vehicles-discussion

[gray wraith]

you're essentially calling every tank, except the most meta "bad"

[violet timber]

Now tell me where I said that?

I genuinely can't explain the Sheri winrate graph though, got me stumped there

[gray wraith]

just like the tvp, both of those tanks perform below average in winrate

[violet timber]

TVP performs significantly worsses than average which is why I call it bad, E5 does not perform significantly worse. Your extrapolation skills are lacking

[gray wraith]

data for the 140 is too noisy, but 60-75% players also perform below their medium average in the leo

the dip around 50% is worthless, but 60-80% players are also below both the medium average for all players, and their medium average

[rapid field]

Collector compensation un crédits ???

I have just won the Panther M10 tank that I already own in my garage. It’s a collector and the compensation was in credits… is it normal ? I thought compensation would have been in gold… I did a ticket (ID 146187211) to understand what happened.. does anyone encounter this situation ???
Feedbacks ???
Thanks..

[violet timber]

You see the clear rise in skill though. And the average damage graph shows that better players deal more damage

[gray wraith]

268v4 data is nonexistent, but I'd also except 70-80% players to go below their td average in it

[safe cedar]

Because during the sbmm update sheridan was simply bad.

[gray wraith]

winrate is more relevant than damage output for tank performance

[violet timber]

Let's look at a similar tank to the TVP then, shall we?

[gray wraith]

prog is a meta tank
doesn't make tanks below the average "bad", or even "not good"

[violet timber]

No way you just said that

[violet timber]

Tanks below the average are quite literally not good. Below average is that, below average. That's not good.

[gray wraith]

that would mean that a significant part of tanks are not good, simply because meta tanks push the average up

[violet timber]

Not at all, the average is still the average. TVP manages to get far below the average, so it is bad.

[safe cedar]

Actually the prog is pretty solid rn as the equipment changes were strongly in its favor.

[quick heath]

Isn’t meta mostly collector or premiums

[safe cedar]

LMAO, no not even remotely. Most meta tanks are tech tree.

[quick heath]

How? Just want to know

[gray wraith]

if the hill I'm dying on is controversial, yours is incredibly and utterly worthless

[quick heath]

List some meta tanks

[violet timber]

I enjoy Prog a lot, but calling it meta is wild

[gray wraith]

e5 (I love the e5)
is7, type, stb

[violet timber]

I’m not sure what the meta is shaping up to rn, but 113gft, VK72, BatChat

[gray wraith]

mino, 113gft, vk72, vk90, batchat, 140

[safe cedar]

1. AP + HEAT pen buffs, both things prog needed
2. Vents buff
3. Prog already has bad dispersion, but had unsavable gun handling so refined helped it.
4. Prog never relied on armor thickness so cali changes were irrelevant.

[quick heath]

Oh ok

[quick heath]

I’d say e6, obj 777, kran(tech tree), amx mile, super conq

[gray wraith]

tds (other than the 113gft) might finally make a much needed appearance in the meta, sadly we're probably not going to see paper tds

[torn flare]

Guys, I'm from Russia, help me throw me a donation for the game from your card, it doesn't work from our Russian card, you get a gift from me of $ 2 for this

[gray wraith]

777 made a brief appearance in the tournament meta, before quickly vanishing

[quick heath]

Ik

[gray wraith]

HE CALLED THE MLE META

[quick heath]

Yes, it is or was meta

[gray wraith]

it's been eons since

[torn flare]

Please 🙏

[safe cedar]

Did you actually just call AMX m4 54 meta...

@violet timber
@plucky summit
@subtle lynx
@meager spindle
Check this joker out.

[gray wraith]

no

[torn flare]

@gray wraith why?)

[safe cedar]

Bros stuck in 2021.

[quick heath]

I saw JKR and ORI use amx MLE idk how long ago that match was played

[quick heath]

Prolly

[safe cedar]

Its not meta dude, it one of the bottom of the barrel tanks.

[gray wraith]

still good tho

[quick heath]

They nerfed it that bad?

[safe cedar]

yep.

[quick heath]

U had to ping 4 ppl for that?

[safe cedar]

absolutely, I probably should have pinged more.

[gray wraith]

you're gonna get mauled when they get there

[quick heath]

U prolly narcissistic eh?

[safe cedar]

Very much so

[gray wraith]

he's trolling, we were discussing important matters and you busted into the room holding a literal turd as if it was made of solid gold

[safe cedar]

Not really, you can make it work, but its definitely a sub-optimal choice without any Raison d'être.

[quick heath]

How does discussing on WR or other stuff benefit you and if it doesn’t why call it important?

[meager spindle]

dawg i be a mimir

[safe cedar]

?

[meager spindle]

in the middle of the woods, resting

[gray wraith]

is that an actual loanword they stole from us ?

my whole point in the above argument was that even "below average"/"non-meta" tanks were good, because you can still perform well in them

[safe cedar]

🗿

[gray wraith]

we were discussing the meaning of the word good according to plato applied to tanks, and if it included only the bestest of the best tanks, or anything that wasn't outright irrelevant

[safe cedar]

Wdym

[gray wraith]

"raison d'être"

[quick heath]

Doesn’t answer my question

[gray wraith]

broadening your understanding of the game is important

[quick heath]

Unless ur gonna base your life on wotb

[safe cedar]

Oh, checked your profile, of course your french. I just assumed you were british and were implying the french word derived from the english one, a truly terrifying premise.

But yes, it is a loan word, however they both developed independently from the same stem.

[gray wraith]

I don't learn because it benefits me, I learn because I can learn

[quick heath]

Mate from important to learning

[safe cedar]

I have a feeling this whole argument was based off the same viewpoint being described using different terminology, lol.

[quick heath]

Well learning is good, but saying important when it actually isn’t and you know you aren’t gonna base your life on wotb is defending yourself don’t you think?

[gray wraith]

I'm specializing in math
you could call math useless, and if I end up working in CS, I'm probably not going to use it
this doesn't take away from the fact that I enjoy learning about more advanced math

[quick heath]

Good for you I must say.

[safe cedar]

Bros gonna end up being the new french ballistic computer inside Caesar.

[tulip steppe]

why did they name it that , I thought Caesar was hated there

[safe cedar]

???

[safe cedar]

What are you talking about.

Caesar had been dead for 800 years by the time France came into existence.

[gray wraith]

astérix

[tulip steppe]

ya but I thought versengetorix or whatever was from the now France area and Caesar was kind of a .... to those people

[gray wraith]

that's history
why would I get mad over history

[safe cedar]

True

[safe cedar]

thats an extremely crude understanding, but the gauls, a celtic people who lived in the region of France bear little relation to modern "French people".

[safe cedar]

Seriously, especially history from over 2000 years ago.

[tulip steppe]

alright guess I had it wrong , I thought they had a statue of him there and were acknowledging that , maybe I'm thinking of

[blissful cave]

Todays tank of the day is MBT(MR) Compact Turret

[meager spindle]

m60 starsht with a 105mm:

[bronze jolt]

…this is a typo right?

[violet timber]

No

[bronze jolt]

Is there some other soft stat itd increasing?

[violet timber]

Nope

[tulip steppe]

i would think it has to affect power/weight and probably a a small terrain nudge

[vagrant geode]

pershin worth it or nah?

[plucky summit]

No

[balmy compass]

I bought that :p

[plucky summit]

Sorry for your loss

[balmy compass]

Nah I love the Super Pershing, my next favorite tank after Lansen C tbh

[plucky summit]

Oh no it even brainwashed you

[tulip steppe]

fully equipped and 30 days, id say its worth it, not many players like it because its a slower medium

[balmy compass]

But it’s funny blocking shells from upper tier TDS
And it looks amazing

[modest talon]

refined or vstab on prog 65?

[broken hornet]

worth?

[tulip steppe]

114 is not everyone's favourite, i like it but you need to be good at bounces shells. 122-tm has a descent gun and armour but mobility is mid.

[violet timber]

I’d say yeah

[rare wyvern]

What is the price of carro 45t

Without camo

[sacred karma]

Why must you do this to me WeeGee?!?!
You have to pay a massive amount of your saved gold to get the Camo for certain tanks!!!
Why!?!?!

[sacred karma]

The 122 TM has such a nice camoi want it, but my gold count is almost exactly the price of the Bundle

I already have the 122, but the Camo...it's soooo pretty

[hollow crag]

How do I grind credits fast? I need 3m for a jagdtiger and I’m at 1m rn

[safe acorn]

Prem tanks
Prem time
Credit boosters
Have great skills

[digital turtle]

any tips to which type of tank to use for burning games? not sure if more hp is better, more damage is better, or maybe a bit of both idk

[robust orchid]

Anything that has good Alpha and post-penetration damage

[safe acorn]

@blissful cave I got it

[digital turtle]

there is a difference?

[robust orchid]

Post Penetration damage is the damage your shell does to the internal modules and crew after a successful penetration, like ammorack damage, gun damage, optic damage, engine damage and fuel tank damage

[wary summit]

Anything that has good alpha and reload rate will be good enough

[safe acorn]

You could just say module damage

Ie Big guns

[digital turtle]

yeah i know nothing about that on any tank. stats i dont bother trying to remember.

[safe acorn]

Just get tanks with a balance of alpha and dpm and you're fine

Either that or your best performing tank

[quick heath]

How do I know which tank has good PP damage?

[onyx dragon]

What you guys think about the Rino?

[robust orchid]

Click their cannon modules in the tech tree and look at the details, that or go to blitzhangar.com, choose the vehicle you want to see, click the cannon module and just scroll down

[quick heath]

Aight thanks

[safe acorn]

Bruh WoTB doesn't tell you module damage

Only Blitzhanger

[robust orchid]

Mb 💀

[safe acorn]

@robust orchid @nocturne mirage @blissful cave such a bomb first page

Need to save up for Firepower Volume 2 for that 150 tonne super heavy tank design

Wait what

There were tests for Persing to use a high powered 76.2mm gun

[robust orchid]

150 ton Superheavy

Great, let's use a couple of 500hp engines to power it like they did the T28/95

[safe acorn]

Appreciate the M46 having busted mobility for a late 1940s vehicle

M46 with IR searchlights
Looks really weird

Huh T42's first requirement draft was to have an autoloader and a stereoscopic rangefinder
Plus a stabilized gun

It was also recommended by a British officer to use their 20pdr gun instead of an American 90mm

That changed when the Americans made their own 90mm that could shoot APDS rounds

[turbid peak]

W/L?

