vehicles-discussion

[foggy spire]

What tank should I get first? Emil 2, SU-122-54, YOH-5, or the VK 4502 b?

[violet timber]

Emil 2 or Yoh

[signal wedge]

Although, Su has ludicrous dpm, so if you like that...

[foggy spire]

Well I’m getting it for the Obj 263. Is that any good?

[signal wedge]

Yeah, obj 263 is pretty fun. I kept the t9 though.

[fast compass]

263 is meh. 122-54 is a nice tank anyways, best in the line

[signal wedge]

Managed to bring my su-122-54 up to ~4120 dpm. Loved it.

[solid gate]

No, not the highest amount, just what the armour would be if it wasn't angled (for instance the obj 140s frontal hull armour is far stronger than the 90 mm armour shown in the stats, it actually sits around 240 mm

[violet timber]

263 is one of the worse tier 10s right now

[violet timber]

It shows the highest nominal amount, not the highest effective amount

[solid gate]

Ah gotcha, thanks

I thought it was all the same nominal armour basically, just angled differently

[foggy spire]

How come? OBJ 263 is fast, got good armor, and good gun.

[violet timber]

It’s not fast anymore, armor kinda works, gun has horrible accuracy

[solid gate]

It's still fairly fast, it's top speed just took a hit, 45 from 50, and maybe a small acceleration nerf? It's weakness is its horrible accuracy combined with the fact it's armour only works at medium range, short range it's pretty bad, and also its depression is just depressing, won't allow it to hide its lower plate much (tbh its a pretty good lower plate, quite thin)

[violet timber]

12.8 effective p/w on medium terrain. It’s pretty sluggish tbh

[solid gate]

Right, I havent really looked at the terrain resistance much tbh, only at the on paper power to weight which is quite good, around 15 which is like the waffle

[brave juniper]

No for real, it actually highlights the highest "base value" of armor not accounting angles or anything like that, otherwise is4's front would be an AP joke, armor inspect a tank, look for the displayed value in garage click that part then everything else around it, you will see that's it's either the highest value part or the only piece of armor covering x zone, although not a lot of tanks have just one plate covering the front/sides/rear entirely that displays the armor value in the garage

[solid gate]

Yeah, thanks, I had thought you meant highest amount of effective armour

[foggy spire]

Isn’t it the yolo wagon though?

[solid gate]

Well, it was, and yeah it's like an e 50 m that way, it's good at rushing, it's playstyle hasn't changed it just needs buffing so it can be more effective in it's role (also even tanks that are good at rushing don't rush most of the time, it's rare to find a safe time to rush, so a tank needs to be good even when not rushing)

[hollow belfry]

I dunno about that really

[fast compass]

It was always a misleading title

[hollow belfry]

The armor isn't that good at close range and that engine deck will screw you up if you try to facehug anything

[bronze latch]

How should I play the obj 268/4

[void palm]

Hey, I'm new to the game and I was looking at tanks and I like heavy tanks.. Any thoughts on the dangerous duo pack? For 15 k gold?

[bronze latch]

What tanks are in it

I found it

[void palm]

T54 E2 and AMX M4

[bronze latch]

Yeah I don’t know I haven’t gotten it but the t54 I have heard is good but the amx I’m not sure about

[fast compass]

Amx is a nice tank. Certainly not very competitive tier 8. Shark is one of the best tier 8 premiums. Idk if it's worth spending 15k on them tho

[hollow belfry]

Probably better to buy the T54E2 alone for 8.5k

[viscid lintel]

is the is 4 still a good tank ?

[hollow belfry]

It is

[night ridge]

What is your Favorite tank when it comes to buffed

[viscid lintel]

How do you play it? Where is the shield? Because when I play it, I take so much damage

[foggy spire]

Is Kranvagen a good tank?

[hollow belfry]

The following applies to most heavies

[plucky summit]

They even buffed IS-4s sides 💀

[hollow belfry]

True😔 can't splash it for 500+ with 15cm HE when sidescraping anymore

@viscid lintel basically just use your strong turret and hide the lower plate, be mindful that on flat ground high pen TDs can go through your upper plate and same goes for heavy prammo

[plucky summit]

I remember pre-buff when I penned it with BC while they sidescraped and they called me a hacker 😂

[hollow belfry]

Feeling of superiority when the reds call you a hacker

[foggy spire]

Is Kranvagen a good tank?

[plucky summit]

It’s not my fault the Churchill I reloaded in 1.7 seconds 🤷‍♂️

[foggy spire]

Kranvagen vs Yoh-6?

[plucky summit]

I’d believe 6 to be more competent

[foggy spire]

Hmm…better gun?

[plucky summit]

Absolutely

[foggy spire]

Doesn’t Kran have better armor though?

[plucky summit]

Yeah, at the cost of DPM, mobility, and even then, a better hull

Even if the lower plate is bigger and easier to hit with the track connectors nerfed, the taller profile of the hull allows the 6 to comfortably expose it because it’s still rather tough, which allows more gun depression on certain terrain

[foggy spire]

Hmm…

[barren light]

Is4 post buff 9.1 is nice

[surreal crest]

when they put the minotauro?

[hot ingot]

definitive, the amx isnt realy that strong and in my opinion not worth it

[proper zealot]

It may be possible to place spaced rmor/buff on some German tanks, for example:Pz 5/4, Pz 4,stug 3 g, panther, Pz 3, Jg Pz 4? 🥺

[violet timber]

They don’t need an armor buff

[fallen heron]

How come the depression is depressing if its got none at all

[glad flax]

Tiger 1 or Porsche Tiger/Tiger (P)?

[misty wing]

I've rarely ever splashed something for 400, let alone 500

[plucky summit]

Only when I fail to fit the amor of light tanks 🥲
But that's with 183, so your point stands

[lyric copper]

both lead to superheavy tanks

Tiger 1 is easier and has the easier line too

[foggy spire]

What T9 should I get first? Conqueror, ST-1, Kranvagen, SU-122-54, or Centurion 7/1?

[plucky summit]

It really depends what tier 10 you want 🙃

But Centurion is decently fitting of an all-purpose medium, so learning that playstyle some more wouldn't hurt

[foggy spire]

Eh…hulldown monster is my style.

[plucky summit]

Well, then Kranvagn would be of your preference
So Emil II, then

It's good to know that you shouldn't rely on that turret in tier 10, but you should be fine against 8s and tier 9 lights/mediums

[foggy spire]

Emil 2 turret is weak against heavies/TDs so you are correct.

[balmy compass]

Brownie

[ancient iron]

so... I always see people playing the M4/FL10... but how IS it as a tank? also screw it they're bundled rn so while we're at it, how is the Lansen?

[balmy compass]

For the M4/FL10, if you are questioning if it was a tank irl or how it even works, WG likes to make fictional tanks become real, like the T-100 LT shouldn’t have any space for both the crew and the gun in the turret to reload so fast, or just look at all the Halloween tanks

The Lansen is a neat tank, not very strong compared to the meta, I think it’s alot like the M4 Rev (French Sherman) but Swedish and armor that can he HE’d easily
Although I think the Moose camo looks cool

[violet timber]

The M4/FL10 is a real tank, used by the Israeli army.

[balmy compass]

Well I didn’t know that, honestly thought it was some weird concoction WG made up by slapping together a Sherman hull and AMX turret together

[violet timber]

Most tanks in the game have at least some historical background to them

[balmy compass]

looks at Halloween tanks

[violet timber]

That’s why I said most

[cunning idol]

Area damage with 75mm

[ancient iron]

so.. FL10.... is it fun or ?

[violet timber]

It is, just because the clip unload time is so fast

[tacit forum]

Is it just me or panther II has no frontal armor

[balmy compass]

it has frontal armor but nearly everything at its tier can penetrate it

[dire kelp]

bro this aint clash royale

[ancient iron]

tempted to give up on the british heavy line... the churchill VII is kinda meh and probably the best tier for tier of it and above .-.

[violet timber]

It’s really not

Church VII is meh, BP is arguably OP, Caern is very strong, Conq is good, though not the best of the line, and the 215B with the recent buff is rather nice

[hollow notch]

Conq is the sweet spot

[violet timber]

Really? Honestly been a while since I played it

[hollow notch]

170mm HE has a lot more uses in tier 8/9 than tier 10

[violet timber]

Oh shoot, forgot it got the pen buff as well

[hollow notch]

:)

[violet timber]

All in all though, the Church 7 is definitely not the best of the line

[hollow notch]

I can't get a match below tier 4 without waiting 5 minutes, so those are definitely worse

[ancient iron]

so.... the British lights... they are basically just... better than their medium counterparts right?

[hollow notch]

Except tier 10 yea

[ancient iron]

so... my brother is having a hard time with the Jagdtiger... he's not the best player ever (46.77% lifetime wr, 1864 battles played, 509 avg damage) I only have up to Jpanther II... so I don't know enough about the Jagdtiger to help him... and like... I told him once to angle his armor in a tank and he got frustrated by not understanding what I mean.... so with all that in mind... anyone have any tips for him that are so simplified as to make it easy to understand?

[balmy compass]

do your best to hide the lower plate, the upper plate is actually quite strong

[oak pollen]

What I should get first?
At8 or junu

[hollow moth]

Actually it's an Egyptian vehicle...

[sleek apex]

Egyptian, Israel used M-50/M-51 Super Shermans (pre-modification version ingame as m4a1 Revalroisé)

[solid gate]

https://tenor.com/view/lou-reed-paradox-paradoxical-interview-gif-17193862

[ancient iron]

which tank has the most gun depression in the game?

[solid gate]

D. Max and Sturer Emil, both have 15 degrees of depression, next would the bromwell with 13, and the Matilda bp has 13 I think, then Comet and a few others with 12

[tepid stump]

Isn't there a tank with like -20 degrees gun elevation?

[solid gate]

No, 15 degrees is the most

[oak pollen]

No. the most is 18

[tepid stump]

The funny lookin collector right?

