vehicles-discussion

[lyric copper]

they dont?

[digital fog]

Never saw A k91

[digital fog]

10k damage with that gun🔥!

[vernal nacelle]

Yeah

[solid gate]

Is it true you get 10k gold every month

[digital fog]

What the

[digital fog]

Pro moment

[solid gate]

That’s burning games?

[lyric copper]

no

[quasi wedge]

[quiet bison]

Is it worth buying Dracula for 7.5k gold?

[digital fog]

Np

Instead save your gold for A t10

[vernal nacelle]

I ammoracked a churchchill 5 times in a row in one game with this

[digital fog]

I found the spot to ammorack tiger 2

[digital fog]

Bro your rich we are poor

[vernal nacelle]

Have of those are premiums I got from events and mystery boxes

[digital fog]

I have opened many of them but always got trash😭. Btw your very lucky bro

[vernal nacelle]

All my premiums

[digital fog]

Nicee

[vernal nacelle]

My account stats

Also souma hits like a truck it's op I Kiled a is3 with it

[digital fog]

Mine

[digital fog]

More damage

[vernal nacelle]

What type of player am I based on My tanks

[digital fog]

How many times will u flex? 💪

[vernal nacelle]

No I just want to know what type of player I am

[digital fog]

Rich

[digital fog]

Btw is Italian tech tree good?. IM planning to grind them also

[vernal nacelle]

Like with my normal tanks am I Like the guy that likes tds

[vernal nacelle]

Should I grind out my smv cc 64

[steel belfry]

Stop flexing bro

[digital fog]

Finnally A guy who is true

[steel belfry]

[digital fog]

NGL I was soo close to get Sheridan missile but the next day event ended :((😞

[steel belfry]

looking at your tanks, you are the type of player who focuses on spending as much money as possible

[digital fog]

Ye look at his stats

[steel belfry]

I got the missile when it was still in the tech tree :))

[digital fog]

Wait it was in the tech tree??!

[steel belfry]

Yeah, about 3-4 years ago

[digital fog]

Oh I didn't even knew what is wot at that time lol

[vernal nacelle]

No those all tanks from events and boxes

[steel belfry]

Bro, you have a lot of premium tanks but you dont have any X tier

[vernal nacelle]

All I get is tier 8 and 9s

[digital fog]

Wooo

[steel belfry]

When i have +/- 2k battles I already had four tier X tanks in my garage

[digital fog]

You got enough exp and cash to grind one more nation

[steel belfry]

I recommend you to focus on grinding tech trees

[steel belfry]

Im waiting for new chinesse heavys 🙂

[vernal nacelle]

The tech trees I'm grinding out

[steel belfry]

Good luck 🙂

[steel belfry]

Real wallet warrior

[simple dirge]

unfortunately i didn't get the sheri missile from the tech tree so i have no stats but i got it from the event

[simple dirge]

🫠

i've been playing since 2015. i still remember my first premium, the lepkz m41 german blackdog it was $45 when it came out and it recently sold for around $15 last time around ceazy price difference

[steel belfry]

I started playing in 2016 as a kid, I remember saving money to buy IS-6. It's still one of my favorites 🙂

[hearty spoke]

Can someone explain why my Grille 15 only does 400 - 600 damage?

[violet timber]

It has 580 alpha

[steel belfry]

has been nerfed

[simple dirge]

oh yes is6 is a beast of a tank what a nice pick tbh

Grilles dead it doesn't have anything worth playing until wg buffs its nerfs

[hearty spoke]

ok thx

[open delta]

whats the best teir VIII ?

[steel belfry]

T77, T54E2

[open delta]

is that prem or collectors

[steel belfry]

Prem

[open delta]

oof... i might not able to get it i only got the three bullet tank

[steel belfry]

Nice collection 🙂

[trail quest]

For that much I’d expect you to have very premium and collectors

[violet timber]

You’re missing quite a few tanks

[amber flume]

Why ping the mods ?

[violet timber]

Scam link

[calm drum]

jessefar_84 was banned.

[open delta]

is the American collector tank worth to sell bc i got already profit about 15k gold rn

[violet timber]

Which American collector?

[open delta]

wait me ss the two

ignore the premium i got it all from collector crates and mystery crates

[violet timber]

T95E6 is worth keeping, concept is only worth keeping if you enjoy it

[open delta]

why i cant sell some tanks is the capacity of selling is 10?

[violet timber]

5 a day

[open delta]

oh i see

Is concept 10 not worth of using

[blissful cave]

Todays tank of the day is Finnish captured KV-1

[trail quest]

So todays tank is Russian 😉😉

[sand prism]

It's good just not a very fun tank to play in some eyes

[open delta]

it do be kinda rotation

slow

[vernal nacelle]

Yo did I cook

[blissful cave]

I already did one for the KV-1 this TOD post would be specifically about its use in Finnish service

Tank of the day is something I do outside of here that I make posts for that are a historic description summary of them so the description would be different for this one

[open delta]

yes

[vernal nacelle]

How good

[blissful cave]

Tried to make some cool pictures with my model Kranvagn and Strv K

[pastel kiln]

Tonight’s tank of the night: Valentine Mk. IX! It may have a cute name, but this thing boasts a 6-pounder gun! Lovely little light tank.

[hearty spoke]

which tank destroyer is the best right now?

[lunar trail]

Hey y’all thing they gonna add jap superheavies?

[tulip steppe]

113gt is really good right now

[pastel kiln]

Probably the Northrop Grumman B21 Raider stealth bomber.

[naive nacelle]

Rate my tier 9,10 tanks (2k match)

[steep summit]

please fix the hitboxes of Leo PTA

this is unbelieveably frustrating

it also was a HE shot

[steep summit]

what are the models made of?

[blissful cave]

3D printed

[steep summit]

wow, they look pretty big. how long did they take to print? also where did you get the stls? did you make them yourself?

[blissful cave]

1/32 scale
Bought them from someone who prints em
But I painted them myself

[steep summit]

oh tahts neat. are they cheaper than model kits?

[blissful cave]

Yes definitely and require a lot less tedious effort but you still have to remove all the 3D print support scraps yourself but still a lot better than having to glue every track link and part together and stuff

I think 1/32 size 3D print from that guy are like 40$ when the average 1/35 model is like 50$

[steep summit]

i got this thick boi printed by my friend. found a free stl and sent it to him. i mean... it took him 3 months to het to print it, but it's my biggest (3d printed) model i have

[blissful cave]

https://www.3d-scale.de/3DScale/en/ here’s the site if you want to see what he has the guy is really nice too

[steep summit]

this hori is my smallest model

[steep summit]

thanks, gonna check out

[blissful cave]

I did get a mini Chrysler from somewhere on eBay it was the first concept tank thing I got

I love this whole 3D print thing because I’m able to get models of tanks that just don’t have any way to get some object of them like Kranvagn surprisingly no models of it exist and then even more obscure ones like Caliban

Later I want to ask if he could make a Tornvagn one since it’s my favorite tank but isn’t on his site

[steep summit]

im waiting for a Gravedigger and Dracula to be printed

[blissful cave]

I think he just does historic models he has all sorts of stuff and tanks not in the game idk if he will do game fakes

[vernal nacelle]

Yo did I cook

[lyric copper]

WZ-113G FT (China) or Obj. 268 (USSR)

[tulip steppe]

@swift quail are you using the hesh gun or no?

[near vector]

Really?

[lyric copper]

yes

[blissful cave]

Writing the post rn and while reading about its Finnish service history it mentions that they had the opportunity to capture a KV-2 but they destroyed it instead : (
We could’ve had a Finnish service KV-2

[signal musk]

wz 113gft/badger/xm66f/t110e4

mino and jageroo even e3 are pretty good too

[blissful cave]

It says they destroyed most of the immobilized KV’s so Finland only had 2 in actual service

[safe acorn]

Want me to do one?

Oh wait nvm you did one up KV-1 in Finnish Service

Ok to extend on that:
Finland captured two KV-1 variants, being KV-1E and the base model KV-1
KV-1E is a KV-1 with attached appliqué screens as a response to German long 50mm and 75s appearing

[verbal root]

I'm in a dilemma here
Should I use all 3 shell in the Emil 2 or use all of it?
Will I lose a lot of dpm if I use all 3 shell?

[blissful cave]

Both of them survived the war and are at parola I’ve seen em few times

[safe acorn]

Surprised that they did considering how badly KV-1s needed maintenance
Finland held true to their captured vehicles

[blissful cave]

Their KV-1E (the one with bolted on armor) is the only surviving one left

[safe acorn]

For my tank of the day: Obj 167T, the precursor to the T-72 Ural

To explain Obj 167T is to explain the 167's purpose
Originally made to be the mobilization variant of the T-62 when war strikes the front door of the USSR. A need for a bigger calibre for the T-62 while yet being cost effective led to the Obj 167, a T-62 with a planned installation of the 125mm D-81T (precursor to the famous 125mm we all know) and a couple of Malyutka missiles (like WZ-122TM)
Obj 167T is a derivative of the Obj 167 whereby it's powered by a gas turbine engine
Years before the production of the T-80

All in all
It's a shame that Obj 167 was put down with nothing from the project being put to use to modernize the baseline T-62

Be it the much better engine the 167 had or the installation of Malyutka missiles

[valid gale]

Check it

[blissful cave]

Is that the Abrams prototype I think I did one on it was it called X1 or something?

[valid gale]

That’s M1 thumper a completely separate abrams prototype

The story behind it is the insane technological jump near the end of the Cold War and resulted in OP technology

[wintry comet]

?

