tank-balance-discussion

[nimble zodiac]

Me, expressing love for tanks that the majority opinion considered it trash/useless

Nah I'm a pre-buff T-2020 typea guy

[willow hawk]

Cough cough, Toaster

[delicate moth]

IS-8

[winged barn]

Is8 is solid

[versed tide]

is8 is a t9 260 @nimble zodiac its a dark skill

[nimble zodiac]

How have I failed to realize this

[prisma jetty]

Hehehe me and my STA-1

[hollow ore]

Emil 1 should have that upper plate nerfed, Atleast enough that most heavies can pen it with standard

[quasi axle]

but why if the emil you're shooting is dumb enough to show the hull just aim at the lower plate

[minor minnow]

😳😳😳😳😳

[unique scaffold]

KpfPz70 needs buff

[fierce crag]

I think WG should buff it and throw it to tier 10,this will make this tank not a trash

[twin egret]

reasonable, how about giving it the 120mm it also had as a choice for a gun? I might be mistaking that feature for the MBT-70, nonetheless they're both nearly the same tank despite a minor difference in engine type I believe

[versed tide]

what about giving it good standard pen

[unique scaffold]

KpfPz 70 in real life was way faster and his rotation also was faster, i agree with thinking it needs a buff, also 14 seconds in tier 9 is kinda bruh

[bronze osprey]

neither the mbt-70 nor the kpfz even had the choice or idea of having a 120mm, because they just simply didn't need a 120mm, the only reason why they both had the 155, was because it was planned to have able to use atgm's.

[willow hawk]

Hmmm, how about WG find this as an opportunity to introduce the American MBT-70 at tier 10 as a premium tank? A 120mm main gun, and the ability to use ATGMs (restricted to special game modes). Would be nice.

[drowsy plaza]

@bronze osprey it’s actually a 152mm. It’s a higher velocity version of the Gun/Missile System on the Sheridan

[bronze osprey]

i am just use to U.s tanks having 155's

[drowsy plaza]

The US version was never planned for the 120mm, the German version had planned an auto loading 120mm

Tank died - the US went to rework it into the XM-1 Abrams, and M1, M1A1, and M1A2 etc and the Germans the Leo2 family.

Now it would be nice to have the choice of guns 120 or 152mm - like the IS-6 and KV-5 have gun choices.

[twin egret]

how would you balance the autoloading 120mm? as well as making it unique and different than the AMX 50 120's gun. The AMX 50 120 is the only tier 9 with a 120mm autoloader I believe, and giving the kpfpz the 120mm autoloader would be really interesting to see. If the kpfpz got the gun it would just be amazing since it'll be the only german tank with a proper autoloader(ignoring the pew pew machine guns & SP I C(reason why is SP I C has doo doo autoloader gun now))

[rustic hemlock]

T32 needs pen buff. I think 220 pen should be ok

[versed tide]

Well Emil 2 has a clip

[autumn zodiac]

It doesn't

[scarlet fjord]

what? IS-8 is love its amazing ok buddy?

[bronze osprey]

you are a man of culture xd

[versed tide]

The t32 gets amazing armor and super consumables and sacrifices a bit on the gun for it

[winged barn]

You know what the maus needs? Super consumables and sandbags.

[twin egret]

oh right I forgot lol

@winged barn Maus with sandbag armour? Hmm, that sounds like PC levels of HP on a Maus

[versed tide]

Reactive and sandbags in maus when also throw in reticle calibration for no reason cus why not seems to be a trend on German tanks

[hearty steeple]

Our maus already has same amount of hitpoints, 3000. I would mention equipment would make it more, but pc also has one equipment that increases Hitpoints iirc (don't remember by how much)

[unique scaffold]

One works as alpha the other dpm because not all autoloaders automatically translate to magazine loaders...

[delicate moth]

Yes, it is amazing.

[scarlet fjord]

if i see WG nerf E5 or IS-4 i will donate to charity lol

[queen elbow]

First mistake new players make is to press the battle button

[twin egret]

Everyone's mistake

[fierce crag]

No need,Actually,the main weakness of Maus is hull armor is too weak,Maus can penetrate each other not by pen turret,By the way,my maus is 70wr with 2.9k dmg per battle,i don't think it needs extra buffs

[full token]

Hull armor isnt weak...

[uneven narwhal]

Hull armor is not weak
You can say it's not the best, but it's certainly not weak

[fierce crag]

Maus can pen each other here easily,it's weak for high Tanks,and you know,ho-ri sees Maus ALL WHITE,and in tournament,i was once get penetrated here by enemy in a row with premium shells from upper places

[pseudo hedge]

yea u can pen him because your standing on a hill firing down. try it again at a front angle.

[fierce crag]

I'm already talking about flat ground,Maus itself can penetrate it without much difficulties,Not to mention powerful Ho-ri

[scarlet fjord]

maybe fight tanks that arent on a frickin mountain and angle ur hull xd

[uneven narwhal]

I mean....you are shooting down on the upper plate
OFC it's gonna pen

[errant kiln]

At this angle no armor is good. That's an absurd angle you don't often get in any tank, let alone Maus v Maus

[pseudo hedge]

your shooting from above making the angle of the armour smaller and therefor reducing the efficiency of the armour dramatically. You should look at the arnour from this angle.

[vital basalt]

Yes against HEAT its 320mm but you forgot that AP and APCR has normalization so against AP,it has 285mm effective armor and against APCR it has 300mm effective armor

[full token]

Thats also without any angling of the hull

[scarlet fjord]

if u angle it its 350+ and if its a face hug u dont have to worry about track wheels so u can over angle making it almost 400

[winged barn]

Maus hull so bad, needs buff

[remote oriole]

Your angling is poor

[minor minnow]

• that’s an IS-8 with HEAT and Cali

[jagged crescent]

374 heat op!

[fading robin]

Yô

[quasi axle]

No 😂

[gleaming apex]

ORK_120#0491 was banned

[drowsy plaza]

Follow the channel rules or...

[versed tide]

Ummm why didn’t mods just use ?purge smh

[violet seal]

The Tiger II is too OP armor wise, most tier 7s can't even pen even with premium

[nimble zodiac]

That's debatable

[winged barn]

It needs a stronger upper plate and a weaker lower plate

[turbid smelt]

nah reverse is funny

[versed tide]

Ikr

[jagged crescent]

Nah that’s cringe

[unique scaffold]

Pls give isu-152 better speed.i played the t28 and it is like the t28 is faster.

[winged barn]

._. I think you need to reassess what you just said

[autumn zodiac]

ISU-152 is perfectly balanced

Has hardly ever been touched and still does fine but not too good

[unique scaffold]

Then i gonna start to camp on the red line and shoot from there, caus i only have the stock 152 mm gun .__.

[glossy phoenix]

maybe playing it stock is part of the issue

[nimble zodiac]

Never judge a tank's balance without the top/most effective modules, unless a new tank that comes out stock is literally impossible to play

[winged barn]

Centurion(s) go brrrrr

[twin egret]

Conway go Brrrrrr

[rustic hemlock]

Sounds like skill issue. There is a cupola

[nimble zodiac]

A small cupola that many tier 8 heavy guns can't reliably hit

[unique scaffold]

Most tier 8 guns can’t even hit reasonably*

[turbid smelt]

you don't need to hit it
just aim for cheeks

[winged barn]

That works for [most] tier 8s, but tier 7? Lol

[turbid smelt]

they go die

[jagged crescent]

Most tier 8 meds go die

[unique scaffold]

Tiger 2 is better than the action x

[fervent jay]

debatable...