[oak pollen]

No Its researchable tank
B1 with stock gun

[tepid stump]

damn now I gotta check

yep

[violet timber]

M2 Medium

[tepid stump]

yeah I think it's that one

[ancient iron]

the t5 europe tree also has 15

[oak pollen]

Yea forgot

[hollow notch]

Never forgor

[solid gate]

Hi

[thorny smelt]

Strv m/42 also has 15 degrees of gun depression

[plucky summit]

Sir_Vanscoy mentioned it

[thorny smelt]

Well I specified it even though it's the only tier 5 in EU tech tree

[plucky summit]

💀

Either way, funny M2 Medium takes the cake, the elevation is also pretty bonkers, 40 degrees

Unfortunately those combined is just Großtrakktor’s gun elevation

[violet timber]

Old toaster elevation 💀

[solid gate]

Oh thanks for all the info guys, looks like I was very wrong, so the description of the D. Max is false advertising lol, I didn’t know any tanks had above 15, also waffle 460 alpha gun has 45 degrees of elevation, pretty insane

[thorny smelt]

Toaster has 90 IRL. It is used as an anti-aircraft tank

[solid gate]

Yep

[foggy spire]

Crazy idea: Give the Death Star 275mn of HESH pen and 1750 HESH alpha to piss off the heavies.

[thorny smelt]

No

[solid gate]

They’re already miffed about it, it’s not a good or necessary buff IMO, also not sure if what you said is allowed btw so maybe edit it

[foggy spire]

That’s the OG Death Star gun stats.

[solid gate]

Yeah, I still don’t think that’s a great idea though : D

[foggy spire]

I mean, imagine penning an IS4 frontally.

[plucky summit]

I mean

Same guy who thought 750 alpha in tier 8 is at least a decent idea

On a turreted tank destroyer.

[thorny smelt]

Weirdly enough, HEAT has better pen than HESH

[plucky summit]

HEAT only has the advantage of not blowing up immediately when hitting spaced armor or an eternal module, but they might as well be equal since it dies against those most of the time

[solid gate]

I think you can? If is 4 is flat or above you and straight on then 243 mm pen should go through the lower plate (with CS)

[foggy spire]

Cali buffed HESH would have 300+mm of pen.

[plucky summit]

Well hey, at least you said the idea was crazy, at least.

CS HESH with 275mm of pen will have about 303mm of pen
It's 302.5mm but I think WG rounds up

[solid gate]

You said imagine going through the is 4 frontal armour, I’m saying no need to imagine

[foggy spire]

Then it can finally colonize the weak tanks…And with 2 penetrating HESH shells do 3.5K damage.

[plucky summit]

Note that you have an even chance of penetrating the lower plate with CS HESH at this angle

Now while I'd love to stick around and talk about it, someone is expecting me in the morning. I shall go, so good day/night

[solid gate]

Even chance? So 50/50? No one wants to fire hesh with that low chance

[plucky summit]

And yet they'll try to HESH a moving target 200m away, which offers even less of a chance.

🤷‍♂️

[solid gate]

Good evening for and to you : D

[plucky summit]

👋

[solid gate]

It’s like crates, there’s a 5% drop chance of hitting and dealing 1300+ damage, it’s addictive 😂

[plucky summit]

Yup

[foggy spire]

With 300+mm of HESH pen, it’s possible.

[solid gate]

He just said he’d love to talk about it but has to go 🙂

[foggy spire]

Hmph…Still think they need to buff the HESH pen and damage since everything else about the tank sucks. Worse in class dispersion and camo. Poor armor that can’t bounce stuff at all.

[solid gate]

And the highest alpha in game that can one shot tier nines and can nearly do so to tier tens, its the price it pays for having broken alpha, it’s never gonna be a great tank, it’s fine to play though

[foggy spire]

It’s not really. It’s very hard to get more than 1-2 shells before the enemy wants to kill you. At least make those few shells more impactful.

[solid gate]

Well, they can quite literally be game changing, due to the fact it hits all at once and suddenly, and anyway that’s your problem if you can only get 2 shots off, learn to play it better it’s possible

[foggy spire]

I mean, finally deleting T10 lights in one shot and possibly one shorting T10 mediums with a high roll is a funny thought.

[solid gate]

Funny for one side 💀

[foggy spire]

Imagine how many laughs one can have while doing 1750 alpha in one shot. It would be fun.

[opaque flicker]

I got the Defender Mk.1 from a crate, it's a very fun and high maneuverable tank, anything I should I know when playing?

[foggy spire]

Only show your turret since your hull isn’t the best. Also try to go hulldown to maximize your armor.

[opaque flicker]

I noticed the first round I played in, I did nearly 4k damage, more than 2nd place on my team and more than first place on the enemy team, I'm assuming it has really good DPM for a magazine?

[foggy spire]

It had okay DPM. Nothing special, but the autoloader makes it able to get a lot of damage out quickly.

[opaque flicker]

I also noticed the penatration is able to hit the side of a tiger II at a 45 degree angle

[foggy spire]

It has the best pen of a Tier 8 medium. 226mm of standard pen.

[opaque flicker]

What's the most powerful defender? Is it the IS-6?

[foggy spire]

You mean the IS-3 defender? Anyways, it depends. It’s either the t28 defender or the defender mk 1.

[opaque flicker]

Oh yeah sorry, forgot its name because it's not very common to see, and yeah I've died to a T28 Defender many times, that armor profile is amazing on that tank when facing towards the front

[foggy spire]

Yes. It also has a 3 shell autoloader with 400 alpha. Plus it has amazing pen at 248mm of standard pen.

[opaque flicker]

Oh I noticed something, it has less pen than the T28 Prototype? Or at least when I had it, I had 260 pen

Oh wait, I forgot about the AMX defender, what is it like? I've never seen it

[foggy spire]

NVM. 225 pen with T28 defender. Also AMX defender isn’t worth it. Just get the standard AMX 13 90.

[opaque flicker]

I suspected that, I'm assuming the AMX defender is just a fancier premium 13 90?

[foggy spire]

No. It has a smaller gun so it needs more shots to do the same damage.

[opaque flicker]

Alright thanks, you're the first helpful person I've seen here

[foggy spire]

No problem. Just being nice!

[violet timber]

Actually the AMX defender is quite good. More pen, better mobility, and better armor, than the 13 90, though it does pay for it with less alpha

[foggy spire]

Yeah, but it is quite pointless since it really isn’t as unique as the other defenders.

[violet timber]

I wouldn't say it's pointless. It's more so just a different, but equalish counterpart to the 13 90, which is how premiums should be imo

[foggy spire]

How is this a mastery? Not complaining though!

[solid gate]

I don’t think so, I would say mk 1 then IS 3D, it’s got 7 degrees depression with a great turret, even though the gun has a horrible reload time and intershell reload time it’s not to be underestimated, it’s a very good tank, it’s got all the perks of the is 3 but the ability to hull down added

[oak pollen]

In my opinion. It's def mk1 second place is T28 def third is amx def and last is3
(This is my opinion)

[lilac mica]

Yeah MK1 is first place, T28 2nd, IS-3 third and last would be AMX imo

[thorny smelt]

Like I said, only a handful of players have this tank

[fleet berry]

abu_nimr919#2669 has been warned.

[night ridge]

I got T28 But man it's damn slow

[lyric oriole]

It's a heavily armored assault tank, what did you expect

[night ridge]

Well Does upgrade makes the tank fast and do more damage

[lyric oriole]

It never becomes fast

But the top gun is pretty good

[night ridge]

Ok

[plucky summit]

@sick spoke well, you see, the alpha mimics the AMX M4 mle. 54. It may seem a little too mobile for the armor, but in the end, it’s a rear-mounted tank destroyer that has shameful DPM for its damage per shot

[crisp warren]

Hey uhh when italian tank destroyer will be add in tech tree?

[lyric oriole]

Probably not for a couple patches

[plucky summit]

Due to the nature of game development, you won’t know until several days before the update 🤷‍♂️

Also @empty helm I’d just like to let you know that the DPM and rate of fire for your Swedish tank are slightly off

6.08 rounds per minute and 1,946 DPM

[night ridge]

T28 Prot. Is actually Short meaning of T28 Prototype! I found the name from World Of Wartanks

[tepid stump]

what else would it stand for though 💀

[plucky summit]

And contrary to common usage, St. Emil does NOT mean Saint Emil 💀

[tepid stump]

That's what I used to think 💀💀💀

now it's just a nickname I have for it

[pure bramble]

Did you really think t28 fast

[limber berry]

How do I play the Tiger 2

[night ridge]

I thought it would be slightly fast you know like t1 heavy or M6

[balmy compass]

I used to think that was what it ment 😂💀

[night ridge]

Turning radius is also slow which is why i am loosing Silver coins but overall good tank

[empty helm]

I'm not a math person

[plucky summit]

It's okay, you can ask me™ x-x

[empty helm]

But ty for the correction

[plucky summit]

👍👍

[oak pollen]

Too slow when look at armor you get in return

Just angle the tank properly and most of the shot will bounce your armor

[coarse turret]

Same lol

[deep timber]

Which line to grind first?

[balmy compass]

get the IS-7 (though IS-8)

[empty helm]

Just skip is-8

[deep timber]

I mean with the boosters, also I can’t skip is8 I don’t have THAT much free xp

[slate coyote]

It’s been nerfed into the ground

[balmy compass]

IS-7 is still a good tank

[slate coyote]

It gets out classed by the E100 that’s been buffed and the type 71

[deep timber]

Should I grind the Japanese hvies then?

[strange thicket]

lmfao what?
is-7
nerfed into the ground
??? are you playing the same game as all of us?

[slate coyote]

Erm yeah let’s see the type has the strongest upper plate bar the E100 and very mobile for a heavy whilst the E100 had its turret buffed.
The IS7 has had its top speed and horse power nerfed which now makes it effectively a worse 113. The armour is a gold shell magnet and anyone with Half a brain is penning it easily even without cali shells

The IS7 is nowhere near what it was

[slate coyote]

Honestly if you like meds/lights then the obj 140 T62A or the T100 LT are all solid choices

If you like auto loaders then the T57 heavy

Or for a basic heavy go for the type 71

The E100 requires a little more skill to use it’s armour effectively

[balmy compass]

ah yes E 100 is very mobile

[empty helm]

The whole e-100 line (except e-100) require little tiny skill

[deep timber]

I have 62 a and am grinding t100lt

[strange thicket]

you definitely don't know what you are talking about

[slate coyote]

Alright this I gotta hear

If you’re about to say the IS7 is better than the type ur just wrong

[slate coyote]

Didn’t say that I said the type is mobile for a heavy

[balmy compass]

"the E 100 is very mobile for a heavy"

[slate coyote]

I said the type has the strongest upper plate bar the E100 and is mobile for a heavy

[strange thicket]

IS7 has a better upperplate than both of these tanks
it is literally 360/340 flat ground 💀 you need IS4 heat to go through it
it is literally just a drive forward tank
and if you use gun depression, boom your upper plate is no longer penetrable
the only way you can get penned if you are using your gun dep and hiding your lower plate is a tiny weak spot around the gun mantlet that is very hard to hit. and you also need prammo for it.
top speed was nerfed, by 5kms.
and it got a turn rate buff
if anything it remains largely unchanged from the OP IS7 once it was buffed
only difference now is that other tier 10s are viable too. but IS7 is still easily top 5.
E100 is not even half as mobile as the IS7, armor is riddled with weakspots to shoot at and you gotta actually use your brain to make the armor work.
the traverse buff was nice and made the tank strong. it is still not better than the IS7
Type 71 is ez pen to prammo
113 has always been a dpm machine. it doesn't even play like the IS7 but okay
"armor is a gold shell magnet", you don't know what that means or you actually don't know the armor values of the is7

[deep timber]

Dang someone just wrote an essay over a tank argument

[slate coyote]

You’re correct in saying the IS7 has a better upper plate than the type ONLY when you’re facing it directly cos of the pike nose front

[strange thicket]

why tf would you angle an is7?

