vehicles-discussion

[misty wing]

you act like overpowered tanks can't be nerfed

wargaming can do whatever they want to it, you said it has a 1 second reload? They can hit a few keys and turn it into 1000 seconds

[balmy compass]

looks at Rover normalization bug

[lethal nova]

I want the waffenträger more now

[solid gate]

The Waffentrager E100 couldn't

[misty wing]

1. they didn't try hard enough
2. there are more overpowered tanks in the game now

also I think it's you who needs to read up on the WT E100, given how you don't know any of its statistics

[final vapor]

Is the rover bug fixed?

[balmy compass]

Yeah

[solid gate]

||lmao||

[lethal nova]

I know what I must do

[solid gate]

Do It

[oak pollen]

WoT now have event that you can play as WT E100 & BT E110(upgrade WT E100)
https://youtu.be/kxL6KYJFOIQ (BT E110 gameplay)

[lethal nova]

No I mean on mobile

[oak pollen]

Oh
I don't think blitz ever have WT E100

[lethal nova]

It’s why I want one, if the pc version has one why not blitz?

[balmy compass]

Blitz is different

[lethal nova]

Are they not ran by the same company? Is 2 different developers involved for each versions?

[oak pollen]

Yep, and I think it won't come soon

[lethal nova]

Sadge, still would be dope to have the waffentrager e100 come to blitz. Or even a nerfed version of the blitztrager

[oak pollen]

But those 2 game have a lot of different
Example is blitz have Defender tank but PC not
And PC have ST-II but blitz not

[lethal nova]

Yeah, blitz always had the wackier tanks in its roster. Which is why I still don’t think it would be out of the realm of possibility for the blitztrager to make an appearance at least. Then again I’m just hoping really

[misty wing]

PC has the object 252U defender actually

[valid gale]

You forgot it got removed for a reason

Wargamings management is all games are ran by different teams

The Blitz team has a good track record of not making stupid decisions like the PC team (albeit they’ve had their screw ups ) but they recognize when things are ok to add and what’s stupid and not ok

[oak pollen]

But it engine is not electric

[thorny smelt]

They replaced it with Grille 15 which is much more sensible. Besides, we have the FV4005 with 4-clip, autoloading magazine and the Minotauro line is drawing closer so there is no use to add another one.

[misty wing]

Grille does not fit very well in blitz tbf, the game does not favor sniping tanks and they had to give it excessive dpm to compensate for that

[odd cove]

if grille doesn't fit into Blitz, then what does that make the 183?

fair

[oak pollen]

From my information, grille 15 is WT panther

[odd cove]

the t62 became what the 140 used to be

[mild marlin]

Hm

[odd cove]

so like the wz121 in a way

[misty wing]

give us the object 430

[thorny smelt]

Object 430U?

[hollow notch]

I do love the current state of tier 7

[valid gale]

We do not talk about no man’s land

[unborn violet]

Are you sure? Unfortunately I beg to differ at the moment for the most part.

[misty wing]

What OP premiums lmao
The only real examples are smasher and Anni, which are in an irrelevant tier

In fact I'm willing to bet that if you were to name 5, you wouldn't even get the one that is actually a problem

Also most of the OP premiums have a sort of unique playstyle so they don't really even have a tech tree counterpart to be better than

Like the bourrasque for example
There's not even a tier 8 French tech tree med

[oblique storm]

Why do I have to exist in this time of earth

[misty wing]

E75TS is not even better than the tiger II really
And yes, object 252U might be a better version of the IS-3, but it's a pretty rare exception on a case where the Is-3 is honestly just a meh tank and most other tanks are better.

There are equally as many if not more cases of the opposite being true, like T32 being better than T34, Caernarvon being better than the Action X, or maybe the IS-7/IS-4 being better than the object 260

And again, most of the super overpowered premiums that are actually a problem don't have a tech tree counterpart. I don't care if the E75 TS is better than the Tiger II if one of them is meh and the other slightly more meh (that's not true, only used for the sake of example)

[thorny smelt]

VK 90.01 P could be a proper successor of VK 45.02 (P) B

I know. Just like FV217 Badger and FV215 183.

[wise moth]

Eh, Cent 1 > RAAC, T32 >> T54E2, and RU > M41 90

That's because all the examples you gave were tier 8. The only example that wasn't tier 8 was the VKs

[robust orchid]

Huh, so the SU-152 with the Gun 122mm D-25 mod. 1944 and Gun rammer has over 3.3k DPM

[plucky summit]

Yeah, but also it doesn’t one-shot people

[umbral hound]

:3 chuckles in Jagdtiger and JgTg 8.8

[plucky summit]

Jadgtiger is literally a brain-off tank. Me and my toonmate Jags yoloed 4 tanks and killed them

[plucky summit]

I’m afraid I must disagree on Cent I vs RAAC

[wise moth]

Cent 1 got buffed a while back, so now it’s got more alpha and DPM than RAAC, and it also goes 45km/h.

All RAAC had is a little more armor, but it honestly doesn’t make too much of a difference

[plucky summit]

I just feel soooo comfortable when I hulldown with RAAC, though. Sure the gun on I is great, but at the cost of that turret then lets you casually fire the gun

I guess it’s a sort of leverage that I really dislike losing

[violet timber]

A hulldown med and a pseudo light are similar?

[solid gate]

But Cent 1 still have the same alpha with RAAC?

[wise moth]

No, RAAC has 190, and Cent 1 has 225

[lyric copper]

RAAC’s 190 is pain, even more so in tier 9 when it quite literally takes a year to kill a tier 9 heavy

[wise moth]

190 alpha is fine, it’s just that relative to other tanks now, RAAC just doesn’t have the DPM to keep up.

I run the 20 pounder on the 7/1 at tier IX, and I love it

[solid gate]

But in game Cent 1 still 190? Are you mistake it with Caer?

That avg pen -_-

[thorny smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/oops-gif-23382655

[rapid lantern]

I found a unicorn! A Premium tank with 50% crew

[oak pollen]

Centurion 1 have 190 alpha isn't?

[rapid lantern]

Got buffed few Updates ago

Caernarvon

[tough grove]

Hello

[oak pollen]

Caernarvon alpha is 200+ but centurion 1 is just 190

[solid gate]

Guy love playing cent 7/1 with 20pdr B gun so much he forgot A gun still 190 💀

[nocturne bronze]

Just found out about this
Apparently The Panther M10 we have is actually A panther with modified exterior to look like An M10 to fool the Americans and blend with their M10s in War thunder its nicknamed "not a panther in disguise of an M10" 😂

[plucky summit]

I thought it was obvious

[violet timber]

It’s also called the Ersatz M10 in war thunder

[solid gate]

Warcrime panther

[glossy finch]

I would take out the IS-3.

[blissful hamlet]

Afaik, only the 20-pdr type B got alpha dmg buff, and the cent 1 carries the type A, so, still 190 alpha

[oak pollen]

💀

[misty wing]

They should give it 225 tbh, and give the existing 220-225 ones 240

[civic charm]

just buff progetto 46 standard pen

[misty wing]

No

[foggy spire]

Worst T9 heavy?

[empty helm]

Vk 45

[odd cove]

^

[onyx raven]

Or just Getting to The Hague Speedrun any%

[misty wing]

Definitely Mauschen, VK 45 is strong

I suppose the M103 is quite underwhelming as well
Never played the WZ-111 1-4 or even seen it enough to judge

[foggy spire]

I think the IS-8 is pretty weak.

[lyric oriole]

M103 is pretty solid actually, WZ-111 1-4 kinda sucks

[misty wing]

IS-8 is really good.

@lyric oriole idk I skipped the line but on paper the M103 looks like it has a worse gun than the IS-8 and conqueror while also having a taller and more awkward profile

Idk why VK 45 gets so much flack, it has basically the same if not better armor than the E75, one of the best tier 9 heavies. It might have a lower top speed, but the effective pwr/weight is actually better on hard and med, so the mobility isn't even that much worse (like the mauschen's is). Also I'm pretty sure it now has tungsten, which should help separate its identity

[pulsar sinew]

If you can use skill instead of relying on nonexistent hull armor it’s fun

[violet timber]

I’d say the 50 120 has quite a few problems

[misty wing]

Forgot about that one, looks like an absolute stinker

[violet timber]

Armor doesn’t hold up in any situation, mobility is meh, and gun doesn’t really make up for it

[misty wing]

It's literally the easiest thing to pen in tier 9-10 barring waffles and barns

[violet timber]

It’s armor is pleasing to look at though, 100 in the front, 80 on the side, 60 in the back for both the turret and the hull

[misty wing]

I would go as far as to say the Leo 1 is more likely to bounce shells than the 50 120, at least in my experience

[solid gate]

wow, it's so beautiful

[violet timber]

However, if you angle the 50 120 properly, it has better armor than the Maus!

[plucky summit]

Wait until the Maus angles “properly”

[violet timber]

No, I will not

[storm chasm]

Дарова братья европейцы

[misty wing]

This is an English server

[storm chasm]

И что?

[solid gate]

What's his name? is that I can not recognize

[storm chasm]

Беларусь тоже Европа

[foggy spire]

I actually liked my Mauschen a little better than my E75.

[misty wing]

Probably just a small sample size where team rng favored the mauschen, because the E75 is objectively superior

[foggy spire]

IDK. Just seems the armor worked better for me on the Mauschen.

[misty wing]

E75 has a stronger upper AND lower plate, a smaller cupola, and a thicker turret face, soooooo
just pure luck

[foggy spire]

Well gold spam made the armor feel weaker.

[misty wing]

so you only got gold spammed in the e75 and not the mauschen?

[violet timber]

🤔

[foggy spire]

I bounce more gold in my Mauschen for some reason.

[misty wing]

again, probably just luck from a smaller sample size

[plucky summit]

E75 is easily better

[misty wing]

T77 or GSOR

[plucky summit]

T77 is just a tankier version, really, just no HESH

[nocturne bronze]

So now I'm confused
Strv74A2 a SWEDISH again SWEDISH tank isn't euro nation tank?

[plucky summit]

Can you check if it's in the hybrid nation? That's where it was placed because it was introduced a few Blitzmasses ago

[nocturne bronze]

Makes a lot of sense now

[plucky summit]

Yup, the EU nation didn't exist when the first Swedish tank (insert screaming*) came out

[misty wing]

your delivery is here

[nocturne bronze]

I feel like Swedish tanks are being bullied like the Italians are having a Td line soon and czech are getting heavies in the future,
And Swedish nothing?

[nocturne bronze]

Extra turret armor 😂

[plucky summit]

The auto-ricochet mechanic that the Swedish tanks like to abuse may be concerning to work with, since 3CRB exists

For the Strv TD line, I assume WG isn't quite excited to introduce the siege mechanic

[valid gale]

They’ve strongly voiced why they won’t do it and why they can’t

[nocturne bronze]

😥

[nocturne bronze]

What in the tarntation is that?

