vehicles-discussion

[tidal steeple]

Bullpup e100

[balmy compass]

I just looked at the new video in #game-news what the heck is that panzer shown in there

[plucky summit]

Pz. III/IV

[wheat mulch]

I just saw a Jagroo in the shape of a JPanther..

[balmy compass]

was that actually made irl

[plucky summit]

Well it was certainly in the game, that's all I can tell

[balmy compass]

well, alot of tanks are like that 💀

[safe cedar]

nightmares of being subscribed to droodles

[onyx raven]

It was intended for production combining parts of the Panzer III and IV, but was never built.

The chassis was used on the Nashorn and the Hummel SPG

[misty wing]

What if they also gave it 0.9 sec aiming time and 0.2 dispersion

[onyx raven]

Independent Swedish Tech Tree 3: Electric BeagleTree

[plucky summit]

I guess it would be busted, then

[misty wing]

90 alpha in tier 10 though kek
How much dpm would gravedigger with 12 shells but the same reload be

[plucky summit]

Basically 3,600

[misty wing]

Also I kinda meant this without the doubled armor, lol

[plucky summit]

Oof, then it’s bad

[sand briar]

This is imo the most cursed image in the entire world

[solid gate]

Hehe

[lyric copper]

imagine not getting it for free

[solid gate]

I always wanted this tank, but despite being a medium he has a little low speed, but a very good armor

[solid gate]

1,5k Gold

[lyric copper]

it’s average in the speed department

what really kills it is low alpha

@solid gate I didn’t have to pay lol, watched some streams and bam, free tank

[solid gate]

I'm used to playing with tanks that go over 60 kph (37 mph)

and the damage still didn't realize it's that low, I only won one game in it

I really like Centurions, they were the most versatile MBTs in history

[violet timber]

Eh, debatable

Centurion was revolutionary when it came out, then they just kinda started fading

[solid gate]

ngl

were retired from developed countries shortly after the Yom Kippur war when it was last proven in combat

[misty wing]

There's barely any tanks that go over 60. Literally just some lights and the leo

[solid gate]

Bc i play with exactly this tanks lmao

[safe cedar]

cries in old AMX 30b (66kph top speed)

[misty wing]

God I hate lights

[solid gate]

AMX-30 has an interesting feature which is the 20mm cannon, but I read it somewhere and I would like to know if it was ever really equipped with a gun stabilizer

despite the armor, a 105mm along with a 20mm plus a 7.62 should be some stupidly strong mobile firepower

[safe cedar]

No a gun stabiliser was never fitted.

[lyric copper]

massive french cupola in real life was amazing (still coulda used a periscope tho) but in games the moment you peek a ridge line you can bet on it being hit

[solid gate]

😔

Coldest photo of Leo 1

[safe cedar]

It did however had like a one plane hydraulique arm that acted as a very primitive form of stabilization.

[solid gate]

what a strange stuff

[ashen ivy]

I once had the nightmare tank in my list, but now I cannot find it. Was it removed, or did I just overlook it?

[safe cedar]

there was a proposal to mount a stabilizer on AMX-30b2 as an upgrade package, but it never was produced en masse.

[solid gate]

I've always been passionate about Leopard 1 and Centurion. I feel fulfilled to have them in my hangar today.

[plucky summit]

RAAC is great

[safe cedar]

Kinda boring tho

[misty wing]

I hate the low alpha, same goes for the cent 1 and AX

[plucky summit]

I’ll take that any day as long as I can comfortably hulldown as a medium

[safe cedar]

that sounds painful, I'd rather run, snap, and snipe in a medium. Can't bear standing still hulldown.

[misty wing]

At least it's something, unlike the cent 1 which only has pen going for it compared to other meds

I feel like if you're going to be mediocre/bad at most things and excel at one on a medium, pen is the last thing I'd want to excel at

[civic tiger]

Guys, should i buy titan 54d bundle?

[misty wing]

No, 15k is way too much for a tier 8 that's not even that special

[civic tiger]

Ok thanks

[neat nimbus]

is worth getting the pharaoh

[hot ingot]

i think it is get enough aces for 30% and you could be lucky to get it even for free

[neat nimbus]

yeah is gonna be a pain to get ace

[hot ingot]

play a tank no one plays and youre fine

[neat nimbus]

panther 2 and some unpopular

[blissful hamlet]

1A5s?

[neat nimbus]

or where i check the least played tanks

[solid gate]

Yes

[opaque flicker]

Ah, I have 3 tier 9's and 2 of them are stock

T30
E75
ST-I

T30 is by far my favorite

[sacred trail]

I've barely seen the 30.02 D out there for a while

[misty wing]

I sincerely hope you don't have the stock ST-I

[opaque flicker]

I did 2600 damage in the stock ST-I, got 3 kills, and survived

First battle in the T30 I got 3 kills and a mastery

E75 is just slow and kind of boring, bounced a lot of shots though

I think I'll go for the Sheridan line next

[pallid flame]

E75 isn’t that slow

[opaque flicker]

Eh, stock

[misty wing]

E75 is quite fast for its size, faster than ST-I

[opaque flicker]

ST-I average speed I dont suffer with, its rotation however..

[misty wing]

E75 is also faster with stock tracks and suspension vs stock ST-I

[opaque flicker]

That of which I can agree with because I have both of those

Also love how I can shred the Grille-15 with HE yet keep a full 360 turret on the T30

[safe cedar]

Only advantage of AMX 30b over leopard 1.

[plucky summit]

“Only”
Let’s not.

[onyx raven]

So ChickenMan, I may or may not be beginning a project inspired by you to create tech trees for nations in my fictional world

[sleek gorge]

Pls nerf Obj. 252 U armor
Its Ridicilous

[onyx raven]

Thing’s got a massive frontal weakspot and terrible lower sides. What are you on about?

[plucky summit]

💀

I could certainly redraw your tanks in my style

[onyx raven]

It’s good man. I’m hoping doing these will improve my 3D drawing skills.

[tulip knot]

I can help as well if you want

[onyx raven]

Unfortunately as this is based on a personal project of mine, you wouldn’t be able to

[wheat mulch]

I feel complete.

[oak pollen]

Ok
What about Defender?

[tulip knot]

Cool👍

[wheat mulch]

Not a defender fan.

[solid gate]

Well I have Svear and Titan Mk. 1, although playing those meaning facing KV-2/Smasher/Anni

[wheat mulch]

A lot play Svear and Titan Mk 1.

Play tanks like Chi-Nu or T25 AT.

[solid gate]

Wait, why would anyone NOT play T25 AT? last time I play it was a better Jadpather

[wheat mulch]

No one likes it, nor JPanther either lol.

[lilac mica]

You said the same thing earlier and now you’re reposting it because Chicken was right

252u armor is fine, just aim at the lower plate
You can shoot the top of the cupola

[solid gate]

But I do 😦

People like jpanther

[wheat mulch]

Not enough peeps play it for it to be recognized. Everyone just goes for RHM and WT.

[lilac mica]

And a minority like Ferdinand

[plucky summit]

JPanther is a rather good tank

[solid gate]

Yeah I agree, its not played near enough. But those who do recognise it for the good tank it is

[solid gate]

second this

[solid gate]

Haha, well that's a terrible tank that deserves to be left alone

[solid gate]

I mean in Jadpather 2, I at least have the speed to run away, so no?

[lilac mica]

I don’t get what you mean
@solid gate It lacks of armor so yeah lol

[wheat mulch]

JPanther, T25 AT, and AMX AC 46 are all rarely played.

JPanther is not played because Maus, Tiger child popularity, and RMH WT or Grille 15 popularity.

T25 AT is just forgotten because the Hellcat.

AMX AC 46 for majority, absolutely hate the tank because of its horrible situation, huge hull no armor.

[thorny smelt]

The Porsche design itself takes a toll on engines and ended up with transmissions breaking down

[misty wing]

play the VK 30.02 D or Indien Panzer if you want a tank no one plays

[solid gate]

Yeah

[solid gate]

I mean compare to Jad, Ferdinand trade mobilty for some health and armour that can't even stop same tier premium round (unlike Jad superstructure)

[thorny smelt]

Even the Maybach engines in Ferdinand (yes, that's the engine used, not the Porsche) goes up to 30 kmph

[wheat mulch]

The issue is with the Ferdinand for me is only the gun is on the Jagdtiger. While the JPanther II has also the engine.

[wheat mulch]

Btw, if anyone wants to get IS-4, don’t till you get IS-7.

stock ST-1 hell.

[solid gate]

I grounded out Tiger 2 first so that a non-issue to me

[lilac mica]

Play AE 🧠
@solid gate you’re right
@wheat mulch I agree with that always IS-7 first it’s basic knowledge

[solid gate]

That's not fast though?

[thorny smelt]

The only Porsche design that is fast is the Leopard 1

[solid gate]

Oh ok

[wheat mulch]

So many go for the IS-4 route because they stuck with the KV-2. It’s really bad because other than the fact KV-1s is a force to be feared.

You’re stuck with a lot of bad stock equipment, which is easily found by just playing the IS-7 route and is very easy to grind vs IS-4 route.

[oak pollen]

Oh

[wheat mulch]

Welp I’m bored, time to spit out random facts.

T110E5 is lighter than T1 Heavy.

[modest shadow]

Is it me or does hardly anyone play the US med line because I'm grinding for the Patton rn and haven't seen one past Sherman, so is Patton not a good med?

[solid gate]

Because T20 and M46 is quite bad?

[oak pollen]

Kv2 is one of the best t6 I have
Cuz you can use derp if you want fun
Or go use zis6 if you want to perform well (too get credit & xp)

[wheat mulch]

It’s very good, especially hulldown.
Just the M46 is the worst thing ever created.

[modest shadow]

Ohh okay so the line is just hell lmao, welp still gonna keep going

[supple hearth]

Kv-2 is feared because it can 1 shot you

[wheat mulch]

Not as bad as the STB-1 line or Foch 155.
So don’t worry.

[modest shadow]

Noted, because I'm rn I'm grinding is7 line and that one

[wheat mulch]

*May.

KV-1s on the other hand is much more consistent along with having gun depression and mobility.

[oak pollen]

Kv1s have kinda no hull armor, long reload, not that great mobility
Also, you have only 1 gun to choose

[supple hearth]

KV-1S have good mobility

[misty wing]

M46 isn't that bad

[oak pollen]

Good for HT

[solid gate]

I mean STA-1 is okay-ish and at least Type 61 upper plate is non pennable for 105mm pen HESH, unlike Standard B (to be fair, B have more for it going than 61)

[wheat mulch]

Ok, what about KV-2 eh?

Long reload.. bad armor.. bad mobility..

[oak pollen]

You forgot about zis6

[plucky summit]

KV-2 has the least HP for a tier 6 heavy

[wheat mulch]

Still is easier to hit than a FV4005 tbh.

[thorny smelt]

I think KV-1S has more reliable armor than KV-2. KV-2 has flat armor and a huge box of steel with the thickness of 75 mm which even tier 5 can butter though it.

