tank-balance-discussion

[empty breach]

Bring back +2 -2 that’ll set the whiners straight!

[dense oyster]

no, then they will be complaing about buffing tier 8 tanks to tier 10 level stats....🤣

[indigo skiff]

Please don't do that, it will send my beloved Emil 1951 to the backrooms, which I absolutely don't want

[winter heron]

Are you ok? Like, do you need help? I've heard that suggesting the t49 needs an accuracy buff is a leading symptom of insanity.

[vivid hinge]

unpopular opinion smasher doesnt need any nerfs

[winged barn]

Brain lacking opinion

[vivid hinge]

how so elaborate its already been nerfed and had i think it was 3 seconds to the reload less armor and less accuracy in the last couple of updates just ruining the value of the tank at that point just buy the SU-152

[surreal rivet]

It's literally showing it can be penned good job proving urself wrong lmao

[wide dawn]

insert Blitz player moment meme

[sudden granite]

Things like this is why wg will never care about things said in this channel lmao

[gleaming apex]

C1P#5681 has been warned.

Giulione#8761 was banned

[full token]

when has it been nerfed? Only 'nerfs' im aware of are the 'bug fixes' to make it lose pen over distance like it always shouldve

[uneven narwhal]

That is the only indirect nerf that was irrelevant anyways ^
Other than that, WG has maintained its policy of not nerfing premiums and collectibles; it has remain untouched

[vivid hinge]

It got a reload nerf used to have 13.5 now it has 15.7 no the nerf happened about 6-7 months ago it was constantly 13.5 without adrenaline @prisma jetty

[nimble zodiac]

I highly doubt that

@prisma jetty adrenaline does not appear to be the case, but now that I've tested it with CS, it seems to be

I keenly remember Smasher always out-reloading my Tankenstein, but not by that much

[prisma jetty]

Does this nerf happen whenever adrenaline ends?

[full token]

If you could show what update this happened in, it might help.

[vivid hinge]

It happened in the time where smasher was out of my garage so I’m not sure exactly when that’s just a rough guesstimation

[uneven narwhal]

The Smasher hasn't been nerfed
If it was, I'd sure I would see a ton of people in here complaining about it and it'd be a huge thing
You'd have YTers creating content on it as well

[sleek grove]

the only "nerf" im aware of is that it is matched against another smasher in the enemy team

[leaden flare]

its only real nerf was the introduction of anni xD

[full token]

It never had the reload nerfed. The reload was 15s since release, with videos that prove it was always 15s.

[nimble zodiac]

Ello, this is the channel where you suggest tank balance changes that you think would be better for the game, take care to read the pinned messages though, because this is specifically about the stats and performance of tanks, not matchmaking or skill levels of players

[quasi axle]

Ok bro

[unique scaffold]

Buff smasher!!! Buff its reload to 25s and nerf its penetration by 50mm. Also shell velocity nerf could do too. Make it slower than missile

[uneven narwhal]

I don't think you know what a "buff" is

[nimble zodiac]

Yeah totally, basic math 😂
25 is greater than 15 😂

[uneven narwhal]

I knew there was a reason I failed first grade 😓

[nimble zodiac]

😔

[simple glacier]

it is a buff though
look, the number went up

[brave dragon]

🤔

[full token]

They won’t nerf the tank but they can buff it like this

[uneven narwhal]

Given the average player, they'll probably fall for it 😵‍💫

[native parrot]

no, probably he's just making us look like clowns

[surreal rivet]

A accuracy buff to 263 would be nice or the old traverse

[orchid goblet]

Is the accuracy for the B-C 25 t "nerfed" ?

[ornate shuttle]

smasher literally NEVER had 13.6 reload, u re hallucinating

@nimble zodiac Yes, you're right, smasher out reloads tankenstein, because tanke has almost 17s reload and smasher only 15.2 with rammer.

[safe rapids]

So you want the traverse worse?
WG buffed the traverse not too long ago along with the armor and HP, in trade for the gun handling.

[surreal rivet]

Im talking Abt the one in the old vids where it was wiggling hardcore thought that was the better traverse
Ok maybe I'm on drugs

[hearty steeple]

263 might be better now, but I definitely preferred the tank before it. The accuracy gave it more flexibility over the Foch. Now both are the same close range brawlers.

[lucid lotus]

Tankenstein doesnt have to compete with Smasher tho, the solution to op premium tanks is to stop selling them, otherwise we have to constantly buff everything to powercreep the next op tank, saves time if devs just reduce the distribution of tanks deemed too strong

[stuck acorn]

it gives them too much money.

They should just start nerfing premium content same as standard content like nearly every games does

[lucid lotus]

Nah they'll be met with rage by spenders and they dont want to jeopardize their source of income

Ppl buy certain tanks knowing that they are really good, not bcuz they think they might be good.

[sleek grove]

Also content creators have a big Influence.
Someone can say X tank is good when it's not that good and some players will buy it with the thought it's as good as it was said to be.

[quick verge]

when is WG going to fix the broken economy? you still can't grind the tech tree. top player, top kills, super unicum play for the tank and still -$29k credits with premium!

[winged barn]

$29k worth of credits
I'm sorry for your loss m8

[neat crescent]

My man just sold his 29k car for 29k$ worth of creds 😔

[vivid hinge]

I play tech trees all the time I never lose credits unless the battle is a loss look inwards at yourself not outwards on a new system

[shrewd tree]

Statistically mediums across the board have the lowest performance with damage per game and win rate

But no worries, I'm sure WG has a way to solve it. Something alone the lines of adding more light tanks with better armor and better damage output than mediums. Or heavies that go as fast as mediums with similar damage output while being frontally impenetrable to mediums. Or clippers with the same DPM as mediums. Then they'll buff 1 medium and then call it a day. Problem solved, medium powercreep is no more because only the E50M and Patton are good

All sarcasm aside with WG's new idea of balancing tanks off tank subclasses this problem will never get addressed because as it turns out basically having mediums be universally #### will just mean they're balanced. Or within their class at least, because they'll just remain subpar to both heavies and lights. On the other hand, with each introduction of new heavies and lights having to be strong to compete within its class it just digs a grave for mediums. Not to mention that this game is basically catering towards newer, inexperienced players, so naturally heavies are just going to get random buffs here and there

And if all of this sounds like BS, you can try it for yourself. Just yolo down medium side with something like an IS-7 or force 1v1s with a T100LT against meds. You'll be winning those individual fights practically 100% of the time

[fierce crag]

FV215b,T110E5 is simply TRASH
Will you ever played these tanks ever after that update
everytime i think of E5 and 215b,why don't you rather
put it as a tier 9 prem tank as you usually do?
I can't,even take advantage facing tier 9 tanks even i'm a PRO player
the Balance is simply a joke

[sleek grove]

@fierce cragi dont wanna shame you, but calling yourself a pro player with 2800 battles under your belt is a lil excesive.
your point is great, but u kinda overreacted.
next time maybe ackowledge your level before pointing out "facts"

[wide dawn]

Why would you wanna make the e5 and 215b tier 9 prems tho? 🤔

[fierce crag]

@sleek grove Don't want to shame you,I come from China mainland and there' s another server there,I simply play with my friends on Asia server,my account is exactly in China mainland server if you can find it,here it is,and this server is seperated from other server,only for china mainland,see?you never see someome's ID could contain Chinese

[fierce crag]

You know,for example,on PC,FV4202 is too TRASH even WG tried to buff it,it still sucks,it finally turns into t8 prem,another example,T30 used to be tier 10 Heavy on the top of American tank line,it is then removed to tier9 TD as what you see in tech tree,and ST-1 is removed to t9 to replace IS-4 to t10,WG used to do something like this,so this is possible,and more prem tanks benefit WG ecnomic:-D

[full token]

They can still be buffed. Don’t know what could replace the 215b and E5 at those tiers as the other options exist as premiums already

[surreal rivet]

I rather have them buffed to their old versions so T10 vareity of tanks will still stay the same

[main tulip]

unfortunately, blitz devs don't like changing the tech tree

[twin egret]

They made obj 263 a tier 10 to a tier 9 on PC
Yoh-VI is a tier 9 for ??? Despite the number

[leaden trout]

Honestly I think a E4 turret cheek and cupola buff would be well recognised among the community and would make the tank play absolutely stellar, imagine being able to reliably frontline in it, IMO make it an E3 with a turret as it should be

[raw geyser]

No.

[surreal rivet]

Buffing the cupola so only prammo can pen it would be interesting

[trail wolf]

Please fix the t22…. Being ammoracked in 3/10 games isn’t fun anymore

[wide dawn]

Being ammoracked in 3/10 games? That's pretty normal considering the chance of ammorack explosion is about 33% lol

[ornate shuttle]

e5 is trash but playable, 215b is just horrendous, without dpm its pointless
its a so awkward tank to play, slow, rear turret, no hull armor, average gun dep, big size, no hp
and whats the reward of playing such a tank?
Average dpm

[young atlas]

kran eheheh, this tank op?

[uneven narwhal]

This physically hurts me

[ebon lynx]

ST-I still at t9 and IS-4 at t10, nothing has changed

[fierce crag]

U misunderstood my what i mean,i mean,ST-1 used to be t10 and is-4 at t9

[stiff edge]

with those consumables its the most op tank ever

[ebon lynx]

Where ap and repair kit

[lucid lotus]

Gottem, although looking at the stats on the fv215b, while it doesnt have the strongest armor, it has great gun handling, great mobility (super consumable) and great dpm combined with british hesh. It can be awkward to play, though in the correct environment Im sure it can be very effective, it's kinda like wz113

[sharp saddle]

Mobility is fine but the super consumable got nerfed which hurt it, and outside of the consumable the tank is limited to 34 km/h which isn’t that great.
The reload nerf they gave it is just an example of questionable balance decisions they like to make, it was unwarranted.

As for it being effective in the correct environment, that can go for any tank ever. A bad tank can be effective in the ‘correct environment’.

[subtle steppe]

What's up with team stacking? This can't be coincidence! Green team gets players with below 5000 battles and below 50% victory, and red team is continually stacked with players with 10,000+ battles and +50% victory.
HOW IS THIS MATCH MAKING?????????
All players should start paying attention to this, especially paying players.

If it's wargaming using a gambling algorithm, I suggest the developers creat a new game and leave wargaming to fold bankruptcy.

[elfin wing]

You only check teams after a losing match, right? Because people tend to think "i deserve it" and/or "i earn that victory" after a winning match without comparing teams. In random matches tank types are considered not wr or stuff afaik. And even for your examples, 7 players for each game will tell "mm is biased, red team was obviously better" while the other 7 wont even check the teams and will say "we deserve that, what a noobies".

[trail wolf]

straight fax actually

[lucid lotus]

I really dont think the dpm nerf was a big deal, I reckon if they now buffed the tank's sidescraping capabilities, it'd be a disgusting tank to go up against + those hesh shells are just wonderful capable of penning pretty much everything from the rear with a handful of exceptions

[winged barn]

Nerfing the only thing the tank actually had isn't a big deal
Bruh
That's like nerfing the armor on the maus.

[lucid lotus]

Buff it's armor to compensate, problem solved

[stuck acorn]

for me the best way to solve 215b's problem is to remove and replace it. It just doesn't fit the line at all.

There are many tanks that can replace it. For example as we already have chief mk.6 in the game, why not add some other chieftain tank prototype/version?

Overally 215b just shouldn't come into the game as part of this line in the first place, same as VK 72 or FV 183.

We already have in the game tanks that could way better fit the line and come instead of them, but WG decided to implement them as collectors

[full token]

I was hoping the super conq would get added into the line

[sharp saddle]

Whilst the nerf to the reload was not huge, It is still significant to a tank that has always depended on having good DPM to compensate for other drawbacks. The Nerf was more significant in hurting the tank than it shows on paper

Sidescraping in this game isn’t that important or essential and buffing the side armour to accommodate that isn’t really going to improve the tank a lot.
Besides, The tank has never been about it’s armour profile. It has always been about the gun performance and it should stay that way. Undoing the reload nerf would be a good start

[uneven narwhal]

Make a record of it with proof to back you up

[distant river]

@subtle steppe Pls go gather data before making incorrect assumptions off your biased point of view, it's the best way to prove yourself wrong. Excel works perfectly fine if you want somewhere to start

[elfin wing]

This channel is not for complaining about MM btw @subtle steppe. Collect the data and show us all the "truth".

[subtle steppe]

More than happy to. :) I hope this draws attention to hve others start paying attention to who they're being pitted against by the wargaming algorithm. @distant river

[uneven narwhal]

@subtle steppe I can provide you with an Excel sheet all ready to go
I can also tell you how you can make the work a lot easier than having to click on each person's profile individually
The method also keeps a track of all matches for proof

And don't try cherrypicking games
If you wish, I'll send it here after my slowmode ends

[surreal rivet]

It is a big deal the DPM was it's main trait

[subtle steppe]

@uneven narwhal please. Ty

[lucid lotus]

It still has greater dpm than most heavies and among the best HE at t10

[unique scaffold]

@subtle steppe this is not a channel to discuss matchmaking. If you insist on discussing matchmaking please use #general-blitz-discussion or ideally some other server.

[unique scaffold]

Move on folks. Back to balance.

[young atlas]

t100 is so slow, it need speed buff

[main tulip]

This is wrong, IS-4 used to be a tier 9 that led to the IS-7, then the IS-4 was moved to tier 10 and the ST-I was added to fill its spot at tier 9.

[quick lichen]

@subtle steppe what exactly is your sample size for this? It certainly seems that you have not in fact conducted a scientific study over an appropriate sample size but have instead gone with the “just trust me bro” method

Not exactly. You’re horribly sucked into negativity bias (google it).

If you actually wanted to do something useful and try to prove your point, you could create a spread sheet where you compare your teams win rates (I would weigh them on battle count(I can explain what that is and why if you actually care)) and the enemies and compare after probably 200 games

You ranting here about bad mm has no actual grounding in objective data and the only reactions you will get are further subjective ones that either agree or disagree

You don’t and shouldn’t use anyone else’s data but your own if you were actually concerned with accuracy

So getting a sample of peoples opinions is utterly worthless

Also, @subtle steppe if you could refrain from breaking the rules, mentioning political figures and your profile status, that would be great

[lucid lotus]

🤐

[frail silo]

@subtle steppedidn't a guy already provide you with a sample ?
one was posted here before too
lmao

[subtle steppe]

@uneven narwhal ty for your help, I hope to get the data completed in a timely manner.

@quick lichen yes, I apologize, I naturally assume people would catch my sense of humor rather than be offended. I will remain aware in future posts. Ty

[prisma jetty]

Just do it yourself. I have an excel sheet courtesy of Parallax, I can send it to you. All you have to do is delete a few of my inputs and then input your own data

[subtle steppe]

@uneven narwhal the spreadsheet must include a spot for an individuals winr8, as well as the number of battles. Yours only has a section for winr8.
Number of battles also determines a players experience and must be included in the algorithm. It's impossible to put a player with 800 battles and a 90% wnr8 and expect then to have a chance against a player with 40,000 battles and a 45% wnr8. And when I show u the combination of data, you'll understand.

[prisma jetty]

Number of battles doesn't factor into any algorithm though? Besides, rerolls exist, as well as people who played a lot in the past, left, and have just come back to the game.

[unique scaffold]

@subtle steppe Stop discussing Matchmaking here. I’m not going to say it again

[quick lichen]

Some of that is on me tbh

[young atlas]

if i have already 15k games on my second account, does it still count as a reroll account? or do only accounts with 5k games count as them?

[raw geyser]

Pretty subjective to each other player tbh

[wraith trail]

it is nerfed by another way: other tanks getting hitpoints and armour buffs

[outer glen]

They r touching the grave and predator mobility
But they still dont touch anything on smasher
They are collectors

[winged barn]

The did touch the smasher
With a buff

[outer glen]

Only buff not a nerf meanwhile they can nerf the grave and predator

[full token]

The good thing here is they’ve nerfed a collector. Have to see if they still consider it a bug fix or not. The smasher with its reputation is a popular tank, both to own and to ask for nerfs to. If the smasher is getting a nerf the other collectors, and eventually premiums, are at risk of a nerf. They could be taking it slow to not cause a lot of backlash after years of letting people believe the collectors they sell don’t get nerfs.

[viral cobalt]

Centurion 1 really need a lil bit buff. Maybe the accuracy

[sour comet]

Tvp 50/51 reduce reload by 1-2 secs thoughts

[dense ember]

im thinking about placing 183 mm cannon on 4005

[hybrid ravine]

Gun is also lacking dpm

[worn valve]

Buff grille camo pls

[prisma jetty]

Mmmmm no.

[frail silo]

buff traverse please

[verbal orchid]

OHH JESUS pleeease buff his traverse speed

[uneven narwhal]

No

[nimble zodiac]

This is tank balance, not matchmaking balance, read the pinned messages

@pallid nest because it's random on skill level

If you want skill levels to affect it, do rating battles

[pallid nest]

@nimble zodiac welp, they made no appropriate channel for matchmaking discussion...

[uneven narwhal]

Glad they didn't, no one wants a channel full of people coming to cry about their losses

[worn valve]

Buff both 😅

[surreal rivet]

Although this isn't meant for mm I do agree that something should be done when you get 98 reports of inactivity

[uneven narwhal]

Make tickets then

[queen summit]

can we move the location of the tortoise loader, so they aren't spooning the machine gunner in the cupola? put both of them where they should be, behind the gun on each side. at least make it so crew and modules are in the correct spot, who cares about armor at this point. but at this point any tank crewed in actual life and "copied" into the game shouldn't even name the tanks the same.

[viral cobalt]

They should really buff centurion from the accuracy, penetration, mobility. Accuracy and penetration is by far the worse and need to be look at

[still jackal]

which centurion are you talking about? The tier 8 Mk.1 or the tier 9 Mk.7/1? The tier 8 in my experience doesn't really have problems with its penetration and def not with accuracy, it's a pretty averagely to slightly above average accuracy

[dusk willow]

There’s not really any place to put this, but will we get the gun sounds like PC WoT does? I think it would be really cool if we could get improved gun sounds or have an option to use new or old gun sounds depending on the player’s choice

[queen summit]

make better textures and gun sounds an OPTIONAL download so people with worse devices wont be hindered. many games have that already

[dusk willow]

Makes sense. Like with replays you can them turn on and off and they take up X amount of memory space

[sleek grove]

Better textures can be lowered with graphics.
About sounds, u cant change them with a click, u can disable HD sounds at most

[queen summit]

yes but downloading full HD textures, sounds and whatnot will still effect devices that dont use it, just because of pure file size, people already have mods for sounds, textures and more, the problem is its unofficial and not all devices can easily do it. its easily doable since WoT PC exists, but WG just doesnt seem to want to? or doesn't care or something

[unique scaffold]

Back to balance please

[surreal rivet]

Bald

[twin egret]

Let's just leave the people with worse devices behind 😎

[high flax]

ok, can the Annihilator please get a big nerf... it's DPS and reload is beyond overpowered, and it's armor pushes it to unkillable by any other tank

[unique scaffold]

That is a bit of an exaggeration

[high flax]

Still, it's near impossible to fight against when it's focusing on me

[surreal rivet]

I agree with nerf but that is a exaggeration lmao

[safe rapids]

Yeah
It’s mostly just annoying to deal with
I am sick of them, just like I’m sick of Progettos and Chimeras in Tier 8
I know the chimera is balanced (poorly), I’m just sick of seeing them every game. Nothing wrong with that.

[tulip imp]

Chimera is balanced

[winged barn]

For tier 9

[frail silo]

chimera isn't balanced

[sour radish]

Chimera is very strong yes, a little nerf to speed or armor and it would be fine I think

Progetto 46 the same, why play Panterra when you have a Progetto?

[tulip imp]

chimera is fine i kill it regulary with even lttb

[quick lichen]

Chimera is balanced on paper. People just don’t know not to trade shots with it

[distant river]

Chimera isn't really balanced, it competes pretty directly with the STG and T-34-2/3 and is pretty comfortably better than them.

It has significantly better standard pen, better or equal prammo pen, better dpm, better alpha. It then has better dispersion at the cost of worse aim time, so it's sort personal preference which is best, but generally people prefer dispersion because it can snapshot much better while not losing much when aimed in. So that give the chimera a much better gun than the others overall.

It then also has significantly more gun depression, but worse effective power to weight and traverse. The armour on the T-34s are more reliable on the turret, but the chimera gets all round trollish armour, so that caters more to worse players, so the tanks is fairly even in regards to the platform the gun is on, chimera being easier to play but the others having a higher skill cap.

Oh and then the chimera gets all the super consumables too, so there's pretty much no downsides to choosing the chimera over the other meds but a fair few upsides, and the performance stats reflect that (STG and T-34-3 are pretty rare to be played so stats are likely to be less accurate)

[prisma jetty]

Only thing I have to say is that it arguably competes with the 122TM as well, however this doesn’t change the fact that all of what you said is true.

[distant river]

Oops forgot the 122TM existed lol

[winged barn]

The 122tm is more of an IS-X competitor

The only thing medium about it is the hp pool

[candid seal]

Getting a lot of lag in game APAC server, any update about this? Is there any server issue?

[uneven narwhal]

no

[drowsy plaza]

@candid seal not balance related perhaps if you had checked a regional role you would have found #585464171349409811 technical channel

[stuck acorn]

i mean this chart is a fair proof also on other topic: which is overall balance of T8 and medium tanks class which is kinda bad. Tbf there is literally no meta tech tree tanks at whole tier except for Tiger 2 and emil 1 (fair enough caernarvon is 1v1 go to tank, but still it's far from being as good as most prems). And leave alone heavies now, they at least have those 2 tanks that are really good even when you compare them to greatest premiums and take a look at mediums.

