vehicles-discussion

[dusk flame]

Ah alright, cool

[blissful cave]

I have it
From what people say it’s nearly the same as the regular panzer 58
But I would NOT recommend getting the tier 8 certificate because this is the only way to get this tank so why pick something that you either already have or couldve bought in the shop for just 7500 gold

[keen shore]

Was the Schwarzpanzer 58 not sold in the shop some time?

[blissful cave]

Nope
That was probably panzer 58
I’ve never seen it for sale or in crates same with Aufkl

[dusk flame]

I’ve never seen it either

[blissful cave]

Panzer 58 which is the same tank is the one that’s available to everyone

[keen shore]

According to blitzkit comparison it is actually slightly worse.

[blissful cave]

Because it’s armor is ever so slightly thicker

[keen shore]

At least it cannot be HE'd to the sides by mediums anymore lol

[teal pilot]

Yes very fun tank

[stuck pollen]

Which gun I research first on the m-v-yoh?

[hidden crown]

The 3-shell one.

[lament apex]

Sneaky E-100 in bush

[round delta]

average t77 gameplay

aim

miss

hit

eat poop

or

aim

hit

miss

eat poop

[snow spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-dumb-you-gif-8906255

[thorny mulch]

Thats why you cq as much as you can

[thorny mulch]

The Fv is one of those tanks that people get mad at for doing its job. Tells you a lot about it

[patent prism]

Guys I bought vickers mbt for 7500 was it a good decision?

[blissful cave]

Just got home after being out and thinking man I’ve been waiting all day to play some wotb

The teammates waiting to be paired with me:

[round delta]

not even cq is spared

[blissful cave]

https://tenor.com/view/sml-jeffy-finger-in-ear-silly-funny-gif-10811000936469642336

I forgot this is normal for Sundays

[thorny mulch]

Run cali and aim longer

[thorny mulch]

Imo not worth 7500. But 320 for a t8 medium is pretty busted

[round delta]

aiming longer on cq is a gamble, especially when you know the enemy will reload soon

[thorny mulch]

Thats why you have cali and fight cq. I never had any problems with the gun in cq

[round delta]

well running cali is a given atp cuz noone sane enough would use vents

[thorny mulch]

Yeah

[thorny mulch]

Im surprised u can play tanks like the caliban but not the t77 lol

[round delta]

i have the hand of derps, but cursed to miss every shot of any normal tank

i hit more snaps in my 150 e100 than in the grille or t77

[thorny mulch]

Duality of blitz

[thorny mulch]

I understand for the grille, the gun blooms like mad when you turn. Unless youre using rect cali

[round delta]

i barely use ret cali unless its a shot i know i cant hit or im in cqc and need to guaranteed a kill or hit

[thorny mulch]

You can pair it with rammer

[round delta]

not really worth it imo, rather just have more pen

[thorny mulch]

Depends on the preference. Rect cali and rammer works very nicely

[round delta]

fair, i just prefer more pen cuz the reload is enough

i mean 10~ seconds for 600 dmg is crazy

[thorny mulch]

True, im just mad they took ap from the grille and gave it apcr

[round delta]

BRO IM MAD TOO

THEY MURDERED MY GOAT

[thorny mulch]

[round delta]

luckily im that goated and pulled through

dont ask how many battles ive suffered

[thorny mulch]

Ive been trying to 3 mark my grille been getting 3-5k games and it says my mark is only going up 0.1-0.6%. Idk if its a glitch or people are just that good

[round delta]

i thinn 2.5k is enough

given i got 2.6k+ games and i still got the bar up

and first 10 games massively decrease gun mark points

[thorny mulch]

Thats probably why

[thorny mulch]

Yeah im looking at the 3 mark req and its around 200 which is nice

[timber torrent]

Opinions on the kranvagn?

[thorny mulch]

It sucks fr

[blissful cave]

Absolutely amazing tank and my favorite tier 10

[robust osprey]

T-44 Ceremony 🇺🇿
Tier VIII
Yes / No?

[valid gale]

There’s already multiple T44s

[mental perch]

Indeed

[robust osprey]

didn't stop WG with the shermans and t-34s lol

[valid gale]

Notice those are low tiers

[kindred wren]

I mean as a legendary camouflage, sure, why not

[robust osprey]

would indeed be better as legendary camo.

[robust osprey]

das not blitz

[fiery locust]

Do you prefer foch 155 single shot or double shot

[mental perch]

Double

[fiery locust]

I like single since it has more pen

[hidden crown]

Make it tier IX.

It deserves higher tiers.

[south ether]

is the Titan H-ND worth it

[desert lark]

what do u guys think is better EMIL 1951 bundle or the brute force bundle( obj 752 and TS 60)?

[mental perch]

1951 is trash

[desert lark]

fr

[mental perch]

Get brute bundle

[desert lark]

k

d is the obj 752 good cuz ive heard its like really op

[thorny mulch]

The 1951 isnt trash

[hidden crown]

I'd say it is.

What is that turret armor bro.

[desert lark]

is the kpz 50 t a good tank?

[violet timber]

Not really

[desert lark]

i guess the 752 is worth more that that then

[violet timber]

Yes

[thorny mulch]

Well its a heavium for a reason

[blissful cave]

Yeah Emil is basically just a heavy medium tank
Armor comparable to stuff like Chimera, super Pershing, Nemesis probably

[thorny mulch]

Yes. You have dpm, armor and tungsten

[thorny mulch]

Worse armor than the chimera and sp

[blissful cave]

Stuff like that depends on if WG wants to class a tank based on what the nation made it to be or based on what they want it to be they do that all the time
Sweden called it a heavy but I’m pretty sure to other nations it’s like a medium tank

Like how Italy wanted to call P40 a heavy tank but was barely like a sherman or panther

[thorny mulch]

Very cool

[thorny mulch]

Its pretty strong. Your gun is derpy as hell though

[blissful cave]

WG LOVES to do this with US
Classing medium tanks as heavies because they don’t have enough actual heavies

[thorny mulch]

Like what?

[violet timber]

MBT-B and Yohs come to mind

[thorny mulch]

But theyre concept vehicles

Wg please give me more nemesis crates

[agile geyser]

Don’t need the turret armor, you gotta aim, shoot, move

[thorny mulch]

The turret armor only works when youre using full gun dep

[blissful cave]

Concept 1B
T95E6
As mentioned MBT-B and Yohs
T54E2 uses M48 Patton hull but I think the US called it a heavy so that ones debatable
TL-7 was designed to be a lightweight medium
T77 same thing M48 patton hull
AE phase 1

.
So for non concepts T95E6
and T54E2 and T77 depends

But concept or not it still counts as this if they were designed as mediums and the concepts or weight says so

[blissful cave]

And I won’t count heavy tanks redesigned as TD’s because those make sense because of their limited traverse like T95, TS-5, T110E3, TS-60, XM66F, etc

[tulip steppe]

but they werent really called tank destroyers they were assault tanks

[blissful cave]

Yeah I know they weren’t TD’s but I’m saying it’s understandable that the game marks them as TD’s because of the turretless/limited turret design

[tulip steppe]

oh i see, i guess youd have to know at what weight did they use as a MT/HT back then , i dont think the US had anything close to as heavy as the soviets

[blissful cave]

I know, it’s only comparable within that own nation

Like Sweden thought of Strv 81 (centurion) as a heavy tank because nothing they made came close to the weight of Centurion even though to Britain it was a medium tank

They had Strv 74’s at the time so that was their medium and thought of Strv 81’s as their heavier tanks

Which also goes back to the Emil 1951 thing from earlier if you scroll up, Swedens standards for a heavy tank were much lighter than the Soviets or everyone else

[tulip steppe]

the sweedes also considered their strv wedge vehicles as tanks though, obviously their classification cant be trusted lol

[blissful cave]

They are tanks
Just very weirdly shaped ones

[thorny mulch]

Im assuming the mtb was “designed as a medium” due to the fact that the term medium evolved into mbt?

[blissful cave]

Yeah pretty much MBT’s are just medium or heavy based on weight

[thorny mulch]

Cool

[pure bronze]

mane I really hate the TL-7-120 being a heavy

[blissful cave]

Yeah the others are at least understandable but this one they went so out of their way to make it what it is
It’s a light weight medium tank with a 90mm with 3 various weight options A B and C and in game TL-7-120 is like double the weight/armor of C
They couldve just made it a tier 8 medium or light tank or something

[pure bronze]

for somewhat reason it is a tank destroyer in wot pc

[blissful cave]

Yeah they had two chances and still have no idea what they’re doing with it

Ship of Theseus tank

Change every physical aspect of the tank except for the shape of how it looks is it even the same tank anymore

The name is at least the same (mostly) so that’s good

At least it’s not TS-60 (TL-6) where they changed the name of it and then made very small unnecessary changes that are like…what was the point of that? Like adding one extra road wheel making it slightly longer

[pure bronze]

my idea is a t9 med TL-7 that has the same playstyle as astron rex with 105mm of 360 alpha

ngl TL-7 feels underwhelming as a heavy in t9 because you cant sidescrape or hull down

[blissful cave]

Yeah I like it as a tank but I don’t play it

They should add a tank called the super duper Pershing as a tier 9

[pure bronze]

Pershing promax

[blissful cave]

Maus 2

(Which is an actual thing btw)

It’s just where E-100’s box turret is from

[pure bronze]

premium ver for Maus frfr

[blissful cave]

It’s just maus with E-100 turret that’s kinda it but sure always down to see real tank concepts added

We got Tiger maus which is pretty much the opposite
Maus turret on E-100 hull

[violet timber]

Technically the turret is different as the one planned for the E100 had to be lightened to work for the hull

[somber lava]

ST-62 vs Obj 590?

[violet timber]

590 by a landslide

[sullen abyss]

^

[blissful cave]

Just the look of it I meant

Because yea if the maus turret was too heavy for it then this one also designed for maus would’ve probably been too

[timber torrent]

Reason why its amazing

[harsh elm]

it'll prob be worse than the current maus

[thorny mulch]

Nah, this is wargaming were talking about here

[harsh elm]

well its basically an e-100 turret on a maus so 🤯

[thorny mulch]

I dont even know what to think of that anymore. Too many e100 turrets on maus hulls maus turrets on e100 hulls (variants) maybe im just tired

[dusk flame]

Aw man, that sucks

[queen merlin]

Yo is the T110E5 really good?