[slate coyote]

You move a couple meters either side of it and it’s easily pennable you can’t do that to the type the type when it’s hulldown is possibly only beaten by the concept

[strange thicket]

the type has more weakspots when it is hulldown than the is7 and has 6 degrees of gun dep
like the is7
💀
what makes the type broken is the equipment mobility

[slate coyote]

You can’t expect everyone to shoot you from the front if you did then yes the IS7 is busted but people move around so if they’ll move to one side if they have half a brain

[strange thicket]

bro all you have to do in an is7 is drive forward
and look at enemy
2 things
and that is base stats without some equipment that makes your already subpar hulldown abilities even worse (type 71)
or a big fat lower plate and half the mobility and a largely weaker turret(E100)

[slate coyote]

The IS7 has a huge lower plate lmao

[strange thicket]

you talk about half brain tactics? just press 2 when you are facing a type lmao

[strange thicket]

ah yes it is definitely as big as an E100 and not easily hidden
my bad og 💀

and you expect the IS7 to not be able to follow your movements as you try to deangle its front?
you are trying to move and getting worse accuracy while all the is7 gotta do is turn and focus on shooting you
you are the losing party here

[slate coyote]

You’re completely forgetting that you have 6 other teammates if one guy moves to force the IS to move then you’ve got others that will shoot it

[strange thicket]

apply the same argument to the type 71 and e100

[slate coyote]

There’s literally no argument where you can say that overall the IS7 is better than the type like literally none at all otherwise it would be used in CW but it’s not the type is

The reason it’s used is cos the type 71 is just much better it’s got the mobility the frontal armour it has the ability to side scrape and it’s got decent dpm

The IS doesn’t have the armour or the mobility when playing against decent players and the gold pen on the IS 7 sucks like really really bad

[strange thicket]

the is7 ain't gotta move
the is7 can pick one spot and hold it while being largely impenetrable to enemy fire
and if it uses gun depression then great, good luck penning it 💀
also Type 71 is used for the
hear that
Mobility
you know what ya gotta do to pen a type 71?
press 2

oh yeah did i forgot to mention the type got a comparably trash gun

[slate coyote]

This description of the IS7 just shows that you don’t go against decent players clearly. The ONLY tank that’s unoennable in a certain spot is the concept. You load gold shells with cali and you can go through the upper part of the front plate of the IS7 even when it’s facing you

[strange thicket]

like low alpha, low dpm
pen is aight i guess
IS7 doesn't have pen issues
with the armor and mobility it has the pen is alright
it is like the only draw back the tank has bro 💀

[slate coyote]

Have you seen the IS7 gold pen? It’s the worst of all heavies at tier 10 so saying it doesn’t have pen issues it just wrong lmao

[strange thicket]

you wanna bet you don't know what you are saying?
because i literally showed you a screen shot where the front plate is at least 350mm+
you need cali IS4 heat for that

[slate coyote]

I’ll take you into a room rn and show you

[strange thicket]

only people who have pen issues with the is7(which is the only drawback it has) are people with skill issues.
the pen is workable

[slate coyote]

Below the turret and above the pike nose to the upper right or left there’s 2 weak spots where gold shells pen even if it’s only slightly less red the weak spot is bigger than it looks

[strange thicket]

also ^

[slate coyote]

The type 71 now is comparable to the E5 when it was good

[strange thicket]

you mean the turret ring?
or the really really small weakspot on its cheek?
good luck hitting that
with a type you got a cupola
cheeks
weak upper plate to prammo

[slate coyote]

The cheeks of the pike nose not the turret and it’s easily hitable like it’s bigger than it looks

[strange thicket]

what makes a type 71 broken is the mobility equipment
literally no one in CW uses it with the gun depression equipment

[slate coyote]

Ever played it on Normandy? Or another hilly map? Yeah it’s used then

[strange thicket]

weakest part of the pike nose

[slate coyote]

That’s not accurate I’ll take you into a room and show u

[strange thicket]

you, do not know what you are talking about yup
ask any pro player what makes the type 71 broken

[strange thicket]

it is accurate?
it is literally wotinspector
anyone who wants to check armor values uses that or blitz hangar bruh

[slate coyote]

I play in a CW team lmao gun depression is used on Normandy and in specific spots on other maps

[strange thicket]

why would you play the type 71 with its horrendous dpm and low alpha then while you clearly have better choices ?

[slate coyote]

Like Middelburg for example on south spawn go up the hill there’s a spot behind a secondary hill with a bush on it go use gun depression on that and it’s easy farms

[slate coyote]

Cos the type 71 is the best tank hands down for rushing or for holding positions. It’s flexible and it’s fast and it’s dpm isn’t actually that bad it’s just the same as the old E5

Ok name a better choice then

[strange thicket]

wh
without the mobility equipment it by no means is fast
and if you use the mobility equipment it is literally only 6 degrees of gun depresson
you literally just agreed to my point?

[slate coyote]

My days

Try using for example 5 types and 2 fv215Bs on alpenstadt.

The type doesn’t have a weak lower plate and if it does it’s a small sliver whilst the IS7 has a big lower plate. The turret of the IS7 is better fair enough but the types gun is better. The Is 7 has better alpha not sure about the dpm but it lacks penetration. If you don’t pen shots having high dpm is useless especially when facing types upper plate and using gold becomes necessary since the IS7 has bad gold pen the type is better there.
The type has better mobility and turning speed which means taking local positions is easier and quicker so you don’t bleed as much as you would with an IS7

[strange thicket]

if you ain't using the mobility equipment on the type 71(what makes it OP)
might as well play the E5 💀 💀 💀
better gun handling
same dpm
comparable base mobility

[slate coyote]

Forgetting the type has an op upper plate?

[strange thicket]

so you do agree the type's mobility equipment is what makes the tank OP yes?

you said hulldown homie
what
i thought we were talking about gun depression usage here, my bad then i guess lmao

[slate coyote]

Equipping the mobility makes it very strong yes but it’s not suited to 100% of all positions maybe like 95%

As I mentioned about Normandy and Middelburg hill

[strange thicket]

so then
why use the gun depression equipment when it makes the tank slow and have mediocre hulldown abilities
the upperplate is only good with the mobility equipment

[slate coyote]

Mediocre hull down abilities? I can’t agree with that it’s very strong hill down with 9 degrees of gun depression the upper plate becomes unpennable at that angle and the hatch is small all you have to do is wiggle the turret to gun block for the cheeks

[strange thicket]

so op i am scared
that is against heat btw
that means an is7 with prammo can go through
so unless you use the mobility equipment(so you can wiggle)
you are dead

[strange thicket]

you do realize at that point it is slower than the IS7 right? and with a worse gun too

[slate coyote]

That pic doesn’t show what it’s like when it’s looking down at you that’s situational when it’s looking down at you the hull is unnpennable

It doesn’t have a worse gun at all pen values are much more important than small differences in dpm and the IS7 pen is awful for a heavy

[strange thicket]

so which is it
are you gonna use the mobility equipment which is what makes it OP
or are you gonna use the gun dep mobility and keep the mediocre stats it has in literally everything
IS7 pen is alright
gun handling is literally comparable between both
and IS7 has the better alpha

[slate coyote]

As I said in the vast majority of positions you take speed you only take gun depression if you have a specific spot you want to hold or if it’s a very hilly map

[strange thicket]

the cheeks and the hatch are pretty big btw, and if we are talking about pros?
the it is an ez pen

[slate coyote]

I play in a cw team I can tell you from experience so can someone from like APA the hatch is not easy to hit at all

[strange thicket]

so then, use the E5 cuz that literally has better hulldown capabilities

[slate coyote]

Oh my lord you take the type cos the armour is better on the hull it’s not as if it will stay hulldown for the entire game it will need to brawl with its team which the type is better than the E5 for

[strange thicket]

if you brawl with a type without its mobility equipment the enemy team can just dab the 2 key and butter through your hull?

[slate coyote]

Forgetting you have teammates it’s called shielding and HP sharing

[strange thicket]

so then if you want a brawl tank use the IS7?
what kind of CW are we talking cuz when i look at pro play and see a type, it must have the mobility equipment

in any case, this is sucking too much of my energy.
if you are still unconvinced, that is alright 👍.
sorry for being a bit too aggressive without my arguing. have a good day.

[balmy compass]

who uses HP sharing in pubs

[strange thicket]

he is talking CW

[violet timber]

Get the IS-7. Pretty solid tank, and the IS-8 is pretty solid as well, just gotta stay hulldown with it

[glossy finch]

Which isn't hard if you know what ur doing.

[halcyon pawn]

Just unlocked the Mäuschen, anything i gotta know about the little fella?

[balmy compass]

turret and side armor sucks

[loud arch]

just got the jageroo, is burning games fun in it?

[lyric oriole]

Eh

Not particularly

It's a bit too slow for burning games

[solid gate]

@strange thicket u think type is op jesus

[strange thicket]

wrong ping pal

[modern rivet]

You legit said it it’s the right ping

[solid gate]

@strange thicket idc bruv

[strange thicket]

sigma male grindset

[solid gate]

Nah u think type is op

[strange thicket]

oh yeah
you are right, what are you gonna do about it? 💀

[solid gate]

Ur mum

[modern rivet]

Help my friend with his point

[solid gate]

He wants all the smoke

[strange thicket]

oh right i see.
my bad og.

[foggy spire]

Should I get Kran, Yoh-6, or Obj 263?

