vehicles-discussion

[violet timber]

This could theoretically be made

[plucky summit]

That seems too petty for gameplay, a turret angle limit is my idea

Or maybe, a tank that loads much faster when the gun faces forward in a small angle limit?

[violet timber]

That one would be weird/hard to make believeable

[remote kindle]

I mean you reload faster at a certain degree in modern mbts such as the leo 2.
*wrong ping

[violet timber]

That's more so elevating the gun so as to lessen the fatigue the loader would get from a longer battle

[plucky summit]

The idea is that it should give TDs the versatility of a turret when dealing with corners, while still limiting their powerful guns to be as nimble as a non-TDs

[remote kindle]

Modern mbt’s do it by computer. I think 🤔

I need to go back to being a tank nerd.

[violet timber]

They can detach the gunner's sight from the gun, allowing the gun to be elevated so that the loader get's less fatigue over time and the gunner can keep eyes on target

[remote kindle]

Isn’ the commander supposed to give the places to shoot? The gunner is just there to change the gun place and shoot it no?

I mean the computer nowadays do most of the gunner’s job. Might wait to see the abraham x and kf51 panther how they works.

[violet timber]

You're talking about a hunter/killer system, which is used to get the gunner on the target the commander want's them to shoot. Once the gunner see's the target, it is their job to aim the gun and deliver the round

[onyx raven]

I did a Tier 8 premium for the Poles too

[remote kindle]

Probably. I forgor alot recently, i think i got a little amnesia.

[violet timber]

A hunter/killer system gives commander control of the turret should he wish to have it point a certain direction

It's essentially the same thing that was done in WW2 where a commander would give a direction and sometimes estimated range, just sped up because now the commander can move the turret in the direction of the target

[plucky summit]

Where stats, where armor thickness, where comphrehensive armor effectiveness?

[remote kindle]

Chicken is triggered.

[balmy compass]

So like the IS-7 irl

[plucky summit]

I cannot accept this "concept"

[remote kindle]

Propaganda machine right there.

[violet timber]

I do my concepts in Sprocket

[valid gale]

It’s true though the gun in leopard 2 needs to return to normal position in order to reload

[remote kindle]

I doubt that information.

[violet timber]

Generally tank guns are elevated to lessen fatigue on the loader, the reason the leo 2 needs to angle it's gun up is because it has a cramped turret

Thing's like the K2 actually angle their gun down to align the autoloader properly

[balmy compass]

I thought Leopard 2 had an autoloader, it still uses a human loader?

[valid gale]

Leopard 2 never had one oddly enough

[remote kindle]

Kf51 will have an autloader. The leo 2 doesn’t.

[valid gale]

Well technically the leopard 1 did have an AL Prototype when testing a 3 axis stabilizing turret but I might be wrong

[balmy compass]

Strange, would have thought something built alongside the Abrams practically would have an autoloader

[remote kindle]

The german let the whole autloader project after the kpz70 probably

[violet timber]

Abrams has a human loader as well

[balmy compass]

😵‍💫

[violet timber]

An 18 year old jacked up on niccotine and beef jerky doesn't jam 🤷‍♂️

[remote kindle]

Will the Abraham x have one thought? Maybe the germans gonna be special for once since a long time.

[balmy compass]

That’s it, I can’t call myself a tank nerd now

[valid gale]

The abrams X turret is unmanned

[plucky summit]

They can if they don't move when the turret does :p

[violet timber]

Turret basket 😎

[balmy compass]

That would have been crazy if Abrams didn’t have a turret basket 💀

[plucky summit]

Let me live in la-la-land

[sleek apex]

I also get brainfart sometimes so its fine if you forget things

[balmy compass]

I just straight up didn’t know :/
At least I know that all the crew in the Strv 103b are/can be drivers

[remote kindle]

The thing with autoloaders is that if there is a single thing that break, the whole thing break. The only thing a human can suffer is injuries and the other problem which is emotional damage but that can be solved with alcohol.

[balmy compass]

Dunno, hard to load the gun if the loader passes out/dies

[remote kindle]

Technically if you want to be a tank crew you should be able to do every job in jt.

[violet timber]

That's why the commander exists

[valid gale]

If that’s the case the commander has to take over the loaders duty if he’s out

[balmy compass]

Oh right, I forget people change positions in tanks
I always thought that wasn’t possible

[plucky summit]

Pro gamer: Commander operates the gun because he's telling the gunner where to shoot anyways

[valid gale]

Tank crews do rotate positions I talked to a commander of one a few years ago

[remote kindle]

I know that.

[sleek apex]

And a human loader are easily replaceable, can also easily adapt to other tasks too

Only thing is that the rounds are very heavy now which would fatigue the crew over time during battle

[remote kindle]

3 red bulls a pack of cigarettes, then try to pass out.

[violet timber]

That's why the gun is elevated when loading 😎

[balmy compass]

Literally using adrenaline irl

[plucky summit]

"My guns elevate when loading" - The Loader

[remote kindle]

I mean the adrenaline of fighting a tank is enough to keep you awake.

[plucky summit]

Yeah but what about the meter wide hole in your chest

[balmy compass]

“Walk it off”

[remote kindle]

Put a band aid on it and get lil smooch from the commander on it your fine.

[sleek apex]

Consider yourself lucky that you did not turn into a meat paste, or probably not so lucky

[remote kindle]

You have 2 seconds before dying after getting shoot. And if you have the round in your hand it’s enought to load it.

[blissful cave]

Or open top Americans didn’t like turretless TD’s they liked open top turret designs for TD’s

[balmy compass]

The crew can identify your body 💀

[plucky summit]

So about my new tank destroyers

[violet timber]

Ah yes, now we start getting into doctrine

[balmy compass]

Yeah, gives the commander better views for spotting

[remote kindle]

Just remove the vindicator skin, add 28mm and you have the sturmtiger 2/18cm.

[blissful cave]

Makes sense especially since TD’s were usually just a quick solution to “how can we mount a bigger gun on this existing or sometimes outdated hull”
And since America had to ship all their tanks overseas they had more time to make better ones that weren’t just Ä desperate solution

[valid gale]

Don’t worry about it

[balmy compass]

Aha
My favorite part about German casemates

[remote kindle]

They are the panzer elite, born to compete never retreat! Ghost division!

[plucky summit]

Well I need nine of them…

[violet timber]

Tank destroyers are more of a doctrine thing, hence where there's a big difference between american and german TDs in WW2

[sleek apex]

Just like how the some of the US tank destroyer units got deployed the same way as the Shermans in Europe later on cause they rarely encountered Panthers and Tigers

[remote kindle]

sigh
Just take a tank and reskin it 9 times.

[balmy compass]

Change the position of the turret on each one and make each gun bigger the higher tier 👍

[plucky summit]

Well I have 10 million power in World of Tanks Blitz!!!

[sleek apex]

Sounds like the new VZ line

[remote kindle]

I just got the 5 stars Lowe! Now i can conquere my enemies!

[plucky summit]

We're sorry we didn't tell you about the bonus credits and experience you get from using premium time!!

[remote kindle]

We also have the bonus code :
Getscammed2023

[plucky summit]

Use this bonus code to join the game with a whole 10 thousand credits and 3 minutes of premium time! We'll even cut the cost of the premium tank, T-25 in half for the first week!

[remote kindle]

You will also get an avatar for 7 days!

[blissful cave]

Fun fact there was actually a concept of an autoloader crewless turret Abrams called Abrams TTB (tank test bed) and a full working prototype was built and passed trials
But ultimately they decided not to put it in production/service because they were significantly more expensive to produce and preferred having a loader as part of the crew to help with other things outside the tank as well

[remote kindle]

It’s called the kpz70

[blissful cave]

It looks like this it’s kinda like Tornvagn

[remote kindle]

Concept 1b

[blissful cave]

Heh it is like Concept 1B and Tornvagn combined

[plucky summit]

In World of Tanks Blitz, you get the choice between four classes, each with a quality others don't have! Here we have a light tank, they're fast, and good against Tank Destroyers! Medium tanks fight more viciously than light tanks, and can endure more combat! Heavy tanks are great for countering medium tanks, as well as tanks, or tanks! Tank destroyers are really good at destroying other tanks, but they can't fight!

[remote kindle]

Now! Would you like to purchase crates, crates crates? Or crates! Or maybe go and do some battles and enjoy 5k painful battles for no reason! Then enjoy having afk and nub teamates with doodoo wifi!

[plucky summit]

Give us money.

[remote kindle]

Not just your money. Your whole life saving!

[valid gale]

It’s just TTB but the abrams X is like 70% this

[blissful cave]

Would you like to purchase crates,receive free crates but pay for keys to open them or what about the draw which is just crates but disguised as a slots board
So many ways to waste spend your money : D

[subtle heath]

i researched all the modules on it but i think im gonna just forget about it for a week

[blissful cave]

But there is good gambling too earlier today I bought one of those 50k free xp presents in the birthday event and got 5K gold which is the most you can get (0.9% chance I think)

[tiny oak]

Okay yeah I now firmly believe tier 10 gameplay is the absolute worst in the game. Everyone wants to sit back and farm damage while someone else takes the risk even if they are in a tank suited for frontlining, scouting, flanking, etc.

[alpine gulch]

M1A1 abrams in WoTB as a Tier Ten Premium it would be great

[balmy compass]

Just play Kpz 70 in uprising, get super speed 2, and the damage booster 2
German Abrams

[plucky summit]

That’s called heavy meta

[tiny oak]

Has nothing to do with heavies, I play a heavy and it's miserable because I try to play like a heavy. And it's doubly infuriating because people are BAD at farming damage half the time, they pick some way too far back spot with poor angles, do NOTHING until a flank has collapsed, and then think they did something because they got a few shots in at the enemies surging into the collapsed flank

Like my desire to grind lines to tier 10 is basically gone. It's a miserable disaster of an experience

[plucky summit]

Flank collapsing via heavy tanks going against the meds

[tiny oak]

Flank collapsing via half the team wanting to sit in the backline

German superheavy? Backline. Armored assault TD? Backline. Mobile flanking medium? Backline.

I don't even want to talk about my tier 10 winrate, it feels almost entirely out of my control at this point. Like some games I absolutely drop the ball, I'm not delusional. But not enough to explain... a what 10 game losing streak? Idk, it's frustrating on a level I haven't experienced at other tiers

[blissful cave]

Yea I’m not really a fan of tier 10 I’ll still play it sometimes because there’s some tanks I really like there
Like I figured out how to play the Sheridan really well and it’s my favorite tier 10 to play

[violet timber]

Generally tier 10 will show how you preform in a case where all of the tanks are about equal. Tier 10 is an incredibly balanced tier for the most part, so winning comes down heavily on the players’ skill

[blissful cave]

Got an ace in it today where I absolutely carried and clutched the last bit where it was me standing alone against two heavies

[balmy compass]

Well balanced apart from a few select tanks yeah

[violet timber]

The only 2 “issues” are the 263 which needs fixed and the 183 which can stay terrible

[blissful cave]

Sheridan is probably the only light tank I like playing most others the mobility isn’t worth it if they’re just gonna have a fast reload low damage gun
Other than low tiers because there’s some tanks I like there I just bought T-127 because i found out its the prototype of the T-50 which is a tank I really like

And T7 car is just hilariously fun if you want a good laugh

[balmy compass]

I personally would rebalance a few more tanks

[tiny oak]

This is nonsense tbh. It doesn't matter how "balanced" the tanks are when the meta is in such a terrible place. The terrible incentive structure of the game that rewards selfish damage farming is at its worst at tier 10

[violet timber]

It’s not nonsense. You’re all on an even battlefield essentially, your skill then shows. If you’re a good player, why not just farm damage? The point of the game is to win, kills lead to wins, damage leads to kill.

