vehicles-discussion

[rare crater]

The idea for M41D started during the 2nd Taiwan Strait Crisis. In view of aggressive PLA exercises aimed to protest against the talks given by the new ROC government, ROCA was in dire need for an overhaul upgrade of the M41 against possible landing operations from PLANMC, along with the insufficient amount of CM11 and M60A3 TTS on hand.
(Ment to post this)

Your right about the gun change tho i dont think the tank in wot has its high presure Apfsds round

calibre of the M32K1 cannon remained 76 mm, it could fire the high-pressure M464 APFSDS due to the self-tightening design of the cannon, and the muzzle velocity of the projectile could reach 1,400 m/s. The new ammunition could penetrate the frontal armour of Type 59 and Type 69 MBTs that the Communist forces equipped at that time.

[robust orchid]

It's Chinese in origin because they used some M41 Walker Bulldog Light Tanks in their inventory and modified them to fit their requirements so they don't have to constantly import from overseas and because the East and the West were starting to have some beef on each other

[rare crater]

Which china are we talking about here

[empty helm]

From a tank discussion to politic discussion

[rigid thunder]

It isn't. As far as I know, China has had no history of owning M41s of any variant. The M41D is a strictly Taiwanese modification of old M41s given to them by the US. The guy above literally has the entire explanation, so if you were trying to troll at least make it more funny -_-

[robust orchid]

The M41D is a modification of the American M41A3 Walker Bulldog tank developed in the Republic of China. The vehicle was equipped with the DD 8V-71T diesel engine, a modern fire control system, a modernized M32K1 gun, and side screens. In addition, the tank used a new type of ammunition. A total of 50 vehicles were modernized.

Source: Official Wargaming Website and Wikipedia

Wait what

[rigid thunder]

that's taiwan......

[thorny smelt]

Well Republic of China IS Taiwan. It is its other name.

[robust orchid]

Omfg my geography 💀
Meh, still WAS China, so...I'm technically still right....right...??

[thorny smelt]

Taiwan = Republic of China = Formosa

[empty helm]

Taiwan or Taiwan

[robust orchid]

C h i n a

[empty helm]

Taiwan or Taiwan

[silk rampart]

Does anyone know when carro 45 t will come or caliban?

[thorny smelt]

No one knows

[silk rampart]

Also is the T28 Def immune to HE? ;-;

[plucky summit]

Nope

[thorny smelt]

No one is immune to HE

[silk rampart]

Because I bounced 2 HE from Smasher in a row and it cost me the game. He was on 100 hp

[solid gate]

Not immune, but you need decent HE pen to go through even the rear, which is unusual for American tanks. The side is covered in spaced armour so that’s immune, and the front is safe against anything but the highest HESH pen

[silk rampart]

If I knew. I lost that game because of that.

[solid gate]

You were in a smasher and tried to HE? If he had 100 HP then that was a smart choice, but you must have aimed at the wrong area for splashing

[oak pollen]

T28 Defender side is have space armor
But it not cover all side

[charred vigil]

Technically right ROC is it’s official name

Taiwan is like name they use to distance themselves from the mainland

[thorny smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/correct-you-are-correct-right-your-correct-correction-gif-20471501

[violet timber]

The side isn’t immune

The rear isn’t even that bad, especially with this. The rest is 50mm, which is still quite thin

[empty helm]

That's literally where they cover the engine with boxes

[cursive vigil]

i will buy all Equipment, any Recommendation for 121B?

[sleek apex]

Def module protection, the ammorack are known to be quite fragile

[neon fog]

best 60tp loadout

[violet timber]

Debatable

[neon fog]

the mobility is so good rho

[violet timber]

It’s mobility is okay, not too good but not horrible

[neon fog]

if you run it with gear oil and engine thing its pretty good on acceleration

[violet timber]

Gear oil only affects top speed

[neon fog]

the other engine provision

[violet timber]

I wouldn’t call this pretty good for acceleration

[solid gate]

No, it affects acceleration too, if I’m thinking of the right thing. Also top reverse speed

[violet timber]

If it does affect acceleration, it’s so minimal as to be negligible

[neon fog]

sould i go for the vickers light, proggeto or the e100

[solid gate]

What do you mean the side isn’t immune? It’s covered in spaced armour isn’t it? Of course it can still be splashed, nearly nothing can. Guess I need to check the HE pen on my mod 1, from experience in battle the T 28 def looked a bit stronger than 50 MM, that’s still fairly decent for an American tanks rear, especially a TD.

[solid gate]

I think it’s like half of what fuel provisions give you, which can make a difference. It’s very nice on the 53 TP. 60 TP the difference wouldn’t be that great cause it’s a % thing

[solid gate]

Oh right, guess that’s always been too thick to notice when aiming at the side with HE, but yeah my mistake

[misty wing]

Improved control is horrible

[misty wing]

I would also take rammer and high end consumables

[hollow mauve]

guys is it just me or is the WZ 122 TM purely relied on lukc and rng

[solid gate]

Just you

[hollow mauve]

how come?

[opaque flicker]

The tank that doesn't have access to its missiles?

[hollow mauve]

it doesnt and the accuracy is probvably the worst at tier 8 xd

[solid gate]

It’s a good tank, yes the gun is inaccurate, you just need to aim carefully

[hollow mauve]

doesnt matter if u aim carefully. you will miss anyway. u have to beg for rng to put the shot straigth. which is why its purely reliant on rng or 10meters battels

[opaque flicker]

It moves more like a quick heavy than a fast medium, it also has the gun of a heavy so of course it's not the most accurate, it's a weird tank

[hollow mauve]

its slower than some of my heavies and has less armour and very easy to hit weakspot from clsoe range while u would miss a maus

[solid gate]

Well yeah you need to frontline. Not every shot will hit, it’s like a t 34 2 gun I think

[opaque flicker]

Yeah it's not the greatest, I just like it for its looks

[hollow mauve]

if you have rng on yoru side its a very good tank
if not you will have 0-400 dmg

[misty wing]

It's not good

Basically an Is-3 with no pike nose and more gun depression, in exchange for far worse penetration and HP (and has turret weakspots)

[solid gate]

Don’t own it but I think it’s quite decent, I’ve heard it described as a better chimera in a way

[hollow mauve]

pretty much spot on

[hollow mauve]

yes oof its so bad :/

[opaque flicker]

I do notice the fact that it needs a buff, like a maneuverability buff or gun change

[misty wing]

If you think of it this way it is objectively quite bad. It's not anywhere close to the chimera, as the mobility stats are nearly identical to Russian heavies like the Is-3, only with a bit higher top speed

[misty wing]

Doesn't prove anything

[hollow mauve]

as if a sht tank would block that much dmg

[solid gate]

A small top speed difference is massive though. But yeah I’d need to check it out a bit closer. You’re description basically says it’s like an IS 3 but completely different lol

[hollow mauve]

if he comapres it to an is3 then u can absically say your team has an extra heavy xd

[solid gate]

That doesn’t prove it’s a good tank, it’s a random battle. Grilles have got steel walls apparently btw lol. FYI that word isn’t allowed here so I’d edit it

[misty wing]

The top speed difference doesn't mean anything if you struggle to reach it except when going downhill. And no you don't have an extra heavy on your team, because 203mm APCR standard is horrible and you don't have heavy HP

[misty wing]

If you were to make a description comparing it to the chimera it'd be a lot longer

[hollow mauve]

why do people always looka t standard whene veryone spams gold?
look at its highest pen cuz thats what eveyron e has xd

[misty wing]

Then the people you're facing don't know what they're doing and are throwing away their dpm for no reason

[solid gate]

Fair enough, however just going by play styles. Depression in itself is already a huge difference

[misty wing]

Yeah it opens up some different playstyles for sure, but when you look at the trade off it's not worth it imo. We are in a heavy meta after all

[hollow mauve]

i played t62A and kpz 50T i get way better games in kps cuz of the extra depression since i can shoot from steeper angles

[hollow mauve]

is3 is a total garbage tank tho also the wz does very well in a shot to shot trade

[solid gate]

Yeah, maybe it isn’t as good as I think. Mod 1 is a med that’s surprisingly good though, I thought it would just be fairly gimmicky and was told the armour wouldn’t work, but it works really well and is a better tank than I would have thought, although the gun could still do with a buff up to the t 44s standard. It works nicely though

[misty wing]

But the "total garbage tank" has a better gun than the one that "does very well in a shot to shot trade"

Anyway idk why you're so vehemently defending the 122 TM now when you said before that it's totally reliant on luck and rng

[solid gate]

Yeah depression makes things easier. Although the lower profile of the T62a would partly make up for the lack of 1 degree

[hollow mauve]

agasint mediums no medium vs heavy. is3 does heavy vs heva and get shat on

[misty wing]

I'd rather have any normal or autoloader medium over the 122TM if I actually wanted to play the standard medium role

[solid gate]

Better in what way? Pretty sure accuracy on the IS 3 is far worse, at least on movement dispersion

[misty wing]

Just pen really. From my experience playing the 122TM it struggled against random mediums that I usually thought of as having no armor

Like O-47s, M46 Patton, Panther 88, stuff like that

[solid gate]

203 mm APCR is comparatively decent, a lot of tier eight meds and lights have 180 AP. I think 203 MM APCR is better than that? At least vs flattish armour

[hollow mauve]

it is but even luck and rng cant save is3 which u compared it to

[misty wing]

Off the top of my head only Pershing and T-44 do, for meds at least. The French, Germans, British, and STA-1 all have more than that. But all of them have more mobility to get to the sides of enemies. The WZ kinda can't, especially not with the traverse it has

[misty wing]

IS-3 has 1800 health, a turret you can rely on, and a better gun than most of its brothers. It's more than enough to do well in

[hollow mauve]

easy to pen top and hull

[solid gate]

Well including non tech trees, the Pershing, t 44, t 54 mod 1 (175 mm actually), t 44 100, t 34 2, t 34 3, I think S Pershing and T 69, and a few others I can’t remember. I meant to include lights though, the Ru 251, lekpz m41, T 49 on its 225 alpha gun I think, I think amx does, T 54 ltwt, lt 432. Fair point about mobility, however a lot of those tanks aren’t particularly mobile. I think you’re just used to playing heavies, I’m a med main, you just work around bad pen

[misty wing]

Half of those tanks are really bad and the other half have something to make up for it in a way the 122tm cant

And meds are my most played class

[solid gate]

Does it have decent prammo pen? Cause that’s often more important, it’s hard when both pens are bad like t 44

[misty wing]

It's got 270 heat I think

[solid gate]

Also they’re pretty decent tanks, and the mod 1 which has horrible acceleration and top speed and has the worst AP pen in its tier with bad prammo pen is actually nice to play, quite easy and a decent tank

[misty wing]

Mod 1 good? Nah you're just being too nice to tanks now lol
Draw a line somewhere and just say the bottom 33% of tanks are bad

[solid gate]

Makes sense, so you haven’t really got anything to complain about, 203 MM APCR and 270 HEAT on a tier eight med is fantastic, I’m not sure why you bring this up as a point against the tank

[solid gate]

Well I would have said it was gimmicky but not great until I bought it. I was told it was pretty bad, but after playing it it actually works extremely nicely

[misty wing]

203mm APCR with the gun handling and mobility that thing has truly is bad. I suspect viking's complaint about the luck and rng aspect is due to that combo.

