vehicles-discussion

[blissful cave]

I finally got to see mirage but didn’t even get to explore any of it because the entire team rushed medium side where it was me and one other tank and died immediately 🙂👍

[violet timber]

You could just hop in a training room if you want to explore

[clear raft]

Yuh

[formal shadow]

get consumables, provisions, and armor piercing shells, also HE only does more damage when it penetrates, or hits ammo rack. thats rare because they dont have high penetration capacity. as for armor, yes leopard 1, like all other heavies, has good armour, however it doesnt have armor everywhere, i suggest you take a look at your tank's high armor areas and then position yourself effectively in battle. for example, i use the tiger 2, and since its frontal armor is very good, i always look at my enemies face to face to make maximum usage. hope this helps

[dry notch]

I’m only buying one…. FV4202 or Prject Murat. What one should i choose

[formal shadow]

fv4202

[violet timber]

Murat

[formal shadow]

okay

[lost pebble]

both mdr

around 600

you know t10 heavy average

but in my opinion he's more like a E100 canon very high alpha damage

possibility of higher critical shot for sure

[prime bobcat]

Is Wt Ritter rare?

[violet timber]

910/1200/1350

[lost pebble]

to much i think honestly maybe it's not balanced yet i dunno

[violet timber]

That’s how the tank is meant to be

[lost pebble]

if you want to see other prototype tank go on his acount Broken_Guy

[violet timber]

I don’t really care tbh

[hallow wagon]

why does the BZ-68 have the worst gun in the game fr?

[terse wren]

Why did wargaming even release the "rebalanced" Is-5, when its just trash now, because of one bug.

Gold shells having less penetration than standard armor? The heck we are even talking about? I cant play it because every tank with armor will just obliterate me, cuz i dont have enough penetration to even deal damage to him.

Stallinium just got trashed, because of a bug that is not fixed for like a week or two

This gives me brain damage.

[terse wren]

Leopard 1 is not a heavy 😭
This answer looks like written by Chat GPT

Leopard 1 has troll armor on the gun mountlet, thats all, because its an light/medium tank (serves as both)

Im sad that i have to realise, that not even one new player watches some tutorials on youtube to even have some basic knowledge about the game mechanics

[trail orchid]

Is there a new Chinese tier x collector tank in testing just now as I have seen a tank I think it's BZA-70 or something anyone else seen this

[terse wren]

I guess that i saw something, that its going to be a tech tree tank, but i have to check

[trail orchid]

Deffo had the blue x of a collector tank I have seen it in 2 battles but can't find it on tankopedia or anything like that

[terse wren]

Well not bzt is going to be an next tech tree tank, but some another polish tanks

Bzt is probably gonna be some chieftain proto event mk.2

[trail orchid]

Deffo was either TZA-70 or BZA-70

[terse wren]

Im just typing it wrong, dont mind

[south siren]

Just curious will the Maus-Tiger be added to blitz seeing as it’s on one of the loading screens

[thorny smelt]

They said on later days of this month. I dunno. Another pay to win prize tank.

[lyric heron]

Which?

[craggy basalt]

honestly I don't have those tanks so I have no clue but in my opinion look at each of their stats and see which one fits you better

[terse wren]

Action X is the best of them all

[lyric oriole]

I'd argue Keiler is better

Action X isn't terrible but the weaknesses it has are glaring

Most notably with the 190 alpha making trade situations an absolute nightmare especially where other vehicles will be doing normally 310+ damage on those trades

[glacial laurel]

Hey, is there any way to find out how often you can buy Fury in the Blitz store? The last two times I found out too late and couldn't buy it.

[near imp]

It’s a side farmer. Works good with a platoon mate where you can rush and just free farm sides.

[formal shadow]

Well now you know because it was not written by chatgpt because my dumb ahh thought leopard was a heavy

[worn sedge]

Hello i have few premium tank

1. t34 tier 8
2. M6 exp
3. 130pm
   4.badger
   5.super conq
   6.concept 1b
4. Strv k
5. Lowe
   I want farm credit. Can you order it by the highest credit

[pliant path]

The Lowe has the highest credit coefficient on the list but the best one to farm credits will be the one you do best in. GuidesBlitz.com has articles giving a list of good credit earners and a guide on how to pick a good ones.
https://guidesblitz.com/credit-grinding-tanks-list/

[prime bobcat]

How does TL-7-120 compare in current meta?

[lost pebble]

look at the Broken_Guy acount on the game he has many new tank unappeared yet on testing

[trail orchid]

Thanks will do

[modern gust]

@lyric oriole your name is familiar. Are you perhaps from MAHO in the past?

[lyric oriole]

You mean MAHOU? No but long long ago I used to talk with their members quite a bit

[modern gust]

Ohhhh. Then I wonder why your name is familiar

[lyric oriole]

I mean like I said I talked to their members pretty frequently back in the day so if you maybe misremember the clan name a bit that's probably why

[shell robin]

So it's been a while since I've been on wotb, so maybe the opinion has changed.

What's the consensus on giving the STB-1 and Type 71 hydro-pneumatic suspension?

[sleek apex]

Model kits, I think of getting a Japanese tank kit but aside from the dated Tamiya Chi-ha they’re pricey compared to others, might go for a semovente 40 or Panther

[fleet berry]

harington_top was banned.

[formal shadow]

panther 🙏

[peak ruin]

yo guys grille 15 or leo 1?

[formal shadow]

grille imo
very fun td from what ive heard

[peak ruin]

i alr have researched both idk what to buy

[formal shadow]

grille , but get second opinion

[peak ruin]

okayy

but in your opinion, whats the best t10 german tank @formal shadow

[formal shadow]

e100

[peak ruin]

e100 better than grillew

[formal shadow]

you cant really compare lol, e100 is a superheavy and grille is a tank destroyer

[peak ruin]

yeah it depends on my playstyle, i like to play with td and meds so which i buy in your opinion

[formal shadow]

prolly a td, most of them are decently fast with comfortable guns

[sleek apex]

Yeah I think I’d go with it, gonna be making hand made zimmerit on it

First I’ll look for a good unit to base it on first

[formal shadow]

nice

[peak ruin]

well idk bro, i rlly dont know leo 1 or grille

[formal shadow]

grille has more pen and alpha dmg

[peak ruin]

i will go with grille

[formal shadow]

🔥

[thin jewel]

LOL

[modern gust]

Tbh both your tank options are high ceiling level. They're glass cannons with different playstyles. Even as a veteran I struggle to win matches in these tanks

[formal shadow]

how good is the panther m/10 for its tier?

[wary summit]

Powercrept, comparable to its kind in tier 6 unfortunately

[formal shadow]

😦

[blissful cave]

Was Kran’s accuracy always this bad?

[formal shadow]

it has always been on the bad side

[blissful cave]

I’m just gonna go ahead and say Churchill VIII is insanely broken it’s so fun

And it’s so good that this is only class 1

With the Kolobanov medal too (3v1)

[violet timber]

E50M is by far the best German tier 10

[gaunt mountain]

rhm pzw trust

[shell robin]

I must be the big dum dum minority who would dare say jageroo

[solar mist]

How is it possible that a Type 68 in reverse goes as fast as an amx 13 90 full speed ahead?!? This is not supposed to happen

[shell robin]

Dunno

[tacit rapids]

So AMX 13 90 moves 15kmph forward?

[vapid sleet]

<@&481447501690568709>

[worldly knot]

I don’t think you read it correctly

[icy knot]

Do you think Wargaming should add a handbrake, like in the pc version?

[violet timber]

no

[icy knot]

why not?

[violet timber]

Tanks in blitz already stop incredibly fast, a handbrake wouldn't really add anything that isn't already there

[worldly knot]

Should I run double food or double fuel on the p.44 pantera?

[violet timber]

double food

[worldly knot]

👌

Wow it’s amazing

[blissful cave]

Double food goes for pretty much every tank

[worldly knot]

Figured didn’t have the free xp to upgrade the tracks or the engine at the but the x5 certificates came in clutch

[light plover]

I would wish the restoration of tanks is free because its a waste of gold for newcomers

[pliant path]

I don't think that would work very well. It would give players infinite gold. A player sells a collector tank for gold, restores it for free, sells it again, restores it again, on and on and on.

[blissful cave]

They should’ve just made it 1.5x cost but no…

[worldly knot]

My tiger 131 costs 3500 to restore 😔

[light plover]

On reforged

[light plover]

If reforge is good, they should not sell the tanks anymore so that the players could keep it and the restoration is free

[light plover]

Rather than using gold

[gaunt mountain]

i always use
1 2 1
1 2 2
2 2 1

also i personally would use big repair adrenaline and tungsten

[half igloo]

is Foch 155 good or bad?

[wary summit]

Cruise control would be much better

[ocean juniper]

Which Tank to Buy? FV4202 or VK72.01K?

[wanton sky]

Fv

[modern gust]

There is a handbrake in pc?? Does it like help with drifting?

[thorny smelt]

Yup. The space bar is for handbrake.

[modern gust]

I always find that when using the autoloader, I tend to fire one shell and then have no target for the second shell so having to reload again.

[modern gust]

What is the difference between a handbrake and the S key?

Is it pace?

[thorny smelt]

I think there's some deceleration going on when using the S key unlike when you handbrake you suddenly stop. I have to test it again.

[modern gust]

Get it? Because you need to press the SPACE bar for a handbrake and S key for backwards, so the difference is PACE.