[plucky summit]

I have a generous amount of dead tank mutants

[nocturne bronze]

Same had a folder full of them and deleted it for no reason
Now i regret it

[plucky summit]

F

[opaque flicker]

E4005

[plucky summit]

I watched a tank become another tank

[opaque flicker]

We need that, as a new tier IX premium VK

Just shove the lowe turret on the rear and change the hull shape

[plucky summit]

Ah yes, weaker Lowe

[opaque flicker]

Lowe but with 460 alpha

[misty wing]

just give us the Pz Kpfw VII

[opaque flicker]

I know the Panzer VIII is the Maus, what's the Panzer VII? Never heard of it

[blissful hamlet]

A vk 72 with the 128

[misty wing]

it's the lowe, technically
but in PC it's the VK 72 with a 128mm gun, yeah

[opaque flicker]

Oh okay that makes sense

[wise moth]

Historically, the Löwe is Panzer VII, but in WoT PC, the Panzer VII is a VK 72 with a 12,8cm gun that goes on the tech tree where our VK 72 is

[opaque flicker]

If we had the SturmTiger, it would be the most OP tank in the game

[misty wing]

would just be another 183

[opaque flicker]

It would be much stronger than the 183mm, the SturmTiger has a 380mm rocket propelled mortar

It's a Tiger I on steroids

[misty wing]

and they'd put it in tier 10
a tiger I's armor and mobility
no turret
in tier 10

[opaque flicker]

It would one shot everything so I'd say that's balanced lol

[wise moth]

It’d be worse. A 380mm gun would have ~6280 alpha on its HE in Blitz. So enough to one shot anything with just splash

[misty wing]

where did you get that number from

[wise moth]

Quadratic regression. R^2 of .99

[misty wing]

also do you actually want 350x5 batchat

[opaque flicker]

SturmTiger wouldn't care about armor, it would literally shred a maus with HE

[wise moth]

Yes. People are already crying that 9s unload time makes 50 b trash now, so honestly, 12s unload time in a Bat would be fine

[plucky summit]

That is until they're a heavy on reload and the BatChat flank shots them for 1750

[misty wing]

I've been playing the Foudre (modified bat) in the waffentrager event on PC, it has 5 shells and the unload time feels stupidly long lmao

[wise moth]

If you’re in a position where a Bat can shoot you for at least ~12s, you kinda deserve to take 1750

[plucky summit]

And yet people cry about current autoloaders 💀

[opaque flicker]

Thank God SturmTiger isn't in the game, as much as people want it, it would be the most ridiculous when it comes to its gun

[wise moth]

I’ve played a decent amount of Bat on the test server, and people honestly don’t seem to understand that clip potential != alpha

12s is stupidly long

Also, the odds of a Bat penning all 5 shells in most scenarios is honestly kind of slim. Especially given his pen and accuracy

[misty wing]

too many people discount intraclip lmao, even "bourrasque basically has 640 alpha" is pretty disingenuous imo

[wise moth]

And most tanks can return a fair amount of damage back in that time frame. Most meds will get 1050 back into a Bat in 12s, and even low DPM heavies like IS-7 will get 920 back. E-100 can return 1280. Either way, the enemy can very easily cripple a Bat Chat during that 12s unload

[balmy compass]

you wouldn't like the Yoh 2 shot gun then, that's like 20 second reload xd
while the 3 shot has 13 seconds, really fast

[misty wing]

I have both the T77 and bourrasque, and whiffing one of the two shells happens at least 25% of the time if not more

people need to stop just adding both shots' damage and saying it has that much alpha

[opaque flicker]

380mm gun is more than 500mm's of penatration, the equivalent of a 5ft tall human sized shell striking the upper plate of a maus, your only chance of survival is angling your frontal plate around a corner and hoping they don't use HE

[misty wing]

@wise moth isn't the bat's current intraclip shorter than 3 seconds though

[wise moth]

It is, but I would support a 3s interclip for 5x350. I hate fast intraclip times with a passion from a balance standpoint

[balmy compass]

so basically we would get a German 183, but it's a casemate
it would deal more HE damage and have massive penetration on standard shells anyway

[plucky summit]

Would you accept FV4005's current gun? If not, would you support it without the interclip consumable?

[opaque flicker]

It would be able to HE the side of a maus, that would basically one shot it

[wise moth]

Honestly, no one in the Blitz community understands how autoloaders should work. The amount of people I hear like “pLs BuFf InTrAcLiP” on literally every autoloader 🤦‍♂️

And now we HAVE fast unload time autoloaders, and one large clip potential autoloader (50 b), and everyone whines the fast unload autoloaders are broken, and the 50 b is trash 🤦‍♂️

[wise moth]

I’m fine with the 4005’s current gun, but it definitely needs to lose either reticle boost or intraclip adrenaline. With both, it’s kinda stupid

[plucky summit]

Me too

[opaque flicker]

Like, get a battleship main gun, get a maus, guess how that ends for the maus

[balmy compass]

pretty sure the FV 4202 can do the same

[opaque flicker]

One shot the Maus?

If you know where the ammorack is on any tank, you can just aim there, fire, and insta-rack it due to the ridiculous penatration the sturmtiger would have

[plucky summit]

Ammo racks are never guaranteed

[misty wing]

I actually like the old 4005 better

[plucky summit]

Mfw I realize FV4005 has 3 crew members

[wise moth]

Blasphemy

[plucky summit]

I ruined a v4's day by spamming a gold clip into the poor guy

[wise moth]

bigger clip = bigger fun

[opaque flicker]

I feel like if you throw a human made out of iron and explosive chemicals at a tanks ammo rack with the force of 30 G's, it would be a different story

[plucky summit]

Yeah but Blitz is gonna be Blitzin

[opaque flicker]

That is the equivalent of a sturmtiger shell lol

[wise moth]

You don’t need to rack them. 6280 base HE alpha is enough to just splash one shot then regardless.

[opaque flicker]

That's literally the best way I could've explained it

[plucky summit]

Actually, now that I make that guarantee statement, wasn't there a WZ racks Maus... feature? Two HE shells, right? Was it 100% racking chance?

[wise moth]

There is no saving throw for HE pens. If you hit a module with HE, you deal guranteed module damage to it, so theoretically, with a big enough gun, you can gurantee ammo racks if you pen with HE

[opaque flicker]

Playing it in gravity mode would just be a space mission, at the same time an airstrike

[plucky summit]

Ah, interesting, good to know.

To think even the most obvious predictions were influenced by RNG

[wise moth]

Crew might retain its 50% saving throw though, not sure

[plucky summit]

Yeah, 50% chance they took a very hot shower and came out fine right before going to battle

[misty wing]

Honestly everyone whines about it being too broken, but if they added WT E100 with the intraclip nerfed to 3 seconds and 460 alpha people would call it bad after playing it

[opaque flicker]

Bro I would absolutely love that interclip with that much damage per shot

[plucky summit]

I think once the total damage passes 1800, problems arise

[wise moth]

Hot take, but I’d support the addition of a WT E-100 with at least 4x460. That would easily be balanced, given 4005 has 4x420 with broken consumables and better mobility

[misty wing]

Yeah, until you realize you have to hide that 20mm house of a turret without the mobility that the 4005 has

[wise moth]

Honestly, with a 3s interclip, I’d venture to say you could have 5x460

[plucky summit]

Now we're just cheating

[opaque flicker]

Eh more like 1300+, the close equivalent of a 183 HE

[misty wing]

Would you try adding the 15cm with rebalancing as well or nah

[wise moth]

If a WT E-100 with a rear mount turret, literally 0% camo rating, massive profile, and poor mobility catches you out for 12s, you kinda deserve to die ngl

@misty wing 15cm is tough to balance, because then even with just hitting 2 shells (which is pretty feasible, even for a relatively long intraclip like 4.5s or something), it can deal some pretty substantial damage

[plucky summit]

Clearly they'll 600/510/900 it

[misty wing]

600 alpha 3 shots with 5 second intra clip

[plucky summit]

Let's chill out before moonco gets ideas

[wise moth]

Honestly, I wouldn’t be against that

[misty wing]

😂

here's an interesting take
maybe they should've made the T57 the one to have 4 shots rather than the AMX. It even kinda fits because its little brother the T77 already has 380 alpha

[pallid flame]

No

[plucky summit]

Maybe they should've never even let the Type 71 line exist

[misty wing]

just nerf the type 71 sides already

[plucky summit]

Idc about the sides, unangle the lower plate a little smh

[misty wing]

most types I face usually angle their tank to a degree that the sides would be pennable if it was an e5 or something so

well the trackwheel specifically

[plucky summit]

Give it ✨ PBR 2.0 ✨ where the gun depression bug no longer happens and they secretly change the angle of the lower plate

[misty wing]

inb4 they nerf it to non-PBR graphics

what do yall do in a 4005 on canyon

[wise moth]

Go C (factory corner) and pray

[solid gate]

And nerf the angle of lower cupola too

[misty wing]

nerf its sides to HE pennable and I will be happy

[solid gate]

I think it rear should be HE-able first, the side it fine except drive wheel armour (while at it, nerf cupola armour down to 75 too)

[misty wing]

it's not

[rigid thunder]

It's not

[civic charm]

it's just ok

[misty wing]

huh

[misty wing]

Alternatively, we can look at the Bismarck from wows, which also has a 380mm gun - and its HE apparently does 4400 "max damage"
ez

[rare crater]

Most post 1950 british afvs?

[swift plinth]

guys is the wz 113 FGT line better than the obj 268 line?

[misty wing]

Pretty sure they can do that and more

The modern challenger 2 in fact has very similar pw/weight and top speed to the Cromwell, but is light years ahead in terms of firepower and armament to the Charioteer (which is slower than a Cromwell btw)

[ionic adder]

Good tank?

[misty wing]

Okay? That wasn't one of your arguments before.
If you wanted to make a joke about british tanks having tea makers, maybe make one that's actually funny, instead of being all aggressive and argumentative for no reason

And for the record, Charioteer is taller than Challenger 2 by 0.01 meters. Try again

[rare crater]

A cent 3

[lyric copper]

most British tanks do

plus charri IRL used a 20pdr and not a 105mm

[rare crater]

The following offer better mobility and protection while sharing the same gun

Leopard 1
Stb1
later M60s
The XM1
AMX 30s
The strv103

I could add alot of isreali vehicles but would just be unfair
Also the cromwell doesnt have much in terms of mobility its just slightly faster than avrage MTs

[lyric copper]

even then irl the charri was stuck in a long range support role, making its irl 20pdr useless

[rare crater]

Oh oh not to mention its outdated hull meaning even pre ww2 tanks would knock it out and it would take a angry stare and it would explode

[misty wing]

How many tanks in this game even have their historical gun as their top gun (non tier 10)
I can think of the conqueror for one?

[lyric copper]

Centurions?

