vehicles-discussion

[tacit girder]

which one should I research

[tight storm]

Lttb @tacit girder

[amber moth]

Ltg for the funny

[tight storm]

Lttb is faster better gun troll armor Its just perfect light

[plucky summit]

I do

[shy nebula]

Oops wrong channel.

[plucky summit]

Quick to delete that game against actual bots, were you Marilo?

[shy nebula]

Indeed

[plucky summit]

Well, I'd just not post the game at all, but you do you

[shy nebula]

Well you see, funny.

[plucky summit]

To be honest, it is.

You made seal clubbing look good

[shy nebula]

Heh

[amber moth]

Titan 54d or titan hnd? Planning to buy them if they got cheaper

[rigid thunder]

neither, both are bad

[plucky summit]

Titan H-Nd isn't bad, it just lacks a niche

The only honest problem with H-Nd is the accuracy

[cold ore]

The armor isn't very effective either imo, no problems fighting it.

[misty wing]

I got a titan 54d from a snow globe but haven't played it yet

[rigid thunder]

1951 is a nice tank, but the titan 54d is a piece of garbage

[rigid thunder]

Its really just an emil with much less armour, but in exchange gets better mobility and a much nicer gun. It's not op, but its fun to play imo

definitely not as competitive as the 54e2/252u. Keiler I can't speak for, but it's more fun to play than those 3

[misty wing]

I didn't like the Emil 1951. aim time felt a bit long, and the turret is unreliable even with gun depression

[barren axle]

Are kV-4 worth the time?

[arctic steppe]

what/how much credit coefficient does the scepter have?
surprised i got this much after a 25k dmg loss (big boss)

[lucid geode]

25k is a lot for tier 8

[lyric copper]

first problem is relying on armour

you don’t do that on the 1951

[earnest siren]

Totally worth the 8000 gold

[solid gate]

Should i grind the is-7 line or type 71?

[violet timber]

Type

[solid gate]

How is it better?

[violet timber]

Armor and mobility

[light dove]

Type ofv

[crystal ether]

What vehicle is best for grinding credits in the range of Tier 1-7

[plucky summit]

Chi-Nu Kai and Angry Connor are the beasts of credits

[crystal ether]

Chi-Nu Kai Tier 6, right?

[hollow belfry]

5

[crystal ether]

It only says Chi-Nu, does it get a new name after fully maximized?

[plucky summit]

It’s a premium tank occasionally from the store

[crystal ether]

Okay, maybe not directly Premium Tanks cause I have no way of buying them with my 190 Gold

[plucky summit]

Would have been helpful if you specified

[hollow belfry]

The Chi-Nu Kai was in store recently, you narrowly missed it

[crystal ether]

True, sorry about that. Also, damn, only narrowly as well.

[plucky summit]

Do you have any premiums tanks?

[hollow belfry]

To be fair, accumulating gold even for free isn’t hard

Just watch ads, do your personal and clan missions, take part in events and get the monthly gold in the BP.

[violet timber]

If you’re grinding credits with a tech tree tank, use the one your like the best or perform the best in

[crystal ether]

I only have the AC 4 Sentinel as my premium cause I sold my Grizzly like a damn idiot and grinded Credits for a good 1 year without prems

[hollow belfry]

Even then a number of events can rather easily get you a free premium, or for a very modest amount of gold if you need to buy the last tokens

[plucky summit]

You can buy Grizzly back with vehicle restoration

[crystal ether]

I did not know that.

[plucky summit]

Is there an option on the right of your tank list in your garage?

[crystal ether]

Yes, there's a bin on the right

That is the bin for deleting filter, sorry.

[hollow belfry]

If you sold it before update 9.2, then sent a ticket on the website to restore it

just make sure you have enough credits on your account to do so

[crystal ether]

Is 70k enough-

[hollow belfry]

check out the restoration cost table

else just take your AC 4 sentinel out for a few battles and it should do the trick income-wise

[crystal ether]

Yeah I didnt find the Grizzly, sure I'll try with AC 4, I may or may not report back to you later

[queen elm]

When they re-model the M60 they should change the turret to a later variant with the needle nose turret.

[cunning tundra]

That is a good tank tho

[cunning tundra]

It costs 400k credits something to restore

[misty wing]

Why would I want to play it over the AMX 50 100 then really

[lyric copper]

pen and the fact that you are not playing a fr*nch tank

[misty wing]

AMX has better standard pen

[blissful hamlet]

But the emil has a smaller hull, and 10° of gun depression

[thorny smelt]

Emil 1951 has 230 mm AP pen with vents and 240+ with Calibrated Shells

So the gun is comparable to AMX 50 100

[lyric copper]

however the AMX is still fr*nch

superior swede technology

[knotty perch]

Bat chat bourasque gud?

[violet timber]

Better gun dep leading to more reliable turret when hulldown, and more flexibility

[plucky summit]

Yes

[thorn folio]

Well the problem is, the 1951 drops quite a bit of armor compared to the Emil so you usually just get slapped with premmo even when using gun depression

[misty wing]

I prefer the AMX for its slightly better gun stats and top speed, but I'm really not a fan of any of the 310x3 tier 8 autoloaders to be frank

I've only played the 50 100, 1951, and Somua so far, but their long aim times and reload times just make them unfun imo

[static fern]

Did you do the terminator thing?

Tank

[wise ice]

vk4503 a good tank?

[halcyon lotus]

good but tiger 1 and numerous other tier 7 heavies are better

[thorn folio]

Ill never understand people calling the badger this OP monstrosity but call the V4 when the only time the badger is ever remotely a problem is when it's able to cover it's lower plate, while the V4 can just round around slapping people for 690 and needing to be fired at with premium ammo by everything when the armor is used properly on flat ground.

[misty wing]

the v4's cupola is pennable by standard ammo (is less troll and easier to hit than the type 71's), and the tank can't wiggle much lest you expose the weak cheeks

[thorn folio]

The tank also has considerably better general mobility, it actually has considerably better gun handling although less accuracy, and to add on to the better general mobility, it has 20km reverse speed, allowing it to be able to retreat back to a position at a fairly decent rate while still being able to show it's armor to the enemy.

Badger is just another braindead hull down tank that relies on being hull down to have any value other than being a brick of HP and dpm.

I just don't see how people jump on the bandwagon of "V4 bad" when the tank very clearly has it's merits and offers a playstyle that quite literally does not exist anywhere else except maybe in the form of the Type 71

[misty wing]

the V4 is mainly bad because the VK 72 does basically the same thing but with a turret and 1k more HP

but yeah the badger is overrated

[merry junco]

Let's speak and compare Magnus with Cyborg 😂

[thorn folio]

Didn't know the VK 72 only had a single small weakspot on the top of it and had a 320mm lower plate while also barreling around at 37km and having the best gun handling of tanks with similar alpha. Like, nothing about the V4 screams "I suck" except the accuracy, DPM, and heavy tank level pen. Those are literally the worst things about the tank and it's like people just assume that because it gets penned by premium ammo (the vast majority of heavily armored tanks) that it's just a bad tank. The more I play the tank the more it seems like the general playerbase has absolutely no idea how to play the tank lmao

[misty wing]

it's not the vulnerability to premium ammo that lets the armor profile down, it's the weak turret cheeks coupled with the cupola

oh and it also has the same camo as the maus

[merry junco]

What about M6 ?

Same damages
Worst damage by minute
Worst shielding

And they call this a premium tank ?

[thorn folio]

Camo rating just doesn't matter for the tank, you should never not be in the frontline in the tank. The cheeks being weak also should just not matter if you're playing the tank properly, it's not some slow lumbering behemoth that can't keep targets in front of it, it's a mobile assault TD that's designed to play frontline and hold a flank, which it does perfectly fine or else it wouldn't have a 56% winrate. It even has more players on average than the badger and still has a .4% high winrate.

A bad tank would not have even a slightly higher winrate than the "best t10 td" while also having more players.

[hollow belfry]

The thing is, the V4's main appeal is to have an ape-tier frontal armor that allows average/below average players to club their peers while sitting in the open and not be punished for it.

But as long as you meet someone with either half a braincell dedicated to aiming and/or high pen, the armor doesn't work all that well. 340 HEAT will still pen the lower plate, and the second you angle, the angled casemate sides become pennable, not to mention the cupola.

The V4's gun frankly sucks for anything other than the alpha. Alright dpm but terrible AP and HEAT pen, useless HE, awful accuracy. The mobility is decent at best.

The Badger on the other hand when hulldown is only pennable by TD or CS heavy prammo, has an actually good gun with 3800 dpm, twice the gun depression, more hp, better camo and is barely slower in exchange for much better traverse

The V4 might be performing better simply because the averate winrate is about 48%, and all these masses of average to below average player being able to club their peers without any other effort than pressing W and clicking on a mouse will give the tank high relative WR. While still a braindead tank since 9.1, the Badger requires a little more thought given it has an actual lower plate

[thorn folio]

You realize how massive a 20km reverse speed is compared to 12 right? You can peak around a corner and slap someone and back out with whats basically no risk to yourself. Also the 268v4 may have terrible accuracy but that doesn't really matter when you're close quarters 90% of the time, V4 also has the best gun handling out of the tier 10 TD's outside of "turret movement" dispersion and accuracy so despite having worse accuracy you generally have better on the move bloom, and also the only tanks that are going to reliably penning the V4 frontally will be heavies running calibrated and firing premmo or TD's firing premmo (same weakness as badger btw).
How can a tank, be simultaneously so strong that you can turn your brain off and slap the hell out of people without thinking, and be a bad tank, that literally does not make sense.

[misty wing]

what are you even comparing it to that has 12 reverse lmao
I'm sure the average reverse speed is much higher than that

[hollow belfry]

Even with 20kph reverse, backing a corner will still get you tracked out of existence

[thorn folio]

The badger.

[hollow belfry]

I dunno about the V4 being immune to anything other than TD and CS heavy prammo

[thorn folio]

Well if a V4 is running HP module, then sure it gets slapped by non CS heavy and medium premmo.

Which is why you run armor module and not the HP module.

[misty wing]

oh right, I already forgot the context

but the badger is far better than the 268/4 due to actually having a good TD-quality gun, and being strong hull down, which is the meta. It also fares better against being circled due to its outstanding traverse speed

[hollow belfry]

From my dozen of battles trying out the Mk6 which isn't known for its stellar pen and running rammer, I still didn't struggle to deal with V4s with EA on equal ground

[hollow belfry]

Also this. I'd drive a 268 or 113 TD over a v4 all day

And if I really want to slap people for high damage then the Jageroo in my garage exists for a reason

[misty wing]

I perform better in my normal 268 and 113 FT than the v4 as well

[thorn folio]

That's with the premium APCR.

[hollow belfry]

Nailing the cupola isn't hard

And if the gentleman driving it starts dancing for me then the casemate sides become pennable

[thorn folio]

Why would a V4 that has any idea as to what they're doing wiggle and not just rock themselves back and forth on rubble

or just rock back and forth in general

Also E-100 heat with EA.

A tank that isn't going to have the merriest of times hitting the cupola while the V4 is moving around.