[plucky summit]

Just get good <3

[tiny oak]

This is the logic of a toddler. Any tank can farm damage when they use the team as a shield. This is fine for fragile TDs but EVERYONE wants to use someone else as a shield at tier 10 because the perverse economic incentives of the game specifically reward damage and kills over all else, not rewarding some stuff at all

[plucky summit]

Eh, average WR is 58.77% in tier 10

[violet timber]

If you’re getting used as farming material, maybe try not being as aggressive. If a team doesn’t push with you, why push? Why not sit back a bit and get some bleeds. You don’t have to stay way back, you can be on the frontline and still not bleed while getting bleeds

The game works by rewarding you for doing things that win. Blocking damage? Doesn’t go towards winning, only not losing. Capping? Goes towards winning. Spotting? Goes towards winning. Dealing damage and getting kills? Goes towards winning.

[tiny oak]

Again, this is bafflingly poor logic. Blocking damage is a vital role that neutralizes enemy damage. The idea that it doesn't contribute to winning is just insane.

[violet timber]

Except it doesn’t. Does it kill tanks? No. Does it help cap? No. It only goes to help your team not lose.

[plucky summit]

Poor logic > losing tier 10 games

[tiny oak]

This is absolutely insane and why tier 10 is rotten to the core. If everyone sits back the game just becomes who gets bored of a terrible game first

[blissful cave]

Everyone plays heavy tanks but don’t want to fill the role of heavy tanks

[violet timber]

If you’re tired of losing, play the game well. If that involves not being over aggro, sit back.

[tiny oak]

I'd sooner drop to a 20% winrate than play the game like these people

[violet timber]

I also Said that you could still get bleeds on the frontline, you just have to position well. This involves skill.

[blissful cave]

Yea I’ve learned to play a lot more carefully dont just go in play aggressively do damage and then say “ok you guys take it from here” because that doesn’t work
Sacrificing yourself to get a bunch of damage

[plucky summit]

I lose more in tier 9 than in tier 10 x-x

[blissful cave]

Never rely on your team mf’s can’t do anything💀

[plucky summit]

You're forced to rely on your team

[blissful cave]

But for the “sacrifice yourself for damage then let them finish the rest” approach always leads to disappointment because they’ll never finish off tanks that are 1-2 shot away from dying

[plucky summit]

It's almost never a sacrifice in the concept that in the end, you gain out of it. It's just a decent player dying first, leaving the less skillful rest to die

[blissful cave]

Yea I’ve found that doesn’t really work so like i said Ive learned to play more carefully in tier 10

[plucky summit]

I mean, 100% of my recent battles are with a friend, it gives control and more fun factor

[violet timber]

A lot of my recent battles are in tourneys 🤪

[blissful cave]

I play with my cousin who’s new to the game so I don’t really play well in platoons with him because I gotta be like “NO don’t go over to that KV-2 you’re a tier 5!” And gotta go with him

[valid gale]

Played randoms nonstop throughout uprising got 3 provac warnings game is telling me to take a hiatus

[tiny oak]

Tier 10 is the only tier that is consistently a disaster for me. 9 and under is fine. At 10 EVERYONE wants to play passive and they aren't even good at it half the time. Again, I definitely have games where I'm too aggressive and pay the price. I'm not delusional and saying I'm better than everyone else. My issue is the dynamic at tier 10 strongly leans towards passive play to the extreme with even the most modest pushing forward is punished. I'm not talking yolo rush I'm talking taking a somewhat forward position.

[plucky summit]

Just don't type at all, they deserve no "contructive" criticism :p

[blissful cave]

But it’s fun to play with friends and people you know
Platooning with a clanmate is kinda just playing battles normally except I get missions done for it

[violet timber]

Tier 10 gets heavily into bleeding instead of pushing. You want the HP advantage before you start commuting to any sort of movements

[tiny oak]

So calling that "skill" is just... beyond me. The most positive term I have for that is patience to put up with what has fundamentally become an unpleasant game.

[violet timber]

I’m tier 8 you can basically just strap up your T32 or Caern to 2k HP and run reactive then proceed to rofl stomp anyone in front of you

[valid gale]

I call it destructive

[plucky summit]

Hey, this game is less patience-based than it's PC counterpart 💀

[violet timber]

The skill to hit shots while not taking them in return. It’s important.

[tiny oak]

PC players at least typically acknowledge that tier 10 is basically a miserable mess

[plucky summit]

Well, the whole game outside of tier 1 is inherently a mess

[violet timber]

PC tier 10 is absurdly imbalanced, unlike it is in blitz

[tiny oak]

The only thing inherently worse for PC is that premium ammo is a no downside spam tool. People still spam it in blitz but at least they lose dpm for it

[plucky summit]

Artillery

[tiny oak]

I meant in terms of t10 balance sorry

[violet timber]

Reward tanks being way stronger than they should:

Blitz is way better balanced in terms of tank performance

[plucky summit]

Well, artillery in PC is like v4 in Blitz

The player of the tank uses zero skill to punish others, performing badly anyways, and there's not much you can do to make it fun

[zinc finch]

mayb except french tds or bri ish tds in large maps
you actually need to move to hit better shots

[plucky summit]

huh

[zinc finch]

yeah in that polish map as french arty move to the middle of medium size to shoot heavies
pretty wacky strat i use

[tiny oak]

Arty is an issue but idk if it's a t10 experience issue primarily. But yes, PC is overall MUCH WORSE as a game generally. I just don't think Blitz is immune to those issues.

[plucky summit]

Heavies just need easier roofs to splash HE on :p
Anti-hulldown camping

[zinc finch]

i think its alright no issue...i just need more report turns to dunk on donuts

[plucky summit]

If you report players for having a skill issue, you deserve no complain tickets

[tiny oak]

And like I'm sorry I'm tilted and ranting but the idea that the patience to play passively every game is skill really bothers me. Skill to me is like being able to snap quickly to a weakspot and pop the shot in, map knowledge to pick out good spots and predict enemy spots, knowing how ti angle and maneuver your armor to bounce shots, being able to effectively maneuver a fast tank around enemies while engaging. Those are skills. Passive gameplay... it wins sure but it's basically just a matter of patience to basically get through an unfun experience to win and that just... really sucks imo. You aren't wrong in your assessment that passive "bleeding" is the current meta, I just consider that a major problem for the game.

[zinc finch]

what if i told you it actually works

[tiny oak]

Typically I just report chat misbehavior and active hampering of the team like blocking and pushing

[plucky summit]

What? They get better at the game?

[zinc finch]

they get a warning or ban
i dont report ppl thats actually trying to play

[plucky summit]

Okay then you don't report skill issues :l

[tiny oak]

Oh and afks obviously. For expressing displeasure with skill emotes exist

Even at my most frustrated with my team, which as you can tell from my ranting is VERY frustrated, I wouldn't report someone for it

[plucky summit]

Well, you are meant to make a difference in a match, but never control the match entirely. You could hold up the heavy flank with your skill, but you can't make the medium flank win theirs and come around to finish the battle

It might seem clamplicated at first, but it's really that shrimple. I don't want to be your anemone here, we can work to absolve this issue :p

#blitz-art message
This look enough like a TD?

[tiny oak]

Heavy tank in the same bush as a 4005, this is fine

[plucky summit]

Can I be that heavy tank for you? 😳

[tiny oak]

It was a bad bush too btw, literally had no firing angles on the enemy

[plucky summit]

Maybe he was embarrassed of his looks and didn't want the enemy knowing

[tiny oak]

Idk. Maybe I'm just cursed, it doesn't feel like how good or bad I do is having any impact at this point where tier 10 is concerned. I just wanted to try to salvage my E5's winrate but it's only getting worse. Sigh

[safe cedar]

As an arty player I resent that.

[tiny oak]

I disabled same control mode limitations and unironically had two consecutive wins in my E5 in which I did well. Somehow playing with keyboard and mouse players has allowed me to do better in this tiny sample size. Because reasons I guess lol. That said, no more tier 10 for a bit. Too tilting, maybe next time I'm playing on PC.

[solid gate]

Test

[misty wing]

Why would tier 10 be more tilting than any other tier
For me it avoids the number 1 most tilting thing, which is constantly facing higher tier

[tiny oak]

The tier 10 meta is extraordinarily passive and harshly punishes even minor aggression. All about "bleeding" which is basically more about patience than anything else. Frankly it's boring and frustrating and the ability to make dynamic plays to swing the game feels significantly limited. It's even more reliant on your team as a result and my frustration as I vented (sorry for that in hindsight, it was just really rough tonight) above is a lot of people take that passivity to extremes of being basically useless and getting all their damage in literally only after a flank collapses or something and it's too late to matter.

[violet timber]

If you really want a proactive playstyle, try trading. Hop in an E100 and just trade.

[tiny oak]

I probably will eventually. It is what it is though. I'm basically at the acceptance stage. Meta is what it is, I don't like it but it's not gonna change because I complain.

I'm probably just going to avoid tier 10 for the most part other than trying to get my E5's winrate back to something with a shred of dignity lol. I'm trying to engage with the meta tactics as much as I can tolerate and it helps my personal score though the winrate... not yet.

And again, I apologize for venting. It was just like... a mind boggling bad night of games in a tank I really want to have fun in. I have never had such a bad run in a tank before and the specific experiences accompanying it made it that much worse for me.

I need to balance things with games in other tanks/tiers or my winrate is gonna plummet . And while I don't care enough about stats to farm ultra low tiers or anything, I don't want one tank/tier to singlehandedly tank destroy success in the rest of them

[misty wing]

People always complain about the autoloader meta and large alpha guns in tier 10, but clip size and alpha are actually not as high as some other tiers, relatively speaking

the thing is that tier 10s generally have very good accuracy/reliability of hitting shots across the boards, which can be a double edged sword as it probably makes it easier to punish aggression as you previously stated. However, I find it to make the game overall less tilting because you won't be missing too many shots due to RNG in a tier 10.

[tiny oak]

My issue isn't with that but more the way battles go with the protracted and extremely passive "bleeding" phase that has to take place before anything interesting really happens. I mean admittedly being slapped by a 183 sucks but the tank has so many downsides it's not a balance issue. Clips I might complain about at my worst moments but usually they don't bother me.

And hey you do you. Ultimately while I am criticizing it a lot and was pushing back against defense of it before, you enjoy what you enjoy and that's fine.

[misty wing]

what is your preferred tier in that case?

[tiny oak]

7-9 usually. 9 has its tier 10 moments for me but generally it's offset by ample enjoyable experiences.

So I guess by average there, 8 would be my favorite?

[misty wing]

I'm grinding the tier 7s in the czech heavy and italian TD lines right now and they have been some of the least enjoying tanks I've ever played ngl
Don't remember the last tier 7 I liked, maybe the Smasher that I sold after 3 battles?