[vapid sleet]

theres no handbraking in the game, what? by default space is the special ability activation for game modes xd (oh ur talking about WoT)

[modern gust]

Pc has physics right? Can the momentum still bring you forward into the path of the enemy even with the handbrake?

[thorny smelt]

Yeah. It makes your tank wobble at least.

@vapid sleet We are referring to WoT PC handbrake.

[modern gust]

But with physics in reforged, do you think they would add a handbrake feature?

[thorny smelt]

It would be nice

[vapid sleet]

dont think so cuz they would have to add it to mobile also and thats an extra button on screen

[modern gust]

That's the thing. Also a reason why the Swedish tds haven't been added yet. That extra button.

Speaking of physics, there should be an option like in WT, where if you're stuck a friend can come unflip you. Lord knows even in physicless blitz, you can get stuck

[modern gust]

Actually, on LESTA they gave BZ-75 rocket boosters. I wonder how they did it

[thorny smelt]

Meanwhile, the game that hasn't been updated for months has the Stridsvagn 103B line and there's no problem with adding another button for the siege mode.

[modern gust]

I'm sorry, which game hasn't been updated for months?

[thorny smelt]

TC

[modern gust]

I see

[deep lance]

Add stumtiger

[mighty ermine]

Does anyone know latin

[formal shadow]

i wouldnt imagine so

[fallow plover]

Congrats to @compact canyon for being the best FV4202 player in the world right now! An average of 5,016 is a feat only the most skilled players are capable of achieving!

[plucky summit]

I have... suspicions...

[rich blade]

Enemy Team:
_Snipefrog1223 [D0WN] Maus
Killermagnet171511 [D0WN] Maus

[sullen abyss]

💀

[vague crown]

https://tenor.com/view/my-honest-reaction-my-honest-reactor-nuclear-power-smoke-gif-26582644

[vast plume]

Are the DERP guns real? Were they real?

[blissful cave]

Yes

Howitzer churchills are real
And if anything fun fact the Churchill VIII in game is mislabeled it’s actually the Churchill V
Churchill VIII is the 7 turret with the howitzer

[vast plume]

How about the big gun in the Su152? Was that thing real?

[violet timber]

Yes, that's what the 152 in the name stands for

[vast plume]

Oh my gosh and they went to war with that thing? I didn't learned much about TD's.

[blissful cave]

Well yeah obviously it’s in the name

[violet timber]

It was an assault gun, made for fighting reinforced positions, not really meant to fight tanks

[vast plume]

Oohhh! No wonder. The accuracy of it is 😒😒😒.

[violet timber]

You also have to keep in mind that interactions in blitz translate extremely poorly to irl interactions

[violet timber]

Blitz accuracy is a balancing factor lmao, the SU-152 was quite accurate irl as were most tanks

[vast plume]

Yes sir @violet timber

[blissful cave]

Ive seen ISU-152 irl few times Finland used them

[vast plume]

Nice piece of equipment. Im gonna Google and see if the Russians use it in their parades.

[blissful cave]

SU-152 is basically the same casemate except on the KV hull instead of the IS

[vast plume]

Wow Russians are crazy. All the bigger guns i have to deal with are Russian. I play tier 6. I have to deal with the Su152, Su100Y, Kv2, KV1S hits hard and the IS-2 also hits hard.

[blissful cave]

They like beeg gun even if it can’t hit anything

[vast plume]

Oh but I forgive them, because when you're using those tanks and you hit something (especially with the KV2 or Su100y) it makes me smile.

[blissful cave]

SU-100Y is funny it’s real btw they only made one

[vast plume]

Yes sir! Why did they stopped production though. That i do not know.

[blissful cave]

Because they made it out of a prototype of another tank
There weren’t any of those so…

[delicate abyss]

One of myfav tank

[shell robin]

What's the best chinese tank line?

[errant oak]

Wz 121

[buoyant jasper]

Is BZ 75 good?

[thorny smelt]

Average

[formal shadow]

mid

[light plover]

By the way who played reforged the ultra test 2

[tacit rapids]

You'll have to deal with it.
They use at minimum 122mm on 85-95% of their heavies and 152mm on 50% of their TDs.

And when you're gonna get to higher tiers, good luck
Because dang it, they're upgrading their 122mm gun to the next level to add more penetration and sometimes damage.

[worldly knot]

Eh tbh idk about other servers but here in na I don’t see many Soviet tanks in t8 and above maybe an isu 152, is 3 and is8 every now and then but that’s really it

[tacit rapids]

Oohhhh in EU they're extremely popular.

Can't play a round without seeing at least one Soviet tank.

[spice anvil]

Kv1s max modurn base in kV 122

[ocean juniper]

Is the VK72 a meta?

[modern gust]

I wouldn't say it's meta. But it's in a good place currently. Not great, just good.

[scarlet agate]

After update this tank feels amazing. I use it with the DPM gun

[torn walrus]

Vindicator UM

[shell robin]

What's a good consumable loadout for Chinese TD

[harsh elm]

double repair adrenaline

[long patrol]

worth getting?

[scarlet agate]

my favourite tank

[long patrol]

i am pretty sick of the is5

[scarlet agate]

It also got buffed, but I did not try it.

[blissful cave]

It got buffed I tried it it’s even better

I always thought IS-6 was a really good tank with good armor and people are like “noooo armor bad” which I never take anyone seriously on what’s good or bad
I play the tank and form my own opinion like I think IS-6 and M6A2E1 EXP are really good tanks
People always think “old premium automatically equals bad”

[long patrol]

do u like is6 or 5 better

[blissful cave]

I never bought IS-5 even tho I’m in a clan

Never really interested me

Also are IS-8 and 5 the same thing?
Object 730 is the IS-8 too

[violet timber]

IS-5 is an early IS-8

[blissful cave]

Looked it up and found both instances

[violet timber]

This goes over it very simply

[normal forge]

Yes however it is bugged, it should have 270HEAT pen now but it has 217

Bugs is known, fixed next update

[zenith shadow]

U should for 1500 gold cheapest tier 8 u can get

[waxen tree]

183 is op

[ashen scaffold]

That unspotted medium:

[errant oak]

Its not op but remove it pls

[pulsar relic]

Man this IS7 is good but one shot from 183. Boom turret blown off

[inner bison]

Guys how did I get M on this

It doesn't make any sense 😕

[violet timber]

it's a poor tank that's not played very often

[inner bison]

[worldly knot]

Well tbh the 183 can hurt every single tank pretty horribly

[pulsar relic]

I meant the ammo rack bro and IS7 has the highest chance of ammorack explode

[worldly knot]

Yeah I think the entire is7 line has a pretty high ammorack explosion rate

[raven lark]

how many ratings month left to get GSOR parts? I need another 20. do we have to grind another 4 months? because each month gives only 5parts for diamond.

[shy hamlet]

Imo instead of the currently planned buffs for the T34 heavy what should be done is buff its camo% to be more in line with the T30, as its gun is really just a glorified td gun with as little as 0.273 dispersion

[old valve]

Only that both tanks are mostly played as hulldown heavy and not as sniper at the back of the map 🤷‍♂️
That makes a camo-buff kind of irrelevant

[shy hamlet]

some random ahh tier 8 td penning my GUNMANTLED

[old valve]

T30 or 34?
Besides that, why should that validate a camo buff?

[spice anvil]

Keep experiment and going to is 8

[blissful gull]

Well Russians love playing turret toss

[pulsar relic]

The turret is so good man but the hull is so thin

[dim shard]

I don't think the T30 should be using it's camo in the first place 🤔
The accuracy is not that great, and it would be sad not to be able to use it's amazing armour!

[tacit rapids]

That's when you stumble upon TDs, and it's a usual occasion.

For other tanks, hide lower plate if you're facing them.

[deep furnace]

is enrich konzept 1 good?

[violet timber]

Its very okay

[shell robin]

It's not even a real TD anyways

[shell robin]

Definitely one of the tanks in wotb

[blissful cave]

I think it’s just a simply good medium tank nothing crazy

[ashen crown]

I’ve suddenly remembered about the Tiger of Saumur, wonder how the restoration’s going

[spice anvil]

Ai momment

[robust orchid]

Is this thing any good? Just got it from a Party certificate

[pale timber]

Yeah tank no good you made it better

[pale timber]

It's a great tank with moderate reload speed and standardized armor. I got my in a Mystery Box containers

[pale timber]

Was this a bigger version of the German Tiger?

[tulip iron]

They made Brad Pitt look like Rowan Atkinson

[unkempt oracle]

It is a normal tiger 1 as I srr

[pale timber]

I see

[robust orchid]

I think it's just a regular Tiger I recovered from or captured in a place called Saumur (a location)?

[wary summit]

Recovered and captured, named after the museum it resides in

[ashen crown]

Yeah it was a captured Tiger

It had 2 different names before eventually being part of the Saumur tank museum collection

[rain island]

Just got the chieftain mk6 from a crate, how good is it?

[formal shadow]

how do i play the king tiger properly
i know its a good tank but im performing so badly in it its embarrasing

[urban kayak]

so did anyone get the free Tigger 1 that was being handed out

[tacit rapids]

Sidescraping, angling, hiding your lower plate, and probably something else...