[daring merlin]

You guys are just splitting hairs really. Both tanks have completely different playstyles. If playing anything with a hill its badger. Front line flat ground or town its V4. Getting caught in open ground? Good luck with either unless its an E4

[thorn folio]

My entire argument is on the basis of the fact that the V4 really is not a bad tank to any degree.

[hollow belfry]

It's not unplayable but has no real appeal for people other than average or below average players

[daring merlin]

NEither of them are "bad" any tank can be defeated given the right circumstances. But a lot of players are missing that link. A good player can chew apart any tank.

[thorn folio]

....and the braindead hulldown meta tanks are somehow more appealing for good players despite the fact that they are some of the most boring tanks in the game?
Like- none of the hull down tanks require any amount of brain usage aside from "sit on hill and point turret at enemy" or "sit behind rubble and point turret at enemy"

[daring merlin]

You have to look at the role of V4, its push past the "line" or hold the line. Its same role as the E3, and its not a bad tank for any skill level

[hollow belfry]

It's literally a 40%er clubbing machine with noob proof armor. The E3 is a slug without speed boost but has an actually good gun which one could expect from a class whose superior firepower is the very reason to exist

[daring merlin]

The E3 and V4 are not that far apart really

Myself i kinda like the E4 as its got a little flexibility, for sure it has many weak points but its fun.

[thorn folio]

So is it a bad tank, or is it a good tank?

Because my entire argument is that the V4 is not what the average blitz "enthusiast" in here says it is

[hollow belfry]

In this very case, the worse a player is, the better the V4 will be performing compared to their other tanks. But to a good player it kind of just has little going for it

[swift trout]

To be honest, the V4 isn't terrible from what I've played so far, (won it in a globe), for the armour, cmon, how often do you see people complaining about how trash teams are.
With this meta, people don't really care about understanding the game, they just wanna play for 'fun'
So you've got these somewhat skill lacking players trying to pen a pretty solid vehicle
Doesn't matter if the guns not amazing
The longer you survive in the battle
The more damage you can put out.
And believe me, with how bad some people are, it is not gonna be hard
As for gold spamming or TDs, be honest.
Newbies are so broke once they've bought a tier X that they don't run gold or equipment "because it's too expensive" -🤓
Being completely honest the V4 is kind of made to be a tier X clubber.
Sure the T1 heavy has a weak lower plate
But when your enemy hasn't heard of sniper mode
Well.
Enough said.

[thorn folio]

interesting you say that considering over 69 battles in the 260 i've had a 67% winrate and 3.1k average damage, yet the most i've been able to muster in a match is 3.7k, but in the 268 V4 I managed to have an 8.7k match
My career winrate is 68.8 and my 30 day tends to be about 70%. V4 is probably the most fun I've ever had playing the game not gonna lie.

I'd honestly love to see a 40%er play a V4 and then get absolutely obliterated because they just genuinely do not understand what they're doing.

[swift trout]

The V4 is surprisingly fun
I've never really struggled with its mobility as a HT main. If anything it's a gift to get above the 20s in speed for something with that amount of armour.
So what if it's pen isn't the best
Didn't we literally say the solution to that is Gold shells or CS?
And besides, the alpha is decent enough to render the gun Mediocre.
At least you haven't got a terrible gun. It's still somewhat capable.
Also fr that reactive armour provision.

[hollow belfry]

If you're having "fun" in it then good for you. I personally don't see the appeal or fun in yet another "trash gun, neandertal-tier noob proof armor" tank

[thorn folio]

Gun feels great to use despite it's accuracy just because of it having good soft stats

[hollow belfry]

It does have nice soft stats and AP alpha but that's about it

The rest of the gun stats besides decent dpm belong to a heavy more than a TD. Except this lacks a turret and almost a thousand hit points

[thorn folio]

Personally I don't see the appeal of hulldown tanks, they all play the same, with the main differences being their alpha or mobility. Otherwise you take them to the same exact position as you do all your other hulldown tanks, you play the same exact way.

[daring merlin]

The E100 is a strong TD, i see people camping and sniping at spawn lots lol. You guys all make some very interesting points. Bottom line you agree to disagree. Ive enjoyed this convo thanks

[swift trout]

E-100
Best TD

[royal charm]

Emil 1951 or Titan-54d worth it?

[daring merlin]

Depends on many factors. You gotta low budget? You want to collect every tank?

[royal charm]

Budget 7k

[daring merlin]

Well you can get the Emil-1 from tec tree for free, and its better then the 1951. That leaves the 54D and there are plenty of those around cheaper. Type 59 or T34-3 or T34-2 from the tec tree. Even the T54 prot cheaper. So its up to you really

[hollow belfry]

I’d probably get the Skoda, Prog or Centurion if you don’t already have them

[daring merlin]

Good choices. Myself the Dingo is good tank

[glossy trench]

RAAC is a great tank, not super over powered, not super weak, it just plays really smooth

[royal charm]

Have Prog and RAAC

[cold ore]

What's up with another M6 bp tank, cmon wg, you can do better, what about the vk36h, 40tp and ju nu ? Dissapointing really

[half coral]

anyone have any idea how high the Drac ace bar is rn

ive put in a lot of high 1.4k xp and i havent gotten an ace yet

[misty wing]

It has appeal to me for its looks tbh

[misty wing]

I think most people here consider it roughly average for a TD, we just trash talk it as a counter to the noobs complaining that it's OP and unpennable, which it absolutely isn't

[royal charm]

2.7k

[half coral]

what the hell, no way bruv

1.4k is first class

[chilly quartz]

Which tank should I get in the auction after the next price drop happens? I have 7k gold.

[cold ore]

Stg

[limpid ether]

Nah. Wait for STG to go down to 2k gold, literally cheap

[hallow robin]

Please add a feature of tanks which we want to buy, so when they are available to obtain, we would got a notification, including option for email.

I wont be playing actively (checking game/shop) but I still wish ti buy some vehicles when possible. (read: give you money, WG).

So new possible way to monetize game, when adding such feature. It would grag some players to game too, probably. A win-win situation.

Even some individual tanks offers would be possible then, knowing of who wants what.

[cold ore]

Was joking about stg btw, there are much better tanks on offer

[cold ore]

With an option to opt out of these notifications, for thuse who are active.. I don't want spam in my inbox.

[hybrid radish]

I have 10.015 golds. Should i get nice tank in auction or should i wait for more good tank?

[odd cove]

this is the last round of auctions.

[hybrid radish]

Yea i know i mean should i wait for more good tank (those tanks in will market)

[hollow belfry]

Depends on what you characteristcs are looking for, what playstyle you enjoy and so on

[hollow notch]

You won't find better deals than what were in the auction

[hollow belfry]

If you like soviet-style mediums, the 121B is a rather vanilla but still solid T10, and it’s dropping to 10k tomorrow. I’ll personally wait a little longer and see if I can buy one for 9k if possible

[tough sparrow]

Matchmaking is worse since “improvements”

[hollow belfry]

Not the correct place for your take nor there is any need to spam it everywhere

[hallow robin]

Of course. You would not opt-in in first place, if yoy dont want to.

It should be an option, not a obligation.

[hallow robin]

For sure there are many better tanks to obtain. I would wait and I will wait. Maybe T-44-85 I will just grab for 2k or 2.5k

[hollow belfry]

Doesn’t sound so appealing

[vestal belfry]

bro theres like 5-6 t34-85s/type 58s that got their battlepass variants yet no one complained

and then today a second battlepass m6 got released and everyone including you starts to instantly complain and whine about it just stop

idk about you but i bet that 90% of the people who complain on the m6 bp tank dont even have the premium pass

[fast compass]

How dare they make another reskin. No one saw that coming /s

[vestal belfry]

bruh you next?

theres like a lot of t-34 85/type 58 battlepass reskins yet no one complained

it wouldnt even matter, idk about you but you dont even have the bp at the first place

you can correct me if im wrong, there might be a chance you have a bp in surprise

[fast compass]

/s means sarcasm

[violet timber]

Omg, how dare you make an obvious joke 😡

[safe cedar]

The soft stats kinda suck ngl. It feels stupidly accurate when snapping shells for some reason.

[hybrid radish]

So whicj tank is best for everytjing? In auction?

[lone herald]

Buy stg only if you want to pen nothing

[limpid ether]

Same or similar pen as Progretto, T-44(and it's premiums), Pershing, T-34-3.

[lone herald]

Premium pen doesnt exist

[limpid ether]

Well I don't use prammo anyways.

[lone herald]

Jeah good luck Fighting Type 71's

[limpid ether]

No Type 71s in tier 8 anyways

[tall pendant]

should i get 121b or skoda t27 in the auction

[odd cove]

121b

[tranquil seal]

Bruh kv3 is dog shiii*

[cold ore]

Sheesh man I'm not whinging just giving my opinion. Chill

[cold ore]

Because it's another M6, I actually like the M6 btw and to well in it..

[crude shard]

FV4005 irl

[thorn folio]

That's because the soft stats are literally the second best, with the only tier 10 TD that has better soft stats being the WZ113, or maybe the E4, I know the E4 has good soft stats as well

[thorn folio]

Let me correct myself, out of the tanks of similar alpha, because that's what I compared last night so I excluded Ho-Ri and 263.
So that's my mistake

Obj 268's gun handling is essentially on par with V4's, with it being more suited for sitting still

[cold ore]

Apologies for coming to strong in the comments earlier. 😶

[safe cedar]

no worries, I agree it's gun is abnormally accurate handling wise but it's soft stats aren't amazing.

[late thistle]

So, anyone try the Cyborg? I'm close to getting it. Should I bother or is it an instasell?

Normally I sell all the BP tanks for the gold but since this one is Terminator themed I might keep it since I love the movies. Btw Terminator 1 > Terminator 2 🙂

Should be 500g for the tier 6 I think? And 50 or 100 for the one at the beginning

[plucky summit]

The standard price for tier 6s is 500 gold
100 for tier 4

Standard, mainly for ex-tech tree tanks 🙃

[dark schooner]

E50 is a super good tank

Anything I could do to improve my gameplay though?

[plucky summit]

E50 is not a super good tank, it's meh

[dark schooner]

I’m having a lot of fun with driving around a med that can bounce shots

[plucky summit]

Most meds can

[dark schooner]

Is the e50m at least a good tank?

[halcyon lotus]

i have it, you will love the e50m judging by how much you like it

[dark schooner]

Yeah, once you get off the stock gun it’s amazing

[plucky summit]

E 50 M is pretty silly rn

[dark schooner]

Oh yeah sidescraping low pen tanks on the flank

[tulip knot]

amazing

[royal charm]

Should I get Emil 1951 at 6k gold? Or Titan 54d

[daring merlin]

Nope

[royal charm]

Why not

[daring merlin]

Emil 1 is better and free. Titan 54D has tec tree equivalent tanks. Save your gold for a good tank

[obsidian mirage]

I like FV4601

Actually kpz 70 teacup version

[robust orchid]

Should I buy the Chieftain/T95 bundle?

[tight storm]

No cheftain isnt the best

When chinese lights will be added ?

[visual spear]

How much does it cost the Sankai Type 71, camo?

[robust orchid]

Just like every other Tier X camo, 2.5k gold

[tight storm]

?

And how to play t28 prot ?