[oak pollen]

Kv2 is kinda gun carrier

[wheat mulch]

Oh and let’s not forget KV-2 can pen itself with HE frontally.

[supple hearth]

My brother love the Kv-2 more

[thorny smelt]

Oh right. 75 mm of HE pen

[solid gate]

But the issue is that the kV 1s armour profile and gun handling are nearly as unreliable as the kV 2. So personally I'd go for the derp gun since you sacrifice so much either way

[wheat mulch]

T-150 slowly reaching the core of Earth as a fossil.. Quickly turning into dust unrecognizable by anyone..

[thorny smelt]

Poor T-150

[wheat mulch]

Obj 244 just never being added beyond a server exclusive tank at this point..

[solid gate]

Alex did said it "will" coming in a event in the future, my bet is the same role as Pudel last year

[wheat mulch]

Yeah what happened to that Collector IS-7 WG?

[solid gate]

No comment on that one

[wheat mulch]

Some of us haven’t forgotten WG.. what happened to that collector IS-7 you teased us when 60TP was being added hm?..

[thorny smelt]

Me asking for Object 705A for the nth time:

[wheat mulch]

My buddy really wants it.

[worn dawn]

Same here

[solid gate]

At this point I really want WG to buff Kpz 70t gun to 640/560/960, I don't care what it cost, if it have to be put in T10 then so be it

[supple hearth]

Obj 279 when

[wheat mulch]

So WG.
You gonna add stuff from console yet?
Like Hellcat 105 HMC? Or T-34-88?

[thorny smelt]

The gun is so long it doesn't fit in the picture...and it makes Grille 15 jealous

[solid gate]

No

[supple hearth]

Why, it looks cool

[solid gate]

That never a convince argument to anything, do you know that?

[supple hearth]

T-35 when

[solid gate]

At this point I'm quite like @misty wing suggestion to Grille 15 rebalance to make it special, no chance WG going to do it

[solid gate]

WG haven't done any new T4 for quite a while, if they even still doing it at all

[thorny smelt]

Like how? Restore the 640 alpha? Better camo rating?

[solid gate]

Buff AP alpha to 700, HE to 1050, nerf DPM
Though if that go through, I also like APCR as premium ammo and buff it pen to 350~360

[thorny smelt]

Make it 690

[solid gate]

Nah going to keep V4 special somehow

[wheat mulch]

List of tanks WG should probably add to Blitz:
ELC even 90
Hellcat 105 HMC
Obj 705A
Sheridan’s 105mm gun
AMX 13 105
Pz Kmpf VII
Centurion AX
Be better than PC and add M41’s 10 shell autoloader.
RHMpzw 105
Hetzer derp
Cromwell derp
Churchill derp
AT-2 derp
Crusader derp
M10 Derp
there’s so many derps..

[thorny smelt]

Panzerkamfwagen VII is literally Löwe and VK 72.01 K

[solid gate]

pre-5.5 players remember
I still remember just how much they nerf my BT-7 art

[wheat mulch]

Remember when IS-4 had a tier 7 stock gun..
I do.

[supple hearth]

T-44-85 when

[wheat mulch]

LMAO

It’s been in the game for like 2 years now.

[solid gate]

Oh also buff frontall gun depression so it is 5 degree all around, buff stationary camo and remove spall liner

[thorny smelt]

Just keep the Spall Liner

[solid gate]

No, remove spall liner on all tank, mistake should be punished accordingly

[wheat mulch]

Been here for a looong time.

[thorny smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/face-palm-oh-no-oh-god-damnit-damn-gif-10780870

[solid gate]

Lis now eclipse that tank 😦

[wheat mulch]

Leo and Svear.

[solid gate]

kinda different playstyle-ish, both tank don't have strong turret and better gun dep

[supple hearth]

A7V when

[wheat mulch]

Better. it had a flamethrower weapon in console which was cool.

[supple hearth]

Sturmpanzer when

[solid gate]

Go to console

[wheat mulch]

Literally go to console

[supple hearth]

VT1 when

[solid gate]

Just before ST-2 line, not a moment before

[wheat mulch]

Close enough.

[supple hearth]

Sturmpanzerwagen Oberschlesien when

[wheat mulch]

Close enough and bigger.

[hot ingot]

my ace weapon of choice, personal record 12minutes for two aces

[solid gate]

Did you know once upon a time, this tank rear is just armour as it's front, WG balance at it fineness (not)

Does 2015 count as a separate tank from the standard jag 8.8?

[wheat mulch]

Yes.

[supple hearth]

TK-3 tankette when

[opaque flicker]

L3-35 tankette when

[solid gate]

That's kind of silly lol. It should just count as a leg camo type thing. Fearless tanks don't count as separate tanks do they?

[hot ingot]

yes they do

[solid gate]

Dam, didn't know that. Easy to Ace

[solid gate]

It was before leg camo thing

Yeah ok, makes sense

[wheat mulch]

Hardcase has the same issue. (First pic front, second back.)

[solid gate]

what it that tank, my first though is T-2020

[wheat mulch]

Hardcase, tier 9 mercenary heavy tank. It’s way better at reverse side scraping than doing anything with its frontal armor.

[solid gate]

Missed last year deal of just 5,5k will do this one better

[solid gate]

So console strike again? Dev at there must be off their rocker

[supple hearth]

M22 Locust when

[wheat mulch]

Right here.

[wheat mulch]

Wanted a balanced Smasher? Dreadnought KV-2 from console.

Wanted to buy pretty much any premium tank at anytime? Premium techtree from console.

[supple hearth]

Saint-Chamond when

[misty wing]

So I free xp'd the cent 7/1 because I couldn't stand the cent 1
ngl the hesh gun is kinda scuffed

[wheat mulch]

They just added a version of that to Console.

[wheat mulch]

FV4202 is straight worse than Centurion Mk 7/1.

[misty wing]

it's a lot faster

[wheat mulch]

But sacrifices all its armor, flexibility, and it’s HESH gimmick.

[misty wing]

It also has the hesh gimmick though?

[wheat mulch]

Not good.

You see, the Centurion Mk 7/1 has the same exact guns from the FV4202.

The issue is, the HESH pen at tier 9 is way more effective than at tier 10.

Think about it.. the tier 8s are way more likely to get absolutely obliterated by the Centurion 7/1 HESH gun.

While FV4202 can go murder a Leopard 1 and then suffer with no gold shell against tier 10 heavies..

Overall the HESH gun, while super effective against any non heavy tanks. Blitz has a heavy tank meta. So yeah..

[misty wing]

like half the tier 10 meds have the same guns as the tier 9s and all of them are better

All of those tier 9s put all of their eggs into the one basket of having that tier 10 gun
causing them to suffer in other attributes

[wheat mulch]

But the FV4202 is not, its the complete opposite.

Good bye armor, goodbye hulldown, goodbye flexibility, goodbye tier advantage, goodbye pretty much everything.

And what did the FV4202 get? Top speed with a hard time getting there.

Oh and it got a crown just like AMX 30 B.

[misty wing]

hard time getting there
Lol are you high? FV4202 has one of the best power to weight ratios of any tier 10. You're also trolling if you think the cupola on it is actually an issue

Also FV4202 has the "tier advantage" because it will always be top tier

[rigid thunder]

idk about you, but the 4202 is a very strong tank, though this only goes for random battles. The extremely good top speed, good hp/t ratio, and 10 degrees of gun depression give the 4202 a lot of versatility, all of which complement the gun.
The ability to achieve 3800 DPM on HE rounds with 231 pen allows you to win basically every MT duel (provided you play well), and make you a huge pain when flanking armoured tanks

[misty wing]

Eh I would put my money on E50M to beat it in a dogfight

[wheat mulch]

I have the FV4202, it has a really hard time getting past 46kph, it takes a while to get up to top.

The crown is just there to add onto the fact hulldown isn’t an option.

The Centurion 7/1 fights tier 8.

It simply is a big light tank with a scary Hesh gun.

[rigid thunder]

kinda forgot about that but yeah that's what the E50M does

[wheat mulch]

I guess what I’m trying to get at, is that Centurion Mk 7/1 was in a really good position and FV4202 pretty much scraped it.
If it was Centurion AX with the gun choice at tier 10, it would be also in a good position like the Centurion Mk 7/1.

[misty wing]

I'm pretty sure Cent AX is also clowned on in PC for having a weak turret

[oak pollen]

What is more OP in WoT console?
WT E100 or Sturmtiger

[rigid thunder]

it's clowned for having a dumpster gun and a garbage turret

[wheat mulch]

T1E6-X. change my mind. And WT auf E 100 in console is pretty much a joke in console.

[misty wing]

It's the same shape as the Caern AX turret but without the shields, meaning it's very weak up close or if you're above it

[wheat mulch]

Sadly that’s true about it. Wish it got scaled up armor from Centurion 7/1 so it would keep all the 7/1’s goodies.

[oak pollen]

How I could change your mind when I know almost absolutely nothing about WoT console

[wheat mulch]

Just say the Lefh, Sexton I, Pz v/iv, The Machine, Steadfast, or T1E6-X for most op tank in console.

[misty wing]

Pretty sure those aren't tier 10

[wheat mulch]

The Machine is, it’s a AMX 50 B hull + Chieftain Mk 6 turret + TVP 50/51 gun.

[oak pollen]

WT E100 is most OP in WoT console

[wheat mulch]

How when The Machine exists. The WT auf E 100 in console is honestly terrible. It even has 0 camo when behind bushes, worse than Maus.

The Machine is literally spammed for being way too op.

[misty wing]

WT E100 is overrated. It was only truly insane in its original iteration, when it had 6 shells, 2200 hitpoints, the best view range in the game, and insane gun handling

in its current iteration it is probably slightly overpowered but not really game breaking considering there's tanks like the Vz55, Minotauro, and T95/FV4201

268v4 and Object 430U were also crazy busted in wot PC on release

[oak pollen]

But WT have ability to kill almost any tank with 1 clip

[wheat mulch]

That’s the old PC one that got removed like 8 years ago. The one in Console is super nerfed.

[oak pollen]

Oh
My information base on rental WT in WoTpc

[wheat mulch]

WT from 8 years ago dealt 3300 dmg in 10 secs with 60 sec reload.
Nerfed a while later, 2800 in 8 sec with 50 sec reload.
Removed shortly after.
8 years later we have the rental come back. It’s the nerfed one.

The one on console is even more nerfed. 2300 dmg in 8 secs with 60 sec reload.

[oak pollen]

It not totally remove
I still be able to view my rental WT in my garage

[wheat mulch]

8 years ago

[misty wing]

it wasn't 8 years ago I'm pretty sure
more like 6

[oak pollen]

You say it get remove after it come back

[wheat mulch]

WT auf E 100 was added in like 2012 correct? And was removed in 2016? So yeah maybe 6 years.

[wheat mulch]

It was a techtree tank. Got removed years and years ago. It literally just came back as a rental.