Mediums themselves are fairly weak class getting completly outperformed by Lights which are basically mediums but better in most cases and heavies with their huge HP and armor advantage and without necesarilly big mobility loss. But when you take a look at tech tree mediums at tiers 6-8 it's even worse. I don't see any point at all to play any of those tanks except for pershing, T-44 and maybe a comet. And even those tanks are decent when compared to other meds, are still overperformed by prems and nearly all tanks of other classes.

i hope WG will do something about that sooner or later

[prisma jetty]

There’s also the T32, Caernarvon, and 53TP just dominating medium tanks, not just Tiger 2 and Emil 1

[shrewd tree]

And then even at tiers 9-10 it's funny that light tanks start to become better versions of meds (vickers cr/light, T100LT)

[prisma jetty]

Even the 301 and 54ltwt are better meds

[outer glen]

Sta1 needs a buff

[neat crescent]

54 lwt has been the same for years bruh, saying it now doesn't suddenly make it broke, it's armor even got worse after the one update, which at most got to 200-210 at most around the turret for some troll bounced

[prisma jetty]

Its got the gun of a med, same effective armor as a med, and yet it has more mobility. It is, for all intents and purposes a better medium tank

[neat crescent]

Show me a tank, a t8 med which has turret with 160mm effective armor which t6s can pen, besides the never touched t44 tech tree tank or sta 1 which follow the same path, oh and that front plate which is also not close to 150mm and anyone can butter

I quote "same armor as a med" which meds? The ones that haven't been touched in years? The CDC which is faster than it and has been known for mobility rather than armor? Same gun as a med? It's the "lightweight" version of the t54 at t9, it's comparable to the t44s and the 54 mod 1

[prisma jetty]

Well based on the armor you state off, the Pershing, T69, Pantera, and Cent 1 all rather well fit the bill

[neat crescent]

Oh yeah, the cent 1 the line of tanks which are known for the gun/speed currently but not armor?, T69 an autoloader, which most if not all in game lack armor severely for having more than 1 shell, Pantera, yet another line like the cent 1 but instead of s focus on speed they're auto reloaders, in t8 there are several t8 prems/tech tree who really haven't had their armour or stats touched, misclassified, as in, they could perfectly be lights but are classified as meds nonetheless, t8 is a mess for meds, but if you focus on the strong/often used meds you will notice just how comparatively weak it is vs other t8 meds, in armor at least while packing some speed.

say the chimera for example, which is slower overall but comparable, beats it in the armor/gun department 100%, defender, the cent mk5/1, even the super Pershing(somewhat), t54 mod 1 with it's recent speed buff and good armor the Chinese tanks(type 59/t34-2/3) to to an extent and FCM 50 t which for it's size is fast, got better armor and a good gun, but very hard to drive, bourrasque which is lighter, faster and stronger and still gets rng bounces 24/7, even the tech tree panther is better comparing armor but still weak in the armor spectrum since meds ain't meant to be heavies anyway.

[prisma jetty]

Sorry that I named off exactly what you asked for. That does not take away the fact that is has the same armor as the average med, but completely outclasses them with its speed.

[rare sleet]

the gun is pretty ass on the ltwt and the armor is not like a medium, 5 degrees of gun depression too. Tho luckily it has good speed.
The ltwt accuracy is not good compared to others in class, or other mediums
The Ltwt does not have good penetration on standard or premium
The ltwt does not have good gun depression
The Ltwt does not have comparable DPM to other lights and still lacks to some other mediums
The ltwt has mediocre alpha to make up for those downfalls
The ltwt does not have "Medium" armor it's armor is only troll at best
For all those qualities, the ltwt gains good mobility, on par with other lights, and decent camo.

All that aside, I do weirdly enjoy the t-54 ltwt, however I believe there are other better picks

[leaden trout]

Yeah

[neat crescent]

-The average pen for meds at t8s is 200-220+ 175 for t54 lwt
-Average dpm is 2-2.4k with all meds running extra dpm or vents instead of pen, tho above 200mm pen u can run extra dpm safely, with it sitting at 2.3k running extra dpm instead of CS which most will run.
-worst gun handling stats than at least half of t8s meds if not more

• 5 gun dep instead of 7-10 range for a bit more than half of t8s meds
  -good speed to pay for all else it's lacking, at least meds in t8 don't seem to catch up in all stats of speed/etc(well it's expected from a light)
  -med like spotting range but bad(since it's just the 264 base for t8
  -bad armor, rarely bounces and low HP pool
  -in the better half of wr of users but among the lowest meds vs t54lwt
  -🤔

[twin egret]

What are you two trying to say, that the ltwt needs a buff?

[stuck acorn]

i'd rather say ltwt is an exception as it's pretty well balanced in current state of T8 meds which is horrible. For now imo it should stay as it is, but when WG will finally start bringing T6-8 tech tree meds back to life it also should get a buff to not be left behind and become total trash.

This is the way how most trash tanks are created. WG forgets about pretty well balanced tanks when buffing big amount of thei competitors and leave them behind without touching for several years. STA-1 moment

[uneven narwhal]

out of this server preferably
But if you do want to cry, #general-blitz-discussion

[unique scaffold]

Some other server is the preferred place.

[wide dawn]

Not this server atleast.

[fossil marten]

Do you know that WG plan to bring back tech tree mediums from T6-8? If so that could have a knock on effect on tier 5 tanks. I mention this because I bought the RamII package today, was looking for a fun tier 5. I hadn’t realised how poor the penetration was, I guess because it’s a tier4 six pounder. It struggles to pen tier 6 mediums and esp tier 6 heavies. It could do with either a pen buff on the MK3 6 pdr or an alternate gun with less rof but better pen and alpha. e.g. the 6pdr MkV from the Matilda BP. Alternatively for a serious upgrade it could have a 75mm fitted because in 1947 that cannon was fitted to around 40 tanks. @stuck acorn

[nimble zodiac]

WG will not bring back those collector tanks, they will stay that way, but may become available in an event

[leaden flare]

Wanted to say mostly in BP but then remembered that there was the galactic riches where you were able to get some for free or the random Luchs for ads for some people

[nimble zodiac]

They were referring to tanks like the KV-13 (which was perhaps teased in the T21 event)

[uneven narwhal]

Who had the brilliant idea of giving the Waffle Spall Liner and RetCal?

[gleaming apex]

GOD_Papa_India#9857 was muted

franck78#5338 has been warned.

[stuck acorn]

weegee

[gleaming apex]

EMINEM00731#9422 was muted

[tepid dawn]

Oh geez what happened here

[nimble zodiac]

I can't tell for the top 2, but the most recent mute was of a player complaining about a bug of the game, not discussing tank balance

[silver urchin]

Once again asking for a rebalance on tiger 2:
Nerf lower plate to 90mm(-60mm)
Buff turret front to 250mm(+30mm)

extra idea that I don't know if it would work:
Make the first 105mm cannon as a alternative to the players that enjoyed the old cannon, 0.326 of gun dispersion but with a dpm of 1848

Tiger 2 would be fun and balanced :)

[pallid nest]

It is infuriating that WG nerfed accuracy on Cent 7/1 by 0,04, a huge nerf, and the armor buff to turret front is ABSOLUTELY USELESS. I get penned the same amount now on turret, possibly even more than before. And I lost a HUGE amount of accuracy in exchange for nothing.

[silver urchin]

First things first, centurion 1 and 7/1 should have higher armor turrets, centurion 7/1 should have a high dpm, FV4202 should have at least a turret

[dense oyster]

the 4202 has a somewhat troll-ish turret🗿
the cent has a decent turret for its tier🫖
both have 10 degrees of gun depp.⚡
the main factor for the meds are that they have 210mm of pen on their HESH with 440alpha🇬🇧
giving them more armour would make them too strong for the game's meta. and since the cent has the same gun at tier 9 and can face tier8's the dispersion nerf was imo deserved. ⚖️

[surreal rivet]

When they buffed the armor the only buffed the already strong part so basically there was no real buff at all

[neat crescent]

Nah, that's it's balanced and not super strong as what the other guy's been trying to say 🤔

[patent vapor]

Balance discussion
Meanwhile at tier 10:
bro what the image just... goddamit

[sleek grove]

wow who would have thought that t100lt is played by 23k players and yoh being played by almost half of that number

[viral cobalt]

I personally agree that wargaming should buff centurion tank

[solar zealot]

Buff IS-4 hp/w

[young atlas]

is4 needs 3000 hp ngl

[solar zealot]

WG should have left Heavy HP's as they were before, Maus at 3k IS-4 at 2650, Maus feels useless now with less HP's as I can't have 3k hp and use EA with it

[uneven narwhal]

Maus is still an extremely strong tank

[patent vapor]

balance

[wide dawn]

Kran is the best tier X heavy and no one can disagree to that, if anyone does then Skill Issues!

[solar zealot]

1.9k dpm nah feels like 2.5k

[gleaming apex]

Sgt_Thumper1#0664 has been warned.

[drowsy plaza]

TBH the long spotting mechanism need to go on the Obj 84 and T-100 Lt

[sudden granite]

But kran is weak lmao?
Where are you used to playing kran? Front line hulldown
Which new meta tank does the exact same but can also ammorack other tanks/has better armour/ higher alpha/ better speed/more hp etc?
Kran can only be used for td roleplay these days, atleast that is when you face enemies who know what they are doing
Also the t100 isn’t op kek
Medium with lt spotting/speed isnt op kek
The only med that can confidently 1v1 a t100 is the e50m, all the other meds die against it, but I guess thats balanced kek

[sleek grove]

kran aint weak, just bc it has higher skill requirements doesnt make it less powerfull. lmao

[distant river]

It doesn't change how powerful it is to some players, but to others it does so it changes how strong it is overall. The Leo is extremely powerful to like the two people in the world who can actually use it, but awful for everyone else. It doesn't make it a good tank, just one that needs more delicate balancing.

The kran is very accessible to bad players, pretty underwhelming to average players then it gets more abusable to good players, as you can see by the distance between the orange lines starting small, increasing then decreasing again. That means on the whole it's pretty average, and probably below average for a heavy too.

[sleek grove]

statistically its pretty bad, as shown in this pic.
the main problem when balancing a tank is keeping in mind the different skill level of certain players, cause if WG were to balance tanks accordingly to bad players, good players would abuse them.

so a tank like kran which is extremely great in good hand, gets a buff to accommodate under average players, it will become broken, again.

on the other hand, t100lt is still played by a few thousands of player who do extremely bad in it. Is that supposed to mean it should get buffed more so it accommodates to the worse side of its players?

[orchid grove]

Sounds like you’re using the wrong gun on the 7/1.

Use the 20 pounder B barrel. The AP has higher pen and DPM than the 105mm HESH, and the APCR has higher pen and DPM than the 105mm APCR.

The 3500 DPM on the APs just shreds through things, and it’s a lot of fun to play with

[quasi axle]

wait the 7/1 has 3.5k dpm?

[orchid grove]

It does if you use the 20 pounder, which is the actual top gun

[pallid nest]

@orchid grove not sure if the extra dpm is worth the really low pen and alpha at t9

[elfin herald]

T 100lt needs a nerf immediately 😒

[orchid grove]

Pen wise, it’s technically better than the L7B as the APCRs on the 20 pounder have slightly better pen than the L7’s APCRs. Sure you have less alpha, but the APs are far better at shredding through tanks than the L7 HESH, and it’s far more reliable.

[pallid nest]

@orchid grove you are supposed to shoot APCR on the high alpha gun and only switch to HESH when theres the right moment for it. And the APCR has high pen. I run it with pen boost that puts HESH around 230 pen. With the high pen gun you dont have to expose yourself so long and pen everything with around 270pen

[frail silo]

Imo both guns require 2 different play styles

[orchid grove]

You’re looking at it the wrong way. Both guns have a high damage, low pen option, and a lower damage, higher pen option.

The AP/APCR is equivalent to the HESH/APCR.

In general, you should shoot the higher damage option when you can pen, and only when you need more pen do you switch to the lower damage shell.

For both of these shells, the 20 pounder has better pen. The AP has better pen than the L7 HESH, and the APCR has better pen than the L7 APCR.

[thorn wind]

any news on obj 140?

[nimble zodiac]

No

[near wing]

The scavenger, this punchy little tier 5, its got bad dpm, bad pen on the 90mm and meh pen on the 75, and its got meh travese. This tank needs something, and I suggest a small buff to its turret, its not really well angled, and the hull is a good weakspot. But increasing the turret armor by even 30mm would atleast make it decent, along with some gun changes. That is all.

[nimble zodiac]

The Scavenger was fine until they released the busted Gargoyle

Such alphas like those don't belong in tier 5

The turret being "tier 8" is comedic

[stuck acorn]

alpha on gargoyle would be fine if it didn't have busted aim time, mobility, armor, and literally everything else except for gun dep and shell velocity lol

[near wing]

The issue with the scavenger is that you can pen pretty much any part of the tank Because theirs a weak spot there, at least make the turret stronger now that it's been power crept

[safe rapids]

It does have pretty bad dispersion bloom.
But still, it’s so cracked. Nightmare is a bit more balanced.
Gargoyle needs a nerf to its ROF, and possibly a nerf to standard pen or removal of the AP altogether. Make it’s HE the standard and the HEAT or AP it’s premium ammo.

[bitter copper]

Hello

[bitter copper]

I want to ask why do you refer FV215 with a string of added letters? FV215 is just called FV215. Also, why does the community calls T-84 Vasilyev "Object-84"?

[nimble zodiac]

FV215b and FV215b (183) are two different tanks, and Obj. 84 is called so in the game

But questions like those are better suited for #general-blitz-discussion , this channel is used to talk about the balancing of tanks and suggestions for balance changes for said tanks =)

[void patrol]

🤡

[fossil marten]

“For both of these shells, the 20 pounder has better pen. The AP has better pen than the L7 HESH, and the APCR has better pen than the L7 APCR.” @orchid grove
Does it? The 210 pen in the attached tank compare isn’t correct is it. Both the L7B (HESH gun) and the L7A1 (HEAT gun), the two tier 10 guns, have 255 standard APCR penetration with rammer and 268 pen with calibrated shells. Where’d you get the info from? Edit: ok I get it, the 210 is for the HESH, not the APCR you’re talking about. @orchid grove
I think the gains you’re referring to are marginal and offset by the exposure you have to risk in order to get the dpm out, compared to the HESH gun, which is really what that tank is all about. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[viral cobalt]

How bout centurion 1

[silver urchin]

I love how wg just hate f2p british tanks and nerf they until be almost useless

[unique scaffold]

The British lights would like to disagree @silver urchin

[prisma jetty]

The moment you realize they just buffed the 4202 so it wouldn’t be useless

[shut wadi]

If you believe me
…OG pz.IV had such outfit
And it was a nice one in it though very risky because you gotta delegate HTs to someone else

[nimble zodiac]

Hence they removed that gun. High alphas like that don't belong in tier 5

[stiff edge]

nah they do
teach people to not poke big alpha guns
seemingly a common occurrence

[sleek grove]

It's like the game tried to noobproof gameplay for a few years now

[cursive dragon]

Buff this tank since u guys use it for camo example

Its a shame if u use it and abandon it again

By using this tank for camo, atleast it remind them to buff it

[distant river]

And people still poke big alpha guns so it isn't teaching people anything... It's almost like people learn what they want to learn and most people don't, so having stupid alpha in low tiers is only benefitting people that abuse them...

[stiff edge]

maybe cause there arent many low tier derps anymore

[distant river]

Most players have gone through the lower tiers before they were removed and still learnt nothing...

[stiff edge]

most? nah half probably quit already

[winged barn]

Yea... 5.5 was years ago

[nimble zodiac]

Well at least seal clubbers can't abuse that high alpha anymore

That is until they released Scavenger, Nightmare, and Pz IV. Gargoyle 🤦‍♂️

[safe rapids]

Ikr. My reasoning is, if we have those tanks, just add the derps for the Tier V tanks back altogether, so noobs can enjoy them. It's not possible to one-shot Tier III vehicles with 410 HE alpha anymore too excluding some TDs, so just bring them back to the Hetzer, Sau 40, etc. as well.

[olive anchor]

I came back to the game a few weeks ago and noticed they reworked the battle results screen, yet removed the xp counter of everyone (but you, obviously) in the game. I feel like it hurts the image of players who do well yet don't score high damage. Is there a reason why the devs removed it?

[uneven narwhal]

They like ruining stuff that's already working fine
Although, this is the wrong channel

[twin egret]

It's been a while now that we had a update stats chart from #devs-answers

[sleek grove]

they stopped doing that cause of the new way of "balancing" tanks

[unique scaffold]

Did they nerf the ISU camo values? I seem to be getting spotted from quite a distance with no visuals in return

[tulip pollen]

it puzzles me why they didnt buff the 75mm SA50 mounted stock on the 13 90 when they buffed the same gun on the 13 75

[gleaming apex]

M4DREX#6853 has been warned.

[stiff bolt]

Hi

[scarlet fjord]

i havent played blitz for a while and now i see VK72 line getting tungsten shells I'm not sure but on paper this makes me believe VK is actually better now than E100 despite having less hit points by practically an entire penetration

[prisma jetty]

The thing is the VK72 line also now gets sandbags, which means the HP difference is negated

[stiff edge]

if the vk uses sandbags to negate the hp advantage it loses whatever it replaced it with

[mental pasture]

I feel like the balance team in WoTB is getting underpaid and then they're taking a revenge. There's no other reason to give tungsten shells and sandbags to Vk 72.

[elfin sentinel]

Depends on the player in the end still normally vk is now better but afterall im performing way better in e100 then with VK at the same time im not even scared a second of a vk72 since this thing is such a shot gun probably wont hit me anyways so what ever kekw

[unique scaffold]

why in the world was the T-54 ltwt’s turret armor decreased? Without that turret armor, the thing’s a absolute downgrade from the LTTB in terms of not only DPS but also speed.
Logically, nerfing the ltwt’s turret armor makes absolutely no sense. After all, why bother researching it if the only thing you’ll receive is a painful grind to the next tank? The thing is slower than the LTTB, has significantly less DPM and more reload speed, and feels more medium like than light tank like. Minor issue, a medium wouldn’t have that crappy armor that the T-54 ltwt has, making it just a utterly horrendous tank to play.

[quasi axle]

when did turret get nerfed

[prisma jetty]

Decrease in dps? The only downgrade from the LTTB is the mobility, but you gain quite a bit in other areas

[elfin wing]

Did you compare your maxed our lttb with stock T-54 ltwt? You sound like you just clicked on the next tank in the game, saw these decreases and came here to complain. If you really compare a full T7 tank with 50% crew, empty tank, just dont.

[unique scaffold]

I maxed the T-54, still find it to be unlike the lttb in play style.

Hell, I can’t even play the thing like I would a light tank. It feels like a ungodly mix of a medium and a light, yet it fills neither of the roles in my opinion.

[nimble zodiac]

tfw turret armor was actually buffed, not nerfed

Also don't play T-54 ltwt. like LTTB lol

[safe rapids]

The turret got slightly thinner when it received PBR. The weak spots are now bigger so it’s not bouncing as much as before.
The cheeks were nerfed from 180 to 160. It was not buffed @nimble zodiac

[nimble zodiac]

Ah I didn't catch the color change, I saw that they extended the 160mm to the sides a decent bit more, though

[safe rapids]

Yeah
It looks like a buff but it really wasn’t. Overall it’s worse now sadly

[nimble zodiac]

Any further opinions will be met with a doubtful assessment from me

[frail silo]

i think you mixed up both tanks here

[prisma jetty]

So the more versatile auto reloader with more effective armor is outclassed by the rather quick but unarmored autoloader which is useless for 20 seconds after it fires? Sure.

[gleaming apex]

lightsftwwww#5644 has been warned.

[winged barn]

Let's be honest here. The minuscule food/fuel bonus you replaced does basically nothing

All it does is eat more credits by replacing a baby consumable with a big boi

[latent snow]

No lightbulb? You are getting blind fired at

[ember arrow]

Obj. 260 need

49 km/h >>> 60km/h

[nimble zodiac]

Yeahno

[young atlas]

Also better accuracy and more armor and

[balmy obsidian]

Uh, I'm not sure where to ask this, but has anyone ever thought of making it able to save the x2, x3, x4, or x5 xp boosters ?

[iron compass]

Gee thats true, hate it when it applied to some off grinding tanks after winning a battle :v

[full token]

they arent boosters so they cant be saved up. Theyre multipliers. Activated on the next win

[balmy obsidian]

Still, they should be able to be kept and used on a specific tank when you want to, not have you battle with that tank in order to get the XP

[full token]

it sucks the way they are right now but they would be boosters if they can be deactivated when needed. WG's fault honestly, when they sell them in large numbers in bundles. All you could do is plan around them, so you hold off on buying anything with multipliers until you can use them effectively
Atleast they only get used on wins. An advantage compared to boosters, along with combining the effects of combat, free xp and crew xp boosters. The downside is not being able to choose which wins the multipliers apply to

[sleek grove]

The grind is already super easy rn, imagine if u could cherry pick your wins to use the x3, x5, etc.
Don't want more newbs in t10

[balmy obsidian]

I'm just spitballing here, I'm not suggesting anything really

[mossy lily]

I feel the T34 needs a buff. They say it’s gun is super good at Tier VIII but it doesn’t seem to pen shit until you start using APCR. Also, the aim time is stupidly bad.

[upbeat sphinx]

It's literally the best pen for tier 8 heavies
Both ap and apcr are amazing for tier 8, still work for tier 9.
The accuracy of the tank is not spectacular, but still workable.
The thing maybe to improve a little bit imho is the mobility.

[mossy lily]

I honestly haven’t been experiencing that. It’s mainly the accuracy; it’s just really bad for what it is.

[nimble zodiac]

Equip it out, refined gun really helps

[nimble zodiac]

While it’s not exactly that competitive anymore, it’s still a pretty balanced tank

[unique scaffold]

Lightbulb still functions normally but usually I can stay covert for half the round (no camping) till I'm spotted. Now, I roll up to a bush at the start of the game, stay completely still and I still get shot. By the time the bulb comes 3 seconds later I'm already doomed. Could be just bad RNG for the day, we'll see

[main tulip]

it has more pen than the E75 iirc -_-

[safe rapids]

By a whopping 2 millimeters

[sleek grove]

E75 is t9, whereas t34 is t8, so I'd say it has really good penetration, maybe aim better 💀 💀

[silk hamlet]

they should buff the hull to be like the t29

[mossy lily]

Honestly, it’s between the mobility and that aim-time. Refined gun does actually help, however.

[nimble zodiac]

🙂

[sleek grove]

man complained about pen, now about mobility and aim time.
make up your mind

[elfin sentinel]

Tbh i got nothing to complain about t34 since its perfect as it is rn sounds more like a skill issue to me when you dont pen anything with AP afterall its supposed to be slow and to have not the best gun handling/aim time you're playing a heavy not a medium boi

[uneven narwhal]

The weak turret is clearly the problem

[scarlet fjord]

You're talking about the wot blitz T34 with broken pen numbers right? 😂 I don't like saying this phrase but if you think T34 has bad pen that's a SERIOUS skill issue and nothing else

[orchid grove]

Sounds like you need to stop trying to trade against hull down enemies

[sleek grove]

we bullied him into leaving.
he got what he deserved

[north peak]

Rng does sometimes like to leave the enemy on 1hp

[sleek grove]

yeah but when your only contribution on this server is
rng really likes to mess with me
you kinda need help.

also notice how nobody complains when they get rng blessed and get left on 1 HP, you dont complain, yet your enemy will.

[pallid nest]

This is as much of a skill issue as it gets. Aim better. T34 can pen everything it meets without a problem even with AP.

