vehicles-discussion

[misty wing]

ISU-130 S tier 💀

[balmy compass]

If ISU is S tier what does that make the SU-130pm?

[wind nova]

So when is WT clan event happening???? It was mentioned and WG forgot about it.

[balmy compass]

I think Alexandria said next month

[pliant pike]

I wait for snowglobe

[regal bough]

next month, this month is all about Halloween stuff

[oak pollen]

What happened?
https://youtube.com/shorts/cpbpw9jW2ys?feature=share

[misty wing]

why do you keep posting shorts

[oak pollen]

Cuz it easier to make than normal VDO

[misty wing]

are you making them just for the purpose of posting videos here

or are you promoting your channel here

[oak pollen]

Just promoting VDO about WoT, WoTB
By the way, can you tell me what happened?

[misty wing]

Idk if self promotion is allowed
And there are some random bugs that send tanks flying, it's nothing new

[oak pollen]

Yea, but I never see tank fly this high

And it kinda stuck there the whole game

[lyric copper]

aka the 121B

[elfin kayak]

how much do you get from selling the nightmare tank?

[plucky summit]

You can always check that after you click sell, and the confirmation will let you know what you'll get back.

Anyways, 250 gold

[pliant pike]

Lol free Nightmare

[onyx raven]

Thanks to @dusky otter for making my tonk come to life (I’m u/57mmShin-Maru on reddit)!

I’ll be working on stats for it and my other tank proposals soon.

[sleek apex]

Practically yes but in tier VIII, not entirely new since theres the Chieftain/T95 and Mk.6 that has the same playstyle.

[hot ingot]

and next month is black friday !?

[violet timber]

Black Friday is 1 day, Halloween is spooky season

[regal bough]

i have no idea

[median coral]

Hey guys is the M6A2 exp good? I have the vk168, is5, action x,and some others
I have really been wanting the T2020 but now that thees guys are on I don't know which ones will be more fun two play. Do y'all know?

[balmy compass]

they are neat tanks, although I'm not quite sure what the general community thinks about them
both the Mutant and EXP and super tall, the EXP was good frontal armor, although people can and will hit your cheeks, and unless you are directly facing them frontally you can get penned through the front tracks like the M6 but worse

[foggy spire]

The M6 Mutants are meh. I own both. They have good armor for their tier, but the cheeks are easy to pen so don’t expose yourself too much. Also the tanks have terrible side armor. Any 151+mm gun can overmatch you.

[hot ingot]

the Exp works pretty good against noobs in city maps

[tulip knot]

It was free originally

[iron glen]

Yh the IS 3 is bad i can't play with it it fully upgraded its a pain, the whole IS line is a headache i don't know why people recommend that

[violet timber]

It’s not hard to hulldown

[iron glen]

I tried but couldn't because up till now i only played front line heavy so that might explain why im bad with the Is 3, its just not for me that tank

I will try to practice in lower tier with some hulldown tanks and when i get good i will give the Is 3 try again

[violet timber]

You can hulldown on the frontline…

[exotic lodge]

Guys do you think that the Titan HN is going to be on the auction this Christmas??????

[opaque flicker]

We need new higher tier collectables and less premiums, not tier X collectables, just VII VIII and IX

Something like.. more fake yet realistic tanks, like an American adaptation of the IS or something

Surprised it didn't already happen, all it takes is an abandoned tank to be drivin by an American

[plucky summit]

WG has stuck with zero collector tanks in tier 8, for whatever reason

[thorny smelt]

@plucky summit How about SMV-CC-67?

[plucky summit]

What?

[thorny smelt]

The Italian premium tank destroyer.

[plucky summit]

Yeah, premium tank destroyer

[azure widget]

Is the side and rear gun dep for m48 getting better or worse with the new model?

[balmy compass]

I think just the rear gets worse

[misty wing]

There's effectively no difference between collectable and premium in this game. I think the reason they made tier 10s as collectables was just because there was a "there are no premiums in tier 9 or 10, so tier 8 is the best tier to farm credits" kinda rule in wot PC and they just decided to stick with it

I'm not sure why you're asking for tier 8 collectables, it would most likely just make less credits

[misty wing]

There are plenty of "fake but realistic tanks" already marked as premiums, like IS-2Sh and Keiler

[opaque flicker]

Collectables are fun because they just feel like an accomplishment to own

[misty wing]

Not really, because you probably paid for it the same way you paid for a premium

The only tanks that kinda feel that way are the collab tanks and some of the really rare low tier ones, like Pz IV hydro

Any tier 8+ tank that is good and they sell outside of crates is going to be way too popular to feel like owning one is an accomplishment

[opaque flicker]

Like the seal clubbing tanks?

[misty wing]

No?

[opaque flicker]

Idk, theres an absolute ton of seal clubbing tanks at low tier

[sleek apex]

IS-2Sh is an actual blueprint concept though. But i have no idea about the Kelier, im guessing that one is fake.

One example of fake but realistic prem tanks are the 59 Patton.

[opaque flicker]

Marder II
PZ II J
PZ II G
Grobtraktör
SU-76I
SU-76
Pz sfl
PZB2
Light VIC
Tetrarch

Way more than the ones I just named, the ones I've seen be the most common

Oh yeah and they casually gave out the Ke-Ni

[misty wing]

What does seal clubbing have to do with anything

[balmy compass]

The fact that most experienced players see playing lower tiers in strong tanks or just playing lower tiers is sealclubbing

[thorny smelt]

From Tanks Encyclopedia about the IS-2 and its variants

[sleek apex]

[opaque flicker]

"Way too popular to feel like owning one is an accomplishment"
"Like seal clubbing tanks?"
"No"
"Idk, theres a lot of seal clubbing tanks"

[misty wing]

still have no idea what you're talking about

[thorny smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/choujeki-eating-popcorn-gif-14739088

[opaque flicker]

You mentioned that owning one wouldn't feel like an accomplishment, I mentioned seal clubbing collectables, due to how many there are

[misty wing]

low tier collectables are far more "collection-worthy" than tier 10 ones
it doesn't have to do with seal clubbing

[opaque flicker]

Seeing a bright blue name feels much better than seeing yellow

[misty wing]

I think that's just you being picky for no reason

and I disagree, the yellow is cooler

[opaque flicker]

Being picky means specifically wanting something over the other, while collectables at higher tier would make it feel more diverse instead of just "yellow white" and constantly seeing the same tanks over and over again

[misty wing]

huh

[violet timber]

What about green?

[opaque flicker]

Collectables could just be.. like a collect em all container or something, like the KPZ 50

[opaque flicker]

Uh.. what would green even mean?

[violet timber]

Players

[misty wing]

if your complaint is that you see the same tanks over and over again, that's likely due to a balancing problem and those tanks are overpowered. Adding collectibles won't fix that

[opaque flicker]

I just want more diversity, saying that as long as collectables are rare but add more to a battle, it would be okay with me

[misty wing]

but when you load into a battle you can't even see which tanks are white, yellow, or blue lmao

[opaque flicker]

I want that update, to see which tanks are which, to know which ones are premium or collectable

[misty wing]

and you're asking for something that isn't defined by the collectible status in game

[opaque flicker]

Collectables are meant to add more to a battle, like premiums but more rare and special in a way

[remote kindle]

low tier Collectable are just useful for gold 😀

[misty wing]

except WG doesn't utilize them that way currently and they will continue to not do so if they add them to tier 8

[thorny smelt]

@misty wing Simple solution: Play other tank games or WoT PC if you want variety

[opaque flicker]

I want to move to WOTC

[misty wing]

the only collectibles that actually feel rare and cool are 1. the collabs and 2. low tier stuff like the Pz IV Hydro (which has 1 player in the past month btw), as I previously mentioned

and no they're not cool because you seal club in them, they're cool because they're rare, like you asked for
so don't go off topic on that again

[opaque flicker]

I didn't say they were cool for seal clubbing, I'm just calling them seal clubbing tanks

[misty wing]

well they're not because they're pretty mediocre

good luck seal clubbing in a below average tank

[opaque flicker]

PZ II J is pretty good, very armored for a tier III

[vital flax]

If you played it you'd know it's not good at all

[opaque flicker]

I got a mastery in it

[misty wing]

that probably means it's bad or not played by many people

[thorny smelt]

And mastery is not even a good measure of how good the tank is

[opaque flicker]

I guess I just know how to play it well

[violet timber]

It's not that hard to seal club...

[opaque flicker]

It's not bots anymore for me so if I get surrounded it's a challenge

[violet timber]

It's still called seal clubbing for a reason

[opaque flicker]

Also takes 2 minutes in matchmaking so I dont play often, I only use the collectables in training rooms half of the time

[misty wing]

the problem with your proposal of adding rare tanks to "diversify the matchmaking" is that in order to make a tank rare at high tier, they have to either make it really bad so no one plays it, or really hard to obtain (in which case people will cry about pay to win)

[opaque flicker]

Really? Pay to win? I stopped crying about that after I learned how to counter most of the more rare tanks

[misty wing]

every time I bust out my 268/4 people cry 🤷‍♂️

[opaque flicker]

Bruh people dont know how to flank I'm assuming

[misty wing]

people will cry about any prem/collector that is even half decent

[opaque flicker]

I can counter tier IX's in a tiger II and win and people cry about premiums?

[misty wing]

well good for you, but it's impossible for WG to make a rare tank without doing something weird like making it super terrible

[opaque flicker]

Just make it.. uncommon

[misty wing]

how, limit the amount available like in an auction?

[opaque flicker]

Like uncommon to see in a game, like the M6A2E1 EXP

[misty wing]

and how do you suppose they made it uncommon

[opaque flicker]

Limit it by like.. "get now, only 100 left or something"

[violet timber]

Make the chance very low like the AE

[sleek apex]

If you want to have "rare" tanks then buy battlepasses.
They are only available for a month and after that you can only get some of them through operation containers.

[misty wing]

No, it's uncommon because it's ugly, it sucks, and it doesn't sell very well
why do you want WG to make more tanks like that

[opaque flicker]

It also has a .05% chance of getting it

[misty wing]

I'm talking about the M6 EXP

[opaque flicker]

Oh, well yeah its ugly but that's why people play it, its funny looking

[sleek apex]

Not because it has good frontal armor?