[misty wing]

you forgot to mention the gun handling, HP, and view range nerfs which are a much bigger loss than the 6th shell all things considered
It also received a massive hull armor nerf when it got the HD model

[wheat mulch]

It used to have one of the best gun handlings, 2200 Hp, amazing view range and decent camo, 2 different guns, and was quite mobile.

[misty wing]

The WT was broken not because it could delete a tank in a single clip, but because it could do so with so much efficiency and reliability
the gun handling and accuracy were busted and 2 second intra clip is great as well

[oak pollen]

Agree with busted accuracy

[misty wing]

pretty sure batchat has/had 1960 clip potential or something in PC, which is also enough to one clip a lot of tanks, but it wasn't busted because you could never guarantee it in the same way the WT could

[wheat mulch]

It was simply the fact it had no downside other than reload for its send-back-to-garage gun.

[misty wing]

the huge size and paper turret were also downsides, but PC didn't have intuition back then so they couldn't capitalize off it by shooting HE

[wheat mulch]

For example, the Deathstar has really bad accuracy, camo, armor, and was huge, along with the fact once it fired it was pretty much hunted down from miles away.

While on the other hand, release WT had the best HP for all TDs, had hullarmor, fully rotatable turret, no gun downsides other than reload, and had an autoloader which helped it pressure and prevent it getting immediately murdered.

[misty wing]

I see a lot of people who are very adamant about not adding the WT E100 to blitz on any condition, and to be honest they're just not using their brains
If we go by WG's usual patterns when they port tanks from PC to blitz, the WT E100 would have a clip of 4x460. (It's a jagdtiger gun in PC which has 460 alpha in blitz, and blitz autoloaders usually have 1 less shell, at least until 9.1) Considering that we have the FV4005 already at 4x410, 4x460 on the WT would be perfectly fine considering it also has an even larger and more awkward profile with the rear mounted turret, less gun depression, worse mobility, and worse pen

[wheat mulch]

Honestly. The WT with the autoloading E 100 gun nerfed a bit for blitz would be fine.

But this makes me want the other stuff back from back then, M41’s 10 shell autoloader, T30 being a tier 10 heavy, Batchat being a medium and AMX 13 105 being the light, Sheridan with the 105mm, so many derp tanks..

Man remember when MT 25 was one of the most feared tanks in the entire game?

Hell, M46 having the M4’s derp gun.
IS-4 and T34 being techtree tier 9.

[oak pollen]

I think we already have it in the game

[wheat mulch]

750 alpha, 3 shells, fully rotatable turret, and a 3 sec interclip?

[oak pollen]

Nope

[wheat mulch]

Yeah that’s what the 2nd gun the WT had since it’s release, the stock gun was the 6 shell one.

[oak pollen]

@wheat mulch what about 410 alpha, 4shell in 1clip, 2.5 interclip, fully rotatable turret

[misty wing]

1. Would probably be kinda bad/super hard to use tbh
2. T30 wouldn't be a good heavy nowadays
3. Fine
4. Sheridan never had the 105mm in blitz so it's not really "stuff from back then", but I agree it should be added

[wheat mulch]

750 x 3 = 2,250
410 x 4 = 1,640

[oak pollen]

Just play it in mad game
Or burning game
Or uprising

[wheat mulch]

Yeah but I’m simply stating how many things would be cool to see again.

[misty wing]

why are you so against adding something new

[wheat mulch]

Adding new is what killed PC and Console.

Not that I don’t like change, it’s that maybe we should space them out a lot more. Like rn, we just got Type 71 and that was a big headed debate and now we are getting the Minitaro..

[misty wing]

PC is dead because they can't attract new players with the crew system and horrifically complex interface

It's extremely new player/casual unfriendly, so they can't grow the playerbase

[wheat mulch]

Oh definitely. 200% agree.

The grinding is super long, as cool 15 minute matches are, they also prevent convenience.

Gold is hard to get.

Crew is super complex and is a grind within itself.

Gold shells don’t have a disadvantage.

Overall, PC is super stressful because of how long and drawn out it is.

[misty wing]

PC crew is atrociously bad with the sole benefit of being good for collabs with custom voices and whatnot

[wheat mulch]

So why can’t they do what they did in Blitz? New tank + custom crew voice.

[misty wing]

Not having sixth sense was what prevented me from getting into the game, although they added that for free recently (about time)

[wheat mulch]

12 years now? Been a default thing for blitz and console since release of I remember.

[misty wing]

because PC has the ability to move crews from tank to tank, plus they have the individual profiles and pictures for each member (which is kinda necessary for a fleshed out collab imo)

I'm sure there's some way to get the best of both worlds, but WG are far too lazy to come up with it

[wheat mulch]

Yes, but Blitz fixes this with avatars, while cringe and useless, give moral and a sense of personality.

[misty wing]

hey man don't make fun of my catgirl avatar that I paid $50 for

[wheat mulch]

laughs

[misty wing]

i wanted that background so bad but the price is just absurd

[wheat mulch]

I spent $300 that day.

I have a horrible selling habit, thus me needing to restore 100+ premiums and collectors.

[misty wing]

I spent $250 on the Object 268/4 when it released because they made scam crates that were so bad they removed them from the store after 10 minutes, but not after I spent $200 on them already

[wheat mulch]

I’ve spent at least $1000+ already in blitz alone

[misty wing]

I've probably spent 10k on all games combined over the years

[wheat mulch]

I’ve spent over $2000+ easy on console WoT alone. Had literally every tank in the game lol. Release day Obj 279e

And thousands on way more games than I should.. I’m living a very unhealthy life, and probably needs to seek help.

[zealous anchor]

Cool

[wheat mulch]

According to some random that wanted to count my hours, I average 18 hours a day on WoTB, for the past 2 years I’ve been here.

[misty wing]

how

[wheat mulch]

No life powers I guess.

[oak pollen]

Impossible
Then how you manage to sleep, eat, do other important stuff?

[wheat mulch]

What important stuff? What’s sleep?

[misty wing]

clearly he's a zombie and actually has no life

[wheat mulch]

I’m still technically a child and staying up everyday is normal for me.

[misty wing]

what about school then -_-

[wheat mulch]

Eeek me offended a little. I’ll be fineeee..

[wheat mulch]

School? Have zero motivation.

Hell my family and friends are super concerned about me daily because of my lack of wanting to live everyday.

[misty wing]

sounds like your parents aren't doing their job

[wheat mulch]

They do, they just realize my health issues.

I suffer from extreme anxiety and a landfill of mental complexity.

[misty wing]

"Being concerned" isn't doing anything about it though

[wheat mulch]

Technically every moment I spend living is hurting me.

[misty wing]

okay maybe take all that depressing talk somewhere else

[copper swan]

simp

[misty wing]

what's wrong with liking catgirls

[wheat mulch]

Good.
head pats

Now where’s my Collector IS-7.

[brave juniper]

Not their fault if u can't wait to buy stuff, they already have a track record of bugs with stuff that's entirely new and even offers in shop( one time the revalorize was free and like 2k people got it free just for it to be changed after to a 6k gold offer) 🗿

[misty wing]

I'm not saying it's their fault (didn't ask for a refund/send a ticket etc)
just sharing my splurgiest moment on this game

[wheat mulch]

That reminds me of Ke-Ni Otsu situation.

And also the Black Market Type 59 gold being sold out.

[misty wing]

although it kinda is for having such a buggy game in the first place 🤔

[brave juniper]

Oh, big rip then

I mean they're not the main focus of the company and the team working on wotb isn't as big either 🤔

[wheat mulch]

WG likes money.
That’s something I can guarantee say after being in the community for 8 years.

[brave juniper]

Yeh like every normal human on planet earth

[misty wing]

I'm pretty sure droodles fell for the same trap recently on the M-IV-Y crates lmao
The gold crates came out a few hours later than the money ones, which he bought upon release

[oak pollen]

It's sad WG just realized that lockbox is disaster but forgot that crate are disaster too

[wheat mulch]

And then they removed charms..

[misty wing]

except for that case they didn't remove the money crates from the shop

[wheat mulch]

Hey peeps. Did you know the Splinter Camo crate had been removed for no reason again?

[brave juniper]

Well then again that's kinda not their fault(again) crates usually come with a gold version unless stated otherwise in the in-game news, idk y the delay tho for me both crates for gold and $ were available when I logged in the morning(i use the wargaming client version)

[misty wing]

that's because you weren't on the game the literal moment they dropped
Like I said, we're talking about crates being available for literally like 10-15 minutes before they're removed and/or better crates come in

[brave juniper]

🤷 well what can I say I'm not not a morning person but yeah i don't have the urge to get things the microsecond they're dropped either too so 🤷‍♂️

[misty wing]

For NA it's like 2am pacific 5am east so it's more for night people than morning people really

[brave juniper]

Hmm well in my timezone new stuff is usually released between 5-8AM, not really that early

[misty wing]

A lot of content creators feel obligated to get stuff the moment they're released for obvious reasons, so it is pretty scummy to have trash crates release first by like an hour

[brave juniper]

Welp i guess, but hey they're pretty quick to fix bugged stuff or stuff incorrectly setup, and besides there's been many, many times people got good things out of WG messing crates or stuff in shop than bad things, so it's a 50/50 whenever something's in shop

After 15mins or 1-2, hours then it's usually just normal stuff

Like whee they messed stream keys and they had to do a server reset in Asia/eu i think lol, in Na some people got this error and got even up to 30k gold, some errors with crates that were meant to give worse rewards but people got diff things, etc,etc

[misty wing]

I didn't even know about all of that ngl. Guess they do some good cover-up

[brave juniper]

Then there's been messed crates like the snow globes giving Emil I lol

[misty wing]

I think there was the battle pass crate giving the Chaffee or something like that too 😂

[brave juniper]

Yeah

Well anyways I'm going to bed, i have stuff to do later today

[spark bluff]

is the IS-7 like really prone to an ammo rack ALL THE TIME?

[misty wing]

Nope

[spark bluff]

how to prevent IS-7 ammo rack

[onyx raven]

Step 1: Have RNGsus on your side

[oak pollen]

Cover your IS-7 with MORE STALINIUM

[opaque flicker]

Is it just me or does the T30 have insanely good RNG

Like I'm able to hit the gun on a Kpz 50 t from 340 meters away while its moving, and when I actually hit my shots I do 700+ damage?

It's usually always a highroll when my shots hit, when it's a lowroll I still do 660 or 670

[pliant pike]

T30 is a good Tank

No matter the enemy's armor, if it's red shoot with HE or prammo

[vestal anchor]

I think it so toxic if u play in relief

[solid gate]

The coin crate first came out give T-54 ltwt instead of LT-432 too

[lilac mica]

KV-2 was better back then but yeah KV-1S is very good

[solid gate]

How do you guys think about Medjay? Is it meta tier 5 or just a bad copy of Excelsior?

[stone robin]

Anyone may list a tank or some that have multiple shots per clip?