[dusk flame]

I hear it’s okay. Might want to look at the E4 as well. It’s a TD but plays like a heavy and is really great

[lament apex]

Absolutely amazing tank and always meta

[mental perch]

Yes

[queen merlin]

Sure bet

[light hamlet]

I'm curiously since that modding the tanks skin is I think perfectly fine from what I heard in steam

Is there any cool tank skins for the projet Louis and Murat? I cannot get such info because I'm on mobile rn

[dusk flame]

I got carro and kpz 50t today - they still worth playing?

[sullen abyss]

IMO ye

[dusk flame]

I had em both, or more or less all tanks, on my previous account which was from when wotb started. They played good when I had them there, but so many things have changed.

[slow island]

Hi i am new in this game can you tell me to which teck tree to get

[unkempt widget]

Guys I think WG have to add this captured tank

[valid gale]

And why’s that

[static fractal]

What do you think of the XM66F?

[crude ivy]

I could tell you if I had one🙃

[static fractal]

Damn. I pulled it today. Idk if I should sell it

[crude ivy]

Keep it and don't sell it for gambling

[static fractal]

Could buy Kpz 50t then.. Whats better?

[crude ivy]

I prefer TDs to meds, so....

[static fractal]

I just keep it

[thorny smelt]

It's like FV217 Badger but with a turret

[blissful cave]

When you your entire team because they all did under 300 damage with two doing absolutely nothing and they have the nerve to thumbs down you back (when you’re top damage and the only one who actually did anything)

[patent prism]

weekly occurrence

[blissful cave]

Pff that’s happened several times to me this session alone

Getting a team where half the team did zero damage or only one measly shot of damage and I react all of them and they me back
Who do you think you are? You are in no position to do that when you did absolutely nothing and I cannot imagine being that bad

[thorny mulch]

Human tendency to react

[sullen abyss]

ppl are better at giving reactions than just shooting the enemy twice or thrice

[blissful cave]

How I imagine Blitz players on the results screen after doing absolutely nothing and dying

What about the human tendency to improve at something the more you do it

[sullen abyss]

They might not be human

[blissful cave]

Lmao you’re right
NPC/bot behavior

[thorny mulch]

Been running into a ton of 20k+ battles players who have sub 1k damage and have under 50%wr. They just play for the sake of playing

[blissful cave]

@thorny mulch this is probably how they look booting up blitz just to give their hands something to do

[wet sky]

Got the T-34-2 with the 120mm, any tips?

[dusk flame]

Shoot others, don’t die 😉

[pure bronze]

peekaboo tactic with your high alpha gun

[thorny mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/gosling-sad-gosling-ryan-gosling-blade-runner-snow-gosling-snow-gif-6845320348811377304

You can sometimes tell when they dont know where to drive at the start of the battle

[blissful cave]

I love when I go into a good heavy position on a map as soon as the game starts to get the first shot on an unsuspecting tank
and see a couple tanks appear, oh that’s more than I can take alone…oh every enemy tank all went this way alright then let’s see who’s here as backup and then I see every single other tank went the other way to go pick clovers on the med light side of the map even the other heavies and go have a party where there are exactly 0 tanks

And then fight a last stand against several tanks all shooting at me at the same time and STILL get top damage💀

[wet sky]

https://tenor.com/view/my-popeyes-mondays-gif-21025806

[timber torrent]

Opinions on the Turtle mk 1? Im planning to play it cuz i never did

[solid gate]

Very slow but good gun and you can actually bounce some shells

[dusk flame]

I'm having fun int it, though it's not the most actionfilled gameplay 😉

[twin ruin]

Is churchill w same as the tech tree one but eco friendly?

[robust osprey]

BT-42 🇫🇮
Tier IV / V
Yes / No?

[mental perch]

Big brain bt7

[dusk flame]

I find it hard doing well in kpz 50t... what am I doing wrong?

What precisely are it's strengths?

Ah, nvm - think I found them 🙂

[rotund gull]

Tier 5 Light on PC as Collab Tank GuP, but without Camo change. For Blitz more Tier 5 Light Tank

[blissful cave]

YEEEEES

I’ve wanted my Finnish beloved to be added since the day I started playing the game

[round delta]

grille 15 for some reason

[dusk flame]

Hehe

[blissful cave]

In blitz I’d maybe even want to see it added as a tier 6
So they don’t have to be so careful with it and make everything else so bad to compensate for having a big gun (like KV-1 short gun or what happened to every other low tier with a big gun) having a 114mm

[blissful cave]

(Not real video ofc just ai) I think this is really cool just to see a demo of what Tornvagn would look like if it was actually built :)

[thorny mulch]

Im a big fan of the hull

[blissful cave]

I wish Sweden actually built all their cool tanks like Tornvagn, Emil, Lansen, UDES 15/16 and finished the Kranvagn

[crisp shuttle]

Top 4 countries with the best vehicles?

Imo
1.Germany
2.USSR
3.USA
4.UK

[lament apex]

Lorraine 50T feels really good surprisingly

[dusk flame]

Overall in all categories?

[lament apex]

I personally would say Europe if we consider best vehicles mainly

There's no bad tier 10

[dusk flame]

Yeah I’m a bit confused over the statement… I can’t just pick one nation

[agile geyser]

Really depends on what stat and looks

[thorny mulch]

Either germany or europe id say

[crisp shuttle]

yh

[obsidian egret]

They selling it rn

the peaky blinder bundle and the wot plus pro also but seems overpriced on the wot plus pro

[wet sky]

Should I run the EGLD or Supercharger on the Blyskawica?

[tawny isle]

It has apcr you do not need the supercharger.

Also do not worry about penetration loss. Calibrated shells can cover for that. And normally you should be on or near the frontlines.

[wet sky]

Note taken, thx

[tawny isle]

🫡

[violet timber]

Scharger, egld won’t do a whole lot for you

[thorny mulch]

Nope, and nope

[fringe shell]

egld since blitz isnt long distancwe

[violet timber]

egld only activates when you're still, meaning on most tanks it actually doesn't come into use very often

So on pretty much everything the extra shell velocity is better, it makes things more consistent over every range and reduces the impact that ping has on your game

[thorny mulch]

All tanks need to sit still to accurately fire unless you have combat stabilization. The ping part is true, but the supercharger on the nc 70 isnt necessary

[violet timber]

But the NC70 isn't really going to be sitting still, and you don't have to sit still to have accuracy good enough to hit in most situations. The only time you're going to be sitting perfectly still is if you're camping, which the NC70 isn't, so supercharger ends up just being the better choice

[thorny mulch]

I dont get your point. No one not even frontliners fire on the move. Accuracy doesnt matter since youre a brawling td.

[violet timber]

You don't have to be on the move, just constantly wiggling which everyone should be doing. At which point you aren't stationary and egld doesn't work

[thorny mulch]

But youre not wiggling when youre firing lol

[violet timber]

Maybe not, maybe you are, it depends. Either way egld really doesn't help as much as a lot of people seem to think it does, whereas supercharger affects every single shot

egld is only better on tanks where you're sitting still for long periods of time, like tanks you intend on camping in or derp guns where you need to sit still for a long time to be relatively accurate

[thorny mulch]

Egld works 100% of the time wdym. If you are competent in your aim and know how to lead your shots supercharger isnt useful at all. Like i said no matter the range, every single tank needs to sit for a moment to aim in at a targets weak point to reliably hit it. And if youre up close anyways supercharger is useless

[violet timber]

egld only works if you're completely stationary lol, so if you're moving at all you don't get the aim time bonus

[thorny mulch]

And you are stationary 95% of the time you shoot

[violet timber]

Really? I'm not, but each to their own I guess. I prefer not giving my enemy easy pens personally

[thorny mulch]

And you prefer shooting on the move while missing half your shots ig

[violet timber]

Not really on the move, just wiggling where I'm still accurate because I'm not going fast enough for the gun to bloom

Especially in brawls, or anywhere up close, where the NC70 should be

[thorny mulch]

And if you are, supercharger is still useless in that scenario

[violet timber]

I wouldn't call negating MS differences useless, but again, each to their own. egld is absolutely useless there since you're never stationary though

[thorny mulch]

You also realize if youre moving hitting weakspots even up close are far more unlikely?

[violet timber]

More likely with supercharger than egld lmao

[thorny mulch]

Esp in a td with limited gun arc?

[violet timber]

Its okay if you don't use supercharger personally and prefer egld, but the fact of the matter is that supercharger is just more useful on the majority of tanks

[thorny mulch]

Were talking about the nc70 not other tanks but ok 🤷‍♂️

[violet timber]

Not really but okay?

[thorny mulch]

Ig you forgot

[violet timber]

And my point still applies to the NC70, so not really sure what you're trying to get at

[thorny mulch]

Your point?

[violet timber]

" the fact of the matter is that supercharger is just more useful on the majority of tanks", including the NC70

[thorny mulch]

Yeah i remain unconvinced

[violet timber]

That's fine lol

[thorny mulch]

[somber lava]

vstabs vs ref gun?

[tulip steppe]

do you shoot often on the move or moving the vehicle?

[somber lava]

I play ht and mt

is ref gun the TD choice and vstabs the ht brawler choice

[thorny mulch]

Refined gun. There is no competition

[robust osprey]

Kungstiger 🇸🇪
Tier VIII
Yes / No?

[rotund gull]

Swiss Königstiger🇨🇭/ 🇫🇷
Tier VIII
Yes / No ??

[rotund gull]

yes

but tier 7 like the VK 45.03

[valid gale]

???

[robust osprey]

wether you'd want it in the game or not.

[marsh grove]

Its pretty much just a king tiger but swedish

[valid gale]

Yeah but like why there’s so many of those at tier 8 already

[marsh grove]

Tanks that look like the Tiger II? or tanks that generally would compete against the tiger II in terms of stats

[valid gale]

Both

[marsh grove]

Ok i cant remember many tanks that look similar to the Tiger II except for the VK 45.02 A

[valid gale]

Keiler, löwe titan- nameless E75 TS is also still a 105mm id still count it

There’s nothing interesting about another tiger let alone if the whole thing about it is it’s used by another country

[robust osprey]

WG after adding the 13th T-34 lmao

[marsh grove]

Titan H-Nd?