[unique scaffold]

I love the t34, it may not have the best dpm but that's because it's old and it goes with it's turret armor and crazy pen

[nimble zodiac]

Heck, it's 2k DPM for a 120mm t8 heavy, that's pretty nice. Speed and hull armor are the two balancing factors

[scarlet fjord]

not gonna lie i think the tank is finely balanced
although lately there have been a lot of mobile heavies at tier 8 still if you're careful at hull down your gun is a monster and your turret is incredible its a fine tank

[uneven narwhal]

The MM balances itself out over time
You get good teams sometimes and you get bad teams sometimes

[ebon lynx]

The mm isn't related to player's skills

[wide dawn]

yes

[uneven narwhal]

No
You only notice the bad teams because only on a loss, do you check your teams

You'll never notice the good teams

[prisma jetty]

I don’t really see the problem here? Each team has the same amount of each type of tank and in the same tiers? You guys even had a smasher and you lost lol

[sudden path]

Ah so you want a team to carry you while you do 0 damage for a win
Hm
Skill issue
Also wrong channel

[nimble zodiac]

And complaining about it in an irrelevant channel makes it happen?

[sleek grove]

@sage root your career wr is 58%.
This means you are winning more than half of your games, so your rant is irrelevant lmao

[stray pivot]

Can we give the t62a or obj 140 improved gunpowder

[prisma jetty]

What would it do for them?

[stray pivot]

𝘓 𝘈 𝘚 𝘌 𝘙 𝘎 𝘜 𝘕

Another idea, give the maus sandbag, and reactive armor

Make a full defense built

[nimble zodiac]

You see, the point of a full defense build is that you lose offense by doing so.

Where's the loss?

[stray pivot]

Idk the gun or something

[uneven narwhal]

No
Special consumables = bad
Special provisions = bad

You want to balance, nerf the base stats, don't get lazy and introduce random things to tanks

[safe tundra]

We need to give t62a speed boost and reticle Cali, along with speed and upper plate buff it’s a joke btw don’t cuss me out please

[stray pivot]

Oh lord, reticle cali on t62a would let you hit the jageroo cupola 400m away

[leaden flare]

On the provisions I can't really agree or not fully at least

Sandbags I think is fine while things like the gunpowder either seem not needed or basically like a replacement for a Equipment which they shouldn't be

[uneven narwhal]

It's debatable I guess

[thin zephyr]

Should T-100LT balanced again?

[safe tundra]

Should get grammar u?

[pure tiger]

im still in doubt about that, because the t100 needs a good player to be effective on the battlefield, so it's not as op as people think it is

[scarlet fjord]

Lol why 62a its a phenomenal tank

[stray pivot]

Because it have 1996 m/s shell velocity with supercharger, so for the meme add improve gunpowder for laser gun

[upbeat sphinx]

That's the same reasoning behind the nerf of the FV 215b, so I guess the t100 Lt will get nerfed eventually.
Something I think about is nerfing the alpha from 310 to 280, so that DPM equipping double food and gun rammer would be 3k still.
Same thing should be done on the obj 84 as for now it is just better than the t 54 almost in every aspect.

[surreal rivet]

84 only needs a armor nerf

[twin egret]

I don't think armour nerf will do anything, simce the tank itself revolves around auto-ricohets

[prisma jetty]

Well nerfing it to the point where you can overmatch it would change that

[gleaming apex]

Professor#6526 has been warned.

[drowsy plaza]

@upbeat sphinx the 215b is still a great pub tank. Even I can get 3k+ average frontlining it (as a med) since the nerf.

[gleaming apex]

TheBomb949#0015 has been warned.

[elfin sentinel]

Indeed but i would rather have the dpm back since it was easier to mess with tanks like is4 and is7 ect in the fv then nowadays its kind of a sweaty fight as soon as they jump into your face since they pen every shot sadly

[drowsy plaza]

Then one could frontally HE it in a lot of tanks. The angle is just crazy so unless it’s paper thin it’s going to bounce people who don’t aim well, or have a troll Gun

[drowsy plaza]

I don’t disagree with the DPM or some other buff, but the gun is still pretty awesome - unlike the E5…

[elfin sentinel]

Yeah the gun is absolutely awesome for a heavy its for me the best gun handling so far from the t10 heavys next to chieftain mk6 and yeah e5 absolutely sucked even when it was meta imo cuz the gun didnt hit any Important snap shot and even aimed shots missed and then the armor profile is4s just pent it 24/7 with calibrated shells so i just switched to is4 back then and i regret nothing tbh

[stuck acorn]

and? would that be wrong? u can even give it some more horse power or smth in return, but being HEd in a light tank even frontally and even by heavies or high caliber meds shouldn't be anything uncommon which it actually is now because of ridicoulously stupid WG's balancing which is just making LT's better meds

[scarlet fjord]

i like the idea of nerfing T100 LT but i dont like the idea of having 280 alpha at tier 10

[lucid lotus]

Then it would bounce nothing just like french lights, the selling point of soviet lights is armor

[prisma jetty]

Bruh I was just pointing out how to get rid of auto bounce, I wasn’t actually suggesting that lol

[uneven narwhal]

I can't comment on the Object 84 since I never played it but armor, speed, a great gun, and broken Tracer Shell mechanics all on the T100 hardly seems fair to me

[prisma jetty]

That’s because they aren’t fair, the thing is stupidly broken

[dark wharf]

can u dev please remove the LOADER on the cupola of tortoise, it's so stupid to have a weak module on the weakpoint.

[deep shadow]

What do you guys think? Is this a valid prediction? What do you guys think of these changes listed in brackets?

Prediction of tanks that would appear 6 or more times (no asterisk) and 4 or fewer times (asterisk) in 10 matches (I made this up... this is not based on statistics...) in pubs in this "new" meta after the changes listed in brackets in 1 update around December of this year.

The numbers don't matter and the speed boost nerf of update 8.2 is reversed.

HTs:

1. T110E5 (pre-8.2)
2. 60 TP*
3. Kran (pre-8.2)
4. IS-7*
5. IS-4 (pre-8.2)*
6. Type 71
7. Maus (pre-8.2)
8. Concept 1 B
9. M-VI-Yoh*
10. AMX 50 B*
11. VK72.01 K*
12. VK90.01 (P)
13. FV215B (pre-8.2 & armor buff)
14. WZ-113*
15. T57 Heavy*
16. E100*
17. Chieftain Mk.6 (slight turret buff to make it not that HEATable)
18. Super Conq
19. AMX M4 mle
20. WZ-111 5A
21. T95E6*
22. Obj.260*

MTs:

1. M48 Patton*
2. M60
3. TVP T 50/51*
4. Leopard 1*
5. E50 M*
6. WZ-121*
7. FV4202*
8. Progetto 65 (gun accuracy buff)
9. 121B
10. Obj.140 (buff turret armor & old HEAT)
11. T-22 Medium
12. STB-1*
13. T62A*
14. AMX 30B
15. Kampfpanzer 50t
16. Obj.907

TDs (total increase in HP)

1. FV217 Badger (buff on-movement dispersion)
2. T110E3
3. Obj.268 (buff camo)*
4. Obj. 263 (buff gun handling to before 8.2)*
5. Obj 268/4
6. Grille (increase camo and nerf DPM?)
7. Ho-Ri (buff camo?)*
8. Foch 155 (buff to 600 hp autoloader and armor)
9. FV215b 183 (buff to increase turret armor and front plate or buff camo; or nerf turret armor and buff camo)
10. WZ-113G FT (increased camo?)*
11. T110E4*
12. FV4005

LTs

1. T100-LT
2. Sheridan (buffed to first released stats without missiles)*
3. B-C 25 T (buff camo to make it one of the most camouflaged tanks in tier 10; best camo in the light tank class)
4. Vickers Light*

[uneven narwhal]

Grille doesn't need a buff, neither does the 263

183 RetCal what....?

[deep shadow]

Got the 183 reticle consumable from some guys on CW Asia/ the 183 is either increase turret armor (front turret armor similar but weaker than an E100's and Obj260's) and front plate (previous update)/nerf current turret armor, buff camo, and give reticle consumable (or not) (obvious troll). 😄 The Grille's change is buff camo and nerf DPM, or do nothing at all

@frail silo Uh... Grille's traverse speed is fine... why did you say the Grille needed a traverse buff? I was suggesting the "buff camo and nerf DPM" to make it a more campy tank... the Grille should have better camo than the Obj 268's camo, if not the best camo in tier 10. Grille as second line support is fun... "using others as meat shields" (above-average players that like to be aggressive).

@dark wharf I had almost forgotten about the Chieftain's turret lol... the cupola is fine.... just a slight buff to the turret to stop some HEAT works. However, what's with the HE rework? The HE system is perfect (cough except for ghost shells cough).

[uneven narwhal]

Grille is fine as it is imo
Admittedly the camo is bad, but the DPM is lovely and it makes up for it

As for the 183 RetCal, just a big no

[frail silo]

only buff it needs is traverse

[deep shadow]

These past 3 years... I feel that Wargaming is actually listening to us...recent Vk72 buff (makes it unique compared to other German Hts) and the test of buffing Tds' HPs (for tier 10...I'm not sure if this is the goal) by buffing some Tds' HPs in tier 8 (I saw quite a number of people...including myself... wanting that only a few months ago).

[dark wharf]

Chieftain mark 6 for me need to be buff at the turret, too many holes and the cupola is HE able which is bad...maus need more health,kran need to be more mobile (or dpm buff), foch 155 need some love in the accuracy department, grile is of course camo, but of course, what I want is HE rework, getting spam by HE is just disgusting.

[uneven narwhal]

HE rework....
The comedy channel would be in #general-blitz-discussion sir

[dark wharf]

It's a fair argument, like a non pen he on vk 72 can deal around 50% dmg of the normal ap shells is just ridiculous, or the super conq player getting HE spam, for the SQ not getting he spam is buff the turret armor which is insane, make the non pen HE dmg is dependent on the armor thickness, the more thick the armor, the more lower the dmg of the he, and max is 50% of the normal shells..

[dark wharf]

but then again, it's quite complicated, and then again it's not a major problem, how bout premium ammo ? I think for the game to be more competitive, it need to limit of how much premium ammo u can take especially on comp/tour, so it more skill dependant and fix the problem of the foch armor, like the foch,e100 and alot of tank have quite good armor, until the enemy use premium ammo tho, I mean yeah, wotb already quite balance it by reducing the dmg of premium compare to normal but I think it's just not enough, or add some feature on changing ammo reload penalty like on wot.

[deep shadow]

Oh well...you're the one who brought up comp/tour balancing.

Prediction of tanks that would appear in this new meta after the changes listed in brackets. Includes super speed boost re-buff to pre-8.2

Tanks that would almost always appear in tourneys.

All tanks with * are tanks that are only used in special situations and strats in comp. i.e. Don't appear as often but will still appear.

HTs (total nerf in spotting):

1. T110E5 (pre-8.2)
2. 60 TP
3. Kran (pre-8.2)
4. IS-7
5. IS-4 (pre-8.2)
6. Type 71
7. Maus (pre-8.2)
8. Concept 1 B
9. M-VI-Yoh
10. AMX 50 B
11. VK72.01 K
12. VK90.01 (P)
13. FV215B (pre-8.2 & armor buff)
14. WZ-113*
15. T57 Heavy*
16. E100*
17. Chieftain Mk.6*
18. Super Conq*

MTs:

1. M48 Patton*
2. M60*
3. TVP T 50/51*
4. Leopard 1*
5. E50 M*
6. WZ-121*
7. FV4202*
8. Progetto 65 (gun accuracy buff)*
9. 121B*
10. Obj.140 (buff turret armor & old HEAT)*
11. T-22 Medium*
12. STB-1*
13. T62A*

TDs (total increase in HP)

1. FV217 Badger (buff on-movement dispersion)
2. T110E3
3. Obj.268 (buff camo)*
4. Obj. 263 (buff gun handling to before 8.2)
5. Obj 268/4
6. Grille (increase camo and nerf DPM?)*
7. Ho-Ri (perhaps buff camo?)
8. Foch 155 (buff to 600 hp autoloader and armor)
9. FV215b 183 (buff to increase turret armor and front plate or buff camo; or nerf turret armor and buff camo)
10. WZ-113G FT (perhaps increase camo?)*

LTs

1. T100-LT
2. Sheridan (buffed to first released stats without missiles)*
3. B-C 25 T (buff camo to make it one of the most camouflaged tanks in tier 10; best camo in the light tank class)*
4. Vickers Light

This ^(and some other minor buffs and nerfs) along with a tank banning system, some new mechanics, and new maps (with some climbing spots) give the comp scene more creativity and variability.
lol... I may have been spamming this ^ at almost every "balance discussion" place there is... especially regarding tourneys

[deep shadow]

Dude... this is a balance discussion channell lol 😄

[unique scaffold]

Stop
Discussing
Matchmaking

[wide dawn]

👆

[gleaming apex]

Vuuna#3429 has been warned.

[hybrid cedar]

So why change the tanks shell pricing to match tier and dmg when in reality not a lot of ppl like to spam prem shells already bc of the cost?

[scarlet fjord]

lol no retical cals for 183
i play it frontline and anyone that wants to do more than 900-1200 damage per battle is going to have to implement that idea in their mind as well
it does need a buff if you want most people to be able to play it
i can play it completely fine but the number of people that can play that tank in that way is extremely low you dont need just good skill overall you need to have patience timing the ability to know which tanks are most vulnerable to ambush the knowledge of where can 242 HESH penetrate can you win a 1v1 should you push this tank etc
most ppl cant do that so if u want most ppl to be able to do that i guess buff something that will make the frontlining more comfortable

[nimble zodiac]

Often the cost is easy to cover for players. Premium shells aren't too vital to a player's effectiveness, as it only eases the ability to penetrate enemies, when standard shells often can still do the job anyways.

From what I've seen, people almost spam it too much, unnecessarily so xD

But in general, it could be thought of realistically, good shells will be expensive ones

[dapper osprey]

no it needs its 250 auto ricochet turret and 90 mm upper plate that’s better then most meds

[drowsy plaza]

Turret is an easy pen even for tier 8’s.

[stray pivot]

T30 HP buff till it's the same as the T34 or atleast 50-100 less

[indigo skiff]

Hey devs, please make the grille camo a bit better and why is the camo while moving and firing better than while still?Please adress that
Regards
Masterblast

[sage root]

nerfs grille camo on those last 2 there you go

[indigo skiff]

Bruh

[candid steeple]

Was there really a need to make M-Vi-Yoh commanders hatch random 300mm of armor? Like tank is not OP enough. WG at it's finest. They just have to make new heavies be dominant in every single way possible. Good job.

[nimble zodiac]

You shot a 120mm plate, which happened to unfortunately be angled nearly 70 degrees, effective enough to nullify 300mm penetration

It's usually not a problem when Yoh doesn't face upwards, actually

[candid steeple]

Yes and it's annoying how there is that spot at literally the middle of the hatch that you have to shoot because accuracy and rng is trash. I just love it. Entire turret armor of M-Vi-Yoh is just a troll fest to pen and they also had to make hatch like that. WG at it's finest. I would have won that game if I penned..

[stiff edge]

aim to the left bozo

[winged barn]

At which point the yoh turns its turret to counter that

[prisma jetty]

Just aim at the Connection points

[sleek grove]

You would believe players would chose to shot at the grey area, instead they shoot at the red one and complain

[rare tendon]

yo, can I mention a suggestion to buff B-C bourrasque effective p/w ratio for the fun factor (from 22.9 to 25/26, basically 2/3 flat points on each terrain tipe, I guess now is when people jump at my throat 🤣 I just want fun handliiing the thing is slugish as fffff****k for having a light body...

same for amx 13 90, so boring to play with the medium handling, its such a downgrade from 13 75

[scarlet fjord]

i had no issues with the french lights i enjoyed them and that was before they got buffed could be just me

[rare tendon]

oh I love them, I play them the most, and I'm devoted to them, regardless of the sate of the tanks, so I have fun, that dosnt mean that they are, specially the bourrasque, i do really well in it (but in exange im going bald for playing it, for how much you have to tryhard due to the bad dpm/ long reload, compared to progetos/chimeras etc, that you can chill and have fun), but in exchange of the burst, you have x2 apcr types ammo that sucks, troll gun handling (I can understand those being the bad sice of having the burst) but the u add bad dpm ( i woldnt complain since everyone would cry their eyes out) but the handling?, you have +18 seconds of reload, let me have fun driving at least, feels like i'm on a volkswagen microbus, and no, the top speed is just a placebo, it dosnt count half of the time edit: the current wn of the tank dosnt count, mostly good players have it, when everyone gets the tank, its going to be way below of his current ranking

[scarlet fjord]

most of its stats are second to last
pen mobility and gun handling in the light category all that for the best in class camo
it might need a buff afterall but i haven't played it for a while so i cant say anything
I'm talking about 13 90
in fact 13 75 has more DPM and a 1.33 clip while 13 90 has 2.5 seconds xd
and alpha is pretty much there (tier for tier)
buff the DPM i would say to 2500
or fix the clip to 2 seconds or smt like that
on paper it looks this way

[rare tendon]

I dont even play 13 90, sold it long ago, I rather play 13 75 exclusively being low tier in t8 100% of the time, than play 13 90, just for the mobility, and im talking pre 9.8 buffs

[rough mesa]

You just don't know how to fight them.

[scenic stone]

Of course because VK72 is suuch a common tank that you see every game /s
And it's sooo OP with it's insanely good 17s reload for 350HE splash alpha able to decimate the entire enemy team in mere 20 minutes. /s
And poor hulldown meta (read: terrible) tanks are getting absolutely wrecked by it and no one plays them because of it /s

I left wot PC because they pampered to the braindead hulldown meta and HE butchering was my last straw.
Would hate to leave Blitz because of it too.

[elfin sentinel]

True or a very crazy idea going for the upper plate like most tanks instead of the cupolas some ppl got a real brain and skill issue and then they complain about bouncing smh

[leaden flare]

now imagine going for the HE weakpoint on its frontal turret which in facehug is hittable with some slight rng

[dark wharf]

well this is not only VK 72 but any other 150mm high alpha spam he dmg man,to be like wot pc is not a good thing too, the problem w hull down meta is that there's no weak point to shot when the tank is hulldown, lucky wotb doesn't release FV4201/t95 , but then again they release the concept 1b, they need to add some hull down god tank a weakpoint, like the chieftain mark 6 w it's cupola, what i said is not nerf it until it's pointless, but at least make it senseable, a 60tp w it's 500MM hull down turret shouldn't ez to get he spam and have no different in dmg compare he non pen to any other tank with more lower armor, 50% of the normal dmg is still insane IMO especially it really can dmg module too even if it's not pen, plus the wot PC nerf the HE cuz the SPG and at this point I'm just rambling, it's hard to discuss thing in this kind of chat for me.

[gleaming apex]

Kitten#1166 has been warned.

[drowsy plaza]

Grille is already too potent in pubs. It’s my go to for wins in a TD.

[sleek grove]

Grille goat td.
If only it had actual camo or pre nerf speed

[scenic stone]

There is only 2 T10 HTs with 150mm HE, VK and E100, both of which can be easily penned through their turrets so at worst you're trading 350 for 350 but your gun has a better reload.
60TP has trash HE with only 680 alpha which isn't that much higher than 130mm on IS7 and similar that have 600 HE alpha which isn't really a problem.
Then you have TDs most of which 1. Have no turret so are easy to avoid and 2. Have enough pen on AP/Gold that they can blap you for more straight through your turret.

And on PC they didn't touch SPG HE mechanics, they only butchered the regular tanks HE by turning it into really really really trash HEAT.

[jagged crescent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/746134467881599037/959236881562877952/NewConsumables9.0.png interesting

[dark pike]

welding unit gonna be the new adrenaline

[karmic portal]

Horrible ideas for regular mode

[hybrid ravine]

^

[main tulip]

new consumables are a horrible idea

[wicked light]

I thought it was new ability

[dark pike]

guess whether these are april fools jokes or actually being introduced into the game

[safe rapids]

They are real, they've been in testing for a while now...sadly
Good that WG isn't letting you stack the welding kit and reactive armor however...the HE module damage increaser is just dumb and pointless, barely anyone will use it I feel.

Edit: it does appear that if you move while using the welding kit it will be less effective-for the 35% increase one you cannot move at all.

This is basically making nubs not have to worry about poking out and losing all their HP. I guess we don't need to care about saving our hitpoints anymore...

[quasi axle]

i dont believe they've been in testing

[wicked quest]

They were originally going to add Welding kit to the fv215b in 2019 when it was getting its buffs it was ridiculously broken and horrible as a concept then and because of it wargaming received backlash instantly and were clowned on it fun fact also in 2019 they created a channel specially for creating ideas for consumables called #consumable-ideas not only did the channel prove to be absolutely worthless it just mocked WG for as long as it existed until it was removed

[safe rapids]

Chimera is already a great tank, and in my opinion one of the most overcooked tanks WG has put out.
The last thing it needs is a buff.

[nimble zodiac]

-30% respect for future opinions

440 alpha in one shot for a tier 8 medium is pretty nice, and you get the ability to nullify some damage that may otherwise kill you

[karmic portal]

Enough trolling man, chimera is op asf

[uneven narwhal]

Chimera is one of the best performing Tier 8 tanks
Think again

[frail silo]

ironically bourrasque is not nearly as good
get good

[safe rapids]

“only” 200mm
Not everything needs insane armor, and the Chimera already has decent armor for a medium. I wouldn’t jump so quick to getting onto a hulldown meta, WG is showing that they can release tanks with poor turret armor or poor gun depression and not resort to “generic 8+ dg of gun dp and unpennable turret with no weak spots”
Keep in mind blitz isn’t like PC which has a much worse toxic hulldown /prammo meta

Don’t use reactive armor if you want

The chimera is a support medium that can play defense very well and make a push if it’s got support. The 122 TM is arguably the better offensive medium.

If you think the chimera needs a buff you’re probably just bad. Trust me, I’m not the best player but I can tell that the Chimera needs no buff whatsoever.

[uneven narwhal]

STB-1 is still a good tank due to its hulldown capabilities in a hulldown meta; just like you said

Chimera is in one of the top 20 tanks by Relative WR at T8 and the 4th best performing vehicle in pure WR
Your point?

Three vehicles being better performing stat-wise (the sole reason being that a large number of players haven't gotten their hands on them yet, the stats go down when they do) doesn't mean the Chimera needs a buff
It doesn't need to be the best performing tank, it already is one of them

[safe rapids]

Keep in mind this is the same person who said Progetto 46 is worse than the Lorraine…I’m taking everything you say with a grain of salt. @subtle holly

Chimera also has great mobility for the class and the caliber of gun it mounts.