I'm a med player and tier 7 and 8 meds are in a sad state rn unfortunately

[tiny oak]

The Smasher and the inclusion of bots are my only issues with tier 7 tbh. Lots of fun tanks otherwise.

Oh yeah mediums are uh... spotty around that tier.

[misty wing]

just give all of the 90mm ones the Indien Panzer treatment

[dark schooner]

How well did I do here? Was there really something I could’ve done that would have won me the 3v1?

[tiny oak]

I think I'd take a lot of tier 7 mediums over tier 8 mediums though. But maybe that's just my resentment for the abysmal standard pen of the Pershing

[misty wing]

All the russian ones, Comet, T23e3, vk 30.02 d, Dracula also with abysmal standard pen:

[dark schooner]

What about the panther?

[tiny oak]

I found the T23E3 weirdly enjoyable honestly. Probably the RoF and mobility offsetting the pen

Definitely a tank I only play at my PC though

[misty wing]

not saying they're bad, it's just that most tier 7 meds have similarly awful pen (tier for tier) to the Pershing

although some of them certainly are bad

[tiny oak]

160 standard at 7 feels better to me than 180 at 8 but that's obviously subjective

[misty wing]

Firstly, I listed 144-155 pen ones, not 160. Secondly, the Pershing having much better pramo definitely helps. A lot of tier 7 meds struggle against the sides of tier 8 heavies even with pramo, but not the pershing.

[tiny oak]

Is the T23 not 160?

[misty wing]

it is mb, I forgot

[tiny oak]

That was the one I knew off the top of my head so I used it as the example number

[misty wing]

just take that one off the list

[tiny oak]

Fair enough

Then yeah thats fair, I forgot how low tier 7 pen goes because I have mostly avoided the really low ones by chance

155 is probably about the minimum for standard pen on tier 7 medium before it starts to feel awkward for me I think

Oh yikes I forgot the Rudy exists, 144 is real rough

[misty wing]

people will still try to argue the Rudy and T-43 are decent tanks

[tiny oak]

I have no experience with them personally but Rudy in particular seems like a struggle

[granite rivet]

They are

The t23e3 is far better though

[misty wing]

Lol no, name me even 10 tier 7s they're better than

[granite rivet]

Idk but they feel decent to me

Haven’t played the t-43 but I do have the rudy

[prisma vapor]

Got the Tank aced with 1550 damage and 5 kills against tier 6

[lilac mica]

Nice

[steady loom]

Does anyone else think the 132-A is just...kinda meh or is it just me?

[lyric copper]

the entire Sino LT line is meh

[rich blade]

There are some rly neat tanks on those tiers, I rly enjoy Edelweiss and T 44 85 (I think its called)
And speaking of TT Tier 8s I rly enjoy pantera and TVP VTU after the buffs cent I and Indien panzer feel also very decent to good even and for me rly neat to play, feels good playing some chad TTs after all the premium Tank spam to get credits

[sharp elm]

but smashers are fun to battle against

[steady loom]

Looks sweet 🙂

[dapper plover]

Which gun on Charioteer? Dpm (4sec reload, good penne) or boom boom HE monster

[lyric copper]

HESH

[oblique ether]

T110E5 is a good tank?

[high furnace]

nice bro

[subtle heath]

Rolled a research certificate out of one of the daily crates so I finally got the 183 🥹
Took about 2 weeks

Also rolled a super conqueror after just 1500 gold yesterday

[stiff cape]

I still don't understand why people think the ISDF Bulldog is such an ugly vehicle. I've played it many times and it's a good long distance assault tank. Would make a great TD. Even better, if they added the green plasma shots.

At least it's better looking than this... The Scion Titan.

Basically a tank version of a giant dual stun gun.

Of course... I guess the green shots would probably give you away. Like a tracer. Probably best to leave them out. Lol

[balmy compass]

Just add Scorpion from Halo

[alpine gulch]

This is from halo right

[honest creek]

105mm L7 where?

[honest creek]

It IS ugly

[violet timber]

VZ. 62 😎

[honest creek]

Flat IS-4

[stiff cape]

No it's a game on steam called Battlezone 2. They re-released it as a remastered fully patched and fully upgraded version a while ago. I think it originally came out in 2000. From what I heard they put a ton of work into it, but the only one I played was the original many years ago. I haven't touched that game in forever.

[stiff cape]

To be honest I liked the vehicle physics in the first game. Yeah the graphics were better, the multiplayer co-op PVE is a ton of fun, but the vehicle physics from the first game put the vehicles in the second game to total shame. It's like night and day.

They felt really sluggish and underpowered... Like you're driving through mashed potatoes. The physics were really messed up in the first release of that game, even after the patches fixed a lot of stuff. Who knows, maybe they fixed it in the re-release.

To be honest I really hated the way the vehicles drove and that second game. After the first game, it just made me angry.

When one of the original programmers was working on an unofficial patch which later got used for the re-release, I actually worked with him to fix the physics. They were really screwed up. He had to go deep into the code and overhaul them.

Just the whole way the engine was calculating weight and gravity was completely off.

I remember trying to fix it using ODF coding for a solid week to no avail at all. Nothing worked.

ODF coding vehicles and weapons was one of my specialties when I used to mod the first game for fun.

After doing a bunch of tests with some different numbers and calculations, I figured out what the problem was and told him what he needed to fix.

It was like trying to fix the weight and physics values of vehicles that had the physics of helium balloons as default, and nothing I did would fix it.... Just kind of change it.

Lol I'm babbling 😋

[sharp elm]

hey babbling, im sop

[stiff cape]

Standard operating procedure?

[sharp elm]

maybe

[latent knoll]

Is the sheridan line good?

[blissful cave]

Sheridan is great yees

[undone star]

T49 struggles with penetration and having HEAT as a standard shell which might be annoying to shot intro tracks or any spot closer to it, overall the line is fun and good

[latent knoll]

Okay thanks

[solid gate]

broo... skoda T56 is the worst premium tier 8 ı ever used ngl... that vehicle is terrible.

[safe cedar]

What about it makes you say that?

[lyric copper]

massive skill issue tbh

[sharp elm]

copy and paste is-3, but a lot better

[solid gate]

ım very skilled in the game bruh, ım playing for like 8 years and used all kinds off vehicles and witnessed the improvement of the the game. what is bad about the T56? it has a massive cupola that is so easy to hit, also its very weak only 125mm even a tier 6 can penetrate that or nvm some tier 5 panzers have 140mm of penetration, not just that it has a big frontal weak lower plate that is only 60mm. and it has only 140mm of effective thickness which is it doesnt matter how much you angle it they can pen it, the gun has very good alpha but, its inaccurate as hell, with very low DPM its something like 1690 when stock.

[fast compass]

One of the best tier 8 premium. "The vehicle is terrible"

[sharp elm]

skoda t56 can't really be stock

[solid gate]

ık.

[violet timber]

Oh no, it has weak points to keep it from being broken! How terrible! Weak points that are hidden when going hulldown and using gun dep! What a bad tank!

[solid gate]

its still very low even when you use consumables or the equipments.

[lyric copper]

“I rely on armour like a fool and cry when something has weakspots because I actually lack the skill to play around them due to getting too used to the Type 57/T54E2”

[solid gate]

ı didnt said that having weak spots terrible, they are massive thats the problem.

[violet timber]

They can be mitigated through proper position, which requires skill.

They’re also both average, not really big.

[solid gate]

ı have the skill, ı use the hull down positions the cupola is massive, and can be shoot easily in the hulldown.

[sharp elm]

try playing it like that

[lyric copper]

^ big would be T95/Chieftain stuff

[violet timber]

Have you tried gun blocking?

[solid gate]

ı play it like that ım not new bruh@sharp elm

[lyric copper]

gun blocking + actually being hulldown + not staying still

this guy: “no lol, tank bad”

[solid gate]

ofc ı did who doesnt?

[sharp elm]

then i wonder why you're struggling in such a good vehicle

[violet timber]

Properly gun blocking Skoda = not being penetrated

[onyx raven]

What do you mean? It’s explained in the text.

[sharp elm]

true

[solid gate]

bro, ı do all of that. ıdk why, ı use it very agressive when needed ı use it calm in hull downs, ı use gun blocks when face hugging but they still can shoot it the froblem is that they can still snipe the cupola even far away. its like a goddamn magnet and ı never stop moving.

[sharp elm]

this tank was never supposed to be super aggressive in the first place, your 15 seconds of reload says that

[lyric copper]

you clearly don’t know how to play it if you think it’s bad

[solid gate]

ı got shot in the cupola while driving with 39km/h and a T49 shot my cupola 250 meters away.

[violet timber]

The skoda can actually be aggressive if you’re good at the game

[sharp elm]

thats called bad luck imo
i got my cupola penned by a camping t49 300 meters away in a tiger 1, and that cupola is tiny compared to a skoda t56

[violet timber]

That’s what you get for needlessly exposing yourself

[solid gate]

exposing? my hull was under a a rock and the cupola was the only exposed part.

[sharp elm]

clearly you didn't gun block correctly then

[violet timber]

Try covering up your cupola with your gun. Oh wait sorry you said you already gun block, so this shouldn’t have happened in the first place.

[lyric copper]

half the time you don’t even need to gun block

just reverse down the ridge

and slightly turn your turret to the left

[solid gate]

wait wait, if you guys tell me that that vehicle is that good and you guys know that much bout it tell me a vehicle that ı can use it like ı used nearly ever vehicle in the game.

[lyric copper]

no point talking to someone who thinks one of the better T8 premiums is bad

[solid gate]

lmao there it goes xd

[violet timber]

You’re telling me you can figure out similar vehicles?

[solid gate]

skoda is the first vehicle that ı struggle in the blitz, ım playing for 8 years. its my first time using a vehicle that bad.

[violet timber]

I highly doubt that. Skoda is incredibly easy to play, and incredibly straightforward.

[solid gate]

ıdk its my first time being bad in a vehicle maybe its cuz ım excited?

[lyric copper]

just hulldown it’s not that hard

[solid gate]

bro ık how to hull down ı used lots of vehicles like that.

ı think ım just having an unlucky day. yeah ıll go with that.

[lyric copper]

“I’m not bad at the game trust”

[solid gate]

yes, ım not bad in that game.

under 50 WR is bad.

[rotund gull]

Gj, but Pz 68 is the better Option and Strv 42m make a break XD

[steady loom]

What do people think of the TNH 105? Ngl not my fav tank atm...

[solid gate]

its good. easy to play.

[steady loom]

A shame the hull is pretty weak though

[solid gate]

angle it it will increase your luck to get riochet and non-pen shots.

use hull downs.

[onyx raven]

Why would the Panzer 68 be better? It’s not like these tanks need to conform to real life.

[solid gate]

also you dont have to worry bout the hull armor cuz you have to use hull down positions mostly it has a strong turret and a gun with 7 degrees of of dep whic is good enough

the gun is also good so you should not have issues to play it.

[steady loom]

I'm not having issues...i guess it's fine. Kinda like the whole line though they all feel a bit meh i guess

[solid gate]

yeah ı didnt liked the line too. they dont look fun enough. they still easy to play but not fun to play.

btw ı think CS-52 LIS is the easiest vehicle to play in the game its so op. also its a lot of fun to play with its just me or not?

