vehicles-discussion

[thick trout]

Then you are just talking about something different to me lol

Overall flexibility in game is shown through good performance in scenarios. The E50 generally has to work through those scenarios which it can do adequately. The 30b has the opportunity to work around those scenarios much much better, and can also work through them but not as well.

[upper falcon]

Hellow

[misty wing]

working around scenarios instead of through them is the complete opposite of flexibility lmao

the definition of flexibility is the willingness to change or compromise. Working around scenarios is playing on your own terms only, which is refusing to compromise

[thick trout]

._. working through them is a second choice because you can't work around them. You can even call working around them a version of working through them lol

Playing the game on your terms also gets much much better results than playing on the reds terms, and if you don't need to compromise that's the better choice

[scarlet stump]

wz 113 is better than type 71?

[misty wing]

and falling back on that second choice is what flexibility revolves around, as I mentioned already

@scarlet stump no

[plucky summit]

50M better, bye

[boreal marlin]

Is Lansen C good tank

[solid gate]

Wz 111 5a is best tank

[misty wing]

Lansen C is meh, 5A is definitely not the best

[solid gate]

Most balanced

[boreal marlin]

Is SU 130 pm and Skorpion offer worth buying?

[solid gate]

No, just get the skorpion

[misty wing]

Playing the game on your terms also gets much much better results than playing on the reds terms, and if you don't need to compromise that's the better choice
this is why I made the suggestion that you can argue that flexibility is irrelevant, because you should always be trying to "play on your own terms"
But flexibility at its core is about how good your tank is when you aren't doing that

[safe cedar]

It is literally statistically the worst medium

[boreal marlin]

What is the best german tank to get from tree?

[solid gate]

@fierce inlet btw just to clarify for you two, WZ 121 is not a brawler. It has half decent turret armour with decent hull armour which can bounce when angled vs meds. It has a very great gun with the highest alpha for a med at 420, comparable to a heavy gum, with amazing DPM thats comparable to other meds. Its dispersion is very bad for a med but that doesn't matter when in a close up brawl. The thing that limits it is the on move dispersion, it's so incredibly bad, when going at a high speed it's probably similar or worse than the 183. This means you have to stop and aim if you want to have a chance of hitting anything. Even moving slightly gives you a massive aiming circle. Aiming time is super good so that's fine. But you can't brawl effectively because you're constantly stopping completely just to fire. So it's better at peeking hull down to out trade other meds, or even just out trading on flat ground. You can try to brawl but it's not a consistent thing to do, the enemy med can pen you easily while you stop and aim in, and they won't even have to stop wiggling.

[blissful hamlet]

The dispersion is pretty good, but not when moving, that bloom on the move is enormous

I might have messed up the things, but well,
0.339 (around 0.306 when using ref gun but well, vstabs is better) isn't that bad, and apart from the on move dispersion, and maybe the premium pen, the gun is wonderful

[solid gate]

Yep. And dispersion is not good at all either, it's similar to the progetto 65. Even heavies with 420 or less alpha often have better dispersion. It's around .345 iirc

[safe cedar]

I mean the solid dpm and the ability to short stop make up for that in a way.

[misty wing]

I used to like the 121 but I just can't with the stop and shoot playstyle anymore

[solid gate]

Hello

Hi everyone from Egypt

From Austria ! ✊️

[safe cedar]

What if they Buffed the turret traverse bloom, and maybe hull traverse bloom?

[solid gate]

Yeah I agree it's good. But just making sure no one thinks it's brawler . Cause looking at it on paper it seems like an excellent one. I think if it weren't for the on move dispersion it'd be way too good, it's the balancing factor.

[boreal marlin]

Hello from Croatia

[safe cedar]

I mean just buffing the turret turning factor, the moment you start moving forward it should bloom.

[misty wing]

@plucky summit you're right about these hello people lmao

[solid gate]

Yeah. Well maybe. But I think it's a strong tank while remaining unique and balanced. So best left alone probably. The gun is funny, it's both it's strength and its downfall depending on the battle

[lilac mica]

Because of this

[safe cedar]

True, 30b isn't even that bad, it just needs something to reduced the effect of powercreep.

[royal violet]

Hey I'm just a kv2 user

[solid gate]

Errrrrr how did this get onto 30B suddenly...you have an obsession LOL 🤣

[misty wing]

30b fetish

[solid gate]

nightmar

[safe cedar]

I do, severly. Lol. I want it Buffed bad.

[solid gate]

Lol, we know. But yeah could do with a buff I guess. But its kind of interesting and I think has a high skill ceiling, so worth playing. And it's in a hard spot, very easy to overbuff.

[plucky summit]

💀

[safe cedar]

Very true, I'm personally biased because I've spent alot of time in AMX30s

[misty wing]

Irl?

[plucky summit]

People act like nobody is voting for their Uprising smh

[solid gate]

Hii

[plucky summit]

Mods are gonna have a field day with all the new people walking past the rules

[solid gate]

Im love wotb

[misty wing]

Some of them act like bots ngl

[solid gate]

Yeah fair enough. The 30ier is actually very strong IMO. Id actually really really love to get my hands on the 30B, any tier ten med is a beautiful thing to me but especially a collector, credit earner, and a lovely high skill ceiling (not that I can use it 😬) tank like the 30B makes me really want one

[safe cedar]

Yeah? Where else.

[solid gate]

My name in wotb is sam_chodil plsss to poop plsss

[misty wing]

@mods

[lament bay]

💀

[solid gate]

I have fv 183 t57 heavy e50M fv4005 vk72,75 jg pz e100 grile15

[thick trout]

It's literally not, I've shown you this before

@misty wing Falling back on that second choice is a lack of flexibility, doing well in that second choice is being a good all round tank and making up for the lack of flexibility.

[solid gate]

I thought you meant in game lol

And um open the faraon chest and i have the pharaoh

[misty wing]

No because like I mentioned, flexibility is the ability to compromise. Falling back on the second choice is exactly what compromising is. Being good at playing on your terms isn't flexible, it's just being a good tank

[safe cedar]

No I'm just biased because of it irl.

[solid gate]

Being able to play on your terms instead of compromising to play on any terms could also be a way of describing flexibility

[solid gate]

Ah ok lol. That's pretty neat. Makes a bit of sense why it's such a theme though lol

[misty wing]

Being able to play on your terms is either being a strong tank or being a skilled player

[thick trout]

It's the ability to have options, the E50 can't have the options that the 30b can. Having options removed because of the tank makes the tank less flexible.

[safe cedar]

We have already established the gun is average to subpar, the armour is troll, but not reliable, and while fast it'd mobility isn't anything to write home about.

[misty wing]

Once again that's positional and map flexibility, not flexibility at the root level

[solid gate]

^mobility is generally considered one of the main factors of flexibility. That alone on the 30B should mean it's more flexible

[misty wing]

You guys are too focused on the game and not the bigger picture lol

[thick trout]

It's performance is statically average not the worst. We've been over all these points before.

[solid gate]

It's mobility is extremely good. And yes it's not easy to play, it's kind of a bit of everything, which should make it more flexible

[safe cedar]

It's stats are quite bad.

[thick trout]

In the bigger picture tanks aren't flexible at all because they are generally metal and metal doesn't bend easily...?

@safe cedar

[misty wing]

E50M definitely fits the "a bit of everything" bill much more than the 30b

[thick trout]

I've literally said that before, it just doesn't have the range of options that the 30b does so is less flexible

[safe cedar]

Alright let's look at other statistiques and see how it holds up, or how we compare the tanks, not playerbases stats.

[misty wing]

If you have to play on your terms to be good, you just aren't flexible. It doesn't matter how good the tank is at being able to play on its terms

[solid gate]

Kind of. But armour is not reliable. It either works or it doesn't. 30B has enough to possibly work, but mobility is more important when it comes to flexibility imo

[misty wing]

You're also falling into the map flexibility mindset

[solid gate]

You're saying here that compromising isn't flexibility. But one of the definitions for it is compromising lol

[misty wing]

I'm saying that it is compromising?

[thick trout]

Erm wut

Why would you look at stats that tell you how well the tank performs and then go "hmm but let's look at other things for no reason"??

@misty wing if you can make every situation your terms then you are flexible. Being bad in situations doesn't make you a more flexible tank because you can't do stuff in them lol

[solid gate]

Errr sorry that was dumb i misread lol

[safe cedar]

Mobility, accuracy, etc

[thick trout]

That all comes together to give the tank it's performance. Which is average for meds. So looking at individual aspects isn't useful because it performs average overall so you know they balance out

[safe cedar]

OK, so then prog and T22 must be amazing.

[misty wing]

No tank can always fight on its own terms, and sometimes you don't even want to (i.e when you're 7v1 and you just wanna push the last guy). Sure the 30b can find situations where it thrives relatively easily, but in the end it's only good in those situations

[solid gate]

I think both stats and player performance should be looked at, there's a subjective and an objective side. Player performance is less important IMO although it can be useful

[thick trout]

The 30b fights on its own terms much much more than the E50. That's what makes it more flexible.

@safe cedar Yes the T22 is one of the best meds and the prog is a very good med that's nice and easy to win in. Idk what you want me to say other than "congrats for reading the graph"

[misty wing]

I think the difference here is that your definition is by "time spent being in a good situation," mine is "amount of unique situations it's good in"

which again, admittedly, is a rather useless metric

[solid gate]

No, because number of players, what range they're in, how easy a tank is to play for your average player come into account. The Ferdinand performs better than the jpanther 2, jpanther 2 is in fact the worst performing tier eight TD. There's hardly even a position for saying Ferdinand is better. I'd go further and say jpanther 2 is one of the best tier eight TDs. So performance is only one factor when looking at a tank

[thick trout]

If you can create 80 scenarios that a tank is good in but they never come up then it's useless so wanting to look at the most common scenarios you see, aka what you said my definition is...

@solid gate Performance is by far the most important factor, just the ways of measuring it aren't always perfect. Then you use intelligence to work around them, but as a secondary part to the performance.

[misty wing]

you can have that interpretation if you want because it seems to be rather popular, but if we are looking at dictionary definitions I am straight up objectively correct here

[misty wing]

which again, admittedly, is a rather useless metric

it doesn't matter if those situations "never come up" as you said, flexibility still revolves around being able to adapt to them

[solid gate]

Interesting, I prefer to look objectively at a tank, then see what the performance is. They're both important, but performance is a very narrow way to judge a tank IMO

[thick trout]

I'll go with the 30b and E50 being inflexible because they can't be bent easily then and be objectively correct and utterly useless too ._.