[safe acorn]

And then now
Japan is something else

[valid gale]

Type 10 while amazing is a bit shadowed in the western world tbh

Leopard 2A7V and especially the K2 black panther dominate it

[safe acorn]

Ah yes western world

Names Asian MBT

[valid gale]

Type 10 uses a lot of western design and technology

Type 90 was literally a Japanese leopard 2 lol

[safe acorn]

I still think Type 10 triumphs over the SePV2 and the 2A6

[thorny smelt]

Germans still names them after cats:

[valid gale]

Those are the older ones so that is why

[safe acorn]

Probs even the 2A7V considering how dumb the Type 10 is
It's what the Leclerc wished it could be

[valid gale]

2A7V I doubt since it’s newer and has even more armor for the Leo 2 but it definitely triumphs over leclerc

If there’s any other country that perfected auto loading it’s Japan

[safe acorn]

And speed apparently

[valid gale]

Tbf type 10 gets that because it’s a borderline medium weight but that also beats out leclerc

In reliability and speed long way from it type 90 and leclerc use them with no issues and type 10 also uses it

The Asian (western) inspired mbts have special drive trains that do allow them high speeds in reverse

[safe acorn]

But for 44tons and still schmoving at that kinda speed is something else

[valid gale]

I don’t know the specifics since I’m less versed on K2 and type 10

[safe acorn]

Type 10 goes around 70 in reverse and forwards

The engine ain't above standard at 1200hp
But it's the transmission doing some of the hard work pushing it to beyond what it should do

[valid gale]

Considering the weight and its power train that’s more than enough

[safe acorn]

And the weight itself is impressive for the armor effectiveness it has

[valid gale]

That’s the beauty of composites

Which really makes you think how effective the chunks in abrams and challenger 2 are since that’s where all the weight comes from

[safe acorn]

Japan putting in more work on composites to ensure it's stupidly slim
Unlike Britain

[valid gale]

That’s two different design philosophies

Type 10 is meant to be able to maneuver all along Japan where weight is paramount while chally 2 has no weight restrictions because it’s meant to work with assaults

[safe acorn]

Ah yes
We should not break the bridges we have
Break all the bridges we have

Britain just came full circle with their cruiser infantry tanks without realising it

All in all I think Type 10 belongs on the top 5 MBTs in the world

[valid gale]

When you can deploy your own bridges easy to see why

[safe acorn]

Come to think of it
Japan came a far long way in terms of tank technology

[hardy fern]

Is the Vickers Light's HE pen of 105 good enough to cut through most of the mediums (lower plate) at tier 10?

[halcyon lotus]

i don’t think so

[wary summit]

Only a few like the Leo 1, AMX-30b, TVP and CS-63

[covert holly]

any suggest how to play emil 1 ?
very slow and not much turn rate

[void tendon]

Hulldown, he have a solid turret, a good barrel. He have the same gameplay like Emil II and krang ( krang is ma favorite tank ❤️❤️)

[covert holly]

nah,all gun on t8 can pen the turret,even hulldown too

[blissful cave]

Bruh how
I got 10 customization containers and I didn’t get even one camo but I did get
The same pfp twice
Another two of the same pfp
The same pfp in epic and legendary like what whyyyy I don’t want these

literally 6/10 were just three sets of the same pfp how do those odds even work

[golden cargo]

Is Lorraine 50 t is good?
I just got it for 175 gold.

[halcyon lotus]

good tank but it’s pretty hard to play

[blissful cave]

To get a specific pfp is 0.67% :/
So stuff like this happens but this amount of “luck” seems to never go towards anything useful🙃

[covert holly]

somua but light and more speedy

[void tendon]

never or you use it like a sh*t look my stat on emil on my account maxiou74_78

[halcyon lotus]

you have mid stats tbh + you’re under 5k battles so you don’t have the right to say you’re good

not saying i’m good either i’m only like 53% wr on 14K battles

[void tendon]

its you ? or me

[rich blade]

thats u

[void tendon]

and this account its my second account i have lost the first 😭

[void tendon]

nice can i see you ?

[rich blade]

sure, just go on Blitzstars.com and type in my ingame name (same as here)

[void tendon]

me ?

[silver spire]

Nub

[halcyon lotus]

impressive, very nice. let’s see @silver spire’s stats

[void tendon]

emile is very good... XD

[silver spire]

Im trash

[void tendon]

negatif sir nobody is trash

[void tendon]

you love object 263 ? why ? armor dpm ?

[silver spire]

Ive never used it

[void tendon]

why it ur pp ?

[silver spire]

OHH lmao

[void tendon]

who play on my account ?

[silver spire]

Friend of mine uses it. I just threw up a random tank

[void tendon]

XD really or it trolling ?

[silver spire]

Really

[void tendon]

oh XD

[silver spire]

Hes nasty w it

[void tendon]

who ?

can you help me for play at 15 ? pls

[harsh elm]

sit in front of the enemy

[void tendon]

it penetrate by a lot of tank XD

[halcyon lotus]

camp. mobility is too sluggish to be able to second-line or frontline

[void tendon]

i don't camp i rush XD

[robust gale]

Guys is the Pawlack tank good?

[rich blade]

decent, it has some turret armor with rly good gundepression, but nothing game breaking

[subtle frost]

did anyone else know the t34 1776 had better camo than the t34?

i guess this is bcs the t34 doesnt have camo put on, i wonder if it was like this before camos were added though

[dapper whale]

is IS 4 even worth playing anymore?

[livid pond]

yes

[lyric copper]

use the correct gun, not the 32 Pdr

[solid gate]

Does anyone have the fv 4202 "Safari" legendary camouflage? I want to know how much it costs and if there is a 50% discount. Could someone tell me?

[rich blade]

it costs 2550 I think

[steel grotto]

mauschens gun is actually pretty good

[tawny otter]

What’s the best way to use the Caliban? Seems like a very poor tank and I might sell it

[solid gate]

aim at the enemy for 5+ sec, exchange all hp just for one shot

[verbal root]

Emil 2 is fun not suffer

[solid gate]

GSOR really bad depression and elevation

Aiming time just as bad lol

[lyric copper]

the GSOR has -10, and poor gun elevation is a common trait of oscillating turrets

the aim time is fine

[solid gate]

I feel it differently though

I've tried multiple play styles for it but all of them feels unnatural

[steel belfry]

meanwhile annihilator

[sand prism]

Good tank counters to 113?

[violet timber]

The aimtime is amazing, it’s the dispersion factors that are bad

[lyric copper]

quite a lot of them?

[sand prism]

Yeah I figured it out I know how to deal with them but for me type 71 most effective

I just faced a vk 90 in 1v1 tourney as type 71 and that was scary man

[blissful cave]

Alright fellas tank of the day what’s it gonna be
Yesterday’s was Finnish captured KV-1

[sand prism]

M551 sheridan

[blissful cave]

Also TOD # 200 is coming up idk what to do for that one probably panzer IV literally the most famous tank that I haven’t done yet somehow

[sand prism]

Obj 279e

[blissful cave]

Sheridan has been done already and object 279 prototype I can see about that one

[sleek sparrow]

Talk about panzer 68. its actually have spaced armor version and it's called Panzer 68 ET

[rich blade]

i want

[blissful cave]

Todays tank of the day is object 726 (the tank’s actual name)

[sand prism]

Nice ty btw

[blissful cave]

Churchill GC is insane

Also I got 6 kills they really couldn’t just let me have that last one

[amber flume]

@blissful cave talk bout the history of the japanese type 68 line pls

[blissful cave]

Like the damage to reload for a tier 6 and the fact it doesn’t have the awful mobility of normal Churchill like being decent speed and having double track rotation while Churchill has only one track rotation if I remember

[blissful cave]

The Japanese heavy line is all completely fake

[amber flume]

****. Hmmm lemme think

The cute tiny fast asf LOCUST

[blissful cave]

Locust has already been requested

[amber flume]

You have a list on that stuff or smth?

[blissful cave]

I don’t have a TOD list because that’s like 197 tanks

I do know which have been done tho just not in a compiled list

[amber flume]

Su 122

[blissful cave]

That one hasn’t been done yet

But todays has already been picked as object 726 I can do that one tomorrow

[amber flume]

Righhtttt. Ya know what. Imma dm you EVRY morning to get a bit of tank lore and evry day ill try to find s evem more cursend tank lol

[blissful cave]

Any concepts and stuff you wanna know about that’s my thing

I did finish the list of every tank in the game real vs fake with the help of some other people on here it was so fun

[blissful cave]

So after today (obj 726) and tomorrow (SU-122) it’ll be TOD day 200 any special ideas? I was thinking panzer IV an absolute iconic tank I somehow didn’t do yet I did a variant of it but not one on panzer IV as a whole

TOD day 100 was the Eagle 7 crew’s Pershing since the battle at cologne is what made it my favorite tank
(fav now is Tornvagn but sometimes I don’t count it since it was only a blueprint I just love the design Pershing is my favorite that actually existed)

[finite raven]

Worth it?

[pastel kiln]

Yes

Tonight’s Tank of the Night: It came straight from the trenches, over a century ago, it’s the Mark IV Heavy!

[verbal root]

That's why I didn't touch tier 7 no more

[tulip steppe]

gun seems better than glacial but armour isnt as strong

[dry sun]

So u still touch tier 5 and lower?

