , about 500 clip damage , worst gun depression in history with 4 degree

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But reaching 70 km/h with it is fun ngl

inland ivy
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whats the tank with 3 GD?

wispy rain
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SU-100M1 has either 3 degrees of gun depression or 2, can't remember which.

upper jolt
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I'm a fool thinking I shouldn't have tried light tanks lol

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I have 45% win rate lmfao

azure patio
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Are you grinding for your first T10? @upper jolt

gentle wasp
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Leo 1 line is a bad choice if you aren't skilled/experienced

quartz belfry
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Mhm

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Wassup @gentle wasp

gentle wasp
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hello

quartz belfry
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Grinding 3 t7 right now, amx 13 75, comet, t34-1

azure patio
gentle wasp
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34-1 is a beast. just rebought it and even though I can't manage the gun depression well, it is still really good.
@azure patio still not a good idea

quartz belfry
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All incredible tanks but ive been braindead today lol so trash

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its a beast dude, the alpha and turret is what makes it so nice, u can trade shots with most med

gentle wasp
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yea that alpha is really nice, and the gun as a whole performs pretty well.

quartz belfry
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Yup was surprised that it had good dispersion/aim time especially considering how bad most chinese meds are in that regard

upper jolt
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@azure patio not necessarily. I've gotten up to teir 8 in some trees. And just decided to try a different line. Favorite is Soviet mediums

quartz belfry
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Hows the t34-2 if u have experience with it

upper jolt
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I dont really care about getting a teir X because of the credit losses at those teirs

gentle wasp
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didn't really click with me but it is pretty much more of the same. big alpha (400) and a decent turret.

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it does get the Chinese aim time on the 122 which is a nice little perk

quartz belfry
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Yesss

azure patio
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I have a problem . When I get a tier 10 , I dont wanna play it
Because that is the highest you can get , there is nothing to grind after T10 which makes me feel wasting time while playing them . I played max 15 games with my IS-7 which I got 2 weeks ago

quartz belfry
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I love that aspect, i rly enjoyed the t34-3 so im pretty pumped for the tech tree version

upper jolt
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I have no desire to play teir X. Same reason I never flew jets in war thunder even though I have them all. Just way too much fake currency if you do poorly or even average

quartz belfry
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@azure patio ur playing for fun at that point, or to improve etc, i personally like farming aces in tanks that i don’t necessarily need to play

gentle wasp
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you should definitely like it then. 34-3 has a bit more hull armor and pen, but the 34-2 is a little faster with a lower profile. if that playstyle works for you then you won't have a problem

quartz belfry
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Yessir, i think id prefer a speeder t34-3 lol

azure patio
quartz belfry
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Whats ur all time fav line?

upper jolt
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Aim time is faster for the t-34-3 though

quartz belfry
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Ah i see

azure patio
gentle wasp
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by .09 seconds.
Favorite line would probably be the American lights just because of the sheer amount of fun I have gotten from the T-49 and T92E1.

quartz belfry
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Lol i see, im thinking of trying to speedy grind that line before atgms are removed

azure patio
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I have chosen the lorraine as my black friday offer and I regret none of it

quartz belfry
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Ohhh yessss same, lorraine is an absolute beast

gentle wasp
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I'm going to play them even more after the removal, can't wait. also getting a nice camo too.

tulip sail
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My favorite line is probably the M48

quartz belfry
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you guys are all muricans smfh

tulip sail
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I mean my reason is in my name

azure patio
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American E5 is the tank I wanna grind sometime but not now . T62-A and then BC 25t and then maybe Ho-Ri or E5

tulip sail
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I'm working my way on several lines rn

azure patio
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Im grinding both T62A and BC 25t but %70 T62A %30 BC 25t

wispy rain
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I'm pretty sure the original idea of the prototype was (correct me if I'm wrong here) to take the Panzer I's the Germans had left and turn them into a new light tank, essentially revamping them so they were still usable, near the end of WW2 probably. Guessing it didn't get far since autoloaders in a tiny light tank doesnt really make sense for the tech available at the time

hollow moth
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@wispy rain actually no, according to the wiki of WarGaming.net (not an official website but have some good informations about tanks), the SP 1 C was designed on mid 50's (1956-1962 to be exact)

wispy rain
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Ah, thank you

solid gate
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@wispy rain that’s not it at all spah panzer was supposed to be a scout tank

wispy rain
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..Isn't a light tank a scout tank? Kinda seems redundant to call it a 'scout tank' when 'light tank' seems like a more aptly fitting phrase. After all, what sort of scout tank gets an 85mm autoloader?

