tank-balance-discussion

[safe rapids]

And buff speed to 80kph and give it 10 round auto loader it’s too weak

[dark pike]

tungsten shells is about as overpowered as the healing consumable originally planned for the fv215b

[jagged crescent]

i unironically support that now

[thin ermine]

Wargaming, just stop with the super consumables. Please. This is getting absolutely ridiculous.

You have: [given you are running long duration consumables which you should]
A T110e5 that can go 42 KPH forward & 22 backwards for 20 seconds and have 3000 effective HP for 20 seconds. [2645 to use the entire game]
A T110e3 that can go 40 KPH forward & 20 backwards for 20 seconds and be able to hit shots accurately from very far away and snap shots for 26 seconds
A VK90 with 2818 HP to use the entire game that can hit shots accurately from very far away and snap shots for 26 seconds.
A grille that never ever misses for 26 seconds and for the entire game takes 20% reduced damage from HE [making HE pointless for many tanks]
A fv215b that has 2473 HP to use the entire game, and goes 39 kph forwards & 22 backwards and has 3000 effective HP for 20 seconds
A fv4005 that takes 20% reduced HE damage making HE pointless for many tanks, can dump 1380 alpha in 4.2 seconds for 20 seconds, snipe extremely accurately from very far away and snap shots for 26 seconds, and can go 45 kph forward & 28 kph backwards for 20 seconds.
A WZ-113GFT that has 2070 hp to use all game, has 2500 effective HP for 20 seconds and can snipe very accurately from far away and snap shots for 26 seconds.
A Kranvagn that has 2703 hp to use all game, go 35 forward and 28 backwards for 20 seconds and snipe very accurately and snap shots well for 26 seconds. In a heavy tank.

And after this update, you will have
A 60TP that for the entire game can go 6KPH faster foward and backwards than it was tested as, have 9% better engine power than it was tested as, have 35% better shell velocity than tested as, and have a consumable that makes it never, ever low roll for 26 seconds.

Same stuff will happen to the 50TP, and as we all have figured out very quickly, the 50TP is broken OP as is.

[strong hamlet]

alright jw spittin fr

[jagged crescent]

~~the 1460 alpha dump is actually 4.2 seconds ~~

[nimble zodiac]

1380 FV4005 dump

<3

Also it's 2703 HP, not 2713 for Kranvagn :3

[safe rapids]

Please, WG, read this and reconsider those super consumables. EDIT: EVERYONE who does not like the idea please LIKE/THUMB UP the aforementioned message by @thin ermine
Let WG know their "balance" ideas for this new branch make no sense!

[quasi axle]

I doubt wg ever reads this channel anyway

[uneven narwhal]

Its just something to make us feel heard where actually its all going down the drain

[dense oyster]

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[gilded aurora]

Some tier 8 tds need hp buff, like the isu 130....it literally has like, 1000 hp....

[stray verge]

Alot of tier 8 mediums need more dpm, <2.5k DPM bad

[nimble zodiac]

1010 HP, just like ISU-152

[brisk path]

the hell with the flags

[unique scaffold]

Would Sheri remain balanced if its mobility nerfs were reverted?

[minor minnow]

Someone’s mad about something

[gilded aurora]

Yes easily 2 shottable

[thorn iron]

But that’s because it has such an op gun

[gilded aurora]

One thing is, u have to pay more to do more damage. Although the reload and speed is pretty decent, there are other tanks in that tier with an op gun and more hp. I agree that not all premium tanks are op, but this one is kinda lacking tbh. I like the isu130 overall, just wish it had more hp

[gleaming apex]

35#6567 was softbanned

[formal rose]

can balance the magnification of the computer or mobile device sight, playing on a mobile device is at a disadvantage because it cannot be as accurate due to the automatic sight that cannot aim as accurately as it can be done on the computer despite being in the same tank at the same distance shooting at the same point, playing on the computer gives you more chances to hit and get masteries.

[stiff edge]

monke

[formal perch]

hey WG , pls buff the VK72 as it is becoming very inferior in the fact of DPM and accuracy comparing to other tier 10 Heavy tanks. Just some frontal armor (easy pen by premium shells ) cant be enough because the sides are very weak and now a days it has started to get ammoracked & gets on fire very easily :/
Please consider this matter.

[versed tide]

Guys kran dpm is terrible time to buff it because it’s inferior

[ebon lynx]

Kran is a autoreloader, but the dpm is good

[stiff edge]

first minute dpm*

[versed tide]

it was sarcastic

[neon prawn]

Why don't just balance the game instead of introducing broken nonsense consumables and provisions?

[gilded aurora]

kek

[uneven narwhal]

Because that makes sense and player base is satisfied
WG no likey that

[weak grove]

They buffed that consumable tungsten shells now it's even more broken and it make the 60tp broken
Plus that is going to powercreep the e100
So if they release the tank everyone is going to grind the line eventually because of how broken the tank is

[civic sorrel]

I'm looking forward to this , it gives the game variation and a bit of more fun ofc for those who use the tank. It's boring and tiring the old spam t22 med platoons chief mk6 vk90p platoons etc. This makes the game a bit more interesting and fun for those who like to grind the hole line like me. From me 👍 thumbs up for wg

[mint void]

Agreed on the super consumables breaking game balance. Not so much on the 50TP being "OP", even with super consumables.

It's decent, and borderline broken on the right (unicum) hands. But that just makes it a situationally strong tank, not a OP one with tanks like the STG/T34/Rev/Leopard 1. It's balanced on average player's hands by the 290mm turret cheeks + cupola (when not using 10 deg depression) easily penetrable even by some T8 gold shells, has troll hull armor with lots of easy weakspots for meds, as well as low DPM which makes it harder for it to brawl & bully meds using it's speed.

But don't misinterpret me, I'm very happy the 50TP is a situationally strong tank, not an overall OP one. I'm so tired of new broken lines being introduced in to the game power-creeping existing tank lines instead of adding variety into the game. Not sure about everyone else...

[weak grove]

No it doesn’t if u have a brain u would see that 60tp consumables are just unbalanced
It’s not going to change the meta at all we are just going to go back to the old heavy spam in tournament and in pubs we only gonna see 60tp toons because no one spams the t22 even though it has armor no one spams the chieftain bc ppl think it’s a bad tank even if it isn’t in reality and no body want to do a vk90 spam because it’s not as good and over power
The only armor u have is the turret and the frontal armor on the hull, for the rest, the sides are complete garbage meaning when you are on a map where u can’t hull down ppl can just flank u

[gilded aurora]

I want WG to give us what they think defines the word "balance"

[neon prawn]

Everyone will spam 60tp and the game at tier X will be boring. Also few people spams the tanks you mentioned because few people have them, they costs money and they rarely come into the shop

[limber nymph]

I feel like they designed the consumables/provisions before the 60tp got buffed, since they do the same thing that the buff did

[mint void]

To play devil's advocate here....this happens every time a new tank is released (vickers, kravagn, progetto, TVP). People and unicums alike free XP the branch out of excitement or to play it before it gets rebalanced.

So this isn't really exclusive to the 60TP

[weak grove]

Tvp is balance

[neon prawn]

You are partially right, the tvp for example was never so much used even when it was released, and none of that tanks were at the level that the 60tp actually has, so almost everyone will grind that tech tree. The fact that they can, and definitely will, nerf it after the release is sort of conforting

[stuck acorn]

Noice xD WG instead of removal actually BUFFED tungsten shells. Now they not only give you better rolls but also +15% to alpha. (It's 100% confirmed, i played on OT)

@prisma jetty so basically now 60TP with tungesten shells have 690 avg dmg +5% that you have guaranteed to have as worst roll you can get is 105%. so in worst scenario you will deal 725. That's ridiculous

[prisma jetty]

I’m sorry what? That’s… wow.

That puts your low roll (105%) at 725 damage and your high roll (125%) at 863. Well done weegee, we’ll done.

[stuck acorn]

hmm maybe it's counted little bit different? or just it adds up 15% on average so it means that only rolls are buffed

@distant river ok, as i thought

but still it's ridiculously usefull consumable and it should be removed

[distant river]

The 115% is the new mean damage, the 105-125 are the new min and maxed based off the original alpha, it's just one "buff" the consumable gives not both stacked on top of each other

[stuck acorn]

As i already played many battles in this tank, i can truly say that even if on test server you mostly encounter really good players, i'll never touch my VK 72 or E100 again after release of this tank. It will be just pointless. With improved gear oil + improved fuel it goes with speed comparable to E5 or even little faster, turret is impenetrable if you don't hit the coupola and gun except for aim time also seems great. If it won't get nerfed, it seems to become one of the greatest T10 heavies

@neon prawn well that's true, but WG doesn't care about realism in this game anymore so that's not something that any player will care about either when we have things like smasher or anni

680 + 15% = 782. That's a lot but not something horrificly strong @twin egret

[neon prawn]

I noticed that they are actually really irrealistic, even considering that the game isn't mean to be that. Tungsten shell should influence only AP because HE and HEAT don't work with kinetic energy, and APCR are actually already made of tungsten (tungsten carbide). Also other consumables like reactive armor and spall liner are fundamentally irrealistic but that's another story

@stuck acorn you are right but the fact that reactive armour reduce damage from kinetic projectiles only for a short time is simply annoyng to see.

[twin egret]

HE damage is going to be brutal

[thin ermine]

they actually buffed tungsten shells… unbelievable

@stuck acorn not what I mean,
Tungsten shells were originally 105-120% of alpha. Now theyre 105-125%. 2.5% average alpha increase.

[stuck acorn]

not really. look at messgaes above, that was simple mistake

[full token]

Yeah just a typo from whoever typed out the post

[dense oyster]

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[safe rapids]

Yes agreed saw some videos of open test and it’s nuts how broken they are with the stupid tungsten shells and speed provisions. They’ve better get nerfed or else I don’t want the TANKS being nerfed on release because the CONSUMABLES are really the problem. Especially since I rly want to play these tanks.

[winged barn]

Don't worry, weegee has tripled down on tanks being the problem, not consumables

[safe rapids]

Lol, and pro players going to be abusing the consumables when the tanks drop and WG, in their almighty power, will claim the tanks and not the game breaking balance killing consumables are the problem. Personally WG can add them only if they’re nerfed or better yet removed. @lusty silo If you can, relay this to WG that the consumables are a bad idea and if they are to be implemented, nerf the Gear Oil and Improved Gear Oil to add +1.5 and +2.5 kph to speed, respectively. Nerf the engine power of them too. As for Tungsten Shells, nerf the duration to 15 seconds, cool down to 100-120 seconds, and alpha spread to 100%-115%. They are going to be abused and break the game in their current state, mark my words.

[dense oyster]

No need for High End Provisions (sand bag armour etc) and High End Consumables Because the Fv215B, Kranvagn, and T110E5 all have them and were subsequently all nerfed! Take them away WG please! 👍
Otherwise since most Grille 15 have the Spall Liner mounted. I could argue to bring back Foch's 155mm high alpha (albeit with a longer reload) since it cannot 2-shot a Grille 15 with HE!
@thin ermine so True Mate 💯
@safe rapids especially since WG nerfed the Enhanced Engine Boost consumable on the Kranvagn and the T110E5 and are now giving it to the Polish Heavys in the form of Gear Oil?????

[dark pike]

wow these super consumables are amazingly unbalanced, thanks wg balancing department

[mint void]

Wait, WTF, is this real? Do Tungsten shells not just increase rolling from 75/120 -> 105/120, but also increase shell base damage 15% before the rolling is calculated? Is this fake? It seems like that can't be real on a 600 alpha gun like the 60TP's....

[real tide]

no, it only increases chance to high roll

[hearty steeple]

^ this. What it does is reduces the alpha spread to +/- 10% from +/-25% and centers the spread at 115% the original alpha. In other words, it guarantees a high roll for your original alpha

[ivory quiver]

bro I love the vk 72, its so much better than the e100...the armor profile is troll too

[nimble zodiac]

It's definitely not so much better

[twin egret]

I learned that the FV4005's turret is fully traversable...
But the gun (the 183.. one) could only fire from the front and sides...
The FV4005 has a 123mm in blitz
What if they give FV4005 a fully traversible turret?

[nimble zodiac]

What if they gave FV4005 more gun elevation than gun depression like every other tank? 😳

[formal perch]

me too bro... the front armor is good but easy pen by premium shells ... the sides are paper tbh (not saying HE magnet :/ ) but weak af. This tank need an accuracy and reload time buff thats what am saying. Comparing to other tier X tanks , this tank is always ignored. idk why WG is always interested in buffing US and EU tanks :/

[ivory quiver]

I think it’s gun is phenomenal…I’ve hit some stupid shots using it. I think maybe your equipment could be the reason you struggle with hitting tanks. Perhaps it’s ignored because playing tanks like the is4 or e5 or yoh require less of a skill cap, but I’m fairly sure that a lot of great players love it a lot.

[formal perch]

sometimes crazy shots connects luckily. I played about 700 battles in the tank with 2.2k avg dmg ( not unicum ik :/ )
but I do use all equipments and consumables correctly. My point is just the reload should be a little bit faster like 15 seconds, as the e100 has 14.5seconds.
also u might consider the JagPze100 which has 15 seconds reload with crazy pen ( tho its a TD but its close to a HT )
so vk72 is normally inferior to these tanks :/

and the reason why people dont play this tank very often is because of the long reload, bad accuracy and weak side armor , they choose the e100 instead :/

[ivory quiver]

E100 has to fire heat to pen u (or aim for eternity at that thin bar with AP) if u poke with your front whereas you can fire ap without too much aim. Unlike an e100 u have enough armor frontally to make the enemies fire gold to guarantee their pen (which means they’re losing their dpm). The jag doesn’t have a turret and even if it tries to side scrape the obnoxious superstructure has those two side weaknesses that you can easily pen with gold. The jag is less situationally flexible as well tbf. The 72 is a phenomenal tank that performs if u put it in the right situation (just like any other tank). If the reload is too long for you to get out 3k dmg in a game, put yourself in a area which allows u to keep firing consistently. The reason ppl like the e100 more is because the grind has a lot more famous tanks and ones that are a lot more enjoyable to grind than the ones u need to grind for the vk (ex. Tiger II > VK 45.02 A).

[formal perch]

fully agree brother , but the accuracy is bad u gotta agree :/
most of the time the shells land nowhere even if waited for the aiming circle to shrink fully

[dreamy oar]

I like the idea of the tungsten shells but in practical practice; it’s a HORRIBLE IDEA. Honestly it should have been a consumable that replaces cali shells when WG redid equipment but it only applies to AP and APCR since tungsten is used for tank ammo (expect in the Abrams as the use depleted uranium)
Speaking of things that don’t belong, I really want WG to give the tiger 2 the E 50 t9 88mm gun. I really love using yhe 88 on the tiger gun. It’s like a pew pew gun but it’s does more damage than a t6 gun

[formal perch]

u might also say that the AP Penetration on E50 should be increased coz 220 mm pen on a tier 9 tank doesn't make any sense :/
u cant do anything to tanks like Maus , is4 or even some tier 9/10 Mts :/

[dreamy oar]

I mean most t9 meds kind of pen of around that number look the m46 and the t 55. If anything the damage should be increase from 220 to 240.

[dreamy oar]

Also nerf chimera and remove op consumables from premium and collector tanks

[formal perch]

no point increasing damage if u cant pen :/

[leaden flare]

Prammo exists ?
Use prammo to pen tanks it's not that hard

[twin egret]

No, no more elevation, it is a balancing factor innit of itself imo lol

[unique scaffold]

Can you explain why STG is OP?

[unique scaffold]

Yeah its easy to lose DPM

[pallid nest]

Yeah, right. Because only pro players will have access to those consumables to "abuse"... Smort

[sharp saddle]

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[gleaming apex]

KUBI#8622 was banned

[mental pasture]

Blessed be the lack of awareness of WG. They are going to need another revolt at the levels of the "ATGM civil war" in order to understand that OP consumables are not the way to balance the game.

[dark pike]

polish line is broken

[safe rapids]

The tanks are fine, the CONSUMABLES are broken.

[golden turret]

It’s the consumables that are making them broken and the 50TP Prototyp which is already a pretty good tank will also be getting those consumables so it makes it broken

[mental pasture]

The only thing I'd change in polish heavies would be in 60tp, when compared to E100, it should have been a tank with the minimal 152mm alpha but faster reload.

But in fact, the main problem of the line are the consumables

[scarlet fjord]

WG fix the broken reverse speed bonus on 60TP is cracked
and make it so that the tungsten shells increase your reload so that your DPM doesnt get improved so that it balances ur alpha bonus
cuz its basically an adrenaline that buffs your alpha for 20 seconds how is that balanced

[unique scaffold]

when someone does 0 damage and no kills, instead of not giving rewards ban for 10 minutes, its so annoying when you have someone in your team and doesnt do any damage at all and you match with him again the very next battle. no rewards is just not gonna do anything

[scarlet fjord]

The no rewards feature only cured us of the disease called "AFK farmers" the ppl that dont even attempt to think how to do their average damage per shot u cant fix that with no rewards but if u give him a game ban for 10 minutes that's annoying and hopefully that will cause some of the players to just stop and open youtube to see why they are struggling
at least i tend to open youtube if I'm struggling on certain things

[unique scaffold]

wait so you agree or not, also as you are waiting for the 10 minutes to pass, you can easily watch a wargaming video

[stuck acorn]

That's a great idea, but only if player doesn't get ammoracked. Because when yiou get ammorekt for full, you don't even usually have any time to do aything

[scarlet fjord]

I always like to say if u get ammo racked and do 0 damage its probably your fault but i guess it would be too harsh for a not so great player i guess u can make that as a saving grace

[stuck acorn]

no, i agree that for doing 0 you should get banned for 5-10 mins, but sometimes you just peek around corner and get ammorekt. you can do nothing about that. it sometimes happen to everybody and getting banned for that would be just annoying. Btw i have nearly 30 000 games, all T10 researched and over 56% wr so i think i have at least some knowledge about this game

[scarlet fjord]

i still think that its just a human error to get ammo racked with 0 dmg but u can let it slide since its like 1 game in a thousand

[stuck acorn]

as i said even if it's 1 game in 1000 or even 10 000 if you are a good player it's still annyoing to get banned for 10 minutes just because of rng, but wargaming definetly can make a system that would check if you got killed by ammorack so idea itself is great

[exotic goblet]

so u peak a corner, wanting to trade shots with the other tank because you have a higher alpha, but just as you were going to shoot, the enemy shot first by milliseconds, and u got ammoracked, is it really your fault?