[misty wing]

but people don't play it, considering that you said it's uncommon to see

[opaque flicker]

Weak turret cheeks, cant sidescrape, it's good at 2 things and thats mobility and frontal hull armor, also low DPM

@misty wing
People do play it, its uncommon to see, meaning people dont play it often

[misty wing]

people don't play it often because it's not as enjoyable as other tanks
so why would WG want to add tanks that are less enjoyable

[opaque flicker]

Yeah, it could use a slight buff..

I'm mentioning things that are uncommon to see, they're collectables but they're limited in the shop, like imagine they're on the shop and they all get bought out, let's say those tanks dont come out for a very long time, but get replaced by another limited tank

[misty wing]

yeah but that's gonna create issues when it comes to pricing and WG's income
anyway you're thinking too much about the what and not enough about the why

[opaque flicker]

Wargaming has millions of dollars and they're on the other side of the world

[sleek apex]

Why have this come to EXP buff when you guys were talking about collector tanks and their "Exclusivity"

[opaque flicker]

Fortnite does a daily shop, they make good revenue.. what if wargaming did that?

[thorny smelt]

Ew Fortnite

[opaque flicker]

But with tanks, camos, attachments

Better than fortnite

[sleek apex]

Wg have weekly deals nowadays, they sell premiums way more frequent than it used to.

[opaque flicker]

That's true, but if they limited it yet made the shop options go by faster, it would be more appealing and smoother, like show certain camos from past premium passes, put those on the shop

Like this

Daily shop:
2 tanks
5 camos
3 attachments
5 different types of crates

And then of course premium days and gold

[sleek apex]

While i agree previous bp camos should be sold it may be too much if they go offer different premium tanks daily

[opaque flicker]

Epic games and their players can handle it, they make more than twice as much as wargaming a month

[misty wing]

pretty sure no one likes the daily shop mechanic in any game that it exists in

[sleek apex]

Because their games have been more mainstream the past years (esp. Fortnite)?

[violet timber]

Wow, who would've thought that Epic games, a variety games maker, would reach out to a larger populace than WG, a war games maker.

[opaque flicker]

Hasn't fortnite been around since 2016? 6 years ago now?

[misty wing]

2018 I think
nope 2017 july

[opaque flicker]

Almost 6

[misty wing]

Closer to 5
anyway it doesn't matter, your example is pretty irrelevant

[opaque flicker]

Didn't epic games make multiple war based games, fortnite once even had tanks in it?

[misty wing]

having guns and machines doesn't make a game a war game

[sleek apex]

Doesnt change the fact that wargaming mostly focuses on wargames (excluding that World of Bowling game)

Unlike WG, Epic Games have way more variety on their game genres

[opaque flicker]

Military grade war machines and guns, fighting each other, yeah sure just another day in Detroit lol

Actually Detroit isnt that far off

[opaque flicker]

No way they made a BOWLING game?

[misty wing]

a war game is a game that targets people who are into history and its wars specifically
Fortnite is targeted for the masses, and for the record its guns look like toys and not military grade stuff

[sleek apex]

Yeah lol, see the games released by wg on the app/play store

[opaque flicker]

So.. 40k universe?

[violet timber]

Wow, almost as if variety games can include war games.

[sleek apex]

^

[opaque flicker]

Exactly

[violet timber]

I don’t see your point

[opaque flicker]

I dont see yours either

[violet timber]

My point is that epic games making over twice what WG does isn’t surprising, and is actually expected

[sleek apex]

Anyways back to the thing earlier, daily premium tank offers may be too much since there would be more premium tanks that would be offered on a short amount of time. And having the current weekly deals are nice since you have 7-14 days or longer to buy a bundle you want.

[opaque flicker]

Oh you were talking about finance, oh yeah I'm just saying if wargaming adapted to some more popular things they would most likely make more money

[opaque flicker]

So 2 tanks every 2 days? 2 × 3 = 6, so that means they'd have to push a 3rd tank into the shop at the 7th day of the week

[sleek apex]

But then that would have them alot of work since they have to start from scratch, unlike WoWs, WoT, WoWp, and others which shares some features.

[misty wing]

what exactly is having 1 or 2 day deals going to do with regards to making rare tanks

[opaque flicker]

I dont know anymore I got sidetracked

[violet timber]

Yes, I was talking about finance, that’s why I responded to your message talking about finance 🤦‍♂️

[sleek apex]

Should we go back to the first topic? Imo i dont think theres a need to have more "exclusive" tanks, although i understand some people like to have special tanks which few only have.

[violet timber]

Everybody just wants an exclusive tank so they can feel special

[opaque flicker]

I just hate the lack of diversity

[sleek apex]

Diversity on what

[violet timber]

What kind of tank would you add to increase the diversity?

[opaque flicker]

I keep fighting the same tanks over and over again, nothing special

[violet timber]

What tier are you playing? I played quite a few games today and each game a pretty nice amount of tanks

[opaque flicker]

VIII

[violet timber]

Tier 8 is literally the most diverse tier.

[opaque flicker]

Can I have your matchmaking? I saw a chimera 5 times in a row through different rounds

[sleek apex]

Well theres already alot of tanks ingame, its mainly the games' meta (or trend) are indicates the most used tanks on that tier.

[violet timber]

Just play the game. Chimera is pretty common, but there’s 13 other tanks in the match.

[opaque flicker]

I play it every single day, not once have I seen a tank I haven't fought before

[thorny smelt]

@opaque flicker Is this not diverse yet for you?

[opaque flicker]

I've seen almost every one of those in my time playing

[violet timber]

Have you thought that perhaps the fact that there is a limited amount of tanks in the game means that you will see all of them at one point or another?

[misty wing]

if you've played a lot then naturally you're gonna see all of them eventually lmao

[opaque flicker]

They're all common though, I want a challenge when playing this game, it's the first reason I started playing was to challenge myself

[sleek apex]

^

[misty wing]

this isn't some exploration simulator where you might discover a new type of alien or undersea life every month

[opaque flicker]

Subnautica

[sleek apex]

Next update will have the new italian td lines, you would have atleast 6 new tanks to face against.

[violet timber]

Try ratings, that’s a challenge

[opaque flicker]

About time

[opaque flicker]

Not much of a ratings person, played it before and it felt like normal but with more autoloaders

[violet timber]

It’s normal, except you get to deal with more people yelling at you

[opaque flicker]

That's just gaming

[violet timber]

Also everyone is sweating, so playing it casually is actually hilarious

[opaque flicker]

Nevermind it's just xbox lol

[vital flax]

Mitsu > BDR 🧐

[sleek apex]

The thing is its normal to feel bored on a game over time, at first it would be challenging but you would feel the gameplay are more "stale & boring" after you get to play most of it

[opaque flicker]

By far mitsu is better than BDR

[violet timber]

I'm lost for words

[opaque flicker]

Except for the fact that the mitsu is as big as a tog

The old gang, Japanese edition

[violet timber]

BDR gets a more reliable gun, better armor profile, and better mobility

[opaque flicker]

Eh Mitsu is just fun to play with its 280 damage gun

[vital flax]

worse forward speed and but faster rotation. Mitsu has superior gun handling on both guns

[violet timber]

You're using equipment on the Mistu but not the BDR, BDR has better gun handling, better penetration, and better gun angles

[vital flax]

yeah just noticed mb. Weirdly enough it still felt more accurate. I played 10 games on both today

I used 160dmg gun. It's probably the aim time advantage

[violet timber]

BDR also has better traverse, 24 compared to 20

[opaque flicker]

AMX M4 49
Tiger II
Chi-Se

Best one on the list?

[violet timber]

Chi-Se imo

[opaque flicker]

I gotta go AMX for its mobility, Tiger II for its ability to fight tier IX's, and chi-se for armor

[violet timber]

The only problem with AMX winning mobility is that Chi-Se gets the suspension equipment

[opaque flicker]

I prefer AMX, it still looks good

[robust orchid]

Finally out of mute jail for stating the truth, anyway, have a pic of the luckiest Rheinmettal-Borsig Waffentragger player

[plucky summit]

Alright, what was your “truth”?

[robust orchid]

APAC being APAC, which of course, meant a lot of toxicity, very high ping and packet loss and oh, the matchmaking being err...not so good

[plucky summit]

Well, I guess I won’t ask you for the specifics, as to avoid a secondary punishment 💀

[robust orchid]

I've got a long list tbh, but I'm just gonna keep my mouth shut so I don't get muted again 💀

[plucky summit]

Matchmaking random, matchmaking is literally never able to be equal, so it can at least be fair

[robust orchid]

And by high ping...I meant....

[plucky summit]

Epic, you got the Löwe

[robust orchid]

Yeah, it's a credit grinding beast, but useless when the ping is...you know, gives you the ability to drive into the buildings and obstacles

[plucky summit]

You live in the APAC area, I assume?

[robust orchid]

Yeeeeeep

[plucky summit]

Unfortunate

[quaint pewter]

What is the truth

[plucky summit]

Let’s not 😅

[quaint pewter]

Hahahahahaha

[austere hare]

Is the 40TP Habicha a good tank? I'm looking forwards to purchasing it

[robust orchid]

Read my previous messages for the basics lol

[robust orchid]

One of the best Tier VI heavies, good armor and mobility with 225 Alpha and 156 pen, better than the 131 and Vk 36.01 (H)

[solid gate]

Better than the 131 maybe, but I would say vk 36 is possibly the best

[robust orchid]

Probably because of its thicker upper plate than the two other mentioned, but not in terms of firepower or DPM

[solid gate]

Firepower is the same in terms of alpha, 225. And yes dpm isn’t the best, but I thought it’s close to the 40 TP? 131 has the best gun out of them, good dpm

[robust orchid]

No, 36.01(H) has only 220, and yeah, I agree that the 131 has the best among them, but in exchange for a paper hull

[solid gate]

Ok but 220/225 isn’t a massive difference, would affect Dpm mostly but the actual alpha isn’t that important. And yeah I don’t think 131 is very good

[rigid rover]

bruh

[fierce abyss]

Tier 7 m6?

