I couldn’t remember the name so I called it the Pz 38(t) TANK. I added the word TANK to say it isn’t the 38(t) but a copy of it.
#vehicles-discussion
solid gate
solid gate
Oh, the S35 and B2 I did figure out were not German. They’re French.
tulip sail
yet the amx pak 40 is german but has the french flag
yeah but those arent in game
no thats romanian
solid gate
If Pz 38(t) isn’t German then why is it listed under Germany on TE? Though it looks like some of them were made by others under German supervision. Not sure. Need to read.
wise moth
@solid gate Pz 38t is a Czech vehicle, but as we know, when it was produced, Germany ruled over Czechoslovakia, so they employed large numbers of them in the Wehrmacht
coarse isle
But pz 38 t from Czechoslovakia in ww2 german start invading and capture all of it include 35t 38t na and t25
@feral basin noice
solid gate
If Czechoslovakia produced the tank then China couldn’t have made or owned it first.
tulip sail
money says otherwise
solid gate
Chinese Pz 38(t) as far as I’m concerned is made up or was sold to them.
wise moth
Yeah, the 38t really has no business being in the Chinese tech tree.
solid gate
CZ 38(t) is basically recolored Pz 38(t).
tulip sail
and vickers
solid gate
Vickers? Basically a recolored British tank right?
tulip sail
not really vickers tanks were basicly a subway samwich you pick and choose what you want how you want it
there were an insane amount of choices that could even be 1 or 2 turrets
solid gate
Hmmm. Interesting. Still I don’t know why they removed the other Chinese tank and gave them the Pz 38(t) with Chinese coloring.
Anyway I want M4 Improved and the uh AGF’s Improved Medium in Blitz. Also T71 should be renamed T71 DA and the T71 CMCD added as a premium or whatever.
Chinese line to grind? Uh not sure yet. Probably TDs or heavies. Except the IS-2. It’s worse than the Russian IS-1 and IS-2.
the T-34-1 is a phenomenal tank.
Well mediums may be alright choice too.
They probably have different stats though.
One is a medium and the other a heavy after all.
WZ-110 looks like a great heavy. Not sure about the one after that.
WZ-111-5A?
I think that’s the name.
That’ll be cool. Anyway I’m gonna go. See ya.
thorn flame
Best way/advice to playing the T-54 ltwt?
foggy sandal
Pray u dont get hit and throw phone when point blank range u shells bounce from side armour of is 3 5 and 6 side
frigid compass
IS-6 doesnt even have troll armor but ok
solid gate
For a ltwt it does
foggy sandal
Man i have bad experience agains their sides
frigid compass
you can pen the IS-3 side with a 122mm that has 175 pen
foggy sandal
Im talking about t54 ltwt
frigid compass
@foggy sandal ltwt has 175 pen
solid gate
It's that stupid bounces that should not really happen
frigid compass
it can pen the is-3 side easy if you take 1 sec to actually aim
solid gate
I mean just shoot the drive wheel
foggy sandal
Like only the gun is annoying rest of its characteristics are good like u are immune from +800 he frontally ur turret is bouncy but fragial and speed and handling are epic
foggy sandal
Overall ull have fun w it but dont expect over 2k damige
I think its role is more of light tank hunter and recon(i dont like spotting mechanics as sometimes they make no sence)
stark owl
Should the skorp. G cost money?
livid vale
@solid gate i already know.
tulip sail
@stark owl why wouldn't it
stark owl
@tulip sail so normie ad watchers can have the tank too.
tulip sail
But then they cant make as much money or act like there giving a bigger deal
sullen depot
All I want is you guys to make tier 13 of modern tanks like M1A2C Abrams and others
solid gate
M1A2c is still being tested and classified @sullen depot nice try
placid crown
Add the mbt70 as a t10 researchable medium/ heavy for america, ot cpuld have atgms and branch off from the t9 atgm light tank as an uparmored but slower Sheridan
tulip sail
Why wouldn't it be t9
placid crown
It could but there would be complaints about it having that much armor with an atgm
The mbt is almost identical to the kpz
tulip sail
Yeah iirc the difference is a different engine
solid gate
Yeah kpz has 1500 HP mbt has 1470
tulip sail
But if they add the mbt70 with atgms I'd be at the least annoyed if the kpz didn't get them as a premium ammo
eager pine
Kpfz 70 should be a tier 10
tulip sail
From what I've heard it's a mediocre t9
eager pine
It is
solid gate
It’s garbage
eager pine
It would destroy any tank in this game with no problem
If they made it how it really is
solid gate
It would still make a balanced T10 as well
tulip sail
I wouldn't say the kpz is garbage since it's the 4th highest t9 heavy
placid crown
Its alright
solid gate
I own it and have near 9? Aces on it and it sucks so much
solid gate
The poor gun dep makes it feel like your wearing a dog cone from the vet the gun feels like a knock off that misses and low rolls more often than you’d like and the speed is so useless it’s no point in driving
placid crown
And you cant shoot behind you easily
livid vale
wb leopard 2
placid crown
No
livid vale
kpz evo
tulip sail
No thanks for the leo2
placid crown
Leo 2 would be tier 11
livid vale
why t11
tulip sail
Bc it's way to good for t10
placid crown
Its an mbt with a smoothbore gun with 340mm of pen and 650mm of heat pen
placid crown
Leo 2 is very modern for wotb
Doesnt it uses the l1a1 120mm gun like most NATO tanks?
eager pine
How mad you guys be if they made tier 11
solid gate
What? @placid crown
placid crown
Not very mad
solid gate
The L1 is from the Cold War era the leopard 2 series tanks use L44/L55
tulip sail
Not mad but wg would be if they did
solid gate
No German tanks never used british guns
livid vale
its only 49 years old
solid gate
The L1A1 is the one on the 215B I think
tulip sail
Except butepanzers
livid vale
so young
placid crown
What does it use? The L/55?
solid gate
L55 is the newest one on the leopard 2s
placid crown
Ah
solid gate
L44 is the one you are talking about
solid gate
T64*
tulip sail
T80 maybe
tulip sail
But the t70 iirc only had a small mg
tulip sail
Oh yeah
livid vale
M1A2 SEP wb that tank
placid crown
Noooo
tulip sail
I'm thinking of the t40
livid vale
:(((((
placid crown
That tank is 90% classified
tulip sail
No smooth barrel
placid crown
Maybe 98%
livid vale
challenger 2?
solid gate
Also classified
livid vale
t 90?
tulip sail
Same issue
placid crown
Nope
livid vale
South korea? tanks?
placid crown
Only tanks i could see would be t64b m1/xm1 and Leo 2
tulip sail
Anything currently used by first world countries is a no
livid vale
no?
placid crown
Merkava would be cool if they added mbts
tulip sail
Probably never
livid vale
why?
tulip sail
So many problems
livid vale
They are, slow, good gun
solid gate
good gun
L m a o
lyric oriole
Basically never is when.
livid vale
thanks
crude plume
Never is when they get larger maps.
tulip sail
Two updates before arty
crude plume
They said they will most likely not add the jap heavies since they are absolutely massive at tier 6 and up as well as maps being small and the 2014 phone thing too.
solid gate
.o.
if they come they will come with weaker armour
@solid gate Agreed but that is a big if.
tulip sail
I'd rather tank destroyers
solid gate
I saw y’all were talking about MBTs and tier 11 being added. Well any (more or less) retired MBTs maybe if they ever wanted to but those currently in use or being tested for future use are definitely not a go. You guys stated why very well. Classified information and all that.
So do we still use M1A1s? Do British still use Challenger Is?
tulip sail
I dont think we do but I'm sure a ton is still classified
solid gate
Hmmmm. I’d say that’s odd but maybe they have their reasons for keeping it classified until it’s way too outdated.
Is the original M1 Abrams even completely declassified? Because I may have my doubts on that too.
tulip sail
It's a simple reason they still use some of it
solid gate
Ok then. Now what’s the XM1?
The original original abrams
There is Two XM1 models that of GM General Motors and Chrysler
Yeah. As in the standard M1 and not the A1 or A2 or any others with added anything on them.
It’s different from the first m1 in a few ways
I see. What did it look like?
The XM1 that is.
I will find photos but it will take a bit here’s the GM XM1
@solid gate
Here’s what the Chrysler xm1 looks like
This the Chrysler one?
Yeah that’s the Chrysler one chosen for a good reason
Yeah the other one had related images including that one.
I see. What reason is that?
Visual differences alone you can tell how the abrams came from that
Mhmm
The GM1 is not that appealing/ bad design vs Chrysler’s design and advantage of a turbine engine
I see.
Though to me the GM one’s turret looked more like the Abrams’ turret than the Chrysler one’s.
The Chrysler ones is more inspired off the MBT 70 where GMs is brand new
I see. Anyway I doubt Wargaming adds tier 11 or anything above that anytime soon. Just not enough retired declassified tanks to choose from and perhaps other reasons.
