tank-balance-discussion

[scenic plinth]

Are the accuracy nerfs gonna be a lot or just barely worse

[rigid obsidian]

Why buff amx50b? it's useless

[silver raptor]

So no plans for 140? Doesn't it need any buffs?

[keen marsh]

bruh

[versed mural]

why 4th shell bruh

[fossil spruce]

i think the old buff/nerf based on tanks performance is much better than current one

[whole silo]

@lusty silo one more question...

its The t110e5 will getting the buff again?

I love the T110e5 even got some nerf.... But need change something to dpm like increase the reload speed or alpha to more enjoyable in game...

But speed & traversed speed will remaining the same.

[scarlet fjord]

what are the changes to the 183? can you say anything about that @lusty silo

[chilly ember]

@lusty silo with the amx and fv getting another shell, will that change the intraclip or the clip reload at all?

[prisma jetty]

You got me 😂 But after it is released would you rebalance it? After all, if it stays the same as it is right now, I’d expect it to completely dominate tier 10

[thorny mirage]

Sad 215b and e5 noise

[silver sedge]

I don't play much Tier 10 because I get punished very hard for my mistakes that I still do. Maybe tier 10 will be something I get used to with the new changes. Everyone has to get get used to the new circumstances I guess 🙂

[honest marsh]

Then what's the point to nerf balanced tanks? Nerf T100 is okay, because it was boring to watch 5 Lt camping in the back then rush to the enemy's face. 50B was fine with 3 shells no need 4th shell for less alpha. I understand that trying to nerf meta, but every new line comes with meta changes so no point to nerf these tanks, also 50m will be bad because of the less alpha.

[uneven narwhal]

I do agree that we should not judge this based on just 5 mentioned changes after you've mentioned that the entire tier is being rebalanced
A tank might not be suitable here but it might be in the new Tier state
So I do think that people should hold back until all the changes are released

Although I really am concerned about the 50B changes
Adding a fourth shell in exchange for gun handling just makes the tank frustrating to play (random misses, more aiming and exposure) and to play against as well (getting hit for more)

[void mulch]

Just as a reminder, I have a question: when will we be able to participate in the open test on the Asia server? I and other Asian players are eagerly waiting for this. Balance adjustment is everyone's interest.
@lusty silo

[lusty silo]

if a tank was a sharp-shooter we won't make him shoot like this guy 🙂
https://youtu.be/kItLDGtPMMI?t=22

[unique scaffold]

The only thing that needs to be done with autoloaders is limiting their amount in randoms to 1-2. They should be an addition, not a replacement for actual tanks like Is-4, T110E5 and Fv215B (which are very underpowered in current dynamic randoms by the way). Seriously looking at my heavy tanks in garage I only find autoloaders fun to play which shouldn't be the case...
Every single thing about autoloaders is godlike:
Accuracy - great
Armor - decent
Penetration - plenty
Dpm - 1v1 any tank
HP pool - plenty
Mobility - godly
Gun depression - plenty
Is there a single bad thing about them?

[buoyant hill]

I like op tanks 🤡

[keen ginkgo]

These changes need to be put into a OpenTest, then it will be decided if these changes are good or not.
it would requier a lot of feedback from players
It may sound like huge nerfs from here, but maybe it will change something for good, idk 🤔

[plain dune]

100 lt nerf huh? Well all i can say is thank you for actually shooting yourself in the foot, you made that AND fv 4005 op now

[lusty silo]

it takes some bravery to admit that! Well done!

[gritty jackal]

we need that @lusty silo

[waxen osprey]

Hey @lusty silo I understand your goals, to make a more distinct playstyle for tier 10. However, I feel like what reallly needs to happen with these changes is the balancing of inherently overpowered tanks, or to be very honest the playstyle differences might not be reflected cause things like the 60tp are soo dominant.

besides, buffing everything around the overpowered tanks to make it average will not work. thats simply gonna make everything better after time, and break balancing overall. pls listen to us and fix the inherently overpowered tanks first, after which the playstyle changes can actually be interesting

[unique scaffold]

True SPRTA noob, can’t play average tanks

[strong flame]

I like 215B 😭 👌

[compact burrow]

for me, I doubt the 4005 and the 50b need more clip alpha, I'm going to assume the 4005 will have around 1600 clip alpha which seems like a lot, the 50b I assume will be like 1400-1500 clip alpha with 4 shots, which is just crazy

[charred comet]

There are no pure nerfs in 9.1. As we mentioned before, it's rather the global adjustment of gameplay roles for the whole tier than making some stats-based individual balance changes.

[sly pumice]

Agreed. If they wanna buff the e50m atleast buff the poor Russian meds the e50m is gonna be eating for breakfast and lunch, however, as the list is not complete, I will be waiting for further news from Wargaming.

[west narwhal]

Is 50B's aiming time getting buffed? or nerfed?

[safe rapids]

Oh yeah, that new class balancing system you’re doing.
If you have a reason for this new rebalancing system, it’s not going to be a good one because the nerfs/buffs based on tank performance were much better, made more sense, and could help us tell which tanks NEEDED changing, instead of you randomly rebalancing a ton of tanks that did NOT need to be changed. The fact that all that needs to be done to Tier X is nerf a few tanks and buff some others, or remove all those stupid super consumables and provisions has either not gotten through to WG or you’re intentionally ignoring what needs to be done to waste time on changes that weren’t called for.
Just so you know, I’m not mad at you specifically Ribble, you’re fine. It’s the WG balance team I just have a lot of questions for.
Rant over, if I was a bit too blunt I’m sorry.

[spare needle]

Will the FV4005 get increased clip reload?

[lusty silo]

by those changes we fix OP and UP tanks and make them differ more. For example, 57, 50B and Kran will differ significantly. Is that bad? Or if T62 and 140 won't be Soviet Twins. Is this also bad?

[viral goblet]

But if you decrease the E 50M's alpha to 310, then you basically changed it to a "Speedy Tiger II". 🐯

[burnt venture]

This message has some good intentions behind it, but it is also in certain ways a half-truth.

• It's very obvious people like buffs. Nobody wants their favorite tank to get nerfed. Attributing this to "oh the playerbase wants tanks to be unique" is pretty sketchy. Most likely it is the fact that people hate when their tanks get nerfed and love when their tanks get buffed, not because they want unique gameplay or whatever.

• WG's latest and greatest idea in making tanks "different and somehow attractive" have been a continuous stream of special mechanics and autoloaders. Many players have already pointed out that this is clearly a mundane effort just so new tanks are popular with players, and a lot of players, especially professional level players, dislike these new mechanics because they are a horrible and complicated way to balance the game.

• Out of the last 5 lines you introduced into the game: 60TP, Yoh, T-100LT, TVP, Kran, FOUR of them ended up being used quite extensively in professional tournament settings, which means that they are obviously stronger than the rest of tier X by some margin. Wouldn't you say that your entire jist of "bringing diversity" is actually preceded by "forcing new tanks into the meta so they are popular"?

• Lastly, the idea of blanket "changes" to tiers has RARELY worked, and only for a few tanks at best. If you want to look at the results, these blanket changes to tiers usually ends up in massive "tier gaps", where tanks of different tiers just get MASSIVE gaps between performance even though they are similar. AKA the result of your recent tier 5, 6, 7, blanket changes.

I do not wish to insult WG or WG employees, I'm just giving my own take on how your policies like this usually go down. I'm coming into this with HIGH skepticism.

[old notch]

Though seeing the 50B and the 4005 getting another shell in the magazine, any love for the T57 heavy?

[lusty silo]

sure, but a bit different one

[small crane]

WG : 4 clips with 1 empty clip 🥴

[distant tendon]

please no

[rain sedge]

And practically made 50b useless to thr point its as useless as the french defence at the river rhine

@gray edge it specifically nerfed everything for 1 more useless solid French ap

[stiff bolt]

Thanks guys. I'm also in favor of not touching the t100 lt tank.lets keep voting.

[dull raven]

you ever just don't care about balance changes because you only have a single tier X 😎

[final warren]

Hey Ribble, I asked earlier about the Eagle 7 and it's ability to earn 10% free exp. Do you know if there are any plans to release more tanks that have 10% free exp?

[gray edge]

it depends on how much the alpha changes, if it gets higher clip damage i'm all for it

[fiery bloom]

Everyone is out here having a full on press conference and then we have Ribble just casually trolling 😭😭

@lusty silo Are we going to be seeing Premium/Collector Tier 10’s being Buffed/Nerfed as well? Because I think this should be the case, for example the 121B could do with a SLIGHT armour buff to make it relevant again, there is plenty more in this list but it would be great for it to happen

[lusty silo]

possible

[versed mural]

why add 4th clip to 50b its alr so good if u know how to play wut

[viral fractal]

An extra clip often means the tank needs to sit out in the open longer to get all them shells out, so I suppose that'll kinda suck for tanks like the 4005 who are HE magnets.

[scarlet fjord]

so you think 1680 damage with a auto reload booster and ur inter clip buff on the 4005 makes its reload probably less than 2 seconds making its burst like a 183 max rolling with HESH every clip

[rigid obsidian]

Ribble, how many T10 will be changed ?

[whole silo]

But....

Thx wargaming to nerf the T100 LT..... I don't like the light tank have everything more like as medium tank...

But when t110e5 and 215b will receive some changes?

[fossil spruce]

so when is next broken premium tank will be released? wg need more 💰 right?

[lusty silo]

i'm trolling? Really?

Yes. We are going to see collector tanks changes. There's an example in announcement. Also it's said there that we'll touch the entire level.

Trolling session is done. Next question please.

[chilly ember]

@lusty silo

[wicked berry]

Give the TVP a 10 shell autoreloader gun

[kindred zephyr]

Pretty disagree on 50b's nerf

Soo its a rework

[lusty silo]

#coming-soon message

[unique scaffold]

Can you leave 50B alone? Like please? 🥺

[dire lodge]

Most of the buffs outweighs the nerf on some tanks, but who am I to dictate that?

[twilit flare]

give 183 big buff Wg

[lusty silo]

no

[cedar widget]

WG please buff fv183 turn rate, dispersion per 100m and aiming time

[light ivy]

How about premium tanks? Are they going to have changes or just buffs without lowering any stats?

[woven sentinel]

Does the e6 still need the cupola? if you're gonna nerf its turret cheek armor there's no need for a massive weak spot still up on the turret so that the tank cannot do its job hull down
I mean yeah the mobility allows it to wiggle and it is not easy shooting the cupola but it just looks trash and isn't really necessary anymore. Also agree with the overall sentiment that E5 and 215b need buffs

[mental haven]

@lusty silo ???

[void mulch]

I have not received a reply and it appears I will have to move to North America.
Has this even been considered in WG? @lusty silo

Regarding balancing, how would you adjust the vehicles that are considered weak because of the huge cupola, like T95E6?

[lone sandal]

@lusty silook im not trying to sound rude but, why was the e50m buffed instead of the 30b?
the 30b is in a fairly poor position as it stands rn, it has bad dpm, a massive hatch, unimpressive armour, weird accuracy
whilst the e50m also has poor dpm, but it has very reliable armour, an accurate gun, also has the speed, but theyre giving it dpm for some reason, which was like its only practical downside lol
what is WG's rationale behind this?

lol harb you said maus needs a buff im not surprised you think e50m needs a buff :]

[compact burrow]

Maybe with this balance TD will be somewhat relevant? I haven't seen A TD in a tournament since Twister 2019 with the rare foch, so maybe will this balance bring TD back to relevance? That would be very cool instead of leaving them out of the meta for years

[honest marsh]

@lusty silo please tell me. What's the point of add new tank line if they will be meta, then nerf because it's meta, add thanks that not fit in. All about meta changes why?

Add Kran as a OP tank then nerf it till its unplayable same with IS-4 and E5 doesn't make sense for me.

[fiery pewter]

One day son.

[silk hamlet]

theyre just showing the most major changes out of all the tanks iirc

[inland pivot]

New tank are always the meta bruh, because people hasnt learn how to counter it

[ember gazelle]

Imma playing in tourns grille

[silver sedge]

Soon™

[solid iris]

@lusty silo will the 50 b's clip get an overall increase in clip damage?

[sudden drum]

@lusty silo will the t100lt spotting mechanic be changed in any way?

[deep shadow]

lol. I run rammer on E50M and it absolutely bullies the T100.

[teal crystal]

ok, where is the original messages?

[fathom glacier]

Just remove this spotting mechanic… 20sec is so to much

[plain dune]

@lusty silo this question is directed to my personal favorite quote on quote heavy tank, KpfPz-70. It wasnt touched for a very very long time, as it does need lot of rebalancing to fit in new game system. More armor, better dpm, better speed and accuracy. Cuz Jagd e-100 has faster reload and more accurate gun, despite being 17cm (170mm) launcher. Either buff Kpf so it acts like a true heavy with more speed, armor, dpm and hp, or make it into what it was supposed to be, a medium tank (or MBT - main battle tank such as centurions). Penetration, speed, reload, armor buffs are needed. Maybe add on it tighter accuracy and possibly special version for fun gamemodes where you can launch missiles, as it was intended to do irl. Thank you for your attention if you decided to read this

[leaden flare]

I kinda like that changes are coming even tho they make me kinda anxious because there is potential to break balance quite a bit or do some good

Imma just wait for now what the rest will be and that being said I hope WG take some feedback from maybe the better clans of each server cuz trusting the random player usually hurts the balance more than it benefits

@plain dune you're literally asking for them to make it broken
You compare a t9 heavy to a t10 TD obviously one is going to have better stats
It's gun stats for a 152 are decent as it's a heavy not a TD and you can hulldown decently with it in close range

All it needs to already be very good is gd and maybe he Alpha
After that it would already be very viable

[lusty silo]

it's sooo much that didn't affect the tanks stats 🙂

[dull raven]

we should get a channel specifically for ribble trolling people ngl

[prisma jetty]

@lusty silo can you tell us the new alpha’s of the E50M and 4005?

[frigid goblet]

Hello random blitz enjoyers

[lusty silo]

of course
less than 350 and less than 460 respectively

[scarlet fjord]

will you make the 183 balanced/viable
will the alpha be changed pls at least tell us if the alpha is changed 🙏
@lusty silo

[whole silo]

actually the kpz70 got some buff.......

First was turret armor, then dispersion, and now.... APCR penetration.

I love the kpz 70 and that's my dream tank to handle..... even now... i happy to playing it.....

I done on 3 - 5 k damage every single good games.

[final warren]

Guys read the announcement. He said he almost all of tier ten will be changed and will be disclosing the details at a later date

[lusty silo]

i also enjoy playing KPZ. We've touched it several times to be honest we're not sure if such significant changes are needed. For some reason tank performs fine despite no one think it's okay 🙂

[unique scaffold]

Give grille fully traversable turret like wt 😳

[torpid cloak]

You guys think amx 30b got buff or nerf with the 4 shell

[soft frost]

@lusty silo will long unchanged or previously nerfed tanks receive reconsideration ? Like many mostly thinking about E5, IS-4, 215b, Maus, Kranvagn etc
Imo, some of them are underperforming and slight buffs/changes can make them more competitive

[gritty jackal]

the RNG damage one

[nimble kestrel]

Buff the grille's gun depression to 7 degrees

[lusty silo]

183's damage won't be changed

[unique scaffold]

Factual balance wish list 😱 🥵
Amx 50B Clip 3 -> 10 🤩
Fv 215B Buff reload to 5s and make it medium tank 🥵
T100lt remove tracks it's too fast 🤮
T100E5 permanent adrenaline, reacfice armor and speed boost 😎
Maua -> gun at the back of the turret (too slow turret) 💩
183 -> stun the crew if you miss, can't be healed
Leopard 1 -> dmg 350 -> 600
Namaste

[lusty silo]

please, read this
#coming-soon message
and if you still have the question after that, let me know

[candid steeple]

I don't think FV4005 being able to kill tier IX in one clip be a healthy for a game. Just my opinion.

[fossil spruce]

give 268v4 e25 mobility. This will give WG more 💰

[ornate sigil]

I want this, perfectly balanced as everything should be

[fiery bloom]

@lusty silo I reckon we give the Maus a major armour buff!

Also a new Premium tank suggestion: You should add the P1000 Ratte to properly balance out the matchmaking and bring a new and unique tank to the game which would be totally balanced and in no way a problem at all!

[mental haven]

@lusty silo when u answer my question? Whenever I ask you a question you either ignore it or you dont see it.

[woven sentinel]

Missiles didn't affect tank stats either, the old Sheridan was balanced, but they were removed because the mechanic was just annoying to play against.
How is this different?
That is exactly my point! The missiles were removed because their mere existence changed how everyone played because suddenly most cover wasn't actually cover anymore
Now most sniping or active support spots aren't safe either and if you get caught, which is very easy to do, you have to sit out twice as long as normal just because a single tank line has a new shiny mechanic

[light ivy]

Before the 9.1 open test

[void mulch]

Fun fact is that kpz70 has lower DPM than Smasher.
Kpz 70 should be replaced with Smasher, or changed to a Tier X medium tank as per historical facts.

[ebon sierra]

4005. 4clib

[rain sedge]

Fun fact wg was soo desperate for money they didn't bother

[lusty silo]

Missiles didn't affect the stats. And we removed them because you guys didn't like the mechanics. Am i wrong?

[old notch]

Though on the subject of the sheridan, it's quite bad now that it's lost its missiles, so any plans on improving them in other areas?

[wide palm]

That is his point exactly, people in general do not like the 20 second spotting mechanic just like the ATGM mechanic of the sheridan.

[sudden drum]

@lusty silo when will the td class in t10 be useful?

[frosty swan]

Gib E4 360 turret ?

[unique scaffold]

You already have lights for camping

[lusty silo]

it was yesterday
it is today
it will be tomorrow

[ember gazelle]

I think those nerfs and buffs are completely useless, I think it's just a cover for the update, because they ran out of ideas on what to do. Fourth grenade to magazine 50b and fv 4005 absolutely bullshit, it becomes a Wot pc and it's not a good way. The T100lt doesn't need a nerf at all, yes the tank is good but the only thing I would do is a nerf on the front armor, youtubers point the tank terribly and repeatedly try to get the developer's attention. The E50m doesn't need any nerf or buffs, except that you could exchange heat grenades for apcr grenades like a chieftan mk x.

[leaden flare]

As soon as the avg player learns that sitting redline isn't the solution to everything

[lusty silo]

thanks. that's what makes me get up every morning

[prisma jetty]

I’m gonna guess the 4005 is getting around 420 alpha and the E50M is getting around 330

[charred comet]

Most likely it is the fact that people hate when their tanks get nerfed and love when their tanks get buffed, not because they want unique gameplay or whatever.
Well yes, but in an online multiplayer game, buffs and nerfs are always inevitable. With this changes, we want to make all top-tier tanks competitive and engaging, not just the limited set of them. So yes, to be honest, one of our goals is to make you guys to research more Tier X tanks and switch between them and enjoy different gameplay styles rather than stick to 1–2 favorites (that would probably get nerfed anyway and make you unhappy).

dislike these new mechanics because they are a horrible and complicated way to balance the game
Why are they horrible?

used quite extensively in professional tournament settings, which means that they are obviously stronger than the rest of tier X
Or it means they are more suitable for the very specific tourney gameplay 🤔 Before, some players used to take Tier VIII–X vehicles into Tier X tournament battles. Did this mean those tanks were stronger than tier-tens?

tanks of different tiers just get MASSIVE gaps between performance even though they are similar
As long as we have ±1 MM, is that really an issue? The gaps during the ±2 era were much, much bigger :)

I do not wish to insult WG or WG employees, I'm just giving my own take on how your policies like this usually go down. I'm coming into this with HIGH skepticism.
We do appreciate feedback, especially constructive feedback like yours. Thanks for sharing your opinion!

[dull raven]

enough about balance talk, when's ribble gonna get more days off???

[twilit flare]

could the 4005 possibly get the 183’s gun in the future 👀

[lusty silo]

why do you need it?

[silver sedge]

FV215b 183 Defender with 3 Shell Clip when? 🤣

[timid bay]

Any changes to the tanks which get the improved consumables (reticle calibration, improved engine boost, etc)??

[plain dune]

So by fine you mean outran by heavies 75% of time, not being able to run to cover fast enough, not having camo rating fitting its size (lower profile), having turret everyone can penetrate, hull armor capable of blocking only very low caliber t9's from upper plate unless you angle it, capable of defending himself like turtle on its back with awful dpm, think i proved my point here, i absolutely enjoy with it but it does need mentioned buffs to fit in current t8 to t10's games, cuz it can only bounce turret if you can get enemy to shoot on cheeks or on gun mantlet :/

[wide dawn]

I need a plausible explanation from the WG Balancing Department as to why they have suddenly jumped to the idea that they must start to kill the 50B.