The top turret (which is a Cent 3 turret) can equip the 20-Pdr A barrel, which was used in the Cent 3

The Cent 7 was indeed equipped with a 105mm gun too

[misty wing]

I wouldn't count that because the name of the tank is still centurion 1
Like the M46 patton doesn't count because when maxed out its the M47

Actually m47 never even had a 105mm lmao

[lyric copper]

yeah both the M48 and M60 we have iirc have Israeli modified turrets

also given the M48 has a 105mm, its more of a M48A3

[misty wing]

Type 61 also had a 90mm, sigh

What version of the leopard 1 do we have
it looks like a prototype in all honesty

I think the T-54's top gun might be a historical configuration (at least one of them)

[lyric copper]

just a Leo 1

yeah the D-10

[misty wing]

Oh yeah T29 and T30

[lyric copper]

wait would the SU-100 count as it’s 100mm is a tier higher than it’s 122mm

[misty wing]

I suppose the 100mm counts as one of the top guns yeah

Maybe work on your wording then, you sound like a delusional prick

The "try again" stuff is passive aggressive as hell

It's like
Something you'd say if you genuinely want to start a fight

Maybe you don't think you are but you're using fight-starting vocabulary

And like I said, maybe make a joke that's actually funny

All you did was present a (controversial) opinion
And then proceeded to repeatedly change the topic instead of actually defending the opinion from our counterpoints

Saying "try again" implies that you know something the others don't
Which is condescending especially when paired with an invitation to argue

Here's how I see this process

The Charioteer is the best vehicle not only in the game, but in real life as well. Change my mind.
This is clearly something you'd say if you wanted to start a debate
Does any other tank have a tea kettle? Try again.
It then turns out that you were trying to make a joke, but you tagged on the "try again" which is clearly inviting further argument
When given examples of other tanks that have the same features as the charioteer, you start spewing random stuff like "the charioteer is smaller" which is not only false but opens up an infinite amount of random loopholes that you can then take

Anyway just stop using argumentative phrasing if you don't wanna argue

It's some pretty serious analysis because your joke came off pretty darn serious, and not lighthearted like a joke should be

[thorny smelt]

Average at best

[misty wing]

Maybe just chill with the "try again"s from now on, like I said it has an implied sense of superiority or goading

[misty wing]

Where did you even get that from

Then stop goading people into arguing with you

I'm literally trying to help you be more friendly with your demeanor and you're just not listening lmao

In fact your lack of acknowledge to what we said is another enticement for further argument
So maybe you should work on that too

Like you ignored pretty much this whole section despite asking us to try again (?)

No we're not dense, I think it's just you who can't tell the difference between what makes a joke and an argument

When you have three people presenting legitimate, serious counterarguments to a point you made supposedly as a "joke"
I think it's your wording that's the problem, and not us

Too bad you won't even read my analysis to understand why

[thorny smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-coffee-in-cold-weather-patrizia-reggiani-lady-gaga-house-of-gucci-coffee-time-gif-23757806

[muted frost]

E-100 Ausf. B Herschel's Turret design

[misty wing]

No, we thought you believed the charioteer was the only tank to have a tea kettle and a 105mm gun

Which is not true
But you ignored us when we proved our points

And when the cool down ended, you changed the subject by bringing up tank size instead of addressing our claims lmao

[thorny smelt]

Exactly!

[ionic adder]

Free box

[rigid thunder]

he's clearly living rent free in your head so I'd say you're kinda the clown bro

[misty wing]

This channel is typically meant for serious discussion, so with some context, you definitely looked like you were starting an argument lmao
Why can't you just accept that you were using some weird wording for what was supposedly a "joke"

And I'm clearly more sociable than you, because I know the difference between argumentative words and joking words, thank you very much

[rare crater]

You want ones with a tea kettle?

[misty wing]

Ah yes, when you have to make fun of someone for being right instead of admitting you were wrong

[rare crater]

"Vaild argument i have not nerd emoji i must send"

[rigid thunder]

literally you

[rare crater]

My dude your hole is too deep to use "it was a joke"

[misty wing]

I think I understand that very well now, but it doesn't change the fact that you didn't frame it very well at the beginning

This isn't even an argument, it's just me trying to teach you how to and how not to word a joke in English, and then you ignoring me to say "iT wAs a jOkE"

I'm fine with that, my issue is that you tried to blame my misunderstanding on me being "dense" and "unsociable" as opposed to your own wording being misleading

https://tenor.com/view/all-good-great-idea-ryan-gosling-gif-15144837

[rare crater]

Opinions tolerated friendship accquired

[fleet berry]

KommandantKugel#3149 was banned

Yerriff#2150 was muted

[hollow mauve]

Guys how good is kpz 50t compared to other mediums

[solid gate]

It’s up there

[solid gate]

💀

[wise moth]

Yeah, but WOWS has pretty wack damage values relative to tanks. The Fletcher, which has 5 inch guns (127mm) has 1800 HE max damage

[onyx raven]

I’m sure if you lined up five Mauses with HE and got them to shoot a Grille it would cause a similar amount of damage lol

[blissful hamlet]

4.5s would be pretty short for a 15cm, if you consider that the Foch has 7 and it has a pretty decent RoF

[thorny smelt]

Well...WT-E100 is a rear-mounted cabin tank destroyer

[tranquil saffron]

smasher is op if you good enough

[ebon lantern]

when will wargaming make the smoke bombs armed on some tanks work? cus it would be cool

[tranquil saffron]

keep dreaming

[plucky summit]

Applicable to many tanks

[ebon lantern]

furry😱😱😱

[tranquil saffron]

duck

[ebon lantern]

same thing

[tranquil saffron]

lol

[remote sentinel]

Uh can i get some tips on this funny tank? this tank make me feel asia server no longer is pain

[fierce inlet]

how good is the e50m compared to other t10 mediums?

[wise moth]

It’s pretty good. Overall a pretty flexible medium. His armor allows him to bully other mediums in a med vs. med fight. Mediocre DPM and AP pen can limit his effectiveness and dealing damage to heavies, but it’s still ok at it.

[viral trellis]

Type 71 havers, do you prefer the extra speed or extra gun depression?

I find myself side scraping more than hull downing these days

[foggy spire]

Speed is key. Makes your armor more troll.

[foggy spire]

What happened here?

[viral trellis]

I see, I had gotten that feeling as well, thank you

[pulsar sinew]

Doesn’t concern anyone but them and the mod team

[foggy spire]

Okay…

[pulsar sinew]

Idk why people are so nosy

Crazy

[foggy spire]

Kran vs M-6-Yoh? Really difficult choice.

[plucky summit]

Easily M-VI-Yoh

[foggy spire]

Does it have better armor and gun than the Kran?

[plucky summit]

Worse armor, much better gun

[foggy spire]

Okay…I’ll take your advice. Also 2 shot gun or 3 shot gun?

[plucky summit]

3 shot is meta, but 2 shot is if you wanna be a heavy 183 with no HESH

Well, I guess 3 shot is if you wanna be a heavy BatChat 🤔

[foggy spire]

Hmm. Do I run shell reload booster or dispersion booster consumable on the 3 shot?

[plucky summit]

It depends on how you wanna play it, I guess. Shell dumper for close range, reticle calibration for longer ranges

[foggy spire]

Because on the YOH-5, my modules seem to break after each penetration. I’d like 2 repair kits. Have to pick.

[plucky summit]

#Don’tGetPenned 😎

[balmy compass]

3 shot can run the intra booster
2 shot would probably need the reticle

[analog badge]

hi

[plucky summit]

You must really hate whoever you're shooting to run shell reload on two shot

[analog badge]

Can someone recommend me quipment for Jg Pz E100?

[foggy spire]

LMAO.

[balmy compass]

yeah

[high arrow]

So, when will WG add the Churchill AVRE?

The Churchill Armoured Vehicle Royal Engineers, or Churchill AVRE (often shortened to AVRE), is a British variant of the Churchill Tank, fitted with a 290mm Spigot Mortar instead of its normal 6-Pounder cannon.

[balmy compass]

a 29cm gun
our biggest gun in blitz is a 18.9cm
why

[plucky summit]

18.9?
Not 18.3?

[balmy compass]

oh, yes you are right

[plucky summit]

👍👍

[violet timber]

Never

[meager coyote]

oh so when will wg add strumtiger?🤓

[foggy spire]

British KV-2, but better.

[high arrow]

But better

[plucky summit]

Hence it's never coming into the game

[onyx raven]

Yeah how would they balance it?

[balmy compass]

Looks alot like the tech tree Matilda, I don’t see much point in adding it, even as a premium since we have the russian Matilda IV or something

Yeah, but I think the tech tree one is

[dusky kindle]

If they added more water spots it would turn into wot lmao, all the 183s and jageroos would drown before being killed

[balmy compass]

That would probably just be some Sherman with 0mm of spaced armor around the hull
Basically keep KV-2s from insta killing them with HE

[dusky kindle]

Lmao yep, lot of people drown themselves on port bay rather than dying
And Yamato harbor

[balmy compass]

-Medium sees that they will lose
-Rushes to that spot on Port Bay to die

I think that tank is already in the game, the T70/57
Tier III Russian light
Collector tank

[dusky kindle]

Yeah it is, comes around maybe once a year for 3-4 usd

It’s a little different but still the t70

Turret shape and gun, other than that it’s identical

Yep in blitz, prob removed in update 5.5

Got anymore tanks ?

Yeah I don’t think that’s in blitz
I also don’t see how that tank would be anything above average lmao

[sleek apex]

(M3 Lee looking away as if it didnt see that message)

[dusky kindle]

Oh yeah that would be just a worse stg

What tier is it on console

I haven’t played console so idk what that means
But I can’t see it being a good tank

It’s not slow then but seems people hate it and has bad pen

Or at least a troll gun idk

So the gun is fast firing, what’s the alpha? And that armor is not great

The fire chance is good I think, not sure about console stats

This is what I found for the stats

Doesn’t look that bad actually considering that could be wot pc or console I’m not sure

Cya man

I added u

[solid gate]

Removed from tech tree, those who had it before 5.5 still keep it

[dusky kindle]

I know

[sleek apex]

Its a lend lease Matilda fitted with Soviet gun mantlet and the 76.2mm ZiS-5 gun from KV-1

[wheat delta]

chieftain mk.6 good?

[mighty quail]

yes

chieftain mk.6 is good

buff chieftain mk.6

[odd cove]

in what way

[solid gate]

He means more HP I think. I don’t think it’s necessary, it’s a pretty nice tank to play from all accounts, while still being balanced. It’s a med killer, so it’s HP is still going to be far above anything it’s facing probably, enough to bully meds around

[odd cove]

the mk6 is fine as is

[mighty quail]

plz

buff it

[solid gate]

what do you think

[eternal glade]

Lucky

[oak pollen]

I think chieftain mk6 is good
But it seem bad when compare to super conqueror

[oak pollen]

Lucky
I never get tank from crate after play game for 1 year

[solid gate]

nooo, that's the cinese crate!!

it's my firs t10 premium/collection

[oak pollen]

But still, very lucky

[odd cove]

super conq is the definition of hulldown and holding a position, while the chieftain is also good at hulldown but is meant to brawl and bully

[ashen crown]

My dead tank looked like a concept

[odd cove]

modified is-2h

[civic charm]

t-43sh

[silent pivot]

More like baby version of obj. 120

But i have found an issue with svear
It doesn't carries the Swedish national voice
With gets me quite off about it

Also it needs a little bit of buff. (Specially the perimmo penetration)

[thorny smelt]

Kranvagn line itself doesn't have its own national crew voice

[silent pivot]

Bruh

It feel like amaricans invaded Sweden

Still svear needs a premium ammo penetration buff (204mm is quite bad for a prammo for middium tank)

Thats with cali

[plush blade]

Hey guys does anyone know where this tank will start from?