[versed tide]

What tank has the ammorack in the front of the turret

[tight smelt]

Xdddddddddd

[scarlet fjord]

lets take a simple example IS-7
if you pull out completely sideways or angling ur pike nose to an extreme and he shoots at your ammo rack you have a chance to blow up
but if you do it in a certain way that u angle the area where u ammo rack is located to be completely red he cant ammo rack you now can he? he'll most likely just shoot your lower plate and pen

[remote oriole]

Lol, I too always drive in a way so that my ammorack is covered from all possible attack angles, because I really like playing it safe

[exotic goblet]

lmao, I too can predict where exactly each tank are on the enemy team before being spotted and able to hide my spike completely, not to mention the only tank i drive is the is7

[scarlet fjord]

those scenarios are 1 in a million idk why we are even arguing
I still think its your fault though xd

[unique scaffold]

dont take is7 how simple

[queen summit]

i love that in several of the past updates the 183 is literally BELOW the 55% wr from 55-65% gamers
they even scale the charts so it doesnt look bad
@mental pasture fix the armor on the hull to match the 215b... its literally the same chassis

[mental pasture]

183 is a tank that cannot be balanced.
If you buff it, it's going to be even more game-breaking and anger people.
If you nerf it, it's going to be even worse than it's current situation, will also anger people.
If you re-work the game-breaking factor, it'll lose it's point on the game. Even more people will be angered.

Same chassis =/= same armor, check Tiger 2 and Jagdtiger.

[sharp saddle]

It’s fine how it is really.
It got nerfed significantly and is one of the worse tier tens, but is still highly played. People play it for the novelty of the high alpha and the fun that brings rather than actually wanting to win games with it

[queen summit]

if its fine, then why has it never been 2nd worst tier 10 (or better) according to the info that WG collects?

[winged barn]

Considering it being a bad tank is not discouraging people from playing it (its #2) and it's not completely destroying the matches its in, I would call it fine as is

[queen summit]

amount of games doesn't show a tank being good or bad. plus if you go off that, it is still below 50%
all the other tanks on the list were buffed/new/similar tanks nerfed
i want it to be better yes, t10 is boring where lights can push way too hard and not get punished, the 183 cant do much at range, and has no camo or spotting
@mental pasture you literally sent like a hundred messages of you opinion. plus i gave you proof that you AGREED was possible

@winged barn what if you buffed the armor? the hull is butter to tier 6 tanks

[nimble zodiac]

It's fun, and that's why it's considered fine

You want 183 to be better?

The 183 can do quite a bit at range 😂

[mental pasture]

Bob and I just had an argument about why 183 is broken. He used Perma tracking as an example. I answered "it's not possible to perma-track someone if there's a team giving support to this one". He stated that it's possible to perma-track two players in a row with AT15. I asked for proof. He blocked me.

In fact, this guy wants to prove at any cost (even if this cost are the fact or the truth) that 183 deserves a buff, but all the proof he shows are the stats of 183 being under 55%

Shall I make a print and post here? I agreed that it was possible in paper. Being possible in paper don't mean it's possible in practice at normal conditions. If you believe so much that it's possible even in practice, why don't you show me this practice? @queen summit

[winged barn]

People literally spam the tank.

The tank does not break matches

Buff the tank and it will break matches.

But hey, I guess the community wants a tier 10 smasher

[mental pasture]

"T10 is boring where lights can push way too hard and not get punished", as if heavy tanks, 152mm and 170mm guns didn't exist in blitz. This guy don't a balanced 183, he wants a tank that is totally capable of removing 3/4 of a tank's HP and also work above average in the matches.
There's tanks meant to be very good and tanks meant to be funny (sometimes only for the player, like KV-2, Annihilator, Smasher and 183). A tank don't need to be totally capable of doing great in a battle to be funny, and neither needs to be funny in order to be effective.

The conversation is done here, there's nothing else to add that would change it. At least I am done here.

[pallid nest]

You just had to go ahead and nerf Panther, cuz why not murder fun, am I right?
Thanks wg -.-
Also, t57 heavy turret is much trashier after model change. Buff armor on 8.4 turret

[mental pasture]

Well, in fact Panther is an overcooked tank due to an unnecessary armor buff. I don't mind undoing it.

[nimble zodiac]

The turret got more effective ._.

[jagged crescent]

It's getter a better hull as well

[leaden flare]

still waiting for waffle to finally get hit with the nerf hammer

[dark pike]

why in bloody hell did 60tp get a speed buff?

[pallid nest]

@nimble zodiac armor inspector in blitzhangar shows the turret to have significantly less armor everywhere vompared to the current one

[wind bough]

Curious, the 8.4 preview shows the panther II armor being nerfed. Besides its gun the armor is the only thing it has going for it. It currently has an 45% WR GLOBALLY making statistically one of the worst tier 8 mediums… Is this going to really happen or was this a mistake?

[full token]

It’s the Panther 1 that got the nerf in open test

[twin egret]

I think you misidentified the Pather I for the Panther II lol

[remote oriole]

I only see the Panther armour being nerfed, which I believe to be a good call. The T57 Heavy hull armour buff (hull front) is probably largely off-set by the turret armour nerf so that will probably play put fine. And it seems like WG follows the ‚nerf shell velocity‘ doctrine with the 60TP 👀

[wind bough]

Well if that’s the case then fine.
I was looking here

https://blitzhangar.com/en/update/8-4-preview

So I’m going to assume that it’s not always accurate from now on

[scenic stone]

That link quite clearly states VII Panther as in tier 7 panther 1.

[wind bough]

I misread that, I apologize

[nocturne mauve]

Imagine talking about a panther 😂

#WorldOfHeaviesBlitz

[safe rapids]

Shame it’s getting nerfed, the Panther really prepares you for the E50 M playstyle. I would have nerfed it as well but the upper hull should only be 95-100 mm not 114, and the turret 160 mm (currently 168). I just feel WG nerfed it too hard and it’s just gonna be a big punching bag again. It’ll most likely go into the game anyway. Also shows we need tier 7 balance charts. What I don’t want going into the game is the speed buff for the 60TP. 42kph? The things a super heavy! AND it gets all the stupid consumables. Suddenly the Yoh looks balanced. Kinda pissed off because I don’t want WG to nerf the 60TP in future because the consumables are the problem…

[full token]

It’s still just an open test change, not the release version

[winged barn]

List of tier 7s that need nerfs:

Panther

[leaden flare]

thx

[versed tide]

You only get 42 after wasting two provision slots and you won’t reach that top speed and is4 literally has 42 top speed with better acceleration. Realistically you would only have 40 top speed because it’s stupid to run double gear oil

My suggestion to balance out tungsten shells would be to make a nerfed adrenaline for 60tp or remove it all together. I don’t think tungsten shells are a bad idea just need to balanced out

[nocturne mauve]

As if heavies didn’t already have stupid advantages such as those backup tracks and dumb HP, why do heavies receive all this stuff when they’re already the best class

[full token]

8.4 gives two Heavies pbr treatment too

[mental pasture]

Panther since the unnecessary armor buff needed it's armor change to be undone at least slightly. If you're a medium seeing a Panther, you'll see a whole red hull, meanwhile if you see an E50M only half of it is actually red in therms of hull. I'm ok with the nerf.

Wait, only Panther got nerfs? bruh

[winged barn]

But again
List of tier 7s that need nerfs:

Panther

...

...

Best list I've ever seen

[remote oriole]

Well, you have to start somewhere

[modest zodiac]

All I understood was buff the Tortoise and AT-7 armour.

[cursive schooner]

Anni??
Smasher???
duuude what u smoking

[quasi axle]

Pssst
That was the point

[leaden flare]

imagine not getting the joke smh of the very obvious list

[winged barn]

Is the panther strong? Yes
Does it deserve a nerf? Maybe

But does it deserve a nerf before far more problematic tanks? Hell no

[drowsy plaza]

Panther only needs a nerf because it’s a balanced medium in that tier, it just shows out all the other mediums are sucking hind teat.

[leaden flare]

its still getting limited by its size and gund depression afaik

[hollow tundra]

I honestly don't understand why the 215b was nerfed, it was balanced

[quasi axle]

to prevent it from becoming meta again

[hollow tundra]

Why would it become meta when things like yoh or kran exist, plus the is7 buff makes it more of a meta option in my opinion

[quasi axle]

because wg nerfed most of the meta heavies and 215b would do better in a lighter meta, so wg thought if it was left as is it would be meta again

[drowsy plaza]

The nerf on it and the E5 didn’t balance them, they made them irrelevant

[hearty dust]

50tp needs a nerf; it has good armor and good gun, but is wayyyy too maneuverable for a heavy with that much hp; even know i know wg will probably never nerf, im still complaining

[thorn iron]

Nah the event was too easy imo

[versed tide]

if you have a good toonmate and you are good bia's rack up pretty quickly

[torn dove]

Asia server is so bad

[nimble zodiac]

This isn’t the channel for it though 🤔

[exotic goblet]

ahh yes, great tank balance suggestion

[uneven narwhal]

Lets talk about the 60TP....

[slim harness]

ok

[golden turret]

I beg to differ with the E5

[minor minnow]

I don’t. They nerfed what it had going for it: mobility and dpm. The E5 was a little overcooked but with the nerf to the speed boost I feel like it would have been just fine.

[hollow tundra]

E5 looks much harder to play and I completely agree with the 215b, now the 183 isn't the "worst" tier 10

[remote oriole]

The E5 had that nerf coming in hot and I don‘t feel sorry one bit. Even without the consumables it was too strong, and even if the nerf took it a bit further than just making it balanced I believe it was a good move while having in mind that WG wanted to get rid of the jack-of-all-trades heavies

[fossil harbor]

To answer Gojira when he asked for evidence the games rigged in the news discussion Chanel, I have plenty of evidence of wargaming giving their employees better rng…I’ve been perma banned from the forum because of it…PM me if you want proof, I can’t answer him there…seems to be a convenient glitch lol 😂

[minor minnow]

Crazy how you DM’d me first but can’t talk to me about proper evidence. Regardless, this isn’t the time nor place to talk about it. My DM’s are open, feel free to send me your “evidence” there

[fossil harbor]

Our discussions as ended o the aforementioned Chanel…

[fossil harbor]

Sent it…

[rare sleet]

Go write a paper on this evidence, be sure its at least 10 pages long to prove you have substantial evidence and then maybe people will buy into your claims.

[full token]

Like the WG employees play that much that their ‘special mm’ will affect others noticeably if it even exists

[exotic goblet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
This proves your argument wrong

[uneven narwhal]

I've memorized that bloody link still clicked on it like an idiot

[gleaming apex]

safrilhg#1551 was muted

strummer#8199 was muted

[sudden granite]

<@&481447501690568709> free nitro for you again
Such generous people

[gleaming apex]

ozzi#1686 was banned

[dense oyster]

⬆️ ⬆️ ⬆️ ⬆️ ⬆️ ⬆️ ⬆️ 👉 👍

[nocturne mauve]

Haha and the fact they’re on HEAVIES

[last shadow]

Balancing something the traditional way is too hard
Making something slightly worse than average and then putting stupid gimmicks on it is easier
-wargaming, probably

[nocturne mauve]

Actually heavies inherit all the good qualities apart from mobility but that doesn’t matter because this game has small maps

[leaden flare]

<@&481447501690568709> free nitro for ya

[gleaming apex]

ajithvishwakumar#0776 was banned

[cursive schooner]

It’s a good song wdym

[gleaming apex]

Hana Nee-sama#1769 was banned

[twin egret]

When did this channel become #ban-discussion ?

[glossy escarp]

I guess the mods need some balancing because this amount of bans is not gud

[nocturne mauve]

This is proof of heavy dominance

[drowsy plaza]

FWIW Mediums give the same.

[jagged crescent]

You do know that you can get the same type of avatar from playing lights, tds, or meds.

[nocturne mauve]

What are those? Isn’t this game world of heavies blitz

[unique scaffold]

There are ones for other tank classes as well

[sand quest]

What does the light tank one look like?

[nimble zodiac]

The light tank symbol ._.

[unique scaffold]

its like the diagonal one without the slices

[leaden flare]

True skill is only shown by the triangle Avatar

[nocturne venture]

No that would be the square

[primal yacht]

It seems like the Average Damage per Shot of the Standard AP for the WZ-120-1FT may be a little low. It seems to me that I see a lot of 300+ rolls vs 400+ rolls. And then when I drive the Tier 7 SU-122-44 with the 122mm gun, I get rolls that seem to average higher. I could be wrong. It’s just my perception. No statistics here. LOL 😄

[last shadow]

Obviously skill RNG issues
Can't fix them

[haughty marsh]

Panther I armor getting nerfed by no less than 40 mm in 8.4 ?? seriously , when at T7 there are a bunch of Smashers, Annihilators running around WG decides to nerf the panther which you hardly even see on the battlefield .... good logical choice ``

[quick lichen]

It appears you are correct

[drowsy plaza]

Even more ‘odd’ about the Panther I nerf. https://blitzanalysiz.com/update/8.2/tanks/7/

It doesn’t even register as a high performing tier 7 or tier 7 med. Just a high performing tier 7 tech tree med (which is the lowest performing class).

The T-34-1 scores higher. But apparently it’s still ‘newish’ (I guess) so let’s ignore that.

[mental pasture]

Tbh, Panther 1 really deserved the nerf, but that's one of the lowest priorities of the tier 7 nerfs as there's way more virulent problems

[unique scaffold]

Every op tier X i grind getting nerfed!!!😑
Congratulations wargaming

[nimble zodiac]

OP things are getting nerfed? Oh don't be surprised =)

[mental pasture]

I'm going to complain because WG nerfed my favorite over powered tank, but when someone says the obvious, I'll answer his statement with a poop emoji

[real bison]

the only real hard hit one is the 215B, they kinda took the thing that made it special

E5 still has all its stuff, it and the IS-4 still retain 340 base HEAT pen, Maus still has the thickest plates in the game, and Kran still has the thickest turret in game

gonna resell it soon

@unique scaffold can we get an actual source?

[unique scaffold]

@mental pasture thats wasn't revelant answer....
Smashers and annihilators arent getting nerfed coz they provide most income to the company ... all they care is money not the player base...

Me grinded kranvagn, sheridan, fv215b, t110e5, is4 all got nerfed but not a single action was taken on OP and most selling premiums
@real bison yes kinda agree but the traverse feels bad now

@unique scaffold i heard they're gonna resell it soon

@real bison i saw it somewhere if I find out Ill provide here for sure

@unique scaffold yes primary income crates secondary income OP premiums in crates and discounted deals every week ... smart move😎

[unique scaffold]

The most income…. When was the last time the Anni was up for sale?

The smasher has been offered in crates a few times but to the best of my knowledge the Anni hasn’t been sold since it was part of the battle pass for Halloween last year.

And then it was like 5 bucks.

I’m sure they will around Halloween. My point is that you can’t say a tank that has been sold once is the primary source of income for Wargaming. That isn’t how it works 🤣

[mental pasture]

I see that the fact of it being the primary source of money or not is an irrelevant detail. They don't nerf it because at some point it was sold for real money.

[unique scaffold]

I'M disappointed after my comeback to the game after 8 months and saw 3 tanks nerfed... now i feel like I am obsessed with the game ..... no point of grinding newer tech trees now..... coz who knows what will happen nxt

@nimble zodiac Not even single word of yours are revelant bro ... you dont understand me ... nerfing tech tree tanks is done but why not the OP premiums...

[nimble zodiac]

I like how you want the OP tanks, so you complain that they balance their tanks, in the channel where tank balance is discussed 👀

[distant river]

But... You want the op tanks that you had to stay? So you do want op tanks... But you also say you want op tanks to be nerfed...

Maybe try making up your mind :/

[unique scaffold]

I was disappointed coz every tanks in tier x i grinded which was OP before got nerfed why not the premiums.... dude just read above
@real bison still good as they didn't nerfed every aspect..

@mental pasture yeah smasher and anni needed to be nerfed

[real bison]

and then you say that you agree when I say that they still are good?????

[mental pasture]

Regardless of being premium or not, op tanks shall be nerfed.

[distant river]

So do you want op tanks or not? You can't say "I want op tanks but only the ones I own"

You can either have overperforming tanks nerfed, like the ones you had. And you can then call for prems to be nerfed as wel.

Or you can say that you want op tanks, and then you can cry about balance changes that help the game whether they are about prems or not.

If you want to pick and choose from both parts, then you are contradicting yourself and adding very very little to the channel.

[remote oriole]

Just nerf all tanks to one hp, this will make high alpha guns or auto-cannons useless

[nimble zodiac]

Churchill I stock gun meta?

[drowsy plaza]

Yes and no, the better move would be to buff a lot of tier 7 and 8 meds. Not nerf the Panther. It’s not over performing for the majority of players.

[drowsy plaza]

Should.