[chilly ember]

well historically it had it, but then again, this game aint that historical

[ionic acorn]

buff t57 granates

[lusty silo]

so by fine i mean overall stats.

[native parrot]

ribble. buff bc please!

[soft frost]

@lusty silo just an idea for the future
You're the first to know that the community can be very divided and sometimes agitated over changes
What do you think of a feedback providing system for example through a forum? Something that opens for a week, where people can share their opinions
For instance, voting on a 1-10 scale the current performance of tanks, selecting the most underperforming/overperforming and make people vote for the stats that should be buffed/nerfed
Would probably be quite complicated, but maybe variations of this kind of ideas can be realistically used

[lusty silo]

yep, those invisible elfs fixing your track prove that 🙂

[fresh path]

y not 4 clips💀

[fiery bloom]

Hear me out guys, a better idea 💡:

Remove Tier 10. Problem solved 😱😱

[odd pendant]

😱genius

[lusty silo]

absolutely utopian idea...

[fossil spruce]

alexandra need rest. i think she plays this game 24/7

100lt is already a super good tank even with the less armor after 9.1 due to very low profile. please remove the special spotting mechanics

[rain sedge]

Fun fact wg never listened to the community unless we break them to the point

@lusty silo if 50b gets 4 shells t57 too, hell give every auto loader 5 shells for historical accuracy

[patent vapor]

WG, honest feedback i think instead of making each tank uniquely different in each aspect can you guys please balance them based on class and what each class is meant to do.

For example, whenever introducing a light tank into the game, make sure that they ALWAYS have the best viewrange and good mobility. However since it's a light they should ALWAYS have worse armour than any other tank class in the game which makes sense. Therefore, the least popular or whatever light tank should still excel in light tank categories and now be beaten by other classes

Same goes for heavies. Like the Type 71 (with the speed equipment) is basically a super strong medium tank. You guys need to balance heavy tanks like the Type 71 so that they ALWAYS, even the fastest heavy in the game still don't out manuver the mediums since they are meant to be faster.

A good example of this is the T100 LT. Personally, it is incredibly strong, has medium tank armour. The adjustments on the list are good, but it has medium tank armour and medium tank dpm. It's not supposed to have dpm since it's a light. It should be fast however.

Overall, you guys need to set standards for balancing classes. Heavies are frontliners and will always be capable of frontline activities. Something along these lines of basic guidelines for balance. I agree we need diversity. Tanks like the t95e6 are fine and they should stay that way (maybe it should be reclassified to a mt like on PC)

For the list of changes you've done so far, I think I speak on behalf of the community that you please don't largely change the vehicles that are balanced at tier 10. The amx 50B is very nice, doesn't need to be touched. Same goes for the t95e6. The way it is here it's neither bad nor good. @lusty silo ❤️

[wicked berry]

Imagine playing the game all day long without knowing what tanks exactly need to be changed 🗑️

[wicked sluice]

Its better for them not to be in the normal game😀

[frosty swan]

Gib vk16 5cm gun why not

[rigid crown]

Please return the acceleration performance to cute sheridan😎

[stray pivot]

My thoughts on the buff/nerf :
50B, 4005
Not too worried for the 4th shell and dmg nerf, cause i like to try new things
However the accuracy decrease on 50B i question it
E50M i haven't played that in a long time
T100lt fine with that
E6 is just a bufff

Edit : forgot, if they want to add a 4th shell they need to decrease the intraclip reload

[dull raven]

nah nah just remove all tiers, watch the sealclubbers rejoin faster than their dads leaving to get milk

[tacit pelican]

@lusty silo Although I love Amx 50b current stats but you don’t need to nerf it and add one more shell tho, maybe have gone too far

[candid steeple]

They butchered amx 50 100 mobility for some useless armor making it just a worse Emil I. Also they are now giving 50 B a turret armor "nerf" like it ever had it and accuracy nerf so it has 4 shells? I played 50 100 and 50 B because of the accuracy and mobility. Now they are changing it. One more thing. Unlike PC 50 B can't sit in open for so long to fire 4 shells. Sometimes even 3 is too much and you slap 1 or 2 and go back in cower. Now lowering it's accuracy and giving it an useless another shell just so it has to load longer after firing 2 shells and back in the cower. I don't think they play Amx 50 B line. Just trowing random stuff in to say we changed something.

WG when you did changes to 62A why didn't I see some compensation nerfs for giving it 2 more gun depression which made it low skill. Now nerfing tanks for giving it unnecessary buffs. I mean. This game honestly just needs a special consumables removal. So many tanks got nerfed because of them and are now underplayed.

[safe rapids]

That’s what WG is doing….
Every tank unique is better than full scale adjustments to putting all tanks into just a few classes/subclasses

[willow ocean]

Hi. Can you give the fv 215(b) 183 on AP ammo 1.150ªdmg and on HE 1.750 ªdmg? Im sure everyone would like to get bonked a little bit harder. Also historically the 183 had 1.750ªdmg on the hesh🤥

[lunar tangle]

Wargaming employees watching this chat:

[void mulch]

Replace with T95/Chieftain.

[fierce dirge]

How about Foch with 3 clip

[rare igloo]

Can the mk6 at least get a gunmanlet since its hatch is already weak af

[upbeat sphinx]

Hope obj 260 gets 55 km/h top speed, or at least 50km/h like the is7.
Its power to weight ratio is great, just does not get the speed.
Now after the balance of the e6 will get even more useless.

[wind flower]

does this mean 183 will finally no longer be the worst TD WR wise?

[umbral void]

Fv4201/T95 Chieftain aka the WoT chieftain that is cancer when it's hull down or the T95 Chieftain (t8 Premium heavy in blitz) that got 220 alpha?

[mighty lark]

Hi , pls dont forcing anymore those T100 an E50 M already enough strong , heavys start to be useless beside them !!!

[solid cairn]

Why would you even do this🤡🤡🤡 If you cant even balance tanks properly🤦🏼‍♂️. Tier X just needs some minor changes for outdated tanks like Foch, 263, Maus, BC etc.

[twilit flare]

I mean it’s great with the clip, but a second gun (183mm) would be interesting. to be honest it would be fun and unique for the tank to have both guns. 🥺🥺🥺

[wide palm]

Why are they horrible?
The problem with adding mechanics like ATGMs or tracer shells is that they are almost inherently unbalanced due to how they fit with the base game mechanics.

For example, ATGMs completely bypass the requirement to have a direct line of sight with your target (every other tank in the game needs to have it, the maps are designed around having it), and has no counter play at all, the most you can do is try to angle your tank but if the ATGM is hitting tank roofs that does nothing, and they have perfect accuracy to top it all off, only limited by how well the player can guide them, which admittedly used to be quite difficult but that is not an excuse for an inherently unbalanced mechanic.

Tracer shells can allow you to keep a tank spotted at very long ranges, behind bushes and in general deny the player the ability to reset camo, which is one of the key game mechanics. You do not even need to damage the target, just need to hit it, which just denies any possible counter play in the first place. Plus they are just plain annoying to play against, having to count to 20 seconds instead of the normal 10 to reset your camo.

[native parrot]

#surveys
MAKE USE OF IT!
Tell the balance changes there, if the community likes it, add it, otherwise, throw it into the garbage bin!
It's called surveys, like how in-game surveys are. But you make the surveys after its implemented, why not before ?
@lusty silo

[leaden flare]

Do you plan on asking like the top performing clans/tour teams over balance changes ?
My reasoning for that would be that they as they are putting a lot of time and effort into the game and are exceptionally skilled can judge pretty well on the topic on what would be very good or already op and usually tend to have a good sense of balance
They also tend to give decent reasoning and feedback due to their game knowledge

I know you can't balance things around these players entirely as they are far above the avg player but they can provide feedback that imo should be considered and that not just for new tanks but balance overall

[stable osprey]

Buff obj 263 engine deck armor

[lusty silo]

i respect your ability to make predictions having 10% of data... What stocks would you recommend to buy right now?

[fresh path]

that will like fv4005 stage 2 and the normal one combined together on a 4005

[soft frost]

I did realize, I would imagine you guys thought about similar ideas, but since ingame surveys are a thing I figured it could potentially be doable with balance changes too?

Actual question though, will there be open tests in the future for big scale balance updates

[fiery bloom]

Petition to let me work for Wargaming since my ideas are way better and like I can make the game very fun and very much fair for all, I’ll be adding the Ratte as my first thing and then we’ll remove tier 10 and add a tier 9.5 instead, maybe buff tier 1’s so they can compete against tier 9 and yea I can do a great job, vote me for wargaming!

React with ✅ for me to get my well and truly needed job #makeWGgreatagain

The people love me!

[scenic stone]

More like 320 for E50, same as the Kpz50.

[wind flower]

This is why we can't have nice things

[ember gazelle]

Tbh u are pretty cringe…

[zinc thunder]

Dont.

Just no.

[lusty silo]

when someone is trying too hard why do i feel weird?

[timid bay]

Will the tanks who have improved consumables change? (Reticle calibration, improved speed boost, etc)?

[frosty swan]

Too many Vodka ?

[fossil spruce]

wg balancing tanks make us feel weird too

[cursive wave]

balanced tanks feels weird too

[ionic acorn]

nope but XI tier hm

[wicked sluice]

For educational purpises😏

[lusty silo]

yep, that lasts 8 years and won't change 🙂

[dull raven]

@lusty silo ok something serious for once, will the sheridan get changed alot or just have slight changes to the stats?

@wind flower i don't even want atgms just for the sole purpose of no being bothered to learn how to gitgud at it

[wind flower]

ATGMs back?

[rare cradle]

v

[native sage]

2nd funni bonk meme tonk

[plain dune]

Ribble, i respect your work as WG member and ik you are superior in knowledge about some things, but i've been using kpf for a while now, yet on acc i got bit over 700 battles with it due to them mostly being fun gamemodes, around 300-500 in them i assume? But thats not point, i know weakness of kpf, where to shoot for what, what i can and cant penetrate, what i can and cant bounce and so on. But if heavy tank cant fight other heavies nor mediums, then why not buff it? So it stands a chance against others, mobility is big problem, too slow for a modern tank such as it, as irl it could reach higher speed, also stats on paper dont mean that they are same in combat, yes on paper looks okay, in game its different story

[covert edge]

Yea

[patent vapor]

I also believe that WG should do a large number of surveys on YouTube and in this discord server asking the community on what tanks need to be changes/nerfed/adjusted. We know the game better than anyone and we can clearly see what tanks are over performing and underperforming.

And on WG's behalf you need to see if the data matches what we all say. @lusty silo sorry for pinging again but in all honesty, when the M6 Yoh has nearly 10x the number of players and the 60TP has over 10x than the Fv215b 183 in the past 90 days and 7x more than the e5, something is seriously wrong with those tanks.

I'm not saying the M6 Yoh is broken but it wouldn't be incredibly over performing if every other tier 10 was nerfed and basically made statistically inferior to it. But speaking on the other hand, you guys wanted to change the heavy meta in the game, so if the old heavies can't be buffed, you HAVE to nerf the newer ones to a similar standard.

The problem I see is that your game balancing department is trying to make every new line introduced statistically superior to any previous tanks of its classes or its type in the game, which is a problem for overall game balance.

But I'm a reasonable person and I understand that you do this to hype up the community, to get more people talking and playing which is beneficial for your business. But there MUST be a balance between "introducing an incredibly overperforming tank" and "lets make this new tank being introduced super boring so it doesn't break MM"

[unique scaffold]

Ribble's having a hard time

[willow ocean]

I like the game as it is at the moment. Nerf some op tanks like t100 and buff some underperforming tanks. Thats all that is necessary imo.

[stray pivot]

When you say you're decreasing 4005 dmg per shot, it better not be lower than 400-405 or i'll be angry :D

[wind flower]

_>

[jade cargo]

ElFamosoNab#2918 has been warned.

[clever jay]

How about buffing old premiums

[wind flower]

you still have to be civil about your discussions guys

[scarlet fjord]

No?
💀

[candid steeple]

WG this is honestly my biggest advise or a recommendation. Making game simpler and for casuals will kill the game. Dividing tanks into certain classes and forcing them to play like that is just destroying the diversity. Look at update 5.5. No one likes it. All the tanks feel the same and no diference. No one learns anything. Just an aimless go forward. 5.5 is probably the worse update so far. WG if you want veterans still in this game having what to enjoy with playing leave the specific class to the side and make diversity. Your current approach looks to me like you making another 5.5 update of higher tiers.

[lusty silo]

WG if you want veterans still in this game having what to enjoy with playing leave the specific class to the side and make diversity.

looks like you guys don't need and want diversity...

[mighty lark]

If you give to AMX50B and FV4005 four (4) shell clips , then give to YOHM6 3 shells clips ( but with 450 alpha ) to be fair fight against them , cuz this way he will not have chance if have face hugs !!!

[gusty knot]

4th shell in 50b. You have all lost it

Rip 50b meta. No more clipping.

[nova raptor]

i feel like ribble is getting some sort of enjoyment from reading this chat ngl

[leaden flare]

The amount of stupid requests in here hurts my poor unicum brain to the core

[jade cargo]

𝚈𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝙻𝚘𝚌𝚊𝚕 𝚀𝚞𝚊𝚌𝚔 🇬🇧#2109 was muted

[void mulch]

Differentiation is good, but the result should not be something that messes up the previous environment.

[ember gazelle]

50b with 4 shells and fv4005 too, feels like a nerf

[umbral void]

Some answers No_Skills_Just_Luck provided on RU discord.

• expected -11 depression (STB-1) 😃 but I didn't tell you that! all you have to do is run)
• there will be no tank with EVERYTHING deteriorating (i.e. nerfed) in 9.1. Everyone has something buff + nerfs, or just buff - this is Rebalance. All tanks and numbers will be detailed later
  -e5 and 215b buff (statistics not stated)
• some other tanks not from t10 will also be buff!/nerfed but its few

[torpid cloak]

how much damage 50b gonna do with the new balance @lusty silo

[unique scaffold]

#buffKran

[silver sedge]

Adding the 4th shell with lower alpha is a good way to balance out the Clippers imo. So they have to be longer exposed in the open and other tanks have a chance to hit/trach them

[native parrot]

#buffKran #buffBatchat

[wide dawn]

They won't even understand that! They just cannot simply understand that adding a 4th shell without changing the interclip means you would have to sit out expose yourself for ~9 seconds to deal like what... 1080 to 1120 alpha maybe? First of all that's already a huge nerf there considering previously we could deal 1200 in 6 seconds man... To put the cherry on the cake, they are nerfing the accuracy and aiming time which was already perfect

Secondly, exposing yourself for 3 seconds longer means enemy ideally gets more chances to farm the tank out and by nerfing the already non-existent armor they are not only making it just less armored, but also more HE prone.

They have started to kill its unique farming ability and now this "armor nerf" just makes it even worse and considering its huge a** profile it has, this is just blatantly down bad...

Super consumables/specialized equipment as a tool to compensate for the nerfs done to tanks has always been the worst possible way in terms of balance. I, like you, am honestly very much against it and simultaneously also aware of the fact that none of the members of the balancing department have more than 0 iq.

[fossil spruce]

WG, please lock new players from buying high tier prem until they unlock the tier using tech tree tanks. It's getting harder to play high tier with many tier 1 skill

[mystic gorge]

Tbh I cannot think of worse changes to tier 10 than what has been shown. Nobody asked for any of this besides the T100 nerf. And some of the changes done to tanks like the E6 weren’t even the right changes. Idk what to say about this. Just a meme in and of itself.

I am all for diversity within the game. But simply giving tanks an extra shell within a clip isn’t a solution. Blitz has been struggling with the current clipper meta within pubs. The fact you can go into a game and get an entire team full of auto loading tanks by definition makes the game not diverse. And now you want to add a 4th shell to two of the most potent clippers in the game? Personally I don’t see how this betters tier 10. I hope I’m wrong in the long run

[night apex]

I still find it funny how tanks like the 60tp remain untouched.

[lusty silo]

true

[stable osprey]

Same for is7

[hardy cipher]

nerf obj268/4 pls... its so op

[lusty silo]

How will Bat Chat be changed btw?

[wicked sluice]

Its strong,not op

[lusty silo]

Will collector tanks be touched?

[rain sedge]

Funny how 60tp became easier to fight each month

[frosty swan]

5 clip
350 alpha
More hull armor

[lusty silo]

do you guys think before balancing tanks?

[wicked berry]

Do you guys think before balancing tanks, I return you the question

[deep shadow]

Yes. I even wrote out a whole list. I can’t write my explanations as I don’t have nitro. 😦 I think passive nerfs through buffs like what suggested would be better. I can send you what I suggest with explanations if you would like that. I gave 3 options too for people to choose.

[native sage]

This is chaos

[covert edge]

True

[exotic trail]

Neat.

[patent vapor]

Actually in all honesty, I hope you guys can make the BC 25T a medium tank here instead of a light. You still haven't added the AMX 13 105 yet and I think that can easily replace the BC's role better. Plus the BC actually has some armour I guess, so giving it a 3 shot 350 alpha guy would be very unique and fun. Although it would need to be nerfed in some aspects.

Just please don't make the amx 13 105 into a collector... like with the AMX m4 54. You had the potential to make an entirely new line but didn't. Add tier 10 collectors sure but can you only do it for the tier 10's that can't be added without significant tech tree changes (Like the version 4). With the 13 105 you could easily divert it from the BC 25t AP.

[scarlet fjord]

hey why dont u reload the clip on the 3rd shell and dont fire the 4th one it will be like before for you with 3 shells and everyone is happy 💀

[buoyant hill]

Why think ? When u can randomly do it 😎

[mighty lark]

I guess we can write here for another 2 weeks nonsense and still will decide WG and RibbleStripe what will be changed or not , so save our time !!! ( we are little mouse here , not can pee against wind , or you can do it but you will be wet for sure ) thanks !!!

[wide palm]

One thing to keep in mind about all these changes, especially the 4 shot autoloaders, these are not in a vaccumm, almost all tier 10 tanks will be rebalanced so you cannot exactly compare current tanks and balance to them.

With that said, 4 shot autoloaders in general do not sound like a good idea for balance due to the potential of 1 clipping tanks, which is not balanced in a game with 7v7. If we assume that 4005 will be nerfed to 420 alpha, going from WG's usage of the word 'slight', it will have a clip of 1680 damage, which if you high roll can hit 1900 or even 2000 with exceptionally high rolls, which would one clip lights, mediums and TDs.

[hushed pulsar]

How about reconsidering the Foch 155's AP and HE shell damage Nerf, and fixing the clip?

(médium damage)
AP 640 damage
HEAT 560 damage
HE 860 damage

I fixed the clip according to the damage and intra-clip:

DPM: 2920
Reload Clip: 21,30sec.
Intra-clip: 05sec.

[vapid quest]

im willing to bet they're gonna nerf the ho-ri pen

[frigid goblet]

@lusty silo i think maybe you can start selling some "common sense" crates with 4% drop chance looks like most people here need it

[stray pivot]

I feel like with the changes, 50B would be destroyed
Not because of the 4th shell, but because of the accuracy nerf. When i played it (according to my playstyle) i find it rare to stay still for a sec to aim, as i need to constantly move, therefore accuracy nerf would just worsened the worse

[jade cargo]

IJN Kaga#1942 was muted

[candid steeple]

I guess that's where your logic stops. 4 shells in a clip means more reload time for the clip. They are also nerfing the accuracy. So probability of you hitting is lower. When they say we don't even think about or unawares. Why do we even have this post here? WG answers look like they just put them here as a public entertainment and then ignore everything.

[ember gazelle]

Lower the time of between shell relload from 2.8 secs to 1.5 or 1.75. This is what makes this tank horrible in a lot of situations.

[zinc thunder]

What if they arent increasing the reload time?

(I doubt this)

[lusty silo]

they are

[river vigil]

The proposed changes rn look like a late April fools joke I’m not gonna lie.

[final warren]

I think this will be a great update, I'm actually really excited for it. A breathe of fresh air. The Type 71 will have two very different play styles, and it seems like they are giving tanks a more pronounced role. Right now I can use a general play style on almost all med/heavys and it can get boring. With this I might actually have to develop new and different strats for each tank, and to deal with each tank.

