#vehicles-discussion

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violet timber
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Yes

safe cedar
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Actually... shockingly its actually a different hull model, they just failed in terms of making it look like the actual one.

rotund gull
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Tech tree???

violet timber
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Yes

rotund gull
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ah oke

violet timber
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Tier 7 for the Murat line

rotund gull
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i know

stoic finch
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after all those years i finaly have them all..

bitter oar
stoic finch
meager spindle
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now get all their legendaries

stoic finch
stray gulch
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its good tank or bad i just drop him

oak orchid
stoic finch
oak orchid
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I just get gold from containers from draws when I get gold from boosters

hot raft
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so im Deciding between these 2 tanks in the store the raumpanzer or the t77 which of them is better to get???

robust orchid
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I tried to make an Operator's Manual for one of my Fictional tanks xD

solid gate
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Guys, someone in my clan has a tank called the ms-1 mod , ive never heard of it, and it says that its researchable, but i cant find it on any tech tree

robust orchid
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Probably an old tech tree vehicle that got converted into a collector/premium like the SU-76b

solid gate
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But it doesnt have gold letters, or blue letters, it has normal letters, like on a maus

valid ivy
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Cuz they removed them in game, and later they added them as collector (the tank stats stays on acc)

solid gate
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oooooh, ok

pliant vortex
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What about tiger 1 armour?

small sage
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once upon a time,ms1 is a tier1 tank

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It is a tier1 tank in pc wot until now

neon sentinel
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Guys, im having a hard time between 2 T8 german TDs, which one would u recommend? JP2 or Ferdinand?!

plucky summit
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JPanther II

somber gazelle
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What's the best armor tank for t7

solid gate
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@somber gazelle Does it have to be researchable? Gravedigger might be up there

somber gazelle
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Yeah only free tanks

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What nation is grave digger

violet timber
tulip steppe
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e10 is probably up there now, tiger had good armour before calibrated buff, that tank with the samurai looking turret can't remember the name one sec. Lupus lol now that i see it again the turret doesn't resemble a samurai

nocturne smelt
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But that tank has already been forgotten sus_moon

violet timber
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Only free tanks

nocturne smelt
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k lemme thonk

Smv?

violet timber
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Best turret at the tier, but its hull isn’t as good at the T29’s

nocturne smelt
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I thought it was the other way around facepalm

Yeah now that you mentioned it the t29 hull does feel great against t7s

Not t8s that’s for sure(unless you’re a t49 with the 152mm)

errant oak
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Imagine minotauro with normal autoreloader

coarse blade
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If you don't use the 3rd shell, there ya have it.

robust orchid
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Should I get E-50M, T-62A or Kranvagn?

errant oak
raw spindle
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Is leopard 1 worth it if i buy it?

digital basin
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Why does the E10 have bad penetration though it's a 140mm gun

wary summit
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Balance

digital basin
digital basin
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Literally the E100 but in tier 7🤦

wary summit
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It is what it is

errant oak
plucky summit
meager spindle
errant oak
digital basin
meager spindle
wary summit
meager spindle
meager spindle
# errant oak Only 720? Xd

when you consider the vk 72's 900 (while also having tungsten) e100's 1020, and even the is-7 has 600 (while also having tungsten) < and besides the E100 i consider the two to be more viable currently (then 60tp)

it seems bit low

meager spindle
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and the foch (2s) has 620

wary summit
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When the +15cm HE can't overcome spall reduction dmg

errant oak
meager spindle
solid gate
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guys what do you think is better, t62a or obj. 140?

wary summit
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140

But T-62a doesn't get punished severely if you do any mistakes

broken pawn
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What do you guys think about the obj 907?

plucky summit
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There's a special ability once you turn from Leopard 1 to Obj. 140: Permatracking

1v1s become easy against heavies and TDs. Leopard can manage too, of course, but Obj. 140 can be oppressive about it.

I personally think T-62A is a safer, and therefore more viable option, but it's not productive to say Obj. 140 is just a worse Leopard 1. They have their tradeoffs

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Here's my stats on the two tanks. Both have 11 battles (conveniently, I didn't intend to make them match) and my gameplay in Leopard 1 is more focused on dishing damage instead of snagging kills like I do on Obj. 140. I don't believe the winrate matters that much other than the fact I at least made the difference between <40 and >60. It is worth noting that I'm a good player, but I main heavy tanks so my performance isn't anything special. I clerly haven't played the tanks to the point where I sure know how to make a glass cannon work.

My T-62A stats are old but gold. This was after the gun depression buff and it is just an easy tank to play and perform well in.

fierce estuary
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These are Amx-50
But which is the true Amx-50? Im confused

oak orchid
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Well first one is 50b third is second is 50 120 third is 50 100 they all are the amx 50 but true amx 50 is the 50b

blissful hamlet
fierce estuary
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The Amx 50 100 looks like Lorraine

oak orchid
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It does tbh is just a heavy Lorraine basically

fierce estuary
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Oh the hull looks different

blissful hamlet
oak orchid
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Which is 50 100 which is Lorraine

fierce estuary
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Lorraine has pike nose hull while the amx 50 is flat

blissful hamlet
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Difference between the third AMX 50 and the AMX M4 is the gun. The former has the 100mm gun.

oak orchid
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Ok tank nerd I don't need a lesson on tanks

fierce estuary
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I do tho

blissful hamlet
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I'm not a nerd, thought.
Especially not in french tanks.
That is @safe cedar 's role.

fierce estuary
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Like the french tanks they're unique from the others back then

blissful hamlet
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I like the looks of French military vehicles in general.
Mostly tanks and ships.

safe cedar
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For example their is an AMX 50 proper with a 90mm gun and the turret from the original AMX m4

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Best said, AMX m4 is the initial hull, and the AMX 50 is every hull afterwards in addition to the AMX m4.

Ie, the AMX m4 is an AMX 50, but AMX 50 isnt an AMX m4.

safe cedar
blissful hamlet
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Well, now that's a proper explanation on the AMX 50.

blissful hamlet
oak orchid
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I keep hearing that tornvagn Isa really good t8 so I decided to buy it finally so yeah

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A t8 noodle head

safe cedar
# blissful hamlet Hmm.. Dunkerque but with Erebus treatment?