[worldly knot]

Very good

[fickle kraken]

mk6 was better when it had actually useable prammo

[void badger]

Hi guys help please recommend me a good tank line please started french and not feeling it too fast and dies fast

[worldly knot]

German e100 is very good for beginners all of its tanks are pretty armored and have good guns

[sleek apex]

Took a look myself and seems like the most recent update are from articles a year ago, noting that it would take about 2 years to be completed, unfortunate that the museum doesn’t do coverage for their restoration like what Bovington did with the 131 and Australian Armor & Artillery Museum does with their vehicles

Aus Armor museum even has weekly video updates for their multiple restoration projects which is pretty interesting to watch, they have completed their Stug III with the final video for it uploaded just yesterday

[delicate abyss]

didn’t it go to Militracks?

[sleek apex]

That one’s the Munster Museum Tiger

[robust orchid]

The Foch line is great, the T110E5 line also somehow works imo

[ashen crown]

Aww shucks, welp, I guess I have to rely on my cousin when he’s coming to Saumur

[sleek apex]

Oh that’s neat, please share pics here if possible

[solid fog]

Is it just me or the 53TP (Markoweskiego idk if I spelled that right) is much better than the IS-3? I always manage to hit my snapshots with it

[solid fog]

How do I prevent this tank from somehow missing all the time, the 155 is hard to use

[wary summit]

You aren't wrong

The IS-3 has been showing its age for a while now

[ashen crown]

Sure

[twin jay]

seems like i stole someones luck

[robust orchid]

Use it like an assault TD, it has great armor and mobility, so you can pretty much position yourself closer to the frontline, like being a midlaner.

Don't be afraid to use prammo if you're struggling to find weak spots, it's better to hit than miss.

[hollow ridge]

I thought this was a mystery certificate for some reaosn

[twin jay]

Lmao

[hidden cloud]

Guys for some reason when I click ready in a room I crash, can anyone help fix this? 😭

[bitter wedge]

Good tank tbh i like it a lot

[pliant path]

There have been other training room issues and WG is working on a patch. Your problem could be related to that. #game-status-upd message

[tiny garden]

Bro??

[jolly loom]

wut happened to is 5 premium shells

[wary summit]

Bugged out

[plucky summit]

Yup

[wanton hedge]

i wanna cry
i can't believe i actually got this baby

[plucky summit]

Good pull

The cooler T-54

[marble juniper]

why is it hybrid nation? its a real tank

[plucky summit]

Isn't it a German-captured USSR tank?

[wanton hedge]

not captured, given to east germany by the soviets
given to literally any soviet-allied country, actually
T-54/55 was the most produced tank in history

[plucky summit]

Ah okay

Here I was thinking it was the T-34s

Or perhaps the M4 Shermans

[wanton hedge]

surprisingly enough, nuh uh
T-54/55 tanks total'd around 90k to 100k tanks globally

[plucky summit]

That's a whole lotta metal

[wanton hedge]

theres a reason why its called the AK47 of the tank world

[plucky summit]

And before you play it, don't be surprised when you get full-HP ammo racked. It feels like in gamemodes, you just get ammoracked oh so often

[plucky summit]

Never heard the phrase, so I'd have no clue

[visual bane]

when are they buffing the T28 Prototype thanks in advance

[tacit rapids]

Mmmmm

Why won't we scrap 'em?

[plucky summit]

Nope

[wanton hedge]

while theyre outdated
theyre still viable combat vehicles when not facing enemy tanks
like guerilla fighting forces for instance

[tacit rapids]

So they're more effective as anti-infantry vehicles now?

Why not use their chassis for IFV then?
Or do it like the Finnish, and make something similar to 100 56 TK

[wanton hedge]

perhaps its more cost effective for nations to just develop new tanks?
also personally i wouldnt wanna lose that 100mm gun
its more than enough to use against infrastructure

[analog granite]

Players Driving Ru251 how do ya do it?

[wanton hedge]

also TIL Type 59s were the tanks seen in the Tianenmen Square photo

[wary summit]

Tbf, there is only so much a 1st gen MBT could do after the 90's

But yeah everyone's been pretty resourceful with what the T-54 platform can offer

Or just be what Russia does, turn them to ove-armoured VBIEDs

[wanton hedge]

so far i've never been ammoracked yet

[plucky summit]

Me and my brother tooned, his T-54 and my T55-A

Both of us got ammoracked 😭

[wanton hedge]

yall rolled a 1 unfortunately 😔

[plucky summit]

I clipped it. What a tragedy

[wanton hedge]

lets see it

petition to nickname the Type 59 as the "tiananmen tank"

[plucky summit]

We still won, but goodness that was unlucky

[wanton hedge]

ayyy lmao
to be fair that was a FV215b that racked you
and the T-54 doesnt react well to being shot by TDs in general

[plucky summit]

Yeah. It just surprised me that it wasn’t even those petty 138 HP ammoracks either

[formal shadow]

howd he do that

[wanton hedge]

guess who got ammoracked by an FV215b lmao

[plucky summit]

Told ya

[wanton hedge]

well guess who got some revenge

[plucky summit]

Redemption

[gaunt mountain]

mmmm firekit instead of adrenaline banger

[wanton hedge]

FV4005 is telling me to aim
when im the only one with kills
why is WoTB filled with halfwits man

[wanton hedge]

firekit is free

[gaunt mountain]

you're in a premium

[wanton hedge]

i'm spending enuff creds on HEAT rounds

[gaunt mountain]

take less then

also you arent shooting them all immediately soooo

[wanton hedge]

eeeehh
i face tier Xs too

[gaunt mountain]

so? you can still pen alot of them without prammo

[plucky summit]

Eh, depends on pen rate

[wanton hedge]

237 pen
anyway, i'm keeping the free firekit
nothing is cheaper than free

[plucky summit]

What if it gave you money to use it

[hollow ridge]

121b is horrendous

[gaunt mountain]

you can still pen them

[wanton hedge]

nah

[plucky summit]

Oh an optimist. They're not angling nor using enhanced armor

[gaunt mountain]

why would you use enhanced 😭 and sure ill angle them

[plucky summit]

E100 would to avoid getting the turret penned by higher-grade standard rounds, and would probably want to play angles like a Maus instead

[gaunt mountain]

if the e100 over angles just shoot the track but if its angling correctly (ultra rare) then you can use prammo but you still dont need so much also theres really no angling the is7 only really sidescraping but again you dont need a million prammo

e100 using correct angling yet it can still pen it

[hollow ridge]

What good vehicles can I get for 15k gold

[gaunt mountain]

how so?

[hollow ridge]

I think it's better to say that it does not fit my play style

[gaunt mountain]

hm alright then

[hollow ridge]

The gun depression is the deal breaker

Kind of sad 5k gold went to waste like this

My win rate dropped by 10% playing 121b

[gaunt mountain]

i dont mind it tbh

[hollow ridge]

My winrate was 60 before hand and now it's 50

[gaunt mountain]

so you probably have little games

[mystic canyon]

Wise wise Sreami 🙏

[hollow ridge]

Yeah, this is a brand new account I created. I used to play back in 2016

I perform really well on t77

[gaunt mountain]

grind for the yoh then frfr

[hollow ridge]

That's the thing

I don't have time to grind tanks

Any suggestions on a heavy (t8)

Or rlly anything that you think I might do well

I got about 15k gold

[lyric heron]

Which as better potential when played right: action x or keiler?

[zinc anchor]

action x

[worldly knot]

action x in my opinion but the 190 alpha isn’t great tbh you get out traded most gun fights

[nimble mica]

Caliban for memez

[torn walrus]

the upgraded turret of this tank have less armor but more hp

[tacit rapids]

And so does Challenger

[wanton hedge]

chat are these tanks good

[wary summit]

Pretty much

[wanton hedge]

i tried

[cold depot]

Dracula is good because its absurdly fast
Basically put a Maus engine into a CDC and there is the result

[wanton hedge]

fascinating

[cold depot]

Yea i fought one today and it wasnt fun lol
It has like 2000 horsepower

[regal magnet]

I got maus and Dracula and yea Dracula is one of the fastest acceleration tank in the game and perfect rammer also

[cold depot]

The issue is it weighs practically nothing

[cold depot]

Use improved modules and enhanced tracks for the funny
It repairs so damn fast

[regal magnet]

True

Vampire tracks are fast as it repairs track in 1 sec

And with enhanced tracks u are intrackable

[wanton hedge]

i died 2nd
i suppose there's the caveat of being speedy

[regal magnet]

Bro u didn't play this game for a while I think and use land as cover bro if needed

[wanton hedge]

2k battles

[regal magnet]

Ok but try to grind a lt u will understand

I have grinded a lt and mt, td and ht

[wanton hedge]

i'm not good with LT sadly
i tried before
only good with TD, HT and MT i think

[regal magnet]

Be good with lt and u will be good with dracula cz it is mt and it is played like lt cz no amour

[cold depot]

Dracula and Bourrasque are secretly light tanks with medium health

[regal magnet]

True

[solid fog]

Y'all I swear to god, please agree with me that the kv-5 is garbage

[wary summit]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-lie-detector-cap-you-are-lying-stop-lying-gif-12198388917433403789

[ancient whale]

Ur just impatient

[wanton hedge]

let's go gambling!!

[spice pasture]

Tuteł

[wanton hedge]

is this TD good?

[spice pasture]

I like that tank

[spice pasture]

Good armour, good turret, but slow

Very slow

[tacit rapids]

The curse of 183's family
All British turretless TDs related to the 183 line are slow as hell

[wanton hedge]

HA HAAA
i only got gun rammer equipped btw

[spice pasture]

Good job little one

[wanton hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/ibuki-blue-archive-bluearchive-ibukibluearchive-ibuki-blue-archive-gif-8844473876716222471

[normal forge]

Reminds me of that

[wanton hedge]

that's amazing
i can only dream of achieving that much in the ASIA server

[normal forge]

Its wotpc so more enemies to farm🤷🏻‍♂️

[solid fog]

In return you make the enemies rage when you hit a hesh shell

[cold depot]

Well they dont have hesh
The 183 does, the rest of the line doesn't

[solid gate]

He found his old chests.