Believe me it looks alright on paper, but feels like torture to actually use

[hollow mauve]

284 heat

[misty wing]

Keep in mind I have absolutely no issues playing 240 pen meds in tier 10 using rammer

[misty wing]

That's just wrong, according to blitzstars at least

[vale mortar]

Stg is amazing

[misty wing]

You're really looking at max pen instead of average 💀
Might as well say it has 500 alpha now

[solid gate]

That’s the pen range, RNG can give it up to 284. Average pen is 270

You could also say it has 257 HEAT

[hollow mauve]

thats pretty much where my rng is
255 heat and attracted to tracks

[solid gate]

You need to pay WG for premium RNG; have you done so?

[hollow mauve]

nah it comes in loot boxes with 0.001% chance

[solid gate]

Keep spending for it then

[hollow mauve]

cheaper to hire someone to force them

[solid gate]

That too, up to you

[hollow mauve]

my hate for wg devs will choose the second option ngl

[misty wing]

WG gets a lot of hate but I don't think they're any worse than other game companies

[solid gate]

Yep

[hollow mauve]

i hate any devs who ruin their games with unnecessary rng

i udnerstand loot crate rng and drop rate rng but fckign dmg rng in thsi game is to high. pen too

[solid gate]

It’s fine, it’s a normal part of the game. Better edit that btw mate

[hollow mauve]

games are won and lost by poor rng and that ruisn the whole thign imo

[misty wing]

Pen rng is nearly nonexistent in blitz
Damage rng is necessary to keep things from getting stale

[violet timber]

It’s not that bad. Most of the time pen rng has no decision on wether you pen or not, and damage rng ends up averaging out to the tanks alpha anyways so it doesn’t really matter. Aim rng can be minimized through skill.

[hollow mauve]

i have shot flat armour which was all white and it didnt go through

[violet timber]

Proof?

[misty wing]

Inb4 he shot at his teammate

[solid gate]

RNG isn’t the deciding factor in the game, skill is. It’s merely something to take into account and work around

[hollow mauve]

nah i dont have all my replays just the past 50 games. i shot the turret on an amx 50 B who was angled down to amke it flat towards me and dint go through

[hollow mauve]

there is a 1v1. u have 400 alpha and he has 320HP and u leave him with 1 HP then he gets u

[plucky summit]

Ah yes, ignore all the previous rolls that got him down to 320 anyways

[violet timber]

50B does have a chonker of a mantlet

[solid gate]

Rare, but that’s just something to know might happen. Skill still decides the majority of games

[misty wing]

I've lost like 1 game in the past 1000 due to a lowroll from myself

[hollow mauve]

how about the front side

[solid gate]

It’s got a very troll turret, it’s extremely easy to bounce when you think it might pen

[violet timber]

It can still be very angled at parts

[hollow mauve]

so you ahev t always expect a min roll?

[plucky summit]

No, but don’t go insane if it happens

[violet timber]

I always expect an average roll. Never any more, never any less.

In the Jageroo, I got a natural max HE roll and a min roll with AP in the same game. Rngesus giveth, rngesus taketh away.

[plucky summit]

Natural max rolls 😫

Why the angle? @hollow mauve

[violet timber]

Notice how there is red there.

[hollow mauve]

thats he angle i bounced the amx with my is4

[plucky summit]

The fact you even shot there 🗿

[violet timber]

Major skill issue

[hollow mauve]

rng issue xd

[violet timber]

Nah, just aim anywhere below the gun and rng wouldn’t matter at all

[plucky summit]

Sounds like you didn’t give yourself time to narrow the circle down

[solid gate]

The 50b turret would have been bouncing around, it’s an oscillating one. It’s far more troll than that picture looks

[violet timber]

Yolo 🤪

[hollow mauve]

was as narrow as is4 gets

[violet timber]

This is the real troll part of the AMX armor though

[plucky summit]

Admitting skill issue 😳

[hollow mauve]

they gave it a moustache

btw did they nerf obj 752 recnetly

[balmy compass]

I don't think so

[hollow mauve]

it seems ot ahve less pen

[blissful hamlet]

I think it still have the same pen, 245/340/68

[plucky summit]

What makes you say that?

The last change I know is from 8.9, where It lost engine power and gained dispersion

[hollow mauve]

ofc, russians cant have anything below 0.3
sht accuracy is liek their thing i figured

[blissful hamlet]

Well, i don't know since i got it on 9.2

[plucky summit]

To be fair it's not a 105mm or anything

[hollow mauve]

my is4 has .031. t110e5 has 2mm less but 0.269. t57 with same calliber has 2.87. maus with 128mm has 0.326. mk6 with 120 has 0.277

[hollow mauve]

is it a good tank or just noob enemies?

met it once but i was in a tier 9

borrasque has the same reload almsot with only 600 dmg or smth

[plucky summit]

You deal 1240 in the course of 35.8s

[hollow mauve]

sheesh thats long

[plucky summit]

22.5 💀

Honestly just a more usable IS-3D

[violet timber]

Borasque is also basically a ghost and it super mobile

[plucky summit]

7.5

[radiant coral]

IS-3D just for the extra Russia-troll armor

[plucky summit]

I'm gonna blame blitzhangar for being old, then 🤷‍♂️

[hollow mauve]

guess who just lost to rng. fully aimed missed a lower place fckign twice. the tank was 1 hit
gave him a chacne to shoot me so lsot

games are won by rng not aim or skill

[violet timber]

Ah yes, 70%ers Just get better rng, no skill involved whatsoever

[hollow mauve]

if they miss lower plate and die it was purely because they aimed bad and not rng

[violet timber]

Yes

[hollow mauve]

why was it not rng?

[violet timber]

Because most lower plates are so big that if you miss, you just aimed poorly

[hollow mauve]

everyone who say it isn't is kind off inactive between their ears lol

[violet timber]

Could you Type properly so I don’t get a stroke trying to understand you?

[hollow mauve]

not all tanks has a very obious to hit lwoer palte and shots odesnt always go in the middle where you aim

[violet timber]

Shots tend to hit in the middle 50% of the circle. As Long as That is covering the lower plate, you’ll hit it most of the time

[hollow mauve]

if u get a stroke from that u need to go to thge doc, u got garbage health lmao

[violet timber]

If you don’t get a stroke you need to get your brain checked. Trying to read what you type is like trying to understand Egyptian hieroglyphs.

[hollow mauve]

do you mean ur brain is supposed to get a stroke? makes sense man

[violet timber]

What are you even trying to say?

[hollow mauve]

can u point out which sentence?

[violet timber]

I could, but then I’d just be pointing out every sentence.

[hollow mauve]

u gotta learn english, its obvious lol

[violet timber]

I gotta learn English? Dude, you can barely spell properly, much less put together a coherent thought

[hollow mauve]

sure correct one of my sentences

it should be a big difference after u corrected it with ur excellent english

[violet timber]

What does this sentence even mean?

[hollow mauve]

i have to get my brain checked if i dont get a stroke. its like ur saying ti smth wrong if it doesnt . idk about you but my brain is not supposed to get a stroke

sure go ahead and get a stroke. i wont mind. but im pretty sure a stroke is a bad thing and not supposed to happen

[violet timber]

What else would get a stroke? Your leg? You brain is the only thing in your body that gets a stroke lmao

[hollow mauve]

bruh you are dim witted. if you really mean ur supposed to get a stroke why havnt u gotten one yet

[violet timber]

Have you ever heard of a hyperbole? It’s an exaggeration to make a point. I have said that I would get a stroke as a hyperbole for how bad your sentence structure and spelling is.

[hollow mauve]

and i said i didnt get it and because i didnt get a stroke i had to get my brainc hecked becuase it was smth wrong
or do you go to the doc for fun?

and you're gone xd

[robust orchid]

Huh, the WZ-111 M5A can actually be a good credit grinding tank, sweet

[plucky summit]

You do realize this RNG applies to your lower plate, too, so the skill difference makes itself visible in the chaos of RNG-based situations, right?

[pallid flame]

shh

[plucky summit]

🤔

[misty wing]

Those aren't great credits though

But tbh credit earning hinges more on getting mastery badges nowadays

[robust orchid]

Yeeeeep, but still, that much credits are more than I usually earn at Tier X, I usually get less than 10k creds

Hitting 30k credits after a Tier X match makes me happy already

[brave juniper]

Making 100k barely makes me happy, 150k+ is acceptable and 200k is good 🐳

[plucky summit]

Spoiled

[robust orchid]

Simple things make me happy :v

[misty wing]

I kinda dig the M IV Y ngl

[misty wing]

kinda sucks how long the intra clip is though, tier 9 meds have way more dpm without the clip reload factor

[brave juniper]

7s is good enough for me, kinda like playing tiger 2 but American version 🤔

[tulip knot]

Nice

[robust orchid]

Nope, never joined training rooms ever after I joined that one roleplay training room, I wished my eyes were bleached 💀

[misty wing]

M-IV-Y or M-III-Yoh

[foggy spire]

M-3-Yoh IMO.

[robust orchid]

M-IV-Y for me

[pliant pike]

Add WZ-114 WG

[pallid flame]

No

[misty wing]

they're gonna add all the PC tanks eventually except for the swedish TDs and japanese superheavies

[robust orchid]

Oof no twerk tank :<

[limber berry]

What

[foggy spire]

Why not?

[misty wing]

swedish mechanic too complicated
JP heavies too big and toxic

[foggy spire]

What mechanics?

[misty wing]

the siege mode/travel mode

[foggy spire]

Also Japanese super heavies are basically worse E100s.

[misty wing]

notice I didn't mention anything related to performance when I specified why they wouldn't add them

[foggy spire]

They suck in PC, and nobody really plays it after HE rework and the 15 CM gun rework.

[misty wing]

notice I didn't mention anything related to performance when I specified why they wouldn't add them

[foggy spire]

And? I said that it’s no longer toxic due to its nerfs. Basically a Conway gun strapped onto a Japanese heavy.

[misty wing]

1. No you didn't say it's no longer toxic, you said "it sucks"
2. they're still too big, and too hard for WG to balance properly so they won't bother

[foggy spire]

But they’re only slightly larger than the Maus, so it’s simple.

[misty wing]

also, blitz doesn't have the HE nerfs so :/

[foggy spire]

Then why don’t E100s spam HE sine they have the same alpha.

[misty wing]

because they actually have good AP and HEAT that are often more effective

[foggy spire]

See. So anime tank will be not toxic since it’s AP round has 260mm of pen and doesn’t have HEAT. Also the 14CM gun has trash premium pen at 290mm. So basically…a less toxic and good E100.

[misty wing]

it still is a big boat of a tank that can't be penned frontally by standard shells.
Its playstyle is awkward and one dimensional, making it either completely overpowered or completely useless depending on the situation
that's why it's toxic and stupid to add

[plucky summit]

Moonco, never happening, stop.

[foggy spire]

WG should just tweak the tank by making it have similar armor profile as the Chi Se. A weaker lower plate and pennable turret, but strong UPF. Also buff pen on the 14 cm to 250 with standard and 320 with premium. Then would be interesting.

[misty wing]

how about no

[foggy spire]

It’d be interesting for another Japanese heavy tank to branch off after the Chi Se. More mobile heavies vs the slower heavies.

[plucky summit]

It’s also interesting if you showed us all the Jap Heavy posters in your bedroom

[misty wing]

Then they can make the Type 81 which is even fatter than the type 71 and has dual tracks and with a rear mounted turret

[foggy spire]

Is that even real or what?

@plucky summit The salt maker.