[violet timber]

Any tank with a clip has multiple shots per clip

[oak pollen]

Idk how it perform in battle cuz I didn't get it yet
But it probably can sell for 250 gold, which good for me

[solid gate]

I played it, kinda like Leopard, Titan MK1 and Excelsior having fun and then combine with the tomb and boom, Medjay out

[oak pollen]

Seem interesting

[lilac mica]

Excelsior is literally one of the worst premiums

[solid gate]

Atleast you can change it into Medjay

[onyx raven]

Don’t think that’s how it works

[safe cedar]

Honestly if WG just gave the AMX-30b improved gear oil it would be fine.

[violet timber]

Honestly if WG got rid of super consumables/provisions and left balanced tanks balanced the game would be fine.

[empty helm]

What are super consumables

[solid gate]

Special gimmicky ones only available to certain tanks. Super speed boost, ret cal, shell reload boost, reactive armour are some

[odd drift]

.

[solid gate]

Wait, E 50 M turret cheeks got buffed with PBR? I understood the nominal armour was buffed only to keep effective armour the same due to a decrease in the angle. But now it's no longer penetrable with 300 MM HEAT even on flat ground, definitely a reason to run CS. Don't need a next to impenetrable hull down tank even on flat ground thats also got other great aspects

It should be nerfed back to pre PBR IMO, it was never meant to be a super strong hull down tank and shouldn't be

[safe cedar]

it's not balanced. What in your opinion is the worst tier X medium?

[violet timber]

imo it's the STB

[bright zodiac]

tips for the WZ-121?

[manic carbon]

Really, the same peek-a-boo playstyle you would have adopted with the T-34-2 and the WZ-120.
I recommend running protective kit and the module protection on the equipment since the ammorack/fuel tanks are also quite vulnerable.
I would say the biggest difference compared to the previous tanks is how long the hull is. It is very easy to overexpose your hull, so keep that in mind.

Aside from that, enjoy the damage farming potential

[solid gate]

Hello, which heavy tank and tank destroyer would you recommend for first time?

[pallid flame]

Tiger.

[tulip knot]

E50m is not a hulldown tank

[balmy compass]

it can easily be one

[safe cedar]

You legitimately think STB-1 is the worst tier X medium?

[violet timber]

Yes

[wheat mulch]

E 100 or IS-7 for heavy.

Obj 268 or Ho Ri for TD.

[solid gate]

Ok,thank you

[safe cedar]

What factors would mâke you say the STB-1, the former Meta medium tank, happens to be the worst at tier X?

[wheat mulch]

What do you mean the AMX 30 B is good?

[violet timber]

Mainly the poor mobility

[wheat mulch]

It has poor mobility. Is that it?

From what I recall, it’s practically invincible hulldown and has relatively no weakness being a 1v1 tank.

The only true downside is top speed.

[solid gate]

Amx 30B has excellent mobility, it's turret is semi decent. It's DPM would limit it massively in a 1v1

[violet timber]

Poor top speed, poor p/w ratio comparatively, okay gun stats, meh armor at best

[wheat mulch]

It has mobility. Ok yeah.

It literally has zero armor. And it has one of irl not the biggest crown in the entire game.

The turret is paper too.

[violet timber]

It's mantlet is rather large, giving it better turret armor than you seem to be giving it credit for

[solid gate]

Turret is far from paper, it's mantlet covers it mostly. Biggest weak spot is the cupola, however only half of it is actually a hit skin

[violet timber]

The 30b was discussed a few days ago in this channel, and I honestly can't be bothered to do it again. Scroll up if you wanna see my arguments

[wise moth]

Honestly, I’m inclined to agree with him. There’s just no point in playing an STB. It’s got the 2nd lowest single shooter DPM of all meds/lights, and it’s not particularly fast either.

All it has is the -11 gun depression. Sure you can hulldown, but it can’t really do anything else. It’ll be easily bullied in a fight by any heavy, and lacks the damage dealing capacity to justify itself

[solid gate]

Apologies I saw a conversation on the STB mixed with the 30B, it wasn't clear what was being said about what

[safe cedar]

It has better guns stat than the 30b, it also has an amazing turret.

[violet timber]

It may have better gun stats, but the mobility just holds it back so much

[safe cedar]

It has the 2nd lowest dpm for single shot and still over 200 more than 30b, plus.

[wheat mulch]

What.. are your opponents blind or something?

[safe cedar]

it has a solid turret and amazing flexibility, you don't need to move much if your just hulldown.

[wise moth]

I wouldn’t call the turret solid. The cheeks and cupola are still issues, and if you allow the enemy to aim, they will go through

[violet timber]

When that type 71 starts yoloing you, you'll wish you were in something that could actually run from it lol

[solid gate]

I haven't played it. But trust me in battle it's far better than that looks.

[wise moth]

You have enough turret armor to snapshot with impunity, but that’s the case with most of the combat meds.

[wheat mulch]

I play it. @safe cedar plays it a lot. We can both agree it has zero armor, especially in the turret.

[safe cedar]

if you need to run because you pushed to hard, that's your fault not the tanks.

[wheat mulch]

Why are you frontline again? Why are you on the heavy route alone again?

[safe cedar]

If you allow the enemy to aim at any tank they will go though hence why nobody sits still.

[solid gate]

It's the most solid med turret, small weakspots as long as you don't sit there like an idiot doing nothing. It stays strong vs prammo unlike most other med turrets.

[wheat mulch]

That turret is tiny, yes if you allow your opponents to aim.. what the hell are you saying. You allow your opponents to aim?

[solid gate]

Stb is a fairly front line tank as long as you're hull down, and a lot of type 71s roll with meds. But yeah you shouldn't be unsupported

[violet timber]

I never said you were frontline or that you were on heavy side. Type often push hard on med side because they can absolutely dominate.

[safe cedar]

If à type is pushing med side then that means he likely doesn't have gun depression, here you can abuse your gun depression and dpm to help deal with him.

[wheat mulch]

Never heard that. Type 71’s that want to rush med should play Obj 260 instead. Then there’s a reason why you should scream and complain about mobility.

[violet timber]

Type doesn’t have a problem with gun depression. It may take one shot going over the hill, but then it’s impenetrable to meds.

[safe cedar]

I mean look at vickers light or E-50m, they both have better armour, and have similar top speed to 30b, only sacrificing some gun handling, but in turn both have more dpm.

[solid gate]

Hmm type is great against meds, at least on certain maps. Saying play the obj 260 is not an answer. It's a very different tank that's far harder to use and easier to beat, and not everyone can obtain it

[safe cedar]

With -6° agianst your 11 or 9 you can definitely fight agianst him.

[wheat mulch]

Then any heavy is great against meds that isn’t like E100 or Maus. Because the gun on Type 71 isn’t the greatest.

[wise moth]

That’s not an incorrect statement though

[solid gate]

Type 71 is particularly fantastic though since its so mobile it can't be circled easily, and has amazing armour vs low pen meds thats really great in a brawl

[wheat mulch]

So the original sinario about a Type 71 rush, shouldn’t be just a Type 71. It could be anything with decent mobility. Which is why a lot of mediums fear the Obj 260, it out trades, more HP, ram, amazing accuracy, and the similar mobility as you.

[solid gate]

And fast enough to get to med side without being spotted late on the way and getting wrecked by meds and tds

[wise moth]

You can’t do anything about a supported type 71 in a medium. In a 1v1 in the open, yeah you can circle and destroy him, but if he’s covered you have no choice other than to fall back and find something else to do

[solid gate]

But type can just rush and not worry too much about hp. A 260 can rush but it had better be careful cause a leo 1 will pull it to pieces even if it wins

[safe cedar]

and if fast tanks like 30b with some armour arent allowed to have decent guns, then what is up with vickers light, or E-50m?

[wise moth]

Vickers light has a trash gun for a rotation tank

[safe cedar]

it has good dpm, decent hesh, decent pen, average handling, and on a fast flatform with armour.

[wheat mulch]

And @solid gate, True.

Now let’s say it’s a E6, Yoh, 50 B(maybe not so much), or a IS-7.

[wise moth]

The DPM is trash by current medium standards, the pen is 250/290 which is also pretty bad, and the gun handling is .14/.14, which is disastrously bad for a tier X rotation tank

[safe cedar]

Vickers light has up to 3 times more armour on the frontal upper plate.

[wheat mulch]

Funny that it’s accuracy better than FV4202.

[safe cedar]

if that bad then what is the 30b? Garbage?

[wise moth]

30 b is also terribad

[solid gate]

In which case they're a med but slightly worse, with more armour. But as long as you can pen them without trouble then it's not the end of the world. An E6 is not a tank to rush in lol, it's similar to a chieftain. Not meant to blindly rush like a type can. IS 7 is the closest, but still not as crazy as the type. Yoh is a hull down tank not a brawler

[wise moth]

Accuracy yes, gun handling no. And accuracy is the 4202’s biggest issue

[safe cedar]

if it's so terrible then why do people fight tooth and nail so it doesn't get Buffed? Is it not the worst tier X medium?

[wheat mulch]

wait my argument may be invalid.. because Type and IS-7 are the only fast heavies that are techtree. All the good ones are collector/premium.

[wise moth]

Honestly, I have no idea. 30 b needs a buff. But 30 B is also an inherently difficult tank to balance. There’s a reason 30 b was in testing longer than any other test tank in the game’s history

[wheat mulch]

This entire argument started because someone stated that 30B is very strong.

[safe cedar]

That's why I say all it needs is camo, aimtime, and top speed. Keep it's dpm trash that's what prevents it from competing with leopard. (it could use better heat pen, but that's à différent arguement).

[wise moth]

I think there was a parallel discussion about what people thought was the worst tier X med

[solid gate]

Possibly giving it an autorico upper plate might be a good way out?

[wheat mulch]

Progetto first then 30B, but I agree. And give it back it’s mobility.

[solid gate]

Like progetto and 30ier (although 30ier can be overmatched sometimes)

[safe cedar]

honestly it's not supposed to be "well armoured" and it shouldn't be. The point is à more versatile leopard that loose gun stats for flexibility.

[solid gate]

Progetto does have an autorico upper plate? At least using a bit of depression. And I think the mobility for 30b should be left alone, as positive said it's a difficult tank to balance

[safe cedar]

The Mobility got nerfed from 66kph to 62kph for absolutely no reason by WG, at the very least it needs that back.

[solid gate]

Yeah, so I'm saying keep the armour unreliable, keep the mobility worse than leo, same with the gun. However add some more brawling capability without being in any way reliable though, to add to that flexibility. Otherwise it'll just outshine the leo

[wheat mulch]

Honestly. Just give it 70Kph and call it a day.

[safe cedar]

honestly it just needs mobility, average camo, and aimtime that Is on par with every other tier X medium.

[solid gate]

Aimtime is seriously fine I'm pretty sure.

[safe cedar]

Its like 3.1 maxed, like T-22. 1.9 base I think. which while not bad could be better.