[frail silo]

you also ignore the fact that there is not nearly as much bourrasque and t56 players as there is chimera players.
get good
Chimera is an OP medium with that alpha and on top of it super consumables for god knows why reason.
RAAC is below bourrasque, would you call it worse?
get gud
i am curious about your opinion about the t-34-3 and t-34-2

[uneven narwhal]

@safe rapids @frail silo
His message history tells me that he exists solely for the purpose of trolling on the internet for attention because people don't hug him IRL

I'd suggest not responding to his messages any further

[frail silo]

lol you are delusional
T-34-3 is way worse than chimera
doesn't have nearly as much gun depression, nor as good of a gun with trash regular ammo pen
and the turret armor can only go so far
chimera can do whatever the T-34-3 does but way better.
i don't care what you got to say beyond this, get good.

[surreal rivet]

The consumable leak look like a dumb idea healing in normal mode is just no

[full token]

Considering the date today I am not believing any leaks and new info for a duration of 24 hours

[main tulip]

122 TM is pretty bad, it's basically an IS-3 with more gun depression and slightly more speed in exchange for having horrible penetration, larger cupolas, and a lower healthpool. And seeing how the IS-3 is fairly average or meh nowadays, it's not a good sign for the 122 TM.

[little dock]

the T34-2/3 has the worst dpm but a gud gun with dmg,a decent turret armor and speed,the Centurion 5/1 has Hulldown capabilties like STB 1 which has gud gun dperession and head armor,the centu 's gun can be used to support others since it doesnt have a high dmg shot but with a speedy reload for a tier 8

i agree @safe rapids for the chimera,chimera is more to a defense line bcus of the gun,dat deals 400-500(hit chance).since it dont have much armor on the head but,a gud gun can be used to flank high dmg to drain the enemy hp faster,for a slow reload likr dat need to take cover b4 fire again

(im not a pro or nothing,but dats my opinion)

[rough mesa]

Uh, most of the turret is gun shield?

[pallid nest]

Skill issue. Chimera is bordering on OP

[coarse flare]

Why obj 260's hull armor weaker than IS-5?

Object 260 actually need buff
Increase turret, hull armor

[little dock]

have u use the Equipment?

[unique scaffold]

Actually the tank is kinda more OP compared to action X in terms of gun handling imo
No offense but he has a skill issue

Buff AX so

[karmic portal]

Bro if you don't think chimera is good you a clown, since when are people talking down the chimera. If chimera isn't good what about other tier 8 meds. Those must be in the graveyard

[coarse flare]

@little dock u mean increase amor plate? Maybe it works +4%?

I already used it, but i can't feel it works.
Everyone can easy to pen 260's hull armor like t-54's AP shell

[unique scaffold]

The chimera is OP in three categories
Mobility,
Alpha dmg
Accuracy
It has good accuracy for its gun caliber and the armor on the chimera doesn't matter at all since your facing meds and your flanking
(Edit1) actually more if you want to add more

[karmic portal]

Chimera is the perfect pub tank, it allows you to farm damage while minimizing time exposed where you could be taking damage, and is very flexible with its great gun depression, reasonable armor combined with reactive armor, and decent mobility. Idk what more you can want from a tank that isn’t annihilator/smasher broken

[dreamy osprey]

Buff autoreloading system

[winged barn]

Ah, its april fools. Makes sense

[frail silo]

i hope so

[scarlet fjord]

Are you kidding me???? Buff Chimera?
April fools joke?

[unique scaffold]

Hi

[scarlet fjord]

Chimera is one of the most op tanks in tier 8 change your dealer mate

[surreal rivet]

It's a Prem it won't get buffed

[unreal grotto]

They’ve buffed prem tanks before I believe

[prisma jetty]

The only thing they won’t do is need premiums lol

[unique scaffold]

They can buff premiums, but not nerf them

[full token]

they can nerf them. They just dont want to

[scarlet fjord]

idk why you would ping Alexandra lol mods just might get mad

[unique scaffold]

Well actually they have it in their policy due to nerfing a prem back In The day on PC and they received a lot of bad feedback and stuff so they said they'd never do it again, look at the kenni for example. Wg didn't realize until after they released it and people bought it. That's why they test tanks, but sometimes they're still op, like the kenni and smasher and stuffs. People could sue wg for changing something they buy

[full token]

doesnt say they cant nerf them

[prisma jetty]

They’ve made it a habit to not nerf premiums. That does not mean they cannot nerf them. And if they do nerf something, how could people sue them? They got the product, they bought it understanding that’s it’s statistics could be changed. They just don’t nerf premiums because then they’d sell less of them

[uneven narwhal]

They have the ability to nerf anything to the ground
They just don't do it due to playerbase lashback

[little dock]

well,260 is not like a is 7,but 260 is gud for speed,DPM and gun handling than the is7,i sometimes see ppl hide the body behind rocks or hills,but exposing only the head(and,also hide the cheeks,a weakspot for the 260),and bcus of the good speed,u maybe can play like a med,a 8 sec reload can flank them gud

and,when compare fronter plate armor,is7's armor has more mm than the 260 (its almost like a is3 with a big head but with a best gun)

i dunno,i dun have this tank but some playstyles like MT or HT type can be used to this tank,since when PC ver playstyle,i saw ppl use it like a aggresive but need to cover weakspots and take gud position to play it correctly without hesitate on the state of the armor

[midnight linden]

Super Pershing on wotpc:

[coarse badger]

Players accepted EULA. If you read it you would know that they can't be sued for nerfing premium

[unique scaffold]

Well I didn't read it lol

[elfin wing]

You can sue but you cannot win. The main problem is the future of the game. Will you keep buying stuff if you cannot be sure about its performance in "at least" near future. Of course the performance difference can be reduced via buffing rest of the tanks but it will be a slower process.

[wicked quest]

How exactly though? Legally by buying something that’s entirely pixels and digital you abide the rule that because it’s digital you accept that it can be altered or changed at any time rather than being physical or limited

[winged barn]

I would prefer a balanced game than a complete mess to play.

Also, if they refuse to nerf premium tanks, they should refuse to buff them.

I purchased the horribly underperforming tank. It had better stay that way.

If I buy a tank for the meme and then it becomes unmemed, you nerfed what I got the tank for.

[surreal rivet]

50t with the DPM is has makes Leo cry

[coarse badger]

Any tank can be altered at any time. They simply don't nerf op premiums because it would reduce future profits. Power creep is used instead.

[dapper jewel]

Buff wz 111 8tier

[unique scaffold]

Guys what do guys think about the king tiger
Do you that the tank needs a nerf or a buff?

[winged barn]

It needs an upper plate buff and a lower plate nerf

[coarse badger]

It's strong against players who don't know what premium ammo is and slightly above average Vs people who know. I'd say it's quite strong overall and doesn't need any changes. Power creep will do it's job

[sleek grove]

Average Joe won't buy more than 1 premium tank, mainly for credit grinding, why shouldn't that tank be op?
Op tanks generate more money for WeeGee than a lame slightly modified tech tree tank

[winged barn]

And here we have an advocate for an unbalanced game.

[rare tendon]

the game is already umbalanced when you have to play 1v7 70% of the time, as long as t10 remains balanced for e-sports, having borderline op tanks like chimera, 46, etc, dont hurt the game (annhi and smasher aside, wich completely ruin t6, and are more op than they should at t7) edit: to the guy below, do you?, no i dont, as i said 70% of the time you have to play 1v7

[full token]

you dont get 6 other teammates?

Weird, all my battles are 7v7

[winged barn]

Wow, all those 50%ers solo win against 7 tanks half of the time? That really impressive

[rare tendon]

do you guys need everything pre-chewed? do you count people doing avg 400 dmg as a teammate? afks? trolls...

[distant river]

Seeing as that's +400 not -400 I think that fits the definition of a teammate

[nimble zodiac]

Well the way your argument sounds terrible is the assumption that it’s always just your teammates

This game is intended as “the better team wins”. If the enemy has the better team, then so be it 🤷‍♂️

[rare tendon]

Yeah yes I know in tee long run it's just 50% but that's not how you feel it, easy not to pay attention to easy sesions but then u get all the trash teams on n entire day and leaves more impact. Matchmaking wasn't the point anyway , I was talking about borderline op tanks below TX not being problematic

[nimble zodiac]

Well, specific aspects of tanks can be suggested for a nerf, what would fit your fancy?

Perhaps increase the first shell loading time for Progetto 46?

Remove the superconsumables from Chimera, along with a slight accuracy nerf?

Set Smasher's alphas to 560/490/700, while decreasing reload time by 0.3s and nerfing dispersion to 0.410?

Nerf Annihilator's turret so it isn't a tomato when it gets to dump 630 damage from a hulldown position?

[unique scaffold]

@rare tendon this isn’t a channel for you to complain about matchmaking or other players in.

[rare tendon]

yeah mb, I just made a comparison and got out of hand. @nimble zodiac Uhm I didnt mention to nerf those tanks, I actually said the oposite, that I dont think they hurt the game (Progetto 46/ Chimera lvls of "op") altough the superconsumable for the chimera I recognice its way to strong Progetto 46 is fine, smasher and annihilator on the other hand yeah, honestly I dont even mind the smasher because luckily you only find one good player in it twice a year, but the Annihilator is waaay too noob friendly aka roll forward and abuse the insane dpm (wich is what I would nerf, so they can keep the unique/fun of the burst)

[nimble zodiac]

I'd still strive to balance out tanks anyways, even if they're below tier10

[near wing]

I got the obj 260 from megacrate, and after about 40 games on ransoms, it's quite shit. It's fast yes, but it's as big as a barn and a awful hull, the dpm is subpar and the mobility doesn't matter much when you take into account as I said, it's bloody massive.

[rare tendon]

I agree, but not nerfing necesarely, I have almost 3k battles on Progetto 46, and for me is the definition of fun gameplay, I rather buff each t8 acordingly to all have a healthy fun factor than to nerf it and make it boring (= I wouldnt play it) , the chimera yeah, I have 1,5k games, and I would take out the superconsumables, but I would like to see buffs to t-34-2, t54 lwth (mostly pen, and a bit of dpm maybe) type 59 dpm and pen, BC bourrasque p/w ratio, tiger 2 upper plate buff, with low nerf as someone said above, t-44 pen... there is so many easy fast changes that would help all the tanks getting overcreep

[winged barn]

Easy fast changes: deal with 75% of the tanks in the game that are getting powercreeped

The not fast easy changes: nerf (balance) the few overpreforming (unbalanced) tanks.

[surreal rivet]

In the long run the mm is 40% guaranteed win/loss 30% up to you

[jagged crescent]

50t either needs reduced dpm or the Leo needs better gun handling/penetration

[drowsy plaza]

How do you explain 70%+ players.

Regardless not the channel for MM etc discussion use #general-blitz-discussion

[dapper osprey]

this says enough.

[quasi axle]

Hello Skill_Issue [GRNMO], if you move your reticle slightly to the left it is no longer a problem.

[unique scaffold]

Aim for the track wheel

[dapper osprey]

if you look closely my crosshair is on it, the point is that a light shouldn’t have that much armor

[prisma jetty]

Oh no, a low penetration medium tank is looking at a highly angled tank, whatever shall we do?

[safe rapids]

Normally I’d say “whatever this is fine”
But the Obj 84 still has great armor for a light tank.

This seems to be due to a change in meta WG is creating, where they are redefining light tanks to be more like support vehicles and flankers (essentially toned down meds) instead of primarily scouts. Scouting isn’t really a big issue in blitz because of the smaller maps, so obviously keeping in light tanks or introducing ones that were originally balanced for the PC meta isn’t the best thing.

Probably why we got the Vickers instead of the Manticore, and the BatChatAP armor buff.

[prisma jetty]

imo this screenshot is rather misleading. The tank being used to shoot at the Object 84 has very low penetration, and is a tier lower. The upper plate in this case is only around 200mm effective, enough for anything with average pen to go through. All the rest are auto ricochet, unless you look just a bit left and have the entire side to shoot at.

Don't get me wrong, it has too much armor. It's just not as good as the screenshot implies

[safe rapids]

Like I said, it’s all because of WG trying to redefine the role of a light tank-essentially a lighter medium instead of a paper thin scouter.
We’re so used to judging lights based on how they were balanced originally that any light with some sort of armor is crazy OP
Granted the T100 has cracked armor, but it’s really more the fact that it’s so goshdarn SMALL that it gets a ton of bounces. It’s so flat no one can even shoot it at this point…

Anyway I think this is just how WG is balancing lights now. I think they were too heavy handed in the T100 but the Obj 84 is actually decently well balanced, with meh DPM and very mediocre mobility (for a light). Still the upper plate angle is total bull.

Expect more of these “medium” lights in the future I say. That doesn’t mean WG will quit making paper thin tanks, but there will be a lot more of “armored” lights in the game now (there already are plenty)

[surreal rivet]

Have you ever seen anyone with more than 80% wr with a decent amount of battles?

[dapper osprey]

have you not seen any eu/ru comp players

[nimble zodiac]

They were talking about 70%+, not just 80%+

And quite a few exist

[surreal rivet]

Yeah a few..

[nimble zodiac]

Your wording was against their existence, not prevalence

[surreal rivet]

yeah right... I said 80%+ because there will be exceptions

[stuck acorn]

Lights were never scouts in this game, they always had guns comparable to mediums, but they always required way more skill to use effectively because of really weak armor profile. It didn't mean tho that they are useless. They just weren't braindead. (Great example is original BC line and all tech tree lights from T6 to T8 except for lttb and ltwt.)

Along with indroduction of sheridan tho WG decided to change the concept. First they decided to introduce T9 with busted armor and T10 that was nearly completly HE proof. (we can skip the fact that armor of T9 was nerfed later on as it's still nearly HE proof and gets some bounces and that whole line was completly broken, because that's not the point).

I don't really have clue why they started doing that. There was no point in that and nobody really needed that. Lights were mostly played by unicums that knew how to use them. Do you think that Lekpz M41 90, M41, RU 251 or Type 62 are bad? I don't think so. Some of these tanks were even called broken at one point even considering their complete lack of armor. Lights without armor CAN exist and they are way more fun and interesting to play.

Wg is killing that class with destroying their uniqueness and specific playstyle. They just turn them into another copypaste shitty mediums. T100 LT is basically shorter 140 with Ap instead of heat on gold and more mobility lol. And vickers when first released was bascially STB with more mobility and better gun.

I once met a guy who justified giving LTs armor with HE spammers lol so to avoid that i'll just say it again. LTs without armor are HE spammed because they are meant to be HE spammed and they gain their mobility in exchange for that. We can't have HE proof tanks that can even bounce normal shells with gun of a medium and LT mobility. Tank to be balanced needs to lack at least one of those things.

Great example here is T100 LT that definetly isn't well balanced

[unique scaffold]

For me teh current state of T100 LT is kinda broken which is good for us users of the tank

[safe rapids]

True
I never said I liked what WG is doing and that poorly armored light tanks are bad. I’m just simply stating what’s happening to lights right now.

I’m not a fan of it either, I have much more fun in my SP 1 C or AMX 13 90 than a T-54 ltwt or FV301.

[dark pike]

welding unit and the other consumable was a april fools prank

[full token]

was obvious tbh

[winged barn]

Lol
type71 got a nerf nuke.

Now are we going to actually test what is probably ready to be a final product to see if it needs more adjustments? (Ya know, that stuff that actually needs testing)

[static smelt]

Gravity force is worse with thruster ability

[dark pike]

they didn't even touch the frontal armour at all

[viscid bough]

You should look at t92e1

[real bison]

cry about it heavy main

[stuck acorn]

and that's fine. Armour was main thing going for it. They reduced mobility and gun dep so it won't be as toxic

[frosty scroll]

Please Buff the Ammorack for The T-34-1 I get ammoracked and Turned into a Fire ball almost. Every Game It’s hard to grind…

[stuck acorn]

skill issue

[unique scaffold]

268 version 4 is gonna be dogsht if it comes in the game with the stats it has rn

[nimble zodiac]

Okay buddy, it's a downsized Jageroo, it'll be fine xD

[prisma jetty]

There’s an easy fix to this: Don’t show your sides

[analog onyx]

Fact.

[wind dock]

Hey, is it true that Obj. 268 v4 will replace Obj. 263?

[safe rapids]

No

[nimble zodiac]

🤦‍♂️

[wind dock]

I asked because i heard that 263 will be replaced by new 268 v4 and i researched and bought 263 in a week

[safe rapids]

You’re hearing wrong

[minor minnow]

If you haven’t heard it from an official Wargaming source, then don’t believe it

[surreal rivet]

Gonna be another hulldown heavy again

[sharp saddle]

Unfortunately, that is an inherent issue for the rest of the line as well.
Ammorack is extremely vulnerable on the high tier Chinese mediums and to top it off the fuel tank is located right at the front of the hull for all those tanks.

[unique scaffold]

yea but the jageroo can actually hit it shots and penetrate things

[nimble zodiac]

Well it's meant to be rather aggressive, so being up close won't serve much an issue, especially with refined gun

[scarlet fjord]

Hello Notskill_Issue [N/A] look at the class of tank he's aiming at

[stuck acorn]

well said, people here tend to justify lights bouncing shots, because they have weakspots you can aim at 😂

They seem to forget tho that something must be wrong with this game if you need to aim for light's weakspots in the first place

[sleek grove]

Progetto 46 - lower tier, poor pen.
Like is it that hard to aim?

What's next?
Players complaining they have to press a button to switch ammo?
They be demanding telepathy instead.
Istg ya getting lazier and lazier

[stuck acorn]

Nah not really. I have nothing against sniping coupolas of meds and heavies if they are decent size, neither i have anything against aiming for other weak parts of armor, tracks, ammoracks etc.

What i do have something against tho is low profile tanks going 60/70 km/h with stupid angled plates bouncing 1/3 of shots going their way because rng said no.

Ofc even ru 251 can sometimes bounce something but it's not even close to being that often. Current high tier lights are just simply cancerous. They are literally better meds. They have comparable guns, or even better ones in some cases, more mobility and now even comparable armour which was biggest difference between these classes until now.

Why not just make them actuall light tanks and promote hard and skill requiring gameplay like it is in lower tier lights instead of making them more and more brindead.

Same thing goes for paper TDs that are currently all having spall liners negating their major weakness

[safe rapids]

Remove spall liners from all tanks immediately.

[wide dawn]

No, just remove all super consumables altogether and fine tune balance changes.

[uneven narwhal]

Spall is fine on tanks like the 4005

I really want to meet the person that gave it to the Waffle though
Just wanna talk to him

[safe rapids]

I guess I should have thought of that lol. It works for the FV, not so much on the rest of the line.

But seriously the Grille? The Waffle? That was just dumb.

Reactive armor too, that’s gotta go. I could live with the improved engine boost and sandbags, but stuff like tungsten or reactive is just really stupid.

[sleek grove]

Just remove S consumables smh

[sudden granite]

Agreed
The consumables dont add diversity, they add broken annoying effects to tanks

[outer flicker]

I have maybe something random in mi head but if the british line have a consumables who can increase the pen of the Hesh and He that can be very exeptionnel

[uneven narwhal]

No

[prisma jetty]

How about they can already pen pretty much anything from the side. If you need more pen, that’s a true skill issue

[sleek grove]

its called calibrated shells and u find it in equipment setup

[ornate warren]

E5 must be buffed in my opinion, (also fv215b) since theyre kicked out of the game meta, also type 71 is going to have the same and better stats than me, which will make me completely useless in most of the situations. What do you guys think?

[distant river]

tank is not meta
tank must be buffed immediately

[safe rapids]

215 doesn’t need as much attention, but it still needs its old DPM back
E5 needs the traverse and DPM all back, plus either a stronger turret or more HP to bring it up to scratch. Alternatively, we could remove the super consumables and buff the mobility.

[prisma jetty]

E5 can still perform, 215b has been pushed to nearly being obsolete. I think the 215b does need its old dpm back. Imo the E5 is actually in an okay spot, people are just judging it based on when it was the meta, now they hate that it’s semi balanced

[winged barn]

The only thing the e5 barely has is acceleration and penetration. The armor is lacking with both weak cheeks and bad hull. The gun is lacking in dpm and alpha. The top speeds cripple its mobility unless it uses a superspeed, which either cuts into is dpm by replacing adrenaline or cuts into its dpm in ammo damage.
The gun depression is lacking compared to similar tanks.

Sure, it's kinda evenly against meds (because of pathetic pen) and tds (because turretless=trash) but heavies completely annihilate it.

[static smelt]

No I’m just saying that they go for all the quality but then they screw over heavys because they’re one good thing that they can do in 1/8 gravity is they can move much faster and do more ramming damage other than that it’s just a normal game

[real bison]

ah yes the heavy class as if it werent powerful enough

[scarlet fjord]

stop justifying light tanks having that much armor
just because its a good way to keep ur stats up going 70 km/h with decent armor doesn't mean its smt that should stay in the game
the tank isn't broken for that reason its just something that shouldn't be the case for that specific tank
the only light i justify being able to bounce is BC's upper plate at tier 10 ofc

[dim quartz]

Firefly Sherman needs more acceleration it's way too slow

[supple kraken]

E5 is balanced...
Lots of equipment options. Try, experiment, deal 3-4k damage

[lucid lotus]

lots of equipment options... as in consumables... 😬 tank customization is basic in blitz, cant build around specific stats, everyone running the same equipments, take spall liner, only a dumbo would not use it

[ornate warren]

it “was” balanced.

[burnt venture]

I know there's a memes channel, but this one has more jokes 💀

[golden turret]

E5 ain’t meant to be a godly heavy tank like the 60tp. It’s turret is nearly impenetrable unless you have CS on big caliber TDs, the hull armor is stupidly good on the front, and the gun and traverse speeds balance it out. It’s literally just a more balanced IS-4.

[loud solstice]

I think removing the consumables will take away the special part of the tank

[winged barn]

They nerfed what was special about the e5 just so it could have consumables

[supple kraken]

OoOoK

[loud solstice]

If there is no special consumables then all tanks would be basically the same all the vks will be that same and the Americans tanks will be the same ect I think they could nerf the consumables but don't remove them

[uneven narwhal]

Super Consumables = bad

[stuck acorn]

well said. I propose nerfing it's upper plate to 50 mm base, lower plate to being heable by everything and those higher plates to around 20-30 mm to be penned regardles of angle. (you can give it some more mobility in return because it's pretty slow for a LT

For T100LT i would decrease it's turret armor to 80-100 mm and upper plate to 30-40 so it won't bounce anything regardless of angle, but also won't be as easy to HE if you expose yourself at some angle and same as previously you can decrease the weight then so it can accelerate faster.