[verbal root]

Sometimes cuz I have PZ 2 j

[dry sun]

Yh it's alright, it's just like a version of the chrysler k but lower tier

[verbal root]

I only touched tier 8 cuz tier advantage

[random ruin]

Bro does the tortoise have a weaker armor than the at-15? Bc I die much faster with that tortoise than with the at-15 in a game

[lyric copper]

no, just that the average tier 9 has more pen than the average tier 8

[random ruin]

Oh ok thanks

[dry sun]

True that. I have that tier 8 Chinese td that looks like a cheese wedge and has a tier 10 gun with troll armor and nice mobility

[dry sun]

Oh yh but it has worser armor, and a bit bad aiming time I believe

[dry sun]

Idk why but I don't touch tier 5 or lower. I even sold the Renault g1, and medjay for gold

[verbal root]

Less player so long matchmaking

[dry sun]

True

[rotund gull]

WG added this for Germany XD

[steel belfry]

well, let me remind you that on IXt there is something like SU-122-54 🙂

[verbal root]

I don't go near that thing

[steel belfry]

I won the entire 1v1 tournament on IX with it 🙂

[verbal root]

Only when using Emil 2 I'll rush

[verbal root]

Same thing but I use Emil 2
Free 850k

[steel belfry]

VII and IX tiers have most unbalanced tanks in game

[blissful cave]

Tier 7 and 9 you’re just put with 8 and 10’s 90% of the time because those are the most popular tiers

And the difference between tier 7 to 8 is what I think probably the biggest gap between tiers in the game or maybe 5’s against 6’s

[true socket]

I would argue t8 and t9 is the largest gap because t9s all have t10 guns so there's a massive pen and dpm gap

like a lot of t8 meds sit around 2k dpm while there's t9 meds with 3k dpm

the t9 yoh for example or obj 752 or t54 just absolutely obliterate their t8 counterparts

[remote kindle]

I would say t9 vs t10 is a bigger gap.

[true socket]

most t8 tanks can't pen the e75 frontally at all whereas t9s can all pen t10s because they have t10 guns

[remote kindle]

Yea but t9’s are butter to t10’s. And their mobility, accuracy, armor are way less then their t10’s. And they have more weakspots normally

[violet timber]

Most T9s are very close to actually being a tier 10 at this point

[true socket]

t8s are even moreso butter to t9s because t9s have t10 guns. Also I don't think the armor gap argument makes any sense given there isn't a massive armor jump looking at like t54 vs t62 or e75 vs e100 or st1 vs is4. The t9s are tier for tier 100% more heavily armored

t9 vs t10 yoh also. T9s have very good armor tier for tier imo

[blissful cave]

Yea I say the least difference is 9 fighting 10’s a lot of them are perfectly fine and capable of fighting 10’s

[remote kindle]

Take Maushen agaisn’t maus. That’s a gap.

[violet timber]

Not really anymore, mauschen has gotten some nice buffs, and is getting more in 10.6 iirc

[true socket]

^

[blissful cave]

Like if you’re a tier 5 in a tier 6 or a 7 in an 8 match you’re gonna be like “ah great this won’t be a good time” but like if I’m playing T95 I can easily dominate tier 10’s and my cobras heat has no problem against heavies it’ll butter right through em (heat is cobras standard)

[violet timber]

Generally I’m a lot more confident as a tier 9 in a tier 10 game than a tier 8 in a tier 9 game

[blissful cave]

Yea

Most tier 9’s are like “tier 10 jr” but some feel like just “tier 8+” idk how to describe it like they feel like they’re supposed to be with the tier 8’s like M46 Patton

[violet timber]

M46 feels very weird, but I kinda like it

[blissful cave]

Things like M46 Patton are supposed to fight stuff like tier 8’s and cannot handle tier 10’s like at all
But then stuff like T95 i question how it itsnt already a tier 10

[true socket]

Like bro if I'm driving a 752 in a t8 game like I've got no fear at all lol. It's like a feel of invincibility I don't really feel at any other tier. Even at like t7 for example with the smasher I've got firepower but its that combination of firepower while also having near t10 armor that makes it so busted when you're in a good t9 tank

[violet timber]

Just make 752 a tier 10 already

[true socket]

I had the same feeling with tanks like the e75 or t9 yoh. I can just stomp t8 tanks with impunity

[blissful cave]

Looking through some of my tier 9’s it’s like lmao Emil II is literally just kranvagn in tier 9 they look and work nearly identical except with slightly reduced stats to be a 9

[halcyon lotus]

petition for WG to not release the Kpz 07 P(E). it only looks cool but it looks really toxic

[languid olive]

why do i keep bouncing the sides of 752 when theres no red

[true socket]

it has spaced side armor like the is7 and also steeply angled

[blissful cave]

I really want it kpz 70 Porsche concept is one of the coolest looking tanks I’ve ever seen I have a ton of gold ready for it and being really good is just a plus for me😏

[violet timber]

Angles

[remote kindle]

The turret :
The hull : 👽

[languid olive]

did not know, i bounce more of the sides than the front

[true socket]

yeah the side armor is an absolute nightmare and super troll

[keen flume]

Front is also troll and well armoured

[true socket]

I've played the 752 3 battles in pubs, 100% wr 3.8k avg damage and then left it to collect dust

[violet timber]

Shoot low towards the middle of the tank. The turret basket extends underneath and isn’t nearly as angled.

[true socket]

I have so many t9 tanks with like less than 10 battles where my stats are absolutely absurd, like high 3k minimum and the reason for that is because you only face t8s in the grace period. I can't do that in the grace periods for any other tier

[blissful cave]

I love how cobra looks like it should be a tier 8 but dang it’s like one of the best 9’s able to absolutely beat up tier 10’s

[true socket]

some ratings leaderboard dude last season mained cobra and was top damage almost every game i had him in

[violet timber]

Cobra is crazy fun

[blissful cave]

Like visually the tank itself kinda looks similar to a comet hull and all the other school of tank technology tanks are tier 8’s like Caliban Charlemagne and chimera and GSOR

Also if Caliban had its realistic concept statistics it’d be a tier 10 for sure WG annihilated its reload speed and mobility and changed the fact it was supposed to be lighter (and faster? I’d need to check again) than centurion just to make it a heavy and game balance

Also give it its nuclear warhead shells😎

[safe acorn]

@blissful cave I shall take over your position on weekends

[solid gate]

they should add a second camo for 215b

[remote plank]

Corbra is just British Emil 1

[wary summit]

What similarity does both even have

[undone star]

Both swedish ig

[solid gate]

none 💀

[pastel otter]

They do. It’s the octopus and the octopus x which is a special camo bit I’d like to see a tactical camo like the 4005 and the Vickers Light have

[solid gate]

ong thatswht im sayn

[solid gate]

what does octupus x look like comparwd to normal can uou show picture

[pastel otter]

It’s just blue and black instead of red and black but it’s supposed to be an elite/hard to get camo

[solid gate]

oh like spinosaurous on stb

[supple hearth]

FV215b is underrated

[pastel otter]

Agreed. It’s fantastic. The only thing the chieftain has over it, is gun depression.

[supple hearth]

But the FV215b have a better HE pen than it

And an accurate gun

[pastel otter]

Yeah. I run calibrated on mine for HESH pen and the 4% armor buff to make the upper plate harder to pen at an angle

[wintry summit]

Hey team, what are your opinions on the T-44-100??

[pastel otter]

It’s meh. Just a t-44 but it’s funny when t49’s bounce off the side armor cause it’s spaced every once in a while

[valid gale]

It doesn’t but if you wanna be super elitist it technically does when you shoot at extreme angles

[pastel otter]

No but it bounces in blitz at extreme angles. HE can do it too. You’re right, in theory it won’t since it’s a shaped charge ammo

[lunar trellis]

Is the Is4 worth grinding? (Currently)

[halcyon lotus]

nah

[static geyser]

Should tanks with secondary cannons be actually functional?

I mean secondary cannon like the ones on KV-4, m3 Lee, Maus, E100

[pastel otter]

It would be interesting but I don’t know if they’ll do it considering mobile players already have a slightly crowded screen with all the stuff they need. But I’d like to see them add the Swedish TD’s

[static geyser]

Maybe make this only an option for PC players? Like only PC players have the ability to reload mid-shell on a clip tanks

[pastel otter]

You can do it on mobile. Just double tap the shell you want to reload

[analog girder]

Something needs done with the Annihilator

[static geyser]

Wait you can? Didnt know that till now

[pastel otter]

Yeah lol you can reload a partial mag if you need

[halcyon lotus]

no. it’s okay as it is.

i don’t own anni btw

[static geyser]

True its basically a slower 150mm gun

[analog girder]

It is blatantly overpowered when downtiered against VI's an is able to one shot some vehicles

[pastel otter]

They won’t touch it since it’s a premium and it’ll make a LOT of people mad as they main the anni since it’s op. But wargaming will never buff it since it’s so strong. It’s easy to counter. Not the worst to deal with if you know what you’re doing

[halcyon lotus]

it’s not overpowered if you know how to counter it. for example, it has a weak turret roof and lower plate.

besides, a tank doesn’t just need a good gun to be a good tank. it also needs mobility or armor

[static geyser]

True, just like player’s reaction to IS-4 nerf but worse

[static geyser]

(Still not happy about it)

[pastel otter]

People were very disappointed yes. It shouldn’t have been touched since you didn’t see it as often as the IS-7 and other heavies in the game. Instead they made the IS-7 stronger, the IS-4 weaker(armor wise) and kinda ruined the reputation of the line as well rounded well armored tanks

[valid gale]

Hell no is4 was an issue and I’m glad that’s one less heavy on the board yes other ones got stupidly buffed but so did the mediums and it’s a start to the downfall of heavy meta

[winged sail]

never cook

[halcyon lotus]

nah i can cook trust me bro

[winged sail]

if a smasher with armor and 2700 dpm isnt overpowered then what is

using ur logic we can say "kran doesn't have armor if you know how to counter it"

[plucky summit]

JPanther is a great tank

[tulip steppe]

in that location under 1min into the battle isn't really ideal

[plucky summit]

Okay, so what’s the problem?