This also means those broken tanks will get rebalanced, so this will be a good quality of life update for the game. I'm hyped

@safe rapids Yes I do realize it's two different updates

[tacit pelican]

When I see Ribble announced this 9.1 rebalance message, which makes me remind of the nerf of e5,215b and kran

[graceful ravine]

here is my wishlist for the tank changes in that list + tanks outside that list, take this with a grain of salt, i am not a game developer but maybe some food for thought coming from someone who has played for 8 years and needs a gameplay shift on some of my favorite or more interresting tanks

[safe rapids]

You do realize 9.0 and 9.1 are separate updates, right?

[robust hull]

Just a wish - if any more news are shared in this channel, please share it on other channels so we don’t miss it

[soft frost]

Almost everyone (including me) is suggesting random things on the spot
Ribble confirmed open test is to come, then only is the opportunity to give constructive feedback
@lusty silo will there be efforts to make open tests more active? By that I mean, the only way to know about open tests is to be active in discord or on the forums. Maybe there could be a little announcement ingame so that more people can get involved

[real dirge]

The 215b getting a buff would be nice tbh, but that’s mostly because I enjoy the 215b

[lusty silo]

i think you should ask that in open test channel. There are people who run it.

[plain dune]

@lusty silo

[stable osprey]

Buff wz-113 traverse speed

[rain sedge]

How about all stop complaining and touch grass relax then live your life without blitz and have a nice family

[light ivy]

@lusty silo sorry for the ping but will fv215b's accuracy get nerfed?
Atleast give us a hint

[lusty silo]

by how many degrees?

[unique scaffold]

@lusty silo can u guys add Reticle calibration for Fv215b 183? 💀

[frosty swan]

Cmon guys
Why dont add ball tank
Kugelball

[lusty silo]

we can. Why should we?

[median cave]

4 shot clip on 50B 😳

[night apex]

it needs 500 alpha, 0.7 second interclip, 4 shell clip, tracer and tungsten, also needs hull armor like a 121b. (Joking obviously) Talking about the BC

[scarlet fjord]

FV4005 platoon 1680 x 2 = 3360
man thinks WG was defo high when they made that

@candid steepleit was a joke lol
guess thats where ur logic stops

[patent vapor]

You guys insulting the devs and mocking them for their announcement isn't going to help what we all want. Like seriously show some respect for the people who work to make this game possible. If you drive them nuts they'll just not listen to whatever we suggest and we both leave unhappy.

Those who are mocking them probably don't even realise that people like Ribble are only part of the machine that makes these updates tick. There's probably an entire team of 20+ people involved in this decision and Ribble is taking the beating for it.

Not cool. Whether or not WG make mistakes (admittedly quite big in some cases) if we all "Co-operate" together we can get Ribble to tell the higher ups that some of us aren't a bunch of immature individuals.

@lusty silo keep in mind the average age of "certain individuals" and their suggestions here 😄

[mystic gorge]

I want to remain civil here so please do the same my fellow players.

To touch on the changes being made:

T95E6- the only thing most players wanted for it was an on the move dispersion buff since that is its weakest area. Buffing dpm and making the turret cheeks weaker? Why nerf the turret cheeks if it still has the massive cupola?

50b- honestly idk what to say, having a 4th shell within a heavy clipper. So many things can go wrong. Either than tank becomes extremely toxic with people yolo rushing you and doing upwards of 1400+ damage or the thing becomes super boring to play due to the massive reload it’s going to receive to keep it “balanced” for the tier.

4005- a tank that has remained untouched (for the most part) because it was a hard tank to play but it did it’s job extremely well. With a 4 shell, it might kill the tanks purpose. Extra shell means longer exposure time. for a tank with no armor, that’s a lot to ask for. The interclip was said to be shortened on it but if it’s not on par with the clip time of the current 4005, it’ll probably be a worse tank

T100LT- thank you wargaming 🙏🏻

E50M- I don’t see how adding more dpm to an already stupidly good medium fixes anything. Lowering alpha and buffing dpm. So now you giving it an even stronger ability to yolo people?

For now that’s all the things I wanted to say. I look forward to the other changes coming and hope they are more in line with what the community wanted

I thank @lusty silo for allowing us to voice our concerns here.

[rotund skiff]

I concur

[outer radish]

I wonder what they'll do to FV215B 183.

[native parrot]

@lusty silo
I know a solution for the batchat problem 😄
forget about changing the dpm etc etc and stats
how about, you give it tungsten shells O_O (it's an autoloader, so one consumable is an extra repair kit, which could be replaced with a tungsten shell consumable instead)
Or reactive armour ??
tungsten shells would be sick, would be pumping up that alpha by quite a bit. (350-360)
this is a solution since it seems you don't wanna buff the batchat, because i feel tungsten shells are good consumables, or maybe make a new consumable?? for like frenchies? and then u could just remove AMX 50B 4 shells?
sigh please see this

[lusty silo]

appreciate that.
But it would be great if you made you conclusions keeping in mind that all tanks will get touched. Comparing 50B in 8.10 and 9.1 is simply useless, for example. You should compare it with other 9.1 tanks when the time comes.

[wind flower]

since we are on serious topics now. i had a question.
50b and 4005 are 120mm+ guns. their damage is getting nerfed. is it gonna be the same for other 120mm+ guns?

[final warren]

In my opinion, consumables aren't a way of balancing a tank. The tank should be able to perform without consumables. Doing this wouldn't completely fix the problem, it would just push it back a bit

[teal palm]

I do agree with the consumables
Feels like a lazy way to make a tank a little bit better for a few seconds

[lusty silo]

T95E6 also has 120 mm gun

[mighty lark]

I find the solution for relax of all this , GOING TO PLAY and you WG / RibbleStripe do your best to all be happy in game !!! Have a nice day all !!!

[cunning kindle]

Any plans to nerf hp of all heavies or increase hitpoints of tds and meds to avoid the 60tp spam that happened in tournaments like i asked above? @lusty silo

Again i know u dont balance according to tournaments

Basically i have the same doubt as mj, about the amx being a yolo tank that just clips and multiple of them can just clear tanks in seconds

[wind flower]

totally forgot about it

[neat crescent]

@lusty silo as mentioned in the coming soon channel, will really most tanks receive changes accordingly to the classes you had mentioned before? If so will this affect tier 10 tanks that haven't received any kind of buffs or nerfs whatsoever in a period of maybe years or months at the very least? Are there any exceptions, for example some recently introduced tanks?- 268 V4?

[hushed pulsar]

Kranvagn's buff a gun depression, -9 to -13 degrees

[dull raven]

you ever just feel like wg has a special theatre where they watch the community fight over balance changes and sell popcorn to their own employees

[fossil spruce]

krav already good. just need mobility buff imo

[light ivy]

@lusty silo sorry I messed up the question last time,
Will fv215b's accuracy get nerfed??

[terse cargo]

@lusty silo while we're expanding the clips for the 4005 and 50B, how about we do the same for the T69 and T54E1? They're meh anyway 🤓

[gusty patrol]

Buff Is-7 reload speed to 5s

[civic topaz]

They said that almost the whole tier is getting rebalanced. That means almost all of the tanks, not 1 nor 2.

[stone flame]

What about Sheridan? I mean since it lost the missiles, which is great it became more like a chunky light with high alpha. Even u said it got anti HE armor, people that got like a bit of knowledge can ezz pen HE and than sheridan is kinda useless again a grille or fv player rolling over 1k into ur mouth. Maybe just give it total anti HE armor, so u never have to worry about it again.

[leaden flare]

Hi End

[empty nexus]

I wonder what will change about the 5A. I’d love to see it match up to the quality it has on PC

[civic topaz]

Hi End

[keen lily]

hey wg, try making the FV215B good again but this time give it the super conq treatment

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/244094738481938432/972161922709483580/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/244094738481938432/972161910806024312/unknown.png

maker: Adamantium

[wide dawn]

Hey that actually makes the 215B cooler

[mystic gorge]

Although I agree with this notion of comparing the tank to its new update counterparts. The constant buff of dpm’s tells me this is more about fixing the massive Heavy HP Buffs we saw years ago and less about the diversity of the game. However I will take your word for it since over the course of many years the game has gotten better.

I ask a singular thing… will the OBJ 140 be buffed?

[lusty silo]

rebalanced

[robust hull]

And the community starves on news about the fv215b

Big hype

[deep temple]

Buff 5a heat pen to 330mm
Also if u guys don't want to buff 30b dpm at least buff it's gun handling

[civic topaz]

What's the point of asking such questions? They announced that there's going to be a change, they aren't going to tell everything regarding every single tank and all of its parameters

[candid steeple]

My reaction was stronger because of do you even think before commenting insult. I loved to play 50 100 before changes to make it more like Emil I. I no longer play that tank. Just is not what it used to be. It's just worse. I don't want to see WG forcing multiple tanks to be the same for the sake of WG saying this that class. That just makes the point of grinding different lines useless. Also game becomes more casual. Man the guy who said buff all mediums dpm and armor to be the same. I just don't get how far they go to make the tanks similar. I don't want similarity I want diversity but not an unhealthy one. That FV4005 buff. I once had a game in T30. FV4005 came to me high rolled 3 times and killed me with one clip. Fun experience right? Now knowing that tank will do it to even more tank just sounds toxic. WG should but they never take lower tiers in an account when changing higher tiers. Remember T1 and BDR armor buffs? Know any tier IV having fun time penning it frontal? T1 stomps lower tier but is butcherd by tier VI. That's a toxic design and on expense of lower tiers.

[native parrot]

is batchat getting changed in 9.1

[civic topaz]

If you guys have no constructive feedback at all, please don't post

[civic topaz]

It's likely getting rebalanced as almost all other tanks.

[night apex]

I'm curious to see what will happen to the kran/sheri,

[loud wagon]

NOT MY MK6

[nova raptor]

yea i'm really interested as to how they're gonna adjust shridan

[teal palm]

The buffs to E50M seems like a extremely poor decision
That tank in good hands is just about impossible to kill and now it’s getting better accuracy, more dpm although lower alpha, and effectively better standard pen as it’ll have AP instead of APCR
I can only pray to those having to grind tier 9

[supple delta]

I hope they don’t nerf the dpm of Leo 1 😳☹️

@stable osprey that’s why I love this tank… the dpm

[stable osprey]

Leo1 gun needs a rework, higher alpha, better pen lower dpm...

[leaden flare]

Im already looking forward to the changes they teased on Kran as it's as of now quite boring to play

Oh no the lunatics are back asking for Leo changes
Any lower RoF on Leo would nerf it heavily

[civic topaz]

Leo absolutely doesn't need those changed.

[robust hull]

The fact that we have to wait near 2 months to know about the changes is what annoys me

[umbral void]

The definition of "rebalanced" for me is both buff+nerf. Is that what you also view rebalancing as?

[civic topaz]

Some aspects get buffed, some nerfed. Wait for the final changes)

It may as well be a small or buff/nerf or none at all.

[wanton spruce]

This balancing is bad except for t100lt

1. 50b does not need to be touched one bit. It is perfect as it is and reworking , especially fun handling, will make 50b players mad
2. You guys buffed the wrong aspect of the 4005. All it needed was better accuracy so that it doesent have to stay in the open and aim it’s shots when it clips out because of the bad armor
3. 50m also didn’t need a buff/nerf. Like I said with the 50b, it is fine as it is.
4. T95e6 buff was ok I guess but you guys should buff the gun handeling on it too. Specifically the on movement dispersion and it’s snap shot abilities because it has bad armor. With a better accuracy it won’t have to reveal itself for a long time.
5. Have you guys ignored the 60tp? This is another tank, similar to the t100lt that’s performing way too well due to its aspects. I’m not gonna go specifically into the 60tp stats because you guys already know this. The 60tp is way too good for randoms and must be nerfed.

[scenic plinth]

They haven’t said the changes for all the tanks but they previously stated that all tanks will be rebalanced including the 60tp. It’ll be interesting to see how the rest of the tanks play out to be in the new meta

[unique scaffold]

yeah technically I would agree but no, not this time
This is just insult to injury.
NOBODY ever asked for a UI change - they sent a preview months before implementation and the community was clearly against it and what happened? WG didnt give a single flying *

They started with whacky addon buffs for some classes like yoh never being fully incapacitated or t100lt spotting for double time - did anyone ever ask for that?

People grind for years to get their favourite tanks and then WG decides to throw everything under the bus and calls it balancing

there was an outrage about the lowtier removal, i sent in 20+ pages of feedback from players, I have a pic where it was literally pinned in the WG office as a reminder and yet, they ripped the historic vehicles out of the game and since then didnt add tanks for tier V or lower since then bc apparently you are only allowed to play the game at Tier VI to X, everything below is not worth any attention

ppl spent hundreds if not thousands on this game buying tanks and stuff, we put up with the horrible LootCrate mechanic that is absolutely bonkers for a game that aims at 13+ children, and now they wanna ruin the balance yet again.
"hey we have the T110E5, a real nicely armored heavy with powerful gun and he got a cousin, weaker armored with neat weakspot and faster but same gun and it cost money to get. What if we first ruin the E5 to be practically useless bc its too slow with too low dpm to be valid and now we ruin the cousin aka T95E6 that filled the gap the E5 left and make USA hvys the total joke of the game"

and lets not forget the tournament scene that is(probably) training fiercly every week for (possibly) years and now can dump all of it into the trashcan bc WG ruins it yet again.

Im seriously fed up with these "We have an idea for future update" posts that can get a million downvotes but WG will do it anyway bc the community team seems to be just a fascade with no actual communication between players and developers.

Ive tested other games for Wargaming for over half a decade and EVERY single dam game ive tested has had a way like WAYYY better community team aka proper feedback analysis, voicechat talks with devs, balancing surveys, frequent testing, devs and staff playing the game properly(sry alexandra but smasher spam to stay above 50% is a joke) but yet for some reason WoTB has ingame surveys, discord surveys, streams and the community is almost every update upset about the changes because MS-1 ignores the feedback constantly

[rough parrot]

you are right but this is useless because they are not going to read it all...

[unique scaffold]

good evening babes, just gonna drop an idea here for developers to consider

gives tungsten shell consumable to VK 90

[light ivy]

It's getting worse accuracy, not better

[tacit pelican]

Buff the Amx 54, buff back the armour so she can Yolo straight away

[teal palm]

Oh yeah it is
Welp my eyes are broken

[night apex]

I can't tell whats a joke and what isnt, 😬

[leaden flare]

Not like the American heavys at any point of the game were about Armor
They always head fairly easy to hit weak spots negating their turret Armor by quite a bit and yet again

Wait for the full changes

The t95e6 doesn't need it's turret Armor that much if they nerf it for better DPM I'm going to gladly take that over unreliable Armor any day

[twilit crystal]

if batchat doesnt get 4 shells we riot

[indigo bane]

i don't know what you smoked while typing this but i'd like to try it too 😂

[neat crescent]

He ate some good candies

[wanton spruce]

Interesting

[brisk path]

T100lt nerf > thank you wg.
Now rebalance every tank since the yoh

50b getting a fourth shot
ah yes what could go wrong buffing a heavy clipper

E50m was already one of the best meds in the game, giving it more dpm just incentives people to yolo

4005 was always a interesting tank to play, 4 shots would likely make the tank unplayable as to the long exposure time and downtime

The only thing the E6 needed was a otm buff

Now for the serious part: wg please make the t57 go 60 with 600 alpha shells and 500 turret armour
Also meds should have 330 prem pen after the heavy hp buffs
@lusty silo

[silver raptor]

These tanks need buffs imo:
T110E5 (DPM & Accuracy)
FV215B (DPM)
Obj 140 (Armor)
Maus (Accuracy & Armor)
AMX 30B (DPM)

[wraith trail]

4005 getting 4 shells?
wargaming need to say how much the damage is gonna decrease to

[median cave]

Ribble said the single shot dmg would DECREASE how is everyone skipping over that

[tiny lion]

Did you read the post
Less damage per shot

[subtle vapor]

Bruh this, they shoud just leave this thing alone xD
This Will create chaos 🤌

[hardy cipher]

add the KRAN( DPM and Accuracy)

[soft frost]

Buffs for E5 and 215B leaked above, changes (??) For 140 announced
The rest ig we'll see when they release the full list

[unique scaffold]

nono u see they wanna nerf the alpha to make it balanced. So the 123mm gun of the FV4005 would have to get 300alpha(100mm caliber alpha, lower than even the Leopard PTa) to keep it around 1200 burstdmg, doesnt matter that caliber of the gun and its alpha have had a relatively fixed correlation since 12 years(since wot release)
MS-1 is just a 🤡 studio

[hushed pulsar]

need buff Foch 155 (damage & DPM)
fix drum damage and reload

[unique scaffold]

Something close to 300+

[wraith trail]

kran might welcome a bit more speed and some more dpm
we don't have to look very far to see how many people are asking for it, such as the blitz streams

[remote oriole]

I rather believe they will give it 400 alpha

[fading dawn]

This appearance has to be in the game if the FV gets pbr

[wide dawn]

hello haven't you seen droodles' video about raiding wg stream to buff kran?

[burnt venture]

I mean just from the info we have now, increasing overall clip damage is NOT good for the game. You have tier 9s and tier 10 meds and lights that barely have enough HP to survive a current clip of 1200, and a 4005 will almost clip tanks out from full. So increasing total clip damage would just be bad design lol.

You legit took away 4 shell autoloading AMX 50 100 cuz it was clipping tanks out from full HP but then somehow want to implement this at tier X. We are just getting closer to wot PC autoloader mechanics

@twilit crystal I asked inciter this and he says it was fine because when there was +- 2MM the gaps were even larger 💀

[hushed walrus]

T100LT doesn't deserves that nerf :D

[twilit crystal]

@lusty silo will tier 9 be rebalanced later to accommodate the buffs for tier x? And further down

[night apex]

2.5k is average damage on that thing
average
Tell me how its not broken when 2.5k on most other lights is considered really good.

[neat crescent]

Will tier 8 be rebalanced to accommodate the buffs to tier 10 and then tier 9?

[unique scaffold]

Inb4 they make 4005 with 1600dmg per mag and two updates later make it a special collector vehicle and remove it from techtree bc they then claim they cant balance it anymore and another two updates later its found in crates without charms at 70€/5crates with droprate 0.05%
🤡

[mossy venture]

I doubt they would give anything 1600 clipping potential, if they did it would already have been released long ago, why do people keep assuming they will get 1600 clipping potential, something around 1300-1400 would be more realistic

[plain wagon]

I think FV 4005 with 4 shells in a clip will make tier 9 tanks stand no chance to fight it, I honestly disagree with that.

[uneven narwhal]

It's legitimately stupid
By giving the tanks 4 shells, you're increasing the time required to expose inorder to put an entire clip in
You're no doubt going to be punished heavily for it and it's not going to be fun at all

It's no longer fun to play those tanks

• You'll get nuked because funny long exposure time
• More shells = more reload to balance the DPM which means you'll be useless for longer if you don't get the entire clip out
  It's frustrating to play against these tanks
• You get nuked in a short duration

Please
Do not ruin my 4005 and 50B
Do reconsider adding 4 shells....

[hardy cipher]

guys do you think the e100 is good ? I hink it needs an armor buff

[lean flame]

What do you think they’ll change about the TVP? I like it as is 🙁

[simple saffron]

T100 getting dpm and armor nerf is probably the best thing about this rebalance. Also E50M dpm buff? Hehe bullying meds gets even more fun

[hollow basin]

It doesn't need any buffs at the moment.

If there's a tank in the German Tier X that needs buffs is the Maus, it needs better gun handling, or maybe a reload time decrease.

Just enough that there's a reason to play it over the E-100 or VK-72.

[wraith trail]

I believe Kranvagn does need a buff, to get any one of these 4 areas
interclip reduction
slight speed buff
slight dpm buff
turret traverse buff
try playing the kranvagn and feel it in it's current state yourself

[raw geyser]

I’m quite sure the slow speed is there as a trade off for all its other features

[true delta]

Wg wtf are those changes to t10 just why

[balmy hamlet]

Tanks getting 4 shells is very interesting, it makes gameplay more committal. It's harder to make it work, it punishes you more, but the reward is greater for it. I'm curious to see how these new clips will compare to the existing 4005 and tvp.