[onyx raven]

It’s a decent Tier 7 med, but not OP.

[solid gate]

decent? bro that thing is bussin its so good.

like can you tell me anything bad about it?

[remote kindle]

The depression 👍

[solid gate]

ever tank has few bad sides. if they didnt had any they would be broken.

[remote kindle]

So your saying now that it isn’ broken? Your saying the opposite of what you were saying.

[solid gate]

its broken tho lmao its so good that it doesnt even need the gun depression.

its so accurate. with high DPM and alpha with very good turret armor. and has a 80mm upper frontal plate with good angle its just so good its a bit slow for a medium which is its 46km/h

[onyx raven]

The pen is somewhat iffy.

[solid gate]

the only bad thing ık about the CS is the low pen and a bit low speed.

[onyx raven]

The only bad thing is that they took a Tier 8 and made it a Tier 7.

[remote kindle]

@solid gate you only measure speed by top speed? Eh.

[solid gate]

nope. if you are talking bout the mobility its very good.

[violet timber]

It’s not high dpm lol

[solid gate]

@violet timberits very enough if you are skilled with mediums.

[violet timber]

I love the CS, but calling it high dpm is lying

[solid gate]

ıdk it feels very very enough when ım using it it feels like it reloads so fast.

but the avarage damage of the CS is something else ngl

[violet timber]

It’s quite literally worst in class dpm

[solid gate]

ı mean higher calibers equals to lower DPM it has a 105mm gun at tier 7.

[violet timber]

I am aware.

[steady loom]

isnt that thing already in the game?

[solid gate]

its very accuarte tho, alos its big ıdk why it has that much hiding ability.

[steady loom]

well kinda...the bt art?

[violet timber]

Accuracy is okay

[solid gate]

ıdk it feels more than ok it feels so accurate.

[violet timber]

It’s not that accurate

[steady loom]

ahh ok :3

[solid gate]

ıdk ı dont really miss with it,

[violet timber]

The one nice thing is it has good aimtime

[solid gate]

yes, also it has 70mm sides which is so good for a tier 7 medium.

to make it more clear even the tiger 1 has 89mm.

[violet timber]

Side armor is okay, the main thing is the upper plate

[solid gate]

so it turned out Skoda T56 is so good, ı played it with more and figured out how to play with it ngl that thing is so good.

[remote kindle]

Tiger 1 and it’s upper, middle and lower plate.

[solid gate]

ı miss read the side armor of the skoda T56 ı thought it was 117mm it turned out it was only 70mm so ı can play much better with it its so good sry for calling it terrible lmao.

@violet timberyes the upper plate of the CS is so goddamn good.

when we will get a legendeary camo for the CS-52 wg!

[remote kindle]

Calm yourself, breath air and know it’s 200mm which gets penned by alot of things.

And then you get uptier’ed and get whipped by everyone.

[solid gate]

isnt the tiger 1s frontal upper plate 178mm in blitz?

[remote kindle]

Yes?

[solid gate]

ohh you not talking bout the tiger?

[remote kindle]

No, im talking about the cs.

[solid gate]

ohh u meant the effective thicknes?

[remote kindle]

Yes? Get on the program.

[solid gate]

yes armor inspector says its 185-200mm of effective thickness.

it goes up to 250-270mm effective thickness when you use the 6 degree gun dep.

[blissful cave]

Yeeeea let’s gooo another BT-42 enjoyer
😎🤜🤛😎
🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮

[obsidian flume]

I cant pen it from the front :/ theres no weak lower plate bar

[remote kindle]

In what?

[obsidian flume]

45tp habicha, another heavy that should be good at penning things
It is, just not the tiger

[remote kindle]

Your low tier so it’s normal.

[obsidian flume]

Tiger 1 is tier 7 right?

[remote kindle]

Yes.

[obsidian flume]

Well, tier 7 vs tier 7…
Habicha cant pen front of tiger 1 but it can pen front of habicha
Sucks a lot… considering side plate is the only option and the spaced armour makes it harder to hit compared to habicha with just a flat side armour…

[balmy compass]

Tiger I is just overcooked, the lower plate isn’t much of a weakspot

[obsidian flume]

It’s not at all…
Higher hp than habicha pretty sure as well…
Polish tier 7 get dominated by german tier 7
Im lucky that those who play tiger are occasionally lacking braincells so thats ok

Idk i hope 60tp pulls in clutch and becomes better than e100

[balmy compass]

Tiger I is overcooked as a really fast heavy with great DPM and penetration while having a strong enough frontal armor profile to make most meds use prammo to penetrate

60TP trades gun handling for a better armor profile then E 100

[dark schooner]

I finally picked up my first ever tank line I never got to tier X and am wondering how exactly I’m supposed to play the jpanther 2. It’s so fast it doesn’t feel like it should camp at the back and isn’t armored enough to fight heavies, so am I supposed to have a go at brawling with meds without a turret?

[balmy compass]

Most people will tell you to hulldown, although I will tell you that will be difficult being so massively tall
I suggest being a supportive tank and try to peek-a-boo enemies
You have good DPM so you can brawl with a lonely tank

[dark schooner]

Wondering if I played this properly

[obsidian flume]

How bad the gun handling for 60tp?

Even at tier 7 the armour proves to be pretty cracked

[blissful cave]

Something world of tanks does that I don’t think war Thunder does is add concept tanks
Stuff that only existed in blueprints I haven’t played the game but I’m pretty sure they don’t

(Kinda don’t like that sometimes they’ll add ones that are purely made up with zero proof in reality but you win some ya lose some)

[vagrant wind]

they have to in order to complete lines

[zinc finch]

too late

new tank is pz38na and that sherman with pershing turret

[vagrant wind]

which tank?

[zinc finch]

its called m4/t26

[vagrant wind]

its been made for testing

[blissful cave]

I’m currently working on a top 10 concept tanks thing but it’s not really easy since it is only tanks that no full working tank was ever built of it but at the same time also be a real concept so the window is pretty specific

Tanks that part of it was built like how only the hull of the E-100 was built would make it count as a concept tank since one was never finished
But something like Abrams TTB where a fully working one was built would not even though it never entered full production

Screw it I did it anyway

[dark schooner]

Trying to figure out what makes the e25 so good into the smasher

[vocal storm]

does anyone know when obj.752 will be sold？

[solid wolf]

uhh hi guys

i hope i get good tier 7

[ivory fjord]

Pudel or type25 pilot 1 or max m4 49????

[slow valley]

I think Tornvagn is a one trick pony, it's annoying hull down but anything else it is below average

[little rock]

With my free xp should I research:
E3
E4
Jageroo
Sheridan
Fv4202

[quasi wedge]

Which td is better between :
1- Obj.263 (high traverse speed, fast reload)
2- Ho-ri (best pen of the game)
3- T110e3 (high damage per shot)

[plucky summit]

E25 is capable of facehugging a Smasher, so the Smasher is unable to hit the E25

[blissful cave]

This is a top 10 favorite concept designs for the tanks themselves not playstyles or anything

Don’t have it that was before I started playing

I have regular Sheridan and that tank is one of my favorites I’ve been on a Sheridan irl
And it’s the most fun tier 10 for me

But missile I don’t have and don’t have any intent to get I think it looks awful (the “camo” design it permanently has)

[jade geyser]

Aight, Keiler or Action X guys, which is more useful in battle? And does anyone know both of their credit coefficients?

Looking at them on paper and their armor profiles, they seem very identical, so it seems the choice comes down to either higher one shot damage or better mobility and dpm, can anyone who maybe has both elaborate on what their strengths and weaknesses are?

I did kinda figure, especially seeing as it has the higher damage record currently, but overall it does seem to have a lower avg dmg compared to Keiler, but that too could be skewed because the Keiler has like 340 players that have played it vs the Action X which has a couple thousand

[wispy jewel]

How is bat 25t?

[jade geyser]

Yeah I saw that too, which I understand translates to greater flexibility in battle which in turn should result in greater effectiveness

Makes sense, I have the E 75 TS, so I do kinda already have a tank like the Keiler, cause I think the only difference pretty much literally is the turret shape

Ok, so the TS has better pen and gun handling but is slower, that's the other difference, but it's not huge, so I think it's safe to say they're practically the same tank

Yeah, so I got the Action X since it will genuinely be a new/different tank in my garage

Lol, I'm decent at the game, but I've definitely had my skills collect rust the last couple years. And yeah, I prolly wouldnt want that, cause if I wanna run multiple tanks that are basically the exact same, I'd go on War Thunder for that, but here I want true variety.

[timber relic]

kv-2 is op for 6 tier tanks

[jade geyser]

Also, I do also have the 252U and T26E4, I got a lot of premiums. And I think you mean the E5, 57, E3, and E4 all share the same hull 🤣

[little rock]

Good joke

[timber relic]

thats not a joke

[jade geyser]

And if I really wanted to split hairs, I'd say the M48, 57, E3, E4, and E5 all share the same hull. Which interestingly, the M48A1 in the game isnt actually an M48A1, IRL, what we have that is called M48A1 is really a Magach 3, cause in American use the M48A1 had a 90mm gun and a different engine bay for a less powerful engine, granted though, also IRL, that 90mm gun fired a 320mm pen HEATFS round, which if we had as the primary round in game would be busted. Also the M46 when maxed out is actually M47, so there's that too

What is the M47 improved? You talking about the M46 when it has the M47 turret?

Oh I see now, is that coming to Blitz?

The front of the M47 Improved turret gives off strong German M48 Super vibes

[frail dagger]

Just got the T14 how do i play it?

[lyric copper]

except they dont call it the M48A1

its just an M48

[late thistle]

Questions about the FV4005: Cali or vents? Also which consumables do you run besides the multi repair kit? shell reload and... reticle or super speed? can't decide

[lyric copper]

calibrated really

intraclip boost and retcal

[blissful hamlet]

4005 was far more enjoyable with its old 3-shell clip.
I just got to dislike the current 4K5, a bit too difficult to play it well.

[sharp axle]

Just dont play it its a low tier tank

[late thistle]

What was the difference besides the shell number? I just acquired it and enjoying it in big boss

[blissful hamlet]

3 seconds intraclip but 460 alpha, a bit less exposure time, I don't remember if the accuracy was better before

[late thistle]

accuracy seems to be a problem for long range sniping, gonna switch the super speed for retcal as @lyric copper said

[lyric copper]

it was technically since you didnt have a 4th shell to fire and thus have worse after shot dispersion

the curent 4005 relies so hard on both intraclip and retcal to deal damage at long range, where it is safest

[blissful hamlet]

Current 4005 is very good at burning your credits with the consumables.

Another issue I have with the 4005, not entirely related to the stats, is that I tend to play more aggressively on it, it doesn't work that well half the times.

[ancient iron]

Action X or Keiler?