[mental pasture]

Stock AT-7 too OP

[wicked quest]

Should add onto this they for some reason felt to add a PBR skin to the M2 Stuart despite them purposely redoing the low tier models to have emblems and insignias on them…

[uneven narwhal]

Wathunder moment
HE Splash, back to garage ggez

[ornate shuttle]

even if it had same dpm, 215b would NEVER get meta. it would have barely more dpm than Yoh, with WAY less gun depression, no clip and worse hull, its just not a meta tank for cw and it NEVER was, except for a brief period when it was the ONLY tank with broken consumables, and it already had very high hp (before heavies hp buff, in which fv got hp nerf xD) , so with provisions it reached Maus HP pool, combined with reactive armor, High dpm and accurate tank, insane speed on the boost, and amazing traverse even without boost, making it the best killing machine.
But After that period? it was just an amazing dmg dealer HT, in cw you would ever need 1 of it sitting back, or maybe use wz113 or something else.
then they nerfed its dpm too, making it absolutely useless for the only role it could ve had in cw, since 2800 dpm is very very bad for a dmg dealer, just pick a 3shells Yoh and you get 3100+, no point of existing for 215b.

[full token]

That may just be a lack of time to give another high tier tank PBR

[unique scaffold]

what happened to the second gun of the T-34? It can penetrate nothing anymore, not even the sides of an VK 3601 or the front of another T-34

[deep oasis]

Wouldn't it be great if the Annihilator had 6 shells, half the alpha, and the same time between its shots? Or just terrible handling.

[wicked quest]

The t34 couldn’t pen much anyway also the vk 36 got buffed

[mental pasture]

If overpressure was implemented correctly, it would be perfectly accurate. During WW2, SU/ISU 152 were able to pop out the turret from a Tiger 1 just with a side shot from a HE shell. Sad thing for the Wehraboos

[twin egret]

Rip alt T-34 guns

[mental pasture]

So... what's the change?

[twin egret]

They added a 250mm circle

[remote oriole]

Lol

You can see it on the roof

[mental pasture]

@twin egret @remote orioleSo... Why the change?

[twin egret]

Ask wargaming not me

[nimble zodiac]

Nerf D1, it's too fun and overpowered 🤪

It drives and turns so fast and the gun hits like a truck with a super fast reload too. The armor is unstoppable, couldn't expect to pen with a tier 3.
Really wish it had more gun depression though

[jagged crescent]

why does the 60tp have 42kmph top speed 😐

[minor minnow]

Why not l?

[versed tide]

36 base if you run double gear oil your also a dum a

[jagged crescent]

what the cringe

[versed tide]

I mean dum a as in if you run double gear oil not directed towards you @jagged crescent, if that was miscommunicated

[winged barn]

Yes. But running big gear oil is not

[versed tide]

Would be lowered to 40 in that case

[stuck acorn]

and with gear oil and fuel you can go up to 46. On a SUPER HEAVY XD, perfectly balanced as everything should be

[nimble zodiac]

It weighs less than an IS-7, no way it's a super heavy

[winged barn]

Other than the is7 basically being a super heavy, sure

Its armor isn't exactly what you call thin

[stuck acorn]

60TP if we skip the weight is typical super heavy, base on armor, huge gun and it was meant to be slow. At the start it was meant to go 32 km/h not 46

[nimble zodiac]

Superheavy is based on weight, not armor 😐

Can't just trot around throwing that phrase on a BDR G1 B and stuff because it can bounce shells

[stiff edge]

i’d say a superheavy its classed by armour, weight, and hp
but mainly weight ofc, because a super heavy is “super heavy”
ah yes inglish

[nimble zodiac]

You can say "Armor like a superheavy", but you can't call heavies with good armor superheavies, it just gaps mediums and superheavies

<@&481447501690568709> free Nitro lol
Enemy down.

[gleaming apex]

Stayan#2240 was banned

[golden turret]

Premiums don’t get nerfed because people paid for them. Accept it. A lot of people already have

[winged barn]

If you go by weight, what is the e50m? Fatton?

And the t95 (a genuine superheavy tank) comes in at 85 tons
The is7 really isn't that far off

[nimble zodiac]

I don’t really like the whole classification thing anyways, it generalizes how you should play tanks, which isn’t good

[stiff edge]

blitz’s superheavies, imo, are the four german heavies, jageru, e3, badger, and maybe kran/yoh
at least for tX

[versed tide]

Wait it’s getting a base top speed buff

[cursive schooner]

What about buffed is7? If you count Kran then it all day long

[stiff edge]

i wouldnt count is7
it has speed, and its got meh hull armour
the reason i said kran is because of its pre-nerf hp and its turret armour, the best in the game

[sudden granite]

E3/badger/yoh are too fast to be qualified as superheavies
I wouldnt call the kran a superheavy either
With superheavies I only mean the maus, e100 and jageroo
I used to call the is4 superheavy but since the hp nerf it doesnt fit that role that well anymore (was only talking about tX btw)

[nimble zodiac]

Mauschen, VK 100, VK 168, KV-5, KV-4 I guess, Lowe I guess, Gravedigger, and TOG II* are superheavies to me

From the top of my head anyways

[stiff edge]

e3 and badger have some if the thickest armour in the game
they’re called superheavy tds for a reason
i only put yoh and kran if you put extreme emphasis on very particular parts of the armour
yoh i probably shouldnt of put, but i put it just because its the most balanced tank ever and has some stupidly troll armour
is4 is still very much a superheavy
with its insane armour and still decently good hp
its armour is just too good for a normal “heavy”

[mental pasture]

Honestly, that's an interesting concept worth to be discussed, the could exist factors that confirm if the tank is a super heavy or not, and even add a few exceptions if it makes sense, for example;
If we count Yoh and Kran as super heavies because they have massive numbers in a certain area of the armor, wouldn't also every hull down heavy also become a super heavy? What's the difference between Kranvagn armor effectiveness and T32 armor effectiveness? Even if T32 have an undeniably great armor, I wouldn't considere it's impenetrable turret enough to call it as a super heavy.
Even tho, the concept of super heavy by "armor concentration in a certain area" can be explored; M6 EXP is an example

You mean just weight? Well, this number don't always makes sense in the tanks @fluid topaz

[fluid topaz]

I believe weight is what considers a super heavy to be.....super heavy
@mental pasture not just weight, gun matters too but I haven't seen anyone bring weight up in the discussion yet

[mental pasture]

Well, if the matter is the weight then sometimes you can see some flaws, like IS-4 having a real high armor but being lighter than E50M, TOG II and M6 EXP, even 2 almost times lighter than VK 72
Even tho it's fair to consider IS-4 a super heavy, but not E50M

If the matter is the gun, then the things get way more complicated

[stiff edge]

183 super heavy when

[mental pasture]

Would be interesting if WG officially stated what makes a super heavy, for example:
"Any of the following must be true;

• The tank, when compared to the average average penetration of it's tier, must have at least X% of it's armor impenetrable by normal shells
• The tank must have X% more weight than the average weight of the tier
• The tank must have X% bigger HP than the average HP of the tier
• The tank must have a max speed/average speed equal or slower than X Km/h"

[quasi axle]

What's the point though

[mental pasture]

What do you mean? @quasi axle

[orchid grove]

The only factor for the definition of a “super heavy” IMO is just weight

If it weighs over 80-85 tons, it’s a super heavy. Otherwise it isn’t. Armor/gun/mobility/HP has nothing to do with it

[minor minnow]

I’ve always put armor ahead of weight when classifying superheavies, at least in game. Weight will always determine a superheavy or not historically because well, super and heavy

[orchid grove]

Armor has nothing to do with whether a tank is a super heavy or not. It’s too hard to measure and compare reliably with what people would agree as a “super heavy”

Take the T32 vs the KV-5 for instance. T32 clearly has better armor and even a lower speed limit than the KV-5. Heck, if you factor in provisions, it even has more HP than a KV-5. However, no one would consider T32 to be a “superheavy” while KV-5 very clearly is a superheavy. Why? Simply because the KV-5 is a 100t tank and T32 is 57t. Weight is the only determining factor for the definition of a superheavy. Period

[mental pasture]

Same. Well, now I know that the meaning of a superheavy tank is literally super heavy, not super tank with high armor

[nimble zodiac]

Well, as long as it includes TOG II* =)

[hushed nest]

👍

[fluid topaz]

@orchid grove preach 🙏 🙏

[dense oyster]

This is the Weakspot on the old pre-PBR E100 and they finally are buffing it.

[nimble zodiac]

It was never it's own weakspot

It was part of the 150mm bar on top of the turret, the port itself has no hitbox

[dense oyster]

not really a weakspot. but more of a shoot-at-this-cause-it -looks-weak-weakspot
😃

[fluid topaz]

if thats a weak spot then hell try to shoot the little dongle u see there on the hull face

[minor minnow]

You mean the spotlight that doesn’t even count as armor?

[fluid topaz]

yea
I didnt even know that the viewport even had a hitbox
which the above people say it doesnt

[nimble zodiac]

They will remove the turret face hole and majorly thicken the "viewport" area

[mental pasture]

Oh no... E100 will be soooooo op...... how can someone penetrate it now with this 500 centimetre buff?

[fluid topaz]

Hey at least German has tanks in game
Can't say the same for Brazil

[mental pasture]

Touché, my fellow NA player. Brazilian tanks are indeed on the game. We've bough several units of M41 Bulldogs during our dictatorial regime. Check-mate.

[fluid topaz]

Squints so apparently Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Spain, Chile, Guatemale, Somolia, and New Zealand are also in the game too then

[safe rapids]

You do realize the overall turret thickness became worse with the transition to PBR. It lost about 10mm of effective armor.

[unique scaffold]

IRL super heavies are just ANY tank that weights a huge lot, but in our wotb game we dont care about this at all, A superheavy in wotb is ANY tank that fits super heavy playstyle, i.e. loads of thick armor plates, relatively meh speed, very good hull armors that are good at bouncing shells from different angles (and not only face on)
so imo tier X super heavies are E100, Maus, Vk90, IS-4, E3, JG e100 and badger.

something like a vk72 i would say is just an Assault heavy, because it can bounce only frontally, its the same as is7, just heavier

[scenic stone]

Very good all around armor and higher than average HP is what I'd class as a super heavy.
Things that can be mostly exposed but still be hard to kill.

So Kran definitely isn't a super heavy because it only has armor on the turret front. I'd even argue that E3 isn't a super heavy because of the lower plate and terrible side while Badger is a super heavy since that lower plate is very strong and sides aren't paper.
I'd class TOG also as a super heavy not because of strong armor but because it has so much HP that it's still very hard to kill.

You just can't class tanks by it's weight in Blitz since armor and weight aren't dependent in the game.
Just look at Emil1, one of the most heavily armored T8 tanks that weighs 28t while a T44 medium that's a literal paper weighs 34t.

[unique scaffold]

i still wouldnt take just a few factors, its more like "a lot" of xx tank type traits, makes the tank go under this category, for example mk6 and t95e6 are clearly heaviums, while e5 and fv215b could be both heavy and heavium, but then there is is7 which has more armor and speed than both, which can be considered as heavy

[winged barn]

This muzzle brake hurts me

[nimble zodiac]

VK 168.01 P doesn't weigh over 6x the Emil I, not a superheavy 😤

[unique scaffold]

I hate that the Maus lost 150 Sp…😭

[quasi axle]

Oh no a tank received a totally reasonable balance change!!!

[stuck acorn]

maus had definetly too much HP, but accuaracy for me should be ;eft untouched. Still it's already too late for discussion on this topic

[dense oyster]

Maus was too strong and needed a slight nerf
likewise the IS4 needed a slight nerf.
Kranvagn was carrying too many battles even when it shouldn't have
now the IS-7 is stronger!!!
it is sad how aesthetically the Maus is no longer at 3000. but ah well....

[stuck acorn]

who cares?

[twin egret]

It's just 150 hp, chill

[crystal halo]

Because Germany built their own tanks

[crude terrace]

This new credit system kinda sucks

Tank repairs are like 10k now

[twin egret]

Don't be afk ig

[crude terrace]

But I'm not....

[twin egret]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ don't play tier 10 or 9?

[jagged crescent]

i wouldnt say jageru, e3, or badger. They just don't have the hp (and their armor isn't exactly all around thick). Also Kran > Yoh for hulldown superheavies because kran turret stronk

[foggy mesa]

buff t14 tier 5 premium tank and make it like sherman jumbo

[crystal halo]

But it’s not like the Sherman jumbo

[wicked quest]

I don’t know who thinks this is imbalanced or needs a change there is very little advantage for other devices Theres no issue and it’s fine

[nimble zodiac]

Um

[slow marten]

Question: When is number of Smashers in play gonna be fixed as annihilator is fixed? (another abused tank in play that neede to be balanced)

[quartz cove]

guys do you think they do something for 50tp credit earning?

[full token]

There might not be a large enough population of smashers to do it

[winged barn]

Funny joke

[distant river]

Blitzstars actually says that there are more players with the smasher than with the anni, although blitz analysiz says the opposite for the number of players, and that the total amount of battles fought by all players is about the same

[full token]

I don’t see enough reason to do it for the smasher. It’s op but compared to the Annihilator it’s not so game breaking

[distant river]

That moment your game is so balanced the smasher stops being game breaking 😂

I mean the same happened to the T22 really as well...

[uneven narwhal]

Just because something is better than you, does not mean you are not good at it

Literal same with Smasher, Anni is better yes, but it does not make the Smasher any less overpowered
Same goes for every other broken tank

[full token]

Put a T29 or some other op tank to match with Smashers. Should do the same effect

[wicked quest]

T29s gun sucks i dont get why people treat it like it’s unbeatable I tried it after buffs and still found it boring and inaccurate

[terse tinsel]

true the gun is so inaccurate

[last shadow]

The gun is as accurate as any Russian gun

fully aimed shooting at enemy 100m away = miss
snapshot the cupola of a superheavy that is literally on the other side of the map = hit

And that's the balancing factor for this thing?

[terse tinsel]

heable side armor, its op cus of the consumables and view range.

[quasi axle]

Armor profile moment

[full token]

Why would someone HE the sides unless you’ve made a mistake and are showing the sides instead of the front or going hulldown

[full token]

professional tour streams didnt have lockboxes last year. It was the blitz cup

[opaque sigil]

Buff the Fv215b please,its so bad

[orchid grove]

That DPM nerf was just completely uncalled for

[light ivy]

The 215b can't stand a chance now against an IS4 or any other heavy.
You just die from fire, or just get out dpm-ed. if it was supposed to have that bad armor, atleast it should've got some DPM.

[gleaming apex]

ᵒ̄ᵒ̈𝑺𝒉𝒆𝒓𝒊𝒅𝒂𝒏 𝒎𝒊𝒔𝒔𝒊𝒍𝒆ᵒ̄ᵒ̈#9180 has been warned.

vura#4422 was muted

[thick rover]

5A buff ples :)

[slow marten]

That seems to be true, when playing tier 6 there is "always" one smasher at game that unbalaces that match... if wg does not dare to fix the number of smashers in game they should make so that anni and smasher always do their battles at 7 or higher tier...

[empty nexus]

That’s actually smart: give smasher and Annhi -0/+1 mm Wouldn’t count as doing anything to the tank, so it’s legal, but would neutralize it’s threat! Brilliant

They will still be dangerous against Lightly armoured tanks, but since they will always be v T8 they will be more balanced than they are at the moment

[full token]

its legal if they nerf it too, as their own EULA lets them do it, but if its a tank they sell for money they become reluctant to nerf them

[empty nexus]

But technically Secretely preventing smasher and annhi from meeting T6 isn’t a nerf… and if someone complains it’s just unlucky mm until Someone puts the time and effort in Gathering data

[full token]

Someone did gather the data on the Annihilator Mm after they changed it

[remote oriole]

I mean, it was kind of obvious

[halcyon berry]

uh

[exotic ridge]

this system is broken, i played frontline but got obliterated from all sides cuz reds focused, i only had the time to try 2 shots but they missed
I WAS NOT AFK

[uneven narwhal]

Frontline in a 4k5 geez I wonder why you were on 0 damage
Also if you can't get even a single magazine out in an autoloader then u kinda deserve to get nothing tbh

[empty nexus]

100%. Bad play = no reward. You contributed 0 to the game, your fault, you got 0 Reward which is justified

[exotic ridge]

@empty nexus @uneven narwhal 1)the system is supposed to only punish afk, not noobs or bad luck in my case
2)you 2 didn t see the battle, you shut your mouth. when i play this frontline i am not stupid i know i am not a mous i let my heavies take dmg fot me and then i go and unlish my clip.
i tried to shoot but i am still not used ti the pc and i had not the best rng either, meanwhile my team got surrounded and 3 red focused me (i was not alone) and i died. what was i supposed to do?
camp in the back and get focused even sooner?
so now you to, if you are soo good you can judge me, tell me what i was supposed to do?

[real bison]

don’t frontline in the tank that actual pistol calibers can pen duh

when people have the choice between shooting an IS-4 and a FV4005, they shoot the FV4005

plus you have consumables that help you snipe, deal damage faster, and retreat faster

take your pick

The 4005’s advantages is the highest clip pot in the game, and it’s consumables

It traded armour, camo, and profile to gain advantages, but as stated above, gets consumables that allow to it do things.

It takes major skill to frontline in one of the worst armoured tanks in the game

[twin egret]

Iidkk mann, EU server problems

[wicked quest]

One you did literally no damage and missed two shots which counts towards resupply and to camo, provisions and ammo are resupplied every battle and automatically payed for second the system doesn’t “punish” anyone if you do bad or don’t do anything at all you’ll go negative in profits

Third who frontlines in a 4005?

[nimble zodiac]

How to FV4005: Stay in cover, pull out to fire, dip back into cover to reload, works for me 🐒

Precisely, I play other tanks too

[quasi axle]

sample size: 4
🐒

[terse tinsel]

he prolly let his guard down thinking the entire team flanked while they were all in the back camping. if that s the case i guess he should get at least the spotting exp.

[empty nexus]

@exotic ridge do literally what people are suggesting ^^^^

[real bison]

Rex both you and I know that frontlining in a lightly armoured, super tall turret having boi isn’t a bright idea

[exotic ridge]

that are my today stats, not amazing but it s arround ok

[full token]

He’s not entirely wrong. Bad play or not the system is intended to punish AFKs not bad players or bad matches. But with the poor performance he’d likely have lost credits anyway

[terse tinsel]

sometimes u drop ur guard when u get consecutive battles with bad enemies. he made a noobish mistake but he should get idk some spotting exp lol.