[rain shoal]

Yoh

[fleet berry]

Mqps#4845 has been warned.

[balmy compass]

Kran and Yoh are pretty good, personally I like the Yoh alot more, but the Obj. 263 is pretty bad rn since it got nerfed in 9.1

[wanton marlin]

When will wg add this

[small flume]

Hey babes

[slate coyote]

Tf do u want welshy lil spoon

[wanton marlin]

Wg explain

[small flume]

Be careful that’s a naughty word it’s censored ingame

[slate coyote]

Dunno why it is describes u perfectly

[small flume]

No u

[urban pewter]

60tp good?

[violet timber]

Yes

[slate coyote]

Good at defending positions not so much pushing them

[plucky summit]

You should look under Action X’s turret 😏

[obsidian mirage]

Sheridan but Germans

[foggy hull]

Any EU toon?

[wheat mulch]

Amateur..

[plucky summit]

I’m noticing a lack of effective thickness

[wheat mulch]

I posted this on Reddit a long time ago, but like a day later someone found a Obj 252U with 200,000 of effective

[wanton marlin]

That’s angled amor. The tortoise has 400 mm of standard flat amor amor. Plus this is the ture unpannable tonk

[empty helm]

It's weird to see pink spaced armor

[wheat mulch]

Well the Lycan has its Halloween ability, which makes its internal modules invincible.

How WG did this, is they surrounded each module with 999mm box.

[plucky summit]

Spaced armor is normally pink 🤨

@wheat mulch 400mm box

[empty helm]

I only see purple

[wanton marlin]

Amateur…

[wheat mulch]

Fine

[wheat mulch]

Skill Issue

[balmy compass]

Pink spaced armor (not thick spaced armor)

[small flume]

Onw lol

[empty helm]

Thin spaced armor

[plucky summit]

Ok

[balmy compass]

Should’ve used this as an example xd

[wheat mulch]

Wha… how..

[plucky summit]

Oh, I thought you had a counter =<

[balmy compass]

Meanwhile thick spaced armor

[small flume]

Hmmm

[plucky summit]

Here, I'll try to outdo myself, that image was from an old meme I made anyways ^-^

[balmy compass]

Oh wait the mantlet has 40mm more thickness then the track cover 💀

[small flume]

What’s the app called again?

[plucky summit]

wotinspector

[balmy compass]

Armorinspector

[plucky summit]

Seems I've done it chaps, time to try and shoot higher

[worn dawn]

What the heck is this

[wanton marlin]

ok

[balmy compass]

“Buff Ho-Ri pen to penetrate pls”

[plucky summit]

That's cool and all

[worn dawn]

Okay what type of magic is this

[wheat mulch]

dying from laughter

[balmy compass]

Incredibly precise aim

[plucky summit]

I suggest you stop trying, W0lf_5trike

[balmy compass]

More precise then Leo 1 with reticle calibrator

[plucky summit]

I've hit the millions =)

[wanton marlin]

XDD

[wanton marlin]

Auto Ricochet tho so dosnt found anyways XD

[plucky summit]

Yeah 🤷‍♂️

Well, I shall be going to sleep, lemme know if you wanna hear fun facts about Blitz, try out the tank guessing game, or even to request a tank combo x-x

Good night, I'll get back to it in the morning

[wanton marlin]

That is a mere suggestion. Anyways good night m8

[hollow moth]

Which one of those tanks you'd like to have but didn't have the chance to get??

T28 HTC 🇺🇸
Strv 74a2 🇸🇪
Helsing
Type 64 🇨🇳
Emil 1951 🇸🇪
Fcm 50t 🇫🇷
M6A2E1 EXP 🇺🇸
Type 62 🇨🇳
T-34-85 Rudy
P.43/06 Ann. 🇮🇹
M4/FL10 🇪🇬
Wz blaze
Fv 201 (A45) 🇬🇧
Y5 series

[bleak ether]

type 64

[hollow moth]

Why?

[balmy compass]

No German tanks 😭

But I haven’t played very long and only thing I see is Strv 74a2

[bleak ether]

because uh, yes

[hollow moth]

Mostly because my rarest german tank is actually just an uncommon vehicle that not much people play nowadays; E25

[balmy compass]

I have that one

I bought it when it came in a bundle for $10 xd, it’s a fun little tank

[hollow moth]

I've bought it on 2018 with Lowe, sold it afterwards cause I dislike DPM TDs

[bronze latch]

I loved the covenator I had it when it was made a collector and it was so much fun

[sleek apex]

Not on the list but Charles

[rigid rover]

helsing bro

[glossy finch]

Emil 1951.

[oak pollen]

Y5
But at least I have T28 Defender
(From Blitz hangar 18 information, those Y5 tank is Defender)

[nova birch]

Is is3 a good tank or should i grind for another tier 8 ?

[oak pollen]

Not good in my opinion
The hull armor is quite bad and it can't angle

[violet timber]

The simple answer is to just not show your hull. The IS-3 has arguably the strongest turret at tier 8, use it.

[hollow notch]

It's not an arguable statement.

[oak pollen]

Very hard when have 5° gun depression

And obj252u just seem better at every side

[hollow notch]

Yes, it's hard to use, but find a dead IS-X tank and you are immortal

[empty helm]

Isn't the is-10 and the t-10?

[hollow belfry]

Not really, the 252u is noticeably more sluggish, has a worse turret, doesn’t really have a better gun and while it has a better upper hull and sides, the lower plate is both gigantic and very weak

[nova birch]

So what's a better tier 8 Soviet tank?

[empty helm]

Tech tree or prem

[nova birch]

Tech tree bc me f2p

[empty helm]

Is-3
Hulldown meta/10

[nova birch]

Bruh

[civic charm]

wz blaze

[frail dagger]

The blaze is great, great camo, good dmg, pretty ok accuracy, meh armour but it got dem weird angles and mobility with a turret is splendid

[oblique storm]

Helsing

[thorny smelt]

Emil 1951

[oak pollen]

obj252u, kv5, isu152
For me

[oak pollen]

Really?
Why it seem like tomato

[dusky osprey]

Seriously? He literally said the LoWeR plate was weak
And see those orange spots on the turret front? See the yellow hatches? U don't get that on is3

[oak pollen]

He say turret is worst

[thorny smelt]

You need a good aim at those hatches

[dusky osprey]

Apparently u didn't even read what I said so I'll quit while I'm ahead

[oak pollen]

You Amy true at this, but see the picture. It was t9 aim at obj252u

I think I should compare the armor of both of the tank

[late thistle]

Tips for T54E1?

[empty helm]

Hulldown and that's all

Replace e4 cupola with t95 cupola and nerf its turret armor

[copper swan]

use your speed to get into a position, penetrate 3 shells in your magazine while trying not to get hit, then hide in cover to reload
rinse and repeat

[solid gate]

I bought amx14t 75mm what do you think about this tank?

[empty helm]

Looks ugly

[hollow belfry]

’’a t9’’ doesn’t tell much about how the armor will actually fare. You could either be facing a T-54 with barely 200mm of pen or a TD with almost 300mm

The 252u still has a worse turret, sure you can argue that at range the hatches are hard to hit, but then at the same distance the 252u will likely have to sit still for quite a while to even hit at all

[lilac mica]

Type 62, Helsing

[copper swan]

amx 14t doesn't exist

[lilac mica]

Lmao

[solid gate]

What's ASTRON Rex?

[solid gate]

Sheridan Missile.

[oak pollen]

At least it's quite good as is3

Because I'm comparing it with is3

[hollow belfry]

You said above it's better in every aspect which is quite inexact

[civic charm]

i hate that thing

[past crane]

Tier 8 medium. Great clip damage (3x290) and decent armor, but poor mobility.

[oak pollen]

Fine if you guy think is3 is somehow kinda better than obj252u

[tepid stump]

Think they meant as in fighting the 252U

[thorny smelt]

A tier 8, American clipper medium tank

[empty helm]

The cannon look weird

[civic charm]

no, 252 has better hull armour

[solid gate]

Also poor reload time.

[thorny smelt]

Why?

[oak pollen]

Oh

[past crane]

And very ehh pen and handling. @acoustic galleon No, I don’t like all this massive size increase in magazines across the game. If you want a tier 8 medium doing heavy tank levels of damage with its clip (290x3 already is very substantial) I would rather they buff the 50 100 to 4 shells as it’s the most powercrept by the Emils, the upcoming M4Y, etc.

[past crane]

I just don’t like seeing mediums become more and more like heavy tanks, that’s all. It’s already happened in PC, and I don’t want it to come to blitz, where in PC every new medium has armor, speed, a heavy tank gun, etc. WG so far has been good balancing “heavy mediums” like the 122 TM or T54 mod 1 but stuff like the Chimera and 274a exists and I really don’t want another tank like that. It’s crazy to see how far mediums have come particularly in tier 8, compared to what they should be and were way back when. I believe the ASTRON in its current state is balanced enough and again, I just do not want to see more and more mediums with heavy tank damage, with decent armor and vastly superior mobility to boot.

Note that Blitz isn’t WOT PC, so justifying a change to a tank “because it’s like that in PC” is NOT good reasoning.

[plucky summit]

You saw T26E4 stretch too far to be a heavy and become garbage

[plucky summit]

Revise that last statement, I think you missed something

[violet timber]

It would just be bad

[solid gate]

Already is.

[plucky summit]

But rip Lorraine 😏

[violet timber]

Lorraine hasn’t been relevant in ages

[past crane]

That’s fine
Premium tanks are for making credits and OP premiums are not the way to go imho. I don’t want another OP premium ruining tier 8.

[violet timber]

It wouldn’t. It has either the armor nor the HP to do what the IS-3d does.

[plucky summit]

Mmm 1160 damage

[solid gate]

Assuming that you don't already die with it.

[past crane]

Oops lol
I typed too fast lmao

[plucky summit]

👍

[violet timber]

And?

[plucky summit]

You literally just said it’ll work like the IS-3D 😂

Oh man, too late, got the screenshot

[lyric oriole]

They gone

[violet timber]

Honestly just get the Skoda T27. Better gun, better mobility, similar effective armor

[lyric oriole]

Asked them to change their PFP in 5 minutes (like an hour ago)

[plucky summit]

Oh dang

Well I guess it’s to be expected from a guy who said a tank can work like IS-3D, but then says it’s quite different once people acknowledge their statement 🗿

[plucky summit]

Then in that case, get Progetto 46 💀

[solid gate]

Enforcer.