[lilac mica]

Yes

[swift ruin]

i just got 5,899 damage on is7

[solid gate]

Feel like WG missing it chance to correct T110E5 model, as real life counterpart frontal armour is M60-like rather than M48-like

[robust orchid]

I feel like I should add the SuperPershing WoT Blitz version with the external armor plating in front of the gun mantlet, also yes, I replaced the 90mm gun with the gun 8,8cm KwK 43 L/71

[kindred wren]

This rather gives me Hellcat vibes than Pershing

[robust orchid]

It's because I'm using the Tiger II hull which sort of makes this hybrid look like a massive Hellcat instead
Come to think of it, I probably should make another hybrid, an M18 Hellcat × Panther G hybrid would do >:3

[oak pollen]

Once ping make my IS ability to fly in normal game mode

[tulip kayak]

Is Grille 15 worth it?
Or should i go for the czech medium t10
Im at the WT PZIV
And for the czechs im at the stock t8

[vital flax]

Czech medium t10👀

[tulip kayak]

Okay thanks

[blissful hamlet]

The stock vtu isn't that good but when maxed, it's pretty good, it has mobility and a nice gun

[fierce abyss]

Is it right, or am wrong that those pbr tanks' models origin from WoT pc?

[empty helm]

You ain't wrong

[empty helm]

Why cold war Soviet tanks have s*** ton of reactive armor and western tanks don't example like leopard 2

[violet timber]

Western tanks do have reactive armor, it’s just more NERA, or composite armor. ERA isn’t really seen on western tanks because they work a lot more closely with infantry, and when ERA goes off there is a high chance of collateral damage to anyone standing around.

[empty helm]

Seem reasonable

[hardy spoke]

Did I miss anything on the coming soon channel?

[solid gate]

It’s a prem tank that was put in testing like a year ago, tanks blitz (the new game for the Ru server) gave it to their players apparently, hasn’t been released for wotb though (other servers) afaik. The guy you saw might be a tester, check his profile after battle and you’ll see if he’s got tanks like the carro 45t, Minotaur etc.

[robust orchid]

No wonder why I didn't see any of those so called Pasta TDs on the tech tree or store

[solid gate]

Yeah lol, only testers get them. I’ve seen both the Minotaur and carro 45t in battle though

[hardy spoke]

Ok 🙂

[dreamy osprey]

no that tank has been given out as a gift to russian players from what it seems

both on tanks blitz and those who transferred to eu

[solid gate]

Oh, well someone the other day was asking if they could have it and I think they transferred? Probably a mistake

[oak pollen]

I want to test those tonk but I'm in Asia server TT

[swift ruin]

and the game had to update again so i lost thr replay 😦

[onyx raven]

So guys, if you ever want to make vehicle concepts, here’s how you should calculate DPM.

DPM = (60/Reload) x Alpha

In action:

DPM = (60/7.3) x 200
DPM = (8.2) x 200
DPM = 1640

[blissful hamlet]

Yeah, that's what i did with my X1A2 proposal

[robust orchid]

Now that you tell me that...I'm probably gonna do that with one of my vehicle concepts soon

[plucky summit]

For autoloaders:
DPM = 60/(reload + (interclip * (magazine size - 1)) * alpha

[onyx raven]

And then autoreloaders are a whole mess

[plucky summit]

Yeah :(

For me I just calculate DPM as if they used the gun just like an autoloader, but for my concept sheets, I avoid autoreloders mostly

[misty wing]

They also missed a chance to give us the m48a5 from pc

[violet timber]

We do have the A5 though, it has the 105mm gun

[misty wing]

It's an M48A1 with the cupola removed and an upgraded gun

[violet timber]

The biggest difference between them is the 105mm. Seeing as it has that, it’s essential the same as an A5

[solid gate]

But isn't that basically M48A5 is? M48A1 and A3 upgraded?

[median coral]

Hey guys is the bundle with both of the M6s a good deal?
I have seen them on for 6.5k but they do have the attachments with them.
What are y'alls thoughts?

A lot of good players really like them so, I'm trying to decide to get them or not.

[balmy compass]

the M6 mutants aren't super great and a bit hard to play being super tall and having terrible side armor

I would say just save your gold for the upcoming Black Friday

[lyric copper]

yeah, T49s or tanks with high HE pen love the sides of the M6Ms

[misty wing]

Have you seen the m48 on PC

[violet timber]

I have, it’s basically the same thing but with a raised engine deck

[misty wing]

A raised engine deck and more importantly, the searchlight and other stuff attached to the turret

[violet timber]

That’s just PC models, if they made it a true A5 in blitz it would just be the raised engine deck

[misty wing]

When they make tanks PBR in blitz its usually just porting over the "PC model" lol
So like I said, it's a missed opportunity

[solid gate]

Your standard 122 mm gun also likes to HE them, it’s super weak

[wise moth]

Autoreloaders should be calculated as the maximum possible DPM (i.e firing as a single shooter on the shell with the fastest reload)

[valid gale]

The A5 is the 105mm upgrade (well with the old M60 turret) but it’s pretty much that already in blitz it’s a weird hybrid

[solid gate]

Is that how they’re done in blitz? I would have thought it’d be reloading the entire clip, then shooting

[wise moth]

That’s at least how it ought to be done, since DPM is really measuring a theoretical performance ceiling for a tank

[balmy compass]

I think that's burst damage

[solid gate]

Right, I’ll check, should be easy to find out how they do it. Also if it’s a theoretical performance ceiling then shouldn’t it be whichever way the dpm is the highest?
@balmy compass no, that’s how much damage you can give in a short time. I’m talking about what the damage would be per minute if you did that repeatedly. Burst damage is one clip

[wise moth]

Correct. Which is always by firing as a single shooter on the shell with the quickest reload

[balmy compass]

well then it wouldn't be as much as shooting on the fastest reload

[solid gate]

Ah ok, well I didn’t know that, but makes sense. Although if you add in the initial reload then that complicates things, however you’ve always got time at the beginning of a battle so practically doesn’t matter. Things like mino though might be a different story, with a 20 secs first shell reload you may be in battle before the clips fully loaded

[solid gate]

👍 didn’t think through it properly

[wise moth]

Initial reload isn’t factored into DPM.

It’s best to think of DPM as a long run average. If you were farming an infinite number of tanks, how much damage would you deal on average?

[violet timber]

An autoreloders technical Max damage per minute would be firing on the shell with the shortest reload until the end, where it would then burst out its entire clip before time ran out. Granted this ruins the dpm for the next minute, but 🤷‍♂️

[wise moth]

The “minute” part of DPM is arbitrary. Again, DPM is at the core, a measurement of average maximum performance

[violet timber]

I think we should measure dps instead of dpm

[wise moth]

DPS doesn’t really make much sense for tanks given the slow rates of fire

[violet timber]

No, but I like things that don’t make sense

[solid gate]

Yes, but that would include the initial reload, although over a long enough period the affect on dpm would be minimal

[wise moth]

See, the key phrase here is “over a long enough period”

[violet timber]

7 minutes long enough for you?

[solid gate]

Yeah, well I would think of it as for the duration of a battle as an acceptable time to calculate DPM? I’m just pointing out that you shouldn’t take the top shell reload to calculate dpm, you have to reload all the rest to get there, which as I mentioned in the case of Minotaur may affect it in reality, no? Also I presume the intershell reload is calculated into it cause that has to happen before the last shell is reloaded again after firing

[empty helm]

Carius are you still in summer break or something

[misty wing]

does anyone know why the US jumped from 26 to 46 for the pershing to the patton

this looks like fun

[balmy compass]

They probably had designs and ideas for others tanks before the Patton, but after the Pershing, like the T29, T30, T31 ect
Probably just a bunch of other vehicles in between

[violet timber]

^^^ pretty much this

[fierce inlet]

Another Chinese heavy? Premium?
That gun looks interesting for sure

[misty wing]

tech tree

[balmy compass]

Kinda goofy to see the T29, T30, T32 and T34 so you wonder what is the T31
Boy is that thing cursed

[violet timber]

T33 😉

[fierce inlet]

New line?

[misty wing]

yeah
they're all like modern-looking tanks with derp guns
with a rocket booster mechanic

[hollow notch]

And broken turrets with gun depression

[violet timber]

My dreams for a plank (plane-tank) are close at hand!

[fierce inlet]

damn so 2 new lines coming up

[misty wing]

no, it's just that one?

[fierce inlet]

italian tds?

[misty wing]

they're already out on wot PC, which is what we're talking about if it wasn't clear

[violet timber]

The next blitz line will be Chinese lights after the mino

[fierce inlet]

oh alr, i thought u were talking abt wot blitz. my bad

[humble junco]

me getting depresion cuz i am t7 and my enemies are ix

[violet timber]

So you’re failtooning then?

[solid gate]

He meant he was uptier for the first time in ages apparently. Not failtooning

[solid gate]

how can T7 facing T9 normally? I must miss WG putting back +-2MM then

[solid gate]

They haven't lol, not sure if the guy was trolling or just confused but seems he didn't really mean that

[solid gate]

IX is 9 right? How can he mistype VIII to IX?

[solid gate]

As I say I don't know what he meant

[cloud hound]

what tank is this?

[misty wing]

Astron Rex 105
lovely how I cant type the name in caps like it's supposed to be

[fierce inlet]

+-2mm is still a thing in the game altho it's very very rare

[median coral]

Does anyone here have the t2020? I would like to fight it and test the army of it.

[misty wing]

I do

[thick trout]

It's only possible with a split tier platoon, and then it's only "+2-0" for the lower tier tank because it matches based off the highest tier tank in the platoon with ±1

[median coral]

Are you in NA server? If so can I fight you in it to test the armor and side scraping ability?

[median coral]

I just saw that you are would you mind helping me out with it sometime? I can wait till the weekend too.

[misty wing]

sure
add me in game @_Nilou_Nyaa

[median coral]

Ok

It's not working could try to find me? Northwood42

[misty wing]

alright

[plucky summit]

You typing their user with the @? 😂

[misty wing]

something like that probably

[foggy spire]

Pls don’t nerf this any more. I love this baby.

[plucky summit]

Balance shouldn’t be based on the user’s enjoyment 🤔

[foggy spire]

This tank is my turn off brain tank and charge in tank.

[plucky summit]

Hence it should be nerfed

[median coral]

Lol yep I was well I'm hear.

[foggy spire]

I know…but it feels so good clapping mediums. That game I trapped an E50M in a corner, and the poor guy just pointed his gun up.

[valid gale]

Totally nothing wrong with that

[foggy spire]

Well he had rammer so 300mm of heat pen isn’t doing anything against Type’s 340mm+ frontal armor.

[misty wing]

how do you even know whether he has rammer or cali

[foggy spire]

I think he has rammer because he was shooting fast.