[jagged crescent]

Definitely not

[rustic hemlock]

Just let the circle shrink completely to hit the cupola on tiger 2. Or if you want better chances in a tier 7 load prammo and aim for the cupola. Also you can easily out maneuver it

[balmy cypress]

Is there any tank in tier 10 that anyone thinks should be rebalanced? To me tier 10 seems mostly pretty good at the moment

[uneven narwhal]

I believe it is pretty balanced as of now but I would personally like a smol buff to the T57
Hopefully to the reverse speed or a tiny bit more overall speed

[cyan harness]

anyone know why we havent gotten the new devs answers questions? i get it takes a while but this seems a little too long

[thick rover]

Buff 5A uwu @balmy cypress

[fierce forge]

Maybe the Ho-ri. That things pen is crazy, maybe make the premium shells are little to strong in my opinion.

[nimble zodiac]

That’s like the only real speciality to the Ho-Ri though

[river valley]

Wg nerf T110E5, E 100 and IS-4 they are too powerful

[dark glen]

A better thing would be an HP rework and the removal of the OP consumables

[tidal rose]

lol E-100 too OP. the first time i heard anyone said that

[unique scaffold]

If it's driven by a good player then it honestly is OP.

[scarlet fjord]

why E100 its not op lol its average
but pls do nerf E5 and IS-4 already
while ur at it nerf all 340/334 HEAT pen too much pen with cali spam its dumb even with rammer its too much pen WG pls nerf except for tanks like 57 and 50B

[fierce forge]

Honestly I feel the IS4 could do with a depression nerf. Like what is it now 6 degrees? Make it 5. It is minimal but would kinda deny players the ability to work ridge lines. Maybe make the gun a little less accurate. Maybe give the IS7 some love by giving 6 degrees.

This is just my idea of what could be done since the IS7 line is quite pance I feel it could do with small armour buffs. This is just my opinion, don't target me lol.

[full token]

is7 already has 6

[fierce forge]

Hmm. Well I guess I was wrong. Thx for correcting me. I still fell the IS7 lacks a little. Maybe it's because the IS4 is a bit op.

[sharp saddle]

IS-7 is for the most part fine, it’s just that the IS-4 exists

[uneven narwhal]

^^^

[unique scaffold]

Dont buy IS-7

[uneven narwhal]

Unless you are joking, the "Don't buy IS-7" is a meme
The tank is not to be judged on it

[fierce forge]

Agreed. Once you get 85 plus crew trained the tank is good. The ammo rack is weak, but it rarely happens. I just forgot the characteristics bcs I have been playing the pantera and E75.

[minor minnow]

Imho the IS-7 is a good tank, it’s only been memed my Angaael for so long people have this mindset that the tank is a bomb on tracks

I honestly only remember getting ammoracked once and that was in a training room (it was a deserved ammorack, I penned my friends 183 with AP)

[topaz geyser]

+1

[uneven narwhal]

IS-7 goes at 50kmph while carrying a 130mm 460 alpha gun
All this while having frontal armor
It is practically a oversized medium

Ammoracks are overstated and it is a thing just because anggael memed it
And now people have taken it seriously
I have 300+ matches in it and now that I look back on it I have been ammoracked twice in it

⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️

[scarlet fjord]

gonna be brutally honest
i feel like kicking someone in the stomach every time i see "Don't buy IS-7"

[minor minnow]

Ikr, they meme the tank to hell and back but every competent player will tell you the opposite. It’s a good tank, it’s not an IS-4 but it works just as well, and it’s more fun

[uneven narwhal]

IS-4 is the tank you turn to if you wanna go full tryhard mode
IS-7 is the tank where you have fun in chasing mediums down in a heavy 🤣
The people that curse the IS-7 either are salty because they got ammoracked in it or have no experience in the IS-7 and just wanna meme

[leaden flare]

why get is7 if is4 is straigt up better

[full token]

Playing strong tanks gets boring. Playing a tank with a little bit of a struggle has some fun to it

[radiant loom]

is7 is as good as is4. Only other playstyle. Is7 got more speed. And more alpha. And you can hide the ammo. But most people just wigle so much that the upperplates are pennable.

[minor minnow]

It’s the simple fact that the IS-4 is essentially Idiotproof while the IS-7 requires some form of a braincell to perform well. Not to mention 460 alpha on a heavy with armor AND mobility is impossible not to be fun to play

[uneven narwhal]

IS-7 is the more fun alternative of the two
Having the speed of a medium while having excellent armor for a medium carrying a 460 alpha gun
How can you not have fun with it

[unique scaffold]

Is7 and Vk are the worst tech tree heavies, nice opinions guys

[distant river]

IS7 is actually so much fun to play for me and it's pretty nicely balanced rn if heavies ever go put of meta it'll still be strong

It's one of the worst heavies but it's still an average to above average tank

[minor minnow]

Just because a tank isn’t meta doesn’t mean it’s terrible. I have a friend who adores his VK so they’re doing something right.

[full token]

Doesn’t mean they’re the worst tier 10s

[topaz geyser]

Are u kidding?

[unique scaffold]

dO't BoY aYeS-sVn

[scarlet fjord]

if u think IS-7 is crap you either literally cant play it to save ur life or just have something against that tank for some reason IS-7 is not better than IS-4 but (IN PUBS) its pretty close hell i even saw a RA1D member spam his IS-7 and he did well in tourneys i think its a solid tank ppl just cry cuz they cant compensate for not having 374 HEAT
it exchanges its pen and accuracy for alpha and mobility while still having great armor profile its literally my fav tank in the game way more fun than an IS-4

[unique scaffold]

Is-7 broken

[uneven narwhal]

It is no way broken lmao

[leaden flare]

Yeah it's so fun getting slapped around by straight up better tanks

[frail silo]

If you need to play an OP tank to avoid that then i think you should consider reevaluating your reasons

[versed tide]

Is7 isn’t a meta tank yes it’s worse than is4 but it’s fun I don’t care about is4 bs it’s fun that’s all I need to play a tank is it to be fun as this is a game and I want to have fun, it has fun characteristics if your reason if it not having fun is that it gets bullied by other heavies then maybe you need to learn how to play non meta tanks it doesn’t mean it’s bad

[full token]

Slapping enemies with OP tanks all the time gets boring too

[scarlet fjord]

not better

[leaden flare]

idk where youve read that i need a OP tank but yeah i guess ill leave you with your illusions IS-7 is one of the worst T10 heavys so pretty much every heavy is better then it

[winged barn]

That's fine, because heavies are better than literally everything else, putting the is7 somewhere in the middle of tier 10.

[frail silo]

Yeah but we are not saying otherwise, we are saying it is fun to play.
Because it gives you the challenge of bettering yourself in order to not get slapped around.

[uneven narwhal]

IS-7 is basically a medium in disguise
Play it as a medium tank and watch the enemy meds straight up back off

[violet seal]

it's so small anyways and it's very hard to hit

[lean gate]

I'm a big fan of 50B When looking at the new line and before it the Kranvagen..
The French heavy became less bright I hope WG given some love because it is one of the most beautiful lines in the game
Edit: if you play 1vs1 nah its not

[unique scaffold]

50B is better than kran

[versed tide]

Eh

[queen elbow]

Idk about that chief, kran is still goated

[autumn zodiac]

Depends on the situation

50 B is better as an offensive tank Kran is better as a defensive tank

[tepid latch]

Is7 takes skill to play nice joke guys, it’s easier to play than a is4 💀

[uneven narwhal]

X to doubt

[queen elbow]

Point hull forward and get ammoracked, that’s how u play is7.