[robust orchid]

Play it like you play an IS, it has a good gun but atrocious mobility and unreliable armor

[copper laurel]

Anyone liking the Cyborg?

[solid gate]

Does side scraping work with the japanese heavys line?

[misty wing]

It works with any tank with more than paper side armor, but I rarely recommend it because it's just too defensive and more of a stalling tactic really

[sage sundial]

Type 71 or 60 TP?!

[odd cove]

rear turreted tanks:

[cunning tundra]

Yoh guys, what autoreloader do you guys suggest? The mino, kran or progetto? I know all of their playstyles alr. The kran line seems kinda boring before the emil 1, I don't like the reserved shell on the mino and the progetto line is a derp HE magnet? But idk, what do you guys think?

[cold ore]

Type of course

[thorny smelt]

I'd say go for the Kranvagn

[odd cove]

spaghetto

[hollow belfry]

I’d go spaghetto aswell

[cunning tundra]

Mk

I'll just wait until tommorow lmao, idk yet.

[hollow belfry]

the T8-9 are excellent tanks and certainly worth keeping

While not super competitive nowadays I kinda enjoy the Progetto, it doesn’t feel so bad. Just take it easy and chill

[odd cove]

the standard b is underrated

[hollow belfry]

The gun + gun depression is just 👌

[cunning tundra]

Nvm maybe not...
I'll try the progetto like then, ty for the suggestions

[hollow belfry]

reaching a red tank’s rear or sides for those 1200 HESH clips also does bring great satisfaction

[odd cove]

kran is also nice

[jaunty slate]

Hey do any of you know how to play the panther? idk how to play it that well

[hollow belfry]

against T6-7 lights and mediums, hiding your lower plate should be enough to deflect most shots

else you have to be more careful when exposing. But with a little bit of angling (not too much since the sides are weak) you can make it decently troll. The tank isn’t extremely fast but it as a great gun with solid dpm, rather good accuracy and amazing pen

[jaunty slate]

Oh okay thank you

[thorn folio]

At no point should you go for Italian TD's until they either rebalance them or you really hate yourself

[jaunty slate]

yea the Italian TDs suck some of them are over powered

[odd cove]

only the smv cc

[jaunty slate]

and the tier 5 one

[lyric copper]

how is the tier 5 OP 💀

[wise moth]

The tier 8 is good and the rest aren’t worth your time

[violet timber]

The tier 6 and 8 are the best of the line

[thorn folio]

I wouldn't even say the tier 8 is OP, the dpm is comparable to most other TD's, the gun handling is mediocre, the pen is heavy tank levels, the mobility is god awful. It's only even being able to be considered OP because of it's armor and gun depression. The tier 7 funnily enough tier for tier has the best turret out of all of them even though it's gun depression is pretty bad, and it also tier for tier has the best auto-reloader

[odd cove]

no. only the t8. rest are mid

[jaunty slate]

okay so when im playing as a tier 5 i cant pin it for shi

[balmy compass]

mount the single-shot gun 💀

[odd cove]

that’s what you’re supposed to do.

[violet timber]

Nah the tier 6 is really good

[lyric copper]

110mm armour 💀

[jaunty slate]

okay i use my leopard

[wise moth]

Leopard struggles to pen tier 4’s

[thorn folio]

....what's this gotta do with what I said? The single shot gun literally has dpm comparable to other tier 8 TD's and has worse pen than they do with the exception of the AT-15's

[balmy compass]

the DPM makes it OP combined with the armor and gun dep
everyone uses the DPM gun anyway

[odd cove]

and hulls down

[violet timber]

It’s not just the dpm, it’s more so the ability to fully utilize the dpm without being punished

[thorn folio]

Yes and the armor literally only matters in a full hull down scenario with gun depression being used or else you just get slapped by other TD's or slapped by premium ammo. God forbid you angle in the slightest either

[wise moth]

That much DPM coupled with this kind of armor profile is what makes it so good. Sure it’s only “comparable” to other tier 8 TDs, but tier 8 TDs have a TON of DPM for the tier

[balmy compass]

yeah, hide the lower plate and nothing will penetrate you

[violet timber]

Things like the ISU have a great gun, but it can’t fully utilize that gun due to its horrible armor

[thorn folio]

Quite easy actually, sit behind a heavy tank and slap anything that fires at it.

[violet timber]

Then get focused and 3 shot because you have no armor

[thorn folio]

Why are you poking tanks that aren't reloading lol

[wise moth]

Because typically there’s more than one on a flank

[balmy compass]

going down this "senario" path won't prove much

[violet timber]

Why have to poke at all because you can just sit hulldown and not worry with the SMV

[tight storm]

How many exp I have to get to ace Emil 2 i get 1939 and it was first clase Its really getting anoying

[lyric copper]

you aren’t looking at base exp, you’re looking at exp after bonuses

around 1.2-1.4K is where to expect most tier 9s in terms of ace bars

[tight storm]

Oh

[thorn folio]

Until a Jgpanther 2 slaps you with it's premium ammo through your turret, or an ISU player evolves past the single cell stage, or until literally any competent player makes your life hell. Even with the DPM gun the tank relies on people sitting in front of you like a bunch of bots. Which I mean, that's the average blitz player anyways but we see how balancing around them works out.

[lyric copper]

fun fact: you don’t have to stay still in the SMV 64

you can move as well, you can shoot back

[violet timber]

I can still out dpm both of those, and pen both with standard.

The smv also has 1350 Hp, meaning it can take 3 120/122mm shots and still be alive

[balmy compass]

unlike some other tier VIII TDS 💀

[violet timber]

Such as the JP2 or ISU 💀

[balmy compass]

my beloved Kanonen

[lyric copper]

assuming they even pen LOL

[odd cove]

leo gun

[violet timber]

It’s such a ridiculous tank

[thorn folio]

I mean unless the JgPanther is hulldown then yeno, fun times ensue as you cant pen it even with your heat while its consistently slapping you right through your turret

[jaunty slate]

i have the ISU-122S and that can take that

[dapper violet]

The smv trades 1/3 it’s hp for 50% more dps as compared to most superheavies

[vestal belfry]

italian tds more lie italian psuedoheavies

[dapper violet]

Thing should be dragged into the heavy section

[balmy compass]

when the Italians figure out the German heavy doctrine

[vestal belfry]

can we just accept that the minatauro is just a prog 65 but overdosed from german stuff

[dapper violet]

More like a progetto 46

[violet timber]

It literally can’t, it gets 3 shot

[balmy compass]

122S has less HP then the 152

[dapper violet]

122s is pointless

[balmy compass]

historical reference 😎

[dapper violet]

Downtier it

[violet timber]

It’s already in tier 7

[balmy compass]

but tier VI is lame

[dapper violet]

Oh bruh I didn’t read

[gray wraith]

what app/website do you use to do this ?

[violet timber]

Armor inspector

[thorn folio]

Good luck actually hitting that with the god awful gun handling and the JPanther moving around by any amount, and of which the tank is fully capable of playing peakaboo and slapping your turret cheeks with apcr

[balmy compass]

well, so can the SMV

[violet timber]

If both tanks hit each other’s weak points, since they’ll both have to sit still, it will still take the JP2 4 shots to kill vs the 3 it takes the SMV

[lilac mica]

As some of you probably know, yesterday I won 100k gold in mystery crates (very lucky I know) I want to spend this gold wisely (not only on camos)
I was wondering what tanks you guys, recommend me to buy (I’m a heavy main but I like to play the other classes as well). There is the CDA in the auctions who seems interesting but I don’t know. There is some tanks I could buy if I have the chance and if it’s not too expensive lol such as the Bourrasque.

[jaunty slate]

na its a good tank does good damage

[thorn folio]

The gun handling on the SMV absolutely does not allow you to play peakaboo lol

[violet timber]

Also take into account that it takes TD prammo to even have a chance of penetrating the SMV while it’s hulldown

[balmy compass]

well, I don't think any of the tanks in the auction rn are worth buying unless you really wanted that specific tank, I would wait for good direct store offers

[dapper violet]

The smv-64 was balanced around the autoloader

[lilac mica]

I already bought 752 and Prog 46, i’m still at 100k and I haven’t spent yet
Yeah there is the store like I could get Badger but no
Vk 168 seems interesting because funni in Gravity but it’s not that good in encounter
I’m thinking about the T34 because it’s Mr. Hulldown but pretty sure there is tech tree tanks that does the same

[jaunty slate]

really its not?

[solid gate]

The mk cc 1 makes me want to be skinned and gutted like a fish more then actually playing it

[dapper violet]

Play with stock turret for lolz

[balmy compass]

yeah the VK 168/ VK 45 offer is alright but both tanks are meh, if any new offers pop up I would ask around and hear opinions see if that new tank is worth buying

[solid gate]

No thanks I'm already in agonizing pain playing it

[gray wraith]

is there a way to buy hybrid nation premium tanks ?

[dapper violet]

Stock turret has better armor~

[solid gate]

I thought it has a weak spot near the gun mantle

[lilac mica]

I already have the Vk 45 haven’t played it but yes you are right

[thorn folio]

And the tank also completely falls apart the moment anything somewhat mobile pushes it. The gun having the dpm that it does is the only reason the tank has any playability.

[violet timber]

121b, T-44-84, Skoda, RAAC, both Titans, and the Emil are all good tanks you can get

[violet timber]

Wow, almost like that’s all tanks with bad mobility. Crazy.

If an SMV is getting pushed on, either it’s out of position or the team has fallen apart behind it. Neither of these scenarios are the tanks fault.

[lilac mica]

I already have 121B, RAAC
I haven’t started the Kranvagn line so i’m not sure if getting the Emil 1951 is a good idea
T-44 at 2k, why not
Skoda, I could get it
The titans: I thought the heavy one was bad tbh, I know the med version is good but I don’t know for the heavy one

[balmy compass]

both titians are well balanced even with their gimmiks

[dapper violet]

The titan-54d’s reactive armor scares me - imagine if it had that all the time

[balmy compass]

it just makes a pike nose, drops the side skirts and move a couple armored plates to the front of the turret

[thorn folio]

No, actually, most heavy tanks don't fall apart because something semi-mobile goes after it, most actually have the added benefit of having workable armor all around the tank with even the super heavies at times being able to outright ignore lower tier mediums and lights.

The SMV has super heavy levels of mobility with the only "mobile" thing about it being it's top speed. It has God awful traverse rates on the tracks and turret with even the cherry on top being it can only rotate the turret 45 degrees either side.
It's broken, but it ain't OP.

[violet timber]

If anything gets to the side of any tank it will penetrate.

[balmy compass]

unless it's a IS-6 trying to flank 💀

[violet timber]

The turret at least helps it fare better than other TDs, namely the ISU and JP2

[thorn folio]

Both of the tier 8 VK's, 252U, KV-4, KV-5, E-75TS, Keiler, and all have side armor that kinda requires the flanking tank to be basically flat on to it or just not pen.

JP 2 is on a medium tank hull with medium tank traverse and medium tank mobility, if you get flanked like that then you just really aren't paying attention.