[valid gale]

You act like that’s a gotcha but no that’s also the exact problem too

[valid gale]

Tiger 2 esque with a weaker 105mm there’s also the pharaoh though that might be a stretch

[marsh grove]

Pharaoh could work but it has an autoloader

Armor wise? Id say similar

[robust osprey]

ah yes my favorite WW2 german tank

[valid gale]

Hence stretch because even though it has the shape and protection it’s actually different than the cookie cutter ones

[marsh grove]

I forgot how chubby the nameless looks 💔

[valid gale]

Back when it first released it was pretty good

I was incredibly disappointed it didn’t have the visual effects the advertisement video had

[robust osprey]

what are the nameless and edelweiss tanks based on btw?
and the lupus?

[valid gale]

They’re from Valkyria chronicals and don’t have any preexisting design

[rocky elm]

Is it true that wotb is going to have a class XI tank?

[crisp shuttle]

mfs been theorizing about that since 2019

aint gon happen

[blissful cave]

Aeson just said it tho

[mental perch]

https://tenor.com/view/shondo-fallen-shadow-gif-4398997446504123332

[blissful cave]

If that’s true then it’s probably not coming for a very long time

[mental perch]

Why they're so mad for t11s lmao

[dusk flame]

Maybe they think other issues are more pressing than adding another tier of tanks

[mental perch]

Is it because they have a skill issue on tier 10s and scared about t11s? 🤔

[blissful cave]

I’ve shared my thoughts on tier 11 before
I’d love the idea of tier 11 but NOT the way PC added it

But I know for a fact that since blitz just picks up PC’s leftover scraps we’re just gonna get those tier 11’s

[mental perch]

What's wrong with wot 11s

[blissful cave]

They go for a 100% fictional approach rather than picking tanks that are the actual step above tier 10 tanks (where possible)

Instead of adding something like T-72 or like XM-1 or other early MBT’s they immediately go for just adding made up improvements to tier 10’s

[mental perch]

I don't think they're gonna do that after those feedbacks about wot and why are we judging them already

[blissful cave]

I don’t have a problem with that for tanks that don’t have a successor because they either simply don’t have one or the tank wasnt real to begin with
But this is their priority

[blissful cave]

Well because blitz rarely gets content first, and is always hand me downs from PC so if tier 11 is added I’m 99% sure they’ll come from the ones added to pc first
But I could of course be wrong and blitz tier 11 could be much different and is just simply a normal tier above 10

[rotund gull]

all PC Tier 11 Tanks

[valid gale]

Most from pc suck or are broken, and reforged isn’t even anywhere close to releasing

[mental perch]

It's gonna be released in a few years

[blissful cave]

Until I see tier 11 being put to good use in actually representing some real tanks I wouldn’t want tier 11 to be added
Plus all the ones they are adding look so overdesigned

[valid gale]

The hirshkafen is the only one that looks cool especially with its mechanic but it’s a worse grille on pc

[rotund gull]

Taschenrattey

[mental perch]

Leo 120

[rotund gull]

na is not funny to play

[valid gale]

Worst one, it’s inferior even to the leopard 1

[mental perch]

I'm saying it's cool not any good

[blissful cave]

It’s like the only real one too

And I think object 432u?

If we ever get tier 11 my most wanted tank would be T58 Heavy as the tier 11 to T57 Heavy, originally wanted it as a tier 10 collector but as a tech tree would be even better

[meager epoch]

Lefh is the best arty

[blissful cave]

I CALLED IT
I’m having the absolute worst session of wotb I’ve ever played back to back to back of extreme levels of 🐂💩 and I’m like “great what’s it gonna be this game? Full HP ammo rack?” The millisecond I say that it happens full HP ammo rack

[blissful cave]

I’m on the edge of going insane I literally called it the second the game started
“This time it’s gonna be full HP ammo rack” the first shot fired at me ammo racks

For that I’m absolutely not touching this game for the next several days it literally can’t get worse than that💀

[blissful cave]

The game before this it was 1v1 standoff with a tank both of us are a one shot I survive their last shot at like less than 20hp or something and would’ve been able to finish them off
but they get fire on me and lost because of that (faster than I’d be able to use the kit to put it out)

[drowsy crag]

SU-130 pm game I just had

Gun just said no

[brave basalt]

It's it true T11 is coming in Blitz?

[blissful cave]

Aeson said so, so there’s a good chance that’s true but nothing officially confirmed by WG I think

[timber torrent]

Opinions on the foch 155

[limber glacier]

You're forgetting the once from Lesta

There are less vehicles from tier 11 on lesta from what I'm familiar with, but they've got wn actual obj 279 as tier 11

[rotund gull]

lesta has other Tier 11 tanks and lesta is not any more WG. The Company has the same models but diffrent Tiers

we dont care about lestas Tier 11 tanks

[snow spoke]

It decent but awkward tank.

It got minimal gun arch and quite bad traverse dispersion together with weak track wheel.

Like, the "good" armor it has is really awkward to use with that combo

[snow spoke]

It quite good with single shot, can play like a 268.

[pine leaf]

how is the rinoceronte line

im currently grinding it, no idea if its good or bad, i like autoloaders so..

[brisk heron]

yo

guys quick qs, is the type 62 good? its a tier 7 tank from the chinese tech tree that i got during the lunar new year event.

[timber torrent]

Type 62? Tech tree? The type 62 is a premium. Its good imo

Though i rarely play it cuz it just gets always paired up agaisnt tier 8s

[brisk heron]

well, i meant that its chinese but yeah. I havent tried it yet

[timber torrent]

Its good if agaisnt tier 7. If agaisnt tier 8 you can just rush and die cuz you aint gonna do anything

[brisk heron]

damn, well we usually just get paired up with higher tiers whichever tank we have (except tier-10). I was hoping to know how it fares

[timber torrent]

Its just mid. Rember you dont have armour and are vulnerable to HE

[brisk heron]

yeah...I just recently started playing wotb again, got till tier 6 for most of the tech trees except china and japan lmao

[timber torrent]

Tho the gun is good for tier 7 ngl. Rlly accurate and deals ~200 dmg with AP

[brisk heron]

damn, i might as well give it a go rn, cya!

[timber torrent]

Good luck bro

[brisk heron]

[timber torrent]

Well? How is it?

[devout elbow]

I would add that the type 62 has like 280 HEAT pen.

[dry osprey]

283 heat with cali, better than most t8 💀

[devout elbow]

Yeah

[thorny mulch]

It has over 300m viewrange too

[devout elbow]

And adaptive concealment

[thorny mulch]

Yuh

[supple valve]

Is4 very good for low skill player?

[sudden girder]

How does this not count as a ace bruh🫩

[snow spoke]

If you mean the tank so good that will mask the skill issue, I don't think Is-4 is that kind of tank.

If you mean the tank that will teach newbie how to play without punishing them too much or mask the mistake, Is-4 kinda that tank.

[dusk flame]

Mk.1 is sooooo op, but I like it.
Except when I face it 😉

[brisk heron]

its pretty good. effective against the tier 6 and 7 that i fought, not as much against tier 8 tho

[lament apex]

👉 👈

[fallen zinc]

Guys, I want a genuine opinion: 1) Should the KV-2 get buffed to 970 HP?
2) Should the Obj 704 get a legendary camo??
3) Is the AMX defender a good tank???

[lament apex]

Probably no assist dmg actually, should've focused on tracks i think

[lament apex]

1 Idk man he doesn't seem to struggle too much
2 every tank should get legendary have camo, idk why u ask again

3 no

[fallen zinc]

Why isn't the AMX defender a good tank?

It's better than AMX 13 57 anyways

[lament apex]

It's just underwhelming in every stat possible unless devs changes it

[lament apex]

It's tier 7, defender is 8

[fallen zinc]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING, THE DEFENDER IS ONE TIER UP THAN ITS OG COUNTERPART.

[lament apex]

How it's related to earlier conversation

Oh yea mb, but what's point of comparing tier 7 and 8*

[fallen zinc]

The fact that I was asking whether the AMX defender was a good tank:

[lament apex]

No it's not
It's just same tank but forced to play vs stronger tanks

[fallen zinc]

It's one tier higher, so it must be better if so

[marsh grove]

Mid
It works
Not as bad as HWK 30 but it competes with other lights fairly well
End of story

[fallen zinc]

This guy gets me ig...

[lament apex]

Ke-ni otsu is tier 3 but it's considered better for it's tier than kv-1 but ofc kv-1 wins vs Ke-ni because Kv is higher tier, but it doesn't makes it better compared to it's tier

[fallen zinc]

Good point too...

Aight I guess the AMX defender wasn't as good as I had thought previously.

[lament apex]

You must try Bourrasque, same dmg same speed but only 2 seconds clip time instead of 5

[fallen zinc]

I have that

[lament apex]

Good news

[sudden girder]

My bad

[lament apex]

There just funny thing, tryhards mainly using good tanks which makes it difficult to farm ace

U have to hit enemy's tracks and other modules for xtra xp and assist which gives xp too
And capture points ofc

[supple valve]

Thanks for the reply,
The player is question is moving up tiers pretty fast and going down that line. He hasn't quite mastered angling and side scrapping. And does know weak spots yet. So was just wanting to know if it had enough armor to bounce the occasional shot even if not angled correctly or if he if not snapping just right. And get some pens if you dont know we're to shoot. If there is a better tank for this let me know I will try and convince him to grind something else.

Basically a pretty forgiving tank so he doesnt get frustrated and quit.

[cursive escarp]

1

[blissful cave]

Is that a 114SP turret on a Polish tank? …what is WG doing at this point?

[thorny smelt]

Another KV knock-off?

[blissful cave]

More like turreted Polish TD
With what looks like a 114SP turret

[sudden girder]

Hey that’s nice to know

[cloud python]

Why does nobody play the 263?

[modern sequoia]

People play it, just that it's been overshadowed by more yolowagons like foch or NC 70

[snow spoke]

So you mean a tank that so good it masking the mistake? In this case, idk

[blissful cave]

Lmao WG is funny, you can get one of these tanks guaranteed but it’s NOT gonna be one of the tier 8’s

[sullen abyss]

[vast plume]

Is the Ho-Ri TI a good tank? Thanks.

[thorny mulch]

Been wanting the e25

[blissful cave]

Not worth it from the crate since they’re 1500 a box, be sure to check the tanks section of the shop they rotate a tier 6,7,8 and 9 there frequently and don’t tell you the shop updated

I’ve been checking that spot daily if I can get T-150 in the tier 6 spot because I’ve seen Churchill GC in the shop which I’ve never seen that happen because it’s a removed tier 6 tech tree so hopefully I can get T-150

[blissful cave]

Just hit rank 50 in MBT-B

[thorny mulch]

Aight

[tacit bison]

wanting to get the cobra to mess around with cuz it seems like it could be a fun tank, is it worth it to get the elefant with it and both camos for 17,500 or just get the cobra for 10k?