solid gate
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It’s an 88 the gun design is also for low velocity rounds which was the norm for light tanks post war

wispy rain
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Ohhh okay, gotcha. So the cannon can't really pen a lot of armor with its lacking shell velocity, then.

solid gate
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The gun normally would rely on HEAT which doesn’t require velocity=lower pressure since all the payload is within the round

wispy rain
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Ah, gotcha

stone minnow
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e3 or e4

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what get?

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e3 it is...

strange thicket
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E3

grave fjord
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Do you like watered down e100s?

hollow moth
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E3 have an actual good armor and broken consumables, when compared to E4, it have some slightly better gun stats like precision and gun depression/elevation

E4 have a worse armor, precision, gun elevation/depression, but have a turret that can turn 180 degrees. Also, it's acceleration is better.@stone minnow

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Go for E3 because it's a real good frontline TD, even Jagdpanzer E100 HEAT can struggle to penetrate it if you don't aim well

scarlet echo
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Wot blitz is now broken

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I freaking aimed at cromel b and when I shot it hit the terrain instead of the tank

onyx venture
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The E4 really needs some more gun depression to make it more competitive; personally I think it just needs 1 more degree of gun depression to be there, but more is welcome

solid gate
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You could give it all the gun dep in the world and the weak points will still keep it down

tepid notch
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T95E6 needs buff

upper jolt
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Is there like a t-44 that's stronger but feels similar? Lol.

gentle wasp
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Type 59 is probably the closest match. trades gun handling for armor and top speed.

graceful juniper
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the smasher and the annihilator need a nerf

upper jolt
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Type 59 must be a rarer premium cuz I dont see it for sale currently

gentle wasp
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it's sold pretty often, but not all the time because it is not a tech tree premium.

meager coral
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T54 ltwt probably performs slightly better, and play style wise should be sorta similar

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It has a slightly better 100mm and is faster. Plus it has a troll turret

chrome fog
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how do tier 5's and 4's ricochet off su-85?

gentle wasp
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angled sides and mantlet

restive tangle
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I bought the vk 90 premium when it was out and I never got it

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I’m so confused why I did not get it

gentle wasp
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if you have proof of purchase send a ticket to player support

restive tangle
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I did

gentle wasp
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then all you can do is wait for an answer.

lethal kindle
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Smasher is basically kv2 but with better alpha and accuracy

hollow moth
quartz belfry
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Yo tank u there

gentle wasp
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?

quartz belfry
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Hi im bored wanna talk, waiting for bus

gentle wasp
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sure what about
oh where are you going

quartz belfry
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Back home from work,
wanna toon later?

kind falcon
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stop comparing KV-2 and smasher, they are different tiers

gentle wasp
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depends how late you're going to be on. I'm probably getting off in an hour or so.

quartz belfry
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Ayt lit

gentle wasp
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oh sure we can toon a bit then.

quartz belfry
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Didgeridoos cheoscghe are u playing right now?

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Bro u know u were featured on pantouf’s vid a while back

gentle wasp
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I am, off and on. and yes, sadly that was poached from Meat Locker's channel. Long story but you should check out his video.

quartz belfry
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Ooo okay bet

hollow moth
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👀

knotty umbra
candid harbor
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aww xd

knotty umbra
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Pat the chaffe or it will kill u in woTb forever

candid harbor
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@wise moth hey hey, does e100 has armour behind gun mantlet?

pliant viper
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The thing that I love about t92 is that it can hold its own in tier 10 easily

nocturne tiger
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252U or Lorraine 40t?