And if you think that how often a tank can be useful is not a useful metric idk how to help you.

The 30b can change how it plays so most situations are in its favour. The E50 can, but not as well. Idk why you think impossible situations are a good thing to judge a tank on but now that's bordering insanity.

[misty wing]

No I meant MY definition is a useless metric lol
But I'm sticking to it because it's what's correct semantically

[thick trout]

The whole reason to have a word is for it to be useful...

[misty wing]

again, being able to always be in a favorable position is just being a good tank. It isn't being flexible
yeah we have words for what you're trying to describe

[solid gate]

https://tenor.com/view/paul-rudd-im-impressed-with-your-stick-to-it-nodding-impressed-gif-17011203

[tulip knot]

Get su, not skorp

[solid gate]

Normally I'd agree, I'm a ussr tech tree lover but I got the pack and the scorpion is working way better for me

[misty wing]

Flexibility is a useful word, it's just not as useful to have that characteristic in game

Like is it useful to have a trash tank? trash is a word...

[tulip knot]

Ok cool. I’ve played neither so you’re probably the better judge but I’ve heard and seen that su is better. Still anyones own choice

[thick trout]

It's a useful word when used to mean something useful, and in this situation you are using it to mean something useless. I'm using it to mean something that still fits with the definition and is useful...

[tulip knot]

T-62A is flexible imo

[misty wing]

it's still pretty useful. Tanks that are flexible under my definition are much better for newbie players, since they will often struggle to get into favorable situations

[thick trout]

It depends what you want, skorp gets the turret which is convenient for being more aggressive, su gets some very very strange armour and a better profile

[safe cedar]

I mean AMX 30b also has a pretty low ceiling damage wise compared to other mediums.

[solid gate]

T62 is annoying af

[misty wing]

yeah idk how anyone can say 30b has a higher ceiling when it has worst in class dpm for single shots
the fact that it has higher mobility and worse armor just lowers/raises (depending on the interpretation, again) the floor. DPM decides the ceiling.

[solid gate]

@thick trout su also is stupid maneuverable

[formal pewter]

Hm

[thick trout]

I mean if you want to take it to a different scenario then sure maybe it can be useful but in what we are talking about it isn't

And actually the 30b only lags behind for worse players, for better players it's pretty much on average.

[misty wing]

what even is "in what we are talking about lol"
I don't remember there being any specific context

[solid gate]

There really wasnt

[thick trout]

The 30b being able to be more flexible than the E50 because of its mobility

[misty wing]

I vaguely remember moonco posting a tier list, me saying the E50M should be in S tier, and then you saying "actually it's not that good because it's the least flexible"

I sorta wanna say the tvp is the least flexible tbh

[thick trout]

You called it the most flexible med then when I disagreed you told me to say what tanks were more flexible, and then disputed the 30b out of the three I gave

[safe cedar]

E-50m is the most versatile medium and without doubt much better than 30b.

30b gets trashed because it's bad, get over it. I love it and do well in it, but I still have to admit it's a bad tank.

[misty wing]

alright, and the E50M is easily the most flexible med based on the dictionary definition of the word so there you go
AMX 30b has map flexibility and is not that bad. I feel like you are directing some of the other guy's 30b slander at our entirely separate convo (?)

[solid gate]

You also admit that you're biased from real life things though...😂

[safe cedar]

Well in real life it was even worse though. Lol

[solid gate]

Lol, you should be grateful it's quite decent in game then I guess

[misty wing]

be grateful it's not as bad as it is on PC

PC AMX 30b has blitz level pen in a game where meds have 260-270 standard and 330 heat

and only 8 gun dep

[safe cedar]

It's ok in game, nothing to write home about. I can abuse the hell out if it, but it still isn't a particularly strong medium.

[thick trout]

It's literally statically not

@misty wing Maybe it's hard to judge who's said what when trying to have three conversations and cook at the same time which is entirely by own fault but hey lol

[misty wing]

wait but at least PC 30b has PBR
that automatically makes it better

[thick trout]

I can't advocate for 30b PBR because they might ruin my beloved colour saturation on the 30b lol

[solid gate]

Yeah. I think it's quite decent, but not the best. But Id really love one since its interesting and the sort of tank i love

[safe cedar]

Gun: low dpm, bad aimtime, average dispersion, above average handling, average alpha, average pen. Armour: mantle armour, virtually unarmoured elsewhere, automatic pen on upper plate. mobility: good top speed, good hp/t, average traverse, horrible camo for medium.

Biggest advantage 30b has is that it's cheap to run.

[thick trout]

Which all works out to give average performance, congrats you've made a balanced tank...?

[misty wing]

biggest advantage of the 30b for me is cool looks + Corsica is a sick name for the camo

[safe cedar]

Yes let's give a poorly armored, fast medium a garbage gun.

[thick trout]

If it works out as decent performance, it works

Corsica is definitely a cool name it's just a shame I don't like the look of it

[misty wing]

most of the camos that came before they started adding PBR ~ish are pretty underwhelming tbh

[safe cedar]

It shouldn't have horrible dpm, camo, and aimtime. Those should all be average then it would be balanced.

[thick trout]

But it is balanced, hence the balanced performance stats despite it being hard to play

[safe cedar]

It performs on the lower end of average, btw stats would also have you Believe leopard 1 is garbage, which it isn't. There is alot more to it than average wr.

Also to average would imply it is better than atleast some tier X mediums, which it isnt.

[thick trout]

The Leo is garbage for most players, and the tanks above average are a lot closer to average than the tanks below average, so it being on the lower end of average isn't an issue. And WR is the best way of measuring the performance of a tank, the idea of the game is to win

And again you are literally arguing with data here, either go find out a way that the data is incorrect or accept it

[misty wing]

just buff all meds tbh
reject type 71 meta

[thick trout]

You don't even have to nerd the type71 to fix the issue you just have to remove the two equipments, would be a very easy fix but hey WG is WG

[errant hound]

Tiger 1 seems to be my best tank atm. I'm saving for the Tiger 2 to se if I'm any good with that

[misty wing]

I would rather remove the equipments, buff the tank to what it was with the equipments, but then hard nerf the armor

like make the sides 30mm kinda nerf

[remote vector]

I have almost all of the Garman tree and there really good

[errant hound]

Cool. I find Germany pretty op when it comes to armour and movement. There usually a little ahead of other nations. But fire-power is lacking in some tanks. The tier 6 medeums and heavys are ok tho

[misty wing]

E75 Garm(an)

[safe cedar]

Your comparing minute differences in WR.

[errant hound]

I'm on my way to get that

[remote vector]

By question do you play by PC or on your phone

[errant hound]

Sadly I play on phone. I dint have a pc. I wish this game was at least controller suported

[remote vector]

Same

You in a clan

[errant hound]

A11 tank hunters

[golden solar]

Yeah i do have a computer but it would be nice on ps4 and xbox it something thov

[errant hound]

I just want controller support 😭

[remote vector]

Okay

My name is nicholaus153

[misty wing]

39% 💀

[remote vector]

Yeah I know I am a shiter

[solid gate]

Do you guys want a lil bit of training, I'm bad but looks like you need some basic tips

[remote vector]

Sure I have been watching YouTube for tips and tricks and I have been slowly getting better

[misty wing]

Only fatness is worth watching for actual tips
Unfortunately he only does long streams and not normal format videos

[remote vector]

Okay

[errant hound]

I'm winning so far

[remote vector]

Lol

[misty wing]

@remote vector what tier and what tanks do you normally play?

[solid gate]

That's good, as long as you do your best then stats don't matter too much at the end of the day. Btw HRF is a great player but he's not worth watching for you probably, hes more for advanced players that can pick up ways to play from him. But for actual basic advice I recommend watching bushka, he's absolutely fantastic, not active anymore but plenty of old videos. He helped me a ton, is the best for average players for basic stuff IMO

[errant hound]

I've only got a SP IC, Tiger1, Medjay, and a T34 Shielded in my garage atm

[misty wing]

Most of bushka's videos are super outdated though

I guess for basic understanding it's fine but not for his opinions on specific tanks

[errant hound]

I don't watch yt vids on strats. I've only seen one and that's all I use. That and my mid quality warthunder skills

[errant hound]

Good to see that you have the most German battles than other nations fellow panza enjoyer

[fierce zephyr]

I play on an iPad ideally better suited for playing every day. I used to play on my iPhone not sure if someone suggested playing on a tablet or I just tried it out!

[remote vector]

Gon tag

[remote vector]

Nice

[misty wing]

I don't really understand why you guys are posting those, if you want us to know what tanks you like you can just tell us

And if you want to show us your stats, blitzstars is far more detailed

[errant hound]

Weirmacht panza main

[remote vector]

For me I don't really have any favorite tanks I just play

[fierce zephyr]

A lot more fun on a iPad compared to a iPhone. Bigger screen

Same here

[errant hound]

I'm using a Samsung A12. It's pretty big fone. But iPhone probably runs better

[remote vector]

But if I had to pick one it would be tiger 131

[errant hound]

Tiger is gud

[remote vector]

Okay?

[fierce zephyr]

Going back to game talk to you later

[dapper violet]

wait... I won the Pharaoh lottery...

[fierce zephyr]

How

[dapper violet]

closed my eyes and prayed to god

[solid gate]

Hey there's no problem with you guys chatting and having fun but this is a specific channel meant for vehicles discussion 😅 you should go to general blitz chat for this (I mean the stats posting above etc.)

[fierce zephyr]

I have been trying

[dapper violet]

the question is how I use it
-How play Pharaoh - that's why I'm here

[fierce zephyr]

Ok going back to game talk to you later

[misty wing]

Play Frontline because you're a heavy
Peek to unload your clip
Hide to reload
Repeat

[dapper violet]

k thx will enjoy new tank

[daring merlin]

And avoid my Smasher lol

[solid gate]

Yeah sorry I was writing before you posted lol

Use a 25-35 angle relative to whatever you hide behind as well for best deflection

[dapper violet]

thanks ya'll!

[thick trout]

Minute for individuals, but across playerbases with 100k+ battles combined in each tank it's significant enough to look at and compare.

[safe cedar]

Look at the data it's skewed, lightly armored tanks performing poorly and heavily armored performing well

[thick trout]

Yes because that's an accurate representation of how people perform, armour makes tanks easier to play.