Also they should undo the BC T10 turret armour buff and T9 bat chat overall armor buff.

[twin egret]

They buffed the bat chat AP arnour for some... reason

[main tulip]

also undo the AMX 50B turret armor buff, that thing is super troll now ngl

[covert spoke]

@everyone

[full token]

It was never buffed. The change to its armor highlights exposed how troll the armor was. Made it less surprising when people did bounce. It was always known for having a troll but not reliable turret

[sleek grove]

It actually got buffed tho.
A while ago.

[raw geyser]

It was

“Pre-buff” 50b had 100 mm turret armor frontally

Right now it has 150 mm

[uneven narwhal]

That's because the armor models in Blitz Hangar and Armor Inspector relied on the hitskins of the tanks to display the thickness instead of the actual server side model

Because the hitskins display was changed, the 50B turret armor appeared to change in the game while the server model remained the same

[lapis sigil]

Buff smasher

[hushed sparrow]

buff annihiliator and smahser they are way too underpowered

[elfin viper]

Ayo E50 turret buff when?

[unique scaffold]

I love the t21

[weary crypt]

It got a turret buff already it doesn't need a nother buff

[mild cairn]

Как участвовать в конкурсе на уникальный Аватар?

[digital ether]

Yeah, but then t hey should also gift the smasher to everyone who has a win rate of < 50

[edgy prism]

всем привет

[surreal rivet]

Decrease wr Speedrun any%

[brisk parcel]

привітики

[weary crypt]

The armor highlight feature should be nerfed by making it less accurate helping tanks such as the E100 viable and fun to use.

An alternative to the first response is for armor highlights to be exclusive in the garage to check general armor effectiveness. Both options increasing the skill ceiling while rewarding skill and aimed in shots.

[placid nebula]

Russians are so annoying on eu server

[weary crypt]

Post on general chat mate

[summer halo]

Omg

[ruby lake]

Hello :D

[nimble zodiac]

Hey, this is the channel where players discuss the specific changes that need to be made to tanks in order to balance them in the game.

Please do read pins

[summer halo]

No possible playing 1,2 tier.....

[vagrant elk]

I know that the t100 LT will be nerved
So in my opinion the tank isnt strong its like a bc25t but only with a normal gun
So if the tank will be nerved pls WG only change the turret amor because if u change the mobility or the gun the tank isnt special anymore

[vagrant elk]

Another two changes which would be wonderful are

1. Foch 155 the autoloader is ok the second gun (normal) should have the same damage like obj 268
2. FV4005 a second gun like the FV 215b 183

[frail locust]

Please Add a feature to toggle 3x-10x XP cards usage, I don't wanna waste them playing Premiums

[mental pasture]

As much as I like E5, I must agree that it's obsolete. The reload nerf kinda of removed the third most important thing for the tank which is DPM.
Lowest WR among heavies and the last time I checked it was just a little bit more than 50%, perhaps about 50,50%
Mobility, turret armor and DPM, that were the things that represents T110E5, but now with one of the lowest DPMs in tier 10 heavies it kinda had no reason to exist. Just go play an IS-7 instead.

[teal crystal]

buff AT 15A, it has been powercreeped for too long as a premium

[fringe jolt]

wg should either remove or shorten the raumpanzer's cupola, the cupola is the only thing inhibiting proper hulldown playstyle as its got good turret armor and 8 degrees of gun dep

[fathom glacier]

Foch had 640 alpha dmg with autoloader but wg nerfed it 640 to 560

[vagrant elk]

yea this is why i say that the non autoloader should have the same damage like the guns from obj 268, e3 , e4 @fathom glacier

[frail silo]

stop trying to play it like a maus

[stuck acorn]

First T100LT is borderline OP and deserves nerf, comparing it to BC 25t is stupid. It should recieve an overall armor nerf that will result in it not bouncing insane amount of stupid shots because of strong angles and RNG (you can let it accelerate little bit faster in return) and dpm nerf to be below medium level. I would increaase reload by 0.4-5 secs. Last thing we need is 70 km/h tank with troll armor, great camo, great view range, unique mechanic and gun better than medium tanks lol.

For the second change - yes, foch should have 640 alpha on single shot gun like in good old days

For the third change - 💀 - that's the only comment i can really think of. That's just stupid.

@frail silo I can agree that E100 shouldn't be played like a maus, but it doesn't change the fact that armor highlight is extremely cancerous and kinda ruins point of armor knowledge. Why not add an highlight on a reticle (like on wot PC) insstead of showing all weakspots without even doing anything?

@vagrant elk yes, DPM is same as in Obj 140 and T62, but you seem to forget that those 2 have exequo 2nd place in DPM in T10 meds (3rd if you count Kpz that basically nearly nobody has). It's way too much for an LT that has tons of other strong parts already

[vagrant elk]

@stuck acorn why the dpm is higher then a med look at obj140 and t62a same reload i think this wouldnt change anything yes the amor ok this is a piont but the other parts i mean u can play bc on same stets i only mean if u change to much nobody needs to play it any more like fv 215b heavy and for the fv 4005 no front but did u ever see many players playing this tank and also the death star well @sharp saddle from 10 battel u see only 1 good player with it

[sharp saddle]

There’s a reason Wargaming didn’t give the fv4005 the 183mm.
The Death Star already presented a significant balance issue by having the gun and the tank had to be nerfed into the ground because of it. It really says it all that the tank isn’t good but it’s still highly played.

having another tank with the gun also means that there will be more of them on each team potentially which isn’t ideal. The gun is really obnoxious in slowing down gameplay and just making it boring. That’s pretty much how I felt before the death star got nerfed and there were several of them on each team every game

[surreal rivet]

I feel like 183 are just free DMG to farm off never felt it was op or anything

[stuck acorn]

Then you probably play this game for less than 3-4 years (i don't exactly remember when it was nerfed) or before it was nerfed you was too bad to understand how broken it was

[wild jasper]

2017-18 it was nerfed, traverse and camo value and i forgot the rest

[little dock]

dont be stupid adding a 183 Fv4005 in blitz

[uneven narwhal]

I would love it if the Gun and Crew Sounds were improved

[woeful shadow]

nerf anihilator

[little dock]

wat to nerf

bad gun accuracy
pen can be only 1-2 shot if possible instead of 3 shot to a tank

armor?fronter yes,but still paper on back and side,armor on the head can be pen on the upper part or use gold ammos to pen,and still the same ammoreckt spot like russians

[verbal mica]

Please be stupid and add a 183 Fv4005 with no turret just the gun and the insides like the historical version with no top was like

[twin egret]

Wh

[safe rapids]

Well, Tier X balance changes should be happening sooner or later. We’ve seen Tiers VI, VII, VIII, and IX. The question is when.

[teal gust]

Can someone please help me to grind the next tank plz

[cold tulip]

Does anybody know when the clan chat will be available again. My clan chat dont work, havent been for over a month now. it says failed to connect to server (16, RemotServiceNotFound)

[sharp saddle]

Go to #welcome ,select your region role by reacting to the icons

[wide dawn]

Get the role in #welcome come PM

[stuck acorn]

nerf traverse and add dispersion between shots. It should be fine after that

[uneven narwhal]

It's like a 5s cooldown

[winged barn]

Yes

[real bison]

sounds like skill issue

[prisma jetty]

So you wish to removing a balancing factor to make the tank unbalanced? Seems like a poor balancing decision to me

[autumn zodiac]

Raumpanzer isn't even broken

It's pretty slow

And the sides have hardly any armor

[safe rapids]

Yeah the RaumPZ is fine imho. It’s got a nice gun, high DPM, and it can ram.

Premium tanks don’t always need to be broken. The RaumPZs main purpose is to make credits and it does that fine by being a decent vehicle.

I find it so ironic how people whine when premium tanks come out as OP, then they suggest buffs to current premiums to make them OP.

[real bison]

chad 59-Patton/RaumPz main

vs cringe Prog 46 main

[safe rapids]

59-Patton probably the best T8 90mm prem medium (excluding autoloaders)

[olive temple]

Hi

[quick idol]

Give t49 heat

[stuck acorn]

T49 has heat lol

[sleek grove]

Bro istg this new player wave brings so much meme potential

[sick salmon]

Ah we have found the racist

[stuck acorn]

yeah

[quick idol]

They need to buff t49 pen

[sleek trail]

Can't accept the balance mechanics of this game

[unique scaffold]

Agreed

[sleek grove]

wg made such a big mistake advertising their discord in game , this is getting out of hand, dumb and poorly made opinions and questions.
those new players dont know the "scroll and find the answear yourself"

[rotund skiff]

I concur

[unique scaffold]

||Master Kenobi should go||

[quick idol]

Nerf T110E3 armor

[fading sedge]

Lift up the average damage from the 45TP a bit. Currently i am playing it and even id i hit every shot and pen it, I still lose every 1 vs 1 situation. An armor-upgrade would be really cool aswell. 😅

[stuck acorn]

...

Stop trolling

nobodyis stupid enough to nerf E3's armor and then buff T49's pen

What will be next thing you will say? Give smasher rockets doing 2000 average damage and 0,1s reload?

@sleek grove ugh

[sleek grove]

You'd be surprised by the average blitz player.

[real bison]

well, with opinions like those in #news-discussion from a certain individual...

yeah...

this community isnt the smartest at times...

just a bit of reading should be able to tell you who

[stuck acorn]

which guy? i would like to read some of that

u can answer that question on PV to not flood the chat with offtopic messages

[stuck acorn]

45TP is balanced. Not every tank at T7 must be borderline OP or at smasher level.

@fading sedge idk if you know that buffing a well balanced tank usually results in it being better than balanced. And things being better than balanced usually become borderline OP in hands of good player. And nobody really wants that.

45TP is perfectly fine as it is no need to do anything with that. Just learn how to use it more effectively.

And btw it's tier 7 and next update will be in middle of may, so you will finish grinding it before it could get potential buff anyway

[fading sedge]

I don't want it at borderline OP but a little bit more armor on the front and a bit more average damage per shot should be fine.

[merry robin]

nerf t100

[stuck acorn]

agreed. That thing deserves a big nerf. especially armor and DPM wise

[unique scaffold]

NERF MINER

[nimble zodiac]

Man really just threw CR into this

@mossy rune none of them need buffs

[mossy rune]

Maybe buff for armor of IS-3, IS-5 and IS-8?

[foggy forge]

Procod pls

[cursive schooner]

Is5 got a side, is8 got speed and is3 got an ok side and ok speed

[blissful bluff]

I thing franc light tanks needs some buff and Emil 1 first gun a better penetration and relode speed

[full token]

Surprising that people take the less time-consuming route of asking a question in the hope someone will answer rather than spending an unknown amount of time looking for an answer in a channel while they don’t even know if there is any answer or how far up they have to scroll. Even the search feature takes up more time than just typing out the words in the question and sending it. It’s just what it is.
If the answer is on their screen when they open up the channel that’s a different matter.

[merry robin]

t100 is really op that’s why they should nerf it because it literally has dpm, ricochet armor, low hull, and the 20s spotting thing like cmon bruh🙅‍♂️

[quick idol]

You guys don’t need to write paragraph about a tank that needs a nerf or a buff.

[stuck acorn]

yes we don't, but it makes more sense if we do

Who would you rather trust? random guy saying things, or random guys saying things with good argumentation?

[quick idol]

Wg can you take the 183 out of the game?

[woeful shadow]

I think 183 is already balanced

[cerulean nacelle]

nerf smasher and annihilator please

[teal gust]

Hello

[unique scaffold]

They arent that overpowered in my opinion tho. Every tank is good if u play it correctly

[cerulean nacelle]

when something can one shot tier 6's tier 7s and take off 900 health of a tier 8 medium, and its at tier 7, then it becomes a problem

[hybrid ravine]

Joke of the century

[burnt venture]

Who cares about tier 7 balance, 99% of the players there don't know their posterior from their elbow. There's plenty of OP tech tree tanks there as well, yet nobody complains about them. I mean a T29 or BP or Tiger I can easily do better than any Annihilator or Smasher. It's helluva lot easier to avg higher damage in tech tree heavies and TDs like Jpanther or T25AT. They've buffed all of tier 7 to be on basically equal footing with most of the premiums at this point.

It's pretty clear that this "nerf Anni" discussion is basically either people being jealous that other people have tanks they can't obtain, or are just crying because they can't be bothered to play around those tanks. Most players in those tanks are so bad that it's really your fault for dying to one.

If you get destroyed by an Anni or nuked by a Smasher, except for a few cases where your tank is very VERY slow / stock, it is 100% on you for playing poorly and not having enough awareness to avoid playing against those things.

[quick idol]

Buff t49 hp from 1200 to 1300

[nimble zodiac]

You know you can suggest multiple balance changes per message, right?

@woven berry you may find Wargaming staff by the users who have the "Wargaming" role, but I suggest not pinging them.

[woven berry]

any wargaming staff on?

[winged barn]

I cant believe people actually defend the complete brokenness of the t29. It's a better superpershing.

Hell, why not just take the maus as is, slap it in tier 7, sell it for $100 a pop and call it a day. People are apparently content with tier 8s in tier 7, so why not slide some 10s in there as well.

Just throwing balance to the wind because "who cares" is such an interesting thing to talk about in #tank-balance-discussion

Sure a couple of tanks have been buffed to completely broken levels after the introduction of the anni and smasher, but there are still plenty of tanks that haven't been touched and get completely annihilated by these tier 8s 7s they are up against.

[distant river]

The "Just win it's not hard lol" argument is just unproductive and bad for the games health. There are obviously tanks that are much much better than others, and to create a fairer and more fun game they should be nerfed. It's possible to increase your chances of surviving by making less mistakes, but that's true for any tank. The Anni and other similarly op tanks give whoever is playing them a huge advantage. You will be beaten by worse players because of imbalance, so the balance should be fixed.

[burnt venture]

The general thing with tier 7 lately has been buffing TDs and heavies. T29, Tiger I, Tiger P (which was recently just buffed), Black Prince, AMX M4 45, KV-3, IS have all been buffed, mostly in the armor and mobility department. The only mediocre tier 7 tech tree heavy? Arguably the M-VII-Yoh.

And a bunch of TDs have been buffed substantially: T25/2 now has a bajillion DPM, T25AT had three armor buffs and consumables, Jpanther had massive armor buffs, Challenger had gun buffs.

I'm not denying that Anni and Smasher are any less powerful than they are. But now there's clearly a ton of contenders at tier 7 that have a LOT higher potential when it comes to sealclubbing for stats. So beating the dead horse of "OMG THEY'RE SO OP!!11!!" is more than pointless at this point, because this has been the situation since like 3 years ago and the buffs to other same-tier heavies have expanded the problem beyond just two tanks.

@distant river lol speaking of being bad for the games health, the much larger issue is WG straight up dumbing down tanks to appeal to terrible players. People don't seem to understand that certain lines are supposed to be super difficult to play. My point is that there's more tanks at tier 7 that are just as good if not better than the Smasher and Anni now. There's no point yelling at WG to balance something they have neglected for years.

If anything, the problem should be that WG are overbuffing tier 7 heavies and TDs and leaving tier 7 meds and lights in the dust. But nobody talks about that because they circlejerk about two tanks

[winged barn]

Back to my what is a tier 7 and what isn't point. Where do you draw the line. The t29 is superior to the t26e4, a tier 8 tank.
If the smasher had a triangle instead of 2 lines in a diamond, it would fit right in tier 8 as is.

Why are tier 6s facing these monsters.
They are in the wrong tier because of trash balancing.

The 2 tanks sparked the entire brainless buff spam. They should be the center of attention, when they are the two tanks that SHOULD HAVE been nerfed right off the bat. Tier 7 is a complete mess because of the refusal to nerf 2 tanks.

[mental pasture]

Smasher with a few HP and armor buffs is totally capable of fighting tier 8. It has enough penetration, alpha, DPM, mobility and precision to be a good tier 8 heavium. 250mm of HEAT is also enough to deal with most of tier 9 heavies.

While T29, damn, that's a "what if we buffed T34 but give it a worse gun?"

[burnt venture]

Then maybe the argument should be "tier 7 is a mess, please fix it" instead of yelling about 2 tanks which have lost a lot of their significance because of the buffs. Just because these 2 tanks started the buff spam, doesn't mean nerfing them now will fix the buff spam lmfao. Who cares about the order in which things happened when reality is what it is?

Nobody should continue to complain and complain about Smasher and Anni. Frankly it's getting old, and most tier 7 heavies are stupid strong now that they can counter both tanks without breaking a sweat. Talking to me about how these two tanks "started it" contributes nothing.

It's a dead horse. Stop kicking it. It's obvious that WG doesn't care, the balance at tier 7 has been changed, it's been 3 years and now it is a waste of time.

@winged barn then please tell me the point of yelling at WG to nerf premiums they stated they will not nerf. Again, useless waste of breath

Oh now it is MY fault that OP premiums are introduced? Lol m8 I test tanks to make sure they aren't broken when they come out. Like bruh are you ok in the head

[winged barn]

Weegee will happily nerf tech tree tanks hard. They are not concerning if they are overpreforming.

premiums are a different story
They refuse to touch them.

Useless wastes of breath are what ejected spare parts and missiles even though weegee tried so hard to coerce the community into accepting them. I guess that people just accepting broken premiums like you have allowed weegee to continue to make completely stupid balancing decisions.

Ah yes "testing" did you have to test that type 71 to decide it needed the nerf nukes that it got?

I dunno about you, but a slight comparison to the e5 and I was highly amused at what needed testing

[distant river]

There's every point to pressure WG still, lack of pressure just means WG will never change anything. There are other balance issues at tier 7, but the smasher and the anni are the most important. You have to start balancing somewhere, and the smasher and anni are the best places to start. Plenty of people talk about other tanks, but dismissing people's valid complaints about tanks just creates an atmosphere where people are more reluctant to put pressure on WG. That's just unproductive and unhelpful.

[burnt venture]

• premium tanks are nothing CLOSE to missiles and spare parts, which were mechanics introduced into the game. WG's policy on premiums has been 100% clear almost since the game launched, and even before that with WOT PC. It's been policy from almost day 1. There were only a few instances of slight premium tank nerfs.

• saying that broken tech tree tanks can be nerfed so they're not at fault for the imbalance is hilarious. Tech tree heavy tanks absolutely RULE tier 7 and tier 8, much more than the premiums. It's pretty clear that people complain about premiums simply because they're "exclusive" at this point, not because they're too good. Are there great premiums? Sure. Are they better than the best tech tree tanks? Absolutely not.

• You obviously don't understand how testing works. We do not get to choose what kind of tanks we get, we don't get a say in how WG releases the tanks. What we do get a say in is AFTER the testing round, and the initial product is WG's idea of a balanced tank. We cause those balance nukes because WG analyzes OUR player feedback and our statistics in those tanks after we play battles.

Man you just looove scapegoating exclusive tanks simply for being exclusive don't you. I've said enough.

There's no point calling for nerfs of tanks that WG obviously won't nerf instead of trying to fix it some other way, like buffing tier 6.

Blaming me for not seeing obvious OP tanks in testing is hilarious. Your #buffT32DPM is the cherry on top. Have you even played the tank lately? Thing is busted already

All I see here with the Smasher and Anni argument is people still pointing and yelling at the same thing like monkeys while basically everybody else has moved on because there are much bigger issues with the game. But sure point and yell all you want lol

[winged barn]

I'm calling out complete bs balancing.
You are literally butting heads and redirecting the blame. You are fighting my complaints against completely broken tanks.

Tier 7 and 8 heavies ruling: yes. I call tds worthless constantly, I encourage noobs to make the best use of their heavy tanks by absolutely destroying mediums and lights with them. Heavy hp blanket (lmao including smasher) buff was complete bs

Sure. I don't know exactly how testing works. But I sure as hell look at the proposed completely broken stats and complain about them. The proposed stuff that I get to view as getting "tested" is completely worthless and is just advertisement for an upcoming tank far from what actually gets introduced.

And this buff t32 dpm lmao.

T32: hull down invincibility
Near medium tank mobility (lmao buffed)
Broken hp pool (lmao buffed)
Workable hull (lmao buffed)
Perfectly workable pen (lmao buffed)

What holds it back from winning 1v7s? Dpm. If only it had enough dpm to completely eliminate the enemy team solo.

Now away from that t32 comedy
The smasher and anni brokenness remains. They are still broken. They need to be fixed. They need to be a starting point. Or do we need to buff all the tier 8s to reflect the growth in strength of 7s, causing tier 9 buffs to be needed, causing tier 10 buffs to be needed.
You know, it might just be easier to kill the causes instead of chasing the random fires that they made

Of weegee gets enough pressure, they will be forced to use the nerf hammer. But people have given up, so we are stuck with it. I will continue to complain about bs that I see

[forest sapphire]

The Vindicator is completely balanced do not touch it at all especially it's HE shells they're perfectly fine

[burnt venture]

at this point even if you kill the causes the fires still remain. So have fun pointing at a dead horse and yelling like monkeys lol

[distant river]

There's no point calling for nerfs of tanks that WG obviously won't nerf instead of trying to fix it some other way, like buffing tier 6.

This is totally incorrect, this is exactly how things are actually changed. Everything is impossible until the first time it happens. It will only happen through pressure, and dismissing that just let's WG get away with more

[winged barn]

I will continue to be a highly annoyed monkey. Apes together strong. All I need is to make all the other apes realize the problem and rally, it's getting hella repetitive because its exactly the same thing over and over again that wargaming is doing

Introduce op tank (get money)
Buff a couple of tanks to be similar so the apes forget

Introduce op tank
...
...

We already have enough premiums for the lifetime of the game.
Actually balance the ones we have

We are back into the reskinning territory with autoloaders that we had with the IS-X clones years ago

[burnt venture]

This is exactly the same thing as those "remove artillery" people over at WoT PC. WG won't do it, and said they won't do it. So it's just useless white noise.

Your logic here:
OP tech tree tank is nerfable, so it's not OP.
OP premium tank is premium, so obviously it's gamebreaking and makes tier 7 unplayable. Needs Nerf.

Amazing 👏

[winged barn]

No.

God no.

1: Nerfing premiums has high pressure against it. This needs to be pressured to make a change.

2: Nerfing tech trees has no resistance. This does not need pressure to happen.

Sure we can pressure #2, but #1 remains unchanged.

Eliminate problem #1 and #2 will follow.

[burnt venture]

No yeah obviously 2 exclusive tanks that not many people have is making the game unplayable over cancerous consumables and gimmicks.

