#tank-balance-discussion

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full token
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Worst tier 10 heavy maybe
The VK72 is doing fine as a tier 10

distant river
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Why would you want to get to a spot early, get shots in as the reds cross to the spot potentially holding them back giving an early advantage? And then after that it's whether you want to sit in that position hoping it's useful all game and that you won't need to use all your hp, or whether you want to use your mobility to force the game to pan out how you want it.

  1. advantageous yes, able to decide an entire game no matter what the reds do?
  2. how do you know they are going to be there? You don't have the mobility to rotate if you guess wrong and sitting in the middle of the map is generally not a way to be useful the whole game
  3. so now you are back to relying on your team and relying on never having to move from your unbeatable position that doesn't exist on most maps?
  4. find a position like this for me where they cat pull back or rotate or simply not expose to you then 😂
  5. Farming doesn't take out guns or make you closer to a win like effective damage from a med does. Good luck winning a 1v5 every game
nimble zodiac
bitter fjord
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@distant river you know you are talking to like the best heavy player in na right?

nimble zodiac
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“like”

Savior of this man

bronze osprey
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if you think the mk6 is a camping tank, and a heavy that cant be heavy, then that would be the same for e5, is7, fv heavy, and 113

@unique scaffold m8 you said its boring to play a heavy like a medium, if anyone plays an is7 against other genuine heavy tanks then they are playing is7 wrong. Because that just not what the is7 was made to do, and same can be said with all of the tanks that i said

unique scaffold
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Man🤦‍♀️📸

leaden flare
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imagine not using chieftains gd

nimble zodiac
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Stop using armor against heavies as an argument, it’s a medium hunter

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The Chieftain is a medium hunter, that does not mean it can't block damage, because it often can, when played correctly

It may be a heavy tank, but not all heavy tanks are all about soaking up damage, and heck, with the HP, Chieftain can still soak more than mediums. Don't use the tank type as the ultimate indicator of how to play the tank. You use the knowledge of other tanks, map positions, and the stats of your own tank to determine how to play it. The stats don't point to an armored heavy like Maus, which is the ideal heavy for tanking damage. It points to a medium hunter, meant to go and out-trade mediums at their own field, using the higher DPM than other heavies to brawl the mediums and beat them at their DPM to HP war.

The Pz. II J is a light tank, but you don't play it like a light tank, you play it as a heavy. Why? Because of its stats. It is very armored and slow, and is capable of brawling most tanks into defeat.

static igloo
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Chieftain mk6 is so expensive

bitter fjord
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@unique scaffold so the 50b should be a medium tank tf

nimble zodiac
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Then play the right heavy tank, use IS-4 or Maus if you wanna do some dancing with your plates.

If all heavies were designed for the same thing, they'd be boring and lack their own special qualities

full token
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Use the same gun for both tanks if you want to compare armor. Not every battle is a 1v1 of those two tanks. It’s also not a fair comparison when tanks have different penetration

nimble zodiac
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You've only compared their armor ._.
So you're not actually completely comparing them, especially since you've mentioned nothing about IS-7's stats and how they contribute to its playstyle

Chieftain is a medium hunter, not a medium. If it had better traverse speeds, then it would simply be too good at its job in some aspects, it doesn't need a buff, it's fine how it is. Learn the new playstyle it presents

leaden flare
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Hes not going into detail at all
doesnt take into account heavy gameplay isnt braindead rushing
doesnt take into account that chieftain is play hulldown with a huge dpm advantage
i feel like arguing with him is useless because he doesnt understand how to play at all

@unique scaffold sry to disappoint you im not a huge toon player the only toons i have rn are with someone that im teaching the game before that ive had 60d+ with 0% toonrate so do your research right

nimble zodiac
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Dang, I'm on NA 😩

Eh, I'm tired anyways, not too much into Blitz rn, letting the community calm down and get used to the Yoh line

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Player stats. Irrelevant.

Again, it's not a super easy tank to play, but it can be used effectively, and the drawbacks are fair to the advantages

leaden flare
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one of the most skilled players ? that dude barely has any super uni stats

gleaming apexBOT
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dynoSuccess Odelic#2702 has been warned.

leaden flare
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look me up im not quitting tanks after 1 battles just do your research right

leaden flare
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did he delete all his messages or did someone else ?

drowsy plaza
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😎

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I deleted the Screenshot - but I think he removed the rest.

nimble zodiac
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Gargoyle: Nightmare but with its problems solved

tough urchin
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literally

scarlet fjord
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IS-7 dpm to 2650 with rammer? or even 2700

ruby dagger
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Buff the Tier 7 and 8 Yoh's, they really suck!

drowsy plaza
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Tier 7 is a little lackluster.

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The 8 is fine and honestly might need a nerf.

prisma jetty
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The tier 8 doesn't suck, it's basically a different Emil 1. The tier 7 is bad, but that's because the T29 is so over powered that there's no point to playing the Yoh

drowsy plaza
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The tier 7 is a Annihilator with a T29 Gun and less speed and DPM.

bronze osprey
scarlet fjord
# bronze osprey is that 2650 with adrenaline or nah? Because dual food, and rammer on is7 is 258...

sorry i didnt elaborate properly
IS-7 with gun rammer, double fuel and extra combat ration currently is 2551 buff to 2651 or 2700 is what I'm saying
not including adrenaline
when i play it i try to spam adrenaline and get like 3k DPM with delivery system module and basically play it like a med so like in 90% of the situations i dont need APCR just fire AP but it needs a DPM buff cuz its below average DPM for a heavy let alone heavium my point of view is that heaviums should have nice DPM despite its great 460 alpha its bad pen will balance its good alpha and good DPM combo since it will force u to flank around and use your head

full token
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The tank is fine rn. There’s no need to buff a decent tier X just because it isn’t as good as the rest of its tank class which already is strong

scarlet fjord
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my way is the fun way ok? :D

unique scaffold
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why are m6's armor so broken

quasi axle
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m6 or m6 exp

zealous vessel
zealous vessel
quasi axle
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the mobility

twin egret
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give Lorraine 100mm

orchid grove
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AMX needs its 4th shell back. It wasn't that broken when it had 4 shells, and now that heavies have more HP, it'd be fine

leaden flare
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Imo heavies in general don't need any buffs atm since they are overly dominant anyway
They get DPM,hp,pen and even viewrange

twin egret
full token
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Ribble said the charts are ready but theyll publish with 8.0 stats :(( Thats near the end of this month maybe

twin egret
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ooh

nimble zodiac
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The armor T28 needed

@full token well then why did they buff it at all when TS-5 was coming? 👀

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full token
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But then that TS-5 won’t look so good and won’t sell so much

full token
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they buffed it, but still put in a better tank. The only advantage the t28 could have is consumables

kindred spindle
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Realistic Mode should have friendly fire

full token
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no

sand pine
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Realistic mode should hide markers and name tags of all players, hide the hp bars as well

winged barn
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Friendly fire, such a great idea. Now the troll can hurt my team even more

mental pasture
full token
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it doesnt make it any more fun either. Just makes you accidentally hit a lot of teammates and change the outcome of the battle. Aside from the ones who will intentionally abuse it

mental pasture
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Why 51 guys think that the yoh tracks are op? All it does is avoid being perma tracked.
Anyone dies because couldn't perma track a tank.

quasi axle
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uh what

full token
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because its an extra feature with zero drawbacks, added on a tank that would perform just fine without, with trackwheels that are already harder to destroy than usual, and it noobproofs the tank because you can pull forwards out of cover knowing youll never be permatracked

crystal halo
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I mean it’s regular reverse speed isn’t great, and -4 is not anything to get excited over

full token
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-4 on flat ground. More than -4 if you’re hulldown or just going on sloped ground. -4 is pretty nice compared to the -15kph heavies tend to get. It’s still not good imo to put out features like it that don’t take away anything from the tank. Maybe they could’ve delayed the track repair time so the player had to stop reversing if they wanted to start repairing their tracks

autumn zodiac
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the issue is

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if someone pushes you, that counts as movement

crystal halo
full token
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Maybe if WG could find a way to only consider it when the player reverses on their own and not when they get pushed? Rn the game has the movement indicators that only show when you move the joystick/press the button. So it should be possible to detect when the player is moving the tank themselves and only then consider it for resetting the cooldown or pausing it

twin egret
full token
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bad players would still know how to hit still objects, like teammates who arent moving because they dont expect their teammate to attack them

winged barn
drowsy plaza
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‘Friendly Fire’ isn’t. Most who ask for it back come from the post FF Blitz age.

twin egret
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on PC, FF doesn't hurt allies anymore, the shells bounce/richochet/absorbed/not penetrate

remote oriole
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Friendly fire adds no value to the game, quite contrarily it only increases the arsenal of anti-team-players

sharp saddle
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Pretty much, I’m sure we don’t need to give the trolls more reason to troll.
Friendly fire will just be a headache for everyone

twin egret
unique scaffold
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Would the AT 15 still be balanced if you give the OQF 17-pdr AT gun heavy a better accuracy.i mean it does 200 dmg and it is kinda like a shootgun-hitting not realy from far away-.

full token
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its quite accurate already, and its a stock gun, so its not meant to be too powerful

leaden flare
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Iirc it's the most accurate gun and you have 4k DPM so missing doesn't even hurt you

flat bane
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FF at T10 with 183s toon trolls is no

full token
thick rover
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Buff is7 gun handling pl3z

twin egret
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make FV215b more accurate

nimble zodiac
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WHAT?!

fallow eagle
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Give fv215b more hp

twin egret
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yeah give it 2700 like on PC

flat bane
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What the omega oof 💀 💀

leaden flare
zealous vessel
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Give the The Fv215b183 more armor.

nimble zodiac
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No.

sharp saddle
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183 is fine where it is

nocturne mauve
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Woooow another black prince buff?!? This tank only needs nerfs

full token
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have to make that smasher and annihilator get powercrept 🙂

simple idol
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WG said there is a tier 7 rebalance so is this mean Smasher and Annihilator nerf?

sharp saddle
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Doubtful

hollow basin
teal palm
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Black Prince is a frontline HT
Giving it less gun handling is probably the last thing it needed nerfing

winged barn
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Its gun is so spammy that missing doses really matter

safe rapids
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Yeah I miss all the time in it, its a CQC bully tank not a sniper.

drowsy plaza
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@simple idol buffing meds most likely.

fallow raptor
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Give to the leopard1 a strong gun mantlet like the tvp?

nimble zodiac
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DPM monster, can you wanna let it hulldown?

nocturne mauve
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They are out of their minds for buffing black prince again

simple idol
drowsy plaza
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One could argue the BP, Tiger I and T29 are also to blame. The fact is tier 7 and 8 meds are significantly underwhelming compared to the tiers heavies.

naive meteor
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Yeeeeee

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unique scaffold
vital basalt
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also it has the worst accuracy at tier 10,worst effective hp/t at tier 10,worst camo at tier 10 and its paper,yep definetely balanced
im not saying it needs buff btw

lean gate
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Yeaaaaah perfectly balanced

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remote oriole
nimble zodiac
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I'm just gonna say it's that low because people aren't very good at playing it

Also it's very team dependent, so it's a riskier play in the first place

unique scaffold
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Someone has to be at the bottom, no better tank for it than the 183.

bitter fjord
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Buff td dpm or something so they can compete against heavy tanks who have tons of hp. Rn a heavy fan rush a td or trade with it and still win which is ridiculous

lean gate
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I said that before
And i will say it again
HT- nefr view rang and dpm
MT- buff dpm and a little bit pen
TDs- buff camos and alpha
Light -buff mobility and view range
And everything will be good

quasi axle
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Don't need to nerf heavy dpm just nuke the view range

median blade
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Get rid of VK72 frontal hull " small middleplate " ( the one between upper and lower plate ) weak spot by buffing the armor from 240 to 280-300mm, pretty please.

full token
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td alpha buff will just torture mediums even more

unique scaffold
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Why doesn't WG do anything about the Foch and Foch 155? They are too OP in their tier. They literally have everything a TD needs.
Good Armor
Crazy Dpm
Great mobility
Descent accuracy
Good concealment

@PurpleSnapper#2674 I do think it is. Probably nerf the Armor and mobility to balance it.

flat kraken
nimble zodiac
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They are definitely not OP, the armor may work, but it still have a handful of weakspots. The mobility is good, but not so great. The gun is what they’re about, and the guns they have often don’t favor sniping, encouraging them to nullify their decent concealment. Also low HP is a thing

unique scaffold
# nimble zodiac They are definitely not OP, the armor may work, but it still have a handful of w...

The cupolas are spaced Armor no it doesn't count as a weak spot.
And even Maus has weak spots on the front but we don't say it's Armor isn't good. And the lower plate of the Foch is too small to be seen from a distance if they're camping and if they're near they have the good mobility to keep moving and hide it.

50kmph is the same as most of tier 10 MTs
The Foch has 400 alpha which is good enough.

Foch 155 has 560 I think or 640 ( not sure).

1800 HP is enough for such a strong TD.

And yeah, armored TDs shall stay at 2nd line and not just Camp.

People don't talk about it much because it's not too common, which idk why but that doesnt matter. Each tank should be balanced in a game which is not ATM.

full token
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The cupolas are pennable in the middle region. The two sides are spaced armor and won’t do any damage. With 8.1 it’ll be more obvious the middle is what needs to be hit

prisma jetty
nimble zodiac
# unique scaffold The cupolas are spaced Armor no it doesn't count as a weak spot. And even Maus ...

The cupola is a weakspot, when shot in the middle, as well as the MG port. If it wants to keep its distance, premium ammunition is quite good at penetrating the upper plate, as well as the Foch's effectiveness is reduced not only by accuracy over distance, but by the opportunities it must wait for. The side armor is very weak, preventing the Foch from reliably combating several targets, and forces it to seclude itself away from multiple enemies. As far as tier 9 is concerned, Foch performs as good as the top 4 heavies in tier 9, and happens to be singled out as OP

Now to use top speed as a metric for mobility is a little bit misleading, IS-7 also has the same top speed forward, it's the effective engine power that makes the difference. Foch also won't find itself in many situations where it gets to use the top parts of its speed

last shadow
real bison
charred beacon
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I hate the foch line but do well on it

unique scaffold
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Well ok I think I am the only one who thinks its op but... I have not encountered many Fochs and yes I know prammo can butter through it but still always loading prammo ( because most of the times the lower plate isn't visible) to pen a TD is not favorable..

prisma jetty
safe rapids
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Foch 155 needs 640 alpha back on stock gun

last shadow
real bison
unique scaffold
plush scroll
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buff dem smasher give it a 12 shot clip of iits current damage with an extra 2s of relod

sterile bolt
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Buff IS-7's ammo rack

thick rover
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And gun handling pweese

nimble zodiac
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Perhaps a small bump in damage per shot, or a small dip in reload time will help it keep damage per battle, since it hasn't been too good at that in the statistics 😅

But in the scope of tier 10 it's well balanced

IS-7? @plush scroll

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plush scroll
stray verge
orchid grove
nimble zodiac
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It's autobounce or damage dealt at Foch's side

winged barn
nimble zodiac
unique scaffold
shy isle
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can somedays they lower 25% RNG? it just too high

fallow raptor
glass bronze
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increase panther's turret rotation

sharp saddle
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Panther doesn’t need anything

plush scroll
drowsy plaza
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@shy isle we no longer have +/-25% RNG for Pen and DMG

safe rapids
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@lusty silo Please don’t nerf the pen of the AMX M4 45, the gun is the only thing that makes it good. Please reconsider and instead consider balancing tanks that need nerfs like the T29 or Tiger I which got completely over the top and unneeded buffs. I know this is is early and we don’t even know the actual adjustments but the pen does not need changing on the AMX M4 and it will make grinding the AMX 50 100 even harder.

quasi axle
winged barn
vital basalt
safe rapids
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The armor doesn’t need a buff it’ll just put players off even more when they get to tiers 8 and 9 of the line. M4 45 already has more armor now than the pre-buff Tiger I, I think that’s enough unless WG introduces an armored French heavy line (which is unlikely since the M4 54 is a collector). Hope these changes never go into effect if WG didn’t make a typing mistake.

vernal plume
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I personally think that the Turtle Mk.1 needs a speed buff, or dpm. Because once i am on my way to the battlefield sometimes i get outspotted and get clapped for 400 dmg. I think the armor doesn't really needs a buff, just the mobility or dpm so it haves atleast something going for it. 2.9k dpm when fully equipped with the correct provisions is just not enough. And it is as slow as an AT-15 wich haves more dpm, armor and the same speed. Maybe give it the special speed boost idk. But the tank is so boring when u can't block dmg and that u are not quick enough to take aggressive positions

timber wing
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Shh kiddies we all know Sp * c needs a buff the most

vernal plume
quasi axle
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Smh getting a 4.3k game doesn't mean the tank is good

paper dock
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I mean sta-1 need buff speed he have no Armor and can be he on the flanc for 40km/h...

leaden flare
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Have you ever HEd someone on the flank for 40kmh
I didn't either he must be some astral creature to hit people not with DMG but speed

jagged crescent
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The t9’s yoh armor profile is weird

quasi axle
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Sta needs a gun handling buff!

safe rapids
versed tide
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give sta like dpm and some more speed

queen elbow
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STA Rin camo not showing in battle is a travesty

shy isle
full token
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Damage has +/-25% RNG, since its upto 25% difference from the average alpha usually. Penetration is only 5%, but it used to be 25% before

unique scaffold
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This is why SU-100Y needs nerf

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wicked sluice
vernal plume
sharp saddle
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There isn’t even one in that game

last shadow
wicked quest
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You all missed that it’s a su 100 in that match not the Y variant except Martin

vernal plume
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When SU-100 f(x)=mx+q?

remote oriole
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Since f(x) = mx + q = Y we already have it in the form of the SU-100Y

coarse harness
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If they nerf the pen on the M4 45 but leave it on the ARL I will lose all that tiny remaining hope for balance in this game I still have

nimble zodiac
nocturne mauve
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Heavy superiority

drowsy plaza
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@coarse harness same gun - so it would transfer. But it does have better pen than the Tiger- a small nerf wouldn’t affect it at all.

uneven narwhal
safe rapids
# coarse harness If they nerf the pen on the M4 45 but leave it on the ARL I will lose all that t...