[thorny smelt]

Wrong location

[wary summit]

This is a whole mess

[winged sail]

jagdpanther is the best non op tank in tier 7 tbh

[strong yarrow]

feelin like selling my 111 5a for type 59 hmu if its worth it

[wary summit]

No it is not

[strong yarrow]

tbh i have a hard time playing the 5a since my style is more is 7,4 armor on 5a feels more is 8ish

[halcyon lotus]

sell it and save your gold for a different tank.

[strong yarrow]

just gotta wait for a good deal to land on my lap then, in the meantime imma try new ways to play this tank

[zealous summit]

I just won it, what do u think of Charlemagne

[blissful cave]

I think it’s a good tank I like it a lot it’s gun feels way nicer than Tornvagn’s

[charred dragon]

Solid tank, got it from the snow globe

[honest rampart]

It get's way more hate then it deserves, it's a fine tank as long as you use HESH as standard ammo and AP as prammo ( in that HESH deals more dmg but has less pen and AP deals less dmg but has more pen)

[safe acorn]

Idk why Tornvagn's 105mm feels average

[uneven moat]

Guys is it better to sell super conqueror and buy this offer ?

[quasi wedge]

keep your super conqueror, it's a good tank

[blissful nebula]

No

[uneven moat]

What is the difference between blue tanks and gold tanks ? Which is better ?

[blissful nebula]

Blue tanks= tanks that sell for gold, gold tanks= tanks that sell for credits.

[amber flume]

@blissful cave. Su 122

[onyx raven]

[split saddle]

Bruh

[zenith shadow]

No cs-52 lis is free tank

T34 should be alright but mainly because cs-52 lis is usually free to get

[dim pollen]

And both earn the same amount of credits?

[dim pollen]

What?
U wanna sell a tier X to buy a tier 8?

[rich blade]

its hardly depending on the credits coeffizient, some collectors/premiums dosnt make any credits

[dim pollen]

I see

[rich blade]

for example M60 is a premium, but dosnt make any credits, or not more then a TT

[dim pollen]

Bcoz M60 ie a tier X?

[rich blade]

nope

[uneven moat]

I thought I can make more credits with 2 tanks instead of 1

[dim pollen]

Interesting

[dim pollen]

But t34 isn't a good tank though

[violet timber]

T34 is pretty solid

[vagrant vale]

We need one person for the 6th level tournament with ds (we are Russian), write to the bos for questions

[blissful cave]

Which one 122 or 122-54 one is t-34 hull one is T-54

[lyric copper]

the second one

[blissful cave]

Second one as in 54 or second one as in the second image 122 (yea I guess I did that badly)

Basically SU-122 or SU-122-54

[lyric copper]

122

[amber flume]

Lol. I pulled su 122 54 from epic crate. 0.05%. Its like i pulled ae phase lmao

[opaque zodiac]

I thought it's su 122 44

[amber flume]

Yeah. Tht. Mb

[opaque zodiac]

Nahh I thought they made another copy paste Russian td 💀

[amber flume]

Lmao. Littuarly all russian heavies are fantasy/not even build

[solid gate]

why is the charlemagne english ? it should be french.

[opaque zodiac]

Idk man

[amber flume]

Same

[balmy compass]

the entire IS-7 line is real and all the tanks there were built

[solid gate]

true, i saw all of them in the Patriot Park in Moscow

[amber flume]

Ohhh nahhh. You russian?

[solid gate]

yes

[amber flume]

Im ukranian💀

[solid gate]

even have some photos if you want

[solid gate]

honnestly, i dont care

[blissful cave]

Because it was a tank design made by the British school of tank technology https://thedailybounce.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Charlemagne-.jpg

[amber flume]

Damn. You do know a sh!t ton bout tanks lol

[solid gate]

ow, interesting, thats what i assumed

[blissful cave]

I want to see the IS-7 so bad

[amber flume]

Cool. As a child i didnt know bout all the crap happenin in russia. I really wanted to visit the cathedral. But my parent really hold me back cuz yeah. U know what happening. Anyway. Id love to see pics cuz im more inro tanks than war ngl

[solid gate]

just come visit Russia, they have more than a thousand renoved tanks at this park (well maybe not, but hundreds is sure)

[blissful cave]

Probably not the best idea rn

Maybe later tho since it’s pretty close to Finland

[solid gate]

doch, you just have to take the bus from there

[amber flume]

Id rather visit a different museum. Like russia looks bright but if you know whats happening its just corruption at its finest

[solid gate]

i dont really see the logic of not visiting a museum because the state is corrupted, but thats politics and i dont wanna be banned

[blissful cave]

I want to see the Maus there

[lapis anvil]

Whats that gotta do with anything? Like your country is a saint

[amber flume]

???. Like whats that supposed to mean.

[blissful cave]

But yea in short I was just saying I do want to go there to see the tanks just now is not a good time

[solid gate]

it is huge

btw, does anyone knows how the mods work in blitz ?

[amber flume]

Yes. Also. Tanks are just cool asf so war no war. Idc. Just a tank fan

[opaque zodiac]

There's some videos on YouTube they're more accurate there I think

[solid gate]

good idea, thanks

[solid gate]

they sometime have live shows of some tanks

[opaque zodiac]

And there's also links of mods there so it will be easier and faster

[amber flume]

Cool. But the only tank im dreamin of is just f alot of DERP tanks. Like caliban( idk if its real). @blissful cave. Caliban real?

[lyric copper]

iirc it is

[amber flume]

Yippie. Ehm. Oh cool. Derp derp derp. Meme meme meme. 900 dmg. Less goo

[onyx raven]

I’m only a three hour drive from the largest collection of running armoured vehicles in the world

[blissful cave]

Yes it is
It was another British school of tank technology concept and funky fact it was supposed to have nuclear warhead shells

[blissful cave]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3gn9ywjs160 this guy has a really good video on it that goes into detail the entire project it’s not long

I know the real or fake or nearly every tank in the game if there’s any you want to know just ask

[solid gate]

WeeGee should give Caliban its mt mobility and nuke shells

With more damage than the 183 HESH

[blissful cave]

Yea it was supposed to be lighter than centurion,have good mobility and way faster rounds per minute but WG decided to trash all that just so they could make it another tier 8 heavy premium just make it tier 8 KV-2

[amber flume]

It nearly does lmao

[amber flume]

Yeah. Das bs. Like where da hell is the armour????!?!?!. Oh wait? Fast??????

[blissful cave]

Realistic stats Caliban would be like a tier 10 medium

[solid gate]

at least make it a collector for me to comfortably sell it

[solid gate]

The smasher is not far from that

Just give the ISU 152 top gun to a heavy, maybe buff the damage, and it will be perfect

[blissful cave]

Also look at this mini Caliban model I did it’s solid black as a reference to the STT mock-ups like the Charlemagne image up there

[solid gate]

Ooooo, very cool

[amber flume]

Lemme show you my lego collection lol

[blissful cave]

I have a bigger one on the way that one I’ll do with realistic colors

[solid gate]

Do you want to see mine ? 🤣🤣

[blissful cave]

Do you want to see my model tank collection 😏

[amber flume]

Sure

[solid gate]

Are you planning on making some of them RC ?

Do you want to see the Panther I kept into my basement so the german government doesn't find it-

[blissful cave]

Bigger as in 1/48 scale
But I do have 3 big 1/16 RC tanks
Super Pershing
T-34-85 with Rudy markings
And Finnish Sturmi

[solid gate]

Only tank I have is this thing, cannot even identify the model, maybe some korean thingy

[amber flume]

Its tiny but imma got for some tank later to make collection bigger

[solid gate]

Niceee, are they métal, like the Torro Taigen ones ?

[blissful cave]

They are not

[solid gate]

They are Nice, coby I suppose ?

[blissful cave]

RC Super Pershing or the Kranvagn I just finished recently are probably my favorite I’ve made

Here’s the Kranvagn and Super Pershing

[amber flume]

Nope. Well. One is. The big tiger. The rest is of a web site that sells off brand way cheaper. Like the maus is 35$ and has over 2000 parts. Your wobb.com

[solid gate]

Oh, I see

[blissful cave]

Should I do a full tank collection thing

[amber flume]

Yeah. Why not.

Tommorow a new tank awaits😉 @blissful cave

[blissful cave]

Alright here it is it’s a huge mess I don’t have a place for all of em yet I’m gonna need a bigger place or shelf and stuff to put em all

[steel belfry]

Oh, nice maus 🙂
here's mine, but 1:72 model 🙂

[blissful cave]

Forgot RC Sturmi and the new guys

[amber flume]

Damn. Bro got SNATCH film. Gg btw. Yo gotta be an adult cuz my parents would never buy me this amout of tanks lol

[blissful cave]

I rented it from the library yesterday gonna watch it today they had it

Cross promotion lmao

[amber flume]

Also. I love kran. One of my fav tier 10 tank is burning games lol. Unleash 1900 dmg. Or amx 50 100 maybe good too tho. Or progetto. All auto loaders are insane in burnijg games

[blissful cave]

Next tanks I’m gonna make will probably be IS-7 and T95

Or AE phase 1 maybe or charioteer

Idk just two of those 4 at a time

[amber flume]

Charioteer is just a hog rider. Insame dpm. Rushes the target. Lol

[blissful cave]

The crown piece of my collection would be a Tornvagn thing it’s my favorite tank but zero models of it exist not even 3D prints which I’ve been getting a lot of lately because it’s the best way to get some obscure favorites like Kranvagn,Caliban,Strv K and T57

[autumn sentinel]

Is this a smile emoji on Mitsu

[amber flume]

No way

Mitsu tier 5 derp. Like 250 dmg is ongod. Like how. Its a tiny tier 7 kv2 lol

[unborn yoke]

Hi, someonw know how much does the chieftain mk.6 royal camouflage cost?