The more you argue about pushing back against nerfing premiums over even more OP tech tree tanks, the dumber you sound

And you also don’t seem to understand that OP tech tree tanks are a cycle. The OP ones get nerfed after a few updates so the next new heavy tank line can be the new gimmicky broken tanks and gain popularity

[winged barn]

Not many people have. Oh darn, I guess they aren't in the top 5 most played tanks played on blitzstars anymore so much for that hard counter.

More op tech tree tanks? Like the t29? Yea, its complete bs. It's only the way it is because of the smasher and anni. But the t29 doesn't have the damage output to put it in the same level of broken.

And I'm sorry, but the anni is the top dog tier 7. The only thing that the tank doesn't have is pen, which isn't a problem while facing tier 7s. It might struggle against 8s(which smasher can easily rip apart) but is able the easily eliminate any tier 7.

Cycle? What? T29 is the top tech tree 7. That has not shifted at all.

[burnt venture]

Saying Anni and Smasher are the top dogs of tier 7s is the same as admitting you are a dog player. Both tanks have insanely low skill ceilings and any decent player can do miles better in any tech tree heavy. As a good player, you’d have more carry potential playing a Tiger I than playing an Anni lol.

Those 2 tanks ruled tier 7 like two years ago. Now it’s a completely different story, and it’s time to move on.

There’s much bigger issues in this game than 2 tanks that are basically only played by garbage players, but it’s your loss if you can’t see past the red rage of “omg exclusive OP premium!!1!1!”

[winged barn]

Oh boy

[nimble zodiac]

"It's tier 7 so it doesn't matter"

"The players that use it are bad, so it doesn't matter"

Terrible, terrible arguments

Sure, I honestly don't care what happens to tier 7, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be changed

[burnt venture]

When the heck was my argument ever about how the tier never mattered? The point is, there’s tech tree tier 7s that are way better than Smasher and Anni. So complaining about two tanks that have been intentionally power crept as some kind of dumb social duty is kicking a dead horse.

And is it NOT true that players playing both tanks are universally sealclubbers and garbage players? I’m not trying to make it a non-issue, I’m saying it’s much less of an issue than 2 years ago and we have other huge problems with this game, and yet people still complain simply because of the circlejerk.

But sure please continue to bring up things I mentioned out of context and say my argument is terrible because “Smasher and Anni OP, how dare this guy say that my stupid complaint from 2 years ago is irrelevant”

[nimble zodiac]

Again, I don't care what happens to them, but why fight against the notion to nerf them, if not only to say "WG doesn't care, they won't do it"?

You bring up other points, which are pretty ragged, given T29 is probably the only heavy that was buffed enough to compete as a TT tank against them, perhaps JPanther? Either way, they were two tanks that massively shifted the meta of tier 7 by their busted stats. I get that the problem isn't as apparent as it was back then, but it still exists.

[dense oyster]

@burnt venture you're right in the respect of there are other stonk tier 7 heavys.
(personally love my tiger 1 which is Da Beast) ❤️

and I also agree that smasher and annihilator are both very stronk. more so the smasher personally. 😳
personally to nerf them i would remove Anni's super consumables etc. and nerf it mobility. 🚤
for the smasher i would just give it worse dispersion, on the move, and the other soft accuracy stats would get a nerf.⚡

Just my opinion. Agree to Disagree Everybody!

[unique scaffold]

This made my day. Spot on.

[unique scaffold]

good argument as usual, friend

however, TIGER PORSCHE SUPREMACY

[safe rapids]

I prefer Tiger I Supremacy

And above that, we all know the AMX M4 45 is the best T7 heavy.

[nimble zodiac]

This is not relevant to balance, at least, without any message

[flat hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-shookt-shocked-gif-5580082

[mild portal]

nah both tanks are perfectly broken and not a problem to the outcome of games in any way

[clear valley]

Bruh y'all saying the smasher and anni is op and want them to be needed and then want tech tree tanks to be buffed so they're better then the prem tanks, you know how dumb that sounds? If that were to ever happen, what's the point of getting a prem tank? WG would lose a bunch of income and people like some of you would still lose

[wary linden]

Im gay

[nimble hamlet]

the smasher is such a brain dead tank honestly needs to get nerfed
the anni is cake walk compared to what the smasher could do

[clear valley]

Kinda sick of some of yall, it's people who keep saying nerf this nerf that knowing well it won't ever happen would die early in a battle because you rushed thinking you're the best or die last while camping near base because you're against higher tiers. And lark all the buffs you wanted for the t32, there is a prem tank just like that, the t26e5, just without the hull down invincibility

[safe rapids]

Premium tanks are (or at least were) not ever designed to be outright better than tech tree vehicles, instead on par or slightly worse than them. Their primary purpose was to make credits.

Now that WG can profit off of them, we’re used to them making OP premiums pushing balance to the limit so people are more likely to buy them. That being said, the large majority of premiums that have been recently released in the past year or so have mostly been well balanced, with some major exceptions being super strong and borderline overpowered.

While it makes sense to most of us for WG to stop releasing op premiums, it’s not the best decision and all the money going to WG helps them expand and continue developing plenty of stuff for all players to enjoy.

[sleek grove]

WG needs to progressively increase the op-Ness of prems or else they won't sell, unless the buyer is a tank collector

[surreal rivet]

It's not dumb that is what it is meant to be, they are supposed to be worse in exchange they can grind credits

[clear valley]

I know that, prem tanks back then we're used mainly for credits. But rn most prem tanks are always better then the tech trees, people saying all this nerf this buff that is making me dizzy. The match making usually makes teams balanced based on the tanks and the player's stats, so usually it just skims down to the salt or jealousy that the player not having that tank or got destroyed only because they have a better tank like as if their skills isn't playing a major part. I bet that if any of you who doesn't have any smashers or annis, got them, y'all be saying don't nerf them. It's usually just simple jealousy of either not having it or losing to it

[nimble hamlet]

let me putt you in this perspective when a tier 6 player get's over matched with brain dead Kv-2 reject (smasher) it aint going down to skill it only takes 1 shot to get 1/4 of your HP gone, at least the Su-152 is a self propelled handy cap and the KV-2 got nerfed in the past anyway, the hell makes having a brain dead tier 7 tank shit on newbies just because they paid for it? and yea i don't got a problem fighting a smasher with any of my tier 6-7-8 prems, it's the fact that you expect new players to be "good/skilled" enough to counter a Smasher who over matches their armour on their tier 6-7 tech tree tanks who stand no chance at all, I've watched countless of my newbie team just getting absolutely ass wiped in first 2 minutes of the game. i ain't salty cuz i lose, i'm speaking for the F2P players mostly because half of or not most of the players in game are F2P

(the other message got deleted but i got my point across)

[clear valley]

Well they're gunna get better sooner or later, angling and knowing your armor is something you learn during the process, even if a smasher used HE while ur angling, at most ur only gunna lose 1/3 HP max. I'd say I'm better than some players and usually don't have too much trouble with smashers at t6, for example the 1 time I has at a 2vs3 as a mt while the enemy had a smasher, just poke, reset camo move and poke, then repeat. Of course newbies won't know how to counter the smasher, but after a few encounters they would slowly understand, everyone should. Or are you implying that these newbies are brain-dead with 0 learning capacity (o damn forgot there are some players with 10-20k games and only 40%wr)? Also 2inch, I didn't say always, I said usually. Also bruh SS, why did ya delete that

[surreal rivet]

Match making does not truly and always balance out the team and just because the player is bad when using a op tank it doesn't balance the tank in any way

[obtuse solar]

Bots that actually shoot there was a round where none of the bots on my team dealt any damage and I wish I ss the proof

[clear valley]

For me bots disappeared completely after 1k games, anyone else doing 0 after that is just a bad player

[surreal rivet]

They dissapears at 5k battles iirc that's y blitzstars don't allow replays where the acc is below 5k battles

[nimble hamlet]

5k battle's that's gotta be cap i've gotten over 10k+ they're still around, i think the game always added bot's in compensation for the lack of players in a tank tier match making

[full token]

If you read Lark’s points you’ll see he’s pointed out the unnecessary buffs the T32 has received over time. So now the dpm is the next unnecessary buff it needs, following in that tren

[outer glen]

Bots doesn't have stats meanwhile real players have

[merry robin]

nerf t100

[nimble zodiac]

I hope WG nerfs Keiler before it comes out, because that thing might as well be a tier 9 x-x

Armor profile of a Lowe, but like 2x better. A gun that hits decently hard, but still has a sub 10s reload with pretty good accuracy given the caliber. It's even able to putter itself up to 40km/h for some reason.

[little dock]

so much ppll want to nerf tanks

dats how WG add tanks dat is uncompletly related to the stats and history unlike WT,and most the tanks dat are now presented in BP is just scrapped tanks from TT (except aniliator,nameleess,and other special tanks dat are weird looking)

[thorn falcon]

increase the damage per shot of the actionX, it feels very weak compared to other tanks today

[pliant terrace]

Man they should give e 100 a maus turret and tungsten shells

[full token]

Game was never meant to be historically accurate like war thunder

[tropic panther]

War Thunder = Beam.ng Drive
WoT/WoWs/WoWp/WoWsB/WoTB = Trackmania

[wide dawn]

Blitz was never fully historically accurate in the first place

[safe rapids]

You guys all know that the Maus turret is actually fake
Blitz actually did it right for once, and WT got it wrong

[distant river]

Maybe you've forgotten that half of all players are below 48%. "Good players" who can abuse better dispersion, worse standard pen and slightly better mobility (before you use the super consumables) are pretty rare to come by, especially considering the anni has triple the clip potential, 300 more dpm and better armour by far. There are other tanks that come closer than they did before, but that doesn't change the fact that they are still the largest issues at tier 7. Even if you do consider the T29 or others to be slightly better than the smasher, the smashers toxic playstyle still makes it a huge issue. They literally had to introduce special mm for the anni. That alone screams how much of an issue it is.

Also your thing about having more carrying potential in a tiger doesn't seem to be right in the slightest, the tiger has been out for much longer than the Anni and yet the Annis HoF entries are all 6.3-7.5k whereas the tigers are 5.3-6.2k, which is a gigantic difference. It's not the ideal way of measuring which has the highest skill ceiling, but it works and definitely says you are wrong.

[burnt venture]

Lmao HoF entries mean nothing at a tier where enemies are mostly trash, and a lot of Anni HoF probably is not recent because of the MM matching.

It’s not just a bad metric of player performance, it’s completely flawed lol. HoF doesn’t show anything about how well a tank can perform because it’s just people getting lucky, you have anywhere from 50% players getting top HoF games to actual unicums pushing the tank to the max

[remote oriole]

Over 99% of all players will do better in an Annihilator in the long run than in a Tiger 1.

In fact I would say that „there is a chance greater than zero“ that a randomly selected player will perform better in a Tiger 1 than in an Annihilator in the long term

If „good“ means „0.01% of players“ to you then I can‘t help but feel that you are detached from reality, and not that people asserting what is true for over 99% of players are „dog players“

[distant river]

It shows you the extent at which people carry at the very top and very luckiest of games. It's not useless, it shows the maximum people can achieve. The 1k gap in damage (literally up to 20% more) is absolutely gigantic and should not be ignored. Neither should my points asking what sort of player can perform better in other tanks than an anni considering how much better the annis stats are...

[burnt venture]

Ok this entire conversation is going completely in a different direction now. I'm not going to defend how the Anni or Smasher is not overpowered. I'm pretty sure I've said already multiple times that yes, the tanks are still overpowered, and I'm not going to go around in circles comparing bits and pieces of stats.

However, the fact is over the last 2 years:

• Wargaming has significantly buffed other tier 7s (and some tier 6s), mainly heavies and TDs, NUMEROUS times to help powercreep not just those two tanks, but basically all the OP tier 7 premiums.
• Wargaming has also given Anni special matchmaking to reduce its effectiveness upon tier 7.
• Both of these measures have never been seen in blitz prior to this, and WG has stated that these measures are to counter Anni and Smasher.
• Nerf to the special engine boost has also hurt the Anni (more of a sidenote since this was directed at tier Xs mostly)
• Wargaming has also openly admitted that these tanks are overperforming. So they aren't being blatantly ignorant.
• WG has also clearly stated very openly that Anni is a premium and will NOT be getting nerfed, and that even though Smasher is a collectible, it will also NOT be nerfed because people paid money for them.

All of those points return the exact same conclusions: WG will not nerf the two tanks, and many measures have been taken against them to make them have less of an impact in games. WG clearly recognizes that the tanks were OP and have done their best to fix the problem while also adhering to their promises to players who purchase premium tanks. Who knows, maybe they'll do even more to try to powercreep the two tanks.

Continuing to scream the same thing over and over for 2 years while WG clearly already understands the issue and tried to fix it within company policy is redundant, and frankly stupid. Still spamming "Anni / Smasher OP" in balance discussion is useless when all of the above is true.

Do you really think it is logical to keep saying one thing over and over again when WG already knows? It's like crying in the ocean. That's why I say that repeating this really dumb talking point about "boohoo Anni Smasher OP pls nerf" shouldn't be a thing, because doing that contributes absolutely NOTHING to the conversation.

This is really a "get good" situation because WG are not going to nerf them and said so explicitly. Be happy that you got your tech tree tanks buffed, and deal with it. It's been 2 freaking years and WG has NOT changed their stance. Stop crying.

[distant river]

The Smasher and the Annihilator are premium tanks. We have never nerfed such vehicles and definitely don't want to do that. We admit those two perform better than other tier VII tanks, however the amount of them doesn't affect balance system so much. And we don't think nerf is crucial and necessary in this case. Actually there's no simple solution in this case and we pick the lesser of two evils.

WG didn't want to do a lot of things they have done, removing missiles being a big example. Pressure from the community made them do it. There's no reason pressure from the community will be unable to change anything at all about the game, it just needs to be enough pressure. The answer is pretty obviously not saying "git good" or saying anyone who complains is jealous or crying because they can't be bothered to change their playstyle, which is exactly what you've been saying from the start.

WG are not nerfing them because they are not under enough pressure to nerf them. Repetition and constant voices saying the same thing is pressure. Your attitude just makes improving the game harder and it seems to be just because you get annoyed at people repeating the same point.

[raw geyser]

🍿

[wicked quest]

When they were taking community questions they also stated smasher and anni wouldn’t be nerfed because they didn’t check the boxes of -being among the most played tanks
-having one of the highest win rates among tanks and then the statistics on blitz stars proved it did check those out and they refused to answer the question

[sleek grove]

One side will pressure wg to balance ani and smasher.
One side will pressure wg to not buy premium tanks due to the fact they nerfed a tank they payed money for it.
At this meeting point, wg will have to choose a side, and we all know what a corporation loves.

[burnt venture]

I've already said this. Missiles were a new mechanic that WG introduced for a couple updates at high tiers where the game is important, and generated tons of negative feedback from the top players in the game. With pushback from CCs, top clans, and the entire comp scene, they were removed. And even then, Sheridan and T92E1 were hardly nerfed by the removal because they got incredibly powerful regular HEAT shells instead.

These are tanks people have paid for, and a lot of people are willing to pay for. WG has never gone back on their policy of never nerfing premiums since the policy was introduced back in 2015. These tanks are massive money-makers and WG knows that.

Not only that, the situation really is nobody cares. Do I see tons of superunicums, CCs, and top clans that play competitively constantly bug WG about these two tanks at a tier none of them play? It was a point of contention and I'm sure everybody, including me, still thinks they're OP but not among the top issues in the game at the moment. Two tier 7 tanks being a top issue over all the other garbage happening at higher tiers? Not gonna happen.

I'd love to see them nerfed, but I'm a rational person and there's a time to stop spamming. WG has stated their point, however wrong they may be and how stupid they might be, there's not enough pressure and won't be enough pressure because most of the playerbase is not concerned about two tier 7s.

The "repetition" and "constant voices" of 3 people complaining way past the time to complain create little to no pressure because none of the forces that matter see this as a top priority. End of story.

But I'm sure that one day, top clans across the globe from LVG to 7STAR will rise up gloriously and address the major issue in this game, the existence of two tier 7 tanks.

[twin egret]

It's just like real life

[distant river]

How can you go from complaining about people "Continuing to scream the same thing over and over for 2 years" to "nobody cares" lol I think you need to pick a side.

Removing a huge mechanic in the game that WG really really wanted to work and nerfing two prems which make up a small amount of their overall profit. People are still going to buy them no matter what because of their playstyle so it's not like suddenly they aren't selling any of them. After the initial dip in profits when buyer confidence is knocked, their revenue will increase in the long run because the game will be more enjoyable so more popular. It's not as important an issue, but it also has significantly less impact on WG.

You can tell people to stop complaining and start trying to insult their skills, or you can simply just let them have their say in peace, it's not a particularly tough decision to make for most people.

[burnt venture]

Because notice how continuing to scream the same thing over and over for 2 years resulted in nothing? Because to remove missiles took the joint effort of CCs and top clans that play competitively, which is backing that Anni and Smasher DO NOT have?

There's a difference between making a valid complaint and complaining for the billionth time about something that everybody, including WG, already knows yet obviously refuses to change. That's called SPAMMING.

WG are afraid to nerf two tanks because it shakes up everything as a whole. If premiums could be nerfed, WG are afraid that people will simply not buy good tanks due to fear of it being nerfed in the future. This is not just about changing two of the most desired, in-demand tanks for a lot of players, this is also about setting a precedent that premiums can be nerfed. What WG thinks matters, and what you think WG should think doesn't affect them at all.

And both you and @sleek grove really do NOT know how economics work lmfao. All of this "oh well the other option is to reduce their sales" like bruh, I can assure you that even though it seems like the entire playerbase hates these tanks, most of these people will sell their kidneys to obtain them. Public perception of things does not equal individual demand. Publicly, it's so easy to trash the tanks. Individually, who wouldn't sell out for an OP sealclubbing tank? WG knows that, and they take full advantage. Ever wonder why Smasher only comes in 4% drop chance crates with no charms? There's your answer.

The game is growing, and WG is making money. No matter how you argue, they obviously are not interested in making this change in the interest of making more money in the long run, because it's been 2 years. I'm not insulting people's skills, I'm literally highlighting the reality and why people who say that these tanks are OP are just spamming at this point.

"Get good" is the solution, not an insult. These things are not invincible, and learning to deal with them does far more good than going on the internet to complain about it for the trillionth time.

[neat crescent]

Blitz stars doesn't take into account all of the players though, only those registered within their website/bot 🤨

[nimble hamlet]

A valid argument, you're probably the first guy I've seen made a good point on a heated topic i applaud you for that

[remote oriole]

Giving credit to CCs and top clans in regards to the removal of missiles is a bit rich, considering how the main uproar resulted in nothing but a doubling of the slow mode in #general-blitz-discussion . The removal was spearheaded by WG themselves after they started a community poll after the protests have died down

[distant river]

Notice how until the missiles got removed it was a couple of months of people continuing to scream the same thing over and over with no result? Oh wait but in the end that did change didn't it... The smasher and the anni aren't condemned by the comp scene (a tiny fraction of the playerbase) but are also a smaller thing to change.

And it seems like you literally refuse to understand what pressure is. WG knows they are unbalanced, it's up to the community to show how much they dislike this.

Almost every other game has a different precedent to WG, and are entirely successful. WG are within their full rights to nerf whatever they like when they like, they choose not to because it keeps more people happy and spending. But if there is enough pressure, the balance tips the the way so WG will most likely change their decision.

You can try to tell people what WG is thinking, but only WG knows that until news is released. As they have previously said they are monitoring the performance and feedback, they are just not at the point where they have to change something. People will pay a lot for these tanks. People also pay a lot for other tanks, and there happens to be a hell of a lot of other tanks that bring WG income. People will still pay for these tanks even if they are balanced. I mean a KV2 that makes money and a cool 3 shot tank, why not??

We both know that you are belittling people skills in a way to discourage them from saying anything, so don't bother attempting to defend that it's clear what you mean. Calling people dog players because they get beaten by broken tanks isn't exactly a solution either is it?

Get good has never and will never be a solution, and I'm sure you would have said exactly the same about missiles.

[burnt venture]

comparing missiles which were a broken mechanic that allowed indirect fire to broken OP tanks that follow the same mechanics as everything else is a hilarious stretch. It's not even on the same scale of balance.

If a tank is OP, and WG knows it's OP, and refuses to nerf them directly, then the only solution that is left is to get good. Everyone knows that there's no option. If crying won't solve things for YEARS, then maybe consider that crying is useless and start adapting.

Getting beaten by broken tanks that EVERYONE KNOWS are broken and tanks that have drawbacks that you can clearly abuse or simply avoid playing against those tanks in 1v1s is not bad play? Please lmao. And I've already said, yeah there are certain situations where you cannot do anything, but the majority of the time it is more than possible to play around it. In fact, playing Anni and Smasher these days has actually gotten harder because people have learned how to deal with them and how to focus fire them. Do you want to call those people out for getting better at countering those tanks too?

Telling people that there is a clear way to play around / with these OP tanks is belittling? Ok buddy. That's the same as refusing to learn and continuing to complain. It's no better than the people calling for buffs to the Smasher and Anni because they can't play well.

At this point this discussion has turned into an absolute meme. People who complain about Smasher and Anni yet shut down any constructive advice that maybe they should adapt to the situation are just as bad as the Smasher and Anni apologists who defend them. By all means #skillissue

[tidal palm]

Wg can u like nerf the t 100 lt like fr??

[distant river]

Just avoid the missiles and get good. Ez. Oh wait but for some reason that was wrong then but is true now.

WG is currently refusing to nerf them because there isn't enough pressure. People can adapt at the same time as putting pressure on WG you know. The tanks do not have drawbacks you can clearly abuse, the have drawbacks that in certain situations you may possibly be able to make an even battle, or rarer yet an advantageous situation to you. (Same could be said be said for missiles, no direct prammo round so just abuse the drawback lol).

Also now you are saying people are dealing with them better, and then saying "oh no anyone who complains about them is just bad" as if it's impossible to be able to deal with them and still complain about their balance, which is still untrue.

If you go all the way back to the start, you have offered nothing constructive on how to deal with these tanks at all, only criticisms and telling people other op tanks exist. If you actually want to help people instead of just insult them and make yourself feel above them, then the best way to do that is actually constructive advice.

The solution is not "get good", it's just the only possible mitigation with issues as bad as this.

Tldr: You can complain about tanks while being able to deal with them, and the Anni and smasher need nerfing desperately.

[teal gust]

Hello guys

[unique scaffold]

glad you understood the joke. some other guy didnt

[burnt venture]

The fact that you equate missiles with broken tanks is hilarious. Missiles are on a whole different level, and I'm sure I don't need to explain. Anni and Smasher at least operate like any other tank would. It's like comparing the wot PC artillery problem to the problem with Chieftain FV4201 and 279E. Not comparable at all.