[dreamy osprey]

word of advice. Moonco4life has once suggested a tank like this. There are many suggestions like this. i hope you understand the rest of the story. @plucky summit @misty wing

[plucky summit]

Look up T30A

[foggy spire]

Well that was a joke post. And if you read the Type 5 heavy proposal, it has a weak lower plate and pennable turret. Just saying, people like you always read the headline.

[dreamy osprey]

Umm.... No?

[plucky summit]

You often defend your admittedly terrible ideas

[dreamy osprey]

m8 i have been watching you for like last 2 months. all of your suggestions have been this outrageous without any care for balance or people playing any other tank than that.

[foggy spire]

Ehem, like suggesting a small armor buff to the Death Star or maybe adding in a balanced version of the Type 5? Super OP right?

[dreamy osprey]

this was 2 days ago

[plucky summit]

Like suggesting a 2000/3000/3000 alpha 183 🗿

[foggy spire]

See the joke tag?

[dreamy osprey]

you edited it after you got confronted by others

[foggy spire]

No. I edited it after 30 seconds, and it was 1 AM with nobody really awake. So…you’re just salty that I can make a joke tank.

[plucky summit]

Ez trolling mute 😳

[foggy spire]

How about this, make some more salt so I can make some French fries. I like eating them salty French fries.

[dreamy osprey]

umm no? It doesn't really counts as trolling.

[plucky summit]

No I’m just the guy on my team

[dreamy osprey]

Anyways. This was just a word of advice for ya both to not take him seriously.

i ma headoff

[foggy spire]

And I’m the guy trying to get 2k average on my FV 215b 183.

[misty wing]

New idea: the Moonco tank
Is the size of an oil tanker, and has quintuple tracks with the turret of a WT auf E100 mounted all the way at the back.
Has a 5 minute reload for a clip of 10 shots
183mm gun with 1200/2000/2000 alpha
1 second intraclip with perfect accuracy
10 km/h top speed
when it dies it turns into 10 Type 5 heavies controlled by AI

[dreamy osprey]

.... now that would count as trolling yerrif since its on purpose.

[misty wing]

wait is trolling against the rules?

[dreamy osprey]

yes.

[foggy spire]

I’m pretty sure.

[foggy spire]

Now I’m hungry for some chocolate.

[pliant pike]

New idea : don't add a Tank

[plucky summit]

[pliant pike]

😋

[foggy spire]

New idea: Delete all tanks except for the OG tanks from the first version of WOTB for April Fools Day. That way the OGS can have some nostalgia for a single day. (Joke.)

[misty wing]

I don't even remember what the OG tanks were tbh

• VK 72, all european lines, all french and chinese lines, type 71, ho-ri, FV4005, T57, all light lines?

[plucky summit]

Also like, Foch, too

[foggy spire]

IDK if that was a joke, but no frenchies, Asian lines, or Pan-European line. Also no vk 72. The OG MAUS line was the vk4501 to the Maus.

[misty wing]

all french

[odd cove]

t-46

[plucky summit]

Foch is its own tank, cracked little thing

[foggy spire]

I want my luchs back. Was so OP back when it was released.

[misty wing]

what next, you want the EBR to be added?

[plucky summit]

Buy it back smh

Just 100 gold, no?

[foggy spire]

It was removed from the game, and I sold it like 3 years ago.

[plucky summit]

Vehicle restoration 🙃

[foggy spire]

What’s the farthest sell date you can restore?

[plucky summit]

I thought as long as you’ve played it, you can get it back, given it’s still in the game at all

[foggy spire]

Alright then. I’ll give it a try.

[misty wing]

they should make the Foch 155 autoloader gun the stock gun, and make the upgraded gun a 120mm (combining the foch 155 and foch B from PC)

[foggy spire]

Nah. The 120mm has worse pen. Make it like the WT E100 and make the 120mm the stock and the 155 the upgrade.

[misty wing]

Maybe if you want to rename the whole tank to Foch B.
If the tank's name has 155 in it, then the 155 should be the tank's default configuration

[foggy spire]

Eh, maybe then add in the Foch B as a collector tank.

[misty wing]

that's really pointless tbh, especially because we can't buy collector tanks for bonds or whatever it is like on PC

[foggy spire]

In PC, they’re sold for extremely high credit prices in the black market events. The FV 215b 183 was sold for 15 million credits.

[misty wing]

it's available for 12000 bonds according to the wargaming wiki. The black market are always exceptions

[foggy spire]

Eh, most get it for credits.

[misty wing]

source?

[foggy spire]

IDK. Just a lot of posts on the forums about purchasing the Death Star in the black market.

[misty wing]

oh shoot you said the 183
I thought the normal 215b

[foggy spire]

Yeah, I meant the Death Star. Bit different on how to acquire the two.

[solid gate]

This at an auto ricochet angle? In battle I could have sworn it was, however I’m not so certain looking at the replay

120 MM calibre gun, and 75 MM nominal hull armour so 3CR doesn't apply

@plucky summit

@sleek apex uhh sorry but mind if I test this again? I'm thinking maybe the last shot was an auto ricochet angle, I need to just get a nearly flat angle to be sure

[sleek apex]

Ok sure

Sorry if i had you waiting

[solid gate]

@wise moth is that an auto Rico angle? The problem is effective armour gets above 240 MM (apcr pen on 50b) at like a 72 degree angle, so to get an auto ricochet angle thats not got effective armour above 240 you need to get nearly exactly 70 degrees

[solid gate]

Cool! No all good, sorry to trouble you

I think the effective armour on the sides vs this pen is too close to where the auto Rico angle stops, we need a Ho Ri that can blast through any amount of effective, and have the angle at 80 degrees to make certain

[empty helm]

It's gun is good

Just look at the aiming time

[robust orchid]

I have a Ho-Ri

[solid gate]

No don't lol, it's a good gun cause of the alpha and dpm, but on move accuracy is absolutely atrocious, you to stop to fire every time, and dispersion is also horrible. Aiming time is the only good thing

[solid gate]

Well I'll need to see what tanks I have that'll work vs it, and also do you know how to screen record?

[distant nymph]

The Chinese meds have peek a boom as their main tactic

[robust orchid]

Yeeep, my phone has a built-in screen recorder

[solid gate]

Perfect, just let me check my tanks

[empty helm]

In exchange for the 122

[robust orchid]

Alright sure

[solid gate]

Thanks for offering to help, what's your IGN? if you like you can just message me in game, my IGN is the same as on here, no capital C @empty helm yeah I'm not saying it's a bad gun, but accuracy wise it is

[robust orchid]

No problem, and Panzerweinen04 is my IGN, I'll go online

[solid gate]

Ok cool, thanks

@robust orchid are you on? Sorry it took me a minute to find you

[robust orchid]

Yeah I'm on, lemme log in

[solid gate]

Sorry I was off lol, be on in a sec

[robust orchid]

I forgot to switch to AP Type II for the first few shots, the last ones were Premium AP Type II, lemme just send the recording

[solid gate]

That’s alright, that’s even weirder if it wasn’t prammo

[robust orchid]

I had to edit and cut it to a shorter size because it wouldn't send, sorry for the wait

Also yes, I'm running crew voice mods (By swapping in-game files with different voiceline files via file manager and downloaded resources) which isn't illegal or not allowed from what I remember

@solid gate

[kindred wren]

Ah, we are exploring the infamous bug

Any results so far?

[robust orchid]

The video above shows me using my Ho-Ri III with Cali and Prammo penetrating what's supposed to be an auto-bounce area of a T-22 Medium, so far, 4 of all 4 shells were successful penetrations

[kindred wren]

If you want to gauge auto ricochet angles you can use the Foch. Because it has no spaced armour covering the upper side you can see the cut between auto ricochet and below especially well (it‘s also relatively thin armour while being thick enough to deny triple overmatch)

[robust orchid]

I see, does anyone have a Foch?

[hard cipher]

Tips for the easy 8?

[blissful hamlet]

This server is english only,

[glossy kindle]

Ok

[blissful hamlet]

If you're looking for the ru server, check pins

[hard cipher]

So uh

[kindred wren]

Hulldown and snap

[solid gate]

Perfect, great job. I think that’s conclusive, let me check blitz stars though

[hard cipher]

Can some rate my e8 play cus idk if im doing it right or not

[kindred wren]

Sure

[empty helm]

What is an e8

[hard cipher]

Hold on

[kindred wren]

M4A3E8 Sherman (nicknamed Easy Eight)

[empty helm]

Ok ty

[hard cipher]

Can i just stream it(its taking long to compress)

[kindred wren]

I would prefer just the replay in #replays

[solid gate]

@kindred wren @robust orchid you missed the point, @ chickenman realised something was wrong a while back, auto ricochet angles weren’t shown as a bounce in blitz stars or armour inspector. Apparently 3CR when applied to spaced armour (it’s like 6 mm usually) was then transferring to the hull, which is extremely bad for some tanks when sidescraping. Basically means they can’t sidescrape using auto Rico angles, only effective armour. Chickenman has done tests in the past but wasn’t sure when positive challenged it recently, I was curious so thought I’d do some testing too

[hard cipher]

How to send replays

[kindred wren]

I know about the backstory since I played a part in it

[solid gate]

Right, well Foch is a bad example cause it hasn’t got spaced armour

[kindred wren]

In fact I ran my own tests regarding all the penetration mechanics and came to a similar conclusion

[robust orchid]

Would the Sheridan be a good test subject?

[kindred wren]

The point about using the Foch is not to show the bug but to gauge the 70 degrees ricochet angle in battle

The better way is to use WoTinspector‘s shot analysis but whatever

[kindred wren]

Yesn‘t, because the Sheridan isn‘t flat below that spaced armour so unless you use WoTinspector‘s replay tool you will have a hard time estimating the angle

[hard cipher]

@kindred wren #replays finally found out how

[solid gate]

Well yeah but I presume that’s fine

[kindred wren]

It is, that‘s why I would use it as a reference

[hard cipher]

So uhh how is it

[kindred wren]

That battle went pretty well. The two main things I noticed is your aim and your use of cover, but those are things that will iron out with experience. You are not going in the wrong direction.

All I can really say is that you should probably try to use cover like rocks and hills more

[hard cipher]

Ait(thx)

[misty wing]

Lemme watch it too

Oh wait I don't have blitz on my phone nvm

[hard cipher]

God dammit i couldnt pen them

Uptiered and most of the tanks i found is t7 heavies

So how do i even pen them

[lyric copper]

@hard cipher flank them or use gold

[hard cipher]

@lyric copper thats the problem with flanking

all off them are in the position to shoot me if i shoot one

Like if i shoot one the other 2 gonna spot me and go for me. And go for me they did.

[solid gate]

Ah, you mean for finding the correct angle it should bounce at, gotcha. Thought you meant as a test tank for testing 3CRB

[solid gate]

Ah nice, well I wanted some more to see myself, and to show positive maybe. I mean tests that are current and can be looked at are always good

[thorny smelt]

This guy is playing Black Prince. It's not easy to flank on a slow tank. Look, the sides are exposed, or even the tank itself is exposed to the open fire.

[lyric copper]

hes playing an E8

[thorny smelt]

M4A3E8?

[lyric copper]

look at the image closely

[thorny smelt]

How can I see the Easy 8 if the screenshot shown is the Black Prince?