It appears WG will buff the armor but that is a bad idea since players will be more clueless about the AMX 50 100. The M4 45 is a transitional vehicle and buffing the armor is one of the dumbest ideas. The pen according to the RU forums (a staff post) shows the standard pen will go from 212 to 200 and it will affect the AMX 50 100, AMX 50 120, and ARL 44.
Whoever is in charge of balancing has no idea what really needs buffed and nerfed. Anyone who has any connection to WG should stop this useless and clueless change, I have lost hope for the balancing team.
EDIT: It's not a terrible pen nerf but WG should buff the 105 mm to compensate. Standard pen to 175, anyone?

drowsy plaza
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Armor buff is a terrible idea - unless they are going to add the heavier heavy line (and split from the 7) - what the tank needed was a touch more mobility.

full token
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Gets better, it might even be a mobility nerf:
AMX M4 45 . Reduced the speed of rotation of both suspension bogies.
The stock gun has been removed, now the 90 mm F3 gun is stock
. The armor of the VLD, the machine gun mask, the mechanical drive hatch, the armor around the gun, the armor of the sides are strengthened.

safe rapids
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Yeah, maybe WG will add an armored French heavy line. I drew up a proposal without the M4 54 in it and it looks pretty good. And, it doesn’t have the AMX 65 t! I could post the full version of it later if I have time. It basically moves the M4 51 up a tier and gives it better guns, adds the AMX 50 with the TCB 120 turret and the guns of the M4 51 (this is actually historical), and adds the AMX M4 48 at Tier VIII with the top turret and 120 mm of the AMX 65 t as an option. @drowsy plaza Only problem is, Wargaming doesn’t care.

full token
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Also i really really hope that the TS-5 isnt being released as it is rn. Its quite strong and would pretty much be a better T28 behind a paywall. Theres already a Legendary camo and leaks about crate info...

safe rapids
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Hopefully WG remodels the T28 and improves the armor.

nimble zodiac
full token
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They did, but the Ts-5 exists, and it’s better than the buffed version, and for some reason WG will bother to test a tier 6 and tier 5 tank but they won’t put the tier 8 tank through their testing

orchid grove
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Personally I think giving the AMX M4 45 an autoloading version of the DCA 45 would have been enough to balance it; while also making it more consistent with its bigger brothers

safe rapids
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Naw, that’s weird. I think maybe WG could give it a higher alpha damage to set it apart from the other 90mm guns and to compensate for that pen nerf…maybe 240? All in all though the armor buff is dumb, unless WG introduces non auto loading armored French heavies then I don’t want this change to happen. I’ll post my proposal of armored French heavies later today, I think WG should take input from players on new lines in the future. At least give us polls on what they should do first!

unique scaffold
tidal palm
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Buff kv-2 and nerf anni

unique scaffold
winged barn
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It kinda is

drowsy plaza
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@full token Ts-5 isn’t in test - yet

full token
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theres already a legendary camo and leaks about crate info. To me that doesnt seem likely for it to go into test

twin egret
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datamining has revealed the TS-5 will be in crates

sharp saddle
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I feel if they intended to test it they would have done it last update or earlier, since my guess is it will come around independence celebrations but that’s just my thoughts

The usual pattern I’ve noticed is the tank gets put in an update, so the tanks stats gets revealed - goes through live server testing - then crates for the tank/legendary camo get revealed.
Recent examples of this from the top of my head; Object 260, Somua SM, Skoda T-27, Turtle, LT-432

With TS-5, the tank has been put in, has the crates and camo revealed, but not tested. Just guesswork really

copper tartan
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can we nerf tier ten yoh??????? so OP the two shot is like come on

brave heron
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I feel like it fine though

flat bane
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🗿

ruby dagger
drowsy plaza
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900 dmg in 1.7 sec

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It’s like a TD with HP

twin egret
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and a turret

nimble zodiac
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A 183 with its problems solved 🤷‍♂️

winged barn
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Why play a t110e4 when I could play an e100 yoh

nimble zodiac
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Prammo pen funn y

flat bane
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I like shooting at the side of E4s

twin egret
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shooting the side of an E4 envokes some emotion that I can't describe

rustic hemlock
unique scaffold
weary scaffold
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Is -25% dmg really necessary? Also is this the lowest possible roll?

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leaden flare
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Yoh has some unmodeled weakspots on the turret you can HE pen even in meds

@weary scaffold it's not 480 is the lowest

tidal palm
civic topaz
zealous vessel
unique scaffold
uneven narwhal
tidal palm
uncut pine
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lmao

leaden flare
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no you didnt decrease from 56% because of them but because you didnt play on the lvl of a 56%er

nimble zodiac
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👀

sharp saddle
distant river
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Stop getting stressed because some arbitrary stats on a mobile game got slightly lower is the best advice I can give :)

unique scaffold
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@onyx mulch read the pinned messages

unique scaffold
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Pls nerf vickers CR dmg

minor minnow
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The T92 has 560, and the Batchat has 310(x3)

unique scaffold
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Why anihilator exist 😭

uneven narwhal
unique scaffold
# minor minnow The T92 has 560, and the Batchat has 310(x3)

But vickers CR is shooting faster so it can do more dmg with its reload.and also it is fast what makes it harder to hit.so it can cyrcle every tank like jgt e100 ,obj.268 etc. The other both also can,but they have a longer reload and t92e1 and batchat do not have 105 HE

zealous vessel
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Nerf vickers cr, It outplays batchat in every way.

vernal plume
hearty steeple
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Batchats have 310x3.
Bourrasque is the one with 320x2. When someone says batchat, they usually refer to the lights, even tho bourrasque has the same prefix

Edit: and in this context they are definitely refering to batchat ap

scenic hound
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can you make a penalty system to discourage trolling/afk like if you do less than 10% of your tank's hp you lose 8% of your credits and if you have more than 10 million credits you lose a million? the current system of reporting afks/trolls is ineffective, with no drawback, because in reality nobody cares about the military honor system, unless you do unsporting conduct and he gets a ban for an hour, but it doesn't stack for repeat offenders, credits unless your account is maxed out buying all the tanks and 350 million credits, which is like 2%, is an essential part of the game for the rest of the players, and no troll is going to have a maxed out account, that's 1% of 1% if there is one, in conclusion, its much more effective for punishing and discouraging afk and trolling

nimble zodiac
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The proportional loss system from your own credit balance, not the credit award from the battle, is a bit much.

It would detriment unlucky players much more than trolls who don’t care about their credit balance, and can play off of the premium they hijacked when they started the game

unique scaffold
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Pleas buff the cuppola of tortoise it realy needs it

nimble zodiac
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Maybe we should start with the hull first 😂

sharp saddle
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Yeah uh it won’t do much

full token
unique scaffold
outer glen
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Balans suggestion: replace conqueror turret with the wot pc version of conqueror dont disturb with others things it will be ok #makeithappens

outer glen
unique scaffold
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Nice. 2 matches with tortoise and both lost.pls give it the armor that it has on pc

safe rapids
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@outer glen Agreed, replace stock turret with current one that is buffed, and top turret is the stock one with the spaced armor. Add the spaced armor on the FV215b too. AND, buff the Caernarvon turret and buff the alpha damage to like 210 (maybe even give it the 32pdr with 300 damage).

nimble zodiac
unique scaffold
outer glen
jagged crescent
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heat

nimble zodiac
outer glen
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Tort still have that big copula tho jagd doesnt at least tort have a weakspot on the top and the mobilty is horrific
@unique scaffold bruh need prem shells to pen meanwhile tort only regular shells can ezly go through even tort have bigger cheeks and jagd have more mobilty

unique scaffold
nimble zodiac
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Buffed Tortoise vs Jagdtiger, tested by Lowe, using it's respectable gun

Jagd has a large LFP while Totoise is untouchable except for a tiny spot. With prammo Jagd is done for with only a mantlet, Tortoise gets troll armor around its mantlet.

We can say Tortoise is fine against Jagd, because of its gun traverse abilities over Jagd, in trade of its speed disadvantage

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outer glen
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If its angled lowe cant pen jagd upper plate and cheeks are smaller than tort and tort even angled lowe still can pen and have that big copula

unique scaffold
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This was from the 120 mm of an M-V YoH.in the t8 AT i got bounces on both checks from t8/9

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nimble zodiac
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You gotta learn how to screenshot from the PC/laptop 😂

But yeah, the last argument I have is that Tortoise should be painful to play to discourage/hinder players from getting to 183

Okay that's fair, I assumed that it wasn't a switch because you didn't have the role :p

unique scaffold
whole nebula
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I’d like the face hugging to damage the shooter aswell, to give turretless tanks a chance fending off things. Teams are so bad there’s no spotting…And the m3yoh seriously needs a turret turn buff, and better terrain crossing, it just has no reliable armour and can’t even react to changes

drowsy plaza
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The tier 8 Yoh probably needs a nerf not a buff.

whole nebula
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I’m not feeling the same way about it… but glad you’re enjoying it lol

unique scaffold
outer glen
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Play it correctly u will be fine

vocal shard
sudden path
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There are a lot of tanks that I would buff over the conq...

Caernarvon shouldnt get an alpha buff. It should get a 25 pdr just as an option

thick rover
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I feel like conqueror doesn't need buff especially with those consumables, the turret is trolly enough

autumn zodiac
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The turret on base Conquerer sucks

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*I mean Conquerer by base not Super Conquerer

ruby dagger
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The M-III-Yoh needs a turret armor buff.

stone rivet
stray verge
jagged crescent
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Ik this isn't exactly balance related but did WG ever come up with some type of function that prevents players from entering the game based off their packet loss/ping. Like if their ping is REALLY bad, then they won't be able to enter a game

sudden path
uneven narwhal
# scenic hound can you make a penalty system to discourage trolling/afk like if you do less tha...

Everyone has bad games now and then and not everyone plays the game with the mentality of being a 60%er and trying your hardest to win every game
This is a mobile game and majority of the players are just people who randomly play this game without giving much thought to it
Punishing such players with cred losses is a bit harsh

And if you do get a troll, you can send a ticket to Wargaming Player Support and they will deal with the troll giving the appropriate punishment (hopefully)

jagged crescent
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WG, Support, and Appropriate Punishment, do not mix at all

unique scaffold
fallow raptor
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In my opinion, the wg to balance the bat chat 25t could act in 2 different ways:

  • could create a lightweight to play aggressive, giving it 350 alpha dmg and 2.5 seconds between hits

Or it might

  • give it 4 rounds in the magazine, with 350 alpha dmg, extending the total reload time to 30 seconds
    What do you think about it?
twin egret
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just give it the alpha, keep the same interclip reload, or extend it

imo the bat chat doesn't need any changes atm

unique scaffold
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How can it be that i have a 60% wn8 on the tortoise

nimble zodiac
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I mean, good teams

unique scaffold
nimble zodiac
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Conqueror is literally about the gun

unique scaffold
nimble zodiac
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Fortunately Conqeror has a turret

unique scaffold
winged barn
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The turret+ great HE makes the conq gun work nicely

candid steeple
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My thing with monster dpm tanks is that they should sacrifice armor for it. Why Jag is OP right now is because it's idiot proof against lower tiers and still has that monster dpm.

Also Tortoise and AT line should be painful to grind since 183 is so anti fun to play against. Also I like with jag don't like the idea of buffing tanks armor to be from nothing to too much and still leave dpm intact. But oh well that's WG ,it's not like they care about balance.

leaden flare
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Jag isnt OP unless you sit on open field and let it farm you
its slow, is one big weakspot with gold, has very vulnerable engine making it easy to set on fire or just dmg the engine and its huge so very hard to miss

stray verge
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The gun is no doubt a good gun, but the gun is simply not enough.

Yes, the gun handling is superb. Yes, shooting cheap HESH at certain spots and penning can be satisfying. But the gun is 6/10 for these reasons. APCR pen while good enough still leaves some to be desired, DPM while it isn’t not bad does not even compare with mediums and TDs, and when you’re armor isn’t that good, the Conqueror is bound to be overshadowed by TDs.

Conqueror of course should not get a gun buff if anything. Conqueror in fact would be fine with a usable turret, except the turret is only 220mm thick.

Conway other than gun handling (which reticle exists), a small mantlet that shouldn’t be relied on anyways, and less HP overshadows the Conqueror

unique scaffold
unique scaffold
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For real now tortoise needs better cuppola. I got -900 becaus M III YOH and other tanks can just go through it.and if they do the fv 183 line hard then they should also do it with the jg e100 caus it is armored and does only 130 dmg lower.the only thing to go for the fv and the tortoise is the gun

nimble zodiac
unique scaffold
nimble zodiac
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If anything just the hull needs love

RNG gave you those bounces, 183 should easily penetrate

unique scaffold
fallow eagle
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If anything,fv215b needs more hp

unique scaffold
lament hedge
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Meds Lights and some td needs more hp

nimble zodiac
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Or heavies need less? 😳

unique scaffold
# lament hedge Meds Lights and some td needs more hp

I agree to more hp for TDs but not for meds and light, becaus they are faster and have a turret. The most tds dont have a turret

@nimble zodiac nah.this would not be that clever becaus of the super TDs like jg e100 and the fv 4005 and fv 183

last shadow
lament hedge
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If meds td had an average of 2200 hp lights 2000 and heavys 2800 it would be more balanced

sharp saddle
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It would be simpler to just tone down the heavies than buff everything else

fallow eagle
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Yea
Imagine the pain for t9 tanks when they face any t10 tank

lament hedge
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I would also make changes in MM if you play tier X so you can only play against the same tier (X) I understand that loading battles on low tiers would be delayed but it would not have to apply there

full token
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That’s a bad idea because then people get a tier 10 without ever facing a tier 10. When they play a tier 9 right now, they face tier 10s, and get some experience facing them, before they’d get their tier 10

unique scaffold
twin egret
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🤔 make the Meds & Lights stronger by giving them better attributes while keeping the same HP, that way it counteracts the heavy problem, give the T54 the old pen, that can help

jagged crescent
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Universal view range buffs mmmm

drowsy plaza
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Nerf heavy mobility and view range. Problem solved

lament hedge
unique scaffold
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Dude if i hide my cuppola i get shoot with pramo or i get cylced from mediums

last shadow
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Since when do you need pramo to pen a tortoise
Isn't T1 AP enough for that?

unique scaffold
winged barn
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Yea, prammo is overkill.

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unique scaffold
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I dont do .the problem is that everyone is driving to me .it is not rare that i see 3 or 4 enemies aiming at me or driving at me.caus they know that the tank is only paper and not the better version of the AT 15.i got more bounces in the t8 and i mean from t8 and 9.in the tortoise everyone is shooting trough me and this sucks .thats also why i will not go for the tracks and engine.i wann finish and sell this slow paper tank

sudden path
# stray verge The gun is no doubt a good gun, but the gun is simply not enough. Yes, the gun ...

Oh dpm isnt that bad
Its 2nd best in class after k91
Oh apcr pen isnt good
326 is more than enough you really only need 310mm of pen for pen to not be an issue at tier 9/10
The difference between the conway stock and the conq is a bunch of hitpoints and better accuracy
Reticle is not an excuse for worse gun handling.

Overall the conq provides a amazing gun with mobility, super speed boost, and loads of hitpoints. Is it worse than the is8? Probably. But it's close enough that it comes down to personal preference, and I would much rather play conq over is8 and a lot of tier 9 heavies.

jagged crescent
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Heshing conquerors as a 215b in the lfp is hilarious

stray verge
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So is HESHing cheiftain and MV yoh lfps

fallow raptor
bitter fjord
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@fallow raptor that isn’t even what he is saying…..

unique scaffold
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How does team matching in tournaments work? I got an enemy team with 3000 avg damage of both players while me and my friend have just 1000 ;-;

leaden flare
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its random its a tournament you will meet insane players because they will get thier prices those tournaments like the 2 v 2 will always be won by really good players imo

unique scaffold
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The tortoise is start anoying me.i never got a bounce in it

nocturne mauve
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Nerf heavies

unique scaffold
nocturne mauve
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They really skewed everything, remember when there was only 1 10k record, there’s about 10 of them now

topaz geyser
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Did wg nerf e3’s cupola? Auto pen now…

nimble zodiac
true spindle
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i thought E100 front lower plate is an armor lol its actually made of wood devs should have change the E-100 lower plates appearance to wood so the user is always aware of it 😆 E75 front lower plates looks more serious than E100 front lower plates.

nimble zodiac
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I mean, it's not red I guess

winged barn
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@nimble zodiac you still on track for the kunze?

nocturne mauve
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Nerf heavy HP

unique scaffold
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Nerf their view range. Make them more dependent upon their mediums and lights to spot for them.

nocturne mauve
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What’s a medium and light? This game only has heavies mate

dusky fable
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the name of this chat is quite ironic. balance what. heavy tanks? i think its a lie after all

outer parrot
dusky fable
nocturne mauve
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Tell me also, there’s a reason this game is called wohb

supple barn
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Jgpze100 needs a hp or armour buff

full token
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With that nickname, ill assume you arent serious

unique scaffold
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Take away spall liners from german grille 15 line. I think i dont need to explain why

nimble zodiac
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Grille 15 shouldn't even be your main concern with spall liner, it's WT that's the biggest problem of the branch

drowsy plaza
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The fact is adding stupid consumables to entire lines to attempt balance A tank in that line is rather odd to say the least

unique scaffold
boreal crag
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a few tanks deserve spall liner like the 4005, because it's big, fat, and ez HE. Its also not made for camping. But Grille 15 is just dumb. That's turning a high risk high reward line into a not that much risk high reward line. HG (Heavy Gaming) softening up high skill tanks for newbies be like
now we need spall liner for literally every LT ever
Just in case the newbies don't like to play LTs properly

nimble zodiac
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Heavy meta almost calls for light spalls xD

nocturne mauve
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Playing anything else than a heavy is a disadvantage

remote oriole
gleaming apexBOT
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dynoSuccess mumbojumbo#1404 was banned

drowsy plaza
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@remote oriole my thoughts exactly

nimble zodiac
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WG: You force my hand

WG: Removes spall liner and instead adds a layer of spaced armor around the turret

unique scaffold
safe rapids
sharp saddle
nimble zodiac
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The FV4006, with an extra mm of spaced armor

winged barn
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Just go stage 1.
Cabin removed, nothing to shoot HE at. Ez

nimble zodiac
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What if FV4005 is just FV4005 I with spaced armor all around the gun

But they counted it as main armor 😳

fading magnet
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Heres a good idea actually balance tier ten greedy vultures

nimble zodiac
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tier ten is probably the most balanced tier in the game, though tier 9 can be really overlooked

orchid grove
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Since HE penetrations in Blitz are a stupid no-skill, RNG based mechanic, honestly, I'm fine with tanks having spall liner. As far as I'm concerned; everything should have spall liner

tepid latch
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And that’s why you aren’t a developer

prisma jetty
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You know what, positive is usually right. And in this case, they are right.

nimble zodiac
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“RNG based” kind of applies to everything

rare sleet
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Except No the spall liner on tanks such as grille basically negate the fact that they have paper thin armor. Giving them almost a relatively armored tank because HE shots no longer punish them anymore. Some tanks literally trade in other benefits like Mobility for The Extra armor to be more HE proof but all of a sudden these new provisions make tanks that didn't make that trade and reap the benefits of having no armor and being nonpunishable makes it unfair. Giving spall liner to every single tank would be undoubtedly stupid.

full token
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For some reason WG is unable to put consumables on specific tanks in the line...

wicked quest
nimble zodiac
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They need to rework the HE mechanics like WoT did :p
Can't splash the deck for half AP's alpha

wicked quest
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Idk if you had to rework HE twice maybe should leave it how it was

uneven narwhal
nimble zodiac
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Just make the damage dropoff for the radius much more the further away the weakest plate is?