[nimble zodiac]

He's spotted 3 tanks over 9 battles today with FV4005

I assume that battle, he spotted nobody

[terse tinsel]

alright then i guess he wouldnt even deserve that little bit of exp in that case.

[tight jackal]

give smasher HESH

[distant river]

<@&481447501690568709> more free nitro for you guys

[mental pasture]

No damage = no chance to get credits, deal with it.

[nimble zodiac]

Check it out guys, an illiterate!

[mental pasture]

Player_incapable_of_reading pinned_messages#2718

[dull river]

K

[rare sleet]

the system assumed you afk cuz u did 0 damage therefore you got nothing. Lets just say no more fv4005 frontline for you

[slim trellis]

60tp should have 560 alpha and slightly more dpm than in the stats they showed. Vk72 will have no purpose in the new update with a 600 alpha 60tp, and tungsten shells consumable basically negates the difference between 560 and 640

[mental pasture]

^

[uneven narwhal]

The entire line should not have the Special Consumables and Provisions either but WG no like balance

[exotic ridge]

And what sould i do instead?
Is it to be afk if you move all game to stay with your team?

[crude terrace]

Teir 10 german credits system needs a fix. A perfectly good battle with the 128mm and why is the tank repair so expensive?

[remote oriole]

To be honest I think that‘s what you should be making while using provisions

[uneven narwhal]

1. Tier 10 isn't meant for credits
2. A 1400 dmg battle is farm from a "perfectly good battle" lmao
3. Wrong channel

[wicked quest]

If anything that’s generous he only lost 2K credits the fact he’s not even running camo or Provisions shows a hint

[crude terrace]

Battle pass camo

[drowsy plaza]

Doing less than 2k in damage in a tier X game should be an immediate 100k penalty - IMHO

[last shadow]

So on average 1-4 people pay 100k
Right

[uneven narwhal]

I hope ur joking

[remote oriole]

Such statements force me to question your seriousness

[sudden granite]

<@&481447501690568709> you want free discord nitro aswell?

[unique scaffold]

hello @lusty silo just my thoughts bout the fv215b heavy tank, i think it should receive an armor buff on the sides, or more he protection on the turret, it should do well to sidescrape because it does have a rear turret placement imo. it can do peek a boom too but its very slow reverse speed makes it a lot harder as well. and the he splash dmg vulnerability ruins its hulldown ability a lot too imo. or maybe a dmg incrase but tht wont be really usefull even with its increased reload so a few of the former would be best imo

[full token]

Having a rear turret doesn’t mean it needs to sidescrape. It’s just something a tank does when it has the side armor, not when it has a rear turret or anything.

[uneven narwhal]

Simple solution to fix the 215b is to remove the super consumables and buff its DPM and armor a bit
That way it cant go med mobility mode, nor can it take lesser damage because Reactive Armor

[rare sleet]

Great idea, people aren't playing tier X to make credits anyways

[remote oriole]

People don‘t play tier ten to waste away credits either. This idea is nothing short of elitist madness

[winged barn]

Nice, give tier 10 the population of tier 1-4

[uneven narwhal]

This discord never fails to surprise me

[versed tide]

I mean maybe there should be a system like war thunder with the their ranks of tanks, before you can move up to the next set of it would be tiers in wotb; so you need 3 tier 5s to get t6 and so on so forth just make the progression a bit slower and let new players have more time to learn. Before rushing into high tiers and failing miserably.

[bitter fjord]

Buff is 3 it is powercreeped

[mental pasture]

Buff hulldown abilities, it's not powercrept.

[quaint raptor]

Worst tier9 : vk4502b

[full token]

There’s worse

[safe rapids]

the Conqueror has entered the chat

[empty nexus]

Conqueror is insanely good. Such a good Gun

[full token]

Other than that it doesn’t offer much over other heavies

[exotic goblet]

m46 patton has entered the chat. Ahh yes, great gun it has, especially the pen, love it!

[unique scaffold]

Also remember this is a mobile game. Expecting every player to bring the mindset of someone who wants to win is simply asking too much. For every player who is aiming for a 70% WR there are ten who are just passing time. Sorry but the 14 year old who is playing blitz on his moms phone while she tries on lingerie in in the Target dressing room most likely doesn't have the want or desire to be a top player. He wants to roll around and shoot at tanks while he ponders who his next dad will be. Copy and paste ez

[safe rapids]

has great DPM. it's no Standard B or T-54, but it's not sucky. It's grown on me, tbh.

[terse tinsel]

leo pta worst t9 change my mind

[solid forge]

Can WG nerf the Black Prince? Here are reasons why they should nerf it: #1 The reload time is so quick, add damage to the mix and you have an OP tank. #2 The armor is too good, we cant even penetrate the sides from a slight angle

[drowsy plaza]

@unique scaffold maybe look at the context of my reply. Guy who did 1,400 dmg in an E 100 was complaining about credits in X

[full token]

Even with the context it’s extreme

[stuck acorn]

agreed. M46 is hot garbage. 218 pen on standard/265 on gold is horrific. even with calibrated it's not much + you get worse dpm. Add 0.38 accuaracy, bad armor and meh mobility to it and you recieve one of the most pointless tanks in the game

[empty nexus]

One of the few tanks that Can somewhat compete with annhi and smasher, nerfing Panther was a bad move as there weren’t even that many of them be even tho it’s a strong tank it’s not op

[toxic cove]

penetration zones should be removed to increase role of armor, its OP even compared to pre-nerf prammo

nice excuse lmao

[remote oriole]

You mean the hitskin should be removed? Just play realistic. I don‘t want to have to study hundreds of tanks just to know where I have to shoot

[mental pasture]

You can always go play WoT, WT or wait for the realistic mode. Penetration lights are an original mechanic of WoTB that has been with us since the beginning of the game.
If you're an experienced heavy player, you'll not need the penetration skins to be removed in order to block shots.

Indeed @quasi axle

[quasi axle]

Even wot has penetration indicators, just not hitskins

[remote oriole]

You call it an excuse but that‘s a legitimate reason. Do you think anyone would enjoy not having any input at all why he just randomly bounced off a tank? And having to go to third party websites to look at the hitskins and literally memorise them for a mobile game?

I‘m sorry, but you literally seek to handicap new players just to „increase the role of armour“

[mental pasture]

I love WT and realistic mode, but not in a level to desire that armor penetration hitskins get excluded from the game

It also makes the game a good way to train to play WOT, after all most of the weakspots still the same, the difference is that you can see them clearly here.

[drowsy plaza]

WT has pen effects - so you can also see what you did with a pen…. I often thought that WG should never have had the pen skin in tiers 8+, but when you look and see a lot of players / they can’t even figure it out with them, it would be a colossal disaster without them.

[mental pasture]

As a WT player with a few hundred hours of gameplay, I can confirm this. Every new heavy enemy is a whole new experience. In War Thunder we struggle to penetrate a simple Jumbo (which is fairly easy, all the player needs to do is shot an APHE in the hull MG), so I can't even think how dumb the average WOTB player would act in tier 10 without pen skins.

[unique scaffold]

i dont think dpm will be touched again, they just changed that lol.. also, an increased gun depression would be nice as it serves well in hilly terrain

[unique scaffold]

i can he pen it frontally whichis fun

[gleaming apex]

Leeman_Russ_talks_sht#3076 has been warned.

[nocturne mauve]

Imagine playing world of heavies blitz

[gleaming apex]

breadbuttrjam#3085 was muted

[golden turret]

Leo pta is actually pretty decent when you max it out. The worst tier 9 imo is the batchat 25 t ap. My reasoning is that 1. It has a bad stock grind. 2. It is an extremely difficult tank to play. 3. It leads up to another tank that’s difficult to play.

[quasi axle]

Difficult to play =/= bad

[nimble zodiac]

Only real nerds know it's !=

Java superiority

[remote oriole]

When it‘s actually ~=

[fossil aurora]

Type 61 is even worse

[quasi axle]

≠ better 😖

[nimble zodiac]

Centurion 7/1 better

[mental pasture]

T28 HTC better

[golden turret]

Still pretty fun tho

[leaden flare]

Disocrd hmmmmm🤔

[jagged crescent]

Type 61 is better

[quasi axle]

I like work_ethic

[jagged crescent]

I like you more

[versed tide]

I would argue the m46 is the worst

[orchid grove]

Nah, the worst is probably the Cent 7/1, or VK 45.02B

[uneven narwhal]

7/1 is fantastic wdym

[versed tide]

Vk I could understand but 7/1

[jagged crescent]

I’d say pta

[quasi axle]

Thank you work ethic!

[wicked quest]

Difference is atleast m46 has some form of protection and depression pta is none

[remote oriole]

May I respectfully refer you to the pinned messages? There you will find a message saying that complaining about MM or teams is prohibited here. I want to suggest that that is the reason why he received a penalty

[leaden flare]

No you may not😂

[exotic goblet]

u forgot the fantastic dispersion and pen the patton has tho

[nocturne mauve]

Haha imagine talking about an M46... when you can talk about heavies? What??

[full token]

Yes yes we know. Dont need to be telling us about it when we try to talk about any non-heavy

[nocturne mauve]

But it’s irrelevant because if you don’t play a heavy you’re already at a disadvantage

[full token]

People will still play other tank classes

[crystal halo]

Heavies are not everything

[versed tide]

I carry more in meds and lights than heavies @nocturne mauve is simply ignorant to the fact that other classes have been getting more relevant in the game. I didn’t say there were better did i?

[nocturne mauve]

No they aren’t lmao, mediums and lights are not better than heavies

Ok then, but on average, heavies are outperforming other classes

[fickle light]

I want WG to give IS-4 back it's 150HP, i mean what the point of nerfing it in the first place, it was good as how it is. The tank itself not even OP or anything:/

[sand wagon]

ah yes, is4 being meta for 2/3 years in a row "iT wAs GooD aS HoW iT iS"
it is still one of the top performing t10s even after he nerf

[fickle light]

I think it dont need nerf, that just my thought:/

[nocturne mauve]

Ewww, it’s still got too much HP

[leaden flare]

Has more DPM than e5 iirc and insane Armor for basically doing nothing

[sharp saddle]

Well it did need it. IS-4 has been dominant in tier ten for quite a while.
Considering how other heavies got nerfed, it didn’t take too much of a hit.
Though the recent buff of the IS-7 armour profile would have given players more reason to choose the IS-7 over an IS-4 now

[thick rover]

I just wished they distribute the nerf between turret and hull traverse 🧐

[uneven narwhal]

IS-4 still maintains its gun, speed, and armor
While yes, the 150 HP might have been a little drawback, its still a very good tank

[silk hamlet]

150 isnt that much its still really strong

[bitter fjord]

@jagged crescent twerk ethic

[sudden path]

Meh cent 71 is kinda garbage but there's no way the leo pta is not worse
Cent has a bit of armor and hesh
Pta has no armor and limited flexibility with its low gun depression

[minor minnow]

I have to disagree with the Cent, especially with the top speed buff. It’s got enough armor to be workable, and a good gun with HESH

[raw geyser]

While IS-4 is still strong, I find it way easier to circle than an IS-7. Plus, the side armor is somewhat less trickier

[frail silo]

after the mobility buff i think 7/1 is pretty decent right now

[sudden path]

Uh its p2w ratio is really bad for 50 kph
Plus its a giant boat with no armor
And its dpm is piss poor
Literally the only things going for it are hesh and the gun mantlet

[uneven narwhal]

HESH, mantlet, GD, and it's still decently mobile at Tier 9
Only reason it may seem bad it because people don't use HESH as their primary ammo

[thick rover]

runs heat gun

[regal grove]

If u aren’t using HESH as primary ammo in the 7/1 there’s no wonder why you think it sucks

[exotic goblet]

If you keep take this #worldofheavies blitz as a joke, it is getting really old. If you aren't, then you seriously don't know how to play meds do you?

[nocturne mauve]

But why would I play that when I could play a heavy?

[uneven narwhal]

Because meds actually take skill
Sorry if that was the point of you playing a heavy

[nocturne mauve]

Well mediums aren’t that hard to play, lmao what was the point of that? I’m just saying heavies are outright better than any other classes.
What you smoking man?

[scarlet fjord]

there are certain mediums that are still viable in most situations just as much as heavies
take for instance STB-1 121 62a
all the light tanks are somewhat useful too nowadays TD's are a bit struggling though
but there are some exceptions which i enjoy like 4005

[twin egret]

E 50 M

[full token]

Wow, seems no one knows that heavies are op. Need to find any conversation and insert this reminder that heavies are op.
Gets boring talking about the same old topic. There’s not so much to talk about regarding heavies that hasn’t already been said. People have discussed it and given their solutions and why heavies are op and why they need a nerf and so on. WG nerfed them once and that was long after people were complaining about it, so it doesn’t seem they will even read this channel and see you talking about op heavies any time you are able to

[nocturne mauve]

You’re naive to think they even care about what’s said in this channel. Tbh tier X before the heavy buffs was fairly balanced and didn’t require many changes

[scarlet fjord]

Idk about the E50M though i personally dislike it due to the boxy turret which everyone butters through and the lower plate which is as big as the upper plate
its strong suits are very unreliable for my playstyle inconsistent to be more accurate ramming or face hugging people is inconsistent in my opinion unlike a 121 which will find a way to be useful in every scenario
but its so hard to balance that tank either its broken or its whatever it is right now which i dont like

[jagged crescent]

I think the e50m is good as it currently is

[uneven narwhal]

The 50M turret is kinda weak from near but when you are say 50m ish away , even if you got an accurate gun like the 62A, you got a much greater chance of hitting the gun mantlet instead because not every engagement is going to be when you are 10m away and both are stationary

[distant river]

I think the E50M is a little more than "good"

[uneven narwhal]

Ye personally I find it a very strong tank, should've included that in my message oop

[manic jetty]

buff the ru 251 HE damage by 20 or 10

[cursive schooner]

What’s is now? Buff then. LeKpf got 320

[stuck acorn]

270?

[terse tinsel]

they should do that too all 225 alpha guns then

[manic jetty]

bruh thats more than enough for LeKpf, but ru 251 is less...getting 300 dmg in HE is SO RARE in normal role..let the alpha of AP be 225 itself by HE dmg should get a small buff..LeKpf has a good HE dmg but no need to give ru that much dmg cuz the tank with HE pen and then giving 320 dmg is broken (reload time=4.9 with the top speed of 80)

[vital basalt]

i think most tier 8 meds with 90mm should get 240 alpha tbh.Pershing,t26e4,fcm 50t,cdc,sta1 etc.

[cursive schooner]

Well yeah. Kpf got like 65 and 5.5ish reload

[dense oyster]

Ru would be nice with a HE alpha buff.
**but cent 1 needs a new top gun. **
**Give it a new top gun that is not the same as any other brit tanks. **
**but give it HE with decent semi HESH pen. (90mm or even 100mm) **
**I don't think it needs a speed buff otherwise it just becomes faster and that is a bit boring. **
give it a unique gun so it can be better than a fv301 in a brawl. IMO
🫖 🇬🇧

[quasi axle]

I believe 301 and cent 1 have the same gun though

[safe rapids]

Did you even hear what he said? Cent 1 would get a unique gun (maybe add it for Caernarvon too) and it would not be the same as the FV.

[twin egret]

I'm pretty sure the 83mm gun on the Cent couldn't even fire HESH at all

[versed tide]

Maybe give it a mid alpha gun (like 270) so it doesn’t feel weird going into the big alpha t9 with low dpm

[quasi axle]

woops I can't read 🥳

[twin egret]

Are there any tanks with a gun that has a 95mm caliber

[empty nexus]

Does anyone else think CDC needs to be buffed? On the move dispersion small buff, or aiming time small buff and reverse speed buff. DPM buff would be nice too.

Not a skill issue, but I feel that it takes too much effort to make the tank Competitive compared to other tanks. It used to be OP when a skilled player played it and terrible when a bad player played it but it’s been powercreeped alot I feel.

[crimson salmon]

can android phone users use keyboard and mouse controllers on playing?

[edgy hedge]

Yes they can lol

[nocturne mauve]

Haha why would they use that

[twin egret]

Accuracy sure, aiming time is already pretty decent, reverse speed nah

[crimson salmon]

you see sir i dont have a laptop or desktop to play this game..its just some games on mobile are better played using controllers than just using touch and im really bad at playing this game by just touching ang tapping screens..i can only afford cheap controllers so i can enjoy myself playing on my phone thats why i ask if it is possible..

[empty nexus]

Reverse speed on the tank is awful tho. DPM should be buffed too tbf
<@&481447501690568709> message below ⬇️

[lean siren]

Would it be possible to see the Kanonenpanzer 105 buffed a little bit ?
When it has been tested by the best of the superuniqum players the tank had the Leopard 1 gun, and it has been nerfed… TBF the tank is really not easy to play even for good players because you can’t carry at all in this tank. A quicker reload just as it was before its nerf would make it stronger. This is definitely not a tank that will survive a lot but if it is also hard to deal dmg… I have it and absolutely no fun playing it… All this tank is capable is to encourage you to stay far and in a bush. Spending gold for such thing is really disappointing… At least Rhm can deal amazing HE shots…
Can’t wait to see how Kanonenpanzer105 performs now with a few more players having it. Not sure it will still have around 55% WR even with the genuine Leopard 1 gun it has when it hit the game…
I am not sure that the AMX CDA 105 (that has ATM an AMX30B similar gun) will perform well in game too. And we will see if it’s reload will be nerfed or not… Amx CDA has the same concept as the Kanonenpanzer 105: very mobile TD with a tier 10 medium gun

[safe rapids]

CDA has armor though, good against tier 7 and most tier 8 lights and meds. And it gets good gun depression of -8

[versed tide]

Cda is a cross between wz 120 gft and kanonen

[nimble zodiac]

I think it more a cross between AMX 30 1er and WZ-120-1G FT

The weird structuring just gives me those vibes

[stuck path]

Has anyone seen how useless the BT7 ART. Is like it’s below useless I would rather a toaster for a teammate. Because the tank cannot damage anything really in its tier and absolutely nothing above it.