[wise moth]

Honestly, thinking about it, here’s what I would do

I would give 30 B the mobility back to 65km/h, and 750 DPM, 50 more HP, but remove the mantlet armor, and nerf the gun handling down to .14/.14

Make it like a Leopard that’s better up close due to stronger DPM, but that can’t snipe as well due to worse accuracy/pen

[solid gate]

Nooo leave the leo as the top dpm. Pen makes no difference in reality, there's like a difference of 5 maybe

[safe cedar]

That honestly kinda just takes away the playstyle and makes it an awkward leopard imo. I'm also à big lover of gun handling so I biased.

[wise moth]

I’m fully aware that would be taking away its current playstyle. But honestly, I think that’s a good thing. There’s simply not much room in its current niche. It competes directly with the Vickers light, and it only has gun depression and minor mobility advantages over other mediums

[safe cedar]

Fair, but we can agree. It needs something wg has more or less left it in dust.

[wise moth]

I’d agree with that. But really IMO, a lot of the tier X meds could use some radical redefinitions in playstyle to separate themselves. Right now they’re all clumped too tightly together

[woeful pine]

What are some of the best tech trees in WOT Blitz?

[safe cedar]

Japan, Soviet, american.

[woeful pine]

Any tier 10s I should go for? Seems very different from wot PC.

[heavy trellis]

And don’t forget German as well,it’s also a very good tech tree

If you can go for the IS 7

[safe cedar]

I would say go for type 71. I also came from pc, biggest thing is learning to be more aggressive it plays like the lower tiers of pc tbh.

[woeful pine]

yea Im very experienced dw

[safe cedar]

That's cool, I'm just telling you the gameplay is more fluid than pc. Don't take it the wrong way.

[woeful pine]

yea I like 7vs7 its also on PC atm and very fun

And yep started going for the Type 71 someone also mentioned it and since it does not exist on wot PC might be fun playing the tech tree

[crimson herald]

Do someone have titan-54?
I forget the name, U know the one with a special armor mechanic thing, tell how this works, please ;-;

[daring merlin]

Activate button and plates move into pike nose

[thorn folio]

Press the ability, armor activates and moves towards the front giving you hella turret armor, and you also take 10% less damage

[crimson herald]

Intresting

[misty wing]

Just give the 30b an autoloader so it can go be French

[solid gate]

what t57 heavy is for you guys?

[misty wing]

?

[violet timber]

Well its the t57 Heavy

[hot ingot]

china got no bad tech tree

[safe cedar]

True

[misty wing]

the entire heavy line is bad except for the tier 10
tier 7 TD is quite bad imo, some people say the tier 9 is bad too

[pallid flame]

oh

[hot ingot]

the tier 8 heavy is so horrible but all 3 tier tens are realy solid

[misty wing]

I thought this thing would be easy to ace ;-;

[wheat mulch]

Yeah I gave up on Kuromine.

30B fixed it within 8 matches.

[misty wing]

bruh that's literally no1 on the HoF

it has 3 players too -_-

[balmy compass]

Outstanding ace bar

[misty wing]

is this my tank

[balmy compass]

You got the Catgirl avatar? Nice

[misty wing]

wonder how the CdA is

[balmy compass]

I wish the O-47 was easier to ace

[wheat mulch]

I wish T1E6 was easier to ace.

[misty wing]

ok cda is hard to ace

[balmy compass]

I played around in tier VI in old battlepass tanks and couldn’t ace them 💀
I’m prob going to end up getting some silver and free xp from the crate at the end of the event anyway

[misty wing]

I tried the charles, enforcer, and titan-150

I think I'm gonna stick with Panther/M10 and Super Hellcat
Tier 7 is probably the best bet

[balmy compass]

I tried the Triumphant lol

[wheat mulch]

Best tanks are tier 10

[misty wing]

I wish I didn't sell the Barkhan Expedition

[wheat mulch]

Like Obj 260, 30B, Consept1B, or AMX 54, the ace bar is so low you barely have to do anything.

[balmy compass]

The only thing going for that is the African themed camo imo 💀

[tulip knot]

just get it back

[wheat mulch]

Another easy tank to ace would be T-44. Because who the hell plays that.

[balmy compass]

You would think the O-47 would be easy to ace but it isn’t 💀

[wheat mulch]

People love spamming it at certain times.

[balmy compass]

I do that fairly often

[misty wing]

You would think a tank with 3 players would be easy to ace, but it isn't

[balmy compass]

You would think you can get an ace

[wheat mulch]

Then play light tanks peeps.

Ace tankers aren’t about damage nor kills, it’s about xp, and the highest yield for xp is spotting and assist.

technically, just running around the map spotting everyone and tracking them should give an easy ace, which is true..

[balmy compass]

We know
Luchs makes for easy aces but I sold that because I sealclubbed too much

[wheat mulch]

What’s wrong with sealclubbing? I still after 8 years. And don’t plan on stopping.

[balmy compass]

I don’t like the sealcubbing badge on my blitzstars 💀
And a few people here frown alot on sealclubbing too

[wheat mulch]

Hell, the hardest tank to ace in the entire game is T1E6.

[misty wing]

I don't even know what that tank is and idk why you keep bringing it up

[misty wing]

it's incredibly boring

[wheat mulch]

T1E6, tier 2 American light.

The thing about it is, it used to have the highest credit co in the entire game of 271%

But with its amazing gun and small silhouette it was pretty much a Sealclubbers dream.

[wheat mulch]

For me any tier that isn’t tier 3 or 2 is boring.

[misty wing]

oh so you like pre-war tanks that suck at everything

[daring merlin]

Seal clubbing is like picking fights with kindergarten kids, then feeling like a tuff guy

[wheat mulch]

I just like tiny tanks with no ability to trade effectively.

[misty wing]

tiny tanks usually look hideous
that's why I hate light tanks

[solid gate]

Well going to restore my T-44-100 asap then 💀

[wheat mulch]

Honestly low tier is harder than you think, unlike high tier where you can have armor and a variety of guns with varying power.

Low tier is stuck with pretty much everyone having the same stats with a different shaped hull.

And you don’t have armor not HP to depend on to trade with.

It’s all about strategy and not stats at that point, you deal this amount of damage and that’s it. You have this amount of HP and that’s it.

With everyone having short reloads, your doomed if you try to 1v1 and then fight someone afterwards..

Honestly low tier puts your mechanics to the test.

[solid gate]

On the other hand, I never have an easier time 1vs3 in low tier

[misty wing]

Honestly low tier is harder than you think, unlike high tier where you can have armor and a variety of guns with varying power. Low tier is stuck with pretty much everyone having the same stats with a different shaped hull. And you don’t have armor not HP to depend on to trade with.

nah the opposite is true. Strategy is more important when everyone is different, skill is more important when everyone is the same

[wheat mulch]

True, but then again, your tank doesn’t have a role anymore, unlike other tiers.

[misty wing]

which means the game is more braindead if there's one less variable to consider

[wheat mulch]

Pretty much a lawless land of who ever is smarter lives longer.

In my lobbies of low tier, I rarely fight new players. Most of them are M5 stuart champions.

[balmy compass]

Just go snipe from a bush and yet your teamates take all the damage 💀

[solid gate]

Uhh it gives half the XP as you would have got if you had actually dealt the damage, so no it’s not the highest

[wheat mulch]

But if they don’t do their part they die and you’re one tank down, at a huge disadvantage.

As WG once said, no matter how much HP they are on, the gun still deals full damage.

[solid gate]

If anything, a low HP WILL deal more damage with ar skill

[balmy compass]

Yeah, but they’ll all brawl the enemy team enough so you can swoop in later and finish them off with some smart moves

[wheat mulch]

In other words, low tier is basically and literally everyone being a light tank. You die fast and you kill fast.

[misty wing]

No, you kill very slowly in low tier and that's why it's boring

[balmy compass]

The end goal of low tiers is to HP conserve the most 💀

[wheat mulch]

My matches never last more than 2 minutes.

[balmy compass]

That too, it is boring being a peashooter all the time

[misty wing]

average ttk is far higher in low tier than high tier if all shots pen
and that's because everyone is new/bad at the game so they just yolo and die

[wheat mulch]

But rarely I fight new players. Most have 8k+ battles

[balmy compass]

Fellow clubbers 💀
Or perhaps they wish to club the actual clubbers

[misty wing]

that probably means they couldn't compete in high tier and dropped back down (bad players)

[wheat mulch]

Not really, @balmy compass got it right, we know other clubbers are good, so it will be a good fight.

[solid gate]

And they’re a very weird mix of experience and very bad game knowledge in a way, low tiers ugh lol

[balmy compass]

or you could just view sealclubbing as an insane team carry

[wheat mulch]

Most of my sealclubbing fights are highly skilled, I will not joke around when I tell you we had someone trying their damn hardest to shoot out of spotting range when it was down to a 1v2.

[balmy compass]

That’s great and all but why not do that at higher tiers, where you are less likely to beat up a newb who just started

[misty wing]

There's just never a way to outplay enemies who know what they're doing in low tier
you can't abuse your med's speed to circle a slow enemy TD
you can't abuse your turret armor to hulldown farm
you can't abuse your alpha or clip damage to outtrade people
It's mostly based on lucky timings and gambles

[wheat mulch]

The thing is, I get E 100 players with 80K+ battles and platinum rating sitting in a bush with no camo.

[misty wing]

the only thing you can "abuse" is the enemy having downloaded the game 2 hours ago and they're completely clueless

[balmy compass]

You could just play tier VI or something, don’t need to go all the way up to X

[solid gate]

Or the weirdly low ace bar despite full of seal clubber and bot that refuse to kill you

[wheat mulch]

Low ace bar? T1E6 requireds literally every metal in the game for a 2nd class.

[balmy compass]

Ace bars are goofy in low tiers

[misty wing]

we get that you have a fetish for the T1E6, you can stop talking about it now

[balmy compass]

Example
You would think this would at least earn first class

[solid gate]

I'm not a good player, but even I can do an Ace in Hetzer in less than 1h in prime time

[misty wing]

I remember that tank being described as a "tier 3 maus" at one point
maybe it was for PC, but it's still funny

[wheat mulch]

You have the Chinese which are like 300 damage and barely doing anything, the you have stuff like T-127 requiring spotting everything and dealing more than 90% of the total teams HP

[wheat mulch]

Pz II J and Pz 38h are nicknamed “Mini Maus” been named that for years and years..

[balmy compass]

I was told it had the nickname of “Mini Maus” 😂
Too bad the armor is really paper anyway and the mobility feels worse then the Maus itself

It’s a literal nightmare to play Middleburg on that map 💀
You will spend half the game going up that mountain

[misty wing]

ngl I kinda want to see a mode that's the opposite of ratings
You have to use the absolute stock/worst modules
Tier 9 max

[wheat mulch]

NOOOOOOO

Stock ST-1 is the worst idea ever.

[balmy compass]

Ru-251 will dominate lol
The top gun is the stock gun

[misty wing]

you like playing tier 2, you're probably used to slow tanks with bad guns already

[wheat mulch]

I prefer anything that isn’t slow. I simply can’t stand them.

[solid gate]

Foch

[misty wing]

I once had my driver down + engine damaged in the T28 and I purposefully didn't repair them because I wanted the experience of being extraordinarily slow

[solid gate]

Repair driver?