[plucky summit]

Enforcing that Hellcat is better

[solid gate]

Super Hellcat.

[lyric oriole]

Super hellcat is awful

It's just an uptiered hellcat with more HP

[past crane]

Skoda is inherently very different than an ASTRON. It belongs more in the mobile, hit and run support category of mediums. The ASTRON is also kind of a support tank with its poor mobility and inflexibility with the clip, but it is more of a stationary support tank that can play defensively, using its armor to bait players and hit them for harder albeit over a longer period of time. The Skoda by contrast uses speed and unload time to quickly dump a clip before relocating- it does not have the health or the armor to get into a sustained fight like the ASTRON.
@plucky summit yeah, the Progetto outclasses pretty much everything because of its flexibility. If you have a Progetto no point in anything else unless you want a more unique and challenging playstyle.

[plucky summit]

Yeah idk why they didn’t crank up the DPM a bit for the Super

[plucky summit]

It’s super because now I can’t frontally HE it with my tier 4s 🥲

[violet timber]

I wanted something more similar, so I chose an autoloading med instead of an autoreloader. But yes, the Prog is just better

[lyric oriole]

Ah yes, the super part is doubling the frontal armor (while rounding down)

13mm to 25

[plucky summit]

I’ll set up an armor comparison between the two, I believe Skoda is far easier to penetrate

[lyric oriole]

Now those Pesky 57mm shells can't overmatch

[plucky summit]

Unacceptable, we must nerf it

[violet timber]

Astron armor profile is questionable at best

[past crane]

Super Hellcat is just a light tank/support tank. It’s not really a TD in the traditional sense.
If you want DPM or a sniper TD get a T25/2, which has wicked DPM and very good accuracy. WG keeps buffing it for seemingly no reason, but the buffs are welcome.

[lyric oriole]

Super hellcat isn't even a good support

The accuracy is abysmal

[past crane]

Got a pretty solid turret- Skoda has nothing.
@lyric oriole it’s like an STA-1. No wonder people don’t play it.

[lyric oriole]

STA-1 is unique in tier 8

Super Hellcat is outclassed

[plucky summit]

The main problem is that it’ll outclass tier 7 mediums, but still be bad because of the disparity between them and the heavies

[violet timber]

It's got two pretty big cheeks and a massive cupola

[lyric oriole]

Which unfortunately just comes down to heavies being incredibly unbalanced right now

[plucky summit]

Really shows the tier gap between 7 and 8, where even when they beef up tier 7s, 8s can still outperform

But then again I'm just thinking of the heavies, I'm rather confident some tier 7 heavies can brawl out some tier 8 mediums

[lyric oriole]

For sure

Frankly a fair amount of tier 7 mediums can even beat down tier 8 mediums

[violet timber]

T-29 supremacy

[lyric oriole]

There's a huge DPM drop for most vehicles

[violet timber]

T-34-1 is a good contender for "Tier 7 med that can beat tier 8 meds"

[past crane]

At least it’s something, it’ll bounce shells for sure. It’s not unpennable but you can make it work- especially if you put your gun up in front of the cupola and wiggle a bit. In a hulldown position that cupola isn’t the easiest thing to hit, and aiming for the cheeks can result in bouncing off the turret above them, or the sharply angled hull below.

[lyric oriole]

I'd even be willing to even say tier 8 mediums are the worst class and tier in the game, worse than the TDs because the lack of alpha

[lyric oriole]

Most of the 85mm guns too, or Panther 1

[plucky summit]

My main point about them is the fact that people have to think a little before shootin the rex

[violet timber]

Even hulldown, the cupola sticks out a good bit

[past crane]

Yeah they kinda suck…addition of new premiums with essentially heavy tank guns and armor doesn’t help.

However despite all of that the Pershing is pretty much my favorite Tier 8 med, and I played it before the DPM buff.

[plucky summit]

If they gave mediums some tier 10 treatment, and increased the DPM of most of them

[past crane]

Stick the gun up?

[violet timber]

True. That may be the only redeeming factor about the tank, other than it's better than average alpha

[plucky summit]

Only good against HEAT (and HE if that's somehow a thing)

[lyric oriole]

Not just DPM

Most of the mediums are horribly slow

[violet timber]

Not sure if it's correct, but armor inspector has the gun at 0mm

[plucky summit]

I'd assume it still causes HEAT to begin penetration* falloff, though

[past crane]

Yeah I think that’s not right
So that is messing with the image you sent me @plucky summit

[lyric oriole]

It's very possible

Remember Super Conquerer's weird gun

[plucky summit]

Regardless, if you're firing AP or APCR at it, it's just gonna go right through the gun, the cupola isn't thick enough to resist the remaining penetration of the shell

[past crane]

I had no problem with the Pershing’s mobility.
WG is giving many newer tier 8 mediums the slow treatment to offset their armor and good guns, but I agree some tech tree ones need their mobility amped up a bit. The STA speed buff was a good move for sure.

[violet timber]

The speed buff was nice, but the wrong buff imo

[lyric oriole]

A lot of meds with light armor cap out at about 50 or so KPH

[plucky summit]

WG tried too hard to give light tanks a mobility difference against mediums, instead of giving them a different redeeming factor, like DPM (I guess RU already has that with the 80km/h speed, so what do I know)

[lyric oriole]

In doing so they also are giving them too much armor making them better mediums

[past crane]

I think the DPM could go up, but I want something a bit different with the STA.
Instead of a flat out reload buff, I would love if WG amped up the alpha instead to about 240-250. Give it that extra punch to go along with that penetration, then the tank can really shine as a support vehicle with a wicked gun. Maybe buff at least the aim time for good measure.

[plucky summit]

As simulated.

Idk why I said damage falloff, I meant penetration

[lyric oriole]

See Sheridan, Original T92E1 (and how the armor was nerfed 2 time), Obj. 84, T-100 Light (and the armor nerf), Kunze Panzer

[violet timber]

I'd love that tbh. To me the STA has always been about the gun, so buffing the mobility was just silly

[lyric oriole]

Also some of the lights basically have Medium tank HP

[violet timber]

British lights, LTTB

[plucky summit]

The armor nerf was because it simply abused auto-ricochet x-x

Even still, it's gonna bully most lights and mediums because it's still 40mm

[lyric oriole]

Lights already have the advantage of light tank camo mind you

Mediums don't have a unique advantage to the class

[plucky summit]

Mediums don't get any advantages except nimble and high DPM, only in tier 10

[lyric oriole]

With how fast the heavies are

I wouldn't call them nimble

[past crane]

Yeah, for sure the gun is still super clunky when I use it. The STA and maybe the Indien need those alpha buffs to differentiate them as true gun oriented vehicles, as opposed to all-rounders.
Actually the Indien is quite good, what with decent mobility, an all around good gun with the pen and accuracy, and 10 degrees of gun depression with even some funny troll armor to boot.

I’m going to go out on a limb and say we need to buff the 122 on the T-44. It’s such a fun novelty gun that albeit very fun in platoons, I think it should actually be changed to be a competitive option. I’m not sure what the best way to differentiate it from the T-34-2 would be.

[plucky summit]

Mediums have too much armor to WG, so many can't imagine going over 55 :p

[lyric oriole]

Unironically buffing the traverse speed of a lot of heavies to almost be able to reach 40°/s

[plucky summit]

And then releasing Type with the ability to crack out its own traverse speed xD

[lyric oriole]

I remember the days of being able to circle heavies

I also remember the days of TDs being better than heavies for dishing out damage

[plucky summit]

Now they have to think about their positioning and not losing more HP than the 600 they already lacked 😔

[lyric oriole]

Tank Destroyer concept:

Lose the turret -> Become slower

Become Slower -> Lose HP

Lose HP -> Every TD loses pretty much all it's camo on firing

[plucky summit]

Now this is comedy, 3CRB funny, making AP pen basically as much as HEAT (not practically, of course)

[lyric oriole]

Lose all Your camo when firing -> Blitz maps are tiny and everything can see about half way across the map

[solid gate]

StuG III G, SU-85, JPanther, middle-tier chinese ones are quite fast.

[balmy compass]

Foch:
E 25:

[lyric oriole]

SU-85 takes like 5 years to reload

[plucky summit]

Foch? Lol

[lyric oriole]

Stugs engine asks the enemy to hit it

[violet timber]

Hellcat

[balmy compass]

not a casemate

[solid gate]

We don't talk about cons, we talk about mobility.

[lyric oriole]

The Chinese ones have no armor to speak of and a lack of turret and lose most camo when firing

Jpanther is a proper TD

E 25 takes 5 years to kill a heavy

Average HP of a tier 7 heavies is around 1600 HP

So 10 shots

[solid gate]

TD's have different roles.

[lyric oriole]

Wow thanks I never considered that for 8 years

[past crane]

☝️

[solid gate]

You're welcome.

[lyric oriole]

Give me a random TD and I'll tell you why it's role doesn't matter

[solid gate]

No.

[plucky summit]

Badger 🥲

[lyric oriole]

Unnecessarily slow one trick pony

Bring a 113 to the fight

[plucky summit]

A fast badger would be terrifying

[lyric oriole]

Keep going if you wish

[plucky summit]

Okay

Jagdtiger

[lyric oriole]

Solid mobility, solid DPM, solid weak modules, prone to fire, engine, and driver dying. Probably one of the few OK tank destroyers tbh that can actually hold a position

There's no vehicle in the tier that does the job similar or better

[plucky summit]

Yeah, just imagining the time me and my Jagd toonmate both rushed 4 tanks and survived

It was pretty funny because they did some wacky things in response

[lyric oriole]

There's a small handful of TDs that can fill their role better with no replacements

But the list is quite small

[unkempt skiff]

just bought

[lyric oriole]

Nice

[plucky summit]

Green Leopard PTA, but probably still better than it 😭

[copper swan]

how do you play E 25 and get high damage
such as 5k damage mastery

[lyric oriole]

A lot of luck

[solid gate]

WT Camelot in Burning Games with the second life is very potent.

3129 DPM normally.

[hollow notch]

Pray that a noob goes "hmmm, must be in a hailstorm" and goes about their business as usual in front of you.

[wanton marlin]

E25

[gleaming mango]

Hola

[balmy compass]

Ammoracks

[fleet berry]

Ryan2018#8018 was banned

[lyric oriole]

Intended to be a stealthy vehicle that fires quick with a low profile.

Fast firing guns reduce stealth significantly and the kill time for a lot of vehicles isn't all that fast either as it's prone to ricochets and missing. Ammo capacity is a moderate issue to boot.

