tank-balance-discussion

[viscid blade]

most of the tt t8 meds are underpowered lmao, their LT counterparts are usually better (if there is one)

[fathom glacier]

Old 640 would be fine

[scarlet fjord]

new nuke meta i say 680 with 2600 DPM to compensate
but yes 640 is still better than 560 lol but at least give it 2900 DPM if ur givign 640 alpha

[fathom glacier]

I don’t care about dpm lol. I want big dmg in foch 155 like old time

[stuck acorn]

foch for now is just trash. Tank is extremely infuriating to play. Armour doesn't work, neither the gun does. Why don't they give it back 640 on autoloader with nerfed HE so it doesn't one clip meds and TD's anymore when it catches them sideway, nerf DPM a little bit and it should be okay.

SIngle shot gun is different story. I'd just give it 680 alpha and leave DPM as it is. It should be fine

[scarlet fjord]

i care a lot about DPM for pubs in this new meta its so fast paced its hard to farm dmg like in the hull down super heavy spam meta which was extremely slow i could easily not rush and farm all i want but now tanks can kill you in 5.5 seconds so yeah
i would give auto loader back 640 alpha since a lot of the tanks are much stronger now then they were when it was broken in that state everything has spall liner now on top of it so HE problem resolved somewhat if it bugs u that much just give it 640 alpha and normal HEAT alpha but reduce the HE alpha all u want
now i really dislike it too inaccurate for a 560 alpha gun i mean it has a 7 second interclip
while tanks with 1.8 second reloads flying around and having 1640 burst dmg
so foch 155 needs 7 seconds to burst its two 560 alpha shells but 4005 can shoot 4 times with 410 alpha in 5.5 seconds i know foch has armor but its not enough to comensate for the broken guns modern autoloaders get
literally T57 has a better auto loader rn a heavy tank with more hp's and troll armor
i 100% would prefer 1 shot gun over its current auto loader gun if it had 680 alpha
or just bring back autoloader with 640 alpha

[fathom glacier]

Foch should have 5 sec intraclip in autoloader but give him more reload time an example 20 sec. And bring 640 and 960 alpha back. Because fv4005 is still broke since 9.1

[neat crescent]

So 25 seconds for 1280 damage ..? that's 2560 DPM which is way lower than any TD at t10

Edit: 25 seconds spread around the intra clip reload 5s as proposed and a 20s reload for the 2 shells, or even quite more if you take into account the poor gun arc for tracking targets, aiming time and having to hold shells,etc

[fathom glacier]

Who says 25sec? Old foch 155 had 16 or 17 sec reload with 640 alpha dmg and still 7.2 sec intraclip. So I would say that foch 155 would get old 640 back and 20 sec reload but intraclip would buff 7.2 to 5

[neat crescent]

What it needs is not an even longer reload time, but a better aiming time, maybe better gun arcs, on move dispersion and a slightly reduced intra clip, like 0.5s-1s, the concept works, the aiming doesn't allow it to be useful however, the alpha can sit at 600, it doesn't necessarily need it's old TD damage capabilities so the dpm can be adjusted by changing the reload ever so slightly

[scarlet fjord]

thats boring though

[leaden flare]

Why are so many people whining about fv4005 ?
That tank is as huge as tanks get and has literally no protection and takes like 7,5s without the clip consumable to clip you which is very long and if it catches you like that you were way out of position

[rare tendon]

Because it can 1clip a full hp med-light, that's why, his problems are workable, that's why it's a suport tank and not a Frontliner, you're supposed to use your team, clip is busted

[granite pebble]

Thing is, any half intelligent player will just keep shooting your tracks with each shot, and even with it being 2.5 intra clip, in many situations thats enough to keep a tank in one place even with repair kits. On top of the fact that it has the super engine boost, on top of the fact that it has an intra clip booster, and on top of the fact that it has the spall liner, the tank just flat out isn't balanced to any degree.