Also honestly the Abrams is a cool looking tank except some of the necessary equipment that juts out of the turret. Looks funky. Still I have known about it for some time and it’s been a cool tank to me at times. Challenger II I like as well. Though the best looking MBT is probably the Black Panther one. Though there are contenders for that position and if you disagree that is fine.
frigid compass
i like the Russian MBTs look more
solid gate
The K2 turret and the abrams hull would be a amazing combo
Which one? The T-90 or the T14 (or is it T-14) Armata?
frigid compass
T-14 looks nice but T-90 looks more unique imo
as it basically isnt a boring matchbox like every NATO MBT ever
solid gate
That’s a bold claim @frigid compass
I see. Heh. Wonder if any tank novice or uneducated person would think Stingray is an MTB.
Considering every Russian tank is a copy off of each other compared to nato tanks
frigid compass
well on looks Russian tanks just look well russian while nato mbts is just box
frigid compass
Abrams
frigid compass
abrams is just a curvy box
solid gate
Aren’t all tanks a box on the hull? Unless you mean the turret.
Idk it doesn’t really look like a box compared to the armata
frigid compass
with the sideskirts and desert camo it looks like a cardboard box
solid gate
Side skirts have a use and in deserts you want a desert camo.
frigid compass
T-14 does look boxy yeah but the T-XX series of russian MBTs doesnt look boxy
solid gate
They don’t look boxy I agree on that they just look as if the second war never ended and dragged out for ever
That’s why for my made up tanks I wanted to use trapezoid front hull and other odd designs. Make em look unique. Now sides and rears of tanks usually look somewhat boxy even now. It’s just the way it is.
Sides would be hard to curve and definitely cannot do other shapes really. Rear I guess could have a curve or you could just do what I call a reverse slope.
It’s referred to as raised engine deck
I’m not well educated on the terms. Basically what I was going at was the seeming slightly inward slope thing as you go down toward the ground you see on the back of some tanks in Blitz or even in images of the real things.
Though I did it even more so on this quick thing I ended up making:
elfin orbit
Cursed jp2
solid gate
Actually I decided to get rid of that. Though I do need to work on my own tank designs.
somber apex
Uh is that panther?
crude plume
Yes and no
somber apex
Ohho i see UwU
solid gate
It was something I made on the fly. It’s kinda like a Panther but not.
devout tapir
WZ5A coming soon? :O
lime thistle
Sloping does nothing to Stop APFSDS though, it doesn’t really care about how much slope you have, it’ll punch through
solid gate
It just depends on armor material and total thickness
solid gate
Wasn’t saying the tank would face those that fired APFSDS or anything like that. But it’s an unnamed and unclassified tank.
Now I need to try to draw up some designs of tanks I intend to keep soon.
zinc condor
Tier 7?
radiant spire
What’s the russian version of the t30? Can we get a bigger is7 turret and gun on an st1 hull?
That pic above is pretty much the nightmare,
rigid thunder
how is mounting a 105mm gun on a StuG III chassis the same as mounting a 150mm gun on a Panzer IV chassis with a large casemate
lime thistle
because they’re both assault guns
rigid thunder
they're both different tanks, mounted on different chassis
rigid thunder
I know they perform the same role, it's that they're still different tanks and their characteristics are pretty different as well
lime thistle
ATGM gang
rigid thunder
can we have a starship gang
lime thistle
It will be a subclass if ATGM gang so I will allow it
devout tapir
@feral basin oh sweet! I really hope it's researchable.
hard lagoon
Lol
tulip sail
Don't you mean jagdtilda
solid gate
Xd
twilit willow
would i be stupid to buy the collection containers?
spark basin
yes
signal kettle
@twilit willow You have only 3% - 5% chance to drop. You can try your luck but I think it's worthless and you'll lose 20$
solid gate
Matilda is so bad when fight against tier V and VI :/
void apex
matilda ? or u mean matilda bp or matilda iv??
dapper panther
tech tree matilda, i guess
dapper panther
play in platoon, when your platmate is 1 tier higher, and get into a tier6 match
"toaster vs smasher" is possible due to this.....
void apex
it have not happend to me🙂
dapper panther
lucky fella
spark basin
failtoons are kind of dumb
void apex
in the other side i have 60% team that like drunk
worldly umbra
Buff the GuP tanks.
scarlet nest
Gup tanks are fine
Just balanced
worldly umbra
The Hetzer Kame is not balanced.
lyric oriole
Kame SP is fine
onyx coral
dem cupolas doe
solid gate
Says it was like the biggest operational tank at it’s time.
Took a crew of 12 I think.
acoustic night
KV with a 203 MM cannon
solid gate
That looks silly.
acoustic night
want to see the normal cannon?
solid gate
Sure
solid gate
Ah
Kinda reminds me of Germans 88mm (which supposedly was meant to be a flak gun) that they used to destroy tanks. But that one is bigger of course.
acoustic night
the 203 is a really big boi '
solid gate
Mhmm
acoustic night
203 mm howitzer M1931 (B-4) was a 203 mm Soviet high-power heavy howitzer. During the Second World War, it was under the command of the Stavka's strategic reserve. It was nicknamed "Stalin's sledgehammer" by German soldiers. These guns were used with success against Finnish pillboxes at the Mannerheim Line, heavy German fortifications and in urban combat for destroying protected buildings and bunkers. This weapon was used until the end of the war in the Battle of Berlin where the Red Army would bring these guns up at point blank range to smash German fortifications with their heavy 203mm shells. In the spring of 1944, a KV-1s tank chassis was used to create a self-propelled variant, the S-51. The heavy recoil from the muzzle blast threw the crew off their seats and damaged the transmission, and so it was cancelled.
solid gate
Someone should make a scenario of the Pershing entering the war a lot sooner if not American heavy tanks like T29.
acoustic night
oh
solid gate
Yep. Though I did see footage of a Pershing easily disabling a Panther after the Panther knocked out a Sherman.
The Sherman crew sustained injury and one may have died. Can’t remember. However, the entire Panther crew bailed out unscathed though the tank was not going anywhere.
rigid thunder
If you're talking about the cologne panther, one of the panther crew most likely died, most likely the gunner
solid gate
As far as I remember the video said the entire Panther crew go away. Still even if one did die the rest weren’t hurt while the Sherman crew wasn’t as well off. Sherman was a good tank but the Germans just had better guns. Pershing though in that footage made Panther look like a not so tough target.
near sonnet
Afaik panther crew thought pershing was another panther cuz guns and didnt fire
rigid thunder
the panther had rounded the corner, exposing its side armour straight to the M26. According to the tank commander, he had assumed that the M26 was a German tank due to its rarity
near sonnet
Cuz pershings are rare
rigid thunder
And you can see in the video, a tank crewman tried to climb out of the commander's cupola after the commander, who was most likely the gunner since the loader could exit by the rear hatch. At that point, the M26 shot the Panther right in the turret, and the crewman can be seen slumping back into the turret
solid gate
Oh, ok. I guess I was wrong. What was the crew count for a Panther?
wise moth
I think it’s the standard 5 man crew. Commander, loader, gunner in the turret; driver and radio operator in the front hull
solid gate
Huh. I guess somebody made a mistake when they uploaded that video I saw years ago about the Cologne Panther. And uh I messed up about the Sherman too. All I know is the Sherman Commander sustained injury to his leg/knee when the Panther knocked it out. Then the Pershing rolled up and hit the Panther in the side as the other guy(s) said.
It was most likely sorta correct since iirc one crew member was killed in that panther
Well I think the video I saw said 7 men ran away from the destroyed Panther. That makes no sense. The other videos you can find now have it more accurate though hard to read the text as they flash it too fast.
Though never understand Germans shifting to quality over quantity in their tank doctrine. Meanwhile Russia churned out T-34s and the Allies had a lot of Shermans. Doesn’t matter how good one tank is if the enemy has overwhelming numbers.
Germany should have dropped the Tiger tanks and built more Panthers and Pz IVs. Even the Pz IV could knock out a Sherman.
rigid thunder
probably a tier 10, with that massive railgun it has
solid gate
@solid gate the reason why was because they knew pz 4s were already inferior and mass producing them would be a waste instead they chose the most logical option which was to make powerful giant tanks instead of multiple weaker ones
narrow shadow
Well obviously the entire german industry was on the wrong footing. What is the point of using the best radio created by specialists that would last few years when the tank is destroyed the next day in a battle? Meanwhile soviets analyzed how long the tank was likely to survive and put components that would not outlast the average tank life span.
solid gate
Mmm, i wonder if WG doesn't buff Kpfpz 70 because even they want to add ATGMs to it once they update the game with that mechanics?
livid yacht
They buffed it several times
solid gate
They did buff Kpf?
@solid gate Well the Panther was the best of those. Sure even it had field issues but Tiger I and II were probably worse about that. Pz IV was inferior sure but surely it still had it’s uses and was cheaper than building Tiger tanks. But I said use Pz IVs AND PANTHERS and drop the ridiculously heavy Tiger tanks.