Better of using FV201 (A45) or BP or Comet or T23E3

[wanton marlin]

WZ blaze. To me it’s a mini 183 lol

[lyric oriole]

No point to blaze at all, Just drive an IS.

Limited turret traverse, large profile, worst DPM in class, poor shell velocity, tied for worst view range in class, sub-par camo rating and bad armor.

The modules are very weak to boot

Better yet just drive IS-2 Pravda SP

It even has better hull traverse

[wanton marlin]

Did 4.7 k in it. Really depends on play style

[lyric oriole]

It really doesn't

Blaze is more of a hamper than anything

[violet timber]

The blaze is a meh tank

The blaze has no armor, meh mobility, and good alpha and pen. Unfortunately, alpha and pen are not enough to make up for it's shortcomings. Just pull out the SU-100M1 and you'll have a better tank

[wanton marlin]

Well I enjoy it and am good in it. The blaze ( from what I have gathered) is a tank that takes a lot of a specific skill sets that not many people have. Again this is just from what I think

[violet timber]

If ability to camp and use a bush are skill sets that not many people have, I fear for the blitz playerbase.

[misty wing]

People always mistake bad tanks for ones that "take a specific skill/aren't for everyone"

[wanton marlin]

Lmao. I play the blaze in the support/assault role. Supporting my team not from the back but not from the front either. If there is an enemy who is alone and on low health I clear them so my team can keep pushing

Well personally I enjoy the blaze. It’s a tank that allows me to both play more passive and camp or push and play the support role with my team. for me it’s the perfect tank that can do it all

[wanton marlin]

.-.

[misty wing]

Blaze is just worse than the helsing

[hot ingot]

u could say the same about the raviolli and its a great tank

[violet timber]

Ravioli?

[balmy compass]

M4 rev I think

[violet timber]

The rev has a serious lack of armor and it’s mobility is still meh. However, tier for tier, it’s gun is a lot better than the Blaze’s

[wanton marlin]

You were saying…

[balmy compass]

being able to do super well in a tank doesn't mean its a great tank

[violet timber]

Personal results =/= statistical evidence

[lyric oriole]

I like FCM 50 T a lot, but it doesn't mean it good

If you need a reminder

I said WZ Blaze is bad

And that's cause it is

[violet timber]

The STA-1 is my favorite tank in the game.

[wanton marlin]

Blaze is a good tank in the right hands. Idk what stats say

[violet timber]

Any tank is good in the right hands. That doesn’t make the tank good.

[lyric oriole]

A good vehicle performs well in a fair number of hands

A bad vehicle is basically the opposite

[wanton marlin]

Blaze works well for me. If you have an issue with that well

[violet timber]

It’s great that the blaze works well for you. It’s not great that you seem to think the tank is good.

[hollow notch]

I kinda have to disagree.

It's a very flexible elevation tank that can apply 400 alpha very reliably

[lyric oriole]

IS can also do that

The dispersion values are nearly the same

[hollow notch]

Depression and mobility are great for abusing meds

[violet timber]

I wouldn’t say the blaze is bad, but it certainly isn’t a good tank

[hollow notch]

2 things that the blaze actually lacks.(needs a buff in)
Elevation and shell capacity

[hollow mauve]

guys i mainly use the is4 and just got type 71
is is4 just the better tank or am i just unlucky in the type 71
type 71 is so dissapointing. everyone just shoots the top so its as if it doesnt ahve armour and it cant pen tanks fornally that is4 would pen

[hollow notch]

Type is all about the mobility, which the is4 lacks

[hollow mauve]

since type 71 armor doesnt exist then just play mediums

[late thistle]

or just go with the meds and bully the red meds

[misty wing]

Needs a bit more dpm imo

[solid gate]

I find the tank perfectly fine the way it is

[wanton marlin]

Tbh Type 71 needs gun depression buff and a speed nerf

[fast compass]

What a brilliant idea. Perhaps we should remove the stupid equipment, give it a nice slower heavium p/w with slightly more depression. Perhaps something like a weaker supertest version.

[violet timber]

Just put on the suspension equipment, go med side, wiggle. Type is easily the most dominant heavy in the game right now.

[solid gate]

Leo is the worst medium tank.

[violet timber]

Tier 10 or tier 7?

[balmy compass]

stock doesn't count, all stock tanks suck

[plucky summit]

The worst medium tank is T-25 =>

[hollow notch]

Yea, but stock cent1 one of the worst stock tanks.
Cromwell> stock centurion1

[lyric copper]

i mean seeing as the stock cent 1 was meant to fight Tiger 1s and Panthers...

it wouldnt do too well against something like the IS-8 or IS-3

[ancient iron]

so for these.... levels 1-60 with reward tank at level 30 mission things...... what has been the BEST tank they've given out IGNORING bugs or exploits (ik at release the Rover was nuts because of the mess up with the incorrect normalization... but that's CLEARLY not intended)

[balmy compass]

Most likely Kryos

[plucky summit]

Thunder is a solid one, just a KV-1S that trades DPM (now) for gun depression and some speed

[balmy compass]

Thunder also looks cool

[plucky summit]

Eraser BP44 isn't too bad either

Obviously, though, Blasteroid takes the cake 😋

[balmy compass]

All heavies 🤔

[plucky summit]

Well yeah, heavies dominate tier 6

[balmy compass]

What about the Magnus

[plucky summit]

Being a better M6 isn't a great achievement, but it's a solid tier 5 bully

[balmy compass]

What about the Icebreaker or Barkhan

[plucky summit]

The Tiger I ripoffs are just inherently a struggle to play

[grim hinge]

its good farming dmg💀

[balmy compass]

Its also good to farm damage on

[dusky osprey]

Hah, they were literally the same til wg nerfed m6's mobility

[plucky summit]

The spaced armor is the main thing I’m talking about

[dusky osprey]

Ah, fair

[loud arch]

I got the SUPA konkara

[oak pollen]

I don't think so
My tiger winrate is ~75%
And 2k+ avg dmg

[plucky summit]

Battle count?

It's not too difficult to club anyways

[oak pollen]

18
Win 14

[oak pollen]

Lucky
I want it too

[nocturne tiger]

What's the recommended equipment for AMX 50 120, just got the tank and I'm just starting to get the hang of it

[balmy compass]

Right right left
Left right right
Left right left

[past fractal]

Do you guys have any tips on how to play the Bc 25 t line in general ? (currently in amx 13 90)

[loud arch]

do you think the sconq is optimal or should be nerfed

[oak pollen]

I'm currently on amx 13 90 too

[safe cedar]

Buff

[wise moth]

Honestly needs a buff TBH

[hollow notch]

It's a very easy style of tank to break.
It's not a terrible tank, dont buff it

[misty wing]

Buff its looks with PBR

[oak pollen]

WG very tank should buff every tank by giving them all PBR

[solid gate]

I’m on the amx 75 and even the gold pen is killing it for me

[oak pollen]

Its a great tank for me

But still, I agree that it have low pen

[hollow mauve]

9 degrees depression is enough?

[astral lark]

When will WG add this tank into the game? I saw this leaked image an hour ago. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/867408512849018912/1013701390062866442/FB_IMG_1660362869330.jpg

[empty helm]

Look ugly ngl

[regal bough]

just a casual 20 trillion gold with 99% off

[empty helm]

Also why MBTs need a big turret

[tacit rock]

Ye just 20 trillion

[empty helm]

Ok I know the reason why

[astral lark]

It's still 200 billion gold tho lmao

[solid gate]

World of Tanks: Modern Armor.

[foggy spire]

Emil 1 is the worst T8 heavy.

[neat nimbus]

So this the premium tanks I have

Which ones are really good apart from obvious ones

[empty helm]

anything but is-6

[desert current]

skill issue

[oak pollen]

All WG need to do is remove special equipment
Buff gun depression to 9 and nerf the armor

[solid gate]

T-44-100, leKpz M 41 90, T54E2.

[oak pollen]

Jtiger 8.8 & action x,obj252u

[glad flax]

Nashorn or Jagdpanzer IV?

[foggy spire]

Jagdpanzer 4 if you want Jageroo. NA shorn for the Grille.

[oak pollen]

Jpz4 have better DPM & armor Nashorn have more accuracy & pen & quite better speed
Personally I prefer jpz4

[solid gate]

Box.

[solid gate]

Jgpz 4

Tbh i hate nashorn

Small sacrifice.

[merry current]

e75 ts, lekpz, jg 88 are the only good ones besides the obv
everything else is mid (t34, lowe) or garbage

[blissful hamlet]

Nashorn leads to Jageroo as well

[shy hound]

I’d get the Jg, Grille is trash after the nerf. Jg pz e100 is insane if you are a good player

[plucky summit]

@proper mantle HE shells never bounce. Not doing damage doesn’t indicate a bounce, the shell just explodes on contact, without damage being dealt within the tank

[proper mantle]

I know it but not doing any DMG is same as u bounce to track with AP/APCR/HEAT

[solid gate]

@proper mantle that doesnt mean u always have to dmg the tank with HE

[plucky summit]

There's also a ricochet, though, in which you deal no damage with your AP or APCR shell. A bounce is literally the shell crumbling as it hits the armor and bouncing off because the armor was too thick

HE shells don't do that nonsense, they just blow up

[wanton marlin]

He shells can bounce (not ricochet bounce a normal bounce) if the amor is thick enough and there is no thin amor around for it to splash

[manic carbon]

‘Bounce’ is a term used loosely by many

[wanton marlin]

Well by “bounce” for he I mean the shell explodes and there is no amor to splash around it XD

bruh. Is this a bug or ?

[brave juniper]

As far as I know it does not in fact have a 2s reload

[wanton marlin]

So is it a bug?

[violet timber]

That’s with all the crew skills and adrenaline active. It is very situational

[polar basin]

Ferdinand or jpanther2 to e100?