It honestly plays like a tier 1 in a tier 3,4 games

[full token]

Shouldnt be playing that tier anyway. Move onto the more fun tanks at higher tiers

[ancient crypt]

Didn’t the CDC just receive a Buff? Alot of genuinely really good Players I know say it’s pretty strong rn, but like the Lorraine it gets HE-Spammed so that frightens away alot of ppl

[stuck path]

You don’t understand, all tiers are fun to use, and I enjoy playing tanks I don’t normally play on there birthday

[terse tinsel]

fair enough

[nocturne mauve]

Lol what the new tank can shift its armour hahah and of course it’s a heavy

[full token]

Low tier tanks are more bland to me. Low alpha and they seem to take ages to kill off tanks. There’s more noobs there and if you’ve got a higher tier tank you should leave the lower tiers for the noobs to learn in. Birthdays are a fair reason to play low tiers, but not a reason to be playing them to the point you have to care for buffs. I play them when I have birthdays because it helps grind the free xp, but sometimes I find it too boring to bother playing for the birthdays

[unique scaffold]

at lower tier i play only collectibles tank and when new tanks of each tier come in the game

[stuck path]

Like I understand that but I feel like it should be more in its place like the tank fits in tier two almost perfectly and has a better chance being there instead of being outclassed by every tank in the tier it’s in.

Play a game in it

[ancient crypt]

As if everyone can enjoy High Tier, sometimes High Tier is just too stressful so people want to try Lower Tier Tanks

[full token]

Try them. Don’t spam them

[empty nexus]

It's AP shells are free so it prints credits like theres no tomorrow, is the buff you may be talking about. it got Buffed on PC but otherwise i haven't heard of any such buff

[ancient crypt]

If I want a Credit Printer I don’t need another Tier 8 Premium, I have the ChiNu Kai and Angry Connor aswell as Löwe&T26E4

[violet pumice]

Ten minutes bruhh

[stuck acorn]

lol why are you so biased at heavy tanks? every other class also have some great tanks, it's not like only heavies are some super op... get good

@nocturne mauve if you know how to use mediums, lights or tds you will be performing good in them too. It all depends on the tank itself not the class it belongs to...

[slate spruce]

Hey,
@lusty silo can you please update me on whether Wargaming have any plans to bring back these two maps

-Lost Temple
-Mirage

Last time they removed it with the excuse of reworking both of these...that was like so many months ago and it still isn't back....

Hopefully, we'll hear the good news from you soon, regarding these two maps :))
Have a great day!

[nocturne mauve]

Oh wow another attack of my skill
Doesn’t take a brain to know heavies are better

[full token]

did you know heavies are op?

[stuck acorn]

<@&481447501690568709> some guy to warn/mute/ban idk

[gleaming apex]

CRUSH.KILL.DESTROY#0807 has been warned.

[worthy basin]

@sleek plover you're free to voice your frustrations, but will have to follow server rules while doing so - that includes not using profanity

[prisma jetty]

<@&481447501690568709> need some more nitro?

[nocturne mauve]

Heavies ARE op

[frigid elbow]

they arent

[drowsy plaza]

Some are, some are not. Same with meds and lights - but generally heavy tanks are over cooked more.

Admittedly my 30-60-90 is better in X in meds than heavies - but by and large heavies outperform mediums in most skill brackets and the gap in some tiers isn’t even funny with TT Meds.

[quasi axle]

(tbf personal stats don't really mean much in terms of discussing tank balance)

[twin egret]

I'd say a cross between a kannonepanzer a WZ 120 G FT, and a AMX 30 ptr imo

[leaden flare]

I wouldn't overrate it yet I can't even imagine how ud be supposed to angle them mid game
Which keys would they use for them to angle and stuff like that

[empty nexus]

What does that have to do with anything? It got buffed cuz the shells that it uses are the same shells that the T5 French TD has and as a result of the economic changes That made shells free for low tiers The CDC’s shells became free aswell. I’m talking about the tank being power crept as it used to be Very good in a skilled player’s hands and Crap in an average players hands, but nowadays it’s Average in a Very good players hands and horrific in an average player’s hands.

Tank has okay dpm, Good speed and good accuracy, and that’s literally it. It’s dpm isn’t as good as it used to be due to it being powercrept. - so please Wargaming give The CDC buffs similar to the ones it got on PC (Reverse speed buff, small dpm buff and on the move dispersion buff) cuz it’s pretty damn necessary.

[lean siren]

CDC performances are average mate, so I don’t see it would be buffed in the next future. Ribbelstripe gives us the t8 9 10 performances in graphs you can see somewhere here in the devs dedicated channel

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/502017295107883008/874258756614098994/8.1_-_t08.png

[exotic goblet]

they aren't anymore lmao

[last shadow]

Yeah, because no one but super unicums that are masochistic play that thing
So of course the stats are reasonable /s

[empty nexus]

To be fair I have to agree with you. If you’re playing the CDC it requires MAX Attention or you’re dead.

Coincidentally MAX is just AMX rearranged

[golden turret]

What did you say about my baby boy? It ain’t really power crept at all.

[empty nexus]

I enjoy my CDC too but I feel it needs a small buff To Either OTM dispersion or DPM buff. Or a Reverse speed buff. I really want a reverse speed buff

[golden turret]

I guess all of those buffs wouldn’t hurt. Maybe a slight buff to top speed

[empty nexus]

Yeah, but It’s highly Unlikely so that’s sad ☹️

[golden turret]

Sad French noises

[scarlet fjord]

CDC is somewhat useable if you reverse sidescrape when you got nothing to farm it actually has great side armor for that its just the turret is such paper u need to wiggle it while reverse sidescraping with a quick firing gun which is just so much effort wg needs to buff that turret armor at least
(mistake i meant the FCM 50T ^^^)

[uneven narwhal]

The entire side is 20mm what are you talking about.......

[quasi axle]

Wheeze

[unkempt quest]

I mean. Technically every tank can sidescrape, Just not at the same effectiveness

[frosty swan]

Side scrape in SP 1 C
Somehow block smaher HE
Master at side scraping achived
@sweet prism if for that 1, it work but not cdc

[sweet prism]

I suppose he was thinking about fcm50t

[drowsy plaza]

@scarlet fjord seriously? Any tier 7 can riddle it

Even the FCM can’t against tier 7

It gets cheeked before the gun comes out

[rare sleet]

Heavies are op? Fv215b would like to disagree

[quasi axle]

Most heavies are still better

[nocturne mauve]

They’ve still got way too much HP, and the balance changes only affected tier x

[scarlet fjord]

very sorry i meant the 50T not the CDC i cant believe i i miswrote that lol while reveres sidescraping its side armor gets like 260-300 depending on how good you are and the turret is their only option which if u wiggle gets troll but they can mostly pen the turret most of the time
you angle the turret and the cheeks of the FCM become 70 degrees auto ricochet angle to kinetic rounds and the gun mantlet you cant pen that
their only option is the flat cheeks which isnt half bad if they have good accuracy

[ancient crypt]

Next Halloween Tank Concept: Tier 8 Heavy Tank.

Ultimate Halloween Tank: VK100.01(P) Hull,E75TS Turret and the BL-10-M 2-shot AutoLoader for 30mm less APCR Pen,26mm less AP Pen, 200less dmg potential on AP&APCR,5mm less HE Pen and 300 less HE dmg potential,(600 MaxRoll for AP, 481 Maxroll for APCR and 900 Maxroll for HE)
With a 8s InterShell Reload and a 18s FullClip Reload.

I am prepared to face severe backlash from The Community for throwing this concept to WarGaming.

[limpid patio]

Does WG use bots to fill MM when not enough people are online? Can you tell by someone’s IG name if they’re a bot? I know in WOWSB bots have names like “:randomname:” with colons before and after the name so you can tell easier. 🤷🏼‍♂️ Just wondering.

[twin egret]

Rhey do use Bots but that's only when you start the game as a new player. For I think around 10 battles? You will be placed in battles with bots before going on to face actual players

[limpid patio]

Ok so all battles are pretty much all real people after that?

[twin egret]

Yeah

[nimble zodiac]

The new tutorial gives bots up to tier 7 I believe

[ebon lynx]

Any tier 8 gun can pen CDC, 3-caliber rule

[scarlet fjord]

I corrected myself that I meant the FCM 50T

[junior fulcrum]

the vk 36 is pretty broken to some extent, change my mind

[quasi axle]

There are bots up until 500 battles until tier 7

[full token]

I don’t think you’re really going to want to get your mind changed, whether you say something right or not..

[remote oriole]

That‘s an awkward statement

Pretty broken to some extend is like saying yesn‘t

Let me say it very clearly: The VK 36.01 (H) is blatantly overpowered

[ancient crypt]

I heard you can encounter Bots until 5000 Battles, that way it’s mostly New Accounts you’re facing instead of a bunch of Veteran Tryhards

Yeah 5k is too much tbh, maybe it’s true for the first 1-2.5k but after that it could make them used to fighting dumdums and when it’s gone bam! They start facing TryHards and that might be too much for some Players to adapt to all of a sudden

[twin egret]

False
5000 battles is too much kekw

[drowsy plaza]

5k is the limit of the new player queue, but 500 is limit for WG bots. But let’s face it a lot of players with 50k games play like bots

[empty nexus]

Exactly, I’ve recently Hit 5k battles and it’s no different 😂 Instead of a noob with 3k battles it’s some bozo with 50k xD

[golden turret]

Yea yesterday my brother was playing blitz for his final match with the T54E1 before he got the T57 heavy and he encountered a Maus that played like a bot. 34K battles, 50.48% winrate. I was flabbergasted

[quasi axle]

Ok

[versed tide]

I mean his wr is better than most

[empty nexus]

50% isn’t even bad. I’ve seen 24k battles 39% player once. Scary👻, and with the start of the Halloween, All the noobs will be back to scare us even more 😂

[leaden flare]

It's way different
Sub 5k and above 5k are 2 different worlds

[empty nexus]

Eh, I didn’t notice much change, however I will note I created my account ages before bot mm was a thing but just didn’t play it at all, so that may have affected my mm.

[unique scaffold]

How do you guys think will the new polish consumables affect the performance of the 50tp prototyp?

[full token]

it’ll improve it ofc

[minor minnow]

Absolutely will improve it. By how much is still to be determined

[nimble zodiac]

I mean the option to have 506/437/644 alpha can really save some kills that the enemy would have survived otherwise. Weakly-armored enemies will have to expect an E100's punch when a 50TPp hits em

[ivory quiver]

Bro why’d you have to call me out like that

[reef shale]

Can y'all balance the matchmaking? Like holy Christ in hell your matchmaking sucks even more than your creativity with how to make a balanced premium tank

[minor minnow]

It is balanced, you’re just bad

[hearty steeple]

When people learn to read(and comprehend) pinned messages

[quasi axle]

insert skill issue gif here

[primal yacht]

If the A.E. Phase I is accurately represented, shouldn’t it be able to withstand one track hit and still move?

[nimble zodiac]

I mean if it tries to roll with a broken track, it'll just roll the track off 🤔

[remote oriole]

Well, technically so do the Yohs

[hearty steeple]

On PC the yohs quite literally leave their track behind which magically snaps back to the tank last I checked

[primal yacht]

Dumb question…but I really don’t know…why the Yohs? The Phase was, at least on paper, designed to lose one of it’s 4 track systems and still move at full speed and full power.

[remote oriole]

Because the Yohs deployed an emergency set of tracks that was underneath the primary track and only deployed at around half the length of the primary track

https://preview.redd.it/3szzsyna0k071.jpg?auto=webp&s=0cf4255e2e62cffc1aeae7657d3209a1e780cb4a

[primal yacht]

Wow, cool…thanks.

[golden turret]

Imagine complaining about the matchmaker when it’s completely random

[wise jackal]

give the LT 432 6 or 7 degrees of gun depression. That is the only real change it needs.

[unique scaffold]

A. Read the pinned messages
B. Matchmaking is fine. It treats all players the same. It’s as fair as it can be.

[reef shale]

What pinned message?
And not for mey matchmaker sucks

[unique scaffold]

The ones in the pinned messages 🤦‍♂️

It isn’t the matchmakers job to hold your hand to victory. If you want to win more play better.

And that is enough about matchmaking in this channel

[uneven narwhal]

It does not have the turret height for the gun to depress that much

[fickle light]

I glad that the obj263 got buffed which made me really happy, but i think another armor buff may work too. Specifically, it lower plate, i want to buff it from 170mm to 190mm. Since the tank dont have a good depression nor high alpha, it better to have a strong armor to rush with team

[wicked quest]

It literally has a bigger gun than most tanks excluding TDs itself lol dont make it frontal proof

[fickle light]

ehhhhh, boosting the lower plate just make it stronger at angling. It not like we cant shoot it normaly without gold:/

[junior fulcrum]

Which tank desperately needs a buff?

[nimble zodiac]

D1

[toxic cove]

30b

[runic hatch]

First time on this server bruh 10 minutes slow mode... just gotta say... NERF ANNI

[junior fulcrum]

They did kinda nerf it, and it did work to some extent

[golden turret]

So you wanna make it nigh impenetrable to tier 9?

[remote oriole]

If anything, I would buff the engine deck and the small vertical strip on the superstructure to allow it to facehug and hulldown more effectively

[honest dagger]

nerf e50m pls

[uneven narwhal]

+1 to that

[empty nexus]

• 1 to that aswell, the tank is far too strong. Good dpm, Accuracy, mobility AND armour. Alpha not half bad either, it literally has everything going for it

[frigid elbow]

note: this is only a graphical feature and only available on wot pc, however the emergency track feature itself is in blitz too

[versed tide]

7° on pc laughing

[wise jackal]

sure it's fine but -1° would be just enough that you wouldn't have to overexpose yourself on most maps that provide decent locations for spotting, shooting, and general engagements with the enemy. As somebody that has the tank, I do just fine in it. I don't believe it needs any other changes besides that. The increased gun depression would make it friendlier to the large majority of the community. But that also implies they can get it soooo... It is what it is.

[quasi axle]

it has worse dpm than the mod1

[wise jackal]

You're comparing it to a medium tank with great armor, decent penetration, and brawling ability. DPM isn't everything in a game. Personally, the Mod 1 could use a slight mobility buff of 3-5km on forward speed. Sure the tank is fast but that doesn't mean anything if you can't hit your target. With 184 pen with APCR (Standard shell), the LT-432 is more reliant on it's premium AP shells with amazing penetration for it's tier. Really both of the tanks could use buffs in the game from my perspective. However, with the recent releases of premium tanks in Blitz, I do have an appreciation for the fact that it didn't come out super broken after it was tested.

In addition, for a balance discussion. I feel like 10 minutes just to send a couple of lines of text is brutal. If you're just trying to have a valid conversation. It makes it not worth while when you can only say a maximum of 4000 words in 20 minutes.

[quasi axle]

no, it's only a .1 reload difference but mod 1 has better dpm

[frigid elbow]

@quasi axle @cursive schooner t54 ltwt better

[quasi axle]

I know

[thin ermine]

WG do not add the new special provisions and consumable to the 50tp. It’s already OP. You’ll break the tier.

[nimble zodiac]

It's OP consumables, you think they'll listen after the others?

[junior fulcrum]

Nah fr, it’s actually pretty strong for its tier

[full token]

Ik

[terse tinsel]

now that there are consumables that give u basically the same alpha as a conway hesh shell without the risk of low pen and hitting track, can we pls get a heat gun on it? cus the 670 alpha hesh almost always lowrolls in my experience. plus the 770 alpha he shot is more worth it.

[full token]

Low rolls are bad luck. The average is the average. You’re as likely to high roll as a low roll

[terse tinsel]

id like to try my rolls luck on the heat gun tho

[real bison]

how is the tank OP

imo I think it’s fine

[thin ermine]

@real bison combination of:
Good dynamics, very good top speed, acceleration,
Good gun, can snap shots easily
Nearly impenetrable turret with one cupola without a hitbox and another small one
8 degrees of gun dep

[unique scaffold]

i agree

[slim trellis]

Would giving the vk72 even worse dpm in exchange for substantially better aim time and accuracy make it still sort of relevant even with the 60tp? 20s+ reload for .2 dispersion when fully aimed in maybe? (1920 dpm would be a challenge tho lmao)

[wicked quest]

That is an awful exchange

[twin egret]

^

[wise jackal]

Cali is better for all vehicles. What's the point of having the damage if you can't penetrate anything.

[nimble zodiac]

Who said not running CS meant you couldn't pen anything?

[uneven narwhal]

It's a matter of personal preference, having more pen or more DPM

[wise jackal]

You taking that literally instead of getting the point is disappointing. But it is what it is I guess.

[nimble zodiac]

I’ve just been through this process many times, so I was making fun :p

[lethal drift]

183 needs reticule calibration

[empty nexus]

I only take Cali For T10 tanks or Autoloaders at any tier. For everything else (268 included cuz it has good base pen) I run rammer. I do run cali on Chrysler tho

[leaden flare]

That's a skill issue if you can't pen

[sharp saddle]

It’s a tank by tank basis
Tanks packing 340 HEAT get CS just to enhance the absurd amount of penetration.
I choose CS over Vents.
Tanks like the FV215b and Chieftain I use rammer to enhance the DPM because the way I use them is by bullying the lighter armoured vehicles - not frontlining like a typical heavy. It helps they also have great accuracy, allowing for consistently shooting weakspots

[uneven narwhal]

^
Vents are kinda just useless compared to CS
The bonus is negligible when you can have better penetration

[dusty vine]

This is cursed ad

[exotic goblet]

i take cali if the tank has heat or good he. For example jageroo even tho it has great pen the heat bonus is just too much to ignore. I run rammer on takes that have apcr for prammo, no matter how horrible the pen is

[hearty steeple]

How often are you shooting at a plate where your standard rounds don't pen but 5% more will pen. It really isn't that often. For tier 10 if you have 255mm standard rounds, how often are you shooting at plates that are effective 260-265mm. Most tier 10s have weaker plates you can aim for. I find myself shooting on the reload more often than the previous condition. Ofc I run cs on tanks like most tier 10 meds because their prammo is so abysmal.