[violet timber]

Maybe it’s just that heavily armored tanks perform better because they tend to be better. Better armor let’s you make more mistakes, which in turn leads to better results

[fathom sable]

Why IS4 never get improve gaphic

[wise moth]

Armored tanks have a greater impact on games, since armored tanks can bully the enemy out of position. Paper tanks depend on someone else to tank hits for them so they can swing out and push

[misty wing]

tanks with armor dictate the pace of the game

[safe cedar]

Well then the only buff 30b needs, it needs to keep it's colour saturation when it gets pbr.

[misty wing]

I don't understand why the french tanks use like 20 different shades of blue tbh

[safe cedar]

Because WG power.

[thorny smelt]

French tanks are feeling blue

[grizzled kite]

Who has like a tiger 1 or 2?

[dire comet]

buff AMX 30 B

[errant hound]

Me. I got a Tiger 1

[grizzled kite]

It’s good

The damage needs to go higher though

[errant hound]

When I play a good Tiger game I'm like the fuggin doomslayer. Once I got 3 one taps, a double tap, and a tap and ram kill

[grizzled kite]

Ramming is Op on that tank

[errant hound]

Tru. I bullied a kV 3 once, I was half it's size 😂

It was heavier, I couldn't ram it. But I had more armour, bigger gun, faster reload, and looked better. I no longer fear chonky russian tanks

[lyric copper]

none of the tiger 1’s guns are bigger than the KV-3’s best guns

[errant hound]

Still higher penetration, faster reaload and more acuracy

[misty wing]

Also you don't really one tap in this game

[misty wing]

couple things

1. The Tiger I is actually 84% of the weight of the KV-3
2. it has a smaller gun
3. you're not exactly bullying someone if you're smaller and beating them through skill

[errant hound]

Well I hut them harder than they hit me. And they blew up and I didn't.

[misty wing]

the KV-3 has more alpha so he is hitting you harder. You might've hit him more times though, and dealt more damage as a result

[errant hound]

Ammo rack critical hits can one tap. But when I say one tap I mean I finished them off in 'one tap'

[errant hound]

He didn't get through the frontal armour

[misty wing]

then that just means your teammates were doing all the work, and you're overhyping your own play that only did 200 or less

[errant hound]

3 penetrations. Each 190 or more

[misty wing]

that doesn't change the fact that your teammates did the rest of the damage and that you're overhyping

[errant hound]

While a TD did get one shot in, I dealt most of the damage and led the offensive against the KV

Just let me have this victory

[misty wing]

if you dealt most of the damage, that means you shot them multiple times, which means you didn't "one tap" them

[thorny smelt]

Tiger I is more for its versatility as a versatile heavy tank. KV-3 is an assault heavy tank with 400 dmg and 175 mm AP pen and can pen the flat plates of Tiger I. This is just from my experience with KV-3.

[errant hound]

Ohh. That. Well I got the reaper badge. So idc bout how much damage the others did. I'm happy bout that, also got 5 kills that game. The KV domination play was a different game

[errant hound]

Well if you can angle the armour right then you can scare them back to cover

[misty wing]

you're not gonna be scaring any good players really no matter the tank

[errant hound]

I've tried the russian tree. Honestly I feel like Germany has more to offer that supports my playstyle. That being said, I do use the T34 shielded from time to time. It's a good medium

[errant hound]

If I can force a KV 3 to duck for cover as I'm advancing and we've both got a shell ready to fire. Then I'd call that a good push. 'Scaring' a tank back to cover is just pushing them further back, not actually intimidating them. Just making them back off

[misty wing]

that's called applying pressure

[errant hound]

And I call it scaring. It's all about prefered terminology.

By any chance, you don't happen to main the russian heavies by any chance. Cos that would explain the zealous defence of the KV 3

[misty wing]

I'm not defending the KV-3, I'm saying you're using incorrect terminology (one taps) and overhyping what was probably an average play

[thorny smelt]

Well I have the E 100 first via the VK 30.01 D and Panther instead of VK 36.01 H and Tiger I.

[misty wing]

and I main meds, no nation in particular

[errant hound]

I'm still in tier 7, I like Tiger 1, and I was proud of the fast multikill. They were all low health and no one was lookin to deal with em. So I finished off 3 tanks with one shell each, ended another with 2 shells, sent another shell into a 5th tank and rammed it to finish it off. I'd consider that to be a reasonable play. Considering my 51% victory rate

[thorny smelt]

That was before I became a HT and TD main, I prefer to play mediums in earlier times of playing this game.

[errant hound]

I tried TDs. Could never get a good spot to long shot the enemies. So I ended up dying while trying yo use a stug as a panza 4

[misty wing]

I consider this what you should've said from the beginning

[thorny smelt]

Same 😭 I used to have a massive skill issue with Hetzer before until I got the Death Toaster and quickly picked up my skill in playing casemate tank destroyers

[civic skiff]

121B buff and nerf time

[errant hound]

Death toaster!? 😂

[thorny smelt]

Pz. Sfl. IVc. The tier 5 tank destroyer before Nashorn pre-5.5. I got it from Galactic Riches event.

[lilac mica]

That thing got a huge elevation

[plucky summit]

It has rammer rig in mad games

[thorny smelt]

90 degrees in real life. 35 in-game

[lilac mica]

Bro what so it can destroy himself ?

[thorny smelt]

It is an anti-aircraft tank which the sides can be opened up and it is a platform and the gun can be traversed even further.

[errant hound]

Heh heh. Death toaster

I tried the russian Death fridge. I used to be good on my old profile. But I don't have the patience to level it up now

Ze flak launcher

[plucky summit]

With no wind, maybe

[lilac mica]

I didn’t know that
Ah yes, with no wind… I can clearly imagine this happening

[thorny smelt]

I like that its gun can pen through almost everything

The armor is paper though. Just 1 HE shot from KV-2.

[lilac mica]

And it goes keboom

[plucky summit]

Even AP has a chance of killing it
194/237mm pen btw

[lilac mica]

💀

[thorny smelt]

Just go to a corner and snipe, relocated because it is very mobile, and snipe again

[misty wing]

which tier 5 tank would fare the best in tier 10 if all its stats were doubled/halved depending on which is better

like dispersion halved, reload halved, alpha doubled, pen doubled, engine power doubled

I reckon the Pz V/IV would be quite strong. 176mm raw on the upper plate after doubling. 220 standard pen, 316 premium. 320 alpha with like a 3.4 second reload

[lyric oriole]

Angry Connor

Insane camo values, and DPM

Good overall mobility with probably a better speed both directions

[lilac mica]

And unique backwards speed

[lyric oriole]

What's weird now that I think about it

[misty wing]

double engine power and half terrain resistance is pretty insane how that I think about it

[lyric oriole]

SU-85I plays oddly similar to Obj. 263 just with weak armor

Poor movement accuracy values, good mobility and DPM

[honest temple]

hi

[misty wing]

the only problem with any of these would be HP in tier 10, most would have busted DPM and speed lol

[honest temple]

fair point

[lyric oriole]

You want a balanced one?

[honest temple]

wat

[lyric oriole]

T14

Literally just 113 but with more gun depression

[honest temple]

k

[violet timber]

Leopard would be funny

[honest temple]

maus gun is so weak

[violet timber]

I reckon the AT-2 would be a monster

[misty wing]

it's supposed to be

[lyric oriole]

It's a super heavy vehicle

[honest temple]

fv4005 much powerful then the maus

[violet timber]

Nah, 4005 has no armor, therefore Maus is more powerful

[honest temple]

really

the maus turret is so slow and the speed of the maus

is so slow

[violet timber]

At least it can block a shell!

[honest temple]

i ageery

[solid gate]

Are you joking? Id say 4005 is better than maus right now. Armour isn't everything

[misty wing]

they said more powerful, not better

[honest temple]

the maus is only weaknest is ramming a too many heavy tanks

[misty wing]

actually FV4005 has a huge ammo capacity so you coulda argue it has the "power" to do more damage 🤔

[honest temple]

yes sir

[solid gate]

I'd say better = more powerful. Unless their definition of more powerful is by armour or by ability to do damage or something.

[honest temple]

183 is stronger than the maus

[violet timber]

Comparing the 4005 and Maus is pointless. One is built to deal damage but not take it, the other is completely opposite.

[misty wing]

the only stat that is measured in power is horsepower, so therefore whichever tank has a stronger engine is more powerful

[honest temple]

thats correct

👍

[thorny smelt]

My thoughts exactly

[honest temple]

bruh

[solid gate]

You really love getting into semantics 🤣

[honest temple]

really

[misty wing]

what
also run rammer

[honest temple]

nope

[misty wing]

alright have worse dpm if you're into that

[honest temple]

[solid gate]

Extra pen won't really do anything for that tank in that tier...I suggest you run rammer

[errant hound]

Ooh Lil tonk

[honest temple]

im not run rammer

[solid gate]

Do what you like but CS is a bad option for that tank

[honest temple]

hey

[spice breach]

advice for tanks t VIII?

[honest temple]

k

made by X

[misty wing]

No it was made by you (I assume)

[honest temple]

yep 😕

[spice breach]

is that a grille or what?

[misty wing]

why not

[honest temple]

an fv400183

[analog robin]

his name is Gusstaf

and it has another models

[spice breach]

Tf

[misty wing]

okay yall are just typing random stuff at this point

[honest temple]

yep😕

[spice breach]

The real mix😶

[honest temple]

😭

oh missclick

[solid gate]

#screenshots

[sour river]

Guys should I run rammer or calibration on is 3

[misty wing]

rammer

[solid gate]

^

[plucky summit]

Runs reticle calibration on IS-3* 😳

[copper swan]

does IS 3 have reticle calibration at the first place

[plucky summit]

No

[copper swan]

that's the point

[plucky summit]

Apologies for my humor

[pallid flame]

oh was I supposed to laugh

[lilac mica]

Lol

[solid gate]

Uhh what wanna delete that mate

[misty wing]

oops I didn't see the tag lmao

[solid gate]

Ah. Not sure how it got there

[misty wing]

there. I meant to post it in highlight of how this guy is implying the 252U's armor is too strong

while ignoring that giant lower plate, the cupolas, and also that 540mm isn't even that much

[solid gate]

I don’t even understand how or what the tag is/got there lol. But yes that’s insane

[misty wing]

I think it's called a "flair", it's basically the subject that you choose when you make a post

[plucky summit]

People pretending they've never seen a strong upper plate before seeing 252U:

[valid gale]

That one trend where people find the most absurd value and it’s like a front facing angle skid shot

[plucky summit]

I have the highest number afaik

[misty wing]

probably the same people who think of the action x first when a "DPM tank" is brought up

meanwhile ISU has the 4th best DPM in tier 8 (3rd if you count the normal and snowstorm jag as the same tank), and basically no one realizes it lol

[tulip knot]

jadtiger 8.8 is good. the gun is just so good

[vague scroll]

53 tp is good but it needs a reload boost for tht stok gun

I think all the poulishh tnok should get reload boist

[misty wing]

I dnot thnik soi

[solid gate]

Reload boost? They need adrenaline? Yeah I run that. Gun rammer? Yes I also run that. A reload buff? No way, they’re all very decent tanks, 53 TP is one of the best tier eights. It’s DPM is comparable to Russian heavies, but it’s alpha is better and it’s accuracy is far superior in all ways

[misty wing]

I think based on what they said in #tank-balance-discussion , they want it buffed

[solid gate]

Ah yep, kind of odd

[daring merlin]

Type 57 bruh

[plucky summit]

2nd if you do the funny painful gun

[daring merlin]

Type 57 is mix of 53TP mixed with IS tank

[storm haven]

Titan 54d - worth it?