[violet timber]

JP 2

[polar basin]

I accidentally researched ferdinand what should i do? 😅

[violet timber]

You can either play through that, or I’d recommend going back to the JPanther and getting JP 2

[polar basin]

Alright will go back to jp1 then

[flint bear]

Ferdinand may be better than jp2

[hollow sequoia]

ferdinand is awful

[flint bear]

Still,jp 2 is playable on 1st n 2nd line. But it has zero armor

[empty helm]

man how do you caculate rate of fire and DPM

[hollow sequoia]

fun fact: HIDE your hull and oh wow whats that over 240mm of effective armor

[flint bear]

You can read about it ingame

[empty helm]

I said 'caculate'

[hollow sequoia]

correction: roughly 290

[flint bear]

60/ reload time* damage

[empty helm]

Why 60

[hollow sequoia]

compare that to the ferdinands oh so incredible armor of 200mm flat and no mobility at all

[flint bear]

It’s too huge to hide tho, and penetratable with gold, like ferdinands

[hollow sequoia]

please find me a tier 8 tank that has over 290 gold pen (the isu does not count)

[flint bear]

Because dpm is damage per minute, minute=60 s

[flint bear]

Gimme a sec, I’ll find you 5 or even more

[hollow sequoia]

and the thing is, tier 8 pen is god awfully power crept most things have 220mm of standard pen on average, all that armor does NOT work in 2022

:lolpoint:

[flint bear]

I need this app/site.

[flint bear]

But still, I don’t really understand how you are going to hide this huge thing

I know there are some positions, but you aren’t able to hide it always

[hollow sequoia]

boulders, dead tanks, ridgelines, trains, and other terrain irregularities i cant be bothered to mention:

[flint bear]

Trains 🤨

[hollow sequoia]

dead rail, himmelsdorf, canyon

[flint bear]

Still,ferdinand isn’t awful thing, it would be better for a newbie

[hollow sequoia]

the point is all that armor on the ferdinand is not worth it for that HUGE mobility disadvantage, just get a jp 2

sure it can troll tier 7 meds and lights but thats it

[flint bear]

I have to ask it. What’re best 8 heavy tanks

[violet timber]

It’s better than trying to hide the entirety of the Ferdi.

[flint bear]

Or, who goes after 53 tp

[violet timber]

Shark and Chi-Se are both rather good

[flint bear]

Chise is hard playable vs 9 heavies

[misty wing]

T77, Skoda are my go-tos

[vital flax]

Emil I

[violet timber]

1951

[flint bear]

Sheriff maybe.

[vital flax]

1951 paper turret not worth imo

[misty wing]

Sheriff is an underrated gem, but probably not the best

[violet timber]

1951 Just has to hulldown. It’s got good mobility and an insane gun

[vital flax]

1951 turret can be penned without prammo by t8 heavies if they are slightly above

[flint bear]

||| yoh is very underrated tho.

[violet timber]

If they’re slightly above, which really doesn’t happen.

[vital flax]

I do like to face 1951 in rating trying to hulldown. Free farm😈

[violet timber]

You’re right, playing 1951 does give you easy farms because of how good the gun is

[flint bear]

I have to say, 60 tp’s gun is great

[late thistle]

It’s troll

[plucky summit]

RoF: 60/(Reload Time)
DPM = RoF * (Average Damage)

[plucky summit]

The problem is that there’s also a case of absorption, whether by spaced armor or external modules

So if those can be called bounces, you’ll be telling me that you can bounce a tank without even hitting it

[empty helm]

Thank you

[plucky summit]

🤝

I guess a direct hit “bouncing” could also just be called absorption, by the armor being thick enough to absorb the explosion without spalling

[pallid rivet]

Why did we get the KeNi for free today? Has there been something special?

[plucky summit]

They’re just making use of tier 3 collector tanks

Gets players back on the game

[flint bear]

My twin account on sng server got it like one week ago

[solid gate]

Isn't Minotauro supposed to be premium?

[violet timber]

No

[solid gate]

K.

[empty helm]

A prammo magnet yes

[violet timber]

#coming-soon message “researchable tier 10 TD”

[solid gate]

K.

[night ridge]

Guys Why I Can't Find Tog 2 In Uk Nation Tech Tree?

[violet timber]

They removed a lot of premium tanks from the tech tree

[empty helm]

😔

[plucky summit]

It is no longer always available, you must catch it in store offers

[night ridge]

Sometimes if your lucky you can get 100 gold coins if you watch ads for Rare Loot box

I found another Tank Slot by it

[solid gate]

Valentine II.

[plucky summit]

??

[solid gate]

Hello there chickenman

[plucky summit]

Ello

[solid gate]

Got any idea about this latest bp vault bug? I guess I’ll have to create a ticket, but they’ll be overwhelmed right now

[plucky summit]

Haven’t been playing the game, so idk

[solid gate]

Oh right

[ancient iron]

thoughts on the FV4202?

[violet timber]

Good tank

[rigid thunder]

a fun way to destroy your credits

[opaque flicker]

Thoughts on the excelsior and MBT?

[solid gate]

Fun with high pen HESH and great mobility to use it, even with the buff it's armour profile is unreliable, got a strong upper plate though and a troll turret (also some nice spaced armour on the sides), will use a lot of credits due to HESH being it's prammo, probably takes a bit of experience to do well in as it's not a particularly easy tank especially considering it has no real prammo, I would say definitely worth grinding (keep in mind i don't own the tank 😂)

[foggy spire]

How can somebody be this bad?

[plucky summit]

Easily

[foggy spire]

But over 70k games?

[plucky summit]

Yeah, they enjoy funny tank, not caring about playing well

[solid gate]

Kind of refreshing 🤭

[hollow mauve]

Os this tank just gonna cruise around like a light. Armour like a heavy and gun like a td

[balmy compass]

You found someone who doesn’t care for stats or playing well

[plucky summit]

They’re a rich 8 year old 😎

[violet timber]

How’d you find my reroll?

[solid gate]

https://tenor.com/view/go-away-oops-awkward-big-eyes-gif-16408506

[balmy compass]

If I had that money when I was that young I would be buying Legos 💀

[neon remnant]

kpz 70 now sounds like jg pz e100 and other high caliber guns, while with the old sound the kpz sounded like 120mm, am I right?

[balmy compass]

Pretty sure old sounds Kamfpanzer 70 used the 150/152mm+ sound

[neon remnant]

nope

kpz70 sounded like IS8 is7 etc.

[balmy compass]

It has a 150mm gun so I don’t see why it would sound like a 122mm

[neon remnant]

now it has a high caliber sound.Check on ytb gameplays and u l see

[ancient iron]

there's something oddly satisfying about firing my 7/1's Hesh into the turret of the 183

although... that 183 finished the battle with 137 damage done so I mighta just been kicking a puppy...

[solid gate]

Haha I was in a 2v1 but I was isolated in a 1v1 sort of, and was in a light vs heavy, congratulated myself on winning it without losing hp, very smooth, after the battle I realised he was a 30%er with an avg dmg of like 400+ XD

[glossy finch]

Some guns also had the 122mm sound, like the gun on T 30, T 95, E3 and E4 obj 268, and some others.

[solid gate]

Well not sure about the sound, but the kpz 70 does have a lower alpha gun, like the Sheri line, don't know if that accounts for it. Also I it a 150 instead of a 152 mm?

[glossy finch]

No because the American tds i mentioned had 155mm guns and the same gun sound as kpz 70.

[solid gate]

Right, they definitely had 122 mm sounds? Odd I dont know why that would be (I play with sound off btw, I'm just curious, especially considering all the complaints about 150 mm sounding like 122 mm)

[glossy finch]

i honestly think the 150mm or larger guns that had the 122mm gun sounds fit the tank if you know what i mean.

[solid gate]

Right, so for those tanks the sound didn't change much then?

[glossy finch]

im sorry, i fail to see what you are trying to say here

[solid gate]

Sorry I didn't really explain clearly or at all

A lot of people complained about the new gun sounds, particularly the 150/2 mm which they said sounded really lacklustre, but if some of the 150 mm guns already sounded like 122 mm then did those ones stay the same while the others sounded less powerful? Or do the 152 mm guns that sounded like 122 mm guns now sound even less powerful lol

[wanton marlin]

When wg

[solid gate]

Amx elc HTC?

[empty helm]

American

[ancient iron]

I am at 82.8K XP on my Cent 7/1 and have the timed 50% off tier 10 certificate....
I just need to get to 112k XP.... this is so enjoyable a tank though.... I might keep it tbh

[solid gate]

Well I think it would be worth keeping, quite an interesting tank

[night ridge]

Only a few more xp left then i will buy T28 Prototype yayy

[ancient iron]

amusingly without the top engine and tracks the 7/1 was actually my least fav tank for a while.... but afterwards the tank was much better... it might be my favourite tank now....

[night ridge]

You can progress the game quick if you can understand how to go to high tier tank and how the xp system work

[solid gate]

Yes, because a stock cent 7/1 is something to be feared...for the person playing it

[safe cedar]

Should 30b get Buffed if so what?

[glossy finch]

Turret

[violet timber]

Mobility or dpm

[blissful hamlet]

I got the 4202 in the hard way, 225k xp, still have the cent

[solid gate]

How i could not take tank as?ff

[lyric copper]

how you could not take tank what now?

[late thistle]

Chieftain Mk 6 vs Concept 1B: which do you think is better and why?

[lyric copper]

C1B is just better meta wise

but for having fun, the Chieftain is better than boring hulldown combat, every pen you get feels like your fault rather than “omg hacker how he pen me!1!1!!1”

skill meta > any other meta

fun to play + fair to play against balancing > purely stats based balancing

[late thistle]

I have both and I can’t decide, they are pretty similar, I think I prefer the chieftain gun but C1B overall, it’s just too op hull down

[lyric copper]

Chieftain’s gun is crispy

the C1B doesn’t have that but instead has boring gameplay

just go hulldown and look at people haha yes I am having fun this is very challenging and engaging gameplay yes

[late thistle]

True the chieftain requires more attention, that’s probably why I play it more often

It’s more of a classic hulldown play style, balanced as you said

[solid gate]

Any tips for someone who only knows how to play light tank and now wants to try a heavy tank line?

my next investment might be the Caernarvon Action X

[violet timber]

Don’t get the AX

[lyric copper]

heavies are really easy to play

most of the more modern lines require very low skill to be effective

you can play like a moron and still live because HP pool and armour

which is why we see so many superheavy campers

they aren’t punished for staying at the back and sniping

[meager cedar]

Try type 71 but with the speed equipment

Won’t be as fast as a light but has the amour and is relatively speedy for a heavy

[lyric copper]

the whole line past the Chi-Se starts to become more moron-proof

[oak pollen]

It should have buff but not turret
It already have a lot of med who are hull down style

[night snow]

I need a premium tank to grind credits, are there any good options in the store right now?