[misty wing]

it's like 0.5 seconds difference, pretty hard to just eyeball

[foggy spire]

Even if he had cali, 330mm of heat pen wouldn’t even pen the turret weakspots of 340mm.

[misty wing]

in a facehug he should be able to go through the cupola easily

[foggy spire]

Well, he bounced all of his HEAT shells since he tried to shoot my cheeks.

[misty wing]

probably not the best of players then

I just realized that the type 71 is now my least played tier 10 in my garage despite the fact that I free xp'd and spammed it on launch
just goes to show how boring it is

[foggy spire]

It’s one of my most played T10 because it’s super fun to steamroll enemy meds.

[misty wing]

I think it's less of that and more that you have a fetish for Japanese heavies

[foggy spire]

Nah, just like good heaviums.

[lyric copper]

more like he has no brain and must play tanks that compensate

[foggy spire]

Nah, my favorite med is the FV4202 because HESH.

[lyric copper]

oh look the medium that got buffed to be braindead

[foggy spire]

No. It can be penned easily because the cheeks are still weak. Get your facts straight.

[lyric copper]

why should i talk to someone who plays brainless tanks and makes dumb suggestions like a poorly built idea machine

[misty wing]

FV4202 kept getting buffed in its weaknesses (top speed, turret armor) so yes it is becoming more and more braindead

[foggy spire]

It still requires a bit of skill because the turret can be penned in the cheeks with standard and the turret is weak to any gold ammo. Plus HESH can only be used on weakspots.

[balmy compass]

You think the upper plate of the prog is a weakspot?

[foggy spire]

I don’t see them that often, and I face armored mediums more often.

[lyric copper]

may as well make the leo 1 more and more irrelevant right?

[balmy compass]

Having 210mm of HE pen is more then enough to go through just weakspots 💀
You can go through the lower plate of the E 50 M if its not angling

[foggy spire]

Most meds show their turrets, so I have to wait for them to shoot at someone else so they can show the sides.

[balmy compass]

Okay
Sounds normal

[violet timber]

He was just an unskilled player

[plucky summit]

That’s not so easy to hit unless you sat there still. And if the Type didn’t use enough gun depression

[misty wing]

he said he was pushing the e50m into a corner so I assume they were hard facehugging

in which case it's rather easy to go through the type's cupola

[plucky summit]

Complicated to deal with, especially when it has tons more HP

[misty wing]

all I'm saying is that the E50M shouldn't have just sat there pointing his gun up

[plucky summit]

Yeah, even less shoot the cheeks instead

[unreal owl]

Anyone know if the T69 is worth using? Trying to get to the T57 Heavy but the T69 doesn’t seem super great after trying it. Might be a skill issue lol

[foggy spire]

It’s meh. The armor isn’t great, and the gun has mediocre pen. It’s mid tier.

[solid gate]

I think decent but not meta at all. Probably worth playing

[unreal owl]

What about the T57 Heavy, is it worth the grind? Saw it in action when I was using my T-54, killed most of our team.

[foggy spire]

It’s a good clipper. Good DPM and burst potential. Somewhat troll armor can bounce a few shells. Though IMO M-6-Yoh is better.

[unreal owl]

The Yoh’s look weird but perform so well

[foggy spire]

Don’t judge something by its looks. The Yoh has stronger turret armor, which is why I personally think it’s better than the T57 heavy.

[unreal owl]

The side armor is terrible

[foggy spire]

It is so don’t overexpose yourself.

[unreal owl]

Yes

My T54 has invincible turret armor

[solid gate]

Far from it, but decent in its tier 😂

[foggy spire]

Not really. A T10 heavy with premium can pen you.

[unreal owl]

To most tier 8 meds

[misty wing]

Yoh feels pointless to play. T57 >>>
And T69 is actually quite good

[solid gate]

Tier nines using prammo will be able to pen with a bit of aiming, tier eight tds using prammo can pen. Some TDs won't have to load prammo. Tier ten meds loading prammo will pen it fairly easily. It depends on the angle you're at, above or below, skill of the enemy, how long you peek for

[foggy spire]

I feel the extra turret armor of the Yoh makes it a better hulldown heavy and can be more aggressive.

[foggy spire]

Then some tanks like T10 TDs only have to click and pen you.

[solid gate]

That's why I said some TDs don't even have to load prammo.

[unreal owl]

The T57’s 400 dmg with a 2.5 sec reload between 3 shots on the magazine will really add up if you hit all the shots

[foggy spire]

It’s more of a passive heavy since your armor is unreliable. YOH if you want to play a bit more aggressively.

[misty wing]

Yoh's armor isn't very reliable either. And going hull down isn't aggressive play tbh

Hull down is basically trench warfare, can get very stalemate-y

[foggy spire]

It’s reliable if you wiggle your turret armor upwards to hide the hatches.

[misty wing]

Oh wow now I can't shoot back at my enemies

[foggy spire]

Well you do that after you shoot and have to pull back.

[unreal owl]

I don’t see people playing Yoh’s a ton

[robust orchid]

Ho-Ri Type III: n o
Another thing, it's got really nice mobility and reverse speed for a casemate, but I don't use it a lot, idk why even though it's one of the best TDs

[misty wing]

Problem with the yoh is just
Why would you play an autoloader that doesn't have high clip damage, and has to deal with having either worst-in-tier alpha, or horrible dpm

The hull armor is much worse now after 9.1 too

Every other autoloader feels so rewarding when you get a full clip off, the yoh not so much

[solid gate]

But a 1.7 sec intershell with 900 clip alpha, made even smaller with shell boost. That's interesting enough Imo, and you can run the dpm gun to get an incredibly solid tank

[misty wing]

I doubt you can aim in very well with the 120mm and shell reload boost

[solid gate]

Just pointing out the gimmicks

Most people run the dpm gun, which has amazing accuracy, great Dpm, good intershell, and decent enough Clip alpha

[misty wing]

I just think both guns defeat the purpose of being a clipper and/or a heavy tank, while making up for it in other areas. The T57 with its objectively better gun but worse armor feels much more solidified in its role

[solid gate]

Well different roles, t 57 is more of a true autoloader yes

[misty wing]

Yoh with the 105mm just feels so stupid when you're not getting your full clip off, it's just like yeah, I'm hitting for less than a Russian med

The Vipera is pumpable 🤨

[balmy compass]

13 second mag reload is fast tho

[misty wing]

Yeah but clippers are more fun when you're putting more eggs in one basket

[vale mortar]

This tank kinda decent

[robust orchid]

It's basically an ISU-130 but with a turret

[cloud hound]

i can never play well with 130pm, whats the playstyle

[misty wing]

No, it's a smaller skorpion with a worse gun and limited turret traverse

[robust orchid]

In short, HE magnet

[balmy compass]

the upper plate is autobounce and HE resistant tho

[misty wing]

It's got slightly more troll armor, and an extra degree of gun depression, but I rate the skorp higher
PBR and looks seals the deal tbh

[balmy compass]

I wish Skorp wasn't so square looking but I'll take it because it's German

[misty wing]

Its turret is technically less square than the SU's

[balmy compass]

yes but then you look at the hull
and then there are extra blocks on the sides for the turret ring or something

[misty wing]

ISU-130 is most like a tier 8 SU-100Y, there's basically nothing like it

[lyric oriole]

The boomfetti camo looks way different on PBR tanks than non-PBR tanks

[balmy compass]

yeah, it's shiny that's why

[lyric oriole]

excepts you almost can't see that it's an anicamo as a result

the animation part is hard to see

[robust orchid]

Finally finished with my Tiger Pershing concept, now to wait for my cooldown to finish

Nvm, I think I can post it now

[balmy compass]

it looks obviously animated to me with and without PBR

[misty wing]

it looks kinda like a jackson from the side profile

[violet timber]

It’s smaller, faster, and has a much better camo value

[robust orchid]

It's because of the Tiger II's thiccc hull and the T26E4's turret silhouette

[misty wing]

it's not really faster
worse top speed, worse effective p/w on hard and soft, slightly better on medium, better traverse
you can argue that it's faster where it matters, but on paper they trade blows evenly

[violet timber]

Better in hard, worse only on soft

[misty wing]

oh I misread
still, the p/w on medium is pretty similar

[violet timber]

True, but the camo value is what really sets it apart

[robust orchid]

Still HE magnets

[misty wing]

no one said they weren't and it doesn't matter

[misty wing]

yeah I actually can't enjoy the cent 5/1 at all
alpha is just pitiful

[hollow sequoia]

the dumb autobounce ufp and smaller profile is what sells the 130pm for me

[misty wing]

I prefer tanks with a taller profile so I can intimidate my opponents

[valid gale]

It causes a really weird metallic effect

You can see it really shine if you choose the blue rank camo on any PBR

[thorny smelt]

KV-5: Hiiii

[plucky summit]

@robust orchid you forgot to reduce the damage of the 88mm gun on your tank

[thorny smelt]

The name itself is funny

[copper swan]

yet he able

[robust orchid]

I know, my bad 💀

[plucky summit]

💀

[charred dragon]

and get shot

[neat nimbus]

So I will get the panther 2

[misty wing]

huh

[neat nimbus]

Mad games and uprising is coming

Would the perfect storm for such tank

[misty wing]

check out the latest monstrosity I've created

[plucky summit]

Uh huh.

Can’t even turn the turret much because

1. The sideskirt jammed it
2. The log prevents it from passing that angle

[misty wing]

0 degrees to the left, 45 degrees to the right ez

[misty wing]

which tanks are very strong but don't look the part, and which ones look more intimidating than they really are

[foggy spire]

I know…the Grille looks very deadly, but it’s actually very mediocre.

[oak pollen]

For me it's vindicator
It's gun look like 300mm gun
But it actually only 155mm

[misty wing]

T26E5 is better than it looks and Object 260 looks scarier than it actually is imo

[solid gate]

260 seems scarier than it looks to me lol, soft stats are good but hard stats aren't fantastic

[misty wing]

it's pretty big and looks well-armed, with the dual machine guns in the turret front

Vickers light is probably scarier than it looks

conqueror and m103 look scarier than they are

[robust orchid]

Its accuracy stats are...💀

[robust orchid]

Its hull is as paper as the STB-1, but with a pike 💀

[nocturne bronze]

300mm pen + 600 alpha + 0.288 dispersion + Nice mobility + nice camo + 10 sec reload + hard to hit at distance
And a lot more and you saying its mediocre? That tank only needs skill and it becomes dangerous af

[trail orchid]

pretty strange pricing to get the tank fully equipped is cheaper than the non equipped one 😀

[trail orchid]

@nocturne bronze yeah but still looks a bit silly they could at least fully equip the other version as well

[nocturne bronze]

Dude the whole package is 22k gold worth so obviously you're getting the equipment

[thorny smelt]

Well no one complains about the HUGE discount of the bundle and it can be tempting to someone who wants a tier 8 premium for a lesser price.