[brisk path]

why did you thing wg removed 4 shots on 120 clippers

[silk hamlet]

its most likely gonna be somewhere above the 400s

[mossy venture]

its not even all of them, just a portion

[spare flame]

Why fv4005 nerf reverse speed? The tank is struggling to get into cover in time already

[plain wagon]

Will T110E4 get buffed? I want it to have a buff that It at least can be as good as T110E3

[neat crescent]

Time to research tech trees huh, for once I'm glad i own most t10s lol that way I won't need to buy em 😂 😂 🤣

[unique scaffold]

AMX 50B has a 120mm gun.. it cant go 370dmg per shot, thats 105mm gun alpha almost, the 50B is a HEAVY not a medium like STB with pew pew gun🤦‍♂️

[heady ore]

I would like to see the FV4005 with a 183mm gun that could be researched (With various nerfs, mobility etc)

[paper dragon]

Honestly I don't agree with the updates, the tanks are fine as is and don't need such changes, Maybe the t100 but 🤷‍♀️

[visual coral]

Since you say most tier X tanks will get buffed, 215b will get huge buff to make it playable? Right?

[burnt venture]

imagine if they just make all special consumables provisions and stuff available to ALL tanks
like all tanks have access to all mechanics and consumables but with limited slots 🤣
just turn randoms and tourneys into mad games, you never know what ur opponent is running. That is true "diversity"

Imagine you are playing your IS-4 with 9 deg gun dep, reactive, reverse tracks, 20 sec spotting, and gear oil but gets destroyed by another IS-4 running super speed boost, improved suspension, tungsten, sandbags, and reticle calibration.

You see Ivan, you can build the same tank drastically differently, that is diversity

[muted wing]

💀 💀 💀

[uneven narwhal]

Hmmm yes my BatChat with Improved Suspension
Gonna Tokyo drift around someone while dumping 930

[night apex]

Whether you’re joking or not It feels like its heading that way anyway

[unique scaffold]

Why tf they give 50b 4 shell and reduce single shot dmg

[outer flicker]

To try something he can be good or bad we will see

[mental haven]

4005's new DPM = 3875

gg guys

[silk hamlet]

wait i just realized the 50b isnt getting a damage decrease lmao my bad

wait it is nvm
i waited 10 minutes for this ffs i hate myself

[distant river]

WGs thinking is a big overhaul so these tanks won't be fine afterwards, so the change is needed. Because we can't see all the other changes let alone details, its difficult to judge completely whether these tanks will be too good or too bad

[umbral void]

1680 Clip with less than 3 sec interclip reload. Also more AP pen? And also keeping the current special consumables including the one that reduces interclip? 👏👏👏😐

@unique scaffold could be 380. T77 got 380 alpha with a 120mm.

[spice birch]

this is amazing news, tier 10 is really unbalanced as it is now

[covert nebula]

:waitwhat:

[true delta]

anyone knows how much will t100 be nerfed?

[peak pasture]

60/Reload = RoF
RoF x Damage = DPM

4005 :
60/17.20+3x3 = 2.29 (RoF)
2.29x1680 = 3847.2 (DPM)

[unique scaffold]

New Balance proposal - Leave tier X tanks as they are already okayish balanced
buff E5 and FV215b reload by 1.2sec, keep the rest
nerf 60tp glacierplate driver hatch armor and mg port on turret
nerf t100lt dpm and traverse speed
buff kravagen interclip a tiny bit but dont increase accuracy to keep it as a frontline brawler

or

Remove Techtree, put all tanks into crates, mix the droprates every month and make every vehicle a collector tank to increase the value with no indication why so. Progress is solely achieved by Battlepass that will increase in price by factor 2 and u will only get tier 1-5 on free battlepass and tier 5-8 only in regular premium and 9-10 only in extra premium for at least 50€.
Why just release only collector/premiums in crates when u can also release techtree tanks in crates?
Type71 in crates next update, 0.01% dropchance, Good Luck and Roll Out!

@umbral void T77 is a tier7/8 and not a tier 10

[plain wagon]

The second choice is so terrible, I want to see new japanese heavy tech tree. How can you even make this second choice?

[safe rapids]

Do you know what a joke is?
(At least I think they’re joking)

[unique scaffold]

What do u think about e50m change

[silk hamlet]

use the silly goofy equipment that increases gun dep/elevation

[true delta]

i don't get it why change 50b its amazing tank as it is rn one of the best tanks in the game, t100lt i understand why nerfed, e6 we will have to see, 4005 sound even more op, and e50m no idea why change but ok

[hardy cipher]

they have to balance the 140 guys, its horrible, probably the worst medium experience you can find at tier 10

[void mulch]

It depends on how the other tanks are adjusted.

[small crane]

Its not even released 🗿🗿

[burnt venture]

there are certain things that won't get adjusted though. Especially in this case, tier 9s aren't getting rebalanced. If you just take a look at the increase in clip alpha, that alone spells bad things to come

And I'm sure the other tier overhauls they've done in the past made tier 5, 6, and 7 VERY balanced kekw

[tacit pelican]

You know what WG , make everything can researchable like Wot PC tech tree and add this to the Soviet tech tree line. And buff every single tier 10 tanks so People won’t blame for it

[heady ore]

My god

[brisk path]

Add ebr and arty
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/753664053443821658/977219770330005544/IMG_8995.jpg
@warped grove if testers can't do 3k in the tank it means the tank is balanced

[spice birch]

t100lts, t57s are really broken

[true delta]

idk biggest scam ever

[safe rapids]

Ikr, they’re ruining so many tanks with these dumb nerfs that are apparently needed to balance out a buff.

[timid spindle]

Fv4005 with 1.6k clip damage

[scenic stone]

Did no one notice that they will also be increasing 4005 intraclip? 3.5-4s? Imagine sitting in the open for up to 12s in that giant box.

Edit: no wait, reduced, what, why

[umbral void]

Now you can read after edit 😌

[dense echo]

I'm glad that they are going to nerf the hull armor of T 100 LT but, I don't understand why they nerfed the turret armor of T95E6? Also when they gonna buff the cupola of Chieftain Mk 6? Cupola takes away the effectiveness of every single hulldown tanks. If you see my comment WG please buff some old powercrept premium, collector tanks

[rotund skiff]

“Inter-clip reload time gets reduced”.

[true delta]

cus chieftan is a pro tank ask any pro player and they will all tell you that chieftan is one of their best preforming tanks mine is too. its not there to be another one of those stupid hull down tanks that you cant pen if you want that play super conq

[mossy venture]

Why people always cry about change but when they get it they cry more. 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡

[safe rapids]

Chieftain one of the best Tier X heavies, when played right. If you struggle in it get good.
Or play something else like an SConq or Concept

[hushed crag]

chieftain is overrated,at least is for me

[outer radish]

Doesn't mean it's bad

[stiff bolt]

NERF T100-LT

[wispy bison]

this is wotb, what do you expect

[outer glen]

T100 lt dont need speed like ebr
Just nerf the armor

Lmao the guy below me u know that chieftain is faster and not fat(big) as superconq

And leo1 doesnt have turret like mk6 also not 400 alpha lol

[dense echo]

I have SC and I have MK6 too but, the cupola of MK.6 is so weak that HE can penetrate it! Now everyone knows to deal with hull-downed mk6 so with mk6 it is very tough to play against new bullies. MK6 is like Leopard 1. Glass cannon

[sharp saddle]

Chieftain is liked because it is a very comfortable tank to play. It’s mobile for heavy tank standards, has 10° of gun depression and quite an accurate gun.
Whilst I do not think it is one of the best tanks, it is quite enjoyable to drive and I do think it is in quite a solid spot and doesn’t need any changing at this moment in time

[graceful ember]

Hm, I like the direction WG is trying to take these tier X changes and yes I would absolutely agree that certain tanks need changes to make them feel more novel, but I don't think the changes they presented are quite what we're looking for. I'm hopeful that adjustments will be thoughtful and that we as the community will be able to have a level of say in the matter.

[true delta]

ok so ur clearly classic asia server nerd. first of all those are not glass cannons wtf, glass cannons are tanks like 4005 and grille where main thing about tank is gun, leo has insane mobility and best gun in the game so its again one of the best tanks ever but its made for pros, and 2nd chieftan as i said is not made to be another one of those hull down shits like 60tp you dont just sit hull down and let them aim at your weak spots. so stfu and get good

[sharp saddle]

Is it that hard to have a debate without attacking people?

[unique scaffold]

Can we refund legendary camos we bought to tech tree tanks?

Asking here since the 50B changes dont sounds anything id like

[safe rapids]

Yeah let’s not insult people based on what server they’re from @true delta tone it down a bit

[ornate warren]

I just got an eye on the latest new, and bro if they reduce anything from me once again without giving something good, I am doomed.

[shut solar]

I agree tanks like the t100 needed changing, but seriously the rest of these changes are totally unnecessary

[wispy bison]

wotb community 🤩

[hexed pebble]

I thought the 4005 was decently balanced ngl

[dense echo]

I asked for buffing the cupola of mk6. It should be penetrable but not that easily. A little bit troll so people will have to take their time to aim. Like T95E6 cupola. It is big but troll. And why you judge people so quickly? Does your behavior makes you look smart hmm? Be a gentleman please. You don't know me and you don't know my stats

[true delta]

i was not attacking him cus of country but of server, as we all know asia server has the most bots by far

[silk hamlet]

oh boy racism/serverism again

[unique scaffold]

instead of balancing those tanks, just rework the side armor of the vk72, and turret checks, and the dpm, and lower the frontal lower plate, even the vk45.02 have more side armor than the t10, why adding more shells in the 50b and fv4005, its the most annoying tank to get hitted, now, the 50b will deal 1600dmg and fv4005, more than 1800,now what, add the waffentrag e100 in the future, really...

How rebalanced E5 again like nerf the pen so it becomes unplayable to the ground like kran

[tacit pelican]

I kinda agree because Asia server they do messed up all the times

[granite moss]

No matter how much we try to tell u to stop this "rebalance" u will still do it anyway because u dont listen to ur players and never will
Just like when u nerfed the other tanks (maus is4 e5 kran etc) im sure everyone was going crazy to tell u not to do it because not a single one of these tanks deserved the nerfs like seriously did u even think too much when u said "lets nerf FV215b its too op" the literal worst tier 10 heavy became even worse after u nerfed it, it legit had NOTHING interesting to it and u take the only thing good about it which is the gun
Grinding for a tier 10 had already been uninteresting ever since that nerf no one even plays these twnks anymore like tell me WHEN was the last time u saw an is4 a kran an e5 or an fv215b, fv215b was already unpopular to begin with
Now with this "rebalance" tier 10 willl become the most pointless and uninteresting tier to grind
I will legit just grind them just because they look cool

[ember gazelle]

May I ask what the hell is that? Trough light line its more expensive.

[graceful ember]

XP changes based on what modules you do or do not have researched.

[prisma jetty]

There are “intended” paths and “wrong” paths through the tech tree. If you go through the “wrong” path, you need more experience

[pseudo bobcat]

Wargaming on their way to ruin the game yet again.. I wonder what's going through their balancing department head during the 9.1 "Imbalancing Update"

[true delta]

Well clearly i know since not a single good player will say chieftan or leo are bad

[dense echo]

Before you judge someone check their stats first but, I don't even recommend you to judge anyone because no one cares & your insulting words won't make anything better but worse! Don't try to ruin the peaceful environment

[stable osprey]

I mean thoose stats are for tooning, you can see from the low average damage

[unique scaffold]

maybe they will make bigger maps, or making 10vs10 or more, but if its not the case, what is the point of playing t10 or the game at all, this game really pissing me off, good players will now struggle, i m already struggling even if i m a good player with more than 67wr 2800+ avg dmg, no more wot blirz for me...

[uneven narwhal]

Funny how EU has more bad players than Asia but okay buddy

[outer glen]

Lol 🤌 🍿

[fiery quiver]

theres a lot of things about the meta that are clearly focused around letting premiums or newer vehicles be more competitive (CONCEPT, 60TP) like honestly the 215b and is-4 never deserved a nerf and while theyre still playable they will never be as good as like a chieftan or a concept and with the type 71 coming out i mean i cant blame wg if they want to make more money this way but tanks like the is-7 despite all the buffs will still feel a little powercrept

[scarlet bridge]

add t92 hmc and make it 240 km/h and 300 mm armor for every side

[midnight linden]

Add obj 279(e), buff the T-22 medium side armor to 100 mm, give 907 wotpc armor, add the waffenträger E-100 in crates, buff 60tp and give bat chat 390 alpha because screw it (:

[prisma jetty]

Just because there are bots on Asia does not mean that all of the players are bots.

[unique scaffold]

Buff Kranvagn devs it's really useless to other HT's

[shy berry]

Im gonna unarmor your T10

[granite moss]

Incase no one saw my message

[unique scaffold]

motherfcker what? excuse moi, you literally lack braincell and deserves these kinds of tanks, go properly watch people on how they play these tanks. fckn moron

[pseudo bobcat]

Good news for you, with the new Buff to AMX 50B, we no longer see the purpose of the Kranvagn so we'll remove the Swedish heavy line from the tech tree in update 9.2 🤡🤡

[worldly gust]

New buffs and nerfs make no sense imo

[wicked sluice]

Well you are not qrong

[silver sedge]

No abbreviated insults please 💀

[glossy phoenix]

dont complain, now it’ll be harder to take 6 60TPs and yolo push one side in the first minute of the game

[unique scaffold]

In update 19.4, the kran, is4 and fv215 will get their old stats, and will get no more buffs , that's enough news for today, also, all the other tanks will get buffs 🤷‍♂️

[brisk path]

youre literally proving his point

[unique scaffold]

4 shots in 50b :/

[mild dawn]

I wonder when will the update goes live, probably 2024 💀

[uneven narwhal]

^
I certainly won't deny we have very weird players making questionable statements
But it's funny when you accuse a server of having the most bots when it's the case with your own server.....

[graceful ember]

To those of whom that actually want a civil and intentional discussion regarding these changes, what would be some adequate changes to actually balance tier X and restore novelty to some perhaps less exciting vehicles?

Edit: this is not to prove or publish "this is right, you are wrong" kind of opinions. Just an open ground to voice personal suggestions so please take this with a grain of salt.

[distant river]

Lol so many people that think heavy meta was balanced then saying "but why don't WG listen to us we are right"

The closest we've had to balance was before the hp buffs, and even then it favoured heavies 🤦‍♀️

Currently, the only heavy that needs any buff is the 215b. All of the others are average to far above average tanks

VK72 was average before tungsten, it needs no buff @unique scaffold

[midnight linden]

Remove super consumables 🗿

[remote oriole]

If you want to restore balance revert the past three years. If you want novelty, cut the amount of tanks to about a fifth at most

[fiery quiver]

or stop using super consumables as a crutch an excuse to stop putting effort into balancing tanks

[prisma jetty]

Buff underperforming tanks and nerf overperforming tanks. Getting each tank as close to a 50% wr as possible is what will make the game as balanced as possible. When each tank is equally useful, it then comes down to players skill to win games

[raw geyser]

Super provisions as well

[neat crescent]

Time to sit and wait for these changes, I'm hoping there's some kind of balance from it or at least workable 😔

[true delta]

ok mr 19 games how about this?

[unique scaffold]

when we(players) will get informations about every nerf/buff?

[wide dawn]

Not attacking but continues to attack, what a hypocrite

[dapper epoch]

Will the amx 50b do 350 dmg per shot or. . .
Would be painful as I just grinded the tank
385 dmg

[unique scaffold]

its no needed to get tugsten shells ik, but its only making the side weekspot more armor and lowering the thickness of the lower plate like 175or less and adding more armor on the side armor weakspots, and the tank will be better, i m just proposing

[dense echo]

You guys got no chill. Always busy to find negativities to feel better. Calm down your soul buddy. BTW, from where you get the info? That's your opinion but, I rarely play platoon. Even I skip platoon missions! I'm a solo player. Even if I make that stat by platooning then what is your problem? From a long time I have seen in the game you guys are toxic and even in discord, facebook community you guys got no chill! Why always argue without any logic? Focus on making solutions not the problems. This will help you in the real life too!

[distant river]

Yes it will make it better. That means it's a buff, to a tank that needs no buff...

Oh and btw everyone, stats are meaningless when discussing balance. I can have awful stats and have good proposals, or have great stats and have bad proposals. If you need to attack someone's stats to "prove" your point then your point of view is probably not a good one

[graceful ember]

This is not the place to compare stats and argue over petty matters guys. Keep it on topic and civil.

[drowsy bridge]

This place should be renamed to everyone insults each other and compares stats to feel better. Channel

[violet citrus]

it almost feels like the Tier X changes are the least used topic rn lol

dude under me reacted thumbsup on his own opinion 💀

[unique scaffold]

a german super heavy tank that isn't blocking dmg like an e100 or a maus.

And what your saying about stats is true, i ve good stats in certain tanks, and trash stas in other stats, i agree. But there is always someone that is raging for stats,losing wr,.. i m this kind of person , because i wanted to join good clans and flexing, nowadays, idc and everybody should do the same

They said, "some changes:" its means that is not only those tanks that will be "rebalanced" they will be more, like tvp, bat chat,...

[languid grotto]

Painful rebalance. Tbh, WG should stop rebalancing tanks that don’t need rebalanced. T-100 is understandable.

[unique scaffold]

you don't know what will change to rest of the tanks

[dense echo]

Remember recently MK6 was sold? I bought that that tank from recent offer and played 19 battles in random match and pushed rating points with it in the rating battles. That's why it is showing 19 battles

[next quail]

Give tvp 50 50 autoloader clip that work as an annihilator lol

[lean siren]

183 has some lacks in its dispersion… back in the days it has had a wonderful one !! #183lifematters 😂😂😂

[neat crescent]

Give 183 a triple shot mechanic with 560 alpha !!

[distant river]

It's not blocking damage like those tanks because it has a different playstyle, much more passive and second line rather than frontline. It does this well and that needs no change

[hidden fox]

I love the proposed changes, especially to the fv 4005 and the well needed one on the t100

[worldly gust]

WG be like

WG: How do we Balance every tier 10

That 1 Guy: Let’s give every tank special consumables

WG: Your a Genius

[neon hazel]

t100lt just needs an armor nerf, its dpm is fine

[vital basalt]

Why 4005 gets penetration buff lmao, it already has 280mm pen with Ap

[pallid nest]

Problem with wg balancing is that they tend to overbuff or overnerf tanks and change characteristics like devs that havent ever even played with the tanks they change...

[left condor]

Buf maus

[ionic kraken]

It's probably gonna have the 120mm damage of the Concept 1B

The tanks I hope get adjusted/buffed are as follows:
E-100 = Buff the turret armor on the front and sides, at least enough so when you angle it, gold shells couldn't butter through your sides or front altogether, make them at least 50% less likely to pen an angled E-100 turret.
Jg. Pz. E-100 = Give it more HP, but nerf the dispersion, make it more a frontline TD, while leaving the camping role to the Grille.
215b = For the love of the Queen, give it functional armor.
FV4202 = Give it more reliable turret armor, just like what the 7/1 got, but probably nerf it's dispersion or something.
T110E4 = Give it a turret buff, so it would at least survive longer if it gets shot at.
M-VI-Yoh = Nerf it's 3 shot gun reload to 16 seconds, buff it's 2 shot gun reload to 18 seconds (for a little more diversity, cuz the 3 shot gun has a bit too much of an advantage in reload)

[unique scaffold]

needs no buff, maus is fine, if its for the hull or the turret, you need to know how to angling tanks for blocking dmg

[neon hazel]

lights: poor armor, good dpm and velocity. meds:balanced armor, worst or same dpm than lights, and worst velocity

[plain wagon]

Hey hey hey, take those words and put it back into your mouth, you clown.

[tacit pelican]

I disagree, that LT is so annoying to deal with if you ask others opinions

[acoustic narwhal]

This entire channel is burning to the ground, i love it

[earnest crane]

its true tho

[scarlet bridge]

add tungsten into vk90

[nimble zodiac]

No.

[thorny quartz]

OMG you still arguing about upcoming update 9.0 and changes , you need to chill and wait what will be changed actually , they know they work , not will listen some kids for sure who not know how things going by technical parts of game , let them do they work in peace , we will play still no matter what will change ,you addicted by this game like myself 😂

[prisma jetty]

9.1*

[ionic kraken]

Still waiting for the STA-2 to be added 🥲

[twin egret]

Yuck, I'd rather a gun that includes HEAT and 210mm HESH than turret armour

[quick lichen]

Where are you getting that from?

[uneven venture]

Didn't the AMX 50b recently get a lower turret armor buff? Is part of the upcoming change simply a possible revision to return it to a previous status?