[valid ivy]

Not worth it ,L

[robust orchid]

Definitely not worth it kek

[waxen anvil]

For Strv k Gun rammer or Calibrated shell?

[robust orchid]

Rammer

[lyric ruin]

since rammer got nerfed you can also use cali

[hybrid kraken]

i mean everyone who use it also gets nerfed so u not left behind

[safe acorn]

I realized smth
Back on the first pic, the requirements to have a 76mm gun that could penetrate 200mm at 30°, 1km away is wild

That's even stronger than what the KwK 42 L/70 could do

[lyric ruin]

yes

[blissful cave]

Yooo
T54E1/E2 page? : D

[safe acorn]

No spoilers
So I'll post it when I get there

(Pretty close, I stopped at T69's development)

[blissful cave]

Agh I want to see the whole book so bad lmao

[safe acorn]

Time to scan 480 pages

[blissful cave]

If there’s any also any concepts/obscure prototypes that are not in the game can I see em in case it’s one I may not have seen before

[safe acorn]

Literally my first photo
45ton tank concept right after WW2

[safe cedar]

M46 mobility wasnt "busted" at all.

[blissful cave]

Well maybe not that literally

[safe cedar]

Literally got walked by AMX m4.

[blissful cave]

Yees that ones really cool

…wait request for a 150 ton super heavy?!

[safe acorn]

Would get smoked by a flanking duster

[safe cedar]

"Tell me you know nothing about the military without telling me you know nothing about the military."

[safe acorn]

Yeah I remembered WoT's wishlist page having a pic of it

I'm lazy to go back there

[safe acorn]

French army couldn't take the German embarrassment any longer so they started stealing German ideas

@blissful cave AGF 150 tonne
Scrapped after a few months of studying

[blissful cave]

Ohh yea I’ve seen that one I just didn’t know it was 150 tons

[safe acorn]

Uses the same gun as the T92 HMC btw

Wait a sec...
This is literally the KV-6, it uses parts from other MTs plus the T29 into one vehicle

[safe cedar]

lol, goes to show just how little you know.

[safe acorn]

There's no pic of the 75 tonne proposal or the 25 tonne proposal

@blissful cave I would've liked WG to added the first T42 iteration with the massive rangefinder

(could get an autoloading feature like it was planned to irl)

[turbid peak]

how much do yall think the AMX 13 57 should be

also i’m hella tempted to buy it

[balmy compass]

3k gold imo

[nocturne mirage]

This is DCS boys💪 this is the mission editor, you can literally mke tanks fight tanks, some panzer IVs with REAL camouflages engaging shermans lol.

[stiff depot]

new tier X tank spotted 116-F3 in WOT blitz?

[wary summit]

Yep, still in testing

[violet timber]

T-10M wins by a landslide

T-10M was the last upgrade package of the T-10 that essentially just made it better than any other heavy at the time. Add on the fact that it got improved rounds to deal with the lackluster performance of the gun and it is overall the best

[paper wraith]

best t10s currently? like 10 or so

[remote dust]

Italian heavies worth grinding?

[paper wraith]

someone said its good so idk?

[remote dust]

I asked for actual opinions, thank you very much…

[violet timber]

Yes

[remote dust]

Armor on the turret any good? I kinda feel like it’s just a premium magnet and barely any hull-down capable

[tidal fable]

It is a prammo magnet

[violet timber]

When using gun dep only TDs can go through

[stiff sparrow]

Sheridan missile is probably coming back this update!!!

[tight kite]

Hi all

[tawdry cape]

Hi

[cobalt thistle]

When can I next buy the chieftain MK6?

[elfin shadow]

Question witch one is scarier

[glad trellis]

Newest one

[turbid peak]

bald ahh IS-3

the SU-100Y looked way better with the golden title bruh

[tepid lily]

The T-90

[tulip steppe]

I guess if you consider the dates the is3 of you only had a Pershing active to go up against it

[violet timber]

IS-3

[gray wraith]

just stumbled upon the most braincell-lacking individuals I've ever seen, they pulled a message containing random junk about how HEAT worked and said that "it was written by someone at wegee and therefore it must be right"
also apparently pen loss over distance is now called shell normalization, and shell normalization is "negating armor angling"

[lyric copper]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-falling-fast-gif-18043850

[safe acorn]

Jack in the box

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[blissful cave]

Todays tank of the day is the TAM

[tepid lily]

Still scarier than the IS-3

[safe cedar]

Lol

[safe acorn]

WT has made me learn how to hate TAM users with a passion

[wary summit]

One is an upgraded cow from the 70's

The other scared the West into creating 167 different designs to counter it

[errant oak]

i wanted to be TAM user IRL

[safe acorn]

Remember kids

Metal Gear Solid officially has a pike nose T-72 you can call for support

[idle axle]

Which tanks can pen an enhanced armor rinocentauro turret?

[errant oak]

i love it

[violet timber]

Not quite a T-72, closest turret shape is T-80 tbh

[safe acorn]

T-72 inspired more of

Doesn't fit the turret shape of both T-72 and T-80

[violet timber]

T-80 is much closer to what it is

[safe acorn]

Do it tho?

[violet timber]

Yeah, T-80's turret comes in at the bottom instead of flaring out

[safe acorn]

Mmm maybe
And I'm reintroduced to the T-72/Leopard 1 amalgamation

[safe acorn]

@blissful cave T69 had an autoloader that could accommodate an rpm of 33

M47's such a beaut

So M47 could successfully mount any 105mm gun and the better German Mb 837 engine found on the Panzer 61

A US upgrade study after seeing the M47 was being upgraded by other countries worldwide in 1968

[wary summit]

If only WG would add an actual 105mm gun on our "M46" Patton that isn't post-war but nearly L7 standard like nearly all other tier 9s

[safe acorn]

And yeah apparently US helped to upgrade Israeli M47's to the M60A3 standard

[safe acorn]

Sad that the M46 with a 105mm gun on it wasn't real
Would be cool

[blissful cave]

I’m so excited for T54E1 page

[safe cedar]

Rpm of 33 sounds like BS tbh

[safe cedar]

It is tho...

[safe acorn]

That the M47

[safe acorn]

Well it's in the documents

[safe cedar]

Derp gun:

[safe acorn]

Howitzer*

[lament mango]

I've gone toe to toe with a 60TP and killed it with minimal damage, the IS-7 is goated against 60TPs

[tulip steppe]

if is7 vs 60t are face hugging , the 60 cant pen reliably anywhere, and that reload, where is7 goes through 60 hull with prammo or vision port with standard

[polar lodge]

If only 60tp have more pen, heck if only it had some degree of reliability on the armor department

[plucky summit]

Avoid polling in the server

[harsh elm]

just give the 60tp the pc armour profile instant fix

[lyric tangle]

JOIN PLATOON 1 IF YOU WANT TO PLATOON!! must be asia server

[inner fulcrum]

Need to play in a clan FXFX The main thing is to play and complete the clan task To Asia Doesn't matter the percentage of the game

[naive lion]

Is SU-100Y good tank?
👍 for yes
👎 for no

[wary summit]

[naive lion]

👍

[naive lion]

.

[solid gate]

👍 and its even better if you brawl with it

[naive lion]

Aight

[edgy umbra]

Is this tank good?

[tulip steppe]

its good but i don't know how many times you spun to get it,

[edgy umbra]

6 times

[naive lion]

HUH

6?!

[edgy umbra]

Yeah

[tulip steppe]

that's not bad, it has an accurate gun but i dont know if it will bounce anything anymore will new cali, id say its in my top t7 meds

[edgy umbra]

I don't know if I got profit or no

[wary summit]

If you put in less than 2.5k, yes

If you put more than 2.5k, no

[tulip steppe]

if you paid around 5k that's not bad if you play a lot of tier 7

[edgy umbra]

2030 gold

[tulip steppe]

ya thats a good deal imo

[wary summit]

Yeah that's a pretty good pull

[edgy umbra]

Noice

[safe acorn]

@blissful cave something of interest to you

In short, composite armor study for the M48 Patton

Yooo ain't no way

The M41 had a proposed autoloader variant of its 76mm
They wanted to carry this to the M48 Patton

alright I'm here, I've seen T54 in the caption for one of the pics
@blissful cave

[safe acorn]

Patton the Tank is real

[prime oar]

Why T32 got buffed hmm... Like it is already good, u know...

[nocturne mirage]

Exquitite marksmanship from this AI Wingman, I am out for the count and this bloke kills them all. Never turn fight a spitfire🤣 Even tho these are German Ta 192 fighters, they stood no chance against this AI teamate. Sheesh DCS is awsm for moments like this

[dim shard]

There's no such thing as "imo" in this scenario since it sells for 2.5k

[dim shard]

Because WG base their balancing decisions through performance and T32 is underperforming since it's played by new players

[nocturne mirage]

man tough bugger the spitty

[robust orchid]

E-79 when?

[ashen nexus]

i hate this tank

[errant oak]

Bc is bad?

[edgy umbra]

Left

[ashen nexus]

No.
It's actually too good and that's the problem.

[ashen nexus]

ok then let's investigate the black prince

[wary summit]

Anything with 210mm pen can jst butter through the AT-8

Too bad most tier 7 meds still suffer with ~200mm pen

It's always been good for the last few updates

[olive turret]

<@&481447501690568709>

[vague python]

why CS-52 lis now is blue?

[wary summit]

Lowe

There's also the Super Pershing, but with the state it's in, better go with Lowe

[rotund gull]

thats looks so wierd

i think its for the PC version a next Lootbox tank....

[exotic fog]

Please stick to general discussion for your video work @elfin shadow

That does not belong on this server @safe cedar

No swearing, even abbreviated @deep belfry

Other game videos < > wotb vehicles @nocturne mirage

[safe cedar]

?