[frigid elbow]

imagine using cali on meds or heavies with 340 heat
unless ofc clippers

@empty nexus waste of dpm

[empty nexus]

I always use Cali with meds. Clippers 100% always Cali. With heavies I also go for Cali sometimes, but not always

[hearty dust]

can we get a nerf on that 50tp prototyp? its broken af

[full token]

No we’re getting a buff instead next update

[uneven narwhal]

Because how can it be an update without wack balance decisions

[stuck acorn]

well it's a great tank, maybe little overpowered but i wouldn't call it broken af tho.

[frigid elbow]

its not broken, ur just bad

[versed tide]

I’ve recently switched over to rammer on my meds/lights; yes I can’t pen that e100 turret flat on but the real question is why am i shooting a e100 turret that is facing me. I’ve found that rammer is more useful if you know where to shoot and how to engage your enemy. I used to use Cali and it’s a viable option but the main advantage of meds/lights is dpm so I want to buff it as much as I can.

[twin egret]

I find CS better because you can just pen the upper glscis of tbe E 50 M with an FV4202 or Leopard 1(hopefully the less 1° of depression doesn't effect it)

[empty nexus]

Leopard 1 is being nerfed?

[versed tide]

You can do that if your above e50m which doesn’t happen often for me

[twin egret]

And I don't find myself below an E 50 M often for me

[stuck acorn]

and if he angles you can't do that anymore, so it's basically useless

[nimble zodiac]

Wow I'm so glad that I can hit a nearly equally sized plate rather than the intended weakspot of the tank 👀

[exotic goblet]

quite often, E100 turret, maus, jageroo, is7, is4 etc

[unique scaffold]

So you run Jageroo with CS ?

[pliant bolt]

So is the Smasher tank balanced or a broken tier 7?

[nimble zodiac]

Still broken

[exotic goblet]

yes, just to get the pen super high

[scarlet fjord]

useless

[winged barn]

If I'm in a tank that I'm gonna be using for trading shell for shell with or a clipper, I'm using calibrated.
If I'm in a tank that tries to spit out as many shells as possible before the enemies target you, I'm using a rammer.

[empty nexus]

Basically lol. Like when I hopefully get the RAAC from the esports event I’ll 100% play it with rammer

[exotic goblet]

thank you for contributing to this discussion

[scarlet fjord]

sorry lol

[full token]

It’s a game not a simulator. Things get changed

[unique scaffold]

It was fixed because the gun would make the tank fall over like KV-2 but since it doesn’t have a 183mm it should go 360

[fluid topaz]

Im so confused that the badger isnt in the tech tree
It makes too much sense
It follows the traits of the line, (turretless strong frontal armor and reliable shots)
The FV183 would make so much sense as a collector
Its a meme tank that is somewhat comparable to the the Smasher

[unique scaffold]

| It makes too much sense
This is why

[nimble zodiac]

It would, but WG already sold Badger for gold so they can't do it now

@golden anvil you're implying that you want to mount a 183mm on the FV4005, which would instantly kill its stats because a 183 is just too broken for tier 10

[golden anvil]

Not the gun, the fully rotational turret

[dense oyster]

FV 183 cant become a collector tank because it is a tank that F2P players should have access to. even if the whole tech tree line is sus 👀
Fv4005 cant have a fully rotating turret because then you would have to nerf some other stats. and to be honest. the tank is already a glasscannon so nerfing other stats just to get 360 of turret rotation would make the tank abysmal to play.
and for the CS vs GR argument. I run CS on tanks with reload longer than 14seconds (E100) and on autoloaders. (mainly because if you miss it is pain.)
@real bison good idea. have the tech tree split at tier 9 (like the T54) but WG has already sold the badger so it probably wont happen. another tank maybe?

[real bison]

then they can pull a console and allow players to choose the 183 or badger

[twin egret]

Just remove the premium consumables

[dense oyster]

@twin egret read this ⬆️ ⬆️ ⬆️ ⬆️ ⬆️ ⬆️

[unique scaffold]

Wargaming ! Read this please

[twin egret]

No. Remove those special consumables

[scarlet fjord]

Remove special consumables
Except the 4005 makes it very interesting unique and is still balanced in my opinion but remove it from the other tanks and try to balance them properly from now on without the ridiculous consumables or provisions this is not mad games it looks ridiculous
I only want the spall liner and autoloader boost left for the 4005 and maybe the improved aiming circle as well remove the op speed boost entirely
This is only for 1 tank and is strictly my opinion cuz I find it interesting but whatever most of the community prefers is best

[dense oyster]

i would take away sand bag armour.
reactive armour
reticle calibration
improved engine boost
shell reload boost
Spall liner is a tricky one though. cause since we have spall liner. we could arguably have the Foch 155 with its old Alpha (but with bigger reload of cause) since it cannot 2-shot a Grille or fv4005 anymore 👀

[quasi axle]

Why double fuel that 10% crew provision is pretty good

[winged barn]

The baby fuel does basically nothing

[quasi axle]

I mean the 10% food probably does more for your mobility than the 3% fuel

[hearty steeple]

I would take a more accurate gun with 1 second faster clip reload, not to mention a bit more viewrange over being slightly faster

[stiff edge]

monke uses small fuel
thats even worse than using small food

[junior narwhal]

Balance your servers

[quasi axle]

🐒

[nimble zodiac]

Okay

Now what?

[coarse depot]

why i can't get 10gold

[lofty mist]

lmaoo hes actually being smart for once

[last shadow]

The door is there
get out

[unique scaffold]

Problem isn't consumables already here but upcoming Czech consumables

[uneven narwhal]

Man woke up and chose to spit fax

Wow just realised thats old
Still 100% spot on tho

[severe prairie]

How about banning mouse and keyboard players. Give them their own server. Pathetic mouse and keyboard players can triharding on a mobile game

[uneven narwhal]

If you dont want to come up against PC players, just turn on Same Control Mode in settings lol
And may I remind you that a majority of dem tryharders are on phone as well

@rugged patio Then just turn on same control mode

[rugged patio]

but mobile tryharders at least don't have such an advantage a pc player has

[severe prairie]

Same control mode does not work -at least in rating battles. I know for sure because I have been in training room with people I’ve seen in ratings where their mouse control gets busted by the icon.

[uneven narwhal]

It probably does not work in ratings due to the lower amounts of players but I suggest we end this topic here because this does not relate to balance

[last shadow]

Just buy a PC and play Blitz there
:bigbrain:

[severe prairie]

Yes it does. Mouse aim is so much overpowered. Huge imbalance difference. The biggest in game. That’s why it has been banned in twister cups and such

[exotic goblet]

one advice: GIT GUD KID and stop complaining. Either turn on same control mode or deal with it. Or just get a pc. I don't see fatness whining about it

[empty nexus]

Exactly. You don’t want your problem fixed you just came here to whine because you’re not good and want To blame someone for it.

Either turn same control mode on, Or buy a PC. If you don’t want to do either then that’s your own fault and deal with it.

Whining doesn’t fix anything

[severe prairie]

If I would get a pc for gaming I would not play mobile games on it 😂

It makes the game imbalance. Most players who comment here are very exited about this game. Triharding to be better. That’s why they using mouse, like you guys, that’s why you getting angry. You don’t want to play with same conditions.

Same controls switch does not work.

[zealous rover]

Lycan needs a buff
its gun is some kind of funny joke
has a dispersion slightly smaller than the KV-2
no stabilization and aiming time longer than the 122m caliber in the best configuration on tier VII
for comparison, the IS-2 (1945) or IS have a dispersion lower by only 0.19 m, but thanks to a better stabilization of the gun, the dispersion is not 100% all the time.

[pseudo hedge]

Ah yes using a Mouse makes you angry. And for your "I'd just play different games" argument @severe prairie have u seen the train wreck that is WoT PC ? Even if I had a PC I'd much rather play Blitz over normal WoT.

[exotic goblet]

Lmao i use laptop because i can play wotb while watching youtube at the same time. Not every pc users are tryharders. Once again, deal with it kid, i don't see fatness complain so why should you

[remote oriole]

That last argument is about as poor as me after burning all my money

[nimble zodiac]

Lycan is fine. Sure it has worse dispersion than all of the 122mm heavies, and worse aiming time than most of them, but it has a common advantage when it comes to turret traverse dispersion.

Also because of the strong hulldown and 10 degrees of gun depression, it can take much more useful and/or aggressive positions rather than the standard 122mm heavy in tier 7

Oh and of course the modules are comedically impervious within a 400mm box

The dispersion is much smaller than KV-2's 152mm

[severe prairie]

Lol trying to find arguments to justify mouse play on mobile game. Was banned in twisted cups for a reason don’t you think. It’s ridiculous to play against people who using thumb on touch screen to aim with a mouse. Keep triharding and believe yourself

[opaque talon]

The auto aim on touch is miles better tbf

[exotic goblet]

thank you very much

[uneven narwhal]

Then just enable same control mode????

[unique scaffold]

Best players I know play on mobile.

[stuck acorn]

Both mobile and PC have their advantages. And to be honest game where idk exact number but for sure over 10% of players play on different platform than the basic one for me can't be called a single platform game anymore. Blitz is not a mobile game it's multiplatform game. If you have problem with it - don't play it

[unique scaffold]

Get out of 2015. This isn’t a mobile game anymore. It is a cross platform game. While the Twister scene has stayed mobile only the majority of the game has not. This has been a benefit to the game as a whole because it draws in additional players and revenue. One platform is not better than another. They are different and both have their advantages and disadvantages. As others have already said if you want to play against only mobile players turn on same control mode.

[rare sleet]

If twister cups are mobile only, doesn't it mean that most of the top try-hards are mobile players?

[uneven narwhal]

Using their own logic against them 💯

[severe prairie]

No matter what. It give you an advantageous use mouse. Big imbalance to the game in general.

[opaque talon]

It depends on a lot of factors

[uneven narwhal]

Simple, mobile aim can lock on to weakspot and certain parts of the tank
PC cannot, the auto aim only locks to the middle
Balanced

[scarlet fjord]

although PC players have a reaction time advantage slightly it comes down to skill in the end the only time it would really matter is if its a hull down 1v1 where there is 1 small weakspot for u to spam gold at eachother then yeah the mouse player has advantage just use same control mode lol
Plus this is good for WG because PC platform increases their player count by a lot

[exotic goblet]

Lmao why are we still trying to argue with him. This sentence right here is probably as plain as possible to show whatever we say, the stubborn little kid won't change his mind. It's impossible to argue with some people sometimes, they fail to see the logic in other people's arguments and just think everything they say is true. Kinda reminds me of karens

[rare sleet]

But you can choose to play against same platform players right? Also on mobile you can watch ads to increase creds and exp so good grinds

[little sundial]

Tru. I've played all of them aand that's a fact.

[full token]

Mouse has the advantage but not all the players can utilize that. Unlike CoD or other FPS games you can have perfect aim in Blitz but not all your shots will hit on target. And there’s things like aim time, traverse speeds, etc that also affect the advantage pc players have with aiming. The advantage isn’t so noticeable. It’ll make some players play better on pc than on mobile but if you’ve faced good players, it may be similar to facing a decent pc player. Both may perform good. The advantage isn’t big enough to need the platform shut off from facing mobile players. They just allow Pc to play because they then get a bigger playerbase and that benefits them more

[little sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/nods-yes-not-wrong-its-true-story-valid-point-gif-14782869

[unique scaffold]

PC players can use like 8-10 fingers, while mobile has 2, but there’re still people saying touch is easier ahahahah

[uneven narwhal]

Touch is easier for plenty of players, perhaps due to the auto aim, and mostly due to the fact that they've started on mobile and adapted to it
Just because you find it easier on PC, does not mean everyone else does, you are not the only player in this game

[full token]

I think if someone takes the time, they can play better on pc than mobile. Jumping from mobile to pc won’t make them better instantly. There can be a few reasons why some won’t perform better on pc (maybe they only have two fingers) but generally most will do better

[toxic cove]

I find Nintendo Switch easiest

[unique scaffold]

You don’t get to ignore what others are saying while repeating your talking point. That isn’t how debates work.

[twin egret]

Can you even pen the 400mm box with like 183 HESH or Ho-Ri premium AP?

[hearty steeple]

Well the 400mm box will be inside so the shell will have to pen the main armor first which is atleast 80mm on the side and 60mm in the rear. So you need like 460-480mm minimum to pen that

[real bison]

guess what, mobile players can try hard too

it’s called claw grip

source: I use it

@unique scaffold imagine thumbs only

[nimble zodiac]

Me when I play it through Steam because my phone can’t store WoTB 😔

[winged barn]

This kid probably just got outplayed by someone and doesn't want to admit their own incompetence.

Whenever I lose, its because my enemies have a better gaming chair

[empty nexus]

I play on mobile, and same control switch does work. Just cause someone Aims better than you doesn’t mean “OMG THEYRE ON PC CHEATERSSS TRYHARDSS”

[nocturne mauve]

Tbh controls don’t matter as much in this game, it’s only an arcade tank game

[wicked quest]

I play mobile and have very little issue same control mode exists btw probably should work on your bait next time. Stop falling for this guy

[opaque talon]

Lmaooooo I'm a touch player😆 idk if you can see on my profile or wherever but it you don't believe me I'll screenshot me in a waiting room lol I'm a touch player with 1700 avr damage which is going up daily and 55wr which is also going up and I have 7k battles so like the others here I think you might be talking from your exhaust( hehe lol)

Not meant to be a flex I know I'm not anything special I literally just started this year was just saying you can be good on touch(not that I am yet) but there are plenty of pros who use it

[nocturne mauve]

Imagine thinking that’s a flex

[severe prairie]

Haha mouse player rage.

Mouse is huge advantage. That’s why it’s banned by twister cup.

Same control mode does not work in ratings. I know for sure because I know players there.

Beanzz319 nobody want to see screenshot of your crappy stats,

[uneven narwhal]

"haha mouse player rage" - says the touch player who came raging in here themself 🥴

[opaque talon]

Lol it takes a special kind of toxic to try to insult someone who isn't even saying they are good literally just saying I was alright also ask I said was I would screenshot whether I'm touch or pc but eh but yeah I need to stop falling for this lmaooooo

[full token]

Who cares about pc players in ratings. Just deal with it and outplay them.

[pseudo hedge]

Dude if your stats where any better you wouldn't be here raging

[winged barn]

Feed the troll
It's fun
It provides entertainment.

@severe prairie I guess sometimes players are just so dumb they have to find random things to try and blame to make them feel less incompetent

[severe prairie]

Mouse players are cheaters

[pseudo hedge]

hehe your trolling is becoming lame try somthing new

[gleaming apex]

Saibot#7142 has been warned.

[unique scaffold]

Playing the game exactly as it is designed to be played ≠ cheating

[unique scaffold]

I use thumbs only it’s good. If you’re 56% work on basics of the game, don’t make controls unnecessarily harder dude

[real bison]

I mean I can retain a 55%+ winrate with claw

probably with thumbs too

claw is nice for me, allows for ammo/consumable/commands to be used quickly, and I think that I’m as fast as some of the better PC players

(inb4 some pc player flexes on me with fingers that could probably play some insane guitar hero pieces)

[worldly star]

(O_O)

[unique scaffold]

It’s useful, but not needed. Most players of top 4 clans on EU play with just thumbs

[nocturne mauve]

Why would you need to play claw on this game, it’s not an FPS so there are literally no advantages

[real bison]

i do it because I can

try and stop me from playing claw

@remote oriole

I refuse!

[remote oriole]

Please stop playing claw

Well, all I was supposed to do is trying

[severe prairie]

Mouse gives a big advantage. We all agree on that.

[obtuse sentinel]

Cope and seethe harder.

[winged barn]

Yes. I 100% agree with that statement.
But not in blitz

[unique scaffold]

No we don’t

[severe prairie]

Mouse and keyboard gives a huge advantage that’s why wargaming banned it in twister cup. YEP

[unique scaffold]

Do you work for Wargaming? Are you willing to disclose your inside source?

The fact of the matter is that you don’t know why KB/M isn’t allowed in Twister. Your bias is causing you to jump to unsubstantiated conclusions.

Now, that is enough on this topic. Move on please.

[jovial bear]

someone's mad cuz bad

[dense oyster]

lets talk about other things related to this channel.
like how Leopard 1 has been powercreeped....👀
yes it has DPM, but not by much, now. the Vickers light does most of the same things the leopard does and it has light Camo and a slightly better turret
thoughts?