I might just be blabbering how they did it, not quite sure exactly how they "fixed" it

full token
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HE on pc is different to blitz because you have to reload for HE and cant just switch to AP instantly if you need it. They also dont get to see exact weakspots with an armor highlight

nimble zodiac
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Nah on Blitz your crew is absolutely dedicated to the "Intuition" skill

last shadow
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The crews in blitz are just that much more skilled

unique scaffold
jagged crescent
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First time in a while that I saw people complain about HE

jovial arch
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why WG don't let to put a normal cammo in M60?? the actual cammo is cool, but idk, I would like to put other cammo...

vale acorn
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when are they going to remove Castilla, this map is just a campfest, whenever I play it on TD or Medium I hate it everytime, worst map by far in the game

ocean folio
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Please buff the Badger. Either dpm or mobility because it’s a balanced tier 9 right now

thick rover
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plz buff 5A

candid steeple
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Premium consumables suck or at least they should be cheaper so everyone can use it. But that's not the problem. Already strong tanks become even stronger because of those things. E3 needed Improved engine power boost. Yeah right.

drowsy plaza
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@candid steeple anyone can use them. They cost more credits, but that’s not something only available to some players. However the addition of them to the game is a bad idea (in my opinion). As Tanks should be balanced based on normal criteria.

candid steeple
leaden flare
candid steeple
lean gate
fading magnet
humble spear
drowsy plaza
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It’s not about credits. That’s a false start. The issue is when an E3 running crazy speed passes a medium tank running normal speed boost. Or the fact that the E5 is a better US medium than the Patton. Don’t get me started on the other consumables

gleaming apexBOT
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dynoSuccess milanmrlian#1465 was muted

leaden flare
sharp saddle
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They just love to give tanks that were already performing fine special consumables

candid steeple
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Point is that because of high price on those things is if I am not using consumables as E5 and other E5 that I meet has and armor thing and speed boost it's without a doubth paying to win. Guy takes less damage and is a lot faster then me. I mean that's pretty much why I stopped playing E5. I quite liked the tank before that stupid implementation. It's no longer at point if guy has fully equipped rations to boost his dpm and other stuff by what 100 dpm. Now it's on another lvl a completely another lvl. If you chose to not use special consumables you are on average a lot but a lot less flexible then the guy using them in the same tank. In my opinion is if they are adding them then make them cost the same as other stuff. Point was to make tanks better with consumables but not to pay more to be better. But I suppose they make it so not everyone uses them but then what they said why they added them is just a talking in the wall. I am typing a bit too much. Eh.

nocturne mauve
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Nerf heavies

candid steeple
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Or even better, be better at the game and not expect medium class to carry entire game.

nocturne mauve
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What’s a medium? Only heavies exist

dusky fable
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am I playing the right game? because the game i do play, the class of tanks that exists is only heavies

azure quest
# nocturne mauve What’s a medium? Only heavies exist

That's true but Mediums and light tanks can carry a battle easier than heavies because of their mobility and most of the Time better gun handling for example Vickers
@dusky fable well yes there is a Lot of heavy Spam right now but I have the feeling people try to get high damage numbers for the event because they can't Play Mediums/lights
@boreal crag That's why you should ignore a Maus or farm it down. If the Mediums really lose against 2 Maus then that was poor played. A Maus is there to waste HP and tank shots. That's why you Focus the Rest of the Team first in case it is a rush and take out the Maus at the end. Problem solved. Imo there is no really heavy problem. People just can't play lights(yes lights Have a different playstyle than meds) or do many mistskes with Mediums like Bad trading or not using advantages

boreal crag
# azure quest That's true but Mediums and light tanks can carry a battle easier than heavies b...

Who cares about that when you can just maus platoon and rush into the mediums like a madman and not give a damn
do you really think a maus cares about a pew pew 310 from a T62A?
It just laughs at it
Maus players have even come to the point where some even ignore 183s

@azure questOk so ignore the maus. Gotcha! So next time theres a maus platoon, ill just ignore them and let them farm my teammates. Understood boss! And when the match is almost over we still have 2 full HP maus to deal with, which is roughly 6,3k HP with the equips.
Ik how to play mediums, but the problem is that heavies have so much HP that they aren't scared anymore. Previously, if you went behind a corner and a E5 wanted to push, he would start to try to sidescrape, or something like that. Now he can just push because he has enough HP, so like he gives a damn
Also lets not forget that the Maus has a LOT of armor. Although its weakspots are easy to hit, all you need is for those maus players to have 0,1 braincells and angle their turret and hide their lower plate
So now you are low HP, you barely give enough dmg to affect the double maus and they are using their armor and abusing their HP
Gg on the ignore the maus plan

candid steeple
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Well Maus profited from the buffs the most. IS-4 the broken one is pretty much overshadowed by that tank now. Yes Maus needs to lose some of it's HP. It's too much. They also buffed it's armor to make it hard for random shots to pen corners of hull front. Tbh I don't mind heavy buffs that much but well I am heavy tank driver. But as medium only thing that you lost is that your trade with heavies is worse then before. Putting one more shot into a heavy is not that big of a problem for mediums. Also things to consider is that heavies now need more time to kill each other so you got more time to defeat medium side and flank. thing that mediums lost is that they can no longer face tank heavies from the front as efectivlly as before since trades are not worth it anymore. And that's a good thing. Also I do play tier X medium and for me it's easier to win as medium then as a heavy. Well key word is the flexibility.

Again Maus is the only tank that goes yeet into the battle because it's armor can support it. Not a single heavy can go as you so call yeet without being torn apart. I wanted Maus nerf the moment buffs went live but WG decided to buff it again because they had to hide buffing premium VK with buffing Maus and E100 again so there's that.

dusky fable
nocturne mauve
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Being able to survive 1/2 more shots is really important

azure quest
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For me it's just more free damage to farm and HeroWonds is right. Before the HP buff a leo1 could actually kill E100 in facehug and that's not exaggerated. Now you have to farm them down but that isn't a big problem either with good positioning and trading. @boreal crag Your case is really unordinary. Can't even tell you when a heavy rushed me lol. But I see you didn't understand my message. In a RUSH you don't want to focus the maus first because it has too much armor and hp. No, you want to take out the tanks with the highest dpm and alpha, the tds and meds or heavies like 113. That's just simple focus fire. But when do people rush in this game? Correct, when all are low hp so in most battles you just sit there at your position and farm, farm and farm. You only want to get your damage out and abuse your dpm. Doesn't matter who is in front of you. Ofc this depends a little bit on the map like Vineyards would be great to farm damage but Naval frontier can be a bit more difficult. However, to not lose the point and making it a bit more general: A maus is only effective, when you focus the Maus and get hit by his mates or even die. About your E5 example: you were isolated from your mates or tried to fight in a situation with gun disadvantage. That's not a balancing problem. Just a mistake

nocturne mauve
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They need a Hp nerf

full token
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#devs-answers show overperforming heavies for 55-65% players
Tournaments are filled with heavies

boreal crag
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@azure questJust look at the stats by yourself
It's not people making mistakes and blaming the heavies for it
Heavies are spammed in tours, ratings, etc
I mean heck look at the Maus WR
You honestly can't think that those stats are a lie
Heavies are overperforming
As simple as that

candid steeple
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So we nerf heavies and then mediums again start overperforming. I like this meta a lot more. Flanks at least don't crumble in few seconds.

nocturne mauve
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I’d rather a medium meta, at least it doesn’t prolong the match for no reason

quasi axle
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heavy meta is so boring

azure quest
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overperforming lol. I have to agree the heavy meta in tours is really boring especially this autoloader spam. But I don't see the problem in random battles/rating. I blame the player for pretty much everything because they make tanks like 252u op. 252u has a big lower plate and the side armor isn't hard to pen either. Imo there is only one really overperforming tank and that is Vk90 not looking on stats

sudden granite
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I don’t mind the HPs of the heavies cuz @azure quest is correct there, they should be able to come out on top on a facehugging fight with other tanks. What bothers me is the fact that not only do they have the hp/armour, they also have the spotting range, mobility and good guns. They are too much allrounded, I’d nerf the mobility and spotting range to make tank roles more important instead of just being able to play an e5 anywhere on the map

nocturne mauve
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What?!? They have way too much HP and that is the problem

quasi axle
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The sides of a 252u while angled are not that easy to pen

candid steeple
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I wonder when people will stop just looking at view range without looking at concealment. Also if you nerf already poor mobility of heavies they are pretty much dead as a role. Also E5 is a heavium. Sucks at fighting against heavies in cities but wrecks mediums. Making heavies blind while lights and mediums don't know what their role is. That's a big NO or you want WG to introduce report system if meds and lights are not spotting. I don't see your logic. Heavies have a lot worse spotting range. Look at concealment values and not just at view range.

@boreal crag biased guy spotted. Meta before heavy buffs called as fast meta. Nah wasn't a medium meta. Mediums were better then heavies and replaced them in every role. That's fine. Bruh. Go back to your cave.

boreal crag
# candid steeple So we nerf heavies and then mediums again start overperforming. I like this meta...

Mediums were not overperforming. It's just that the newbies from 5.5 rushed heavies like the Tiger and gave them poor stats, which gave the impression of underperforming
Also mediums are the universal type of tank. They are supposed to be a all in 1, so even if they did better than heavies, that's ok

@candid steeple Salty guy spotted. First off I'm a heavy main. I've played heavies more than anything else. So I'm pretty sure ik what I'm talking about. Mediums were "better" because the heavies were being played by absolute noobs. How many times have we seen KV2s, Smashers, Lowes, etc camping? And when you check their stats, it's 44 WR and 1k battles. Bruh. Go back to your cave

orchid grove
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For what its worth, the state of game balance right before the heavy HP buff was perfect. The classes were balanced according to WGs charts, and both heavies and mediums were used in tournaments. WG even stated that it was balanced

WG specifically buffed heavies to unbalance the game because they wanted tournaments to be very heavy and have stated as much. End of story

sweet prism
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Remind me one thing didn't this heavy hp buffs came right after the update with launch of sheridan?

nocturne mauve
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Honestly the heavies make this game so boring, they always make it last about 5 minutes
Also a heavy push is basically impossible to stop, they just have way too much HP so they don’t care

boreal crag
full token
azure quest
# quasi axle The sides of a 252u while angled are not that easy to pen

I mean in a 90° angle. In a side scraping position you can't pen the side in every angle ofc. So about the heavy problem: I don't understand any of these problems. Good spotting range? Meh A light tank is much better at spotting than a heavy and you will never use a heavy to spot. It's just a problem of the player who don't use camos, camo net or they don't skill their crew ability "Camouflage". Mobility: IS7 and 113 have a really good top speed for heavies but the rotation is terrible and the armor isn't the best either. Then there is the special consumable which revived the E5. The improved speed boost is a great addition some tanks are just too slow and needs a little bit more mobility to be more flexible + meds don't have an easy win(supremacy) or draw(encounter) against heavies if it's a 1v1. Not a big impact, just a little help for some heavies. Combined with reactive armor the tournament games became much faster + more action. But I can't really say if it was a negative or positive change for the tournament community. For me a positive change because other tanks were meta and the IS4 spam was reduced. Good guns? who likes playing with an unreliable gun? Some tanks deserve a dpm nerf like E100 but the rest is fine. Heavies should be able to trade better than mediums. That's why mediums and lights got their mobility and spotting range. HP buff: Some tanks needs 1 more shot to destroy them, some needs 2 more shots. 300-600 more free damage so I take that ofc. But it's def. not an op buff for the heavies. The meds had too much hp and they were able to fight heavies in 1v1. Now you have to fight with a bit more brain.

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Heavies do manage to spot just well enough. You dont need a light tank to get vision. Just take a heavy near the front, and youll be close enough to spot. This isnt wot pc

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yeah the viewrange difference is marginal meds/lights are only better at spotting earlygame due to mobility

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That's the most important spot lol because then you can decide where you will go to farm effectively or where you will die and lose the game. Then the spotting range is not that important anymore. Maybe to spot tds but the spotting range becomes important in the end game again when your team threw the game, you are alone vs 1-2 heavies and a td. Now your spotting range becomes a broken advantage because you outspot and outtrade them and carry the game. These are simple Light tank mechanics which nobody really abuse in this game. That's why they are played as mediums

quasi axle
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yes because light tanks other than the sheridan can outtrade tds and heavies

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Am I speaking spanish or is my english terrible? You can outtrade them because of your better spotting range. I don't mean any hulldown trades

Vickers vs 268.268 spotted and Vickers Pens him. 350 damage for 0 trade. Everyone has his own Definition but this is a trade imo.

It doesn't make lights better than heavies. Lights are better than heavies because of their carry potential. They just outscale them. But nobody plays lights really well when I See them

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doesnt make lights better than heavies

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quasi axle
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im fairly sure that's not what trading means

nocturne mauve
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Notice how they display a heavy in the victory and a medium in the loss

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quasi axle
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is that a weird looking emil or a tank with sunglasses on

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KV1S or IS probably with sunglasses. However, this is an endless discussion. For me the game is balanced(except VK90) and you need the skill/experience to be successful. Sure the heavy buff might be really frustrating for the medium mains here and also the current heavy meta in cw is pretty boring but I'd never say it's breaking the game or making it worse at least the random battles. They are random and the heavy buff doesn't have so much impact there. In case you get rushed or lose because of the dominance of a heavy then just think about a better position and look on the minimap. An E5 can't rush a medium when it has support

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out of all the tanks in the game why do you think vk90 is the only one thats unbalanced

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It's cupola is red even for heavy prammo and has barely any weakspots
All other Heavys get weakspots but vk 90 Is basically all around invincible
Except for weakspots you can't reliably hit

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After 360 Games in Vk90(Yes I know I'm a terrible person) and many games against that tank I have a lot of experience to say that this tank is unbalanced. Maybe not broken. The tank sucks in 2v1 situations against mobility tanks. My main point is the armor. Someone mentioned the 6.7 buff and I thought it was a gun mantlet buff but I can show you the result of that buff. 320mm armor turret ring armor. Heavies already struggled to win the 1v1 against that tank. Now they heavily buffed the weakspot. It's insane in side scraping, trading, face hugging, hulldown. The perfect all rounder. But it also has some little disadvantages. 320 APCR isn't that great, the gun is unreliable and the mobility, well it's a german heavy. The trades are insane because of the 10° gun depression, 460 alpha and only 10.53s reload which is less than IS7 reload.------- @quasi axle But to answer your question because I kinda forgot that lol: No other tank has stats close to Vk90 on their tier ofc. I already expected the Smasher and Anni example. Wargaming introduced a new tutorial to make the game more noob friendly. they get boosters, premium time etc. Grinding a T6-T7 tank won't take so much time. THis player with less experience won't know what a Smasher is. He faces the tank and gets smashed. On T7 you meet many newbies or players who don't want to learn and just play the game to have fun. But they don't understand how to play against Smasher or Annihilator. That's why they have so much impact on that tier. The tier is the problem, not the tank because it's so easy to clap the players

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yeah but why not any other tanks, there are plenty of other tanks people consider broken I think least controversial would be anni or smasher

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Yes I don't mind the heavy hp buff but they should get a corresponding view range nerf

nocturne mauve
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Since the heavy buffs there’s been like 10 new 10k records

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logical

ruby coyote
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will we do something about the LTTB?

graceful totem
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Make tog 2's top speed 45 km/h

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ruby coyote
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i played him and i fell an amount of shame @unique scaffold

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# dull river Thats an IS or kv1s

This is an IS-2 with sunglasses.if you look at the front you can ser it .caus it is the IS-2 front.

@ruby coyote : then you play it wrong.try to side scrape it

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And what is this for? It’s already broken

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not really. But you don't like heavies anyway

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Not really? Black prince is now balanced or something?