@solid gate even then the panther took too long to build
True but if they focused on 1 tank instead of 3 plus prototypes that would have saved time and resources.
But really taking Pz IV Gs and Hs and giving them sloped armor would have been a better idea. But apparently they didn’t want to do that or think of it.
@solid gate the pz 4 chassis was basically maxed out the side skirts themselves were already too much and caused issues
Well whatever. Germany wasn’t gonna win anyway no matter what tanks or whatever they came up with.
Just didn’t have the logistics to win. Especially once Russia started pushing them back and America entered the war and the Allies got second wind. Couldn’t fight a 2 front war.
wise moth
@solid gate The quality over quantity doctrine actually made sense for Germany. Germany was never going to outproduce the Soviets AND the Americans, and they have a smaller population of young men to draw from too.
What building better tanks allowed them to do was take full advantage of the quality of the men they put into their machines. You plop an ace German tank crew into a StuG III, and they might destroy 6, 7, maybe 8 enemy vehicles before being killed. You put the butts of that same ace crew into a Tiger I, and they'll rack up 20, 30, 40 vehicle kills.
Also note that tanks like Tiger I were never meant to outright replace tanks like Panzer IV. Panther I was though (and it was only ~30% more expensive to produce than a Panzer IV, and given the capabilities of the Panther, if the war had gone on longer, it was a good decision)
solid gate
Ah, ok. But despite the quality over quantity thing they were screwed since Blitzkreig was no longer in use really. Those tactics ground to a halt and Germany started being put on the defensive more and more. Despite the quality of their tanks you have a numbers game too.
wise moth
Well, when Panther I and Tiger I were being developed, in 1942 and 1941 respectively, Germany was still more or less on the offensive.
And sure there's a numbers game, but look at it this way. If you're playing Blitz, would you rather have a team of 7 40%ers in Panzer IVs and StuG IIIs, or a team of 4 40%ers in Panzer IVs/StuG IIIs and 1 60%er in a Tiger I
solid gate
Hmmmm. The latter seems better. However, the Germans had to deal with Allied Artillery and Tank Destroyers too. Which speaking of that according to something I found there was a guy who was one of the reasons the Pershing project was delayed. He advocated for using lightly armored fast tank destroyers to take out tanks rather than building a tank for taking out enemy tanks.
Now if only the Panther was as good in Blitz as it was in real life. But it’s going up against even post war tanks in the game so it kinda sucks. So much for quality.
Also why did Wargaming give the Hellcat the 90mm M3 gun? It actually used a 76(.2)mm gun and the Jackson got the 90mm.
wise moth
Well, WWII air power is not actually that good at taking out tanks. Allied pilots routinely vastly overestimated the number of kills they managed to achieve. They'd come back claiming like ~50 tank kills or something, and the German stats would show like 2 mildly damaged tanks
solid gate
@solid gate the super hellcat hellcat was expected a 90mm but the war ended and no longer needed a use
Only one was made and photographed
wise moth
@solid gate Basically for the same reason that the Panther has a 7.5cm L/100 gun as an option. "Balance"
solid gate
And the Pershing project was delayed because the original tank it was going to be kept getting changed in its requirements
Well that’s true too. Too many changes and arguments among leaders delayed the project.
And despite that L/100 gun I still hate the in game Panther.
wise moth
As for allied tank destroyers, US TD doctrine was that TDs were a purely defensive weapon, often attached to things like infantry or artillery units. Basically, they were kept in the rear, so that when the Germans attacked, they would be able to rush into position to deal with them
solid gate
Oh, I see. Anyway the Panther in game feels mistiered. Arguably the Panther II is as well.
wise moth
Soviet TDs weren't really TDs, they were designed to destroy things like concrete bunkers, but when the opportunity presented itself, they would be used as impromptu anti-tank guns
Artillery of course is always a problem, but if your tanks keep moving, it's hard to dial in artillery shells on top of them
solid gate
Ok then. Too bad there aren’t any tanks to plug the gap if you moved them down a tier in game. Panther I and II that is. Also what about T20 with 90mm? Does have even make any sense?
T20 with a 90mm? Ohh
Most likely still testing the M3 for the Pershing
In game it has but if you look at TE and stuff it says it used a 76mm like T23(E3).
frigid compass
@wise moth what about SU-85 and SU-100
wise moth
T20 with 90mm gun is also fantasy.
The only way it's justified is that the T20 project led to the Pershing project, which did have a 90mm
solid gate
SU-100 with 122mm should change the name to SU-122.
frigid compass
SU-122 is a howitzer tank
wise moth
@frigid compass Stopgap solutions to the Tiger I until the T-34-85 became a thing
solid gate
Yeah that stupid gun looks goofy and wouldn’t be effective in Blitz.
frigid compass
what about SU-100 considering it has a bigger gun
wise moth
More or less the same idea
solid gate
I’m sure I could find blueprints of the SU-100 but I doubt any show one with a 122mm. Probably was meant for another vehicle.
frigid compass
but SU-100 was made after T-34-85
wise moth
@solid gate That's because it's designated SU-122 (with the 122mm derp, not sure if it's still in game)
The 122mm D-25t gun though on SU-100 is fantasy
solid gate
I think SU-100’s 100mm needs buffing. It feels not much more accurate than the buffed 122mm in battle and it’s frustrating considering it has 280 alpha.
wise moth
@frigid compass Call it bureaucratic delays
solid gate
They did try to make T-43 tank but decided to scrap that and up gun the T-34/76 to make the T-34-85. To deal with Panthers and Tiger Is I guess?
wise moth
Basically
solid gate
Man I need to find time to read about it more. Just I have issues with reading nowadays. Find it boring and uh sometimes get interrupted by fam when trying to read too.
I wonder how I can draw a side view of my own tank designs. I usually end up doing a top down view plus side view combo thing I think.
bright folio
Should I get the gun, engine, or turret first for my m46 patton?
I'll use free xp for most of it, but I would like to know which will help ease the grind the most.
livid yacht
@bright folio gun for sure
bright folio
Thx
fading zodiac
Participó
hollow mango
glass otter
Don't sell em.Makes life easier @hollow mango
crude plume
Welcome to the club. I want my MS1 back but life doesn’t work out.
solid gate
@feral basin nice thanks for the picture.
Looks almost like the nightmare.
@hollow mango I wouldn’t sell any tank you can never tell when it might get a buff.
They both got a buff.
fringe notch
T28 Prot - is it the worst tank in blitz? I thought the SAu 40 was much better than this stinking pile
Edit: yes, sure is. 480hp from an Emil through the front turret while hull down and not even able to bring the gun to bear.
devout tapir
Anybody know if the WZ 5A will be tech tree or another prem :0
wise moth
No one knows, but I’m willing to bet it’s going to be some Blitz Fair crate crap
devout tapir
Another crate tank...at T10? There's already 8 T10 prems/ collectables right now...
wise moth
Just another reason to hate Blitzfair
solid gate
Crates are stupid. People need to quit wasting their money on them. But if they didn’t exist Wargaming would probably jack the prices up more and not lower them as quickly.
The problem with crates is you get more junk out of them than good stuff.
devout tapir
I'm just getting bored and tired of all these T10 prems. I was really looking forward to the Badger and Vk.90.01. There's even spots in the tech tree open for them but as you can see they'er both crate tanks. Now, I'm really looking forward for the WZ 5A, but atlas it's going to be a crate tank. ~even tho it can branch off the T9 wz and then there will be a second option~
Yes WG is a company they need to make money somehow but still, I wish they didn't allow people with 38 battles ~I'm looking at that t22 driver I saw a few weeks ago~ to buy T10s as soon as they downloaded the game. It would be more fun to grind to a T10 then to just buy it.
Hey that's just my opinion so yeet
solid gate
Kranvagn is good.. :)
Better that AMX 50 🅱
The Kranvagn have better armor and a bit lower... Pls vote to Kranvagn.. I was Potato.. See you next time!
scenic dirge
which tank is the helsing shape based on?
solid gate
hate and sorrow
dapper panther
The hull is mostly after o47
In my opinion
hushed shadow
Helsing was a made up tank. I don’t think it was based on anything. And the O47 looks a little similar but I doubt it’s based any bit on that.
solid gate
Hellcat with double gun
hearty cape
Should I get the Foch 155 or the Obj 263?
I have the tier 9 for both but idk which one to get first
smoky dune
The Foch before they nerf the auto loader. 😉
eager pine
Foch is better right now but may get nerfed
263 is great though
Definitely get both
velvet leaf
wg... what the f*ck is this tank
(sry i have it in cz)
tulip sail
Looks like a German super heavy
velvet leaf
this tank have Average 500 dmg
solid gate
@velvet leaf so does maus
velvet leaf
i saw if i buy from him
but that armor, on side bad but front armor. Anythyng looks like to superpershing
solid gate
@velvet leaf super Pershing only has add on armor the VK 90 doesn’t
They are also two completely different tanks
tulip sail
The hull armor is the same as the others tx super heavys
velvet leaf
@solid gate his front is very strong but side you can pen with HE on any tanks
dapper panther
solid gate
They should definitely add more tier 10 tech tree tanks to make it like the T-62A and Object 140. You got 2 options so you can go for one or both.
solid gate
They should expand the Japanese tech tree
spark basin
yeah japanese td line
solid gate
They are, next year summer 2020
Too bad Japanese heavies aren’t gonna be a thing in Blitz. Unless in the far far future if the game is still around then and hasn’t died by then.
hard lagoon
^
solid gate
I don't think it's bad at all.