[empty nexus]

… no

Tanks that do need some love tho:

• amx 30 B
• indien panzer
• Sta-1
• Tortoise

Tanks that need a nerf:

• M Vi Yoh
• Vickers
• t-22 medium
• smasher
• E50M

[uneven narwhal]

Should have written Yoh twice, that's how much it needs a nerf

[empty nexus]

Essentially two shot needs interclip nerf, 3 shot needs BIG DPM nerf, so that it has around about 2600 dpm or so?
Top gun has a ridiculous 2.5k DPM, when it should be like 2.1k or so, and 3 shot has 3000 DPM, 10 Deg Gun depression, Great turret and decent mobility. It’s so evident it’s broken that it’s a new tank and it’s already a tournament favorite

[fallow eagle]

Not to forget about the mobility it has going along with the gun and the armor

[uneven narwhal]

Yoh has everything, two extremly strong guns, each the best at what they do, strong turret armor + 10deg GD to go hulldown (please dont use the argument that the cupolas exist, you cannot shoot them without RNG on ur side when the Yoh pokes for 3s and is constantly moving back and forth), and decent mobility as well

either nerf the turret armor to the ground or nerf the guns

[empty nexus]

Vickers I think needs an armour nerf, and a DPM nerf. It’s a light, not a med.
@toxic cove It’s not hard to pen, but the turret is too strong for a LIGHT tank which combines with its great mobility, And it’s Good DPM makes it a bit too strong, and I’m sure you wouldn’t disagree as plenty of people say it’s a very strong tank

T-22 medium Just needs its armour toned down, or it’s DPM Nerfed

Smasher is self explanatory

E50M needs to go back to the way it was lol, when it was balanced

Buffs:
Buff the 30 B’s DPM so that it’s roughly on par with 50M DPM or Patton DPM and Accuracy a bit more

Indien panzer could do with a small accuracy and dpm buff, maybe some more mobility or armour?

Sta - 1 DPM and mobility buff

Tortoise needs a armour buff

[toxic cove]

oh this vickers op armor and dpm yes, so hard to pen it

If you are barely able to penetrate tanks like T-22 and Vickers (which are kinda easy to pen) that doesn’t mean they need to be nerfed

DPM nerf? bruh, it’s fine since most of tierX meds have higher dpm. vickers is very strong, but not op

[empty nexus]

@toxic cove I’m very capable of penning it but are you that Blind to think T-22 medium is balanced? Vickers just needs A small DPM nerf and small armour nerf so that it plays like a light tank and not a medium on steroids.

That’s why It should be nerfed, it’s very strong. Just like the Yoh.

So by your definition, nerf OP tanks but not Borderline OP tanks because you like them and “Oh no pls don’t nerf my Vickers and T22 medium, they’re very strong but not OP, Don’t nerf!!!”

Vickers is classified as a light, make it a light, not a med with great Camo and VR.

Every tank is strong when played right but when a tank becomes very strong is when action should be taken

[toxic cove]

What makes T-22 unbalanced? 240 (Should be enough in heavy meta yeah) APCR penetration alongside with mediocre mobility? Random armor? Oh yeah, lets make every tank paper so playerbase won’t need to put any effort penetrating it. Vickers turret already got nerfed and now it is completely fine. As well as DPM, where you need to choose between bad penetration (240 APCR and 290 HEAT) or bad DPM. Vickers isn’t medium on steroids since most of tierX meds have better guns and in general scouting purpose of LTs in blitz is dead since maps are too small

The only thing vickers can get nerfed - HE shells, these ones are OP for this tank

Facing HTs in front is not the thing vickers need to do, I agree. However, it’s not like you move other flank and just punish HTs sides, you still need to keep in mind TDs (which are extremely dangerous for Vickers with its 1800hp) and other lights/mediums. And by this 240 pen makes vickers balanced

[empty nexus]

Light tank scouting Purpose isn’t dead by any means, and I would know considering I love my light tanks.

You don’t think T22 medium is very strong? I’m sorry what? 240 Pen can be upgraded using CS. It has very strong armour when utilized Correctly, and it’s super troll, which is made even stronger due to its low profile. It has good DPM and Mobility aswell, and it’s Accuracy is decent.

Look at T22 medium on Blitz hangar. Look at it’s sides. They are so strong even when over angles, so if a T22 rushes you, your only chance of penning is the plate that is facing you, and god forbid a player actually Wiggles etc.
Vickers DPM is Good, 3000 DPM with Calibrated is Good, but you don’t generally need Cali as you’re meant to be Attacking tanks from the flanks and rear, going against heavies Head on is not what you’re meant to do, especially With it’s great mobility so with rammer 3.2k dpm is very good.

240 pen keeps it balanced? Except Most mediums have 245 pen which is basically just 240 pen aswell. No, it does not keep it balanced

[severe prairie]

Control mode: touch.
No mouse allowed because it’s imbalanced. Gives huge advantage.

https://eu.wotblitz.com/en/news/tournaments/twister-cup-preliminaries/

[uneven narwhal]

Cry about it

[exotic goblet]

rage more pls, give me more free salt.

[frigid elbow]

burned😳😳

[full token]

Advantage isn’t big enough to justify banning them from regular queues… But you won’t respond to this. You’ll just keep repeating the same point that them being excluded from tournaments (where the best play), means they should be excluded from regular modes, where there’s a mix of noobs and pros

[gleaming apex]

Saibot#7142 was muted

[unique scaffold]

We are done with this topic

[austere elk]

@unique scaffold you owner of dinosaurs

[fossil spruce]

no tank need nerf except smasher and anni

[golden lava]

who think t54e2 is strong ?

[green gulch]

How send add friend By writing his name

[lofty mist]

sounds like a skill issue. vickers and t22 aren’t even hard to deal with. just get good

[versed tide]

Vickers doesn’t really need a nerf and t22 is pretty easy to deal with

[uneven narwhal]

<@&481447501690568709> so generous

Thank you

[gleaming apex]

Mazapán#0162 was banned

[empty nexus]

That would depend on the caliber of the player you are facing - if you face Some super Unicum In his Vickers, that Vickers is a lot stronger than if you faced Your average Joe who plays to pass the time. It is not a skill issue.

T22 medium is easy to deal with if it’s a moron driving the tank, who doesn’t know how to angle himself or position himself etc. Look at it’s Hit profile on Blitz hanger, It’s incredibly strong

Vickers is a very strong tank, it could do with a SMALL nerf. Teeny weeny adjustments here and there.

I don’t struggle to deal with them, well sometimes it can be tricky, But it’s pretty common knowledge that both tanks are very strong. Resisting my urge to curse you, Bugger off, you can’t tell someone that just because A tank can be tricky to deal with they shouldn’t play a certain tier.

[lofty mist]

they both play a specific role. if you seriously struggle so much to deal with them then don’t play tier 10 lol. i don’t find them any more op than tanks like the patton or sheridan. some tanks are just better than others. that’s how any game works

[empty nexus]

Just because I’ve had a Poor month due to My stats being Hit because of The 50TP event that I finished and generally Being occupied with school, Doesnt mean you should assume it’s a skill issue, so go squat in a cactus patch

You don’t care about my stats yet you suggested it was a skill issue? T-22 medium is Borderline OP. Vickers is very strong. Both need a tap on the wrist.

[lofty mist]

idc abt ur stats bro. just don’t go calling them op. they both play certain roles and aren’t very hard to deal with at all. more of an inconvenience than op

[full token]

<@&481447501690568709> discord nitro

[frail silo]

you can't make it about skill then back pedal when he shows it is clearly not a skill issue.
also nice avatar

[lofty mist]

it is about skill if he seriously struggles with them. yes they are strong tanks but any good player shouldn’t have any huge issue with them. also if ur trying to mini mod me that’s hilarious

[frail silo]

nah i am just pointing out an observation :D

[minor minnow]

<@&481447501690568709>

[delicate moth]

I like Discocrd.

[full token]

Another has succumbed to the discocrd nitro

[tepid pendant]

Can someone in wg explain what exactly has happened to the NA servers? I’m getting stuck on NA_C2 and averaging 25-30% packet loss no matter where in the country I am or what wifi I’m connected to and it’s already gotten to the point that I can’t effectively play the game due to it. Getting real old real fast and it’s getting to the point where I can’t play the game at all. Also before someone decides to come along and say “oh this doesn’t belong in balance discussion” I’ll gladly take suggestions as to where to post this where wargaming will actually see it

[bold dagger]

in #585464006936887306, potentially

[lofty mist]

ok? also it’s a girl in a bikini so if u can’t control yourself than i strongly advise staying away from beaches and pools.

[frail silo]

sheesh man, i didn't even say anything and you already feel attacked :P

[lofty mist]

<@&481447501690568709> so many gullible kids rn

[distant river]

"Get good" is not a solution to a medium with the armour profile of a heavy and it never will be

The T22 is only borderline op rn because it loses out on hp compared to meta tanks

[empty nexus]

As previously stated, I do not Struggle dealing with the tanks, except for on certain occasions
@distant river thank you lol

[stuck acorn]

T22 for me even if it's one of the strongest mediums doesn't seem that much broken for me. It's armor is basically paper if you watch out for not shooting sides. gun is basically classic russian med gun, nothing special and mobility isn't that good for a medium. But i can agree that it could use some nerf on the turret. I don't think that nerfing hull armor is a good idea because it's a factor that makes this tank special and work different than other russian meds, but combinating it with impenetrable turret may be a little bit too much tho. just make it's coupolas bigger and give it some cheeks weakspot like in stb or smth

[distant river]

Basically paper, unless the T22 isn't in the open sitting still 🤦‍♀️ (all against 268AP, 3rd best standard pen)

The T22 can take so many positions where it is extraordinarily strong, while still having medium speed and a medium gun

[twin egret]

FV4202 claps E 50 M tho

[prisma jetty]

Eh, not really

[gleaming apex]

Beanzz319#8361 has been warned.

[terse tinsel]

fv4202 cant contest any tank except for a leo

[sharp saddle]

FV4202 is nice but you are giving up actual prammo rounds for the HESH capabilities which can be a hinderance when having to fight more armoured targets but it’s a fair weakness for what it is capable of

[twin egret]

FV4202 claps E 50 M tho

[dense oyster]

personally
T22 med
the armour is brilliant, personally it needs a slight nerf at its DPM or the top speed. i wouldn't touch the armour because that's the reason why you play the tank

E50 M
The tank is very good. I wouldn't nerf its DPM, but I would nerf its guns dispersion, on the move stats etc.

Vickers light
the tank has great DPM and armour for a light
i would keep its armour as it is. but i would nerf the gun stats and maybe DPM (because it has enhanced HE)

[scenic stone]

Actually there are reports of an issue with penetration right now where shells don't autobounce if they hit spaced armor first.

Basically if you hit the track or spaced armor of the T22 first the primary armor behind it is "overmatched", skips the autobounce calculation and goes straight to seeing if you have enough pen.

Makes the T22 a lot less armored because of that bug/feature

[dense oyster]

Centurion 1
Needs premium HESH (i know its not historical but what is in blitz?)
the top gun should become different from the fv301 and it then needs a HE buff (90mm, 100mm. somewhere about there)

likewise it should share the gun with the Caernarvon IMO.

Smasher needs a nerf, the gun is as good as a Su152, but the smasher has the same gun on a turret and has 450 more hitpoints?!?!?!?!

Annihilator need its premium consumables taken away (heck, premium consumables and provisions are a farce...)

[wraith forge]

Solution to this: Buff 4202 hesh to 418mm of pen 😏

[winged barn]

Nah, I might still hit spaced armor.
It needs 440 alpha ap shells

[versed tide]

E50m just needs its mobility buffs reversed

[nocturne mauve]

Haha why are they even buffing the 60tp

[dark pike]

wg on its way to make e100 irrelevant

[mental pasture]

It's factual, no T-22 fanboy have words to deny this

[unique scaffold]

Good

[dark pike]

no

[thick rover]

Nerf gun handling...?

[tepid latch]

T22 is like t9 in t10 that’s how weak it is

[full token]

Weak tank that outperforms many others and has preference in tournaments

[placid carbon]

so when they nerfing the anni?

[quasi axle]

never

[timber raft]

No mods at all I have an account and my son does I did all the work for wr

[stray verge]

T-22 is overrated. 62A and 140 are about equal, both having superior guns and the 140 having better mobility. Don't even get started with the M48, M60, or E50M

[scarlet fjord]

are all of you really debating whether or not T22 is op?
is that even debatable?

[leaden flare]

T 22 doesn't seem to be an issue for me either all it can do is 1 v 1

Most maps have enough space to either avoid fighting it or outplay over gd because t 22 gun is out of the medium guns prob by far the worst

Idk where everyone wants to constantly reverse sidescrape

[twin egret]

I love it when they just get a shell slammed into that tiny 80mm flat plate of armour around the edges of the engine deck

Then they just stop reverse side scraping at alll

[lean siren]

Kanonenjagdpanzer 105 needs a DPM buff (at least if you want to encourage players to buy it)
Good camo okay
Very good mobility okay
No armor at all okay
It still lacks dpm: as soon as you get spotted you will be HE-able… you can’t carry a 40% WR-ters team even with a good toon mate. This tank needs love

[distant river]

Take the 140 and give it the armour profile of a very well armoured heavy and then nerf the gun a tiny bit and worsen it's acceleration. It's not just limited to 1v1s. "Just avoid it" is not a solution, and it really isn't a bad gun.

[pliant bolt]

Is the FV301 a good light tank for starters?

[stuck acorn]

there is no light tank good for starters. all lights are bad for starters

[scarlet fjord]

sheridan lights are the easiest for ur first light tank
aside from T49

[drowsy plaza]

FV301 is the best tier 8 Brit Tech tree med…

[uneven narwhal]

Far from it
People generally always play lights like mediums which is terrible for the Sheridan since you haven't got the DPM

The only light to get at the start is the Vickers if you absolutely must have a light since it's the closest to the medium playstyle

[scarlet fjord]

No
they copy characteristics from meds but dont play them exactly like meds
meds have incredible hull down capability due to turret armor vickers no longer has that your gonna get the guy shredded on his first light tank while he can just take sheridan and focus on light tank roles like spotting and flanking while dealing damage easily with high alpha shots and running away between reloads

[pliant bolt]

Ik but y'know light tanks are Destined to scout

[quasi axle]

Vickers can hulldown simply because it has a mantlet that covers like the whole turret

[unique scaffold]

interesting

[scarlet fjord]

if you think that i start to think you dont have the vickers

[quasi axle]

I do have the Vickers sorry

[uneven narwhal]

If you're implying that Vickers cant hulldown but Sheridan can then IDEK what to say lmao

[leaden flare]

I have Vickers too and I start to think someone is missing a brain or 2 functioning eyes because Vickers turret has a huge red bar called it's gunmantlet that makes it insanely annoying because its a shell magnet

Sheri is awful for a first light because it's special
But is way worse than Vickers

[scarlet fjord]

who said the Vickers cant and the sheridan can your not even understanding the points lmao
the sheridan is easier to play as u have 14 seconds to think how ur gonna shoot next safely and expose for almost 2x less to deal bigger chunks of alpha both can hull down he's insinuating that vickers can hull down like an armored med or something

[empty nexus]

Sheridan’s only redeeming Factor is derp and that HELLA ANNOYING SPACED ARMOUR EVERYWHERE EXCEPT LOWER PLATE LIKE - DAMN JUST LET ME HE YOU WITH MY 268

[scarlet fjord]

fam Vickers is literally high skill cap tank its turret isnt that hard to pen u legit need to be driving a 183 or make muppet shooting to not pen that turret lol
sheridan is legit easier to play if u argue otherwise idk what to tell u

[uneven narwhal]

You speak as if Sheridan is any easier to play
Almost all new light players play their light as a medium until they realise that lights have a different playstyle
Vickers is great for that transition since its sort of a med itself
You can give a player who has never played a T10 light before a gun with no DPM since players barely get the concept of just poking when you're ready to shoot and not taking DPM engagements

[scarlet fjord]

what logic is that lol
bad players dont need high DPM low alpha guns its bad for them because they dont know how to deal damage safely
what is easier than shooting once reloading for 14 seconds your camo resets and you do it again
they will make too many mistakes with the Vickers
aside from all of this the argument is literally pointless and is contributing nothing to balance so lets drop it

[opaque talon]

I mean high dpm is a lot more forgiving than high alpha

[scarlet fjord]

how
Lmao i did read it i just wish i didn't

[uneven narwhal]

Because apparently you have not read the line where I said people play their lights like mediums at the start, in which case DPM > Alpha

[unique scaffold]

Do you people think Concept 1B will make t95e6 completely useless ?

[remote oriole]

Ah, assumption time!

You are mistaken in assuming that I think. I don‘t. I hope that answers your question

[drowsy plaza]

If you play the Vickers like a med these days you are done. Less pen, less DPM and less armor. The mantlet is troll, but anyone who aims can pen the turret easily.

[quasi axle]

Bold of you to assume people can aim

[uneven narwhal]

While it is not a medium, it is the one that resembles mediums the closest out of the 3 Tier 10 lights and offers a smooth transition from starting to play the Vickers as a medium but them understanding how lights works
Out of the 3, it's the least punishable when played like a medium in that learning phase

[dense oyster]

how about the Vickers vs the leopard 1. 🤔
thoughts?

[versed tide]

Very different tanks

[dense oyster]

very similar playstyle though.

[quasi axle]

not really

[winged barn]

Leo1 is focused completely on having very high firepower and mobility

Vickers is an all rounder that doesn't really specialize in anything other than having mobility

[unique scaffold]

Vickers HE 😩

[ivory oyster]

To

[balmy obsidian]

Brother Volt🤝

[sleek grove]

there is no reason to not pick vickers instead of stb or leo1
besides the smaller HP vickers has ,its overall better ,including on armor

[empty nexus]

… STB has far better armour than Vickers

[exotic goblet]

lmao in what way does vickers have better armour than stb.

[jade kite]

Can anyone remove one of the cupolas of the AMX AC46 tier 7 French tank destroyer?

[desert swift]

The 50tp event imo was a shambles when it came to matchmaking with everyone try harding for kills and it became unenjoyable

[topaz meteor]

What is your reckon about 50tp??)

[formal rose]

I know that in Blitz you rarely see they will degrade a premium tank but they should balance the Anihilaitor, it is the only autoloader in the game that has it all, very strong armor, heavy tank life, a great damage per minute even higher than many tanks of tier 10, great damage per shot, a lot of mobility, a fast turret turn, a fast cartridge reload time compared to other autoloaders, a great range of vision almost equal to that of a light tank, tier 6 and 7 do not have any good chance against him and against tier 8 he still feels strong, I know they will say that it is not necessary because very few players have it, but the clan event showed the opposite there you found in tier 7 squads of anihilaitor, even in battle you could find yourself with an enemy team with 4 anihilaitors at the same time until battles in which there were 8 anihilaitors leaving the other players just as cannon fodder and them defining the game between anihilaitors, and there was no a single battle where there would not be at least one in battle making it clear from the beginning which would be the winning team.