[versed tide]

Is7 doesn’t get ammoracked that often another has fallen

[rare sleet]

is7 is not a competitive t10 its more like if you wanna have fun bullying mediums tier 10

[uneven narwhal]

My 2 ammoracks in 300+ battles would tend to disagree

[leaden flare]

You can actually pretty easily aim for the ammo so it's a fairly save ammo dmg if you know how

[full token]

Still won’t cause ammoracks often enough to call it any weakness

[remote oriole]

“fairly save ammo dmg”
Yes, I for one consider 27% as “fairly save” too (and that is pretending they don’t use the Defense System equipment which decreases the chance to 20%)

[winged barn]

What? Easier than press 2 lolpen?

[scarlet fjord]

ah yes IS-4 with 374 HEAT and just turn left or right and u have armor plus ur fast with similar hit points to an E100 is harder to play than IS-7 which has mobility as its strong point
and yes u get ammo racked once every 500 games in IS-7 and now its bad cuz of that
plus "IS-7 is one of the worst heavies out there" this one takes the cake for me :D

[minor minnow]

Not exactly

[leaden flare]

Yeah it's a commonly know spot and it's in the front
If I compare it to other heavy tanks it's quite often just as E5 which gets even more ammo dmg but imo explodes less often

[remote oriole]

That’s not due to ammorack damage but due to module hp. The chance to damage any ammorack is either 27% or 20% regardless of the tank, given that your shell or a fragment of your HE shell hits the ammo storage module

[scarlet fjord]

i swear people that cry that IS-7 is bad cuz of the ammo literally cant play IS-7 i literally dont run protective kit on that tank and havent been ammo racked for maybe half a year if u cant handle it then run with the kit idk what u do to your IS-7
do you like yolo at 183's and then angle ur pike nose? lol even then i dont think u will get ammo racked
angeal made a meme and ppl just went in this mindset that that tank is practically not playable anymore cuz ur ammo rack blows up every game 🤦

[winged barn]

Ammo rack detonating is one of the things that makes you instantly rage quit. The is7 has the weakest rack on a heavy.

Result: I have insane salt towards my is7

[leaden flare]

I mean it's not good regardless of the ammo
Low prammo and for me the traverse sucks too much

[jagged crescent]

It got dat 113 traverse

[dark glen]

Been ammoracked far more in E5 than in is7 so 🤷‍♂️

[unique scaffold]

Stop having bias towards garbage tanks and go play the broken ones if u wanna win

[river valley]

Hmm. Kran shines at solo/duo holding a position, where 50B would be useless, and in offense, Kran is useless but 50B is excellent.

[distant river]

U nab camp at spawn then you don't get shot then you can't be ammoracked ;)

[tepid latch]

u dont even need to angle your is7, just wiggle and thats how u bounce

[minor minnow]

I play my IS-7 and I still win. I don’t need broken tanks, unlike some people apparently

[fierce forge]

Holy Mother of God. I just said the IS7 could do with some love. I did not intend for a full fledge war for which Soviet heavy is better.

[scarlet fjord]

eeh WG need to nerf heavy class in general specially E5 and IS-4 right now

[winged barn]

Woah, real pro advice here, everyone take notes

[unique scaffold]

I remember 1 guy who kept saying is7 is good on RGN server and... he got banned. Ur comments make people think they need is7 when in fact it’s a useless tank

[full token]

You make it sound like it’s the worst tier 10 when it’s just a bad heavy. I don’t see anyone saying it’s the best tank either, just people saying it can be enjoyable

[fierce forge]

Ok, first of it isn't. I am an average player and I prefer my IS7 over my other tier 10 tanks and it is not useless. It is like you have a vendetta against people who like the IS7.

Like TacNayn said, it is not good as a heavy and performs the role of a medium some what mediocre. But it doesn't take from the fact that it is a fun tanktank for some people.

[winged barn]

The is7 is a brutal anti medium tank. The only problem is it is currently in a heavy meta, and true heavies directly counter the is7

[unique scaffold]

You know what’s fun, reading the comments of average players of this game

[remote oriole]

What are you even trying to say?
There are a few ways I can interpret the first sentence:
-RGN can’t take someone saying something against the mainstream opinion
-RGN bans people for having opinions on in-game tanks
-People who say the IS-7 is good get banned (on the RGN server)
-People who say that the IS-7 is good are doing banworthy things
-There is apparently a causation between saying the IS-7 is good and getting banned?
-One guy got banned from the RGN server and he insisted that the IS-7 is good. So what?

And the second sentence is trying to impose some moral obligation on people to not be truthful but instead follow some common (mis-)conceptions about which tanks is good or bad. This is incredibly narrow because it completely discounts that some people do like extremely unpopular tanks, and that some useless tanks are extremely popular. Don’t even get me started on playstyle. I have no idea why you promote the idea of only giving one view on the topic instead of offering some differentiated picture of what one can expect of the tank, so that newcomers can decide for themselves if they want it or not, and not get a premade opinion shoved down their throats.

I find your post as a whole quite dazzlingly ambiguous, suggestive and on an argumentative level weak. But let me be quite open here:

I do think the IS-7 is good.
I do think the IS-7 is a lot of fun to play.
I do think that the IS-7 is a tank that is worth the grind.

[unique scaffold]

Try an E5 if you want a proper heavium. IS7 used to be OP but after the nerfs it's meh

[topaz geyser]

IS7 is trash. Have a nice night

[unique scaffold]

dO't bOy AyeS sEveN

[candid fox]

140 should get an ammo buff

[lean gate]

+1

[winged barn]

Allow me to summon positive

Is3 bad lmao

[unique scaffold]

ayo is the top gun for is3 got good penetration bc it has horrible dpm?

[remote oriole]

The last nerf to the IS-7 was in 4.3, which released on the 10th of October 2017. That nerf reduced the sideskirts to 5mm (weakening the black hole on the side). Previous nerfs were lowering the turret and hull traverse by around two degrees per second, however it should be noted that the hull traverse was buffed before that by five degrees per second

[unique scaffold]

Just wait till is7 gets reactive armor and turbo adrenaline and it's gonna be decent

[scarlet fjord]

not worth it mate i realized explaining how or why IS-7 is actually a good tank to people that think "IS-7 is trash" thats their "final" opinion and u cant change it cuz they are right are you are wrong i just started giving up lately because the less IS-7 players are good the more unique you can be in your IS-7 and enemies will often underestimate your capability in pubs a small bonus even if ur in a good clan

[nimble zodiac]

IS-7 is good for pubs, it doesn't need a buff, the meta tanks just need a tone down... not to mention those OP consumables' removal

[unique scaffold]

@scarlet fjord is7 bad
Why?
Cuz t-62 is better 😎

[nimble zodiac]

Still a little fun fact, they have the same top speed

Anyways it's incorrect to assume one tank is bad because another tank is "better" in an indirect way, even sometime sin a direct way if that tank used to compare is overpowered, making the lesser tank just average

Now for Caernarvon and Action X, poor Caernarvon

[queen elbow]

Ayo relax big man

[unique scaffold]

what is that??

[nimble zodiac]

Let's discuss this in #general-blitz-discussion

It's a more apt channel for this stuff

[unique scaffold]

REAL based way to play ayes seven
Dis whay ayes seven is good

[buoyant glen]

Just making the case to turn on team damage. This camper

[winged barn]

Yes, so they can shoot you too.

My allies killing eachother also has nothing to do with balance.

[full token]

Youd rather have a dead teammate than one thats doing something even if its a bad move?