[glossy saffron]

I have one question. What is the next tech tree line?

[marble juniper]

Getting E50M today. got any tips to play it effectively?

[old valve]

Basically just hold W.
It has great upper hull armor, great turret armor and is very mobile. The sides can bounce some shots as well and it has reactive armor on top.
Very good for any 1 v 1 situation

[plucky summit]

Nono, the issue is it weighs 34 TONS

It's a medium for a reason

[wanton hedge]

i read this thing's name as "suoomi" lol

[tender jolt]

guys is the french med line worth it

[ancient whale]

Suoomi=suomi=finland, im from there

[wanton hedge]

a few of the T-55 family

[wanton hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/coincidence-i-think-not-coincidence-i-think-not-the-incredibles-gif-5096707

[tacit rapids]

Nah

Su-ioomi

[plucky summit]

Clearly you're an SU-100M1 then

[wanton hedge]

does anyone here own a fully buffed T-54?
i would like a photo of it

[wanton hedge]

in this angle and zoom

[plucky summit]

Sure

[wanton hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/ibuki-tanga-blue-archive-happy-teddy-bear-gif-12695323382117541548
thanks man

[plucky summit]

Np

Huge container gave 920 gold on that 0.2% chance
That's karma

[icy wadi]

i believe it's the Polish tds

[wanton hedge]

i love this thing lol
small dmg per shot
but the fast reload and heavy armor makes it so that you can easily stack up damage regardless especially when you're brawling

[plucky summit]

Yup. Main strategy is maintaining line of sight until enemies reload. You can put in two to three full shots against a lot of other heavies after they fire. Just gotta avoid playing the trading game and you're golden

You could also just brutalize mediums

[cold depot]

Think of it a bit like an autoloader with unlimited clip size

[blissful cave]

SUOMIIIIII MAINITTUUUUU

Vz 51 may just be the worst tier 9 I’ve ever had to grind this is an awful experience

[plucky summit]

ST-I

Leopard PT A

M46 Patton

[potent hawk]

Is the 121b any good?

[sullen abyss]

I bought it for that 12.5k deal and I was pleasantly surprised

Guns great, mobility is nice (also has super speed boost) and armor is ok enough to get some bounces

[potent hawk]

guess i'll get it then. i dont really like the concept 1b and i still have quite a few collector vehicles

[gaunt mountain]

oh so now you dont need a billion prammo

[wanton hedge]

considering i'm not facing tier 9s and tier 10s
that is correct

[gaunt mountain]

you will still meet t9's occasionally

[wanton hedge]

then i'll def be packing prammo

[gaunt mountain]

you cant decide when you go against t9 and when you dont 😭😭

[wanton hedge]

common sense be lost on ppl sometimes
i'm not packing prammo bc i havent faced T9s yet
only once MM start screwing me up the rear will i be doing that

[gaunt mountain]

same can be said about you 😭😭
anyway just take some prammo you're always gonna need some

[wanton hedge]

same can be said about you 😭😭
i'm not the one making a "no s h * t , sherlock" statement here but go off ig

[cold depot]

Its still better to bring prammo regardless, there is no penalty to just having it and you never know when you could need it

[cursive maple]

With 330 dps gun its kinda good tank

[nocturne mirage]

did the IS-2 berlin get pbr yet?

[cursive maple]

Not yet i think

[nocturne mirage]

[sleek apex]

Only at reforged ultra test

[nocturne mirage]

ah thanks mate

[mortal pendant]

guys what scares me about the reforged update is that I saw there was no 152mm gun option for the SU 152

I get that the tier 8 gun has better dpm but cmon its an su 152 its in the name

I really hope they dont remove its fun cannon ;-;

[worldly knot]

Fun for you not fun for everyone else

[wanton hedge]

sreami over there chastised me bc i use prammo with my T55A, while also saying i should swap my free firekit with adrenaline

[worldly knot]

I don’t understand why people grind heavy tanks just to sit in spawn and get 2 shots off why not just grind a td then

[karmic plover]

Exactly!!!

[wanton hedge]

to be fair some HTs have MT armor
so theyre relegated to sniping

[worldly knot]

Yeah I’d understand if you were sniping in a amx 50b but I see people sitting spawn in e100s and mauses

[wanton hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-verne-over-the-hedge-turtle-disbelief-gif-24744867

[sullen abyss]

😩 😔

[wanton hedge]

i hope im not the only one that calls the ISU-152 "isuzu"

[pliant path]

The missing 152 gun has been reported as a bug, as has the missing guns on other tanks.

If you spot other problems like that you can report them in #🐞bug-reports-ut2. I've given you the Ultra Tester role so you can do that.

[worldly knot]

😔

[worldly knot]

Wow that name really fits it idk why

[wanton hedge]

right???

[tacit rapids]

I did the reverse yesterday

[tacit rapids]

Sadly I began to encounter those too
So much matches in a row without camping heavies and now this

[potent hawk]

Whats wrong with the 121b?? Ive been ammoracked thrice in 11 battles. And 1-2 battles i took 0 damage

[limber sail]

I ammoracked it 4 times in mad game just in only 2 days with 183

[gaunt mountain]

you use too much prammo on your 55a you also take no he and whats the point in using a free firekit like you're just giving yourself a disadvantage by not using adrenaline

[potent hawk]

yeah it's those 183's that keep one-shotting me

i think 2/3 times it was them

[zinc crane]

Yo Guys suggest me a super heavy to grind next:
E-100
Vk 72.01 K
60tp

[worldly knot]

E100 is great and so is the 60tp but imo e100 currently is better

[solid fog]

Nobody calls the Maus an iron ingot

[wanton hedge]

i meant the way their names are read

i read SU-100M1 as "suoomi"

[nocturne mirage]

😂 sounds actually something very german in fact

[lusty orbit]

why no one talks about this?

[spice pasture]

Because why we should talk very mid tanks

[tacit rapids]

Hey
If not the uptiers, it wouldn't be mid.

Jagdpanther is the perfect vehicle to facehug the opponent.

[spice pasture]

I know but WG made choices and then we have consequences

I more enjoy tiger 1 but that's my opinion

[tacit rapids]

It's still good as hell, and the perfomance is only damaged by the uptiers.

[robust orchid]

JPanther's 105 is pretty potent for its tier, especially with how mobile it is.

Anyway

B I S O N T E

[tacit rapids]

The TD is a universal one
Can go camping in distant high areas, support firepower of EITHER of the sides, 1v1 an enemy via facehug, and if you get lucky, even commit a Kolobanov.

Jagdpanther is my most played vehicle, and throughout weeks of usage, I found most of its great potential
The only problem, as I said, UPTIERS.

[spice pasture]

Bravo what container?

[robust orchid]

Tier VII and IX are basically at the MOST disadvantageous spots, you get uptiered into places that you're basically in a hydrogen bomb vs. coughing baby situation.

And you're the coughing baby.

[tacit rapids]

I mean, Jagdtiger is still good in an uptier, as long as you have a good team.

[robust orchid]

Obj. 752 casually squaring up to top tier without difficulty:

[robust orchid]

I got it from the HT Container from the Birthday Event

[spice pasture]

You soo lucky bro

[robust orchid]

And the first match with it is immediately a 1v1 clutch

[formal shadow]

i wish my bisonte teammates were as good as you

[robust orchid]

Nah, you'd need someone better, I think I got lucky with this match because I managed to control my trigger discipline with the 1v1 brawl.

I'm just a goober

[wanton hedge]

waffletrigger pz iv's icon is still not updated lol

[solid fog]

Konkerhoer (Conqueror)

Can't wait for the 183 to hit me now

[wanton hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/miside-mita-stare-smile-gif-5425572690047187919

very nice, WeeGee

[solid fog]

How much tanks did you even sell, holy

[wanton hedge]

only three lol

[sleek apex]

T-54, gotta be somewhere in Vietnam I’m guessing

[tacit rapids]

T-55 actually, and no
Kazakhstan.

This is probably the only tank I can publicly see in my area. But still something

It made me realize how fat tanks actually are, even mediums.

[sleek apex]

Oh, but that’s a T-54, a fume extractor is on the turret roof

[tacit rapids]

Idk mate, the sign specified exactly T-55. I'd not say anything if they just said T-54/55.

There, a part of the sign is visible here. I failed this photo but it shows the sign

[sleek apex]

I see, public signs can get it wrong at times but that’s understandable since they’re pretty similar only nerds can differentiate it easily

[tacit rapids]

oh

Well at least I also saw Katyusha.
of course I wished for any WW2 Soviet tanks but, T-54/55 is still something, again.

[sleek apex]

Pretty cool to see one nonetheless, never got to see any irl so far, being in an island country reduces that chance too, iirc the nearest ones here are wrecks from WW2

Never got to visit it yet

[tacit rapids]

Even knocked out ones are good. I wish I was there to see them. I really wanna see the WW2 ones tbh

I don't really like the cold war honestly. Tanks from that era begin to be money-based.

[sleek apex]

I see

[plucky summit]

Anti-account trolling

[wanton hedge]

AAAAAHHHHHH
can that baby still run?

[tacit rapids]

Nah, or else some (at minimum 10) 4-5 year olds would already steal that thing.