[umbral hound]

Soo...since war thunder is adding the BT-42, does this mean wargaming will?

To keep up and all? It could be a tier 4 light and do like 320-ish

[thorny smelt]

No

[oak pollen]

WG should add more Finnish tank
Like BT-42

[foggy spire]

Ho Ri is that but way better. Also nice camo? It has one of the worst camo ratings for a T10 TD. Plus HEAT pen on the Grille is a joke.

[violet timber]

Grille has a massive mobility advantage over Ho-ri

[foggy spire]

Grille has 29% camo rating. Even T110e3 has better camo at 31%.

[foggy spire]

Not really. Hi Ri can go 45 km forward and 20km in reverse while the Grille can go 47 km in forward and 15km backwards. Plus the hull traverse on the Ho Ri is 8 degrees per second better.

[violet timber]

6 extra effective p/w isn’t massive?

[foggy spire]

Balanced out by the better reverse speed and traverse speed of the Ho Ri. Overall mobility is roughly equal.

[violet timber]

Not even close lol. And the traverse speed on the Ho-ri is negated by bad gun angles, something the grille gets over it

[foggy spire]

Not really since the Grille can be circled by other tanks easily because the turret is not fully rotatable.

[violet timber]

The Ho-ri even more so, seeing it doesn’t even have a turret

I’m not trying to say the Ho-Ri isn’t better, but saying it’s way better is an overstatement

[wise moth]

Both Grille and Ho Ri kinda trash rn

[foggy spire]

I’d say the Grille is in decent tier. Not bad, but it’s not particularly great. Ho Ri is in the good category because of better camo, pen, and troll armor.

[violet timber]

Ho-Ris mobility just lets it down too much

[foggy spire]

The gun on the Grille should have 350mm of HEAT pen, not the current 334 mm of pen.

[wise moth]

I wouldn’t call Ho Ri good. Rear mounted gun with no turret, poor mobility, and a relative lack of armor

[thick trout]

What are you shooting where 334 pen isn't enough?

[foggy spire]

Still has good camo and a good gun. Plus the armor is pretty troll with its traverse speed.

@thick trout An IS4’s upper plate is 340mm thick unangled. That’s one thing it can’t pen.

[violet timber]

It is, in fact, not 340mm unangled.

[foggy spire]

Well in game, you can’t pen it frontally with 330mm of HEAT from an E100. That’s 314mm against AP.

[strange thicket]

pretty sure it shows pen values against HEAT
you can definitely pen that with 330mm of heat from an E100
the armor is even weaker since you are taller than an IS4
so unless the IS4 is on a hill you can def pen lol

[violet timber]

Armor inspector shows effective vs HEAT. Blitz hangar shows effective vs AP.

Here’s effective vs AP. I just put the gun elevation up 5 degrees to simulate the normalization.

[wise moth]

Mystery solved

[foggy spire]

Hmm, okay then!

[violet timber]

Ty positive, I wish I could see tier 10 but I’m a bit broke

Spent it all on crates

[plucky summit]

blitzhangar shows HEAT too, only using the pen function of armor inspector allows you to calculate with AP by using the AP shell of a tank

Or, of course, doing the math yourself 😋

[violet timber]

Ew math

Jk I like math, but just using armor inspector is easier for me 🤷‍♂️

[quick silo]

[plucky summit]

I love math, it let me solidify my discovery of 3CRB and it helps me explain to people how they somehow failed to pen their shells 😄

[misty wing]

I think grille should get 700/600/1050 alpha, 370 heat pen and 90 HE pen, better camo, and a massive nerf to the DPM in exchange

oh and fix the gun angles and remove spall

[balmy compass]

wdym by fix gun angles

[misty wing]

give it the same depression/elevation no matter where you point the turret (it's not like the WT where the hull blocks it at certain points)

[balmy compass]

I see

[solid gate]

buff top speed back to 50 too?

[onyx raven]

Man do you know how much HP tier IVs have? That would be the ultimate Seal Clubber, worse than the ARL-44!

[umbral hound]

Well with the the BT-7 being a tier 3, it seemed like a good fit...

[plucky summit]

Just because that’s a silly concept, make it have only 30mm pen HE

[umbral hound]

Okk....I'd be fine with that, most tier 4 HE is useless anyway.

[onyx raven]

So I don’t know if I posted it here before, but I’ve been working on an improved European TT…

[brave juniper]

Except for when it's at angles where both 2cr/3cr are applied, the pen is enough and it doesn't pen, or it pens but it hits a part of the armor that doesn't take damage, like spaced armor or some non-attached visual armor u can seemingly pen/hit 🤔

[kindred wren]

I am yet to see such a case

[empty helm]

Looks complicated

[plucky summit]

Then I can just tell them that as an explanation, no?

[kindred wren]

The trick with maths is to just keep going until you don‘t understand what you‘re saying yourself anymore

[plucky summit]

I think I've done the math some time ago, and it seems to have worked with halved 2CR as Lux has brought up when 3CRB occurs

[brave juniper]

Guess i played myself 😔

[plucky summit]

💀

[brave juniper]

Grille 15 sides

And any tank with oddly shaped armor

[plucky summit]

Can you give a specific example? A replay would solve the case right then and there, if you got that

[brave juniper]

I do not have a replay but i however remember there being a case where i saw a toonmate shoot a grille 15 before PBR(when some hit boxes were fixed) on the side from behind, the shot mark was registered on the side as a bounce at an angle of less than 70-85 degrees where all shells bounce, and the shot seemingly hit but bounced, even though it should've applied 3/2cr, however that works and ensured the pen on the side

[plucky summit]

Was it the upper or lower side?

[brave juniper]

Lower side, well more like the middle point between both

[plucky summit]

I’m pondering that it was merely a miss through the tracks

[misty wing]

Dear God this is bad

[limber berry]

I had a stroke reading th

[balmy compass]

yes, 268/4 is OP

[limber berry]

I can't believe it's in the Soviet tech tree in PC 🗿🗿

[plucky summit]

TS-5 is OP? LOL

[balmy compass]

TS-5 is ugly that's what

[limber berry]

Round T28

[misty wing]

I'm pretty sure it's actually the historical T110

[plucky summit]

Top Speed - 5

[hollow notch]

Really hard to beat when you forgor how to drive

Plz berf ts5

[plucky summit]

It's literally unkillable when my gun is disabled 😔

[solid gate]

It is one of the proposal for project which T110 is part for in case M103 is a failure, so yes?

[misty wing]

Not sure if this is sarcasm or not, but 268/4 is pretty bad

[plucky summit]

268/4 is OP, unless your objective is to win the match

[solid gate]

Still really annoy fighting it early in the match thought, I give them that

[misty wing]

what? It's better in the late game rather than early

[plucky summit]

It's annoying to play, with or against. It doesn't even contribute much to a win unless the enemy is really dumb. It turns out to be a complete joke if you kill its team first

[balmy compass]

(yes it was sarcasm)
yeah it does suck

[solid gate]

I mean late game in APAC is either you team got wipe, in which case V4 or not still suck. Or red team got wipe then anyone can flank it for days

[misty wing]

if it's late game like 3v3 or so it can isolate its fights better
also regions don't mean anything in casual play for basically any game, idk why people always bring it up

[solid gate]

Because our match tend to result in a wipe out? And if it is 3vs3 here you better pray your team have a sense to support you, because 1vs3 doesn't favour V4 much

[misty wing]

but how do you know it tends to be a wipe out more often than in other regions

[plucky summit]

I guess it's more of a "speak for yourself" deal

They don't know about other servers, so they speak for the server that they experience it in.

[misty wing]

then they should say "from my experience", not "here in X server"

bringing up regions always implies that whatever you're saying is more so the case if not exclusive to your region, which most people have no way of confirming

[plucky summit]

I don't think 268/4 is OP because sure, it's a great brawler, but its gun fails against heavy tanks that use their armor, or its armor fails against TDs.

It boils down to being a low-HP turretless heavy that can just hit hard

[misty wing]

its armor also fails against cali T57s which are extremely common

[solid gate]

We tend to have, let say, "different mentality" here. I (and some clan mates) find the team have a tendency to focus just one flank (for better or worse). In such case, V4 is can be useful leading the spearhead. And because match tend to start with a huge 7vs7 in a tight spot, any late game movement is mostly chasing a few survivors

[misty wing]

You're ignoring my question of how do you know that other servers aren't like that as well

[solid gate]

I said in APAC because it is the server I play? As for experience in other server, I only get mostly from HRF stream

[misty wing]

the way you word things sounds like you're just trying to convince yourself and others that APAC is a special region

[solid gate]

It is special in a sense CIS/EU/NA server is special: how the local player base expect other to react and the reaction themselves

[misty wing]

and even then your experience doesn't reflect your whole servers'

[misty wing]

You're right that every server is kind of "special" in their own way, but the way you worded things implied that NA/EU/CIS has style A and APAC has style B, which you have no way of proving and is also way overgeneralized
if that makes any sense

[solid gate]

I sure hope after 10k battle I get some sense how the normal/casual players doing thing
You're right, I did that because I want to clarify how my playtime in this server causing I to value V4 early game (hope it take the charge, not sniping) more than late game (not at all).

[neat nimbus]

is fun playing the panther 2 in mad games

[fathom sorrel]

What would you guys suggest me to go for after Yoh?

[oak pollen]

FV4005 ~~ (WT E100)~~

[thorny smelt]

What type of tank you're going for?

[copper swan]

268v4 is easier to deal with using 152mm guns

plus 268v4 is not very common

[summer creek]

Whats better? E50m or Leopard 1?