[violet timber]

If you’re saying both VKs where the Tiger 2? It has thicker sides than the 45. And then, all of these tanks are still able to be flanked quite easily, especially the JP2 considering it’s lack of flexibility with gun traverse. All tanks with bad mobility can easily be flanked, and TDs without turrets are even easier. But then, if these tanks are being pushed on by reasonably mobile tanks, then they either aren’t with the team or the team has fallen apart, neither of which is the tanka’s fault, meaning this is a moot point

[thorn folio]

Referring to the super heavy VK's, I forget the heavium one even exists most of the time tbh

And some tanks can manage to hold their ground enough to save a match. If there's mobile tanks left on the enemy team that aren't human equivalents of bots, you just arent going to be able to save that match in an SMV because you literally have super heavy traverse rates with medium tank side armor.

[dapper violet]

I saved a match with a vk 100 once
twice actually - free kolobanovs

[violet timber]

If you can’t save a match in an SMV, you aren’t going to get any closer to saving it in any other td…

[dapper violet]

well mobile light tds like su-130 have a chance in ambushes

and superheavy tds have a chance if they line up and attack you one on one

[violet timber]

If a 130 gets pushed it’s going to fare much worse than the smv

[thorn folio]

Well you see, there's this thing called mobility that the SMV completely lacks, and it doesn't even have side armor to help with that.

Also, a 130 is a lot more capable of moving out of unfavorable situations than an SMV is.

Mobility actually allows a tank to yeno... Be flexible and adapt to situations a lot better.
And having all around good armor allows you to endure unfavorable situations quite a bit longer as well.
The SMV has neither of these things.

[violet timber]

The smv doesn’t have good armor? What are you on about?

[thorn folio]

"all around armor" is a lot different than "only frontal armor with paper mache side armor"

[violet timber]

The sides are 80mm, not to far from the heavies of tier 8. They are perfectly fine for doing what needs to be done.

[thorn folio]

80mm with super heavy traverse rates lol

[violet timber]

Okay? Lowe has 84 on the side, Tiger 2 has 84 on the lower side

Neither of them have the turret the smv has, nor the gun

SMV is by far the best performing tech tree TD

[dapper violet]

smv is literally broken op - best TD because its the best at what TDs do
camping and hulldown on it are amazing

it isn't just one thing - its everything that the tank has that causes it to be op

[violet timber]

Highest relative wr of any tech tree td, highest actual wr of any tech tree td, highest average damage of any tech tree td

[thorn folio]

It's the best tank for farming the average blitztard of tier 8, yes.
But in any situation that isnt someone sitting in front of your hull down SMV, the tank is just another tier 8 TD.

[dapper violet]

Another tier 8 Heavy with less hp and higher dps

[tulip knot]

If you are camping in the smv you are actually a monkey. No offense though, kinda kidding

[thorn folio]

I mean DPM isn't extremely important in most engagements unless someone is just sitting in front of you or you're trying to DPM something down before it kills you, that and combined with the horrible soft stats of the gun and mediocre accuracy, you're going to have to fire a lot of premium ammo, thus bringing your dpm down to being on par with a Tiger 2. So not you really don't have that much higher effective dpm.

[karmic plover]

Is there any reason to not engage the Dynamic Armor on the Titan-54d immediately at the start of battle? Does it impact other attributes of the tank when engaged?

[thorn folio]

But I mean then again, average blitztards don't take key positions and can be farmed from the sides because of that.
@karmic plover the armor only lasts for about 20 seconds

[tulip knot]

It lasts 10 seconds so idk why you would activate it any time before direct conflict

[karmic plover]

Thx @tulip knot and @thorn folio for responding. I just checked the Consumables and saw it lasts for 17s.
I should have looked there first.

[dapper violet]

lasts temporarily
oh I'm late

[safe cedar]

Because it's temporaire

[tulip knot]

Oh yeah 17 I forgor💀

[distant nymph]

I think I can buy either an STG, AMX canon 105 or Titan HN from the next auction price drop. I don’t think I’ve seen/fought the amx and titan in battle so I’m kinda curious- which of these three is the most interesting to play? Or I better conserve my gold for some offer later?

[fast compass]

Cda is like a slightly more armored kannonen 105 with a worse gun. Kinda plays like a sniper at the start and a pseudo med later on in the match. And it's at a pretty good price for a tier 8 rn.

Although do you really need to buy a premium now? You can always save for something else later.

[wise moth]

Idk, CDA 105 for ~5k gold is kind of a steal. I love that tank

[safe cedar]

It's literally what the 30b vs Leopard 1 should be, similar situation tbh.

[karmic plover]

Yes, the armor moves

[tulip knot]

Honestly a mid tank

[misty wing]

Except the cda is better than the kanonen

[safe cedar]

Cda is definitely more Versatile, but I personally hold kanonen to be the superior vehicle due to its amazing gun.

[misty wing]

It only has 6% more DPM and worse pen, unlike the Leo-30b comparison in which the Leo is by far and away clear

[tulip knot]

It was kind of a joke

[misty wing]

By contrast, Leo 1 has 21% better dpm in addition to more pen, and having equal/slightly better p/w (the kanonen has worse p/w than the cda)

[tulip knot]

Discord does that

[half coral]

apparently not ace

who the hell set the bar so high, last i thought drac aces were 1.4k xp, these were all like 1.45-1.52

[misty wing]

Most popular tanks don't ace with 1.4k

[vestal belfry]

aside from 113 are there any more unpopular HT lines
just for fun

[median snow]

make wz113 rotate like the TD😅

[vestal belfry]

wz113gft already exists

they say its fun

[thorny smelt]

I was surprised when I got the that tank destroyer. Despite the 30+ kmph max speed, the traverse speed is another story.

[misty wing]

Vk72 line and FV215b line are relatively unpopular

[shadow fable]

guys is magnus good or cyborg good

[wide warren]

I didnt reveive a tank >: (

[scenic panther]

it will drop to 4k ig than it will be a very good deal unfortunately ive wz 120 so idk if i want it

[fast compass]

Little bit of variety, even in same type of tanks, can potentially improve your credit grinding experience

[odd cove]

at least 1

[balmy compass]

There is the Skoda T56 tier VIII heavy
And the Skoda T45 tier VII heavy

[old vapor]

there's also spark and the skoda t27

[balmy compass]

True

[odd cove]

anything skoda.

[old vapor]

they might add the ShPTK-TVP 100 or the entire vz line in the future

[odd cove]

that line is nice

[wide warren]

beatiful

[balmy compass]

*includes the legendary camo

[violet timber]

Well…

[balmy compass]

Wait for it to either appear in the shop, or in another event

[lyric copper]

battlepass tank

[balmy compass]

That was a tier VI battlepass vehicle, you’ll have to buy the pass, complete all the levels, then open the pass crate and hope to get enough certs to get the tank itself

[solid gate]

it used to be named Blaze

Why was it renamed?

[balmy compass]

Because there is already a tank called Blaze?

[lyric copper]

too similar to the TD

[solid gate]

WZ-135G FT?

[balmy compass]

No the tier VII WZ Blaze

[solid gate]

Yeah that’s the name. WZ-135G FT

[balmy compass]

I have never seen it being called that before, my bad

[lyric copper]

simply because everyone calls it the blaze

[balmy compass]

The certs in the pass crate rotate every month

[violet timber]

The certs cycle

[balmy compass]

I personally wouldn’t go for it, it’s really just a long grind then you gamble for it

[violet timber]

And there’s the tech tree version

[cold ore]

It's a surprisingly solid tank.

[balmy compass]

It works well until you face tier VIII, but that’s how it is for alot of downtiered tanks

ic

[cold ore]

T44, 85 starting to sell, don't think it'll make another drop, got one for my f2p, thanks to ads. Heard it's fun.

[quartz matrix]

hull has Minor cosmetic differences, and turret is different, because they couldn't take the t25 premium and put it as a tech tree tank 1 tier above without changes
edit: forgot to talk about gun, which autoloader, different from the german single shot gun

[trail maple]

can we all agree that the m6 is better than the cyborg

[plucky summit]

Or just play Magnus

[trail maple]

or just play kv2 😎

[plucky summit]

M6 and Magnus turn out to have cracked prammo pen

[trail maple]

but kv2 is a legendary tank

[trail maple]

what is the magnus again?

[plucky summit]

BP M6

[trail maple]

alright

people just buy cyborg bc they look cool

[trail maple]

tbh the only good tank from the pass is the enforcer, charles the gallant and the blasteroid

[plucky summit]

Eraser BP44 wasn't half bad, neither was Thunder

[trail maple]

i guess i wasnt playing when those tanks came out 😅

[plucky summit]

Thunder was the first BP tank, so yeah that makes sense

[odd cove]

thunder is a good tank

[trail maple]

can someone send me the stats, i want to see it

[odd cove]

my na account had it, gone now unfortunately
actually i could try to log in

[plucky summit]

Key features over KV-1S (which had a nice DPM buff since Thunder's release) was 10° gun depression, and more turret armor. Its mobility pays dearly

[trail maple]

that gun depression is insane

[plucky summit]

KV-1S is ultimately a better tank, it was only a contest before the DPM buff

[trail maple]

i heard there is actually a tank called kv 13

[hollow belfry]

There is, it used to be in the tech tree as a T7 medium before 5.5

[trail maple]

i heard there is also a tank called t 150

[plucky summit]

It was the predecessor for KV-3, before KV-2 replaced it instead of being an extra alternative

[trail maple]

i thought it led to the obj 260 line

[plucky summit]

There... is no Obj. 260 tech tree line?

[trail maple]

i thought when the t 150 had a new line that led to it

[plucky summit]

It was MS-1 > T-26 > T-46 > T-28 > KV-1 > T-150 > KV-3 >
KV-4 > ST-I > IS-4

[trail maple]

ms1??? t46??? t28 tier 4?????

[plucky summit]

MS-1 was removed from being a tier I, but came back as a tier 2 collector
T-46 was the tier 3 tech tree light tank, but is now a tier 3 collector light tank
T-28 was a tier 4 tech tree medium tank, but is now T-28 mod. 1940, a tier 4 collector medium tank

[trail maple]

i really wish they added all these tanks back, and the t3 tds

[plucky summit]

If you had them before update 5.5, you can still get them

[trail maple]

thats like 3 years ago

[plucky summit]

Yup, it is what it is

T82 is pretty funny, it can arc shells over obstacles without being shot directly, since the shell velocity is so low

[trail maple]

its actually an artilery in wot pc

[plucky summit]

Indeed, like T18

[trail maple]

imma search some gameplay for it

[plucky summit]

T82 was insane for seal clubbers since it could deal 400 or so damage per shot

[lilac mica]

Since when Indian PZ got reti cali ?

[solid gate]

If you can chose one tier8 medium prem out of these, which one do you take? Wz120, 274a, T34-3, Raumpanzer

[wise moth]

raumpanzer (although I'm not sure what you mean by wz-120; that's a tier 9 tech tree medium)

[lyric copper]

chad raumpanzer enjoyers:

[solid gate]

Wz122 sorry

Why the raumpanzer? Because of the 9Gun depression?

[wise moth]

Good enough armor, and good DPM. Mobility is a little weak, but still passable

[trail maple]

but shells hit nothing

[tight storm]

When Chinese lights will be in the game?!?!

[violet timber]

9.7

[tight storm]

When 9.7 is gonna appear ???