It's not 'too bad', they are just unbalanced and people who have common sense don't want them in the game at all
We have enough low skill ceiling tanks in Blitz already. There is no reason to add even more (Japanese heavies).
narrow shadow
Japanese heavies would be super annoying and boring to play against and with
Add tanks like Emil line, or 430U line, that would be good
solid gate
430U won’t totally kill the game
narrow shadow
Maybe make meds great again🤷
solid gate
Nah. Too many mediums. Need more light tanks.
And what low skill ceiling tanks? Even IS tanks need care when playing.
Anyway the main reason I wanted Japanese heavies was because the Japanese only have one line at the moment. They shouldn’t have removed the light tanks from Japanese tech tree. But I guess can settle for Japanese TDs.
livid vale
add is-3m or is-3a or something as tier 8(not prem), obj 705 at tier 9, and obj 705a at tier 10.
wise moth
How about no?
livid vale
How about mabye?
wise moth
Right, because this game needs more bland hull down Soviet heavies
solid gate
Should add Pz VII as another tank the VK 45.02 B leads to alongside the VK 72.
@marble shuttle You like Huskies?
Ah. I like some dog types but others are ugly to me. As for cats slick hair black cats are my favorite.
#off-topic-discussion folks
I see. Right. Back to tanks.
lost valve
The turret
solid gate
I haven’t played it so I don’t know.
lost valve
That’s a known weakspot
Honestly the turret of the VK 72 sucks so hard, any med can smack through it
They’re pretty accurate from the blueprints
solid gate
E 100 was never completed either.
lost valve
Any of yous winning tanks from containers?
solid gate
I gave up armor inspector because cannot get all the features without paying money and I didn’t have any at the time.
frigid compass
blitzhangar works fine if you need tier 9 and 10 data
lost valve
I’ve noticed a trend of the most common tier X drop, the badger
solid gate
I got IS-6 which I already had and 1 or 2 other tanks I already had.
lost valve
The gun depression and pen makes it unenjoyable for me(SU 122 44)
solid gate
I wanted Badger, Helsing, and uh T-22 I think. There are a couple of others in the sets I don’t have.
lost valve
Who are you to tell me what to spend my money on?
solid gate
I only bought the 1 time offer sets. I don’t do beyond that as waste of money.
lost valve
Well, I do agree that the containers smaller rewards other than the main prize sucks badly. They should either make the small prizes better
solid gate
The limited ones. You get 1 purchase of them then they disappear. Got some gold and credits out of it so not bad. Plus boosters aren’t completely useless to me as still grinding lines.
lost valve
I don’t agree with increasing the chance for the main prize though, it’s the one which reduces the population of them
Already heard about noobs getting tier X first container from a relatively cheap bundle
solid gate
They won’t quit crates because some are stupid enough to buy them many times over and waste hundreds on them.
lost valve
Crazy gamblers
solid gate
It’s like gambling but one person had a counter argument saying it’s not true gambling. You do get something out of it but usually it’s low use stuff.
lost valve
That’s their loss, there’s no guarantee
Oh lord who would’ve spent that much at once though? No appreciation for the value of money??
solid gate
Crates just suck. They should give you more gold out of them or give you other tanks if you don’t get the main prize. Just something worth more than a few boosters.
lost valve
They should have like a system where when you open enough containers, there’s a guaranteed prize
I honestly didn’t like the Ke Ni Otsu entitlement, it remained basically same except for pen
lost valve
If your enemies are unable to focus
solid gate
That’s worse than Chi-Nu Kai having “OP” credit earning. The Chi-Nu Kai itself probably isn’t that great a tank.
lost valve
Chi Nu Kai is a nerfed Chi Nu
karmic field
with a broken credit coefficient lmao
its the second highest coefficient in the game. That thing prints money
solid gate
And Chi-Nu itself sucks. Slow, no armor, and slowish reload.
lost valve
Id only have the Chi Nu Kai to show off in training rooms, not one I’ve seen in a while
solid gate
I don’t often see Chi-Nu Kai often either.
lost valve
I don’t play below tier 7
solid gate
Chi-Nu needs buffing. Probably to speed and/or reload.
solid gate
Chi-To
karmic field
chinu kai is 5
dapper panther
so does tech tree chi-nu
lost valve
So @marble shuttle , what class was it
dapper panther
both chi-nu and chi-nu-kai are tier5 meds
narrow shadow
The entire japanese line needs buffing, the only good (and op one actually) is STB
dapper panther
chi-to is med too
lost valve
I don’t think that exists whatever you’re talking about @marble shuttle
solid gate
Type 61 supposedly had reload buff but it needs the cupola removed.
dapper panther
the only light in that line is the starter Ha-go
solid gate
I still have Ke-Ni and Ke-Ho.
dapper panther
lost valve
Im at an early stage in the Japanese line, I’d like to go for STB but I need a lot of free Xp, I refuse to play low tiers
I was gonna say that but that’s a tier 5
solid gate
Shinobi is Chi-Nu Kai with a camo I heard.
Chi-To is actually a bit faster than Chi-Nu and has a slightly better gun but it still sucks tier for tier. Just the Japanese mediums have nothing going for them. Except maybe STB but I haven’t reached that.
dapper panther
@solid gate @marble shuttle
back in the early days of Blitz, there were no legendary camos, only the regulars, and a very few prems with fixed paintjob. Chi-Nu-Kai Shinobi was one of them.
Then the Legendary Camo update kicked in, making "Shinobi" a legendary camo, while also allowing the players to replace it with regular camos...
lost valve
Lol remember when tanks with any camo allowed suddenly turned locked, like the SU 122s. Some players have it stuck on their old camo lol
solid gate
I know. I was there when we didn’t have legendary camos.
Heck I think I was around when we didn’t have a camo tab at all. An appearance tab we didn’t have at all.
lost valve
Camos were not there at the beginning?
dapper panther
correct.
solid gate
Not the rare and common ones. Think only tanks like Shinobi had camos.
dapper panther
well, the common camos were the first, then nationally unique camos, then legendary camos came, eventually rare camos
solid gate
Some rare camos look ridiculous on any tank and others look good only on certain tanks. Plus I don’t like that common ones and many rare ones don’t change the color of the track wheels.
There was shinobi and chi nu Kai
Iirc the shinobi was the first and chi nu Kai was different then they decided to make the shinobi a camo
dapper panther
problem with common and rare camos are:
- they are just flat textures stretched all over the regular tanks, unaffecting anything that is a separate mesh
- they mix with each tanks' individual "mask", therefore a specific camo looks pale on a german tank, while on a french tank this specific camo is bright and covers the main model 100%
- certain tanks have legendary camos, but in the rare category, because these are also just a stretched fexture
no, shinobi and kai are the same
lost valve
The textures are also repeating.. which I dislike
solid gate
Well that explains why some camos allow you to see splotches of the base color of the tank still. It looks odd.
What do you mean by iirc?
dapper panther
german tanks: around the edges the mask overlays the camo, while in general pales it out
french tanks: no mask at all, therefore no paling and camo overlaying
edit: mask is less noticable, while not blends with the camo
solid gate
I see.