[lyric copper]

keiler

[frosty ibex]

Fcm36pak40 ftw lol jk

[zinc finch]

id pick cax

[undone star]

Keiler

[misty wing]

T57 has the M103 hull, which is different from the M48 hull, which is used by the T77. All you really have to do is count the road wheels

[misty wing]

Keiler

[solid gate]

Guys how many gold i get if i sell the t42 in the event thingy

[zinc finch]

prob for credits only...only collectors are sold for gold

[solid gate]

Oh

[snow rune]

Churchill 8 sniping expirience:

[misty wing]

Essex

[violet timber]

Keiler by far

[violet timber]

We have the M48A5, the T57 hull is an M103 hull, and the T110 project is something else

[misty wing]

idk how Keiler is getting so underrated that people are even asking that question lol

[violet timber]

Idk how AX is getting so highly rated that you’d take it over the Keiler

[snow rune]

E75TS > keiler but keiler is still good

[kind flicker]

Why does the m48 raumpanzer have more turret Armour than Patton?

[violet timber]

Yeah no, Keiler is better

[snow rune]

That's completely wrong in many ways

[undone star]

They're the same but keiler doesnt get pen frontally in the turret

[violet timber]

It’s not

[kind flicker]

Keiler has usable turret Armour
75ts does not

[snow rune]

E75TS has better gun depression dpm top speed and turret armor is still good on TS.

I just had a keiler try to use his "turret" against my TS and he ended up living 2 minutes max

[misty wing]

Keiler is easily the superior tank lol

[undone star]

Its still a flat turret and its not even good

And your own experience in one battle doesnt say anything

[snow rune]

Have yall even played the TS? I doubt it

[kind flicker]

I have both, keiler is flat out better

[misty wing]

the real difference is that the Keiler has an extra 50 alpha (also PBR)

[late thistle]

I prefer the Lowe

[snow rune]

Bro ppl can't angle to save their lives lmao

[kind flicker]

You can't angle the ts turret

[late thistle]

keiler has a great looking camo

[lethal wasp]

Hello

[violet timber]

In Reality Keiler has a better gun, the same mobility, and a better armor profile

[misty wing]

hi Reality

[snow rune]

Yes u definitely can't 100%
Thats without even using enhanced armor lmao

[violet timber]

Autocorrect sucks so much

[snow rune]

Tonk

[undone star]

Keiler doesnt even have to move the turret to bounce

Not even lowe

[lethal wasp]

Y’a t’il des français ici

[misty wing]

260mm gets buttered by tier 9 and some tier 8 pramo, for the Keiler you have to hit the relatively small cheeks

[misty wing]

our resident francophone is @safe cedar
(I took one semester of French and am now washed at it)

[snow rune]

First of all both these tanks are easy to pen and also this is a 7v7 where in most cases u need to watch out from multiple angles where their armor is less than t7 heavies

[violet timber]

Then armor doesn’t matter for either and the Keiler wins based on its gun

[misty wing]

well neither of those tanks are gonna be the Maus and bounce shots from left right and behind

[undone star]

Easy to pen, i cant even imagine how easy it would be to pen TS then 😂😂, i could even close my eyes and it wouldnt bounce by that logic

[snow rune]

Nope less dpm and alpha still loses to lots of tanks but unlike TS it can't rely on getting 2 shots off every 400 damage it takes

[misty wing]

that's just flat out wrong, also Keiler has much better pen

[violet timber]

Better pen and alpha make up for the lost dpm

[snow rune]

TS can reliably bounce them especially if u use enhanced armor

[misty wing]

your turret sides aren't bouncing anything in the TS

[violet timber]

If you’re going to use the “multiple angles” argument, the TS won’t be bouncing either mate lmao

[snow rune]

Pen? Rly? U struggle to pen stuff with TS?

[misty wing]

this isn't about the player; higher number = better for pen.

[snow rune]

Yea sure TS bounces in the sides and front turret if u angle properly

[violet timber]

I never said that. It’s just that 10 more standard and 20 more premium pen makes it much more comfortable to play

[violet timber]

Definitely not lmao. And if you angle properly, the Keiler has a more reliable armor profile

[misty wing]

Keiler has the best alpha of any tier 8 heavy that isn't a 122mm or (god forbid) the Caliban, which is overall just a huge advantage

[snow rune]

No if u angle a keiler u have even worse armor than usual. And if TS can't bounce anything then how do I bounce most shells

[misty wing]

He said "angled properly", which for the Keiler, is looking directly at them, turret wise.

[violet timber]

The Keiler has 100mm sides, the E75 TS has 80mm on the lower sides.

[snow rune]

Yes but the side turret on keiler is angled towards the front which means just a tiny turn of the turret makes them an ez pen

[violet timber]

So don’t turn the turret…

And if you end up in a crossfire, the Keiler can pull out better due to 15kph reverse compared to 12

[snow rune]

Yea OK yall are dense I'm out. Keiler is the worse TS

[misty wing]

better*

[violet timber]

It’s okay to admit when you’re wrong lmao

[snow rune]

If I was I would admit it yes. Anyway gtg study cya

[zinc finch]

corona

[zinc finch]

same as lowe tbh
e75 ts is even worse as you can just pen its flat armor wont ricochet anything

[misty wing]

Honda

[zinc finch]

slow

out of all things and you would prefer a slow honda smh

[misty wing]

and toyota isn't?

[zinc finch]

most cars in my neighbourhood are toyotas, and hyundais, and kias
only my aunt owns a red honda which kinda speaks for itself

[misty wing]

slower than an NSX

[zinc finch]

im sorry for your loss

[misty wing]

ok? I'm not a fan of either tbh, but Honda > Toyota
at least they're in F1 (sort of)

[zinc finch]

get a load of this guy

[misty wing]

you're just flaming me with 0 justification or real arguments lmao

[zinc finch]

calling honda superior
if you mean motorcycles id pass but lmaoooo

[misty wing]

let's hear your arguments then
you always seem to lack them here

[zinc finch]

sorry im not arguing with a redditor, you are going to drag this on like all the other times...an old honda is really slow, ppl in the us always make fun of it etc etc

[misty wing]

don't make fun of people only to chicken out when asked to defend your opinions then.

[violet timber]

Cars not built for speed aren’t fast, how horrible

[zinc finch]

do you even into cars??? theres a meme that honda users have to hit the gas all the way thru to speed up

[violet timber]

I am into cars, and old Hondas aren’t built for speed lmao, they were just crazy reliable

[misty wing]

1. Honda customers don't buy them because they want to go fast
2. you act like Toyotas are the cream of the crop when it comes to speed lmao
3. the NSX is faster than any Toyota, and Honda builds the engines for the reigning F1 constructor's champions

[zinc finch]

dude can you just chat like a normal person, im truly speechless with you

[misty wing]

how does a normal person chat lmao
I think a normal person makes real, valid arguments instead of throwing out personal attacks and avoiding questions constantly

[halcyon lotus]

TOYOTA

[zinc finch]

like yknow not writing with reddit spaces and bullets

valid arguments
i already hate you. you act smug bc you did a google search, hondas are slow, and ppl dont want speed with reasonably priced cars

[undone star]

TOYOTA!!!!!!

[halcyon lotus]

btw if ya’ll talking about toyotas, let’s carry on in #off-topic-discussion otherwise mods will get mad

[misty wing]

I don't even know what "reddit spaces" are, and I'm trying to make my message easier to read for YOU by spacing out my arguments into a list, and you're gonna flame me for it? lmao what a joke

[zinc finch]

you are delusional you dont even know that your acting is by no means good, and your so weak everything makes you offended
you belongs to reddit fr. mark my words

cant even take a joke or call it a joke, but "personal attacks" ugh

[misty wing]

dude you're getting offended that I put in the effort to write a coherent message lmao, and I'm the "weak" one

[zinc finch]

no you can type as many paragraphs as you want

[misty wing]

and you can type as many trash takes as you want

[zinc finch]

since youre so good at facts and logic, how about a quick google search about slow honda memes? do it for me

[violet timber]

Holy Copium dude

[misty wing]

so the whole "honda sucks" thing was a joke?

[zinc finch]

i cant post links here so you gonna do it yourself. touching grass is good too

you can buy any car you want, like any brand, but ill still call your hondas slow bc it is.

[misty wing]

except you didn't just call it slow, you posted numerous messages attempting to make fun of anyone who likes Honda.

[zinc finch]

well now i posted it. i mean make fun of me i have a kia with stupidly weak security bc i was dumb, but i admit it and i dont freak out

[misty wing]

I'm not gonna make fun of what car you have because I don't care, nor do I care that Hondas are slow

[zinc finch]

well they are better now hopefully...but id reccommend new owners to buy toyota
well then ur just ignoring the fact that hondas are slow, thats some crazy copium right there

[violet timber]

There’s Toyota slow memes as well 🤷‍♂️

[misty wing]

I'm not ignoring it, speed just isn't my priority lmao. I also don't own a Honda nor do I plan on buying one

[zinc finch]

well i dont see it really its mostly hondas
oh and also hyundai if ur owning a family van. their EVs are cool too cant get wrong with it

[violet timber]

Confirmation bias go hard

[zinc finch]

no really its just that...theres a meme for every car if you look hard enuff

[misty wing]

and I don't use memes to judge what cars I want

[violet timber]

Exactly, so there’s no reason to go after Honda specifically

[zinc finch]

im saying it again you can buy whatever thats on you, but the word of mouth says that hondas are slow so if you dont know what ur doing go for safer options. thats it

im speechless with yall. see ya

[violet timber]

Confirmation bias go hard

[ornate coral]

what does that mean
im foreign

[misty wing]

speechless with us for not caring that a car not built for speed is slow? lmao

[violet timber]

My civilian car can’t go 120 nooooo! I cant go 50mph over the speed limit!!!!!

[misty wing]

50TP lmfao
been talking too much wotb

[ornate coral]

oh I thought they were gonna leave the server.. nvm

[violet timber]

Autocorrect actually sucks, you can say something properly and it still corrects it

[ornate coral]

why not disable it...

[rugged fjord]

lol so i registered for blitz 9 years ago and havent touched the game since, and I saw an email saying free premium if I log in and I dont generally say no to free; what do I pick, cause I have no idea whats good

[misty wing]

Keiler

[rugged fjord]

why? is it more idiot proof, stronger over all, or lower skil floor? (or rarer)

[misty wing]

stronger

[glass otter]

Easy to play and strongest of the three

[rugged fjord]

aight thx, im ready to fail on a game i dont really remember, unless its similar to regular wot?

[ornate coral]

I recommend Action X, really strong hulldown, great dpm & fun to play

[glass otter]

AX is overrated, the tech tree carn is way better now

[ornate coral]

Idk. Its just my opinion

[misty wing]

Keiler is fairly unique in having 360 alpha, whereas the AX is just a worse version of a tech tree tank

[rugged fjord]

how about skoda, tho i am aware generally downtiering premiums is bad

[glass otter]

skoda is good but why would you pick a t7 prem instead of a t8

[misty wing]

meh, seems boring and it's in a more painful/boring tier

[balmy compass]

Keiler actually has 350 alpha

[rugged fjord]

fair enough

[ornate coral]

blitzstars tank compare says that action x performs much better

[rugged fjord]

theres no artillery in blitz right? i dont feel like pulling out my hair today

[glass otter]

no blitz doesnt have arty

[balmy compass]

Artillery doesn’t exist in blitz

[rugged fjord]

excellent

[glass otter]

we had something similiar with ATGMS tho

[misty wing]

oops, still a rare number for tier 8

[sharp elm]

that'd be incorrect if you're comparing it to the Caernarvon

[balmy compass]

Yeah, it’s fairly beefy

[rugged fjord]

is it still in the game?