( looking for credit maker in these 2

nocturne tiger
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Nevermind I'm buying the Löwe

next solstice
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252u MIGHTve been better

open solstice
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How to play 215b

solid gate
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does the Maus need a buff?
now i have had the maus for a good amount of time now, i get its playstyle and everything, i can easily pull a 2.5 - 3k game relatively often, but i feel like it either needs a buff or tier 10 premium ammo needs a phat nerf, heavy tanks specifically. the Maus with calibrated gets 327mm of pen while the t57 heavy, is4, e5, and e100 get roughly 340 without anything. and then these tank are practically counters to the Maus because they just load heat and bam penetration, ez gg end of game. people always say "jUsT AnGle MoRe" but what can i do against 3 shells with 360mm of pen from a t57 :/

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but, then again that begs the question- how would you buff it

  • buff the armor it might be too strong, however it would be more specific for the Maus and make it stronger itself
  • nerf tier 10 heavy prammo is much needed and would give a big indirect buff to the Maus, i mean this should happen anyways like cmon
    -buff the gun, that would be nice, i think the pen is ok bringing more reason to nerf the overkill pen on other heavies ahem but like, maybe an alpha buff that was brought up before, it makes it more formidable and scary instead of like an e5 just sup bro and spam heat into your upper plate with nothing to defend with ;-----;
open solstice
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The prammo on heavies need a nerf
The maus is good in state
It only struggles with prammo spam of heavies and that too,can be avoided by angling

solid gate
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but its just so difficult, if your angling you cant shoot, and if they cant pen they are not gonna shoot you they just shoot your team, defeating the purpose, you go shoot and a big heat round in you cheek and its just so
AHHHHHH

brisk jacinth
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Whick camo is nicer for kranvagn

glass relic
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Ikea

nocturne tiger
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What is the recommended Equipment for Löwe?

hardy rapids
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Nah the best camo for kranvagn is the dragon camo. The eyes make it look like they are pennable but they arnt. You cna bait the enemy into firing but doing nothing.

chrome fog
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why do people use the kv 2 derp gun when it's trash and has no pen

rich condor
solid gate
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Please make animation for Sta-Rin gamo that lady goes in the tank before battle.

violet bane
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Can you guys add more penetration to the pershing. It just sucks. Or maybe a little more health?

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It seems underpowered for a teir 8

inland ivy
#

Is lorraine a good clipper
and whats 252us gun like

spark basin
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horrible, 32th worst dispersion out of all tier 8 heavies

storm blade
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should i get the T49 or should i get Emil 1

formal karma
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Do you like fun or winning

storm blade
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winning?

formal karma
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Emil it is for you then.

storm blade
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alright then

autumn garden
formal karma
#

Being lucky with a gun does not disprove hard stats.

pliant viper
fast compass
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From what i understand 260 is literally a better is7. We will see how they balance it here. And i am baffled that people thought it would come anything other than as a collector.

fluid parrot
formal karma
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Not sure where you're messing up with the Nana-Yon considering it's one of the better Tier X meds to my knowledge.

fluid parrot
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@formal karma just bad MM enemy are too strong and sniper HT

lethal kindle
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Obj260 shouldnt and won't replace is7 in purpose, from the pic it seems that the hull is based on 252U, maybe it's a faster is 7 but less hull armor, turret armor might be less due to the designation, but still can bounce a lot of shot from whatever angle

glass relic
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It's basically a hybrid of IS-4 and IS-7 to make the Playstyle more diverse

balmy mesa
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Yo is the Type 64 any good?

glass relic
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As a free damage

strange thicket
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@balmy mesa just get a vk 28

tribal cave
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type 64 or tie fighter

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and is fv201 good?

glass relic
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The Pz4S is the better choice and 201 just sucks Because no armor with unreliable turret because of cupola +Forehead, only a noob proof. @tribal cave

balmy wagon
candid harbor
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hah
exposed

brittle atlas
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when is the update coming, i got the t92e1 super fast, i never expected to get it so fast

low rampart
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Should I sell the fv217 badger for the 252?

lyric oriole
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I wouldn't because 252u has a trash gun, but I doubt my work will be worth much against the masses of players that will fawn over the 252u

wise moth
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  1. Don't sell tier 10s
  2. 252U is good, but extremely boring to play
lyric oriole
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Tbh though badger is pretty bad

wise moth
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It is, but you shouldn't sell tier 10s

lyric oriole
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It's a collector, unlike the others it can be gotten back without additional cost in the future