Is Wargaming still against all mods? Even camouflage ones and stuff like that?
frigid compass
no
camo and sound mods as far as i know is fine
i dont remember all the allowed mods
lost valve
I didn’t even realise I was talking in #vehicles-discussion , no wonder why the conversation was so slow! I thought I was in #general-blitz-discussion hahah
dapper panther
another terrible case of the camos:
"spooky web" is literally a repeating decal with transparent background
(you could see the M49's original color under the camo)
lost valve
This is just a partial covering camo
dapper panther
while "thunderbolt".....
just STUPIDLY made transparent
lost valve
It reminds me of the white and grey checkered background of background-less images
solid gate
Well I want more environment based camos. Like desert ones, mountain ones, forest ones, plains ones, snowy biome ones, and any others you can think of.
dapper panther
my personal favourite: the artist of the Tiger 1's leg camo did a TERRIBLE job
(keep in mind, this is the HD textrure on HD model)
lost valve
Oh god
dapper panther
solid gate
Huh.
frigid compass
im looking forward to the On The Edge camo
solid gate
At least they tried. Wargaming’s people seem to just do basic overlay and call it a day without touching up clipping or whatever.
dapper panther
also Tiger 1:
if you dont notice, ||each side of the tracks are connecting to the hull though the front gear alone||
lost valve
What was that beautiful one that can be bought for credits
frigid compass
Tiger 1 tracks is only connected on the drive wheel
solid gate
Huh
lost valve
Don’t really see what’s the problem
solid gate
Wait what’s Pershing’s armor in game again?
lost valve
A phenomenally crap amount
dapper panther
these wheels have no physical contact with the hull at all
solid gate
Well in real life it was like 102mm on the hull right?
lost valve
Are they meant to?
dapper panther
of course the are meant to...you cannot have a 20 wheeled tank to be suspended only on the frontmost pair...
hearty cape
Lol
dapper panther
otherwise it would drag itself on the ground 24/7
solid gate
Yeah. It would. Because the Tiger is heavy.
lost valve
Did you notice the T23E3 tracks are asymmetrical
dapper panther
@lost valve
"What was that beautiful one that can be bought for credits"
I'd say this
solid gate
T23E3 has torsion bar system right?
dapper panther
waddaya mean by assymmetrical?
in what way?
lost valve
Not mirrored of the other
dapper panther
?
tulip sail
@solid gate yes
solid gate
Thanks. Is it better to have many smaller road wheels or fewer bigger ones?
lost valve
I cannot explain this very well, check the T23E3’s tracks in game and compare to each side
dapper panther
i dont see any difference
solid gate
Is it better to have many smaller road wheels or fewer bigger ones?
lost valve
Look at the spacing
Each side of the T23E3 has a gap though the wheels, and they’re not parallel wheels lol
wise moth
@solid gate Somewhere in the middle. If the wheels are too big, they’re too heavy and hard to do in-field maintenance on. If they’re too small and you need too many of them, you need more spare parts and have increased complexity, so logistical support for the vehicle is harder
dapper panther
oh lol now i see 😄
lost valve
See, the gaps on each side are in different locations ahha
Betcha never noticed this
lost valve
I just randomly remembered a guy talking about someone shooting through that gap and it made him a little annoyed
@dapper panther oh no, lol
What an oddity
dapper panther
returning for the camo and the tanks's mask, Panther m10 is the worst of all
just look at that how much of the mask overlaps the camo
lost valve
What camo is that?
solid gate
Why do people get bothered by such small things 😂
dapper panther
bottom left corner
lost valve
It looks like it’s just been doused in dirt
solid gate
Tbh I don't even notice them
lost valve
@solid gate it was just a fun fact i pointed out
dapper panther
@solid gate maybe because WG has put some effort into the cosmetics, let's not just walk by without pinpointing their mistakes
lost valve
Is this WG’s mess up model or this is a feature of the real life one too? Of the T23E3
lost valve
Bruh
calm inlet
the two tanks that camos come out the best on are the T-54 ltwt and the IS-5
wise moth
I really like that the Blue comes out on French tanks.
calm inlet
VK 72 also makes the camo as least transparent as possible
dapper panther
"Tbh the camos look worst on French tanks"
I disagree
wise moth
Camos on French tanks just look so much more vibrant
dapper panther
@wise moth that's cuz as I already explained above, french tanks has the best tank masks
the mask not overlaying and blending with the camo
solid gate
Well I gotta go guys. But I will have a question about tank wheel systems when I come back.
wise moth
Man, the missile rack just makes it look so ugly. It looks so good without the missiles too.
Also, they need to add the 13 105 so they can #MakeBatChatA4Shell350AlphaMediun
dreamy plinth
lone vortex
Is the STA-Rin still for sale? If not, when was it?
solid gate
It's a legendary camouflage for the sta it should be up for sale
dapper panther
afaik Rin is permanently obtainable
solid gate
OMG nerf obj 140 5 BONCES with AMX 30B on WHITE ARMOR and I didn’t?t event tracked him! Wtf is this meta? PLZ CREATE A DECENT GAME. At least add a 1v1 or 3v3 mode coz your WR depends f your team and if they are morons you just lost
tulip sail
My games fine
hard lagoon
3v3 exists
solid gate
Fcm 50T is probably the only one that shows camo decently
hard lagoon
^^^^^^^
solid gate
@dreamy plinth 😆
sacred ravine
@solid gate take a long break
frigid compass
@wise moth the missile rack is just ATGMs
violet stream
So, grinding to the E-100. Is it worth it?
solid gate
@violet stream slow and heavy. Yes it works.
crude plume
Mini bunker with artillery for a main battery
narrow shadow
E100 is quite meh in todays meta, and you need to understand things like turret angling and different ammo usage to do well in it, but it can work I guess
spark basin
wish e 100 got a turret side buff
wraith depot
Yes
narrow shadow
Maybe it should, and I advocate for that, but that would make Maus obsolete. See, the turret armour is one of it's only advantages over E100..
spark basin
wha
bro the e100 turret side armor is 150mm, maus has 210mm, e 100 just needs a minor buff to its side armor of the turret
the buff wouldn't be significant enough for the e100 to powercreep the maus
narrow shadow
If the turret side is to mean anything, it's gonna need 380 effective when angled perfectly, so that calibrated heavy HEAT just doesn't meme pen it everywhere without aiming. Now it gets 330mm
spark basin
heat would punch through the turret frontal armor just fine though
narrow shadow
Yeah, but not when angled like it should be
When playing E100, the only things you are bouncing are AP if you have a proper position and medium tank HEAT, everything else goes through the turret ez, without even aiming
spark basin
yeah and you only have two choices, to either wiggle and hope heat hits the mantlet or angle ridiculously
pure copper
What do I research on the ISU-152 bone stock with 75% crew
solid trench
Tracks
lyric oriole
Why is it completely stock? Did you not research the 122mm guns on the SU-152?
narrow shadow
122mm guns should never ever ever be used in ISU. The 275mm HEAT with stock 152mm is enough
Now, it's true that you should have them to speed up the grind for BL10, as they are before it, but you should never use them
solid gate
What is the point of buffing the sides of e100 turret?
lyric oriole
To make it stronger
solid gate
Not like they can be penned anyways unless you over angle the turret
narrow shadow
The point is to make E100 not be meme penned by HEAT heavies at T10 without even aiming when angled perfectly
solid gate
Just buff the turret cheeks then...
narrow shadow
The point is to make it a bit more competetive, but with an added skill layer of angling the turret properly. I think side buff would be better bcause of this
solid gate
Skill is what most people don't have, most people never even angle the turret at all in e100 and they get destroyed
Buffing the turret sides will mean nothing for most players
If the turret cheeks were to be buffed, they'd at least get some bounces as they never even angle the turret and wouldn't be completely useless
narrow shadow
Yeah, that is the point. Reward good players
solid gate
Good players already know how to play it well
narrow shadow
But not even the best can prevent heavy HEAT without even aiming even when angling perfectly
solid gate
Well the turret cheeks buff would do the same thing
Only even more
You wouldn't get noobs in e100 who die in 1st minute and screw up the game for everyone
narrow shadow
Still would, the only difference would be perhaps TD AP wouldn't pen it as often, I don't think that would change anything for the noobs.
And turret side buff is more subtle, less people will be screaming about how the wrong tank is buffed and it will do the job
solid gate
Hey guys when are the doing an update for the track suspension because now the tracks just don’t move they are just rolling
daring pagoda
Wasn’t it always like that?
zealous anchor
XD
eager pine
Why does E100 have to grind 64k for its gun and FV4202 has to grind 100k? Most tier X don’t have any grind and it’s not really fair...
elfin orbit
What?
solid gate
That's 100...
elfin orbit
Its 100. Bc has to grind 65k i believe
karmic field
Lmao. Yeah, the FV4202 is flat 100
solid gate
FV4202 isn’t 100k for the HESH gun. It’s just 100 XP. As for E100 Wargaming did that because whatever. E100 was planned to use either the Maus gun or the 15cm in real life. There is one other tank you have to grind for the gun on. Bat Chat.
Is AMX 13 105 another tier 10 French light?
calm inlet
yeah in PC. won’t come to Blitz
solid gate
Good
solid gate
Pfft. I’d like for it to.
Many more tanks to add to Blitz but Wargaming won’t add some because excuses. Can kinda understand the Japanese heavy reasoning but most of the others are just excuses. Though Object 279 might not be a good idea either.
calm inlet
there’s already 350+ tanks in Blitz
solid gate
Nah they will. It’s just they gonna come all in crates
tulip sail
Yet theres still not enough Sherman variants
dapper panther
Lycan VS 183HE, the rumours are true, internal modules are invincible/nonexistent
wise moth
@dapper panther They’re not just rumors, there’s literally a block of 1000mm thick armor on the inside protecting them
frank berry
Im pretty sure that it's only because the modules have more hp than the tank does but ok
dapper panther
wise moth
@dapper panther @frank berry
frank berry
O
dapper panther
even if that were the case, damaging any module by any amount, it should get yellow indication
which never happens for Lycan
wise moth
@dapper panther first off, you need to do >50% of the modules hitpoints in damage first to turn it yellow, and second, 1000mm is going to soak any HE splash
dapper panther
i see....still, that 1000mm internal layer sound dumb
wise moth
It sounds dumb, but that’s how it really works 🤷♂️
wise moth
@plain hollow it’s armor inspector
Also online at wotinspector.com
solid gate
@plain hollow didn't we already talk about that profile pic?
fleet berryBOT
CoolerGamer1510#7423 has been warned.
viral lodge
Rn I’m having trouble with M6, I need another 45k research and I hate it and don’t know if T29 is worth it, 2 things 1: Is T29 a different playstyle? 2: should I free XP to T29?
thick trout
T29 is a very different playstyle, and generally it isnt worth researching a new tank with free xp
With the T29 you want to go hull down everywhere possible, and also try and use your depression
viral lodge
Any advice for the M6?