[minor minnow]

I disagree. Sure, the gun isn’t the best handling or it doesn’t have the best depression or hull armor, but the alpha and turret more than make up for it. Plus, it can sidescrape given its spaced armor. It also has good traverse and a decent top speed, so I think it works well as a heavium, similar to the rest of the line

[buoyant glen]

It absolutely does when you consider overall team dynamics and general despise of wallet warriors. But yes fat fingered the channel a little... Leaving it in something like realistic mode would be sweet. But maybe 1/3 damage rate. Would also change how people will plow into you then block your shot

[full token]

Usually it’s not intentional when someone blocks your shot. Some just don’t know that they’re getting in the way, and sometimes the one whose shot is getting blocked doesn’t notice a teammate about to cross in front, and then they dump a shot into the teammate. It’s just a mistake on one or both sides and not much of an intentional thing

[quiet hamlet]

@full token very true some people just love cussing you out when you bock it by accident then they proceed to block you from backing up because they are a salty baby

[rustic hemlock]

Imagine complaining about a paper thin tank camping.

[buoyant glen]

Slow TDs can't shoot what they can't see. Lights job is literally to cap bases

[nimble zodiac]

Remember the good old days? H a h a. . .

[minor minnow]

I miss them so much 😢

[rare sleet]

t28 be like Bruh

[hearty steeple]

That there is the low res image of Olympus Mons taken by wg

[versed tide]

thats what i call balance

[scarlet fjord]

they're roles are so incredibly different i cant even comprehend what ur trying to say even if its a joke lol

[unique scaffold]

doesnt matter
what you need to understand is that i wont grind and i dont recommend grinding is7
Because there are better tanks to grind...

Such as LTTB, best rank X i've played

[uneven narwhal]

You are seriously comparing a Tier X heavy tank to a Tier VII light tank.....

[unique scaffold]

yes they are the same 😎
Seriously now, is7 isn't worth the grind, there are better tanks to grind than ayes seven

[uneven narwhal]

IS-7 is still definitely worth it if you want a fun heavy tank to play

[unique scaffold]

nah
Maus is here to fill that

[uneven narwhal]

For you perhaps
I personally don't like going 25 kmph

Even if I had the Maus, pretty sure I would pick IS-7 any day of the week due to its speed

[nimble zodiac]

There can be more than one

[spice cape]

Plez nerf Annie and Smasher thx WG bye

-Sun tzu, The art of kv2

[wicked sluice]

Agreed,i would rather have an is7 and the chance to get ammoracked then a tank that only reaches the battlefield when the Match is half over. Fully depends on the Player

[uneven narwhal]

Also, you have a chance of getting ammoracked in every tank in the game

IS-7 may be ammoracked a little more but certainly not as people show it to be
It is just observational bias on their part because everyone notices an IS-7 ammorack more than any other tank's just because IS-7 is memed on
I personally have seen more Soviet Meds get ammoracked (individually) than IS-7s

[fallow shale]

Yep. I play is7 a lot my self. It's my fav tier x. And I get full health ammoracked like about 1 in every 100 games

[leaden flare]

I've rarely seen any T10 meds getting racked the most common one certainly would be t-22 and Leo because the ammo is also in the front

I'd say I've only seen e5 hull tanks having a ammo damaged more often then IS7
I'm not talking about it exploding but beeing dmged

[wicked sluice]

I can 100% agree with this,if you dont Show the Front plate in a 90 degree angle it surley wont happen that often,i noticed that the t22 is also really easy to ammorack if you shoot a part of the upper hull. IMO its still easier to ammorack an E5/T57/E4 because the Spot is pretty easy to hit too

[twin egret]

Can you send pictures where exactly the ammunition rack is for the T-22 on the front hull?

[winged barn]

Bois, yall are talking about weak med ammoracks without mentioning the 121b?

[uneven narwhal]

Or this tonk

[sacred ridge]

I really think that the AMX AC. 48 needs a balance. Its easily out dpmed by basically all of tier 8s and some 7s including heavies. It directly competes with the Jpanther II and has similar speed.

[true laurel]

I still think the Grille 15 needs a little camo buff.and the fv215b 183 should probably get a camo buff too.

[unique scaffold]

When comes 113 sides buff?

[autumn zodiac]

It is easily the worst tier 8 tank destroyer.

For some reason there's a mentality saying it's good because the penetration but it has some of the worst in class stats outside of that

[shut pulsar]

They are 120mm now, instead of 70mm.

[vital basalt]

it already got buffed u know,like 1 update ago
from 90mm to 120mm

[unique scaffold]

Amx AC 48 has one of the best TD Armor at tier 8 though, better than some tier 7 heavies ( and even tier 8)

[autumn zodiac]

I don't think that's true at all

[distant river]

It can get around 300mm frontally before normalisation...

But it's always got those huge cupolas and 40mm sides etc

[vital basalt]

yes it has meh armor at upper plate problem is,it has 4 weakspots at front lmao
actually its 5 if your gun is +120mm

[sudden path]

Not to mention the drivewheels

[unique scaffold]

Bruh i'm slow🤣 ty tho

[river valley]

Please give VK 45.02 A the Kw.K. L/68 gun, because before Tiger II buff it was a Tiger II that scrificed this gun for mobility, however after Tiger II armor buff it completely sucks and it needs the Kw.K. L/68 gun.

[river valley]

Yeah it needs a buff, if I want a good pen tank then i play ISU-152 which has a bit more pen but it also has more alpha and DPM.

[sturdy idol]

Can we see stats on tier 7 like @lusty silo releases monthly for 8-10? I have a theory that the typical player will have a WR equal to their lifetime WR +10% with a relatively small margin of error. Every time I check a players stats (particularly those clocking a lot of Anni battles) this theory checks out, but I only have the ability to see anecdotal data. . .

[unique scaffold]

Nerf the anni and smasher. Plz

[versed tide]

more people copying the format sigh

[edgy crag]

what format

it's not like you invented it

[unique scaffold]

Bufg vk.45.02 Ausf. A upper plate armor

[nimble zodiac]

I think it needs a better turret for its job

[versed tide]

the sun tsu thing from a ytber

[quartz crown]

Can you fix low tier masteries

nerf kran and Emil 1
Stop giving german tds spall liner and give them an hp buff - it probably is the worst executed buff across your game.
also fix testing while you're at it its a joke how broken the m-vi-whatever is a guranteed 4k meanwhile the 260 is an actual challenge.
While you're at stop giving every new tank a god tier turret when ten degrees of gun dep, i want to play the game not ridgeline simulator

[nimble zodiac]

Eh, for a borsig with spall, 3 122mm HE penetrations will still be as effective as 3 122mm AP penetrations

Also borsig's hitboxes are wack xD

[sacred ridge]

Overall, jpanther ii is easily the most well balanced tier 8 td

[uneven narwhal]

I guess it is

[stark moss]

Wg will never see that

[uneven narwhal]

I couldn't agree more to the last point

[slim smelt]

Pls fix match making

[radiant knoll]

WG never will see this XD

[drowsy plaza]

@slim smelt more like please fix players.

[turbid smelt]

1 bonk a day, keeps yolo nerds away

[winged barn]

Lies, they still infest my games

[turbid smelt]

but it is the ancient spell
it must work

[unique scaffold]

Nah the turret is ok. The problem is the frontal armor. You cant realy perform with it aigainst other t8 heavy tanks like the löwe

[drowsy plaza]

@unique scaffold Löwe and T34 used to see tier X in +/-2 and have pen from that era

[unique scaffold]

If you dont play platoon then we only have a +/-1 matchmaking right?so you can get into a +/-2 match by playing platoon.and that means that even the vk 45.02 A could get into a t10 round i think

Edit: @turbid smelt i know that you only have a chance to get into a t10/9 match with t8 when your platoon partner plays a t9 and you a t8.