[blissful cave]

I think 2550

[unborn yoke]

thanks... only!!

[solid gate]

Ask WG for the 3d model 🤣🤣🤣

[hearty spoke]

is jagdpanzer e100 playable?

[sonic briar]

In my opinion yes

[hearty spoke]

ok thx, just thinking about it bc its so slow

[sonic briar]

You're almost like a E100 , without turret

[hearty spoke]

yeah but e100 is very slow too xD

[undone star]

Its not

[solid gate]

KV-1 has a derp cannon too

[obtuse folio]

badger or obj 268/4 ?

[errant oak]

badger

[obtuse folio]

or Super Conqueror ? hmm

[errant oak]

Idk

Totally dif

[obtuse folio]

I know, was just thinking what to restore. Badger it is

[honest rampart]

Breh where did you buy that Sturmgeschütz? I want one too ;-;

[blissful cave]

https://www.motionrc.com/products/heng-long-german-stug-iii-f8-upgrade-edition-1-16-scale-antitank-vehicle-rtr-hlg3868-001 I got this one and then just completely customized painted it to look like the Sturmi’s used in Finnish service

And they have a bunch of other tanks on there too they’re high quality RC’s you can use outside and stuff

My T-34-85 and Pershing are also same brand I just got those on Amazon and eBay before I found this site but this site has the cheapest prices for em they’re on average 150-160$

They’re very expensive so I won’t get more than the ones I have I did see a video of someone with a Sherman firefly and thought that was cool af but then found out it was a custom mod to the Sherman one I wouldn’t really be able to physically alter it like that I’m just good at painting but I did make the Super Pershing plates out of cardboard and it looks good

[safe acorn]

I figured the Japanese heavy line is inspired by what'll happen if Japan encountered the Pershing
And then for the later stages would mimic western heavy tank rush of the 50s

[blissful cave]

I like when the fakes are at least based on some realistic idea like that

[blissful cave]

Bruh what kind of garbage offer is this💀

[signal musk]

💀

[blissful cave]

Only 3.7k gold and 2 mystery crates for 11$

[night bluff]

lol

dont buy it, not worth it

[blissful cave]

Wasn’t planning on it

[night bluff]

ok, lol

[solid gate]

The game is broken
Everyone sees this error
When can authorized people fix this?

[safe acorn]

Woah that last pic

[solid gate]

Same error happens when tanks fire

@safe acorn When will the authorities take care?

I can't reach

[safe acorn]

What makes you think I know?

[blissful nebula]

It’s only with the chi he stock gun.

[solid gate]

Because I sent a message to the people in charge and they didn't respond.

[violet timber]

Redownload the game

[solid gate]

Many people see this error

[violet timber]

That doesn’t mean you can’t redownload the game…

[solid gate]

I deleted the game now

I'm reloading

[violet timber]

Crazy, not that hard

[safe acorn]

Depends on how aggressive you are with TDs

[blissful cave]

Completely random thing but
Speaking of TD’s man I just cannot play camp-y TD’s I can’t stand just staying still in some spot at the back of the map and just waiting until somebody just happens to come by I like assault TD’s like T95

I have a mission for being top damage in Soviet TD’s and my options are ISU-152 and SU-100Y the ISU is one of my favorite tanks irl but the playstyle isn’t really my thing

[ocean pivot]

Su100y is you best option I'd say, I usually play my TDs frontline or closeish even stuff like the rhm, the su100y deals it's damage and most t6 players don't really know how to flank

[safe acorn]

Thing is Su-100Ys pretty thin and large

[ocean pivot]

Yeah, better to sit back for a little then harshly punish one side by pushing them going flank, works like a charm for me usually

It's nice but is it not more suited for #blitz-art ?

Well, seeing as it's currently 2:40am maybe people are sleeping?

[charred dragon]

Back to back aces, pretty surprised i aced the sheri with that little dmg but first back to back for me in Tier X (also this is APAC server so aces are probably easier to get)

[dusty compass]

Do we need char 2c

Why

[wary summit]

It's probably going to be in the same tier as the weird tier 3 German ht

[rotund gull]

but biger

[wary summit]

And more annoying to use

[rotund gull]

Tier 3 on PC version

[wary summit]

I guess corrected xddd

[rotund gull]

https://tenor.com/view/toothless-toothless-dragon-lizard-dance-dancing-gif-18147614732076936345

[honest rampart]

Thx :D
And bruh it's a lot cheaper then I expected

[honest rampart]

Bud, maybe you should wait more then 5 minutes..

[safe acorn]

Would like if it's the Lorraine variant for Tier 5

[feral wave]

I mean we have the Grobtraktor which is just a smaller version but I would love to see it too

[cinder dust]

Snc have nice Blind

[meager viper]

Why is the ac 1 sentinel the only Australian tank in the game? I play on the Nintendo switch (lite) for context, though I don't know if the platform matters.

[thorny smelt]

There's 2 of them: AC I and AC IV Sentinel

[meager viper]

I've got the IV one

[cinder dust]

https://tenor.com/view/tank-tennis-gif-22394258

[agile sphinx]

Does anyone know how many tanks there are in World of Tanks Blitz?

[onyx raven]

At least 1

[agile sphinx]

…

[lyric copper]

there’s the AC I, AC IV, and Cent 5/1 RAAC

[halcyon lotus]

more than 605 vehicles

[thorny smelt]

I forgot the RAAC

[agile sphinx]

Thanks

[vestal ingot]

guys i actually think the t23e3 is good

[wise moth]

600 HP is insane for a PC tier III

[vestal ingot]

3 sec reload 100+ dmg per shot, usually over 40kph

[solid gate]

Hey im new but should i get the new bz 75?

Can someone help me with that

[amber geode]

Not really, try something easier like E-100 or 60tp branch

[onyx raven]

It hasn’t been added yet, and the branch looks rather skill-based from what I’ve seen on the OpenTest.

[hollow dagger]

Normal SMV battles be like:

And what line should i grind i have 5 accounts and like 7000 battles combined

[vestal ingot]

guys

should i grind stb-1 line? I want a medium line and im at tier VI of the japanese mediums. Wdyt?

[agile sphinx]

I think that one is good, it depends on your personal opinion

[modest talon]

its worth the grind, stb 1 is one of the best t10 mediums right now

[valid gale]

Best is based off what traits you consider competitive rn but it’s a must have anyways

[agile sphinx]

Every time I encounter it, I get lost again.

[hollow dagger]

What line should i grind when i have the most experience on TD and heavies

[deep belfry]

How good do you guys think the T26E4 Super Pershing is? I saw it at a discount and I'm thinking of purchasing it.

[hollow dagger]

Id say it has pros and cons

Pros are

Fast reload
Semi Good hull
Semi Good pen
Fast

Cons
Turret armour
Turn rate

My opinion

[sleek apex]

Its quite slow for a medium
Its nice on hulldown and the armor works time to time

Not the best t8 prem to use regularly though

[safe acorn]

It's a heavium
Or more so Medvy

[violet timber]

💀

[hollow dagger]

My opinion

[charred dragon]

STB-1 is great, but the preceding tiers are painful, so if you have a lot of fxp then definetely reaserch evrything

[violet timber]

Spershing’s reload isn’t anything special, and it’s armor kinda sucks

[onyx raven]

Slow, bad gun, poor mobility, and a ton of other downsides for only a bit of armour. I’d steer clear.

[violet timber]

Gets the downsides of both heavies and mediums, with the only real upside to it being the above average pen for a tier 8 med

[sleek apex]

I would only recommend it only if you are into historical tanks, other options are Chimera, Cent Mk. 5/1 and T26E5, Defender Mk.1 if you count autoloader

[hollow dagger]

Chimera is a beast

[safe acorn]

But ain't gonna lie
I'd get Super Pershing because it's those one off tanks America does and it was something

[west breach]

IS-7 equipment loadout?

[meager viper]

I'll see if I can find the cent. Only the ac IV appears for me

[sleek apex]

Yep, one of the two pilot tanks made and the only one fitted with add on armor

[hollow dagger]

Improved modules

[west breach]

no i mean all 9 slots

[hollow dagger]

Lemme think

[safe acorn]

T26E4 is the one with the long gun and 2 piece ammunition
The one we have is T26E1-1
Long 90mm
One piece ammo
Bolt on armor

[west breach]

u can just go in blitz and take a pic of the slots its easier than typing

[hollow dagger]

I dont have it

[violet timber]

This is what I’m running atm, but I haven’t updated it in a while so there could be a better loadout somewhere else

[west breach]

the exact same as Im running except i run H.E.C and I.M

[violet timber]

Generally defense system is going to be better than improved modules

[sleek apex]

Last time i have read about it it was debated whether it is a T26E4 or T26E1-1, some images says latter but it was also told that "they forgot to change it", been over a year since i read that somewhere in the internet though.