[solid gate]

I thought it was 9.6…

[violet timber]

afaik it's 9.7

[boreal shell]

when the leopard 1 got reticle calibaration a few updates ago. Given to the whole line (tier 7+)

[solid gate]

Whos rare

[tulip knot]

Bro I want your account

[solid gate]

I sell it

[kindred wren]

You know that you shouldn‘t say that here, right?

[misty wing]

Is there any valid reason why some tanks can turn in place while others can't, or does WG just decide at random

[balmy compass]

Wdym by “turn in place”

[violet timber]

I believe they are referring to zero turn able tanks

[balmy compass]

I still don’t understand

[violet timber]

At first, tanks turned in place by locking one side of tracks and moving the other. Then, I believe it was on the churchill but I may be wrong, they learned that they can make one side go forward whilethe other side goes backwards, aka turning with zero movement to the tank, or a zero turn

[balmy compass]

Oh, so when you don’t move forwards or backwards when you spin

[solid gate]

Thats something i use often

[hollow plover]

so just pressing a or d?

[solid gate]

Comes in handy in tight area maps exspcliy for hevy geez

[balmy compass]

Yeah I have noticed not all tanks are able to do that, some tanks still move a little bit forwards or backwards

[violet timber]

Some tanks do actually lock one side of the tracks which causes more movement than just turning in place

[violet timber]

To actually answer your question, I haven't tested it, but I assume it's based on which tanks historically had zero turn ability

[solid gate]

Do you guys think the bt-42 should be in the game i think it should

[balmy compass]

WG trying to include historical accuracy on some part for once? 👀

[violet timber]

I'm not sure, but that could be it 🤷‍♂️

[balmy compass]

Well tbh, the tank models are pretty good I will say, probably the most historically accurate part of the game, and it ends there

[violet timber]

zero turn can also be called neutral turn btw, for those interested

[misty wing]

@violet timber are you indomitable rat/Christmas rat/new year rat

I forget lmao

[violet timber]

I am

My name right now is just a meme and it'll probably become rat related at some point in the future

[balmy compass]

“188 ton Rat”
xd

[misty wing]

Iirc almost all turretless TDs can do it even if the chassis they're based on can't, which is why I thought WG might've based it on other factors or did it randomly

[misty wing]

Big cat rat

[violet timber]

It could just be a wg "we do what we want, deal with it" thing

[balmy compass]

Jagdpanzer 38t doing the incredibly fast spin

[kind flicker]

Turning while moving only 1 track

[misty wing]

Moving only 1 track is not turning in place

[lilac mica]

Oh yeah I forgot Leo 1 got it

[blissful hamlet]

Prob neutral direction
thing most russian mbts can't do

[earnest pine]

Are we getting free tiger p tank?

[odd cove]

no

[earnest pine]

@odd cove why its said a majestic tiger coming on next week according to #game-news

[odd cove]

"a new hide for the majestic Tiger" means a legendary camo for it, not the tank itself

[devout pawn]

@earnest pine there are many tiger tanks in game

[odd cove]

it's the Tiger (p)

[earnest pine]

Bruh. Any new events tomorrow or next week

[sleek apex]

And the Tiger I too apparently, according to aeson's leak.

[solid gate]

Guys is su100y worth buying and when will it be in store

[dapper violet]

be a better person, buy tog

[solid gate]

Why tog su is funnier it have 130 mm gun in tier 6

[dapper violet]

tog has the highest hp out of all tier 6 heavies and it has a pool (not really)

[cold ore]

They're both fun tanks, but I'd choose su, that gun is bezonkers.

[mild otter]

And kv-2 has 152..

[lilac mica]

It’s a KV-2, what do you expect

[untold patio]

What's the most fun tank to grind for money with

[balmy compass]

The tank you enjoy playing the most

[spice raptor]

isu 152 dpm gun or doom gun

[violet timber]

BL-10

[plucky summit]

DPM is great if you could reliably pen things with that bad accuracy

[spice raptor]

yeah

[plucky summit]

Heck, the base dispersion is equal to BL-10, and at least you get 9% more p/w by using it

All at the cost of 90mm of pen, 3° of normalization, 237mm HEAT as prammo, and a measly 400 alpha that other tanks possess

[solid gate]

Anyone knows when will su 100y hit shop

[thorn folio]

Man, the tier 9 ita TD feels a lot like the tier 7, which is a good thing.

Seeing mino stats makes me feel like it's going to somehow be the least enjoyable of the entire tech tree.

25% fire chance on the mino engine 💀

[vagrant jasper]

LOLL im doing the same tree, T7 is a menace and im loving it so im glad the T9 will be like that. How was the T8? Also yikes 25% fire chance

[thorn folio]

Well the tier 8 is painfully sluggish, but you have 3k dpm, pen is low, gun handling sucks, but hey, this is blitz we're playing, people overextend like its going to make them rich, so the downsides of the tank don't matter in most cases

[vagrant jasper]

haha fair, the T7 plays more like a heavy so I assume i'll have to play the T8 the same?

[thorn folio]

They all play that way, as long as you stay hulldown

[vagrant jasper]

👌

[thorn folio]

The tier 8 is the best one in the entire line, but because the single shot gun is the only competitive one, it also just doesn't play like any of the others.

[vagrant jasper]

ah how does it play diff?

[thorn folio]

You can play upfront and be considerably more aggressive than the others

[plucky summit]

1. You can ping, I don’t mind
2. Just messing around with friends, perhaps teaching people the game

[solid gate]

could make a new American line with artillery such as the M40...

[balmy compass]

Sorry sir, this is WoTb, we don’t do arty here

[solid gate]

ignore*

ignore too*

[balmy compass]

Enjoy sitting in your ignorance then

[solid gate]

It was a joke, but maybe...

[plucky summit]

It’ll never happen

[jade leaf]

Did you people talk about how Italian td are OP ore not?

[night pilot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHA5BTAGwSI

is3 should be able to block 128mm shell why is it so weak in game

[jade leaf]

@night pilot
Because it is old tank and wot isnt realistic.
Is3 is in same rank as is4 and is7.

[light dove]

All IS tanks with curved front armor - menacing unpenetration

[cold ore]

Old post, but I disagree, the Kryos is absolutely broken.

[wispy seal]

Nah, Kryos not broken.
Type 71 is broken tho.

[misty wing]

Charles is pretty bad imo

[tight storm]

Guys what are these ?

[old vapor]

tokens

[tight storm]

What can I buy for them ?

[cold ore]

The armour and dpm, it's busted man

[wispy seal]

The lower plate of the kryos can be penned sometimes.

[cold ore]

Of course play it hull down at a slight angle its a tough customer, agree about the type 71, glad I own one.

[old vapor]

idk
in recent events you can buy the m4a2 loza with 50 tokens

[pallid flame]

reasoning?

[pallid flame]

a while ago

[visual spear]

! ! ! How much does it cost camouflage for Type 71 - Sankai? ! ! !

[misty wing]

4 or 5k

[solid gate]

Im hopeing we get the bt-42 it looks like it be one awsome tank

[wispy seal]

Kryos has a peneble lower plate and is turretless.
Type 71 has a tiny lower plate and has great speed. Only frontal weakness is capola.

[peak light]

We got a similar derpy tank for free some years ago and it is unplayable right now.

[pseudo swift]

2550 iirc

Also, i think we should buff type 71s armor, dmp and mobility

[vestal belfry]

whats with type 71 mains always whining that their armor is weak despite type 71 already having a op armor layout

[solid gate]

I kinda hope they bring it back

[pseudo swift]

It was a joke bruh

[humble jungle]

I would love to see a tech tree of my country Argentina with Argentine national tanks, it's a dream that I have... Maybe a South American-Spanish tech tree?

Like there is even enough tanks to make a single medium Argentine tech tree... I would love to see it happen...

[valid gale]

There isn’t unfortunately

[humble jungle]

I wish for my pleads to be listened

[cold ore]

Well it's relative, they're op in their tiers. They're two totally different tanks.

[valid gale]

Kyros is just a jg pz 4 (it already has its own drawbacks )comparing it to type is wild

[cold ore]

Yeh the dpm is what makes the Kryos bonkers though

[misty wing]

Has kinda mediocre pen for a TD, no turret, engine damage issues from the front, etc

Edit: nvm on the pen, for some reason I thought it had 144 like the vk36

[sleek apex]

Sherman mixed with the T-34

[humble jungle]

Kind of

It has 80mm angled frontal armor tho

[hot fulcrum]

hi guys need ur opinion on the smv cc 64

[dapper violet]

broken
op
heavy with absurd dpm
crazy armor

[hot fulcrum]

which gun is the best out of 2? the regular or autoloader

[violet timber]

Regular

[odd cove]

yes regular single shot

[visual spear]

Tx man, apreciate

[safe cedar]

Your better off with mods

[humble jungle]

I am tempted to ping a WG staff here

[odd cove]

why

[pseudo swift]

how do i play the t-34-1 if im bottom tier, cant pen anything and the mobility is quite meh too

[stiff cedar]

some images and information from a wot blitz forum about what a technological branch would be like if they added Nahuel and its variants to DL 43 including a version for anime girls und panzer

http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/626306-arbol-tecnologico-hispano/

https://www.taringa.net/+apuntes_y_monografias/la-2da-guerra-sigue-el-hipotetico-nahuel-ii-en-1947_wvbnr

[tight storm]

Guys does I really need to get an ace to win by the way I am playing by tier 8 while in the game were tiers 10

[sinful epoch]

Superpershing worth or nah is the credit coefficient enough to outweigh the tank being meh

[solid wolf]

not worth it

[wise moth]

Not worth. The new credit system rewards earning mastery badges and battle medals very substantially, so it’s better to grind credits in tanks you do well in

[balmy compass]

only if you can preform outstandingly every time you need credits lol

[solid gate]

Is obj 244 worth it? Or should one save tokens for later?

[plucky summit]

It's free, sooooo

[jaunty furnace]

yeah is the obj 244 any good?

[odd cove]

meh

[tacit axle]

Best t10 for clan tournaments and stuff? I already have the is4 and enjoy its capabilities pretty well

[solid gate]

Type 71 🙂

[tight storm]

Unluckily true

Are there gonna be some other tank or only obj 244 ???

[night pilot]

https://youtu.be/TtRy1IaQ69I

average blitz player keep saying composit armor is too op for blitz but they always over estimate early composit armor

[wise moth]

Quite frankly, I don’t think that channel is anywhere near a reliable source for anything. I’m pretty sure I’ve seen a lot of inaccuracies between what their videos claim, and what actual primary source documentation says. I’d just watch those with a huge grain of salt and for entertainment purposes only

[night pilot]

well i do have primary sources on penatration information and armor spects, i even have abrams m829 apfsds if needed @wise moth

but last time i tried to use sources people cried and wg isnt a accurate game

but i think composite armor is ok ingame cuz its widely over estimated by blitz players to be op

[kind flicker]

i would not work

[violet timber]

Completely ignores how the a1a1 uses the L7A3, not A1

The main difference between the L7A1 (What we see in game) and the L7A3 (what the a1a1 uses) is the ammunition. The A3 gets access to a wider variety of more modern ammunition types.