[oak pollen]

Yeah
But from overall I think super conqueror is little better

[civic charm]

i had hard time in my m5 yoh trying to pen the turret of super conq so i had to push him

[lyric copper]

nah the sconq doesn’t have the gun or mobility of the chief Mk.6

[oak pollen]

It might have 170 he pen in the future (cuz it have same gun as conqueror that get he pen buff while ago), also for now, super conqueror have slightly better turret armor, better side armor.
It advantage make I think super conqueror is better than chieftain mk6 even chieftain mk6 have better speed, DPM

[empty helm]

From pizza nation

[solid gate]

S. Conq is more reliable and therefore probably a better tank, but I don’t think this takes away from the chieftain, cause it’s got better characteristics in certain areas. S conq might be better, but from what I’ve heard chieftain is a lot nicer to play, and it’s a decent tank

[thorny smelt]

From Lady GaGa nation

[limber berry]

any tips for the Conqueror?

[solid gate]

Rush meds with your great gun and mobility, armour will also block a bit vs them. Hull down is ok with seven degrees gun dep and a forward turret. Never expect to bounce anything, just use your armour the best you can and you’ll get some, but not reliably

[limber berry]

ok thx

[stuck mango]

any worth grinding the 121?

[lilac mica]

Hell yeah, it's the med version of the heavy, the gun goes boom with 400 alpha, I got it this week and i'm very happy

[odd cove]

starts from tier 4

[dusky kindle]

So it branches off the 14tp?

[odd cove]

yeah, at tier 7 is the start of the turrets

[thorny smelt]

No, Lago. Starts at tier 5 with Semovente M41
Tier 6: Bassotto
Tier 7: SMV CC-56
Tier 8: SMV CC-67
Tier 9: Controcarro Mk. 2
Tier 10: Controcarro 3 Minotauro

[dusky kindle]

I forgot about the lago 0-0

[thorny smelt]

It's alright

[summer sentinel]

Hi

[onyx raven]

Tier V-X of the European tech tree, most likely after the Lago’s engine mods

[thorny smelt]

I gave the answer alreadyyyy 😭

[rare crater]

Does WG even add real tanks to the game anymore?

I could write a detailed discription of a tank made from a excavator parts and theres a good chance it would be added as a teir 7 premimum

[onyx raven]

M41 and Bassoto 💀

[empty helm]

Nope and never

[rare crater]

Im pretty sure the bulldog isnt new
And do we even have a itialian tech tree?

[onyx raven]

As in the Semnovente M41 have you not been looking at the previous conversation

[thorny smelt]

Semovente M41 (da 75/18) is like your Italian 🍝 Stug III

[onyx raven]

Also The Euro TT

That’s where Italian tanks are

[rare crater]

Its slightly better than a stug 3 (going off how it preforms in wt compared to said stug3)
Tho idk what wacky upgrades tanks have in this game anymore

[thorny smelt]

It's a pew pew tank in WoT PC

[rare crater]

Did the italians give it a auto loader?

[onyx raven]

In WT?! The M41?! Hahahaha

[thorny smelt]

Lord help me

[rare crater]

Im pretty sure it is? In wt then again most italian tanks look the same

Also why do we have the probably fake swedish tanks in the game when the sweds had real ones that could have filled the tree

[onyx raven]

They were a series of real projects, though the Emils were just under the code name of Kranvagn so I guess Wargaming just did that to stretch the tree.

[odd cove]

“mobile crane”

[rare crater]

They could have used real tanks tho because isnt the swed line a TD line?

[onyx raven]

Only fake one there is the Leo iirc

[onyx raven]

What do you mean?

[rare crater]

Swedish centurion 🐌
Or IKV 91

[onyx raven]

Those could be added in another line

There’s a ton of Swedish TDs which could be added that aren’t even in PC

[rare crater]

The swedish door stop and that one tanks where is gun beach sits outside the turret

Ngl a IKV 91 would give the RU a run for its money for being a annoying tank to deal with

[onyx raven]

Tier V - PVKV IV
Tier VI - Strv M42 DT
Tier VII - PVKV II/III
Tier VIII - Likely a Wargaming OC
Tier IX - IKV-91
Tier X - IKV-91-105

[past crane]

That’s real. Blueprints exist but it never really progressed past that stage.

[rare crater]

Wait are we talking about the same IKV 91 here?

When i say IKV 91 i mean the extremely light tank thats basically a BMP2 with w scary gun

[onyx raven]

Ah. Well the Emils did have a hull built, but they never could get the turret right.

[onyx raven]

Yes, and they would work good for a light TD line that’s unique compared to the PC TD line

[past crane]

Yup
WG kinda changed some stuff between the different versions of the Emil/KRV ingame to fit balance better however
I forget exactly what, but it’s on the WG Wiki pages for the Emils and Kran.

[rare crater]

The swedish had very good APDS rounds
They used apds during the 1940s
So the swedish tanks should have higher than average pen for their tiers to reflect it

I dont own any so idk if thats the case rn

[plucky summit]

It’s pretty standard, in fact, Kranvagn having APCR as the standard round makes it one of the worst for heavies, if not the worst

[onyx raven]

Prammo my guy (also 37mms)

[past crane]

It isn’t all their pen is at or below average
Balance 💀

[rare crater]

Welp there goes "realism" out the window

I forgot wg doesnt know what modern-ish ammo is

[plucky summit]

They know, they just don’t wanna complicate ammunition

[rare crater]

I mean its understand able i wouldnt want my heavy tank to be melted by heatfs if i wanted that if play war pains

[past crane]

I mean there are tanks in the game which use APDS, APBC, HVAP, etc. but it’s simplified into AP and APCR.
Notice how some tanks particularly many higher tier British ones have ammo names using ammo types not actually ingame.

[plucky summit]

Oh really? Alright. “HESH Mk. I” for the 183

[past crane]

I said not all

[rare crater]

Does the walker bulldog get heat
If not be happy WG doesnt know the germans gave it a heat round

[plucky summit]

When?

[rare crater]

Or how the italians gave the fire fly a sabot round 🐌

[past crane]

Yes it does
@plucky summit take a look, it’s in several tier 8s and 9s for sure

[rare crater]

God dam it, its a german shell WG

[plucky summit]

The “Oh really? Alright.” Was intended for Dyno, since apparently “HESH Mk. I” means too many caps

[past crane]

Ohhh lol

[rare crater]

WG wont add atgm carriers to the game right?

[past crane]

They did

[rare crater]

They tested it and it back fired hard no?

[past crane]

Are you sure the M496 HEAT shell isn’t an American round?

[plucky summit]

They tested it once, then introduced it in the line, now all that’s left is Sheridan Missile, which can’t be used in normal battles

[rare crater]

No its not the americans never gave the bulldog a heat round
That was a german development

[past crane]

Interesting you’re right
Didn’t know that, but hey at least I get my extra pen bonus using cali!

[rare crater]

90mm heat as standard ammo would be nice on my japanese MTs (post 1945 tanks i mean)

[onyx raven]

Considering they’re the only ones with 90mms that clarification wasn’t really needed lol

[empty helm]

Have fun trying to pen tanks with spaced armor

[rare crater]

Tanks such as?
Idk that many that have spaced armor
Tho i know id have enough to defeat the spaced armor of a super pershing's front plate turret face and cheeks

[empty helm]

E-75ts and other tank that I am too lazy to type it all

[rare crater]

320mm of pen is what the 90mm heatfs shell had tho WGs probably lowered that number

[onyx raven]

HEAT would fuse on spaced armour tho

[rare crater]

If the pen value was high enough the jet would cut through anyways

[empty helm]

I don't think so

[onyx raven]

It goes off of contact so the Jet wouldn’t cause Damage. That’s the point of spaced armour

[rare crater]

Hang on we need a shell simulation for this

[empty helm]

No need

[onyx raven]

I am 100% with AP for the 90mm

[oak pollen]

How to play IS-3 effectively?

[rare crater]

Spaced armor only works if it cools down the jet of hot copper enough other wise it just continues

And I3? Dont angle hull that much and face things with your turret

[onyx raven]

Ha. That is a flawed understanding of HEAT vs Spaced armour

[solid gate]

Hide lower plate, abuse side armour

[onyx raven]

The jet works of kinetic force gained by the explosives behind it going off. The molten jet thing is a myth.

[rare crater]

Is it tho?

[onyx raven]

Yes. It is.

[rare crater]

Im pretty sure thats not how heat works

[onyx raven]

Wikipedia isn’t always amazing, but this is spot on.

[onyx raven]

Then how does it? Explain.

[rare crater]

Thats exactly what i said

[onyx raven]

It isn’t.

[rare crater]

If your talking about the copper thing thats shell specific

[onyx raven]

No. You alluded to HEAT creating a molten jet that spaced armour need to ‘cool down’. That’s not how it works. I want to know why you think it does.

[rare crater]

Thats what space armor was used for

It dets the heat early so the jet doesnt have enough power to cut into the armor
But if the shell is large enough it could just brute force its way passed the spaced armor

[empty helm]

2 nerd wotb player's explaining how heat works

[onyx raven]

Despite the acronym, HEAT (meaning high explosive anti-tank) does NOT work off of thermal energy. It fuzes upon contact with an object and fires a jet of metal out via explosives in the shell. This liner works only on Kinetic force. Spaced armour causes the shell to fuse before contact with actual armour and causes the liner to loose energy and this not penetrate armour x

It cannot brute force it’s way through armour.

[rare crater]

It can if its large enough and depending how far apart the spaced armor is from the actual part of armor

Yes this is ripped from wt

[onyx raven]

And what does that have to do with anything?

[rare crater]

Its a animation of how a heatfs round works

[pulsar sinew]

You two can take this to dms

[rare crater]

But we are having a civil discussion on the inner working of a ammo type some vehicles use
We havent used insults yet

[pulsar sinew]

It’s more so the clogging of the chat

[rare crater]

Fair

[onyx raven]

Bruh you arguing with a mod

Shut up about it or you’ll summon Mike Sparks

[rare crater]

Who

[empty helm]

Kid named finger

[solid gate]

Mind if I say my bit? 😁 can’t have 3 people in DMs XD. I can’t say exactly how HEAT works IRL, but in game it just loses a pen percentage vs spaced armour and tracks. It’s not like it will definitely bounce, just lowers the chance. Obviously often HEAT is used when you need prammo, so cause it will be close to the armour value the pen loss will mean it bounces more vs spaced armour and tracks. If you’ve never seen HEAT go through spaced armour in game you need to play more lol.