Also, the aim time and accuracy nerfs on the 50B I am sad about. Every accuracy nerf I have experienced in tanks I enjoy playing (eg obj 263, Maus)makes them significantly less enjoyable to play than armor, speed, reload and/or alpha nerfs. And doing this to a tank with weak armor is going to significantly reduce its performance in game, regardless of playstyle and extra clip damage.

[quick lichen]

That doesn’t even make sense

Why bother lowering the alpha from 350 when it’s a standard 105 lol

Plus that would also suggest all mediums with 105s should experience the same

[tawdry condor]

Dude its Wargaming, don’t question why, it’s coming anyway, and this is everything you need to know

[quick lichen]

I like the idea of 350 for 105s, 310 for 100s and 420 for the 121

[hidden fox]

Guys remember, there is no use comparing 8.10 tier X tank stats with the one ribble announced for 9.1!
And if u wanna understand why they are doing this, head to #devs-answers as they gave given an explanation of more diversity in the roles of tanks
So just chill for the moment 😂

[topaz granite]

If we assume that WG is going to give 4005 four shells that do 400-420 each instead of 460, we get 1600-1700 damage total within 6.3 seconds (this is the 4005's regular intraclip combined with shell reload boost).
Don't forget that the reload for the entire clip is still 17-18 seconds.
If they decrease the intra clip reload of the 4005 to say 2.8 or 2.5 seconds, you can do 1600 damage in about 5-6 seconds using the shell reload boost.

[quick lichen]

#devs-answers isn’t even useful since they haven’t posted stats since last year

According to that, is4 is still the king with the maus lol

[silk hamlet]

cant wait to clip tier 9 lights and destroyers lol

[mossy venture]

If wg listened to what everyone said and tried to be a crowd pleaser, u know people still gonna cry, legit nothing will change,people will always cry regardless of what wg does, so wg just does their own thing and the players can adapt or go cry.

[neat crescent]

It was really the AMX 50 100 turret ring that got buffed, as for AMX 50b it's was the upper part of the turret, just slightly and enough that 183's HESH didn't butter right through it

[pseudo bobcat]

Bruh are WG srsly just gonna release the 9.1 the way it is?? Aren't they supposed to test their idea first like any other sane developers?? Why are they gonna release controversial updates without anyone's feedback??

[lofty mist]

You guys cry too much. Why not just wait and see what happens before you pass judgement and starting moaning and groaning.

[scenic stone]

Hey, be fair, I skimmed it while on break :v

[twin egret]

Ehehrhhnmn I really have no idea how to think about this... it's so weird... are they trying to make WoTb have more WoT PC aspects? I know for a fact that there are several meds with a 105mm gun and most vary in alpha. I think the E50 M on PC deals 380 or something

[quick lichen]

390 for most 105/

[elfin wing]

They have said:

Share you feedback in #tank-balance-discussion

It can be the reason of the comments.

---- (addition/answer)
Your previous comment wasn't detailed hence you were addressing all of us (who have said their opinions). As long as it contains a bit of reasoning, each feedback is important (at least as important as yours or mine).

[neat crescent]

For PC they could have less DPM but higher alpha in blitz they want the opposite

[lofty mist]

Nah I don’t care if people have opinions but it’s the people who just come in here moaning about how wg has “ruined the game” when they have barely released any information. Idk it just seems stupid to complain about stuff like that when information on what is actually happening is incredibly limited.

[acoustic narwhal]

Sadly they're already working on it(and already announced it) So there's no coming back, those changes will be added one way or another. And when they add it they can't just revert it all back

So basically, we're screwed either way

[wicked quest]

Almost no one uses their subclass system and most agree it’s a stupid idea

[pseudo bobcat]

I don't think saying "In 9.1 we'll rebalance all tier X tanks" And "The AMX, 4005 will receive 1 extra shell and the E50M will gain DPM but lose alpha and accuracy" Is considered "barely" Any information my dude...

I mean they alr said what will happen to those tanks explicitly

[burnt venture]

It's not stupid to complain when WG has a terrible track record when it comes to this kind of mass balancing. Just look at the horrible state that is tier 5, 6, and 7 balance. The gaps between the tiers are larger than ever.

And then there's the new balance system that WG uses to do these kinds of blanket balance changes, where tanks are essentially forced into certain roles. How can we trust that WG is doing what they say when their entire system of balancing goes AGAINST the point of "diversity"?

After the new balance system, which WG says they TESTED on tier 5, 6, and 7 at first (cuz those tiers are obviously so balanced, right?), was implemented, balance changes at tier 8 fixed almost nothing: tech tree tanks got a few buffs here and there, but then we also got really stupid buffs like T54E2 and WZ-122-2 traverse and the game-changing SU-130PM accuracy buff as well as buffs to numerous other premiums that NOBODY WANTED TO BE BUFFED.

And then there's this next announced update. Yes there isn't a lot of information, but what does speak VOLUMES about the kind of changes coming is that they are touching fundamental characteristics of tanks that were well-liked by the community and haven't been touched in literal YEARS. And doing this to ALL tanks, including many old solid favorites like the AMX 50B, is really stupid.

There's no reason to touch random tanks that were well balanced and well-liked and change up their playstyle, and the precedent of frankly disastrous blanket balance changes to lower tiers as well as the crap system they put up for "new" balancing spells disaster for top tier gameplay. There is EVERY reason to complain.

[elfin wing]

But they got a solid ground via saying that. Just like decision/regression trees in machine learning they divided the tank groups/types and set mini groups so that each comparison of ours can be deflected (via saying they are not under the same group). Also tanks from different tank types can be under the same group, at certain cases they can easily say "tank types are the reason of that difference".

I don't support that, don't get me wrong. But it is a good defensive move imo.

[ornate token]

I just agree with the T95E6 buff, that tank was asking so hard for it

[mental pasture]

Idk why adding a 4th shell for 50b. Who asked for this?

[ionic kraken]

So you'd rather have a pennable turret and easily killable gunner, just to not lose some accuracy?

[wicked quest]

What’s the difference between long support and sniper though or dreadnaught or stormtrooper not only do these roles feel and sound unfitting there’s a incredibly small pool of tier 10s to even categorize them in the first place does grille fall under long support or sniper? What about the 4005 or hell Wz-113 or 268? Maus is obviously a dreadnaught but it’s universally agreed it’s a front liner so why is stormtrooper a thing?
Hell cavalry is literally just mediums and half heavy is fat meds these terms have already existed in the community for years and when they try their hand at it they managed to get it wrong

This wasn’t targeting you specifically rather there weird idea of tank types

[elfin wing]

I did say it is a good defensive move and i did say i don't support that. Please before pinging someone (who literally has #dontpingme in its name and didn't ping your earlier message) read the related message carefully. I am not your target, thanks.

[chilly ember]

So what you’re saying is basically we have to stay exposed for longer to put out around the same dmg?

[ornate token]

I just think the good change for tier10 could be having 4 bullets for 390 damage on the 4005 and a little more turret armour for the 4202, also and obviously better mobility for the FV215b, to make it more like a medium/heavy tank it would be fun, please DON'T TOUCH the AMX 50B, it's good as it is rn, please don't touch that tank, please also DON'T TOUCH the E50 M, it's also working as it is, about the T-100 just nerf a little it's armour and it's dpm, take off that 20 seconds spot mechanic and tier10 would change for good. ALSO please announce when you buff and nerf tanks, because just what you did with the E100 (Got a little nerf) and IS-7 (Got a big buff) was wrong.

[unique scaffold]

They can’t nerf premium tanks 😂 or ppl are gonna be asking for refunds and it’s gonna turn into what the 8.8 and the super P did on Pc

[ionic portal]

I think they are giving it 320 alpha just to be on par with it's P2W version the Kpfpz 70

[quick lichen]

What a terrible decision to make

[quick lichen]

Exactly. Removing the ability to trade effectively or just “less well”

[queen stag]

Lol nice patchnotes for 9.1 wg, i guess thats what the playerbase wanted 🤡 🤡

[twin egret]

Sounds like a skill issue if your main focus is trying to absorb shots if you're plsying that tank.

The FV4202 isn't a hull down tank with armour nor is it meant to played like one like the STB-1 is played

[ionic kraken]

OK, now's no time for arguments, I just stepped on a damn rusty nail and it went through my shoe, into my foot

[ornate token]

At least force mediums to shoot heat into it to pen it would be a good change ffs it's so weak

@pseudo bobcat I was talking just about the turret and yeah, it's the weakest turret for a medium in tier10

@twin egret Sure sure so the skill issue is about low skill players u right, that's why we see often the tank in tournaments, also is top high performing overall going above the T-22 for example, just like the leo 1 yeah you right mate I was so blind.

[strange solar]

Don’t touch the 50 B right now it’s perfectly balanced in the meta right now there is no need to change it it’s already different from every other auto loading heavy play style and is balanced and the fv215b heavy needs its original dpm back and a speed buff and so you can do that take off the bs consumables that never should have been put on the vehicle.

[pseudo bobcat]

I don't get which part of 220mm HESH pen with 440 alpha in 7s and -9 gun depression is weak..

[unique scaffold]

Well you see, its not super op thus making it bad i guess?

[twin egret]

I think you're playing it wrong or you're facing bad players. Skill issue clearly.

@pseudo bobcat it has -10 degrees which is like, amazing

@ionic kraken get a Tetnus shot as soon as possible

[dapper osprey]

i think this patch with overbuffing tier 10s will make like 5 tanks valid just like the e5 meta, it will be very boring and lackluster to play in. i hope for the sake of comp and pubs some of these buffs don’t go though because the idea of most mediums and lights getting almost one clipped by a 50 b seems brutal, as well as the dpm buffs to the e50 further pushing tanks like the 30b and leopard to irrelevancy.

[jagged crescent]

I feel like better discussion would be viable if there was more info about the pending changes for the rest of the tanks

[lapis shadow]

I’m just laughing that WG are planning to give the 50B and 4005 a 4th round lol

[vital grotto]

What don’t make sense to me is nerfing the T95E6 turret cheeks. The cupola already makes the tank a easy target even hulled down.

[shrewd tree]

If someone ever tells you there’s no right or wrong to opinions you can just pull up this discord channel and show them some of the playerbase suggestions to balancing

[ruby dagger]

What just happened??

[solid scaffold]

imagine new 4005 with intra clip boost active kek

[ornate token]

pew pew annihilation

[chilly ember]

Bruh rip 50b

[mossy pollen]

gosh, all WG had to do was nerf heavy HP pools a bit and nerf the heck out of the T-100 LT and pubs would be a thousand times more playable. All WG wants to do is buff, rework, buff, buff, buff some more, rework, introduce OP mechanic, buff, rework, minor nerfs. START NERFING STUFF, PLEASE. OP STUFF NEEDS TO BE NERFED, NOT REWORKED.

[frail silo]

the devs gotta earn their paycheck somehow

[remote oriole]

Grind - music balance. Like work life but in game

[unique scaffold]

I once again,just rebalanced E5 turret turn speed.
that tank literally unplayable until now rather than kran or IS 4

[jade cargo]

Kani#3881 was muted

[dapper osprey]

i think listening to the players this time is the correct decision

[short ginkgo]

For the T95E6, is there really a point to reducing the turret cheek armour when it has that massive tumour of a commander’s hatch on it? I get with the higher mobility it makes sense for less armour but it’s already got such a massive weak point already

[scarlet fjord]

Are there updates on what other changes will come apart from what's posted in #coming-soon

[ornate token]

Based, in this way the game will have a longer life

[hearty steeple]

They mentioned that almost all tier 10 will be touched. Probably closer to 9.1 release tho when they release the changelogs. But we'll get to know what changes are there when the open test is available ig

[quiet meteor]

Can we get any actual hard numbers? I am intrigued in a good way by the proposed changes but I would really appreciate some numbers.

Also @chilly ember Actually this could put 50b into the meta. Imagine it gets like 350 alpha and 4 shells. If it’s clearing a 60tp with 2 clips it will definitely be meta. Only superheavies will be able to possibly tank two clips.

[winged barn]

Hell yea, more shots are gonna get trolled by noobs shooting a moving target and constantly switching where they are aiming

And giving it a higher top speed and more dpm is very, very heavily invading medium territory, and the 95e6 is already perfectly workable.

[real bison]

ANOTHER DPM buff for the E50M?

was dropping 300 dpm to be a more useful Leopard not enough?

[plucky cove]

also T-100LT got nerfed in dpm, hp, and armor because it got buffed in TERRAIN CAPACITY.

i might switch back to Vickers Light after that.

[final warren]

They are nerfing stuff. Read the announcement, it's not a simple rework or buff / nerf. They want to change how all the tanks interact with each other.

@plucky cove It had way too much dpm and armour so that's not an issue. HP isn't really gonna change how a tank plays so that doesn't matter much either.

[fast ibex]

It didnt really make sense in the first place. The role of a light is to be very fast and spot tanks, while the mediums have the best guns to be able to brawl and fight. The T100 has everything...needs a nerf

[paper shell]

WG, that show more than enough

[ornate token]

I really hope they also nerf it's 20 seconds spot

[hasty badger]

only thing that make sense in that post is the t100 lt

[jagged crescent]

drastic balances are not the play WG

[ancient kindle]

Yup

[small vale]

just buff the kran

[thin oyster]

Only thing that needed a change was T100LT and Maybe the e6… why the 50b/4005 rework? Its literally one of the highest performing tanks for pro players

[rose star]

Is 50b going to deal 1400 damage per clip now?

I think that would be rather extreme if it was the case, two 50b could take down a maus with one clip each

@hearty steeple

[twin egret]

Probably, but they also stated they would lower the alpha damage of both tanks

[final warren]

They are reworking the whole tier, not just those listed. So it's hard to predict how a tank will perform in 9.1 without the full picture. We only have a tiny bit of info

[hearty steeple]

Probably near 1500 if anything. The thing is we have no idea about by how much stats are being changed. 50b alpha will probably be around 370-380.

[uneven kestrel]

I really wanna see grille get camo buff and sheri get standard ammo buff

[remote oriole]

WG already knows to not listen to the players when it comes to balancing 👀

[brittle bobcat]

If they nerf 57 heavy the way they nerfed 50b I'll kill myself

[paper shell]

WG Never listen to the players…

[glacial nexus]

I hope wg buff the kranvagn, it's one of the most horrible things I've played in tier 10

[rose star]

But the thing is, autoloaders already have a Very clear role that does not require a change, yet 2/5 are exactly them. This wont change a damn thing about their strenghts or weakness, just an excuse.

Also I am very worried, as this is just a sneak peek. I am genuiely frigtened about the idea of something similar happening to other tanks after I have seen this

[empty flint]

Fr tho, T10 isn't the issue, it's mostly T7-8
Why don't you go balance out the Smasher a bit WG
It's a collector after all, so that isn't against your policy

[thin oyster]

WG are changing reworking tanks that are fine, only the t100 need a nerf and maybe e6 buff. Altho we dont have the exact stats, you can atleast guess whats going to happen. 50b will get a longer intraclip and its reduced avg dmg and accuracy will affects its performance

[rose star]

I feel like some changes are unneceseary but I do not disagree with them, since I have no idea by how much and if they are final

[paper shell]

This WG

[stone drum]

WG buffed the frontal armour to 150mm along time ago they are reverting to the old 100mm like it should be.

[final warren]

yeah I'm scared that wg will butcher it but I'm in a cup half full kind of mood right now so I'm hopeful lol

[scarlet fjord]

Honestly I will wait and see what changes they will make on the entirety of the tier maybe WG will implement the most balanced tier 10 so far where TD's are back in the meta and have diverse and unique playstyles obviously this is ideal scenario and unlikely but nothing is impossible
Except If they screw around and ruin my 183
That I won't let slide

[lethal drift]

please make 183 have accuracy boost consumable..and dont ruin e50m with that nerf

[sage lotus]

I just want either a bit more haul armor or more depression angles for the Obj. 260.

Not a nerf by any means, it's a tank that it's a bit forgotten.

[stone drum]

Well ironically WGs balance changes for french heavies have arguably made them more accurate and better interpretations of the real life versions.

[neat crescent]

Yes'nt

[woven harness]

Are you mad? 183 has been ruined for years ever since they nerfed it ages ago. If anything that tank will remain untouched, perhaps a rework if wg feels nice

[scenic galleon]

Wg please, stop trying to fix stuffs that aren't broken.
Fix stuffs that are broken instead.
Yes, t100lt needs an armor nerf because it's a light tank & it's not supposed to block shells.
Apart from that, there is no need to change major characteristics of tanks like 50b, fv4005, e50m etc.
If there is a tier 10 tank that needs a lot of rework, this is definitely the fv215b which is an absolute joke right now...

[uneven venture]

I mean, this will put the playstyle of the 50B as way more distinct from the t57 and the yoh, which is a good thing. Harder to hit shots sure, but capable of getting larger hp targets out of play if used a certain way. I will see how it goes, I suppose.

[stone drum]

50 100 in reality appearntly did have a 200mm thick front turret, and did weight around 54 tonnes, and in testing consistently reached 45kph.

[burnt venture]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfTanksBlitz/comments/uuahzs/the_amount_of_clown_decisions_wg_makes_is_slowly/

[tame forge]

yeah it had practically no armor and was basically a fat medium

[stone drum]

Thats dependant upon which time period you evaluate it in. If you view it in the context of 1945 and WW2 its armour, mobility, and armament are quite impressive, conversely if you evaluate it by late 1950s standards its armour is somewhat irrelevant, and its mobility and firepower are not particularly impressive.

[tame forge]

Its turret was at its thickest a 45mm plate. pretty OK hull though

[slim geyser]

Maus gets sandbags + reactive and t57 gets the 4005’s intraclip consumable when

[scenic apex]

Dont forget 183 needs reticle calibrator and enhanced speed boost

[thin oyster]

I agree 🤣

[stone drum]

Actually its turret reached a thickness of 200mm frontally, im not sure where you found the number of 45mm, considering no surface of armor plating was 45mm thick on the AMX 50 100.

[tame forge]

according to the official blueprint of the tank it had 45mm

[scarlet fjord]

The tank is literally fine for having that gun it's impossible to balance that broken gun it's broken if it pens at least
I get 75% wr in it often sometimes 80
And 3k avg dmg but very low wn8 under 3k even tho I Frontline I almost always ambush already spotted targets and HESH them which is partially the reason for that
It's the tanks playstyle very high skill ceiling the tank is fine if ur good I don't want them to change it because they would need to nerf the alpha or the HESH pen to make it any stronger otherwise its toxic
Tbh right now it's still toxic it has 1300 alpha 242 pen and 4000 DPM if I remember correctly without adrenaline if u flank a couple of heavies with speed boost you will do an insane burst of damage within 16 seconds and u can pen heavies frontal with HESH while breaking down like 5 modules in 1 shell

[elfin herald]

I think they should just give the 4005 the 183 gun option.🙂

[ruby monolith]

The comment above you is arguing with somebody about the 183 being unbalanceable and you want another one?

[stone drum]

which tourelle? If you are referring to the AMX chad m4 you would be correct, however the AMX 50 100 in its final iteration had 200mm thick frontal turret armour.

[main tulip]

chad m4? 🤔

[neat crescent]

AMX m4 49/54 whichever one they're talking about it's either of those

[stone drum]

It was the prototype of the AMX 50 100, the turret of which is what we have in game. It was similar to the AMX 50, yet different in that the suspension was slightly different, it was initially armed with a 90mm gun, and its armour was drastically thinner.

[zenith tangle]

Bruuh what is wargaming doing……… they are changing tanks that dont need changes, they should instead fix tanks that are broken like the 215b, the obj 140 or some other tank,
I would agree that the t100 would need an armour nerf but thats it, the other tanks that they just wanna change is unnecesary. Or they can just leave t10 as its and not change anything.
The balance department should instead focus on the t7-t8 tanks

[rough vapor]

OnO FV4005 is gonna become like the WTF E100 in WoT PC (but nerfed)

[solid wasp]

The tank never was tested with spotting mechanic and it never was live without it so how do you know this?

[sudden drum]

The spotting mechanic has impacted other tanks, especially TDs making them even more useless than ever

[mortal falcon]

Late to the party, is there an estimate to how many tanks will be changed by the future balance patch? And will collectors/premiums/enriched tanks at Tier X be affected in the upcoming balancing patch?