[remote oriole]

Especially in mediums I have zero fear from FV4005s. The alpha is not that impressive, the target is as easy as it gets and I can spot and farm it long before it even gets close to my position, and if it should threaten me I can use my mobility to fall back a bit. It‘s not that difficult to deal with if you have some mobility to work with

[uneven narwhal]

I honestly think the intraclip consumable is what makes the clip broken, 1640 in 5.25s is brutal

Other than that, it takes 7.5s to dump it's entire clip
To add to that, you also need to consider the time needed for the 4k5 to poke, aim, and then back off (RC and ICB aren't always there)
If you're in sight of a 4k5 for that long, it's you that messsed up

[rare tendon]

games are 7v7, we're not alking about 1v1, you're talking like you're going against an FV driven by a blind kid (avrg blitz player lulz)

[upbeat sphinx]

Indien and centurion suck too.
They are the worst performing class now.
And mostly important they are powercreeped by chimera progetto and borrasque.
They should do something to revamp other meds

[leaden flare]

2,5s is fairly easy to rep track and pull back
With the clip boost yeah that's getting troublesome but still you'd get at max 2 into someone that isn't horribly out of position imsince the update I haven't been fully clipped by a FV once and I'm playing a squishy med

[uneven narwhal]

I agree, max you're getting hit for is two shots if you aren't out of position, I don't remember taking 4 till now
Yet another example of why super consumables are bad for balancing tanks

[proven drum]

Yes but buffing the dpm of every 225 alpha med by ~8% and every 280 alpha med by ~11% isn’t the way

[upbeat sphinx]

Well that's almost what they did to the Pershing, and now it's bereable. And has an healthy wr too.
2.7k DPM is not too much for a tier 8. Especially when tier 9 have 2.5k with much more alpha.

[compact nymph]

Well, no need to talk about t9. There’s a growing number of t8 heavies with similar or higher dpm than mediums

[slender latch]

Cause droodes said it was busted lol

[leaden flare]

Droodles kekw 👌

[elfin brook]

bring back is7 😠

[scarlet fjord]

not true you can easily get caught off guard you arent completely safe at all times for 3 minutes straight idc who you are even the best of players expose themselves for certain periods because not always the game is predictable heck if a pro player gets rushed by the yolo drivers he will 100% get out of position for a few seconds i guarentee you that you have 7 targets they will get out of position a plethora of times specially since in pubs most players arent good to begin with its literally broken because how it can easily tear apart regular players in pubs this isnt comp where everyone is careful and capable

@elfin brookIS-7 is literally still insane

[nimble zodiac]

😂

[rugged sigil]

balance 4005 pls

[pallid nest]

They already did

[unique scaffold]

Lol no give it 290 pen back it doesn’t need 300 and take out the spall liner and it’s fair again

[sharp kestrel]

Italiano?

[neat crescent]

<@&481447501690568709> ^

[jade cargo]

dancing_blade#1395 was banned

[neon zenith]

It would be nice to have for AMX 50 100 depression angles like -10°

[simple glen]

buff fps on new map with the graphics

[wicked oracle]

day 17 of asking wg to give the foch 640 alpha on the single shot

[bronze osprey]

day 1 of asking wg to give foch 640 for stock gun

[next quail]

Yo, sta is bad, it only has good pen. These tanks have something special but some where left behind forgotten

[vital basalt]

Yea, "insane" armor

[real bison]

if your covering your hull the panther II has to aim more

and the Panther II has a worse turret than the Pershing

plus you get -10 in the Pershing

[dapper epoch]

ok

[unique scaffold]

I think the amx 50 120 would need a slight buff of it's accuracy.
He is like a bigger Emil II but without the Armor. The 50 100 had a fantastic 0.31 while the 50 120 has a fat 0.35.
In other world, the big Soviet isu152 is more accurate.

The tanks is only reliable by it's gun, since mobility isn't that shiny. It's not a 50b because it lacks Armor
It's not a 50 100 because it lacks precision.
The gun is troll, so you will be more likely to pen 1 shell, track another and bounce the third.