[exotic fog]

??? And I was being nice ...

[safe cedar]

No, what was it? Im not sure.

[exotic fog]

So you don't even know what you post?

[safe cedar]

No? I dont remember everything I post... lol

[exotic fog]

Hint, the server is 13+ and what you posted is illegal most places

[safe cedar]

oh???

still have no clue what it is

[coarse blade]

Just tell him in his dms atp💀

[safe cedar]

He did

[lean kelp]

Vive la France.

[nocturne mirage]

Acrisis sorry for my language, here it goes. Why so stuck up the a++ now mate, no really till now I posted discussions about vehicles, wether they came from other games or not, along everyone else.

It was various gametypes, but the theme were always vehicles. This is unexeptable. You clearly don't see VEHICLE DISCUSSION on this channel. You mods meed a wake up call.

Ban if you want, this what you did was not cool. Banning me and my VEHICLE BASED CONTENT., get the freak out of here if you are that kind of mod

[blissful cave]

Oh yea I forgot to mention it here but I made yesterdays TOD post Conway

[nocturne mirage]

And you may scroll and scropl and scroll, they are there, a vehicle discussion channel, allows VEHICLES NOT MUST BE WOTB VEHICLES ACRISIS

[blissful cave]

Beeg gun
FV4005 jr

[violet timber]

The British needing the 120mm in service and like usual the heavy tank development is taking too long:

[nocturne mirage]

Reply, I want a logical reply

[thorny smelt]

FV4004 Conway~

[blissful cave]

Yea 4004 the step before FV4005
Well I guess it’s older than 4005 but still same concept but smaller

[robust orchid]

I just noticed that the Type 57 is severely lacking in the Firepower department, sub 2k DPM 💀

[wary summit]

Yeah most 127~130mm guns in tier 8 got abysmal DPM numbers

[robust orchid]

Even worse since its Standard AP shell is prone to being lowrolled for some reason on my side, literally sinking to ~360 dmg levels of lowroll

[foggy cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-patrick-bateman-gif-25746875

[gray wraith]

you are lowrolling 50% of your shells, and the damage rolls follow a uniform distribution from 322.5 to 537.5 hp
no one has "bad rng", no one has "good rng", the game isn't rigged

[foggy cloud]

Its rigged

[robust orchid]

That's what I said, my Type 57's Standard AP shots lowroll 💀

[nocturne mirage]

how to report a moderator?

[gray wraith]

why'd you want to report a moderator ?

[gray wraith]

it doesn't lowroll more or less than other tanks, it doesn't lowroll "around 360"

[nocturne mirage]

this acrises guy making a big scene for posting other games, but it has to do with vehicles none the less and deletes them. UP TO NOW, we have done this, posting WT stuff and others and nothing, now this dude shows up deleting my content I posted of DCS of the epicness of the tank fights there or planes for vehicles, VEHICLES. I am going to post it again, to hell with this

https://youtube.com/live/j-GvjB_ldX8 https://youtube.com/live/iuNghiU_efg

[lyric ruin]

would not recommend that. By doing it again it will be getting removed again and/or it can result in a mute

@exotic fog you dealt with this before

[nocturne mirage]

its not right, this is VEHICLE DISCUSSION, and nowhere did it say it had to be wot related, tired of this nonsense. a vehicle discussion is a vehicle discussion period. If this were an issue, then why till now with other videos was nothing said?

[gray wraith]

what you're posting isn't even about tanks

[nocturne mirage]

tanks

[tulip steppe]

why would you post again? doubt we'll see you back

[violet oak]

Guys which TD you suggest me, E3 ore Wz113

Both researched

[foggy cloud]

Wz better imo

[gray wraith]

113gft is amazing

[nocturne mirage]

In a vehicle discussion channel, I will post things vehicle related, and fine tanks. I wont be blocked by "must be wot" no where it says that here

[gray wraith]

you're in the world of tanks blitz discord, not the tanks discord

[nocturne mirage]

Then excuse me for being so confused, I am simply doing what others do to. up to now there have been posts of other games here for tank discussions. Not a bombardment thing.

[tulip steppe]

alright keep going with that attitude, guess we'll see how that works out for you

[thorny smelt]

🍿

[nocturne mirage]

What attitude now mate?

[harsh elm]

i mean people literally talk about other tanks in other games here sometimes lol

[robust orchid]

Well, it does in my experience but it's usually below 400 in lowrolls, something I should have described clearer earlier instead of putting 360 kek

[buoyant hound]

which one do u guys prefer ? i dont mind thick or thin armour or flexibility but which one is worthy ?

[nocturne mirage]

50

[robust orchid]

Either 50TP Prototyp or the BatChat

[buoyant hound]

aight 50tp armour kinda good, but not for prem shell, dpm and reload kinda ok

[nocturne mirage]

no armor good for prem lol

[buoyant hound]

batchat good for flanking right ? is batchat good penetration ?

[nocturne mirage]

not just flanks, going behind tank and giving a lot of damage

[lyric copper]

yeah because its job is to murder mediums

[gray wraith]

you have a 36% chance to roll below 400 damage

if you define lowrolls as "the lower 36 percentile", then it does lowroll below 400

[trail quest]

Bro just said that rolling low is a low roll 😟

[exotic fog]

What game do we all play?
What discord server are we on?
And, what is logically the main purpose of this channel?
Discussing vehicles that are in the game.

[gray wraith]

lowrolls don't exist, people just except to roll at least their alpha, when there is only a 50% chance for that to happen

[trail quest]

A low roll does exist bro. You legit just said it does

[nocturne mirage]

You may want to stick around then like a hawk, expect other games to be posted by others not wot related, just saying

[tulip steppe]

what? there's low/high rng on almost everything

[gray wraith]

you aren't lowrolling, you just happen to end up in the lower half of the uniform distribution
it's an expected outcome

[trail quest]

That’s like saying you’re not running just walking really fast. Bro a lower end damaging shot is a low roll. Just like a higher end shot is a high roll.

[gray wraith]

then every shot except for a roll perfectly on your alpha is a high/low roll

[exotic fog]

A mention or screenshot of a vehicle, of how something exists elsewhere. But posting several minute long YT videos showing other games or similuators seems quite out of context ...

[gray wraith]

people complain about lowrolls like they're unexpected, instead of properly calculating their damage rolls

[trail quest]

Bro is being so pretentious over this. Even that definition means you rolled lower than your average. Hence a low roll

[gray wraith]

then don't say "this guns lowrolls more than this gun", cause that's just not true

[trail quest]

I wasn’t bro. 🤭 just assigning the other dudes sayings to mine

[safe acorn]

Hello lads

[tulip steppe]

then why do we have a skill that every third penetration has a % chance it will roll max dmg

[gray wraith]

it's the 4th shot after 3 successful pens

[trail quest]

I am saying rolling lower than your average roll is a low roll. Regardless of how much. You are saying well yes but no. You can do the “um actually” 🤓 all you want it won’t change the communities grammar and how it is used on rolling below you average damage

[exotic fog]

Conclusion. It is a game mechanic, and low rolls happen.

[gray wraith]

I agree that you can define a lowroll as "rolling in the bottom X% of your damage", but people do not understand that damage rolls just follow a uniform distribution between 3/4 and 5/4 of your alpha

[tulip steppe]

don't nt you think this HE shell has a low and max possible dmg and rng on its pen

[gray wraith]

it's actually quite neat that wotinspector shows it properly, there's a non-0 chance that it rolls a pen value below what's needed to go through the turret

with cali, concept has 57 HE pen

129hp is the lowest possible roll for a non-penetration, 625 is the highest possible roll for a penetration

[robust orchid]

That was what I was trying to say, but me no good with numbers 💀

[tulip steppe]

ok so the way im reading this one is, its going to pen and 500 will be base and you can can roll low or high or anywhere +/- 125

[robust orchid]

But anyway, that begs the question... Don't the Tier VIII 125mm-130mm guns need some balancing changes?

Not nerfs, not buffs, just some balancing

[wary summit]

The one time the Abrams nearly got the long Rhm 120mm gun

[gray wraith]

t8 as a whole needs a lot of work

[gray wraith]

yup, 500 is the average roll, and it can deal between 3/4 and 5/4 of the average

[robust orchid]

That...I can actually wholeheartedly agree on, especially with the Medium Tanks

[robust orchid]

I always wondered why the US only stuck with the 120mm Rh 120 L/44 instead of upgrading to the new L/55, is it because of the ammo difference?

[gray wraith]

a lot of premiums need nerfs, a lot of older premiums have been powercrept, some tanks are straight up irrelevant and some are just copy pastes (cough cough URSS mediums)

[wary summit]

The US shrimply created better variants of the M829 to negate the need to use the long 120mm

[robust orchid]

So...they just upgraded the ammo? That being said, can the M829 and its variants (other US ammo) be used in the L/55 and vice versa?

[lyric copper]

yes due to STANAAG

[safe acorn]

Remember
The Ukrainians technically made T-72 firing 120mm NATO rounds possible

[buoyant hound]

guys, i saw so many carro, where did u guys get it ? is there event free carro ?

[safe acorn]

Why'd you think they'll be giving Carro 45T for free?

[lyric copper]

no, just that an event wil contain the Carro

[errant parcel]

chimera and M IV Yoh for 13.5k??

[lyric copper]

only chimera

[mossy inlet]

A hell lot of gambling i think

[graceful harness]

what compensation for tier 5?

[exotic fog]

https://na.wargaming.net/support/en/products/wotb/article/23202/

[graceful harness]

not current

[exotic fog]

Sorry ... 😬

[hollow crag]

Y’all do I go wt ritter or 50tp prototype?