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Selling a tier 10 is bad

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Selling a tier 10 collector has no downside

low rampart
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I've only played a few matches with the badger, it's not that bad, bounce almost all shots on the front, peek and back to cover, did a good enough work.

lyric oriole
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It's still in the honeymoon period for you, gotta keep playing it with normal MM then it won't be as fun

kindred wren
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The honeymoon period is a rumour

lyric oriole
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It was actually confirmed in the past @kindred wren

kindred wren
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By?

low rampart
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@lyric oriole Who hurt you after honeymoon?
And then the 252 is good, particularly it's sides are impenetrable. I've literally never penned the sides after a dozen matches.

lyric oriole
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A long long time ago when people actually used forums we used to talk about things like this, a person sent in s ticket inquiring and it was confirmed via support screenshot and all

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Now trying to find a link to that thread from about 4-5 years ago, that's more of a task then I feel like looking for but if you have the time search it up on the NA forum

kindred wren
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There is a ten games period when you won’t get into a match with tank higher than yourself (unless you are in a platoon or upgraded your tank)

wise moth
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*5 game

kindred wren
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I certainly won’t search the forum which is super messy for proof of your claim (I wasn’t certain if it’s 5 or 10, looks like I guessed wrong)

low rampart
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Do you mean you don't play against good players for the first few matches?
And I thought I was the best in the game...

kindred wren
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No, you don’t play against higher tier tanks for the first five matches

low rampart
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Oh it's a tier 10 so I played tier 10s and 9s.

kindred wren
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And then there is another rumour that there are somewhat separate MM queues for players below 5k battles and players above 5k battles

lyric oriole
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Pure speculation on my end but I've noticed I'm generally one of the only tier 10s during the honeymoon period

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Why is everything a rumour?

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On EU and RU that exists

wise moth
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^

low rampart
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I haven't played a full tier 10 match yet, only me and another tank, then others were tier 9. I'll have to test a few more.

kindred wren
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Because WG never explicitly stated it as far as I’m aware

lyric oriole
kindred wren
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And I won’t state something as a fact if I’m not sure that it’s a fact

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Show me an official statement and I will instantly take it as a fact

wise moth
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@kindred wren I can't find the original statement, but here's a statement referencing its existence

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"In update 5.4, we improved the matchmaker in order to put newbies against each other more often"

/Mic drop

hushed shadow
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so this ‘honeymoon period’ ends as soon as you buy one module? Even if you don’t have the engine and tracks, for example?

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Because I got an STI and T54E1 yesterday, and both were bottom tie in the first battle, and all I bought was the top gun on the tanks

kindred wren
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@wise moth picks up mic If you read that it is very clear that this has nothing to do with the number of battles played

hushed shadow
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I never read anything on the 5k battles, and idk where people found out about it being 5k battles

kindred wren
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@hushed shadow Yes, one module is enough, at least in my experience

hushed shadow
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Ah

kindred wren
upper jolt
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RU 251 or get the ingen panzer after the sp ic

kindred wren
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I personally would go for the Ru 251 because I think it’s more fun, but the Indien is also a decent choice if you like med gameplay. Both aren’t incredibly strong but I think that the Ru has more potential

upper jolt
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So far not a huge light tank lover. So it's hard choice. I still dont have the panther line yet so might go back and grind that idk

kindred wren
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The Panther line is a very solid choice by all means

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The Leopard 1 line on the other hand is rather underwhelming and sometimes outright a pain to play

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In case anyone wonders, the three screenshots are from the news feed, namely the articles on update 5.3, 6.2 and 6.3 respectively (top to bottom)

solid gate
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How to play st1 and equipment for it?

kindred wren
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Always hide your lower plate, and other than that you can both hulldown and (to a lesser degree) sidescrape quite comfortably

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It’s a typical meta superheavy much like the E75 with a decent gun, good armour and bad but still somewhat ok mobility

fallen sun
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guys which is a better choice to go for
IS 7 or Maus
asking for a friend As I already have maus

upper jolt
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What medium line do you think is the strongest?