[lyric copper]

my man you cannot spectate yourself

plus the orange band denoting who you are

[lyric copper]

thats why there is the alternative of using gold

plus you gotta read the map and know the optimum time to flank

[sleek apex]

5 heavies each team... Best you could have done in the E8 was to take advantage of the dunes to carefully peek and shoot the reds, then relocate if the heavies decides to go for you. You shouldnt have also went on the middle (the spot where you got destroyed) since thats a pretty bad spot to be on.

[solid gate]

So due to the angled hull behind the tracks the auto Rico angle for a t 22 is absolutely insane, way more than it looks like it could, that’s why it was so good at sidescraping. However, due to 3CR activating for the spaced armour, it apparently as of more recent years activates also for the hull, even though the hull is thick enough that it shouldn’t have 3CR applied. Hence why the Ho Ri could pen it at an angle it shouldn’t. T 22 med is still good at sidescraping cause the effective armour is decent enough that even without a Ricochet it can block, it’s not as reliable though and useless vs high pen. This is not my work, just another test to help prove what others know. @wise moth does this satisfy you? Pretty sure it shows that 3CRB is a thing.

[kindred wren]

Multiple independent instances have already confirmed this through experiments, including WoTinspector

[solid gate]

Well still nice lol, people weren’t sure the other day. I’m not trying to take any credit of course, I’m just testing what others have come up with and tested and proven already

[thorny smelt]

All I know is you can reverse side-scraping with T-22 Medium

[solid gate]

T 22 med can still sidescrape super well vs any other tier ten med or light, because the effective armour is above 250 at a ridiculous angle, and HEAT will get absorbed by the spaced armour and tracks, so they don’t really have any option. Same goes for heavies with fairly low AP pen and HEAT prammo. Against decent AP or APCR pen it just falls apart, particularly if it’s a TD, you can’t sidescrape at all really.

[solid gate]

Well yeah that’s what you’re meant to do, cause the pike nose is exposed really easily otherwise. But what I’m saying applies to reverse as well, you can’t show the side at any decent angle against the wrong tank, even though it should be able to ricochet. Sidescraping (not reverse) can still work vs meds I think, cause the angle can still be insane against their low pen and HEAT prammo, meaning the pike nose doesn’t matter, you can just peek the side out overangled. Still no where near as good as it would be if auto ricochet angles applied, due to the angled hull (it would be insane)

@ ChickenMan7777 is right, WG needs to revert this. I hadn’t realised just how much this affects certain tanks.

@kindred wren do you think it applies to tracks too? In which case there’s basically no tank that can sidescrape using an auto Rico angle.

[kindred wren]

For all I know it applies to tracks too

Which is why sidescraping is so much more pathetic in this game compared to WoT PC

[solid gate]

Chickenman7777 says it does, but spaced armour covers the side completely so is easier to test, you can fire in between tracks (like with HE)

[solid gate]

But it didn’t use to be. Also I think some of my shots on a t 22 side ricocheted, in which case 3CR can’t really be applying properly? I’m gonna double check, but it seems like it somehow doesn’t always activate

[kindred wren]

There is no complete certainty so testing won‘t hurt

[solid gate]

But testing takes work 😬😂 I could have been firing at the tracks, in which case it might have missed the track and hit the hull like HE can, but nearly impossible if you look at a T 22 meds tracks. I’ll need to check I guess. Also had some odd bounces and pens on the spaced bit that didn’t seem consistent. If I Ricocheted on the spaced bit then this 3CRB isn’t what it seems, if it was on the tracks it could be that tracks don’t activate it or that I missed the actual track somehow

[kindred wren]

I am unhappy with the name 3CRB because it suggests the cause, even though it‘s entirely unclear what the actual cause is

[solid gate]

Fair point

[solid gate]

Btw, does normalisation affect an auto ricochet angle? I’ve been told it’s 70 degrees, I’ve also heard that it’s affected by normalisation, in which case it’s 75 which is a substantial difference. It also means that APCR has a different auto ricochet angle (72 degrees) which I’ve been told is wrong

[kindred wren]

No, normalisation is calculated after the 3CR check

In fact, normalisation is merely used for the effective armour calculation

[solid gate]

Right, as I thought, but I saw the opposite earlier today I think when checking around with this 3CRB thing, and kind of ignored it. But then when I was showing 3CRB to someone tonight they said normalisation affected it, but they said they might be wrong (not to quote them they said 🤭😂)

[kindred wren]

Sometimes things are not as they appear. These rules usually describe accurately what happens

It‘s normally more a problem with client side representation or bugs

[solid gate]

Yeah, makes sense

[calm patio]

which is best tier 10 heavy

[brave juniper]

The JG wt auf e110

[lyric copper]

as it stands now the Type 71

[empty helm]

That's a TD

[lyric copper]

type 71 a TD 🗿

[empty helm]

Yes

[sleek apex]

HTs are obviously the Grille 15 and Leopard 1

[sleek apex]

Most dominant (or braindead) tier X heavies currently are Type 71 & 60tp, some are good like the E100.

[pallid pulsar]

continue the ru 251 line please

[empty helm]

Nope
I want to stay at sp1c and have fun torturing people

[cursive lodge]

Anyone know what the ace requirements are on the Type 61?

[empty helm]

Get like 1200-1300 xp

[lyric copper]

^ about there, shooting tier 10s will give more exp btw so uptiers are lovely

[oak pollen]

It's BT E110 (blitztrager e110)

[cursive lodge]

Got 1300 just now, wasnt enough

[empty helm]

Oh welp then carry harder

[cursive lodge]

:I

[plucky summit]

👀

[plucky summit]

Hey @wise moth, what’s your take on this video?

Oh, me dumb, you already pinged him 😵‍💫

[tulip knot]

If the angle is anything less than 72 degrees than it’s an easy pen

[violet timber]

Why 72 degrees? Odd number

[brave juniper]

AP/APCR ricochet at 75/72°(70°) respectively , since they normalize each 5/2° degrees

[violet timber]

Nope, they both ricochet at 70

[plucky summit]

3CR check occurs before normalization

[brave juniper]

They both ricochet at 70, yes but AP normalizes 5° before ricocheting so 75°

[violet timber]

No, auto-rico check happens before normalization. If it's 70 degrees, it will bounce. If it's 69 degrees, it'll normalize to 64.

[brave juniper]

Oh, really?

[plucky summit]

Yup, 70° is the ricochet angle for AP and APCR

[brave juniper]

🤔 i guess it would make more sense to normalize then check 3CR but guess it's how wotb does it

[plucky summit]

You might be led to believe it normalizes before checking autoricochet due to 3CRB making shells penetrate >70° angles but y e a h

[brave juniper]

G o o d to know ig :insert pensive emoji here:

[plucky summit]

🤔

[robust orchid]

So....I have a question, I've been playing heavies for a while except for the IS ones, once my clan reaches Tier X supply, should I get the IS-5? Why or why not?

[violet timber]

Do you have any other Russian/Chinese premium heavies at tier 8?

[modest shadow]

I heard it's decent for it's price

[robust orchid]

Nope, all of my premiums are at Tier VI and VII, but I have experience with the Polish, German and Chinese heavies

[violet timber]

Go ahead and get it then

[misty wing]

Anyone want to make a tier 8 premium tier list once I get back home

[plucky summit]

Uh, perhaps

[robust orchid]

Is it just me or...is the WZ-111 Model 5A unable to penetrate the Progetto 65's upper plate?

[misty wing]

It's at an autobounce angle for most tanks

[robust orchid]

Huh, no wonder, even HEAT wouldn't help me pen that pastank

[misty wing]

152mm+ guns can overmatch it though

https://tiermaker.com/create/world-of-tanks-blitz-tier-8-premiums-139639
@plucky summit

[plucky summit]

Alright then, do I stream it?

[misty wing]

sure

[plucky summit]

Hold up

I have to restart, my computer likes having a stroke after getting awoken from sleep

[misty wing]

alright

[rigid rover]

lol

[wise moth]

Bourrasque and KV-5 in the same tier. Interesting take

[plucky summit]

I guess I left the braindeadedness as a factor

[thorny smelt]

KV-5 is in the A list. Noice.

[balmy compass]

I disagree with the O-47 placement
But I have unpopular opinions

[thorny smelt]

If they could somehow buff IS-2Sh (IS-M) armor especially the butter turret and the hull, it could move up to at least a B rank.

[sleek apex]

The T26E4 are so special it got its own tier

Super Pershing are on another level

[plucky summit]

So bad x-x

[balmy compass]

Are the Panzer 58 and Panther 8,8 really that bad, or is that your opinion

[plucky summit]

=)

[sleek apex]

Sarcasm aside, i like the SP personally

Its fun when the spaced armor works, and the gun are decent. Used to heavium tanks so the mobility arent a large problem to me

[thorny smelt]

Panzer 58 is a lovely tank despite its cardboard armor.

[balmy compass]

The armor seems decent when you use gun depression

[thorny smelt]

This is the only rear-turreted heavy tank in the USSR nation and they should give some special treatment to it. I like to side-scrape like I can with KV-4. I didn't mention KV-5 because it is godly at this.

[balmy compass]

The shoulder plates are 130mm
Dunno why that pic says it’s weak

[solid gate]

Well I’m not too sure about the angle on that one, was it an auto Rico? Cause I think in the video underneath I moved back a little and it bounced, the issue is effective armour starts beating that pen close to where an auto Rico stops, so that’s why I got someone else later to help with a Ho Ri, if you check that’s far more conclusive. Also the spaced armour on the sides of the T 44 is way out from the hull, so to actually hit the tank at all and not just the screens you need to get around at a decent angle.

[plucky summit]

Yeah, but 70° is quite inclusive for angling, so the evidence stands

[solid gate]

Inclusive? Conclusive?

[plucky summit]

You don't have to worry about getting a tight angle just to show auto-rico

[solid gate]

It has to be 70 degrees though, and effective armour was too much I think at like 73, so the gap is very small, the degree could be off

[plucky summit]

Well, I just mean with high pen, especially if it's AP

[solid gate]

Yeah, well I wanted high pen just so I could get a tight angle that’s definitely over 70 degrees, which I got later. And this was only 240 apcr

[plucky summit]

Yeah, not a great testing situation

[solid gate]

Also, I’m not too sure what’s up with the t 22 sides, it seemed to pen really inconsistently when it shouldn’t have, and I may have got an auto Rico off the spaced armour bit, in which case this is a bit more complex than we thought. Certainly got a ricochet off the tracks area, but HE shells can go through tracks, so that could be what’s happening. Hard to tell when it comes to tracks

Yeah, it’s unfortunately the highest pen AP/APCR in my garage, med main here lol

[plucky summit]

💀

[violet timber]

130PM below skorp?

Also Raum is at least B tier

[plucky summit]

Raum is sluggy

[violet timber]

Stupid good armor profile though

[misty wing]

Not with that huge cupola

[fluid grail]

AbramsX trying to steal your gal as always

[solid gate]

I don’t care if the gun is derpy the Mitsu 108 is SO SO HORRIBLE, I wish the O-I replaced that thing at least the OI has armor

The Mitsu is slow, it can’t turn for it’s life, the first gun it gets is absolute trash, and the 2nd one is so inaccurate and takes so long to aim that it would be dead when that thing is finished aiming! And yeah go cry about a skill issue or whatever but every other Tier 5 heavy tank can outpace, outgun, and outlive this thing that probably should be at Tier 4!