I try to play it as a side scraper but they always pen anyway
(I am a Churchill fan so idk if there is a difference in armor or angle)
narrow shadow
M6's entire lower part of the hull is 40mm, so you can't sidescrape
viral lodge
So in other words it has bad front and can’t side scrape, so useless in flat maps
So pure opposite of churchill
🤔 explains why I was having trouble, I thought it’s armor could side scrape
karmic field
The IS-5 can reverse sidescrape so well
frigid compass
WZ-112-2 can do both sidescrape and reverse sidescrape
karmic field
it's amazing, how many shells you bounce...
I just had another game, only 1600 dealt but I blocked 4200 in a T8/9 game
frigid compass
as it has a flat simple plate with the same effective thickness as IS-5's pike nose
viral lodge
Is M6 just a weak hull down tank?
karmic field
M6 is not weak hulldown tbh. It's super strong rn in the meta
frigid compass
ARL-44 is stronger
viral lodge
I can’t seem to do crap with it
karmic field
well, meta no. But it's armor is really strong right now
And yes i am aware that arl is stronger...still...
viral lodge
My Churchill VII always beat M6
fleet berryBOT
CoolerGamer1510#7423 was banned
viral lodge
.-.
thorn flame
If anything needs nerfing, it's clear it's the standard b
solid gate
Heh. My first game in T29 this time around I couldn’t hull down it right as another heavy pushed in and I went in to help. But we won. Enemy didn’t push as hard as they should have and died.
But I’m gonna leave that tank for now and go focus on ones that are closer to having the XP to unlock the next tank in line. Like AT 7, P43 ter, T71, and then IS-2. Then I’ll come back to T29 and T25/2.
solid gate
I see.
shrewd basalt
How Good Is P44 Pantera ?
karmic field
insanely
Tank is broken. It's an autoloader that can also trade hits
Whole line is like that tier 8+
calm inlet
and people say this tank is bad or something
meanwhile i gotta put more battles into my Drac and T57 lol
shrewd basalt
Lol T-34-2 is Actually good but the Module and Crew is Easy to Damaged or injured
calm inlet
run Defense System and Protective Kit
personally, i only run Defense because it doesn’t seem to be an issue for me so far
slow goblet
What is better now? 121 or WZ-113?
karmic field
both are nuts good right now, and can't be compared seeing as they have totally different roles. However, I would say the WZ-121 is stronger in it's role than the WZ-113 is in it's
Just my opinion though
slow goblet
Thanks
calm inlet
yeah, probably the 121
sinful current
Should I grind for the Grill or Jp E100
elfin edge
both @sinful current
karmic field
@solid gate Because they gave it the fastest forwards speed of any T8-10 heavy, if I recall correctly (Discluding premiums and the AMXes)
Bruh that's like banned on this discord
@solid gate
fleet berryBOT
arievac#7153 was banned
solid gate
Thanks
slow goblet
Lul
karmic field
no prob. Kinda figured you don't particularly like that around here...
Acc selling in general is just as bad as spending money on a very expensive tank
Except the seller is profiting, not wargaming
slow goblet
I searched for the 2 accs, but could not find them on the blitz page
Guess it was a troll
karmic field
One of them is on EU. I didn't catch none on the other. But if it's same stats, it's bad
6 tier 10s with a peak of 1300 wn8 on them
slow goblet
Now I know where the majority of my teammates come from haha
I wonder if the game accounts get banned as well, or only dicord
I'd love wg being more strict when it comes to bots
But back to topic, what should I buy? Löwe or T34? I mainly want a good credit maker. Löwe has higher credit coefficient, T34 is doing statistically better.
karmic field
What tanks do you find success in?
slow goblet
I do fine in most kinds, both low dmg high dpm and high dmg low dpm
Both tanks have good gun dep
karmic field
Is your blitzstars same as your discord name?
slow goblet
Yep
karmic field
I can tell you what a good tank is for you if I can see what tanks you've succeeded in.
Give me a min or two to check it out
BTW wait till black friday to buy, good sales
slow goblet
Yeah, I will wait for the discounts, should be coming in a few days
karmic field
If the M 41 90 Kpfpz (Cruel Twist) comes out, you will likely love it
solid gate
Wonder if the T92E1 will be researched through either the Engine or Tracks
karmic field
It's a mix between Walker Bulldog and RU-251
slow goblet
I do enjoy lights, not sure about the credit coeff on it
karmic field
T8 German Light. Built like a bulldog, speed of a light, and gun of the RU - laser beams with insane pen and HEP. It's also a great cred grinder yes
It is 170%, but the ammo is really cheap, because your AP penetrates everything, and your HE actually is insanely strong, and repair costs are low. With premium and credit boosters, I easily get 100k a win
And your HEAT...well...
Only load 2-5 of that. You won't need it almost ever
275mm of HEAT pen, 191 on AP and 112 on HE
slow goblet
On blitzstars it has the second lowest dmg per game average of all t8 prems
karmic field
You like fast DPM tanks, right?
Comet, M41 Walker Bulldog, etc.
slow goblet
I like lights a lot in general yeah
I just wonder if Löwe or T34 is a mre safe choice because of enough pen to pen everything frontally
191pen will struggle against heavies frontally
karmic field
If you are worried about penning stuff...
Load HEAT
It's 275mm with calibrated shells
Also, it's a light. If you play lights like I think you do, you will never see the front of a heavy tank. Lol.
slow goblet
Hopefully not :p
karmic field
If you NEED one of those two slow, beefy heavies, the Lowe is higher skill cap than the T34, but looking at your stats you can probably handle it
https://blitzhangar.com/en/tank/lekpz-m-41-90-mm
This will let you look at all it's numbers
It plays exactly like an M41 Bulldog, which seems to be your favoured tank right now, with almost 5k wn8
slow goblet
I play bulldog with the autoloader tho :p with all the goldammo flying around it could be to choose something not relying on armor
Could be good to*
karmic field
^
Yep, you played the bulldog EXACTLY like me. Let me guess:
Look at enemy team. Decide: What way are reds going? Will they split, will they stay together? Go the one way they will not go, get into the red base, and just start blasting
Am I right?
I love my iekpz
Or, if they look like they're splitting up, play at safe. Go solo, but stay at a range. Use stellar spotting range and camouflage to outspot enemies, and take shots where you can.
slow goblet
What is your opinion about SU-122-44?
I expect there won't be a better discount on it than the current one. I loved it in WoT, but here it hasnt got high dpm, just average t7 td one.
karmic field
It's super good, honestly. It's like a slightly less broken WZ-120-1G FT
Very mobile, super trolly frontal armor, and a wonderful gun, to be more descriptive
slow goblet
Yeah, always trying to find an opening to flank some reds, pump out the 480dmg and get out
karmic field
Exactly. Now imagine doing that, but instead of firing 3 shells for 480 in six seconds, fire one shell with crazy aimtime for 300+ into almost anything, because your HE is insanely good
And there you get the Cruel Twist
slow goblet
I wish the intraclip reload was 1,5 sec like on Strv 74A2 tho. Funny how a t6 med has a much better gun than a t7 light
karmic field
yeah, it is a bit stronger, but at the same time the bulldog has really crazy mobility
also... Premium tank things, so...
karmic field
Other tanks that you would probably like would be the Amx 30 1er/30B, the AMX CDC, T-55A (Which hasn't been sold for a while so may come out in black friday)
But going further would go into russian meds or russian knockoff meds with no gun depression
slow goblet
I got the IS-5, but the gun handling is terrible on it, armor is not reliable against t8s either. T34 AND löwe both seem to do much better
karmic field
I just got my IS-5, and am really enjoying it. Reverse sidescrape on it absolutely slays. And if you can deal with russian gun things, then you can deal with that tank
slow goblet
Amxes were on sale now, but too expensively
karmic field
yeah, I know.