fallen sun
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I feel E50M is a really solid med but except for prolly panther 1 everything else sucks in its line

fallen sun
unique dragon
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What is The Earn Rate for t32 @wise moth

wise moth
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@unique dragon 102%

unique dragon
gentle wasp
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play better.

unique dragon
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Boi I do

gentle wasp
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you can't do two shots of damage and expect to gain credits in 99% of tanks.

unique dragon
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This is my First tier 8

wise moth
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@unique dragon For one spot, 521 damage, and a win at tier 8, that's exactly what you would get with a 102% credit coefficient. You'll have to do more damage if you want to get more credits

unique dragon
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Like..when I Did 1,000 And it Gave me Flipping 8 credits

spark basin
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how is the wot pc manticore compared to the vickers light

unique dragon
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I have A Question um What Damage do u have to do To get Ace on T32

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@wise moth

gentle wasp
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Masteries aren't about damage, they are about xp, and there is no set benchmark.

wise moth
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@unique dragon Well, the ace bar moves (and is also based on XP, not necessarily damage), so it's tough to say, but if I had to guess, I'd say you'd probably have to do >3.5k damage

unique dragon
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Ooh ok That’s Easy

low rampart
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Is the 252 worth it or should I wait for a better deal?

solid gate
low rampart
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I'm kinda putoff by the gameplay which is similar to the IS-3.

solid gate
wise moth
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@low rampart I mean, it's a good tank, just super boring to play

solid gate
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@wise moth would you recommend spending coupons on the type 62 if I already have a drac?

wise moth
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Well, personally, I've always wanted to like Type 62, but I just can't make it work lol.

From a more objective standpoint, Type 62 is pretty mediocre nowadays, especially in the heavy meta, and when there's Smasher's and Annihlators running around. It's just not as special as it used to be when it was the only light tank above tier 5

pliant lodge
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JP II slight HE pen buff?

spark basin
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dont think it needs one

low rampart
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@wise moth Yeah, I mean I already enjoy the IS-3, decent amount of victories. It wouldn't be as unique to buy the 252 except for tournaments which I don't do much.

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Agents playing peek-a-boo are my new nightmare now.

zinc prawn
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Buff FV 183's camouflage concealment values

hollow moth
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What about no?

old valve
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Btw do you have to buy the Sheridan before Update 7.5 or do you just have to research it to get the Sheridan Missile?

hollow moth
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All you need is research it @old valve

old valve
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Kk thx

open solstice
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They should implement obj 277 line next year
Would be very good for the game and the meta

solid gate
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Nope

hollow moth
static harness
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They should sit down and fix all the problems the game has first

hollow moth
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Then no, no 277 for now@open solstice

open solstice
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277 is like a russian version of 5a
It's hull is supposed to be troll but it's gun and turret is supposed to be amazing
The way it is,it fits the meta too
Btw they ruined 5a in blitz,it's one of the best in pc

wise moth
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@hollow moth Turret armor is all that matters

dense torrent
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bruh when are we gonna get Obj. 705A (russian rear-turreted)

pliant lodge
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Please remove the weakspot at the mantlet of AT 15. It's extremely annoying

open solstice
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I'm afraid that if they implement 705a,it will be more broken then is4 lol
Not to forget,705a is probably the best sidescraper in pc and has 650 alpha gun(if they bring it to blitz,it will be 560)

solid gate
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Not necessarily 560 the 560 treatment is really random

static harness
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So first heavy with 800 alpha just because why not?

solid gate
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No

open solstice
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Well they can give it usual 640 alpha for 152mm gun it has
But then,e100 would be played less often

static harness
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At this point we are just waiting for the 279e
So that t10 is finally dead

open solstice
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Or 907 lol

next solstice
open solstice
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Yea but they can reduce dpm of 60tp(if they bring it)to 2200-ish like vk72k
E100 still be the boss having decent dpm and best alpha for heavy

next solstice
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id go lower tbh.

pure sleet
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lower than kranvagn 😳

analog verge
rigid condor
#

Looks kind of like a sheridan with a t62a turret. Probably isnt tho.