[brave juniper]

50% crew stock motor AT line is very slow at like 7-10kmh, although never the 1-5 it supposedly should go at

[balmy compass]

Just play with stock engine 💀
It takes 2 years to do a 180

[wheat mulch]

I do that sometimes when you get to experience 50% crew for only one time.

But I’m a light tank enjoyer soooo

[misty wing]

I'm pretty sure I was already stock

[balmy compass]

You start sliding down the hill ☠️

[wheat mulch]

Best quote about the stock T28 experience is:

“It’s so slow that the earth rotates faster.”

[misty wing]

Ho-Ri Type II is also absurdly slow when stock

[balmy compass]

I’m glad I didn’t have to work with that, nearly finished with the Ho-Ri grind

[misty wing]

because the stock engine is 220hp down from the top one

[wheat mulch]

Have you peeps seen a Kranvagn with damaged pretty much everything?

[balmy compass]

Not Kran specifically

[misty wing]

wait T95 stock engine has 440hp LMAO

[balmy compass]

I dunno why I remember playing T28 stock but not T95 stock

[brave juniper]

Not kran but i have a Russian med tank

[misty wing]

I'm pretty sure I played stock 50% T95 once just for the lols
with the 105mm gun

[solid gate]

And Conway/SU-152 too, it stock gun is the thing of beauty

[misty wing]

I guess they should have a ban list of good stock tanks like RU and SU-152

[balmy compass]

“Guys I’m stuck on this slight incline”
“Pls help I can’t move”

[wheat mulch]

The fact stock Conway is straight better than the 600 alpha gun is crazy.

[misty wing]

hey it's probably better than playing the M46 with the tier V derp gun when it had it

[balmy compass]

I wasn’t around here when that was a thing

[solid gate]

@wheat mulch At that point it is less of a stock gun but more of an alternative playstyle

[misty wing]

blitz one had lower alpha I'm fairly certain, but it's a yikes lmfao

[wheat mulch]

Like why.

[balmy compass]

That is terrible pen for tier IX lol

[misty wing]

can't even go through the sides and rear of many heavies dead on

[solid gate]

Because funni HESH go brrrt /s
Not really, Cent doing HESH better

[misty wing]

50% more alpha is no joke and with hesh it's even better

[wheat mulch]

Remember when T34 and IS-4 where tier 9 heavy tanks? And when IS-4 was moved to tier 10 it still had the IS gun as a stock gun.

[wheat mulch]

But the hesh pen is worse lol

[misty wing]

I wasn't around for that
started blitz around 2016 november, but I do watch mostly PC content so I know they were a thing

[balmy compass]

I was told back then the IS-6 could easily beat the IS-7

[solid gate]

But you only need to peak once to do 600 damage?

[wheat mulch]

MT-25 used to be every tank no matter what tier worst nightmare.

[solid gate]

Ngl, I use derp gun on Conway, feel way safer doing that

[lilac mica]

this

[wheat mulch]

But the dpm… but big gun is fun.

[solid gate]

? The IS 6 had preferential MM so couldn’t face tier ten unless it platooned, and even then I’m not sure if it could

[misty wing]

having to peek less is a huge advantage when you don't have armor

[balmy compass]

Conway has troll armor tho

[wheat mulch]

You peeps want me to read off a bunch of old stuff?

Like the fact tier 1 was meta in tournaments.

[lilac mica]

If you have the IS-6 we can try

[misty wing]

No, not really

[solid gate]

Only the manlet, but I bounce rd with it so troll indeed

[solid gate]

Just the gun mantlet, it’s quite large

[balmy compass]

Nah, I know it can’t pen a single thing on the IS-7 💀

[lilac mica]

LMAO F

[misty wing]

I'm pretty sure the conway didn't even have the derp gun at one point and it was a joke
and the FV4005 used to have only 45 degrees of turret rotation to each side, like the 183

[solid gate]

*ammoracks first APCR shot *

[lilac mica]

lol
somehow I thought this was general here

[wheat mulch]

Wait wait.. you peeps wanna hear the worst stock tank ever to exist?

[balmy compass]

wheeze

[brave juniper]

Conway always had the derp gun wym

[misty wing]

in PC

[solid gate]

I was not around the time of that, but wasn't WoT PC used to have tourmanent format where your team combine tier not exceed certain value, and they use low tier mostly for scouting

[lilac mica]

pee cee

[wheat mulch]

Behold the old stock ARL V39, the thing had a tier 3 gun at tier 6. Yes. A TD. That can’t even pen a Chaffee.

[brave juniper]

Sir this is wotb

[misty wing]

we're kind of talking about PC

[brave juniper]

🗿

[wheat mulch]

It’s hard to talk about WoTB’s past as it wasn’t as interesting as WoTPC

[misty wing]

yep it was added fairly recently too

[wheat mulch]

Did you know they got rid of the path from T-34 to SU-85?

[misty wing]

well it was like 5 years ago, but it's "recent" considering the lifespan of PC

[solid gate]

Yeah, it was during T-100 LT line?

[wheat mulch]

Yup.. weird tho tbh. It wasn’t harming anything but I guess it was awkward for the Techtree where they wanted to put the heavies..

The fact KV-2 was supposed to be connected to the SU-152..

[misty wing]

KV-2 was/is connected to an arty on PC

[solid gate]

Ngl, I want WG to buff BL 5.5 standard HE, like in both alpha and pen

[wheat mulch]

actually speaking of KVs.. where the hell is my Destroyer of Hopes and dreams gun on the KV-1?

[solid gate]

You mean the neuter 122mm howitzer?

[wheat mulch]

No.. the 57mm.

2 sec reload with 187mm of pen. 90 alpha.

Next Imma remake the Pharaoh because this thing has nothing going for it.

[thorny smelt]

In WoT PC then yes it is

[opaque flicker]

T30 or T95

Personally, I gotta go with T30..

It's a bit faster, has nearly the same tier X gun, a 360 turret with armor, a troll cupola, and is overall a fun tank to play considering you can play it like a heavy.

Now I know T95 has a troll cupola aswell as extremely good armor and weight, and a bit more health.. but I have to pick T30

What are y'alls opinions?

[misty wing]

never played the T30 but I love the T95

[opaque flicker]

Imagine a 155mm T29

It is really fun to play, I like the fact it has a turret but keeps a 14.5 second reload with the way i equipped it

Although I do wish it had more shell velocity, its really slow for a TD

[rigid thunder]

The T30 is absolutely amazing, the huge alpha with a 360 turret, decent mobility, coupled with some armour is something else. Sure the T95 has the funny meme factor, but the T30 is leagues ahead in being significantly more fun to play.

[oak pollen]

How to play chaffee effectively?

[livid moss]

Is 4005 good?

[wise moth]

Yes. You sit behind a corner, wait for an enemy to wander into the open to the point where they can't escape, and then you pop clip boost and accuracy boost and nuke them for 1640

[misty wing]

They should give it an alternative gun option that's a 2 shot version of the conway's gun

[nova sundial]

the nightmare is just terrible it has bad pen and shell velocit

[dapper violet]

Use… The… HE… become kv-2 of tier V

[empty helm]

And then suffer from prammo pen

[thorny smelt]

BESH gun? I'm all for it

[empty helm]

Why t-34-2 in PC looks so op

[dapper violet]

The Japanese heavies look op- there’s funky things like arty there

[rigid thunder]

Its an okay tank, I have no idea what you're smoking lol

[empty helm]

122mm gun with 12sec reload and 212 pen is op for a mt

[scarlet kernel]

Wg released a new vid on top 5 tier X newbie friendly. So i thought it would be fun sharing my vers. By newbie friendly on tier X i assume it's players who got their first TX and not someone who still have no idea how to play

Firstly, jgpzE100 i think it's top there, im not sure what rank but it's there, so let's just say 5th for the time being
4th would be either T110E3 or E100
3rd Wz-121
2nd 60TP
1st Type 71

[safe cedar]

E-100 isnt very noob friendly tbh. You have to understand armour mechanics.

[empty helm]

E-75 is more noob friendly

[thorny smelt]

I have mixed feelings about this ranking

[violet timber]

Not exactly. With the armor buff, it can actually face its opponents and still have solid armor on the turret. It also has a gun that lets it trade, which is better for new players

[rigid thunder]

It also has a severe lack of gun dep and god awful gun handling, so not really

[azure glade]

Is there other control options for mobile device?

[rigid thunder]

(also that's under 2k dpm, which is kinda pathetic)

[empty helm]

Well 3.2 aiming time for the awful gun handling
And ofc it's a tiny version of the t-54 so no gun dep

[scarlet kernel]

I mean it's atleast have thick armor and a big gun, so my thought is that even if they haven't learn fully the E100 armor they could still do fairly well with it

[scarlet kernel]

[empty helm]

400dmg and 1800 is still better than IS-3

[thorny smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/jinkx-monsoon-ru-pauls-drag-race-drag-queen-smile-gif-17910768

[violet timber]

No, no it is not.

[empty helm]

That's t-34-3 not t-34-2

[scarlet kernel]

They are talking about t-34-2 and on PC

[violet timber]

Bruh

[empty helm]

Well thanks for participating

[thorny smelt]

@empty helm This one, right? I installed gun rammer just in case

[empty helm]

y e s

[thorny smelt]

Here's the one with 122 mm gun, and I'd say it is better. At least on paper.

[rigid thunder]

Look at that bloom, it's horrendous. 0.41 disp as well??

[empty helm]

And 2.78 aiming

[rigid thunder]

Yeah, garbage

The hull is also paper, but at least the turret is worth something

[empty helm]

Ofc it's paper because it's a mt

[rigid thunder]

Not all mts have paper hulls you know?

[empty helm]

most of them

[rigid thunder]

Yeah, and the fact that the T-34-2 falls under the category "most of them" isn't a good thing

Don't get me wrong, the T-34-2 is good, but with tanks like the cs52/T-44-100, bourrasque and the progetto 46, its a very balanced tank

[empty helm]

So a very balanced tank = a good tank

[rigid thunder]

Basically

Because tier 8 mts are saturated with stuff that's flat out op (46, bourrasque), good tanks are balanced in comparison

[late thistle]

is balanced in this context underpowered?

[pulsar sinew]

Overpowered*

[broken turtle]

why sheriff cupola is so thick now
normally anything around 260mm can already penetrate it
now 300 pen can't even touch it
why is it the case? I don't remember it got buff anytime recently

[solid gate]

Did I actually see you mention the T 44 100 as OP or very good? It's a pretty bad tank. Basically gets the worst of both worlds from the T 44 and T 54 Mod 1

[violet timber]

It really just depends on where you hit it

[broken turtle]

tiger 2 with 285mm apcr pen, cupola full red

played a week ago, first thought as a highlight/model mistake, but during some recent play i saw even naked t26e5 has the same properties, so not from the camo
shooting to the cupola won't make it pen anyway

[fiery stone]

Hi guys. Does anyone know when the new Italian tds are being released into the game

[fierce abyss]

T32 turret in Blitz (first pic) and in Wot pc (second)

These part relatively the thickest part of each

[empty helm]

9.4 I think

[oak pollen]

Probably 9.4

[solid gate]

Why vk 72.01K so ez to pen with prim ammo and the realod so long 16.5sec

[safe cedar]

WG needs to buff (insert random French tank here).