[balmy compass]

Shark

[safe cedar]

Hb mobility, heat pen, and turret bloom

[oak pollen]

Maybe also little less reload time

[safe cedar]

Possibly but the HEAT alpha + pen buff would improve it effective dpm

[shy hound]

If ONLY looking to grind credits, than buy Lowe

[night snow]

Did they remove it from the premium shop? Can't find it.

[rigid rover]

i saw it a week or month ago...
they change it everyonce in a while youll see it again
eventually...

[night snow]

I'd like one now, my situation is pretty grim and I have no premium tanks to get credits in. What's the cheapest one I can buy that will net me profit

[sleek apex]

It and other premiums got removed from the tech tree premium shop, now it only goes into the shop each 4-6 months like other tanks. Last time its sold are during Lions day on a pop-up offer.

[night snow]

Why? I don't see a reason for it.

[rigid rover]

some t5
next to tech trees u can buy for gold or smt

[night snow]

Come on boss, a tier 8. Everyone knows that tier 8 is the best to get credits in.

[plucky summit]

The two top credit coefficients in the game are tier 5s

[thorny smelt]

First, farm gold. Tier 8 premium tanks range from 5.5K-8K, at extreme, 12.5K gold.
Second, free weekly crates. There's a chance you'll get a free premium from tier 5-8.
Third, deal more damage and do more kills.

[solid gate]

Which are they? I thought lowe was at the top

[thorny smelt]

Angry Connor/Archer and Chi-Nu-Kai

[plucky summit]

T26E4 is over Lowe, too, but Lowe effectively earn more credits because it has at least some relevancy

[solid gate]

Ah ok thanks, forgot about the chi nu kai, but it's such a lousy tank good luck earning credits in it, and too low a tier to get enough damage to farm credits

[solid gate]

Really? I would have thought the S. Pershing is a lot better, lowe just seems meh, doesn't really have anything

[plucky summit]

It has a phenomenal gun, and a solid armor profile

Spershing just fails to be a heavy

[hollow belfry]

^ Super Perishing fails at both being a med and a heavy

[solid gate]

Well S. Pershing has quite strong armour but it's spaced, so tanks with not enough pen and HEAT for prammo are gonna have huge issues. Also lowe armour is pretty horrible, a tiger two is far superior

[plucky summit]

NO they won't.

[hollow belfry]

The turret is riddled with weakspots

Just shoot the completely unprotected cheeks or lolpen the roof

[solid gate]

If you go hull down you can hide the top, and in a brawl its not always easy to hit it

[plucky summit]

All it takes is a turret wiggle to ruin your day, though

[hollow belfry]

The Super Perishing's armor just doesn't work against people with half a braincell, it's slow and the gun isn't even that good at all

[plucky summit]

x-x

[copper swan]

now use enhanced armour

[solid gate]

Well yeah, but same with the indien pz, they both still have pretty average armour IMO (lowe is overrated and indien pz underrated imo)

[plucky summit]

Lowe isn't overrated because of performance, it's because of how busted the credit making is

But Lowe is nonetheless a solid tank, definitely more so than the T26E4

[solid gate]

"All it takes is a turret wiggle" LOL

[solid gate]

Well you said s pershing is better for credit earning anyway

[plucky summit]

Against a Panther I

And no, I said it had a better coefficient, but Lowe earns more in the end because it's not hot garbage

Let's make this clear

[solid gate]

Yeah, certainly doesn't perform great so lowe would earn more

[plucky summit]

Pershing is easily better :p

[solid gate]

Hmm well idk I think about them as fairly equal

[hollow belfry]

The Löwe isn't the most exciting tank to play but it fullfills wonderfully the credits printing task
SP is both boring and not good

[plucky summit]

I'd say I have both tanks, but I never played the Spersh because ik it's not gonna work as well as Lowe

[solid gate]

Right, wait you literally have never played it?

[plucky summit]

Lowe offers sheer consistency with its gun and penetration

And no, I haven't, but I have bullied countless Spershings with said Lowe :3

[solid gate]

Lol, funny why wouldn't you at least try it, did you get it for free from a crate or something

[plucky summit]

I got Lowe from a free crate, Spersh from a Globe, I believe

[solid gate]

Right, not bad

[hollow belfry]

Tanks like the T26E5 are just outright better than SPersh

[plucky summit]

We'll mercifully ignore T32 💀

Do you have an alt? It seems you've played neither the T26E4 nor the Lowe

[misty wing]

isn't the E75 RT Keiler just a better Lowe

[plucky summit]

It is, but I still prefer Lowe because the gun's consistency is to die for

[solid gate]

No lol I haven't got them, just based on seeing them/studying them (it's a bad habit of mine to talk about tanks I've never played 🤭)

[plucky summit]

I talk about tanks I haven't played a lot, but I keep myself aware of any tank using blitzhangar/wotinspector

[solid gate]

But you've never played s pershing yourself lol yeah fair enough

[misty wing]

what do you think of the T77

[plucky summit]

Yeah, but I know it'll be a sluggish trash can with an underwhelming gun =)

I feel that Lowe at least has some leverage in its brawls

Why T77 when Emil I tbh

[solid gate]

Yeah. T 77 has a more reliable armour profile in a sense, in that vs prammo everything can be paper on an Emil but the t 77 the weakspots just get larger, and it's got a better gun cause it's a two shot imo

[plucky summit]

I will take Emil's armor any day over T77, at least they need prammo for the turret

[solid gate]

Yeah true, I've found the t 77 armour profile troublesome though, maybe just a skill issue 🤓

[plucky summit]

Yeah it has some painfully large turret weakspots

[misty wing]

what's the rarest tank at tier 8 besides fearlesses

[solid gate]

It's hull is far superior and the turret is pretty troll

[plucky summit]

The hull is not superior, and the rarest tank is probably Panther 8,8

T25 Pilot 1 isn't that played, huh.
Neither is T-44-100

[solid gate]

Yeah forgot about the t 25, or possibly 0-47?

[misty wing]

idk about you but I've only seen a type 57 like once besides my own

[plucky summit]

Obj. 274a is played more than P8,8 xD

@misty wing 981 Type 57s vs like 200 P8,8 players

[solid gate]

I've seen it a fair bit, @plucky summit lol funny and it's only in crates 💀

[sleek apex]

Wg said "they wasnt bought often"

Also so that players would have to wait and buy the bundle for the tank since they cant just buy the bare tank anytime, Wargaming marketing strategies.

[plucky summit]

IS-2SH seems to be played less than P8,8

[solid gate]

Smart playerbase for once

[plucky summit]

And Turtle Mk. I beats IS-2Sh by 8 players

[solid gate]

Turtle isn't bad is it? I guess it's just another slow td though

[plucky summit]

It's bad

[misty wing]

what about the raumpanzer, I rarely see those

[plucky summit]

294 players, about 50% more than Panther's

[solid gate]

I think a fair few people got that from the snow globe

[plucky summit]

Okay Ima draw up a tier 9 turreted TD concept sheet

[solid gate]

Lol sounds fun

[plucky summit]

Balancing it is slightly less so, my favorite part is doing the armor effectiveness

[solid gate]

Lol

[plucky summit]

Cuz ima nerd

[misty wing]

should I take it for a spin

[plucky summit]

non't

@empty helm what tier is it?

[empty helm]

Idk
Tier 8 probably

Cuz most of the stats are ru 251 stats

[plucky summit]

😂

[misty wing]

I heard chickenman really likes the Firebird

[empty helm]

Pollo man

[plucky summit]

I don’t

Camo ug ug, but I do like the AMX M4 mle. 54 😊

[foggy spire]

STB-1 vs Leopard 1?

[hollow belfry]

Vastly different tanks

[misty wing]

how do you play grille on mayan ruins

[foggy spire]

They both are fast mediums though.

[hollow belfry]

The Leopard is way faster.

STB is about overall flexibility with 11° of gun depression, a fairly solid turret if you don't sit still along with decent firepower and mobility

Leo is all about the mobility and firepower

[empty helm]

Finally I traced it

[shadow fable]

is this good

[oak pollen]

Agree

[thorny smelt]

Pollo loco

[sterile eagle]

Why did i choose tiger P 😐

[jolly leaf]

hello guys what is the easiest line to grind??

[solid gate]

Polish heavies possibly

[jolly leaf]

i already have 60tp

[olive prawn]

What do you think of VK 28.01 with 105mm gun?

I personally only use it with that gun… at first it was cuz i was a new player and i only looked the alpha (and not the 67mm of pen at t6 lol); but then I started to like it and understand the gun: basically i see HEAT as the standard shell (120mm of pen, which is decent), HE as HESH since it has 55mm of pen which is really good and AP as the ammo to go through spaced armour (on the side cuz you wont even pen a leopard from the front lol)

Either way my stats on the tank suck lmao… but when i can put a 410 alpha he on a hellcat… cuz the problem of the top gun is that it doesn’t have he.

[solid gate]

Yeah I agree it’s a really cool gun, accuracy sucks of course, but the HE being nearly as high as the AP 🤣

[olive prawn]

Would love if it had at least 80-90mm on AP

BTW ever tried it in mad games/uprising/burning games?

[oak pollen]

It's good tank

[sterile eagle]

Idk..

[shy hound]

May not be in the shop rn. I you are looking for a fun tank or tournament tank don't get the Lowe because there are quite a few better tanks

[solid gate]

is the tiger 2 worth it?

[thorny smelt]

Just keep on grinding

[oak pollen]

Using gold for grinding new tank is bad idea
Keep gold for buying premium tank or at least research the module

[jolly leaf]

good but stock turret is pretty bad

[sleek apex]

Yes but save free exp for modules since stock grind are bad

[violet timber]

E100 line

[old glade]

Hi

[split wedge]

Ok so, I dont get this situation. Shouldn’t a track give a little more extra armor? Some1 explain it to me

[empty helm]

https://youtu.be/uKtmnwIwrHc

[sleek apex]

It does give extra armor normally, but on that angle the bare side plate was at an autobounce angle.

The tracks helps the shell to normalize into the side plate, although this does not guarantee the shell to go through since its counted as spaced armor and may only result to track crit/destruction.

[split wedge]

Ur basically talking to a wall rn. I know how to sidescrape and I alr got answer. Thx for info @sleek apex

[violet timber]

@plucky summit

[tepid stump]

good fun

[plucky summit]

💪🤓

@split wedge @sleek apex You two are witnessing a mechanic that I personally call "Three Calibers Rule Bypassing"

The track are providing extra thickness, but they're allowing the shell to activate this rule before hitting your main armor

[empty helm]

But the wall got a person inside