[pulsar sinew]

You can create group dms if everyone are friends

[empty helm]

Noo
My online what is heat lesson

[solid gate]

We’re not, I was kind of making a cheeky joke lol, but you don’t mind my message do you? I can delete but I’m not spamming and it’s relevant to the channel

[pulsar sinew]

No. Everyone is completely fine and it’s respectful

I have no issues with that. I just don’t want the channel super clogged up is all😉

[solid gate]

👍 fair enough

[oak pollen]

Thx

[solid gate]

@plucky summit since you’re the expert XD, I want to know exactly how 3CRB effects different tanks when sidescraping. Cause it only stops auto ricochets, it should only be a bad thing if a tank has spaced armour if it has to rely on an auto ricochet angle right? And a tank good at sidescraping relies on effective armour, not auto ricochet angles (any tank can use that as long as 3CR or 3CRB don’t come into play). So then any tank good at sidescraping is still helped by the spaced armour right? Like a T 22 med or an E 75 TS

[onyx raven]

https://www.sealionpress.co.uk/post/the-ballad-of-mike-sparks

[onyx raven]

@rare crater

[violet timber]

Modern day HEAT does take much more advantage of the “High-Explosive” nature as it is used against lightly armored vehicles to much more effect

[solid gate]

Babe, wake up; new tank's just dropped.

[plucky summit]

It mainly depends on how thick the actual side is, and how thick the spaced armor plate is.

If you have thin sides but they’re strong enough to not get 3CR’d, then the spaced armor will hurt its ability to sidescrape, since it gets rid of your ability to auto-ricochet.

Not that tracks do the same thing, so spaced armor isn’t the only issue that a tank has

[solid gate]

Ah, so what I thought was correct, doesn’t really affect any tanks good at sidescraping, only those that had to rely on an auto ricochet (215b is one tank that’s particular badly affected cause the rear mounted turret means it was a decent side scraper even when only relying on auto ricochet angles)

[plucky summit]

Even effective tanks probably would lose their ability to sidescrape. I need to verify that it also performs 2CRB

[solid gate]

No? Cause they don’t rely on auto ricochets. They rely on effective armour which isn’t affected by 3CRB

[plucky summit]

I said 2CRB for a reason

[solid gate]

Yep, good point. Would be terrible if it got that too

But if it’s also activated by tracks then basically all tanks that rely on auto ricochet angles are useless at sidescraping? As long as you know to aim at tracks and not the side of the hull where it won’t be activated without spaced armour

[plucky summit]

I remember seeing T-22 hold strong even behind tracks. I’ll have to check again soon, since I gotta drive home 😋

[forest ermine]

Nice colour you've got there 👀

[solid gate]

Eyyyyyy congrats mate! (On the role, not bouncing a shot in t 22 XD)

[plucky summit]

🙌

[solid gate]

Fair enough. Well the thing is, even if 2CRB applies, the shot can still ricochet from inside the spaced armour and angled hull, so as long as 3CRB and 2CRB don’t come into play it should still be ok. But if 2CRB is a thing then it basically means you need to rely on auto ricochet angles

[thick trout]

Another yellow one in the cult oh no

[solid gate]

Had to fill in the gap left by Martin__g (I know Martin____g still has the role but you mod is the main one/colour you see)

[arctic kettle]

can I just ask how, if you take a tier 9 turret, tier 9 gun, tier 9 hull (the Emil 2 has 110mm); you get a tier 10 heavy?

[solid gate]

Which tank are you discussing?

[arctic kettle]

the announced Strv K

[solid gate]

Oh of course, mention of the turret got me confused, thought you were thinking Kran has the same turret as the Emil ii 😂. Yeah I don’t understand, it’s like a heavy, but with really bad med stats. Pretty sure this is way worse than an emil ii hull, Kran has the same hull as Emil ii I believe which is average in tier ten, this hull seems ridiculously weak but I’m not sure what pen it was facing. Also the gun is isn’t a tier nine gun, but in between ten and nine standards, like a 30B

[arctic kettle]

actually the kran has 10mm less on the hull
meaning that the Emil 2 has a stronger hull than a tier 10
and yet they decide that the 'brand new' 'tier 10' 'heavy' has a worse hull than the emil 2
the gun is also med-like (the Leo PTA has a comparable gun)
and the turret is just terrible (252mm? WHERE?)

[solid gate]

Ah right, thought Kran was identical. And that’s fine that’s it’s stronger on the emil ii, the Kran is all about the turret, the emil ii doesn’t have a great turret.
Yeah the gun on strv K seems bad when you consider the turret. But it’s fairly close to a 30B or an Stb 1, pta has worse dpm, that’s why I say it sort of sits in between tier nine and ten.
As far as I can tell the only way the tank would work is if it had a 5/1 turret but in tier ten, cause the mobility and other stats are all so bad. Basically gets the worst of both worlds, not enough armour to even be considered a heavy but has all the weak points about a heavy with none of the good points of a med

[arctic kettle]

I've seen a picture of an E50M looking at it from the front, AP loaded
basically everything but the gun mantlet is pennable

[solid gate]

Sounds about right. Hopefully they buff something, it makes the 30B look really good lol

[arctic kettle]

from the looks of it, it's supposed to be a heavium, so;
-buff the reload speed to compensate for the alpha, and make it more on-par with other heaviums
-buff the mobility (especially the engine power)
-buff the turret armour, but don't touch the hull (just give it the 252mm everywhere on the front; cheeks, roof etc) maybe even buff it up to 270mm

[plucky summit]

Thanks @solid gate @forest ermine, some nice people gave it to me 😋

[solid gate]

I got pinged by a community helper, my day is made!! 😱😈

[plucky summit]

You misunderstand, by the way. When 3CRB happens, it’s by simple deduction that 2CRB also applies. Of course, I should make sure that’s true, though

No matter what, if 2CRB is ever applied, that means 3CRB happened, so the shot doesn’t ricochet

[solid gate]

Maybe it’s simple deduction? But 3CRB isn’t really an offical thing so who knows.
2CRB means the spaced armour is thin enough that if it was actual armour 2CR would apply right? But when it happens with spaced armour it gets applied to hull armour. 3CRB is the same but gives you 3CR for the hull armour, so obviously if 3CR applies 2CR should too (if 2CRB is a thing) but don’t see why 3CRB necessarily applies if 2CRB does?

Sorry it’s late at night so I’m rambling a bit, hope you get what I’m saying

[violet timber]

Another yellow boi has appeared

[plucky summit]

It’s officially a bug, at least

2CRB will always apply because it relies on the existence of 3CRB occurring

For the logic behind shell trajectories, I assume 2CR can only apply to a main armor plate, else we kind of would have problems with spaced armor already before 3CRB even existed. The shell would comedically normalize into the main armor plate before applying its own normalization to that same armor plate

[violet timber]

Doesn’t 3crb rely on that initial normalization from the spaced armor to work?

[plucky summit]

Shells do not normalize into spaced armor by any means, as far as I know.

What spaced armor does is trigger 3CR to instantly be applied to whatever main armor plate the AP/APCR shell hits afterwards

Hence 3CRB is just 3CR Bypassing

[violet timber]

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[plucky summit]

So to clarify, 3CRB relies on the fact the shell hits spaced armor (or an external module) at all

[violet timber]

I was always under the impression that the shell normalized on the spaced armor, which then made the angle of the main armor plate less, effectively activating the 3cr without having a large caliber

[plucky summit]

That's double normalization 😊
Without activating 3CR, it's just adding 2°/5° to the already predicted normaliztion

[balmy compass]

true WoTb maff nerd
congrats on yellow too Chicken

[plucky summit]

Thanks

[lyric copper]

woah hes yellow

[plucky summit]

False, I'm just a really really light orange

[pulsar sinew]

Gold

[valid gale]

Fools gold*

[solid gate]

Ah, you mean the shell would need less normalisation if it normalised into the spaced armour? But that’s presuming the hull and spaced armour are directly aligned?

[plucky summit]

Okay, so assume the shell normalizes, would that not change the trajectory of the shell? If it did, then whatever happens in Blitz is heresy

[opaque flicker]

Tiger II stock is actually the first good stock tank I've played

[solid gate]

But that’s not 2CRB anyway, 2CRB if I get the idea should be that the caliber X2 bigger than than the spaced armour plate value means 2CR then applies to the main hull armour. 2CR applying separately to spaced armour is a different concept right?

[solid gate]

Shell normalisation changes the direction of the shell right? Or are you saying it doesn’t

[plucky summit]

Okay, so for Blitz, as far as I know, normalization does not occur to spaced armor.

With 3CRB, the only thing it does it cause normalization into the main armor (as well as preventing a ricochet, of course)

[lucid bough]

armor 9001 full of s***
maus is 100 times better

[plucky summit]

😀❔

[lucid bough]

9001 = 📄
maus = 🪨

[plucky summit]

What even is 9001

[lyric copper]

90.01 i believe

[lyric oriole]

you know, the 9001

[solid gate]

Yeah ok, I think you made a mistake earlier, you said 3CRB has to apply if 2CRB does, when you meant 2CRB has to apply when 3CRB does. My mistake, I got confused lol, thought there was some new concept behind it I didn’t know about lol

[plucky summit]

VK 90 is what the cool kids call it (or any sane person, at that)

And that statement is easily false lol, VK 90 has a much better armor profile than Maus

[wise moth]

Penetration checks are run as independent events

Say a 75mm AP shell hits a 15mm screen at 72 degrees, then a parallel 50mm primary armor plate:

1. Against the screen; First the ricochet is checked. Since it passes the 3 caliber rule, there is no ricochet. Then penetration is calculated. 2 caliber rule takes effect here, so the effective thickness of the screen is 38mm. The shell loses 38mm of penetration, then strikes the 50mm primary armor plate, remaining on its course of 72 degrees. Here it fails the ricochet check, and thus bounces.

@plucky summit @solid gate

[lucid bough]

Vk 90.01 P

[solid gate]

4 shot autoloader rear turreted heavy

[plucky summit]

D:

Did you just call it a bounce?

[wise moth]

I just use “bounce” as the generic term for non-penetration

[lucid bough]

120mm sides is the best armor?

[plucky summit]

Eh, fair enough, I guess. Also that sounds a little familiar, surely it wouldn't be the side of the T26E4's armor plate?

@lucid bough Maus has 80mm

[wise moth]

*185mm

[plucky summit]

Well, behind the tracks, it's 80mm :p
VK 90's "best armor" is actually 140mm on the upper sides, 120mm behind its tracks

[solid gate]

That would sound about right, except for this 3CRB thing that @plucky summit is talking about, which means that they’re not necessarily run independently, but that the 3CR coming into play against the spaced armour means it comes into play vs the main hull armour too

[lucid bough]

80mm which can be seen in one small dot and the rest have a 105mm screen

[wise moth]

Each layer of armor you hit is treated as an independent penetration event. If you hit a 15mm screen, and a 15mm primary armor plate, 3 caliber rule is checked in both

[plucky summit]

A small dot 🙄

Hey Posit1ve_, you wouldn't happen to have a T-22 medium to shoot at, would you?