pure sleet
#

imagine how broken that would be

unique dragon
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@wise moth

royal charm
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@hollow moth sidescrape behind building or rock

solid gate
#

Hello

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I'm new to world of tanks

tepid geyser
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Welcome

stuck meadow
#

Should i get excelsior or some other tier 5 tank?

lunar fiber
#

Anyone want to platoon blitz na server tier 8?

brittle atlas
#

is there a difference in atgm controll in the t92e1 and sheridan

kind falcon
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no

solid gate
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There is I forgot exactly what it was but iirc the t92s has the missile fly slower and turn less? I could be confusing it with the sheridans

analog verge
red sonnet
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Tiger p or tiger 1
Which should I get

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Tiger p it is

hollow notch
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@red sonnet tiger 1

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Tiger 1 is better, but you really can't go wrong with either

gentle wasp
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Both above average tanks but Tiger 1 has a better gun, better mobility, and better effective armor.

red sonnet
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I've been told that the Tiger (P) might be ugly but it is more fun to play than the I cuz it leads up to the maus and stuff. I do like the Tiger II though

tulip sundial
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They need to make the stock grind for old vehicles easier, vehicles that have been recently added have such a short stock grind, but older tanks have like 3 engines, 3 guns and new tracks

lyric copper
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@tulip sundial it’s called free exp

tulip sundial
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And that’s something not everyone has

lyric copper
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But everyone can get

tulip sundial
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Just because you pour your wallet into the game doesn’t mean everyone else does, and I used all my free xp on other tanks, I don’t keep 200k free xp laying around

lyric copper
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I literally don’t pour my wallet either, and yet can still make more than 50k free exp a month

kindred wren
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The xp required for each line is something Wargaming considers. I haven’t actually done it but if you could all xp required for a line together you should get more or less the same value in the end, but that’s just speculation on my end

tulip sundial
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50k would barely get the gun of a tier 8

kindred wren
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50k really isn’t that much all things considered

lyric copper
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do yall even use free exp boosters

tulip sundial
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Yes, I have 300 of them

lyric copper
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why aren’t you using them

tulip sundial
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I do use them

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Still don’t make enough for 2 20k engines, 16k tracks, a 47k gun and an 80k gun

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Whereas newer tanks have 1 60k gun, a 20k engine and a 15k track

kindred wren
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What tank is that? ISU?

lyric copper
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I’m sorry what? you don’t research preceding modules on previous tanks?

wispy rain
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So, the problem is that a lot of tanks in the same tree don't share modules with their predecessor

tulip sundial
#

Right now I’m doing the SU-101

lyric copper
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and you didn’t get the gun from the M1...

tulip sundial
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No because that tank is worse than the 101

kindred wren
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Without the top gun it’s certainly worse

tulip sundial
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But why should there be so many guns? New tanks get like 2 guns, their stock gun and their max gun

kindred wren
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My recommendation is to get modules as low as possible. The higher the tier the worse the stock grind and the stronger the competition

lyric copper
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the top gun on the M1 has the 2nd highest pen at its tier for standard, highest prammo pen as the St.Emil lacks prammo

tulip sundial
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I’m doing fine in the 101, I’m doing 2k average I just think it’s dumb how many guns and engines there are

lyric copper
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just so ya know, the KV-1S has a gun that’ll be used all they way in tier 8, and IS has an engine that goes to tier 8, make sure to get them there

tulip sundial
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I already have the IS-7 and IS-4, but thanks

wispy rain
#

I mean, the top gun on the M1 is pretty good..other than the accuracy that I despise and the awful gun depression. The chassis just doesn't suit the gun well IMO, despite its strengths.

lyric copper
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@tulip sundial then you should know how to grind Soviet tech trees

tulip sundial
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But things like the IS and KV-3 aren’t actual trash like the M1 is... I guess the Kv-3 is trash now but i grinded it back when it wasn’t

lyric copper
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only reason M1 is trash is due to the -2° gun dep

kindred wren
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The KV-3 isn’t trash and never was trash

tulip sundial
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But you look at the Kranvagn or the Ho-Ri lines and they only have 2 guns, but older tanks have like 3-4 guns