Does screen armor ability help what would otherwise be meh or not?

[night ridge]

M5 Stuart And M5A1 Stuart look similar

[slender bramble]

they are te same

just copy pasted by the chinese

[night ridge]

And named the Product Made In China

[errant hound]

Les gooo just got the Tiger 2

[dapper yacht]

credits

[normal lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-all-nice-gif-22927671

@errant hound congrats bro

[thorny smelt]

Not enough FXP to get the top turret and gun.

[normal lodge]

Anyone got tier 10s

[errant hound]

I've been grinding for 2 days to get that. And I wasted all my FXP on trying out the Stug 3

[opaque flicker]

I have the T110E4

[normal lodge]

@opaque flicker how many tier 10s u got bro

[thorny smelt]

You cannot rely on the stock (Porsche) turret and you need a better gun

[opaque flicker]

One at the moment, but with two more on the way

[normal lodge]

When i got research the tiger 2 i research the top turret and then i bought the tank

@opaque flicker i got 3

[opaque flicker]

I'm planning on getting the IS-4 and E-100, then I'll start grinding for Sheridan

[errant hound]

Ik. I'll just use the stock one to get the XP for it. It's gonna be a long day

[opaque flicker]

Why can't the StuH be in the game?

[obsidian mirage]

Churchill defender , ihope the armor like
Tiger I "tutorial"

[oak pollen]

It's Churchill W not Churchill Defender isn't?

It don't even have autoloader gun

[empty helm]

Good
Now suffer

[errant hound]

Ok

[lone herald]

Type 71
E100
Jg Pz E100
Foch 155

[violet timber]

It is, the Nightmare

[opaque flicker]

Why can't it be tech tree?

[violet timber]

I don’t know

[odd cove]

i might have 47

[atomic tartan]

Ad plz Poland tree🥸

[radiant vale]

do you mean, the mt or td

[final vapor]

How much fxp at minimum would be needed to get to the Tier 8 Italian tank destroyer and getting all it's modules? I have 160k fxp rn

[distant sierra]

if i remember well it's something like 880k without discounts

[odd cove]

890k*

[distant sierra]

@final vapor there you have your answer 👌

[odd cove]

i wrote it down somewhere, i’ll find it

[odd cove]

471k (you skip all of the modules for the previous tiers)
609k (every module in the previous tiers)

[final vapor]

Sheeez, that's alot. Good thing I have 50% and 25% discounts

[odd cove]

nice

i didn’t label anything when i did the math, so it may be more or less

[final vapor]

Ah it's fine, gives me a good idea how much I need to stock up

[lyric copper]

no credits 💀
no free exp 💀
4 tanks in garage 💀
emoji pfp 💀

[solid gate]

311 tanks, 46 tier X, 86 prems.

[trail laurel]

Is the IS2-SH good

[violet timber]

No

[solid gate]

Name tells Is too shit..

[trail laurel]

Ok

[golden blade]

What if Jagd Maus

[clever hare]

Is this worth of buying

[lyric copper]

yes, the bundle itself is a good deal

the tank is mostly a meme

[trail pond]

Su-100Y is for noobs

[distant sierra]

and troll cause it can be fun (sometimes)

[solid gate]

Hard gun but sometimes frustrating.

[clever hare]

Understandable

[clever hare]

I was thinking more that bundle not intrested much in that tank itself

[solid gate]

But tank has historically been existing and there is some wiki article about it .

[lyric copper]

for the garage slot and 14d of prem time, its not bad, but you can get 30d for 2k gold

[solid gate]

Unfortunately those 5x boosters are often for tank type sold only. Not general 5x

[clever hare]

Ye i dont have any premium tanks so i dont know what is good and what is not

[pale quarry]

I just bought the m6e2a1 exp, was it worth it

It's my only tier 8 premium

[stone tundra]

Idk

[clever hare]

Apparently same case in this bundle

[solid gate]

Black friday is goming only few weeks and good barqains often by then. IS-5 from X level clan storage is great thing but account needs to have 4500 games behind to get it .

[thorny smelt]

I suggest save up more for a decent tier 8

[clever hare]

Ye

[high flame]

I can get either the Type 57 or the 252u, ignoring price because they are basically the same. Which is generally better?

[lyric copper]

Type 57 is more applicable in today's hulldown meta

[balmy compass]

Type 57 has reticle cali so it’s more accurate
Plus it looks cooler then the 252u

[high flame]

Ive heard a lot of conflicting opinions, but from what I can tell the type 57 has gun depression, looks, and accuracy over the 252u, but the 252u has the goofy side skirt black hole, and a smaller turret weak spot

[balmy compass]

Yes the 252 does have the IS type black hole sides
It also has cupolas that are fairly easy to hit when you aim at them, especially at closer ranges

[high flame]

so go for the type 57 bundle? or the 252u bundle for 17

[lyric copper]

type is more applicable

[balmy compass]

I would think the Type is more fun then the 252u
Plus the Types lower plate is alot stronger then the massive 252u plate, I would personally choose Type 57

[high flame]

also how are the mystery certificates

like is it just gonna spit out tier 5 and 6 collectors mostly

[misty wing]

No they're actually pretty good

You're probably gonna get a tier 8 on average

[solid gate]

Well actually type has an atrocious lower plate comparable to the 252u. It's just easier to hide with depression

[high flame]

hmm, so is great choice not an awful bundle

[mossy hatch]

will medjay get nerf after the next update?

[lilac mica]

I doubt

[high flame]

💀 Guess Im not buying anything. I get an error when I try to buy anything lmao

[misty wing]

It's come for better prices before iirc

[blissful hamlet]

• Type is a bit faster

[misty wing]

imagine a world with 2 WT lines
Tier 7 Steyr WT leads to either the Rhm B WT -> WT Pz IV -> Grille 15
or to the WT auf Tiger (P) -> WT auf Tiger -> WT E100

and then the St Emil leads to a whole line of tanks with insane gun depression

[onyx raven]

Oh god

[wise moth]

I’m a simple man. I see WT E-100, I support proposal

Honestly, the idea of a line of slow, paper rear turreted TDs with autoloaders sounds super cool

[misty wing]

WT Tiger (P) would actually be super easy to make and come up with a fake history for

Like just make some big, paper turret and put it in place of the Ferdinand's casemate, and claim that they planned to convert some of the Tiger P chassis to it

[wise moth]

I’m imagining a Tiger P hull with like a WT Pz IV 12,8cm turret, with an 8,8cm gun mounted and 5x220

[misty wing]

inb4 the E50's loooooong 8,8cm

[wise moth]

Honestly, that would work really well IMO

And then at tier IX, use the Tiger II hull and slap like the WT Pz IV 15cm turret with an auto loading 10,5cm and like 5x310 or 4x310 or something

Or maybe 4x350

[wise moth]

The history is easy.

“Concept for self propelled anti-aircraft vehicle on the chassis of the Tiger P. No prototype was ever developed”

The WT E-100 I’m pretty sure is based on the fact that they proposed making an AA platform on the E-100 chassis (sort of like how a TD variant was proposed, which WG extrapolated into the Jgpz)

[misty wing]

I meant that it would be even easier to see as being a possibility because there were like 90 Tiger P hulls left unused (eventually converted into the Ferdinand)
It's not hard to believe that they could've explored other options for those hulls, one of those being the WT Tiger (P)

[misty wing]

@wise moth

[wise moth]

Yasssss

God, this line needs to be a thing in Blitz.

🥜

[distant nymph]

so pretty much "gun on tracks" type of deal with huge damage potential and pretty much nothing else? Sign me up

[wise moth]

Yessss.
No armor. No mobility. No camo. Just turret and a really scary gun.

[boreal marlin]

Should i buy T15 and pz 2 J

[distant nymph]

I've had this idea for a line for a while now and I think I've also seen some guys suggesting the same idea but...a line of lightly armored nippy light or medium tanks with autoloaders in the style of the gravedigger - for example the tier 8 could have maybe even a choice of guns - 5x90 or 4x160 with the latter having less DPM and less inside clip reload. The small guns would have an inside of clip reload of 0.5-1 sec and the larger guns about 1.5-1.7. The tier 10 would probsbly have 6x160 or 5x220. to compensate for this insane clip potential they wouldn't be the fastest light tanks and also have bad accuracy and/or pen and would have no armor of couse

[boreal marlin]

Can somebody tell me if pz 2 J and T15 are good offer

[distant nymph]

the 2J has ridiculous armor and an absolutely horrible gun and the T15 is completely average

[tulip knot]

T15 is kinda fast

[balmy compass]

panzer II J is well used for sealcubbing for it's armor
T 15 is fast, lacky pen but has 3 second reload

[wise moth]

I do recall a proposal from someone a while back to add an American light with a 76mm gun at tier X. Although, it would need to have a LOT more than 6x160. (That’s only 960 clip potential, barely as much as a Bat Chat!)