[west breach]

tbh cuz I ram tanks in teh IS-7 alot I run improved modules

[violet timber]

That’s fair

[safe acorn]

T26E4 and T26E1-1 are basically 99% similar except for the gun and type of ammo they use

The one everyone is familiar with as the Super Pershing is basically one of the T26E4s delivered to Europe modified with welded-on Panther parts

[west breach]

also defense system just decreases the chance of ammorack improved modules has a near certain chance of being able to survive one shot to the ammorack from an 183 or a jag

[onyx raven]

They’re the same thing.

[sleek apex]

I see

[violet timber]

Defense system makes it less likely for your ammo rack to be hit in the first place, paired with the 10% hp you’re already getting from prot kit your ammo is pretty safe

[west breach]

makes sense but i dont often encounter 183s and Jag's just minos and badgers and i like ramming

[safe acorn]

That modified super persh can actually withstand a shot from an IS-2 from the front
That and ofc the long 88

Wonder how the T26E5 would've fared

[sleek apex]

There was some story about the T26E4 facing off a King Tiger, but i doubt it was real

[violet timber]

T26E1-1 isn’t actually a thing, it’s a mislabel. They’re all T26E4

[safe acorn]

That super Pershing faced something at Dessau
But knowing US crews called everything a King Tiger, that's about it

[sleek apex]

Yep

[safe acorn]

Anyways the real Super Pershing would be the T32

[onyx raven]

My guess is that they faced a Panther. It’s the closest thing to a KT in looks and it certainly would’ve seemed impressive enough.

[safe acorn]

Or a Panzer IV

I'm not exaggerating on how paranoid they were

[onyx raven]

It’s not paranoia, it’s embellishing. They likely came up with the story to make it look like the T26E4 was amazing.

[safe acorn]

It's either a Panzer IV or nothing

[granite rivet]

If you squint...

[safe acorn]

All I found was that Dassau had no defending Tigers at the time

And the vehicle the E4 shot got hit in the lower plate thus got evaporated by a fuel explosion

[violet timber]

Iirc America only faced tigers 3 times

The rest were just panzer 4s

[safe acorn]

The Brits faced the Tiger more so than the Americans

And then funnily enough the Americans killed more Tigers than Germany ever produced

But eh why need a Pershing when you can have a whole lot of M4A3E8s lying around

The Korean war was always weird
ie you got M4 Sherman's getting CAS from F-84 jets vice versa for T-34-85s

[deep belfry]

So rather than being a tank that you use regularly, the Spershing in the game is more of a tank that you can collect.

Now I understand why it could appear in the weekly boxes of 600 gold

[shy prawn]

Is dracula still good for teir 7?

[livid jewel]

Wg should add this

[balmy compass]

we have the Gargoyle

[obsidian mirage]

Imagine Fv215B will be op💀

[violet timber]

That’s not the 215b

[obsidian mirage]

Do you remember when fv215b(HT) get penetration buff and conqueror get effected too becouse they shared the same gun?

[violet timber]

None of the aspects buffed there are shared…

[safe cedar]

I seriously doubt that number

I doubt the number was high, but 3 seems unrealistically low.

it was probably about 35-45 encounters

More if we include italy.

[rich blade]

bro I cant wait until the FV215b gets buffed to 3065 DPM

Wait that would be a nerf

[violet timber]

It’s from the chieftain on YouTube in his myths about American armor video

[safe cedar]

I wouldn't take cheiftan as a reliable source

[violet timber]

His sources are archives so I’d take him as reliable

[amber flume]

@safe cedar. Now that i think about it. France does have alot of prems.
Amx 30 b
Somua sm
Amx prot
Bouracque
Amx cdc
And alot more!
Yes they are usually paid but still. I think china or japan has like nearly no prems/tech tree

[rich blade]

FMC 50t, Lorr 40t, Frence Panther, AMX CDA 105

[onyx raven]

The Japanese have only three premiums. One is unobtainable, one isn’t worth playing, and one good.

[onyx raven]

Also, China has a ton of premiums.

[safe cedar]

Yes, but chinese TT is much bigger

[amber flume]

Yeah. The chinese was updated not long ago

[safe cedar]

Its quite sad how small the French TT is

Made worse by the fact the French, who at one point led tank tank development (as of the beginning of ww2 only ussr had more tanks) is on par with japan who barely has any tanks at all.

[amber flume]

Yeah. Like the fact that french tanks dominate but no new tanks is really sad. With japan i get it cuz the had lile 0 tanks but french. Cmon they have so much to pull from

[safe cedar]

French tanks dominate?

[amber flume]

Well. They are hard to play but still. Light tank is very good if know how to play witu it. Like foch is ruined amd so is the heavy

[safe cedar]

Which heavy

The AMX 50b is much better imo currently.

[amber flume]

Nah. Like for a heavy the armour is trash. Like my tier 8 can pen. Yes 4 shot 400 dmg ammo load is good but the back is trash. Like you need to play it hull down no rush tactic. If yoi rush ur armour aint protecting ya

[safe cedar]

Its not supposed to have armour and in never had had much armour?
The emphasis has always been on the gun & mobility.

[amber flume]

Yeah. Like i remember amx
50b bieng op back on the day. Op. Its was a monster untill newer better tanks showed up and shamed it

[safe cedar]

It was never really OP, it's always been good, but in a balanced way

[amber flume]

Hmm. What ever. Remember on my old acc i was beating evryone in amx 50b. Lost the acc on a old ipad i was young so o had no google acc 😥

[dry osprey]

Why the FV4005 has not the 183mm gun ?

[frosty holly]

Balancing issues probably

[livid jewel]

Wdym by that, just add a 183 gun like fv215b , thats it

Just dont make it a realoader

[solid gate]

Because different of the FV215b 183, it is fast and maybe they didn't want a thing with 900 damage going at 40km/h on the small blitz maps

[dry osprey]

Ok thank

[safe cedar]

Still though, another french line would be nice

[solid gate]

However the 123mm gun currently present on the FV4005 may be just as fun, seeing that hitting all 4 shots will be around 1500 damage

[solid gate]

french meds line when

[dry osprey]

it's 1600 damage, 4 round and 410 damage/round

but not very important, it's still one of the best dpm of the game

[solid gate]

Ah, yes.

[safe cedar]

Probably the least likely line to ever come

[solid gate]

"3 is enough"

[safe cedar]

pain

[onyx raven]

They made all the good candidates into premiums and collectors

[solid gate]

Do you think the AMX 50B is more worth grinding than fv4005? They seem to have similar clip damages

[blissful cave]

Yea France has like more premiums than tech trees

[safe cedar]

There are still more contenders

[safe cedar]

They are both fun, get whichever one you think you will enjoy more.

50b is easier to play with less reward, fv4005 is harder to play with more reward.

[solid gate]

All right

[blissful cave]

Alright today is tank of the day day 200 we gotta do something special I was thinking either panzer IV or Charioteer (pz 4 because most important/iconic tank i somehow haven’t done yet and charioteer because idk I watched snatch yesterday and it was fun)

Or if there’s any other tank ideas you think would be a good special for TOD 200 suggest em

[solid gate]

If it's 200, then why not both because of the number

[blissful cave]

I do one tank a day for consistency

I’d probably just do the other the next day anyway

Day 100 was the story of Eagle 7 since that’s what made the Pershing my favorite tank seeing that was like the coolest tank to me

[half relic]

Chat quick question
Which should I go for?
French TD tech tree or British TD tech tree?

[blissful cave]

British TD as in 183 or 4005

[balmy compass]

I vote Panzer IV

[amber flume]

Bro. Im browsing

🤣

Its hard to find an unique but still wotb tank

@blissful cave @blissful cave

[blissful cave]

They don’t have to be wotb any tank doesn’t matter if it’s in the game or not

[amber flume]

Oh they dont. Ohhhhh. Les go. Imma find a tank you have never heard of

[blissful cave]

I easily know more about concepts than modern tanks

[amber flume]

Aight a hard one. Hstv (l) 1980

[blissful cave]

I haven’t show image

[amber flume]

Or himag 1978

[onyx raven]

Such as?

[onyx raven]

Are you sure you aren’t Spookston?

[rotund gull]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-gif-20236900

[bold oxide]

Can someone give list of top 5 tier tens rn?

[onyx raven]

There is no definitive Top 5. The best Tier Xs are the ones you do well in.

[bold oxide]

Thx

[solid gate]

Hey im new but i just saw that people say the wz-121 is good. Is it true?

[blissful cave]

Glad to see many of us have a brain and are choosing the unobtainable tank over 2 collect em alls and a mystery crate 1

[blissful cave]

You still get a collect em all with the T67 these people would rather have one more crate than a tank that’s impossible to get

[rich blade]

I would rather have a nice camo, then a tank that will be sold for 250 gold

[onyx raven]

Yes. The 121 is great.

[hollow dagger]

30 gold boosters sounds nice ngl

[sullen cloud]

T67 is better

[violet timber]

121 is okay, not really that good but kinda fun

[hollow dagger]

Ik

[blissful cave]

Only one person voted for panzer IV vs Charioteer for TOD 200

[blissful cave]

Congratulations you are the only one who said anything
Todays tank of the day will be panzer IV day 200 special

[balmy compass]

epic lol

[crude ivy]

Pzkpfw IV

[sonic briar]

Panzerkampfwagen IV aufs F2

[sand prism]

113 GFT researched

[solid gate]

G a y s

[thorny smelt]

Hi @lyric oriole

[safe acorn]

Nah dude I think that's a Tiger 1

[safe acorn]

He hates the HSTV-L
So guess not

[blissful cave]

That’s panzer IV

[safe acorn]

It flew over your head

[blissful cave]

OHHH now I get it

[safe acorn]

Lol

@blissful cave if you're this good at concepts
Maybe you could try researching on the Italian Panther shenanigans

[blissful cave]

From what I found Italy wanted to produce panthers under license but they would not have looked much different and of course not have an autoloader

[safe acorn]

Hungary however got it nailed

[blissful cave]

So for the real vs fake tank list thing I marked P44 pantera fake it alters panther WAAAY too much to not be marked as a fake

[blissful nebula]

I believe thats a panzer 1🤓

[solid gate]

the most panther thing in the pantera is probably the name

[blissful nebula]

Pantera is panther in Italian.