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The black prince literally is broken

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# frail silo Not really? Black prince is now balanced or something?

a change with not that much impact. Idk why blitz community cries about everything WG is doing. What does this change mean? The gun is more accurate. Good but the gun is pretty accurate already so a meaningless change. 5 kmh more top speed. Well the tank can engage a bit faster. A tiny buff but it won't make the tank that much better. It's pretty decent but the alpha is too low to actually trade. That's why this tank will never be broken

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The game doesn't revolve around trading... And the tank was already great

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nocturne mauve
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A trade of the black prince is way more than 160 alpha, have you seen its fire rate

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Increased dispersion = inaccurate , decreased dispersion = accurate. So it is a buff. The game revolves a lot about trading btw. That's how you basically win a game. Low Alpha is a disadvantage doesn't matter if the tank has 3k dpm or insane fIrE rAtE. These tanks with low alpha like Caernarvon, e25, Black Prince, Action x etc are in the game to have fun. But they aren't big carries and will probably suffer in many games depending on the enemy

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nocturne mauve
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No not really, if it has low alpha then it is more likely to have better fire rate and dispersion so it can compensate for missed shots, larger alpha guns are usually more inaccurate and missing a shot is very punishing

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Ever fought vs AMX MLE 54 with an E5? That was fun getting so punished because of the lower alpha. Or T49 vs T71. Really tasty. Because of an inaccurate gun these tanks play aggressive and give a fck about their accuracy. Tell me how do you want to win the trade vs an IS2 when you can't engage? Tell me how do you want to beat an SU152 when you can't engage? The battles aren't a 1v1. It is a 7v7 and you can't abuse your dpm. After a missed shot the tank with higher alpha isn't dead. No, he will continue trying to pen you. Let's take that IS2 example. You trade 160 for 400 damage. He will just go back and disrespect your dpm. if you think a missed shot from a big gun is punishing then you have to be the best player on earth

nocturne mauve
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Jeesus, I was just saying a higher alpha isn’t always better

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As I said the exceptions make the rule. But you will find most low alpha tanks on T7-8 and they are so bad. T8 tournaments. Teams still use Action X and this is pretty much a free win

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Higher alpha is better generally. Better use of dpm, better exchange of Hp, easier to hit one shot rather than multiple. Low alpha has its advantages but imo those aren’t as much as the advantages of higher alpha
However, the black prince having low alpha doesn’t make it weak. Especially with the dpm and the traverse speeds, it can be quite influential. I don’t think it needs a buff of any sort at all. Hopefully this rebalance doesn’t make it stronger

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It will make it a lot stronger, it’s got 25% more speed and dispersion doesn’t matter because most of your fights are close and medium range

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dynoSuccess Crispy#2768 has been warned.

frail silo
# azure quest Ever fought vs AMX MLE 54 with an E5? That was fun getting so punished because o...

By the time that IS2 aims and hits i would have already put a couple of shells in it.
The game does not revolve around trading, or else jgpze100 would have been a great tank.
Black prince has consumables, armor, and gun.
The only draw back was the 20km speed which was negligible using the speed boost.

By the way, a missed shot can change a lot in a game. It is not really okay considering your long reload.

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Potential french heavily armored line modules. Since WG is buffing the AMX M4 45 in the armor department maybe these could be added.
M4 48 works much better imo than the AMX 65 t, the stock turret and top turret have nearly the same HP (1730 and 1750, respectively) so you don't sacrifice much using the much better armored stock turret.
Tier IX is based on a model I saw in a WoT PC leak of the TCB 120 turret on the AMX 50 B hull, which was historical. It uses the guns of the AMX M4 51 on PC. The Tier X (Blitz) M4 51 uses the guns from the PC version of the M4 54.
Finally got around to posting this, I just had to slap together a Google Drawing.

EDIT: the whole doctrine of this line (pros and cons):
Pros; choice of 2 guns, high alpha on the big gun (470 for the Tier IX and 480 for the Tier X on their big guns), accurate and penetrating smaller guns, strong front armor, decent gun depression, good forward speed
Cons; average to poor HP (IX has 2150, X has 2480), tall profiles, VERY thin side armor, bad premium rounds, and poor DPM on the big guns/average-meh DPM on the smaller guns.

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Looks like some nice tanks to sell

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Rip AMX 65t

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The 65t sucks on PC with a big-ass hull and no armor whatsoever. The M4 48 is basically a discount M4 49 without the profitability, and the option of a 120 mm gun in a big old fat turret for those that like alpha.
Also found some images that back up the Tier IX. This was way back during when French vehicles were brand new in PC. In Blitz the Tier IX would have an AMX 50 B hull with improved armor on the front plate.

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Yes, I would love to see the french tech tree grow.

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m41 90 deserves a little terrain resistance buff :' ) i touched this topic before but I wanna mention it again. it plays more like a medium than a light. most of the time you're outspotted, camo isn't the best, acceleration is sluggish as for a bulldog type tank and German on top of that. don't get me wrong but, if HE is it's main strength and you're not fast enough to cod many tanks due to terrain resistance / acceleration, it's a bit sad haha. also traverse is quite slow in comparison to the rest of lights

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Is it just me or random battles tier X game heavies got replaced by heavy autoloaders. LIke I see AMX and T57 or Kranvagen every game that I play. Must be nice to have 3000 dpm as autoloader with accurate gun nad 2.5s between shots. I think it would be time to nerf them a bit? Yeah? I honestly thing that autoloaders are too strong right now at tier X. Clip reload time is less then 20s.

Only Kran suffers with relatevly good turret if you are looking at the enemy and everything else terrible. Also apparently tank all about turret armor has less gun depression then AMX and T57. WG balance choices.

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T57 is a nice juicy target for my yoh

candid steeple
# nimble zodiac The MM is flooded with them to compete against the M-VI-Yoh, as well as give the...

I still think that what they got for sacrificing armor is too much. Specially AMX 50 B. That tank was balanced or just a bit too strong before they reduced its reload time between clip shoots to 2.5 from 3s. Already broken dpm and unfairly good gun plus speed of medium and now spoil liner to troll your He because that balanced completely blew AMX 50 B out of any kind of thought that that tank is balanced.

nimble zodiac
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AMX 50 B doesn't have spall liner? Unless that's planned in 8.1, then yeah, kinda overkill.

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it can be HEd in the sides. We need spall liner now

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It happened to me so many time that I can pen AMX 50 B with HE in the side but I fail after a fail like game is trolling me. It's not even hitting tracks because they are not damaged. And that started happening to me in recent times. I despise seeing AMX in battles. Tank is not balanced. Skilled player can make that thing into a monster since it only lacks armor.

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What 50b not balanced? Smh just buff the tort

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The auto(re)loader system always was an unfair mechanic in the game because of the high damage in a few seconds but it doesn't mean the tanks don't have any disadvantages. long reload, T57 is really slow, no real armor(actually less armor than 50b), side armor is paper. 50B is a really flexible tank but it's easier to HE, you have 1 more second intra clip reload in total compared to T57, the turret is easy to hit and you can't trade against every tank. Like TDs or other big guns will give you a HE in return. Kranvagn - probably the best tank of all auto(re)loaders because of it's armor and the autoreloader system. But the long reload for one shell and the HE spam against the tank kinda kills it. Also the mobility isn't the best. Yoh - Imo the worst autoloader on t10. Bad mobility, terrible armor, only 900 damage, terrible clip reload but fast intra clip reload(2 shell gun)

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Why on earth are you chaps nerfing the KV-3
The speed is already painful

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Kv3 is lowkey broken but that's because people dont k ow how to play

Its actually a well balanced tank as far as stats are concerned

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candid steeple
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Since when did Predator IF had 200mm of effective armor. Jeez WG this is tier VII what in hell are you buffing. Can you just once not overbuff premium that you are buffing?

And now when you overbuffed the hell out of it's armor then you will be like no it's premium we can't tone it down. Jeez few lose screws whenever you buff something. Buff isn't supposed to be an overbuff.

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Deserved buff. Not an overbuff. 200mm is nothing
@leaden flare true

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Predator is still crap with its non existent gd and its huge profile

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Fix Tier 7

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Buff t32 its the worst t8 hull down american heavy

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lol imagine buffing T32 that tank already has a insane turret insane hp consumables and so on its only lacks gun as balance

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leaden flare
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dude i doubt you have any clue how to play T32

T32s gun is supposed to be bad so it balances the basically impenneable turret the alomst 2,2khp and the ability to use super speed and or reactive

ive played that tank solo for 101 battles and got 83% wr in it tho my avg dmg is sub 300/tier so its supposed to tank dmg and not to do insane dmg

@azure quest yep seemingly endless complaints about tanks that are "op" or too weak that are actually just decent or even good

frail silo
# mental pasture What do you mean by "... or else Jagdpanzer E100 wpuld have been a great tank."....

What do you mean it is a good tank?
It def is not, there is much better tanks to do its job.
And its armor doesn't work, plus the gun handling albeit "relatively" good can mess you up real bad.
Also it is non turreted and huge and slow.
I am not saying it is extremely bad it is just eh.
And the main point was that thing would be considered OP if the game revolved around trading(as in shot for shot).

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nocturne mauve
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No it isn’t

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For American heavies at tier 8 you have the T32, T34, EXP, Chrysler, Sheriff and Shark

The sheriff and the shark are two of the best tier 8s of all, so saying it's worse than those is meaningless.

Comparing the Chrysler and the T32 is very hard because of how different they are, but one is not considerably worse or better than the other

The T32 is considerably better than the EXP for obvious reasons, and also better than the T34 because it has consumables, dispersion on movement, speed, turret armour, hull armour and hp. It only has worse pen and alpha.

So the T32 is an average tier 8 American heavy, and tier 8 American heavies tend to be very good tanks. So the T32 is a very good tank. So no more buffs.

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I still think that the t34 is better cus better dispersion and pen. For me the gun was all the pain that the tank offered especialy if you try to avoid pramo. The gun is really unreliable especialy when you are forced out of hull down position

unique scaffold
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The fv starts feeling boring

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mild igloo
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Ok aside from the exp all us heavies are good and ngl im not that much beter more than most players

lyric iron
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I'm only here to see if they put anni and smasher in fun modes only yet

nocturne mauve
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Please remove spall liner from grille 15

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it's a discussion channel, not a request/feedback channel. The spall liner is completely fine on Grille and only fair compared to FV4005. WT doesn't need spall liners since it's one of the strongest t9 tds

safe rapids
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it is fine to noob-proof a tank by making it harder to punish it for having paper armor?

leaden flare
hearty steeple
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T32 also now has an extremely strong ufp, almost impervious to 275mm heat when it is not even using max gun depression. A buff that arguably wasn't even needed

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nocturne mauve
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They don’t die so fast? Bro I saw one play frontline and he did extremely well and even survived the match

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The spall liner was a buff. Imo the Grille and WT didnt need it, especially the WT. Even if the tanks were weak, a spall liner was a bad idea. The point of the weak armor is to get penned easily or HEd if the driver makes bad plays. The Spall liner just made it quite pointless to bother with HE on most guns

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Give it some camo buff instead and take away the spall liner uwu

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It isn't smart to shoot AP because you can knock out the whole crew with a HE. Never understood why people keep shooting AP on my FV4005 or Grille lol. A HE hurts much more doesn't matter how much dmg it does(it has to pen ofc, not hitting the gun or tracks). @nocturne mauve THat's my playstyle too but nothing new. You can play Grille, WT or Rhm aggressively because of the bad focus fire and bad positioning of the players. Maybe it's time to change your playstyle too. Then you don't have to be in this channel everytime

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A few days ago WG asked us, on Youtube, what we want to see in some changes :
For EARTH SAKE !!, BUFF the KV-220 !
It has absolutely no place in tier V : extremely bad accuracy, AP pen is trash, you can't even win a duel vs vs others tier V heavies
This is not acceptable for one, if it's not the worst, tier V

nocturne mauve
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If you get over expose you deserve to get smacked by HE, what’s the point of making everything noob proofed

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# azure quest It isn't smart to shoot AP because you can knock out the whole crew with a HE. N...

crew/modules can get repaired. HP loss cant. On some guns, the HE would do less damage than AP, and its pointless when HE also has the risk of splashing on tracks or some angled part of the armor, versus just using ap, doing similar damage and not needing to aim specifically for the HEable parts or to avoid hitting tracks. On like 128mm+ guns its still worth using HE, but most guns dont get enough of an increase in alpha with HE against spall liners to make it worth the risks

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On FV4005 or Grille you have 1 or maybe 2 repair kits and only 1 heal kit. Tell me how do you want to repair every HE shell? It's totally worth it. I can say that because I often had the problem that I ran out of repair kits and then FV4005 with 30s clip reload fun. But because this problem is only viewed from one side it has to be nerfed or removed

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Total hp of wt should be nerfed, to 1500 like t30 has. Not just 100 short of grille...

quasi axle
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t30 actually has armor

scarlet fjord
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this isnt balance but its way more important for your game imo right now WG
i left blitz for a while and only played sometimes at tier 10
today i returned to tier 8 and realized how RIDICULOUSLY bad your uneducated player base has become compared to 10 months ago let alone 3 years ago
WG you have to consider on how to improve your players and bring back at least some skill in to the game
tier 8 was either a 7/0 loss or a 7/0 win regardless of my dmg i doubt its dumb luck because i played a lot of games
For reference i averaged 2800 damage and only played SU 130 PM
so i wasnt bad in fact the games i did 4000+ damage were losses and the ones i did less than 3k were literally games so one sided that we win 7/0 and you dont really end up doing damage (44% wr)

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Give walker bulldog, tier 7 the proper gun rammer and not ventilation on the top gun. It's ridiculous. Why would you give a single shot gun a ventilation?
@rare ivy Well yes, however the Top gun isn't an autoloader
As the gun changes, so should the EQ. It's logical. M32 late gun is a single shot obviously

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summer mist
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Never ever try to do a battle with your KV-220 since WG does not give any ATTENTION. They made this tank for only 1 reason : Been left deep in the attic and been forget forever !

mental pasture
# frail silo What do you mean it is a good tank? It def is not, there is much better tanks to...

The fact that there's better tanks doesn't mean that something is good, for example:
IS-7 does medium's tank job way better than E50M because it have the heavy HP, relatively better gun, better turret and stills pretty mobile. E50M isn't bad because IS-7 is better, if you think it's bad then you can find any other reasons.

The armor works, but only works if the player uses the brain to play it.
It's not enough armor to do frontline, so don't do frontline
Stationary targets are easier to get hits on the weakspots, so don't stand still if someone is aiming to you
You know some heavies have OP prammo pen, so don't peek when you know there's a heavy aiming to you
These are simple things that makes your armor works WAY better.

About the precision, the aim time isn't bad and neither the aim circle, the main problem is the bloom. Don't move your gun sharply and neither shot while moving, then the bloom won't bother you.

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i like to use a trick where i aim ahead of time before shooting someone
like for example predicting when and where they will pop i will sometimes pre aim there or
if I'm going 50
I dont just pop out of nowhere and slowly start aiming while exposed
i stop right next to some cover let the bloom drop and slowly move slightly forward = less bloom

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pre-aiming

unique scaffold
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Is it good idea to fight against kv 1 on churchill 3?

nimble zodiac
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Yeah, because KV-1 is irrelevant in tier 5 now 😭

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frail silo
# mental pasture The fact that there's better tanks doesn't mean that something is good, for exam...

"homeless? Stop being homeless lol"
I don't need lessons on it i already have it. And now i don't touch it anymore neither do i touch the 50M for similar reasons.
I didn't say it was bad i said it was eh. You can try to make the armor work but it is still easily negligible by the enemy. And you would probably be side scraping and then dispersion fricks with you.
And i wasn't even discussing jag's validity, i merely pointed out that if the game was mostly trade oriented then the tank would be god in this game. Simple as that.
Now if you disagree on my views on the tanks that is fine.

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Understandable, have a great day.

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Wow you guys actually believe that an IS-7 is a better medium than most actual mediums 🗿

somber kestrel
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Lol

nimble zodiac
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I mean it does have a 50km/h top speed, though it won't reach it in most practical situations

It's a medium brawler :3

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There is a big diferance in tank balancing for less expirianced players and very good players because there is a big diferance between whats a tanks potencial and how easely the potensial is achieved thats why better players cry less about tank balance the only unbalanced things are rare power krept tanks and extra strong or broken p2 get tanks

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drowsy plaza
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The IS-7 excels at dislodging mediums from some spots, and for traverse - it is way better than the 113…

nimble zodiac
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3 degrees is way better ._.

But hey hey, on the bright side it's one degree faster than Maus

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im not hunting meds in wz 113 tho, armor profile is good enough for heavys imo

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BH makes the turret look so darn cool

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Top part, what I think WZ-113 was way too specifically designed for, autobounce :p

Bottom part, I just wanted it to look even cooler :p :p

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broken wren
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Buff the Fv215b upper glacious plate and Fv4202 Turret armor

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nimble zodiac
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Better than E 50 M anyways

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last shadow
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113 is a boat
Like most Chinese tanks

nimble zodiac
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The hull traverse is the focus, because of WZ-113's role often as a medium brawler, it would need some hull traverse to manuever, the turret is fine, there's time for that unless for some reason you're getting circled

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113 is not a med brawler
Its traverse is too slow
It's a heavy tank ripper

nimble zodiac
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I'd say so too, maybe I'm finding too many potatoes in WZ-113

remote oriole
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Due to the pikenose the IS-7 generally needs to turn little to present the enemy with a strong angle while the 113 may require quite a bit of adjustment to maintain the maximum effective armour

unique scaffold
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Nerf heavy hp and spotting range and give TD's more hp

last shadow
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Why should they?

release stronk heavy (which is easy to "balance" Because they are already strong)
profit

mental pasture
# unique scaffold Nerf heavy hp and spotting range and give TD's more hp

I think that the heavy HP can be balanced if you add a balancing factor, I used to purpose a wide view range nerf in most of heavies and all super heavies, only lettinng away a few exceptions like heaviums.
Some heavies aren't bad (are actually good) at spotting for simple reasons:

  • Can reach safely the frontline, where most of other heavies are.
  • They have armor, so if they get spotted just turn on the "Anyways, let me continue what I'm doing" button.
  • Big HP pool, so if they get a shot just turn on the "Anyways, let me continue what I'm doing" button.
  • They are baits for campers. When a camper shots, it loses the concealment bonus, which makes it easier to spot.