[night citrus]

you can get a cobra for free at tier 9, the cent 7/1 with the hesh gun does the same

[unkempt trail]

hello yall, is the Erich konzept I good? I heard it was buffed quite some time ago

[blissful cave]

Tier 11? WG has the opportunity to do something really funny

[fallen zinc]

[pine leaf]

schwerer gustav reserved for tier 12

sturmtiger seems awesome for t11 tho

[thorny mulch]

It would suck

[pine leaf]

kv2 but slow

VERY slow.

[thorny mulch]

Bruh

[marsh grove]

Pretty sure Mir Tankov/Lesta already did that

Dunno for blitz though

[devout wagon]

Hey

[somber lava]

Should sturmtiger be a tier 8 td researchable after the tiger i? accuracy worse than a spinning kv2 in gravity force and horrid mobility + bad camo.

[marsh grove]

Youre bringing a tank with a 380mm caliber ROCKET to fight against other tanks

Worst suggestion iv seen for today

[thorny mulch]

😭

[lament apex]

They did that

[marsh grove]

yeah they did

[lament apex]

It does dmg almost same as Fv 215b 183

Not much more

But as exchange have no armor, terrible projectile speed and terrible gun handling

[desert lark]

practicaly no one would use that

[lament apex]

Oh yeah also low hp and no turret so it have to wiggle around to aim

[desert lark]

but i think it would be cool if it had very large AOE

[lament apex]

Please no artillery in blitz.

[desert lark]

i mean if it has that many drawbacks then might as well

or they can make it like the sheridan missile, can penetrate anything, unlimited dmg but only in fun gamemodes

[lament apex]

I was saying how it is in lesta tho, but it's probably going to have alot of front armor and decent speed in blitz to compensate, might gonna make it Front/Midlane

And maybe around 1100 dmg per shot

Not guaranteed, just my thoughts about it

[desert lark]

that makes sense i guess

but i feel like making it 1 shot everything but only in fun gamemodes makes sense too

it makes it feel different

u guys think that if the leopard 1 tech tree gets a tier 10 tank then it will be the leopard 2

[south ether]

projet murat good tank to grind?

[cunning basin]

please sell borrasque + progetto 46 in store i have 18k gold to spend

[marsh grove]

Mmm naaaaaaaaaaaaah

[brisk dust]

should i buy cobra for 10k gold?

[cosmic crown]

does anyone else think the type 63 is terrible?

[spare shard]

It barely got enough hull armor being a hulldown tank with heavy mobility. So...

[old valve]

I honestly really like it. Fast enough with decent gun handling, double AP, and 12° of depression. The armor can be very troll.

[sullen abyss]

It’s a solid vehicle

[cosmic crown]

yeah it has a lot of gun depression,but the pen and accuracy one it are some of the worst ive seen 😭 armour is almost useless from what ive seen way too easy to pen for a heavy

[sullen abyss]

Has combat stab for some reason and the Japanese prem ap is rly nice

It’s unfortunate you can’t use all 12 degrees without creating weakspots on your turret but you can easily circumvent that

[cosmic crown]

I dont think the created weakspots matter much since everyone can pen the turret cheeks

[old valve]

The gun moves very fast too

[sullen abyss]

Who is everyone bro

[old valve]

It doesn't really have those tbf.
The only time those get weak is when you're looking away from someone

Against an M-III Y

[cosmic crown]

no like head on, and who is everyone? well any tank I drive ig

[old valve]

The turret doesn't really get penned much at all

And the mobility is low-key pretty underrated

[sullen abyss]

Not even T34 - one of the highest pen tanks at t8 - with calibrated shells and gold ammo can pen the type 63’s cheeks on flat ground

[cosmic crown]

really? it always seems super weak to any tank really

most vehicles can from what ive seen tbh nothing specific in mind are you guys sure about the armour, I see it getting penned through the gun, armour seems super terrible

[sullen abyss]

You’re not providing any examples of specific tanks

[junior pasture]

Type 63? The Japanese tier 8 collector heavy? I doubt you are referring to the right tank, as it possesses insane gun depression allowing it to have a literally impenetrable turret. Unless youre shooting at the part that sticks out a bit, but that’s a very tricky shot.

[supple valve]

How do you get a tog?

[tulip edge]

Tog II is a premium tank, it can either be sold in the store directly or it can appear in gambling crates I guess.

Sometimes you can also enter community competitions held by wargaming etc and the prize can be that you get a premium or collector tank, you could ask for the Tog.
Some competitions are held in this server actually, I don’t think the one for this month is active yet though. But the channels are here #may-competition-news-n-rules #competition-discussion
The prize is usually you can choose a tank from a specific set of agreed ones, but I’d imagine if you won, asking for a Tog instead could be allowed but it depends

[cosmic crown]

its harder to provide tanks that are not able to tbh 😭. its the keiler all over again, which for some reason people told me has good armour, but then I am also able to just pen the turret almost always😭

[keen shore]

Can we give ASTRON Rex, Nemesis and Lorraine 40 t improved shell reload?

[keen shore]

Not quite impenetrable, but close enough I guess...

[robust osprey]

Grizzly Firefly 🇨🇦
Tier VI
Yes / No?

[pure bronze]

3.5s intraclip for Astron Rex feels like the M III Yoh got being slower 🥀

[valid gale]

Already existed as the Sherman V

[robust osprey]

different vehicles
sherman V is the british designation of the m4a4.
grizzly firefly is a grizzly hull with firefly turret.

[violet timber]

The Grizzly is a Sherman

[rotund gull]

and build in canada

The hull is based on the M4A1

[violet timber]

It’s literally just an M4A1 hull and turret cast on the US and sent to Canada, along with the engines, transmissions, and guns. It was really just a Sherman made in the US and assembled in Canada

[rotund gull]

https://canadianarmsandarmour.ca/the-m4a1-grizzly/

[violet timber]

I know what the grizzly is lol

[robust osprey]

okay. how about... GuP Ram

[keen shore]

Is that not just the firefly in british tech tree?

[keen shore]

It is faster and smaller than M-III-Yoh.

[pure bronze]

the intraclip feels a bit too long probably 3s would be fine

[robust osprey]

nope. it's a bit different. but i get why people say it's copy-paste.
i see the Grizzly firefly as a kind of tankenstein. american style hull, built by canada with a british gun.

[dusk bobcat]

Hi, I play with the Tiger-maus, I've noticed since I got it.
My shots hit enemy tanks but 4 out of 6 don't penetrate, it's always like this
If I don't penetrate the opponents, they break through almost every time, whether in T8, T9 or T10, it's an open bar for them!
I'm opening a complaint for you to look at whether the problem is me or whether other players are seeing the same problems
To sum up, I never or very little pierce, but I'm pierced like a barrel
Thank you for seeing and cordially

[crisp shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/sorprendido-cara-surprised-shocked-face-wow-oh-god-gif-15759918

I’d never thought I’d see the day

[haughty abyss]

I play the tiger-maus a good bit and I do not have this issue. Is the issue the gun showing it can pen, and then it just doesn't? I think it is a very good tank for blocking damage as long as you angle correctly. I frequently block 2k dmg against tier 10s

[sullen abyss]

Ok I see this is ragebait it’s my fault for falling for it

[cosmic crown]

no im dead serious I know everyone things the keiler has good armour, but I intentionally always shoot the turret since people say the turret is good, I dont bother for the side rear or what ever, I would still always target the turret.

[lament apex]

We don't need 67 more shermans that nobody gonna use
Please

[thorny mulch]

Paper cast armor tank

[blissful cave]

More Sherman’s more Sherman’s more Sherman’s

[limber glacier]

MAPLE MENTIONED

[urban gulch]

What is your guys opion of the grille 15

[vast plume]

How dou you properly use the Ho-Ri T.I please.

[junior pasture]

Those weakspots are quite small, if you’re in a tank with a boom stick it’ll be hard to accurately and consistently hit those spots. As well as the fact that immediately after you can flick your gun up, causing multiple misfires to ricochet

[junior pasture]

I haven’t used one myself, but looking at opponents, I’d recommend doing peek-a-boom tactics. Don’t rely on your armor, always expect enemies to cut through you. Don’t go med side (iirc) ho ri t.i. doesnt have very good traverse so you will get into a circle of death without support. Play as a heavy support TD in the 2nd to 3rd line.

[vast plume]

Thank you!

[junior pasture]

Nemesis does NOT need shell-reload boost are we fr? It does the same damage as a Chimera for HESH, with a 7 second reload… is that not broken enough? It also possesses really good armor for a t8 medium, much better than the Chimera. No point in buffing it further.

[junior pasture]

OP in the right hands, can just do whatever it wants without punishment. Really good camo values and accuracy allow it to be an insane sniper and it’s hard to deal with one if it’s bush-camping. Main weakness is obviously it doesn’t have good armor (but there’s spall so yeah) and its quite team reliant.

[keen shore]

It has a 22s clip reload where you cannot do anything and has 180~ pen with cali as opposed to 220~ on Chimeras standards

[thorny mulch]

I usually dont run spall. Gear oil helps you fulfill the mobile hyper accurate td role a lot better. The grille is one of a kind for plays like that

Also your gun is a big shield. Chances are most ppl are too afraid to risk splashing he on you

[robust osprey]

Bkan 1C 🇸🇪
Yes / No?

[icy shale]

it has no anti tank shells
whats the point

[robust osprey]

Results of my previous questions (for those curious):
NM-116🇳🇴: yes
T-44 Ceremony🇺🇿: as legendary camo
BT-42🇫🇮: yes
Kungstiger🇸🇪: no
Grizzly Firefly🇨🇦: no

[valid gale]

And 4005 or the UK for that matter had a 150mm at the time so

[keen shore]

*did not but yeah it is not like WG even lists real life round names at this point.

[keen shore]

Honestly Kungstiger can be added as a collector tier 7, just that it would probably be a bit irrelevant.

[still harness]

I was just wondering if su 130 has the option to install spall liner. I don’t have it so I don’t know

[last tinsel]

su-130PM? no. it doesn't have spall liner.
that would normally go to select german and british tank destroyers.

[pure bronze]

Chi-Ha Long Gun 🇯🇵
Tier VI yes or no?