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@kindred wren you dont see it used often because it’s outperformed by the IS in every way, it’s been powercrept

wispy rain
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Okay, let me explain. The M1 is actually pretty good, but it has a very unique playstyle. You need to be almost balls-to-the-wall, rush in and blast, then angle and wiggle to bounce enemy shots. Sniping is basically impossible with 2 degrees of gun depression, and the gun accuracy is pretty bad. It's got good dpm, great pen, and good alpha, and its a really speedy thing.

tulip sundial
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I have no issue with that, it’s how expensive old tanks grinds are

lyric copper
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@wispy rain it has .32 max disp without RG

solid gate
#

Enhanced armor or improved assembly for st1?

wispy rain
tulip sundial
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It seems after 5.5 every line they add is made to be as easy for new players as possible

lyric copper
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@wispy rain oh you haven’t seen misses with .244

wispy rain
gentle wasp
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@solid gate assembly

solid gate
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Thanks.

lyric copper
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@wispy rain Grille and Leopard 1 syndrome

wispy rain
#

Oh lordy, I hate missing shots with super accurate guns, but its not actually the worst for me. For me, it's missing a derp gun shot at close range during a time where I really want it to hit. The feeling of just...disappointment when it happens is hard to explain

lyric copper
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lovely when your shell denies the basic laws of physics and dips into the ground/ under the tank

wispy rain
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Or just decides it wants to go to the Macdonalds down the street instead of the tank its supposed to hit

lyric copper
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really love how the shell just ignores the gun barrel altogether and the shell magically gets attracted by some mysterious force downward

wispy rain
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The way the shells go anywhich place..it's like the gun barrel is one giant shotgun

tulip sundial
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I love it when I have point blank shot and my shell desires to fade into nothingness

radiant coral
#

I have the Panther

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Equipment choice ?

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I never used meds I try something new that’s why I ask

wise moth
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@tulip sundial Part of the reason why the SU-101 grind is bad is because the SU-122-54 grind is nearly nonexistent. You get the gun from the SU-101, and the engine from the T-54 so all you have to grind is the tracks

hollow moth
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Same goes for E100 and VK 72 lines, if you finish all the E100 line and got all the cannons and engines, all you need to do is get the turrets and the tracks

tulip sundial
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Yeah I finished the E-100 and I got the Vk45.02 B

radiant coral
#

I’m seriously getting mixed with that kind off, "people" dude, that match so ridiculous...

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candid harbor
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lel you guys got speed runned

radiant coral
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I was third lowest, and have a bad pen, and still I could do more dmg then they all

radiant coral
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How do I send a replay, so you can see what I mean, I have the proof so

candid harbor
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except for you and fcm, rest were below the decent damage mark

radiant coral
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And they had chance’s to surround the Skorpion,... the Skorpion was alone.... and I faced the Obj. 252u wait lemme show you that all in pictures, ( I will not spam, just give me time )

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... this.. ok now I’m done, it just update, and it won’t let me watch the replay,.... this day starts already great, however, first minute was fine

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But they didn’t even pushed, they just stayed in the back while, I was at the front and were 1 vs 1 (not face hugging of course lol, I side scrapped and angled my armor under 20° so he can’t pen that’s how I survived)

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And the Tiger I, AMX 50 100 both of them didn’t pushed or surrounded the Skorpion, nah, they get just slapped by him and played with him hide & seek... it’s really... really ridiculous what you meet in those matches,.. and it hurts to see that “people” already are that lowest drawer

trim lily
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i hate na server so many people complain (expexly in things like 1v1 rooms and normal battles) about people using prem ammo

spark basin
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then they would hate wot with prammo being the same alpha as standard lol

trim lily
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lol

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they would stand no chance when wotb has +2-2 matchmaking

spark basin
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oh no that period straight up sucked, if your higher tier tanks were hot garbage players, say goodbye

trim lily
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it was fuuuuuun what do you meannnn its better then -1+1

spark basin
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bruh gl carrying in a tier 8 tank when the enemy has a tier 10 left

trim lily
#

cough cough every high tier tank was good

spark basin
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not really, tiger p was bad

trim lily
#

most high tier tanks where good most stuff from like tier 8 and up

spark basin
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yup but now most tanks that are here since +2/-2 mm have been powercrept with some tanks coming back with buffs

trim lily
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oooo imagine if wargaming made a gamode where there was +2-2 mm

candid harbor
#

Blast From Past

everyone would only play t54 as it was the best mbt at that time

spark basin
#

also the medium tank prammo pen nerf

hollow notch
#

The prammo alpha nerf hurt it the most.