[wise moth]

The other piece that makes composite armor a bad fit for Blitz is that it’s affected by geometry differently. It’s not like RHA in which it can be modeled simply by impact angle.

[violet timber]

This is also APFSDS (A kinetic penetrator) while composite armor is much more effective against HEAT (A chemical penetrator). So of course a more modern APFSDS round will sail through the armor of the hull of a tank with early composite. Try the same thing with a HEAT round and it'll be a different story.

[night pilot]

our leopard here uses L7A3 lol

[violet timber]

Leo 1 in game uses the A1

[night pilot]

@violet timber

[violet timber]

oh my, that sure is an A3

[night pilot]

also all leopards use L7a3 btw

[violet timber]

Well then the answer is that it's using earlier rounds, not the modern one we see in the video.

[night pilot]

before leopard got ap as its standard it uses a ammo called DM23

[violet timber]

The main issue is that composite armor would not only be thick enough to stop standard, but would also be thick enough to make any HEAT prammo useless

[night pilot]

it wont stop standard

[violet timber]

It will though

[night pilot]

early ones it wont stop standard

[violet timber]

It would have to be less thick than current standard shells penetration, and at that point prammo is worthless

[night pilot]

u dont have to fire heat at it

[violet timber]

It would just make a tanks entire armor scheme a joke

[night pilot]

i wish there is tier 11 lmao, u dont fire heat at composit armor lel

[violet timber]

Well there's no tier 11

[night pilot]

u can pen early composit with standard shell, also in game t95 has composits already

[violet timber]

Also I know that you don't fire HEAT at composite armor lol

[violet timber]

Again, that would just make the armor worthless

[night pilot]

we also dont have to actually model composit we can just model it as rha but with increased thickness. I dont believe minotoro uses RHA it's just impossibly thick and heavy

[violet timber]

Minotauro isn't a real thing, it's made up. And modeling it as RHA defeats the entire purpose

[untold patio]

Wich line Is better M6 YOH or E5

[tight storm]

I think E5 but the yoh is more fun

[balmy compass]

E5 if you want a solid hulldown heavyium, which people will keep on complaining the DPM sucks...
Yoh for a solid 3 shot clipper or a goofy 2 shot clipper

[tight storm]

2 shot is better

[balmy compass]

it's actually not

[violet timber]

3 shot is definitely more competetive

[gentle forge]

Idk where to put this.

1. I don't remember getting this tank
2. This doesn't show up under EU tanks but is classes as EU in the battle pass

[lilac mica]

1. WG gave AC 1 Sentinel for free as a gift
2. It’s a Australian tank pretty sure if you click on the UK flag it will show

[gentle forge]

Oh oki

Wait when?

[lilac mica]

December 19th

[gentle forge]

Oh

[grizzled fog]

Best equipment settings for minotauro?

[split falcon]

Do you think the anihilator deserves a nerf? I personally find it very difficult to fight it

[plucky summit]

It needs to have a more defined playstyle than gambling an uncontrollable autoloader

[split falcon]

I don't know, it's hard for me to fight him, with two charges he leaves me one hit away, unless I have a very heavy tank like the tiger P, it's too hard for me

Do you have any advice?

[plucky summit]

Don’t engage them when they’re hulldown unless you’re a tier 8 armored tank. Make sure to pick it apart first while it reloads

[split falcon]

Thank you, even when there are two, it is that those of your team are dying until one falls

[tepid lily]

This is factually incorrect. All 105mm rifled guns based of the Royal Ordinance L7 use the same dimensions for their one piece ammo. The difference between the L7A1 and the a3 is that the recoil mechanism and the buffer tube has been shortened in order to depress the gun to 9 degrees.

[violet timber]

The A3 can also fire a wider range of ammo

[tepid lily]

This isn’t true in the slightest. Both can fire the same ammo types unless the ammo is a programmable round that is incompatible with the tank’s fire control system. The a1 and a3 can fire all normal NATO standard ammunition.

[violet timber]

It is true. A changing of the recoil mechanism would let new rounds be loaded that wouldn’t fit with the previous recoup mechanism.

[plucky summit]

Gun is gun

[tepid lily]

You misunderstand. The recoil system has nothing to do with ammo pressure loads or anything of the sort. The A3 was designed with a different recoil operation in order to achieve 9 degrees of gun depression as specified by the Bundeswehr. They both fire the same ammo.

[long cargo]

I'm a newbie here and going for E-50 line . Right now I'm on tier V but not getting much damage done in battles . What strategy do we use for light tanks in battles ? Close combat , long distance sniping or ambush .

[balmy compass]

For the VK 16.02 specifically you gotta know the weakest parts of the enemy tanks, get close unload your clip then run away

[sleek apex]

Probably nerfing the front hull armor just abit so it wouldn't be trollish and even more nerfs on hull and turret traverse.

[rugged shale]

I am a little confused on why it would count as a EU tank in the BP, it’s and Australian tank that is under the United Kingdom 🇬🇧 in the garage

[split falcon]

I think they should lower the damage a little, in addition to the armor and for balance, it would increase the mobility and maybe the life a little

[sleek apex]

Nah, let it be slow as it is.

[lyric copper]

CS, GLD, RG

Improved fuel tank HP (Ferrari engine gets set on fire a lot), extra armour, toolbox

then optics, improved engine power, and premium consumables as you’re gonna be using speed boost consumable a lot

[split falcon]

in that case I think just raising 100 life would be fine

[sleek apex]

100 hp addition would barely do anything, the tank can wreck havoc when played correctly so there's no need for any buffs. And buffing a tank commonly regarded as "broken" would create an issue.

[split falcon]

That's true

[safe cedar]

I would weaken the turret collar personally.

[misty wing]

Imagine if they just gave it a 1.5 second intra clip instead of the helsing style

[misty wing]

They should introduce a mechanic where the minotauro spins if you go too fast

[tight storm]

Which light tank tier X is the best? I have sheridan and Its pretty good but not the best

[misty wing]

I think the sheridan is the best

maybe a hot take but light tanks will always be a troll class in blitz and not something that you aim to be competitive with, unless the tank in particular is extremely overpowered

[lyric copper]

Sheridan is classed by most better players as the best light

[tight storm]

I thougt t100-lt is a little bit better

[misty wing]

after 2 rounds of nerfs it's pretty meh

[lyric copper]

the singular good thing is the tracer shells

[limpid jolt]

Neato, I had a similar inquiry as I discovered this server as a whole!

[hybrid radish]

Should i get Chimera?

[cold ore]

If you need a great premium tier 8 and you enjoy mediums, excellent choice

[misty wing]

Chimera doesn't play like a typical medium, it's more like a turreted TD than anything

well that's not exactly right, but it's pretty unique

[cold ore]

Yeh I usually play more heavies, but I play Chimera so often as the gun is a blast, go to med at tier 8.

[royal charm]

Actually I gifted the tank to everyone so that they can enjoy it. You're welcome

[pallid flame]

its not a td what

[misty wing]

I find it to be too weakly armored to be a heavy, and too slow and low on DPM to be a med. What it does have is big alpha, so it fits into the more flexible TD category imo

It has higher alpha yet better gun handling than soviet heavies, at the cost of HP. If you compare it to a soviet heavy it's honestly a similar trade to what the E100 and E4 have in tier 10. Although it does have substantially better mobility, but that's just part of what makes it a bit OP and doesn't factor into its role at heart

[hybrid radish]

@misty wing @cold ore
Im playing heavies mostly, i have obj 252u, t54e2 and normally kv 4 , im going IS-4. I want get more premium op tanks tier 8-10. Also chimera gun is so nice for looks

[humble jungle]

Day 2 of Requesting Wargaming to add Argentine medium tanks tech tree

[safe cedar]

Dude WG will make up fake European tanks before adding tanks from peripheral regions.

[humble jungle]

Damn it

[misty wing]

@safe cedar what's the best company that makes french tanks (only ones in wot/blitz)

[safe cedar]

Debatable.

[safe cedar]

AMX-30 Is dam near universally regarded as useless trash.

[misty wing]

Lorraine and their tyres within tracks:

[hybrid radish]

Sheeesh

[safe cedar]

Warthunder is probably best for lower tiers. Wot blitz is easily best for mid-high tier

[misty wing]

What does WT have to do with it

[safe cedar]

Ohh I misread the question, they are all the same company the work is just contracted out to workshops.

[hybrid radish]

Threatening tripple (Löwe - Is-6 - T-34) vs Chimera -skoda t27 pack?

[misty wing]

Renault, AMX, Batignolles-Châtillon, Lorraine, all the same thing?

[safe cedar]

None of them actually make the parts they just assemble them.

[safe cedar]

More or less

[misty wing]

Do you have a least favorite country for tanks

[sleek apex]

Finland, they literally only have low tier tanks ingame.

Tech tree prob Chinese tree.

[safe cedar]

@misty wing
Probably british.
My next favorites are in this orider
Czech, Japanese, Chinese.
Honestly I like most tanks though.

[plucky summit]

Chimera + Skoda T27 are less dated

[hybrid radish]

Oh do u know Chimeta when will come to market again? Also if thats no come, should i get it tripple tank pack?

[cold ore]

Yeh it's a bargain, the t34 is solid hull down, good pen

They're heavies so if you enjoy that and need good tier 8 credit makers, really good deal

[hybrid radish]

Oh u said in my head dude

[cold ore]

But they are old and power crept, don't play too aggressive with the Lowe and t34.

[violet timber]

2 good tanks and 1 mediocre tank, not a bad deal

[hybrid radish]

:(

anyone know when op premium tier 8 tank will come to market?

[hollow belfry]

You missed a few great tanks in the auctions

But I wouldn’t say there are really many ‘overpowered’ T8s

With all due respects, you sound like one very entertaining person if you only want to buy/play braindead overpowered tanks

[cold ore]

How many battles do you have? If a newish player then I highly recommend the bundle, as each tank will teach you essential skills of the game and how a specific tank works.

T34 will teach you how to play hull down and the is6 to sidescrape, they all have decent armor so they'll forgive some mistakes.

You'll also make loads of credits in the process, to help you purchase tech tree tanks.

[hybrid radish]

1309 matchs and %47.90 win rate. Im maybe newbie i started 4.5 months ago

[plucky summit]

Lowe teaches a combination of both hulldown and sidescraping 😎

[plucky summit]

?

[odd cove]

no camo pro

[tardy delta]

I have a question about Panther 88 and Panther M10. What are the points of those tanks? In update 9.5 Panther 2 and Panther 1 got a nice buff for mobility. However mobility was actually the only thing which Panther 88 and Panther M10 were better than Panther 1 and 2. Now they are really pointless tanks. I hope they can be buffed too

[balmy compass]

Panther 8,8 has better gun handling, yeah, premium moment too ig
Panther M10 just shoots fast and looks historically accurate

[hollow belfry]

I like the Panther 8,8 but besides the traverse and slightly better gun handling it’s kinda pointless to be honest

[violet timber]

Panther/m10 has always been useless lol

[balmy compass]

For the collectors

[cold ore]

Yes, 🙂

[cold ore]

If you have the gold you should get the bundle dude, they're fun tanks.

At that price you won't get a better deal, 2500 gold for a tier 8 premium, it's insanely good.