[solid gate]

@plucky summit has apparently tested and that’s not how it works as of more recent years?

[wise moth]

I do, but I’m also at work 😅

[lyric oriole]

That brings up a question for me, if the caliber rule for normalization is checked , does that alter where the shell hits at all

[lucid bough]

In VK, the area is still larger
and the main question is not in thickness but in the correct holding of the rhombus

[plucky summit]

Armor inspector assumes the path does not change

[wise moth]

No. The game doesn’t have normalization affect shell trajectory

[plucky summit]

Here's the two against good ol' Ho-Ri, and for obvious reasons, neither of them can angle their sides more or else they'll be penned in the sides

Look who can angle more :)

[lucid bough]

the maus can be rotated much more

[plucky summit]

Oh really?

[lyric copper]

dont think it can chief

[lucid bough]

More)))

[wise moth]

That’s a super high pen kinetic round, which is not a great test of practical armor profile

[solid gate]

^^^

[wise moth]

In practicality, most players against Maus will load standard and try to gamble at the lower plate

[solid gate]

No reason it can’t go the full 70 degrees is there??

[lyric copper]

better yet they just shoot through the tracks if the maus is overangling

[plucky summit]

The reason is 3CRB 😅

[solid gate]

Vs avg prammo it’s actually still decent though

[wise moth]

Uh…. No gun in the game passes 3 caliber rule for Maus 80mm sides

[plucky summit]

3
Caliber
Rule
Bypassing

[wise moth]

That’s not a real thing

[solid gate]

Which @wise moth doesn’t know about? Look I’ve learnt all about this only to see it denied by a community helper, I’m a bit confused lol

[lucid bough]

😂

[plucky summit]

This is why I asked for your T-22, I wanted to test it again now, since the first time, I penetrated a T-22 medium's side without overangling, just because I hit the spaced armor first

Unfortunately I can't exaggerate 3CRB's abilities without a Ho-Ri, so FV4005 or something will do for the shooter

[wise moth]

Also, I want to add that 3 caliber rule does NOT mean “insta-pen”

3 caliber rule is just “skip the ricochet check”. I.e, treat your shell like a HEAT round with the benefit of 2 caliber rule/normalization benefits

[plucky summit]

Yes, I am aware

But my point was that despite the T-22's auto-ricochet angle, I penetrated it

[solid gate]

Yes, got me confused when I first thought about 3CRB, although it effectively means an auto pen if your effective armour isn’t high enough. @plucky summit I’ve got a t 22 med, are you on apac at all?

[wise moth]

It just appears that way because T-22’s lower side is angled more steeply than its upper side, so it can sometimes give the illusion that that the screens (which just so happen to be covering the upper side) make it easier to pen

[plucky summit]

I suppose the models are failing me

Apologies for my over-reliance on Armor Inspector, it's just I've trusted it since the first test

[lyric copper]

looking closely there is change in angle

[solid gate]

@plucky summit using a tank with flat sides is a better idea than a t 22 which is angled behind the tracks, better for knowing ricochet angles

[wise moth]

I usually trust armor inspector too, but it’s not pulling the server’s logic, it’s just coded based on an interpretation of what we know about pen mechanics

[plucky summit]

Yeah, I guess so, it's just I thought 80mm with only 3mm of protection to maximize accuracy in calculation would be good to show off how this works

[wise moth]

I’ve literally helped the creator verify that the mechanics in armor inspector work as they do in game

[plucky summit]

I'm afraid something isn't quite right, then

[solid gate]

Wait is that about EA affecting 3CR? Cause I’ve wondered about that, does it affect it? Or does EA only increase effective armour

[plucky summit]

I've tested that one more reliably, and it shows that EA does increase the nominal armor (especially without dirty armor homogenization in the way anymore), allowing it to ricochet more shells

[wise moth]

It is

[solid gate]

Ah thanks a lot, perfect. I now know I can sidescrape in my Leo 1 vs all other tier ten meds if I run EA LOL (apart from 121). And of course same for lights apart from Sheri

[solid gate]

Forgotten exactly what armour homogenisation is again, are you up for explaining? 😈

[plucky summit]

It mean armor gooder when thickness doesn't necessarily say so

Not game mechanic anymore (allegedly)

[solid gate]

What? Sorry that means nothing to me lol. Are you trying to say effective armour can increase while nominal stays the same or effective armour could be better than the nominal + the angle should make it? Glad it’s not a mechanic anymore lol

[plucky summit]

It means nothing to me, too. I don't like thinking about it. So I'm not actually quite sure if it affected 2CR or 3CR, but certain tanks' armor plates were more effective than they should've been, according to the nominal thickness + angle

Pretty sure it affected the Germans the most, since you'll notice that Tiger P has 208mm plates now, instead of "200mm"

[solid gate]

Ahh right, so yeah makes sense. Yeah best not to think about it if you don’t understand it XD

[solid gate]

I think this was the issue I came across when reading an old discussion on whether EA affected 3CR (ultimately whether it affected nominal armour) so I’m glad it’s been cleared up

[solid gate]

Interesting, never noticed, and that would have made testing for EA and 3CR quite hard if it affected different tanks differently 🤯

[plucky summit]

😵‍💫

[solid gate]

I’m still curious about 3CRB, where did you get that idea for the 215B pictures you edited to explain it? Maybe I should go test since it seems you don’t know anymore?

[plucky summit]

When I get the chance, I'll test it again myself. The only image I edited was the third (middle) one, since apparently tracks and wheels get stacked over each other, making it red when it says it'll pen.

Otherwise, all images were screenshots of armor inspector

[solid gate]

Yeah, well the thing is as you just realised armour inspector isn’t always absolutely accurate lol, so definitely some testing needed. I mean the screenshots should prove but apparently don’t necessarily

[plucky summit]

I relied on it since it passed the first test 😔

[solid gate]

What first test? You mean when it first came out?

[plucky summit]

IS-7 vs T-22 Medium

Firing at the side, through the spaced armor. It penetrated

[solid gate]

Ah gotcha, and armour inspector screenshots seemed to back that up too

I thought T 22 med was pretty strong on the sides, it shouldn’t be relying on an auto ricochet angle anyway??

[plucky summit]

It’s only 80mm, it literally relies on auto-rico, and it can do it because it has such a steep vertical angle too

[solid gate]

So what’s the point of it sidescraping as opposed to literally any other med?? Or are you saying the auto-Rico is better because of the angling behind the tracks?

[plucky summit]

Well, I suppose 80mm >70 degrees angles is pretty good effectively, but the point of doing it is so AP and APCR can’t harm you (unless they hit the tiny bar at the top)

Here's the image, btw. Sorry it took so long, my computer had a stroke trying to load all the screenshots in the folder, so I had to restart it

[solid gate]

It’s more than 80 MM due to the screens isn’t it? And the angling of the hull, the V-shape should already give it high effective armour plus the 70 degree angle added to it. Well yes sidescraping at 70 degrees to ricochet AP/APCR is fine, but most meds can do that, as long as 3CR doesn’t come into play. Not sure why it’s known to be a strong sidescraper if it just relies on an auto ricochet. I guess it’s good vs HEAT due to the screens placed a decent distance from the hull, so they don’t get that 85 degree angle to pen

[plucky summit]

The screens are only 3mm, it's such a strong sidescraper because you don't even need to angle 70°, because the V shaped hull makes up a lot of that angle

[solid gate]

Lol right

[solid gate]

Right, so you can angle more and still bounce?

[plucky summit]

Yup, you can "over"angle

You can angle twice as much as a normal tank would, and still get auto-ricochets

[solid gate]

Ah ok 👍, so relies on an auto-Rico but not for the actual angle the tank is at due to the funky hull shape. I see why it’s such an interesting one when it comes to 3CRB then

[plucky summit]

Ye, I think it would have a big reaction since T-22 is so renowned for abusing auto-rico

[solid gate]

Interesting, except the angle of the hull gets flatter closer to the top doesn’t it? So firing at the higher end of the sides would be easier to pen

[plucky summit]

By perspective, it does, but it’s barely a difference

[solid gate]

Yeah, and also, it relies on an auto Rico while still being really good at sidescraping (able to overangle) which most tanks that rely on an auto Rico aren’t particularly good at sidescraping anyway so 3CRB doesn’t matter too much. Right, guess it just looks like it changes a fair bit.

[wise moth]

I’m still pretty sure that the ricochet check is repeated for 3 caliber rule regardless of spaced armor

https://youtu.be/UFktFSJZPsQ
(Skip to 11:40)
@plucky summit

[plucky summit]

I don’t want to change what I know until a test disproves it :(

[plucky summit]

If 3CRB happens, then T-22 can’t even angle much against a Ho-Ri without getting drilled through the screens or tracks.

[solid gate]

Yep

[plucky summit]

So 3CRB matters a lot in its case

[solid gate]

Yeah that’s what I’m saying. Most sidescraping tanks rely on effective armour, auto Rico doesn’t matter too much, it’s standard for most tanks, so 3CRB isn’t overly important for good sidescrapers anyway. However T 22 med would be affected enormously by it, as it can overangle while still using an auto Rico not effective armour

[plucky summit]

Most sidescraping tanks rely on auto-rico 😬

[solid gate]

Btw is S conq a good tank to test this on? Has spaced armour, and enough side armour that 3CR won’t come into play. But does it have enough side armour that’s it’s effective armour will matter more than the 70 degree angle? In which case test will be useless

[plucky summit]

Honestly, you could just hit the tracks to test 3CRB

Effective armor easily won't be enough to beat 3CR with raw effectiveness

[solid gate]

What? What’s the use of that? Any tank can do that as long as 3CR doesn’t come into play. You’re not telling me a Wz 121 sidescrapes as well as an IS 7 lol (both 70 degree auto Rico)

[plucky summit]

The frontal armor is also an issue for WZ, hence it can’t sidescrape as simply

[solid gate]

But IS 7 has a pike nose, pretty bad for sidescraping, but it’s side armour holds it up I thought? Ideally it reverse sidescrapes of course

[plucky summit]

Well of course

A 150mm pike nose. As opposed to a measly 124mm plate

[solid gate]

You mean beat 3CRB with effectiveness? Right, it’s got 127 mm though, angled at around 70 degrees is gonna be ok for let’s say 230 APCR to go through?

[solid gate]

But it’s at a bad angle when sidescraping, so effective armour is literally close to 150 MM probably, if it exposes it

[plucky summit]

127mm at 70° just ricochets APCR ._.

The IS-7's pike nose isn't that badly designed, you're assuming it's like a vertical plate, angled only horizontally, so when you unangle that horizontal angle, there's no vertical angle to retain any effectiveness. Unfortunately there is, IS-7 still has about a 60° angle, after angling 20° to the side

[solid gate]

Yeah, still got some armour. But I don’t think you’re meant to rely on frontal armour when sidescraping, idea is to show only the sides lol. Also thanks I’ll test S conq

[plucky summit]

Yeah, IS-7's pike loses against a lot of shells, cause normalization hits a 150mm plate hard. But it's not unangled down to 150mm effective

[solid gate]

Yeah true, saying it’s close to 150 was dumb, but it’s probably still under 240 ie. anything will go through except for Sheri maybe and bc

[plucky summit]

For HEAT, it's 300mm
For APCR, it's 283mm
For AP, it's 261mm, which a gamble from most heavies will deal with

[solid gate]

What's "3CRB" ?