[toxic cove]

real chads play this tier7 beast, not complain about it

why fighting against chaos if u can join it

@unique scaffold why deleting his greatness bdr g1b??????:(

[stiff edge]

ok

[remote oriole]

If you want to spread chaos you don‘t play an Annihilator. You defeat an Annihilator in a 1 vs 1 with an ARL V39

[unique scaffold]

Or just play a tier 8.

[formal rose]

Syndrome said it in the super incredible: "because in a world where everyone is super and no one will be super". If there is no longer variety in tier 7 many will lose interest in playing that tier and it will be useless to have an Anihilaitor if others have it, that is why I referred to the event where few played in tier 7 because besides being the tier with the most premium tanks it was safe to find an anihilaitor and it was not worth trying in that tier since it was 100% safe to find the most broken tank in tier 7 in platoon and that assured them the medal of brothers in arms.

[uneven narwhal]

Real chads don't need overpowered tanks to win

[leaden flare]

Better dpm than many T10s where the ... Did you pull that one from afaik all T10s have better dpm

[thorn iron]

Lol trying to scam ppl with a nitro link

[remote oriole]

Playing tier eight doesn‘t spread chaos

[proven jungle]

I’m looking for the reason for the different clusters.

[mental pasture]

Pfff you chickens play tier 8 to run away from Annihilators, I play tier 7 with T28 HTC to bonk in corners unaware Annihilators

[remote oriole]

The reason for the clusters is to improve the server‘s ability to handle a peak in players online. An additional benefit is that during updates and maintenance one cluster can keep running, thus significantly reducing the time you cannot play the game due to server unavailability.

[uneven narwhal]

Super Consumables 😔

[remote oriole]

The reason for super consumables is to increase the activity in this channel. It also secures the salt production for WG Salt, a subsidiary, and helps to ensure the lasting superiority of good players by linking them to high credit expenses and making them situational

[uneven narwhal]

WG salt lmao 💀

[formal rose]

Jajajajaja what a good joke, if so it only means that the Anihilaitor player was too novice and bought a broken tank, because it is a tank with which even an inexperienced can do a lot, the ARL V39 was very lucky, because in a 1vs1 the Anihilaitor can detect it before it has the mobility to flank it quickly and more if it uses a booster, although it does not need it, it only needs to cover its lower glasis to force you to use premium ammunition which lowers your damage per minute to 1600 it would need to hit 4 shots with maximum damage to destroy it while the frontally with the first magazine will hurt your charger and driver, damaging even more your damage per minute and mobility and if it goes to the side you are finished until it can detonate you, it only needs 30s and goodbye ARL, while This will need to use APCR 4 shots that in a 1vs1 the Anihilaitor is not going to face him closely towards his side something that would be strange that I do not think that the anihilaitor does not make and that all the shots make maximum Of damage😂 😆

[quasi axle]

what

[gleaming apex]

Halidt#2722 was banned

[formal rose]

Well, simple looking at the statistics of the tanks, and you leave me perplexed that you say that all tier 10 have the best damage per minute, play a little more and get to know the tanks because your words only make it clear to me that you are super nub ir a joker ... note that this comparison is of a tier 7 anihilaitor against tier 10 tanks.

[uneven narwhal]

Not trying to justify the anni but Kran or any autoreloader should not be judged on its paper DPM since in practical it's way higher

[leaden flare]

idk why the hell anyone would use vents on Anni so idk it might be you who is the noob

Kran has a clip + it shows the dpm on the longest reloading shot
2nd of all your kran is missing a provision at the very least cuz mine has more dpm and im running cs

the Yoh has more dpm unless you use the low dpm gun which im not using

and the difference to IS-4 isnt that much + T7 also has BP that has 3k dpm or Fv 201 a 45 with 3k dpm
You didnt even bother with the actual low dpm tanks like Maus and VK or E5 nowadays xD

maybe check your spelling too cuz idk DMP and maybe but just maybe overthink your colour choices because yellow on white does not work very well
and also sry to disappoint you 65% Super uni right here

[formal rose]

brother, is a tier 7 autoloader compared to tier 10 tanks, which are or have been META tanks, and if you notice the "overwhelming" difference (which should be in favor of tier 10 not against it) in their values ​​someone said : "all tier 10 have the best damage per minute" and the selection of components depends on the skill of each player, some opt for damage, others for penetration, but in the end being able to do more damage as quickly as possible gives an advantage to a tank in battle. you say who would use vents simple answer someone who knows where to shoot and not fail to reduce penetration if believe that is something illogical and impossible, this is your limit.

[leaden flare]

nah someone that likes a almost non existent bonus instead of a good bit of pen
rammer over cs i understand but using vents over cs sry to break it to you unless youre a FV4005 its dumb

also anni shouldnt be called a autoloader it has literally no autoloader feature since you cant trigger each shot individually and it releases all shots basically on trigger pull

[opaque talon]

All you need to do is run Bp over angle and wiggle and the most the Anni will pen is usually two out of the the shots whilst you are peppering him😊

[formal rose]

@leaden flare learn a little more about tanks, I have no interest in changing your opinion or teaching you about tanks.

My goal is in order for you to think about balancing the anihilaitor because the clan event showed how unbalanced this tank is even against premium tanks and that you need a tier 8 to try to battle a tier 7 makes it clear how broken it is . Although I know you rarely lower the stats of a premium tank😮‍💨

[leaden flare]

i never argued against it beeing broken
you instantly went and attacked me personally or rather called me names

i have few problems dealing with anni at t7 most likely because any really good player doesnt need a anni to perform good and usually stays out of T7
and yes thats also only possible because if i play T7 i play strong T7s the rest gets skipped
this is not to defend anni or smasher balancing because they just arent balanced

[wicked quest]

Isn’t that what you do though? You’ve tried like three times to sound smart teaching something from shot trajectory, Pc optical zoom and then stating pc has an advantage over mobile because of it?

If anything I think you need to learn a little more about the game also no one uses vents on autoloaders CS is better

[nimble zodiac]

Wahhh, Jg. Pz. IV is OP, it has better DPM then every tier 10 heavy except WZ-113, as a tier six. 😭😢🥺

[modest musk]

maus became way too bad... armor is like a tin can and her gun shoots like a 6 years old nerf

[winged barn]

Maus doesn't break game, needs buff

[wicked quest]

That bio is interesting and maus aint carrying hard enough it seems

[twin egret]

Kek

[formal rose]

huauuuu thank you for remembering me, I am not interested in sounding intelligent but thanks for the compliment, and I have only mentioned what I should fix because it takes away the realism of the game. Or it seems realistic to you that one tank can stick to another and that its cannon surpasses the other tank to shoot and cause damage or that close combat tanks can shoot from a distance and assume the role of other tanks and how strange because many values ​​have been scaled for the maps but it seems illogical and foolish to adjust a range there are many things that take away the realism of the game but of course it is only a game.

And as far as I know, this channel is to give an opinion on what you think is wrong and needs improvements, not to say everything is fine, it doesn't need changes.

[nimble zodiac]

Yes but when we counter your statement, we don't mean the statement that Annihilator is OP

Also that text wall has only three periods, that hurts me.

[wicked quest]

Also that was not a compliment

[unique scaffold]

Can’t you make an option where you don’t get bots on your team? These bots are so annoying

[nimble zodiac]

Make it through tier 7

[unique scaffold]

I still get bots

I’ve gotten 5 bots on my team once while using m vii yoh lol

[nimble zodiac]

through

[unique scaffold]

ok but still, like the bots have fully reloaded guns and don’t shoot for like 10 seconds, can’t you at least make them a little smarter?

[quasi axle]

no thanks I like bullying bots on my reroll!

[unique scaffold]

you say that until they’re on your team

[quasi axle]

You can carry easily in bot mm I have no issues

[faint stream]

ye no one cares

[swift flicker]

I got a good idea. Make tier 11 tanks

[rare sleet]

Instead of calling them tier 11, call them Super Tanks and give them a star emblem. Make them also much more costly to play with much worse repair costs than t10, but make them freely accessible to many players with a 1 exp research cost after you unlock the tier 10 underneath it.
Cough world of warships, Cough Cough

[spice silo]

How about you balance tier VII that is literally unplayable. Not that I care since I’m a tier X unicum player but new players or casual players will absolutely hate it. Imagine being a guy who just wants to play a game with his IS for example and the tryhard platoon of 3500 wn8+ people on double dracula just rolls in behind him

[stiff edge]

yooo a tier 10 unicum player we should all listen to his wise unicum words

[nimble zodiac]

Including your stats instantly harms your argument 😳

[rare sleet]

Agreed, if you cut out the "Not that I care since I'm a tier X unicum player but new players or casual players will absolutely hate it." The argument becomes way better and coherent because that sentence adds nothing of value to the main point.

[dry rivet]

Bragging about being a tier 10 unicum player is a...weird way to flex...I'm sorry, so that means one is unicum only in tier 10 and sucks in all the other tiers?

[uneven narwhal]

The anti-sealclubber 🥴

[spice silo]

I didnt mean to flex tho,what I meant was rather trying to point out that I care about casual players and their game play experience

[rare sleet]

But you could've proven you cared about casual players by removing that sentence, as it was completely pointless. No one needed to know you were a unicum player so most people would assume you were flexing. If you just stated that tier 7 is a mess and being a new player would be a struggle, your point comes across more genuine.

[spice silo]

You maybe right tho,my stats are rather shitty anyways,I get your point here.
But tbh I also feel like above Average players care more about their experience rather than overall good of the game.
I came back to blitz after 4 years and wow,it was so much easier for newer players to get to know the game back then.
For instance nowdays you have to fire gold at tier 7 broken premiums and tier 8s with casual tech tree tier 7s. They are just completely irrelevant against those vehicles unless you really know what you’re doing and that’s just sad.
Also another reason why I added that statement was cause in general wargaming pays more attention to what better players say but yeah,it would have been better without it probably.

[dry rivet]

I guess he was just trying to support his credibility :/ but being a tier 10 unicum is such an abstract way to promote oneself. No specific numbers to solidify the credibility.

[nimble zodiac]

<@&481447501690568709> =)

Don't encourage it lol

[gleaming apex]

César#1316 was banned

[unique scaffold]

Kinda random but idea for the Patton line: delete the T20, move everything down a tier and nerf everything JUST A LITTLE and lower hp and make the M60 the tier X. Everyone who bought the M60 gets the M60A2 aka M60 with different turret(stronger front weaker sides) and a 152mm(prob 560 alpha)

[nimble zodiac]

Oof, a medium with 560 alpha is really bold

@thin ermine nono, my problem is the armor

[thin ermine]

so is a light with 560 alpha but here we are

@nimble zodiac oh I see what u mean

[spice silo]

Makes No sense

[twin egret]

Make it slower ig, and the tank having near auto pen levels of side armour

[pliant bolt]

Should Pz.IV Gargoyle should deleted from WoTB?

[full token]

Won’t happen. Not the most problematic tanks and the more problematic ones are still in the game

[mental pasture]

If you see bots in NA server and you have a tier 7 tank or higher in your garage, you're just lying. Bad players are not bots.

[pliant bolt]

To balance that thing they give a realy terrible rld time in 12 seconds

[unique scaffold]

Don’t use diseases as comparisons here

[quasi axle]

Actually there are bots up to tier 7

[safe rapids]

No thank you. Learn to play the T20, it’s a great tank imo. Same with whole US medium line. All the tanks are fine, if you struggle in them it’s a you problem.

[quasi axle]

nah t20 pretty bad

[safe rapids]

It’s got speed, gun depression, great pen and fantastic APCR rounds, high(er) alpha than average. People make it out to be bad when it really isn’t.

[leaden flare]

its not just bad its horrible just like the entire line up to t9

[safe rapids]

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS!!!

People ALWAYS think the Patton line sucks. Well, let me tell you from experience as a sub-par player, that it does not. Both Shermans are fine, the T20 like i mentioned is workable, the Pershing is fantastic (deal with it), and the M46 is very good. Naturally for high skill players it's very limiting because the entire line has a low skill ceiling, so that's why they call it "bad" because they can't get the same results with a tank that suits their playstyle. HOWEVER, it's a great line for newbies and any competent player can perform well in any tank through the line.

Please don't argue with me, i am pretty much known as a Pershing lover and that's just me. :/

[winged barn]

Pershing is fantastic? Bruh.
It would be an acceptable tier 7
It's not a tier 8 worthy tank.
Otherwise I agree with you

[full token]

Where’s the 8.2 and 8.3 stats?

[mental pasture]

Pershing was a nice Panther destroyer in world war 2 and a nice T-34-85 destroyer in Korean war, what about making it fight a Tiger 2, an IS-3, T-44s, and even nuclear vehicles like T28 Def?

And what mostly mocks the Pershing is the fact that even it's tier 7 version (T26E3 iirc, that Pershing of Cologne) performs better than the actual tier 8 version

[safe rapids]

Well I'm also weird as a self-appointed Pershing lover, I personally really enjoyed the tank, imbalanced as Tier VIII is. You do you though. It could do with a bit more DPM and maybe a standard pen increase to 190, but overall it's a pretty nice vehicle. Sorry if I offend anyone, but in my opinion the statistics of the tank don't matter if it's a reliable, comfortable tank to play in, which it is in my opinion.

[quasi axle]

If you're tryna argue a tank is good you can't just be like stats don't matter

[safe rapids]

What I'm trying to say is that stats don't always mean a tank is bad. A statistically "good" tank might not fit for some people, and a "statistically bad" tank vice versa. Not every "good" tank should mean that everyone who plays in it should enjoy playing it. A more accurate description of the Pershing isn't that it's "good", but rather underrated or a "niche tank".

Also I'm sick of people hating on me because I love the Pershing, lol. Just deal with it, I like the Pershing, chill out. : )

[balmy obsidian]

There is no Balance

[winged barn]

I personally love the kv5, and somehow do quite well with it.
But there is no way in hell I am going to call it a good tank.

A bad tank is a bad tank. It doesn't matter how much you like it, it will remain bad

[quasi axle]

A tank with bad stats can be fun, a tank with bad stats cannot be good

[mental pasture]

I'm a T28 HTC Stan and usually I say it's a very good tier 7, even if deep down I know it's very under average but unlike on Pershing, the T28 HTC is just an under estimated tank. It's really good.

[prisma jetty]

I’m an STA-1 stan, and I still say the tank is bad. The Pershing is honestly workable at best, having not much armor, not too much speed, and an okay gun. But hey, at least it’s not the Spersh.

[unique scaffold]

Lmao I checked them, their stats are all null, I’m not lying bozo.

[mental pasture]

And what is your max tier?

[quasi axle]

there are bots up to tier 7 (up to 500 or 550 battles), no point arguing over a fact
tier 8 and higher there are no more bots

[unique scaffold]

As long as they are evenly spread between teams why does it matter who you’re playing with and against?

[dry rivet]

The M48 Patton is nearly identical to the M60, just with a different armor profile and slightly worse aiming time. I find that there is little to no need to even do what you say. The T20 is average, the Pershing might need a slight buff, the M46 is fine as is, and so is the M48 Patton. And we do not need an M60 Starship in the game as a tier 10.

[unique scaffold]

If the Starship were to happen I think we all know it would be as a collector’s vehicle.

That I would promptly buy.

Make it a tier IX. It would go well with the KPF

[prisma jetty]

The main point of the M60A2 was to a put gun capable of launching ATGMs on a mobile, low profile chassis. I think it would fit really well into tier 10 with a strong turret front that has a hatch to balance it out.

[dry rivet]

maybe so, but I do not agree with shoving the tanks in the Patton line down a tier. The M48 deserves its place in tier 10, the M46 in tier 9, the pershing in tier 8 and the T20 in tier 7.

[unique scaffold]

It would have made more sense to include it if WG hadn’t (unfortunately) pulled missiles from the game.

Sadly now I doubt it’ll happen.

[prisma jetty]

I never said I wanted to kick the M48 down a tier. I actually agree with Spart, I think it's be a wonderful collector. I think it missiles has stayed and were given to the Kpf along with adding the M60, the game could've been more interesting.

[unique scaffold]

Them caving on missiles still bothers me.

[dry rivet]

sorry I didn't mean you. If you scroll up, there's this guy who suggested moving the tier 7-10 Patton line tanks down a tier.

[distant river]

The eagle is a nice balanced tier 7, and equivalent or better than the persh...

Persh wins on top speed, pen/prammo pen and gun handling
Eagle wins on having super speed boost and significantly better armour
It's a personal preference with a difference of a whole tier, the persh is fun sure but it's also awful. Like almost every 90mm tier 8 med it needs 240 alpha keeping the same reload and then some other changes like a mantlet buff

[outer glen]

The mantlet tho

[stray verge]

finally someone who agrees that 90mm meds need more dpm and need help

[drowsy plaza]

I think most do.

The Pershing mantlet is a travesty. It didn’t used to be like that, but a fair ways ago it was ‘fixed’ (3.1 ish with a lot of other US tank mantlets)

[safe rapids]

IMO the mantlet does need buffing, and really the problem is the sides on the side of the turret, that one bulge creates a weakspot. WG already increased it to 90 mm, but they should probably buff it again to 100-115mm

[mental pasture]

Or you simply lack of skill, or you simply didn't get the top nodules

[quasi axle]

This seems like a player issue 🤨

[mental pasture]

Do you think that the players from competitive clans also lose that much?

[full token]

Check your teams and confirm that it’s rigged. Just having a low WR doesn’t mean you were rigged against. There are some other reasons that can be applied too 🙂

[quasi axle]

simply check stats