Potentially, if such an idea is true, I would imagine it would be a contingency design if France needed to produce more ships, given France seriously struggled to produce large battleships, and Potentially smaller pocket battleships could that could be produced in a greater quantity could have been useful in securing overseas territories.

oak orchid
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Is tornvagn truly goodd?

wary summit
oak orchid
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good? Ow to spend the 2409 gold from the 4959 from type 57

blissful hamlet
# safe cedar Potentially, if such an idea is true, I would imagine it would be a contingency ...

Indeed.
Problem was battleships escalating quickly in size during the 30s, basically becoming a game of building ships to counter your neightbour's.

We can pretty much see the trend begins with the Deutschlands, the French built the Dunkerques to hunt those down, then the Italians wanted to play by building the Littorios (and struggling at that), then the French answer that by having to to bigger with the Richelieus, which I believe to be easily the best european battleships of the time, then it's the Germans' turn with the Bismarcks and the H-class proposals going even bigger, and with that we end up with the Alsace designs.

oak orchid
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Certain things should have their own physics on tanks like how wot pc/console does like machine guns bounce when you stop or flags actually waving faster when moving or things from camo reacting to the motion of the tank

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Also ramming should do increased damage to external modules like the tracks and gun and the impact should disorient the crew of the receiving tank so you can't do many things normally and if you don't have anything to heal crew you are pretty much screwed then it'd be a funny thing for grav force for heavy tanks

safe cedar
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However I believe before alsace, the next French capital ship slated to be built was gascogne (after my region)

blissful hamlet
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Yeah, but Gascogne is more of an Richelieu with balanced layout, and still part of the same class.
I think it would have been a neat ship to see.

safe cedar
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Nonetheless, its a vertible shame how many battleships were outright scrapped with little parts kept

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How countries as immensely wealthy as France & britain lack the competence to save even a single turret is beyond me.

blissful hamlet
vestal marlin
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Guys which is better E4 or E3

echo stone
# vestal marlin Guys which is better E4 or E3

i would say it depends on the driver, they are both td´s. your style, the enemy setup, the map etc etc. will make you drive em differently. i prefer E4 cuz of the turret and i normally drive it agressive :). just one mans opinion. e3 packs a funny punch.

frank oar
cunning lotus
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finally

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Now another 4 million grind to fully upgrade it

vestal marlin
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2 votes on the E4 and E3

cunning lotus
violet timber
cunning lotus
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Go for E4 because you can grind for E3 later, using T28 Proto to research T28, and therefore skipping tier 6 and 7 of E3 line

violet timber
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E3 is better in the current meta due to having the ability to nullify armor while it's own armor still holds up

cunning lotus
cunning lotus
solid gate
errant oak
cunning lotus
errant oak
cunning lotus
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were they fully upgraded btw? crew + equipment

errant oak
cunning lotus
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did you tag the wrong message? Seems like you meant "I am trying to buy other tier 10's so I won't buy E4 and T57 right now"?

lyric oriole
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E4 is not a good tank

violet timber
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E4 is fine

lyric oriole
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Basically that

violet timber
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It’s one of the better tds right now

lyric oriole
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Huh??

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Over 268 or 113 GFT?

violet timber
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I never said best???

lyric oriole
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183 is better because at least it can scare people

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Same with Jageroo

violet timber
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Now you’re just trolling

lyric oriole
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263 might be the only tier 10 TD worse than E4

violet timber
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Tell me you don’t play tier 10 without telling me you don’t play tier 10

lyric oriole
violet timber
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It is

cunning lotus
# lyric oriole E4 is not a good tank

Consider elabortating on it? That thing has decent armor against heavies (except lower plate but that's most tanks for balance), good DPM to hold enemies in place, 400 pen on prem with cali , decent despersion after running refined gun (use case dependant)

lyric oriole
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Decent armor?

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That's a lot of green

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And if It angled at all the shells will go through the sides

violet timber
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💀

cunning lotus
violet timber
lyric oriole
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I'm starting to think you are

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E4 is mega garbage

violet timber
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You not trolling right now is even worse

lyric oriole
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There is no reason to use it over 60 TP or VK 72

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0

violet timber
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Oh, so then most tier 10s are mega garbage, gotcha

lyric oriole
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Unless you like being hit with HE shells and a 180° turret traverse

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Also APCR standard with sub-par armor

violet timber
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Guess I won’t playa nothing other than meta tanks, because everything else is mega garbage. Thank you mayo nasal spray for opening up the eyes of a noob like me!

cunning lotus
lyric oriole
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If you position like it's your first Battle ever sure

violet timber
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275mm apcr is fine for standard, and it's armor isn't annywhere near sub-par unless you can't position properly.

lyric oriole
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275mm APCR is really bad

meager spindle
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💀 what

violet timber
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It's really not unless you're a bad player

lyric oriole
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For a TD

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It's hot garbage

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Doesn't even benefit like at all from calibrated shells

violet timber
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It's literally fine for what it is, the gun is accurate enough to make up for the lack of normalization apcr has

lyric oriole
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Accurate enough is the same as "It works sometimes"

violet timber
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It's really not

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If .300 accuracy is "it works sometimes" for you, then I'm scared to see how many shots you hit in game

plucky lion
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Lmao now people are calling the E4 garbage

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I ve seen it all

errant oak
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E4 is meh tank

plucky lion
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If you re bad yea 😂

rancid fog
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e4 is allright, issue is t30 before it exists and sets unrelistically high standard

upper ruin
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kv jr needs better dpm

mellow minnow
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Guts

strange yoke
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Would y'all say the Endurance is worth buying right now or should I wait for it to come back cheaper?

violet timber
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If you want it, get it now. There is a very, very low likelyhood of it coming back

strange yoke
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Is it good?

violet timber
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Very similar to the 13 57

strange yoke
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Nvm its not for sale anymore, thought it was

violet timber
lyric oriole
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E4 is up there for one of the most inaccurate tanks in tier 10

violet timber
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Oh, I guess equipment isn’t a thing anymore, my bad.

lyric oriole
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Oh yeah I guess when E4 uses equipment nobody else can

violet timber
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When did I say that? You’re the one trying to argue it’s inaccurate when it can get to .300 accuracy

lyric oriole
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But why use it when you get even lower values with better tanks?