[solid gate]

This is when sidescraping at 80 degrees (cause you mentioned 20 degree angle) against the side of an IS 7 pike nose? Stronger than I thought

[plucky summit]

Three calibers rule bypassing, a concept I came up with after seeing a consistent oddity in armor inspector's penetration simulation

@solid gate it's 70° sides, since it's 20° from 90°. But yes, this is the pike nose you see when it sidescrapes like that

[solid gate]

Ehhh sorry, super late night brain, somehow made a right angle into 100 degrees 😂 seems more logical I guess

K.

Ask again when he’s done some testing and is more sure about it lol

[plucky summit]

It's quite concerning, since I am pulling all of this out of a single test, and only a simulation that can easily be inaccurate.

I've propped the concept up since April, to be a yellow person but standing on a mound of misinformation? 😔

[solid gate]

😂😂 convinces me of something, then becomes a community helper, and immediately becomes unsure about whether it’s real 💀

[plucky summit]

Well it's really because Posit1ve_ started pushing back, and I haven't tested it in a long time

[solid gate]

Sounds like my ideal. The amount of crap I was certain about and spread but then realised was false 😂

[solid gate]

Yeah fair enough

[plucky summit]

Now, I will take my own tanks with a grain of salt.

I've already let X70 Reaper come out busted

[solid gate]

What’s that 👀

[blissful hamlet]

Looks menacing by the name

[plucky summit]

(The second image is the only one I'll actually do of modules)

[blissful hamlet]

Hmm

[plucky summit]

It should be quite obvious how broken the tank is, even if I didn't give it 2500 DPM for whatever reason.

[blissful hamlet]

Reminds me some tanks i made on SimplePlanes, some of them would be strong (an high caliber turreted td with 16° of gp for example), others are just meh

[solid gate]

Looks like WG has a new tier eight prem on the way 😬

[plucky summit]

It was one of the first, if not THE first tank that my brainlet thought up 😔

[blissful hamlet]

I also tried creating some stats for a real tank that would become an interesting premium/collector Lt, the X1A2

[plucky summit]

My tier I is called X1 o.o

[blissful hamlet]

The stats aren't even complete but i tried to make it a t9

[plucky summit]

That thing certainly needs more DPM if the armor isn't going to help it at all

[blissful hamlet]

Well, imma try finding the irl armor values, if it doesn't have composite

[plucky summit]

ouch

[blissful hamlet]

But i don't think so, it's a Stuart hull

[plucky summit]

🤔

[solid gate]

Looks like a Sp1C lol. HE pen looks pretty nice

[blissful hamlet]

Well, the ficctional 105mm is based on the L7, that's why it has 80mm of HE

[solid gate]

Nice

[violet timber]

The X1A2 isn’t a Stuart hull

[blissful hamlet]

It's a modified Stuart hull, the A2 has a extra bogie

[blissful hamlet]

Well, anyways

Not that armored but hey, it's blitz, no need to have irl armor values

[violet timber]

Here’s turret values as well

[blissful hamlet]

Well, it really isn't that armored

[scarlet grotto]

gambling is cool

[blissful hamlet]

Modified some things, still not sure about the concealment and mobility

[solid gate]

Hull traverse is bad for a light

[blissful hamlet]

Hmm, i based the transverse on the stuart, imma increase that to around 60 then

[solid gate]

Yeah

[blissful hamlet]

Now i need to figure out the crossing captability

[scarlet grotto]

tankenstein does not have any crew ? i see no medkit here

[violet timber]

It doesn’t have crew

[scarlet grotto]

thanks

[blissful hamlet]

It's supposed to have a zombie crew, so they removed crew damage for it in one of the recent updates

[scarlet grotto]

ok thanks for the info

[exotic lodge]

Yeah that is a good tank I like it with the small gun on it, it has more armor with it

[exotic lodge]

I forgot it had no crew that is a really cool thing about it!

[mild otter]

Hi

[static breach]

average terrain res for a t10 light is 120/110/100

for a t9 light its 120/105/75

[tepid stump]

Nice, I personally like the Tankenstein

[oak pollen]

Agree
No crew make life easier

[shell breach]

They should remove the fire or the fuel tank damage from the Defenders since it runs with electric engine. Maybe a stun would be cool

[plucky summit]

Electrical fires exist

[thorny smelt]

You're now a Community Helper. Yay!

[plucky summit]

It do be fax

[odd cove]

congrats on the role :D

[plucky summit]

Thanks

[molten hill]

am i the only one with this problem? (Legendary camouflage bugs the tracks)

[lilac mica]

Nope you're not the only one

[jade wren]

Dang only 6 heat shells

[scarlet grotto]

That is literally a 0.06 % chance of getting that thing, and since these free containers came out, that's only the 2nd time i got a tank in one of them

[blissful hamlet]

Is 115/103/85 good?

[oak pollen]

🙂
This is WoT not WoTB

[solid gate]

Is IS-5 worth to buy for credits grind?

[thorny smelt]

If you're low on gold then you can buy it. It is a decent USSR heavy tank. I suggest to keep on farming gold through ads and clan missions and some free crates. At least 5.5K gold is suggested to buy a better tier 8 premium.

[true plover]

that was only 10 day lol

[empty helm]

You scared me

[oak pollen]

10 day of bullying other people

[true plover]

i mean 10 battle

[oak pollen]

Imagine it's picture from WoTB

[empty helm]

Oh hell naww

[oak pollen]

It's 15

[true plover]

u got 5 from progression and 10 from opening engineer gate

[oak pollen]

I use engineer gate from stage 20 reward and get rental wt e100

[true plover]

[solid gate]

is IS-8 worth the grind?

[violet timber]

Yes

[lilac mica]

Yes

[molten hill]

Some problem?

[violet timber]

It’s a rather low amount

[torpid lagoon]

what's the max reload on the WZ-113 with Maxed Crew and Rammer?

I got 7.7 with a tier 6 crew and rammer

[odd cove]

i’ll check

[odd cove]

7.33 for me

wait do you want the fastest reload time or the slowest

[torpid lagoon]

Fastest

[odd cove]

7.33 then

[torpid lagoon]

Ah, good to know

Like 7.7 Seconds has got to be the fastest reload for me in a Heavy

[odd cove]

👍

[olive birch]

I heard free gift?

[odd cove]

?

[odd cove]

for me it’s the 113 with 7.3, 215b with 7.42, and mk6 with 7.58

[opaque flicker]

For me its actually 5.5, Tiger I

[solid gate]

B1 at teir 4 4.2 secs

[opaque flicker]

Churchill V, 3 seconds?

[odd cove]

they probably meant for t10

[opaque flicker]

I did not mean for tier 10, I'm just saying the fastest reload for a heavy

[brave juniper]

@brittle badge u forgot t22 a MEDIUM in the first Christmas event 🤨

[brittle badge]

Bro I already said I'm talking about SNOWGLOBE TANKS and T-22 was NOT a SNOWGLOBE TANK

[oak pollen]

Nope
Churchill I, 2.4second

[opaque flicker]

Machine gun

[odd cove]

no you lmao, i mean @ (YI) YI_Hou#0727 above you

[oak pollen]

Yea (stock gun) but alpha & pen is awful

[brittle badge]

And if we go by your message, the T-22 was not the first Christmas tank but it was the M60

[opaque flicker]

I know who you're talking about, I'm saying the fastest reloads

[odd cove]

oh

[opaque flicker]

Yeah sorry for the confusion

[brave juniper]

https://youtu.be/zPZdXuEGyUM wasn't a snowgobe tank when first introduced but it was a Christmas event tank, and it could be acquired later on through SNOWGLOBES LIKE YOU SAID

[oak pollen]

Why caernarvon have more DPM than centurion mk1?

[brave juniper]

@brittle badge M60 was a "gift" tank, that people received at random for god knows whatever reason, not a "Christmas tank", since it couldn't be obtained after like 3-4 years since it was given as a gift

[thorny smelt]

Black Prince and FV201 (A45) wants to know your location

[opaque flicker]

Ah yes the 3000 DPM heavy, FV201

[thorny smelt]

Both of them have 3K DPM

[wise moth]

Loyalty issue jajaja

[opaque flicker]

I prefer the FV201, it looks nicer in my opinion

[brittle badge]

In 2018 Christmas, afaik you had to decorate up a Christmas tree with the help of Candy Canes obtained from a side event where you could also get the Pz IV S by securing wins. As we progressed to a new level of the tree we would get lucky draw tickets with which we would participate in a lucky draw to get T-22 Medium and the T95E6.

From 2019 Christmas event onwards, this "snowglobe" concept came into being which, definitely was another form of the previous Christmas lucky draw events, always had a tier X collector heavy tank for the past 3 years, thereby setting up a trend.

Now if we go by THIS trend aforementioned, then accordingly the Strv K will be the anticipated "snowglobe tank" unless WG decides to change its mind.

This is exactly what I was trying to highlight.

[brave juniper]

Ok

[plucky summit]

The exaggerated swagger of a reloading FV4005

[kind galleon]

Hey Does The Spark Extreme Tank Is At Hybrid Nation? I Found Anyone At During Battle Game

[tulip knot]

The spark is the battlepass version of the skoda t25, so it’s European nation

[kind galleon]

European, Is It From Poland?

[violet timber]

It’s based off the Skoda t25, which is Czech

[tough grove]

Hello

[tulip knot]

How did you get community helper?

[plucky summit]

🤷‍♂️

[solid gate]

Well deserved

[subtle lynx]

So strv k

It’s gonna be so terrible

[balmy compass]

how

[subtle lynx]

That’s how @balmy compass

[solid gate]

Armour profile is horrible from what I’ve seen. Those stats make zero sense, I guess they’ll buff it a fair bit before releasing it

[subtle lynx]

Like bro what is that armour, it’s a heavy tank with light tank armour, and slow medium maneuverability

[solid gate]

Yeah, although I’d like to know what pen that’s facing, and also if the turret roof is an auto Rico when hull down

[subtle lynx]

I think that’s a medium

[solid gate]

Yeah, but I’d wanna know before saying exactly how bad it is

[subtle lynx]

I mean, if we basing it of the tier nine strv k in wot pc, when hulldown it’s decent for ap, but gold goes right through it

[wise moth]

For a tier X heavy, it looks pretty garbo

If it were faster, I could see it being a medium, but right now it just looks like a total waste of a top tier heavy slot. Okay DPM, but that’s it

[charred vigil]

it's trying to be a chieftain mk6 but is just worse

actually u know what it's just a worse t95e6

[solid gate]

It is technically a heavy, so camo and view range are bad. It somehow has no armour for a heavy, that’s where it’s like a med. it has the dpm of a heavy, but then the alpha of a med, terrible especially when you consider the armour profile with a fast firing bad dpm gun. It’s speed is like a really slow med, but again it’s got no armour so shouldn’t be slow. It basically gets the worst of both worlds from heavies and meds. Honestly the 30B seems like a way better version of it

[balmy compass]

this is what happens when you combine a heavy hull with a med turret smh

[solid gate]

The hull isn’t even a heavy hull, it’s like a hull down heavy hull (bad) worse than Kran

[subtle lynx]

There no was it don’t get changed in testing

[charred vigil]

If they are going to keep the armor bad they gotta atleast make the mobility medium level because right now it’s garbage

[neon compass]

What Equipment should I choose for is7 pen or gun rammer?