Is it not true that people are dealing with Anni and Smasher better? Is it not true that learning to improve means you can deal with Anni and Smasher better?

And then you say the tanks don't have drawbacks you can abuse? Lmao WHAT? No yeah, 16 and 13 second long reload isn't a drawback. Poor pen isn't a drawback. Being massive and easy to spot isn't a drawback. Being slow isn't a drawback. No, no significant drawbacks at all. Lol what a statement.

And lmao telling me that I offered nothing constructive. My entire purpose was to say that spamming "Anni Smasher OP" in balance discussion does nothing. And I did offer something constructive. I literally just told you and everyone else that maybe they should consider freaking learning how to play against these tanks instead of complain for the third billionth time, because balance changes to them are very unlikely for a LONG time.

And you sir just went from "Get good has never and will never be a solution" to "it's just the only possible mitigation with issues as bad as this", which is what I just said. I literally acknowledged that the tanks are OP and that get good is the only solution to this situation. You're backpedaling your own arguments.

Please, have fun spamming the same thing in the chat for another 3 years. Maybe WG will do something about it then, because they'll suddenly remember that it's been 6 years since this problem and maybe they'll address it. lmao

TL;DR: Anni and Smasher need nerfing desperately, but it's been 2 years since this issue started so maybe stop the unconstructive spam messages. It's stupid and needs no discussion because it's a one-sided issue that's been beaten to death, and WG are very obviously not going to change anything. There was a point where this was necessary, but now it has been so long since anything was done to address this that it has turned into unproductive wishful thinking.

[burnt venture]

they won't nerf it yet, 60TP line especially 53TP is up for nerfing next. They gotta get rid of strong polish heavy meta with the new Japanese tanks coming in.

Maybe T-100 will be nerfed when the next line of lights come in lol, that's how WG rolls. By releasing strong tanks, it makes new lines popular / the new meta in competitive play. Read: Progetto 65, Sheridan, Yoh, Kran, 60TP, T-100LT. The TVP is the one exception so far in the last few years.

[acoustic estuary]

Mine is not a balance but a fact. You look at the 1000 gold offer for a mail key. And then the bio of the key is writed You can’t change it for 300 gold. WHO WOULD LOSE 1000 GOLD FOR GAIN 300 GOLD. That ain’t stonks.

[nimble zodiac]

It’s because you’re supposed to spend it on a lockbox 🗿

Also irrelevant to balance, read the pins

[acoustic estuary]

I know but the fact they add it in the bio make me feels like they want us to sell it for 300 gold.

[errant kiln]

JEEZ the walls of text here are reminding me of terrible internet political discourse

[burnt venture]

Fix this stupid borsig modeling. What even is this.

[distant river]

Comparison and equation are very different things, please try understand this. Improving, and improving against specific tanks are not the same thing. For instance I can be brilliant at dealing with 183s. All I do is I never poke anywhere. Ever. Just sit in a bush and wait for them to move, if they don't it's a draw. That is one way to deal with a 183 specifically, but it an awful way to play.
A medium length reload with slightly below average standard pen (good/amazing prammo pen) and good or average mobility tends to not outweigh the fact that chances are as soon as they shoot your second clip/shot you are dead. There are areas where these tanks are not top of their field, but the other areas more than make up for it. That makes the drawbacks insignificant.

You keep saying that repetition does nothing but you still don't understand what public pressure is. And again you keep ignoring that people can play well against them as well as complain about the balance issues the propose. The less people talk about it, the longer it will be.

It's very much not what you just said, mitigation and solution are not the same in the slightest. The solution is a nerf. Learning to play better is the only other thing that's one tiny step towards a solution. It's not backpedaling at all 🤦‍♀️

WG will do something if people make it an issue and aren't defeatist. It is very one sided because the only defense is WGs profit. It's a company stance they have that can be changed. WG will prefer to change this before letting the game die, and so there is a point between now and then where WG will change their stance, and people are pushing WG towards that.

It's a small form of protest, it's how pretty much anything gets changed in the world. If you think it's not working then it's on you to make it larger not to say "it's doing nothing get good".

[nimble zodiac]

That's actually an issue with all of the turreted tanks of that line. Of course, that means you can "miss" the tank itself but deal damage anyways, so in that tradeoff you got the good end of the deal, since they have larger hitboxes to plague them

Still something to be fixed, though... The FT AC also had that issue, but the reverse, they patched that though, even while these three were left broken

[burnt venture]

Lmao it is an issue and both sides know it is an issue. This is literally no more than some social justice warrior crap your spouting at this point. "Public pressure!" Please, I'd like to see WG make this change when the game is currently growing more than it ever has and is in no sight of dying. Because dropping "smasher anni OP pls nerf" in chat a couple times a week will totally do that.

It's nothing more than spam at this point. There's no point protesting if both sides clearly know the issue and one side has refused to act for years even right after release when there was a thousand people protesting. Ur actually delusional if you think the amount of protest now is going to change anything.

Maybe considering moving on to bigger issues at hand instead of dwelling on this 2 year old mistake that nobody is bothering to fix. "Anni Smasher OP" should be treated exactly like spam messages, because it contributes zero to any discussion of balance by stating the obvious.

[left stratus]

I think IS-2SH needs buff, right now its not playable. I would buff armor (like Chrysler K has) or speed and aiming time. The problem is that you cant sidescrape, because you dont have armor, if you had at least speed and acurasy it would be a good tank

[distant river]

If the playerbase was organised enough then they could happily and easily pressure WG into a change by putting a big dent in that growth, it's just unlikely to happen that quickly.

As I've said before for WG it is an issue with more upsides than downsides, all the community has to do is change it and their stance will change.

It's immediately pointing out that there is one more player that is not on WGs side, but that player represents a lot more because discord is just a small sample of the games overall playerbase. It's a valid issue to comment on, you just dislike it because you won't open your mind to the possibility of change. It's not hard to keep your personal grievances to yourself.

[burnt venture]

"If the playerbase was organized enough" is 100% a pipe dream. That lone makes ur entire argument worthless. The playerbase was more organized when these tanks came out than now. Good luck with that one XD

Simply said there's a massive majority of players that are ignorant and don't care. Your idea is just about as effective as those "boycotts" of WG that people want. Not gonna happen, but please, keep showering me with this "open ur mind" garbage.

[mint pewter]

WG can nerf something on fv 183?Wanna people play more and diferend tanks and can buff maus relod pls? 🥰🤗

[remote oriole]

This, my skilful friend, is the „fix“ for the long-forgotten „bug“ of HE only splashing open top tanks when shot through the opening. Supposedly caused by the gun hit box, maybe also the crew, it‘s hard to reconstruct at this point

[distant river]

I fail to see how one best case scenario makes my entire argument worthless but if that makes you feel better then go for it I guess. The playerbase organised over ATGMs and this is a much smaller problem, and as you've said you would like to see them nerfed and this is the way to do that. Your "massive majority" that you've pulled out of thin air doesn't quite fit with you complaining about all the people asking for a nerf. You can keep trying to fit in "skill issue" wherever you like but it's useless in very way apart from making stoking your ego a little, so I wouldn't suggest getting too hung up on it.

[burnt venture]

You yourself said the discord is a small place. I'm saying it's stupid to keep posting a message here about the tanks every few weeks. It's spam, and uneccessary.

And apparently I'm the one with the ego problem when you can't even tell what is satire and what isn't. My god, please go back to your Anni/Smasher OP pipe dream. Wanting them nerfed does not equal that reality being plausible, and I see that. I'm so sorry for you if you can't.

[distant river]

The discord is a small place but it's the easiest place to get and give feedback because that's how any sort of feedback has to be done, by samples...

The playerbase wanting them nerfed can lead to them actually being nerfed. I've told you multiple times and explained how it's similar to previous situations where decisions were reversed, you just don't want to see what's right in front of you

[burnt venture]

previous situations were small things, like camos, or brand new mechanics / economy changes, like missiles and spare parts. This is 100% different because not nerfing premiums is and has been WG's long standing policy. Those were also removed after one or two updates, while this has been going on for YEARS.

Why would I not see what's right in front of me when you fail to see any kind of logic behind your own argument. We literally already talked about this and I gave a reason why, yet you keep using the same argument. Absolutely pointless

[neat crescent]

I've seen u guys going at this since 8AM, when's the book gonna be written?

[royal basin]

I agree with you synx. Sure while public pressure is a thing and overturned the missile addition (what we're they smoking when releasing them) this was about a clearly broken mechanic with pretty much 0 counters. The smasher and anni while strong, are like any other tank and has their weaknesses. You can deal with these things. That along with the fact the wg don't want to look like they nerf premiums. Is more then enough as to why they wouldn't nerf them. Hell I don't even think they really need a nerf

[distant river]

small things like ATGMs
Mindblown.jpg

Oh and just for the record, WG broke their own policy big time in 5.5 and there was very little backlash from it. It was at irrelevant tiers sure, but it's one step in the right direction. I can't remember if WG actually went through with it but there was also a ram 2 nerf in one of the open tests.

@royal basin It's understandable why WG don't want to nerf them, it doesn't mean it won't happen. But if you don't think a tank that literally requires it's own special matchmaking needs a nerf...

[burnt venture]

Did you even bother to read. Small things like the camo for the M4 Sherman. ATGM was a brand new mechanic that was removed after two patches due to community feedback being negative, just like spare parts.

WG broke their own policy in 5.5? You mean introducing a whole new class of tanks, collector tanks, and turning all lower tier premiums into collectors, most of which had to be touched for the sake of balance since everything else was also getting nerfed? That was based around destroying lower tiers to discourage sealclubbing. WG not only explained why lower tier premiums were nerfed, they gave compensation in that players earned basically free gold.

Please call me when they decide to turn all premiums into collectors. "Oh but tier 1-5 premiums got turned into collectors and nerfed along with all of the tanks at those tiers" is a terrible excuse for straight up statistically nerfing premiums.

WG "broke" their policy because they were nerfing everything, not just the collectors. This is not similar to nerfing Anni and Smasher at all. Again, we have yet to actually see meaningful nerfs for any premium and most collector tanks have not been nerfed either.

[royal basin]

When they were introduced they were very op. Like most tanks when first released. No one knows how to deal with then. Now most people know how to deal with them. Also the only time people cry is when they get he'd by them. How many times does someone post. Hey I killed a smasher while it was reloading? Sure sometimes that he is unavoidable. But that's just like any tank with alpha.
As much as I don't want to say get good as that can be a bit derogatory. It's like any tank. You can and have to learn how to play against them

Lmao I just read above this has been going forever. Imma get out while I still can lol

[merry robin]

ok i still haven’t faced the new 50t mt but imo i think it’s too op cuz it has armor, decent mobility, good gun depression and the best dpm for mt on tier 10? like bruh ☠️

[distant river]

Your message wasn't worded very clearly, but still the ATGMs were a huge change from WG because they really really wanted to keep them in the game.

With how broken those two tanks are, it's pretty much sealclubbing and I reckon if you looked at what tanks sealclubbers moved on to playing it would be those two. There's still every opportunity to refund gold with the nerf and to turn the Anni into a collector. It would be beneficial to the health of the game to turn all premiums into collectors as well, but I doubt we'll see it until WG runs out of good ideas to get their short term profits up. It's not a terrible excuse in the slightest, but hey I guess you can think that anyway. And hey you have said how there's several other unbalanced tanks that should be nerfed at tier 7, why not do them all at once with the smasher and anni? We have yet to see this, but we were yet to see anything like 5.5 before it happened.

@royal basin They are still broken op. There are ways of playing around them, but by playing them you give yourself a huge advantage. You can learn to play better against them, but they still have a huge advantage just by tank choice, so that should be made more fair

[burnt venture]

Either way no matter how you look at it, it is way past the time to complain about Anni and Smasher. This was a legit problem 2 years ago. Now it has faded into the background and newer bigger problems like stupid mechanics and super consumables are at the forefront. Continuing to complain is just continuing an old circlejerk that WG does not pay attention to.

Everybody knows that it exists, even WG. That's why it is pointless and just spam.

[royal basin]

There will be broken tanks at every tier. The difference between the tech tree and premium ones is that the premiums stay like that forever. It's like what most sealclubbers will do. Just get the next meta tank and play that 4 a bit. Just that they don't have to change the tank their playing

ALSO THEIR ARE COUNTERS TO BOTH OF THESE TANKS
As for turning those tanks to collectors that's a bad precidint for the company. Oh if they turn those tanks into collectors what's the point of buying this tank because they could do that to me eventually.

As much as I don't like some decisions war gaming makes. And how they sometimes look for short term profits over long time enjoyment in the game. We still have to respect that they are a business. They need to make money. They do that with the smasher and anni. Not saying you have to support every decision made but their is nothing to bad with the smasher and anni at the moment. Nerfing them would do a lot more harm then good

[mental pasture]

Have a counter isn't an actual excuse for overpowering vehicles. Why not make tanks where the weakspot is 280mm thick and add em on tier 8? ISU-152 will counter anyways.

The point of buying a tank is merely being able to play it when you want and where you want, even the right to re-buy it with credits. No more, no less. According to EULA, whatever is on the game is objectively WG's property and they can change anything at any time.

Nerfing Anni won't make WG lose profit, as they don't sell BP tanks at all. Nerfing them will only harm seal clubbers, no more, no less. There's more than 300 tanks on the game, someone must be extremely childish just because its favorite vehicle became more balanced.

[karmic portal]

Glad to see the essays continue

[inland oriole]

Fix the vindicator armor. That’s all I want, the siege shield is super thick and yet can still be penned and yet many British TDs can only be penned at the top from the front.

The thing is that lore wise the shield is nearly impenetrable and so they should only be able to damage the commanders area

[frail silo]

Nobody pens that
They pen the super structure behind the shield

But can you pen the tank through it? @nimble zodiac

[nimble zodiac]

The siege shield is a measly 25mm…

Absolutely @frail silo

[inland oriole]

The fact that I have to fear exiting cover even with that massive shield is pitiful

[frail silo]

Oh
Damn, i need to test that out

[unique scaffold]

Hello

[nimble zodiac]

I'm sure this will make it evident that it will not stand up to the targets that it's probably unable to avoid, given the speed

Do keep in mind the Comet and Black Prince can always just press 2

[twin egret]

Weird that the Comet has lower pen than the BP, despite it carrying a 17-pdr in real life?

[cunning dove]

It’s always like this from balance, little to no ammo has historical penetration values

[full token]

atgms took more than 2 patches to get removed. Added in January, removed in December

[frail silo]

Interesting

[twin egret]

It being called impenetrable is merely propaganda

[winged barn]

Its armor is decent against heatspamming clowns

[safe rapids]

It has a 77mm, never mounted the 17-pdr. I’m not sure but the gun on the comet might have been a further development of the Vickers HV gun designed for the Cromwell.

[misty summit]

Buff T49's pene on heats

[winged barn]

If you want pen play a rhm. T49 actually requires braincells to play

[unique scaffold]

KV-1 buff when?

[acoustic estuary]

Buff alecto armor the leopard can pen it with He. It’s joke.

[unique scaffold]

Why nerf annihilator I barely see them anymore

[velvet roost]

Obj907 main gun needs buff

[mental pasture]

Smells like alt account.

[candid steeple]

JPanther II can't pen it. It's beyond me WG. Fix your armor indicator or what. I really don't understand how this didn't pen.

[remote oriole]

Ricochet angle (70 degrees), so the armour indicator/ hitskin is wrong

[sleek grove]

I think he actually hit in that spot, which is red💀

[quasi axle]

he didn't even hit the gray

[remote oriole]

I‘m fairly confident that the ricochet hitmark is still on the grey

[candid steeple]

there is literally a ricochet mark on a grey spot. You know you just have to pay a bit more attention and see the difference between 2 pictures. I mean the reason why I posted 2 pictures is so I can't get that replay.

[hearty steeple]

It ricochet because it was more than 70 degrees from the nominal. And yes hitskins don't work 100% of the time.

[unique scaffold]

I think the point is that they aren’t supposed to work 100% of the time 🤔

[nimble zodiac]

The problem is simply that the plate shown is vanity, not the actual hitbox, so no highlighting applies, like say, it would for an IS-3 Defender

Heck maybe it doesn’t for IS-3 D either, but that’s only paper so tier 7+ can’t tell

[desert rapids]

broo kp is garbag pls make it have jump thing in gravity mode man

[silk hamlet]

yeah heavies that are too light/cant ram should get the jump thing, but eh its just a fun mode

[drifting bolt]

Bro ngl but you moron. It’s just a sheet of metal connecting the mantlet to the turret. You got baited. It’s like shooting an attachment lol. Imagine seeing the side of an IS-7, flat on. You shoot because there’s no red. But then u don’t pen because you bigbrain and shot spaced armor. It’s just part of the game.

[raw geyser]

Heres in armor inspector

Its an autobounce, but it can be overmatched

I forgot to put here, KV-2 can also pen it at that angle

[neat crescent]

It's the usual bug with "extra armor plates" like the is4 did before the hit skins rework, where the actual armor can't be penned by angle or thickness but the overlapping armor plate does look pennable, and it seems to be even though what's under isn't 🤔

[spice dragon]

Up badger

[candid steeple]

WG when are we going to nerf russian tier IX and X lights armor? I bounce of them more then mediums. I don't understand why WG loves to make everything new overstated. Hard pushing that power creep.

[nimble zodiac]

Again, you’re probably hitting their auto-ricochet plates

[little dock]

even heat sometimes bounce them

in WoTPC,we can pen them with/without heat,even normal shells can pen a russian pancake

[nimble zodiac]

They just have really well angled plates 🤷‍♂️

[merry robin]

nerf t100

[silver urchin]

You are a heavy player?

[merry robin]

no

[surreal rivet]

You don't need to be a heavy player to tell how op it is armor nerf would be great

[cursive pollen]

what is this lmao

[prisma jetty]

Not balance discussion lol

[obsidian mural]

More Armor on Stb 1

[prisma jetty]

Why?

[unique scaffold]

Day 1 of asking for the KV-1 buff

[maiden folio]

Buff E100

[sleek grove]

Buff players skill.

[nimble zodiac]

I'm pretty sure WG just left tiers I - V to die now lol

[blissful crown]

Day one of asking for the annihilator to be removed ( no seriously I do not like coming across them)

[unique scaffold]

Love the new event

[merry robin]

buff type 59

[mental pasture]

Nerf 60TP and for god's sake don't give the op equipments to Vk72*

[harsh tulip]

Can I help you?

[stuck acorn]

*any tank, not just VK

[unique scaffold]

I beg WG to Nerf tiger 2 armor, just pleaseeeeee

[surreal rivet]

Use prammo

[unique scaffold]

The basic tiger 2 turret can be penetrated from the front on the cheeks while the lower hull can be penetrated. The commander hatch on the upgraded turret can be penetrated if you wait for the aiming circle to shrink.

[little dock]

agree,but for me need the hydro suspen,usefull for hilldowns,a 10° is worst than 7° with hydro,use on steep hills but need to adjust alot on the fronter point

[obsidian mural]

Much better if wargaming make this on stb

[little dock]

Console and PC WoT has this,called "Siege Mode",there are 2 stages,

1 when driving at flat surface/land,it will lower the tank which can reduce the chance of hittin the ammo(qnd also lower the speed,means its activated)

2 hulldown mode,whic works when going on high hills and lower the front to increase gd to 12°

wotb's stb exposed space to the side tracks which can ammorack anytime by a 150-183(122 can but if ur ammo got the first hit only)

[wide dawn]

Day one of requesting you to buff your skill

[unique scaffold]

Did they lower the front armor of the is 6 in the bast few months or is the obj. 252u that much better that is makes the is 6 feel like a toy?

[little dock]

no changes on the is 6's fronter armor in the past few days

[stiff edge]

i love the specification

[unique scaffold]

I meant months haha 😄

[winged barn]

Is6 has the dpm gun to flex on low armor tanks.

[shy crypt]

IS-2 (And IS because they are the same) and WZ-110 Armor Buff urgently, Object 84 needs more acceleration, i don't care about his angled Upperp plate, and i think ISU-152 needs a little bit of buff in the Gun Accuracy because for long distances shots is very very bad

[surreal rivet]

Obj need armor nerf nothing else

[west forge]

Smasher/Anni buff anyone?

[prisma jetty]

1. The IS and IS-2 are fine. They have strong armor, but with weak points in the form of the hatches and lower plate. The 110 is fine. It’s like an IS-3 that traded in some turret armor for a hull that can bounce.

2. Object 84, if anything, needs a nerf. Take away some armor, it becomes lighter, you get your acceleration buff!

3. ISU only needs more HP lol, the gun is already insanely good, no need for it to be better.

[little dock]

for me is and is2 is the same tank with different fronter plate hull,IS is more squared and is2 more angled,a weak 45-75mm cant pen except 90-122mm,just the matchmaking need to be more suitablefor these 2 tanks,and player need to know how to sidescrape correctly

obj84 needs a nerf on armor,acceleration is gud enough for a tier 9,also the t100 also needs nerf on the armor

isu's gun dispwrsion is almost the same like WoTPC,but dats not the case,it needs armor/hp only,gun.......i dun think needed buff on gun handling,a 152 is like handling a bigger ammo in a barrel(dats why equipments are important,just need to practice)

[wide dawn]

The only buff ISU needs is the HP count, nothing else.

[unique scaffold]

ST. emil needs a speed buff now!

[shy crypt]

IS and IS-2 are almost the same, a little change in the shape of the front won't make any difference in-game, and the Lower Plate is so weak and so big that needs a Buff or needs to be more tiny

If you have played the Object 84, probably you won't be saying that the Acceleration is good, because literally have one of the worsts acceleration in all Light tanks, Medium Tanks have better acceleration and this, remember, LIGHT TANK is not fast enough for being a LIGHT TANK
So, if you wanna remove the Upper plate that i see normal and balanced, then you need to make much better the speed and acceleration, because is literally one of the worst Light tanks in the game

ISU-152s Gun Dispersion is...good, but only for closer encounters, because if you need to aim to a enemy that is like 300m away from you, then you won't have enough time in your life to be aiming to that enemy, remember, is a Tank Destroyer with 0 armor, is not made for closer encounters, and can be deleted in 2 shots, maybe 3, and this tank with the Lack of mobility (Speed and Trasverse) no almost Gun Depression, no Turret, and the big size it haves, this tank really needs a buff, not a great buff, just something that make this tank worth, i know this tank have the Bst Gun in Tier 8 but Gun is not all what makes a tank Good

[surreal rivet]

Thing is ISU has literally T10 penetration

[blissful crown]

I have more skill than those playing that broken tank I just do not like coming across them

[wide dawn]

If you have more skill to counter them then just deal with it, it's that simple. It isn't broken to the point you cannot even destroy.