[oak pollen]

I don't think Mitsu should be in tier4 cuz alpha is too high & armor is quite good(against t4)
By the way, I agree with you that mitsu is bad tonk

[lyric oriole]

They could re-adjust the values, Chi-He is pretty decent for a tier 4 Anyhow so it's unlikely they would change anything

[oak pollen]

I talk about mitsu

[misty wing]

I can't win in my Jg Pz Mighty lmao

[solid gate]

I just wish the Mitsu didn’t exist. Would much prefer a paper tank like a fake KV-1 like thing

[safe cedar]

Why won't WG buff AMX-30b, I mean ateast give it decent aimtime and camo, and it's old top speed back.

[lyric oriole]

That's what I am saying is Mitsu would be rebalanced for tier 4 but the values would be too close to chi-he

[oak pollen]

Oh, I agree

[pallid flame]

Oh

[plucky summit]

The O-I is a tier 6 💀
Also massive and terrible for balance

Besides, Mitsu is just a tier 5, grind through or skip it. You won’t deal with it for long

[misty wing]

Your O-I gets ammoracked though

[plucky summit]

That was by a KV-2, and it’s only happened once

[misty wing]

they should buff the jageroo

and then move it down to tier 5 to compete with the mitsu

[misty wing]

okay speaking of the jageroo, does anyone know where its exhausts are lol
it doesn't have the dual exhausts on the back like the E100 does

[wispy hearth]

The crew inhales it

[wise moth]

The top engine grate. It doesn't need exhausts because the engine isn't covered

[valid gale]

It’s not rear engine like the normal E100 also to add to its disbelief it’s a concept based off very scarce info and it’s most likely in the front anyways

[misty wing]

I thought the normal E100 was front engine as well, or was that just the transmission

[wise moth]

Normal E-100 has the engine in the back

[neat nimbus]

i know is cool theres camos for ranks but what about tanks cant be equipped with camos? like the defenders and hybrid nation tanks would be cool if theres was rank attachments

[civic charm]

i agree

[robust orchid]

Every Tier and Tech tree has their own bad tanks, I agree.
The EU has the 45tp in Tier VII, Emil II in Tier IX and the P.43 for Italian Tier VI.

The Chinese have the Type 58 and IS-2

[misty wing]

eh the entire chinese heavy line is pretty bad save for the tier 10

[robust orchid]

Also, I regret buying the Tiger 131, the Barkhan performs much better from what I've seen. ._.
Better upper plate armor and mobility, also its gun fires quicker and has higher damage rolls.

[robust orchid]

Myes, 3k dpm goes brrrr

[misty wing]

barkhan is not even that great itself

[solid gate]

Gun can’t have higher damage rolls unless the alpha is higher, pretty sure it’s the same

[robust orchid]

It's the RNG, I guess, since most of my shots in the 131 are all around 230 and below, while my shots in the Barkhan reach 230+, eitherway, both are fun tanks to play

[solid gate]

Yeah it’s RNG, but that’s just a bit of bad luck, doesn’t make a tank better or worse, unless you want to say there’s hidden RNG parameters for each tank 😂. Well yeah barkhan is a better tank I agree

[robust orchid]

Also because the Barkhan has much more protection against the KV-2's derpy 152mm

[solid gate]

Yep

[sleek apex]

My first premium tank and i never regretted buying it, because i collect historical/realistic tanks & camos.
Im hoping it would be remodelled and get the HL 230 engine option.

[oak pollen]

It will be very good if WG replace grille with e-100 that have ~2k HP, no space armor on the side, change turret design & make turret armor become paper, change to gun to autoloader that have 5 shell per clip & have ~500 alpha, nerf reload to ~45sec & 2 sec interclip reload, and change its name in to "WT E-100"

[sleek apex]

Just say you want the Waffentrager in wotb, which wouldnt happen.

[oak pollen]

I hope it'll happen like what is happening in WoT now

[misty wing]

I hope they just add it back permanently to both games tbh

[robust orchid]

I got this boi in my Smurf account after getting enough gold to buy three Collect-em-all containers, and.....

It moves way faster in reverse than forward ._.

[sleek apex]

The casemate & gun are placed in reverse so yeah

[misty wing]

how do you smurf in wot blitz lmao

[valid gale]

Reroll

[misty wing]

but you're not actually smurfing, unless you're talking about the bot matchmaking
but smurfing on bots is kinda eh

[robust orchid]

New account :p

[solid gate]

W W
( O )

[radiant coral]

@unique drum

[pliant pike]

why is this tank's reverse speed faster than forward?

[unique drum]

Hmm

[radiant coral]

and instead of better tracks, faster repair systems.
I personally don’t need since i don’t get shot most of the time
and have some HE with you like 10 or 8

[robust orchid]

Because the casemate and gun are placed in the rear instead of the front like the St. Emil, D. Max and the Nashorn

[radiant coral]

it’s fast enough to flank and switch positions with it, the HE Pen is very good over 105 mm
but use rammer instead to pump your damage per minute to 2.7k

Most importantly, stay on the move don’t stand in one spot the entire battle you’ve got that mobility and once you get Leopard 1 it will be easier for you to use since they share some stats together

[unique drum]

Ah, I see. Thanks for the advice

[radiant coral]

You are welcome

[misty wing]

That's not why

Those tanks go faster forwards than backwards, just like any other tank

[sleek apex]

The Archer's (Angry Connor Ingame) casemate are placed infront of the Valentine Mk. I chassis but was designed to face into the rear of the tank, it was done to reduce gun overhang length.

Basically the Angry Connor ingame are facing backwards.

[thorny smelt]

Snipe to support TD. Better equip with spall liner of you'll get rained with HE. You can use the BESH gun.

[violet timber]

Emil 2?

[onyx raven]

That is how the Archer be doin it tho

Glorious Bri’ish engineering

[violet timber]

No lmao

[onyx raven]

Why do so many people hate the 45TP? IMO the 40TP was the worst heavy they had I still liked it well enough.

[robust orchid]

Worse turret armor and mobility than the Emil 1

[robust orchid]

Basically because a lot of Tier VII Heavies can perform so much better than the 45tp, the 40tp isn't the worst in the Polish line, since it is basically a better Vk 36.01 (H) not to mention that it is also easier to grind than the Vk 36.01 (H) itself

[violet timber]

Better gun, better effective p/w, better effective turret armor, and better HP

[robust orchid]

Has worse performance than Emil 1

[violet timber]

Emil 1 May be better tier for tier, but it is not a better tank

[safe cedar]

Powercreep is really starting to get the cheiftan mk.6

[solid gate]

Give it better pen and a bit better turret armor

[violet timber]

It's fine as is, just make the turret more consistent

[solid gate]

I would love it if got extra 10mm pen on prammo and HE

[violet timber]

Calibrated shells does that

[foggy spire]

WDYM?

[safe cedar]

The turret isn't as reliable as it used to be, the Mobility just feels meh, and the pen especially prammo kinda sucks.

[foggy spire]

I mean, isn’t the Chieftain a more mobile Super Conqueror?

[safe cedar]

That's not saying much. it was kinda like pre 9.1 IS-4.

[foggy spire]

Not really since 10 degrees of gun depression.

[safe cedar]

Mobility wise.

[foggy spire]

Oh, gotcha.

[lyric copper]

yeah its slow acceleration and poor engine in general is actually realistic who knew

but all they need to do really is make the turret more consistent, makes no sense when people lolpen the turret with prammo even though the cupola easily exists, and maybe give it a slightly better engine

[solid gate]

I haven’t noticed the turret to be too bad, apart from the cupola, that makes the most sense to aim at. Although I don’t really own any high prammo pen TDs or anything currently

[blissful hamlet]

40tp is pretty decent

[safe cedar]

I mean there are already tons of tanks with impenetrable turrets, cheiftan should atleast have a strong one.

[lyric copper]

chieftain already has a easily hittable cupola, just make the rest red and leave the cupola as is

[thick trout]

Lol everyone wanting a heavium to have a good turret as well as mobility and a fantastic gun

[lyric copper]

ez cupola pen

[safe cedar]

Cheiftan mk.6 has pretty bad mobility tbh.

[thick trout]

Maybe go play it or look at it's stats...?

[safe cedar]

You kinda just proved my point lol.

[thick trout]

Excellent traverse, good power to weight and top speed makes... Bad mobility?
That's a funny conclusion

[safe cedar]

Good traverse, average acceleration, and average top speed. which is good...
For a heavy not what is more or less a bloated medium.

[pallid flame]

ok

[thick trout]

If that's what you conclude from the stats your viewpoint is wayyy too far gone to be helped

[safe cedar]

Viewpoint and opinion is subjective, there is no correct or incorrect. I personally hold the cheiftan to the standards of a heavium if you wish to classify it as a super heavy feel free to do so.

[dire kelp]

Chinese and German lights when

[onyx raven]

Germany does have a light line, but it’s only between T5-8

[misty wing]

He means the Rheinmetal Panzerwagen and the WZ-132-1

[modest shadow]

What y'all think is better the Ferdinand or jpanther 2? Trying to decide which one to get since I'm on jpanther

[oak pollen]

Autoloader Deathstar
https://youtube.com/shorts/49YHgrk5HpI?feature=share

[solid gate]

Grinding the Mitsu is a chore

[misty wing]

Jpanther II by far, Ferdinand sucks

[misty wing]

Not really, and that clip is so hard to watch with the auto aim

[modest shadow]

Ah ok was trynna figure which was easier to grind because heavy armored td sounds fun with the tier 9 and 10 tanks

[misty wing]

They can be, but Ferdinand's armor is garbage

[oak pollen]

Ok, thx for suggestion. I'll try to improve VDO quality

[misty wing]

no it's not the quality, it's just the fact that auto aiming there is kinda a misplay
it's so incredibly unreliable

[oak pollen]

Oh

[thorny smelt]

Go for JagdPanther II because of DPM and mobility in exchange for armor but Ferdinand helps you prepared once you get to JagdTiger because of similarity in mobility but Ferdinand's armor sucks despite the nominal armor value of 200-ish mm. It's a casemate Porsche Tiger.

[modest shadow]

Noted jpanther 2 it is

[thorny smelt]

Just be aware that its hull is weak as heck so you have to play hulldown

[balmy compass]

Kinda hard to hulldown with that massive hull

[thorny smelt]

But you have good mobility. I don't know if wiggling works for this tank.

[modest shadow]

I'm fine with having to hull down since I've been playing the t29

[balmy compass]

Not really, the hull is so paper anything will go through it

[thorny smelt]

Agreed

@modest shadow You can do that instead, or snipe

[silk charm]

how does wz113 play? support heavy?
the armor isnt the strongest

[sacred anchor]

the obj 752 will return to the store?

[pliant pike]

ISU 130 is pretty good, don't you think?

[pliant pike]

Yes, support and sometimes sidescrapping

[misty wing]

ISU-130 is bad

[misty wing]

chickenman had it as a C tier

[opaque flicker]

Wargaming when

M60A2 152mm

Give it low normal penatration, good HE penatration, and give it HEAT rounds aswell

And then you practically have a tier X T49 from hell and with more armor

[thorny smelt]

560 alpha and 240 mm AP pen then?

[opaque flicker]

235mm AP

115 HE and 270 HEAT

[thorny smelt]

Make the HEAT pen at 315-330 mm

[opaque flicker]

Eh sure, but then the damage will be reduced from 640 to 480 or 500

[brave juniper]

Nice American kpz 50

[opaque flicker]

Derp gun

[thorny smelt]

Derp M60

[thorny smelt]

Average AP damage: 560
HEAT: 480
HE: 640-740

[opaque flicker]

That's more of KPZ-70 damage, its reload would have to be faster

[thorny smelt]

Almost close to Sheridan reload time?