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It's not even the case of 1

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It's multiple

violet timber
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You’re right, we should all just play the most meta tank available, all the rest are so bad they aren’t even worth considering

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I’m sorry that you need meta tanks to perform well, but that’s not my problem. E4 isn’t the best tier 10, but it’s far from the worst.

lyric oriole
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No, this is a case of arguing the worst possible tank for the job

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E4 is the worst of the 150 type tanks

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263 is like it's little brother of the DPM tanks

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Both of them are significantly outclassed, and I want to see them useable

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But you cannot in any way argue they are good

violet timber
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E4 is entirely useable lmao, over 3k dpm, relatively accurate, good armor, and a turret to boot. If you can’t make that work, that’s your problem, not the tank’s.

lyric oriole
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I can make it work best in 60 TP or VK 72

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If I need armor

violet timber
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But those are heavies. E4 is a td slot.

lyric oriole
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E4 is a heavy in a costume

violet timber
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Which is better than it actually being a heavy, since it doesn’t take up a heavy slot.

lyric oriole
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So use WZ 113gft if you are worried about heavy slots

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6° GD and a non-fully traverse turret is not worth it

violet timber
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Oh yeah, back to the only meta options are worth running!

lyric oriole
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Or you can Jageroo

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Strong enough armor and HP

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Enough alpha to hold someone back

violet timber
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But why use Jageroo when you can use 113gft?

lyric oriole
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There is no reason in the sense of comp

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Which you made this about

violet timber
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But that’s what you’re arguing.

lyric oriole
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No I was not

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You limited slots

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I was talking about for a normal battle

violet timber
lyric oriole
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Jageroo is not meta

violet timber
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No, but VK 72 and 113gft are, both of which youve relied on heavily.

lyric oriole
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Where 60 TP

violet timber
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60Tp is pretty close to meta lol. Then, when I use your own arguments against you, you start putting words in my mouth.

lyric oriole
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I'm not the one making these words tho

violet timber
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You are. Where was comp ever brought up before you said it? Better yet, you said that I was the one making it about comp, something you brought up in the first place.

lyric oriole
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By you

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I wasn't even talking slots

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You brought it up

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The E4 is not fun

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The line

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Is not fun

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There is 0 reason to go For E4

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Because it's a sub-par heavy

valid gale
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The 412 heat really does not like working on E4

tulip steppe
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did you just initiate slow mode so only you can post?

lyric oriole
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@tulip steppe have you ever sent a message on this server?

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Anyways

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E4 is a waste of time all around

tulip steppe
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on blitz discord? yes of course

lyric oriole
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It's kinda scary how similar the lines for 263 and E4 are with the tier 9s being the highlights

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Then you would know we have had 30 second slowmode for years Bullveigh

valid gale
lyric oriole
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It had 1 update at least

valid gale
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It was good for like 2-3 updates then WG did the dumbest move ever by switching its ammo and forgetting to change the velocities

lyric oriole
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They also reduced the alpha

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And PBR undid the buff to the mini-turret

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Language

valid gale
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Still stands why does its heat fly faster than APCR literally 2 principles that work against its ammo worsening it

lyric oriole
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Don't worry they'll play with the velocity numbers for like 15 tanks but it will only be by like +/-20m/s I love those Updates

valid gale
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Leopard 1s supercharge was tweaked and they removed 90 M/S for no reason

Like yeah they have no idea what they’re doing

violet timber
lyric oriole
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Where do slots take a place other than a casino and vending machine

violet timber
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Pubs as well lmao, having another tank that can act as a heavy without taking up a heavy slot is pretty big

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They really don't matter at all in comp since you can just have 7 heavies if you want to anyways

lyric oriole
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I've been in pub matches with full 7 heavies on both sides

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I don't think that's a concern

violet timber
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And you know that's rare lol, don't try to act like it happens all the time so slots don't matter

lyric oriole
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It's rare to get all 7 on both sure, but seeing 6 on both sides is surprisingly common

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There's normally some poor sucker in a medium and another in a light, and I've been the medium plenty of times

violet timber
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It happens sometimes, but having a TD slot that can act as a heavy is incredibly valuable anyways

lyric oriole
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That's why Jageroo, 268, or 113gft work better though, they have the armor but don't trade pretty much everything for a half functional turret

violet timber
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E4 doesn't trade everything either lol

lyric oriole
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It trades armor, accuracy, alpha penetration, and DPM effectively, as well as overall mobility (with Jageroo of course being slower though)

violet timber
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It's armor is still good, it's accuracy is also fine, it's alpha is again fine, it's dpm isn't sacrificed at all

lyric oriole
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Consider the role of a heavy though

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You aren't constantly firing normally

violet timber
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Depends a lot

lyric oriole
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That's going to eat into your DPM, and also with APCR as your primary and lower accuracy stats that also is going to lower your effective DPM

violet timber
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It's pen is 275 on standard, the APCR doesn't hold it back that much, and again, it's accuracy is completely fine. It really doesn't have lower dpm like you say it is. All of your points are just skill issues.

lyric oriole
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You can say that if you like but you are the only one moving to insults to prove a point

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What I've said is true and the fact will remain

violet timber
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I'm just making an observation. In order for all of your points to be true, you'd have to be a bad player or playing the tank wrong

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These are truly the stats of a terrible tank.

lyric oriole
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The only way to play a tank with nothing going for it right is all down to luck. AT 7 is one of the vehicles of tier 7 of all time.

But AT 7 isn't good because the gun is in a wonky position, and the Mobility and camo are also bad.

But it's armor and gun are pretty solid

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AT 7 is still bad

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E4 has a similar predicament to Obj 268v4

valid gale
violet timber
lyric oriole
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It's easier for bad players to use, but better players will choose better options that fill a similar role

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With .353 dispersion and worst in-class aimtime it is

violet timber
valid gale
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E4 lol bounces way more than it did when it had AP and as a 4005 and chief main APCR prem only works reliably when it’s above 300 pen

lyric oriole
violet timber
lyric oriole
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Which again

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Applies to any vehicle

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Relative WR doesn't mean that much, what are the real win-rates

violet timber
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I mean, it doesn't apply to every vehicle

lyric oriole
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11.0 changed Ho-Ri to be worse for good players overall

violet timber
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But you said that every tank gets better results the better you are.

lyric oriole
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It's true, a good player will always perform better

violet timber
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But some tanks don't perform as well relatively

lyric oriole
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Such as?

violet timber
lyric oriole
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And what else that didn't get important stats nerfed while newbie friendly stats got buffed

violet timber
lyric oriole
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Ok so we've seen the relative WRs

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So what about the true WRs

violet timber
lyric oriole
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And the heavies?

violet timber
lyric oriole
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So see, 60TP is anti-meta

violet timber
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Then 268 is as well

tulip steppe
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wow i didn't think people were struggling in is4 so much after 10.3, it's actually been one of go to heavies in ratings and i'm liking the gun and slight mobility over the old armour

lyric oriole
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After the nerf it required some brain usage and the community had never been more devastated

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The M62 is a fantastic gun

violet timber
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And now WG is probably going to overbuff it

lyric oriole
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If we could get a tier 7 rebalancing that would be awesome

icy wadi
naive lion
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Should?n't buy it

icy wadi
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only if u really want one of the tanks, otherwise no

lyric oriole
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E 25 is a fun meme but in practicality terrible bundle

tulip steppe
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3250 each full equip and goodies, id saybthats a good deal

real gulch
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Is Jageroo good?

naive lion
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Aight

fallen pelican
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Whose the partner for the battlepass this Month of August 2024 ?