[charred vigil]

Calibrated

[wise moth]

Rammer

[charred vigil]

Naw man it’s better to run Cali ur not going for dpm on is7 anyways

It’s better to have a bit more pen to pen ur shots and it’s gun isn’t too accurate so u can’t easily aim at weak spots to warrant rammer u get better bang for the buck with calibrated

[wise moth]

There’s literally nothing you can pen with cali you can’t already pen with rammer on an IS-7

[opaque flicker]

A way to buff it is actually giving it good upper hull armor and better turret armor, otherwise it shouldn't be recognized as a heavy when being weighed in at 42 tons

[subtle lynx]

Make it a medium and a bit faster

[opaque flicker]

I like the idea of it being a heavy, it has a good design and I like it, but a huge buff would give it the recognition it deserves

[subtle lynx]

I mean that’s what they get for putting a t8 turret on a kran hull

[opaque flicker]

Or atleast move it to tier 9

[charred vigil]

More reliable pen is better than the minuscule dpm increase

[jade wren]

Rammer on literally every single tank smh

[wise moth]

The pen is the same reliability, but you gain nearly 200 DPM.

[charred vigil]

Which is good on paper but practically useless

[jade wren]

Issues penning load gold

[subtle lynx]

Hold on, what’s a t62-A fearless

Or am I tripping and that’s just a Camo

[wise moth]

You lose out on a shockingly large amount of damage because of that slight reload difference. Every game, I usually lose out on one shot of damage because someone just barely slips away

Just try keeping track of it for a few games. Trust me. It’s a lot more often than you realize

And then keep track of how many shots you bounce that would not have penned with rammer. Trust me, that number will be very close to 0 across several games

[jade wren]

Big agree. If you need more pen then either 1) aim at weak spots or 2) load gold or 3) do both. And if 3 doesn’t work then the extra pen probably wouldn’t have helped at all

[charred vigil]

I would only run rammer when i play my is-7 as a medium destroyer while blasing soviet anthem or katyusha. But as a general rule of thumb I run calibrated on heavies with dogshit gun handling and im talking about reliably penning not penning a thicker plate

[violet timber]

It’s not worse than Kran, it’s literally a Kran hull

[charred vigil]

example im facing a e100 it's difficult to pen an angle faced e100 but the small turret ring has a likely pen chance situations like those i would prefer a few mm boost or so to reliably pen that place more often for the gold rounds the 15mm difference u can also feel it

Or im facing a well angled maus the 303 gold rounds will suck ass against the maus's cheek weakspot but 318 may just barely do the job and i'll get more pens even if my shot strays from where im trying to aim

okay heres my question

why does maus gun handling feel so garbage

I've played maus a couple of times recently and my good god why does the gun feel so unreliably horrible

[balmy compass]

it was nerfed a few times before

[wise moth]

Because they nerfed it

[solid gate]

Don’t think so, angling looks different. Have you seen the screenshot? For it to be a Kran hull it would have to be facing like 350 MM pen probably to look like that

[charred vigil]

When i play is7 i feel the gun is perfectly fine but when i play maus the gun feels orders of magnitudes worse and it pisses me off so much, and on paper their gun handlings are very similar

[wise moth]

The fully aimed dispersion is garbage now, and .22 dispersion is pretty horrific

[solid gate]

I like CS on my meds when rammer is more popular, but even though I don’t own the IS 7 I have to agree rammer would be better for it, cause the prammo is so horrible CS won’t let it pen much that it couldn’t pen already, you’re better off with extra dpm

[solid gate]

Interesting, guess I was wrong. So a screenshot I saw is 300 mm pen probably, typical to show a bad armour profile without the pen value lol

[charred vigil]

that's still garbage because pike nose this is peak angle if u angle it more then 1 plate becomes considerably weak, kranvagn makes up for it with a god turret

not to mention the hull is very low to ground so 90% of tanks will be looking down on it making it even weaker

[solid gate]

Yeah, but I mean it’s got a bit of armour, Kran can block. Obviously it’s meant to hull down

[charred vigil]

why's it gotta be a tx collector tank

the turret is still so weak
I think the armor inspector model is broken tho

[solid gate]

Of course, i think it’ll get massive buffs before release

[charred vigil]

the mantlet spaced armor is inside the mantlet so that must be a bug

[violet timber]

They just need to buff either the mobility or dpm a bit

[solid gate]

Yeah, it’s like a really horrible 30b right now. I think they should give it a 5/1 turret but for tier ten

[violet timber]

It does have heavy tank HP which helps

[charred vigil]

actually why am i complaining im glad Another TX collector/premium is not broken,

[solid gate]

Lots of heaviums do, this has no armour or alpha or dpm. @charred vigil we want balanced, not OP not UP

[balmy compass]

sell for gold after 1 battle 👍

[charred vigil]

Right now t95e6 looks like a blantantly superior tank in all aspects compared to strv k

[solid gate]

Yep, same for 30B, and that’s not the best

[violet timber]

I’m only slightly complaining, personally I think it’s kinda fine as is, a skill based tank. Just needs a bit more dpm (buff the alpha to 370 or something, don’t touch reload) or just make it more mobile seeing as it is a Kran hull and centurion turret, both of which aren’t that heavy

[charred vigil]

idk if this is stupid but a fast lightly armored heavy tank with alright dpm might sound fun

A medium/light tank with the drawbacks of a heavy tank but with some benefits of a heavy

[solid gate]

😂 should probably not be classified as a med then. Yeah that second one sounds better

[charred vigil]

what would the combined word be for a light heavy tank

[violet timber]

The benefits (heavy tank HP) far outweigh the detriments (camo and view range)

[charred vigil]

A mobile tank with heavy hp but with heavy dpm but heavy pen but losses on camo and view range and slightly worse gun handling

[solid gate]

Leavy? Hight? Lol

[violet timber]

Basically the E6 lol, which is already super strong

[charred vigil]

thats more of a heavium tho

[violet timber]

That’s what you’re trying to make…

[charred vigil]

im think more on the lines of imagine a batchat with 2.3k hitpoints but with only 2.5k dpm and heavy gun handling but with like 330 premium pen

it sounds a bit interesting in my opinion

sounds interesting enough i should draw some kind of wacky concept of it

Wait it's basically if a sheridan had more hitpoints and had garbage camo and the likes

[swift ruin]

lol if tanks had weight classes

emil 1 is like the lightest heavy tank so what would it be

[violet timber]

Actually D2 is the lightest heavy

[covert canyon]

Hi guys

I used to play this game back in 2020 and Totally forgot about till recently signed back in and I’m on the t85 thingy what should I do or what tech tree is worth my time

[balmy compass]

E 100 and 60TP lines are both great for new players

[opaque flicker]

I'm going E100, and something tells me E75 is better than E100

[violet timber]

Not really

[opaque flicker]

I'm talking about which one is more fun to play, looking at the stats I'd prefer the E75

[violet timber]

Ah yes, because that was abundantly obvious.

[balmy compass]

E75 is probably easier to play then the E 100

[opaque flicker]

Yeah it sure is

[opaque flicker]

Yeah it's a better Tiger II, which is already pretty easy to play, just dont show your sides and dont facehug

[swift ruin]

oh alr mb

[subtle lynx]

Thought it was the grobtraktor

Ig the best way to do well in the 183 is being unspotted

Unhelpful when their Vickers light spots you from a mile away

[foggy spire]

60TP is easier to play since it doesn’t have to angle as much.

[violet timber]

Nope, D2 is lighter

[foggy spire]

Camp bush or you’ll be splattered. The concealment is very bad so you have to camp very far back.

[opaque flicker]

I'd rather go for E100 because I just prefer boxes more than modern looking tanks

[balmy compass]

I’m not sure if the French know how to make tanks

Although their AMX 13 series was pretty good

[solid gate]

Well, you know vickers lost its view range, I think it’s only 260 (t100 lt, wz 121, e 50 M maybe, Stb, T62a(?)) base now (maybe 265, which is Leo 1, I think fv 4202, m48 patton). So vickers spotting you from 320 metres is now a myth, Sheri has that ability now

[bleak ether]

e100 is just annoying to angle

[hollow notch]

If you want braindead point turret and click fire gameplay play a 60tp

[regal bough]

type 71*

[solid gate]

POG i got type 71

[oak pollen]

Why

[charred vigil]

No u must get is-7 it's old but still gold. idc what anyone else think that stuff is fun as hell u can bully meds by just doing nothin

Sure there are braindead tanks like type 71 but it's got no class compared to is-7

is-7 makes u feel invincible especially when u listen to some hype soviet special music, u know what im talking about. Any song they all work charms

[indigo tinsel]

M41 Bulldog is the best tank

[oak pollen]

How about annihilator?

[robust orchid]

M41D:Red Sun in the Sky intensifies

Also, I finally got the WZ-111 5A :0

[blissful hamlet]

Oooh nice,
Also, i suggest running cali, heat pen is bad

[misty wing]

I honestly can't see strv K being remotely good but I love it

[blissful hamlet]

It looks cool

[robust orchid]

I noticed that too, that's why I'm grinding for credits to get calibrated shells, on the other hand, it's such a fun tank to play, I'm surprised I even bounced Obj.263 shots with it

[blissful hamlet]

303 premium pen is sad for a t10 ht

[robust orchid]

Too sad, even the BL-10 has 300mm standard pen with calibrated shells, but it's a TD gun, so it's expected

[low flax]

against a type-71 its really painful. You cant even pen a type-71 from front lower plate

[blissful hamlet]

But not amazing apcr pen when using cali

[oak pollen]

Lucky

[limber berry]

aside from the German HTs what are some heavy tanks good for frontline?

[empty helm]

Leopard 1

[limber berry]

🥶 😳 🤯

[empty helm]

Or bat chat

[kindred wren]

IS-4, IS-7, Type 71, 60TP Lewandowskiego

If you can go hulldown basically every heavy tank

[empty helm]

Bruh they are TDs

[kindred wren]

Oh sorry, I misread

[rare crater]

Isnt it taiwanese tho

[limber berry]

-3000 credit score

[robust orchid]

The M41D is a Chinese variant of the M41 with engine modifications and a turret modification to mount a South Chinese M32K1 gun, what's Taiwan?

[rare crater]

M41D its a taiwanese vehicle in service right now theres 50 of them

[robust orchid]

It's Chinese in origin, those in service with the South Chinese may or may not be M41Ds

[rare crater]

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