[turbid smelt]

@winged barn it is like 140 vs 62 situation

you only play 140 to have somewhat fun challenging game

otherwise you use 62 master race, like most normies

old text:
no
you can only face higher tiers if you fail toon

otherwise you will always face +-1mm

Nah the turret is ok. The problem is the frontal armor. You cant realy perform with it aigainst other t8 heavy tanks like the löwe

45a is a heavium, it is not meant to frontally withstand other nerds
it can however work if you use rock and angle

its mobility is far superior than most other heavies

[sharp saddle]

failtooning exists.
+2/-2 used to be the norm a long time ago now

[true laurel]

Yes I have experienced failtoons... Sadly

[winged barn]

The vk is just bad. It doesn't have enough of an advantage in mobility to use it instead of a tiger.

The gun isn't anything worthwhile either

Its supposed to counter meds, but it has no depression and is tall. That is a receipe for a sidehug

Or, if you want the slight bit more mobility, the pan2 exists making the vk laughable

At least the 140 does what it does well. The vk just can't really do anything

And I play kv5 for fun, and still carry noobs with it. That does not change that it is a trash tank

Oh yes. I will flex on u

[vital basalt]

i'd say it should have -8 or -7 gun depression,its very tall tank with only -6 depression which feels like -4

[unique scaffold]

Nah it is not that bad. I like to play it and i also have good rounds with it. The vk 45.02 A gives me a good feeling every round. when i played the vk 100 i didnt had fun in the rounds

[turbid smelt]

i play 45a for fun
it is as capable

not the kv5 card
uh oh

[jagged crescent]

finally

[vital basalt]

no buff for caervarnon tho

[versed tide]

They buffed cent 1 Pershing and t25/2 as well I agree to all the buffs and nerfs ngl

[twin egret]

these buffs don't seem confirmed though
even if they were, things are subject to change

oh 🤔

[vital basalt]

they are,from official wg
just go to RU forum 8.0 topic

[quick crown]

Tbh, Centurion 7/1 should use the turret buff, not the Centurion 1, because the turret is so easy to pen to most tier 9s and tier 10s.

[vital basalt]

also M46 aswell,its literally paper
@autumn zodiac yes but whats the point of M46 if you can play Type 61 which has everything better

[autumn zodiac]

46 is a DPM based tank

[full token]

7/1 is fine. It has HESH on a good gun and it doesn’t need any buff. The turret isn’t the best but you’ll stop a few shots. Doesn’t need to be better at hulldown

[safe rapids]

M46 doesn't need armor buff, it needs either speed or pen. 218 is not good, needs at least 225 or so

[rustic hemlock]

T20 turret is too thin for its tier . Should be raised a bit more on the turret only

[safe rapids]

True...

[autumn zodiac]

If you raise it a bit more it still does nothing

[dreamy oar]

The tanks that I absolutely hate in the in the American medium line are the t20 and m46. They’re just completely different from the rest of the branch. The Sherman’s, patron and Pershing are all capable of hull down. But the t20 and m46 naw dawg. The m46 has a decent damage with the 105 but terrible pen and the t20 guns are kind of lack luster to me. Both tanks should get a pen buff.

[safe rapids]

No, the T20 is fine, it has insane APCR rounds and it's speedy. Only the M46 is really lagging behind.

[twin egret]

^^
whenever I see an M46, I think free damage tbh

[rustic hemlock]

I mean as in mm of armor on the turret. Not make it bigger

[autumn zodiac]

That's what I was talking about....

[vital basalt]

even if you make it lets say 150mm,its flat so its still gonna be easy to pen
i'd say T20 needs better dpm
pershing is gonna be fine after that buff idk
and m46 needs a better penetration like that guy said,its speed is fine,armour paper but ehhh

[safe rapids]

Yeah, the M46 is the only one that needs a buff. WG buffed the turret on PC to make it troll but not a hulldown god or anything, I think it would be nice like that. Gun needs more pen too, it's easily the weakest link in the branch.
Tier IX tanks in general seem either too strong or too weak for the tier lol.

[orchid grove]

What has historically differentiated US meds is gun handling and view range. I'd prefer to see M46 get a gun handling buff to like .08/.08 or something, like 10-15M extra view range, and maybe some DPM.

Turret armor buffs are dumb, because we don't need any more hulldown mediums, and then it'll just be a powercreep race between them all. US meds historically in WoT/Blitz have had pretty bad turret armor, and trying to shoehorn them into the hulldown medium category is bad for game diversity. Better to keep US meds different by emphasizing their strengths

[sudden path]

I honestly think the m46 is the best on the line because it actually has ok alpha with ok mobility and ok gun handling, like a type 61 but not as squishy
Not really bad just misunderstood and powercrept
T20 only has 225 alpha as a strength it's not enough
Perishing is meh in a lot of areas not really enough to play it over pretty much any other med or heavy, 225 alpha is not enough.
M48 is the worst med in tier x, too slow and fat with not enough armor or gun handling to make up for it
M46>m48 tier for tier but the line as a whole is the worst in the entire game

[drowsy plaza]

Type 61 DPM buff made the M46 less viable. It needs something to make up for the pen short comings. Especially since the heavy HP buff

[turbid smelt]

give it atgms

[versed tide]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-markiplier-gif-14835823

[winged barn]

Give it the derp back

[unique scaffold]

Tier 9 is cool, cause most of the OG tanks are well balanced unlike new Vickers, t92 and consumable cancer. Don’t buff anything plz

[errant shard]

Pls buff type59 gun dpm or pen they are both bad atleast buff one of them

[sudden path]

We should have a week where wg has to implement every change suggested in this chat
Let's see how fast the game would decline

[nimble zodiac]

Luckily Smasher and Annihilator would be destroyed

[unique scaffold]

T32 need Buff

[versed tide]

It doesn’t

[nimble zodiac]

At least give specifics ._.

Of course there is the standard penetration, but honestly, for god-tier hulldown capabilities, load prammo

[deft owl]

T32 gets a buff in update 8.0

[nimble zodiac]

Thx for reminding me BH has the info out

Also DANG that's a hardcase armor buff

[dreamy oar]

The prammo for 105 gun is less than the 90mm

[nimble zodiac]

Still, 245mm should work

[rustic hemlock]

What is getting buffed about it? The pen? Every thing is decent about the tank except the pen

[orchid grove]

Upper front plate IIRC

[nimble zodiac]

Basically the entire hull front, even the top part

[unique scaffold]

usless update 8.0 ! buff pershing ,t 28 , T 32 no help ! because pantera + progetto + EMIL 1 kill this tanks in second reload (20 sec ) and T 32 need pen !

[stiff edge]

yes

[nimble zodiac]

That’s why they’re buffing them, so they can fight the other tanks better, also no tank in tier 8 can kill another in 20 seconds under normal circumstances, so I’m not sure what you’re on about

T32 admittedly needs more penetration as a heavy, but they’re making it balanced in 8.0, maybe even overpowered (as in above balanced)

[full token]

T54 Mod 1 buff? Did it need one?

[twin egret]

Churchill GC buff is so funny

[novel depot]

they're finally buffing these powercrept tech tree tanks, maybe not by a lot, but still

[nimble zodiac]

Totally not pointers to the new American heavies

[dark glen]

Just keep buffing every tank and don’t fix the actual problems 👌

[nimble zodiac]

They only plan to buff one in-game heavy in 8.0 afaik, which is good because the heavies in general are overperforming. At least the near-pointless mediums and TDs are getting some love

[novel depot]

in my opinion it's nice to see T28 and centurion 1 getting buffed, as well as the pershing

[full token]

Nice that it’s a smaller buff rather than something crazy

[leaden flare]

I want to see them buffing till anni and smasher are powercrept them they have the new balance and can start working on the problems😂

[full token]

Annihilator is now in a crate with 4.35% chance. The other rewards are other tier 7 crates

[vital basalt]

yea but those are still so small buffs except T28 one,like 10mm more armor at turret for Cent 1,it doesnt even gonna chance anything probably,and for pershing extra 100dpm is fine but 10mm more turret is still not gonna chance anything

[drowsy plaza]

Cent I buff was meaningless. - the roof/eyebrow is still weak and it’s slower than several tier 8 heavies.