I MAY have gotten the 30 1er, and it MAY be the tank I am best in, but...
slow goblet
T55a is also like 15k-20k gold
I have about 7k gold to spend nowon a good prem
Hoping that if Black friday comes i could still get SU-122-44 and a t8
solid gate
When is-5 gets a buff?
frigid compass
why does it need one
other than the gun handling being meh why does it need a buff
karmic field
That's russian gun things though
It's a premium for 1500. They can't make it too strong
I would suggest continue saving gold until black friday, or buy a smaller pack
frigid compass
well i never tried the IS-5 gun but the gun handling seems similar to WZ-112-2 gun handling but a little tiny bit worse so i dont think it would be that bad
slow goblet
Yeah, I doubt they would ever buff it. People would not buy the overpriced other prems then. At least not as many.
frigid compass
K-91 was worth all of the gold i spent on it
slow goblet
Dont have it, but it seems great on paper
karmic field
it's insane now. They overcooked it.
karmic field
Well, considering how much its been winning since those buffs...
That, and 40 alpha on a 3-shell autoloader is actually a 120 alpha buff, technically speaking
Note the common trend with autoloaders:
Light armor, decent mobility
Add the bit alpha, give it armor AND mobility. Then look at it
solid gate
Nerf tiger
compact tartan
If it is at all, how much of a step up from the Standard B is the Progetto?
glass relic
K-91 got what it deserves tbh.
quartz ruin
Are they going to add CVR-T? The British need a high tier light tank.
noble tundra
solid gate
What strong tank in Russia?
slow goblet
Lada
solid gate
I noticed the bagelpanzer was a light German tank that can be implemented, starting from the SPIC, just an idea.
eager pine
We need Char 2C in this game
shrewd basalt
@solid gate yeah the Dev shoul nerf the Lower Glacis on Tiger II
frigid compass
@solid gate begleitpanzer is basically an autocannon tank unless they also implement the atgm on it
autocannons at tier 10 isnt going to do jack against a heavy unless you get to the sides
shrewd basalt
Any Tips For P.43 Ter ?
I still feel somewhat sluggish when Turning
solid gate
Any tips for amx elc bis? I still couldn't survive
deep ivy
Hey @everyone
I have a question. A.t.m. I own 5 tier 10 vehicles (T-22 medium, AMX 30 B, Maus, E 100 and FV215b 183), and I'm looking to add one more to my collection. On the list of possible vehicles are: FV215b, IS-4, IS-7, E 50 M, VK72.01K, M48 patton, T110E5 and T110E4. Which of these do you guys reccomend?
I really like maus, but currently T-22 and AMX 30B are lovable to
solid gate
@deep ivy 215b, is4, e50m and e5
devout tapir
^^^^^^
vague adder
Is this enough proof to show that the pershing needs a buff or do I have to scare you with its stats of pen and reload
solid gate
give it the best viewrange amongst the other meds, all that is needed
solid gate
If the pershing gets a buff, what with the fcm which is already worse than it
narrow shadow
Pershing is gucci, the turret is very respectable for a med
deep ivy
@solid gate the FCM 50 t is way better than a pershing. Fcm has great armor and a gun that punches through everything. No need to buff it
Pershing and T26E5 both need a buff though. Im with @vague adder on that flank
short flame
LMAO great armor? its literally paper except half bouncy turret
solid gate
Pershing really doesn't need a buff. There Super Pershing could use some gun handling love but that's really all it needs.
deep ivy
@short flame why then it bounces T49 missiles and ISU152 shells?
There is a reason it is classified as a heavy on the full game
short flame
@deep ivy because t49 has no missiles and if isu152 bounces over fcm is because of lucky autobounce angles, so the enemy is a stupid noob
vague adder
Diablo really, it needs "gun handling" or something. No it needs better penetration better aiming time and then its fine. Or even dispersion buff over aiming time would be better. Have you played the tank yourself?? Its so bad
Cant even accurately shoot an Ru 251 at 200 meters if hes hard cover peaking
narrow shadow
@vague adder Better gun handling does translate into better aiming time.. Also, pershing has excellent turret for a med and good APCR, the tank definitely doesn't need a buff
vague adder
Seriously the turret isnt so good the type 59 and T 54 Lw have good turrets this one hasnt
Its easy to pen
@narrow shadow
narrow shadow
Try hitting that when the Pershing moving. It's obviously not impervious, but most shells will hit the mantlet unless you play super close range
vague adder
Well just to show you that the pershing is just bad anyway
short flame
Lmao, try to perfectly face an enemy's gun barrel while moving, otherwise 2 degrees are enough to paper out the turret
solid gate
do you actually want the t26e5 buffed? it is such an amazing tank if used correctly..
solid gate
Pershing is fine
Super Pershing isn't.
The only problem the Pershing has is that players don't know how to play it. It is a strong medium if played correctly.
vague adder
Diablo can you come up with some valid points for once instead of just saying "its fine" the tank is bad really bad it has a 46 average winrate with, 960 damage average
solid gate
It does a good job of ridge fighting and can hull down well. It is flexible and mobile enough to get what needs to be done. It has a poor win rate because players don't know how to play it. If you play it like a Soviet heavy you are going to lose.
vague adder
I play it like its suppost to be played but the pen is so bad you cant even pen an IS 3
solid gate
Hell it was one of the first lines I failed my way up and I've managed to keep a 56% wr.
vague adder
The T20 is much better anyway because the pen is atleast average for a tier 7
solid gate
If memory serves the APCR pen of the Pershing is best in class
vague adder
180 pen..
solid gate
The tank really doesn't need a buff. Players need to learn how to play it
268 pen on apcr
That is more than enough to get the job done
vague adder
I tried and did I play it quite good tbh but still the damage and pen just lack and also the normal rounds should be more not the apcr that only does 160
solid gate
If you can't make 268 pen work in a tier VIII medium you shouldn't be playing a tier VIII medium ¯_(ツ)_/¯
vague adder
160 damage 6.5 reload at tier VIII
solid gate
Don't get me wrong I'd love if they buffed it. But I don't think it's necessary at all.
vague adder
Its just bad jusy compare it to the other meds
solid gate
Alpha is 190 on apcr. If you are going to make an argument please bring real numbers to the party.
slow goblet
Tanks should not have to rely on goldammo and expensive consumables to be decent. Just give Super Peeshing's pen to Pershing. It is supposed to be the same tank with added armor plates.
I am having a pretty bad time with Chrioteer and it seems I would have to spend 40-50k credits a battle on food, consumables and goldammo to make up for all the frustrating downsides
solid gate
@vague adder you’re saying you are playing it correctly but i fail to believe so if u r saying the tank is bad, it has good mobility and good prammo pen, u wont be able to pen places where other meds also aren’t really able to pen, in that case the 268 mm of pen on APCR is great, makes most heavies gray. Turret is a very hard pen if u keep moving constantly on the ridges
Bingo. This guy gets it
Play the Pershing right and it's one hell of a medium.
narrow shadow
I mean it's one of the worse meds, because it's not too versatile I think to be fair, but definitely not the worst and very playable. The cherry on top is that he said T20 is good. Dude, T20 is tier for tier far far worse than Pershing.. it's pretty much the tank without any kind od armour, not even very good turret like Pershing, and better pen tier for tier in exchange..
vague adder
@narrow shadow I actually quite like the T20
tulip sail
Wait since when was the persh bad? I love that thing it's a super reliable ridge liner and occasional flanker
Of the med t8s I have played the only one I'd say even needed a buff would be the t-44-100 (although I have few battles in it so I cant really judge it too harshly) and maybe the cent its good but I feel something Is slightly lacking
narrow shadow
T44-100 should get a gun depression buff So it's the same as T44. It'll still be slower, but with side skirts to prevent HE from the side
tulip sail
That would be wonderful
solid gate
@solid gate in hull down yes
quartz ruin
@solid gate it depends on your playing style. You can use ELC as a mobile TD or a pesky light tank that is always moving.
dapper panther
ELC's 160dmg in tier5 is like 640dmg in tier8
near sonnet
Pls dont just camp in elc
Its a light tank use it as one. Only thing it misses is fully rotational turret
And it has like godike mobility so that doesnt really matter
quartz ruin
Well I can't play the running around like crazy well. Not to mention ELC turning radius is quite large. So I use it as a spotter and a mobile TD. Shoot sideways on the move. And I never camp.
slow goblet
@dapper panther you drunk mate? A t5 heavy has about 680hp. You need 4.25x160dmg for that. 4,25x640 is 2720. Which t8 heavy has 2.7k hp? Most t10s dont have that much lol. Your comparison is bs. No, 160dmg at t5 is not like 640dmg at t8. If ELC did about 290dmg instead of 160, then it would be like 640 at t8.
solid gate
Fond memories of T20 but none of Pershing. Anyway last night someone was suggesting we shouldn’t add more tanks. But they are already doing that still. Chimera is coming along with Progetto 46 and Caernarvon Action X. Then there is the Japanese TDs. I don’t mind more tanks to come. More tanks for people to grind. Especially the older players who are running out of new tanks to play. Of course those guys will want something more unique but any tank is fine by me. Well except Japanese heavies I can forget about and Object 279.
hushed shadow
There’s also the Sheridan and the WZ 111 5A
solid gate
Mhmm
woven stone
And VK90.01
solid gate
Yeah. Loads more tanks to come.
woven stone
Judging by the current stats, the Progetto 46 seems to be a bit OP...