and to this day it remains perfectly usable

north musk
gentle wasp
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soon
coming in the snow globes at the latest

spark basin
#

50 tp is still lost in testing

north musk
#

I re a l l y r e a l l y w a n t I t

quartz belfry
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Fck i rly want that tank too lol

chrome fog
#

is SU-100M1 good?

gentle wasp
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not really, it is highly situational and mostly annoying to play

spark basin
#

the gun depression hurts

chrome fog
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alr so im not gonna go for that line

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unless I want obj 263

gentle wasp
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nah don't bother

chrome fog
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k.

scarlet echo
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Why is it so difficult to get one kill!?!?!?

chrome fog
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no it isnt

umbral stone
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Is IS 5 good?

tulip sail
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Yes its the best t8 for its price

gentle wasp
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is5 is quite good for the price point. very valuable tank for a F2P.

scarlet echo
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I'm about to quit on this game if I don't get a kill by this night

hollow moth
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Want a tip? Play low tiers or high damage TDs @scarlet echo

scarlet echo
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I finally got a kill after 2 hours of playing Imma reward my self to some pizza

next solstice
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i dont like the is5 tbh. It's not bad considering how cheap it is but ill never consider it as "meta" either

scarlet echo
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Or maybe a impanada

solid gate
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Can I get tips for the oz 4 please I keep trying to angle the tank to block shots but I seem to keep messing it up

tulip sail
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It doesn't have enough armour to angle effectively

solid gate
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Oh sad I wonder how I stopped the kv-1 then

tulip sail
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Rng or he hit your manlet

solid gate
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He hit my side close to the front near the corner

tulip sail
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Ah it was probably rng since he should have enough to pen unless he got super unlucky and hit the corner of the plate

solid gate
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Idk I got a ammo rack on him and took a sigh of relief

lean jungle
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Should I get the 252U or E5?

chrome fog
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252U def

lean jungle
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OK, thanks

nocturne sage
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252u

wise moth
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T26E5

next solstice
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^

halcyon galleon
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Type 64

glass relic
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T26E5 all the way

plain wagon
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Ik about the awful ammo rack placement but is is7 a good tank regardless?

spark basin
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how good is the protective kit and is it worth using?

next solstice
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depends, some tanks have fragile modules

glass relic
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@spark basin it's good for tanks who tends to have weak modules and crews for example E5 it's viable to run proc kit to reduce your modules from getting damage,.

next solstice
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#bringbackwetammoracks

glass relic
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Wet

spark basin
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what if i run the protective kit on sheridan? is it good idea or no?

next solstice
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imo no

glass relic
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Worth it a bit since you're light tank and sacraficing 3% bonus on your fuel/food bonus won't gonna hurt that but, since sometimes you'll get he'd even if not pen it'll always damage your module / crew, but overall I don't recommend it.

spark basin
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alright, thanks

glass relic
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I'd recommend using proc kit on American, Russian and European lines most of them are quite fragile.

wise moth
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I only run protective kit on IS-7

glass relic
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Depends on the person preference mostly when it comes to fragile modules.

solid gate
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Nah just run fuel or food instead your a light which your not meant to be up close you’ll get hit anyways because no armor might aswell invest into more speed or quicker reload

glass relic
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Well those bonus repair speed might help too on your lighties.

solid gate
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That’s what dual repair kit is for

spark basin
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oh yeah, alongside the large rations and large fuel, do you guys run small fuel or small rations?

glass relic
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A must to run, i went with double food than double fuel.

wise moth
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Small rations

glass relic
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Bonus on your gun stats is way nicer than small mobility buff when 10% fuel is already helpful enough.