Plus the depression and elevation angles that are terrible but that's not new

[vital basalt]

Still it doesn't mean it has insane armor, its maybe good for a medium and thats all and im looking at with 203mm pen which isnt lot, if you have +230 you can go through mantlet as well

[prisma jetty]

Look at them both with the same tank. Panther 2 has more pen than the Pershing.

[next quail]

Believe me, the 50 120 is perfect, its the smaller version of 50b pre 9.1. plus the armor is enough to not get penned by He. You kinda need hesh to pen it. Plus it has 1200 dmg and bursts it in 6 seconds. Its a flanking tank, it goes medium side to clip the living out of them

[sick laurel]

When fighting a type 71 the in game model not showing it having 9° of gun depression is terrible

[full token]

has it happened this update?

@ebon lynx I meant just 9.1. I know it was in 9.0. Didnt know if they had it fixed with 9.1

[ebon lynx]

Since 9.0

[dapper epoch]

ok 😂

[sick laurel]

It’s been like this since launch, just kind of sucks that they fixed the legendary camo not being able to be purchased minutes after the tank came out

[full token]

yeah maybe its a new kind of issue since the equipment has never affected gun depression before, usually just guns/turrets that also have their own 'model' i guess. Dont know how they couldnt see this coming and fix it beforehand, or how they havent got a fix after a month for something that can be quite impactful

[vale geyser]

bc that involves money not game balance 🤣Z

of course that would be fixed instantly

[scenic apex]

How could a update over a small tank game cause physical damage to a PC?

[turbid ice]

What in the world

[winged barn]

Do not question the smoothbrains

[slender latch]

That monitor looked like it fell from a table

[uneven narwhal]

Why does that look like you just have a broken screen image being displayed, and the monitor is fine

[hearty steeple]

Oh my, now that's an idea that I need to employ.

[daring tinsel]

Rage? Lol

[scarlet fjord]

day 1 of asking WG to give Foch 155 680 alpha on single shot gun

[jade cargo]

THICCmoustache#0693 has been warned.

[wraith trail]

anger management issues?

[dapper cypress]

How often does rebalancing of tanks happen?

[mossy cloud]

it would be nice if they would improve the armor of tiger 131 a little more since it feels softer than the other heavies of the same tier

[serene linden]

So, WG have nerfed damage on the WT (and Borsig) but only because they nerfed the Grille’s damage. But they have improved the WT’s camo, when it was ridiculous anyway…and done nothing else. The stats show it’s over-popular and that’s because it’s too good. I can believe WG can be this blind such that they don’t see it. Well done /slowclap

[safe sail]

Day 1 of asking WG to remove the kranvagn's speed boost and give it 40km/hr top soeed

[viscid blade]

lmao what thats op, they nerfed the mobility in testing for a reason

[next quail]

60kmh* just as the pc version. And an autoloader with 440 alpha and 3000 dpm+ 2.75 interclip+ 12° of gun depression

[safe sail]

Sounds pretty noice

[next quail]

Gun depresion will be 9°+12° because balance

[winter plover]

Imo retain the current armor thickness values for historical accuracy but have slight armor improvements like side skirts and the spare tracks on the lfp as spaced armor. Remodel the tank to a more accurate one with the drum cupola and give it an option for the maybach hl 230 engine for more mobility as the irl 131 runs on one.

For the gameplay you are supposed to angle the hull for more effective armor or go hulldown (its also in the ww2 german doctrine for the tiger I but was rarely done in combat)
And sidescrape on urban areas.

[twin egret]

Oh nooo, The E 50 M is getting that ugly square gun mantlet

[simple glen]

fix fps on the new graphics map. lags my laptop out. other maps are 120 stable fps in 9.2

[full token]

wrong channel, and other maps dont have pbr. Its not really comparable, even if its not very smooth to play on

[deep shadow]

Oh no. I hope Wargaming doesn’t nerf the E50M’s armor profile with the PBR graphics improvement. That would make Germans even more unhappy (the Grille alpha nerf)

[pallid nest]

Skill, i mean, mental issue

[stuck acorn]

sounds like a skill issue

T-62 is still good, 140 is even better than it was and IS-7 nerf is barely noticable as IS-7 never reached 50 km/h on flat ground anyway

[verbal igloo]

i didnt ask about my skill but thank you so much unicum123pdestroyer

[uneven narwhal]

that sticker is somehow more cursed than your statement

[rare hawk]

remove the annihilator and smasher pls a lot of people have problem with this OP ......