I don't think that nerfing the HP after serious view range buffs Nerfs (misspell) is necessary, playing semi-passively will be the key to win against a heavy.
Also, buffing TDs HP in general is a bad idea.

tidal palm
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Buff jpanther 2 armour it's useless

rustic hemlock
stray verge
unique scaffold
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Hello

zealous bear
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Alright, the main thing I want fixed is the old t82. That thing used to rock, and I feel like in a recent update it’s fun was buffed, giving it more penn, but not anything like it used to be. If it were to get back to the glory days, then I would be super happy.

tidal palm
rustic hemlock
somber kestrel
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I like St Emil but no armor what so ever if you're very lucky then you'll get a bounce every now and then but use it for sniping tbh

full token
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Don’t need to snipe in Jpanther 2 all the time. Sometimes I just go nearer to the front and attack people on reloads, or I try to hill the lower half of the tank and try to bounce a bit with the top

tidal palm
rustic hemlock
full token
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The Jpanther has a decent amount of armor beside the gun. And it has mobility. Use that to avoid shots when you can, or hide the lower half and expose just the top half that is stronger. You’ll get a few bounces. If not that, try to let your team take the hits and you do your damage when the enemy is on a reload. Sniping can work too. If you’re doing it right you should have some cover to retreat into or some bush to prevent you getting spotted at all

burnt prism
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Jpanther2 is a tank that has a lot o playstyles possible, if you cant get one of the playstyles to work for you then go for the other ones. Jpanther2 has a nice gun, 3k dpm with 460alpha, it shreds thru things, if you arent that great at managing reloads and seeing when and where to shoot then snipe with it, you'll still do great. If you are able to manage the reload's, and you know where your armor will work then you can play it aggro, its way more dangerous that way, but it isnt dangerous to you only, the enemies also have to be carefull,cuz if they stay infront of you for too long they will melt. Just find the play style of the tank you prefer and are better at

unique scaffold
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HellĂł :)

young fractal
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Buff a T82 HE penetration. 20 mm is unplayable. Please wg take a look at soke old low tiers as well

full token
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Play higher tiers if you dont need to grind the lower tier tank, and are hating it

frozen saffron
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Buff back KV-2, right now its a very very bad tank i want it back with 86 standard penetration

full token
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use CS. You get 84mm

tidal palm
magic ice
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@frozen saffron ok the kv2 isn't a bad tank but yes it nvr should have been nerfed and I think that's the same with the 183 the fact that you can be spotted dam near across an entire map by just about any tank is rediculos

full token
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thats the price of having the alpha

arctic mica
teal crystal
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Buff Tankenstein, it's been underpowered and power crept into oblivion, give it 250mm of frontal armor for turret and hull and make lower glacis pennable by everything

next up is the guns 105mm needs a DpM buff, 130mm needs slight DpM buff
buff speed while you're at it, for the speed it goes I'm expecting it to be a DpM monster but everything out DpMs it along with the speed

carmine sleet
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why does this section exist

teal crystal
# carmine sleet why does this section exist

to discuss balance changes, such as what player base thinks should be buffed/nerfed

hopefully devs take a serious look at feedback from 7 year players

I honestly want to see Tankenstein buffed, they forget about it every update, last buff was like in 5.5

dark pike
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yesn't

teal crystal
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everyone is going to ignore that Smasher has a faster reload than a 130mm gun mounted on a Tankenstein?

edit: if you can't play Jagdpanther II correctly, just sell it and get the Ferdinand if your complaint is armor, when hulldown JPanther II has a good chance to bounce 105mm and below, don't try against 120mm guns and above unless you want to get splashed and have crew killed frequently

unique scaffold
fathom glacier
nimble zodiac
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Ah yes, nobody plays a tank so no matter how bad it is, it’s balanced 😂

teal crystal
# fathom glacier Because nobody plays tankenstein

do you think a tank with 1700dpm and 25kph average speed will fare well against a tank that does 2600dpm has 35kph average and a speed boost? would you rather solo a tankenstein or an annihilator?

Black Prince sits in between but it's getting a slight nerf

iron mesa
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im my opnion tankeinstein its a goood tank

azure quest
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Tankenstein is just a Troll tank because of the high alpha. Not a competitive one

fathom glacier
nimble zodiac
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I play Tankenstein sometimes, and I often don't care if smasher out-DPMs it with alpha too, it's fun to play such a gimmicky gun with pAP with good penetration still, while having extra damage, though it's still out-DPMed by Smasher, at least it has armor.

Buffing the hull armor to 250mm is unnecessary, people still go for the lower plate, the turret is definitely loaded with weakpoints, and the only buff I believe it should have is a turret cheek buff, up to 180mm/200mm.

Or buff the traverse speed, gladly being slower than Maus'

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teal crystal
# fathom glacier Do you always play only with tankenstein? I don’t play only t7. Just t8-10. you ...

not always compared to Annihilator spammers, I want to play my tanks that gather dust eventually, even for birthdays but the inbalance is just terrible

@nimble zodiac , when was the last patch they even reviewed it, just flew under the radar after update 5.0-5.5

@azure quest @mental pasture
so you guys don't care if annihilator is totally recking T7? plus Tankenstein is rarely played, definitely needs a rework of some kind as a counter to spammers

idk what my WN8 is in it, but it's a terrible tank across the board compared to every other heavy that has been touched, exception being the AMX that is getting a nerf in the most unexpected of updates

azure quest
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Why making Tankenstein to a really good tank? It's just a tank for fun like Tog II or Su100Y. These Tanks shouldn't be extremly good(Ik Su100y is really punishing on t6 bc of the alpha but it is easy to outplay too)
I can live with Annihilator

mental pasture
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^
Better option, instead of checking #game-news, I'll just send it here

"So you're comparing an OP tank with a balanced one to justify buffs that aren't necessary at all?
There's already a counter for Annihilator in tier 7, it's T29 and look up, it stills a threat (actually now there's another threat, which is T29 too).

Buffing another tank won't resolve the tier 7 problem, it'll make it worse. Apparently you don't want Tankenstein to be buffed because It's current stats, but only because you want to counter only 1 tank even if this will affect much more tanks.

Buff ideology sucks, if nowadays we have to fight a Maus with more than 3k HP it's because of noobs that couldn't play heavies correctly and demanded buffs."

Also, Tankenstein was buffed relatively recently due to the heavy HP buff

nimble zodiac
mental pasture
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That's exactly the same HP buff that helped to ruin the tier 7 and made Maus have more than 3k HP.

Buffing ideology kills.

gleaming apexBOT
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dynoSuccess シ Yangire ಠ_ಠ#0876 has been warned.

tidal palm
unique scaffold
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No the jpanther 2 is the faster one.the ferdinand has great armor but is slower.i am playing jpanther 2 and it makes fun caus you canot get cyrcled

azure quest
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I disagree that T29 is a Anni counter. The gun is too unreliable. Feels like shooting with a driving KV2. There are better Anni counters like IS2 1945, Tiger I, BP, Type 62,...
Ferdinand has 0 armor lol

nimble zodiac
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Oh it has armor, it's just not angled at all like JPan II's

mental pasture
# tidal palm Is the jpanther2 more armour than Ferdinand

Technically yes. Ferdinand have 200mm in the hull and in the casemate, but if I recall correctly the Jagdpanther 2's casemate have 250mm effective armor, but the hull have 150mm.

@azure quest I disagree about the little Ferdy, it can troll some fools and block tier 7 shots. If it was properly angled then it'd become a real Maus.

Also, T29 is an Annihilator counter but not because of the gun. T29 have enough hull armor to block Annihilator AP and the turret is impenetrable even for AP.
T29 also have the OP consumables, sandbags, it's fairly faster because of the consumables and in therms of precision at long range the T29 is superior than Annihilator.

teal crystal
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T29 is one of the few tanks that counters it, forget it when Annihilator loads prammo and you forget the sandbags lol

at range it can be easy to pick off, but then again, forget it if you get ambushed by it, 600-700hp gone in .99 seconds

Jpanther can counter it, so can Chi-to SPG, but I don't play those tanks frequently unless they have birthdays that come up in my feed

I'll take my WN8 in all tanks except Annihilator and keep an eye on my own weekly WN8 disparaties, but calling it rn that Smasher is next to annihilator and Tankenstein comes lat, T29 3rd, Tiger I and AMX M4 49 I need to buy again for experimental reasons Tiger P as well
I need about 3 heavies to buy back

azure quest
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It's nearly impossible to not pen Ferdi. I've played the tank several times in tours just to Troll around and bounces were really rare. The tank can't angle and will def not become Maus. T29 is still harder to handle in a battle than Anni. Anni will smash your Team. Meanwhile you have to struggle with the gun handling

drowsy plaza
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A good T29 player will own the tier 7 battlefield

gleaming apexBOT
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dynoSuccess MiLaaN77#5563 was muted

teal crystal
young fractal
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why wg wont nerf that thing

signal storm
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Chrysler K has unnecessary advantage. Average ammo capacity for tier 8 is like 40 yet Chrysler K has 100 ammo capacity. Most probably, the reason why it is so is that WG copied this tank directly from WoT PC. This tank has advantage for ammo capacity in PC version because there are larger map and matches are 15vs15. But for Blitz, this advantage is nothing. So I recommend that something should be done for this tank like they can increase penetration instead of ammo capacity so that this tank will be balanced.

dusky root
azure quest
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Before T29 dominates T7 the Chance is higher that Mk6 becomes a meta tank

tidal palm
distant river
nocturne mauve
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Ah of course tier 7 is dominated by heavies, too much HP, consumables and provisions

azure quest
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T7 Meds can't dominate because they have no armor and most of them really Bad Pen.
Gun handling is really important for any tank. Without a reliable gun you can't abuse your dpm and you are forced to fight in close range. But you can't use your strong turret in every position and carrying with this gunhandling seems difficult too

tall ridge
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^Yes, you're not wrong there but that's why you flank around the sides (With support)

winged barn
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With the ridiculous armor profile the t29 has, you can safely fully aim each shot. Compared to peeking for the minimum amount of time and snapping a shot off, its gonna be much more accurate than most tanks.

drowsy plaza
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Biggest issue (beyond the HP and Armor fiascos in tier 7) is that the 3.8 Equipment system totally boned several tier 7 meds.

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Less DPM - other clowns now get VSTAB too, and you are dealing with more armor, more accurate, further seeing, more mobile (than pre 3.8) heavies with now more HP and More Armor.

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While that applies above as well. It was most noticeable in tier 7 (and the Sherman’s in 6) as VSTAB wasn’t universal to all tanks in those tiers (and not on TD at all until 3.H8)

mental pasture
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@teal crystal You clearly don't know how broken T29 is in it's actual form just because it doesn't shot 3x210.

@azure quest Kinda yes, usually T7 mediums means only 3 things: DPM, precision and sometimes agility (Unless Panther, that thing is arguably the best tier 7 med because of the frontal armor and gun). Some of them even struggle a lot to fight even other mediums (Y5 Elc Bis moment).

Let's also memtion that most of tier 7 heavies aren't slugs, iirc the only exception is Black Prince which will get faster on the next update.
Why would you ever want to play a medium if Tiger 1 does the medium tank job but better?
I remember people joking about Tiger 1 being a tier 8 medium.

azure quest
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Imagine T7 meds can't pen the weak spots of T8 heavies

winged flame
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is happenin now

mental pasture
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Panther is the best med.

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crisp galleon
full token
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The gun is tier 8

mental pasture
distant river
leaden flare
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nowadays i really want IS-4 armor nerfed
it has HP
the best armor profile for T10 except for maybe vk 90
its not slow as hell
decent gun
and the most annoying thing the armor highlighting on it basically doesnt work im bouncing grey shots all the time close up without any chance to miss them whatsoever

not like they said they fixed it last time @quasi axle

quasi axle
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armor highlighting is getting fixed in 8.1 or something

full token
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not really fixed, just changed so it basically tells you what pens for damage and what doesnt, rather than just saying whether itll go through that armor even if it isnt dealing damage

drowsy plaza
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Back in 5.0 Open Test Armor Highlights where tested.

leaden flare
drowsy plaza
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It didn’t work like intended. So it was withheld and has been reworked to better display changes in plates

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The problem with the current model of highlights is it picks a spot in the plate to use that has the average. That spot might not be representing what your aiming at due to angles

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Same reasoning that some red armor isn’t actually red to you.

unique scaffold
leaden flare
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its not do you even know what on paper means ?
on paper = big number
IS-4 has effective armor

quasi axle
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protip the sides have a weakspot

wicked cloud
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turtle mk 1 needs a massive armor buff to the top left and right of the hull
also needs a buff to at least 1 other part of the tank, ideally the gun in some way
dont think this needs much justification its one of the worst tanks at tier 8 lol

teal crystal
# mental pasture <@388017556218445825> You clearly don't know how broken T29 is in it's actual fo...

I own them, too easy to destroy enemy teams, and I literally mentioned they both broken, reckon reading comprehension?

oh and I remember before they reworked everything, the game was totally balanced and prammo didn't lose alpha for extra penetration

in this meta? hahahah I still see more bots in good tech tree counters to the annihilator, than the annihilator being a bot, definitely depends on who is driving that can ruin balance

you even said you were tired of noobs nerfing and buffing certain tanks, take the feedback from 7 year accounts that have high WN8

looking back, some buffs were actually big brain moves, but seriously why you buff heavies from T5-T7? their armor profiles in general were overworked and now they need nerfs so low pen medium and lights have something to aim at that isn't impenetrable frontally now there are seal clubbers and spammers abusing those tiers and never getting better at higher tiers, then people cry that the rebalance made more noobs

because I don't play dirty spammer in my time on the NA server

mental pasture
# teal crystal I own them, too easy to destroy enemy teams, and I literally mentioned they both...

I was talking about this line of dialog.
"Crusader6 [III-R] NA — Today at 9:21 AM
A good T29 player will own the tier 7 battlefield
Dyno
BOT
— Today at 9:21 AM
:dynoSuccess: MiLaaN77#5563 was muted
xX_The_Circus_Xx [DOGZ] — Today at 9:25 AM
more like a Unicum T29 and Annihilator, annihilate the balance of the tier"

No T29 player need to be unicum in order to counter Annihilator, all you need is a small ridge. A ridge with half a meter already works well, but if it have more than 1 meter then it's perfect.

I didn't ask if you saw more annihilators being bots or how old is your account, I'm saying that I'm tired about noobs asking for buffs because they want to have something as OP as Annihilator.
If you took the 'noob' part personally, it's not my fault. I wasn't targeting this to you.

Now, if you allow me, I'll play a bit of WT. You can wait patiently for WG to buff Tankenstein unnecessarily in order to counter an OP tank. Why not more OP vehicles in order to counter something that already exist? Think about it. Adeus! (good bye, but in portuguese).

teal crystal
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more like nerf annihilator intraclip to .7 seconds, nerf heavy hull armor across the board because AMX is getting a nerf in the gun which doesn't make sense as ARL will just be better now and then

@azure quest , hence why i said by WN8, people with WN8 on a variety of tanks should be able to provide feedback since they are performing their tanks role and understand balance

people with WN8 on a single tank obviously don't care about balance
cough Annihilator, Chimera, obj 252U

edit: when did I mention my personal WN8 bro? @mental pasture

kind of easy to farm WN8 in those tanks without a team ngl, but if you play tech tree counterparts, prepare to cry as the armor profiles troll RNG sometimes

biggest offender is Annihilator, then I ask myself, how do they even test these tanks?

azure quest
# teal crystal I own them, too easy to destroy enemy teams, and I literally mentioned they both...

You need the feedback from all playerbases. Not only Pros or based on the age of the account. I saw people who are 7 years in the game and still play bad. If WG only takes feedback from one group then tanks might get undeserved buffs and nerfs-------
Everyone has a different opinion that's why it is a terrible idea. Idc about wn8s or stats in general either. Chimera and 252u are fine actually so idk what you want to nerf there. In the next update 50% winrate or lower players aren't allowed to use the chat function because only 60% players are the Pros and their opinion matter or what?

mental pasture
# teal crystal more like nerf annihilator intraclip to .7 seconds, nerf heavy hull armor across...

Honestly, sorry if I look kinda aggressive, but I recall none asking if your WN8 is good.

"I'll take my WN8 in all tanks except Annihilator and keep an eye on my own weekly WN8 disparaties...." bla bla bla
"you even said you were tired of noobs nerfing and buffing certain tanks, take the feedback from 7 year accounts that have high WN8" I suppose you're taling about your own account.
"idk what my WN8 is in it, but it's a terrible tank across the board compared to every other he....." more bla bla bla
Shall I mention more times?

"biggest offender is Annihilator, then I ask myself, how do they even test these tanks?"
I don't recall any tester on Anni, also, if they didn't test it, it was on purpose of being op.

unique scaffold
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Pleas nerf gun accuracy on M III YOH autoloader gun.i did never bounce a shoot from it in heavys or good armored TD's.and i mean every time

teal crystal
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guess some people don't want rebalance because heavies will be like they were before the heavy rework with armor being troll and the hp pools being large

azure quest
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T8-10 is pretty fine atm. just the casual crying about tanks like Chimera, 252u, Annihilator, Smasher,...

mental pasture
# teal crystal guess some people don't want rebalance because heavies will be like they were be...

I believe that heavies can be balanced with that HP because for every buff,there should be a drawback.
It's simple, You must know that heavies are divided by 3 sub classes (Super heavies, heavies and heaviums), then widely the view range among super heavies and heavies. I stated why do it and the benefits of this nerf a lot of times in #tank-balance-discussion. Scroll up and you'll learn why heavies and super heavies should be "blind shields".

Well, That's an end. I'll be playing M4A3 105, bye.

teal crystal
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ok, three classes there, but what identifies as a superheavy in T5-7 because those armor profiles are still broken against medium and light tanks

you know what? tired of seeing their balancing efforts just restore game as it was pre 5.5

azure quest
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it's not the "broken" armor profiles. These mediums just have really terrible pen or poor alpha. Same for T8 meds
@unique scaffold Which tank do you mean right now?

unique scaffold
leaden flare
# azure quest it's not the "broken" armor profiles. These mediums just have really terrible pe...

Personally I do find chimera too strong
Heavy gun in terms of pen and DMG
A decent chunk of Armor for occasional life saving bounces
And really good hp for a medium
All in all I find that too much for a tank that's supposed to be fine

Less pen, worse HP, the terrible bloom on the move, no special consumables, less alpha and no gun mantlet that can absorb dumb amounts of pen and yeah less gd (chimera absorbed several ISU prammo shells in its mantlet for some odd reason not that I aimed there but RNGesus gave me the middle finger) @Sk1llz_#8023

Yeah but it was about chimera beeing to strong not t34s beeing to weak

azure quest
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What about T-34-3 and T-34-2 then

teal crystal
azure quest
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175mm AP Pen is enough for most things on T8 and the high Gold Pen helps you to Pen the best armored Tanks. Also working with 5° isn't easy but acceptable

distant river
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The chimera heavily caters towards average players. It's got HP, troll armour even on the hull for when you make mistakes, food enough mobility for an average player and a gun that's very forgiving and has the alpha and pen and depression to compensate for a lot. Quite a few of its advantages aren't really abusable to a good player so at the higher end of skills it's down to personal preference, that's why you don't see the rise in the right hand of the graph in blue but you do in grey.