[wanton hedge]

😔

[tacit rapids]

Trust me, I wanted to steal it myself.

There are too much in the world anyway.
Just imagine it rushing through the street at full speed towards a goddam little street

[wanton hedge]

btw protip
take tank photos in landscape next time lmao

[tacit rapids]

Yeahhhh I already understood when I was going back out of the park. Took a photo of these 2 guns.
76mm ZiL-6(? Idk it was on the sign) and a 45mm divisional field gun.

They seem to use the same gun carriage and a lot of other components though

[wanton hedge]

they look like artillery pieces

[tacit rapids]

If you're used to long guns such as Pak 43 which is 6 meters long, or Pak 44, which is 7 meters long, yeah.

Bur technically they were a mix of both.

[zenith shadow]

By any chance the first one is the same one as Zis-30 tractor?

[tacit rapids]

Was its armament a 45mm gun

[zenith shadow]

Nvm says 57mm on wiki

Looked so same

[tacit rapids]

I can't find a similar 45mm with that gunshield either 💀

Maybe it IS the ZiS-2

yeah it is. same carriage.

[zenith shadow]

Zis-2 is the one strapped on Zis-30 tractor

[tacit rapids]

Then the first gun is the one on ZiS-30 traktor

[zenith shadow]

Yeah has to be looks exactly the same as on the picture i showed

[tacit rapids]

And on wiki too.

And the ZiS-5 is me being dumb, it's ZiS-3.

[versed reef]

wdym its fine

[wanton hedge]

look at the shield things on the icon
then compare it to the actual waffle

not to mention the gun

[tacit rapids]

Ig we start with a 15cm Waffle.

[versed reef]

because thats the top gun, the one mounted is the DPM gun

[tacit rapids]

Then why does Panther I icon have Ausf.G turret if the final is Schmalturm

By your logic, Schmalturm should be used on the icon, as well as the L/100 gun.

[versed reef]

its just whatever weegee decides, also the ausf g turret is the correct turret

also it helps see the difference between it and panther 2, same with wt auf pz4 and the other colelctor wt auf pz4 that does show with the 128

[tacit rapids]

I don't think we should have top gun and top turret for the waffle then.

[tacit rapids]

Also, Ritter is literally a 128 Waffle with sick camo which shows in the icons.

[versed reef]

yeah it shows the 128, it just helps differentiate them ig

[tacit rapids]

You don't need to differentiate the 128 waffles because it's obvious that one is different.

[versed reef]

🤷

[violet timber]

It’s using the 150mm gun shield because it’s using a 150mm gun…

[spice anvil]

Zis 3 not 6l

Zis 6 like from 107mm

[shell robin]

Tank Concept: GBT 155
British tier 9 Tank Destroyer

The GBT 155 was a Nato project of equipping the GBT 155 turret onto a Vickers mk 3 hull (often mistaken for it's cousin, the Vijayanta). The power of the gun required it to be fitted reverse like the Archer (in game as Angry Connor). However, the project went nowhere as more practical designs rolled out.

The GBT 155 can be described as either a mini 183 or the lovechild of the 183 and the Angry Connor. It's equipped with a FH70 155mm howitzer reverse mounted on a Vickers MBT hull. It lacks armor as a consequence, meaning whatever it hits is going to feel it, but any hits taken will be felt too. Like the Angry Connor, the GBT 155 is faster in reverse than forward for the same reason: the gun is fitted backwards. I feel like this would be a hilarious tank to have in game.

[violet timber]

The Vijayanta was Vickers Mk. 1, not 3

[thorny smelt]

How about DBV-152?

[shell robin]

Which is why I specifically said "often mistaken for"

[violet timber]

Except it’s not though, I haven’t seen anybody mistake the two

Mainly because they have completely different turrets

[tacit rapids]

I already checked.
It's ZiS-2 and ZiS-3.

[spice anvil]

Ik that

[robust orchid]

Do y'all run Calibrated Shells or Improved Ventilation on the Bisonte C.45?

[south geyser]

Anybody has any thoughts about su 122 44?? , just got it from tier 7 tank certificate reward for 150 battles in UT2

[sullen abyss]

Forgettable

[deep saddle]

Is the t57 heavy line worth grinding?

[old valve]

The tanks are all at least okay-ish. T10 isn't what it once was but still has a very powerful gun.
If you don't have something like the Rino, go for it.

[deep saddle]

whats a good heavy line

[old valve]

Rino, Kran is still decent, 60tp is pretty easy, Vz55 might be decent

[deep saddle]

are the german superheavies good

like all 3 of them

[tiny mortar]

Guys

how join to Test server

[old valve]

Vk72 can still have it's moments, but it was nerfed quiet a bit.
E100 is very easy to play, but you need to know how to angle the turret as well.
Same with the Maus, but with calibrated shells giving Heat shells more pen now, it's become harder to bounce stuff.

Bottom line - VK72 for frontal armor
E100 for allrounder / as a compromise between Maus and Vk
Maus for the Armor

I'd take the VK or E100 over the Maus though, at least as of right now.

[old valve]

Get the ultratester role in channels and roles, then follow the instructions in #📢test-newsfeed to install the ultratest client

[tiny mortar]

thx

[old valve]

(And please keep in mind that it's a very early test, constructive feedback is very welcome in the ultratest-channels
#🐞bug-reports-ut2
#📝general-topics-test-ut2
#📝transfer-event-ut2
And the others)

[wanton hedge]

enjoying this thing so far

[cold depot]

Not to seem rude or anything but you should really equip your tanks better, its hindering your performance and in turn actually loses credits

[wanton hedge]

i'm trying to minimize credit spending

[cold depot]

You will gain more by using adrenaline which lets you reload faster and in turn do more damage which makes you credits and xp
Also prammo only costs when you fire it so you should always bring some incase its needed

[gaunt mountain]

i didnt think you would get worse but you did 😭

[wanton hedge]

fair enuff ig

[tacit rapids]

Adrenaline + Tungsten = Death

[wanton hedge]

i love the elevation diff between the howitzer and the 128mm gun

that makes sense
i heard the WT E-100's 128mm gun was also an AA

[lyric oriole]

Probably intended as dual purpose

Easily accessible for fast loading in either artillery barrage or flak cloud situations

[wanton hedge]

i cant imagine tho
directly hitting a measly fighter plane with a 12.8cm shell

[lyric oriole]

Bruh

You don't fire it directly at a fighter

You should be aiming for bombers

And it explodes in flak radius on a timed shell

[lusty orbit]

btw hope wg makes jpanther pbr grapichs, it would be amazing

[tacit rapids]

What's pbr again...

[violet timber]

Physically based rendering

[shell robin]

What's the better Chinese heavy line?

[solid fog]

Low-key miss the days when T28 defender had that scary 152mm gun sound, but it got turned back to normal 120mm gun sound after the update

[lofty kindle]

Probably bz

[thorny smelt]

Yuuup. I find it oddly satisfying.

[nocturne mirage]

artillary pieces became anti tank guns for tanks

F34 is the Zis 3 converter for anti tank use and the 45mm is the Zis 2 which for anti tank, would be soviet T-26s I believe

otherwise the zis 2 would be the 57mm high velocity anti tank gun, only seeing use on one a selected few T-34-57s

[wanton hedge]

equip adrenaline, they say
you'll earn more creds, they say

[formal shadow]

thats so much cred 💦

[tacit rapids]

HOW DID YOU SPEND 17700 CREDITS IN A BATTLE

[wanton hedge]

provisions and consumables

[tacit rapids]

Premium saved you 😭

[wanton hedge]

i'm much better now--

[tacit rapids]

now nuke a 183 via 15cm HE

[wanton hedge]

currently grinding for the upgraded 15cm

is the Grille 15 any good btw?
i wanna know if its worth grinding for

[formal shadow]

yes its a really good td

[wanton hedge]

roger roger

[tacit rapids]

If you can play the TDs that were before it, yes.

[twilit coral]

In my opinion should the progetto 65 M40 get a 4 shell gun with 2.5 sec inter clip reload, because it reminds me of WoT!

[twilit coral]

It's gun is popular for It's accuracy and dmp of course!

[cold depot]

Techtrees aren't exactly supposed to grind credits
Besides, its only 17k credits total for the entire battle, you get more xp

[wanton hedge]

i hope so
i like playing sniper

[wanton hedge]

fair enough i guess

why do the Type 59s in the footage look so chonky? and thick?
their turrets also seem to look larger than normal

[formal shadow]

they went on a diet after the footage was shot

[shell robin]

Those are Type 59s?

[wanton hedge]

yessir

[shell robin]

Tbh, I have no idea how large tanks actually are, because images make them so small.

But I thought those were Type 62 or Type 80

[wanton hedge]

Type 62s are way smaller
and Type 80s look like T-55AMs

[shell robin]

Tank Concept: Type 5 Ho-Chi
Tier 6 Japanese TD

During the end of World War 2, the Empire of Japan was in desperate need of emergency vehicles for preparation of operation downfall. For most of the designs, this meant cramming massive guns on tiny tanks. The Type 5 Ho-Chi was one of these, although the information, besides a 15cm howitzer crammed into a Chi-Ha, is scarce. The tank, as far as we know, never left the design phase.

The Type 5 Ho-Chi is all about it's gun: the dreaded Type 96 15cm howitzer, the same derp gun on the O-I. Compared to the other derp gun on the KV-2, it has slightly worse alpha and pen, but is slightly more accurate and quicker reloading. So why is this at tier 6?