[robust osprey]

100% yes

[pure bronze]

probably favorited by sealclubbers besides SU100Y because it has a turret and big gun of 12cm caliber

[still harness]

I thought bc25 tier 10 has option for spall liner

[marsh grove]

Batchat does have an option for spall

[vivid coral]

what tank should I go after KV-1?

[blissful cave]

Serious answer KV-1S
The funny answer KV-2

[agile geyser]

What Harley said.

The KV-1S provides better chances of serious battle performances.

KV-2 while fun… takes longer and unnecessarily limits your ability to grind IS7 upon completion of the is4 line

[blissful cave]

KV-1S also leads to both lines

KV-2 isn’t a tank you play to grind it’s a tank you play purely for fun and that’s it

[thorny mulch]

And a lot of people know the HE is ridiculously op for its tier

[blissful cave]

Yeah you need to know about HE splash damage to make the best use of these tanks
Not a lot of people know about using HE when you can’t pen anything

It’s PAINFUL watching a 1v1 between like a full HP medium and then line a 46 HP minotauro and the medium has no idea what to do

Just take an HE shell and jam it between the turret ring and youll do a little bit of damage that’s the best spot to always go for
Especially if the hull is bigger than the turret (mino’s is meant to fit perfectly) so on like an E-100 or maus hit the bottom of the turret so the HE splash hits the top side of the hull

[blissful cave]

It’s specifically why ONLY tier 5’s and 6’s have “reduced damage from 130mm+ explosives” in their equipment it’s only there just to secretly nerf KV-2

No other tiers have this in that same equipment slot

[thorny mulch]

Yup. When spall liner wasnt added the kv was a monster. Consistently 1 shotting type 62s and spahpanzers. Insane

[blissful cave]

130mm+ only affects KV-2 and SU-100Y I think
KV-1S 122mm is safe

[thorny mulch]

Perfectly acceptable

[junior pasture]

Being able to dish over 1000 damage under 15 seconds in tier 8 is wild, as a medium. Reducing clip time to 10 seconds is going to overbuff it.

[carmine vigil]

I’m thinking about selling these tanks, any tanks I should keep?: SU100Y, Decker Max, Tiger 131, BLIZ9000, IS2 1945, and Kunzer Panzer, Amx 13 57 and Auf Panzer, Magnate max

[junior pasture]

why sell premiums, u gain literally nothing from it. Tiger 131 is now a collector? Goddamn

[carmine vigil]

They’re all collectors

[keen shore]

It will reduce clip time to 12s once every other clip, not constant 10s. And even then, you can dish out 900 in 7s with Astron already and I do not see people complaining about it.

[junior pasture]

None are too good, magbe aufkl pz for fun modes for ramming but otherwise no real OP tanks in that list.

[junior pasture]

Astron sacrifices armor imo especially on the turret. U can gold through the thing although it is kinda troll.

[carmine vigil]

Even a max magnate?

[keen shore]

If the armor forces you to use gold then it is already half decent since it nerfs your DPM.

[junior pasture]

Magnate isnt too OP… i mean tier 6 and 7 isnt very influential and u dont gain much from playing there. Better spend the gold on t8s where u can earn more imo

[carmine vigil]

Yeah I agree I just wanna make sure to not sell any stronnnnng t7s

[junior pasture]

Nemesis is extremely hard to pen even with gold when hull down, possessing much better DPM with HESH. Both possess long reloads after dumping, what’s your point? Giving the Nemesis shell reload boost is just going to make it a flat better astron

[keen shore]

Collectors can be changed at any moment so any tank can basically get super strong overnight.

[keen shore]

It trades that better DPM for worse pen already, no? I feel like 7.5s reload is just way too long.

[junior pasture]

You’re generally only going to be fighting mediums and flanking. You’re not going to need pen

185mm pen

Sorry nemesis was 185 while astron was 200 this is nemesis up against 200

[keen shore]

So you are suggesting flanking.. with a heavium mobility...

[junior pasture]

You’re ignoring the fact that all mediums possess armor that can be penned with HESH? Which is what the nemesis mainly is going to fight? After butchering said mediums, it can then FLANK behind heavies it can proceed to rip out damage.

[keen shore]

❌

[junior pasture]

Now what vehicles are those? Ok thanks lme quickly check

[keen shore]

Tier 8 mediums, T-54 Mod 1 and Type 59. And it can butcher all those mediums only assuming they do not play hulldown or sidescrape, else it's HESH becomes rather useless rather quickly. Like what is the point of sacrificing intraclip, hp, accuracy and armor for a situational round if I can just play Emil 1951 that has less than half the intraclip at comparable damage with standard ammo?

[junior pasture]

Then dont use hesh. Pen with AP from a hulldown position. I see your point, but I don’t get by what you mean by armor. Nemesis is extremely hard to pen hulldown. Emil 1951 has imo obsolete armor. Turret armor is not the strongest, however it could be good in hands of a skilled player.

Also the clip reload is 16 seconds, so its also shorter than an astron. Back to your main argument, there’s really no point in giving it shell reload boost either. It’s already strong armor wise, dpm wise, and its js better than the astron and chimera imo

[keen shore]

Nemesis has a pretty sizable cupola, Emil 1951 does not. I dunno why people say Emil has weak armor when it can stand up to 248mm AP hull down.

[junior pasture]

Youre comparing a heavy to a medium. Look at astron and you’ll clearly see how broken the armor profile is

[valid gale]

Load gold and the problem becomes clear the huge turret is a downside

[keen shore]

I am comparing to a heavium, which nemesis is pretty close to with its acceleration and top speed. I heard a lot of nemesis players complain about long intraclip and I have observed it to perform worse in battle than Astron. Sadly, I do not own the Nemesis to form an opinion on it first hand, but given the characteristics and peformance I see I would rather keep driving Astron or Emil.

[keen shore]

If your enemy has to load gold to shoot you, you will live longer, and that means your armor does its job...

[blissful cave]

Ahh wargaming you almost got me, good one

https://tenor.com/view/good-one-mugman-gif-13469263371126319444

[junior pasture]

You’re comparing a heavium fighting heavies. Heavies tend to have better pen. Nemesis is more of a medium than a heavy while possessing higher class for class armor. How a vehicle performs is only up to the person playing it, however stats do play a big part (e.g. only skilled players own a t8 collector that just came up, meaning the wr will be 60%).

[humble condor]

I'd have slammed my head into the table if I got that blueball

[blissful cave]

This is the second time it’s done that to me

Third slot? AMERICAN FLAG COLLEC-oh it’s just you T26E5

[celest arch]

Does anyone think that WZ-113 tech tree need buff for amour?

[dusk flame]

Nemesis has been a lackluster since it was released. No way it was worth the 0.05% crate chance, like I have stated before.
7 sec reload, 17 sec clip reload after every 3 shots… that’s not competitive with any other mediums or anything in t8.
You are totally shredded by other mediums and heaviums, who can out-damage, out-run, out-maneuver you any day of the week.
And don’t get me started on the very selective HESH… it’s chance to hit where you aim isn’t much bigger than just totally hit something else and you end up with 120-ish dmg on someone’s tracks or something. - And then you wait 7 secs again, in which you probably are dead or close to it.

[thorny mulch]

Makes sense

[timber torrent]

Opinions on the ac atlas / jg pz e100 / ho ri

[tardy turtle]

Good/absolutely garbage/amazing

[timber torrent]

So which one should i grind?

[pure bronze]

Ho-Ri, the whole line is not really suffering

[timber torrent]

What does the tier X offer?

[pure bronze]

the tier X gives you the best penetration gun and high dpm gun though it’s not a hard punching 630+ alpha like other 152-155mm guns

[timber torrent]

What about the armour?

And what is the line like?

[pure bronze]

armour is enough for enemy to at least load golds or have to aim at the weakspot

the line from chi to spg to hori t1 is just camping with your accurate gun or do a light work at front line by standing behind your teammates Hori t2 has good front armour yet slow so just be careful

[timber torrent]

Aight thx

[wispy agate]

I had one doubt .
Can a play give me a VK 36.01 (H) ?
Like is it possible to give players tank?

[plucky summit]

You will have to play up the tech tree line to get the VK 36.01 (H)

Players can only gift a limited selection of premium/collector tanks, not tech tree tanks

[wispy agate]

😭😭🥀🥀

Thanks btw for the info

[thorny mulch]

Unlocked the beast

[keen shore]

Is it not just pretty much better batchat 25t?

[thorny mulch]

I have no idea i havent played the bc yet. But after playing the tvp my only complaints are the view range, the height of the tank & the gun dep off the back. But the Ap standard + the 1.5s intraclip feels broken

[carmine vigil]

mk 6 build?

[keen shore]

use cali for max hesh pen, otherwise it is a normal heavy

[carmine vigil]

Enhanced armor would be good for its turret armor no/

[keen shore]

Not really it would benefit from HP more.

[carmine vigil]

What are t10 heavies taht would use enchanted armor then

[keen shore]

I think the ones that really rely on sloped armor because that is what benefits from enhancing more.

[carmine vigil]

and we wouldnt consider mk6's turret sloped?

[deft linden]

GOOD TANK

[keen shore]

It is more like rounded, and already has good enough armor to tank most stuff you face.

[fickle dawn]

Did anyone that played the M103 have tips for limiting suffering?

[junior pasture]

Imo use cali for every tank, rammer just doesnt give u enough benefits tbh

[junior pasture]

mk’s turret is rounded if you look at it and you see the real hitbox

[junior pasture]

You have a massive turret with semi troll armor for standard rounds, but once someone loads gold it becomes butter. I played it as a semi-frontline heavy.

[thorny mulch]

Rammer works well on high dpm lights/med. if you also pair it with calibrated you shouldnt have issues with penning

[thorny mulch]

With the armor buffs it got hp takes precedence over enhanced armor. The cupola is stronger similar to the old t95e6 cupola

[wet sky]

Just realized that the WZ-120 stock and upgraded turret are literally the same, except the top turret has some attachments

[thorny mulch]

The gun model model for the 116 is also identical for both options

[wet sky]

I already know that, 114 1-4 stock gun is also the same as wz-120 second to top gun option

[thorny mulch]

I already know that

[junior pasture]

Pair what with cali?

[thorny mulch]

Mb i meant rect calibration

[fickle dawn]

Thank you

[tawny isle]

No

[lime obsidian]

guys, is this normal for a beginner player?

[tawny isle]

For big boss yeah

[lime obsidian]

and this for a normal battle?

[tawny isle]

Against bots yeah

[robust osprey]

how beginner are you?