[terse tinsel]

pls buff 215b hp or nerf other heavies's -e5 also has those consumables and has 2450 hp

[drowsy plaza]

215b is still a great tank — it just requires skill to play. It’s got the broken consumables too so it can absolutely massacre mediums better than it could before.

Honestly you can’t really justify any tier X heavy tank buff at this point.

[uneven narwhal]

T57 Heavy imo

[drowsy plaza]

What do you buff in it? Seriously it has monster potential as long as you don’t play it as a conventional heavy.

[novel depot]

E4, it's almost a heavy

Maybe VK 72? Or T95E6?

For other tanks, i'd buff 4202 or perhaps BC 25t

[drowsy plaza]

There are 6 tanks in the Balance Sheet in X that are out of the norms

E3 overperforming in Td’s

Maus and IS-4 over performing in heavies

[uneven narwhal]

I would personally like a bit more reverse speed or overall speed buff
The reverse speed is really a killer when you want to back up quickly and the bad armor profile does not exactly compensate for the speed
The turret armor is okay as it is but I thing a speed buff would be okay (not too much)
Not to mention the classic Amecian hull where ur sides are weak as heck
Most of the times when backing up, you will get tracked and damaged at the same time due to low reverse speed

Now I agree, that you should always have cover nearby but there are instances where you need to poke out a bit more than usual to get shots in
So a buff to reverse speed would do it well
Will be not too much of a buff but would make the tank more comfortable to play

[terse tinsel]

215b also has horrible reverse speed and cant peek with hull frontally due to bad track thickness

[full token]

Its a rear turret. You should not do that anyway

[tepid latch]

@uneven narwhal sounds like you’re getting caught out in the 57 heavy. That’s a you problem, the tank isn’t supposed to have comfortable mobility, it’s all about the gun.

@terse tinsel 215b is fine as is - like crusader said you need skill to play it.

[terse tinsel]

obviously u shouldnt do that with either of em. what im saying is 215 needs more health to be able to compete with other heavies and lead the line when necessary

[full token]

Its not a weak tier 10 so it needs no buff

[nimble zodiac]

“compete with other heavies”
Here’s the problem, those heavies.

[terse tinsel]

a heavy hp pool nerf would be enough to make it strong again. otherwise what the point of playing it when i can just play a t62a that can do almost everything better

[tepid latch]

It’s not meant to soak damage. It’s not a maus or is4. It’s meant for support and if you’re having a problem with the hp I’m guessing your playing too aggressive.

And 215b is nothing like the t62a. You just cannot compare them.

[leaden flare]

The only thing id change on 215b is the module crits they are a pain

T57 is fairly fine the reverse is annoying but it's still a good tank

[dusky marlin]

the VK leopard is an absolute pain to verse in tier 4 and 5. even though its armour is pretty thin most guns dont have the DPS and reload speed at that tier to face it at close range.
i dont know how to balance it im just putting it out there for people to discuss how it could be

[terse tinsel]

t62a is also a support tank and not meant to soak damage.but when u have to push. 215b goes first. e5 isnt meant to soak dmg either but it get 150 more health.

[sharp saddle]

215b is fine how it is, we don’t need to be buffing it to other heavies levels, where some of them are clearly over-buffed and over-performing. The tank is not easy to play, but can hold its own at tier ten. I definitely would not consider a 215b to be a weak tank.

[terse tinsel]

ok ill take the other heavies nerf

[terse tinsel]

the leo is kinda easy to deal with if its user dosent use its camo and mobility.if u mean close range peak a boom try to sidescrape against it even with meds. the pen is so bad it cant even pen that plus the dispersion after shot is bad cus of the number of shots so ure not gonna get hit by all shots at least so ure guaranteed to win the trade even if it can pen u. and if u mean straight brawl try to get to its side and sidehug, the leo is a tall tank and could get u out of of the brawl with less health lost .

[stone ocean]

Nerf Annihilator pls

[versed tide]

I mean maus is there since skilled players like playing it I don’t think it’s op, I would like to point out that removing 374 heat would buff maus indirectly as well, but like what would you nerf on maus

[winged barn]

Skills. Such as yoloing.

Its currently way too durable. The gun isn't the greatest, but it can kill anything with its poorer (not even bad) gun before literally any tank can get through it's broken durability.

Things to nerf:
Hp pool
Gun
Mobility

Problems with the maus: mobility
But if you take the maus to an annoyingly central position that you have to deal with, the enemies can't just run. What are they going to do? Kill you? Nah.

[sharp saddle]

The maus is so good because of that durability. Many enemies may find it difficult to even penetrate you, and they have to spend time to go through the large health pool whilst trying to penetrate.

Honestly for how much armour the Maus has, the mobility isn’t that bad from my experience

[novel depot]

Maus has really good HP, to destroy it you need like 1 minute on average

[leaden flare]

Maus is incredibly good against bots especially against the ones not using prammo but on the other hand it's fairly weak imo against a decent enemy since they don't have trouble penning it

[tepid latch]

Or they’ll just ignore you and you won’t be able to di anything

[twin egret]

what kills the Maus is aiming

[turbid smelt]

what kills maus is
lack of atgms

let's give maus atgms

[sharp saddle]

Who knew aiming kills something

[nimble zodiac]

Me play 183, me counter your argument

[winged barn]

Sure, they pen you... 3k hp later

[full slate]

Wargaming when will you rename your game to World Of Tank Premium Blitz ?

[dense walrus]

because WOTPB~~&J~~ doesn't have the same ring to it

[prisma jetty]

You could just say World of Premium, but then it’ll be WoP witch might be awkward if you are around the wrong people

[honest dagger]

Will t62 with 115mm sm00thb0re be added

[versed tide]

Well the point of maus is too be tanky the things I would nerf is the dpm ngl

[bronze osprey]

prob not, its gun caliber is weird so dmg with be something like 380-395, along with the over match mechanic making it awkward, its pen would way to good being able to butter most tanks like the ho ri.

it would at most have -5 degrees gun depression.

it's a really good example why more modern tanks are just way to good to be in blitz

[true laurel]

T62a should get a pen buff since it's main is apcr

[muted wing]

nerf smasher

[twin egret]

I think that would be impossible because WG has some grudge against Smoothbore @honest dagger

[stone ocean]

No, nerf annihilators front always bug and bounce on not highlighted points so nerf annihilitars dpm and armor on front hull and gun mantle to make it balanced

[nimble zodiac]

You don’t ask for nerfs based on flawed highlighting mechanics 👀

[drowsy plaza]

@stone ocean perhaps try using Armor Inspector.

[stone ocean]

I use but sometimes pen sometimes not pen total random and if a point work my rng 100% hit the point where i cant pen it armor highlighting are totally buggy in newly added tank like the vickers line, vickers line often this pen highlighter bug

[nimble zodiac]

I’m curious, could you DM me the replays (with the timestamps of the bugs) or videos of them occurring?

[quasi axle]

You sure it's just not gun dispersion making your shots go somewhere else

[drowsy plaza]

Very slight movement can make armor be impenetrable depending on angles

[violet seal]

Obvious thing: Nerf the Annihilator, it has 600 alpha with all 3 shells penning, it has good gun depression, an almost impenetrable turret (Trust me I couldn't pen it with ISU APCR) and it has great dpm & mobility. Sure, pen is subpar, but considering the other attributes, it is very overpowered

[nimble zodiac]

If you couldn’t pen it with ISU APCR you’re clearly making a mistake here

And yes, it’s OP, and no, they won’t nerf it anytime soon

[unique scaffold]

Imo those graphs are dumb, cause MM is mirrored so if 1 team gets 3 heavy another gets 3 = the win rate is +/- equal. If this wasn’t the case meds and TDs would be way below all heavy tanks.