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Is the Jageroo good he asks......

sonic canyon
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is the rino good?

tender sparrow
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What do the images mean when they show up on the display screen on the back of the blasteroid tank?

Does anybody have an answer?

tender sparrow
narrow gust
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Wait a minute D for Duck, The fist probably means attack, the hand is pointing where to go and the flag could mean a point of capture...

Go... Attack... The... D... Point!

tender sparrow
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Every time I recieve damage from an enemy tank, the white flag always appears on the screen

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Every time I do damage to an enemy tank, the boxing glove hitting the brick wall always appears on the screen

woeful escarp
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Which tank should I play to grind credits?

river quartz
wary summit
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Lowe

patent prism
woeful escarp
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Even if it's a lower tier?

keen salmon
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Is IS-4 armour getting nerf? Why is it so easy to get pen?

wary summit
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They nerfed it back in 10.3 to turn it from a pure heavy to a heavium

river quartz
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Bunker is4 was peak

gritty charm
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guys can u guys tell me tips for 60 tp?

sonic briar
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Never sidescrap , especially against a TD

digital basin
candid silo
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What tank should I select
Polish Medium, Italian heavy, frech heavy or Chinese heavy?

icy wadi
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<@&481447501690568709> profanity

calm drumBOT
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dynoSuccess overlord_of_death has been warned.

daring yew
visual veldt
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@violet timber Why are you even arguing with a terrible player making terrible points? It aint worth anybody s time big boy

harsh elm
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entertainment

somber gazelle
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He'll

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I mean hello is the t29 any good

wary summit
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One of the strongest in tier 7

somber gazelle
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But I have it and anything can kill me dose it have armor

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I just got it I must have all equipment and upgrades for it to be good.?

wary summit
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Just hide the hull

All your important armour is on there

somber gazelle
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Because right now a t6 tank can always shoot me

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So only the front is good because I be facing them front only and always get pass my armor

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They say the t29 is the best in armor but idk how maybe I just don't know how it works

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When I face other t7 they all red idk what am doing wrong

wary summit
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Just stay hulldown

That's the point of this tank

somber gazelle
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Ohh thank u two so much

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I wish I was not cheap but I can't afford that ammo

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Okay

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Are u in NA server

naive lion
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I need a tank recommendation

lyric oriole
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Ha-Go

sonic canyon
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Is the stb1 still going to be good after this next update?

wary summit
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There's no exact/official stats on it yet, so it's too early to put in any conclusions

sonic canyon
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Ok, I’m just wondering if I should put in the time to get it because I have had the tier 9 researched for a while but never bought it

karmic willow
violet timber
violet timber
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It’s in a pretty sad state right now where it is essentially the worst auto loading med at tier 10

naive lion
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Which one are good tho is what I wonder 🤔 💭 🤔

errant oak
naive lion
violet timber
errant oak
violet timber
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No lmao, I just want a tank that’s more flexible in its damage output

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Prog, Carro, and BatChat are all more flexible in terms of their abilities to deal damage

errant oak
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Prog is one of the best meds, i dont hace carro abd bc is op

violet timber
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Prog isn’t one of the best meds lol

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Also, none of what you said changes my statement, TVP is still pretty inflexible in its damage output

errant oak
violet timber
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Okay?

errant oak
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3 shells auto loaders sre better in my opinion

candid silo
#

Should I Research stb-1

errant oak
violet timber
#

Yes

river quartz
errant oak
river quartz
candid silo
#

Should I Research stb -1 or Type 71? Umm? 🤔

#

Suggest please

eager magnet
river quartz
smoky willow
#

Hi everyone

#

E25 good for tier 7?

eager magnet
eager magnet
fervent locust
errant oak
#

Yoh line is perfect

somber gazelle
#

What tech tree. Has the fastest tanks

river quartz
errant oak
icy wadi
#

play on the second line and try to stay just in hulldown

timid dune
#

🗣️🔥🔥🔥Buff IS-7

solid gate
#

What tank to get next? I have Type 71, sheridan, IS7, obj 268, VK72.01K, Fv215b and the kranvagn

solid gate
timid dune
#

it will get a nerf next update

solid gate
timid dune
solid gate
violet timber
solid gate
timid dune
#

i can't send it idk why but go on google type blitz news discord.

#

if that's helpful srry

timid dune
solid gate
solid gate
violet timber
#

British tanks

solid gate
fervent locust
loud kernel
violet timber
#

Only 2 German tanks get a HEP round

violet timber
loud kernel
#

Leopard 1 has it

violet timber
#

No it doesn’t

loud kernel
#

It doesn’t I swear I seen it

violet timber
#

It's just 53 pen lol, the shell may be named HESH/HEP, but it doesn't act like one

loud kernel
#

Which tank does have it

violet timber
#

RU 251 and HWK 30 both get HEP rounds

Oh shoot the blackdog does as well

loud kernel
#

I seen a 88mm shell

#

They’re massive

violet timber
#

That doesn't make them HESH shells

loud kernel
#

Ik I’m just saying u guys play the console or

tropic shuttle
#

Hi, is T77 any good in blitz?

icy wadi
tropic shuttle
#

thanks mate

solid gate
tropic shuttle
#

I played and was pretty difficult, but also strong

solid gate
violet timber
#

It has HEP

solid gate
#

Oh aight aight

solid gate
violet timber
#

Yeah, the line is pretty solid though

swift quail
solid gate
violet timber
swift quail
violet timber
solid gate
violet timber
swift quail
violet timber
#