It have good DPM, good gun handling, good speed...
It’s only flaw is probably its armor.
karmic field
Judging by current stats, all the autoreloaders other than the sherman are a bit OP
granite iris
Hi guys I just got my vk4502B. I found the previous one (A) decent, got a 55% WR. What should I expect with this one??
narrow shadow
An E75 but worse in everything. It's quite trash
granite iris
@narrow shadow ewww
narrow shadow
You would expect it to be good sidescraper right?
Well, HEAT will meme pen u even at AP autobounce angle, so yeah..
granite iris
@narrow shadow I will check game plays 😊
solid gate
Prammo usually ruins any sort of maneuvers.
I get using it for when you need to guarantee pen but those who spam prammo need to be shot up and killed. They are so annoying. No matter what vehicle you are driving then just keep penning you even though they do lower rolls.
Anyway I loved VK 45.02 A. Everyone was against me saying Tiger II was better but I felt differently. Even stock the VK was getting bounces I didn’t expect while Tiger II was just how Bushka said it was. Before the armor buff Tiger II was more or less hit points only for armor. It could try to hide that lower plate and side scrape but it was so touchy. If you didn’t do it just right you got penned. VK though I wasn’t even afraid to face an IS-6 at close range in. Granted that IS-6 may have been using the old gun but couldn’t be sure. But that was last time I played the tank. We’ll see how it holds up now.
elfin edge
nah 4502a is so easy to pen, but 4502b is a monster
solid gate
I haven’t played B and A isn’t that easy to pen if he knows what he is doing. Anyway no map is good for AT 7 and AT 8. They are such jokes. Assault guns my foot. Can’t see anything that is above or below them.
tulip sail
The at7 is only useful if you have a roommate that's in a vc with you as a personal guard
It's only ok in everything else
slow goblet
When will wg finally fix T-49 ammos? 4800credits for HE is bs.
slow goblet
Most of the times it does 200-350dmg... The only rare occasion it works is if you find a paper td or a peper butt on a tank. HEAT just diesappears in the tracks of any enemy shot 90deg in the side.
Ammo choices should be similar to how it is in WoT.
HE, premium HE with higher dmg, HEAT
solid gate
Well I’m done with AT 7. Leaving it on the stupid 47% or whatever slightly below 50% it has. Moving on to Comet then Chinese tier 7s then back to P43 ter.
fringe notch
Finally got to 50% WR in the T28 Proto. What a dreadful tank. Sold, never to be played again 😥 Now I can move on to something more fun in tier IX.
keen mantle
So what's the current flavor of the month OP tank
slow goblet
P44 panthera
fringe notch
WZ-120-1-FT. Same as every month.
keen mantle
I heard the tiger 2 buff was a bit overboard
slow goblet
It is
keen mantle
I haven't seen enough in game to really reach an opinion myself but yeah those are some beefy stats
slow goblet
Its just the front armor got rly thicc
keen mantle
Yeah I'm aware
frigid compass
Tiger 2 best tier 8 med
keen mantle
People seem to say lower plate nerf is a good idea and I'd be inclined to agree given lower plates take skill to hide when possible and it's a great thing when skill can cover for the weaknesses of a tank
I really can't say much given I've never bothered grinding that line to tier 8 though lol
woven stone
So it is OP?
keen mantle
T49 HE needs to be un-premium-ized but WG won't do it because they want the dolla
solid gate
people are already complaining that pantera is op. I mean look at those stats 😂
keen mantle
We could maybe compare it to a tank that isn't being played by under 100 players
Like I get they're both auto reloaders but still
solid gate
The point is to show how op the progetto is, not pantera...
keen mantle
I doubt WG's gonna be touching it somehow sadly
solid gate
Eh another episode of powercreep, heck yes
keen mantle
I was a bit confused on what you were trying to imply there and was thinking you were using that image to mock those complaining about the Pantera
Which I would totally agree with
I wish we wouldn't get so many premiums that are just better
solid gate
I mean in WoT it's the same thing, progetto just outclasses the pantera
keen mantle
Yep
solid gate
Because that's how you make more money
keen mantle
I mean in WoT there's also the IS-3A, aka defender but better
solid gate
Is3a is just stupid
keen mantle
The idea that it gains dpm as you empty is super dumb
solid gate
Reverse autoreloader on Is3... What can go wrong
keen mantle
Thankfully at least we were spared from that abomination
solid gate
Same as progetto 65 and standard b in blitz tbh, there ain't much skill if you just shoot whenever you are loaded
for now 😂
keen mantle
Yeah it's a bit whack
I finally started playing blitz again after like a year off and just jumped into tier 7-8 to try and get back into practice before stepping up again and I've been on 65% so I guess I haven't gotten completely awful lol
solid gate
Well most of the playerbase has gotten completely awful
keen mantle
Fair enough enemies seem a lot worse somehow
Was alone on a corner in the IS-6 against 5 enemies and only the T49 thinks maybe pushing is a good idea lol
limpid mauve
Someone said that Japanese tds are coming out soon. Is that true?
tiny plume
affirmative
limpid mauve
Cool
quasi mirage
t49 with premium HE is good otherwise we would see to many of em
solid gate
t49 are light but they still eat literally 90% of my hp, then ram into me and i die miserably...
solid gate
I think T49 has the worst camo rating among light tanks because it gets that big gun. Surely it’s not that much bigger than M41 if at all. It’s just got such a low camo rating for a light tank. That’s what I don’t like about it even without playing it.
Also “soon” means middle of next year. So not really soon but more like soonish.
yea more like ''we dont really know if they even will release it'' cuz sometimes wargaming changes their plans
radiant spire
What are we discussing here Emma?
coral orchid
Churchill mk VI or churchill VII (be leaderboard)
acoustic folio
how is the church mk vi?
violet yarrow
WZ111 any good?
acoustic folio
decent
solid gate
Is t57 heavy still good?
torpid hatch
Can I have 19? My admin name is stary666 Serb Asia
hushed shadow
19 what
dapper panther
T95E2 any good?
spark basin
no
tulip sail
If used right then yes however some people struggle
solid gate
Tell, what are the downsides to a Lycan?
rigid thunder
incredibly bad gun accuracy, weak lower plate are what stand out to me
dapper panther
for feeling, it's kinda identical to IS-2's gun, both for alpha, both for unreliability, both for reload
subtle mason
How's cromwell B? Should I buy it, or wait for some discount for type62? Want to have a fun, fast tank
calm inlet
Cromwell B is one of the best Tier 6’s
Type 62, if sold again, will likely be priced much higher
quiet forge
Which of those tier 8 tanks in the store is the best buy?
I seriously don't know
I can't find any info on the internet etc.
solid gate
Lowë or M6 EXP, Lowë is still a pain to fight against and EXP has a very powerful front plating, like the Tiger II, and very good gun, from what I have experienced durings fights against it, it needs to be Nerfed.
eager pine
T54 mod 1 @quiet forge
quiet forge
thank you @eager pine
narrow shadow
@quiet forge Mod 1 is the best out of the bunch, but that doesn't mean it's a good buy. It can only fight same or lower tier medium tanks in a brawl, otherwise it's very slow for a med and has tragic gun with the crazy low DPM.. Tbh none of the current deals are rly worth it
quiet forge
Will there come out any other tanks in the black friday events?
solid trench
These tanks cover the entire span of the black friday event/deal until 2 december....so....who knows if other tanks will be sold
quiet forge
Bc I really want that m4 of the black friday event
placid adder
Hey guys, is the t-34 2 need a buff or no
subtle mason
Will there come out any other tanks in the black friday events?
Yes, on 29th
quiet forge
@subtle mason do you know which?
subtle mason
No
feral ore
u think I can purchase the fl10 after the event ends with gold
quiet forge
Don't think so actually
feral ore
well in other events once the thing ends u get a day to purchase the stuff ur missing with gold. are you sure it won't work?
quiet forge
we will see
feral ore
I'll ask a wg staff then first ig
solid trench
Why should there be additional tanks on offer on 29th?
quartz ruin
How is IS2 (1945) and T28 HTC? Which is more worth the gold?
dapper panther
HTC worths, IS2 doesnt
lyric oriole
IS-2 45 is pretty close to IS with the 122, slightly better Hull IMO, HTC isn't that great
quartz ruin
So tier 8, if I already have Löwe and mod 1 which one ti choose. And thank you for all the response
dapper panther
HTC's frontal armor is kinda OP on mid-to-long range
IS2 however, feels paper on any distance
lyric oriole
HTC has numerous weakspots that stretch to each side, the turret, and both the mini-MG turrets, it's also an assault Vehicle and doesn't perform well at long range
quartz ruin
If IS2 same as IS then it's a slow medium, right?
lyric oriole
IS-2 45 actually plays like a heavy Because the hull armor is better
quartz ruin
Oh, okay. So sidescraping?