[tepid lily]

Kinda too late for that question dawg 😭

[hollow crag]

Wdym

It says I can still purchase one of them so I wanna know which one is better

[balmy compass]

Waffle Ritter for fun
50TP Prot for wins

[tepid lily]

Which playstyle is preferable? Also I didn’t read the question properly

[hollow crag]

Tbh idk I’m currently at the jagdtiger so I’m thinking of getting a heavy cuz rn I Alr have tds

[tepid lily]

50TP Prototype has some armor and speed to bully mediums very easily. WT is pure DPM with camo

[hollow crag]

I think I might go 50tp prototype cuz I don’t have a high tier heavy yet

Also is the 50 tp prototype speed comparable to a medium or just way slower? Like could it be considered a heavium?

[tepid lily]

50 TP is pretty good. I got it during the first clan event and have been very satisfied playing it. It’s very fast, has a punchy gun has good turret armor and is lacking in hull armor. Also has decent gun depression of 8

[lyric copper]

it is the poster child for heaviums

[tepid lily]

It’s very fast and able to keep up with the slower medium tanks in the game

[balmy compass]

tungsten and gear oil make the 50TP Prot rly fun ngl

[hollow crag]

Alr thanks guys I think I’ll go for the 50tp prototype cuz it seems fun. Also I’m lowkey tired of sniping in tds so I just want some armor lol

[tepid lily]

Good choice. Hope you enjoy playing with it

[hollow crag]

Thank you for the advice on what to pick!

What’s best equipment for 50tp prototype

[hollow crag]

Ty

[balmy compass]

why not more HP?

[tepid lily]

Personally would switch out rammer for calibrated because that’s currently meta

[lyric copper]

youre murdering mediums

@tepid lily APCR prammo doesnt mean much

[hollow crag]

Hm Alr ty

[balmy compass]

the mediums can still penetrate your pikenose which is where you get shot at the most

[valid ivy]

More pen better

[lyric copper]

kid named hulldown

[balmy compass]

I never had a problem being hulldown against meds

[tepid lily]

Improved turret armor and decreases the rate of overmatches to the armor.
@lyric copper AP pen gets a significant buff. Plus 5% increase isn’t worth it compared to the pen increase as of this current update

[balmy compass]

what med is going to overmatch any turret armor plate 💀

[tepid lily]

For fighting against heavies and TDs with higher caliber guns. What do you do once you destroy all the mediums?

The 50TP is very versatile. The way I build it is to increase its versatility against all targets imo

[lyric copper]

win the game because you have extra mediums with you

[tepid lily]

To each to their own ig when it comes to the 50TP. It’s pretty good at fulfilling a bunch of roles

[balmy compass]

so Jagdtiger (for example) with prammo + cali only gets the cheeks as an additional weakspot
and it can't event overmatch the cupola which is 90mm thick

[lyric copper]

tfw 20 battles played in 50TPP
tfw 20 winstreak
tfw 100% wr

[tepid lily]

Based and redpilled

[lyric copper]

WG on their way to drop both the 50TPP and Ritter to only make the Avenir (which looked amazing pre-nerf) complete mid

[tepid lily]

Is that with hardened armor?

[balmy compass]

nope

[tepid lily]

Didn’t realize it was that good. But I want it even better 😈😈😈

[balmy compass]

so yeah it's more red but at least for me I'm not going to sit around or constantly poke a pre-aimed Jadgtiger and let him shoot my cheeks

[tepid lily]

Usually only go for extra HP when I can take sandbags with me

[balmy compass]

[tepid lily]

Jagdtiger with APCR?

[balmy compass]

nah, Ho-Ri 410mm AP lol
the other pics were Jagdtiger with APCR

[tepid lily]

One word: cooked

[balmy compass]

Ho-Ri is so funny with 410mm AP pen

[hollow crag]

Guys how should I play the 50tp prototype?

[balmy compass]

go medium side and destory everyone with superior alpha

[tepid lily]

Follow meds, use your HP and armor to exchange blows with mediums.

[hollow crag]

Alr ty also is the equipment I have rn fine?

[balmy compass]

yeah it's good

[lyric copper]

wait no im stupid

they nerfed improved modules

take defence system

[hollow crag]

Oh Alr

[tepid lily]

Would personally take super charged shells and v-stabs but it’s all good and that’s up to personal preference

[balmy compass]

I don't really think they nerfed it, they changed both of those equipments to be more diverse from each other

[lyric copper]

taking away the ammorack durability was a nerf

[balmy compass]

eh, but defense system chances got improved too, from whatever it was before to -25% of ammorack

[tepid lily]

Give it a shot and see if you like your config.

[balmy compass]

I mostly took the improved modules just to reduce ram damage in specific tanks like Maus (gravity shenaigans) and E-50-M

[tepid lily]

Again everything in firepower rn is up to personal preference with the exception being cali since the new update essentially killed gun rammer

[balmy compass]

I love getting 93 more DPM in my 2k DPM tank

[tepid lily]

It’s so helpful to have that 93 DPM increase. Gamebreaking, if I’m going to be honest with you

[balmy compass]

yeah man I'm making more shots then ever before, my enemies don't stand a chance

[deep belfry]

T26E4 moment

[solid gate]

Why are so many premiums going collector? I came back after 3 years and almost all my premiums are collector now

[lyric copper]

WG wants to change premiums
WG has the right to change them
People cry and complain when they do
WG changes them to Collectors as a way to loophole this

[solid gate]

Im not crying,just curious

[lyric copper]

where did i say you were

[deep belfry]

WG wants people to have more gold in their possession so that they can be more irresponsible with it and spend it on boxes or draws.

[solid gate]

nvm

[lyric copper]

unintended side effect that is the fault of the players

[solid gate]

so they are trying to remove premiums completely?

[lyric copper]

perhaps, but credit coefficients will still stay the same

[solid gate]

could be a change,premiums exist since the launch of the game if i remember correctly

[deep belfry]

pretty sure that at this point it's the main effect

[rancid heart]

Why does the Premium Tanks were changed to Collector Tanks?

[lyric copper]

@rancid heart

[rancid heart]

Ah so for balancing?

[surreal vine]

Hello, please help
I want to buy buy WZ 122 tm, but I also want to buy a camo for it called flame dragon
Please tell me wether I will be able to buy this camo separately, or it is available only in bundles or special events ?

[turbid peak]

only in bundle as of rn

[surreal vine]

@turbid peak thanks

[turbid peak]

np

[placid grotto]

Amx CDC is good or nah?

[edgy umbra]

It is speed but also paper, likely a light tank. (I played before and requires some skill)

[violet timber]

Not really

[dense relic]

is IS-4 bad rn

[violet timber]

No

[dense relic]

can u elaborate

[violet timber]

No

[dense relic]

whye

[odd cove]

No

[trail quest]

It’s bad in the fact that it’s quite pointless to play right now. Decent gun and mobility but bad armour. No real point of touching a rather unflexable mid alpha heavy

[violet timber]

The armor isn’t really bad

[errant oak]

IS 4 armor? is very bad

[violet timber]

It’s really not

[violet timber]

Oh boy, look at that turret. Sure would be hard to go hulldown and use your brain, wouldn’t it?

[balmy compass]

Oh no a weakspot, what will I ever do

[daring merlin]

Wow a whole 6° of gun depression. You can work any ridge with that LOL

[violet timber]

Sorry if you can't hulldown with that, maybe you should learn to positon better

[daring merlin]

So many better hull down tanks. Anyone with a brain realize that 6° isnt optimal

[violet timber]

Many tanks don't have super speed boost or the turret that the IS-4 has, and 6 degrees is completely fine if you have any modicum of skill

[daring merlin]

Maybe you didnt have IS-4 before it got nerfed. But it isnt close to what it was. Next your going to say IS-7 is a great hull down tank as well LOL. You can play your IS-4 on a ridge all you want, the Kran will rip it apart

[violet timber]

I had IS-4 long before it was nerfed. And IS-7 is a great hulldown tank lmao, it has one of the strongest turrets in game. ALso, IS-4 cheeks are smaller than the Kran's cupolas, so good luck hitting the reliably lmao.

[lyric copper]

hulldown =/= effective hulldown

the IS-7 and IS-4 can both hide their hulls and be hulldown

[daring merlin]

Oh its easy. As you only have 6° your going to have to expose your hull to get shot off from ridge, just gotta wait and hit that easy pen hull

[violet timber]

You aren't if you position properly... And if you expose the hull it's angled to the point it's impenetrable. It's really not that hard to understand

There are plenty of places to use 6 degrees, you just have to know the maps and know how to position, neither of which is really that hard

[gray wraith]

is4 is more or less strictly worse than the e5, that's all I'm gonna say

[daring merlin]

Must explain why you see so many people who like hull down tanks reaching for IS-4 first. Maybe i should sell my 1B and Kran and only use IS-4. Please enjoy your dream world

[violet timber]

Sorry that you said IS-4 can't hulldown and I proved it can and now you're moving the goalpost because you're wrong

[lyric copper]

bro does not get it

[gray wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/moving-goalposts-goalposts-changing-requirements-gif-25214446

[daring merlin]

Outside of Obj 263 any tank can hull down. But most dont do it well, IS-4 falls into not the best for that meta

[gray wraith]

the is4 lacks any kind of relevance compared to all the other hulldown tanks

[violet timber]

That doesn't mean that a hulldown IS-4 is bad lmao, it still has one of the strongest turrets in the game, along with super speed boost to both get into position and then push from that position.

[gray wraith]

once again, it can go hulldown, but a significant number of tanks will perform better

[violet timber]

I mean IS-4 is one of the only tanks that can reliably peek from a hulldown position without having to worry about a weakpoint

[daring merlin]

I never said IS-4 was a bad tank. Its not as good as it was. Yes it can hull down, but its not a tank that id say is top 10 for hull down

[gray wraith]

the lack of any UFP armor combined with 6° of GD isn't nice

[violet timber]

UFP doesn't matter if you can hulldown properly

[gray wraith]

you will not be able to hide your UFP on ridgelines, with 6°
your UFP will only be hidden behind gravel piles, or dead tanks

[mossy ocean]

Is6?

[violet timber]

You very much so can, as long as you can position properly

[gray wraith]

where do you position on the dead rail ridgeline, to hide your UFP
@mossy ocean is4

[violet timber]

Maybe don't go the dead rail ridgeline? Try perhaps learning the map better and not just mindlessly going where everyone else goes. You can go town and get cross shots pretty easily

[gray wraith]

then you aren't using the tank hulldown

[violet timber]

No, I'm using my brain. Crazy idea, isn't it?