[opaque flicker]

It has more armor so make it 1.5 seconds longer

[thorny smelt]

Fair enough

[opaque flicker]

The only issue is the M60 doesn't have Anti-Heat protection like the Sheridan

It could get bonked by the 183 very easily

1900 or 1800 health?

[thorny smelt]

1900 would be nice

[opaque flicker]

Yeah it had the M60 hull anyway

I want this tank more than the Japanese lights

[misty wing]

Should be 200 AP 270 HEAT 90 HE

Or even APCR rather than AP

[lyric copper]

oh so more armoured sheridan

[misty wing]

I wouldn't even mind if it had the T49's pen and you have to rely on splashing people with HE

Or maybe slightly higher, like 175 heat or something

[robust orchid]

Hmmm...should I or should I not grind the Vk 28.01 just for high speed rear plate derp gun smacking?

[lyric copper]

the derp isn’t as good as it used to be

[misty wing]

No, grind the T49 for that

[robust orchid]

For Tier VI, I don't wanna slap all my credits for the T49, just for random yolo and rear plate smacking

[valid gale]

I don’t get why people want the starship m60s already average you want to make it even worse?

[misty wing]

Yeah I want a really meme tier 10 to ruin my winrate with

Besides it just looks super cool with that concept 1b esque turret

[valid gale]

I disagree it’s it’s turret somehow manages to make the unmanned concept ugly

[misty wing]

No it looks soooooo cool

I probably sound braindead rn but it's genuinely one of the coolest tanks ever imo

[valid gale]

It reeks of so much cool features and cues but the tank was just such an abhorrent failure

Know a portion of the abrams upgrades and paladin upgrades were canned because they couldn’t meet the military’s impossible expectations but a m60 chassis based on failed shillelagh missiles and a faulty gun gets a go

[misty wing]

So historical success is what determines how cool a tank looks?

[robust orchid]

Just get the ISU-152 and equip it with the Gun 122mm BL-9S instead, ISU-130 is just a premium

[thorny smelt]

It's just SU-130PM without the cabin for the 130 mm gun

[blissful hamlet]

The starship would be interesting

[civic tiger]

Ye

[solid gate]

@fair troutry to bug you but you are a community helper now so that's what you get 😂, just wondering when you discovered 3CRB, and if there's some proof you can give me that it wasn't around originally and was added to to game as of more recent years

[plucky summit]

You didn’t ping me, you pinged a rando lol. I’m not sure I have proof that it didn’t exist but I’ll definitely check later today.

I’m sure if I dig deep enough in my screenshots folder, I could maybe scrap up something

[robust orchid]

A quick question, why does my WZ-111 5A earn a lot more credits than my Steyr WT even if it loses? Is it because of the higher tier matchmaking?

[plucky summit]

Dang, I don’t know the CC of Steyr WT, but I’m sure it is the tier difference and the damage you deal

[robust orchid]

A little comparison...

Me winning in the Steyr WT with about 3,000 damage and 4 eliminations = 55,000 credits

Me losing in the WZ-111 5A with 2,400 damage and 1 elimination = 61,000+

Both are with premium account activated, so yeah, I guess it's the Tier Difference?

[plucky summit]

How about your base combat XP in them?

[robust orchid]

In average from what I've noticed,

Steyr WT: 989
WZ-111 5A: 892

Note that I've only played the WZ-111 5A for a few days while I've had hundreds of matches in my Steyr WT

[plucky summit]

Those individual battles, please 😅

[wise moth]

Kills don’t count for credits, and winning is just a fixed bonus (not a multiplier like it is for XP)

Also, I’d venture to say that the 5A probably has a similar credit coefficient to the Steyr, but the 5A does benefit from the higher tier multiplier

[plucky summit]

Ooh, was that S WT game perhaps against tier 6?

[wise moth]

The tier of the tanks you deal damage to doesn’t have an effect on the amount of credits earned (also unlike XP)

[plucky summit]

Oh, not like PC, ouch

[wise moth]

PC has the same credits mechanics as Blitz

[robust orchid]

I rarely get matched against Tier 6-7, most were against Tier 7-8, also another factor that I forgot to mention was that the 5A has more than double the Alpha of the Steyr WT 😶

[wise moth]

Although then again, I think they may have changed the credit formula in Blitz, but I’ve been too lazy to figure it out

[plucky summit]

Tier-based rewards were removed?

Or maybe it’s just since XP and credits are completely unaffected by each other, that the XP bonus for higher-tier damage made no extra credits 😵‍💫

[wise moth]

The way that tier affects credits is that the tier of your vehicle serves as a multiplier for credits earned for damage and winning

[plucky summit]

Well, this is why I stick to penetration and armor mechanics

[wise moth]

Dealing damage to a higher tier vehicle earns you the same credits as dealing damage to a lower tier vehicle. More XP, but no credits impact

[robust orchid]

Here's an example, I lost by a landslide in a Tier X match with damage barely even reaching 2,000 yet I still get credits

[plucky summit]

Got it

[robust orchid]

If that were in the Steyr WT, I'd get credit deductions instead, even though it's a premium, even worse if it was losing in the Tiger 131

[plucky summit]

That’s feeding the tier-multiplier hypothesis

[wise moth]

It’s not a hypothesis. The credits formula is known (it’s how tank credit coefficients were calculated)

Although, again, with the slight caveat that I think they may have modified it slightly since the credits system overhaul that added credits for medals and stuff, but I’m not certain

[plucky summit]

Well, not for its existence, but it being the major reason WZ earns more. I wish I had slept more

[solid gate]

Oh haha, clueless moment, thanks for noticing anyway. Well thanks, anything is much appreciated, I'm talking to someone who's saying the difference isn't noticeable and that for all we know it might have been around forever, I don't think so myself though. For a start, wotb got its main mechanics from PC, so if it was original then why doesn't PC have it too? I think this is quite an important mechanic so it'd be nice to have an idea of when it was added

[oak pollen]

When you get mastery badge you will get credit
Higher the tier you are more credit you get from same mastery badge

[robust orchid]

I don't get mastery badges when losing with 2k damage tho :') But yeah, the comments above probably explain why

[plucky summit]

I’ve called it out here around April, if that gives you some clues

[solid gate]

The comments above should help, in that they show that damage is only one factor in base XP

[solid gate]

Right, well I thought you said it was maybe noticed two years back? Might have just pulled that number from now where. But I'm more interested if you can find out when it wasn't around, cause that's better proof, rather than just when you noticed it (even though I'm pretty sure it'd probably have been added not too long before someone noticed). Btw if blitz Stars or armour inspector shows 3CRB in action then the guy who runs it must know about it, anyone know who he is? He would know when it was added probably if he added it the blitz stars mechanics, cause it's only a copy of what's seen and known in game.

[plucky summit]

Posit1ve_ worked with him to show how EA affects 3CR, I believe

Also it’s armor inspector, not blitzstars

[solid gate]

Ah right, still same point applies to armour inspector. It would be interesting if we could know what the guy knows about 3CRB

[limber berry]

How do I play the Conqueror?

[wise moth]

Against tier 8’s and softer tier 9’s, you can steamroll them with DPM. Conq has 170mm of HESH pen now, so it will just melt through enemies. Against tier X opponents, you’ll have to be more careful, and restrict yourself to only peeking whenever you can fire unpunished.

[limber berry]

Ok thx

[oak pollen]

Load HE more than usually do cuz he have 170pen

[solid gate]

Hull down is decent, 7 degrees gun dep and a forward mounted turret. You have ok brawling armour vs low pen. Uptiered or anything and your only armour is the gun mantlet, can still block with wiggling cause it’s a vertical one. Dpm and alpha are nice, you have good acceleration and a super speed boost, overall it’s good for bullying meds. Your armour is also best vs them (not reliable still). Accuracy is great, it’s a really nice tank to play but not particularly easy. I’d say it’s like a downtier lighter chieftain mk 6 in a way but that might be wrong. Going vs heavies is fine, you can use your accuracy to out peek them, and uptier your HP is ok. Downtier id always run with meds, and again your HP is relatively better vs them

[limber berry]

Thx

[oak pollen]

You forgot to mention about HE pen

[solid gate]

Cause everyone else mentioned it lol, but yes that’s another reason it’s a good med bully. Similar again to chieftain that way although it’s even better pen

[misty wing]

170 is a big deal compared to 120 or whatever the chieftain has

[solid gate]

Yep, that’s why I said similar in idea (good for med bullying) although it has better pen. As well as being downtier so much more effective too

[misty wing]

I still hate how every blitz resource (blitzstars, blitzhangar, armor inspector) is far worse than tanks.gg

[misty wing]

wow I actually failed to kill a 1500 HP foch in two shots with the jageroo
now I understand all the lowroll memes 😂

[distant nymph]

A moderately mobile huge unarmored box with slow aiming, ok-ish DPM and slightly above average DPM and mediocre damage (usually roll for 340-360) or in other words the Ho-Ri I. It's absolutely fully upgraded and used to love it but now I get absolutely wrecked every time. Any tips?

[odd cove]

don’t frontline so play as more of a support or maybe backline camper, angle/wiggle, remember that you can pen pretty much anything, you’re not the slowest so you can reposition as you please

[opaque flicker]

They allow cold war tanks in this game correct?

[lyric copper]

mid 50s to early 70s

[opaque flicker]

BLTZ9000

[plucky summit]

HEAT pen = 284mm CS

[wise moth]

2 unofficial rules:

1. No composite armor
2. No smoothbore guns

[opaque flicker]

600mm penatration

[limber berry]

Imagine if that thing got ammoracked lol

[opaque flicker]

The one tank nobody wants to ammorack

[valid gale]

If you assume it’s gonna be a nuclear explosion you’d be wrong

[limber berry]

Wiat hwat

[limber berry]

Explain, dog of wisdom

[valid gale]

Nuclear reactor does not equal nuclear explosion

[limber berry]

Ok

[opaque flicker]

A damaged nuclear reactor can equal an explosion if not contained or shut down, if contained there would still be extreme contamination and radioactivity.

Constant running nuclear engine + sudden pressure and release + extreme heat = not good

Take Chernobyl for example

[raven swift]

chinese & german Lt's will be coming soon?

[opaque flicker]

Pressure built up, when it exploded it released all of that pressure

[limber berry]

Like my mom when she is angry

[valid gale]

That’s a different type of fallout I’m explaining the other misconception
TV-8 also only had a 90mm in its concept

[opaque flicker]

The 90mm would equal that of a railgun when using nuclear power

It would go through the upper plate of a maus and go out through the rear

[kindred wren]

…

[misty wing]

...