On the other hand the 34-2 has a lot less noob friendly features but the aim time, armour and prammo pen help it to shine at the top end for people that like it

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leaden flare
distant river
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Yeah the 34-2 is pretty much perfectly balanced rn (ignoring heavy meta) but the chimera is just a bit too good in every single way really

mental pasture
teal crystal
leaden flare
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Kinda preferred pre 5.5 too but only for diversity nothing else, the seal clubbing was a serious problem but imo the latest changes were nice and by that I mean the new tutorial and extra MM so I guess they could put the tanks back

Despite obvious balancing problems at t5 and 6
BDR T1 and so on

fallen bane
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Avg damage of each Annihilator's she'll is 190? If it is so the tank is very OP to newcomers and itself on Tier VI...

true laurel
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Hey wg can u please fix ur matchmaking I'm getting tons of battles where I have afks sitting in the back. Or when there r two of the same tanks for example I'm playing my comet and there r two emil1s on the enemy team and I don't have any strong turetted tanks on my team. Or just when there are 2 non platooning annihilators.

mental pasture
# teal crystal Jokes on you, I'm only there for the birthdays on the tanks I asked, what are s...

Using the same tricks I did? Funny boy.
Ok then, let's say the tanks that have a super heavy armor in tier 5-7

  • T5
    KV-220-BT, BDR, T1 Heavy
  • T6
    Vk 36.01 H
  • T7
    Black Prince, T29
    The Super heavy sub-class only appears normally in tier 8 ad beyond.
  • T8
    Vk 100, KV-4, KV-5, Vk 168, E75TS
  • T9
    Mauschen, Vk 45.02 B, ST-I, E75
  • T10
    IS-4, Maus, E100, Vk 90,Vk 72

This comment about seal clubbing is senseless.

elfin herald
#

Nerf smasher

winged barn
teal crystal
mental pasture
# winged barn ~~black prince, kv5~~ T29, t32 Kv5 has solid medium armor

Black Prince is rather slow and armored enough for this.
Kv-5 is big enough for this, as for it's weight.
I also woudn't considere T32 as a super heavy because unlike in T29, the hull armor is rather too thin for this in my opinion. Effective 217mm or 194mm after AP normalization is kinda Ferdinand level, But I can't argue that the turret is extremely solid.

I accept T29 as super heavy.

twin egret
#

VK 74 isn'tt super heavy?

mental pasture
drowsy plaza
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I wouldn’t consider the T29 or T32 super heavies. Both require hiding the hull. The T29 can still be penned by tier 6 meds in the lower plate - while considerably more idiot proof than before it’s hull armor buff, it really needs terrain and to fight hulldown

twin egret
mental pasture
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Magnus is kinda of an M6 and both are... you know, kinda too weak against prammo.

hasty flower
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Magnus is an underrated gigachad in the right hands
The T1 heavy of its tier

twin egret
mental pasture
# hasty flower Magnus is an underrated gigachad in the right hands The T1 heavy of its tier

Maybe against a med like M4A3E8 that have the same gun from a tier 5 tank, but advanced mediums kinda do it too well.

Ok then, but usually Super heavies aren't exactly the type of heavy that demands much skill to bounce something. Magnus is a well armored heavy, but remains just a heavy for me.
Talking about M6, @winged barn would you considere the M6 EXP as a super heavy?

hasty flower
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I said in the right hands

winged barn
# drowsy plaza I wouldn’t consider the T29 or T32 super heavies. Both require hiding the hull. ...

The superheavy playstyle is just being able to survive under fire, and be a wall to the enemy team. The t32, 29, and kran all get this job done exceptionally well, they just require a tiny bit of a hill to do it.

Those three all also have ridiculous amounts of hp, making them have effectively the best survivability in their tiers

The m6 exp is meh. Sure frontally, its basically a superheavy, but the sides make it laughable when it comes to actual armor.

glacial bear
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M6 exp also can be penned in the turret ring pretty easy.

mental pasture
compact grove
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Hola :D

kind estuary
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Or you could HE the tank

lapis sigil
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Annhilator is balanced

somber kestrel
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Lmao yeah suuuure it is

fiery pike
lapis sigil
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T28 is broken

full token
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Wait for the TS-5

lapis sigil
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Best t8 premium?

thick raft
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Buff every tank to one shooting and killing and give them an impenetrable side armour, that's perfect balance, also give everything a magazine system

lapis sigil
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Imagine

signal storm
humble hemlock
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Plssss balance all t7 tanks that tier is brocken

long jungle
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WG balance the matchmaking thing in blitz it's sick

humble hemlock
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Yep once I lost more than 50 consecutive battles with 2000 damage per battle

full token
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sure you did

thick rover
vale thunder
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ok

fiery pike
humble hemlock
# fiery pike Sure...

It's actually true I was 2 days without winning a battle then I took a break in the game

mental pasture
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@long jungle Don't blame the matchmaker because you struggle to win. Players that go to the official tournaments also have the same matchmaker as you and they don't blame MM.

@signal storm It doesn't make much sense, that's why not much people answered. Ammo capacity isn't a balancing factor (unless it's extremely low) and there's no reason to buff the penetration of this premium.

unique scaffold
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This channel isn’t about the matchmaker. It’s about vehicle balance. Complain about your inability to to win with the random teams you are given somewhere else (preferably on some other server).

gleaming apexBOT
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dynoSuccess Josh1945_blitz#7395 was muted

signal storm
# mental pasture <@854362327380787202> Don't blame the matchmaker because you struggle to win. Pl...

I don't think that your answer makes much much sense. If it is not a balancing factor-which I meant as well- then this tank should have advantage for a balancing factor instead of this unnecessary stuff. There is also no much difference between extremely low and extremely high and there should be reason why this tank has that much ammo capacity-I explained my opinion for this reason- Buffing the penetration was just idea, there can be another buffing though.

full token
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The way you worded it makes it look like the capacity reduction is a nerf, and so the penetration buff would be needed to make up for that nerf

signal storm
full token
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so if its not a balancing factor, why should the tank get a buff here to compensate for the ammo capacity nerf

signal storm
# full token so if its not a balancing factor, why should the tank get a buff here to compens...

I meant that it is not balancing factor for Blitz, so something should be done (buff) so that this tank will become more balanced COMPARE TO PC. Imagine that you bring tank from PC to Blitz, for other tank properties like penetration or engine power, you can directly copy these properties or slightly changed from PC 'cause these properties are balancing factor for both games. But if there is a property that is not balancing factor for both game, then another balancing factor should be change so that tank would be balanced.

full token
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huh still doesnt make sense. Lets just forget PC exists. Balance in Blitz is independent of PC. Now, do you think the Chrysler K needs a buff?

signal storm
worn thistle
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I ssly think that now with such high damage and penetration guns in the 8-10 tiers, they should REALLY REALLY consider buffing tortoises armour. I mean the tank is so slow because it’s heavy due to its “armour” so if the tank doesn’t have enough armour then make it a bit fast at least

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They are willing to drastically change tanks from what they are on pc, case in point kranvagn. It is safe to say that wot pc balance isn't of concern for blitz balance team. Besides, I am pretty sure Ribble has mentioned before that they don't look at pc, in fact they want to divert away from just being a "pocket edition" of wot

drowsy plaza
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It’s been repeatedly stated that PC Stats have zero bearing on Blitz.

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The Chrysler K has the same gun as the T32. If you want a turret and armor - with mobility - you pay for it with gun stats.

rustic hemlock
limpid halo
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How to use chieftain mk.6 effectively?

twin egret
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do british things

vivid hinge
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:3

nimble zodiac
sharp saddle
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@limpid halo Always look for ways to hide your hull, such as utilising the 10 degrees of gun depression on a ridgeline. The hull isn’t great and you won’t be bouncing much with it, so you want to always try and hide it.

Avoid being a typical heavy and trying to frontline and take superheavies head on, it doesn’t do great there. You want to be using the mobility to take up different positions or support a part of the team, such as going with your mediums for example

unique scaffold
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Read the pinned messages. It’s really not that difficult

winged barn
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This is kinda funny. Other than pen, the tier 7 is the way to go.

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outer glen
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Just giving my idea :D (look at the upper left) (still related to balancing things right) xd

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hearty steeple
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Nope, with extra nope

plush perch
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give st emil golden ammo

pure raven
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Higher the number of shells on Ru-251

distant river
# plush perch give st emil golden ammo

Honestly it doesn't really need it, it's standard pen is plenty enough for almost every situation. If it had prammo it would either be practically worthless to carry, or so high pen it was broken. The only possible thing that might be useful would be to give it something like 460/420/600 and make sure it's prammo wasn't much of a pen boost over normal AP, but that's too much to ask from WG to get right.

fallow raptor
safe rapids
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Agreed

nimble zodiac
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Meme deleted, back to being dormant

bold dagger
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thx

warm hawk
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is-7 ammorack goes boom

nimble zodiac
unique scaffold
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Why does the M III needs that mobility? Cant it just get a better armor and a lower mobility

unique scaffold
nimble zodiac
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BAAHAA turret roof OP

thick rover
# nimble zodiac No buff needed my friend

every tank has a certain degree of forgiving mistakes, just that IS-7 is not that forgiving in terms of the ammorack. Yet the degree of forgiveness and other traits of the tank are still balancing factors imo

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We could hit two birds with one stone by having the frontal pike being harder to penetrate, since that's most often where ammo racks happen (the corners of them)

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I dont think the ammorack is that much of an issue. It’s not such a common occurrence and the chance is low enough. I myself haven’t experienced any IS7 ammoracks for a long time

nimble zodiac
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I don't think it's a problem and I believe IS-7 needs no changes, and probably even has too much HP when looking at tier 10 as a whole instead of the heavies. My offer was just to give an idea, which doesn't need to be implemented

Though I wouldn't mind it 😌

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Funny how I have the is 7 and haven’t gotten ammo racked yet. But I think the is 7 could use some buffs. Not armor buff, armors great against meds and troll against heavies. No but i mean buff it’s gun and mobility.
Mobility I think increasing its engine power to 1150 or 1200 like on the PC might good and it would increase its acceleration.and buffing it’s turret and and hull traverse wouldn’t be too bad. Srsly for a tank that has a better engine and P2W ratio and it having a slower turn around is bad. Maybe giving it the same turn speed or a bit more

It’s gun deserves a buff in pen. Standard should be increased to 265 and the apcr to 335. And I would like to see it’s damage to from 260 to 280 and he damage from 600 to 620 like on the amx m4 mle 54. And maybe transfer the damage to the obj 263 since they both have the same gun caliber of 130mm

nimble zodiac
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IS-7 needs no buff, no 480 alpha (though you mistyped 260 and 280), no more penetration, because it does IS-7's job anyways, kill mediums. And just because of the same caliber gun, doesn't allow damage transfer

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The hp buff made it a decent tank. I dont think its in need of any further buffs

drowsy plaza
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IS-7 is in a great spot. Now some other heavies deserve the nerf bat. But that doesn’t mean the IS-7 is weak.

thick rover
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does 215B need buff bat? 🤓 Waddabout 5A

nimble zodiac
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Naw

candid steeple
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I pen IS-7 a lot of time in that spot with big guns and I just once got an ammorack. Maybe you people are unlucky or I am just unlucky to get that juicy hp number.

fallow raptor
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But if for example the wg did as on wot PC and transformed the m48 patton into m48 a5 patton? Obviously this would result in an increase in turret armor, and in my opinion it would make this tank more balanced

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I wouldn't mind IS-4 nerf but WG should then remove it's side weakpoint that is making IS-4 unusable to sidescare if people know where to shoot. Also E5 is underperforming right now if E5 is not using consumables. Tbh E5 is pretty dead from meta right now. I am rarely seeing that tank and if I can see it. Then tank is easy to pen. Maybe meds find it hard but against other heavies it's different story.

nimble zodiac
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E5 is meta idk man

candid steeple
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Actually you are right. I came back to E5. I remember why I liked the tank. That gun tho I don't find it hard to fight against E5. E5 is one of more balanced heavies if you ask me. You always have room to punish since turret ain't strong enough to compete with IS-7 chieftain and so on.

If you ask me now is autoloader meta. I see them every time I play tier X. M AMX T57 Kran. Game can't go without 2-3 of them in a match.

nimble zodiac
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I think that’s just the strength-o-meter event in action, damage is priority

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latent snow
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The only light tank aspect about the kunze panzer is its armor, the tank is slower than an e50m. Seriously its like the tank is towing a ship

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E5 is most definitely meta, you see it all the time in tier ten, particularly in tournaments as well.
What E5 just doesn’t need is the special consumables it gets, and the Chieftain turret isn’t that great, and an easier turret to deal with than an E5’s.

gleaming apexBOT
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dynoSuccess Vivus#8493 has been warned.

candid steeple
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Good thing that WG overbuffed AT 15A armor. Always special treatment to premiums. You just need enough people to ask for a buff and then overbuff the hell out of it because it's a premium. WG doesn't know what buff means. They only know what overbuffing something means.

AT just rolling towards me and only thing with 200m pen pennable is comanders tiny cupola. Good job WG as always. I honestly hope for you to never buff things again and from now on only focus on nerfing broken *.

frail silo
vast notch
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I think tiger 131 needs an slight buff for its frontal armor its front should be like icebreaker or vk36

hearty steeple
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Hmmm when was the at15a armour buffed?

quasi axle
latent snow
candid steeple
# quasi axle Well the whole point of the tank is to have armor

Whole point of the tank is to have retarded dpm and now retarded armor. If they make armor too strong they could at least nerf it's dpm. YEAH MAKE IT ALL BE RED. This is now stupid mentality of Blitz players.

And you all support WG overbuffing premiums so now AT and Jag 8.8 are completely idiot proof after getting 2 enormous buffs. But people still see it as okay.

unique scaffold
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Why is an Action X able to pen me -_-

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From what I can see at15a always had that armour. It recieved a very significant dpm buff, tho that was 7-8 months ago. Not sure what to say if you noticed it now other than assuming this is the first time in a long time you saw an at15a in battle

drowsy plaza
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More reflective of your position

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distant river
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If you are trying to engage an AT frontally without prammo you are playing badly. They are slow as hell, they still have the 150mm cupola, and you need to sit in front of them like a lemon for them to do more than 200 damage. It's specifically an anti-idiot tank.

frail silo
mental pasture
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drowsy plaza
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@dusty steppe Armor Inspector

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leaden flare
candid steeple
# leaden flare imagine saying at 15 is bot proof that tank is slow, HEable and its armor only w...

Which tank has 330mm pen at tier VII. Please enlighten me and even if one does for some reason like it matter that only one has it. Also we only look at it's tier and tier above. What above tier below? Armor is almost impossible to pen after the buff if you are not ARL and tank has double or even more then half of dpm then any other tier VI on average. If I see everything red on a tank then something is wrong there and if people think that it's fine then I honestly don't know. Do you want every buff to be red armor everywhere? This is just making for tiers below to be less enjoyable to play. AT should have weakness other then cupola because it's not big and with now poor accuracy tanks at that tier have it's not an easy target to hit consistently while also AT can hit you 2-3 times before you can even fully aim. It's dumb and I will never support this kind of balance changes. If you all think that this is fair I gotta say you can't complain about heavy tank hp buffs.

Just shoot gold is not a solution. Only some tier VII got gold that can pen it. Tier VI can dream on. Ofc I will use gold but that's a stupid way to buff a tank.

quasi axle
leaden flare
# candid steeple Which tank has 330mm pen at tier VII. Please enlighten me and even if one does f...

su 100m1 has a base heat pen of 330mm with cs it goes up to 363mm
Also the cupola of AT15a is pennable the gun mantlet should be pennable as well its basically a AT15 so it inherits the same weak spots probably
2nd its slow as hell just reposition if possible and if its not possible well then u are in a horrible position and the enemy certainly did smth right or you did something really wrong
3rd you talk about the tank as if its in every single battle which it isnt, its rare to even see one and guess why ? its not OP and not enjoyable to play because its armor isnt that great and its slow as hell
4th prammo mostly rips it apart and yes obvioulsy a armored vehicle shouldnt be all grey to a lower tier tank
5th it cant ttrade very well with 200 alpha

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330 is just what TDs can get. Most tanks won’t go above 300mm at tier 7. But still, prammo is usually good enough to pen the at15a

leaden flare
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i dont even have problems penning them with AP

twilit crystal
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Ybwoukd u use cs on the su100m1. 330 autopdns all

leaden flare
granite light
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I think the panther 1 need more gun deap because i was playing with the panther and i gonna die cuz i dont have gun deap and i was gonna damage the enemy penetrate me and killing me

graceful totem
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Make a temporary mode to disable unrealastic tanks like Smasher Annihilator Gravedigger Dracula etc.

candid steeple
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VK 72.01 K could honestly got it's turret cheeks buff or that entire dome buffed to 180-200mm. Meds just spam at it and pen it with ease. Pretty fair. But don't worry E100 should have 150 more hp and better dpm and more reliable armor.

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unique scaffold
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Hi guys

nimble zodiac
# unique scaffold Hi guys

Hello, in this channel we talk about what changes should be made to tanks in order to balance the game

@unique scaffold Gravedigger performs terribly in tier 8, but greatly in tier 6, which is a good spot for tier 7, because that's how the tiers should be

It helps to compare a tank to another in its tier, because it's (supposed to be) always stronger than a tank a tier below

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@nimble zodiac ik thanks for the info i think wg should move gravedigger from t7 to t8 cuz it's very unfair for t6 in t7rooms my Cromwell has always get tortured by gravedigger ;(

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@nimble zodiac kaiiii cool u have a gravedigger?

nimble zodiac
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Yes

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tanks can always have a hard time against a higher tier opponent. Thats how its intended to be

candid steeple
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You need gold to even have a chance to pen lower plate on gravedigger as tier VI. Tho Gravedigger struggles against tier VIII.

drowsy plaza
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Use mobility and don’t face it head on…

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Most tier 6 meds guns can pen the GraceDigger lower plate without gold at the perfect angle. Which usually results in a really bad trade.

unique scaffold
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Nice tipps, thanks guys! ;)

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@granite light -6° workable, the Panther is already good enough and absolutely don't need more buffs.