[versed tide]

eh?

[drowsy plaza]

@unique scaffold yes it’s artificial balancing

But again it’s the 55-65% players - and has damage too. It’s more an artificial inflation of meds and TD stats and a masking of heavy imbalance.

[violet seal]

crap armorinspector doesnt let me see the annihilator's armor

[nimble zodiac]

Yup, money is money

I could livestream it to ya

[jagged crescent]

nice

[dreamy oar]

FINALLY IT GOT SOME ARMROR. A bit too late after I painfully grinded that tank

[sudden path]

Huge buff now heavies have to load gold to pen t32 front

[dreamy oar]

Isn’t that like for most heavies anyways

[rustic hemlock]

I should not have sold my t32 to buy t49 even though I hated it

[jagged crescent]

Head on, most 220+ pen guns should still go right through. These are the numbers without factoring normalization

[distant river]

It's already got extremely good armour (yes not on the flat for geniuses who think hulldown tanks should be exposing their hull in the open but people like that are...) and on top of that it's got average speed + speed booster and extra hp. It didn't need any buff at all it was already a great tank.

[latent snow]

They are just noob proofing it

[distant river]

As a tank it's pretty noob proofed already, you don't need to worry about hiding weakspots on the turret, you can get bounces from your hull and you have the consumables to make up for any bad mistakes in positioning. The only thing that isn't noob proofed is the gun and people despise it because you can't meme pen any tank you look at and it takes slight positioning to be used to its full effectiveness. This buff is just embarrassing from WG.

Oh and this is its turret against generic tier 8 heavy prammo, still very respectable and something I'd happily take hulldown.

Wait this isn't just tier 8 heavy prammo, this is jag E100 CS HEAT 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[full token]

Atleast the open test isn’t the final version, so there’s a chance they remove the buff

[latent snow]

They went ahead with buffing the t29, which already was a good tank prebuff. They will probably go along with this buff too.

I bet even when this buff is put through, people will still complain about its gun

[hearty steeple]

Well the gun is indeed the drawback on this tank. A trade for its armour, people don't get this anyways.

[distant river]

Run CS and it's literally just a marginally worse tiger gun but you have marginally more speed (+speed booster) and an amazing turret and gun depression and hp

[rocky briar]

Probably wont happen but seeing that the centurion 1 is getting a turret buff would it be a bad thing to suggest buffing the caernarvon's turret at tier 8, the turret is already basically the same as the Pre-Buff Centurion 1s turret with a worse turret roof, and it would especially need this considering its been left in the dust by its competition for a long time(T32, Action X, T54 Shark,)

[latent snow]

I would rather they nerf broken tanks instead of buff tanks that used to be decent

[deft owl]

@latent snow Most brokens are premiums.

[gleaming apex]

Warning logged for Gamblenodium#3140. I couldn't DM them.

[rocky briar]

The problemo is mainly that wargaming refuses to nerf most of the stronger tanks because they are premiums and are protected under their policy so the best we can really do is continue to buff the power creeped tanks slowly until we reach an equilibrium

[dreamy oar]

It’s not really a policy, more of an unspoken rule to not touch premiums or collector tanks. They can be nerfed or buffed but they really like to bc money

[minor minnow]

^^^^ that’s why the Annihilator and Smasher haven’t been nerfed. Because WG knows that they’ll bring in money

[rocky briar]

Is it really an unspoken rule if they haven't done anything to nerf or balence premiums since the Original nerf of the Type 59 on PC

[dreamy oar]

In WG TOS it states that they CAN change characteristics of any tank no matter their status, premium or collector or tech tree. Or something along those lines. But they choose not to bc, at the least the higher ups don’t, they could lose money and people will complain. They can nerf them but choose not to.

[rocky briar]

I understand that but honestly I lost faith in wargaming Nerfing premiums and taking car of that stuff so I'm trying to find the next best thing and that really is Buffing everything except the op tanks creating a balenced environment

[obtuse sentinel]

Does anyone have a link to the 8.0 patchnotes?

[unique scaffold]

wot blitz hangar !!

[nimble zodiac]

Guys he just said something reasonable

How long do we have until the world collapses?

[minor minnow]

About 7 seconds

[last shadow]

Didn't die yet
The end seems to be stuck in traffic

[minor minnow]

The end is currently experiencing server lag, please allow 24 hours before reporting the situation

[thorny glacier]

update the american medium section of tanks pls i got the m46 patton and it gets distroyed very fast by it weak armor.

[prisma jetty]

M46 is a gun, it doesn’t have a whole lot of armor but it has enough mobility and a good enough gun to make up for it, though it could use a buff but not to the armor

[safe rapids]

yeah, it needs penetration buff

[dreamy oar]

Yea, the m46 definitely needs a penetration buff

[scarlet fjord]

why are wargaming making the hull armor of the T32 so good lol
its too good for a hull down tank with that kind of a turret like wow
BUT all is forgiven for buffing the game carrier :D

[distant river]

Can't wait for 8.5 where M103 gets a hull buff and then 9.0 where E5 gets a hull buff 👀

[unique scaffold]

That makes sense lmao

[dreamy oar]

Personally I want those two tank get a turret buff. Bc imo, hull armor (besides super heavy tanks) doesn’t really matter bc of prammo. Now speaking of buffs;

I kinda want the t49 155’s HE round to have a pen buff up to 110mm. Like it’s basically HEP, I mean look at the German bulldog, it’s hep pen is 104, why is much higher than the the 155 when it’s a 90mm.
Also, replace the heat with ap or apcr (leaning more towards apcr since is normalization is less than ap, giving it less pen) with 135 or 150mm of pen.
Better on the move dispersion but a longer aiming time.
Damage for both shells should stay the same.

[vital basalt]

The problem with the M46 is Type 61 does what M46 does but in a much better way, much better gun, same speed, both paper but Type 61 have a better view range

[nimble zodiac]

The GC buff is nearly useless xD

[drowsy plaza]

When the Type 61 got the DPM buff it made the M46 Patton irrelevant

[twin egret]

it's useful tho nonetheless

[scarlet fjord]

a buff is a buff :D

[rocky briar]

idk the gun on it is already pretty fantastic and 10 degrees of gun depression

[nimble zodiac]

I guess if you love fighting mediums they can't reliably pen you (in general) on the superstructure, but still.

[twin egret]

I like fighting the KV-2's

[twin egret]

Can't they just buff the side armour of the FV215b to 104mm, bruh WG...

[nimble zodiac]

I think they just need to buff the 254mm plates on the side so it can sidescrape 😎

[minor minnow]

I would not be opposed

[twin egret]

heck no, @drowsy plaza

[teal palm]

Doesn’t this go against one of the rules?

[rocky briar]

Advertising Stuff in balance discussion, 1000 iq

[gleaming apex]

Po3a_XeHTau#1328 was banned

[vital basalt]

where is this from?

[unique scaffold]

More Depresion and penetration for t62a plz

[minor minnow]

The depression is good for what it’s meant to do, and the penetration is decent for a medium. Just run calibrated

[unique scaffold]

Do you have enough experience? could it help me with the t62a i suffered so much in it i don't know if it is the crew and the equipment that were not full

[novel depot]

I run rammer, it also works out well

[vital basalt]

it already has the best gun in the game with amazing dispersion,aim time etc.,its turret armor is already one of the best medium turrets at tier 10,its speed is fine and you want more?