WG admit your mistake and repair it pls we will not be angry BUT do something with the annihilator and smasher

[scarlet fjord]

IS-7 is still total insanity of a tank yeah
T62a is WAY WORSE i would have to disagree
its broken accuracy made it very hard to hit hull down which also made it very hard to pen in pubs cuz u didnt aim u just poke for a split second

[unique scaffold]

Nerf Type 71!

[turbid ice]

It will, trust me but not today

[uneven narwhal]

doubt

[bleak notch]

Buff e50m

[prisma jetty]

No

[uneven narwhal]

I concur

[jade cargo]

Steven / Skri#9143 has been warned.

[coral river]

VK 72 needs armor buff on its turret cheeks, easily penned like butter.

[full token]

thats called a weakspot

[delicate moth]

So it is a good reason to buff it!

[twin egret]

Ah yes lets remove a weakspot and make the tank harder to attack than before

[scenic apex]

Not like pressing 2 creates more weakspots like every other new tank
(Looking at you Type 71 and 60TP)

[granite pebble]

PC version got nerfed, it doesn't go 60km anymore

[mortal violet]

Is the crusader worth buying?

[mortal violet]

I got the Churchill already though and I don’t have much space left in my garage

[next quail]

Supertest only. Not in pub server

[nimble zodiac]

It would def make Kranvagn way too cracked though

[real bison]

@rare hawk

shhh simple fix: learn to play a T29 or a tier 8 with armour

[rare hawk]

@real bison that´s not simple fix I want play what I want

[verbal igloo]

what do you think is Special about the waffel in the teaser trailer? meadsy said it should be a new tank and not a skin. just imagine if its an autoloader

[neat crescent]

It carries 2 guns and the main one seems to be a 128mm one

[wicked oracle]

Day 18 of asking wg to give the foch 640 alpha on the single shot gun

[scarlet fjord]

680*

[unique scaffold]

balance this never gona happen in this game.

Pay won some more, free play won not be a simple target for indestructible gold tanks [or killing in one hit :D].
2.Hi. Realistic battles is on real unreal. Remove red markers is good, but i cant andrustend why still is use masking. Tanks not vanishing. In my opinion this crush all battle and fun. Without markers is optimal. 3. Masking [camo]-> depending to class. 4. Finish with separate missions[quests], items for normal and pay players.may be obtainable by any player. <b>Money can only help<b> Have some others sugestion, eaven more importent, but try with this. Dont use game server to streaming or actualization

[real bison]

i smell skill issue

[verbal igloo]

stay strong you can do it 👑🗿

[neat crescent]

I wish I understood what he was trying to say

[wicked oracle]

what?

[granite pebble]

Ima be honest, the Lorraine 40t needs some kind of buff, in the vast majority of situations you simply just dont do enough for the kind of tank you're in. You're a massive target, you take 7.5 seconds to unload your 900 damage clip and then proceed to reload for 20 seconds hoping your team doesn't manage to die. Not saying to make it OP but it seriously needs some type of adjustment to make it less team reliant considering how long you have to stay on a target for your damage and how vulnerable you are at every single part of the game due to how absolutely massive the tank is for the lack of armor. Tanks like this are supposed to be high risk high reward while you're sitting with chimera levels of DPM despite the chimera being considerably safer due to it's armor layout and consumable choices.

[orchid grove]

#Lorraine5thShell

[rare tendon]

Haven't faced a Lorraine in more than a year lmao (and I'm mostly a t8 player)

[unique scaffold]

yes my language somtimes is not easy to andrustand but tomorow i write somting in corect En-Uk/US.