[gray wraith]

you are not able to hide your UFP while poking on ridgelines with 6° of GD
the tank is not as capable hulldown as an e5, a kran, or plenty of other tanks

[daring merlin]

But town isnt a ridge

[violet timber]

You very much so are, just learn the maps and learn how to position.

@daring merlin Again, crazy idea, but you don't have to mindlessly go where everyone else does. The human body has an organ called the brain that allows us to solve problems, believe it or not.

[daring merlin]

You said IS-4 can play any ridge. Now your saying you can play ridge in town? Lol

[gray wraith]

dead rail ridgeline is the optimal spot for all hulldown heavies
if you aren't driving your is4 there, it's not as capable hulldown as other heavies

[violet timber]

Where did I say it could play any ridge? Show the message with that wording or implication.

@gray wraith Sure, but other hulldown heavies don't have ssb aside from Kran. It's a give and take.

[gray wraith]

here

[violet timber]

??? I'm just saying it can peek from a hulldown position, nowhere did I say it could work any ridgeline in the game.

If neither of you are willing to have an honest discussion then I see no reason to continue this.

[daring merlin]

Sorry if you can't hulldown with that, maybe you should learn to positon better
Your words to my reply about working any ridge

[violet timber]

Again, nowhere did I say or implicate that any ridgeline is workable. Positioning involves moving your tank to an area where you can work a ridgeline.

[daring merlin]

Your answer to my question about any ridge

[gray wraith]

ridgelines make up most of the hulldown positions in the game, the only map I can think of that mainly uses non GD dependent hulldown spots is himmelsdorf

[violet timber]

Again, positionig involves moving to an area where you can work. If you have trouble moving your tank, I fear for your team.

@gray wraith But again, I never said that any ridgeline is workable. I just said that peaking from a hulldown position in the IS-4 is reliable due to it's turret armor.

[gray wraith]

this isn't about how to play the is4, it's about how the is4 is not a flexible hulldown tank

[violet timber]

I never said it was a flexible hulldown tank, I said it has the ability to hulldown rather well due to it's turret armor. What makes it flexible is the ssb that provides extra mobility outside of hulldown.

[daring merlin]

Your cherry picking now. I said it cant work every ridge, you said you can use 6° of gun depression. Now your saying to change positions away from ridge. This i would agree, get the IS-4 away from the ridges

[lyric copper]

funny coming from you

[daring merlin]

The peanut gallery needs more peanuts

[violet timber]

I'm not cherry picking, I'm explaining my response. There's a very clear difference. Again, if you aren't willing to have an honest discussion, I see no reason to continue. Your responses have turned into gaslighting me to think that I said something I never said and it's quite honestly a sad argumentative style.

[gray wraith]

it does not hulldown well, with 6° of GD you either show your UFP or limit yourself to some specific hulldown spots
it is also not flexible, it performs poorly when angling or sidescraping, and the gun is nothing special

[daring merlin]

I said it can't work every ridge line. You said it had six degrees and implying it was a skill issue. I see no instance of me gas lighting

[gray wraith]

I'd drive an e5 over an is4 any day of the week

[violet timber]

Again, positioning properly eliminates the ufp.

@daring merlin I never said it could work every ridgeline and you tried saying I did. That is clear gaslighting, stop trying to deny it. I'm going to stop responding to you as you clearly aren't willing to have an honest discussion.

[daring merlin]

E5 way better then IS-4 currently

[gray wraith]

positioning properly means not going on ridgelines, which means the tank is not flexible, and does not perform well hulldown

[daring merlin]

I'm not putting words in your mouth.That's what you said to my question about any ridge line. Look it up

[violet timber]

Read a bit closer

@gray wraith You can go on some ridgelines just fine, you just need the map knowledge to know which ones they are and how to position on them.

[gray wraith]

"go on some ridgelines" which ones ?

[errant oak]

E5, Type 71, Yoh, S conqueror, Mk 6 maybe, Kranvagn, 60 TP, Rino and Strv K maybe

[violet timber]

You quite clearly were when you said that I said IS-4 could hulldown on any ridgeline, something I quite clearly never said.

@gray wraith Learn the maps, I don't have every single position dedicated to memory

[gray wraith]

eeeh, strv is kinda irrelevant in the current meta

[daring merlin]

Bottom line is IS-4 can hull down. It just cant do it well with only 6°

[violet timber]

Does well in comp
WG doesn't like that
Tank is now gone

The old weegee cycle

[gray wraith]

you are not working any ridgeline well with 6°
some hulldown spots will be workable suboptimally, some even rarer ones with allow you to go hulldown just fine

[daring merlin]

Rock piles and dead tanks, IS-4 would be doing very well

[gray wraith]

the rockfield bush spots, for example, require 8°

[errant oak]

still better than IS 4 in hull down

[violet timber]

Except for the paper turret sure

[gray wraith]

turret performs poorly against HEAT

[errant oak]

nice

[daring merlin]

Hell IS-4 isnt even top Russian heavy anymore

Its tied with Obj 260 for worst

[violet timber]

It’s definitely better than the 260 lmao

[daring merlin]

Barely

[violet timber]

Not even, it's clearly better

[daring merlin]

Ok your #1 Russian?

[violet timber]

If you're asking me to rank russian heavies, it's IS-7>777>IS-4>260

[daring merlin]

IS-7 and Obj 777 can be either 1 or 2. I think the 777 has little more flexibility. But the tungsten rounds are lovely on IS-7

[dense cargo]

hey guys i have 1 x10 booster left and idk what to grind rn any ideas?

[dense relic]

whatcha got

[dense cargo]

lemme see

ok so i got grille jg e100 vk maus e100 leo e4 e5 t57 is7 t62 4005 and 183 amx 50 b tvp lewando and kran

[cobalt thistle]

Can someone justify how the e6 is better than the mk6

[frail dagger]

260 can easily be number one depending on the player, but for the avg player your list is right, but id say for a higher end player, 260 has the speed

[cobalt thistle]

Hey u lot what's better. The kpz 50 t or the chieftain mk6? Also explain why pls

[blissful cave]

Idk if you can compare em ones a medium tank ones a heavium different roles

[violet timber]

Not even close lmao

[blissful cave]

Todays tank of the day T40

[valid gale]

Pepperidge farm remembers when it existed ingame

[blissful cave]

I’m still waiting for when they give it in a battle pass
I got every other tier 4 this is just the one I don’t have and it was only given in a BP once and that was before I started playing,it’s a cool tank I want to get it I like artillery vehicles
I know they don’t function as artillery that doesn’t matter to me I just like the design of artillery

I got the German toaster one I love it : )

Plus from what I’ve heard artillery actually being artillery in wot pc ruins the game and all the fun so just straight shot artillery tanks is fine with me (stuff like toaster,T82 and T40)

[errant oak]

arty?

[violet timber]

Tank destroyer

[plucky summit]

Still does

[safe acorn]

@blissful cave apparently my course offers individual learning of practically anything you want for one module

You know what that means

[blissful cave]

Tanks?

[hollow crag]

How do I play 50tp prototype? I’ve been losing nonstop and want to know how to win

[robust orchid]

You git gud, try and study its playstyle

[meager spindle]

my favorite part of the cycle is

nothing is too good in comp right now
overbuff something
nuke it once everyone starts playing it again
repeat original message

[errant oak]

Hulldown.

[lusty rock]

Exactly what I was gonna say just now.

[blissful cave]

Lmao thinking about how many bring BT-42 comments I left on wargaming Instagram posts over the span of many months but the first one they replied to was the one that involved that I would give them money for it
(On a GuP wot post I commented “please bring this to blitz too I’d pay anything for it” lmao) they said “ask the blitz department” or something wargaming is one whole company but are blitz and wot completely separate teams I guess?

[violet timber]

I can’t wait until the 113 gFT has less armor than the grille!

[meager spindle]

type 71 mobility returns next month -10 base gun depression!

[violet timber]

And hydro suspension with +4 gun dep capability

[meager spindle]

(literally impossible)

but genuine question, heavium type 71 with 2.9k dpm but no hull armor when

(literally japanese is-4)

[violet timber]

I actually really like the PC type 71

[errant oak]

Bz with rocket booster?

[meager spindle]

from what i've seen of it getting played and seeing it's armor profile, a slight buff to the ufp would be a good help for it

not the blitz type ofc

im honestly surprised we even got the one we did since typically tanks in blitz and pc follow similar playstyles, ours is a IS-4 replacement, theirs is a fat medium

[harsh elm]

technically ours used to be a fat medium

[safe acorn]

Probably an analysis about a tank family

Thing is
There's many

The Entwicklung family is an interesting one
UDES series too

Waffenträger development is also a good one
Vickers Medium also

I want it to be obscure enough where it carries its own interest without me having to go the extra mile

[plucky summit]

It’s on a Lesta server

[halcyon lotus]

that’s only available in RU regions only, it’s not going to be in blitz, at least i hope so

[buoyant hound]

so u mean only wot russian server

[halcyon lotus]

yes

[buoyant hound]

[thorny smelt]

I'm hoping for Stridsvagn 103B

[safe acorn]

Too straightforward

People could just google that and Strv-103s design although interesting, wouldn't carry a report far enough

[tall current]

First match of this tank i got ammunition crate explosion

[halcyon lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-cat-catlaughing-laughingcat-point-gif-7577620470218150413

[tight trout]

I tried Emil for 2nd time. That tank is kinda good.

[solid gate]

The whole kranvagn line is good if you are not a camper@tight trout

[earnest ridge]

What is the general consensus on the new Italian tanks?