[limber berry]

Vk 71?

[odd cove]

it's prammo.. ofc it's gonna pen

[woeful pine]

what would you get if you have to pick 1? Bat Chat or 50B?

[safe cedar]

50b

[opaque ocean]

7%?

[thorn folio]

stares at E-100

[empty helm]

Very low quality

[rotund crater]

Is the fv215b 183 worth the grind?

[plucky summit]

Sure, if you enjoy 183 itself

[novel current]

just hit 100k XP out of 215k for the M48... if i keep up this pace, i might actually have my first Tier X by next Friday

[misty wing]

I hope you maxed out your M46 now

[novel current]

i got the gun, turret, and first engine. Im just gonna save the rest for the M48 since im most likely gonna sell my M46 to be able to buy the Patton later

and i just got a Scavenger from a Collect Them All crate. I have so many gold boosters right now that i was able to get one with gold

[lyric copper]

bro dont sell tanks for tanks unless you have no garage slots

[novel current]

why?

[solid gate]

I always sell tanks I've done the grind for, unless I really enjoyed them and I'm gonna play them

Never ever sell tier tens of course

[novel current]

yeah. doesn't make sense to keep them if you finished the grind

[solid gate]

However you should keep one tank for each tier at least

[misty wing]

idk why you wouldn't sell most tech tree tanks tbh

[novel current]

good point. only tier that i don't have a tank in my hanger still is 6

[solid gate]

If you want to play them later then it's a super bad decision. But yeah I'll always need credits so I don't bother keeping them unless I really enjoy them

[misty wing]

tbh I haven't wanted to play any of them lmao
tier 10 is just so much better

[solid gate]

Not too bad. Maybe spend the time grinding credits to keep your tier nine then, it's better than grinding for it later at double the price

[solid gate]

Lol. Well mostly the same, a couple of exceptions though.

[misty wing]

just get a battlepass tank for tier 6

[solid gate]

Costs money pretty sure airwolf is f2p

[novel current]

im not a fan of the M46. Im just grinding to to get to the M48

[solid gate]

Yeah. But keep it if it's your only tier nine

[novel current]

good point

[solid gate]

What's your Opinion about the VK 30.01 D?

[misty wing]

meh

[novel current]

oh god i barely remember playing that thing when i was going the Panther route and stopped at the Panther II

[solid gate]

Yea

It's average. A decent tank, not great, not horrible. Nothing special. Just play it and forget about it, you won't spend much time on it cause it's only tier vi

I just got the Panther

That's why I played him

That's a pretty good tank. Certainly more interesting than the vk

Yea

[prisma gulch]

Does anyone know if modern vehicles are coming to WoTB?

[pulsar sinew]

No.

[prisma gulch]

I hope they do. I love the Pattons, but I want my Abrams

[wise moth]

No smoothbore guns, and no composite armor

[prisma gulch]

Dang

[novel current]

There is a World of Tanks Modern Armor, but it's only for console

[prisma gulch]

I know of Modern armor, and it’s the reason I asked. I want to know if I’ll be able to pull up in an abrams on my phone

[novel current]

if anything, it could happen on PC

[prisma gulch]

I think it will happen on PC eventually

I was gonna say that PC will add them on the 10th anniversary, and that’s when I saw that WoT came out in 2010

[wise moth]

WoT’s 10th anniversary has already passed

[prisma gulch]

Yeah, I saw that. But they might do it for WoTB… I know they’ll do something big

[nocturne bronze]

Can the Lorraine 40t be considered a rare tank?

[wise moth]

Nah, it’s been sold several times already (and at fairly low prices too)

[nocturne bronze]

I have about 12 aces on it had it for about ~2 years now
And i just got an ace last week with just 4.2k dmg

[wise moth]

https://blitzanalysiz.com/update/9.2/tanks/figure/fig_tanks_all_least_popular-1.svg

Here are the universally least played tanks according to blitzanalysiz for update 9.2

Most of them are low tiers and test tanks tho

[balmy compass]

why so many T2 med players

[nocturne bronze]

Thnx
i already saw those, i think people avoid it because its like a prog46 in playstyle requiring a lot of skill
I can tell you that (i suffered for about 20 matches before i got used to it 😂)

[solid gate]

Perfect thanks, lot of people need this 👌

[wise moth]

I would go to blitzanalysiz directly and just browse the the graphs for each tier (I’m too lazy to post each with the slow mode) since the overall list isn’t too useful for most people ace chasing for the event

Because most of the tanks on the overall list are test tanks, or are too low tier to count

[nocturne bronze]

cough also ultra rare premiums

[solid gate]

Yeah cheers, well personally I didn't bother but just opened them at 7% lol. But thanks. A few battles at 20% WR in the su 85b was enough of a struggle for an Ace lol, plus a 4.7k first class in the leo soon after the event started 🙃

[solid gate]

Is blitz analysis blitz stars btw?

[nocturne bronze]

Got an ace in the Lorraine just a day before it 😂

[solid gate]

Oof, tough luck.

[thick trout]

Nah they are different sites, blitzanalysiz has much better performance stats but blitzstars has tank stats for comparison

[solid gate]

Ah ok cheers, wasn't sure if they were connected.

[wise moth]

Here’s my short recommendation list though (tried to include one tech tree tank for each tier)
Tier VI: VK 30.02M; Sherman Jumbo; ARL V39
Tier VII: KV-13; T20
Tier VIII: Lansen; T77;
Tier IX: AE Phase I; Object 752; M46 Patton
Tier X: Not sure. Lots of tier X prems have been sold recently for gold, so the blitzanalysiz data is a little dated

[lyric copper]

TVP VTU iirc is a good ace tank

[wise moth]

Most of the tech tree tier 8 meds are pretty decent for aces. 3k aces most of them

[solid gate]

Iirc the skoda T 50 in tier nine is also quite good

[wise moth]

Scratch that. Not just tech tree meds. Most tier 8 meds period. Excluding maybe the Bourrasque because it’s broken

[lyric copper]

Prog 46, Cent 5, Chimera, Def Mk.1

[violet timber]

The GSOR is a good tank for aces if you have it

[thick trout]

Are the T77 and 752 actually that easy to ace? There may be a tiny playerbase but they are very easy to do very well in so getting better than 99% of people's best sounds like it might be very difficult for most people. I don't really have any first hand experience to justify this at all so it's just what I'm guessing

[solid gate]

Pffff not really? I couldn't get an Ace with 4k in a tier eight TD, going front line. I need to play tier eight meds. But also I'm pretty certain it's closer to 4k, unless you get a ton of assist. I should try for 3k in the mod 1 and see

[tulip knot]

I recommend armored warfare

[wise moth]

I can’t confirm for 752, but I’ve got 4 in my T77 in 28 battles (7 battles per ace), which is a super high ace rate

Anything even close to 1 ace in 10 battles is beyond insane

[prisma gulch]

Tried and played. Just not the same… I’ve also tried war Thunder… and I don’t feel like selling my soul for an in-game tank

[brave juniper]

Just use the JG Tig (2015) u can ace it at 3k dmg

[wise moth]

Tier 8 TDs can be tough to ace because it’s relatively easy to have huge games in them

[brave juniper]

I got my aces in just 12 battles 🤔

[wise moth]

Like 3k in a tier 8 med can take some work, but a good farm game in like a Skorpion can be like 5.5k easy

[solid gate]

CDA can get the ace badge with 1070Exp. on the Asia server.

[brave juniper]

JG Tig has like3.5k dpm, it's really not that hard with a 6s reload for a 350 alpha

[solid gate]

The Ace bar went up massively yesterday though, cause people realised (apparently).
@wise moth yeah true, still I was very surprised seeing as it was the jpanther 2 which performs terribly, and also most people would snipe with it and lose XP

[brave juniper]

Oh it did? Huh well not many people have the tank so i guess that could happen

[thick trout]

I'd imagine they are in pretty similar situations but ty for the info 👍

[solid gate]

Yeah, well I don't have it but apparently it rose enough to be noticeable lol

[brave juniper]

🤷 it shouldn't be that much high, it's not like the tank is godly

[solid gate]

I'm sure it's still very low. But because it's just another rarer version of a not particularly popular or easy to play tank it started off insanely low I believe.

[brave juniper]

Oh it did, my first ace was actually at 2.8k dmg, and it rose to around 3k by the time I was done

So i guess the few hundred who had it played it

[solid gate]

2.8k base XP seems pretty high though tbh (joke)

Sorry to make you edit that LOL

[winter hollow]

What's your opinion about the T-34-1? (this question is for anyone who wants to answer)

I think it's one of the best teir 7 mediums

[lyric copper]

its alright

[winter hollow]

Why do you say that?

[brave juniper]

Because it's alright

[winter hollow]

OK. I was hoping for a more specific answer.

[brave juniper]

Well, it's not overpowered, it's not weak, the hull is weak, it has a small profile, the strongest turret for a tier 7 that even 275mm's of heat can't pen and it's okay in regards to mobility with a decent gun

[solid gate]

I think it's the best tier vii med too, strong turret, easy to hull down in with the low profile, great little gun with nice alpha, decent mobility.

[winter hollow]

That's what I think of it too. It's actually #7 out of all tier meds rn in Blitz Starz
I absolutely love playing that thing and the Svear. The alpha is really nice and the HE is a lots of fun once you learn where most tier 7's can be HE'd

[misty wing]

I just can't seem to enjoy any tier 7
not even the helsing and drac

[drowsy crest]

is the tank rank thing worth it?

[violet timber]

No

[blissful hamlet]

I don't think the 752 is that easy to ace, i remember getting around 5.4k dmg and no ace

[safe cedar]

1 month ago it was was easy

[blissful hamlet]

Well, i don't know about the EU server, but on NA the ace baf was pretty high

[safe cedar]

AMX 30b is extremely easy to ace, atleast until 30b spam started.

[brave juniper]

The -insert tank name- was to easy to ace, until the -insert tank name- spam started.

[novel current]

Finally... After 5 years of torment and adrenaline rushes, the wins and the losses... I finally got my very first Tier X, and it's the vehicle that I thought i would never get. Im so happy right now!