That doesn’t make its mobility good for what it is though

swift quail
violet timber
#

You can think it’s good, but that doesn’t suddenly make it good

solid gate
#

So whats the best tech tree medium? Dont say stb1 or whatever its called and E50 ( im not sure of the names )

violet timber
#

It is objectively a bad tank, and like I said, arguably the worst med at tier 10

@solid gate right now STB is the best tech tree med. some other options are the 62A and M48 which both are more fun and aren’t restricted to solely hulldown gameplay

solid gate
#

What about progetto and the other auto loader med?

violet timber
#

Prog is alright, TVP is not worth it at all, the tier 9 is arguably better

solid gate
swift quail
solid gate
#

Hmmm idk what tank to grind man

candid bronze
#

is improved assembly (+100 hp) or enhanced armor (+3% armor) better on the amx mle?

k ty

violet timber
#

HP

candid bronze
#

are these all the right equipment for amx mle

violet timber
#

Toolbox is better, the rest seems fine

candid bronze
#

k

solid mango
#

Is the 121b good or bad

empty plinth
candid bronze
empty plinth
#

Because it’s inferior to repair speed

candid bronze
#

but i figured if the tracks fully repaired after they broke it would be better since u wouldnt have to suffer with the speed nerf that damaged tracks give

violet timber
#

Damaged track don’t do anything

fervent locust
robust orchid
#

Any tips on the 752?

tall current
#

Should i sell kpz 70?

river quartz
tall current
#

Or T95E6

river quartz
tall current
#

Uhhh ok

sacred trench
#

Funny china tonk go beep

#

Little vickers

patent prism
nocturne smelt
candid bronze
nocturne smelt
keen temple
#

Will B-C25t be weakened?

valid gale
#

Although I don’t think driver affects acceleration only steering maybe

candid bronze
mortal lotus
#

what you think which tank usually play by bad player

candid bronze
#

e100 as well

wary summit
#

Tanks from popular nations ie the Soviets and Germans

peak ferry
vestal marlin
#

So E4 or E3 💀

#

im confused both of you guys make really good points so im hesitating

wary summit
#

Just go E3

ruby mason
#

Should i get keiler or action x ?

rotund siren
ruby mason
#

kinda aggresive on the push

#

i usually play mediums tho mainly panther and comet

rotund siren
ruby mason
rotund siren
ruby mason
#

i see thanks for the info guys

rotund siren
candid bronze
#

why calibrated shells? the prem ammo on amx mle already has really good pen

#

well i mean i havent really run into any problems yet with penetrating tanks unless its turrets on tanks like 60tp and stuff

#

cause the extra dpm is nice

#

alright

frail nimbus
candid bronze
#

i mean i just kinda figured having 130 more dpm whilst having a high alpha would be more beneficial but idk, guess not

candid bronze
#

i mean would 40 extra pen actually help that much? i dont play a whole lot so i dont have the level of experience to see the difference in the two numbers

frail nimbus
frail nimbus
candid bronze
frail nimbus
candid bronze
#

alright thanks

#

is that a vk 90?

#

dang so thats why i been struggling to pen those things

#

also where do i find that so i can see tank armor profiles and stuff

#

ty 🙏

#

ok ty
so putting calli on something like grille wouldnt really be worth it since its prem ammo is already like 370 or something?

#

alright thanks

#

whats it do

#

wait ur saying this is bad compared to calli on like a k91?

#

dang ok

lunar crow
#

what tank should i choose

peak ferry
#

Soda t45

candid bronze
#

does the +3% armor buff ever make much of a difference on a tank?

plucky sun
#

is the t57 worth 70k free exp + a t10 certificate

river quartz
#

Why does it look like that

#

No i mean it looks like a fat duck

candid bronze
#

lol i see it

#

bro what is this 😭

river quartz
spiral flicker
#

Which one?

peak ferry
#

Pedel

icy wadi
spiral flicker
#

Wait hold on I didn’t get 30 days of premium 😭

candid bronze
#

i chose amx cause i didnt know t25 was a collectors tank 🫠

spiral flicker
#

I lied it was a certificate

candid bronze
#

if i knew t25 was collector i woulda sold it for gold and gambled in the grand surprise draw smh

spiral flicker
#

lol

mild pelican
#

What is the best tier 8 in your opinion

stray gust
#

T77 maybe

somber gazelle
#

Do different tank typs do better for credits

echo plaza
#

when does the projet murat french medium will come guys??

wary summit
green elbow
#

i got object 907 from surprise containers is it good ?

echo plaza
dusky hinge
#

Right considering the new buffs and changes. What line should I insta buy with free xp?. I'm thinking CS

violet timber
#

This isn’t true at all

#

Vents are a solid option right now for quite a few autoloaders

violet timber
violet timber
#

They do after the buff lmao

#

8% is a pretty large boost in crew performance

nocturne smelt
#

Makes the 330 view range spike up to 340 in bc…

#

You clearly haven’t used bc enough

#

Cali is for those who want an easier time penning something frontally

Are you gonna confront something frontally in a bc?

#

No. You don’t. But clearly you have not used bc much or perhaps even at all.
So I don’t expect you to know

#

Vents make life easy for you in a bc

Spot them far away, snipe, relocate.

Rinse and repeat.

#

But then again bc was op because of its ability to use its clip effectively unlike most other clippers

#

Penning nothing is absolutely hilarious

#

I barely use prammo on the rear of tanks
In fact I never do

#

He can’t even see me 240+ meters away

#

Well that you do since you can’t relocate to the rear of anything

#

Point is bc can rely on vents since it has other strong as hell aspects like its view range and camo that synergizes well with its clip(+ clip reload booster)

And Cali on t57
.

#

I don’t mind sending one perfect gameplay

That shows how to use bc

#

💀

rare pollen
mellow hare
#

if I already own the Centurion Mk5/1, is it still worth getting the Caernarvon AX over the Keiler?