[toxic geyser]

What should I do between the Chinese and Japanese TD?

[thorny mulch]

Ho ri. Youll thank me later

[robust osprey]

as one user here said: Ho-Ri is a point and click adventure game.

[toxic geyser]

OK thx, Chinese TD don't worth it?

[robust osprey]

it's good too. lots of armor.
but ho-ri just deletes the enemy tanks if played well.

[toxic geyser]

Yes I hear, he just pen everything and his dpm are very good.

[wraith depot]

Ho Ri is the best heavy tank in randoms

[toxic geyser]

Heavy? Ho ri is not an heavy.

[keen shore]

I guess he means playing it frontline like heavies.

[prisma lynx]

Is the indien panzer any good

[steep thistle]

a friend of mine sent me a screenshot of someone elses tank. i wanted to look that tank up but found nothing. is this a unreleased tank?

[blissful cave]

Yes unreleased tank in testing

[steep thistle]

how could he get it?

[blissful cave]

Some people have testing privileges and are given tanks early to test them in real battles

Idk how to get these testing privileges though

[steep thistle]

ah i see, thanks for the reply though

[blissful cave]

There aren’t many unreleased tanks though so it should be coming somewhat soon I think

[fast swan]

Is anyone around atm that is able to discuss something with me in regards to the upcoming changes?

[dim shard]

Is there any reason you're saying this instead of just putting your questions/worries/confusion about the upcoming changes in this channel or wherever? #news-discussion is probably your best solution

[thorny mulch]

If you havnt done already cast your vote in #coming-soon

[steep jacinth]

its a tier 8 is 4 (before nerf)

[thorny mulch]

Youll find playing mobile tds with powerful guns more enjoyable

[twin crest]

The marks are very cool and such, but I have one major criticism. Hide the fing marks from the enemy team. It seems to turn you into a massive SHOOT THIS GUY, HES GOOD IN THIS TANK type of thing

I just got my first one in my CS-44 and it seems that everybody will drop what they're doing to shoot the guy in the marked tank

[dim shard]

Your marks are only visible to the enemy team by looking at your barrel. If they do in fact see your barrel so visibly that they noticed you having marks, they were most likely already planning on attacking you.

[lofty shore]

[dapper whale]

how good or bad is 116-f3 tank now

[whole niche]

When will the BZT 70 be added

[vernal spear]

Hello guys, quick question: which tank is better between t62a and obj 140?

[cerulean delta]

Is it worth buying the 116f3 for 15k gold?

[fleet minnow]

considering its meta, yeah.

[tawny isle]

Yes

[cerulean delta]

Ok thx

[blissful cave]

Yes
I’m genuinely surprised they’re already selling 116 at minimum price (t10’s don’t go lower than 15k unless it’s some special sale event like Black Friday)

[thorny mulch]

I just looked at the wr of it. Super duper high

[fleet minnow]

I mean its always 15k with nothing else then 17500 when it has camo and boosters and stuff

[blissful cave]

I got a mark on it when it was still insanely broken and the mark bar was super high :)

They removed all its HP buffs tho (no sandbags and reactive)

Tank was broken you could pretty much just play a little recklessly since with a full clip and reactive on you’ll easily out trade anything

[thorny mulch]

Yeah that on top of the turret armor buff. It was a beast

[blissful cave]

https://preview.redd.it/history-the-bz-heavy-tanks-v0-55d4b3lxgryc1.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=1e78d997fb71f047a2a2dbe76a8068f0ebecfabb

WZ-122-6 goes crazy
(Idk why they changed it to 116F3 but sure whatever)

[dim shard]

I would like to put out my apology to every ISU-130 players I've offended in the past, the tank is absolutely amazing I did not realise the potential of the premium AP I'm sorry.

[fleet minnow]

yeah its kinda ridiculous

[thorn nimbus]

T62A by far

[vast plume]

How do you guys properly use the 116-F3? You know what? I got this tank due to me being stuck on missions when they force you to play chinese heavies. I have no heavy chinese tank. All lower tiers They all sucked (jk, im a bad player).

[wicked breach]

I pity the fool that'd buy the Ji-Ro for $50 when the Jagtiger is less than $10 with a week of premium and 5 boxes

[wicked breach]

I still don't really know. I always see people using the autoreloader, I find the standard gun more fun. It feels like it wants to be treated like a super heavy while also feeling like it has no armor. Weird situation to me

[thorny mulch]

Yeah still better than gambling in crates. Its actually really fun to play in burning games. The dpm is through the roof at tier 8

[wicked breach]

I'm sure it's really fun, but the difference 44 dpm between it and the Jagtiger 8.8 isn't $40 worth, and that's with it's gold AP

[thorny mulch]

Yeah at the end of the day you can fall to wgs greed or not

[crude ivy]

The exhaust pipes look strange 🧐

[blissful cave]

Because in pc they have this rocket boost mechanic that isn’t in this game but the model still keeps the rocket boosters

But I guess they’re there in case they ever add it

[crude ivy]

Oh, interesting ....thx

[blissful cave]

Idk it’d be cool if they eventually added the rocket boost mechanic, maybe when they add that BZ-79 or whatever the tier 11 is called

[plucky summit]

I find it easy to implement. I guess the real issue is coding the consumable limit, since every other part of the mechanic is already implemented in some way

[junior pasture]

How do you play the 113g ft

[blissful cave]

When you block 4000 potential damage that could’ve been shot at your teammates and they still do absolutely nothing 🙃 that would’ve been enough to kill two tanks

[junior pasture]

Same as dealing 7k just for your team to sell.

[blissful cave]

Yeah true when you do more than the entire rest of the team combined 💀

[junior pasture]

I’ve had 4 people do 0 damage and the other 2 combined for less than 500. This was in tier X by the way.

[blissful cave]

If you include my Type 5 Heavy HP too that’s 6800 damage i took

[junior pasture]

XD

[keen shore]

You basically got to use prammo AP as your standard ammo and standard AP as prammo.

[delicate abyss]

h e l p

pls buff object 268/4 armor, the bottom is thicker than the top

[blissful cave]

I don’t think the engine decks are supposed to be that armored ‘,:/

[blissful cave]

full HP ammo racks should not be a thing

The first shot fired at me in a game instant ammo rack wow that’ll be great for my mark %🙃

-4.48%

[blissful cave]

I think the way to balance it would be a two step system you can’t just be instantly ammo racked
You get your ammo rack damaged first and then only if you have a damaged ammo rack then it has a chance to explode when hit

[atomic raft]

#buff 907s mobility or turret armor
Day 1

[kindred wren]

Well technically that system is already in place. In fact, for some guns, it might even take three or more shots to ammorack a tank

So what you are asking is really just a question of module damage and module health balance

[pliant path]

It's not automatic. If a shell pens the ammo rack needs to be in the right position and close enough for the shell to reach it. If it does reach the rack it still only has a 25% chance of doing any damage. And the ammo rack has it's on HP pool, so the shell has to do enough damage to bring the rack's HP to zero.

The RNGremlins really weren't on your side in that battle. You were killed by a golden bb. That's not fun for anyone.

[blissful cave]

I think there should be some sort of balance barrier that prevents one shot ammo racks🙃
damages, then another shot to detonate it

[fervent heart]

I wholeheartedly agree. Yeah, it may be funny for the giving end, but it's so unfair and annoying for the receiving end. The fact that it's almost all RNG makes this worse.

[fervent briar]

Is this a blast door?

[thorny mulch]

I thought that was where the shell ejected

[subtle osprey]

Sad but true

[blissful cave]

IS-8! The same tank I was playing💀

Maybe this is a problem with JUST IS-8 then because this always happens to me in IS-8
Buff IS-8’s ammo rack

[subtle osprey]

It’s known for being relatively easier to ammo rack than a lot of tanks, but I think that’s just because of the placement. You tend to get shot in those upper plates a bunch

[blissful cave]

People always joke about 60TP and IS-7 but I don’t really have any issues with ammo rack in them
IS-8 though…

Projekt Kpz 70P I get ammo rack crit constantly but never ammo rack explosions so that’s not that bad

[subtle osprey]

I haven’t had many ammo rack issues EXCEPT for the SP2 and that one T10 Soviet collector with the II in its name, forget what it’s called

[sullen abyss]

777

[delicate abyss]

pls buff object 268/4 armor, the bottom is thicker than the top

[mild axle]

Lad it was made like that so you can penetrate it and not just fave hug it and no be able to go through it

[hot tendon]

Buff the 50B give it a 15 second reload

[oak abyss]

I really hope WG doesn't put EK1 in Tier X. I love it at Tier IX, and, in all honesty, not that many people play it compared to tech trees.

[thorny mulch]

Im okay with that ngl

[rain phoenix]

THAT thing DOES NOT need a buff

[worthy cobalt]

✅ elquapoxr has been warned.

[plucky summit]

There is the cupola though tbf

[junior pasture]

Imagine your a person tryna grind the m48 patton line. You are in a Pershing with around 220 alpha. Enemy team has an erich. You hit him for 220, he slams a 500 shell into you. Now, pretend you’re a new player, or someone who has never seen an erich before. You think to yourself. If it has big alpha, then it must have long reload. You push, get nuked for 1000 hitpoints in total. Your game is now ruined. You have 400 health left. Basically a oneshot to any tank in your tier. That’s literally the definition of toxic to new players and will 100% drive them away

[pure bronze]

pretty cringe when you face it against as a tier 8

[snow spoke]

Gave it 10 sec reload

[blissful cave]

please give SHPTK TVP more gun depression

6° on a tall hull tank is absolutely horrendous

[wind wolf]

Yeah

[pure bronze]

heavily agreed

[normal mulch]

Should I play the T28 Prot as a standard TD or a frontline heavy?

[blissful cave]

I’d assume it’s just a heavy tank

Like T30 and T110E4

[stone bronze]

should I use vertical stabilizer or suspension on the Type 71?

thanks

[pure bronze]

shall we suggest increasing the alpha too? it’s pretty low for what it offers to a t8 tank destroyer

[blissful cave]

It’s a 100mm so it kinda has to be like that

[pure bronze]

I mean we have T-54 cannon that hits 330 so

[timber torrent]

Should i get the Ho-Ri?

[half plaza]

Hey, A newbie here. Should I sell my Stridsvagn K to restore my Tornvagn? I'm using one of them to grind credits, and having a potential to be very fun to use in fun modes like mad games or big boss. So should I sell the Stridsvagn K?