It’s have to be along the lines of 10x160 and a 1s interclip to be competitive

[distant nymph]

yea like that, I'm not really into tier 10 yet (don't have any) so yea my ideas were a bit suboptimal

[balmy compass]

personally I would like to see burst guns like the leopard (tier V) on more tanks

[distant nymph]

like machine guns? A high tier machine gun type gun could be interesting but how do you make it somewhat realistic looking while not making it a straight up chain gun/minigun

[wise moth]

No because no one plays below tier V and you’re not going to find a match

[balmy compass]

I like the concept of each time you shoot it fires multiple low damage shots
tbh I think it would be more fun if you fired like 8 shots per burst, but you have a okay intra between firing 8 times
like you would shoot for 8, intra, shoot for another 8 then mag reload

Leopard is super fun and I wish there were tanks like it in higher tiers :/

[boreal marlin]

I have 20 K and i don t know should i buy titan offer

[distant nymph]

so like a semi auto, like the low tier bursters, could be fun but very skill dependent. Shooting from anything other than point blank would be useless tho and sneaking up like that in high tiers is much much harder

[wise moth]

Honestly kinda this. Seems like it would probably end up being something like a less flexible TVP with more steps

[balmy compass]

skill dependent is fun too, I like how you gotta work to play the leopard well

[valid gale]

That was me…. HSTV-L the tank was called

And true to the implied stats it’s gun was capable of that cycling (and had a ridiculous speed for how little information exists on it) but suffered from immensely low ammunition capacity

It’s a tad bit strange and very interesting how many “unrelated” light tank projects the US had would follow very similar designs T71 comes to mind looking at this

[wise moth]

It’s because the US was obsessed (and still is) with the idea of creating a tank that you can drop out of an airplane rapidly onto the battlefield that also isn’t totally useless

[valid gale]

I’m fully aware if you know the M8 TD the M8 AGS straight up looks like the same design scaled up an older light tank named RDF also unrelated to HSTV Carries the same basic shape

[valid gale]

I do wish this line existed within the game gimmicky yes but it strikes me as something WoT would have had by now

[lyric copper]

100% would be easily balanced by poor armour, low camo and large size

[balmy compass]

sounds like Fv 4005

[misty wing]

FV4005 has mobility, super consumables, small liner, gun depression, and a center mounted turret to help it

[foggy spire]

*spall liner

[misty wing]

Oops

[foggy spire]

WT auf E100 would be interesting. Hopefully it doesn't have uber damage potential and insane accuracy.

[lyric copper]

nah it should

modern wotpc has shown that the WTAE100 is very difficult to play

[balmy compass]

so a 183 of some sort but it's more paper

[foggy spire]

Well WOT PC has hulldown monsters and more armored tanks. Plus there's no cali shells to boost pen.

[lyric copper]

the 4005 already is difficult to play right

make the wrong move at the wrong time and you just so happen to be unable to move or shoot

if the WTAE100 is added, its slower, has a rear mounted turret. you deserve to get destroyed if you somehow let it keep you out for that long

[foggy spire]

The 4005 requires your team to spot and not get blapped to farm the enemies.

[misty wing]

Hot take: they should give tanks with multiple guns/turrets (looking at you M3 Lee) a super consumable that causes a bot to temporarily take command of your secondary armament and shoot at enemy tanks automatically

[foggy spire]

Interesting, but that could be bad because the turrets can be become weakspots if they turn away, exposing the side turret.

[misty wing]

183 can't one shot tanks for the most part even on PC where it has greatly increased alpha, but it actually has some armor there as well

[foggy spire]

WT Auf E100 can one clip most tanks in PC. Has 2800 clip potential.

[foggy spire]

Blitz Death Star looks like a cheap lego set.

[late thistle]

Which gun to use on the WT auf Pz. IV ? What do the top players use etc. ?

[misty wing]

the 15cm

[foggy spire]

15cm gun. 10 degrees of gun depression is key.

[misty wing]

although stock I'd rather use the 12.8

@wise moth here's the Tiger P one

[wise moth]

Oh my god that’s actually super hawt

[misty wing]

line when

[lyric copper]

make them 2 shot autoloaders like the Steyr WT

and then the tier 9 and 10 have 3 and 4 shells respectively

[misty wing]

isn't steyr 3 shot lol

[lyric copper]

might be, may have forgotten

[misty wing]

I gave the Tiger P the E50's long 88 and the Tiger II the E50's 105 according to positive's suggestions
although I personally think the tier 9 should have an autoloading 128

[lyric copper]

imo the 4005 line going from single to autoloader isnt great

so why not have a whole line of autoloading TDs?

(ik the French TDs should have autoloaders, but they dont so)

[misty wing]

AMX AC 48 two shot
Foch 3 shot

[tulip knot]

I think tier 9 should be 400 for two shots and the tier 8 310 or 350 for two as well. It would train people how to use the Foch 155 with the 2 shot

[misty wing]

it's literally the same 120mm gun, why would it have less alpha?

[tulip knot]

So it isn’t op in tier 8

[safe cedar]

We don't need more autoloaders in blitz

[misty wing]

it's a TD with unreliable armor, 1100 hitpoints, and no turret...

[lyric copper]

unlike WG or moonco4life we actually try to balance tanks

[shrewd basalt]

What the good thing about Fury compared to M4A2 Loza besides it has higher Health?????

[misty wing]

lol you had to do him like that 😂

[tulip knot]

It’s a m4a3e8

[safe cedar]

AMX m4 48 is balanced it doesn't need to be changed.

[plucky summit]

I already have stats for a tier 6 💀

[lyric copper]

yoooo

[balmy compass]

Styer is 3 shot

[shrewd basalt]

When we get Maus as Turetted and auto loader TD 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

[safe cedar]

That is busted ngl.

[plucky summit]

That’s busted? LOL

[lyric copper]

thing is a KV-2 snack with no armour and a pz 3 hull at tier 6

[safe cedar]

That gun tho...

[lyric copper]

possibly lengthen out the clip reload though

12s seems more appropriate

[plucky summit]

Worse SU-100Y, here we come

Do know that it won’t have spall liner

[lyric copper]

also give it a meme gun

10 shots, 66 damage each, essentially no intra (0.5s) and 160 standard pen

[plucky summit]

I wanna keep it akin to WT Pz IV though 🗿

[lyric copper]

i wanna ratatatatattata some poor tier 5s

[plucky summit]

Selfish balancing 😳
Moonco’s favorite

Wait… you guys know that it’s a two shot autoloader, right?

[misty wing]

I think it could do with an HP nerf to 850 or 800 but that's it
And maybe 1 more second of clip reload

[lyric copper]

awawawa?

[plucky summit]

I figured you guys were going nuts about the gun because you thought it was a three shot

You implied that the 660 (actually 440) damage should be split into 10 shots for the memes

[misty wing]

What's the tier 7

[plucky summit]

Also it will only have 4 GD over the front, 6 elsewhere

[lyric copper]

ah then I mean 10*44

https://tenor.com/view/tyler1-gatlin-gun-gif-21506948

[plucky summit]

So yeah, it’s just a two shot 😅
I’d say use the VK 30 P’s hull for the tier 7

[misty wing]

WT auf Pz II J when

[dapper violet]

What’s the pharaoh credit coefficient?

[plucky summit]

Give it some time and blitzstars will find out, probably

[dapper violet]

Aww - estimate?

[misty wing]

150%

[plucky summit]

Play some games and compare it to a tier 7 tank you already know the CC of

[dapper violet]

Ok thanks

[misty wing]

gravedigger, tankenstein, annihilator, lycan, and dracula all have 150%, and helsing has 147%
so I would guess it is something in that range

[errant hound]

If I see any of those tanks on the enemy team. I make it my mission to get very gar away from them and throw shells at them

[plucky summit]

Gravedigger, Lycan, and Tankenstein aren't massive threats like Annihilator or Smasher

[lyric copper]

one time i found that 1 damage at tier 10 is about 7 credits

probably wrong though

[plucky summit]

Considering that profit is not just based on damage, it's hard to tell

[wise moth]

Actually, probably right. (At least if the credit formula didn’t change during the somewhat recent credit system rework)

You get 10 credits for one point of damage at tier X (for unassisted damage) multiplied by the tanks credit coefficient (most tier Xs had like 80% or so)

[errant hound]

Yeah. I hate peeking a corner only to spot one of those, with me looking down the barrel

[lyric copper]

found it with the Foch 155, when i did exactly 1 more damage than a friend, deducting any bonuses, got to 7 credits per 1 point of damage for the Foch 155

with that, the Foch 155's current credit coeff is 70%,

and it was after economy changes

[wise moth]

For that sort of analysis, that doesn’t work, since you get different amounts of credits for different kinds of damage.
If someone else was spotting for you, you only get 7.5 credits instead of 10.

Also you get credits for other actions. Doing assistance damage gets you 5 credits, and you get 100 credits for each initial spot

[spring trail]

is there a weak spot on the T110E3? I played a lot in 2014 and just started again so i only have that and another X tank. My T110E3 has 305 armor in the entire front but it keeps getting hit by tanks with much less piercing damage.

I haven't seen anyone else with T110E3 so i don't know what the weak spots are.

[lyric copper]

we did the same thing

@spring trail prammo or a small hatch in the front

[wise moth]

Lower plate, and there’s a tiny driver’s periscope

E3 vs T57 AP

[spring trail]

Thanks! that's very helpful

[blissful hamlet]

I think that autoloader is a bit too op for t6, considering its similarity to the Krupp-Steyr

[plucky summit]

The only real impressive part is the gun, so why can't it be a nice gun?

@blissful hamlet ^

[blissful hamlet]

I think because it's a bit too strong for t6?

[plucky summit]

It's just 2/3 of a Steyr WT's gun

[blissful hamlet]

With similar pen and more dpm than Steyr?

[plucky summit]

With a lacking ability to burst as deadly as Steyr 🤷‍♂️

[blissful hamlet]

Hmm, why?

[plucky summit]

Because it's only 440, not 660?

[blissful hamlet]

Considering it could face t5, still very deadly

[plucky summit]

And yet Tankenstein sapping half a tier 6's HP off per shot isn't OP at all

Who would've guessed that a higher tier TD can more easily rip a lower tier tank apart?

[violet timber]

183 can decimate a tier 9 med 🤷‍♂️

[plucky summit]

While I understand that the DPM and burst combo is great, nothing else is that good about the paper tank. I sure hope its gun is good if it's gonna have stats like that

I'm also listing the top speed given a sluggish engine, so don't go nuts about mobility either

[spare nest]

And tips on how to play the Spähpanzer SP I C?

[plucky summit]

Personally, I loved it. I played it like a support tank, not meant to take the shots. I wait until my teammates take the shot first, then I dish out the clip before returning to cover to prepare for another trade

Make sure not to be reckless, though, you need to trade with isolated, unsupported targets, unless you have cover from their support.