[brave juniper]

The only one exempt from that is the 0.05% chance to get tank from the battle pass that like less than 100 people own, well prob more by now

Ggs, my first t10 took me 2 years to get back when this game was a hell to play, when seeing red credits was a regular thing with tech tree tanks and no premium acc 🗿

[blissful hamlet]

My first t10 took me almost one year
2020

[brave juniper]

In which year 👀

Ah, 2020 already had the x2-5 certs, you could farm a t10 in a month or two, now it's just 1 week or two, or less if u have some FXP certs around or discount ones 🤔

[blissful hamlet]

Yeah but i always spent my fxp on that time, i was dumb and didn't use prammo and provisions

[brave juniper]

Bruh moment, don't blame u though when I started every t5-9 was a hell to play since pen values were smaller for their guns and the armor was similar to nowadays, not comparable to say type 71 though but still is4 levels for most upper tier tanks u fought against or even some similar tier tanks, like the old is6 gun vs Lowe is the perfect example of what it was like playing while using a stock kv4 or st-i, both of which were tanks that made me cry literally 😩

And gold shells were still only "gold" shells u couldn't use them with creds 🗿

So it took me a long while to farm creds without prem time and since they didn't even do as many events monthly it was not that fun to play, but i was persistent and managed to get is4, then took a 2 years break and enjoyed the game after coming back lol

[tulip knot]

I was stupid and went for the Leo 1 as my first t10. Ruined my stays playing the Leo pta for 350 games

[brave juniper]

Happens

[safe cedar]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[oak pollen]

Mine took 6month

[misty wing]

Kpz 50T might be the most overrated tier 10 tbh
I find all my other meds far more enjoyable to play

[ember jolt]

5 years to grind that?? Good lord

[odd cove]

good job

[novel current]

To be fair, I did take a 1-2 year break, and before that, I had to start from scratch after I lost the details to my old account

[mellow lantern]

I took a 7 month break

[ember jolt]

Ouch, that must have sucked big time

[oak pollen]

But 3-4 years is still long time to grind t10

[novel current]

I remember coming back after and noticing all the changes to the trees and new tanks and I thought "This isn't the same game I left behind"

[ember jolt]

I havent even started grinding much of tier 7 yet cuz i mostly play my premium tanks😅

[odd cove]

free credits

[novel current]

Lol I remember when I first started playing, the Lt.r was the German tier 1 before the Pz II took over

[ember jolt]

Now im hooked on the Pharaoh and i havent stopped playing it since i got it and also bought the camo for it earlyer today

[pallid flame]

me too, but now it got boring

[ember jolt]

Lol onto the second tank we got then until we get bored of that and then we play our premium tanks again

[pallid flame]

I’m just waiting for the new tds at this point

[ember jolt]

Oh same here, im gonna grind those td,s hard everyday when they get released. They look kinda weird in tier 5 and 6 but then they look cooler after those. But they all still look cool in theyr own way

[pallid flame]

Yeah they have a strange design but they still look cool, well for me. I’m probably going to skip tier 5 and 6. Not interested

[odd cove]

they traverse pretty slow at the high tiers

[ember jolt]

7 and 8 is my go to for sure, 5 and 6 will probably be just tanks i will play from time to time for fun

[pallid flame]

yeah, that’s kinda balancing it

I really like the tier 9 and 10 because of the alpha, but again the tier 9 traverse sucks

[odd cove]

the weakness if it's hulldown is the small slit of a cupola if you can hit it

[ember jolt]

People say that the armour on the tier 9 and 10 are stupid cuz of how almost impossible it is to pen if u face it straight ahead

[pallid flame]

Yeah it’s honestly stupid

[ember jolt]

I saw it in testing when a Youtuber played it and was against someone else in the same tier 10 and it was all red all over the front

[odd cove]

the pennable part of the lower plate is a squared rectangle

[ember jolt]

And thats pretty stupid when its a TD cuz they normally have zero armor

[odd cove]

t110e3

[misty wing]

Object 268/4
Jag E100

[ember jolt]

Well im off to bed, cya

[tulip knot]

Bassotto looks pretty good

[timid wharf]

What’s the opinion on the pharaoh
Having played 15 or so games in it I think it’s actually quite balanced. It’s relatively thin armour makes it very bad against t8 heavies and tds but good against mediums and lights. Most t7 struggle to pen it and t6 get crushed

[long needle]

nyeh not really that good,but i liked it

[timid wharf]

Yeah, it’s similar to the gravedigger, great against equal and lower tiers but really bad against higher tiers

[long needle]

anyway,is anyone know when will the GSOR came out again?

[novel current]

just saw the dynamic armor function for the Titan H-Nd and my god, it is literally "Im done playing games, boi."

[misty wing]

Just load pramo

[novel current]

i meant the looks. I saw it in a chill custom battle and just the way it unfolds gives me chills

[solid gate]

OBJ260 is good tank to get?

[hot ingot]

no

[oak pollen]

Idk
But I think is7 is better

[solid gate]

Yep, IS 7 is better and easier.

Finally there is some African continent tank in game . The Pharaoh tank , they must be happy now . Actually two as the Medjay also.

[wise moth]

The M4 FL/10 is Egyptian as well

[empty helm]

M4A1 Revalorisé is Israeli so that counts

[vale mortar]

0 hull armor

[foggy spire]

The T95e6 is straight up better than the Obj 260. Better DPM, pen, and gun depression.

[sleek apex]

The m48 and the m60 has the urdan cupola so they can be counted as the israeli magachs (without the era blocks)

[solid gate]

They need own flag on those

Hey, the medjay is broke, yes or no¿

[empty helm]

Too op for tier 5 tanks
Pretty penneable to tier 6 tanks
Too weak for tier 7 tanks

[solid gate]

yea

[empty helm]

just like any other tier 6 tanks

[solid gate]

It's a tier V...

[opaque flicker]

Behold, a Sherman variant that decided it wasnt going to bounce any shots off of anything, because the designers put a god damn railgun on it

Also I'm confused on why the German tech tree line started at the Pz. II F and not the Pz. I A

[rotund crater]

Is the is4 worth the grind ?

[opaque flicker]

Armor, hitpoints, average gun, and slow maneuverability

[rotund crater]

What about the AMX 50b?

[lyric copper]

average gun?

[solid gate]

is4 has an okay gun, high heat pen but that's it

[opaque flicker]

Yes, average for Tier X, it's a heavy gun, nothing special

[solid gate]

@Wargaming please this tank come back game

[cyan oracle]

Which one should I choose 2 shell gun or 3 shell for MVYoh?

[violet timber]

2 shell

[onyx raven]

It was done by France though and I think that’s what WG was looking for

[onyx raven]

Eh, France prototyped it and offered it to Israel. Also Israel is an Asian country

[safe cedar]

Isreal isn't in africa...

[limber berry]

💀

[neat nimbus]

Wait how?

[plucky summit]

What do you mean how?

Isreal is in the Middle East, which is part of Asia. Doesn’t Africa stop at the right border of Egypt?

[tulip knot]

Idk it doesn’t really have any other reason to be it’s own continent other than size

[hollow notch]

Its not nearly as big as a flat map projection makes it look

[empty helm]

ARGGHH

[lucid kelp]

Can WG bring Smasher to the this New Year auction???

[onyx raven]

How about they never make them available again (along with the Annihilator) instead?

[daring merlin]

But i like my Smasher in special game modes

[opaque flicker]

We need more of these things, I like them

[balmy compass]

T-28 mod 1940:

Grobtraktor thing:

[opaque flicker]

That's why I said we need more, they're cool

[plucky summit]

Looks like I-Go/Chi-Ro

Oh. Points for me then

[opaque flicker]

Type 89 Yi-Go

[violet timber]

They're all the same tank

[opaque flicker]

I like the designs

[viral ruin]

Why is the medjay overall worse than the excelsior with the only better thing being its turret armor. Chassis armor nerfed, dps nerfed, speed nerfed (might I add is quite dumb since it has much less armor than its real world counterpart). Not to mention the concealment is worse as well. Tell me why this tank is even an event tank in the first place when it truly is worse than some version we'd have to pay physical money for

[misty wing]

Pharaoh or Gravedigger

[violet timber]

It has a good gun, 4 shell autoloader with 110 alpha. It's hull also isn't nerfed, it's actually buffed. I'm not sure why WG say it's worse but its not

[violet timber]

Pharaoh easily

My bad, it's late and I saw the intra-clip 😅

[odd cove]

ah

[solid gate]

3 shells, you have way better DPM, M VI Yoh is much better with 2 shells though

[misty wing]

There's not much reason to argue that the V is better with one and the VI is better with the other

They both have fast unload speed and alpha with the 120mm, and higher DPM with the 105mm

it's about the same increase in DPM too, 22% more for the V and 21% for the VI, by using the 3 shot

I would use the 2 shot on both because it's what makes them unique

[nova birch]

What nation has better heavies Ussr or France?

[odd cove]

ussr overall. France only has one line for heavies, though the higher tiers are annoying if all 4 shells pen

[pallid flame]

There’s more than one

[odd cove]

edited.

[misty wing]

French heavies kinda suck imo

[copper swan]

they don't suck, they need a player with some skill to play it
no armour but gun can be deadly with above average speed for a heavy for some tanks in that tech tree line

[misty wing]

AMX 50 100 and Somua are both mediocre at best
AMX 50 120 is pretty bad, long reload and one of the worst armored heavies in the game with not enough mobility to make up for it
50b can be good but most people seem to not like it as much post 9.1

M4 54 is strong but is hard to use even for good players

[plucky summit]

I’d take Medjay over Excelsior any day

[daring merlin]

Why would you want either??

[plucky summit]

Who said I wanted it? :p

[daring merlin]

Collects dust well

[copper swan]

had anyone ever thought hard about this:
what is the point of grinding the M48 line when M60 exists and is better than the M48?

[odd cove]

hard to use

[daring merlin]

The M4 has very large sides, easy to pen barn door

And other question. M48 is free, M60 costs gold

[pallid flame]

No way

[daring merlin]

Neither make credits

[pallid flame]

NO WAY!

[odd cove]

ah capitalism

[misty wing]

I average 2600-2800 in most of my tier 10s and 2300 in the M4 54 🤷‍♂️

[daring merlin]

M4 has good speed for what it is. Good frontal armour as long as you dont turn turret

[misty wing]

It's significantly harder to find a spot where you can fully utilize your armor than something like an E5 or IS7

[plucky summit]

M 54 is my favorite tier 10 😳

[misty wing]

It's a good tank, but it definitely isn't easy to play

[cyan oracle]

@misty wing thanks for your opinion about MVYoh

[plucky summit]

I’m actually surprised, I don’t feel like I really did as good as the stats say

[cyan oracle]

I will choose 2 sell gun@misty wing

[daring merlin]

Two shot gun works if you have teamates to support. The reload is brutal. I switched to 3 shot

[misty wing]

I would just play the T57 line if I wanted that playstyle
If you're grinding the Yoh line for any reason besides completion, it should be for the 2 shot

[daring merlin]

T57 is amazing

[cyan oracle]

I'll b in 2nd line with Yoh , its new tank at the moment 🥹

[daring merlin]

Try both, find your playstyle

[cyan oracle]

Sure bro

[misty wing]

T57 is my favorite tank

[daring merlin]

T-77 at tier 8. And T57 at 10. Great tanks

[cyan oracle]

I will going to T57 line Later, now i am at E5 and Yoh line

[misty wing]

The M48 doesn't look hideous

[daring merlin]

Ya ok, what about the M48