[scarlet fjord]

idk why the British flag made it funnier 😂

[rare tendon]

Use Google translate, I'm Spanish, that's how I started, now I only watch TV shows in English without subs, English is easy! 🤣

[neat crescent]

average google tl enjoyer learning experience.
it isn't that easy for most but it's good to see that's another way to learn the languages lol

[willow pecan]

Even if we do, we won't see them alive for long

[bleak notch]

Vk doesn't need an armor buff. If you angle the armor correctly it's a beast.

[unique scaffold]

Why rhm got a nerf???

[neat crescent]

I wonder~

[unique scaffold]

I really didn't understand this nerf on it, and on amx ac 48 too

[brittle jay]

u don't understand why one of the best t8 tds got nerfed?

[scarlet fjord]

yes

[unique scaffold]

Amx ac 48 is not a good tier 8

[brittle jay]

i meant rhm
everybody knows ac 48 is hot trash

[hollow quiver]

I agree to buff Mrs Lorraine

[elfin brook]

yes yes yes yes >:)

[swift geyser]

I like the rebalancing for the most Part, keeps tanks interesting with the changes. But why does EVERY tank now have insane traverse speed? In a Medium or Light you cant even outplay superheavies or TDs anymore as they are super versatile and can turn around in mere seconds. Thats just no fun at all.

[elfin wing]

Kodegen said in #open-test-discussions that they fixed displaying changes when Clutch Braking is learned.

[full token]

how is it one of the best?

[swift geyser]

RHM? Has access to a tier 10 gun that can one shot tanks, reticle calibration, great Camo rating, great dpm. You can snipe in it, play second line Support, etc. Super versatile, super strong

[elfin wing]

Also if you ram it and continue pushing it while wiggling a little you can destroy it with just one shot. I wish it wont be that fragile.

[full token]

19th best dpm (out of 23 tds in the tier), gets penned by anything, gets rammed by everyone, can hide until it cant. You get the worst dispersion for tds, and rely on reticle calibration to hit accurate long range consistently, which is a consumable with a cooldown. You have low hp for TDs, so a few shots and its dead. Its not one of the best. Maybe just average or in the middle.

[scarlet fjord]

still i think it should of kept its 640 alpha
it was possibly one of the best tier 8 TD's but most meta tier 8 tanks are superheavies and a tanks like Chimera maybe the new skoda auto loader and progetto tanks like this are also crazy nerfing RHM makes no sense when you have 30% of a tier to worry about that are of a stronger class of tanks

[full token]

It wasnt one of the best. Stats on Blitzanalysiz didnt show it at the top. It wasnt good enough to deserve any nerf. They probably just nerfed it because going from 640 to 600 alpha isnt very consistent for the line

[frail hawk]

Day 1 asking for a higher penetration rate for the IS-7
the is-7 has too little penetration on the "gold" in my opinion
e-100 does not even penetrate the "gold" into towers, even with "calibrated missiles"

[solid scaffold]

you should stop on day 1

[swift geyser]

Is7 has everything. Speed, reliable armor, Troll armor, decent damage. What more Do you want? Just aim for weak Spots and dont try to switch to Gold to Butter everything.

[swift geyser]

Its supposed to be a paper TD. What Do you want? An OP well hidden sniper with one shotting abilities that also jas OP armro?

[full token]

he didnt ask for a buff

[twin egret]

nah Lorraine 100mm

[swift geyser]

He said He wished it werent that fragile.

[leaden flare]

Lorraine 5 shots but with anni mechanic 😂

[elfin wing]

I dont demand anything, i have never driven one, i just kill rhms over and over again (thanks to that wiggly ram + 1 shot thing). It is just too easy (but i dont care, it is fun). Once you catch one, via wiggling your tank you can kill that tank easily. Since you "wiggle" and the rhm turret traverse is so slow i felt the pain. The tank is bouncing from my right front wheel and then left front wheel like a ball (back ram is also possible and easy). They generally swear out. But as i said before, it if perfectly fine. Wg can even make it more fragile, i dont care.