[tulip knot]

SP is just a tier 7 bourrasque

[misty wing]

Except the sp1c sucks and the bourrasque doesn't

[safe cedar]

Tankenstein doesn't have pinpoint accuracy, mobility, or good dpm. :/

[misty wing]

If you had to play the KV-2 in tier 10 under the condition that you get to buff a single one of its stats by 500%, what would it be

[safe cedar]

HE alpha.

[spare nest]

Thanks man

[misty wing]

Inb4 gun depression and shoot through the floor of your tank

[wise moth]

HE alpha. Just splashing someone would do literally like 1500 damage minimum

[safe cedar]

if you get behind an E4 >;)

[plucky summit]

I'd buff the DPM of KV-2, actually

[wise moth]

I mean for most tanks, you would outright one shot them with splash as long as you’re not hitting a super armored spot

[violet timber]

Penetration, auto pen time

[misty wing]

I think buffing caliber so you get more overmatch might actually be better

[violet timber]

Just buff terrain resistances, yolo anyone you want to

[plucky summit]

You think splashing for 1500 was insane, how about splashing someone for 300-400 every 4 seconds?

[violet timber]

Actually wait, just buff the armor

[wise moth]

You don’t need to pen things if you can splash one shot them

[safe cedar]

I mean you pretty much get 1 shot then get insta deleted.

[violet timber]

Having pretty much 375mm base armor all around would be insane

[safe cedar]

With 960hp? The moment your spotted you get deleted.

[plucky summit]

Uh huh, like every other buff that's been proposed except armor

[misty wing]

HP and get like 5k health

[plucky summit]

I guess armor or alpha is the best bet

Armor makes you dang near immortal until they get to your rear, and alpha would make you a trading machine

[violet timber]

Buff track health for no reason whatsoever

[plucky summit]

Get this:

500% gun depression

[misty wing]

That was literally my first suggestion

[plucky summit]

I was considering if both GD and GE could be counted like DPM/alpha/reload/SPM are related to each other

[misty wing]

I think they do, since gun depression is just negative elevation

[plucky summit]

I would prefer if I could 500% another tier 6, though

[violet timber]

Same

[misty wing]

How about, uh
ARL 44

[plucky summit]

Hm... just alpha?

[violet timber]

Like if I could 500% the VK36s armor, that’s what I’d do

ARL would be cracked with 500% armor as well

[plucky summit]

Vk 36 would be weaker than KV-2 if you 5x armor

KV-2 has considerably more deck armor

When you 500% KV-2, it's already down to the enemy having to splash your deck to death, and VK 36's deck is weaker

But yeah, ARL having 259 APCR with 950 alpha would be good

Heck, you could get 272mm APCR for CS, dealing 950 every 7.24s

[misty wing]

alternative 183 where you have half the health and less pen in exchange for way better gun handling, a fully traversing turret, and dpm

[plucky summit]

ARL would have a mere 100mm deck with 5x armor

[misty wing]

imagine tog with 500% health

[plucky summit]

The APCR isn't good enough to keep it a threat

[violet timber]

I was just about to say that

[plucky summit]

To be fair, though, it could be the best distraction tank known to Blitz, if he charges in, and they shoot him, they're not shooting deadlier targets. If they refuse to shoot him, then he gets to shoot their sides and rears

[misty wing]

imagine how much health improved assembly would add to the 500% health Tog

[plucky summit]

Like, 12,400

Don't worry, the stroke is over

[safe cedar]

500% camouflage lol

[violet timber]

I think Thunder would be the best tank with 500% armor

[misty wing]

honestly 500% view range would be pretty busted for anything

how about any tier 10 with 1 stat downgraded by 500% playing in tier 8

[violet timber]

Type 71 with 500% less camo

[plucky summit]

Yeah, we can cheat pretty hard here

[misty wing]

okay no viewrange or camo

[safe cedar]

30b with 500% less hull armour

[misty wing]

honestly, probably any autoloader with downgraded armor
4005 would be busted

[plucky summit]

Might as well use Leopard 1 then

[shut yoke]

This is the most alive chat in the server

[plucky summit]

Yeah, ran some math, just use Leopard 1 over AMX 30 B if armor is what you're nerfing

[safe cedar]

Why?

[violet timber]

Nerf 4202 gun health 😁

[plucky summit]

The spaced armor would be 36mm thick, backed by 30mm of actual armor

Not to mention they can just HE you anywhere else

[safe cedar]

hull armour

[plucky summit]

I thought overall armor is the choice you can make

[misty wing]

tier 8 with one stat doubled vs tier 10

[violet timber]

VK 100 with double armor?

[plucky summit]

Caernarvon with DPM

[misty wing]

I might take ISU with double DPM

[plucky summit]

IF you're forced to take cover after you shoot, that DPM is terrible to use

[safe cedar]

AMX 50 100 double alpha

[plucky summit]

I'd literally rather double ISU's module damage

[violet timber]

Double T34s pen because I can

[misty wing]

inb4 lorraine double clip size

[violet timber]

How about we double Chi-Se’s terrain resistance?

[misty wing]

rhm with double pen wouldn't be too bad in all honesty

[plucky summit]

Double Shark's armor 🤷‍♂️

[violet timber]

I just want to see a Chi-Se traversing stupidly quick

[misty wing]

Lowe with double credit coefficient

[plucky summit]

Ru 251 x2 top speed

[misty wing]

T28 proto x2 armor

[safe cedar]

Vk 168 ×2 size

[plucky summit]

Yay, now my sides are 100mm 🗿

[misty wing]

it's enough that I can wiggle and not be vulnerable to HE for the most part
And its pen, alpha, and DPM are kinda good enough as is

[plucky summit]

Just double KV-5's top speed 😈

T28 Prot. will just die to like 5 heavy HE splashes

[violet timber]

AX double armor, I need my 802mm plate

[misty wing]

Double quantity of the tank
that way it's 8v7 ez

[plucky summit]

I'm not actually sure if I'd take two tier 8s and six tier 10s against 7 tier 10s

[violet timber]

Double the amount of rounds in the ISU’s magazine 😉

[misty wing]

yeah I wouldn't it was a meme

[lyric copper]

8 shots tvp less goo

[misty wing]

isn't this strictly worse than having double alpha on any tank unless you're overkilling

[violet timber]

Technically yes, but it would be funny

[misty wing]

I think the 2 tier 8s might be slightly better if you're a coordinated tournament team, you could potentially use a light tank to scout and then an ISU just to present some fear factor/pressure

[plucky summit]

I'd feel more pressure from a TVP

[safe cedar]

Amx 13 90 with double alpha

[misty wing]

Here's what might be a better question
A tier 6 with one module from the tier 10 in its respective line, to compete in tier 8

[spare nest]

Any tips for the M4A3E8 ?

[misty wing]

And hulls count as modules, even though you can't research them

[plucky summit]

How would Jg Pz IV with IS-7’s hull work?

Just a thought, but my guess for your experiment would probably just be Nashorn 😂

[violet timber]

VK 28 with Leo 1 gun?

[plucky summit]

That is pretty cracked

[solid nova]

kv2 with 183 gun
the definition of uselessly overkill

[plucky summit]

AT 8 with a 183 though… 😰

[violet timber]

Sherman firefly with 4005 gun

Or Crommie with 4202 gun

[misty wing]

In the same line

[solid nova]

hmm yes i seem to be illiterate

[plucky summit]

Don’t worry, me too

[safe cedar]

ARL with 50b hull.

[plucky summit]

I don’t see the benefit

[violet timber]

It would have the same weak turret

[misty wing]

hellcat with the E4's turret

[plucky summit]

That’s just a meme 😂

[safe cedar]

Hp, mobility, etc

[misty wing]

the hull doesn't come with the engine inside
HP sure, but idk how that would be calculated

[solid nova]

chaffee with t57 hull
technically speaking the lines branch together

[safe cedar]

Doesn't matter 50b hull is lighter

[violet timber]

Turrets give HP afaik

[plucky summit]

And easier to HE

[violet timber]

VK36 with E100 hull

[plucky summit]

I don’t see a reason to do anything but a gun, if the tank’s armor will fail against tier 8 anyways

[slate island]

is this too much of a crazy setup for the chieftain mk6? used it for 10 battles and got 4k/90%, but im not sure i can change something to make it better

[plucky summit]

I don’t see much of a reason to use supercharger

[slate island]

on the course of maybe ~50-70 battles its likely it'll go down by 3k and 70 or less, and im trying to get a bit above that

[slate island]

it makes the HESH shell become faster and lose less pen over distance, its actually something i do with all tanks which carry HESH and have a decent aim time

[violet timber]

HESH doesn’t lose pen over distance…

[slate island]

then it just makes it faster and makes a noticeable difference

[violet timber]

It really shouldn’t be noticeable unless you’re sniping

[slate island]

yes i often hit HESH far away from the enemy, and usually use HESH when enemies are distracted so its even more likely i am far from them

[plucky summit]

APCR loses pen over distance but you already have CS to counter that somewhat

Run supercharger for your HESH if you really find it difficult to lead shots, or if the shell is just that painfully slow

[slate island]

it is painfully slow, but ive noticed (unless they buffed some tanks) that tanks like e100 cannot be penned slightly frontally even with premium apcr

by what i remember back when i used to play the chieftain on its big sale, it could pen the e100 with no problems

[plucky summit]

E100’s turret is 270mm thick now

[slate island]

strange that it has difficulty penning the turret even tho its 295-325 of pen

[misty wing]

I would take rammer and GLD but that's it

[plucky summit]

APCR has less normalization, so if E100 angles at all, you’ll have a hard time

[slate island]

ok

[safe cedar]

I personally run enhanced on cheiftan, but it's pretty dumb.

[lyric copper]

real fun fact about the chieftain and its HESH: it’s velocity is the same as a .50BMG round, so IRL the MG could be used to range the HESH if somehow the optics were damaged

[slate island]

its incredibly slow in this game whatsoever

[lyric copper]

it was irl as well

[safe cedar]

It's not bad tbh

[lyric copper]

honestly the chief kinda ain’t about the HESH

it’s more about the combo of DPM and one of the finest guns in the game

oh and the poor engine of the chief is accurate

heavy MBT with 650 HP engine 🗿

[slate island]

personally no. the HESH gives an extremely bigger advantage over many other tanks which perform similar to it. if you run calibrated, for example, you can pen chiefatin mk6's lower plate in certain angles. in 1v1 cases (which is very rare) you can easily gain advantage with that

[misty wing]

its main competitors are the super conq, E5, and Concept, and 1 of them has hesh too

[lyric copper]

people forget the E6?