[solid gate]

Yes

[safe acorn]

And the shape

[safe acorn]

Real interesting how Hungary can compete with Germany with tank development
All before Germany went full insanity

[blissful cave]

Ah yes MAKE THE MAUS

[solid gate]

not just one but two lol

[safe acorn]

And not just two
Dozens of prototypes and proposals since 1942
All that time and resources wasted

[solid gate]

for them to be blown up in the end of 1945

[safe acorn]

Didn't 1 make it and the other was scrapped because of issues
Not both

[solid gate]

the maus that is in the museum has the turret of one and the hull of the other

[safe acorn]

Huh..
Anyways 44M Tas was something interesting

[solid gate]

apparently they were supposed to be destroyed to not be captured but it didn't work at all

[safe acorn]

Wished WG would make Hungarian HTs

[blissful cave]

The EU category has so much potential yet they don’t really do anything with it even just one off premiums for countries that don’t have enough tanks to make a tech tree like Finnish BT-42 or some random thing like that Norwegian 90mm Chaffee (I think it was 90 but yea the tank is NM-116)

NM-116 as a tier 7 premium would be cool

[onyx raven]

My guy you clearly do not know who Spookston is then

[solid gate]

@blissful cave for some reason, the cannon in Stage I seems way bigger than Stage II's

[safe acorn]

He literally said in his recent vid he doesn't like playing it wym

[safe acorn]

Tier VI
It's pretty much a significantly slower chaffee with a similar gun to the SP 1C

[west breach]

it does look like it

[blissful cave]

I dunno about you guys but I’m extremely excited to get that T67

[twin snow]

Whats the better tank rn to grind for i have no idea which one is better, the WZ-121 or the Maus. Cause im very broke rn had to sell my beloved T34 and balisik just to but Mauschen. Which one is worth my time to grind

[tulip steppe]

i've had it in the garage since it was removed but haven't played it, don't know if its been power creeped or if its still op

[blissful cave]

I’m just excited to get another one of those completely unobtainable tanks they really need to do these more often

[halcyon lotus]

TL-7-120 was an actual tank concept right?

[blissful cave]

In like my two years of playing the game the only ones I’ve gotten were
T21-a free subscription around when I first started I’ve never seen this done again
UE57,Churchill GC,toaster,T-28 and BT-7 art-luxury lounge (VK 30 too but I didn’t get that one)
Ke-ni given out for free around Christmas
The ones you get in battle passes or the 3$ shop offers I won’t count they’re consistently available

I’ve said it countless times but I reeeally want Sherman jumbo I mainly want that one but there’s others too like medium III

[blissful cave]

Yes but from what I found it was never intended to have the 120mm I’m pretty sure WG just slapped that on
So I just call it by it’s real name TL-7 designed as a concept for a possible replacement to M48 Patton

[tulip steppe]

well since i kept them, I'm not a fan of them returning lol jk i just played 3 games iin it, keep in mind i haven't played tier 5 in years lol (i was bottom tier)

aim time and shell velocity could use a boost but mobility is still as i remembered

[hollow dagger]

I want UE57 ngl

Baguette tank

[halcyon lotus]

i want the Churchill GC

[west breach]

best pen at its tier

[halcyon lotus]

i need 50 more parts to get it

[blissful cave]

I’ve seen those two offered twice in luxury lounges it just wasn’t until the second that I got those and toaster and T-28 since the first was close to when I started so no spare resources
They might make them the prizes again idk

.
I just hate when they put common premiums as the luxury lounge crates like seriously the previous one sucked it was Matilda BP,Tiger 131 and revalorise and no rare collector tanks ones I’m sure everyone has or if not you can get them for super cheap

Even more salt on the wound being that Matilda BP is in the shop 24/7 AND at the time of the event had an offer for it (the one that’s cheaper and comes with extras)

[blissful cave]

It’s like sometimes they do something cool and put some rare collectors then sometimes they just put the worst prizes in the boxes

The last one didn’t even put scepter in the crate,you know…the main tank the event revolves around (I got it from a crate while going for T-28 so I don’t need it but still)

[hollow dagger]

Nah i want old wotb back

Like 2018

[hollow dagger]

U from finland by any chance?

[blissful cave]

Maybe

[hollow dagger]

Nice

I live in finland

[rotund sonnet]

Fun fact the carro was not Italian but a British concept tank that lacks a lot of information other than a mock up in bonvington

[valid gale]

That’s mbt 80 isn’t it

[rotund sonnet]

No

Mbt 80 was on a challenger chassis

[valid gale]

The prototype hull similarly is but it was different in the scale model

[valid gale]

Is this the only photo? Theres a tag below the gun

[rotund sonnet]

No idea

[rotund sonnet]

I doubt the mbt 80 had a link to it

[valid gale]

I’ll take this with a grain of salt while it does appear eerily similar to carros turret using a UK model for a wildly different country seems far fetched esp when carro has a few Italian design cues including the muzzle brake

[valid gale]

Mbt 80 unfortunately didn’t get to go anywhere ESP when they planned to use explosive welding for the construction

[rotund sonnet]

I've found more information! this is project Hotspur a STT replacement for Challenger

[valid gale]

Wait as in chally 1?

[rotund sonnet]

Most likely

[valid gale]

Actually that explains it perfectly that’s the exact slope for the challenger 2 turret

[rotund sonnet]

Ok there's something about wot and wotb having a lot of STT tank designs

[valid gale]

They minimized the edges

[valid gale]

Is there more info? I’m curious why it has a right side driver

[rotund sonnet]

Its hard to come by most of it is from British archives and not online

I was only able to get it because 1 YouTuber works there

[valid gale]

Oh so this is new new stuff

[rotund sonnet]

Not sure the thing was posted 10 months ago where I found it

Trying to find my turtle mk 1 blueprint but its lost in my camera roll💀

[valid gale]

Oh my god

I just realized why

[rotund sonnet]

Found turtle mk 1

[valid gale]

The right hand driver decision is an incredibly odd choice since the challys hull has the huge armor nuggets that act like inserts but the only tank that competed against chally 1 and was superior was vick mk7

[rotund sonnet]

So your saying

[valid gale]

This is just my bs hypothesis but after the chally 1 won over the mk 7 they tasked BaE with upgrading the chally and they were the ones who originally made MK7 the similarity to the challenger 2 turret could have been BaE was thinking of their own take on a leopard like hull that was compact but instead took an easier route to just upgrade and thicken the turret

Of course this falls apart if this isn’t by BAE at all and was instead designed by a whole different company

[rotund sonnet]

Oh well the vehicle was from STT

school of tank technology not a company

[valid gale]

It falls apart

[rotund sonnet]

A lot of British premiums in wofb come from STT

Cobra, G.S.O.R, Turtle mk. 1, Cariban that's the only ones I remember rn

chimera, oh yeah one thing about the chimera is that it was classed as a heavy tank irl

[vestal ingot]

💀I dont and thats why i am currently dying

[void cloud]

any indians tanks

[lyric copper]

Indien Pz and FV 301 are your closest bets to “tanks that were (almost) built in India domestically”

[void cloud]

can i talk with any dev. on my personal tank issue

[lyric copper]

99/100 you can ask other people a question and they answer

you don’t need to ask the devs

[void cloud]

can WOTB team deducte any tank from my account to give me dracula

[lyric copper]

no they cannot

[void cloud]

but i want it so badly

[lyric copper]

then get gold and buy it when it comes for gold

[safe acorn]

I mean tbf
British driving was always right hand
Weird reason but maybe

[strong yarrow]

sold 115a, got strv k from mystery box draw, W or L?

[covert holly]

W if you love ht with fast reload and low damage

[strong yarrow]

just gotta play caernarvon style, still much better than managing the 5a

[median imp]

its a cool tank

[strong yarrow]

do you own it?

[median imp]

nope im pretty new to the game but im already top 10k in the rating

i dont have any tanks worth gold and my best is an Emil II im trying to get some more tanks for rating battles

[strong yarrow]

i rarely see this tank on matches so idk how to play this effectively on rating

[median imp]

oh okay

[strong yarrow]

i dont wanna get bad stats on this tank out of the box

[median imp]

what server are you playing on im playing on eu and my ratin is in platiniumlike 4100 something

[strong yarrow]

im on apac

[median imp]

oh yea i full understand that i know how it is with new tanks

[median imp]

but do you thing we can still play together

[strong yarrow]

i mean i have to start fresh to play with ya on eu server

cant transfer my main acc sadly

[median imp]

oh you dont have to do that

[halcyon lotus]

@eager oasis meet benjamin

[median imp]

hello @eager oasis

[toxic pawn]

is vz.55 good?

[meager saddle]

Why amx defender isn't in blitzstars tank compair?

[late pewter]

T34 ht needs pbr and buff imo

[solid gate]

what do u think about wz121 is it worth grinding it?

is it a good tank?