@graceful totem It already exists. It's called as Realistic Mode.

@candid steeple I disagree. Instead of noobproofing the tank, would be better for just wiggle the turret.
As for the E100, it absolutely don't need a buff. It have more than enough HP, enough DPM for a derp heavy and it's armor is good enough.

candid steeple
# mental pasture <@700698139954249858> -6° workable, the Panther is already good enough and absol...

VK has the lowes survival rate of all heavies in tier X. Also I didn't ask for E100 buff. Tank is on a stronger side. And no VK needs some sort of the buff to it's armor. It can't sidescrape nor can it go hull down and if Vk shows it's lower plate everyone will load gold and that will be it.

I honestly think that buffing VK dome shape of the turret and body to 180mm should be a good buff without making tank too strong but harder to pen and less annoying to play.

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I think it should get back its complete 160mm side before the nerf

And yeah, the turret nest can be 180mm :p
Maybe even more

sudden granite
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I recommend you edit out his name before you get warned/muted.

candid steeple
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You think that 42% is too low? Wait till you see 30% players. Also unless they are violating some rules of the game WG won't ban them. After all this are random battles and you have to take into account that you will meet players that play like bots. After all you can fail till tier X.

How you posted it it seems just like you were mad at him and posted this just because you got mad for a lose. Tbh without context for a violation this post of yours is invalid.

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nimble zodiac
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Every popular game is full of these people

But because stats are a tap/click away, it's easier to jump on this game for giving you "bad teammates"

They're mostly bad, you have to carry hard

junior yoke
nimble zodiac
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The ability to outdo the atrocities of your teammates separates the wolf from the sheep

But without the sheep, there would be no wolves.

stray verge
gleaming apexBOT
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dynoSuccess The_Shadow_03#8413 was muted

nimble zodiac
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So what we gonna do about Caernarvon? 🥲

fluid topaz
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I think that the T71 should be buffed to tier ten with 2500 hp and 248 penn plz weegee

mental pasture
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thick fern
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#nerfsmasheranni

graceful totem
kindred valve
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Turret armor buff for Conqueror

candid steeple
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I just started playing AMX 50 100 and I think that tank for losing on armor should have better accuracy and aiming time.

That tank no one plays. Accuracy is 0.331 but still I got shots that just fly around even though they are an easy hit. Aiming time should be reduced to 3.5s or something like that. 4.7s is way too much.

I think that I am not asking for too much right?

unique scaffold
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Agree. AMX aiming time is too big

quiet mural
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WG should finally change turret armor for M103 and Conqueror because playing on turret on this tanks is pain specialy on Conqueror.

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outer glen
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Did i saw someone said at15a op? Smh u cant fight that tank in a t6 med in front of it lmao
@candid steeple lol at15a ez copula pen why stay in front of the tank lmao every tank have different playstyle why complaining about it lol cant flank it?
Do you expect a tier6 can fight it face to face? Seems like the at15s have much more braincells than u smh

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lucid lotus
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Give -12 depression to Kranvagn 🥶

candid steeple
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I never said that it's OP but it has way too much armor and that's what's dumb when it already has 3400 dpm.

I am complaining that they completely overbuffed the AT armor. Why is tier VII tank having 228mm of armor all around it's front. I don't get how you all see that as normal. AT is dumb to play after the buff.

@outer glen and that should be the only weak point? Good logic you got there. Also how is heavy supposed to go around AT. I see only using medium logic. Again good logic presented.

T95 has more weak spots then AT compared tier for tier. Also commanders hatch is 150mm and most tier VI tanks got 160mm of pen or less. Yeah completely balanced buff.

AT 15A has more armor then Tortoise. Just flank it is an dumb excuse that only sounds good on paper but can't be essealy don't in reality. You know tier X heavies are too strong to face them. You know what we can just flank them. Every heavy can be circled you know so what the problem with heavies? You see how dumb your logic is. I mean we can't complain about heavies in tier X then anymore. On paper they are easy to beat by the method of flanking.

@outer glen smh you are dumb smh. Stupid emoji wont make you look smarter.

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Heavies can pen it easily with prammo there is no issue with any of the AT line

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That tier7 have no mobility what are u talking about? @candid steeple cant flank it? Skill issue? Ofc u cant fight the at15a with tier6 meds smh even using an at15a u need some angling knowledge and using gun depression if the tank aiming at u in the perfect position aka all red around the tank why stay in front of it? Why do mistakes in front of it? I have no problem against an at15a even in a tier6 smh even the tank can easily be flanked if it in wrong position that means dont know how to face the tank itself u say the buff is stu pid the at15a was underrated and horrible to play before need some brain to use it and fight against it lol unlike smasher and annihilator even those 2 tanks need much less skill to play than the at15a lol

And why stay in front of it while ur in a tier6 heavy can't hide? Cant aim?where peekaboo?where hulldown? Skill issue right there
Lol tort is the most underrated tier9 td what are you talking about why compare at15a with tort lol u expecting the at15a will be like a tort? Can be penned by low tier hts?smh 100%skill issue

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How at15 at tier8?the buff makes it way more better from underrated and weak tank to the most insane tank when played correctly no no complain about tier7 cant pen it using regular shells?Still complaining about at15a ruining ur day being a sealclubber with a tier6 heavy? Even with a tier6 heavy u still can search for the copula but why u cant? Cant aim?

The link just got yeeted

plucky widget
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<@&481447501690568709> we got some phising links that can steal ur Ip

quick lichen
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Where?

odd tiger
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u banned him so the link is gone

unique scaffold
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The most irritating thing I find in WoTB, is that the German Tanks have low armor, but in real life they were the most hardest armor to penetrate. The KĂśnigstiger is an example: Hull and turret is fine, but the lower plate is where things go wrong. Even in the Tiger I and other German tanks above tier 7.

Also the down fall of tier 7 German tanks is that the turret if you turn it even the slightest, enemies can easily pen it, even if it's direct at the incoming shell firing. The hull IS ok... But it's not that ok for much tanks as they also can pen it like butter.

winged barn
distant river
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Yes make tanks impenetrable good idea no skill at all

"But they barely need any skill anyway"

Shush it's still too much

unique scaffold
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I do have skill, but some pesky people shoot my commander hatch, and can easily pen me when I'm angling.

frail silo
unique scaffold
candid steeple
# unique scaffold I mean I got penned by a SU-152 by heat on the frontal hull. Not the lower plate...

It's really simple. You know that SU-152 has 250mm on heat so you don't go out and get slapped. It's simple as that. SU has only the gun going for it btw. Tiger I is at the moment in an overbuffed armor state. It used to have 80-100mm of frontal armor you know? Best heavy dpm and bes heavy pen in tier VII with good accuracy plus speed to go 40 km/h and now armor that is pretty solid when used well. Tiger I is in a good spot right now and it dose not need more armor buffs.

quasi axle
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yep because having a tier 7 with 250 mm+ of armor all around the front is b a l a n c e d

unique scaffold
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I was talking about the Tiger II or the KĂśnigstiger

I was thinking of life when I got penned by a heat shell from a tier 7-

In a damn Tiger II

candid steeple
# unique scaffold I was talking about the Tiger II or the KĂśnigstiger I was thinking of life when...

So? Tiger II's armor is even more overbuffed. Front a cheez armor from the front to the almost impenetratable armor after the buff. In my opinion Tiger II buff should be nerfed armor vise. It too unfair against tier VII but yet again theres E 75 TS so .. No Tigers don't need a buff in any stretch of an imagination. I would even say that tiger II became idiotproof against lower tiers after armor buff.

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unique scaffold
sudden path
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Angle

distant river
candid steeple
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Tiger II lower plate. I think that not even E75 can compete with this.

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quasi axle
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fun fact: the lower plate on the tiger 2 has more armor than the upper plate

foggy aurora
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If you want a historically accurate Tiger ll then you would actually be nerfing the vehicle since the vehicle used to have an accurate armor profile to the real life tank until it got buffed due to its underperformance from majority of the player base and players just wanting a buff

nocturne mauve
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Fun fact: tiger 2 is broken

autumn zodiac
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Not really

gleaming apexBOT
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dynoSuccess HeroWonds#1261 has been warned.

nocturne mauve
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Tiger 2 literally has no weakspots on the front

feral night
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Cupola

nocturne mauve
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Nah not really, too small and the tank is very tall

unique scaffold
distant river
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If nothing is going to happen with the armour then tone the gun down a bit. A baby-proofed tank should have a gun suited for babies too

mental pasture
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Fun fact about Tiger 2: In WoT Blitz, the Tiger 2's lowerplate is stronger than the upper plate.

Well, I'm sure not everyone knows this. New players exist. @candid steeple

candid steeple
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Everyone by now knows that. It's not really a fun fact since when you in game load gold and see upper plate pennable and not lower plate.

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stray verge
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Tiger 2 is either invincible to even tier 7 gold shells or is paper to tier 9 standard

nocturne mauve
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The margin between tier 7-8 is very wide tbh, tiger 2 cannot be penned by a lot of tier 7 heavies

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glacial bear
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Yeah not every tier 8 can pen bust most played average can pen at least the front turret(223 mm + its flat) ru 251 can for example

hidden ibex
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Hi

safe rapids
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Ye if T7 heavies load prammo Tiger II becomes butter, not to mention sides especially on turret are VERY thin.

frail silo
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Why not give the tiger2 a similar profile to the E75?
Weak lower plate, good upper plate.
I think the turret can use a little bit of tuning while simultaneously nerfing the lower plate

candid steeple
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Maybe only turret but even turret cheeks are 220mm so not all tier VII can pen that reliably. Tier VII with gold has no way of penning front Tiger II hull. Only thing that is still keeping Tiger from not being completely buster is that they left it with it's weak 80mm side armor. Tiger II needs a nerf to it's lower plate.

quasi axle
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tiger 2 isnt busted rn

lucid lotus
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German heavies? How bout we talk about kranvagn depression

winged barn
candid steeple
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Honestly Kran should get or 12 degree or mobility buff. Moving in kran is so annoying so at least when Kran is in position it should be good at. AMX 50 B is not a hull down tank but has better gun depression. Kran is sacrificing mobility and gun handling alongside dpm and still doesn't even have good enough gun depression to support supposedly ment hull down turret. At least they should try giving it and if tank turn out to be way stronger they can always nerf it back. It's not a premium but WG never fails to overbuff premiums. Don't they dare try making a heavy what that heavy was supposed to be.

Tho I think that Kran is fine right now but still better gun depression is still there to be desired.

quasi axle
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great idea let's buff one of the already meta tier 10s

winged barn
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Such a bad hull down tank smh

Oh wait, did I accidentally put it against the best gun penetration wise in the game? With calibrated even?

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outer glen
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Why complain about tank that already in tours meta? Smh if u complaining about kran depression go try is4 gun depression then BALANS

quasi axle
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I think we should buff the is-4 gun depression to 10 degrees.

glacial bear
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Come on now be realistic. 20 degrees xD

outer glen
# candid steeple Honestly Kran should get or 12 degree or mobility buff. Moving in kran is so ann...

Wdym wg never fails over buffing a prem is the at15a got too much buff? Is the t2020 got too much buff? Even 252u better than the thing is k91 now very op after getting 350 alpha damage wao so OP

@mild igloo i think is4 need gun depression and armor buff tho so WEeEeEK and maus need 10k hitpoints 3k is too weeek 183 need 1750 alpha 1300 alpha so week la buff the 183 turret so paperrrr also add more camo rating in 183 and add vickers light speed in it also grille accuracy also give 183 reticle calibration and improved speed booster very good one

mild igloo
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Buff chalenger stock gun reload 3k dpm at t7 is too low

Nahh i think e50m should get panther 2 mad games abilieties in tournaments

And tiger 2 needs armor buff

And also gimme 5mil gold f2p life sad

Ru 251 is good

unique scaffold
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Is ru 251 worth grinding it?

quasi axle
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ru 251 not really leopard 1 yes

unreal summit
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Irradiator perk gives you +50% damage dealt to enemy tank.
Jgpz E100 AP damage roll is 600-1000,
50% of 1000 is 500
High roll + irradiator perk gives you 1.5k pure damage in total. explain please?

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Its a max roll and give this armor profile in 183 :D

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rustic hemlock
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mental pasture
# rustic hemlock So Tiger 2 is useless?

No, that's actually the otherwise, Tiger 2 can be meta if there's a decent player playing.
All you'll need in angling and pray for a T34/M6 EXP or LĂśwe does the vibe check on you.

rare sleet
# unique scaffold The most irritating thing I find in WoTB, is that the German Tanks have low armo...

In real life the german tanks armor were overrated, only in the early war periods did Tiger 1's dominate however late war periods Allied firepower greatly increased and could butter through tigers. IN the Game to compensate, they actually super over buffed german armor to give the perception of Strong german engineering that is so stereo typically viewed on german tanks..

Obviously because the guns mounted on alot of tanks are fake, but guess wut WoTB is a Arcade tank game, go play bloody warthunder if you want something realistic, then you'll find out german tanks still are not impenetrable from the front

drowsy plaza
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WarThunder isn’t realistic either. So many 90mm shells fail to pen the front of Tiger I’s is moronic. The 76mm could butter a Tiger. Let alone a post war 90mm.

gleaming apexBOT
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dynoSuccess RFstreamDuy#8597 has been warned.

twin egret
turbid arrow
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do yall think vickers light should be nerfed again?it was soo good with the turret armor

jagged crescent
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i think its fine

dawn karma
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MVI Yoh on madgames are bit OP. You can heal while dumping 1.5k damage

candid steeple
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Mediums are a bit broken with ramming people for their entire hp while being invisible. In my opinion just don't play that game mode. It's biased trash of which tank has better abilities.

mental pasture
quasi axle
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Nobody complains about heavies being broken in pubs but complain about fun modes 😔

teal crystal
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new idea for rebalancing

Increase shell carry capacity of T49

replace HEAT with AP shells, recude pen to 140mm (152 conventional)
HE cheaper and with slightly higher damage (to balance out spall liner)
no prammo

Annihilator

make the shells semi-auto ith 1.5 Second intraclip like the predator UM
nerf lower plate armor so it can be HE'd by 152mm cannons

Smasher, I hardly see people play it anymore, it's balanced

buff TVP gun depression up 10°

reintroduce derps from tier II-V

mental pasture
# teal crystal new idea for rebalancing >Increase shell carry capacity of T49 >replace HEAT wi...

I kinda disagree with a few parts of it.
Reduce pen in T49 is... weird to say the least. It that you purpose it to have AP, but it's not worth in my view.
No higher damage is necessary on it, if I recall correctly, there's only 2 vehicles that have spall liner in T8

I kinda need to be the "devil's attorney" now, but in Annihilator you click once and shot 3 times. Taking 3 seconds to shot all the shells without the control to stop is... kinda too much.

Lack of people playing certain tank doesn't mean it's balanced.

TVP don't need buffs, it's good enough on its actual state.

We don't need to re-introduce the seal clubbers to beat new players.

quasi axle
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Wargaming isn't gonna revert 5.5

drowsy plaza
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TVP VTU is trash on paper. But it’s got a stellar gun. It’s actually a really good tank in the meta now as it can hammer on anything it sees (if you can work with the GD - but that’s an individual issue).

teal crystal
# mental pasture I kinda disagree with a few parts of it. Reduce pen in T49 is... weird to say th...

2,000 dpm... 2200 with gun rammer, it struggles for me even when flanking, the RNG is abysmal as if it hates that tech tree

Chinese meds I believe have better rng and dpm than it

Tier VI beats the living hell out of it

T49 just needs AP to negate spaced armor, kind of sucks when a sliver of spaced armor absorbs the whole shell, 140mm is before calibrated, think of it as a faster smasher

HE needs to be cheaper on it at least

after 5.5 noobs flooded higher tiers withoutba sweat

quasi axle
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the whole point of giving it heat is to make it unable to pen spaced armor pretty sure

distant river
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"I shot spaced armour once change the whole tank because of that"
"I want to be able to spam HESH cheaply"
"I can't play the tvp because other tanks get better rng" (lol)
"I want to sealclub, and I also want to pretend there were never people rushing up the tiers"

sharp saddle
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Bringing back all the derps is pointless.
All they did was keep people in low tiers spamming the derps, and driving away new players who were being abused by them

mental pasture
# teal crystal 2,000 dpm... 2200 with gun rammer, it struggles for me even when flanking, the R...

I struggle a lot in T49 too (I do better in pre nerf T28 than T49), but I wouldn't ask for a buff

Yes, I know Annihilator beats tier 6 as like a LĂśwe would do so.

I know it sucks but... you can... idk, stand still for a bit and wait until the aim circle go lower in order to aim?

I've seen many complains about 5.5, 'now noobs don't know the high tier playstyle', 'it killed the variety', 'it made tier 2 and 3 an unbalanced mess', there's even my own complain 'The """""removal""""" of Sherman Jumbo, T150, Churchill GC and KV-13 was unnecessary'
But noobs flooding high tiers because there's no low tier derps?

leaden flare
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The only point I agree on 5.5 is it killed the variety that's it

sudden path
hearty steeple
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Being one shot 5 minutes into the game isn't going to help retain new players. When you start facing these big derps, you are already a few hours into the game. More invested and less likely to just drop out of frustration

mental pasture
candid steeple
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Well maybe they don't want to reintroduce derp guns into lower tiers but one thing sure is clear. From tier I-IV all tanks are trash and boring to play with zero diversity. Also with removal of gold ammo from tier I all bullet based tanks are complete garbage that pen less then bounce. Hetzer loosing it's derp gun completely killed the tank. T82 once a fun tank now complete garbage. A-20 with a good autoloading gun removed and now trash. All autoloading guns from collectable tanks nerfed to the ground to the point of being unusable. 5.5 is without a doubt one of the worst patches that WG has ever done. Reverting it to what it used to be is way but way way better then go one line chose nothing and do as we say. Tbh it's better to have seal clubbers then complete trash of tech tree early tiers. Also I am not a seal clubber. One more thing is that I had I think 2-3 tier I tanks because I liked how they looked but 5.5 update WG just removed them from my garage like it was nothing even though I had them. There is not a singe thing that I like about 5.5. They just made the game be dumber with everything be same in low tiers.