Additionally, for the "new balancing approach" that you and the rest of the WG team has been taking - are there plans to perhaps share a bit of insight into how balancing decisions are reached? For example, by displaying charts of Tier X vehicles relative to performance of tanks in similar categories. Even just listing out what tanks are in what categories would be immensely helpful.
I also feel that leaving a small blurb explaining the reasoning behind changes to a tank/group of tanks would be immensely helpful in increasing player base trust and transparency during balance patches. Often, just listing changes without explanations for them can be confusing, as we are left in the dark about the decision-making process that led to seemingly-random changes. Many other online games, like League of Legends, do this, and I think that it is immensely useful in understanding and accepting balance changes.

Example: "We felt that the T-100 LT's combat abilities were far too powerful for a tank originally designed to be an aggressive scout vehicle, so we decided to nerf its DPM while increasing its mobility, emphasizing its scouting role on the battlefield." (I have no clue if this is the reason for the changes, just an example)

Finally, I just wanted to thank you for taking the time to deal with all of this - when it comes to balancing, the community often is pretty ... interesting.

[winter zodiac]

T-100 LT needs its reload nerfed by like 1.5-2 seconds. It’s completely unrealistic how fast it can fire for how small the turret is. Also yeah u need to nerf the hell out of the armor profile.

[twin egret]

I feel quite concerned with what the changes could be. As it has been said, the E 50 M will receive a boost in reload speed, yet the alpha will be reduced. I don't know how to feel about this change, in fact, I feel though if this change were to happen, the E 50 M would feel quite abnormal for what it is. A quick firing 105mm, with armour nearly that of a heavy, to me it just doesn't make and sense and feels wrong. The E 50 M in my opinion does not need a faster reload, otherwise it would feel as if it has a pea shooter. I'd rather it have its reload lengthened, but its alpha increased. An alpha of 370 sounds justifiable. Though, this is my opinion, and hhve not tested nor seen any gameplay of the new changes. My views are subject to change however, I hope they become positive rather than confused

[mortal falcon]

I honestly feel like the current E 50 M is fine as-is; it is very strong and competitive while still maintaining a unique gameplay style and not being blatantly overpowered (T-100 LT). I'm honestly unsure of why WG decided to change it, but I suppose we can understand more when the full patch notes are released.

[hidden fox]

@wicked quest Dats why they are implementing changes baised on the sub class system in 9.1...

@paper shell, it just shows the skill level of the player base
Still comparing 8.10 stats with 9.1

🤦‍♂️

[rocky briar]

Bit late to the party as well, but while I disagree with majorly changing tanks that are already clearly defined in their current roles, I'd like to remain optimistic in the changes to how tier 10 functions, maybe all these new changes can give us some fresh new Gameplay in tier 10 without directly adding a new tier 10 tank.

I'm not saying I agree with the current changes that I see now, I'm just saying I'm willing to hear Wargaming out on the balance changes(all of them) before I develop my whole opinion

[mortal falcon]

People consider the subclass system to be flawed because it has seemingly not produced results, as shown by meta monsters like the 100LT and 60TP emerging from it. The lack of transparency surrounding it - we don't even know what tanks fall into what categories, how many categories there are, etc. - does not help either, and I think that many could come to terms with the system if Wargaming gave the playerbase a deeper look into the balancing process/reasoning.

[lone sandal]

E50M does NOT need a buff, especially when compared to obsolete tanks like amx 30b.
The E50M is already a very solid tank, having great mobility, reliable armour, an accurate gun, and an alpha to trade with other meds, making it perhaps one of the best, if not the best brawling meds in T10.
Reducing its alpha and accuracy for more dpm and higher pen is like, the best trade off the e50m could've gotten. I mean, it's a brawling tank, having more dpm will be more valuable than having a higher alpha ; I can't really have a say on the accuracy rn though, it depends on how hard they'd nerf it.
Regardless, the e50m buff is undeserved. It's already strong, it doesn't need a buff, other tanks need a buff over it (for starters, 30b)

I do love the t100lt nerf though ☺️

[mortal falcon]

poor 30b, i honestly forgot it existed

[winged barn]

Didn't even go back to 3.h8
Smh

But wow, you really spent a ton of time on that

[willow ocean]

Just let the 50b and fv4005 as they are PLS! They are good and balanced as they are. Also they are unique. There is no tank you can compare to the playstyle of the amx 50b or the fv4005. I dont understand why they need a rework. If you want another 4 shell autoloader like tvp then add a new one. Dont touch the reliable favorites of many players. I doubt that its going to be an enrichment to the game.

[burnt venture]

there weren't any articles on 3.8 on wotb website lol

[winged barn]

F
They have hidden their attempt to add timers and spare parts

At the same time adding 374 heat

[oak depot]

Hey guess what, if you think the 4005 isnt broken as it is, we'll give it 1600 potential dmg with standard rounds! That's totally balanced, right?

[zinc thunder]

Buff is-7's premium rounds but maybe nerf its side armor as that thing is annoying to fight

[pseudo bobcat]

Idk which part of rebalancing the whole tier 10 landscape sounds like a great idea, if they wanted to do it at least put it into a test server 1st before straight up implementing it in 9.1

[errant plover]

Hi everyone, thank you for taking the time to read my own opinion on the upcoming changes in tier X. Please take into consideration that this opinion is strictly based on the thousands of games players/ skill with each tank and game mechanics.

Starting off with the AMX 50b, it is already a great tank AS IT IS but I am interested in the 4 clip (lowering the alpha damage for a 4 shot could be beneficial depending on the outcome of the battle), I am not too worried about its armor being decreased but I am more concerned about its final reload time, as we all know blitz is a fast paced game and having a reload exceeding 20 seconds can be quite a pain.

FV4005 is a big tall tank for what it is, having a 4th shell does make it interesting but not sure why this tank should be touched at all. It really seems like they are balancing all tier X tanks for bigger maps/ more mechanics to come/ better places for tank destroyers to sit without being seen by a passing light/med tank.

E 50M is already a great medium tank with its unique playstyle, I do not see the point in increasing its damage per minute and slightly decreasing the alpha damage. The tank will most likely be more fearful with its faster reload and with combination with its good armor, we shall see what Wargaming has to bring to the table to counter it.

T-100 LT is too good in its current state, not only does it have its own spotting mechanic of 20 sec (doesn’t even need to penetrate the tank to activate the effect). Too fast but I like the idea of nerfing everything except its speed so it makes the playstyle harder but more rewarding for its spotting. The current version of the tank is just too strong, the tank makes some medium tanks useless.

Here comes the most controversial change for me, I’ve always complained about the cupola of the tank but nothing else really bothered me. Having weaker turret armor on a tank with a cupola bigger than russia does not make any sense unless they decide to remove it which could be a fair trade if we get better gun accuracy and speed. I would just cut off the cupola and leave the tank as it is.

I would like to thank @mystic gorge for the format idea and great statement on the upcoming balances.

@lusty silo If you do end up ready this maybe after a whole year + maybe it is time to buff the Obj.260’s frontal armor as I've been arguing about it for many months. Nevertheless I am quite excited with new balance changes wargaming will bring to the table, and hopefully doesn't destroy the tier X.

[balmy fractal]

their play style is already different

[solid scaffold]

260 is a heavium, pretty much a t10 IS-8 and it is balanced for me

[mystic gorge]

What you think is balanced doesn’t supersede what is actually balanced

[drowsy mountain]

would the leopard 1 get changed @lusty silo
the E50M would get more alpha, and the dpm would get better
I feel like the leopard 1 just doesn't have its specific power right now
I think the leo can get more alpha too?

[worldly gust]

I never thought that WG would do a worse job a balancing tanks afterwards then doing it in the beginning

[slate apex]

Why change apcr to ap in e50m?

[granite moss]

No matter how much we try to tell u to stop this "rebalance" u will still do it anyway because u dont listen to ur players and never will
Just like when u nerfed the other tanks (maus is4 e5 kran etc) im sure everyone was going crazy to tell u not to do it because not a single one of these tanks deserved the nerfs like seriously did u even think too much when u said "lets nerf FV215b its too op" the literal worst tier 10 heavy became even worse after u nerfed it, it legit had NOTHING interesting to it and u take the only thing good about it which is the gun
Grinding for a tier 10 had already been uninteresting ever since that nerf no one even plays these tanks anymore like tell me WHEN was the last time u saw an is4 a kran an e5 or an fv215b, fv215b was already unpopular to begin with
Now with this "rebalance" tier 10 willl become the most pointless and uninteresting tier to grind
I will legit just grind them just because they look cool but i will not play them, i will leave them to collect dust or use them in training rooms and if someone wants to do a tier 10 platoon I'll just simply pick a tier 9 i will refuse to touch any tier 10 after this horrible "rebalance"

[rocky briar]

The 215B I wouldn't say was the worst before it's nerf, it was a nice niche Heavium that sacrificed armor for Great mobility and DPM, alot of people loved the combo + the special Consumables it had, the nerf killed its main little niche role

[pseudo bobcat]

What I'm most afraid of is that the changes cover all the Tier 10 and I might find out that the tanks I used to enjoy playing will no longer be of interest to me and I might quit playing tier 10 entirely ;-;

[neat crescent]

Makes it a better med.

[granite moss]

Im sorry but the only good thing i found in it was just it being almost impossible to kill while face hug 1v1 if the guy doesnt spam gold
U can legit go face hug something like a vk 72 and he wouldn't be able to pen u the hull was troll turret is vary strong and cupola is very hard to hit even at fave hug because the actual spot u can pen is small and yet u can just raise the gun up
And u can pen the vk 72 very easily in the turret 215b already has a good standard AP pen without calibrated shells but with them the pen will be good enough to pen vk 72 turret with AP and the dpm will be enough to melt the vk 72 before he can do serious damage

[burnt venture]

New update bad. Me no like new update. Pls no update.

Maybe WG will understand if I speak as simply as possible

[sturdy cobalt]

Me no give money if update

[rocky briar]

Why are you finding yourself in scenarios where you have to Facehug vk72s all time time?

When I played it for it's role(flanking and finding farm scenarios or Medium Bullying) I never found myself in a Facehug and even if I did I had mega speed and Adrenaline to out trade them

[upbeat sphinx]

The 260 goes slower in top speed than an Is7
So it needs some change. 7 degrees of gun depression would be nice, I wouldn't like a change to the Armour, but an increase in top spee.

[granite moss]

When did i say i always face hug a vk 72
I was giving an example

[main tulip]

260 just needs to be kinda troll armor wise, rather than complete paper l ike it is rn

[solid scaffold]

better P/W ratio, better reserve top speed, better traverse and better dpm
this thing is fine as it is, it doesnt need a buff. But IS-7 definitely needs a nerf
Not to mention IS-7 barely reaches its top speed, and 260s top speed isnt necessarily low either

[rocky briar]

When played correctly you should never find yourself in a scenario where you actually Facehug a vk72 or any other heavy for that matter so why is it such a big deal that a Heavium doesn't particularly fare well against more specialized Face hugging heavies like the IS-7 vk72 etc

[full token]

With the new changes it’ll be interesting to see tanks with 4 shell clips and high-ish alpha unlike the TVP. But I feel there’d also be some tanks that would end up at broken levels if WG doesn’t realise the value of certain stats over others. Atleast it seems they’re willing to touch collectors and premiums though

[mystic gorge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/748997162158784552/977450779910758400/4005.mp4

So just some food for thought. This is 4005 now in double platoon. I look forward to even bigger clip potential 😂

[gaunt coyote]

Haven't played much to begin with. Suppose this was the final nail to blitz coffin.
Devs more or less been implementing as much random stuff as possible for the past 3 years in terms of consumables and now since most tanks have been rebalanced around the consumables and now rebalancing them all since ofc why not.
o7

[main tulip]

am I the only one who loves the sound of these changes

[nimble zodiac]

No -_-

[deep temple]

Day 2 of asking for 30b Buff on gun handling/dpm

[slender latch]

Maybe the Foch 155 will get its 640 alpha back on the autoloader and single shot gun, also Ho-Ri T.III might get 640 alpha buff?

[rocky briar]

I hope the Ho Ri doesn't get an alpha buff, that much pen with that much mobility, camo and troll armor.

[jagged crescent]

Hori is fine as it is. Jageroo might get buffed tbh

[thick rover]

I'm just open minded and wanna see how it turns out, kinda exciting to see the changes too. Not sure if I'll hate the changes in the future 🤓

[vital basalt]

T57 should've been get 4th shell instead of 50B but we'll see, they only revealed some things

[quaint frigate]

Yeah i agree, it needs some more armor on cheeks

[sullen copper]

We can get a small buff to Obj 268's gun stats tbh

[leaden vortex]

Maybe people should wait and see all the changes before throwing the dummy out the pram,my question is ,are the tier 10 collectors and premiums getting changed as well

[main tulip]

Nah the way I see it, T57 is meant to be able to unleash its damage faster, and having to fire a 4th shell would hinder that

But I wouldn't mind either tbh

[mild dawn]

you're not alone 🗿

[viscid breach]

Vast majority are unlikely to be changed, other than some that are underperforming that might get a minor buff. Wargaming don’t like nerfing premiums / collectors for the sole reason that it could put someone new off of buying a good premium / collectible “because it could be nerfed in the future”

*I should say that is just how I understand their reasoning behind it.

In response to craig_theborderfox below, whilst it sounds good in theory, overbuffing a premium / collector can cause serious issues to the balance of the game. As they don’t like nerfing premiums / collectors, if they buffed one too much they’d cause massive issues. PR nightmare all round. People calling to nerf the tank as it’s ruining the tier, and when they finally caved, YouTubers running round screaming end of the world as they nerfed said overbuffed premium / collectors vehicle. It’s a fine balancing act

[leaden vortex]

Yeah I get that but imo there are a couple that if it was up to me I would make better and then make them a better buy and more attractive to spend money on gold to get them

[covert gust]

More pen for Ho-Ri, better side armor for IS7, bigger damage for 183!!!!!!

[sterile sapphire]

I actually am looking forward to these changes. Higher clip size on 50B yeah why not. maybe go out of your way and give the batchat also 1 or 2 additional shells, would be fun to see. this variation in tank Playstyle really would be great to see. Maybe you could adjust the clips with 2 different guns like on the Yoh, so the 50B has the normal autoloader and the enhanced. I like to play the batchat AP with 4 shells since that's fun. That would kinda open up new strats and ideas and I'm all for it! Sitting around with almost every tank in the garage and having the stale gameplay that it is now annoys the s*** out of me but these changes might force players to break old habits, get creative and I really like that! Please do that on T8 just as well, so people can have a more fresh gameplay over there as well!

[outer glen]

Yeah sure make the 183 HESH shells deal 2k avrge dmg
Now u got a oneshot killer

[ember gazelle]

If leo 1 gets nerfed I’ll delete the game.

[unique scaffold]

Wg pls no

[wide dawn]

I mean we can already see the change for the T95E6 in #coming-soon

WG themselves said they will be introducing changes to almost all tier X tanks, save for only a few recently launched ones maybe.

[lone sandal]

I won't be surprised if they nerfed the leo 1, I'd honestly be more surprised if they buffed 30b's dpm to smth relevant or at least make the hatch very troll

[red prism]

there is no reason to nerf the leo 1 , but idk how wargaming will do such a rework without breaking t10 matchmaking

[river anvil]

I don't wanna stretch things out, but, the changes are unnecessary on the tanks mentioned, just buff the 215b k thx bye

[unique scaffold]

Im looking forward for the E50M buff
I wish they could just nerf the view range instead of the alpha and accuracy

Reply¹ the E50m only has 3k dpm so its not broken enough or OP its in the super strong category
@stuck acorn i can hear myself all the time so dont worry

Reply² @stuck acorn and no need to be toxic like my friends do
Im just looking forward to the buff thats all

[lunar niche]

I just hope leo 1 doesn't get super consumables as a buff or turn into a pea shooter.

[stuck acorn]

do you even hear yourself? E50M is already broken. It doesn't need a buff at all. I hope this alpha and accuracy nerfs will be big enough to compensate for WG's stupidity which is not needed at all buff for this tank

[unique scaffold]

Yo has the server shut down

[frail silo]

that is literally a buff 💀 💀 💀

[uneven narwhal]

I'm all for judging the update after all the patch notes have been released but after you've told us these 5 changes, I really don't have high hopes.....

[hearty sparrow]

WG, pls don't go ahead with the new proposed tier x changes, all you need is to give the t-100 lt a nerf

[dapper epoch]

Apcr shells fly faster than ap

[wide dawn]

AP shells have better normalisation angle

[winged barn]

Except no, they don't.

The actual difference is the normalization. That is a giant buff.

[neat canopy]

poop crate with 4th shell? Oh no 💀
I guess its gonna be a td meta

If tanks like FV4005 and amx 50 B get 4th shell, tvp isnt that special... Please, make it special somehow again, like it always was. 🙏
Like yeah, mobility good, but tvp should get more than being special in mobility... It always had more shells... It should be buffed if they do this to amx.

[winged barn]

Mobility?

Yes
Top speed
The only thing that matters with mobility apparently

[true delta]

50b goes 50kmh tvp goes 60 while 50b has much better everything so there wont be almost any reason to play tvp anymore

[frail silo]

that is only top speed

[void mulch]

Why are you comparing medium to heavy? No matter how weak heavys are, tvp is still weak.

[haughty marsh]

4th shell, are you kidding me ?? , guys , who comes up with this changes ?? forget having your employees deciding on the balance changes, just ask any of the professional players , first of all which tanks need changes in the first place, and what those changes should be , because sorry, but your employees responsable for balance seem to do some pretty random and weird changes ...

[lone sandal]

if therers no reason to do it

wg will do it

and tvp isnt weak

[neat canopy]

That is why tvp should deserve some love and get buffed 🙏 🥺

[hushed lantern]

Ever heard of the fv215b?

[neat canopy]

I dont think we can rescue this one from being forgotten, tvp is gonna fall if amx outclasses it like that... representing my country, no hate to british tonks...
but yeah fv should be buffed too

Fv is a dead tank, almost nobody plays it... it feels like forgotten.
I hope for these 2 to get buffed

[full token]

Have to wait for all the other changes. They said nearly all have been changed. I think it’s unlikely the FV has been forgotten, or even the TVP

[odd yoke]

I’m not sure about the 4005 change, adding another shell means it has to stay out of cover more

[lone sandal]

i love how we often ask for 215b and 30b buffs
Then wg changes the 50b and buffs e50m

[amber hazel]

They did say they changed basically every t10 so you don't know if 215b or 30b werent too changed

[lime swallow]

so they're gonna do all these changes and don't even touch tanks which need actual changes like the 140, 30b, 215b, t110e5?

[wide dawn]

Omg they said they will balance almost all tier X tanks, just wait for the full list of changes to be posted bruh

[hybrid bronze]

i love to see all these people complain about these changes 😂😂😂

[acoustic narwhal]

Can't people read? ALMOST ALL tier 10s
Yes there's a chance they won't be buffed, but it's very slim

[hybrid bronze]

your favorite Tier X might not be good anymore, but you will find another Tier X that you will like

[rare igloo]

Aim lower plat with prem

[lime swallow]

Sheridan :D

[hybrid bronze]

i have already read the changes and im excited about it, cant wait 😁

[quick lichen]

Most all of them are terrible choices… but okay

[west musk]

i play it, it isnt the worst but i do agree that it needs a buff on armor if not then at least reload or top speed

[final warren]

I thought the TVP was special because of the inter clip reload. 4th shell was never the special part for me

[tropic pilot]

Press F to Pay respect to 50B

[slender latch]

I'm kinda expecting the already underperforming tanks get the nerf and the decent/strong tanks get the buffs.

[silk hamlet]

slight nerfs for a 4th shell doesnt seem too bad to me, unless it isnt slight

[wide dawn]

~~...which it definitely isn't ~~

[quick lichen]

350-360 alpha x 4 shots is my guess🤮

[burnt venture]

What I would like to see happen in this rework:

• Light tanks get changed in general to be actual light tanks: giving up armor and firepower to gain mobility and spotting capability. Leopard 1 should not be the least armored tier X tank when there are light tanks in the game. Vickers is a big culprit of this: it's slow for a light but gets armor. Who thought this was fine?
• All of the previous tanks that received super consumables, provisions, equipment etc. NEED to be rebalanced around those specialties. You cannot have tanks balanced as if they are normal and then have super consumables tacked on. You also cannot have tanks that get nuked into the ground and made completely useless just for having those abilities. (T110E5 and FV215B has been both of these examples)
• Bring superheavy TDs into line with heavy tanks, and assault TDs like 263 and Foch 155 into line with medium tanks. I personally want camping / sniping TDs to get nerfed but that's probably not gonna happen.