[lyric copper]

decent, but the tier 7 needs a buff

[errant oak]

I dont have rino yet but tier 8 is nice

[foggy cloud]

Buff the t7 its worse than t6 tanks

[arctic kettle]

There was absolutely no reason to nerf the turret's front by 40mm if it's the only part of the tank that bounces shots
Now it can't even do the one thing it's supposed to be doing - going hulldown. A single press of the "2" key absolutely shreds it
Also pls buff mobility

[arctic kettle]

Also can we get an Object 120 line? Would be really cool

[rotund gull]

nah a new nation tree yikes

[safe cedar]

I think we can all agree that Wargaming did an excellent job introducing italian tanks as effective, unique, and exciting new tanks that fit excellently into the game. I am confident the majority of players will agree that they are thankful for a strong, yet balanced & flavourful new line of vehicles.

[rotund gull]

https://tenor.com/view/swiss-flag-rise-and-shine-gif-16972874900396331099

They more Real tanks as any other Europa tech tree cap

[frail dagger]

T7 was great, T8 was very fun, T9 seems alright so far

[lyric copper]

T7 is not good you must be on a lower dimension of thought to think its okay

[balmy compass]

He does live in Australia, which is most likely south of where you live

[frail dagger]

I loved the T7

[quasi wedge]

I skipped the line

[arctic kettle]

You can get on a lower one than you are?

[lyric copper]

yes

[arctic kettle]

The so-called Undermets

[quartz mantle]

Should i get E100, 60TP or Type 71?
I know how to properly play maus, i want high alpha gun and troll armor

[lyric copper]

60TP

[safe acorn]

Why was Type 71 in the decision?
Was man not aware of the BZ-75?

[quartz mantle]

I heard that its armor is pretty annoying
But it’s also the same for BZ-75, I kinda forgot about it in this case

[arctic kettle]

Alternative being a chieftain 900 line (pls I want more good british vehicles)

[foggy cloud]

90 percent bs

[safe acorn]

Lul can't find info on the Chansard

[rotund gull]

Fit for Blitz or for France

Blue are for sec tech tree line

[regal hearth]

Please add tungsten cams to Maus, it has very little damage, for example, so that on tungsten the Maus has average damage like the E-100

[wary summit]

When the moveable bunker has subpar damage output

[violet timber]

No.

[tropic ermine]

What do I do in my object 260 I can’t get it to work even against mediums

[wary summit]

You either sell it or get better

[gray wraith]

it would have 529 alpha, which isn't anywhere close to the e100, also no, that's a terrible idea and the maus is in a perfectly fine state atm

[sour bane]

finally

[sour bane]

its complete fakee + it's prolly trash

[errant oak]

Carro 45

[sour bane]

i goot it 3 times in da crate ffs

openned eleven for 777 strv k and carro the vk and /4 were bought on da blackfriday

[blissful cave]

Anyone know what crates will replace object 590? I’m really hoping it’s Kpz 70P

Sometimes people have leak images like when they told me about Strv k boxes last year

[digital pagoda]

Русские тут есть?

[solid gate]

I am thinking of grinding light tank or medium tank which tank type or line should I go

everyone can you give me tips for mediums how to drive how to position because light tanks are just like hit and run but medium not like that i think

[robust orchid]

🇵🇱 CS-63 and 🇨🇳 WZ-132-1 👍

[cobalt thistle]

Super conq or chieftain mk6?

[errant oak]

Chieftain for gun S conqueror for armor

[sturdy igloo]

Shreidan is fun amd fun line

[solid gate]

@sturdy igloo i have Sheridan

[slender edge]

Where should I go? M-VI-YOH or T110E5.
Which one better?

[sturdy igloo]

I did wz 121 just now and for me it is a monster

What is the best equipment for wz 121?

[solid gate]

@slender edge If you like autoloader and want to deal 900 damage in 1.7 sec than go for m6yo if you want to be front line and tank damage and also tank damage go for t110e5

But both are good tank and have their own playstyle

[slender edge]

I'm quite confused, but I'm happy to use the M6 ​​at tier 6.
Which of Yoh or t110e5 has a playing style similar to m6 at tier 6.

[errant oak]

E5 is not a frontliner

[tight trout]

ngl that tank forced me to go sweden line and im lvling it up rn

[violet timber]

It is though

[errant oak]

is better going hull down

[violet timber]

You can hulldown on the frontline

[quick heath]

Bro how do u even angle vk72 now, everything pens it so easily as if it has no armour

[errant oak]

like this

[quick heath]

Other heavies can even pen lp with AP

And mediums just spam heat

[errant oak]

Ho Ri can pen it with AP

[quick heath]

Other heavies can too

[errant oak]

with Cali almost every heavy can

[quick heath]

So that’s what I would I was saying how do you play the Vk now it’s absurd

[errant oak]

maybe like this? (gold ammo and your armor disappears)

[quick heath]

Prolly

[blissful cave]

Anyone?

Usually it’s those leak images with the discord link just in case anything was leaked can’t wait for Friday

[errant oak]

Kpz 70P?

[blissful cave]

Looked at the unreleased tanks…good lord please don’t be Vipera (T_T)

[blissful cave]

Yea that tier 9 heavy that’s been in testing for months

[errant oak]

this one?

[blissful cave]

Yes

But I don’t call it Kpz 07 because I have no idea why they flipped 70 to 07
irl it’s a Kpz 70 concept so im gonna call it Kpz 70P

It was leaked for blitz testing like 6 months ago but here it’s a tier 9

[hazy fog]

They should give the Conway a better mantlet tbh or maybe a legendary camo

[errant oak]

Conway have troll mantlet

[blissful cave]

Found some image of a small mock-up/model of it too : )

[wary summit]

The Conway's mantlet is troll enough

No need to make it a viable tough spot to crack

[tulip steppe]

this is the best i could get vs heavy standard, once they switch to prammo its a pen almost everywhere

[blissful cave]

It’s kinda just looks like a heavy leopard 1 I guess

[hazy fog]

I never get a bounce with it
EVER

[violet timber]

This is also the 777 which is known for its rather lackluster standard pen

[errant oak]

i get a lot of bounces on Conway

[blissful cave]

Yeah I’m pretty sure it will be as part of that dumb celebration over more fake Italian tanks

[tulip steppe]

ya was going to switch to is7 but said screw it no one will call me on it

[hazy fog]

Oh if anyone is wondering what gun caliber the 5.5 inch is it’s a 140 which is nice and even better because 🅱️ESH

[hazy fog]

Can’t u sidescrape the Conway too??

I’ve never tried

[violet timber]

No

[errant oak]

no xd

[hazy fog]

Rip the ability to sidescrape the fv4004 would be AMAZING it could actually be a good brawler

[wary summit]

It's a Centurion hull and a post-haste turret lol

It's a miracle if it can bounce anything without a wildly wonky angle

[tulip steppe]

the Conway has a sneaky hull that can get 70deg bounces vs AP

[hazy fog]

I mean in theory you could sidescrape they’re 50 wait how does the overmatch system work I forget?

[hazy fog]

Plus the spaced armor which helps a little bit

[errant oak]

it can sidescrape a KV 1

E75

[sturdy igloo]

What is the best equipment for wz 121

[lyric ruin]

refined gun & cali got buffed really hard

[errant oak]

i dont have WZ 121 but i think is good

[sturdy igloo]

Thanks

[hazy fox]

The best way for u is to try the several configs then decide

[hazy fog]

The 50 mm side plates can be overmatched by 101 or 151 mm guns I forget which one it is tho

[hazy fox]

if u do have enough exp, u'll feel the difference

[errant oak]

armor looks nice

[blissful cave]

Bruhhh this is from a calibrated premium shell Ho-Ri?!

[errant oak]

yep

[zealous delta]

What is the Best Equipment for Tiger 2?

[analog raft]

Does enhance armor change anything?

[tulip steppe]

that's a debate, some players feel the health is always the choice and some believe EA makes a difference

[analog raft]

Not much I guess

[errant oak]

better mantlet

[analog raft]

I mean I was asking specifically about the Kampfpanzer
But I usually run enhance about 90%, especially for hulldown tanks

[violet timber]

HP is better in the majority of tanks

[analog raft]

Debatable
Sometimes it doesn’t matter having enhanced if your hull is huge and premium rounds are about to pen
But I don’t really run HP unless it’s has no armor

[violet timber]

It’s really not debatable, most tanks just don’t benefit enough from enhanced to make it worth sacrificing HP for

[analog raft]

Eh

[errant oak]

EA is useless for E100 now

[solid gate]

Fr

[analog raft]

Well yea, the update kinda ruined it which isn’t something I’m happy about
More than ever did armor kinda become useless when you have premium that will pretty much pen

[solid gate]

Pretty much summed up my thoughts about the whole thing there bro

[blissful cave]

I always take HP unless it’s some super heavily armored tank like Maus plus maus already gets HP items
Should I put enhanced armor on KV-5?

[analog raft]

Well probably HP will help, since using premium rounds won’t exactly do the max damage

[blissful cave]

I put it on KV-5 but idk if that’s good because it still has a huge cupola and it’s lower plate is pretty wide

[violet timber]

I think EA on the KV-5 works pretty well

[analog raft]

Like dumping a clip in a Kravagn with premium will do about 1k instead of 1200

[blissful cave]

Also because of the new update is it worth changing my autoloaders from calibrated to vents? I heard they buffed vents but idk if it’s a better option now

[errant oak]

xd

[lyric copper]

depends on vehicle and playstyle

[analog raft]

Yea Maus isn’t exactly a heavily armor tank
I mean sure maybe against regular ammo but premium kinda makes it pointless

[blissful cave]

Ok so stuff like Yoh IV obviously calibrated (high intraclip low total clip reload)
But stuff like somua or Emil with 20+ second clip reload is it better?

[analog raft]

I prefer playing a tank with hulldown armor that is hard to pen, like a Kravagn or 60TP than flat ground armor tank like a Maus

[blissful cave]

Oh and then for the “constantly reloading” ones like Kranvagn idk

[analog raft]

Heh?

[blissful cave]

For vents vs calibrated after the update

Yoh IV is basically just a single shot tank but every 4th shell is double

[analog raft]

Still going for cali

[analog raft]

Is that the premium yoh?

[blissful cave]

Yes

[analog raft]

Ooh, ye idk much about that tonk

[tulip steppe]

is crysler k the best side scraper at t8 ?