[ornate coral]

what 🤔

[balmy compass]

Nope

[glass otter]

thank god no, just in gamemodes

[rugged fjord]

also i think i have a 2016 alt, so i get to pick one of four on that alt; any recommendations? (tho im guessing 8s only so M4 or pilot)

[sharp elm]

basically the caernarvon (tech tree version) of the action X has more alpha, and can perform the same hulldown capacity as the action X

[balmy compass]

Get the AMX heavy, the other 2 are kinda meh

[rugged fjord]

I hated pilot in WOT tho, so im hesitant on that unless pilot is a lot better in blitz?

[glass otter]

anyways if you want a dpm based premium heavy tank just get a chieftain or a sheriff

[undone star]

Its not a relevant tank and it never was

[ornate coral]

it has turret cheeks that are weakspots, overall worse accuracy abd mobility

[glass otter]

its alright but its not "good" compared to other meds at t8, just get a regular pershing at that point

[rugged fjord]

fair enough; same in regular wot. I much prefered my T54 mod1 or using my 112 as a medium. Do those tanks exist in blitz?

[sharp elm]

i completely forgot i had random ass files floating around but i'd say the caer is better

[balmy compass]

T-54 Mod 1 is mid here
WZ-112 is an okay tank

[rugged fjord]

not wz, 112: https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Tank:Ch23_112

[glass otter]

we have two 112s, the glacial and 112 celestial, mod 1 is irrelevant nowadays

[ornate coral]

Ok. But from a neutral point of view, ax is better

[misty wing]

112 glacial is pretty meh, 112-2 is strong

[rugged fjord]

i love the 112 in regular wot, bricktank with heat, anything similar here? (more bricktank less heat, i prefer apcr as premium ammo anyways)

heat is just better meme

[misty wing]

yes, it's called the 112 glacial. Literally just a regular 112 with a permanent camo, I guess like the T26E5 Patriot for example

[sharp elm]

define neutral, on flat ground?

[misty wing]

it's really not. If you're looking at average winrate, premiums have a massive advantage in that regard, so it's not really fair

[ornate coral]

The tech stats are just better

[glass otter]

tech tree carn gets the gimmick consumables so it is better, especially with the reactive armor

[misty wing]

looks like you didn't see the superior DPM and alpha of the regular caern

[rugged fjord]

wait reactive armor is a thing in this game? its not just steel?

[misty wing]

it's just a special consumable that when activated, temporarily decreases the damage you take

[ornate coral]

300 more dpm and thats it.. ok..

[rugged fjord]

that is a lot less cool than i expected 😦

[glass otter]

300dpm difference is a lot tho lol

[misty wing]

300 is a TON lol, as is 35 alpha

[rugged fjord]

300 dpm is a giant difference no? I thought it was the difference between trash tier and excellent dpm? At least thats what I recall from WOT regular

[ornate coral]

300 dpm less for much better accuracy, higher top speed+mobility and armor. Yes please.

[last jacinth]

T100-lt tracks can consume shells?

[glass otter]

dude you are barely gonna feel a difference in mobility

[misty wing]

neither the mobility, accuracy, nor the armor are "much" better. and you're still ignoring the alpha damage

[glass otter]

note that the regular carn is 5 tons less

[ornate coral]

You forgot the traverse speed (25% more)

[rugged fjord]

wait but is the keilers dpm better?

cause that will dictate playstyle right? from what i can tell caernarvon and AX need to sit hull down exposed and continuously fire, and when trading shoot twice before falling back. What does Keiler do/need to do

[glass otter]

sidescrape or go hulldown, thats it

[misty wing]

Keiler plays similarly to the E75 tbh

[rugged fjord]

can canaervon side scrape?

[misty wing]

not as important as 18% more alpha with higher DPM

[ornate coral]

Prolly not, with 53mm of side armor
ax can ~90mm

[misty wing]

if you're sidescraping in an AX you're probably trolling tbh

[rugged fjord]

not overmatchable right? man I play too much world of warships cause im thinking 460mm overmatch 😛 (which overmatches 32mm, but im guessing boat overmatch is different from tank overmatch)

[lyric copper]

its idiot proof

[vagrant wind]

imagine fv215b 460 💀

[rugged fjord]

i mean a 7in 180mm gun is already gigantic for a tank no?

[lyric copper]

here its if the caliber of the gun is 3 times thicker than the armour youre tryna pen

e.g a 150mm gun will overmatch a 49.9mm plate

[rugged fjord]

unless u guys got a direct fire 203 like the russian artillery pieces in regular wot?

[lyric copper]

we dont have any caliber bigger than 183mm

[rugged fjord]

ok and spaced works as usual, overmatch checks each plate it passes separately (so the ax 90mm which i think looks like 2 plates is gonna have two checks at least?)

[ornate coral]

not really convincing

[glass otter]

wdym not really convincing lmao

[rugged fjord]

ngl ax looks nicer and thats def gonna play a role in my choice if they are both good 😛

im a sucker for a nice looking tank

[glass otter]

it really isnt...

[rugged fjord]

beauty is in the eye of the beholder tho, i like how the AX looks, i dont like the proportions of the keiler looking on google images

[ornate coral]

C: - Higher alpha (225 vs 190) and dpm (~3k vs ~2.7k)
Ax: - Much better 1. accuracy 2. armor 3. Traverse speed and overall mobility
Its just that all these advantages are more important than 35 more damage per shot, thats what I mean by not convincing

[misty wing]

Again, none of those are much better and they're not more important than having a better gun

[rugged fjord]

doesnt that depend on map and playstyle, esp if side armor is significantly different it changes what positions u can use right?

[glass otter]

weird hill to die on but ok

[rugged fjord]

unless neither ax nor tech canaervon can use any side armor required spots

[ornate coral]

0.14 vs 0.08 dispersion when moving the turret is not much better? or no turret weakspots in comparison to caernarvon is not better?

[earnest rapids]

caern and ax mobility isnt any different in practice tho

[rugged fjord]

going back to the original question, is the keiler armor better than the AX tho? doesnt really matter if canaervon is better than AX if AX is better than keiler since thats what im choosing between

also are either tanks restricted in methods of obtaining in case i want to start collecting tanks?

[undone star]

I would say keiler stands with better armor

[sharp elm]

thats kinda correct, i use a tiger with a refined barrel between a 90% crew and a 100% crew and the accuracy is nigh identical

[ornate coral]

what? 🤔

[rugged fjord]

so canaer ax gun is different (dpm and accuracy vs alpha) but keiler has better armor?

[glass otter]

both tanks are sold for gold eventually every once in a while

[sharp elm]

so the accuracy differences are basically not there, tiger comparison was an example

[ornate coral]

Its about caernarvon and action x

[sharp elm]

yeah, but the tiger example was to prove your point about their accuracy wrong, they basically are near identical

[rugged fjord]

originally it was about if i should get the keiler or AX, but it has been sidetracked to AX vs canaer

[ornate coral]

I dont understand why crew plays a role... its literally raw stats whta crew

[blissful cave]

Dang why’s this camo like ONLY on this tank I’ve never seen it anywhere else and it looks soooo good (it’s not a legendary camo)

[sharp elm]

crew does play a role lmao, it affects your tank's parameters, a 90% crew offers less dpm and less accuracy than a 100% crew

[ornate coral]

yeah "lmao" but crew does not play a role when youre comparing 2 tanks

[blissful cave]

If you’re comparing two tanks then it’s only fair to compare em if they’re at the same crew level

[sharp elm]

you missed the whole point, i used the tiger accuracy difference as an example to tell you the carn and the AX basically have near identical accuracy levels

[undone star]

Cax is a premium though, it comes with 100% crew when you buy it no matter what

[blissful cave]

Saying a tank with 100% crew is better than this other tank with stock crew isn’t really gonna be fair because first of all obviously but second who’s gonna have it at stock pretty much no one

[ornate coral]

No they do not have the same... as you can see in the stats

[sharp elm]

disclaimer, NEAR identical

[ornate coral]

yeah every tank has near identical dispersion, thats correct

[earnest rapids]

blud cant read a single sentence

[rugged fjord]

quite different from regular wot then, cause there are def better snap-shotters in wot

[sharp elm]

as if a tiger 1 and a kv-2 have nearly identical accuracy smh....

[ornate coral]

It was sarcastic

[sharp elm]

you're that much slightly more inaccurate in exchange for 300 dpm, i'd take it

[ornate coral]

Its the whole combination of advantages the ax has over c,
of course I would take higher damage over accuracy, too

[rugged fjord]

man is there a blitz test serverr to just try these tanks on?

[sharp elm]

the AX barely has any advantages, the mobility is near identical, the accuracy of the guns are near identical, but the carn gun is just better

[ornate coral]

the ax armor is just better

[misty wing]

It doesn't matter because neither tank is meant to rely on its armor. You might get one more lucky bounce in the AX every other game, but that's it. The 35 extra alpha that the Caern has is a noticeable, tangible difference that will make an impact with every shot, and you will be making tons of shots every game.

[rugged fjord]

wait i thought u could rely on AX turret armor?

[ornate coral]

Not reall, since both tanks should be played in hulldown, and ax has much better turret armor than caernarvon

[sharp elm]

you could, but your turret cheeks could potentially get penned by the ISU-152, provided he gets lucky with his pen and shell normalization (also has to use prammo)

[rugged fjord]

keiler turret do better?

[misty wing]

It's really not that much better of a turret, and you shouldn't rely on either one in the same way you can rely on a Kran turret for example

[sharp elm]

the only advantage i see with the AX is the fact its turret can eat heat rounds

[ornate coral]

At least 50mm more + spaced armor is much better I think

[misty wing]

The turret roof is a weakspot up close, whereas for the regular Caern the mantlet is impenetrable and takes up most of the turret front no matter what you do

[sharp elm]

if you're talking about the spaced armor on the sides, they're pretty much the same
and the carn's spaced armor is the mantlet while the AX's spaced armor is just on the sides of the turret

[ornate coral]

Turret

[sharp elm]

the mantlet seems like a better spaced armor choice imo

[ornate coral]

cheeks and roof are still weak tho...

[sharp elm]

thats for both tanks, well the cheeks of the AX are a bit stronger, but the cupola is sorta massive

[misty wing]

AX turret is better, don't get me wrong, but it's still just a troll to decent turret, not a 53TP turret. Ultimately it doesn't make up for having such inferior firepower

[ornate coral]

No, ax does have a stronger roof and stronger cheeks

[sharp elm]

the roof gets penned by prammo if it isn't hulldown

[ornate coral]

At least 250mm roof vs ~130mm roof

[sharp elm]

fine, i guess you could say the AX has a better turret, but...

the inferior firepower just doesn't seem worth it

[ornate coral]

seem, personal preference

[misty wing]

British heavies are about their firepower. Doubling down on that advantage is more important than having better, but still mid armor

[sharp elm]

i mean, you're gonna take like 10-ish seconds longer to murder a single tank in the AX compared to the carn, and i prefer killing them faster then being a high pen comet

[ornate coral]

20 seconds 🤔 whered you get that number from...