#

I see, what makes the AX better than the 5/1 in your opinion?

violet timber
nocturne smelt
#

I sent a replay in dms

Of how to properly use bc

Avoiding direct confrontation

nocturne smelt
paper wraith
#

keiler really better than action x? i just kinda am not convinced, maybe to little keilers in the game

mellow hare
#

Same here, I've seen the Keiler once, and that was 2 years ago

paper wraith
#

i oplayed against it in 1v1 tournament and absolutely deleted it, while beign demolihed by action x

mellow hare
#

I see the AX multiple times each Tier VIII session I have but I unironically have never seen the Keiler for 2 years now

mellow hare
blissful cave
#

Which gun is better for SMV 64 the single shot or autoloader

paper wraith
#

single shiot altho it was nerfed i think so maybe it changed but tis still prob better

paper wraith
#

did stb get changed?

trail laurel
paper wraith
#

this very update? no armour changes?

solid gate
#

ggs to wg for neutering leo, 30b, chieftain and 50b

#

yall cant balance at all and nobody are happy with the changes ur making 😂

paper wraith
safe acorn
candid bronze
safe acorn
candid bronze
#

is it like t62a / stb level good or would u say those tanks are still more worth getting

#

i never play mediums so im kinda out of the loop in terms of whats good (i dont play much to begin with, so i just mainly play amx mle, t95e6, and grille)

candid bronze
#

alright

safe acorn
#

Hell yeah they buffed the 132-1

Rat Chinese tank my beloved

wary summit
safe acorn
candid bronze
#

i take that back, i guess i did have a TVP before and i sold it cause i was averaging like 1600 dmg a game in it and i just didnt have fun with it 💀

safe acorn
candid bronze
safe acorn
#

Been hoarding up a good 300k free exp
Hope Murat is worth it

errant oak
#

I want TVP looks fun version of FV 4005

candid bronze
#

im in the middle of like 4 or 5 tech trees rn im so cooked

candid bronze
safe acorn
candid bronze
#

dumping a clip into someone for 1500 sure is fun, yeah, but when u peek u get tunnelled so wildly it makes it hard to even do the spotting job of a medium tank

#

plus after u dump ur clip u gotta run away for 25 seconds and its like impossible to support ur medium teammates in that time so u get cooked pretty fast

errant oak
safe acorn
candid bronze
#

isnt the bc just a better and smaller version of the tvp

#

like if the bc had four shots in its clip and the clip reload time was changed to 25 seconds like the tvp id still choose bc in a heartbeat

violet timber
safe acorn
#

Wasnt there smth about the Chieftain's weird turret profile getting a buff so it's actually uniform

quick kindle
#

Bro the panther SUCKS

safe acorn
slow coyote
#

Nah panther it's just max mod it's fast reload and speed good

wary summit
#

Someone got Panther'd

quick kindle
#

nope in tier 7 panther, my rng sucks for no absolute reason

violet timber
#

That’s just you coping, your rng is the same as everyone else’s

quick kindle
#

And its the same with Bz-75

wary summit
#

Panther paradox in Blitz's form

slow coyote
#

Good bye tanker cat see you soon 🙂

wary summit
#

👋

slow coyote
#

See you tomorrow 🙂

errant oak
safe acorn
merry creek
sleek gorge
#

What does Neutering mean?

wary summit
sleek gorge
#

Like removing dpm from a leopard?

wary summit
#

Yeah

sleek gorge
#

So like, removing the main reason of why you choose a tank over another tank, i see

errant oak
river quartz
errant oak
river quartz
candid bronze
#

kranvagn is a real good tank but i seem to get bad teammate luck whenever i use it so ive lost a lot of interest in it

nocturne smelt
#

Which tanks gun are you talking about

#

Alpha damage can be funny sometimes

But there are specific tanks that actually have unjust alpha for varying shell types

Hori I would say is fine since I wouldn’t risk using HE from long range

I’d much rather use standard or even prammo ap to confirm a shell

#

I know my shell damage I’ve played the game long enough

#

I think there are other factors of a tank that decides whether the gun can be capable too.

#

Imma finish my movie.

Not gonna answer a question you and I both know the answer to

#

cool

But can I watch my movie in peace now

honest tinsel
#

How is LTTB nowadays, I remember times when it had a huge frontal armor and 60km/h while shooting like a king. But a lot of people were asking for a nerf. So how it it after those years?

candid bronze
#

F: 125 (didnt full pen 🫠)

solid gate
violet timber
#

Its base accuracy and otm factors aren’t really an issue, meaning the aimtime really won’t affect it. And it’s also getting gear oil, tungsten is a very good consumable, and HESH will allow it to output even more damage when played properly. The only way it’s neutered is if you’re bad at the game.

rancid yarrow
#

Just researched 113G FT. It is good triangle or rather nah?

errant oak
#

buff E100 like this

ruby mason
narrow gust
#

Um guys, am I safe? Or Should I leave the Country!?!

viscid jay
#

YT family " en sala de entrenamiento "

narrow gust
#

Wargaming is cooking.

idle cipher
#

spotted this t42 for the first time, is it rare?

meager spindle
#

it's rare because it's mid and most people sold it, otherwise no

north cape
#

Keiler or Action X?

plucky summit
#

Depends, do you want to play defensively or aggressively?

north cape
#

i chose action x already thanks tho

violet timber
#

Keiler is better overall

solid gate
harsh elm
#

the normal caernarvon is better

blissful cave
#

Pick whichever you like more : )

errant oak
celest pawn
fierce estuary
#

This is a weird Amx50

#

I would call it Amx-130

ashen crown
#

Amx-13-120

fervent elm
#

AMX-20b

long hearth
#

Bruh, wg gotta be smoking rn

honest tinsel
#

Just got K91. How is it?

long hearth
honest tinsel
long hearth
fervent elm
river quartz
ruby crater
#

What tank do i get?

toxic pawn
#

how

violet timber
rotund gull
#

TigerSus i guess good but its not a tech tree tank

long hearth
long hearth
rotund gull
ancient adder
#

Hi, any idea what time the 114 SP2 container shows up, this time Chinese serve already have it...

solid gate
#

i heard that T-54 was that strong that it could fight on par with tier 10 tanks

is that still true or now T-54 is worser?

wary summit
long hearth
ancient adder
blissful cave
#

Bruh…
I maxed out the entire awesome draw and only one tank drop the entire time which was just a tier 5 duplicate

river quartz
blissful cave
#

Great for you

gloomy patrol
#

why am I getting so much credits with the sheridan missile? I am doing way more damage and assist with other tanks

prisma mural
languid spindle
#

When)?!

wary summit
# languid spindle When)?!