That's because this massive gun is crammed into the miniscule body of a Type 97 Chi-Ha. It's poorly armored, low hp, and not really fast either. It does have decent concealment, but good luck sniping with a howitzer (many will try, I just know it).

[tacit rapids]

Another type 5 in the game if it gets added

[shell robin]

With Japan's situation they had a lot of Type 5s

[tacit rapids]

True.
But tbh, we need this one as a part of the tech tree. Japan has the latest TD line, starting at Tier 7, so this would make some sense to be in the game, to put it on the same level as China.

[shell robin]

This wouldn't really fit in the tech tree unless we gave it what-if guns like the 8.8cm that the Chi-To SPG has.

If this was tier 6 TT, then it would basically bridge the gap between the Ho-Ni and the Chi-To SPG, and that is a tough gap to bridge together.

[tacit rapids]

I mean, yeah, we should give it several gun options. Also, I don't think we have Ho-Ni in Blitz.

[shell robin]

We don't and I'm not sure it would be good in blitz either. Probably compete for one of the worst tier 5 TD

[gaunt mountain]

tbh tech tree's arent meant for creds premiums are

[shell robin]

Tier 5 and 6 Japanese TD: Type 4 Ho-To and Type 5 Ho-Chi

As my ideas of the tier 5 and 6 JP TD, the Ho-To and Ho-Chi are my attempt to stay loyal to the rest of the line, while also adding that flavor of low tier antics. Both tanks have a line of Typical TD Guns, while having a seperate derp gun (both historical and fun, plus it's T5 and T6 so cut me some slack pls). Both tanks are small and lightweight but can punch well above their weight, sometimes literally.

Type 4 Ho-To: a conversion of the Type 95 Ha-Go, the Ho-To appears like a mini Ho-Chi.

Guns: 47mm Type 1, 75mm type 90, 12cm type 38

Ho-Chi: I've explained this already but to reiterate, it's a conversion of the Chi-Ha
Guns: 75mm Type 90, 88mm type 95, 15cm Type 96

(Image is the Ho-To)

[ashen swallow]

When do you think the BZT 70 tank will arrive and how much will it cost?

[spice pasture]

Probably there will be event like last year on birthday or there will be on Christmas but I m not sure about that

[ashen swallow]

I hope it comes soon, I hope it is under 35000 gold

[ashen swallow]

How much do you think it will cost?

[blissful cave]

Either Black Friday (300-400$)
Or Christmas (either 100-150$ or a ton of gold and luck)

[ashen swallow]

Isn't it very expensive?

[blissful cave]

I was able to get XM66F with a net loss of 10k gold because I got insanely lucky with getting duplicates and valuable collectors

[spice pasture]

Many gold I guess 15000 or more or real money and that will be very hard to get like wt e100 bro

[ashen swallow]

When I asked ChatGPT, it said it would most likely be 30,000 gold

[shell robin]

ChatGPT? Why?

[ashen swallow]

Do you think it will go below 35000?

[ashen swallow]

I don't know 😄

[spice pasture]

Chatgpt don't know everything for now it's secret and WG don't share information about it

[ashen swallow]

Yes but I hope it will arrive around July and the price will not be too high, I think it is not an OP tank.

[spice pasture]

All is if you have luck and on what event it will be on to buy

[ashen swallow]

I don't think there is anything to do with luck, WG thinks about all users and I think it will be an average price.

[spice pasture]

But this tank deal more hp than Godzilla

Type 5 heavy I want more

[ashen swallow]

The important thing is not how many shots he shoots, that is important too, but he has a worse gun than the 183, it will have a reload time of 20-25, its distribution will be bad and his aim will be bad

There is an application where a tank that penetrates above 280 sees BZT as pitch black, moreover when it switches to APCR it has no chance of bouncing and I think this tank is not OP and should come into play immediately.

[spice pasture]

Yes but it will be funny to one shot bc with he shell

[shell robin]

No pen
Slow reload
And worst of all
Hideous

[ashen swallow]

They reacted to 183 as well but they got used to it. I think Blitz needs these types of tanks. The matches will be even more exciting.

BZT's DPM is also very bad, I think it is a very good tank in its own place, but not OP.

[shell robin]

Stats look like a KV-2 gone wrong. And again, it's pug ugly

[ashen swallow]

who

[shell robin]

The 70 tank

[ashen swallow]

ı dont think so

How much do you think the price will be?

gold

[shell robin]

Not worth the pink eye and stats

[ashen swallow]

I think 30000 gold is enough for this tank.

[shell robin]

^

[ashen swallow]

?

[tired bobcat]

[ashen swallow]

look at the cupola

[shell robin]

Ok.
And?

[ashen swallow]

If you noticed, almost all the tanks in WG's other tank games are available in all games. Could this be an indication that BZT will be added to the game in the near future?

[shell robin]

Idk

[ashen swallow]

very big cupola İt can get a bullet from there

[shell robin]

Two cupolas too

[ashen swallow]

yes

[violet timber]

Absolutely not

[shell robin]

So unreliable armor on top of it's dpm and pen
Got it.

[ashen swallow]

what is your opinion

[violet timber]

It’s gonna be hideously expensive

[ashen swallow]

50k?

[violet timber]

Yes, if not more

[shell robin]

Is it not a gamble tank?

[ashen swallow]

ıdk

[violet timber]

It might be

[ashen swallow]

but it could be a token tank or something

[shell robin]

Or a christmas tank

[ashen swallow]

I don't think it's a Christmas tank

[shell robin]

I also highly doubt it'll be a token tank.

This thing reeks of surprise mechanics

[ashen swallow]

The most expensive tank Blitz is currently selling is between 20,000-30,000 gold, so is it a record?

[shell robin]

And which tank is that again?

[violet timber]

That’s not true at all

[blissful cave]

It’s not going to be for direct sale on release they never do that

[ashen swallow]

How much

[shell robin]

Especially for T10

[blissful cave]

BZT will not be under 100$ unless it’s in some sort of crate and you get extremely lucky
But to gurantee it it will be above 100$ for sure

[ashen swallow]

what to do

[violet timber]

Infinite technically, and it’s a tie between the AE Phase 1 and WT E100 since neither were given pity mechanics, meaning you can never guarantee getting them

[shell robin]

Be patient

[blissful cave]

We have no idea how it’ll be released but for a tier 10 it’ll most likely be either Black Friday or Christmas both of which are extremely expensive events (especially Black Friday being no gold money only and like 400$)

[violet timber]

The most expensive tank with a definitive price tag was the Chieftain Proto which was like $750 or smth iirc

[ashen swallow]

Well, do you think people won't react because it's too expensive?

[shell robin]

This is WG, they won't care

[blissful cave]

And if they somehow make it not one of those two it’ll be like Waffen and be some other complicated insanely rare and expensive event

[shell robin]

Typo 5 will be a better buy anyways

[ashen swallow]

I don't understand why they give such a price for a tank that can't be OP

[blissful cave]

People don’t even go for the Black Friday tank except for some YouTubers and the biggest whales you will not see any 116F3’s until it’s sold in direct crates

[shell robin]

Because it's T10

[violet timber]

Type 5 is better, but BZT-70 is objectively funnier

[blissful cave]

I want type 5 heavy so bad but I’m praying it’s not Black Friday

[shell robin]

Elaborate.

@blissful cave idc what Godzilla will be, I will get that tank

[violet timber]

Slapping someone for 1.3k damage will never not be funny

[blissful cave]

Thinking about this MASSIVE type 5 model I made :) (1/32 scale)

[ashen swallow]

A T10 tank should be at most 30000 gold, yesterday 121B was 12500 gold

[shell robin]

I can do that in a 183

[ashen swallow]

Yes

[violet timber]

The funniest thing is a tier 9 holds the joint position for most expensive tank, and a tier 9 holds the position for most expensive tank with a definitive price tag

@shell robin that doesn’t make the BZT-70 not funny tho

[ashen swallow]

How much

[violet timber]

AE Phase 1 is technically unlimited in terms of price tag, and Chieftain Proto was around 750 USD iirc

[blissful cave]

Tier 9’s in general always get the most insane release methods
10’s you know will be Black Friday and Christmas you just expect it

[shell robin]

I'm not saying it isn't. It definitely is. But watching them bounce their shot and then clap back is funnier, and Type 5 is Type 5.

[blissful cave]

Tier 9 it could be normal crates or 2000$ draw somewhere in between

[ashen swallow]

Bzt is a tank that stands out only with its high hit point, why is it so expensive?

[violet timber]

I believe Cobra has one of the rarest legendary camos at this point

[shell robin]

Tier 10

[ashen swallow]

121B was 12500 gold this is very cheap but bzt

[violet timber]

121B has also been released numerous times and isn’t really special in terms of tier 10

[shell robin]

121B is a medium and an unpopular one at that

[blissful cave]

Like we got
Kpz 70 Porsche-open hundreds of mystery boxes
LeKpz 70-400$ or something in the iron fest event
MBT-B and BZ176 both in the Waffen event
Lorraine 50t released at 0.01% in the lottery event
FVE defender same thing but the current lottery
452k released in a snowglobe style event for a tier 9 instead of a 10
AE Phase 1 being a 0.05% STILL in bp crates

[ashen swallow]

Well, don't you think $100 is expensive?

[blissful cave]

Oh yeah BZ-74-1 in the luxury lounge gold cards for an insane amount of money

And of course chieftain proto 2000$ or whatever it was

[shell robin]

Jesus

[ashen swallow]

It's expensive and I was thinking of buying it...