[violet timber]

E50M

[vernal frigate]

depends

[vernal frigate]

If you want an armoured medium with reasonable gun and mobility, go e50m. If you want a fast tank with a great gun and dpm, go leopard

[vernal frigate]

version 4 can be dealt with using tier 9 heavies, its not as absurdly strong as people say

t110e3 is borderline braindead though

[sleek apex]

I like bullying v4's on my Jageroo, either of their cheeks go grey when they slightly angle

[vernal frigate]

ive beaten some version 4s in a 50tp prototyp

[misty wing]

It doesn't depend, E50M is just better

[vernal frigate]

leopard has a completely different playstyle

[empty helm]

Light tank playstyle

[misty wing]

A playstyle that's obsolete and hard to carry with

Also you can literally play an E50M like a leopard and be 90% as effective
It's 100x more flexible

[vernal frigate]

then again it depends on the player and the situation

an e50 will never outrun or outgun a leopard 1, and vice versa for the armour

the "problem" with the leopard 1 is that it sacrifices a lot for it's gun and mobility

leopard has one of the highest DPM values of any tank i tier 10

[misty wing]

A bad player will do better in the E50M, an average player will do better in the E50M, a good player will do better in the E50M

[vernal frigate]

e50m has a lower skill floor and lower skill ceiling
leopard has a high skill floor and an extremely high skill ceiling
that's how the two tanks are different

[misty wing]

Stop trying to use the fact that they have different playstyles as an argument, I can comfortably say the T57 heavy is better than the object 260, because it just is

Also the E50M has higher dpm with HE so technically it has the higher ceiling

[vernal frigate]

saying that e50m has a higher skill ceiling because it has higher DPM with HE is right, until you look at all of the other gun and mobility aspects

[misty wing]

The ceiling of any tank is farming the rear of some poor French tank with HE hitting every shot

[vernal frigate]

usually a player improves by removing human error
think of the survivability onion and the doctrine that leopard was designed around

[misty wing]

Anyway, the Leo 1 isn't going to be performing at its ceiling as much as the E50M is, and even if it is, with AP it is only dealing 12% more dpm. The E50M is easily going to be better on average

[vernal frigate]

then again, E50M has a larger margin for error

[misty wing]

What?

[vernal frigate]

you can make mistakes in e50m and not get punished extremely hard

[misty wing]

So it has a lower margin for error then

[vernal frigate]

in other words: you have more breathing room when playing e50m

[misty wing]

Which is worth more than doing 12% more dpm at your (kind of) peak

[vernal frigate]

lets think about it this way:
E50M: Jack of all trades, master of none
Leopard 1: sacrifices all armour and survivability for agility and firepower
one is easier to play, the other is more annoying if you play it well

neither tank is objectively bad, it mostly depends on the player

[misty wing]

Neither is bad, but if you add up all the E50M's advantages it outweighs the Leo's
Also it's the master of ramming and beating other meds in dogfights

[vernal frigate]

e50m is better at exploiting mistakes of others more often

[misty wing]

let's think of it this way, if person A is better at task A by 50%, and person B is better at task B by 10%, then person A is overall better than person B assuming both tasks are equally important
Even though they trade advantages, the magnitude of one is much larger than the other

the fact that leo's DPM actually drops behind a lot of other meds if given the opportunity to farm with HE is actually a huge setback, considering its playstyle encourages it to get to the sides and rear of enemy tanks frequently

[hollow notch]

Lol
Huge setback
When the HE cant even pen the sides of most tier 10s

[misty wing]

yeah there's that too

[hollow notch]

Sustained HE dpm is completely useless when you won't get a 2nd shot in.

This goes for practically every tier 10 med

[vernal frigate]

Less for 4202

[hot ingot]

i got 4202 researched but somehow i didnt buy it since months lol

[novel current]

I gotta be honest... IS-6 is really fun to play. Last match i played with it, it was on Fort Despair, and I was able to use a wall that was low enough to hide my hull behind at the lowest part, while I was able to pick at the mile high cupola of the Vk-168 I was dueling. Heck, I even blocked a few shots from that Vk when we first got into the duel before we took our side of the wall. Great armor, great gun, and overall fun in the high tiers.

[foggy spire]

It’s okay IMO. The gun is Derpy with terrible DPM, and the armor only works against guns with less than 220mm of pen.

[novel current]

True. But if you can play it smart and go for the weak spots on tanks such as the Vk.168's cupola and glacis plate, it can be good. I also find with it's higher-than-usual-for-heavy's speed, you can do some cheeky flanks

[foggy spire]

True dat. It’s a good heavy, but it’s nothing extraordinary.

[novel current]

Im not saying it's extraordinary, im just saying it's fun to play in my viewing, especially with the right strats

[odd cove]

252u is better imo

[foggy spire]

True. Better overall armor and a punchier gun.

[odd cove]

yes

[novel current]

I can see that. But im trying not to spend any more money and save for more important stuff, so I'll stick with the IS-6 for now as my go to

[vale mortar]

In the right position the 168 is a monster tho, sidescraping in a way you’re able to hide your lower plate and cupola

[novel current]

Yeah, I have had situations like that, and that's why I tend to keep my distance and maybe a building to hide behind. I really only go close quarters if the cover there allows it, or I have a team behind me

[foggy spire]

VK 168 is pointless when the VK 100.01 exists.

[foggy spire]

You saving up for Black Friday/Blitz Fair?

[novel current]

The only tank I would really go for if I had the chance to buy it would be the M60. Im a big sucker for cold war tanks, and i don't really have the time to try and grind the M48

[foggy spire]

How about the Chieftain or something like the Bobject?

[odd cove]

pretty hot tank

[novel current]

Damn right it is. If only we had night battles for night vision to work on, so that IR spotlight up top isn't just for show lol

Also, for Black Friday, are all the tanks gonna be buyable? Or just a select few?

[odd cove]

there's really no other tanks that use or can use nv

[foggy spire]

Not sure.

[novel current]

AMX 30 has that spotlight-looking box on the mantlet, so that could be another one

[odd cove]

but you would have matches filled with m60s and 30b's, and possibly t62s and progettos

[foggy spire]

I want to get the Chieftain.

[novel current]

Well tbh, it can all depend on what cosmetic kit ya got. The IS-6 normally doesn't have an IR spotlight, but the kit that came in the Legend crate does add such a spotlight onto it. I can see why wargaming chose to keep that out. It would be pretty confusing to get that to work, having the game detect whether or not your tank is equipped with an NVD on stock or having it on with a cosmetic kit

And yes, I believe that i know the main reason why night battles aren't a thing.

[foggy spire]

100% tea made tank.

[copper swan]

gravity mode favours the 168

[copper swan]

turret armour is a lie, it is not completely 350mm frontally in all areas on the front

I am able to draw a disgusted face using some of Chieftain Mk 6 weakspots on the front, not counting cupola

okay maybe this is better

[foggy spire]

It’s pretty easy to hide from mid range.

[sleek apex]

It looks sad

[copper swan]

put the turret armour against some heavies and tank destroyers and the turret could get penetrated on the front
there are better heavies with more reliable turret armour

[sleek apex]

T62A, a mt, literally has a stronger frontal turret and the turret armor are more uniformed than the Mk. 6

We hope the pbr version of the Chieftain mk. 6 would give it a better turret armor profile.

[foggy spire]

When is the Chieftain getting PBR?

[misty wing]

they don't seem to be prioritizing tier 10 premiums for PBR

[foggy spire]

What tanks have been getting PBR lately?

[misty wing]

mostly popular tier 8s and tier 10 tech trees

[foggy spire]

Gotcha. So not a lot of premiums?

[misty wing]

I mean they just did the dracula/helsing/lycan
but they're clearly just going for the ultra popular ones

I wouldn't be surprised at all if they do the action x for 9.5

[foggy spire]

Or the Annihilator or Smasher since they’re everywhere.

[misty wing]

like they already did the chimera, t54e2, object 252u, skorpion

I hope instead of giving PBR, they nerf the anni's graphics
that way I can hate it more

idk about you guys but I find games more fun when there's something stupid to complain about
like there can't be heroes without villains ya know

stuff like the anni and 183 do that for me in blitz

[foggy spire]

I suppose. Though Annihilators/Smashers annoy me the most when it comes to tanks. MM gets me infuriated, and ghost shells make me question my sanity.

[smoky skiff]

Ben türküm

[misty wing]

the MM is fine, casual modes are supposed to have very loose matchmaking for the sake of increased randomness (and thus replayability) and fast time to find a match

[foggy spire]

???

@misty wing I play fairly late so MM is pretty terrible.

[smoky skiff]

İm tukish

[misty wing]

no we don't speak turkish here

[smoky skiff]

I no speak english

[misty wing]

use a translator or find a turkish speaking server, nothing we can really do

[misty wing]

hmmmm

[limber berry]

Fat vk 90 turret

[ruby salmon]

Grind for is7 or ussr mt line

[civic charm]

Is7

[fathom sorrel]

For tourney tanks probably
Or for just good

[solid gate]

I would prefer if WG put a hard limit of max 2 td per match

[upper vigil]

what type of shells should i use on my isu-152 and when
i have the last turret

[violet timber]

Use the dpm gun, it’s actually pretty good

[lone herald]

Ok well ISU has no turret i think you mean gun so take that ammo with bl 10
10 ap
4 apcr
6 he

btw also use calli-shels

[upper vigil]

hmm thanks

[violet timber]

Don’t use Cali lmao

Cali is useless on ISU

[misty wing]

Cali on ISU is actually trolling

[pulsar sinew]

If you use calibrated you won’t miss as much 🧐 (because the rof is worse)

[hollow notch]

Rammer isn't all that helpful on a tank that cannot put out sustained fire

[pulsar sinew]

There’s always those moments when a tank just gets behind cover .2 seconds before you can fire and that’s avoided going rammer over cali

[violet timber]

Rammer takes almost a second off the reload 🤷‍♂️

[copper swan]

is it a good idea to use calibrated shells for all autoloaders?

[empty helm]

Yes
Just don't use it on AMX

[violet timber]

There are some where using vents gives you great dpm, such as the T69, but for most cases Cali is better

[wise moth]

I use vents on autoloaders that benefit from things like accuracy and traverse buffs. So something like a 50 b benefits a lot more from vents than cali, whereas I run cali on something like a 57

[copper swan]

and would you choose gun rammer or calibrated shells for big guns like 152mm guns?

[violet timber]

Depends on the penetration

[wise moth]

Rammer for the vast majority

[copper swan]

what tanks would you run calibrated for those big guns

[wise moth]

Pretty much just FV 183 for the memes

[copper swan]

hesh guns?