Could be Black Friday, could be Christmas

Doesn't matter since it's going to be underwhelming despite it's popularity

solid gate
honest tinsel
solid gate
honest tinsel
wary summit
#

Trolling or misinformation

Call it

honest tinsel
solid gate
brave prism
#

I got the M60 from the Awesome Draw, should i sell it or keep it?

strange yoke
stoic finch
#

poison on wz 113 gft at big boss should be ilegal🙏

paper wraith
#

Is the gsor fearless any good?

icy wadi
solid gate
#

My suggestion for Minotauro rebalance

  • Nerf lower plate and cupola base armor to 150mm, this will make them both viable weakspots for mediums
  • Belly armor to 30mm so it can be overmatched when say driving over a hill, and not lead to an awkward autobounce
  • Nerf armor above tracks to 30mm so u can pen it through the tracks when its driving over a hill
  • Buff turret front from 240mm to 260mm so u are less likely to get buttered by tier 10 heavies running cali, making it a more skill based tank and not pure braindead gameplay - u wont be invincible in hulldown as ur cupolas are mostly autopens, which encourages cupola blocking and wiggling
    If this is implemented, it might be possible to slightly increase hull traverse and or top speed which should ideally encourage more aggro gameplay
fossil moth
#

If i buy this skin will it be available for original progeto 46?

#

Maybe stupid question but I realy want to buy it and don't know if I need different tank

raw dust
fossil moth
#

Niceeee ty

echo isle
candid bronze
#

emil 1951 has mid armor ngl

#

its an emil thats bad at doing what emils do

rotund gull
#

Swiss or other Countrys tech tree lines bevor GTA 6

blissful cave
#

Doubt we’ll get new countries when they refuse to even add a second line to Sweden or split up EU : (

fossil moth
#

Sheeeeesh what a drop

candid bronze
merry creek
#

lol

blissful cave
#

Entire awesome draw+crates that came in those crates+chief bundle only a single tier 5 duplicate myhonestreaction

fossil moth
candid bronze
#

of course

candid bronze
#

draws are super good until they start costing like 400 gold or more

#

i wouldve had 3k gold but the last two draws i rolled i got two legendary avatar containers 💀

arctic hare
#

Draws are rigged

candid bronze
#

lol

#

my first three draws i got 1 mystery box and 3 mega containers so i prob shoulda stopped there but oh well

jovial roost
#

I want to collect all the best tank in each of these categories I’m just not sure what tanks they are or if I have the right tanks:

Heres the list so far:

Highest top speed:

Fastest acceleration: m41 bulldog ✅

Fastest rotation: t54 lightweight ✅

Fastest turret rotation speed: Ru251 ✅

Fastest reload: Churchill ✅

Largest: Maus ✅

Most armoured: Maus ✅

Most Hp: Maus ✅

Smallest: Ue57 ✅

Most damage: FV215b 183 ✅

Most concealment: E25 ❌

Highest penetration: Ho-ri ❌

If you know any of the tanks/ if I got any of the tank wrong can you please tell me.

Thanks

jovial roost
#

Thanks

odd cove
#

smallest is ue, no?

jovial roost
blissful cave
#

Yea

jovial roost
odd cove
harsh elm
blissful cave
#

rarest tank

blissful cave
#

Depends
Rarest tank Ke ni otsu (never sold again)
Rarest obtainable tank AE Phase 1

jovial roost
harsh elm
harsh elm
odd cove
jovial roost
jovial roost
odd cove
jovial roost
merry creek
jovial roost
#

Does anyone know which tank has the fastest rotation speed

jovial roost
meager spindle
meager spindle
#

use the improved control

jovial roost
jovial roost
merry creek
#

There adding sandbag to e50m

jovial roost
merry creek
#

Nice

candid bronze
#

88 holy

merry creek
#

183 needs little damage nerf bye 30 or 40

jovial roost
candid bronze
#

bro can do a 360 in 4 seconds

brittle fjord
#

cant wait for droodles to make the balance changes

candid bronze
#

imagine being in a dpm battle and u do a 360 mid fight between shots 😭😭😭

tall current
#

What tank should i sell for gacha

candid bronze
#

for what 💀

tall current
candid bronze
#

why u call it gacha

candid bronze
tall current
#

Ah ok

tall current
candid bronze
#

e6 is such a good tank

tall current
candid bronze
#

yeah e6 is a medium tank disguised as a heavy

#

its maneuverability + dpm + weird armor makes it a good support for medium/light tanks

merry creek
#

Sell t25

candid bronze
# ashen tartan Would you sell any of these?

well dont sell premiums, they might be turned into collectors jn the future and selling them for credits just isnt worth it
id say selling magnate, e10, and blasteroid isnt worth it, but the other collectors id sell if i was in need of gold
if u arent in need of gold at the moment there isnt much use for selling them, just save the tanks so u can play them if u wanted to and so u can save that gold for a moment u actually need it

ashen tartan
#

Ok, thanks

dusty compass
#

Do we need the char 2c

wary summit
#

Even if they do, good luck waiting in the forever unending queue for a miserable match

dusty compass
#

It would be like the tog 2

#

But slower

wary summit
#

Much unfun

marsh glade
#

I heard next update the chieftain mk6 is getting it’s premium shell replaced with HESH, which I think is interesting but please wargaming just give it 2 guns like the FV4202, some people will love hesh, others not so much!

marsh glade
#

lol

safe acorn
honest tinsel
#

I have decided to go for all tech tree med, light and heavy. And last tech tree for me is russians where I currently have to play Kv-1 into tier 6.... And it is hella pain. 😄 This tank is extremly slow, so since tier 6 and 5 players play like rush and win/lose. Then you ussualy are a lot behind them... + When you get into fight as almostly last surviving tank you have easy spots for tier 6 to get clamped.... This tank feels totally bad. :/

#

PS: I played even mitsu and Japanese heavy till tier8 and have to say it gave me better feelings

plucky summit
#

KV-1 is 30% as good as it used to be

honest tinsel
plucky summit
#

That’s just unlucky

ebon thistle
#

Is it worth to buy this perks on emil. Btw emil 1951 is my favorite premium

deep belfry
fast glade
#

how do i get the 114 SP2 its the only t10 i need

quartz atlas
#

Buy it once it comes out again

paper wraith
#

do batchats have are like unable to miss

#

in 2 games ive seen batchats hit like 7 one in a million bullets, hittign a small point through the whole map

sly oxide
#

N

serene moss
#

Whats the best td line to grind? i have usa td line unlocked they were pretty fun. i thought about doing another td line or even a heavy line

jaunty meteor
#

oh boy...

near berry
#

Is obj. 267/4 better than vk. 90.01 p or amx 30 and if not is vk. Better than amx?

ember yarrow
safe acorn
#

<@&481447501690568709>

vale wraith
#

What would you think of a 2 shell autoloader gun for the vz55 Like there is one in WoT?