What I would NOT like to see this rework:

• Increasing autoloader burst damage is universally a trash decision. Longer exposure time means more damage taken in return, but higher burst damage means almost one-clipping tanks, especially against tier 9 tanks. Being completely clipped out or heavily crippled because you took 1500 damage in the face is not fun and bad players will also just yolo harder to get their clips off.
• Random changes to certain tanks in the name of "diversification" that in reality do almost nothing to a tank's game impact, but ruin the tank for many players. You've already seen this at tier 9 and tier 8 where accuracy was randomly nerfed on a bunch of tanks to trade for DPM or slightly more armor, or having a couple heavies gain a few more deg of track traverse.
• And in general, WG needs to abandon the new balancing system. Balancing that forces tanks into specific roles that they may not necessarily play is not diversification: true diversification is making a tank that can play different roles and letting players figure out how they work through their own playstyle. WG should not be encouraging players to play tanks a certain way through drastic balance changes.

[light ivy]

Tvp is not weak, it's a medium with 50b's clip potential, it's quick, accurate, has good pen when you use calibrated shells cuz who uses vents anyways, and the turret can block some shots, same as the upper plate which is bouncy as hell when you angle it, overall the tank is great but in the hands of someone who can use it, because it's not like the other mediums, it has 20sec reload

[silk hamlet]

its a 120, gotta be 380 at the very least

[quick lichen]

Why does it “gotta be” that?

It’s wg lol. They can make up whatever numbers they want

The t49 152 hits for 560. Same with the Sheridan. The grille hits for 640 with a 150 mm

[mystic gorge]

According to Ribble, the guy was right so idrk

[quick lichen]

Maybe. Maybe not

I hate the lack of consistency

Amx m4 130 mm hits for 480 but the obj263/is7/5a all hit for 460

Could do this all day long

[void mulch]

123mm hits 460😎

[burnt venture]

Different alpha damage at tier X: 300, 310, 320, 350, 380, 400, 420, 450, 460, 480, 560, 600, 640, 690, 800, 930

[winged barn]

Remember the old days when the only wack alpha was the 122 on the is8/is4/st1

Yea...

[formal forge]

I wonder what will happen with the tier 9 when the rework/rebalance will get released

[kindred zephyr]

Watch me losing trade shots from obj140 lesgoo

[upbeat sphinx]

Talking about balance, the 90mm at tier 8 should all get 240 alpha, whole 100mm 300 damage.
A tiger 2 has more DPM than half of the meds, so they need this change asap

[scarlet fjord]

I'm gonna miss the current 4005 its been fun

[burnt venture]

How about instead of continuing the alpha damage powercreep, we don't do that.

225 alpha on 90mm, 290 alpha on 100mm, 310 alpha on 105mm, and 400 alpha on 120 and 122mm was the norm.

Powercreep over the years have seen 240 alpha on 90mm, 310 alpha on 100mm (274A coming has 310), 350 alpha on various 105mm tanks (M4 Rev, Jag 8.8), 420 and 430 alpha (252U, new Japanese premium type 57).

Increasing alpha across the board will just powercreep tier 7. This is a big reason why rebalancing an entire tier doesn't work well: it ruins the performance gaps between the tiers. You buff or nerf one tier, then that also affects tanks in the higher or lower tiers. That's what you see in tier 5, 6, 7: when you are top tier, you are absolute gods that destroy everyone. When you are bottom tier, you are treated like trash in the gutter because your tank can't compete. The MASSIVE difference in stats of adjacent tiers is a direct cause of blanket-buffs

[unique scaffold]

Why? Its getting stronger

[idle palm]

im guessing that the 50b will be like 7 seconds to burst 1300-1400 while the t57 will be the same gun, with 5 seconds for 1200
tbh, i am against adding a 4th shell to autoloaders. Sure, it might become more fun for the ppl who are playing it, but it will only encourage toxicity and decrease the amount of fun for the majority of the players

idk, but this whole rebalancing thing seems like blitz is becoming more like wot pc, with more alpha, more armor, and more do it all heavies

[next quail]

Bruh if almost any tier 10 medium has 350 alpha, why bat chat that has a 105 doesnt._.

[burnt venture]

This is like this for all 105mm autoloaders, like T54E1. They are limited to 310 alpha because 350x3 is considered too high.

However autoreloaders get 350 x3 because reasons.

@upbeat sphinx K-91 is a 100mm gun, they just changed the alpha cuz it was bad for a heavy even though it's supposed to be a medium IRL

That's also why autoloaders here are balanced like this with the 3 shots. To prevent people from just crippling and clipping out tanks from full HP. 9.1 rework will change that which is bad.

[upbeat sphinx]

K91:
Bonjour

[winged barn]

Ah yes. A strong tank that got massively buffed for no reason

[next quail]

Because balance. You gotta love how wg is balancing tanks

[distant river]

Tier 8 meds don't really have much if a gap between tier 7 rn, the alpha buff would be fine for them. Most of the lower tier counterparts of tier 8 meds lose alpha and gain a lot of dpm, and then are mildly worse in other ways, and tier 8 90mm meds suck pretty much all across the board. Most of them would be pretty balanced with a 225->240 buff and the same reload, obviously with small changes for the half adequate tanks that will get the buff. In fact, quite a lot of the tier 7s would still have a dpm advantage after the change, just not as large.

Even if you don't like the alpha change, tier 8 meds need buffs badly which will "powercreep" the tier 7s no matter what, even if that means increasing the difference between tiers to be balanced

[winged barn]

Tier 7 meds (for the most part) are complete garbage compared to heavies. They are already in need of help, so tier 8 meds being buffed wouldn't change them all that much

It's kinda sad how little the meds/lts of 7 have gotten compared to everything else

Their pen was always pathetic, and slabs of armor have just been slapped everywhere
And so many derp guns that can just HE nuke them

[distant river]

Tier 7 meds are pretty hit and miss, I'd say 4 good and 5 bad (including lights 8 to 7) so they are in need of specific buffs rather than blanket protection.

It's definitely a real shame how that's happened pretty much everywhere, meds losing their dpm per hp advantages has hurt them a lot and you see it across all the high tiers

[solid mirage]

Did anybody else notice… they nerfed the turret armor of the t95e6… no biggie… except it’s a collector.. sign of bigger things to come? Like nerfing the smasher Or Annihilator

[wide dawn]

Don't think just because they are nerfing the armor of the T95E6, they are probably gonna nerf Annihilator or Smasher

[solid mirage]

No what I meant is they have never nerfed a collector (except the grave digger a cpl months ago), so every collector is now fair game for a nerf.. oops did I just put that out there

[thick wharf]

wasn’t the whole point of collectors to be premiums that can be nerfed

[fast ibex]

hey while Tier X is blowing up can I make a teensy tiny suggestion that the Ferdinand's front armor be buffed to make it a viable armored counterpart to the Jp2 😁

[agile plaza]

Hopefully the Object 84 gets a penetration buff, cuz 217mm and 230mm with cali at T9 is kinda bad.

[solid mirage]

True but they just cudnt get themselves to actually do it (or couldn’t be bothered to), people have been asking for the smasher to be nerfed forever now for example, that thing is beyond broken. I think they are testing waters with these minor nerfs to less popular collectors to gauge reactions, just saying there might be more collector nerfs in the future

[oblique loom]

T95E6 getting a buff is a welcome sight... and T-100, that demonic thing is getting a nerf thank god.

[whole nebula]

I wanna know what will happen to the T110E4, and to a lesser extent the E100 and the 60TP. If were getting a slow T10 gameplay, its not going to fix much, you make a mistake, you just die slower…not like youll be able to undo that mistake.

[oblique loom]

So it looks like the T95E6 will become a medium in all but name

[acoustic narwhal]

Blitz gets a update every 1 or 2 months on average
Gentlemen, synchronize your death watches

[junior forge]

i dont think so because their are tier 3/2/4s that are complet garbage

[unique scaffold]

Except the mobility getting more annoying

[oblique loom]

I'm all for it as they will no longer be as bouncy with their armor

[unique scaffold]

The thing is with the tanks gettin decreased alpha, they might not even decrease it that much like 50b from 400 could go to 370 instead or something

[vital basalt]

Probably to 380 like Concept 1B
Or lower idk, i don't think they'll give it same alpha as 105mm guns tho

[open robin]

My dear AMX
What have they done to my boy

[neon hazel]

380*

[reef wing]

the kran should get a upper plate buff to 130mm or a top speed buff 34kmh because its better to have a tank that can bounce with the upper plate or get to hulldown positions faster other than a tank that has a worse upper plate than the is8 and a worse topspeed of an E100

[distant river]

The kran needs no buffs

[scarlet fjord]

the kran is literally an incredible tank people play it so badly i agree with droodles completely
ppl just drive the possibly easiest tank to play at tier 10 in unsuitable conditions and ask why its so bad
the reason its stats are so bad is because you literally cant pen the tank hull down that is ridiculous

[merry fjord]

great more shit tanks that was forgotten

[quick lichen]

Doesn’t mean I’m wrong 😉

380 sounds more right than 370

Idk. I don’t like any of that in general though

4 shots at 3-3.5 with 400 is plenty to me

Clippers in general are hard to balance against single shots because it’s all about dpm vs real/situational/effective dpm

[delicate solar]

just nerf lt and it will be cool 😎

[nimble zodiac]

I’m curious on FV4005’s new gun

[sweet sluice]

As a Barn enjoyer, am I also curious

[junior forge]

espeically the ones that were morters before 7.7

[twin egret]

Maybe 420, that's like the alpha damage on the IS-4 and WZ 113 i think

[cursive schooner]

What got 320

[prisma jetty]

Kpz 50t

[stoic geode]

maybe they will finally buff its turret armor

[quick lichen]

So stupid imo

[tacit pelican]

In PC you have two guns to choose , one is low alpha but better gun accuracy , reload and aiming time , another one is higher Alpha , lower pen and longer reload like 11.2 or 12s. Blitz version is both guns mixed together

[quick lichen]

Irrelevant to me pointing out how stupid it is to have the same gun caliber but different damage

I’m aware of the amx having two gun options though but it’s apparently too complicated to come here

Certainly unfair when it’s considered a collector

[scarlet fjord]

That's already happening foch 155 has obviously a 155 mm gun and has less alpha than 152 mm guns by a huge chunk

[quick lichen]

There’s dozens of examples

I wish they’re just edit other stats

[limpid breach]

This change in 9.1 is great

[upbeat sphinx]

Same pen as the t 54, it's balanced

[rapid oriole]

New Turret :troll:

[ruby cloud]

I wouldn’t say no to that ~ me, an enthusiast

[scarlet fjord]

Maybe wg will bring back it's old gun now and it would have 2 options where the single shot one would be 640 alpha or maybe 690 cuz it's a 155 a random guess idk if it's likely

[marsh pebble]

Its getting the gun it has on WoT PC :troll:

[stone gull]

This turret with 460 alpha gun
or current turret with 640 alpha gun

can be good idea

[neat crescent]

Maus turret on e100

[nimble zodiac]

Error: Image pertains no effect on argument

[mental pasture]

Oh, wow! A very good player doing extremely well in a nice tank, how worthless.

[ruby monolith]

Frankly I’m looking forward to this simply because it’s change and different. Even IF it causes complete havoc eventually it’ll be resolved for better or worse.

[knotty thorn]

What would they change on the 183

[rapid lodge]

Wow WG, yall removed the dislikes on ur balancing update. Ouch.

[radiant hatch]

I saw that they pulled a youtube

[rapid lodge]

Well we wouldn't dislike it if it was good🤷‍♂️

@rocky briar Well, I mean by the looks of it, it's improper buffs and nerfs to tanks that don't even need touched.

[rocky briar]

i think a fresh change can be good if implemented correctly, so im being optimistic until i see all the changes

[winged barn]

Yes, fresh change is good when done properly. The problem is that this is good ole weegee that we are talking about. They haven't done too well at these things in the past.

[mental pasture]

First they stop making the charts about how the tier 8 -10 are going, now they delete the dislikes. Weird.

[queen stag]

🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡

[buoyant thorn]

Bruh They will really change everything?
WG should Buff FV4202 Turret armor like a lot, this tank is a Huge Cardboard Bs made for Cats sleep inside (idea for artists)

[somber flicker]

nah, Fv4202 is fine and its my fav med in tier X

[scenic coral]

They brought it back again. Go post ur opionion

[tranquil ermine]

Time to press the dislike again

[nimble zodiac]

Maybe they thought the thinking emoji was simply useless, or maybe they're gauging an opinion after a bout of discussion

[pseudo bobcat]

🗿 🗿 🗿 🗿 they think resetting the counter would make the positive review increases lol

[main tulip]

I think the idea for the changes is pretty neat, looks like they're trying to create some unique playstyles

[scenic apex]

I agree, more variety of playstyles would be cool

[warm crypt]

dont say that 💀 💀 just from how they remove the emoji reaction we already know they wont listen us anyway why bother wasting our time here
I think the idea for the changes is pretty neat, looks like they're trying so hard to fix something they know they couldnt fix

[tame forge]

I think these changes are going to be generally fine. Sure some tanks might me straight garbage but at least there will be new tier 10 play. At this point any change to the game is pretty alright. Tier 10 has been roughly the same for the past 4-5 years. Glad to have something refreshing.

[pseudo bobcat]

If they actually tested the idea in a test server where everyone can experience their idea without breaking the game immediately then sure I would want to test their idea. But I don't want them to just implement a potential game breaking updates immediately without the community having any say in it.

[somber flicker]

but in a terrible way... They need to test their changes first. Also they're changing tanks that are perfectly fine and completely unique. Take the 50B, its a similar to the T57 yet at the same time completely different. You wouldn't play either of them the same way. Tanks that need changes is tanks like the Fv215B, Amx 30B, T-100LT, IS7, and E5

[main tulip]

50b is too similar to the T57, I'm glad they're doing something to set them apart more
I would change most tier 10 tanks at least a tiny bit, they're all slightly off from the role I envision them to fill

[pseudo bobcat]

Their playstyles are nothing similar, and changing the tier 10 to such extreme without changing the Tier 9 will develop more problems than it fixes.

[main tulip]

They play the same in like 50% of situations, if not more. After the T57's PBR I've also seen many people complain about their armor profiles being too similar, as the T57 is supposed to be the more armored of the 2 by reputation, to which I agree (the 50b's armor is too strong imo). I also don't think the 50b should have more HP than the T57

I play 2v2 tournies and regular platoons with T57 + 50b combos a lot, and I can only think of one battle where the outcome would've been different or if we should've played something differently if one of the tanks were swapped. (that being the 50b getting HE to the sides)

[somber flicker]

The 50b and T57 only have in common is the 3 shells and that they're both heavy tanks. You play the two tanks completely different from one another.

[solar tundra]

f2p players trying to grind stock tier 9s having to deal with the new tier 10s:

[main tulip]

^ Is what it's supposed to be, but there are a number of factors that contribute to that not being the case. A lot of the advantages they have over each other are very mixed:

• The T57 is supposed to have more armor/survivability than the 50B, but after PBR the armor profile is nearly identical minus the side armor, and it has less hitpoints.
• The 50b is supposed to have the better mobility of the two, but it has 5 degs/second less hull traverse.
• The T57 is supposed to have the better and faster reloading gun, but the 50b has a faster clip reload and more accuracy.

I believe that all of these should be changed, so that the differences between the two are more apparent and more exploitable in battle. The fourth shell for the 50b is also a welcome addition imo, I just hope they don't give the T57 it as well

[lethal turret]

Wg clearly know that this "balancing" is crap.

[pseudo bobcat]

And yet they're planning to reduce the 50B gun handling therefore forcing it to play close quarters like the T57. If they add 4th shell only to the T57 it would make 50B outshine the T57 more making the T57 less relevant than 50B

[tame forge]

there doing it likely to force it to get close to mediums. they are giving it that extra shell so it dominates medium flanks i take it.

[pseudo bobcat]

Ahh yes they wanted to make the medium role more obsolete than they alr are

[fierce crag]

It supoosed to be freaking silly changes
You call it a 'balance'
We don't need so big changes
but pls nerf too op tanks and buff weak tanks
why E5 and 215b are already the last one in stats,still no buff

CAN you please play this game and listen to who really know this game like our top players and CCs,before silly balance making😶

See tvp t50/51?4-clip-magazine appears to be really weak in this game,really unflexible,why dont we have 3 clip 360 dmg instead?

Except Defender Mk1(Pay to win),3 clip magazine are easy to take damage,without getting hurt,you will always have problem if you have 1 or 2 shells in magazine and don't know whether to reload or not

[tranquil ermine]

They're not gonna

[main tulip]

CC's are consistently awful at making game/balance decisions, in every game

[frigid grove]

Everyone react the thumbs down emoji again now

[rapid lodge]

Let's go lol, quit trying to silence our true and honest opinions. Don't ask us for our opinions if you don't like it when they are bad.

[visual lance]

9.1 Update 👎

[cerulean mason]

Buff DPM of AMX 30B

[void mulch]

WG delete all 👎 and now 9.1 is a super fcoooool update

[pseudo bobcat]

Bruh the dislike ratio is getting even wider lmao 🤣

[rapid lodge]

Lol, look I'm not trying to bring harm to their company, but come on, it's wrong to delete their dislikes, that's just as bad as YouTube. But this shows the truth here. And it hurts the community too.

[west narwhal]

??????

[abstract harbor]

@lusty silo Idea to improve: if a tank is AFK, a team mate can switch once he his dead, and re-spawn again, whilst the AFK guy gets kicked out of that game

[main tulip]

aren't the dislikes back though? It's pretty useless to keep talking about it

[mild dawn]

is that even possible? and also how's that related to #tank-balance-discussion 💀

[vague steppe]

that's dumb, just turn them into a bot or something

[pseudo bobcat]

I don't understand why they buffed the alr strong aspect of T95E6? Like are they planning to remove the Medium Tank Type entirely and just make medium like heavy or what? The T95E6 alr has enough mobility and DPM like what else does it need? Well i think WG knows that it needs more mobility and DPM so it can win against any MT right?

[still timber]

Or the team mate will be replaced by || bot ||

[analog tide]

The M41D is the same as the m41 Bulldog

[royal lake]

But it made in Taiwa- China

[upbeat sphinx]

Well it has 10% less DPM than a chieftain, maybe it will get the same one

[mortal falcon]

It needed accuracy, but I'll take any buff to it. It needs it.

I just find it funny that you're just now complaining about "omg wg is removing mediums with these heavies" when WG already did that 2 years ago

[karmic pier]

WG plz repair the team plz my team is LT or MT and Enemy is full HT and TD

[teal raptor]

My question on new tier X balance changes is, why? Just why.

WG, Tier X is your least messed up Tier in terms of balance. Please stop doing things no one is asking for and please stop creating problems where none existed previously.

Yours sincerely, someone who has been right every single time they advised you before.

🍻

[karmic pier]

agree

[mortal falcon]

Tier X hasn't been "well-balanced" for years. Mediums are obsolete, TDs have been pushed out of a place in the game (besides the corners of Dead Rail), every new LT is a medium on crack, and Heavies are MTs on steroids nowadays. Power creep is rampant, and Wargaming is very transparent about making new tanks the "go-to meta do-it-all vehicle", even implementing them during a tournament season.

Tier X seriously needed an overhaul considering that the entire tier is dominated by a single tank class + the 100LT. However, considering what few... offerings Wargaming has given us so far (combined with a less-than-stellar track record which got us here to begin with), I have to agree that I'm extremely pessimistic about the future of Tier X.

I want to believe that, by some miracle, WG can even start to address the myriad of issues plaguing what was once the most enjoyable and skill-based tier, but then I always end up waking up to the nightmare that is reality - and the nightmare that is the "new balance approach".

[teal raptor]

CCs have little to zero control over game balance decisions and outcomes.

@mortal falcon - tier x gets rebalanced every 3 months. There's a rotating meta with power creep but it has no tanks that are broken OP at present. Especially no broken premiums or collector tanks. The worst it ever was, was with the t22 and they used power creep (and possibly stealth nerfs no one can prove) to fix that.

At tier X there is a range of tanks with strengths and weaknesses - and ofc there's a range of relative performance. But no one tank has been non-viable or top tier for more than a year.

The proposed overhaul risks the stability of tier X gameplay and degrading the overall gaming experience.

Shoe horning tanks into specific play styles will make the game more predictable and as a result, more boring. You don't need to be a genius to see that far ahead to realise that's the logical outcome of increasing/exaggerating strengths and weaknesses.

If you make game play more black and white, you remove the grey areas which is where variability and surprise plays come from.