Then go watch some blitz youtubers play these tanks, and learn how to hulldown and sidescrape.

[tardy delta]

I have no doubt that Panther 88 has a great gun, but just a great gun is still useless without armor and mobility. If Panther 88 can get the same front armor like Panther 2, it will be a okay tank

[cold ore]

I always meet bad players in this tank for some reason.

[tardy delta]

I wonder if Panther 88 can get higher engine power, a better mobility to 60kmh, better penetration around 215/255 and better alpha 240. It could also be great Tank

[hybrid radish]

Thanks for everything dude :) @cold ore i hope ur life being more good

[cold ore]

Hey thanks, you are kind, same to you. 🙂

[lyric copper]

so make it busted got it

[balmy compass]

Lets just revert the Panther II changes 🗿

[sleek apex]

Panther/M10 are mainly for history enthusiasts' collection.

[hollow belfry]

no

it’s one of the few actually decent T8 (tech tree) meds
It’s the others that need buffs

[errant path]

hey, is the T26E4 Predator worth buying? What is the reason ?

[balmy compass]

But they were completely unnecessary, it’s one of the best meds now and it’s pretty strong

[fast compass]

Not really worth buying

[hollow belfry]

Not worth. It’s a medium trying to be a heavy and failing rather miserably at both roles

[hollow belfry]

It’s in a good state for a medium, but as a T8 overall?

Being relatively strong in its class is tempered down by how dominant heavies are at T8 anyway

[errant path]

well, I just bought the tank bundles because of someone who is unicum player )):

[plucky summit]

A unicum at misinformation lol

[hollow belfry]

It’s super slow, the armor is noob proof at best and the gun is barely passable.

[errant path]

but that tank good at hulldown too

[plucky summit]

It's pretty mediocre at hulldown

I will admit that RNG is quite a factor in penetrating the turret

[lilac mica]

Thoughts on this ? I could only get Löwe if it’s worth at this price or buy the 7500 bundle

[plucky summit]

Only get Lowe, it's the least dated of them all, and it's a gun you can rely on

The triple deal is great, though

[hollow belfry]

It’s not good at hulldown because someone with half a neuron somewhere between their eye and brain will go for the turret cheeks or roof if its possible

[violet timber]

Mmmm those cheeks

[errant path]

yeah I see

[hollow belfry]

If anything, the tank should be renamed ‘’Super Perishing’’

[plucky summit]

It's solid, at best, but there are quite a few weakspots that show up once you get more penetration or less gun depression used

[errant path]

btw should I'm restore the wz 111 5A ? I'm selling it because I'm bored lmao, Or should I buy another premium tank that costs 7.5k gold?

[lilac mica]

Yeah the triple deal is very good but does T34 and IS-6 (Sidescraping beast) are good nowadays ? I rarely see T34 because there is other tanks that does the job
I’m super rich in gold so it’s not really a problem
@errant path Get it back, one of my favorites t10 and the tank is accurate

[hollow belfry]

Rebuy your 5a. It’s an amazing tank

[plucky summit]

T34 is a solid hulldown playstyle, but too slow for the chaos that happens in current tier 8 matches. Other tanks do take its job and do better

IS-6 is solid, if it weren't for the turret cheeks and sizeable cupolas

[errant path]

5A just like the Is 8 but with the better (?) armor

[plucky summit]

Yeah that's a fair comparison

[hollow belfry]

It’s more of a thinking man’s IS-7 imo

[plucky summit]

It really is just a general upgrade to the IS-8, other than armor, which is a pretty major upgrade, now that IS-8 is less mobility focused

[vestal belfry]

why t9 against t10

[errant path]

so it's better if I restore the tank? thanks for the information man

[plucky summit]

We're talking about an upgraded comparison, not a direct one

@errant path it's your choice, if you enjoy the tank

[vestal belfry]

Ah ok

[lilac mica]

Then I guess in this case I could just get Löwe (Which isn’t a problem) and I can keep my gold for something else instead

[errant path]

I'm indecisive AF bro

[plucky summit]

Lowe got a turret nerf, but a pretty big hull buff. I dislike the change, but it can be more comparable to Tiger II when it faces tier 7

[lilac mica]

I own Tiger II and i’m performing very well, so I think I can face such change

[plucky summit]

The general armor profile is no longer focused on being used against heavies, but rather to bully lower tiers and mediums

[safe cedar]

As a general rule if an American tank has the pre-fix "super" it ironically indicates à worse version of the original.

[lilac mica]

Interesting

[balmy compass]

Shame it’s still slow

[plucky summit]

Only so much you can do to support 92.1 tons of non German-superheavy steel

Either way, Lowe isn't made to relocate like a heavium, and that shouldn't be expected of it

[balmy compass]

But- but- but-
Keiler goes faster

Although I do understand Lowe is ment to hold positions

[plucky summit]

Lowe was actually originally meant to snipe, at least provide secondline support

[balmy compass]

Pretty ironic tbh, esp with people talking about “sniping” E 100’s

[plucky summit]

Back in the day with 120mm of armor, Lowe actually had a playstyle that wasn't "bully everyone with the super heavium or evade super heaviums"

[balmy compass]

Back when IS-6 could penetrate stuff :|

[hybrid radish]

First Löwe match :)

[cold ore]

Nice.. enjoy

[proven storm]

Nice !! I can enjoy before the nightmare

[sinful epoch]

Any LT-432 tips? I can get the initial spotting off but after that I find myself playing pretty passive waiting for sneaky shots or bad plays - which is super inconsistent and really team dependent imo

[proven storm]

Change position every time spot shoot..... just like a really good light tank

[proven storm]

And change front to help your teamate

[cold ore]

Lucky you, I don't have mine yet

[proven storm]

I used some of the pieces from the event to get the loza sherman

Because i don't got it 😭

[lyric copper]

used to be able to pen the upper plate with my Emil 1951, no cannot pen upper plate but hey, nice turret ring.

[misty wing]

Time to give it ret cal and better gun stats across the board

[plucky summit]

That's the last thing it needs x-x

[tulip knot]

Give it 0.288 dispersion and 2.0 sec aim time with drac accuracy stats

[cold ore]

I only had a few left, think I did almost the bare minimum to get Loza.

[heavy onyx]

Dream 🥹

[halcyon lotus]

typical light tank playstyle, it’s a fun tank imo but very underwhelming in comparison with other light tanks of the same tier

[hoary aurora]

does the badger have like super good front armor?

[violet timber]

Yes

[frail drift]

no

[violet timber]

Like all tanks except the Type

[signal sentinel]

Considering the Helsing is named after a dutch dude
And the Dracula is named after... well dracula, whos romanian.
Can we ever expect to have unique voice lines in dutch for Helsing and Romanian for Dracula.
At least for Dracula it shouldnt be too hard, just hire a gypsie for 15 lei and boom problem solved (im romanian so i can make that joke)

[tulip knot]

I think Dracula is more referring to Count Dracula (who might be Romanian), so if it got a custom voice line, it would be in his voice. As for helsing, idk

[signal sentinel]

yes.... count dracula is dracula......they are one and the same, both fictional

[tulip knot]

Hmm, cool. I didn’t really know the backstory and that he was romanian

[lyric copper]

do it yourself then

[royal charm]

Nah make Dracula speak Irish since it was written by an author who never visted the region; if theres gonna be Romanian voices it should be for a Romanian tank, assuming theres ever gonna be one in this game

Actually I changed my mind, Dracula and Helsing should speak archaic versions of the languages

[copper swan]

^

[royal charm]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sleep-pet-gif-5494608

[obsidian mirage]

Bro i want ask new free obj is worth it? I mean i think thats tank more like another IS2 tank

[hollow belfry]

…

free
’’worth?’’

It literally doesn’t cost anything. All you have to do is to complete daily missions as usual and the currency will come by itself. As for the tank, I’ve played a few battles in it, and it’s quite good. Rather nimble, quite solid armor and nice dpm

[obsidian mirage]

I cant open the game this morning until now

[signal sentinel]

If I could mod I would

[vestal belfry]

Hey
I need accurate heavy besides the e5 (grinding coming soon)
(Must have almost same playstyle as soviet HTs)

[violet timber]

The 113 is rather accurate

[timber raptor]

every one help me pls

my game cant open

help me plsss🙁

[violet timber]

Try verifying the files

[nocturne ore]

Did you try to reset

[neon sentinel]

The IS is a T6, right, just because the Cammo is a "POP-UP" cammo does it really need to cust 1,5, or am i missing something here?

[tight storm]

Is tier 7!!!

[solid gate]

Apetizer senior

[dark schooner]

Ok, the e50 is an absolute monster of a tank when it’s top tier in a match

[meager glade]

tog 2 is a monster of power and damage

[sleek apex]

Tier VII, and yes it costs 1.5k Golds

That's alot of sandbags added onto the tank... At the back. A commissar would have a field day shouting at the crews that did it.

Understandable

[misty wing]

steppe is good but IS is so ugly without PBR

[misty wing]

Thats exactly why it's good

[dark schooner]

Should I run extra armor or hitpoints on the lowe?

I pulled a mastery on game 2

[dark schooner]

Full hp btw, didn’t get hit by a single penetrating shot

[misty wing]

Crappy improvised armor is the best armor

[balmy compass]

Very similar to welding spare track parts to areas around the vehicle

[slate topaz]

It ain't stupid if it works

[violet timber]

Sandbags irl are actually pretty good against both kinetic and chemical penetrators, they’re just very heavy

[solid gate]

can anyone give me any tips to help improve tiger

[balmy compass]

Tiger I?
If so you can sidescrape and hulldown somewhat

[dark schooner]

Sidescrape, load prammo if you can’t see/pen a cupola

[fleet berry]

𝔖𝔢𝔱𝔥#4773 was muted

[misty wing]

WG add pls

[halcyon lotus]

french minotauro ☕

[balmy compass]

50B still has a lower plate you can penetrate, albeit it’s small

[halcyon lotus]

yea unlike the minotauro the hull is impenetrable for most tanks, 400mm on the front 💀

[balmy compass]

Ehh
If you have good aim you can hit the spot right below the gun and it pens with prammo

But yeah, I wouldn’t try to pen the Minos lower plate unless you are in a TDS, the turret is more easily prammo’d

[misty wing]

AMX 50b has trash overmatchable sides though

[misty wing]

I'll give my take on all of them rn

[odd cove]

poison camo looks harsh

[misty wing]

Golem: orange and that blue/green together go terribly on a tank, as do flame patterns tbh. Otherwise decent
Vigilant (?) no attachments/external modifications, uninspiring pattern
Cavalry: too basic, green isn't great
Poison: looks more electrifying than poisonous. Mediocre
Sidewinder: Good attachments, but the blue is not it
Esquire: Decent, but relies on the attachment purchased separately
Interceptor: Decent, but radar device is too large
Jager: pretty good, but they should've went bigger with the ERA

any camo that isn't a 3D style shouldn't be in the discussion for the best camo.

[odd cove]

the radar is meant as an add on for its tracer shells.

[misty wing]

Object 268/4 Chronos is one of the better ones imo

[supple hearth]

Golden Camo when?