[safe rapids]

Don’t bother with accuracy in the ISU, it pens almost everything so no need to aim for weak points.

[little dock]

need more buff=skill issue

have the skills=cant aim issue

dealt with it,wats the use of premmo dat exist in wot,i even use premmo to pen a hard in 75-100mm,even 105 to pen a maus/e100

and @wide dawn yep,i met u last time lol,ur in a skorpion

[wide dawn]

😳 what are you tryna say?

[little dock]

i dunno if u remember or not,but theres once an isu 130 says "skorpion's name...." n recognize the name ur using in gravity mode,and dat time ur using a......skorpion G(if im correct)

so i think its u lmao XDbcus the name is similar

[raw geyser]

H u h ?

[wide dawn]

come #general-blitz-discussion

[unique scaffold]

Doesn't the AMX 30 B need some kind of buff? I mean it's really fun to play, but it usually doesn't perform like the other mediums. It's basically a Leopard 1 with a slightly harder turret (but with a massive weakspot still) and worse mobility, accuracy and no DPM whatsoever 😅 . At least make the fuel tank a bit better 🔥

[surreal rivet]

Why do people compare 30b and Leo so much they have almost nothing alike except for speed

[stiff edge]

because the 30b is what happens if you mix stb and leo, and people correlate 30bs strength of speed more strongly to the leo’s strength of speed

[unique scaffold]

The new free tank the Panzer 4s. Is really hard to get the most out of so be careful

[tulip escarp]

It keeps getting buffed bruh

[wicked quest]

Neither have leopard hasn’t been buffed since 2019-20

[frigid spire]

give minimal armor for obj260?

[kind bay]

Wargaming needs to remove the stock 88 for the E50. It makes the tank near impossible to play and it struggles to pen tier 8s even. The reason is because it's the Tiger Is upgraded gun, which also struggled to pen tier 8s. It makes it so hard to play the tank when it's a tier 9 that can't take on a tank a tier lower.

203mm of pen is not enough for a stock Tier 9

It's a gun meant for a tier 7 on a tier 9. I don't care if it's stock, an upgrade shouldn't be 55k XP just to be able to pen stuff. It makes it hard to even get the XP in the first place as you barely do any dmg because you can't pen any tanks.

[nimble zodiac]

I think it is

That’s why it’s the stock gun

Press 2 🤨

[kind bay]

I don't use premium shells, it gives me an unfair advantage over other tanks. An extra 30mm of pen is not worth being called a pramo spammer

[quasi axle]

it's not an "unfair" advantage, every tank has them, nobody cares about the people who complain about pramo spam

[nimble zodiac]

So you’re telling me you’d rather cry in an official server with thousands of members than get your feelings hurt by a few, if any, people? 😂

[kind bay]

Wow. Knew I wouldn't get any support here. Seems everyone hates my opinion no matter what it is. Even when I'm correct in saying the tank is outclassed by every medium under the sun it could possibly fight.

Because here, we only ask sensible balance changes like adding 8 more shots to the Annhialator and giving the Obj. 252U 300mm of additional hull plating. Something like making a stock gun on a tank actually be able to do something is just too extreme.

[uneven narwhal]

It's a stock gun; it's meant to be trash

Using prammo does not make you a prammo spammer or gold noob
This isn't WoT PC

[wide dawn]

Not using prammo because it apparently "gives an unfair advantage over other tanks" is an absolute no-brainer opinion right there, plus if you use the stock gun on E50 or even any other tank mostly you will suffer in penetration, you are bound to.

[kind bay]

I get stock is meant to be trash but 203mm of pen with 220 alpha is a little ridiculous. Considering you're paired with tier 10s the majority of the time makes it even worse.

And this isn't a one-off thing. It's every match. It's either I get to fight tier 10s I can't pen or that new tier 9 Russian Heavy that definitely doesn't belong at that tier. It wouldn't be that bad if this didn't happen every time.

For example, take a contemporary tank. The T-54. It has 180mm of base pen but that's offset by 280 alpha dmg. It also is offset by the fact the tank starts off with a decent turret and relatively good mobility. The guns are also only about 50k XP to research, and give a significant pen buff.

[sleek grove]

U can admit you're broke and can't afford prammo, u don't have to call it an u fair advantage.

An unfair advantage would be if only you would fire prammo.

[neat crescent]

Even then though running only heat is a bad idea if between you and your target there happens to be an object that makes ur heat shell go boom(which around 10-25% of shots do require ap/apcr for 🤔), oh or spaced armor or whatever other drawback heat has

[mental pasture]

Don't play victim, and for God's sake, use just a little bit of logic.

It's not that everyone hates your opinion, it's because you're crying for stupid buffs like any other fool that asks for stupid buffs.
Stock guns are supposed to be bad with little excuses like SU-152. The penetration of a stock gun from a medium is, usually, the average penetration of the tier bellow or something about it.

Prammo isn't an unfair advantage. You trade damage and credits for penetration (most of the time) and it's pretty situational, you doubt my affirmation? Take your favorite tank and play 5 AP only runs and 5 prammo only runs (not counting SU-100y, then compare the damage between those 10 battles.

Third, I detect a smell of skill issue. Why don't you simply save free exp and avoid playing stock tanks as like any other experienced player does? 55k is surely a considerable amount, but daily you can make 1.5k of free exp by watching only 3 ads, there's also all of the events, chests and the free exp you do on battles.

[leaden flare]

203mm of pen is a ton for a stock gun and enough to pen even t10 tanks
The other meds at t9 often start with guns way below 200mm pen for example t54 starts with 175mm and has a topgun that only has 212mm pen

[twin egret]

I enjoy the L/100 gun on the E50 i find it unique

[hollow musk]

nerf smasher its so op

[upbeat sphinx]

Think that the Patton 46 has a 105mm as top gun that has 218 base pen.
And that's after it has to endured the stock grind with two subpar 90mm that have respectively 172 and 180 ap pen.
200mm is workable thought not ideal.

[main tulip]

Give the Patton the 105mm derp gun back ;-;

[unique scaffold]

@upbeat sphinx Buongiorno ita anyway yes the M46 Patton has defenetly been my worst tier IX ever. I think that usually below tier X mediums are kind of trash when compared to the heavies of the same tier, but the Patton is surely the hardest line I've grinded yet. Luckily WG has been slowly buffing their DPM ecc.

Pls WG buff the AMX 30 B just even a little bit!

[little dock]

theres a difference between premmo spammer and emergency premmo user

premmo spammer means he spam all the premmos in one battle untill they run out(which is a dumb idea to do,cuz u lose alot of credits,includes u cant pen a tank with premmo),Emergency premmo user on the other hand,uses premmo to pen a hard tank dat is hard to pen from basic ammo due to the armor thiccness or the weaked gun

i use premmo alot on emergency,not spam,also,premmos has alot of version,reversed premo,normal premo and explosive premmo(the Hesh)

[outer glen]

There are worse pen than 203mm in tier9 stock tanks

St1 stock for example
175mm pen

[surreal rivet]

Why is there a argument on which term to use for people who use prammo

[sleek grove]

imagine caring about gold spammers
they just lower their dpm so u have more chances to out dpm them lmao

[little dock]

issue on penning a tank with normal ammo lol

[leaden flare]

My brain bleeds from seeing someone like that
That should be a crime to not load any prammo

[calm hatch]

give the t82 its 105mm howitzer back instead of the horrible gun it has now

[scarlet fjord]

for people struggling with extremely bad stock tanks
best thing you can do is store up your free exp and dont use it to get modules on tanks that are playable with stock modules like the borsig tbh that tank doesnt even feel stock when it actually is because the 130 mm is just so good not better but still good
what i dont understand is why some tier 10's have non viable guns

[little dock]

stock is not bad tbh,just ppl hate it bcus dunno how to use,reminds me dat one guy said a stock tiger 2 is the hardest thing to have,i rarely spend free exp to use modules,and using a 50 crew instead of 75 due to low credits

so,my point is,ppl just need to get used to it on using stock,so next time after buying a new tank it will be the same process,and requires alot of patience,for those have bad stock gun,better use 5-10 premmo as emergencies,15 is better if ur on a lower tier than 8

also @calm hatch i dunno but the t82 with the old 105 howitzer has heen removed and replaced with dat.....45mm kinda like gun,the 105 is a nerf tot he tier 2-3,plus,a paper having a big derp is like a paper Arty spamming HE on enemies,it same goes to the t18 replaced the old howitzer with the small pen gun

[scarlet fjord]

yeah many tanks that are stock are playable maybe it seems like this to us but to a newbie trust me its soo toxic
imagine not being able to do more than your average alpha per game
it destroys your ability to think straight
i remember years ago when i got my first tier 8
it was an IS-3 when i got the BL-9 i was like wow this thing is so much fun to drive because u kept doing almost nothing every game with my stock tank

[little dock]

when i start play WoT(Pc),stock is the most horible thing to handle,but after a few days,i master it to use,with a stock crew

the fact dat,stock tank is like a beginner's adventure on controlling a new tank with different type,using an old gun as a practice gun b4 researching a bigger gun,patience on handling bad aim,theres alot of benefits on controlling a stoc tank instead of wasting exp researching like dat,blitz are ezier bcus of the boosters,WoTPC/Console dont have this kind of things,so controlling stock is like having a training on the tank roles and types,other than dat,for crew,WoT crew is better,bcus of the change crew system from tier 1-10 for evry tank u own

[full token]

203mm pen because they use rammer instead of CS, or they havent even bought any equipment

[mental pasture]

I love to see how everyone united against a "prammo is an unfair advantage" kid.

[leaden flare]

thats how its supposed to be

u make dumb decisions and youre getting held accountable for it

[stuck acorn]

E50 used to have stock 75 mm from a panther and it got removed, because it was absolutely horrible. 88 is actually playable. Currently most tanks in the game have only 1 stock gun, 1 engine 1 track and 1 turret. Only those really old tanks still have more. I find that quite stupid, because upgrading the tank is quintesence of this game. In my opinion all tanks should have at least 1 bad module of every type and let's say 2 alternative configurations

Ofc those complicated research patterns like in Wz 120 where you have 2 or 3 guns costing a lot of XP with only difference between them being 10 mm of pen or something are even more stupid, but i really like situations where you could choose many different configurations of the tank like in for example pre 4.2 sherman jumbo. You could take the top, weaker turret with more HP and top more reliable gun or the 105mm howtizer with stock way stronger turret, but less HP.

and btw pramo is not unfair advantage. If you don't want to use it, go ahead face T10 even with top gun LOL

[frail silo]

How is prammo an unfair advantage when all people can buy it with credits?

[winged barn]

HE is an unfair advantage because it raises dpm.

[surreal rivet]

so true remove he now!!!!

[scarlet fjord]

WG first ur 50 TP prototype now obj 752
dont ruin the most balanced tier in the game its infuriating

[waxen dragon]

do y’all have tought about buffing the conqueror a lil

[silk hamlet]

it was already buffed a couple patches ago

true

[surreal rivet]

Minimal buff lmao

[unique scaffold]

I now want to go find a game that has an e50 using it 😂

[merry robin]

give wz1201gft more hp

[prisma jetty]

How about 120-1g ft is already very strong and doesn't need a buff

[chilly swan]

Buff the penetration of T32 T-VIII Amerian tank

[uneven narwhal]

What

[mental pasture]

How about T32 is already very strong and doesn't need a buff

[safe rapids]

It already was buffed recently.

It does not need a pen buff.

[obtuse sentinel]

"Buff this, buff that. Nerf this, nerf that."
Everytime I come into this channel specifically, I lose 1 million braincells from all the 🤡 takes and suggestions. Don't even get me started on the people who complain about MM. Do people not ever read the pinned messages on the channels here? Smh my head it hurts to see the same take and same comments everyday repeating the same NPC statements.

[calm hatch]

yeah but it had a tremendous reload and no armor at all. a t82 could one shot another t82, and regular guns firing HE would obliterate internals and crew members. theres no main reason to play it anymore imo. not to mention how bad its accuracy was

[prisma jetty]

You’re joking, right?

[mental pasture]

Then leave the server. What do you expect from a playerbase that have players who think Town in Portbay is a valid option?

[sleek grove]

Town in port bay is G.O.A.T-ed I don't take criticism btw

[mental pasture]

No, simply no. From medium lane you can have easy access to the whole map, maintain higher ground and decisive positions for hulldown, intercept a few tanks comming to hill after crossing almost the hole map, and even encircling them all if enemies reach your spawn through city.

[scarlet fjord]

it depends on the loadout of tanks?
its not a 1 way ticket WG isn't that useless lol

[sleek grove]

That's some good points right there, but as I said, I dont take criticism.

[winged barn]

You never joke about t32 buffs. It still isn't hands down the best tank in the tier in every possible way(somehow)

[mental pasture]

Absolute Chad'ish move.

[winter oriole]

Wg please buff the panther 2

[fluid topaz]

Wg please buff the T71

[stuck acorn]

please stop asking for buffs for the tanks that doesn't need them at all

[winter oriole]

Buff the panther 2 it is so bad if you've never played it don't talk

[sleek grove]

Please stop asking for buffs

[prisma jetty]

It’s not really that bad, just play better

[unique scaffold]

Panther II is fine

[main tulip]

Panther II and Panther 88 are overhated

[dense oyster]

T26E4 also imo

[hearty steeple]

Panther 2 is ok, I didn't do well in it but I mostly played it with stock crew before grinding it out in a gamemode. Super pershing tho is usually overrated if anything.

[winged barn]

Uhhh
No. That tank has a useless gun, useless armor, and useless mobility. It deserves all the hate it gets.

[obtuse sentinel]

Never said I wanted to leave buddy, was just being a little snarky. However, I do agree that town on Portbay is a great way to throw a game

[nimble zodiac]

Who are you to criticize people’s takes on balance?

Double edged sword 🤷‍♂️

Dang, edit swooped, aight

[obtuse sentinel]

Fair point actually. ☝️

[winter oriole]

Buff the panther 2

[pulsar aurora]

Does anyone know if there is/was a “honeymoon phase” where a newly researched tank gets preferred mm for 5-10;games?

[obtuse sentinel]

pwease weegee buff progeto 46 it underpowered need 3k dpm more armor speed and hp thx 👍

[blazing terrace]

there is no confirmation from wargamin but I have already read many sources stating that it has 9 battles but from my own experience it is 4 or 5 battles

[fluid topaz]

All I want is for the T71 to be buffed to tier 10

[nimble zodiac]

WG has confirmed there is a honeymoon period where MM tries to put you on top-tier games, but it’s no guarantee @pulsar aurora @blazing terrace

Let’s not continue this here, for this channel is about tank balance, not MM

[chilly swan]

@prisma jetty yeah... I was just joking and everybody's reaction are hilarious

[upbeat sphinx]

Agree, they should do an update to remove those guns especially at tier 9, the old tech trees heavies tanks (conqueror and M103) needs something like 200k exp to be fully equipped.
50tp instead has only a gun to research.

[ember arrow]

KpfPZ need tp upgrade tier 10

HT >>> MT
Front armor
125mm >>> 80mm
Side armor
94mm >>> 64mm
Engine
750hp >>> 1500hp
Top speed
40 km/h >>> 60 km/h

[silk hamlet]

we do not need a medium sheridan with turret armor thank you very much

[proven vine]

Bc 25 t
1 frontal armor buff
2 the shells reload 2.8>>1.8(1.0)

[little dock]

the frontal armor already buff,for the shells,for the gun reload,its balance when ur using a 90mm/105mm,the tier 7 amx(i dun remember which one) recieve lower than 2 sec bcus of the gun,buffing a reload speed aint help,ur still in 3 ammo auto reload instead a 4-5 auto reload dat can lower to 2 sec like WoT

[proven vine]

I mean that thing bro :/

[little dock]

if can,use vents instead recalibrate shells,and,ur in a LT,use strenght hull n turret armor is usefull than HP,Hp is for survivalbility while armor strenght ur tank to bounce on most guns(or when their aim is worst)

im not a bc 25t user but once a bc25 ap,i use this to make it op enough for certain battles,and,im not a yoloer baguette like dat foch

[sleek grove]

Using vents instead of Cali should be a sin

[uneven narwhal]

Vents is useless

[leaden flare]

i have that on quite a few tanks
752, t57, 50b and prog 46

[frail silo]

vents on prog 46????
i can understand the first 3 but prog 46??

[leaden flare]

yes it has apcr prammo and the pen on prammo is already good enough for me
im not shooting heavys frontally too much anyway

[ancient jewel]

Hi can buff the is4 turret traverse pls and thanks

[brazen field]

In 99% of cases i would agree

[stuck acorn]

i actually have all tech tree tanks in the game including panther 2. it's pretty fun to hear something about game balance from guy that is so incompetent that can't even grind a pretty decent tank

[surreal rivet]

i feel like a buff to the panther 2 would be nice tho

[stuck acorn]

i feel like it wouldn't tho. We need nerfs to meta tanks, not buffs to average and balanced ones

[sudden granite]

Stop using vents on 50b!!!

[leaden flare]

no

[open frost]

Put smasher and annihilator to t8 (・∀・)

[forest orbit]

OK wg it's nice car blocked fat tank

[unique scaffold]

Buff T110E5 🙂 Gun reload and gun damage

[shy crypt]

Smasher can stay in T7 but needs a penetration Nerf in the AP bullets, and Annihilator...
This tank doesn't need any kind of change, is well enough like it is now, the tank is not OP, this tank needs to shoot 3 times in 1 second, in that second you can angle your armor and bounce 2 or 1 shot, or even the 3 shots, is really easy to play against Anni, it's in fact a Heavy Tank but have a weak front armor, i don't think it needs any change

[twin egret]

Yeah but can you react fast enough to angle quickly

[shy crypt]

If you can predict when he will shoot, then yes, at least if you're seeing the Anni, if not, then you will need luck to bounce or evade shots, the big problem the Annihilator haves it's that needs to shoot 3 times not instantly, you can miss 1 or 2 shots very easily, and that means you just do 400 - 200 dmg and you need to wait 12 seconds to reload, and again, you can miss again 1 or 2 shots again, RNG is called

[upbeat sphinx]

smasher problem is not ap, but heat. 250mm at tier 7 mean s you can pen basically anything, and in tier 8 it is still decent.
Maybe even the HE is an issue, imho if smasher had a gun like the vindicator it would not be that much broken

[shy crypt]

HE is based on (i think) two things, i don't know what exactly one is but is based on:
1 - Damage
2 - Caliber of the Gun
So the problem here it's not a Tier 7 with that HE pen, that doesn't depend on Tier, that depends on the Gun, what about the SU-152? People forget that tank or what? SU-152 have better mobility and despite not having turret, it's not like Smasher can turn his turret more faster, so HE don't depend on Tier, so no complain about HE, complain about that

Btw, yeah, HEAT have 250 mm pen so it needs a nerf too, in damage or penetration
but in the end, SU-152 is almost the same, but with no Turret and less armor (but better mobility and tiny size in comparison with the Smasher)

[winter oriole]

i have the tank you idiot thats why i said to buff it because it is not nearly as good as so many other tier 8 mediums. ive grinded all the tanks on the tech tree except for the death star line. also i havent spent a cent in the game. panther 2 is the worst tier 8 medium and because of that there is really no point in playing the panther 2.

[upbeat sphinx]

i pointed at the vindi as it has 900 alpha on the He. They could have done the same for the smasher.
turret helps a lot the smasher, and even the armour on the turret is good enough for low pen vehicles.

[shy crypt]

Yeah, but remember, turning the turret takes time, and when you finish to turn the turret in the correct direction, now you need to aim for some seconds if the enemy is far enough, Smasher need nerfs but WG will never nerf this tank, overall because is a collector tank, they don't nerf Premium and Collectors normally, even if the Smasher is OP, because it's one of the unique tanks in the game where we can say that; It's Overpowered

[upbeat sphinx]

just because it is not outstanding does not mean it is bad.
It is just average at best, tier 8 mediums except the t 34 2, the pershing and the Pantera have around 50 wr% in the last 90 days.
Keep in mind that, chimera and progetto basically outmatch every other tier 8 tech tree medium tanks.

[stuck acorn]

sounds like a skill issue

[prisma jetty]

If you think the Panther 2 is the worst tier 8 tech tree med, you clearly haven’t played them all

[winter oriole]

ive played every tech tree tank n the game and evaluated them all into categories and the panther 2 is the worst and needs a buff.

[prisma jetty]

You clearly haven’t played the Cent 1, T-44, or STA-1

[hard pebble]

STA 1 and Cent 1 are the worst

[plain moss]

I think they should lower the dispersion of is 3, that is, if it can be fixed a bit with equipment, but its dispersion is still ridiculous

[sleek grove]

If your way of categorising tanks is the same as droodles then u have no reason to complain

[winter oriole]

the panther 2 is just a bad medium and needs buffed

[steep socket]

💀

[scarlet fjord]

Literally a sin

[rain eagle]

pls buff T 28 prot.

[nimble zodiac]

Perhaps by these metrics? 😳
I'm aware it won't change much, but it can do something

[safe rapids]

I prefer the T-44 over the Panther II. I think the STA is probably the worst, maybe the Cent.

[shy crypt]

Hey, Centurion I is a very good tank, just hull down and farm enemies with the good DPM and the 10 Gun depression

[winged barn]

Wow
You are really doing the t44 that dirty. That things a monster

Mabe you convincing them to use that gun gave them that opinion.

to a point
It cant hit or reload to use the alpha

They had to remove the loaders arms and the gunners eyes to fit the gun

Ahhhh
That explains the lack of pen. The shell just goes splat

[distant river]

Especially with the 122 ;)

Hey nothing beats alpha... Right...?

Maybe they shoot the loader out of the 122 now that's an idea

[main tulip]

Panther II is not bad, the gun is quite good and the upper plate is strong against same and lower tier meds
I think it would be nice if they gave it the option to use the 8,8 cm L/100 though, like it does on PC. Maybe give it less dpm than the L/71 so they're on equal footing, but you have to make the choice of whether you want DPM or pen. This would also serve to make the E50 stock grind a little easier, which I saw some people complaining about earlier.

[distant river]

The panther 2 is a nice single shot average med in a tier where they are pretty trash, it's fun to play and I like it but it could do with the 225->240 alpha change most t8 meds need and then maybe a bit more upper plate to make it a little more troll against the big boy guns and to lead nicer into the E50 and E50M

[round kernel]

gibe t34 hull armor plz 🥺

[atomic hull]

I would like to see WG buffing the T110E5 and FV215B.

[karmic cradle]

#buffsmasher

[unique scaffold]

Don’t you troll on my server buddy.

[karmic cradle]

Lol