😦

[blissful cave]

ATAC is coming in normal crates soon which is genuinely surprising

Can’t remember the last time a tier 9 released normally like that

But to compensate FVE defender is in the 0.01% lottery ball or whatever

[ashen swallow]

I hope BZT 70 will be cheaper 😦 ...

[blissful cave]

Again, I’m telling you there’s like a 90% chance it’ll be either the Black Friday or Christmas event

There’s almost always only 2 tier 10’s in testing and then are split between the two events
If there’s a third then it’s random like Waffen or 777

I don’t remember is there a third unreleased tier 10 rn or is it just type 5 and BZT

[sullen abyss]

You will have to sell your arm for it probably

Because it’s very very very likely the first time it comes out it will be in crates

[blissful cave]

You’ll be lucky if it releases in crates
Because there’s a high chance it’ll be 400$ in the Black Friday event like carro, 114SP and 116f3

But again there is some slight feeling of “they wouldn’t make it a Chinese tank 3 years in a row” so idk

[sullen abyss]

Could be ye

[blissful cave]

Which is bad because then that means it might be type 5

The Christmas tank always gets re released first
So if type 5 is Black Friday we’re not seeing this tank in even CRATES until august 2026

Which is stupid
You’ll be able to get this tank in crates in august 2026 if crates are still too expensive you’re not gonna see this tank for direct sale until like 2027 maybe

[shell robin]

Type 5 will be a good purchase regardless of price.

Although if I'm being honest I think most of the price tag comes from the name and not the performance

[blissful cave]

I only go for tanks if I actually like the tank itself and I love Type 5 heavy as a tank

[vast plume]

Hey quick question. Did you see the video of the Sherman tank making a squeaky sound in the parade? That's supposed to be normal right? All I'm asking is the sound it made. Im not trying to take this further than that.

[wary summit]

Metal on metal action moment

[vast plume]

Right? I was thinking about all the tank videos I've seen and I think that's a normal sound when it's in asphalt.

[wary summit]

There's also because it's in a slow march so the clanky Sherman engine noise doesn't drown out the squeaks comapred to Tankfest's

[timber torrent]

And nightmares shell velocity is slower than a snail which makes it horrendous when camping (its the only way to play it)

[ashen swallow]

It seems to me that way too, it will arrive in mid-July and I also think it will not be more than $100.

[spice pasture]

Bzt-70 or type 5 heavy? What tank you like more

[ashen swallow]

40 thousand gold would be enough.I think BZT 70

[spice pasture]

Ok

[random sundial]

That is an amazing build! 😱 How did you make it?

[ashen swallow]

Because the tank's HE hits 1200, but it reloads very slowly and its gun features are bad, and its 1200 hit takes away the other bad features and eliminates them. It is neither a very good nor a very bad tank and I think there is no need to fix it.

[ashen swallow]

Type 5 Heavy is a tank that stands out with its armor and its DPM is a disgrace, it is a separate issue that it hits 700. I think BZT and Type 5 Heavy are the same, BZT is even worse, but I prefer BZT. I hope both of them will come out very soon and will have a very reasonable price.

@spice pasture

[spice pasture]

Ok

[ashen swallow]

And aren't the tanks in Supertest added to the game after 2-3 months? BZT - 70 should be in Supertest for 1 month, so it is likely to come in 1-2 months, when do you think it will come?

[ashen swallow]

???

[spice pasture]

It's very hard to say. 1 tank are tested and come to the Christmas, other can be on some event or in container

[ashen swallow]

It won't be in the container because very good tanks probably come with a special money, or token collection event.

How much gold do you think Ttpe 5 Heavy will be?

[spice pasture]

15000 or more

[ashen swallow]

Okay BZT?

[spice pasture]

Wg add new tanks on special events or in container only.

[ashen swallow]

I think 25000 is enough for Type 5 Heavy

[spice pasture]

Same or real money

[ashen swallow]

gold

[neat spindle]

[ashen swallow]

gold

[spice pasture]

Congratulations your Walet have pain but tank is good

[ashen swallow]

So how much gold do you think BZT 70 is?

[neat spindle]

Wasnt that bad tbh

[ashen swallow]

?

@spice pasture So how much gold do you think BZT 70 is?

[wanton hedge]

chat i won this
is it good?

4 shells per 20s mag, nice

[spice pasture]

Good tank but I like more chimera or somua sm

[spice pasture]

15000 gold or more max 30000

I guess

[wanton hedge]

.

@spice pasture

[tacit rapids]

Maybe I shouldn't have sold it...

Well, will restore it once I get my first TT Tier 10

[wanton hedge]

i save any and all autoloader tanks i get
so far i have two

[ashen swallow]

Ok

[ashen swallow]

BZT 15k - 30k gold

[spice pasture]

[wanton hedge]

autoloaders are fun

[ashen swallow]

Your guess is BZT 70 is between 15k-30k gold, I hope so

[spice pasture]

Yes

[ashen swallow]

I think the price you mentioned is very good. I think a tank like BZT should also have a price like you mentioned.

[wanton hedge]

petition to add this vehicle under the EU flag

[valid gale]

That’s an American gun

[wanton hedge]

its a dutch vehicle
m107 SPG

[wary summit]

American vehicle under Dutch service

[cold depot]

Anything with "M(random numbers)" is highly likely to be American

[wanton hedge]

📝 📝 📝
fascinating

[formal shadow]

thats american

[wanton hedge]

wikipedia said its dutch

[tacit rapids]

What is this Waffenträger without gunshield...

[wanton hedge]

M107 SPG

[tacit rapids]

Shouldn't this be a— hold on td? I'm dumb

I mean artillery.

175mm L/60 is definitely too insane to fight tanks directly.

[wanton hedge]

dont the FV215b and FV4005 have 183mm guns?

[tacit rapids]

What is their caliber length again?
Also 4005 has 123mm in Blitz

And about 215b, it depends on which one you mean. If heavy, no. If TD, yeah.

[tacit rapids]

That's the name, no?

Caliber length it displayed by L/

Because, 120mm L1A1 is definitely not 120mm-240mm long.

[wanton hedge]

Gun 183 mm L4

[tacit rapids]

The L4 is the part of the name.

[wary summit]

Wikipedia says it originated from the US so

[tacit rapids]

I am asking for caliber length.
Do I really have to explain what is a length in calibers?

[wanton hedge]

i thought 183mm is the caliber length

[wary summit]

183mm is the calibre diameter

Calibre length is the gun length divided by gun diameter

[wanton hedge]

then i dunno

[tacit rapids]

Or the reverse (88×71, Pak 43)

[nimble mica]

If eu/us gets this then ussr should get kondensator

[tacit rapids]

Kondensator is crossing the line

Dude, it's 406mm. Higher than Sturmtiger, are you insane?
Plus, I don't think USA needs another TD line, and EU is probably getting polish TDs.

[wanton hedge]

chat is the T-22 medium worth it

nvm i dont think i need another medium

[tacit rapids]

They say it's good, but for me, it isn't

[formal shadow]

yeah, an american tank in the dutch military, doesnt make the tank itself dutch

[ashen crown]

Would this fit EU?

[wary summit]

Yeah, and WG missed the chance to add it with the most famous guy that served in one

[spice pasture]

#stop scam

[wanton hedge]

i'm on my way bebe

[formal shadow]

is this tank austrian? i dont remember

[blissful cave]

I think so I did a tank of the day post on something that looks a lot like this

[crude sparrow]

Hello i just joined

[bold ledge]

Hello

Same here

[cursive maple]

Looks like that T6 titan idk name

Titan T24 57*

[wary summit]

As Austrian as it gets

[heady terrace]

World of tanks has it but it definitely looks weird

[wanton hedge]

gg

[plucky summit]

I remember a game where the earnings were 0

I can't find the image, just one with +18 and one with -2

[wanton hedge]

this is why prammo hurts my soul just as much as it hurts my enemies lol

[ashen crown]

That T6 Titan if I remember was a Chaffee with an AMX 13 turret

[tacit rapids]

Isn't it just great when 4 enemy tanks are afk and don't react to mass shooting?

[violet timber]

It was a 13 57 turret which made it look a bit different

[blissful cave]

And then we got the AMX 13 with chaffee turret as a tech tree lmao

Light tank turret+light tank hull=medium tank because that makes sense

[wanton hedge]

fury cast

aayyy lmao

[ashen crown]

HOT Missiles for some reason

[tacit rapids]

Btw is this loadout good

[ashen swallow]

@tall glacier
Dear commander, I saw the post you shared that will come soon. It was about the Type 5 Heavy tank. As far as I understand, the BZT 70 tank will not come soon. When it will come, can you share a post a few days before on Discord?

[spice garnet]

Back using KV-1S after 4 years really shocks me How TRASH its armor now compared to others. KV-1S armor basically a butter for even almost all MT to kill. Sidescraping used to be help, but NOT ANYMORE now... I really think KV-1S need all buff as its can get nowadays, otherwise.. it just piece of s*** tank.

you can not sidescrape, you can not, hull down, you can not do anything decent.. just hide camping or dead soon each of the time.

[wary summit]

The price of a 122mm gun

[spice pasture]

What's up bing hi ling

[ashen crown]

But…big boom boom gun!

[formal shadow]

Wow

[raven jacinth]

what's the difference between the WZ-131 and the Type 62?

they both nearly have an identical hull and turret

same with the gun if you equip the stock gun

is the Type 62 just a stock WZ-131 that was turned into a premium or smthn?