[sharp elm]

lets say you're shooting a vk 168, and its got 2k hp or so

we'll assume every hit does the average damage for each gun, 190 to 225

[ornate coral]

id say a little better than mid, since the caernarvons turret is mid, and again its not just the armor, its all the slightly better stats together

[misty wing]

Say you want to kill a tank with 1750 HP, you will need 37.8 for AX, 31.5 for regular caern, assuming both start with a shell loaded

[ornate coral]

6 seconds 🤔 real

[misty wing]

Caern has like a 6/10 turret and AX probably a 7 to 7.5, both of which are mid for a heavy

[sharp elm]

thats for one tank, add it up over the course of a battle
if we account for ricochets and non pens it'll be even longer

in an ideal world where everything pens and you deal around the alpha damage, you'll be behind by 42 seconds

[ornate coral]

plus you need to hit all those shots, here the better accuracy might (!) get a hit when the accuracy of the caernarvon wouldve missed
Or youll survive because you bounce a shot of your spaced armor turret

[sharp elm]

the turret of the AX would've absorbed it assuming that was a heat round while the carn may have a non pen, bouncing shots would be from AP and APCR
(i dunno why i said that)

[misty wing]

AX is just too much of a peashooter to be really effective, having such low alpha with fast reload means you need to put yourself into bad situations to get out damage, and unlike meds you don't have the mobility to flank to get it done

[ornate coral]

not always, its situational

[sharp elm]

both of them are kinda like peashooters, except the carn is just a heavy version of the centurion 1

[misty wing]

I didn't say always, but it's harder to be effective in compared to the regular Caern, which you can be more content with not firing as often

[last jacinth]

What game pfp is iy

[misty wing]

Caern is also a peashooter but at least it has the standard alpha for a med, and not below it

[sharp elm]

true

[misty wing]

problem with the AX (and other 190 alpha tanks in tier 8, tbh) is that it feels like so much work to get out 10 shots, which equates to 1900 damage, which is honestly pretty mid for tier 8. Get out 10 shots in a tier 10 peashooter, like the Object 140, and you have enough damage for probably a first class badge and purple WN8. As for the regular Caern, you can break the 2k barrier with just 9 shots, which is less work, and if you manage 10 you get a genuinely good game for tier 8, which you can't say the same for the AX

[lyric copper]

uhhh not really

CAX has a massive cupola, tech tree Caern does not

Caern also has a solid turret nowadays, and far better DPM

[hollow belfry]

It also gets sandbags and super consumables

[dark schooner]

The jpanther 2 is quickly becoming one of my favorite tanks

I understand why I dropped it when I first played blitz though, I think it’s a little tricky to position with how tall it is

[steady loom]

The Dpm is comparable and the Caern turret is still far too easy to pen tbh. The Action X is still superior lol

[lyric copper]

except the tech tree gets sandbags (more HP) and super consumables (medium tank speed or reactive anyone?)

[rugged fjord]

wait a sec i logged on and the options are AX or E75 RT? or is the E75 RT the same thing as the keiler?

[balmy compass]

Correct

[rugged fjord]

also while i was browsing reddit, it seems more people recommend AX over Keiler but I got the opposite opinion here, is there a reason for that (ie availability etc)

[jade geyser]

I know it’s just M48 now, but if I remember correctly it used to be M48A1

[lyric copper]

because the subreddit is filled with even more trash players than here

[warm stream]

Which one should I get?

[blissful cave]

P u d e l🇵🇱
Well I dunno which you have and don’t have if you don’t have any then AMX 49

[warm stream]

I don’t have any of them, so AMX it is.

[blissful cave]

Pudel I like the tank itself the most of those it’s from the Warsaw uprising

[simple flame]

amx

[rugged fjord]

actually im kinda curious how does AMX 49 compare to keiler? Is 9 year prize best?

[blissful cave]

But AMX 49 is the most worth it of those it’s a good tank and looks pretty cool too
I bought it and got the French flag skin for it

[wheat cloud]

The AMX is a faster but less armored Keller. Its biggest issue would be its poor gun handling

I would generally say the Keiler is the better tank, since when you hide your plate you're basically invulnerable whereas AMX basically has no armour

With the AMX? You could but those weird useless slopes will catch the heat

[dark basin]

guys gotta tell which tank is better overall? Action X or E75?

[wheat cloud]

Oh yes you can, though its actually hard to do

[wheat cloud]

I'd check guidesblitz .com

i tried and then died of an isu and never done it again ✨

problem with the liberté is the gun handling, if it had better stats it would actually be a commendable tank but it lacks in everything to be advisable to anyone ngl

No the lorraine is way better much more unique tank imo

Lmao yeah thats an issue. Overall the lorraine is very enjoyable for some people including me, its viable in some maps in tournaments, its cool looking and unique. The AMX is an other tiger clone and the 2nd french one at that. It does not compare with any of the clones tbh

Its by far the weakest of the french M4s which should include tanks from the heavy t7 to 10 ; and the two prems

yeah its a very skilled tank ngl. Also its quite heavy, fast and relatively quite armored. It can ram very well 💣

Ever had the lorraine as boss?

[violet timber]

E75

[dark basin]

what makes you say that
i just about decided on the actiom x 😂

[violet timber]

I wouldn’t check this

@dark basin AX is massively overrated. Low alpha really brings it down and it has nothing else going for it aside from dpm. E75 RT has good armor, good alpha, and reasonable mobility for what it is

[dark basin]

hmm ok. people are saying the turret armour on the RT isnt great but it might be worth it for the higher alpha

[violet timber]

It has good turret armor lol

[daring merlin]

Load gold shells and E75 turret is paper

You cant miss flat turret

[hollow notch]

So...
If you have the reward for being an og player, why are you asking all the noobs?

[dark basin]

cos i havent played in ages and i have a life innit

[lyric copper]

Fr*nch Tiger 2 copy so kinda ehh

[lyric copper]

E75 RT on the other hand

[daring merlin]

Better turret and hull weaker

Myself i like the TS over the Keiler. Better reload and higher dpm with more gun dep. And much stronger hull

[safe cedar]

It's just outdated.

[delicate zinc]

is the t42 decent?

[safe cedar]

The tier 7 is worse tbh.

[daring merlin]

30B in Alpha Predator container? Its neither alpha or predator

[dark basin]

i like this tank

[tiny oak]

I just opened a ticket to try to get my choice of tank to pop up. It never did for me and isn't visible as either a banner or button on Android, Switch, or PC. So I wait on support I suppose

Gives me more time to debate on which tank I will get I suppose

[daring merlin]

I figure after all these years. You would know all about every tank

[mortal thistle]

bot mm:

[tiny oak]

I haven't played consistently at all during the years lol. Like I would play for a couple weeks and stop over and over over the years

[dawn mango]

damn beat me by 100 hp in a t8

[fleet berry]

t0_2#0 has been warned.

[tiny oak]

I missed the 8 year rewards for example

[dawn mango]

why was i wanred?

[dark basin]

its not a damage record, i was just sharing how i had a good first game in it

[tiny oak]

Because you named and shamed

[dawn mango]

only the bad ones?

which is like 95% of players that are in my team tbh lol

[tiny oak]

You aren't allowed to name and shame. Which is good imo, it's just needless toxicity.

[dawn mango]

bullying works trust me

[dark basin]

you couldnt bully a 5 year old, be quiet and play your game

[dawn mango]

i cant when im having to carry 6 teamates every match

[lyric oriole]

You are probably in Bot MM still and that's actually a thing

[daring merlin]

Maybe WG gives you bad teamates cause of your spectacular human nature

[tiny oak]

Maybe someone can bully you into being a better person then

[dawn mango]

it would be if the enermy team wernt like esports lvl lol while my teammates play like they were just born

[daring merlin]

A good player thinks what could I have done better to win. A poor individual blames the team

[lyric oriole]

Normally with bot MM you face people with inflated win-rates because it's well... AI and it's hard to make a good AI that can use tank controls and function on multiple Axis.

[dawn mango]

ive been using this acciunt for 2 years now how am i still fighting bots?

[lyric oriole]

Are you over 5k battles yet?

[dawn mango]

you stop getting bots at 5k battles???

[tiny oak]

Tier 7 and under, I think, can have bots

[lyric oriole]

There are some truly horrendous players don't get me wrong but games like that happen pretty frequently for players in the Bot MM

[violet timber]

All tiers*

[lyric oriole]

Also yeah, and its not a sudden no more bots either, it's a gradual release

[tiny oak]

I don't think I have seen any at tier 8-10

[violet timber]

They’re much rarer due to higher player count

[dawn mango]

suppose it aint as bad as console world of tanks where they need bots coz the games terrible now on console

[lyric oriole]

Console is a sad state of affairs yeah, I used to love it but once they did the Hot wheels thing it kinda died for good

[dawn mango]

i stopped playing after the new ui change it looking like armoued warfare now i do miss it used to be the main version i played

[lyric oriole]

It is very amusing that Blitz on a mobile platform somehow stayed more stable than WoT Console

[tiny oak]

Yeah but I normally watch pretty closely for bots and I can't remember seeing ANY at 8+. Whereas 7 and under very consistent has them. Given 7s get matched with 8s I can't imagine the need for bots is so night and day different between 8 and 7

[dawn mango]

used to think blitz was the worst version but now i enjoy it more haha even enjoy it more then the pc version coz u aint gotta spend £60 + on a single tank

[lyric oriole]

Nah, blitz was never the worst Version except during the first 6 months

PC quickly became the worst version

[tiny oak]

Also no artillery, premium ammo does less damage so it isn't just straight up better, smoother grind, better prices, etc

[wheat cloud]

Real

[dawn mango]

personal opinion but its defo changed the only point is graphics but its a mobile game and still looks better then every other mobile game so cant complain tbh

[lyric oriole]

But console managed to 1-up PC during the Modern Armor update and it's pretty even

Blitz is easily #1 now

[dawn mango]

you spend 100 on pc version youll get 3 tanks at best lol i spent 100 on blitx and got i think 7 or 8 tanks from teir 10-6

[lyric oriole]

PC is also just not New player friendly

For one you need a good PC

[wheat cloud]

Wot pc is really pay to win

[dawn mango]

its daylight robbery lol

[wheat cloud]

Its surprising that the MOBILE version of a game is less pay to win ngl

[lyric oriole]

Then to add on to that even further you have the old curmudgeons of the playerbase that seal club and just spam prammo because it has no downside.

[dawn mango]

the only complaint i have is lack of low teir tanks it was sad when thye removed most t1-3 tanks

[plucky summit]

Arty. Done.

[lyric oriole]

Arty isn't bad, arty on console was fine

[dawn mango]

nuh uh pls no arty in blitz i beg

[lyric oriole]

The stun Mechanic somehow made Arty more annoying but almost unbearably annoying

All they needed to do to fix arty was make it so arty has limited range that actually mattered in most cases and lower the shell velocity further so actual leading was needed to land direct shots.

Then by comparison buff HP values slightly since arty can't sit at the back of the map anymore

[tiny oak]

The streamlining of lower tiers is probably my biggest criticism of the game where differences are concerned. That and cramming all the EU tanks into a single, increasingly crowded tree.