[thorny mulch]

Imo the tornvagn is most fun in random battles where you can bully the enemy. I wouldnt recommend selling the strv k though.

[thorny mulch]

If you like a powerful gun and big pen yeh

You also have good old reactive

[glad prairie]

Sell it and gamble

[barren patrol]

Fv215B is goated fr

[rugged quest]

Buff obj 252u lower plate now it's getting left behind and buff alpha like WOT

[lament apex]

Hey dat workz pretty well
I'm not doing much dmg but tanking alot and my teammate can freely shoot

[lament apex]

It already have higher alpha than most of heavies
More like give it slightly better reload time because 1700 dpm isn't enough for tier 8

[oak abyss]

Bro, did you just quote HE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED word for word???

Just joking of course, The Driddler's vids are the best on YT.

[junior pasture]

i just finished watching that video lmao, ik what he did, but I watch him for educational content. He’s a 70%er for a reason, although he is quite toxic XD

[junior pasture]

Both suck at grinding credits imo, if you want maximum credit efficiency, get yourself a t8 prem/collector that you enjoy, put on credit boosters and hop in a fun mode that allows you to tons of damage (big-boss, burning games, etc.)

[normal forge]

The reason being only playing in platoon

[blissful cave]

Tornvagn was a tier 8 tho so doesnt it keep its tier 8 credit coefficient

[junior pasture]

Pretty sure it doesn’t work that way, I may be wrong 🤷. As for the diddler comment, his gameplay is nice, his streams also showcase good skill. He averages 4k when marking tanks which is something I can’t do, so I’m just trying to learn. @blissful cave @normal forge

[blissful cave]

I pretty sure that’s how it does? They don’t take it away at all, they didn’t remove it when it became a collector so why would they lower it after a tier change

I can’t fact check that I just tried looking at blitzkit and it doesn’t say on there

I was going to compare it to a tier 8 premium that released around the same time and then a tier 9 that used to be a premium for the most fair comparison

[karmic gale]

irl the tiger 1 was an amazing tank so why in this game is it terrible? it barley has any amour and does 190-210 damage in one shot

[normal forge]

The tiger1 is good in wotb

Besides that, realism and real life performance doesnt matter in this game or most other games

[valid gale]

It’s a 88 mm and that’s average damage for this caliber
It used to have accurate armor but this made it paper to every tank it has been greatly buffed ever since

[blissful cave]

For a better Tiger experience use either the 131 in tier 6 or the frontline in tier 7

[rain phoenix]

tiger 1 is perfectly fine and 131 is just a paper thin no armor version of it

[blissful cave]

Armor wise yeah it’s worse but fighting tier 6’s as 131 I think is better than fighting 7’s in tiger 1

The 8.8 is way better there

[violet timber]

The Tiger 1 was okay irl, and in game its fighting tanks that were made to fight it instead of Sherman 75s and T-34-76s

[rain phoenix]

i really like tiger one and i had the best stats on it in the e100 line. the 131 is easy to ammo rack (i got ammo racked 3 matches in a row and i sold it)

[blissful cave]

Yeah true realistically it’d be fighting tier 5’s and 6’s in tier 7 it’s going up against T29’s, IS-2’s and even some early Cold War tanks

[rain phoenix]

did you ANGLE today?

[violet timber]

???

[rain phoenix]

its literally impenetrable if you go 45 degrees at any tier 7 tank

[violet timber]

Its not, and that also doesn't relate to anything I said

[blissful cave]

And whatever made up stuff WG decides to add like the tier 7 Semovente and CS-52

[karmic gale]

did you not read what i said?

[karmic gale]

OK IRL? there wasn’t a lot of them because germany ran out of oil thats it

[normal forge]

You wrote its “terrible” which it just isnt, case closed

[karmic gale]

why is tiger 131 a tier lower it’s literally just a normal tiger 1

[violet timber]

It’s not because they ran out of oil, they developed new tanks that they believed would help them win the war better and started spending the steel to make those instead

[karmic gale]

its not only because the oil problem but thats about half the problem, yes they were making new tanks but the tiger II was not better by a lot and only 2 mauses were made and they were both prototypes

[violet timber]

The tiger 2 was better by a lot lol

[karmic gale]

it should be a tier 6 tank not a tier 7

[normal forge]

Thankfully you arent part of the balancing team

[karmic gale]

only in wotb not really irl it had the same flak 88 gun and not that much thicker armour

[karmic gale]

yeah because wanting a reasonable amount of damage is just terrible why dont you ban me at this point

[violet timber]

Tiger 2 had the long 88 which was far better than the short 88 and by far thicker armor, 50% more on the front hull, and that's not even including angling

[normal forge]

How much damage do you want a tiger to deal in one shot

[karmic gale]

250-275 is good for a tier 7 that sometimes is against tier 8s

[normal forge]

Pretty sure its just bad ragebait if I’m being honest

[karmic gale]

the KV-3 is better on so many levels

[violet timber]

The Tiger 1 plants were swapped over to the Tiger 2 as soon as the Tiger 2 was ready to be put into production as well, so no, it was not a lack of oil that caused Germany to stop producing the Tiger 1

[karmic gale]

i said that was part of it

[normal forge]

Okay so it IS bad ragebait.

[violet timber]

Except the oil wasn't any of it

[karmic gale]

i didn’t say the KV-3 was perfect i said it was better

[violet timber]

KV-3 has higher alpha, HP, and better armor in some areas. It is worse in every other category compared to the Tiger 1

[normal forge]

@violet timber thats pointless 🥀

[karmic gale]

did you forget the KV-3 can do up to 400+ damage in one shot?

[violet timber]

That's what alpha is...

[normal forge]

😭

[karmic gale]

ok except it can do 250+ damage in one shot and takes 2 extra seconds to reload

[violet timber]

2 extra seconds? With what, magic? It takes 7.3 extra seconds, meaning the Tiger 1 gets 2 shots in for every 1 the KV-3 gets

[karmic gale]

theres more than one gun for the KV-3

[violet timber]

The 107 still takes an extra 3.4 seconds over the Tiger 1 lol

[karmic gale]

im talking about the 8.6 second gun

[violet timber]

The 100? That's unused because its outclassed by the 107

Here's the comparison

[normal forge]

Clearly the kv3 is superior

[violet timber]

What does this have to do with anything I said?

[normal forge]

He plays kv3 without equipment, prammo and provisions

[karmic gale]

the KV-3 is so much better

[violet timber]

@karmic gale So you're trolling

[karmic gale]

lemme get that rq

[normal forge]

You notice NOW????

[violet timber]

I thought he was just bad before, now I know he's bad and trolling

[karmic gale]

go to dms so no cooldowns

[violet timber]

Nah, we can talk in here. The cooldown gives you time to think, which I think you need

[normal forge]

You just made me laugh a bit, thank you

[karmic gale]

more damage:kv3
more hp:kv3

[violet timber]

More dpm: Tiger 1
More accuracy: Tiger 1
More mobility: Tiger 1

[normal forge]

@karmic gale whats your ign

[karmic gale]

8.6 second reload time with 280+ damage and 1600hp is what i care about

[violet timber]

So you care about things that help cover for mistakes rather than things that help you perform at a higher level

[karmic gale]

th is a ign?

[normal forge]

Ah, general_banana2847

[violet timber]

You're for sure under 1k games

[karmic gale]

i never said it was my first account

[normal forge]

950 🗣️

[karmic gale]

again its not my first account

[violet timber]

If it isn't that's worse tbh, because it means you aren't exactly new and still hold these opinions

[karmic gale]

the KV-3 gun is still pretty accurate most of the time

[violet timber]

It's really not, and the Tiger gun blows it out of the water in terms of accuracy, its not even close

[karmic gale]

so then just go close especially when your against tier 6s

[normal forge]

Well yes. Your first account Player_9962690181 has only 1092 games played as well. Aka you have ever experienced the normal matchmaker

[karmic gale]

whats your ign

[karmic gale]

wait how did u find that omg

[violet timber]

I can tell exactly what's happened with you, and its not even you're fault, it happens to everyone. You fought bots till tier 7, learned bad habits, then started fighting real players, got curb stomped in the tiger 1 because it requires a bit of skill, so you go to a tank that covers for your mistakes better

[normal forge]

😭

[karmic gale]

i thought every tier had a ton of bots

[violet timber]

It doesn't matter

[karmic gale]

that account is from a long time ago

[normal forge]

Sooooo?

[karmic gale]

so i forgot the name

[karmic gale]

dude please tell me how you found it that was my last account i wanna see my first one

[junior pasture]

Bots end at 1000 battles, but they end if u go to tier 8+

[violet timber]

bots end at ~500 battles, but can still appear if there aren't enough real players in queue for players below 5.5k battles

[karmic gale]

KV-3, just felt like showing it

[junior pasture]

No prammo or HE. Get some, it will help.

[rugged quest]

Buff obj 252u lower plate and alpha like WOT

[thorny mulch]

They could be saving credits but i dunno for sure

[violet timber]

Saving credits at 3.5 mil?

[thorny mulch]

3.5 mil isnt a lot

[violet timber]

For a new account it’s a decent amount

[blissful cave]

HE is free

Also this is why I see players trying to fight a heavy they can’t pen that has like 23hp left and a single HE splash damage hit to the turret ring would kill it but just die

[jaunty rock]

[timber torrent]

Im still choosing between maus and ac atlas. Which one should i get? I have 7k battles and 55.00% wr

[tardy turtle]

Load premium ammo and high explosive

[fallen zinc]

AC, 2 guns to choose from

[cosmic gust]

Atlas better atm

[glad prairie]

Ac is more capable, so I would go for it and play it with single shot gun

[timber torrent]

Aight good thing i have the tier 8 unlocked... The only problem is that im kinda low on credits

[glad prairie]

Just play some collectible or premium tanks in fun modes

[karmic gale]

HE is only good for the SU-152

[tardy turtle]

No? That's extremely faulty logic

[marsh grove]

HE is good for Gun besides small caliber Autocannons

You can deal splash damage against low HP targets to kill them without the cons of Non pens/Ricochets with HEAT/APCR/AP

You can also use HE against certain tanks, Especially if they show their Rear or Sides

But judging from this, it would seem that you just don't know how to utilize HE properly except for big derp cannons.

[karmic gale]

i just used it for the KV-2 its terrible does it do good with the Su-100

[marsh grove]

?????
Yes??