[wanton hedge]

eheheheheeyy

almost there my precious

[jade kernel]

Why this tank really look like TD

[wanton hedge]

once i buy the Grille 15
should i sell my WT Pz IV?

[sturdy epoch]

Never

[sturdy epoch]

Like
It's goated

Unless you don't like it*

[wanton hedge]

i might need the extra dough or some such

[sturdy epoch]

Nahh
Grind
(Or you don't have prems?)

[weak cypress]

hello

[spice pasture]

Let's start discussion people. Which tank on tier X are the best?

[formal shadow]

e100

[blissful cave]

Same tank just different names (factory name vs service name) same with type 59 and wz 120

[gaunt mountain]

wz 132 1 (or vickers light) trust

[ashen crown]

The FT-17 in Invalides

[formal shadow]

nice

[wanton hedge]

four clowns try to out-clown one another

[sleek apex]

Is this one of those pics from your cousin took on his trip to Saumur?

[wanton hedge]

almost there

wait naw

now to earn 5mil creds

[blissful cave]

See if you have any useless items to exchange in your storage there’s plenty of potential there

[wanton hedge]

any chance i could earn more of these?

nvm i'll just buy it once it goes on sale

[blissful cave]

Revalorise parts are often in the end of the battle pass containers it’s one of the premium tanks in rotation there
(Eagle 7, FV201, revalorise, T26E5, progetto 46, Lorraine 40t, AMX 49 and chimera)
But stuff like charms for containers that will never be sold again or parts for tanks that don’t really appear anymore and won’t benefit you (like tank you have but it’s premium so a duplicate would just get credits anyway)

[blissful cave]

Like what am I gonna do with one Action X container charm

[wanton hedge]

welp, i've sold all that i could

[cold depot]

Remember you need credits for equipment
And god forbid a Grille player not using camo net or refined gun

[wanton hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/doro-gif-1748499123257475241

[cold depot]

Also what level is your camo crew skill? It is vital to play grille to max it ASAP

[wanton hedge]

lemme check

[cold depot]

Def get camo maxed asap
Its the most OP crew skill by far and its not even close

[wanton hedge]

roger roger

[ashen crown]

Nope, this one was my cousin’s in Invalides, he’s not in Saumur yet

[sleek apex]

Oh, still pretty neat

[torn crescent]

what vehicle is this

[violet timber]

Tiger-Maus

[raven jacinth]

ooohh huh, thanks for the info

[blissful cave]

Basically just a way to reuse the same tank twice make one tech tree one premium

[wanton hedge]

i love how that T-54 still didnt pen me from behind at the end

[daring carbon]

Relatable

So many tanks like that that basically suck up garage spots, I just always sell them

Unless it's good of course, or I like it (I love the UE57)

[thorny smelt]

SMV-CC-64: ☠️

[wanton hedge]

how good is the vipera compared to the tech tree 64?

[ripe totem]

Better mostly cause of the burst potential

[deep lance]

Yo they should add the L3 :3

[wanton hedge]

F

[worldly knot]

What a fun game that’s gonna be

[wanton hedge]

dw we won via capture points

[tacit rapids]

The only way to win this

[spice anvil]

T-54 152

[wanton hedge]

very cursed

[spice anvil]

Is real

[wanton hedge]

wat

[wanton hedge]

how
t-54 with an artillery gun

[spice anvil]

Ask factory no.100

[formal shadow]

they were high when they made this

[spice anvil]

Im was think pt 76 use 132mm gun

[wanton hedge]

i wouldve loved seeing this in a match lol

[tacit rapids]

The also made the T-54 lighter with it...

[spice anvil]

Pt 76 with 132mm gun🗿🤌🏻

[formal shadow]

i seen it multiple times, tbh its not that op, armor is pretty mid and it can easily be killed if you play your cards right

[blissful cave]

I questioned “T-34-3” (T-54/Type 59? with a 122mm but yeah apparently 152mm T-54 is possible)

[spice anvil]

Idk possible or not but t-34-3 is look like base on limit information but his story very confused

[blissful cave]

As long as 122mm T-54 exists it’s real enough for me
Idc about the name or it’s association with China (WG makes up both a lot, fake names and giving tanks to China that weren’t made by them)

[spice anvil]

Look like they can base in varitant Wz 122 or type 59-2

[blissful cave]

I’m looking up T-54 with 122mm and only getting SU-122 images

[spice anvil]

There story about mbt china tank is make me very confuses

[blissful cave]

Did find this image tho

[spice anvil]

Maybe t-34-3 is base on that guy

[blissful cave]

Gun looks very off tho this looks more like a modern (smoothbore?) MBT gun rather than the IS gun

[spice anvil]

Look like that gun 120mm is from china do it

Wz 121 maybe… use 105mm but have more tungsten…

[blissful cave]

T-34-3 being moved up to tier 9 feels weird but makes sense

It’s just type 59 with a 122mm when type 59 is tier 8, T-54, T-55 and WZ 120 (type 59) are tier 9

But what doesn’t make ANY sense are the tier 6’s moved up to tier 7

You’re telling me Sherman firefly, Sentinel IV, Churchill VIII and Pawlack are worthy of being moved up to tier 7?!

[spice anvil]

T-54 and t-55 i only see they use 100mm or 125(modernization)
T-34-3 and wz 121 and 121 i dont think they use 120mm gun but look model t-34-3 wotb very different wot pc

[blissful cave]

Sherman firefly and sentinel are gonna be fighting tier 8’s 💀

[spice anvil]

Bruh pawlack pen 90mm like pice or shesh

[spice anvil]

They can fight tiger 2 with apds shell🤓

[blissful cave]

Tier 7 British medium tank-sentinel and Sherman firefly
Tier 8 British medium tank-Vickers MBT Mk 3
WG thinks the difference between these two is only one tier same nation same category

[spice anvil]

Wot pc vicker mk3 is t10 🙂

[blissful cave]

Pawlack I’d say is on level with M6
You’re telling me Pawlack is as good of an American heavy as T29? Nah

[spice anvil]

Bruh he worst than m6

[blissful cave]

(Judging by realistic strength scaling)

[blissful cave]

Not sure why they put modern (by blitz standards) tanks in tier 8 and 9

[spice anvil]

I should ask some page tamk like Chinese tank about 120mm gun if they have some information…

[spice anvil]

You should ask this for the owner

Same company but different owner game

[violet timber]

The 125mm equipped T-55 isn’t really a T-55 anymore tbh

Pretty much everything has been redesigned

[wanton hedge]

one for the books

[spice anvil]

@blissful cave you ask True man https://youtu.be/M72jtPgPR44?si=4NCq85DItrDNLohW

But penetration in fury and kv 13 is wild

And some tank got nerf bruh

[wanton hedge]

dogwater team

[wanton hedge]

its a bit of a stupid question
but does ur stuff from ur WoTB's acc carry on to Reforged once you login?
or do I start over again

[spice anvil]

Idk but i already quit wotb cause stupid match and event

[wanton hedge]

dang
bc right now i'm tryna download reforged

[pliant path]

Your WOTB is transferred over at the beginning of a test. They are separate until the next test, then there's a new transfer and you start over. Ultra Test progress does not carry over to the next test.

[wanton hedge]

aww thats doo doo

[pliant path]

The good news is that you can test things you ordinarily don't do. Have some fun trying things out.

[wanton hedge]

fair enuff ig
i wanna see my fav tanks in updated graphics anyway

[spice anvil]

I cant dowload refored

[signal sun]

Only did 2.6🥀🥀 yooo this isn't general I shouldn't be here 🥀

😱

[worthy cobalt]

✅ m.i.i.d was banned.

[wanton hedge]

what happened

[pliant path]

jpeg ad spam by scammer. I was polite. I opened the door before I tossed him out.

[obsidian jolt]

Is lancen with equipment and camo worth 7.5k?

[spice anvil]

Dont

He weak than m4 105

[wanton hedge]

8 players lmao

bots galore

[violet timber]

Different games

Well that’s uncalled for

You asked a question and got an answer, there’s no reason to be angry

[violet timber]

[rancid current]

Can anyone plz increase the isu 152 HP to 1350?

[robust orchid]

You might as well ask them to give the Caliban some armor

[wanton hedge]

TIL this is the uncropped version of tankman

[wary summit]

Tbf tier 8 as a whole needs a rebalance

[worldly knot]

:/

[wanton hedge]

tier 8 is chock full of prems lol

[rancid current]

I am pissed of getting killed in my isu because it has only 1144 HP . While other have more hp like my SMV-Vipera at 1404

[worldly knot]

Yeah but the isu has a 640 alpha gun

[rancid current]

Yes but shouldn't it have some more hp? The Caliban also has a I think 590dmg gun? But it has great hp .

[wanton hedge]

as someone whos been on the receiving end of an isuzu's (ISU-152) gun more times than i could count
i would like that 1144 HP decreased actually

[worldly knot]

fr

The 640 alpha is a game ruiner in t8

[rancid current]

Why? The ISU with the 303 penetration of AP with calibrated shells is a OP tank but it should have some hp .

[worldly knot]

If you give it more hp than it becomes more op

[wanton hedge]

precisely
at 303 pen it should be a glass cannon
thing's carrying an artillery piece while borderline built like a heavy

[rancid current]

But okay if we can't have hp but we can have some more armor ?

It literally took be 5 years to grind towards the obj 708 . My ISU gets killed in most of battles but I get good credits but not much .

[worldly knot]

Ur not supposed to push with the isu