[dawn mango]

i do miss playing low teir tds tbh

[wanton marlin]

Amen. Remove from the game

[frail dagger]

Arty is balanced and fun if done right

[pulsar sinew]

No it is not. No more freezing cold takes from you today

[blissful cave]

Yea for the perfect example of this just go on the premium shop site you’ll see tanks that are like 10$ in blitz for like 40$

Like this super Pershing is 30$ on wot pc but here it’s “12$” or 5.5K gold (you can easily get 5.5K for way less than 12$)

[wheat cloud]

Though Spershing sucks here lmao heres to hoping pbr will fix it

[blissful cave]

I really hope my favorite tank gets buffed it’s such a cool tank and deserves better

[wheat cloud]

It wasnt such a good tank and neither was the pershing but holy rolled armour it does looks snazzy

[somber hawk]

Then there is War Thunder with even more expensive tanks and planes (70 bucks for a rank 7 plane...)

[blissful cave]

Carro 45T requiring ~400$ of in game purchases to obtain :those are amateur numbers

But if I was able to play the game the main tank id want is free I think
The Finnish tanks were put under the Swedish tech tree

[jade geyser]

STA-1 Rin getting PBR/update when? XD

[zenith shadow]

they charging $30 for ram2

[blissful cave]

You can get a tier 10 premium in blitz for the price of 30$ of gold lmao

[zenith shadow]

A tier 6 LOL

[zenith shadow]

Ikr the wot pc prices are crazy. War thunder same thing but less

Wait nvm i just checked very overpriced

[safe cedar]

If you got directly hit by arty, I can quite confidently say that you were largely stationary, ie sniping, hulldowning, etc for an extended period of time.

I hit a moving light tank like maybe every 100 battles or so at most.

[dark schooner]

Is the vk72 the best German tier X tech tree heavy?

[lyric oriole]

I agree, my only issue is the sheer range, arty should have needed to move somewhat

[dark schooner]

Anything that rewards sitting at the back of the map and doing nothing is bad game design. I think it’s unfun to play and unfun to play against

[remote kindle]

So your letting go the most usuable and rewarding technics both ingame and in real life. That’s weird. It might be boring but there is nothing more strategic then well positioning yourself in a bush so you can shoot while not getting spotted.

[safe cedar]

I don't really have any comments on that since I mostly played [french] arty with bad range and high mobility, so personally I'm more used to having to move around alot in arty.

I personally felt the French artillery was really well balanced, as it had relatively weak individual damage, but the ability to spread it out to actually help the flank.

[remote kindle]

Of course you prefer the french one 😉

[lyric oriole]

I liked 261 a lot, good mobility

[delicate zinc]

is the t42 decent?

[lyric oriole]

not really

[remote kindle]

It’s an american light, what are you expecting

[delicate zinc]

its a medium

[lyric oriole]

English only please

[remote kindle]

💀
Does it play like one?

[lyric oriole]

in terms of speed sure

[remote kindle]

And dep too. But i would consider it a light.

[safe cedar]

well even on a purely gameplay level, I preferred it.

It also made a pretty funny td too tbh.

[remote kindle]

Interesting.

[dark schooner]

I just think it’s much more engaging to position myself around buildings/rocks than to sit on a mountain scoped in all game

[safe cedar]

Honestly the 261 could be a pretty cool TD on blitz imo.

[remote kindle]

And then you die or get wounded alot in the process. Camping makes you less vulnerable, can spot more and can deal damage. Why are you not understanding that camping is good.

[hollow notch]

Lol
Picking off the deadweight that sits in the open on the enemy team does not help to win.
Good players that are shredding your team will remain in cover from you.

I do love the campers that go "I outdamadged you" after landing 2 HESH shells in the 7v1 yolo at the end of the game

[dark schooner]

When I say camping, I don’t mean spotting and moving around like what you would do in a light, I mean like sitting in the bushes on mines in a 183 and only firing 1-2 shots the whole game

It’s like, why would I sit in a bush with the e50m and try to hit the red mediums/lights from across the map when I could use the tank’s mobility and armor to bounce shots and retaliate back up close

[lament lance]

Can anyone tell me what the three medal things under the tanks rank do? I don’t know if they actually affect the tank so if they do could someone help me out?

[remote kindle]

Ah then no. I mean moving sometimes like in a su130pm to take a plce where take shots.

[remote kindle]

Nothing, it’s just cosmetic to flex

[lament lance]

Ahhh okay thanks

[dark schooner]

If I’m not mistaken, the ranks don’t do anything and are kind of a waste of credits

[lament lance]

Yeah I’m saving up for the T-100 LT grind so I’m kinda slowing down on the rank upgrades, I’m just grinding silver with the CS-52 LIS to get some good silver and I had two really good games so

[dark schooner]

Ah

[blissful cave]

Took me way longer than it should’ve to piece together that T42 is a medium version of the bulldog
They look extremely similar and T42 coming after M41 bulldog

I did read a bit about it’s history and think it’s a neat little tank I just got mine today

But it doesn’t say anywhere in there the connection to the Bulldog

[valid gale]

Because there is none the turret similarity ends visually in the same period the M47 Patton also shares the same cues

[delicate zinc]

is the 60tp similar at all to the e100?

[delicate zinc]

what consumables should i use for kranvagn

[cerulean steppe]

Una pregunta no puedo hablar español o qui o depronto si solo pregunto

Es necesario hablar inglés?

[plucky summit]

Si

[cerulean steppe]

Puro inglés ok gracias

[plucky summit]

[remote kindle]

You speak taco bell?

Impresive.

[plucky summit]

.-.

[remote kindle]

I speak best engineering, mcdonalds and baguette 👍

[plucky summit]

Diameter, depth fillet chamfer?

[remote kindle]

Wut

[plucky summit]

Engineering :p

[remote kindle]

Ahh.

[violet timber]

Counterbored and countersunk 😱

[plucky summit]

Not to scale 👿👿👿

[remote kindle]

Suspension, hybrid engine and high cost.

Oui oui pain au chocolat et fromage.

[plucky summit]

Off break now, cya

[remote kindle]

Good day at work👋

[frail dagger]

What are the two M48 leg camos called?

[violet timber]

Beast and pit bull

[remote kindle]

How much hours on the game do you have Ratus?
Too much?

[violet timber]

I have 12k battles, with probably around 2k in game modes

[blissful cave]

Yea not sure why game mode battles aren’t counted sure not with your actual stats for win rate but at least counted somewhere

[valid gale]

Game modes counting for actual win rate would be so horrible

[vagrant wind]

true

[tulip knot]

dont upgrade ranks at all. they do literally nothing to make your tank better, and are a waste of resources

[alpine fog]

only upgrade ur ranks if ur rich lol

[ancient iron]

gotta love losing creds in the T30 because RNG decides you're not allowed to pen any shots....

[ancient iron]

makes me almost wanna run it all HE.... will for sure cost my team games but at least I will get some damage

[lethal wasp]

Me i like Tiger 1

[surreal zodiac]

What's ATGMs

[frail dagger]

Anti Tank Guided Missile, its only on the T10 collector Sheridan Missile

Madly OP in its OG state, like Arty but heat

[thorny smelt]

To those who wanted the Object 752, it is now out for sale.

[blissful cave]

Großtraktor is back😎
(Tank somewhat related to the Neubaufarzeug which is a tank i really like but isn’t in the game so this is the closest thing we have)

[sharp axle]

Overpriced

[wheat cloud]

very expensive but taking into account gold/power its actually considerable, though k-91'd probably beat it

it is actually p2w though I won't argue on that

[plucky summit]

Not overpriced at all

[wheat cloud]

Also the skin has animations doesn't it? I still would much rather have the same offer without the gold cost for the 3 lootboxes because, bear with me, lootboxes are bad

oh wait you can buy it for 15000 gold the lootboxes are just bad free real estate mb

[misty wing]

752 is literally a tier 10 disguised as a tier 9

[blissful hamlet]

I would bet its weight is well above the maximum weight capacity.

[valid gale]

Is the gear icon supposed to be for the driver weird replacement

[wanton marlin]

Wg: we’re not adding any tier 9 heavy’s. Also wg: STEEL COMMANDERS

[blissful hamlet]

I remember they saying the SK was supposed to be the only t9, then, we've seen 777, 752, Lorr50t, BZ-58 II, I don't remember what more

[dusty tendon]

Please do NOT buy 752, let me keep my edge 😉

[silver torrent]

y'all have any tips for the TVP VTU, I'm having a great time grinding for the tier 9 (I'm not actually having a great time and the more I play the TVP the more I want to sell it)

Been playing big boss for the past few days and holy hell the amount of afk bosses are crazy

[wheat cloud]

If you're patient about it you can wait mad games too. I grund the škoda and hen tvp by shooting exactly never and ramming people to death

It was back when you could chat so i would just type in all caps "RAM/ТАРАН" and rarely reople would go "Affirmative" and drive like a hive of wasps towards glorious victory

Or just die really quickly and go next. In anycase a win!

[lyric copper]

imagine crying about rammers in uprising or mad games

in uprising just get wolf strike 2 and they can’t do anything to you at all

in mad games use hard cover and hard turns to avoid them

plus if they take you out and then die themselves, know that they wasted their life to ram you

[balmy compass]

ramming is funny in the WZ-132-1

[alpine gulch]

WG should M1A1 as a tier ten collector tank

[violet timber]

No

[blissful hamlet]

Great tank, absolute worth the gold

[vagrant wind]

strv m/42 needs help now theres another line branching off of it 💀

[blissful hamlet]

No, there will be a t5 polish from what I've seen

[blissful cave]

Noooooo give Strv M42 a break there should’ve been a tier 5

[balmy niche]

guys, im just got the centurion 7/1 and the standard b, and i got 90k free xp, should i spend it on the centurion or the standart so i dont play it stock?

[remote kindle]

Standart is a good tank. I would say centurion

[balmy niche]

alrighty then, here goes my 90k free xp

[stuck sail]

I agreed this

[balmy niche]

that barely unlocked a gun and a turret

[sharp elm]

ok

[remote kindle]

It’s fine that’ what you want mostly

[sharp elm]

research a better turret and gun immediately
then the engine
tracks are last

[balmy niche]

there are still 2 guns that need to be unlocked on it

[sharp elm]

yeah i know, been there, hated the grind, free exp'd to the fv4202

[stuck sail]

Yeah, I used FV4202 and it's more useful than X from standart

[balmy niche]

it cant be worse than grinding the centurion 1 with the wrong gun

[sharp elm]

bahaha thats true, but panther 2 stock grind is probably just as bad or even worse

[remote kindle]

It can’t be worst then grind in leopard pta and ferdinand 😑💀

[balmy niche]

i did grind the panther 2 and i dont remember it being that bad

i feel like e 50 stock was much worse

[sharp elm]

its just as bad

[remote kindle]

Go grind in ferdinand stock and leo pta stock. Go endure pain.

[balmy niche]

:(

[sharp elm]

the panther 2 is already pain, its just an uptiered panther 1 fighting potential t9 tanks, barely any improvements

[balmy niche]

panther 1 was fun tho

[remote kindle]

Wanna talk about pta and ferdi?

[sharp elm]

not when you get to fight t9 in whats basically a t7 shoved up to t8

[balmy niche]

that must be the average expierence in wot

[violet timber]

ST-I:

[sharp elm]

wot players get to experience an object 252u bouncing jageroo AP rounds on its upper plate

[violet timber]

Panther 2 is solid