[misty wing]

yeah 😦

[safe cedar]

650 isn't bad

[misty wing]

650 is like a corvette engine
powering your big 60 (?) ton tank

[lyric copper]

gives the chieftain one of the worst accelerations in the game

at that point I’d genuinely rather play an E6

650 HP for a 60+ ton tank isn’t a great idea

most modern tank engines produce way more and can propel even heavier tanks at greater speeds for longer

[misty wing]

abrams and leo 2 both have 1500 HP iirc

[slate island]

personally the chieftain has a perfect aceleration. not too much and not too little, that makes the tank be less OP than it already is

[misty wing]

it's not OP lol, if anything it could use a slight buff

[slate island]

the main thing about this tank is the mobility+dpm and hulldown capability, so if it had more mobility, one of those 2 would be nerfed

[lyric copper]

honestly the only 2 things the chief needs to be truly balanced is a more consistent turret and better acceleration

[safe cedar]

50b had like 850

[slate island]

but its already a high performing tank, theres no reason for a buff, it plays like the E6 basically, but with more armor and a better gun (?)

[lyric copper]

you already have a cupola the size of Greater London

which can be penned by HESH lol

less armour and an equal gun

[safe cedar]

It's around 50 Tonnes.

[slate island]

thats good, thats what makes it actually fair to play against. if it didnt have a cupola, it would like be the t95 from WOT which everyone hates

[safe cedar]

60tp, m54, 1b

[lyric copper]

I’m using US ton for some reason

55 UK ton

or 56 metric tonnes

[slate island]

those all have their flairs, 60tp having a horrible accuracy, m54 having a somewhat weak turret and 1b having a bad DPM, ofc 1b is a special case since its a hulldown demon but in my personal experience they are often driven by dumb people and they tend to expose their lower plate which is easily penetrated by HESH.

[lyric copper]

m54 bad turret awah?

thing goes hulldown and becomes a demigod

[safe cedar]

54 a weak turret? You high?

[misty wing]

M4 54's weakness is its huge size and rather bad dpm

[slate island]

i never had trouble penetrating it? what makes it so armored?

[lyric copper]

you use the full -8 and frontally no one can pen you

[misty wing]

it's practically invincible hull down...

[safe cedar]

This does.

[lyric copper]

goes hulldown in M54
intense french laughter

[slate island]

ah i was thinking about the t54 my bad

[safe cedar]

2.5k for 480 on a fast heavy is pretty good tbh.

[slate island]

but in 54's case it has a very trollish gun, shorta reminds me of the is7.
its indeed a really hard tank to fight against but nothing that a little angle with premium shells wont be able to pen it's side of the turret. its not hard to catch one of these slacking around and letting these mistakes happen

[lyric copper]

honestly it’s an IS-7 that traded for extra alpha and hulldown capability at the cost of being taller than Mont Blanc and having sides built like the Maginot

[slate island]

yeah ive never really encoutered one that caused me a massive pain in the ass. the only main competitor mk6 has in my opinion is the type 71, as it has something which chieftain doesnt have which is armored cupolas and extremely trollish side armors

most of the time thats the only tank i have problem killing, since their armor is way too strong even for chieftain's calibrated shells, often makes me annoyed

[safe cedar]

It's honestly also faster.

[lyric copper]

yeah and like the C1B it’s kinda a one trick pony at hulldown

once it gets out, you get to feast on its soft innards

Type 71 should have always been a beefier chieftain with a worse gun, but similar hulldown performance- good turret, but obvious weakspot sticks out and is easy to hit

but nope, WG made it a full MBT complete with randomly BS armour

all because morons can’t use their brains to even play heavies

can’t stand getting tracked and taking damage? Play Type 71

hate having a cupola weakspot? There, we made half of it red (WHY IS HALF OF IT RED WG? WHAT?)

[safe cedar]

Cheiftan lower plate.

[misty wing]

Chieftain not hull down is like the easiest tier 10 to pen besides the Leo and paper TDs

[safe cedar]

honestly cheiftan could use slightly better reverse speed, and maybe prammo pen.

[lyric copper]

also a more consistent turret and slightly better engine power

just like irl how chieftain was given a better PU and uparmoured

[safe cedar]

I think it would be fair to say it deserves small all round buffs to cope with power creep.

[slate island]

thats true, but often you can simply not stay in a position for long, and trick the enemy basically. quite often i see people missing my cupola and basically risking some shots because they think its an easy pen. it is but at the same time you need a bit of luck.

ive never really played a tank thats more balanced in all aspects, the HP pool as well is massive, 2,5k hp is not little

[lyric copper]

honestly best I can come up with is showing my turret crew what spinner rides do in Alton Towers (Alton Towers is a famous theme park in the UK)

[slate island]

i dont know but hitting cupolas are always the last option for me, its simply not a worth risk you should take when a tank is in hulldown, since thats their only weakspot not even your teammates may be able to help you

and this is where chieftain mostly shines, you can abuse the hulldown even though you have a big cupola, the turret itself is extremely good to tank shots from even big calibers like 183, just dont be so aggressive with it and you wont overpeek

[safe cedar]

what if cheiftan got its alpha nerfed to 380, but it's pen, dpm and accuracy buffed?

[misty wing]

okay we get it, you simp the chieftain
It's not OP at all though

[lyric copper]

the turret is inconsistent to most TDs

@safe cedar never.

[slate island]

i dont simp the chieftain , i simp e50m. hot baby
but the chieftain is something i never really understood why so many people hate or do bad in it

[safe cedar]

30b is bae. Any other is fake (WG please add AMX 30b2 legendary camo)

[violet timber]

I simp 140 😋

[slate island]

i liked 30b for a while , its not a great tank at all but its the most fun you can get from tier 10
140 is also another underrated tank in today's standards, i somehow perform better in it than my t-100 lol

[balmy compass]

Is the gameplay of the Chieftain Mk. 6 and T110E5 comparable

[slate island]

nope. 2 completely different tanks

[violet timber]

yes

[misty wing]

because it's straight up better than the t-100, no surprises there

[safe cedar]

I like 30b because I can abuse it harder than any tank in the game, only vehicle I truly understand.

[lyric copper]

sorta sorta not

both tanks have very snappy guns

and accelerate at the same rate ish

[balmy compass]

I see
I was thinking of getting the Chieftain as first tier X collector/premium tank
I wondered if it would be anything similar to E5 since I like that

[slate island]

not at all, the t100 is MUCH easier and better if you can learn how to play it correctly , the 140 is much harder and gives a better average than t100, thats why its not really worth learning how to play

[misty wing]

have you ever taken a look at their stats side by side on blitzstars lmao

[lyric copper]

whenever I shoot people in the E5/Chief, I just get a rush of dopamine from the mere CRISPYNESS of the guns

[safe cedar]

30b sideskirts when?

[slate island]

however i did a tribute to a friend which killed himself, she really like the 140 so i learned how to play the tank and somewhere in the middle of 2021 i got top 3 in 30 days in it, not saying it was any hard but 4,5k wn8 is ass to stay with

[balmy compass]

I think it’s amusing the E5 aims alot faster then the Grille

[misty wing]

because when you do, it becomes pretty clear that the 140 is superior in nearly every way

[violet timber]

The 140 has better dpm, better accuracy, better effective p/w, and better armor

[lyric copper]

it’s more amusing when you realise it’s more accurate than a chieftain.

[slate island]

i dont really like to rely on average stats, i prefer my personal performance and maybe performance from players like HRF. i dont watch him anymore but when i used to you could really see the flaws of each tank.

[violet timber]

E5 gun is basically just a medium gun slapped on a heavy

[misty wing]

not player stats lmao
the tank stats
The 140 is a better tank post-9.1 and it's a fact

[slate island]

you mean... their characteristics? its hard to judge only based on that

[balmy compass]

Only .7 seconds longer then the WZ-121 😂

[violet timber]

The only place where the T-100 truly outshines the 140 is in top speed

[misty wing]

oh no it's so hard to tell which tank is better when one of them is better in almost every way

[slate island]

and thats literally why, with the speed you can flank and change positions so quickly that the enemies get lost. you can do more damage with that

[misty wing]

60 vs 68 when the latter accelerates worse is not a huge difference

[violet timber]

I'd rather take a second faster reload, better acceleration, and better armor, as well as better accuracy

[slate island]

i used to take stupid positions in my t100 since it could reach them very quickly, something 140 would struggle to do

[balmy compass]

Which 2 tanks are those? I assume the first one is the E5

[lyric copper]

Chief vs E5

[slate island]

did they nerf or buff both tanks ever since like.. 8.1? i havent played ever since that update.

[misty wing]

140 wouldn't struggle anymore

[violet timber]

💀

[misty wing]

💀

[lyric copper]

E5 was essentially robbed in Baltimore of its DPM and other things

Chief has remained absolutely untouched

[slate island]

back then i used 140 to gain more map konwledge since it had to rely only on that, and t100 id spam for wr cuz it was hella easy to do well in it lol

[misty wing]

t-100 got massive nerfs, 140 got a rework and now it's like a better t-100

[slate island]

some crazy strategies with 140 would always work, things like going heavy side on mines. well, it worked for me somehow

[lyric copper]

T-100’s main adv over the 140 are

1: spotting mechanic
2: size
3: camo

[slate island]

hey i still remember when t100 had crazy armor in front plate. is that still a thing?

[balmy compass]

Not really

[lyric copper]

they nerfed it down

[balmy compass]

It could prob still get some bounces when angled but you don’t have the gun dep to maintain a lock on your opponent

[misty wing]

T-100 is less than 0.2 meters shorter, about 0.6 meters narrower, and 0.3 meters lower to the ground. It's not a huge size diff in practice

[plucky summit]

It still auto-ricos shells

[balmy compass]

Yeah

[balmy compass]

Well the turret is a fair amount smaller, that does have more of an effect

[misty wing]

it's much worse than the object's upper plate which didn't get touched when it "became a light"

[slate island]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/726985823106367550/944406162235879517/WoT_Blitz_2022-01-31_19-38-50_Trim.mp4

not like this anymore? :sadge:

[misty wing]

the more important part is that it has like 600 less dpm and sidegraded mobility to the 140, and less gun depression

[slate island]

less than 5??? whaat

[misty wing]

wut

[slate island]

if 5 wasnt already HORRIBLE it has less now

[misty wing]

no the t-100 has 5, the 140 has 6

[slate island]

ah i thought they nerfed it

[misty wing]

they nerfed the t-100 upper plate, HP, and DPM in 9.1
might've had a nerf before that too but not sure

[crude folio]

Just finished researching the VK 72.01 (K), any tips on how t play it?