[opaque flicker]

Dont take that out of context

[plucky summit]

Not reaistically

[kindred wren]

I just did

[opaque flicker]

Actually it is realistic, America designed a railgun and when fired it would literally light the air on fire because it was going so fast

Because of friction

[limber berry]

I just realized and now I 💀

[opaque flicker]

stop

[misty wing]

Except the 90mm wouldn't be using "nuclear power"

[limber berry]

Shut up please

[opaque flicker]

We want nuke tank

[balmy compass]

Smasher:

[misty wing]

Even if the tank had a nuclear generator for an engine it wouldn't somehow power the gun

[opaque flicker]

Actually railguns can use nuclear power but surprisingly it can also use simple pressure

[misty wing]

Okay but railguns have nothing to do with the TV-8

[opaque flicker]

I memed on it because it looked like a railgun

[misty wing]

It looks like any normal 90mm

Most closely to that of the STA-1/Type 61 probably due to the muzzle brake design
Or the T49 90mm

[opaque flicker]

Normal? It looks like an overinflated Yoh turret powered by nuclear energy

[misty wing]

That's the turret, not the gun

[opaque flicker]

It is the Jimmy neutron of tanks

[balmy compass]

It looks like someone tried to make a American ST-1 turret with a terribly small turret ring

[limber berry]

Lol

[kindred wren]

To be honest I rather wonder how they wanted to cool their reactor

On a side note the initial design was meant to have a petrol engine anyways

[opaque flicker]

It was an amphibious vehicle aswell

[misty wing]

It looks like a balloon. Because that's basically what it was.
The tank was designed to be amphibious via the turret floating in water

[kindred wren]

Well yes, but you can‘t really expect the vehicle to dip into a river every 30 minutes

[opaque flicker]

I know, it still looks stupid

[balmy compass]

That sounds like a horrible way to design something to float

[kindred wren]

Why? I mean it would be super slow but that is to be expected with a tank anyways

[opaque flicker]

Imagine the hull being too heavy and the turret just detaches while the rest of the tank sinks to the bottom of the lake 💀

[balmy compass]

The bigger the turret, the easier it is to spot, and a bigger turret is a bigger target 💀
Just use something else if you need to float across a river

[misty wing]

The tank's chassis was designed to be easily detached and had no crew members inside it anyways

[opaque flicker]

So now you have a floating turret with a useless main gun and no way of getting back on land

[misty wing]

Propulsion in water was based on propellers located in the back of the turret, supposedly

[balmy compass]

Rip the driver

[valid gale]

Perhaps they wanted a tiny reactor to power it but one wonders why such a power plant is necessary for a land vehicle especially as ridiculous as it was a legitimate concept

[misty wing]

So yes, it could theoretically get back to land
(Not saying it isn't a horrible design)

[opaque flicker]

Okay so it would just be extremely slow

[balmy compass]

Beaches a turret on D-Day 💀

[misty wing]

Sounds like a great idea, wonder why they canceled it

[opaque flicker]

"We brought nuclear power this time"

[valid gale]

I don’t know where the amphibious claim came from because the US did not consider any amphibious tanks until after the Soviet’s started fielding BMPS (and ditched it right after with the Sheridan and t92 fiasco)

[kindred wren]

You still need a critical mass to get anything going at all

[balmy compass]

What’s next, the crew would get under the turret ring and carry that thing up the beach?

[valid gale]

You joke but this was also a concept along the lines of

[balmy compass]

It’s fun to make fun of stupid designs

[kindred wren]

Can I just say „no“?

[balmy compass]

it's not like any of these crazy ideas would have made it past a prototype design

[bronze latch]

What is the veterans role if I may ask?

[opaque flicker]

Behold an abomination

[wise moth]

It’s pretty silly, but remember this was the 1950’s when nuclear power looked like the future

And also, crucially, a nuclear powered tank doesn’t need gas. Halting an offensive because your tanks run out of gas is honestly a huge bummer

[kindred wren]

It needs cooling though

[valid gale]

Yes that’s the obvious advantages the power plant would provide but this is after they already knew they could stuff it into a bomb and you’d assume if one was ever destroyed it would result in total area denial for any side

[wise moth]

Disclaimer: I’m not a nuclear expert, but I don’t think it’s be too much of an issue, at least for armored units. NBC protection became pretty standard for tanks pretty early on, and Im pretty sure that the Isotopes used in nuclear reactors are too stable to cause nuclear explosions

[kindred wren]

It would not provide a complete area denial, because the area is still very much usable and depending on how reckless you are you can still send people there. It‘s also really a question of how much the contaminated material spreads

[kindred wren]

The likely result is a meltdown, not an explosion. Chernobyl for example was a meltdown too, not a nuclear explosion. A meltdown is basically when the radioactive core melts (while it obviously continues to react) potentially allowing it to melt through its containment

Unless a handy steam explosion from all the heated coolant blows the reactor wide open, in which case you get all the nice radioactive material in the environment, with some of the created isotopes being pretty dangerous (due to a short half-life)

[misty wing]

I know for a fact that many submarines use nuclear power, and I'm pretty sure they don't blow up like a nuclear bomb when they're attacked

And in case of accidents, I haven't read any cases of explosions or anything large scale

[robust orchid]

People be arguing about tank designs when some guy with an old car filled with farming materials and a large can of propane could just ram the tank's rear and blow it up to kingdom come.

(Iykyk)

[robust orchid]

Huh, no wonder why the T-62A and the other Russian Mediums have underpowered Alpha, they're supposed to have 2A20 Smoothbore guns historically

[wise moth]

The T-62A in game isn’t the production variant; it’s a prototype which uses a 100mm rifled gun, unlike the production variant which has a 115mm smoothbore

[robust orchid]

Yeeep, that's what I noticed, no wonder why it has a 310 Alpha

[tepid lily]

There is only one tank in the game they added which has a smoothbore gun. The WZ-122TM

[foggy spire]

A Centurion action X or a later Cold War version of the Centurion would be an excellent T10.

[robust orchid]

And even so, that was also an experimental an unnamed/discontinued tank gun project like most of the stuff WG has

[violet timber]

It’s gun is literally called “122mm TG”. There’s no indication that it’s smoothbore

[tepid lily]

The tank is historically known to have a smoothbore gun irl. At this time in history, China managed to capture a T-62 during the Zhenbao Island Incident and reversed many technical aspects of the tank. The research of the T-62 led to the development of the WZ-122TM

[violet timber]

I haven’t seen anything that says it has a smoothbore gun irl

[robust orchid]

Because well...Chinese secrecy and the fact that only several prototypes were ever made and never put to action

[tepid lily]

In WoT PC, the gun is modeled with rifling in the barrel, but it historically had a smootbore barrel.
https://youtu.be/yzqK-pkfIWg

[violet timber]

Source?

[robust orchid]

There's also this from Wikipedia

[tepid lily]

There is no definite source I can give except of what's lying around on the web. China was known to have several tanks with the 120mm smoothbore gun but the last of those tanks were retired from service in 2013.

[violet timber]

Here’s what wiki says about the gun

[remote kindle]

Yall do know all main actual battle tank have 128mm or less?

[tepid lily]

Fun fact, the engineers of the WZ-122TM were purged in the Cultural Revolution for being traitors in China.

[robust orchid]

Because it was most likely modelled or copied from the Soviet 2A26 125mm Smoothbore gun or the 2A20 115mm Smoothbore gun

[tepid lily]

https://warthunder.com/en/news/7809-development-squadron-vehicles-object-122tm-en

War Thunder isn't exactly a source, but they modeled the tank having a 120mm smoothbore gun.

[violet timber]

Afaik WG avoids smoothbore guns at all costs, so I doubt there's enough evidence to say for sure that it is smoothbore

[tepid lily]

Check out this article here. Again there is no technical data on these tanks available and all the engineers who were working on the project were purged and sent to labour camps. I do believe Warspot is an affiliated blog with connections to WG. https://warspot.net/39-the-mythical-pages-chinese-projekt-122-tank-series

The website is owned and run by Wargaming's in house historian, Yuri Pasholok

[violet timber]

The thing that worries me is that no actual gun name has been given anywhere, it's just called "120mm tank Gun". That tells me that no one really knows what it is

Well, seems you may be right, as part of the article calls the gun "the origin of the Type 89 Self-propelled Anti-tank Gun". Seems this gun is smoothbore, which may lead to the 122TM's gun being smooth as well

[tepid lily]

China also did historically use a 120mm smoothbore gun as well until 2012

And started mass producing the Type 96 and Type 99 tanks which were loosely based on the T-72 had 125 mm guns which was becoming a mainstay for the PLA. It just didn't make sense to field an obsolete gun platform with a gun that didn't conform to what was logistically common and available

[misty wing]

I don't know why they're so keen on avoiding smoothbore guns, it's not like they have to make it impact the gameplay

[valid gale]

Not one in service today does

[misty wing]

what? NATO MBTs have 120mm and russian/chinese ones have 125mm, at least for now

[valid gale]

All only 120-125mm no idea where 128 came from

[misty wing]

I mean he said 128mm or less which is technically true even if none have 128 exactly

[shy wyvern]

but there's tanks using APFSDS round and then got "APCR" To hide it

Or even switch it with HEAT instead

[shy wyvern]

152mm variant on Obj. 120 and T-14 2nd armament choice

[violet timber]

That's not really the same thing. WG only has 4 shells to make the game simpler. They have avoided adding smoothbore cannons as a sort of unspoken rule.

[robust orchid]

5 if you include the ATGMs on the Sheridan on specific events or the OG Sheridan

[violet timber]

You cannot run from (Yet to be named). (Yet to be named) will track you down, find you, and kill you.

[robust orchid]

Sprocket? Also, that hull is rather wide, looks like an AP magnet

[misty wing]

I just had a game where our AFK heavy tank did the second most damage on our team because an enemy light tank rammed him at full speed lmao

[violet timber]

You'd need 285mm AP just to go through the lower plate on flat ground

[plucky summit]

Must be pretty hefty or crowded, then

[robust orchid]

Sounds plausible, the gun 10,5cm KwK L/68 has 285mm prammo pen while the 130mm 59-130TA has 303mm prammo pen, plus, it can be flanked if not careful

[solid gate]

I think it is a impact from WoT PC day of avoid modern tank (thus smoothbore gun), otherwise Maus is going to club hard

[plucky summit]

Well that 285mm prammo is also APCR, so it won't penetrate

[robust orchid]

Welp, Ho-Ri III it is

[brave juniper]

Ho-Ri IV u mean

[plucky summit]

🤨

[misty wing]

why in the world did they feel the need to give strv K only 9 degrees of gun depression

[oak pollen]

Cuz kran only have 9 gun depression I guess

[misty wing]

it should depend on the turret and gun, not the hull, unless the shape of the hull interferes
in which kran's really doesn't

[plucky summit]

Strv K intentionally bad tank

[robust orchid]

....what do you mean Ho-Ri IV? There's only a Ho-Ri Type III, its AP pen alone is already 303mm, 326mm with calibrated shells

[pliant pike]

How about Ho-Ni III

[robust orchid]

......that's Warthunder, we were discussing about what would penetrate the custom built tank and I said Ho-Ri III because of its superb penetration capabilities.

[pliant pike]

Yea, WG should add Japan TD at 5,6 tier

[robust orchid]

I have mixed thoughts about that, for instance, if they did add Tier V and VI TD lines, it will make grinding the Japanese TD line harder, knowing what the Japanese had, it'll be difficult because of paper armor and low velocity guns

[pliant pike]

I like Harder and painful grind

[robust orchid]

But not everyone does, WG already added the Mitsu 108 line, and it proves very frustrating to grind especially with its low pen guns and excruciatingly slow speed, not to mention its unreliable armor. Furthermore, adding harder lines to grind would make people lose interest in the game much more(?), hence why WG just keeps the shell type count to four, five if it included the OG Sheridan's ATGM.

[pliant pike]

Dark WG : Sheridan Missile Goes to regular

[tight minnow]

A proposal for the October 12:
Add and Give the Pz I Breda.