[blissful cave]

Yup absolutely
I love the Chrysler so much

[analog raft]

Idk if I’ve done any battles in it, I need to check
But it was pretty busted in fun modes, that’s a bit different tho

[blissful cave]

It’s a 4 shell autoloader but in between shells is 7 seconds and the clip is like 13 seconds
So it’s basically just a single shot tank but every 4th shell is double

[blissful cave]

One of my favorite concept tanks I wish it was built

[tulip steppe]

same here, i just started to really playing it lately and noticed it was getting bounces

[analog raft]

Yea I don’t have any battles in, it should try it tho!

[blissful cave]

I’m gonna make a model of it pretty soon too

[analog raft]

It’s pretty much the VK 90.01 (P) at tier 8

[tulip steppe]

ya i would say that a good comparison, they both get -9/10:depression over the side and the armour to hold up

[analog raft]

Hmm idk if it’s something that I would enjoy playing in, maybe if I get it I’ll have a different thought on it

[plucky summit]

Naw

[analog raft]

Plus the mobility is crazy!
Wiggling the tank and having such great mobility while having flat side armor is pretty much a dream come true

[zealous delta]

What is the best Equipment for Type 71

[errant oak]

this for me

[blissful cave]

Why do new tanks just not come with legendary camos anymore I don’t get it

Laziness probably

[zealous delta]

Thanks

[lyric copper]

wdym

[blissful cave]

Kpz 68 senlac ST-62 didnt get legendary camos for release even in their re release crates
590 debut without one
Shk TVP didn’t have one on release it did get one later tho

[balmy compass]

Not all new tanks are guaranteed to have a legendary camo
I think only tier X tanks get that after some time

[errant oak]

Rino with FUZE

[blissful cave]

rinoceronte did get one tho and BZ-58 or whatever it’s called looks like it will
Pretty sure K-2 and whatever the next crate tank in 3 days won’t tho

[blissful cave]

Pretty much every new crate release tank for the past year or two always had one tho

[cobalt thistle]

What is the best tier ten collector heavy?

[errant oak]

K 2 looks like a bad IS 3

[blissful cave]

I like concept 1B and Strv K most : )

[errant oak]

Concept looks nice

[blissful cave]

Yeeeah concept 1B💪🏻🇺🇸🦅💥🔥

[errant oak]

Looks like my torvagn in sprocket

[blissful cave]

Tornvagn my beloved favorite tank

There’s no clear picture of it’s blueprints tho like there is for Concept 1B : (

Also funky fact Concept no. 1 and concept 1A exist too basically 1B is from a set of 3 very similar designs

[tepid lily]

Interesting

[errant oak]

amalgama

[modern quartz]

chimera or WZ 122-TM

[tepid lily]

Chimera

[violet timber]

122tm imo

[lyric copper]

112TM is the thinker's alpha medium at tier 8

[violet timber]

It also looks way better

[blissful cave]

I like chimera more

Random funky fact Chrysler and chimera are like a pair they’re the immediate concept response to IS-3 but neither were built
Like how M103 and conqueror are like a pair being the actual built heavy response to IS-3

[modern quartz]

Interesting

[solid gate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClQ_BN0KsoM

[errant oak]

Chimera

[obsidian jolt]

tiger 2 also pretty good but gotta be careful with the turret cheeks

[solid gate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT5QjLZoWxo

[modern quartz]

I like Chimeras' gun , better Avg. damage , dispersion and gun depression, But 122-TM has better HP, Armor, DPM and Reload time. per stat sheet

[solid gate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6xWGGv6dYM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtMFROT1D8w

[wary summit]

#replays lol

[obsidian jolt]

t5 gaming...

[blissful cave]

Ayo nice : D

[violet timber]

Trying to flex bot mm moment

[buoyant hound]

yo guys, whats ur favourite td tank and why ? other than t30

[errant oak]

Mino bc i love autoloaders/autoreloaders

[rotund siren]

SU-130PM. It's acurrate and can get some troll bounces :)

[blissful cave]

It’s like you already knew I was gonna say T30

Anyways uh
T95 TS-5 XM66F M36 Jackson and Charles

oh and T110E3 is cool too

[errant oak]

tutel

[blissful cave]

Yees T95 and T30 are my two favorite TDs in the game
Coincidentally neither of them are tank destroyers irl

[errant oak]

super heavy and heavy

[blissful cave]

I’m only like 100 tickets away from being able to get WT Ritter and they leave the shop before we get the week mission rewards should I just get the 2$ thing
2$ for 5K gold is not a bad deal (going to sell it)

[buoyant hound]

t30 was op man, and i need to start from t1 to get it, lol

[errant oak]

My stats with T30 are xd

[blissful cave]

Uuugh I still have to make a tank of the day post

Screw it BMP-1

[serene wolf]

Can you add a miniature bmp 2 to the side

[blissful cave]

I put the new forgis on the jeep

[slow coyote]

Bruh

[icy wadi]

tortoise/WZ-111-1G FT

tortoise because it lets you think while you drive up to a flank
has great dpm

some armour

and wz because it packs a punch

has reactive armour, that high HE dmg and great pen with nice armour

[sour bane]

gyat

[somber sluice]

With super heavies being "nerfed" is the vk 72 worth grinding?

[somber sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/i-may-not-have-a-brain-gentlemen-but-i-have-an-idea-monsters-vs-aliens-blob-monster-i-may-not-have-a-brain-gentlemen-but-i-have-an-idea-gif-27360547

[solid fractal]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[robust orchid]

Definitely

[sacred karma]

The WZ-132-1 has a legendary camo correct?

[halcyon lotus]

yeah. it’s called “Futuro” and it’s animated

[zenith shadow]

🗿

[coarse blade]

I'm deaf fam

[foggy cloud]

I hate you

[zenith flower]

Not a mastery... sigh! 😭

[rotund gull]

This tank has some unique engineering features. It is based on the*** Prototipo-6*** design but has a modified turret from a Controcarro-related version. This change allows it to take advantage of a 127 mm Cannone Da 127 gun, which deals an impressive 490 HP of damage per shot and has 268 mm of penetration with a standard shell! So idk why WG added a Med tank with a CC MK 2 Turret Tonk. So WG dont added this for Blitz no cap.

[wary summit]

Standard B if the idiot locked in

[zenith shadow]

https://youtu.be/L2CgFkWVo1o?si=9dtcvbp8RoNIKsfS

@blissful cave we have sherman crab 🦀

[rotund gull]

idk

[zenith shadow]

Im guessing its another one of those fake tanks wargaming invented didnt they?

[tepid lily]

Looks like a Leopard hull to me

[tepid lily]

The hull is real, but the turret is completely fictional in design. It’s a mashup of a real design and fake design. It seems stupid to take a turret from a highly armoured tank destroyer and place it on a medium tank chassis. The stress on the suspension from the excessive weight of the turret would just cause premature wear

[rotund gull]

That it Lestas Concept to WGs

[tepid lily]

Leopard with a boxy turret

[safe acorn]

WG otw to add anything besides the OF-40 @tepid lily @rotund gull

[tepid lily]

Technically they already have the model for the OF-40. The Lion from PC is a prototype of the OF

[rotund gull]

FIAT Leone and OF 40 Mk.1.

looks like this but the hull looks diff to this one

[tepid lily]

That’s because the Prototypo 6 is more so based on the Leopard hull

[rotund gull]

many problem is how many concept exists from any desging of this Tanks i dont found any infomatio to this

[tepid lily]

Whilst Italy was involved in the Europanzer project, its involvement was minimal. The fact that Wargaming is producing these tanks out of thin air shows they are running out of ideas on what to add to their game.

[rotund gull]

yea like that

many Tanks on Italien are Fiction be make WG like the P44, Rino and Mino line. Tier 1 -6 meds are real tanks / Blueprints and Tds same Tier 5 and 6 only Standart b and Progetto 65 all rela Tanks on tier 9 and 10 and the leone on PC version

[tepid lily]

Italy’s involvement in the Leopard project was that they wanted to produce a domestic copy of the tank since all the tanks they had at the time were American Shermans, Pershings and Patton tanks

[zenith shadow]

Is lesta wot better or worse than na?

[safe acorn]

Leone is a tropicalized variant of the Leopard
OF-40 is borderline it's own MT

Basically comparing the tropical BF-109Fs Italy got VS their own G-55s

[rotund gull]

Its still WoT RU from old Days they habve the Same Game Version

[tepid lily]

Better in some ways now actually. Ever since they became independent, they’ve been working on rebalancing a lot of tech tree tanks to make them more viable and useable. The issue with Wargaming is that balancing changes has to go through a bunch of bureaucratic processes, which slow down the rate at which changes are made.

[rotund gull]

But he drop tanks the cost so many money like the WT E100 Gold from last Christmas 6000 dollar gamba

[tepid lily]

I don’t think I said the OF-40 = Leopard 1 🤔

I’m aware that whilst visually being similar, all the internal components are different or heavily modified that it’s basically no longer interchangeable with the Leopard 1.

Krauss-Maffei started a lawsuit over how similar the OF-40 was compared to the Leopard 1 but after a series of investigations, it was found that the tank was only visually comparable and was not using any German components with the exception being the power pack.

[safe acorn]

You said it when you said Leone

[tepid lily]

Was making a comment about the Prototypo 6 not the OF-40

[zenith shadow]

just want to complete at least 1 line on PC version on WOT and on na im not doing well on the NA

[deep belfry]

Beautiful

[violet timber]

OF-40 is essentially just an Italian produced Leopard with some domestic modifications

[safe acorn]

You literally replied to me when I talked about the OF-40

Saying WoT already has it with the Leone which isn't the case
I don't see it being related to the Prototipo 6

[tepid lily]

Ok, I think you need to reread what I said. I literally just stated the OF-40 is technically in WoT as the Lion. Where did I say anything in regards to the Leopard 1??? Curious

I think you need to open your eyes like this 👀 and reread what I wrote

[safe acorn]

Leone is not a prototype of the OF-40
It's literally just and is the leopard with dust filters on
Saying the Leone, I take it the same way as saying Leopard 1

[violet timber]

Not exactly

[tepid lily]

Why don’t you google what the Lion hull looks like from WoT PC and have a look for yourself?