All tiers should feel like they are fun to play. I don't see logic in WG making it boring for everyone who have higher tiers. You used to be able to go in bottom tier and still have fun but killing the joy really was a stupid decision by WG. Yeah maybe Hetzer hit people hard but they will learn earlier to respect gun calibers and damage that they do so later when they reach higher tiers it's not out of nowhere that something hard hit them and much later do they figure out that there are different guns in this game. Most people in tier V and VI are completely clueless since they never saw bigger caliber guns before or got no idea how to respect damage since from tier I-IV everything hit them the same. Game is poisoned with bad players from tier I-VI. 5.5 is terrible patch.

mental pasture
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"Well maybe they don't want to reintroduce derp guns into lower tiers but one thing sure is clear. From tier I-IV all tanks are trash and boring to play with zero diversity." Ok, you're not supposed to learn a lot from them anyways.

"Also with removal of gold ammo from tier I all bullet based tanks are complete garbage that pen less then bounce" Ok, you're not supposed to be playing more than 5 battles in tier 1

"Hetzer loosing it's derp gun completely killed the tank" it stills the best TD in tier 4

"5.5 is without a doubt one of the worst patches that WG has ever done." if you're a seal clubber, then yes.

"Tbh it's better to have seal clubbers then complete trash of tech tree early tiers" Well, the low tiers aren't the conception of trash

quasi axle
sudden granite
mental pasture
# sudden granite 5.5 was bad because it made grinds easier. A hell of a lot easier, new players g...

It takes less than 100 battles to reach tier 5, less than 250 battles to reach tier 6 and less than 1000 battles to reach tier 7. It may have a difference of the number of battles, but no newbie learns in less than 2.000 battles. 100 more or 100 less battles don't make a difference in practice

Long grind =/= good method to teach

@winged barn Well, wanting or not, there needs to be a grind and tier 1-5. It doesn't necessarily means that this grind need to be long.

"Premium time used to actually be rare, now its given out like candy

Boosters... so many boosters...

Its significantly more that just 100 matches when both boosters and premium time are taken into account" Make a reroll accout and check how many premium account, premiums and boosters you get

paper ferry
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if they really want the 140 to have a shit turret and a good hull, at least buff the ufp by 10 to 20mm to make it a little bit more reliable and just give it the t62a pen just to make it less troll against some of the heavies

and the rest is fine

winged barn
sudden granite
distant river
mental pasture
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@sudden granite, 100 battles don't make a big difference at all. You can make a grind very looooong in a game, but players won't suddenly become super unicums even after 2 weeks.

@candid steepleYou're not satisfied with the actual low tiers? ok then, wait a bit, I'll review every tech tree tier 1-5

@leaden flare If you spend money then yes, otherwise it's impossible.

leaden flare
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You need around 250 to 400 games to get your first t10 as a reroll depending on if you start during a event and get urself a prem tank to farm even more Credits

candid steeple
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When I started the game and that was 6+ years ago never did I care about seal clubbers tho I gotta say that making all tiers from I-V to have 100% crew was a good choice by WG. Sadly that's the only good thing about patch 5.5. That pretty much solved the problem of crew disparity in low tiers. Also you can call everyone as seal clubber if they are playing tier I-V. I got a friend who just started the blitz and he hit Tiger II in 7 days. And quess what happened while he was playing tier VII and VIII. He was complaining of how VK and Tiger I did less damage then some other tanks. Ne was clueless of difference in play styles. You get a person to play a tier VIII in less then 7 days and you see this is good thing? He had no clue of different play styles. Leaving same damage tiers and entering tier V and above and then getting slapped by higher alphas sure is pleasant surprise to a clueless player. Patch 5.5 is terrible in all senses expect 100% crew on unlocking. I played a bit low tiers with him and instantly got seal clubber title on Blitz stars. Bruh.

mental pasture
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Russian: the tier 2-4 lights are pretty consistent in therms of speed and the BT family does still pretty good (fast paced gun with VERY good penetration, DPM and precision). A-20 Is fast and quite solid, looks more like a medium, the gun isn't that bad tho (fun fact, A-20 big gun used to have an OP HE pen because of a bug). SU-85B simply have the best gun of tier 4, noting else is necessary. The tier 5 are basically 3; T-34 (which was always an under average tank in blitz), KV-1 (used to be OP, but got nerfed and now... it's complicated) and SU-85 (a Obj. 704, but in tier 5)

American: Pretty much the standard low tier experience, unnarmored, agile and pew pew gun. They aren't bad, but it's not the funniest experience, but tier 5 is actually very good tho. Sherman (best medium in the whole tier 5), T1 Heavy (OP super heavy) and Wolverine (Like sherman, but your gun is slightly better and your turret is slower)

Germans: The Panzer 2 does still a funny tank, you may argue "but that gun no is useless!!!1!!111!" but 48mm of pen is workable, not the worst thing in earth. The tier 2 is kinda lacking tbh. Panzer 3 is the true concept of a medium tank but in tier 3, may be the best tier 3 tech tree even in pre 5.5. Hetzer is the best TD, it have a real good gun, armor and agility, meanwhile Panzer 4 D is a true glass cannon. The tier 5 are rather simple: Stug 3 G is the best tech tree TD, Panzer 4 G is pretty decent and Leopard is.. complicated.

Wait a bit, i'll describe other nations in other comment

T32 isn't exactly a frontline vehicle, but just to ask, how many battles he has? @neon hearth

neon hearth
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I have a really good friend who just started playing and I had to explain to him that why camping with the TD's in a T32 was a bad idea and that he was supposed to be front line lmao. @mental pasture I was wrong, It was the T34 he just bought it. Never the less, he was a big noob with like 50 battles

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I'm in a clan and we try to do tournaments. I never considered myself a good player until I saw them. No one knew how to play their tanks, we've got jacksons front line and getting shredded, no one side scraped they just POKED OUT SIDEWAYS ON TOP OF THE HILL IN A TIGER II!!!! AND GOT 2,000 hp taken away in a second by literately everyone. They are nice guys but they suck.

Honestly, I just want a decent, active clan who is a 50%. And maybe do some tournaments (this slowmode is annoying)
Still they should put the tanks back in ngl they were cool
Also, I want the 183 but i don't want to grind the line. I feel like it would be worse then the T110E3 line lmao

mental pasture
mental pasture
# mental pasture Russian: the tier 2-4 lights are pretty consistent in therms of speed and the BT...

As I would continue.
British, Japanese and Pan european nation had much underpowered and average vehicles with a few exceptions like Matilda, Alecto, Ke-ni and... no tier 1-5 in pan european line is minimally interesting. Unfortunately we've lost Sherman V which was actually a nice example of glass cannon.

Chinese: Errrm... It's complicated.

And at last but not least, France: tier 1-3 were always kinda boring, unless the pre 5.5 R35. The tier 4 was (and still) special, Char B1 before recent armor nerf was pog and I'm the only SAu 40 fan. The tier 5 got even better, BDR is OP and Elc Bis is the funniest tier 5 tech tree. None exactly cares about S35 CA.

unique scaffold
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@young granite read the pinned messages. This channel isn’t about matchmaking

leaden flare
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for all the people crying about 5.5 ive met one of the reasons why that update was good and needed

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safe rapids
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I’m just gonna say deep guns as tier 4 and 5 can fit now, because 410 HE alpha cannot one shot even tier 3 tanks, it can only so tier 3 TDS or maybe a stock M8A1

candid steeple
# leaden flare for all the people crying about 5.5 ive met one of the reasons why that update w...

I still don't care about that. Lower tiers after patch 5.5 are terrible and teach new players nothing. Update is more harmful for the game then positive to entire community. All tiers should be enjoyable to play and not just high tiers because newbies complain for their lack of skill. Solution is not to make everything boring to make less people play low tiers. So many good tanks have been lost because of update 5.5. Too many tanks. Most got overnerfed for no reason but because they are collectable WG doesn't care and they will keep them useless.

Don't worry when they reach tier V they will just drive in front of KV-2 and then complain of KV-2 being broken for oneshoting them. Or get their hp destroyed by SU-100Y.

unique scaffold
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Getting one shot by a dude with 15 thousand battles in tier 3 is not fun for new players.

mental pasture
sharp saddle
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What is the benefit of adding the derp guns? It will just encourage players to sit down in the low tiers and spam it. Wargaming wants you to go up the tiers, not lurk around constantly in the lower tiers

drowsy plaza
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The side note to the effect of new player MM is players aren’t learning anything. So they get to 8-10 they get smashed and can’t understand why they did more damage in tier 5-7 than they do now in X…

gleaming apexBOT
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dynoSuccess SPUTNIK345#0145 has been warned.

whole nebula
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Make tier 1-4 tournaments lol, I’m not even sure how players start the game as the tier 1 mm is non existent, I’d play low tournaments because I can’t remember what driving things like the leichtraktor (rip) used to be like.

leaden flare
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Making a event where old T1s are playable doesnt sound bad to me but wont be that much of a long term fun

nimble zodiac
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I'd spend legit money to get MS-1 back :p

mental pasture
nimble zodiac
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1707 >:(

nimble zodiac
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D1: The definition of "I sacrificed everything for gun depression"

Anyways can we at least have triple digits engine power? xD

Not to mention FT AC with 45 engine power, worst in the game I believe

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nimble zodiac
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I mean, even the FT itself has 100 engine power, can FT AC, branded off of FT, have that too? 😂

candid steeple
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2700 WN8 on AMX 50 100 rank 148 but 49% wr xD
This tank sure is hard to carry with. You can't be pike nose to lead the team. Or I just suck but 2500 damage lose constantly duh.

AMX could get a small buff to it's aiming time.

quasi axle
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damage farming =/= playing to win

leaden flare
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Didn't ask

weary bobcat
winged barn
twin egret
unique scaffold
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Hmm

uneven narwhal
# leaden flare for all the people crying about 5.5 ive met one of the reasons why that update w...

Pre-5,5 tanks are nothing but nostalgic
I agree, I miss them too, it was fun to play with them, but the update was for the best to help retain new players and prevent seal-clubbers like this to play low tiers more than high
Even if 5,5 tanks were brought back, everyone would play them for a week or so and then they hype would die out (except for seal-clubbers ofc)
The update was for the better

mental pasture
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^

drowsy plaza
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MS-1 OP.

nimble zodiac
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Aw c’mon I just want my FT AC to waddle better :(

last shadow
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T82 anyone?

candid steeple
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T82 at the moment does half of it's original damage plus it can pen nothing with HE and you have to spam gold in order to pen people but gold only does damage of Hetzer or lower while having a lot longer reload and having nothing that you could think of as the accuracy. T82 suffered the most after 5.5 and WG will probably never buff the tank to be even playable.

Tank was mental for oneshoting people before and it was fun to occasionally drive it. Because of it used to have terrible shell velocity you could do silly shots over the ridge and shoot people behind it but not anymore. Tank is pretty much rip right now.

acoustic kernel
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I miss the original tanks that they took out

tepid fog
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I miss VK30 and D.W

mild brook
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the chats just proofs that the centurion mk1 and the sta1 sucks sooo bad and is soo underpowerd that even really good players cant work them that well

little sundial
vital basalt
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I wonder where is AX on charts,oh wait then we would see the huge difference between it and normal Caernarvon

tepid fog
scarlet fjord
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WG dont be fooled by where the E5 is situated in the charts still nerf that thing
and nerf IS-4 for the love of god

little sundial
dawn karma
sly sigil
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K,yknow what im as E100 player did not accept kranvagn bellow us they deserve more winrate than us they are the true team supporter while us are only help them

deep nebula
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please write down the tanks in english, not russian

sharp saddle
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It’s not hard to understand which tanks it’s insinuating

bitter fjord
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#bufftds

sand delta
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@lusty silo 1)183 hammer man' damage is the lowest👀 ... accuracy,camo rating and dispersion can be balanced
2)Release the new Armata tank too😉

lusty silo
sand delta
# lusty silo sorry mate, i can't take such messages serious

Nah just for fun....ignore point number 2...but i have played 183 over 200 times this 2 month most of the time its 900 damage or Zero its true most of the time it misses shots and once we get spotted we cant move or turn immediately ...and sorry for tagging u.. is there a common tag for all devs

sharp saddle
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183 is perfectly fine being at the bottom of tier ten. I’d rather not have it buffed and have more deathstar spam. Even now it is still a highly played vehicle, people play it for the fun factor of the alpha, not because it’s actually good

indigo knot
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@lusty silo thanks for including prems at tier 8 in charts....
Tho what about collectors at tier 10....can you include them too in future

supple barn
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where are the charts

sharp saddle
scarlet fjord
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honestly Kranvagn IS-4 E5 and to an extent even maus when you platoon double maus its too influential to the game WG can you nerf these heavies
at least fix the insane 374 HEAT spam and nerf something else on them as well its different for every tank but u can nerf IS-4 mobility or nerf hp's remove op speed boost from E5 and make its lower plate slightly weaker the upper half of it i mean etc

dawn karma
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Plz dont @ devs/employees if all you're saying is buff your favorite tank and nerf the tank you hate/ tank you cant get. Its just pure cringe bro!

candid steeple
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E5 is nto broken. IS-4 hull gets destroyed by gold. Kranvagen is not broken and has serious issues with terrible low dpm and mobility that can only be regarded good when you use that busted booster so you can at least treverse the Kran.

Also if heavies are getting armor nerf I would also like for meds with broken turrets to be nerfed. Meds shouldn't be able to just look at you while you can't pen them or need extreme amount of rng luck to hit the spots while they can gold spam you with ease. VK 72 is demolished by medium spam into the turret. They got accuracy and 160mm of armor wont do a thing against gold spam. If heavy armor is getting nerfed then mediums should get some penalty too.

Only tank that I think that is due for a nerf is Maus. That tank is idiot proof after hp buff and buff to it's front hull corners buff. When you see double Maus toon no one in opposite team is happy to see that.

Also for IS-4. I only regard that tank as troublesome when it's hull down but at that times I just ignore the tank and look somewhere else. IS-4 hull is overrated and mostly by med players since they think that just looking at exposed hull should be an easy pen even though lower plate exposed is always a guaranteed pen and mediums don't lack in accuracy department.

Also almost all heavies got 370mm of heat pen and mediums should not expect that they can just look at heavy and not get punished for that. We won't mention that meds still can pen other meds with gold in most turrets so why cry about more pen when heavies need more pen to fight against other heavies.

scarlet fjord
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its literally heavy meta why do u think we should nerf meds after nerfing heavies the literal problem is heavies are over influencing and i never said they were broken there isnt a tier 10 tank that is broken not even T22 is broken its armor is op but the heavies i mentioned i stated they were "too influential" kranvagn uses the op speed boost and gets to its spot and can basically shoot and not get penned unless HE spam or HO-RI would be running calibrated shells for some reason
IS-4 is problematic in every situation because of its amazing armor suited for every situation and 2800 hp's meds struggle dealing with it Maus is the least problematic for me personally even though its 3k HP's its just a moron proof tank u can deal with it its slow i can flank it even with heavies like IS-7's
E5 has (MEDIUM TANK) level power to weight ratio and top speed with op speed boost on and has 2800 DPM with 340 HEAT that can butter through every med turret no need to pray to RNG specially if he's the type to run CS @candid steeple

quasi axle
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the t22 is the only med in the game with "broken" turret armor

unique scaffold
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why are the guns 05 and 183 different? the 05 should have the same gun as the 183 because they have the same gun in actuality

the 05 is designed to be the most powerful tank in ww2 so the 05 should have a 183

if the 05 had a 183, same statistics of shells as the 183 then the 05 can have better gun handling than the 183 because the 05 is more agile than the 183

it would be same gun, different playstyle

the 05 has 3 460 alpha shots from a 123 gun which i feel like the damage of the 05 falls behind the 183 on average which is disappointing to me because i like the 05 more than i like the 183 as the 05 is more agile, has better gun handling and they both have the same gun a 183 with the same statistics of shell on wotc and wot pc and the 05 is different in wotb

the mobility of the 05 is good and useful but the 05 is a tall tank and it has the reputation of being dangerous and deadly and even more deadly and dangerous than the 183 sometimes because the 05 has better gun handling, can rotate turret fully (05 stage 2) and is more agile than the 183 means that people target the 05 more but with 3 460 alpha shots and 3s intra clip reload may make it difficult to deal the large amount of damage that people think of when they think of the 05 and 183 and being a tall tank means you can take more damage while you dish out the shells because its an autoloader with w 3s reload

you guys are fine with the 05 at its state currently or what?

or maybe you guys wanted to make the 183 most deadly and dangerous tank in the game

distant river
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"Hands up if you are fine with the 4005 in its current state"

Everyone apart from 183 spammers raises their hands

It's fine leave it alone

outer silo
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IS-4 is an annoying tank to push in meds, especially in these that are lower to the ground, like the russian and chinese meds. If the IS-4 is skilled enough to angle properly and they've hidden their small lower plate and you're not using cali, you're somewhat doomed unless it doesn't have support and you can push it without getting deleted. I don't think it's overpowered, it does have pretty bad traverse but it's still a very solid tank overall, which is clearly shown through the charts.

I would argue IS-4 going where meds usually go in any map is just a pain to deal with, it's not impossible but it feels a little too easy for the IS-4 driver.

Counless rng bounces on the rear too but that's just my curse.

sleek plinth
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T29 needs a hull armor nerf. It literally has better frontal armor than it's tier 8 and 9 counterparts, the T34 and the T30. It doesn't deserve to have such good frontal armor especially when the turret armor is so good....

quasi axle
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true

paper spear
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In both blitz and world of tanks wouldn't any tank on the BT chassis be able to drive without it's tracks if both get broken?

nocturne mauve
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Lorraine is quite bad tbh

iron lynx
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Hmm seems like the Yohs' performance are pretty balanced according to the charts in #devs-answers. Pretty unusual for a brand new line imo

thick rover
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Why did E5 drop in rank

quasi axle
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lorraine good

dull valley
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Hi

nocturne mauve
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Lorraine is very situational and hard to play