October 12 is the national day in Spain, although it is also the so-called "Día de la Hispanidad" (Day of the Hispanic countries). Therefore, I propose to add as a gift to the Pz. I Breda, a tank from the Spanish civil war. It is a modification of the Panzer I, given by Germany in the civil war. Here are some edits of mine (the one in the gift is based on the M3 Light, it is not necessary to include so much, only the tank would do). In case it cannot be, it could also be added on April 1, the day the Spanish civil war ended.

P.D.: I don't know where to put something like that so I'm sending it here.

[copper swan]

just put t-26 tank with 7.5cm pak 40 as tier 3 collector tank destroyer instead
since Spain converted some of those

[tight minnow]

I also think it's a good idea

[blissful hamlet]

Sometimes i think these armor values ara a bit too high

[robust orchid]

Same here, it'll need to have similar weaknesses to the IS-7 then, overangle a bit and boom, your entire upper plate is paper

[onyx raven]

Huh

So are WG ever gonna acknowledge that the Ho-Ri I and II should have their names switched

Because the initial design designated Ho-Ri I was for the rear-mounted casemate that in-game is the Ho-Ri II

[olive junco]

Has there been any changes on the tiger 2? It feels different

[solid gate]

It got an upper plate buff a while back now

[olive junco]

really? I’m pretty sure it used to be 188mm now it’s 166mm

[solid gate]

I can't say for all time, but I know maybe end of last year it got a buff, no idea how big exactly. Enough to notice when playing against though

[robust orchid]

Same reaction here, man randomly jumped in without checking my point XD

[solid gate]

Kinda terrible it have only 100mm UFP and worse turret than 5/1, no idea what WG plan with this thing is

[robust orchid]

Help, why isn't my Gold event bar adding up to 7.5k gold already, I just purchased the 3.5k gold box but it still didn't add up, I need that gold to get the Löwe 🗿

[solid gate]

Look at the description, it should explain how it works

[tight minnow]

You call this Sprocket tank? THIS IS A SPROCKET TANK

[violet timber]

I’ve created some weird ones

I put a battleship turret onto a tank hull and called it a day at one point, I’d show you but I’m not at my pc right now

[tight minnow]

I have a BT-7 Lee

[onyx raven]

Well I already solved that issue with this:

[thorny smelt]

Looks like O-I or O-Ni with a 2nd canon on the hull

[robust orchid]

I did, and technically I should have gotten that milestone because it's a box ;-;

[thorny smelt]

What is this STT line? Sniper tank destroyer line?

[lilac mica]

Spanish tanks uh ? I would like that too

[onyx raven]

Mobile TDs with better traverse, mobility, and concealment

[nocturne bronze]

Stalinuim son

[solid gate]

Uhh ok, not sure about it

[limber berry]

Nice

[worn bloom]

Create legendary camo on KV5 pls 🥲

[opaque flicker]

Can someone please send the armor profile of the T110E4 and T110E3?, I'm deciding which one I want

[violet timber]

If you’re looking for which one is stronger, E3 wins by quite a bit

[solid gate]

T110E3 armor and specs | Armor Inspector webapp - visualize game mechanics and models, World of Tanks PC, Blitz, Console

https://wotinspector.com/en/webapp?targetVehicleId=13857&mode=xray.armor&platform=pc @opaque flicker E3 has a far stronger armour profile, there’s a very small weak spot on the shoulder, otherwise just the lower plate and cupola, both of which are very troll vs around 250 mm AP pen. The sides are terrible, same with the rear. It has eight degrees gun dep, which will help the armour a lot when hull down. The E4 sacrifices the troll cupola and troll lower plate for a turret, and has only 6 degrees gun dep

T110E4 armor and specs | Armor Inspector webapp - visualize game mechanics and models, World of Tanks PC, Blitz, Console

https://wotinspector.com/en/webapp?targetVehicleId=13089&mode=xray.armor&platform=pc

@opaque flicker are you on mobile? In which case use blitz hangar, there’s a 3D model option which you can use to check effective armour https://blitzhangar.com/en/tank/t110e4 https://blitzhangar.com/en/tank/t110e3

[opaque flicker]

E3 has slower average speed, lower DPM, easier to flank, I just want the armor profiles so I can learn how to angle them or atleast hide some weakspots

[violet timber]

E3 also has better armor and more alpha

[solid gate]

If you need screenshots then I can provide them later, I’ll try vs ~250 mm AP, 290 AP, 300 HEAT, 330 HEAT, and 340 APCR

[opaque flicker]

E4 has a turret, I'll get E3 later on but right now id prefer a TD with a turret

[misty wing]

is the indien panzer any good now after the buff

[plucky summit]

:)

[iron glen]

Should i sell my IS 3 cuz its a pain to play and grind something else any recommendations

[plucky summit]

It it maxed?

[opaque flicker]

Looking at the armor profiles, yes the E3 has more armor on the front but you cant hide the lower plate very well as it shows to be the weakest part on the front, it has nearly the same profile as the E4 when it comes to the side and rear, the main difference however is the gun mantle

[plucky summit]

E3 can easily hide the lower plate, in fact I have a hard time catching an E3 not hiding it

@iron glen yeah the gun gets considerably better when you upgrade it

[iron glen]

Just need the tier 9 gun other then that it is

[violet timber]

You can very easily hide the lower plate…

[opaque flicker]

The only ways to really hide the lower plate is to get behind an object at the same height as your lower plate

[iron glen]

Oh okay i will try it with that gun that

[plucky summit]

Yes, an object that only has to be like a meter or two tall

[opaque flicker]

Which is why its best at sniping

[plucky summit]

🙃 You misunderstand

[opaque flicker]

I did not misunderstand, it's best at sniping because you can hide the lower plate and sit there

[plucky summit]

You can also do it on the frontlines, where enemies are likely to target your armored front

[opaque flicker]

As long as you have people around you, if you're alone, prepare to get flanked by a heavy lol

[plucky summit]

Well obviously don't go alone in a turretless TD, but your role is to be front/secondline

[misty wing]

wouldn't you be more likely to be alone if you're sniping 🤔

[opaque flicker]

Sniping behind teammates, I like support fire, I dont like lone sniping

[misty wing]

if you're actually sniping you are either alone or with another TD sniping

[plucky summit]

Being close support isn't sniping, it's secondlining

[opaque flicker]

Sniping is long ranged combat with precision accuracy, I'm talking about hiding back and hitting enemies while my teammates take the front lines

[misty wing]

so... camping?

[opaque flicker]

Yes, pretty much

[plucky summit]

But you're supposed to use your armor 😭
You can't really use it unless it's an easy clutch situation, because if your team gets rolled, you can only face one of the few targets approaching you

[misty wing]

if you camp in an e3 you're trolling

[lilac mica]

people camping in Maus:

[solid gate]

promises screenshots
forgets all about it and doesn’t deliver
my life XD

[opaque flicker]

Well I played the T28 HTC

[plucky summit]

Oh I was just sayin I could 😳
My computer froze, though, so not now. Enjoy the reminder

[solid gate]

Ah right, missed what you meant

[plucky summit]

T28 HTC is supposed to frontline too LOL

@solid gate no worries, my point wasn’t that explicit as just a smiley 💀

[solid gate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/502018644193181706/1028987226761199626/IMG_7064.PNG @plucky summit haha true, there’s a fine art to smileys

[opaque flicker]

Just because something has armor doesn't always mean you're meant to frontline all the time, you need to use armor to your advantage

If you're a tank destroyer that is

Seeing heavies camp on that stupid mountain in castilla still makes me angry

And if were talking about camping, let's talk about Faust

[lilac mica]

Amazing

[plucky summit]

Alright, tell me why Maus shouldn’t camp

[brisk jacinth]

Grille 15 or Fv 215b183?

[misty wing]

Neither

[plucky summit]

183 if you wanna burn credits to do 1300 damage to unfortunate souls

[lilac mica]

Get 268 instead or the Jag

[opaque flicker]

TD: long range
HT: frontline
MT: secondline
LT: scouting

[kindred wren]

Maus is a TDeavy

[misty wing]

No

[solid gate]

That’s just a stereo type, they of course cross over. Someone with editing skills could possibly make one of those things showing different circles mixing into each other, forgotten what they’re called lol. Heavies and TDs mix frontline, as well as MTs. MTs mix with LTs with scouting/flanking. LTs mix with MTs as second line as well as heavies mixing with second line. TDs also mix second line I guess. LT can possibly mix with TD and MT on long range, remember sniping isn’t camping and vice versa

[violet timber]

Alright boys, I’m sniping in my V4

[misty wing]

lemme frontline in my amx 50b

[opaque flicker]

I'm going by what I know 💀

I have no issue playing that way, y'all can do whatever but I'll play the game however I want lol

[modest shadow]

Y'all think I should get the Lowe or is6 bundle because Lowe looks cool but is6 has all that extra stuff for the same price

[balmy compass]

IS-6 isn't very good

[modest shadow]

Hmmm aight

[lyric copper]

get neither and wait for black friday

[modest shadow]

Huh didn't know they do sales like that but alright I was just considering the 6 because it was like a month of premium and other stuff

[plucky summit]

Löwe earns more

[hollow notch]

Ew
Slöwe

[onyx raven]

In the same vein as my Japan Idea, I present an improved Europe TT proposal!

[violet timber]

Just enrich STA

[exotic lodge]

Is the Kranvagn dragon camo worth 1,475 gold?

[lone herald]

Show me the Camping E3 or jg pz and i also wanna see the Frontline 50b

[violet timber]

Land Battleships you say? I agree!

[remote kindle]

Also this

[solid gate]

How's everyone finding the Shadowhunter?

[woven violet]

Bad but looks great with camo

[solid gate]

The camo is great, I'm enjoying the tank a fair bit

[misty wing]

neither

[modest shadow]

I find i pretty fun to play occasionally

[hot ingot]

500 ez gold

[solid gate]

Two very different takes on the SH 😂

[hot ingot]

not my tier and the pantouflee video about it didnt made me wanna even try it

[solid gate]

I mostly play tier 8/9 and I find it a blast to zoom about the map

[hot ingot]

it looks good without the extra camo tho

[solid gate]

The extra camo gives it an animation at the start of the game

[pallid flame]

It’s very good

[thorny smelt]

A vet has spoken

[balmy compass]

Just because 1 vet objects doesn’t mean it’s true
But that also doesn’t mean my statement is true either

[hot ingot]

is6 is 5.5k gold if i remember correct the kv5 was 5k , for that amount of gold i take the kv5 any time over the is6

[remote kindle]

Armor op but kinda slow and it’s a huge block of armor who can be seen from miles away

[violet timber]

I'd take IS-6 over KV-5. IS-6 has a rather solid armor profile, decent mobility, and actually good dpm with the dpm gun

[hot ingot]

i got over 1k games in is6 and it had its time but now its kinda outdated

[sleek apex]

What do you guys think about Type 59 having the 105mm gun (from the Type-59-II) as gun module option ingame?

[violet timber]

It's super underrated atm

[hot ingot]

everthing that makes the type59 more interesting is welcome

[sleek apex]

The dpm, pen, and damage could be nerfed as a balance (but not too much) since its a Tier X gun on a Tier VIII med.

[hot ingot]

the type59 has a sad story from the op loved and hard to get medium to the medium no one plays anymore

[vale mortar]

What camo is that

[balmy compass]

That’s a skin mod

[vale mortar]

That’s cool, but I’m now disappointed

[vale mortar]

Naw, ISU is straight S tier, STG is A tier

[safe cedar]

With 310 or 350 alpha? If so that would be incredibly interesting tbh.

[plucky summit]

🗿