Because you don’t seem to understand the point I was making

[violet timber]

The OF-40 is closer to the Lion than the Lion is to the Leo 1, but they’re all relatively close

[tepid lily]

And you might want to do a quick search on what the Leone is. It is a precursor to the OF-40 and didn’t come afterwards

So technically it is a prototype of the OF-40

The hull on the Leone was built in Germany from what I understand. The Germans pulled support from the project for some unknown reason and Italy was unable to continue production of the Leone without them. The OF-40 was a redesign of the tank (particularly the hull) to get around export restrictions and was built using entirely domestic parts

[safe acorn]

I'm clear on the timeline thanks
And OF-40 is more of a re-do to the Leone rather than being a development

[tepid lily]

So then what was with the accusation of me saying the OF-40 is the same as the Leopard 1 when I never said anything like that?

Why bother starting an argument over something I didn’t say in the first place?

I’m not looking to have another Chameleon situation again

[safe acorn]

"technically they already have a model for the OF-40"
Would state that a model more or less identical to the OF-40 exists in the game
"The Lion from PC is a prototype of the OF"
We already know Lion is more or less identical to the Leopard 1, therefore we can just relate both as the Leopard

Then if you read the whole sentence throughout, it basically means OF-40 = Leopard 1

[tepid lily]

Ok that clarifies my error, since the OF-40 has a different hull design compared to the Leone

[safe acorn]

That and turret design
I think the Leone didn't have the same spaced armor on the turret in the method OF-40 used

[tepid lily]

Now that I think about it, didn’t the OF-40 come out in the 80s? Might be the reason why they refuse to add it to the game

But then again, they added the T-54D. Which is a T-54 with a composite panel over the front hull, a 105mm gun and was designed in the 1990s

[tepid lily]

Yeah what I thought about the vehicle was erroneous and incorrect

[safe acorn]

Which then again is a fake vehicle
WG will do everything they can to delay the introduction of the most obvious tanks and introduce fake ones to see how the playerbase reacts

A worse version of WT's April Fools

[blissful cave]

Oh boy I sure do love not having WZ-122-4 because instead we get “BZ-75”

[tepid lily]

They’re always a few month off 🤣

[tepid lily]

WZ-122-4 is a real tank 🙂

[safe acorn]

I mean in a standpoint

I can make WZ-122-4 into a premium Tier X MT locked behind crates or lootboxes

[blissful cave]

As well as changing the names for Turm III,Kpz 70 Porsche,TL-6 and making up stuff like Kpz 68 when object 685 exists and looks just like it

[blissful cave]

Yea I know 122-4 is the real tank but instead we get a fake BZ-75 that kinda looks like it but I’d rather have the real tank

[safe acorn]

Mightve just given WG a new profit idea

[tepid lily]

DELET DELET

[safe acorn]

They still can see the chatlogs

I've sealed the fates of future crates

[blissful cave]

Like this is just stupid https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/firearmcentral/images/4/4d/Object_685.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20190822195254 I thought Kpz 68p is really cool but of course it’s fake :/
Here’s the real object 685 a Soviet tank

[tepid lily]

There are so many tanks they can add that are real, it’s just that they choose not to and it’s intentional

[safe acorn]

I like how if we're talking about projects
Where Obj 685 came from, it didn't fit the requirements
But it was good eitherway

[blissful cave]

Yea fake tanks are the most annoying thing we’ve been getting way too many of those

[tepid lily]

The concept in a way was still adopted as the 2S25 tho. At least in some way or another it lives on

[safe acorn]

WG has always been very arcadey so I don't mind

Fake tanks all in all don't really harm the overall gameplay experience? Because some are really just poop
The world would burn if something like the Kranvagn was in Wat Rhunder

[tepid lily]

There are still quite a few historical vehicles that they can add. I’m just certain they don’t want to because they find the fake tanks often stand out more(?) is my guess

[wary summit]

Yeah the Swedes barely have any heavies in War Thunder except for the scalped Tiger 2

[blissful cave]

The main thing I hate about fake tanks is they do nothing to inform the player which are real or not
They act like they are real and don’t mention anywhere that they are not making it really hard to tell sometimes which are real just with very little information or which have no information because they’re not real

[safe acorn]

And then suddenly having the most busted end tier tanks

[tepid lily]

I hope that WT will resort to some more realistic options when it comes to fake tanks being added to the game once they run out of real tanks to add inevitably.

[safe acorn]

Because the hard truth is that no one really is knee deep into tanks if they start out with WoT

[tepid lily]

Tanks such as the Skoda T25, T14, T40 would be interesting to see in War Thunder if they ever reach that point

[blissful cave]

At least something? Just at the end of the description something like “wargaming original design” instead of slapping “only existed in blueprints” every single time

[safe acorn]

WT otw to oversaturate their current tech trees with sub trees meaning that it won't run out of vehicles anytime soon

[blissful cave]

Pretty much all the fake tanks say “only existed in blueprints” …and so do the tanks that actually existed in blueprints

[safe acorn]

WoT is basically the Jurassic World of tanks
The game for JW has more hybrids than there are tanks in WoT and they have a little information section about them too

Although they DO NOT state that it's fake

[tepid lily]

It’s stupid that they say that because I’ve had people asking me whether those tanks were real and even after debunking those claims, still have people insist that they must somehow exist.

[blissful cave]

Yea that’s what I’m here for too I must know if they are real and will spread the word on which are fake

[safe acorn]

Yeah and then you find out they do
Like Patton the Tank

[tepid lily]

Patton the tank is literally just a T54E2 with a 120mm gun and that’s about it. Not sure how realistic the 120mm configuration is

But at least it’s somewhat real?? It’s more so people asking me about tanks like the Rinoceronte and the Vz. 55 and asking about those tanks

[blissful cave]

Me when I see matches filled with those fake Italian tanks:

[safe acorn]

Besides the 120mm gun
The whole tank did exist, the army literally did put an E2 turret in a 48A2 hull

[blissful cave]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-duck-angry-meme-gif-25118227

Because it’s another filthy fake

[safe acorn]

I'm not mad it exists
I'm mad when my teammates play it in the most horrendous way possible

[tepid lily]

What is bro yapping about? It’s literally the best Italian TD tier for tier. Don’t use the autoreloader and stick to the single shot gun 😭

[blissful cave]

EU tech tree has got to be the biggest warcrime in this game (other than the starting ones)

[safe acorn]

A war crime that doesn't exist

Because it's WoT

[wary summit]

Are you playing it stock?

[blissful cave]

I swear we’re gonna get something stupid like the Star shaped cannon blaskavyza or whatever it is before we get Strv 103 or UDES (actually real tanks)

[tepid lily]

Where do you get shot at? The turret or the hull? Chances are you aren’t playing the tank hulldown and are probably yoloing into the enemy team

[safe acorn]

WoT never stated they were fully realistic anyways
Can't expect them to anyways

[blissful cave]

Who thought this was acceptable

[errant oak]

Maybe the best frontline td in tier 8

[wary summit]

When the game advertised as arcade-y is arcade-y

[safe acorn]

What I hate the most is that when there's an alternative for realism

Ie War Thunder

And people still either say no or just end up being fussy

[errant oak]

ISU is frontliner?

[tepid lily]

You’re supposed to sit behind the heavies in a hulldown position and punish anyone who attempts to push. You shouldn’t be up front because you are bound to get flanked by other faster and more mobile vehicles

[safe acorn]

It's been like what 10+ years?
If WoT wanted to be realistic, they'd do so 5 years ago

[blissful cave]

When tanks in the game actually being tanks that exist in real life is too much to ask for

[safe acorn]

They'd add it sure but don't expect it to be a priority because they never were

[tepid lily]

Average blitz players

[errant oak]

1100 HP and only armor on its mantlet xd

[safe acorn]

If I'd join WoT now and absolutely closed my eyes to history of things and play WoT for the game

You add the Vickers MT and ill see it as another vehicle to grind

[tepid lily]

He didn’t say you could frontline in the tank. Just said you can pen even the most armoured tier 10s with that gun

[blissful cave]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-mad-this-game-stinks-gif-1965318718504722172

[errant oak]

@tepid lily

[safe acorn]

I swear if WT adds the Kranvagn I shall commit mass-

[tepid lily]

I stand corrected 💀💀💀

[blissful cave]

Could it? I mean it was half built

[tepid lily]

Ok nvm you just might be a clown afterall. Since when was the ISU better as a front liner than the SMV- 64?

[safe acorn]

Turret data sheets exist and so do the engine so
It's not too far, they could add T77 too but please don't

[errant oak]

SMV is way better forntliner than any other tier 8 td and is better than some heavies

[blissful cave]

Strv K technically could since kranvagn hull was built centurion turret exists and Sweden thought about putting them together but decided not to before they actually put them together

[errant oak]

Bruh...

[safe acorn]

Too paper and not enough documentation,

That and I wouldn't play it over the Strv 104/5

[wary summit]

Bro got the jailbroken CC64

[tepid lily]

Idk what you are doing to get absolutely cooked, but seems like you enjoy trying to fight close and personal which is a you problem more than anything

[safe acorn]

Strv K is borderline what the 59-Patton is

[blissful cave]

T57 Heavy turrets were built too but I think none were actually put on the M103/T43 hulls no pictures exist of it either : (

[blissful cave]

Difference is Strv k is actually real

[tepid lily]

Is it? I can’t seem to find any information on the STRV K

[blissful cave]

It is
There isn’t that much information on it because it was more of a short idea like “hey we could just forget the complicated oscillating autoloader turrets and just make the hulls and put centurion turrets on em” but then dropped it when they realized it’d be more expensive than just buying complete centurions

I’d need to find my sources I used for my tank of the day post on it again I was hesitant to make a TOD post for it but I did once I found proof it’s real

[safe acorn]

Thing is
Would you get it?
Not much faster than the Strv 104/5
Gun is no better on the reload than the 103 series
Saving grace is the hull