[misty wing]

the 121b

[tulip knot]

imo, out of those the top 3 are t-100, sheridan, and kpz 50t camos and all the others are trash

[lyric copper]

see it’s funny as that actually used to be in WoT PC

[cold ore]

Skoda t 56 camo is vulgar.

[frail dagger]

My top 3 rated camos are
Dingo
AC iv sentinal (aint legendary but yknow)
Romkompf

[limpid ether]

Rotkopf.

Vk72 camo

[frail dagger]

Ah i misspelt

[midnight slate]

should I get the vertical stabilizer or the refined gun for my is8

[halcyon lotus]

refined

[midnight slate]

ok thanks

[slim bear]

In first try

[proven storm]

What is this little wheel ?

[dim dagger]

You forgot the sta 1 rin

[distant nymph]

Rin’s very outdated texture wise. Hope it gets a remaster with STA’s PBR rework

[dim dagger]

I agree

[humble jungle]

Day 3 asking for Argentina tech tree

[dim dagger]

you expect them to make a single tank tech tree

[humble jungle]

It's an example of one of the many Argentine tank projects

Also, WG is known for making fake ass tanks (Progetto 65 and Minotauro tech trees) I do not see the reason why my country (A nation with alot of national tanks) cannot enter

[obsidian mirage]

When conquror and m103 have child

[dim dagger]

if you don't mind can you post some more argentina tanks

I know almost nothing about them

[violet timber]

Good luck finding any more, that’s really the only domestic tank from Argentina during WW2

[humble jungle]

Sure thing

The Vickers M1934 o Modelo 1934 would make an amazing tier 1 ngl

[violet timber]

Alright, you’ve got a tier 1 and a tier 5, one of which isn’t even an Argentinian design

[humble jungle]

Although it is true, Argentina itself does not have enough tanks to make a fully fleshed out tech tree, I would prefer using other countries like Uruguay, Chile and Paraguay

The best example for a tier 2 would be the Paraguayan M3A1

[humble jungle]

Yeah cuz somehow the Chinese has the LT VZ 38 in their tech tree as a tier 2 makes complete sense

[violet timber]

The Chinese are known for their massive lend lease program

[dim dagger]

you said right

[humble jungle]

Talking about that, the tier 3 would be the ST VZ 39 as it is stated in Argentine-Czech documents of 1939 that Argentina wanted to buy that specific model for their army, a tank that it is not ingame

[violet timber]

The big issue I’m seeing here is a lack of anything above tier 5

[humble jungle]

And that somehow doesn't apply to us

[violet timber]

China bought tanks en mass, Argentina didn’t, they didn’t have a need to

[humble jungle]

Actually that makes stuff way easier because the tier 6 would be the Nahuel DL 43 Modelo 1948 or Nahuel Sosa model, which is an updated version of the Baisi

[violet timber]

Alright, what’s the tier 7?

[humble jungle]

The tier 7 would be the Sherman Repotenciado

[violet timber]

Tier8?

[dim dagger]

it actually makes more sense that they're like Canadian and Australian tanks rather than a tech tree

[humble jungle]

The tier 8 would be the Alvarez Condarco (A very early MBT prototype for an Argentine tank)

[violet timber]

That’s because, like the Canadians and Australians, there aren’t enough actual tanks that fit in the game to make an Argentinian tech tree

[violet timber]

I can see where this is going, you’re going to try and put the TAM in 9 and 10, aren’t you?

[humble jungle]

Actually the tier 8 could easily be the Patagon as well

[dim dagger]

Yeah

[humble jungle]

The TAM as a tier 10 would be a good idea as it is basically a Leopard 1 but faster but less armor, I do not see why not

Although I do not wish to use the TAM 2C cuz spaced armor and instead the tier 9 would be Patagon Escorpion otherwise known as SK-105-3

[dim dagger]

leopard 1 is already an unarmored tank, even if the armor is reduced it becomes an exact copy

[violet timber]

So now you’re putting non-Argentinian designs in high tier?

[humble jungle]

Another idea of mine is just unite all of South America into one tech tree because Brazil also has tanks that could be interesting to see ingame, loke the Tamoyo

[humble jungle]

Prototypes, concepts

[violet timber]

Other designs that Argentina bought

[humble jungle]

Bro, the Patagon is an indigenous design lmao

I said the SK-105 so you understand

Also you seem to be way too historical for a game that has fake tanks

[violet timber]

Well except for the fact that it’s basically an SK-105, an Austrian tank

[humble jungle]

The Patagon has an AMX-13 turret on the SK modified hull

[violet timber]

I’d love to have another tech tree, but we already have the “stolen low tiers” from China, and there aren’t enough domestic tanks to fill out the high tier

[humble jungle]

That's why I want a South America tech tree to fil the gaps as Brazil did have indigenous designs

Spain too with their Verdejas

[violet timber]

Spain = South America?

[humble jungle]

Of course not lol but would be a good addition

[violet timber]

Besides, Brazil has less designs than Argentina does

[humble jungle]

Not really, they have alot more

There are about 3 Tamoyo tanks, like 7 Osorio proyects with their respective prototypes and literally like 10 or 12 X-Type Tanks

[violet timber]

Most of their domestic designs were just other countries designs that they then modified

[humble jungle]

You clearly don't know anything about South America lol

[thick trout]

To have a new tech tree line you need a lot of things. You need coherence on the playstyle along the line, the line to bring something new to the game and be slightly unique, rough coherence in progression of performance of the tanks, reasonable upgrade paths for each tank, more lines that fit in so you don't just have a single line in a tech tree and so on
It's a lot more than "I like this country and they had a few tanks throughout periods", and WG knows what they are working on next.

[violet timber]

Generally, tanks that are from another country but are modified are premium, such as the M4 Rev or the M41D

[humble jungle]

Because it makes sense to go from a M43/75 to a damn fake auto-reloader tank with 400mm of frontal armor instead of tanks that existed, right?

Instead of going to the M149/43

[thick trout]

That's one low tier shift in gameplay which paves the way for very strong coherence in the high tiers, none of them are strict requirements but would all be pretty recommended to have

[violet timber]

Armored assault TDs are more coherent than going from a Sherman to what’s basically an AMX 13 105

[humble jungle]

They could easily make fake tanks then lol they do it with every country

[violet timber]

I’d love to see a South American tech tree, but the amount of domestic designs are low and some of the ones that are there are iffy at best

[safe cedar]

They didn't Design a single peice of it, it's practically a French tank, the gun and turret are completely French! Even the hull isn't indigenous, albeit same argument can be made for M4/FL-10.

In all seriousness, WG would rather add fake European and East Asian tanks than add a South American, African, or South/central Asian tree and tanks

[blissful hamlet]

Repotenciado is a cool name

[hoary aurora]

What’s the best European nation tank

[valid gale]

Who the hell would drive a leopard copy

[valid gale]

Btw the M41 90mm isn’t even German it does originate from the Brazilian modifications

Which is really weird of wg to do

[brave juniper]

I'm not sure but i like the Challenger ADU a lot, a nice MBT

[valid gale]

They’re based on a very thin shred of realism that most of the time fails and is very easy to see through the Chinese heavies are fake and so is the whole Italian branch half of the Chinese are completely made up (from copies go figure)

[brave juniper]

There's fake tech trees and there's some that are just the "what if" of blueprints that were only built as a wooden mock-up or that wasn't created irl

And then there's some tech trees with mostly real tanks filled with a few fake tanks or tech trees created from mixing parts of certain tanks from said country/other countries

[valid gale]

I’m talking about the context for the lines yes it makes sense for the Chinese to copy Soviet designs because they were partners even if the designs never existed the Italians had a brainstorming phase during the early 65 years which led to some developments (notably the OTOmatic system was made apparently they even worked on the MBTs loading system)

SA has very little to work off of since well it’s not a very tense region and the need for armor isn’t really there it’s why you see a lot of bizzare projects to update ancient vehicles to there needs

[brave juniper]

[valid gale]

And they did have the osorio but it was designed by vickers (same guys behind challenger) and they couldn’t afford to adopt it

[novel current]

ok im listing a tanks that need to be nerfed... this is getting out of hand.

• Annihilator (obviously)
• Smasher (obvious as well)
• Helsing
• Actually just redo the entirety of WG nation tanks, because they are just OP.

[balmy compass]

Helsing? Really?

[novel current]

i was just in a match with in in a tier 6, and it shredded over half my health in a single shot.

[plucky summit]

Were you a paper tank?

[balmy compass]

It has terrible accuracy, wacky armor and has to play close quarters to use it’s gun effectively
Also, being downtiered almost always sucks when fighting a upper tier tank

[plucky summit]

I guess IS is also OP, because it also does 400 alpha

[balmy compass]

Along with every other 122mm+ caliber gun 🗿

[lilac mica]

• Helsing doesn’t need a nerf
• Anni yes but it will never happens (See WoT PC when they nerfed the premium Type)
• Smasher debatable

[balmy compass]

Also O-47 is part of the WG tree and isn’t OP

[balmy compass]

Honestly, Smasher doesn’t need to reload so quickly, it’s around 16ish seconds with equipment and stuff

[lilac mica]

I thought it was faster 💀, not that bad I suppose

[balmy compass]

Is also stacks with the fact it has pretty decent turret armor against any meds/lights and it outrades everything except the SU-152

[violet timber]

It’s accuracy isn’t that bad

[balmy compass]

Well, I always assumed it sucked pretty badly because I have never seen any Helsing shoot someone beyond 200m

[violet timber]

For what’s effectively 400 alpha

[daring merlin]

Its also a target for every red tank. You get focused fired, Smasher that is

[lilac mica]

You’re right

[plucky summit]

It really depends on the after-shot bloom

[daring merlin]

Its first shell is ok, at distance that second shot isnt that good

[novel current]

Alright, Helsing might be off, but the Anni is still top of that list... Especially when you see people doing double Anni platoons and wiping enemy teams. It's just downright broken

[violet timber]

Helsing doesn’t really play at distance anyways, so it’s not that bad

[violet timber]

After shot is best in class, best in tier, and Even would be best in tier if it was tier 8

[daring merlin]

Yes its not to played at distance, but not all tanks are going to be close up

[violet timber]

The real limiting factor isn’t the accuracy, it’s the massive shell drop off after 200m. And by massive, I mean like 100% drop off iirc

[lilac mica]

And as I said, they won’t nerf it
Also, Anni got a bad pen and if you keep your distance from him, it will be harder to pen
But yes it can be very deadly because I did double Anni
Double TVP does the same but in T10

[balmy compass]

Imo if anni were to be nerfed, id say to nerf the hull armor, so that meds in tier VII would have no issue penetrating the upper plate

[lilac mica]

Thats a good one

[novel current]

yeah i know they wont nerf it. It's a premium tank so they are keeping it around so they can rack in money at the expense of fair gameplay

[plucky summit]

I’d make the cupola bigger, so Anni has the choice to protect it, but exposes it more in order to fire

[balmy compass]

Tbh I would also remove the enhanced speed boost from anni

[plucky summit]

I’d remove enhanced speed boost 😋

[balmy compass]

I still see people use both the enhanced boost and the normal boost as the same time when they play anni

[violet timber]

I’d remove enhanced speed boost, but give it the type’s Equipment options 😁

[lilac mica]

Ngl that enhanced boost really helps but yeah