[pure bronze]

bringing HE shells even if they only pen 50mm because you can inflict more damage to paper thin targets also splash damage to low health targets too unless you have HE pen of 20mm then maybe you don’t need to bring them

[marsh grove]

HE is free

[pure bronze]

true,keep them a few for uses

[pure bronze]

shhh he is a British main in War Thunder 🤯 so he loaded full standards

[grave heart]

lol

[solid gate]

Is the t49 fearless any different of the normal one?

[cyan girder]

Lion and collecter tier 8 sdp are very easy to ace

[icy robin]

just the camo, its kinda like how the IS-6 and IS-6 fearless are

[solid gate]

Thanks man, a part of that is there is a vehicle that really different in this collection?

[icy robin]

i dont think so they seem to pretty much have the same stats

[karmic gale]

pretty sure the KV-3 is better…..

[violet timber]

Oh wow, a single video of you facing a bad player in the tiger 1 proves everything! You know you would’ve killed him faster if you were in the tiger, right?

[karmic gale]

100+ more damage and 2 extra second reload and more hp and FAR superior armor, your just dead wrong

[violet timber]

Tiger has more dpm meaning if you’re firing on reload you kill faster, so no, I am correct. And the armor isn’t far superior, they’re relatively equal

Like I said before, you just look for stats that cover for your lack of skill instead of stats that let you perform at a higher level because you’re a new player and it’s easier to perform in tanks like that

[karmic gale]

whats your ign

[violet timber]

As I said before, it doesn’t matter

[karmic gale]

yes it does

[violet timber]

My ign has no impact on the stats of the tiger or kv-3

[karmic gale]

yes it does to see if your good in those tanks

[violet timber]

My ability to play those tanks has no impact on their stats

[karmic gale]

yes it does because one would be better

[karmic gale]

im bad? you wont even let me see your stats

[violet timber]

If you look at the stats, the tiger is better

[violet timber]

Yes, your opinion and takes on this matter show that you lack skill

[karmic gale]

i lack skill? you STILL wont show your stats

[violet timber]

I don’t have to, I’ve proven that the tiger 1 is better already

[karmic gale]

is it because your bad?

[violet timber]

Not at all, but you’re free to your own opinion, baseless as it is

[karmic gale]

yeah your win rate is definitely below 50%

[violet timber]

🥱

[karmic gale]

proof:trust me bro

[violet timber]

Yes, that is all your proof is lol

[normal forge]

Killing an actual bot proves a lot

[karmic gale]

proof hes a bot:trust me bro

[violet timber]

this is who you killed btw

[karmic gale]

even if he was a bot the KV-3 does more damage and takes 2 extra seconds to reload

[violet timber]

And yet still has less dpm

[normal forge]

14 survival goes hard

[blissful cave]

What are you guys arguing about?

[karmic gale]

ykw we should 1v1 the first one to win 5 times wins

[violet timber]

@karmic gale believes the kv-3 is better than the tiger 1

[normal forge]

Generalbanana is convinced kv3 is better than tiger1 and at that completely ignores facts

[karmic gale]

yo @violet timber

[violet timber]

I gave up seal clubbing years ago, sorry

[karmic gale]

whats wrong are you scared youll lose?

[normal forge]

😭😭😭

[violet timber]

I know I'll win, I have nothing to prove lol

[karmic gale]

than lets do it

[violet timber]

Reading comprehension issue?

[karmic gale]

same tier lil bro

[violet timber]

Oh no, he called me lil bro, what will I ever do? Oh, yeah that's right, not look for online validation after I get called out

[blissful cave]

I’m pretty sure Tiger 1 is better than KV-3💀

[normal forge]

Your ego is hurt now

[karmic gale]

its not but okay

[violet timber]

💀

[karmic gale]

and we dont know how good or bad the people playing those are

[violet timber]

Law of large numbers buddy

[blissful cave]

Tiger frontline it’s not even a question

[karmic gale]

yeah so why dont you look at the tiger frontline

[blissful cave]

Arguing KV-3 is better because you actually think it’s a stronger tank or just because you really like KV-3?

[violet timber]

Its not one of the two tanks that we're comparing??? Hello?

[karmic gale]

i used to be a tiger (P) player they nerfed it horribly

[blissful cave]

Because I can admit when a tank I like is really bad
Like T95E2 and Lansen

[violet timber]

It has more hp and more alpha (things that help cover for mistakes)

[blissful cave]

Doesn’t always mean better
There’s plenty of really bad high alpha tanks

[karmic gale]

2 extra second reload time 95% of the time doesn’t really matter

[violet timber]

Doesn’t change the fact that Tiger still has more dpm

[karmic gale]

by the time the tiger catches up it’s already destroyed

[violet timber]

???

[blissful cave]

Change your pfp to KV-3

[karmic gale]

ok bet

[violet timber]

Genuinely what are you trying to say here, this doesn't make sense

[normal forge]

Bad player, bad ragebait

[blissful cave]

Grinding marks on ShPTK and ngl this tank is pretty good but it NEEDS more gun depression and why does it have heavy-like mobility for a paper TD

[karmic gale]

kv-3 does more damage in one shot but the tiger has more dpm so it would take longer to actually do more

[normal forge]

@karmic gale how old are you, if you dont mind

[blissful cave]

Hdhdhchbsgdj what

[karmic gale]

14, that has nothing to do with anything but 14

[violet timber]

That's... not really how it works when considering the alpha and dpm difference here

[blissful cave]

Take longer to do more? Blud it’s the same time it’s how much damage they do in a minute

[robust inlet]

Yo, i lowkey started out on wotb with the E100 lane, is it any decent?

[normal forge]

Ah figured.

[karmic gale]

tiger II and E-75 are good tiger I is decent

[violet timber]

Tiger gets 4 shots in before the KV-3 can get 3 shots in, meaning it catches up far before it dies lmao

[blissful cave]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-skull-skull-skull-spinning-spin-spinning-gif-9100477621967381038

[karmic gale]

KV-3 has way better armor and more hp

[violet timber]

Armor is relatively equal and kv-3 gets 100 more hp which is situational at best

[blissful cave]

Which Tiger would more than make up for with an extra shot

[karmic gale]

situational is still something

[violet timber]

Sure, but tiger dpm balances that out, and the tiger is far more mobile with way better accuracy, meaning the KV-3s advantages are cancelled out by other aspects of the Tiger 1, and the Tiger 1 still has more advantages on top of that

[blissful cave]

Maybe it’s because I can’t run fuel since I need to put spall liner there but does that make a huge difference?
PTK’s mobility is alright when you’re driving in a straight line

[karmic gale]

the KV-3 isn’t really inaccurate

[violet timber]

It really is

[karmic gale]

all tanks sometimes have shots that are insanely inaccurate

[blissful cave]

But the small mini adjustments moving forward backing up rotating moving to a close position it’s got pretty bad mobility
For what is essentially a medium tank with a paper turret

[violet timber]

That’s rng, but the tiger is affected way less than the kv-3 is

[karmic gale]

so then just go up close

[violet timber]

And lose all armor effectiveness with no way out because you lack mobility, genius

[karmic gale]

your acting like the KV-3 has bad armor when its the opposite

[violet timber]

Its armor is not great for its lack of mobility and gun stats lol

[karmic gale]

KV-3 isn’t that slow, im not saying its fast or anything but theres many slower tanks

[violet timber]

Brother the KV-3 is extremely slow, what are you even saying?

[karmic gale]

GUN STATS ARE GOOD

[violet timber]

It has alpha and that’s it, the rest of the gun is just bad aside from the dpm which is okay at best

[karmic gale]

have you upgraded the tracks or engine?

[blissful cave]

Should I buy back KV-3 and take it out for few games to see what were exactly dealing with here?

[karmic gale]

yeah but upgrade it

[violet timber]

Here's KV-3's mobility compared to other tier 7 heavies, a tier not known for having fast heavies. As you can see, its towards the bottom in every single category

[blissful cave]

Yea ik I got the whole line fully completed ofc and I’d run optimal equipment
Basically play it in the best state possible

[karmic gale]

after you upgrade the KV-4 is it good? because the stock one is horrible

[violet timber]

KV-4 is mediocre

[blissful cave]

Any tank stock is always bad

[karmic gale]

ST-1?

[violet timber]

Bad

[karmic gale]

IS-4?

[blissful cave]

Good :) I like IS-4

[violet timber]

Good

[karmic gale]

yay thx

[blissful cave]

Alright fully equipped let’s see what we got

Heh Tiger 1 on the other team, hope I run into him

Istfg it’s canyon

Dang, not bad at all
But this was a tier 6 game so

[karmic gale]

okay……

[karmic gale]

have you never played the AC wedge or churchill 1 before?

AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[sour blade]

Bruh ?

[karmic gale]

you know its a joke right?

[karmic gale]

how are the next ones going?

[sour blade]

SMILE Now

[blissful cave]

Now a tier 8 game
AND ITS CASTILLA MOTHERER

[karmic gale]

yeah your cooked

[blissful cave]

They gave me the two worst maps in a row

[karmic gale]

pray there isn’t a tiger 2 or kv4 on the other team

[blissful cave]

Tier 7 in all tier 8 game Castilla as a heavy
0 damage

[karmic gale]

horrible map and higher tier tanks what can you expect

[blissful cave]

Yeah I’m not even gonna count that whatsoever

[karmic gale]

good idea

[blissful cave]

Mines seriously?

[karmic gale]

this game is actually rigged

[blissful cave]

Dang KV-3 is actually WAY better than I thought
As long as you’re not going against 8’s because every tier 7 is really bad against 8’s (imo the biggest strength gap between tiers)
And against 6/7’s armor actually REALLY works well

[karmic gale]

yo @violet timber

[blissful cave]

BUT
you’ll never believe how this game ended
Got absolutely ruined by a Tiger in a final 1v1

[karmic gale]

how much hp did you have

[blissful cave]

Both almost full but tiger 1’s troll armor saved it
That sideskirt line always absorbs shells and skimmed the cupola

[karmic gale]

can you go to dms so no cooldowns

actually nvm

[blissful cave]

Ok thoughts so far is KV-3 is way better than I originally thought BUT I still gotta give it to Tiger 1 that out of the two tanks alone tigers a bit better

[blissful cave]

I’ll need to see how it goes against 8’s in a more fair match (not Castilla)

I did also only play like 4 games in it so not enough to really fairly judge it

[karmic gale]

the only way a tiger could be better is if its constantly turning otherwise a KV-3 would destroy it