[thorny smelt]

Don't side-scrape like you do with VK 45.02 (P) B. Instead, show your frontal armor, shoot, then hide.

[crude folio]

ok, thx

[thorny smelt]

It is an assault heavy tank. If you played the Löwe before, it has similar playstyle with VK 72.01 K. Be aware of the weak landing strip on the hull and prammo.

[plucky summit]

Don't play it like Lowe, they have different usage of armor

[crude folio]

now how to I grind the 6 mil to buy it

[misty wing]

play a premium

[crude folio]

skoda 45 it is then

[slate island]

go straight and shoot people. thats how i play it

people are often way too slow to aim at your weakspots so just aim and shoot them asap and they wont be able to do anything
its fun

[crude folio]

understood

[verbal fox]

How do you play e100

[misty wing]

trade, abuse your hitpoints and armor

[verbal fox]

Haha so funny, no really I just unlocked it and I can’t seem to position the armor right

[misty wing]

?

[misty wing]

I would say angle the hull 20-30 degrees and the turret 10-15 degrees to your enemy

[slate island]

You sell the tank and play something better

[verbal fox]

Explain in non math lingo for positioning

[misty wing]

Nah E100 is really strong
I would advise not making takes on tier 10 tanks until you familiarize yourself with the 9.1 changes lol (they reworked everything)

[slate island]

E100 is extremely hard to use now days and just not that worth it at all, but it plays like a normal heavy

[misty wing]

if you don't understand what degrees are then you are probably too young to even be on discord

[verbal fox]

Ok, you should have told me that 3 years ago when I started playing the German heavy chain. I kinda understand degrees but I like to hear practical uses

[slate island]

I forgor 💀

[verbal fox]

Ok that’s a little bit of an exaggeration because I played on and off

[slate island]

Imo this game has been unplayable ever since they added type 71, most tanks now are hard and to learn and it just makes the game hella boring. Miss the old times

[misty wing]

go into #devs-answers and scroll to june 2022, it's not that far up. You can see all the changes

[slate island]

I don't really care lol i only spam chieftain mk6 and upgrade it's levels, i don't care how much the game has changed

[misty wing]

maybe that's why you're struggling then 🤔 ?

[slate island]

Struggling with... What?

[misty wing]

you said that the game is hard now

[slate island]

No i said most tanks now days are hard to learn if you're not a veteran like me or anyone else that had super uni before

Because of the type 71, since even the best players like hrf struggle to kill it

[misty wing]

type 71 is OP, it's not "hard to learn"
and you really should go look at 9.1 changes

[slate island]

I said to a tester that doing 7k DMG with type 71 was easier than any other heavy and they banned me. Seems funny someone else also thinks it's op

[misty wing]

what's a tester going to ban you from what
most of them don't have any power except like verstap who's a mod here?

[slate island]

And by hard to learn i really feel like someone would struggle more to learn to play the e100 in 2022 than in 2018

[slate island]

Not in this server? I said it in hisroyalfatness server

[misty wing]

and no it would be easier than ever before because they buffed it in 9.1 and you'd be enlightened to just read the changes 🙂

[slate island]

I swear the only way to fix this tank is if it wasn't so slow and had a horrible gun, i very much doubt they made such change in that

[misty wing]

it's a rather good gun if you're playing it right

[slate island]

Yes i am playing it right and it sucks, it's like the 60tp gun but somehow worse

Back when 60tp was added they thought it would basically replace e100 since it was better in everything, and i can understand why they thought about it like that

[misty wing]

it has the exact same gun handling and everything, but more alpha/longer reload

[slate island]

Deosnt really feel like it
The only moments i had fun with e100 was when i could do 4 consecutive HE pens. Damn that feels good

With 60tp.. eh. He is next to useless rather than killing extremely low hp tanks

[dapper violet]

Should I get the all-seeing camo? Or is it worth it to go for a tank

[scenic locust]

Will Löwe get Buff and PBR?

[safe cedar]

If u like it yes.

[daring merlin]

Lowe needs some buff love

[plucky summit]

Just refine some plates with PBR, maybe buff the upper to 160, and all will be fine

[misty wing]

give it an upgraded hull, turret, and gun that turns it into the Pz Kpfw VII

[daring merlin]

Totan 54d or 274a. I say the 274a is stronger. Thoughts?

[misty wing]

don't know about/see them enough to have an opinion

[daring merlin]

Ive got the hype 59, t54lte and 274a. I dont see a need for the Titan. At 15k gold, not happening

[lilac mica]

He said Hype

[wanton remnant]

[daring merlin]

Its the Type 59, most call it the Hype 59

[lilac mica]

I can see why

[misty wing]

I've never seen someone call it that

[daring merlin]

I like it, its good

274a isnt too common, id say its the best of the bunch

[solid gate]

54d has better pen on both regular and premium, please remember that

[daring merlin]

Thats it. Less speed and armour

[misty wing]

thing is why would you gamble on 274a crates of all the tanks you could've gambled for

[spring trail]

What’s a good tank to get that can take hits head on cause my 305 front armor is useless

[plucky summit]

Well you're not really supposed to be out in the open at all in any tank

[spring trail]

Well some I hit with 300+ piercing and it’s all red but I can’t find those tanks in the list so how do I get those? 305 armor used to be good but now it seems useless so trying to get a new tank

I just don’t know all the secrets to the game anymore and trying to learn them

It seems armor means nothing now so I’m trying to adjust from my 2014 playing

I’m getting hit when I can’t even see the gun from other tanks and I can’t hit them but I have 305 armor. What am I doing wrong?

E75 kept hitting me. That has 194 turret armor and 237 piercing on strongest ammo. My tank has 285 piercing on regular ammo and 305 on my whole front without a turret. How can I do damage against it while it keeps hitting me? What am I missing?

[misty wing]

are you in the E3? or the T95

[spring trail]

I’m on the t110e3 if that’s what you mean

[misty wing]

E3 has a weak lower plate

[tepid geyser]

there's a great little thing called a lower plate, plus the commanders hatch and the weakpoints by the left and right of the gun mantlet, though you need good aim for those

[spring trail]

It was behind a hill I couldn’t even see the gun

[misty wing]

you're probably either lagging or got shot by someone else

[spring trail]

How is it all red at 194 armor and my piercing is 285? I don’t know what I’m missing

I couldn’t penetrate the armor but he could penetrate mine so I don’t know what I did wrong

[misty wing]

1. your pen is 295
2. E75's turret is actually 265 flat, and likely 280+ effective, plus the mantlet in the center and the sides are unpennable if he is facing directly at you

[spring trail]

Ahhh, I didn’t factor in the upgrades

[misty wing]

why would you ever look at stock modules...

[spring trail]

I haven’t played since 2014, in still getting back into it 😂

My tank was really good back then but that’s all I have til I grind for xp more

[misty wing]

so you played the game for less than a year when it came out? damn

[spring trail]

295 vs 280+ should still be able to do damage though right?

[misty wing]

yeah and it's only 280 with gun depression
on flat ground should be like 270ish

[spring trail]

This is my old IX rank stats.

But ya, I played a year then got a gf and stopped playing and forgot about the game 🤣

Awesome game though, I just totally forgot about it and now I’m back into it

[boreal marlin]

Is titan offer good

?

[misty wing]

no

[thorny smelt]

I prefer that it is sold for 8.5K gold

[misty wing]

I love the look of this thing so much

[thorny smelt]

Keiler? (WoT PC E 75TS)

[misty wing]

It's an event tank, but you can mix up the modules

if you go to tanks.gg and scroll down to tier 1, you'll find a bunch of weird tanks like that that you can mess with

[thorn folio]

WZ-111-1G FT is by far the most underwhelming and boring tier 8 TD

The tank itself is just 50 shades of bland, with the only "fun" thing being it's high HE damage that you very rarely get to actually use. It is quite honestly the poster child of being an extraordinarily basic vehicle.

[charred dragon]

is the tvp vtu a good tier 8 mt?

[misty wing]

Bruh that tank is incredible and the HE is extremely good and applicable lol

[thorn folio]

The HE is very good in the case of.... a tank is rear towards you so long as it isn't a german, russian, , it's a german or american tier 7 or 8 light tank, it's a french, american, british, or swedish heavy tank that is facing rear towards you, or if it's french or the Yoh series, side on as well. Of course there's the squishy TD's that you occasionally come across, but uh.... the HE pen being pretty basic doesn't really help it be any more niche than any other HE shell in the game.

The gun is as standard as it gets for a TD, the HP pool is as bad as the Charioteer's and ISU-152's, with the only thing making up for that is it's armor that's tier 7 and bad player resistant, as well as the reactive armor.

The mobility not being bad, and it having super consumables is honestly the only reason the tank isn't in the same boat as the ferdinand.

[misty wing]

Nah the HE genuinely makes it the most fun tier 8 TD. It is that special

It's also more accurate than the Ferdinand with better camo, and doesn't have a rear mounted gun

The super consumables are pretty irrelevant. The HE is everything

It's a lot more applicable than you might think when T49s and waffentragers are some of the most spammed tanks

Ru 251 is rather popular as well

One time one pushed me with like 2/3 HP and I high rolled for over 800 with the HE, killing him
Nothing else can do that except 150mm tanks, which at tier 8 are rare and have way worse accuracy

It also kinda feels like the most well-rounded TD at tier 8
Everything else is either paper (Rhm, scorpion, ISU) or extremely slow (AT-15, jag 88, T28s)

[thorn folio]

Ferdi is more accurate, Ferdi has more gun depression, ferdi having a rear mounted gun means it's actually easier for it to deal with things being on it's side.

Also no the HE really isn't everything, considering it as per usual with HE is pretty niche as every other single HE shell in the game except 150mm+ HE shells which can just be spammed at anything and be effective.

I also already stated the tanks you just brought up, and RHM players that have any amount of brain activity will be running the spall liner, which means with the level of up/down RNG that HE has, you'd still be better off firing AP for considerably more consistent damage.

Also the highest roll for the HE on the WZ-111-1G is 825, versus standard 128/130mm HE being 750. Which means that tanks like the Jpanther 2 for instance are just overall outright better.

[thorn folio]

Jpanther 2 and Ho-Ri T.I:

[misty wing]

Alright keep making things up, it doesn't help your argument

[misty wing]

I would rather play WZ over either of those 2 any day of the week. Has a more user friendly profile and the HE compared to the jag, and more alpha compared to the Ho Ri