[gilded badge]

question I currently have a few t9's that sound interesting for me to buy (or at least the t10 does xd) the vickers cr, wz120, m103 and jagdtiger the other ones that I am not really interested are the 704, t54 (for 140) and the vkb. Which one would you get first and why? Or maybe someone is nice and ranks them for me xd

[violet timber]

Vickers, JagdTiger, or T-54 would be my choices

[gilded badge]

Is the 140 really worth it? I have the e50m, m48, stb, t62 and t100 for mediums or "mobile" tanks

But thanks I think I will go with the vickers ^^

[violet timber]

149 is a good pseudo light

[gilded badge]

You mean a t100 with better gun basically xd

[violet timber]

Pretty much

[gilded badge]

And I guess it's also a bit of a smaller Leo with a little bit of armor right

At least that's how I see the 140

What's the most annoying t10 tank (per "type") to play against in your opinion? For me:
Lt: sheri
Mt: tvp
Ht: ig concept 1b but the type is also annoying
Td: 268/4 but the je100 and 4005 also have a special place

[fathom sorrel]

t100lt, tvp, type 71, 268/4

[pallid flame]

nothing

[empty helm]

My tier 10 tank

[deep quest]

t 49 is so bad now the gun is trash

[lyric oriole]

The tank hasn't change much at all other than the PBR model

[blissful hamlet]

I run rammer on my jag and E100, and the 113G FT, but when it comes to something like a 60tp, i use cali

[solid gate]

Only actual difference afaik was losing -10 gun dep over the rear, hardly something you would even notice in the majority of your battles.

[rotund crater]

T-62A or Obj. 140?

[misty wing]

Object 140

[sacred anchor]

Is obj 752 expected to return to the store?

[misty wing]

yes

[lone herald]

Bruh why gunrammer on jag 😥
That hurts my heart

[blissful hamlet]

Dpm, since the pen is good enough

[lone herald]

And how you wanna fight a E3 without calli?

[blissful hamlet]

Simple, weakspots

[misty wing]

I doubt cali makes a difference on an E3 lmao

[misty wing]

cali on basically any TD except the 183 hurts my heart

[plucky summit]

Why cali when 2 hurt enemy anyways? 😳

[lilac mica]

What was the price of Obj 752 last time ?

[misty wing]

like 17.5k or something

[wanton marlin]

Are we going to get Sabaton camo and crew voice lines for this?

[wise moth]

You don’t need Cali on a Jgpz to pen an E3

[foggy spire]

Badger in PC can have 5.2k DPM with the right equipment lol.

[onyx raven]

I did not sped the last hour coming up with an independent Swedish tree with a Unique MT line, PC-inspired (but not entirely copied) TD line, and new low-tier tanks.

What?! How?! (I’m tired of using it to get the euro T6s)

[copper swan]

fast speed and very nice gun depression for a medium tank

[onyx raven]

Yes, then you get to the excruciating grind with a gun that quite frankly makes me want to disappear from this plane of existence

[misty wing]

Is that the tier 5? Imo it is one of the least enjoyable tanks in the game

[lilac mica]

It is

[onyx raven]

Yes. Yes it is.

[fierce abyss]

Make the jager00 has 420mm HEAT pen, compete with Hori

[plucky summit]

It really doesn’t need it

[misty wing]

huh

[solid gate]

It doesn't need, that true, nevertheless it would be funny to have 462 pen

[misty wing]

You'd actually be throwing to run calibrated shells on a jag with 420 heat

[solid gate]

hence I said funny, as I image there would be a nerf to DPM if WG do that (no chance it happen thought)

[misty wing]

I don't see why they would nerf the DPM, the tank is already pretty bad

[solid gate]

Then what would WG nerf if they want to give 420 HEAT pen though?

[misty wing]

nothing, because it doesn't need one

[solid gate]

Didn't I say no chance that happen?

[misty wing]

why bring up hypotheticals in the first place if you're gonna kill off the discussion by saying it won't happen

[solid gate]

There is hardly a discussion to kill in the first place

[misty wing]

what you're saying makes absolutely zero sense

if they buff the jageroo's heat pen, they might nerf the DPM
no, they wont
then what will they nerf?
nothing, because it wouldn't need one
but there's no chance it'll happen

[solid gate]

I like to think when I said there is no chance it won't happen, I basically agree with your premier that Jag doesn't need HEAT pen buff, but I want to know what in your hypothetical scenario WG decided they know better and go for it, what would they take away (if they even brother to take away one at all)

[misty wing]

I'm saying if WG decides to approve the idea of buffing jag's heat pen, they won't take away something as a trade off

[solid gate]

So we are just going in circle because a misunderstanding?

[empty helm]

Why t-34-2 have 200mm turret armor

[plucky summit]

To block shells

[empty helm]

Fair enough

[dreamy osprey]

language

[blissful hamlet]

15/17.5

[thorny raptor]

i’m gonna save gold for the auction and i’m either getting the helsing or the drac and idk which one, help pls

[pulsar sinew]

Why do you want two tanks that are 6 years old and overshadowed?

[thorny raptor]

because im trying to actually get an enjoyable tank

[thorny smelt]

Just get a better one. Dracula is one of the sold-out tanks for those who buy to think it's worth the price.

[thorny raptor]

wdym get a better one?

[thorny smelt]

Dracula is not worth the 12.5K(?) gold in Auctions

[thorny raptor]

yeah i guess, there are good tier x for that price

[cursive vigil]

why do 60TP get ammo racked easiy?, played 24x today and got ammo racked 8x. That's more than i ever get ammo racked in my entire playthrough

[whole flicker]

because yes

[cursive vigil]

so it wasnt just me?, i feels like i played it so wrong

[whole flicker]

rng issue

[cursive vigil]

i have never get ammo racked more than 4x on all of my tanks

[whole flicker]

💀

[wise moth]

The ammo rack has the same health as Soviet mediums and the IS-7. Also, the rack is on the floor, and in the hull cheek, so it's in spots that are commonly hit

[cursive vigil]

may i know where exactly that place is?

[cursive vigil]

oh wow... Thank you very much

[blissful hamlet]

I think i finished my X1A2 proposal, and gave it a bit more horsepower, since 300 hp and a p/w ratio of 15 isn't that good for a lt

[pine violet]

Is this only for the left side or both sides of the tank? I just got the 50TP and curretly working my way towards 60TP. Hoping to learn more about the weakness of this tank.

[civic charm]

Look at the yellow boxes in the image closely

Yes both sides

[limpid hedge]

What about KV-2 in battlepass with slightly increased statistics or a captured German-modification KV-2 754(r)?

[neat nimbus]

is worth grinding the maus

[lilac mica]

Some will say yes some will say no, personally I liked the grind of the Maus. The tier 8 is good

[neat nimbus]

well lets say i can buy the tier 6 tank from that line anytime

[lilac mica]

What’s the tier 6 again
I think I skipped it lol

[blissful hamlet]

It's the 30.01 P

[lilac mica]

I skipped it

[blissful hamlet]

I didn't skip it, but i was dumb and never researched the 88mm on it

[fierce abyss]

E5 got remodel a bit, on wotpc it's bow shape at front, in blitz they make it egg shape. What is the difference between both hull?

[neat nimbus]

should i skip it

[lone herald]

Youre choice

If you realy want it then jes but its up to you

[pulsar sinew]

No Jeffery

[latent token]

Ofc E 50 is a pain

[neat nimbus]

Well that case I skip it

[limber berry]

How should I play the FV215b

[pulsar sinew]

E50 upgraded is extremely good

Who’s he dressed up as?

Please just change it and let’s move on

Before I was asking, now I’m telling you. Change it

[wise moth]

Play hulldown, and then when the opportunity arises, pop reactive/adrenaline and steamroll people with raw DPM

[pulsar sinew]

“Try not to get shot anywhere because something will probably break, someone dies or you’re on fire”

@balmy burrow last chance

[limber berry]

Ty ty

Ok

[fleet berry]

Velo#8670 was banned

[limber berry]

Lmao

[iron glen]

Is the Japanese heavy line worth it?

[lilac mica]

Yes

[naive vale]

How do I play t49 with derp gun?

[onyx raven]

It’s just a KV-2

[plucky summit]

It’s different to be more cohesive to the Sphinx, and the gun + mantlet gives it away as a KV-2

[valid gale]

Bt-42 also does not have external fuel tanks

[iron glen]

When does it get better cuz the chi-he is a pain to play

[lilac mica]

Tier 6-7
Mitsu sucks apparently (I skipped it so I don’t know lol) but after 6 I liked all of them

[iron glen]

Oh okay thanks for the advice i will see if i can skip that one as well

[lilac mica]

You’re welcome

[silk charm]

i kinda... fxp'd my way to tier 8
chi-se was pretty broken upon release, type 68 is decent, and type 71 is a beast

[misty wing]

I kinda free xp'd my way to tier 10 and then stopped playing it after 40 games lmao

[timid wharf]

The t6 really suffers on the pen department, but it’s main strength is dpm, if you typically struggle in low pen tanks run cali but if you don’t rammer makes you a dpm machine

[rigid rover]

type 71 borrowed some stalinium i think lmao

[misty wing]

T69 is so underrated

[opaque flicker]

I'm soon going to get the T110E4 and E100, advice I should use for them?

[plucky summit]

E100 is straight up better 😊

[opaque flicker]

I know, I'm asking for advice, I'm getting both

[misty wing]

E100 is pretty brain dead, you can just trade and you'll do fine
E4 just remember that you're a TD with low HP and not a heavy

[opaque flicker]

Yeah figured the E100 was easy to play, angle the turret, sidescrape, stuff like that?

I'm assuming I stick with my team on the E4

Also angle my turret due to weak gun mantle, wiggle the hull to avoid being penned on the lower plate

Assuming this is correct?