vivid lava
#

Does anyone have the screenshot s of "balance " changes.

honest tinsel
#

Is grille 15 tierX and Minotaurio worth to grind for someone not familiar with TD role? Like can they be driven as heavy? 😄 🤣😂

pulsar temple
#

which gun for the M-Y-Yoh? the 3 shot or 2 shot?

merry creek
#

@pulsar temple M-Y-Yoh has 3 or 4 shots

pulsar temple
#

sorry M-V-Yoh T9 heavy

#

it has 2 differnt 3 shot and 1 2 shot gun

sharp sigil
#

what's the betst 10tier tank?(not prem)

#

help someone

pulsar temple
opaque star
#

ok guys i accidentally sold my amx 30 1er prototype, i I couldn't get it back anyway (i tried) so I decided to gamble my way out of it (as one does) and after at some time i got object 752. Is it better than that amx or did i lost my gold forever

wary summit
#

You just got the best tier 9 around

safe acorn
opaque star
#

Gamblers mindset

safe acorn
#

Pls
Bajo Jajo skin for CS-63

errant oak
merry creek
#

@errant oak what you laughing at punk

violet timber
#

M-Y-Yoh doesn’t exist

merry creek
#

M-V-yoh

violet timber
#

Also, M-V-Yoh doesn’t have a 4 shot gun

merry creek
#

Look at M-IV-YOH 4 shots

stoic finch
#

this vehicle should not be let as boss

oak orchid
#

Yeah if a doom tutel gets it just give up this is why

violet timber
merry creek
#

@violet timber still copy tank

wary summit
#

PC finally pushing to get their EK1

#

Armament is similar to ours, 105mm compared to RU's and Lesta's 152mm

violet timber
long hearth
#

Is it just me or we can't use camo on custom battle

long hearth
dusky tartan
#

weirest trio

violet timber
hybrid violet
#

How much does vk 168 cost in the shop and when does he usually show up?

icy wadi
#

it usually is sold when gravity is up and costs 5,5k

valid gale
valid ivy
strange hill
#

real

oak orchid
#

Point of this from a wot video?

#

Anyone know what the tank was supposed to be? Or if it was gonna be a Camo?

valid gale
violet timber
valid gale
#

AND IT GETS MORE DEP

valid gale
# wary summit

So it has garbage stats for a 105mm
The 152mm has more gun depression and MORE dpm and the exact same speed

rotund gull
rotund gull
icy wadi
oak orchid
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A dth str said I suck as boss then I locked in and got 3 ammo racks 17k damage 9 kills

oak orchid
gilded sage
# wary summit

The lesta version is more advanced lmao. In WOT PC it looks more balanced compared to WG version (I haven't tried WOT blitz by lesta) but I wouldn't be surprised if the same happens in WOT Blitz

icy wadi
gilded sage
icy wadi
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yes lesta blitz

gilded sage
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later i will try it

velvet monolith
storm thicket
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Is this a good deal I already have 5100 gold

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I also seem to have the barrikade camp for the vk leopard despite never buying it?

obsidian coral
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Is the 30b a good tank?

storm thicket
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It’s a French leopard with more annoying armor

lyric oriole
simple pasture
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I’m loosing my mind bro

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E50m getting reactive armour and t110e4 getting sandbags… that’s crazy

dapper whale
simple pasture
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Not to mention e50m getting armour buff

native solstice
wary summit
obsidian coral
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Is the ARL 44 an OP tank?

hot raft
wary summit
tulip steppe
hollow crag
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Wz 113 (Chinese heavy) line any good

tulip steppe
tulip steppe
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oh sorry yea the tier 8,9,10 are good, nothing mind blowing but good, i cant remember the tiers 5,6,7 though

obsidian coral
storm thicket
dapper whale
long hearth
plucky sun
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between T57, VK72, Ho Ri, which one is more intermediate player friendly? (abt 5-6k battle experience)

plucky sun
plucky sun
wary summit
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Requires serious repositioning since they took away the armour from the PBR buff but forgor to give it the decent mobility it had prior to the buff

violet timber
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It’s mobility really hasn’t been touched since release

broken pawn
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Guy to day i open mystery citificate and got the VK 90.01 p

rapid isle
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I just got this tank, any tips?

tulip steppe
rapid isle
tulip steppe
limpid ibex
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I got the E75, and I already unlocked the Maybach engine and Turret E75 aufs. B what should I grind next? The reinforced tracks or the 128mm gun?

zenith belfry
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why is there an asterisk in tog ii*

tulip steppe
golden brook
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should I sell my AX and T44-85 to buy the e25 and kunze panzer bundle?

golden brook
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but I really want the e25

zenith belfry
golden brook
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ok

tulip steppe
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t44-85 bravery? thats a good t7 mediums

zenith belfry
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buy t77 instead (if you have enough gold)

violet timber
limpid ibex
slow coyote
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Just use max tier 10 gun 12.8cm for E75 anyways

zenith belfry
limpid ibex
long hearth
zenith belfry
long hearth
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I got this three, and I still didn't even get chieftain mk6 💀, although for alpha predator gacha it's quite lucky

slow coyote
limpid ibex
tulip steppe
long hearth
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My guy, should I get the fv4202?

zenith belfry
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war gaming should add the tog i

violet timber
long hearth
limpid ibex
zenith belfry
long hearth
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Brits is the only country I haven't got tier 10 with tho, how about this 183mm then

slow coyote
tulip steppe
limpid ibex
slow coyote
zenith belfry
tulip steppe
limpid ibex
slow coyote
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How much? 500 battles or something?

long hearth
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And I forget about stock tutel's avg spd is literally 3💀

slow coyote
slow coyote
# limpid ibex Sure 🙂

No problem 🙂 I have already E100 and E 50 M from grind also Sherdian Missile and FV4005 Henhouse

slow coyote
limpid ibex
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One question, is Skoda T 56 a decent tank to use because I have it in my garage rn

sinful lark
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I sold my pz.II.J

slow coyote
limpid ibex
sinful lark
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I have a question

slow coyote
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Or blitzkit

sinful lark
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AC IV Sentinel :[

slow coyote
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Oh ok

wary summit
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@valid gale took a bit longer than expected but I finally got the AS-90

I now have 2 British lobbers from the contracts augh

calm gyro
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Yo guys with the upcoming nerf for the stb1 is it worth it to grind the tank?