[sullen cloud]

@meager saddle AMX is pretty close to an up-teired AMX

Without a buff

[lyric copper]

@blissful cave Strv 81 soon

[thorny smelt]

Another Centurion....

[lyric copper]

it’s only the 3rd single-shot centurion at tier 8

[chrome siren]

Chieftain mk6 feels bad. I play many other tanks that are similar that just do it better. Seems to have an identity crisis. That is all, needed to shout this into the void.

[violet timber]

Just pop reactive and rush meds

[lyric copper]

fun fact: you don’t even need reactive

[blissful cave]

Idk if I’ll go for it tho now that I know Kpz 70 Porsche exists and is coming

But I didn’t see anything about it in the video : (

I may try a few crates tho and see if I get lucky since I love collecting Swedish tanks but I can’t spend a lot on it since I’m saving for Kpz 70 (P)

This one

This tank is probably the most excited I’ve been for an upcoming tank during my whole time playing that game Tornvagn I didn’t know about until it was very close to release

[lyric copper]

High chance it’s gonna be released like the 452K

with it being blitz’s 10th anniv

[blissful cave]

Nooo then it’s gonna be expeeensive
Actually wait no maybe not since if snowglobes are gold compensation and I got XM66F with only like 11k net loss

[balmy compass]

most OP tank sold only in crates on blitz birthday 💀

[blissful cave]

But then still that’s gonna be all the way in June

[trail quest]

452k isn’t op and have public reception of the xm change already. I remember the 40% ers crying saying the tank isn’t Op as it has a turret weak spot and isn’t a concept on steroids

[spark lynx]

Wenas

Alguien que sepa hablar español y me diga, dónde puedo obtener el TOG II*

[frail chasm]

How's the K-91 compared to Obj 752?

[night lance]

Is it me or does the t34 will get PBR?

[night lance]

Both are Soviet tanks 🤭

[night lance]

De repente salen las ofertas o eventos así que tienes que esperar

[plucky summit]

It's not as broken as 752, but it's still a rather overcooked tank. The 1050 damage autoloader supports great DPM

[rotund sonnet]

Someone ping me but I've got no idea who did

[plucky summit]

This icon on the top right will show you the mentions where someone pinged you.
It may be a ghost ping (someone pinged you and deleted their message)

[rotund sonnet]

Ghost ping

[plucky summit]

F

[blissful cave]

Todays tank of the day is the Charioteer

[misty wing]

What is this
Oh 116

I misread it as 113 for a moment

Seems pretty trash ngl. DPM is poor for a 130mm TD, gun arc is atrocious, and armor probably doesn't hold up against gold rounds

[wild cape]

Me and inmate have discussed this tank yesterday.

The upperplate is as thick as jageroos super structure. It's got 8 degrees of depression so fully hulldown with enhanced armor It's about 370mm effective

We've decided to make the gun super accurate and give it devastating HE rounds. It also has troll and strong Russian style side armor

[lyric copper]

never cook again

[lyric copper]

you and your friend should never cook again

[misty wing]

Lol no, you clearly showed that it has 220mm of frontal armor, while the Jageroo has 270

[plucky summit]

The side armor doesn't have the troll design but ok

[wild cape]

We gave it 310mm of effective armor on flat

[plucky summit]

Against HEAT?

[misty wing]

Well 220mm at that angle isn't 310 effective

[wild cape]

Thats not the main point

[plucky summit]

The angle of the upper plate is 37 degrees, so...
275mm effective against HEAT

[misty wing]

I'm the only one making a point, your job is just to defend/explain your positions, which you're currently not doing a good job of

[plucky summit]

I love that the upper plate is only 259mm effective vs AP shells

[wild cape]

We gave it a really weak frontal lowerplate and there arent many tds that have troll T22/IS7 style side armor so we wanted it to be unique in that sense

[fading pulsar]

I think comparing this proposal to the Obj. 263 and WZ-111G would help properly balance it out.

[plucky summit]

THe upper plate is somewhat weak too <3

[misty wing]

Also as Chickenman said, you can't just randomly decide that the sides are "russian-style troll" when the design isn't inherently like that

[plucky summit]

I've made an entire tech tree of statted tanks of my own imagination. I can help you with this

[wild cape]

It doesn't have the spaced armor build it's just thick enough to get bounces even if you over angle it like the sides of an is7

[misty wing]

if the sides are just thick, they would be more like german sides, or even the type 71/super conqueror, than Russian troll armor

[plucky summit]

The reason IS-7 gets bounces on its side is becuse of the autoricochet plate behind the seemingly flat spaced armor

[wild cape]

I know I'm not stupid

[misty wing]

then you can't compare this to the IS-7 if they are strong in different ways

[wild cape]

Don't try to correct me or tell me things I already know trust me my knowledge of this game is far better than you may think

[wild cape]

Have you just ignored what I typed or are you trying to make this a hassle?

[plucky summit]

The max effectiveness of IS-7's non-EA center side is 237mm vs AP shells before autoricochet applies :p

[misty wing]

Then you shouldn't say things that make no sense lol

[solid gate]

let me cook instead-

[plucky summit]

Ho-Ri LVII

[solid gate]

ho-ri with a atrocious gun

[wild cape]

I said that the armor layout isn't the same as the is7 it will just get bounces at steep angles just like the is7 due to how thick it will be. That's just you not being able to read properly.

[misty wing]

you shouldn't compare the tank to the IS-7, and furthermore claim that the side armor is "Russian style", if you know that it isn't. Sounds like you just want to avoid responsibility for the inital poor wording

[plucky summit]

Hey, you said you wanted the upper plate to be 310mm effective on flat ground. I can calculate what the base armor thickness will be if you tell me what the effectiveness is towards, AP, APCR, or HEAT?

[bronze spear]

Pls buff grille

[wild cape]

AP obviously

[plucky summit]

Gotcha

263mm nominal armor thickness, then

[misty wing]

but the way you intend to do that is to just make the side have really high raw thickness, so you can just say so from the get go, instead of doing all these dumb IS-7 comparisons

Also how high of a thickness would you suggest? The base 116 has 120mm

[wild cape]

I've already said that twice now

[misty wing]

Not after you made mistakes and still refuse to own up to them

[wild cape]

We aren't basing armor thickness of how it is on wot pc

[misty wing]

I didn't imply that we were; I'm asking for your suggestion, because your previous one was poorly applied

[wild cape]

That end bit was completely unnecessary and you had no reason to type that

[plucky summit]

Explaining the reasoning behind a statement is pretty standard for debates

[solid gate]

I made this thing more as a joke, so it has zero gun arc because of the unnecessary machine guns

[plucky summit]

I made my Type 200 with 0 gun arc as well xD

[wild cape]

20mm thicker than IS4s side armor before the nerfs

[plucky summit]

So 180mm

[misty wing]

so, 180mm? unless I'm mistaken

[solid gate]

the thing with this Ho-Ri is that it uses the cannon of a Japanese battleship

yes, inspired by Su-100Y

[wild cape]

Yep I'd say 165-180mm

[plucky summit]

I suggest buffing the WZ-116 F3G FT, since the armor and gun combined are considerably lesser than WZ-113G FT's

[misty wing]

I don't like that ngl
The chassis doesn't look like one that would have a ton of side armor, and it doesn't match up with the rest of chinese tank design

[wild cape]

We put the main focus on the gun in the accuracy and HE damage

[wild cape]

That's the entire point. We don't want it to be similar to anything we're trying to make a unique TD.

[misty wing]

Also you never stated the accuracy or dispersion stats anywhere lol, only the aim time

[plucky summit]

95mm HE won't let you utilize a major portion of that DPM, you might as well fire AP. Being an HE-focused TD gun in tier 10 is too situational with that pen level

[wild cape]

I already suggested to buffing it to 130mm to the original designer but he hasn't responded to me yet.

As for accuracy levels they are 0.280 dispersion and 1.4s aiming time(with refined and EGLD)

[misty wing]

Imo, everything that shares a chassis or similar design language should be similar with regards to their armor characteristics, unless it reflects a change in the model (such as the addition of spaced armor). I would suggest doubling down on the gun to make it unique, rather than adding dumb amounts of side armor

[plucky summit]

The upper plate should be yellow if the upper plate remains 220mm vs IS-7's AP
Mainly towards the bottom, it can be more red on top :p

[blissful cave]

No lower plate with standard zamn

[misty wing]

Also I would rename it to simply "WZ-116G FT", as the "F3" in the PC tank likely refers to the turret and gun design, as most of the Chinese suffixes relate to that department. A trait that is obvious eliminated with the TD variant

[fading pulsar]

Why ever play the 263 with armor and gun depression like this?

[thick granite]

Yea

[wild cape]

Like I said we don't care about similarities or correlations to the original hull. We are just trying to make a td with an interesting gun and strong side armor cause we don't have anything like that in the game as of right now

[wild cape]

263 has 4k dpm and is also miles faster than this tank

[harsh elm]

side scraping td real??

[misty wing]

You can't just constantly say "like I said" in an effort to make me sound dumber or ignorant, because you never said anything of the sort before. AKA that you don't care about realism/ actual design logic

[wild cape]

We literally just had en entire debate about the side armor and now you've resorted to insulting me yet again for no reason

[plucky summit]

Where insult

[misty wing]

I'm not insulting you lol

[fading pulsar]

I suppose, but raw DPM can’t always make up for such a significant disparity in armor, gun depression, and gun handling. Mobility, sure, but even so the 263 isn’t a race car by any means— it hardly keeps up with the mediums.