[plucky summit]

Angling the turret is not recommended unless something’s covering your turret side

[opaque flicker]

So slight angle, lock the turret in place, and wiggle

[misty wing]

the E4 is way too slow to make wiggling/angling any use tbh

[opaque flicker]

If the T28 Prot can do it

Its slow wiggle but I've bounced shots like that before

[misty wing]

you probably bounced the shot because the enemy didn't have very good pen or aim, and not because your wiggle threw them off

[opaque flicker]

From a chimera

T28 prototype doesn't have bad armor, it's best used at range behind a bush, the buff it needs is turret and side armor

Otherwise it's not a durable tank, but it's not as bad as people make it out to be, the only issue is people complain about being penned by any tank with high penetration, but that's mostly other tank destroyers or heavies using premium shells

It has pros and cons of course like every other tank, but the main reason the prototype has worse armor overall is because wargaming gave it a turret

Which now that I think about it, it doesn't exactly need a huge buff because if it got buffed, nobody would really play the regular T28 anymore and the Prototype would become much more popular

[misty wing]

no one wants to play either tank, they're just there to grind for the tier 10s

[opaque flicker]

Yeah let's be honest the only great T28 is the HTC

[misty wing]

HTC is meh
T28 Defender is the best one

[opaque flicker]

I prefer the HTC just because of it's insane ability to hide weakspots

[hasty radish]

Hi

[solid gate]

I would say the HTC is superior in its tier to the T 28 Defender in its tier.

[misty wing]

I would say the HTC is one of the worst vehicles in the game for being so ugly

[tepid stump]

HTC isn't too bad of a TD imo

[opaque flicker]

I don't think it looks ugly at all, it just looks different because of its pivoting gun

[solid gate]

Why the heck has the marder 2, panzer 4A had their reloads nerfed horrifyingly?

And why cant the T40 and T82 have their 105s back? Their now suffering tanks and theres no fun in them

[plucky summit]

That’s the point, they don’t want you playing low tier tanks

[solid gate]

Bruh thats stupid.. i want to go back to the fun tanks. not the meta ones

[plucky summit]

I have lots of fun with tanks like Skoda T27, Löwe, and I remember liking T-2020 before the steroids

[solid gate]

But thats not fun because your not one shot deleting tanks with a 105 at tier 3 or 4

[plucky summit]

You know what else is fun? Totally getting one shot by a seal clubbing rat while you’re just trying to learn the game

[solid gate]

Why play a tank thats horrible or would you rather have so much fun one shotting tanks

[solid gate]

Exactly. T82 was removed cause nobody played it.. not because it was overpowered

[plucky summit]

What?! T82 was literally the tier 3 seal clubbing tank

[solid gate]

But still. wargaming said it was not overpowered..
They removed some branch tanks cause they were uncontributing to the grind.. now its easier

[misty wing]

there's a lot of things that are more fun than that

[plucky summit]

They did it to reduce seal clubbing and streamline tech tree lines so new players didn't need to learn about so many different tanks. Or get one shot and learn nothing

[solid gate]

Because they removed the tank.. They have it a snub 75 WHICH SUCKS

[plucky summit]

GOOD.

[misty wing]

but snub 75s are fun too

[solid gate]

But its not satisfying

[plucky summit]

It’s satisfying to carry with a tank that isn’t broken 👀

[solid gate]

Also.. why am i waiting TWELVE SECONDS.. for a 75 to be loaded

[misty wing]

go play high tier if you don't like it

[thorny smelt]

Does it remind you of one of the tier 6 British TDs in WoT PC?

[plucky summit]

Just sit in cover while you reload 4head

[solid gate]

Yeah.. with your entire team..
And no @misty wing high tier is just bad now. bad players everywhere while the enemy team is completely god like.. and im topscoring

And yes. tanks like the marder did need a nerf cause... pak 40 at tier 3.. come on. thats broken

[misty wing]

yup because tier 3 players with 100 battles are going to be much better

[solid gate]

At least its not so sweaty

This is still strong.. i dont know how but its just amazing

Even if it helped new players, WG shouldn’t have just removed any point at all to playing lower tiers. I mean there’s 1-10, why not make them all usable. Even though I love high tiers myself, I know there’s plenty of people who used to enjoy lower tiers before 5.5

im one of those enjoyers.. high tiers was meh but T82 was just ke ni otsu remover

Satisfication 9000 as removes 400 HP in one shot

i need to ask wargaming a question but their not open

[misty wing]

high tier is far better than low tier and it always has been

[solid gate]

more sweats.. more power creep more prammo spam

[misty wing]

are these "sweats" you talk about just people who are more skilled than you

[hollow belfry]

low tier isn’t sweaty because you’re literally up against players with 50 battles who just installed the game

do you also enjoy going to a karate tournament for 8 year olds and very surprisingly beating everyone up?

[hollow belfry]

certainly

[misty wing]

if you do more damage/healing yeah

[misty wing]

no they don't

Just don't play it for now

[copper swan]

high explosive shell magnet 🧲

don't play it, use another tank
even IS 5 would do better

[solid gate]

Yet i havent recieved a single HE

[copper swan]

beginners don't know how to use he

[misty wing]

@@solid gate grow up and play tier 10

[solid gate]

I would but nah

To busy grinding the british lights =>=

[misty wing]

why grind the british lights if your idea of fun is big damage

[solid gate]

Cause why not have large HE pen in a light tank, i can be annoying

[thorny smelt]

Why not go for FV4202?

[misty wing]

so being annoying is your idea of fun
what a great person you must be

just played a game with you lmao @solid gate

idk why your profile is asia when you're playing on NA

[solid gate]

Yeah you cant have 2

[solid gate]

What are y’all’s opinion on the object 260?

[wise moth]

It's like a 113 but with less DPM and less armor

Side note; is your PFP from Galaxy On Fire?

[solid gate]

Yes w you for knowing that game

I honestly thought no one would ever remember that game but as I see there are still people which do!

[wise moth]

The game is goated. Too bad they never made a proper sequel

[solid gate]

Yeah galaxy on fire 3 dissapointed the entire community

[wise moth]

u mean 3? nvm

[solid gate]

Yeah lol

Did u had the DLC? That was pretty fun. Honestly galaxy on fire 2 has a very good lore probaly even one of the best lores.

[wise moth]

Yeah, I redownloaded it last year. I was just a kid when I played it originally, so I didn't have the DLC, but I've just bought the DLC this year

[solid gate]

Nice

[oak pollen]

I think T28 Defender become very deadly in burning game

[lone herald]

K

[empty helm]

T54E2 is a medium
Change my mind

[misty wing]

Probably the worst tier 10 heavy

[fierce inlet]

How good is the t110e5?

[river dew]

Type 71 is a good tank?

[ornate path]

Nope, Yoh feels completely different it’s more like a heavier Chieftain Mk6

[violet timber]

No? It feels either like a heavy auto loading 183, or a heavy bat-chat

[ornate path]

U dumb? T110E5 has a singe shot gun it’s like chieftain but with less dpm and mobility

[violet timber]

You said the yoh feels like a heavier chieftain my dude

[ornate path]

Nope I mean yoh feels completely different and that the T110E5 feels like a heavier Chieftain

[violet timber]

Use commas and periods. What you said means that the yoh feels like a heavier chieftain

[ornate path]

Hell na omg

[violet timber]

“Yoh feels completely different it’s more like a heavier chieftain mk6”. You’re literally saying the yoh feels like a heavier mk6

[plucky summit]

Yeah, it’s disorienting to use context without a clear indicator of when you’re using it

[violet timber]

Talking about the E5 though, it’s literally a big med now with how good the gun handling is

[ornate path]

Lost as hell it feels more like a heavy than a med because the bad mobility. There are many heavy’s with a lasergun which do there job better than this one on E5

My english is not perfekt sry for that

[violet timber]

It doesn’t have poor mobility though, it’s decent enough. And it’s gun handling is literally almost on par with the M48

Crazy accurate for a heavy

[ornate path]

Yea decent… like on a heavy. There are also enough other heavy’s with a better gun. I got myself every single Tier X only the new German med left therefore I saw it by my own

[solid gate]

I think only the chieftain and yoh have accuracy on par with this for a heavy

[ornate path]

Nah T95E6, Fv too

[ornate path]

Yea but if you play the tanks E6 for example feels more accurate than e5 trust

[violet timber]

Just because it Fels s’more accurate doesn’t mean it is more accurate

[ornate path]

Okay bob

[violet timber]

I could say the 183 feels more accurate, but it’s not, is it?

[ornate path]

Kidshooters gunhandling is doggy

[solid gate]

Ah forgot about Fv, and didn't know the E6 was that accurate. Although it's not as accurate as the E5. There's still only 3 other heavies that are on par, and only one tech tree.

[obsidian mirage]

WG be like: Buff e5 hull and make him become broken tank like type 71 🗿

[misty wing]

Okay bob
Kidshooters gunhandling is doggy

What does all this even mean lmao

[ornate path]

Kidshooter = Fv 183
Bob = someone who takes everything too seriously

[misty wing]

it's pretty normal to be serious when there's a disagreement about something + your grammar made some stuff unclear

[violet timber]

I’m not really taking this seriously, its just another day on the official discord 🤷‍♂️

[ornate path]

Yea I’m from Rumania and Germany :3

[ornate path]

Tmm

[solid gate]

Bro the Italian CC 56 load the first shell take 21.73 seconds, you can make a cup of tea while waiting it reload

[final vapor]

Tier 9 Italian TD has 13° of gun depression omegalul

[limber berry]

Should I grind the Hori to counter Italian TDs?

[final vapor]

All of them look so cracked bruh, just judging from stats on the tier 7 it looks like the turret is a hard thing to crack

[limber berry]

Can we get much higher? (Higherrr) so highhh

[plucky summit]

The tier 8’s “stock” gun is cracked

[final vapor]

2.9k base dpm

[plucky summit]

It’s a heavy that traded HP for much more DPM

[final vapor]

Just imagine with modules and provisions combined with 11° of gun depression

[plucky summit]

It’s not base DPM, provisions are already given

[final vapor]

Huh so it's not? Well it's 2.9k still which is still cracked especially since it's gonna frontline

[plucky summit]

Yeah. The limited turret may present some concerns, though

[final vapor]

Can get flanked but honestly I can just see the thing dominating a ridge line with the 11° so unless you drive it out into the open and alone then you'll be pretty fine

The cupolas are also absolutely tiny to the point that I doubt they even exist on the tier 8

[novel current]

well... finally got my first Tier 9 today (M46 Patton) and so far... 2 wins, and 6 losses... high tier is such a joke...

[plucky summit]

It’s stock, isn’t it?

[novel current]

yep

[misty wing]

Two words
Free xp

[fierce inlet]

if its his first tier 9, he won't have a lot of free xp

[misty wing]

Then, uh
Good luck with your tier 9 pershing

[misty wing]

at least it has PBR