The nature of the changes described sounds to me like tanks will have less viable strategic possibilities to choose between and that is going to be less fun.

[mortal falcon]

I agree with that a lot, and many of the grievances mentioned I'm simply arguing have already come to fruition. After all, WG is now dead set on balancing around these super-heavies (and by that, I mean super-tanks).

I'm just saying that I think change is good; that I would much rather have a risky overhaul than be stuck in the current quagmire of Tier X with increasingly less variety. But I wholeheartedly agree that so far, the proposed changes do not look to be the solution to the game's many problems. Hopefully the final product is different

[weak ledge]

Buff Kranvagn

[next quail]

M41d more mobile than bulldog+10 more alpha. Its "veeeery balanced"

[bold dagger]

the best players probably don’t need to worry so much about the new changes, its everyone else that should be worried

what most likely will happen is that Tier 10 will become even more unforgiving and punishing. tanks with higher skill ceilings and lower skill floors means players will either spectacularly fail or spectacularly succeed in each match. the end result to stats over the long run probably won’t change much, but each mistake in game will be punished more harshly

[mortal falcon]

Or it could be the opposite, depends on how wargaming wants to take this

@bold dagger im mostly worried about the accuracy nerfs because those are never fun. but hopefully wargaming does something nice

[bold dagger]

i doubt the opposite will happen. the changes they suggest now show they’re willing to increase autoloader magazine in exchange for other stats like armor, reverse speed, or accuracy

DPM buffs to support vehicles

T-100 was the only broken tank on the list so it’s understandable for it to get mostly nerfs, although they’re doubling down on its stealth and maneuverability

this is their stated goal

bigger strengths, bigger weaknesses

honestly im kinda excited for it, i really like the concept of min max tanks: i didnt play 3k games in a Grille for nothing

but im still against the changes because the majority of the playerbase will fall behind

[orchid grove]

Based mav senapi

[bold dagger]

and comp will be a nightmare if the first team to make a mistake gets hella punished and there’s no coming back from it

[unique scaffold]

Leopard 1 and stb1 get PDR when

[mortal falcon]

@bold dagger yeah i think its a cool idea in concept, but when it comes to execution, that's what i'm worried about

[scarlet fjord]

lmao WG removed the reactions on the #coming-soon channel cuz it had like 3 times more dislikes than likes 💀
unfortunately for them it still does

[dense yoke]

i don't understand you people- Why do you say buff kran only? Why not say where to buff kran?

[quick lichen]

I don’t understand why they don’t at minimum consult the top 4 teams from the prior season and have them fill out surveys. Who better to tell you about the meta?

[scarlet fjord]

the kran is literally fine lol

[remote oriole]

Tier ten is pretty messed up in terms of balance. Tier nine is better, but the best is literally tier one 🙃

P.S.: Tier eight is less balanced than tier ten, but I‘m not sure where tier seven ranks (though I suppose on par with tier ten)

Note about asking the top four teams:
Putting trust issues aside (I don‘t think that they are honest or self-reflective enough to not advantage themselves) I want to point out that they would balance the game alongside their experience.

This means that they would basically even out the skill ceiling while neglecting the skill floor (and skill average). While an even skill ceiling is kind of nice the game still relies on random MM which makes the skill average case the by far most likely one. Thus I maintain that it should be balanced in regards to the skill average, not the skill ceiling.

At the same time it‘d be also nice if the tanks are balanced for the worst players, so they don‘t feel forced to play particular tanks, i.e. an even skill floor.

While I understand that an even skill ceiling, skill average and skill floor is nothing short of utopian I am strictly against only balancing by skill ceiling, and believe that the average player‘s opinion is far more valuable for balancing than the top 4 clans player‘s opinion

[leaden flare]

That's a thing I'm asking myself as well
It's kinda a one-sided pov but then again I don't think top 4 teams would just propose broken changes

@daring rivet I really doubt that you get banned for afk only and then again you can appeal every single ban over Thier website and Thier support to get further information as to why things happend that way and to resolve things that weren't meant to be

The concept of a light with a mantlet that red for everything covering 3/4 of the turret was a pretty choice in itself

[jade cargo]

wgisscam#1628 was banned

[quick lichen]

Who better to tell you about the meta than the people maximizing/abusing it to the greatest effect? But no. Ignore your best players instead of using them as a resource

I bet you all the teams would have told you from the start to nerf the is4 a bit to bring it back in line. Same with the vickers and 100

[thick olive]

#coming-soon = 👎

[teal raptor]

Yep. Except WG don't seem to want to accept the fact that the top esports players understand the game better than they do 🤷

[remote oriole]

I think the top esports players overestimate themselves „just a bit“ if they truly believe that

[silver raptor]

I wonder why the number of reactions of this post have decreased? #coming-soon message

[scarlet fjord]

Tier 9 is most balanced tier in the game

[teal raptor]

I've been speaking to top players for over 4 years and was in contact with WG for two.

My opinion is that the top tournament/esport players know the game meta and balance states better than WG.

[leaden flare]

nah if it was there wouldnt be just 2 tanks spammed in ratings
with 2 that somewhat compete with them

the most played are T92E1 and WT that are literally far better than any other T9s
and K-91 and Vickers CR competing somewhat with them

on the other hand at t10 most tanks are played or there are much more tanks played more frequently unlike at t9 where its almost only those 4 tanks

thats the way i see it
and i dont see why people claim t9 to be more balanced than t10
t10 has plenty tanks that are very close to in performance for randoms and ratings and just 1 or maybe 2 tanks that are a bit over the top like t100 lt that at some point get nerfed unlike WT and T92 that dominate for ages already

[tidal apex]

I never understood how the hell WG come to their decisions when it comes to balancing

[stuck acorn]

ugh, you reminded me about T92E1 before all nerfs and rocket removal 💀💀💀

[distant river]

Those tanks are used because it's easy to farm damage without taking any in return which is all ratings rewards. It's not a representation of the meta

[leaden flare]

they are also overly spammed in randoms they are literally meta
there isnt a single TD that can even closely compete with WT and there isnt really a med or light that can compete with T92e1 even tho meds have different strenghts over T92

[distant river]

The statistics don't overly agree with you.

The WT is definitely too good, nobody will dispute that. But again one tank doesn't make the whole tier unbalanced, it's an outlier. The T92 is just a good tank, nothing particularly unbalanced. Plenty of tanks can compete with it.

In general tier 9 is nice and varied, only a few outliers at either end (although more on the lower end) and plenty of variety at both ends too.

[remote oriole]

I don‘t think that ratings is a good indicator to begin with. You have to take into account the ratings grinding, the sweating, the different player distribution and the different player base and then it gets very complicated very quickly which makes any statements about the balance in randoms speculation at worst.

The important part about tier nine is that tier nine only has a few outliers. That‘s why you only see the same three to four tanks all the time in sweating contests; there simply aren‘t more outliers. In tier ten however you have a whole range of outliers that almost for a tier of their own, creating ‚balance in imbalance‘ if you want so, i.e. you have a number of op tanks that are balanced among themselves.

Another interesting thing to note with tier nine is that outliers generally are too strong rather than too weak, meaning that the bulk of tier nine tanks is on the lower end of the performance scale. So, you have a few op tanks and a whole range of mediocre tanks.

In tier ten it‘s somewhat reversed. Firstly the outliers are stronger than in tier nine, meaning that the whole scale of balance is about one and a half time as large as on tier nine. Secondly, there are far more outliers than in tier nine. This means that all these outliers can basically form groups of themselves in which they are all relatively balanced, meaning that many tanks can be competitive at once as they are all op.

Thus you see more different tanks in tier ten sweating competitions. (While there is a tendency towards having more weak outliers than strong outliers, it‘s not nearly as one sided as in tier nine).

The reason why I say that tier nine is more balanced is simply because the scale from best to worst is not as large as in tier ten and because the bulk of tanks is a lot more clustered around on point (rather than evenly spread out as on tier ten).

[unique scaffold]

Because it is much more entertaining this way.

[glacial topaz]

I think 50b and fv4005 deserve that buff. That much player need cuz they have paper armor

[quick lichen]

I feel like they have a bunch of wheels they spin. One is tanks, another is nerfs/buffs, the last is how much😂

[winged barn]

Ah yes, rngesus for balancing

Because everyone always asks for more rng in the game

[uneven narwhal]

What better way to balance the game

[unique scaffold]

the playerbase?, they could just balance the tier X tanks that aren't used or perform bad and balance the OP tanks

[quick lichen]

… pro season teams

[tranquil ermine]

Pretty ironic knowing that the players could probably do a better job at balancing than developer itself

[unique scaffold]

the ones that tries the new tanks and they came in the game broken and they get nerfed cause the playerbase sees those tanks are broken?

[remote birch]

yeah if you exclude the mm because after a certain amount of battles in a tank you'll face tier10 almost in every match

[silver sedge]

update 9.1 👍

[quick lichen]

Sounds like a dev problem, not a player problem

[scarlet fjord]

The only downside but the tier9 tanks are so ridiculous they completely smash tier 8s and can somewhat compete with tier 10s

[deep temple]

Day 3 of asking for 30b Buff on gun handling or dpm

[neat crescent]

Last time balancing was fully decided by players....i saw a company go bankrupt

[unique scaffold]

False, tier 10 is completely ruined since autoloaders are dominant. Looking at is4, e5, 215b, is7, 113, maus I wanna throw up

[cedar widget]

4 autoshell will end the game

[void mulch]

Let's add one more shell

[distant river]

40t and tvp, and game still alive

[silk hamlet]

wait until they hear about the gravedigger/13 57

[eager spindle]

who cares about tanks below tier x
Think about the cw meta guys!!

[winged barn]

People: complaining about unchanging meta

Weegee: we are changing tier x balance massively

People: reeeeeeee

[outer glen]

Behold autoloader meta

[ember gazelle]

Im little scared what will happen to obj 140, for me its better tank than t100lt.

[raw geyser]

I mean hey at least T 100 is getting a nerf

hopefully its an actual “nerf”

[silver sedge]

Update 9.1 remembers me a little bit of the update 5.5. Something misses though: turning a lot of the techtree tanks into collectables

[vague steppe]

literally got a DPM nerf, how's that not serious

[spring jacinth]

They're changing stuff that works just fine

[hearty hedge]

Hopefully progetto 65 dosnt get changed and ill be happy , idrc about any other t10 tbh lmao

[raw geyser]

i just wanna make sure
becuz this game’s balancing has some tendency to make “nerfs” that can be irrelevant or just so small

[scarlet fjord]

I kinda cant wait to find out all the changes at this point

[winged barn]

Unchanging meta.

If it works fine, so you leave it alone, the meta stays the same. You have to actually change things to change the meta

[dense yoke]

Clearly there are people who want Kranvagn to buffed. They either think Kravagn is not fine or it is not preforming to their taste. So I asked where should kranvagn be buffed.

[scarlet fjord]

Just watch droodles video rant about kran
its literally fine

[spring jacinth]

At this point they're just making the game easier and easier

[distant river]

The issue here is the jump between "they think it's not fine" to "it is actually not fine" which is entirely unreasonable. The kran is in a really good spot rn, and need a nerf if anything. Not everyone will be capable of seeing this, but this does not mean those people are correct.

[winged barn]

Bruh
Hulldown invincibility, gun depression, clip, no clip reload, workable mobility, and people still think it needs a buff.

Its a tank that has complete dominance when holding a position, it has a clip that keeps it from being pushed, and it has mobility to get into the position. The kran is just fine.

It already has traits that can be completely abused. It doesn't need things to actually push it over the edge into completely broken.

[scarlet fjord]

its one of the better heavies in tier 10
and if you want to buff one of the better heavies while ignoring E5 and 215B and other tanks not to mention how heavies as a class are superior than most other tanks to begin with would be a stupid decision beyond your imagination
AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD its the easiest tank to play on the planet you go hull down you use your auto reloader and nobody EMPASIS ON NOBODY
NOBODY can pen you
what buff? buff your skills maybe?
it was overcooked before so now after the nerfs the average joe is crying cuz their almost broken tank cant dominate everything infront of it as easily anymore
despite this its still the god damn easiest thing to play in tier 10 and yet you struggle
HOW? i dont need another M4 54 headache

[quick lichen]

@unique scaffold this isn’t the channel for begging for new things. This is about tank balance for the ones in game

[burnt venture]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfTanksBlitz/comments/uvkhz2/update_90_japanese_heavy_tanks_first_look/

My initial take on the new Japanese heavy tanks based on stats

[graceful ravine]

Kranvagn had a wineate of 50.4% with a total battle rate of 64k games in 8.9 , the tank isnt bad , its just uncomfortable to play and very one dimensional in its gameplay, which makes countering it very straight forward, i personally think the tank needs a mobility buff for what it id with an extra 1° of gun depression, as it feel very awkward to operate for me

[chilly ember]

I’d say it’s bad, turret rotation is awful

[frail silo]

who cares about turret rotation when you are gonna face tanks frontally 99% of the time in a hull down position

[quick lichen]

Literally average

Sorry it’s not broken anymore like when we first tested it😂

[chilly ember]

That’s not really a good thing to say. It’s slow to the point where it’s hard even getting to a hull down spot, a tank foul easily just go past you because it’s so immobile.

And @quick lichen ah yes wr means the tank is average. Performance doesn’t make a tank good or not, nevertheless it still has bad turret rotation. It like saying the e100 is good because of wr

[quick lichen]

“Performance doesn’t make a tank good or not” what else would that suggest?😂

You have it backwards. The e100 is good and it’s wr reflects how good it is

[scarlet fjord]

The 113 and 57 heavy are much much better than what the stats suggest meaning they aren't always spot on

[stone gull]

according to this picture "kranvagn is better than is-7" right?

[main tulip]

Last I looked at that, T57 was below 50b iirc

[quick lichen]

Apparently in the hands of an average player, yes. But you’re ignoring the fact that the is7 has 4x the battle count and 80% of those were before the buff

[chilly ember]

Funny

[quick lichen]

Logical*

Stats reflect performance lol

[distant river]

No no they are uncorrelated surely something else must cause people to win more in one tank that's nothing to do with performance of the tank!

[quick lichen]

My bad. I forgot it’s just all luck

[scarlet fjord]

No? Some tanks are harder for these players to handle? Like the 113

[frail silo]

just pop the speed boost bruh.
all you have to do is go to a typical hull down spot and do hull down things.
what is so difficult?

[chilly ember]

Ah yes, Cause of course speed boost is all game, move up any hill and you’re screwed.

[drowsy plaza]

The Kran is a situationally OP tank. Position well and you are rewarded.

[frail silo]

speed boost is enough to get you to important hull down positions(which is regularly one or two positions in the entire map) in the start of the game? then all you have to do is depress your gun and shoot?
again i don't see what is so difficult.
how would you get screwed by going up hills?

[chilly ember]

Could say the same about every tank

[neat crescent]

Couldn't agree more

[winged barn]

Except sitting hull down isn't something that I classify as all that "situational"

That's literally every heavy fight every match.

A leopard 1 on the other hand is situational, where specific maps under specific circumstances are required.

Pile of rubble? Check
Dune? Check
Crest of a hill? Check
Dead tank? Check
Under a reds gun depression? Check
If you can't find at least one of these things in every match you play, get out of tier 10.

The kran doesn't even require careful placement because of a lack of gun depression like an is7 does. You have plenty to go wherever.

[indigo olive]

I would be so happy if they give it extra degree of gun dep and Buff the Turret Traverse, bcuz IT IS HORRENDOUS....

[nimble zodiac]

🤦‍♂️

[small spoke]

I know this is massive, but here it goes (dont take that out of context)

Hey peeps, thoughts on my ideas for 9.1 changes? Buff, nerf, stay same or change. Change means that it should be changed to be different but not necessarily better or worse.

T110E5 - Buff
Concept - Nerf
T-62A - Nerf
IS-4 - Same
Obj. 263 - Nerf
Kpf 50t - Nerf
Vk 90 - Nerf
FV4202 - Same
FV 183 - Same
Type 71 - Nerf
WZ-113 - Change
AMX 30 B - Buff
Progetto - Buff
T57 - Nerf
T110E4 - Buff
Obj 140 - Buff
IS-7 - Nerf
268 v4 - Nerf
Maus - Buff
Jageroo - Same
FV215B - Buff
FV4005 - Same
Ho-Ri - Nerf
WZ 5A - Buff
AMX 50 B - Same
TVP 50 - Same
Patton - Same
Yoh - Nerf
T110E3 - Nerf
907 - Buff
obj 260 - Buff
E 50 M - Nerf
E 100 - Same
Grille - Change
Chieftain - Same
Badger - Change
121 - Same
113GFT - Same
AMX M4 - Nerf
Kran - Same
M60 - Same
T110E6 - Buff
T100LT - Nerf
T22 med  - Change
Obj 268 - Same
Leo 1 - Same
Vk 72 - Change
Vickers - Same
Super conq - Same
STB - Buff
121B - Buff
Batchat - Change
Foch - Change
60TP - Nerf```
Hope you all liked my essay 🤣 Just my thoughts for the devs 🙂
*Not official WG changes*

[jade cargo]

Call_off_Duty26#5966 has been warned.

[drowsy plaza]

@small spoke fairly non descriptive. You won’t see any nerfs to the Collector/Enriched/Premium tanks - so that’s out anyway.

[scenic apex]

I dont see why Kpf, 263, VK 90 or T-62A need nerfs
And why does Type 71 need a nerf? It hasn’t even been added yet 🗿
Why does Ho-Ri need a nerf?
Why does T110E3 need a nerf?
Whats the T110E6?

Oh damm I didn’t see I could scroll down 💀

[main tulip]

Why does T57 need a nerf but 50b is fine

[small spoke]

@drowsy plaza Would you like a 2000 word paper with that lol 🤣 ? I know, but i dont have that time and I just wanted to give general thoughts.
@scenic apex VK 90's armor is just insane and Ho Ri pen is insane. As for the rest, just my personal opinions. And you know what, maybe 263 needs "change" instead of "nerf"
@main tulip I just think T57 armor is too troll

PS sorry for the ping crusader if its not allowed, wasnt sure.

[scenic apex]

VK 90 got nice turret armor and can sidescrape well, but turn that turret a bit and everyone can pen it, plus the lower plate is pretty weak
Ho-Ri got insane pen yes, but thats the point of the tank
T57 got a odd armor profile, you just gotta aim at it a bit

[strange estuary]

VK90 has way too much mobility for that armour, either needs to be nerfed imo

[quick lichen]

It needs a legitimate weak point. It doesn’t need to be huge or glaring, but certainly something

[midnight linden]

Reduced cupola armor on vk90 (15-20 mm less)

[drowsy plaza]

@small spoke no worries. I like essays ;). It at least shows that folks are thinking. I’m admittedly curious what this E 50 M change that Ribble mentioned will do - more DPM, less accuracy and less Damage per Shot - which means a faster reload to increase DPM 🤔

[neat crescent]

15-20mm? Dang it's HE time

[scenic apex]

Thats not really much, the actual cupola is 200mm all around, the cupola base is 300mm

[quick lichen]

Less*

[midnight linden]

Didn’t include in the first message but just nerf the cupola base to 285 or 280 mm, it’s 300 mm all round, it should just be 285-280 mm frontally and 210-180 on the sides.

The actual cupola is fine but it’s small and hard to hit, most (heavy) tanks without prammo have to aim dead center on the actual cupola to pen it

[small spoke]

🙂 I like when the community tries to express opinions in, how do i say it... not so toxic ways hehe. I am curious what WG has cooked up as well!

For the rest, VK 90 just needs a bit of a nerf to sidescraping capabilities or something to make it more balanced. Ho Ri needs some pen nerf, not a lot, but some. Maybe to 365 base premium AP

[frail silo]

its entire point is the pen though? it is already balanced
ho ri isn't anything game breaking

[simple glacier]

it exists to pen whatever everyone else cant, why nerf the pen lol

[neat crescent]

Dang guess there goes my joy

[olive trail]

Hi WarGaming team, do you intend to add a little more accuracy to FV215b (183). Because I found this tank to have too low accuracy while reloading for too long, make too few people use this tank. Increasing the reload speed is not good because the Alpha damage of FV215b (183) is too high. So I think it's better to give it a little more accuracy and movement speed. Thank you, WarGaming team.

Above is my opinion. Thank you, Wargaming, for your review.

[unique scaffold]

I wanna say, that's 183 first release before nerf'd

[small spoke]

because we all know too few people play the 183... 🤣

[nimble zodiac]

Literally the most played tier 10 😂😂😂