[novel depot]

Well, te gun is not the best, the best gun belongs to Grille, fantastic DPM, alpha, accuracy, just everything. As for a medium, on the first place i'd put Leo 1, then T-62A

[minor minnow]

The gun is in fact one of if not the best gun on a medium tank. We’re talking handling. The grill has a good gun, yes. But it can’t fire on the move nearly as well as a T-62.

[lunar niche]

Best gun on Grille until you turn your gun a little to left/right.

[vital basalt]

if you consider the alpha,penetration than yes grille has the best gun but for accuracy its T62A (unless you count reticle calibration)

[leaden flare]

leo is by far not the best T10 med it might have the best dpm and a good gun but the lack of armor is just too much just take a vickers instead which has better armor better mobility better camo and just a worse gun even tho vickers is a light

[burnt venture]

Balanz Da. "Smasher and Annihilator are relatively rare and do not affect MM much." Meanwhile... stats show there are way more battles played in these tanks than other tier 7s lol

[rare sleet]

Vickers actually feels slower than leopard 1 and its gun is much less accurate than leo 1

[orchid grove]

Where did this graph come from?

[normal dune]

give is5 some gd

[unique scaffold]

keni otsu on tier 7 ? anni smasher ! and bay better no play as feel pain of stupidyty of WG

[unique scaffold]

making tortoise turn faster lol

[vital basalt]

or just give it armor

[crystal halo]

Give it it’s armour back

[full token]

It had an armor nerf at some point?

[leaden flare]

id argue that E75 has way way way to good armor

[coarse harness]

Just the kpz has crap APCR

[leaden flare]

its not like it has anything good
@coarse harness still E75 meets T8 meds and 240 pen even on APCR is fairly decent on T8 so its pretty foolproof

[nimble zodiac]

E75 def has enough armor to be prammo only to most tier 8s, unless they wanna gamble RNG to hit the cupola

T-44 has such a thicc gun profile o-o

[scarlet fjord]

interesting how T 44 85 has a patched turret but T 44 at tier 8 still 120 mm :D

[crystal halo]

A massive one, making it basically useless and inferior to the AT-15

[full token]

That’s a turtle not tortoise

[nimble zodiac]

I think that nerf was too much, but yeah, Tortoise was always the squishy plastic it is

[winged barn]

The poor turtle went from broken armor to...
Lol

[latent snow]

the tank is pathetic now

[crystal halo]

I thought they talking about the turtle bruh, I’m just blind nvm me

[nimble zodiac]

The only thing it has left is a fast 330 shot, I think the armor was fine, maybe not the lower plate, perhaps that could stay nerfed, but the top plate did NOT need to be nerfed, the side... I guess could be nerfed, kinda no point when there's the track area

[leaden flare]

Same fate as tortoise I guess
But at 15 is just enjoyable

[real bison]

Vickers is faster, and the gun is worse sure, but you trade dpm and accuracy for HE shells, which are both cheap and have quite good pen for HE

[tepid latch]

Leo 1 and Vickers both have their places. Vickers doesn’t replace the Leo and vice versa

[stray verge]

Leo 1 isnt a light tank, its too big and does not have the view range or camo to qualify as one

[minor minnow]

Yet it has the mobility and lack of armor

[tepid latch]

Both are good

[rare sleet]

Vickers is definitely not faster than leopard 1.
It has worse Effective power to weight ratio and much worse terrain resistance with a marginally better traverse speed. But leopard 1 still feels faster as it is a longer tank.

[nimble zodiac]

AMX CDC is classified as a medium, and I’m sure it’s purely based on weight 😂

[stray verge]

kind of not true, vickers weighs more than a T-62A

[twin egret]

The french say it is a tank hunter

[midnight fable]

Watch this.
https://youtu.be/wskM481G63o

[rocky briar]

May I suggest a Mantlet buff on the tier 8 caernarvon, I'm tired that this tank is intended as a gun depression heavy yet 90% of things that hit the Mantlet insta penetrate it or even if they hit around the Mantlet they penetrate it too, because this tank has the same fairly weak turret as the Centurion 1 Pre Buff, could the caern get some WG love too?

Picture is a caernarvon using max gun depression

[vital basalt]

not just mantlet,even cheeks are kinda weak against same tier heavies,the roof is only 51mm so you can easily pen it aswell,and oh boy AX gets literally double the side armor normal caer gets with better gun and speed

[rocky briar]

The problem in general is that the tank carries the exact turret the Centurion 1 carries which is already unreliable with worse turret roof armor, why is it that a tier 8 turret Reliant heavy tank with good gun depression has an objectively worse Turret than alot of tier 8 mediums

[brittle reef]

buff e100's turret, its pretty much butter for prammo for a super heavy

[tepid latch]

Yes let’s fix the one downside of a meta super heavy so it can be even more noob proof for you to play

[jagged crescent]

its not even that bad. The majority of tanks that butter the e100 turret can be outtraded anyways.

[versed tide]

But e100 gets a gun and impenetrable upper plate the turret can work against meds angled correctly

[leaden flare]

Well they did that with WT😂

[tepid latch]

😂😂😂😐

[scarlet fjord]

Vickers isnt faster lol its the slowest of the light tanks and Leopard 1 is faster than all the light tanks at tier 10

[nimble zodiac]

The fact they need prammo makes it good

[stray verge]

git gud smh

[median cave]

Just watched droodles newest video and WG PLZ MAKE A EVENT WHERE YOU HAVE TO GRIND FOR A TIER8-10!!!

[cerulean mason]

Players shouldn’t be able to go up tiers in the tech tree or buy premium tanks until they get a mastery at their current highest tier. Way too many 30% nubs playing high tiers.

[hearty steeple]

Gatekeeping tiers will simply reduce revenues and wg will never do that. That is ignoring the fact that its an awful idea all around. Aces don't mean someone knows how to play, 30ers also get aces. And i bet player retention would be non existent if they aren't allowed to move to tier 2 unless they ace their tier 1.

[scarlet fjord]

I've seen bad players do crazy games cuz his team was half useless and the reds never fired a single shell at him and he does great dmg

[pseudo hedge]

Any Sentence that starts with "I watched Droodles Video..." can only be crap.

[nimble zodiac]

But an event for a big boy tank sounds great 😭

Also how he said he wanted “A EVENT WHERE YOU HAVE TO GRIND FOR A TIER8-10” kinda sounds like, y’know, every tech tree tank in existence

[unique scaffold]

Someone forgot about Exp apparently

[scenic pilot]

Nerf Smasher and Annihilator

[violet sedge]

Everyone knows it will not happen but what about not beaing able to use those tanks in platoon ??

[sharp saddle]

It’ll be a similar story from WG with affecting customers trust I’d say

[violet sedge]

I don't think so.People don't buy those tanks to play in platoons.It might even increase T7 tank sales.I'm completely avoiding buying any t7 from shop. They should really consider.

[turbid smelt]

@violet sedge yeah, make another 62

propose even more lazy solutions than weegee balance department

[median cave]

They should have an event where you can grind for a NEW tank.something that would take 1-2 months

[stiff edge]

so like the is6f in ratings except a new tank?

[gleaming apex]

Hunky_Warden#2898 has been warned.

IronBullet#8313 has been warned.

[drowsy plaza]

@violet sedge it isn’t going to happen. Either avoid tier 6-7 if you don’t like it - or suck it up until WG buffs around that cesspool that is tier 7 balance.

Yes the Annihilator is broken and the Smasher is too. Everyone knows it - the silver lining is 99% of the folks playing them currently are easy to farm even in a tier 6.

[twin egret]

I just noticed something funny, the Strv 74A2 is still considered as a Blitz Nation tank lol

[lunar arrow]

Annihilator has the highest WR up to tier IX. So many muppets using it now, though, that may not last. The main problem is that it distorts the game, as ppl are scared of it. Maybe give it low tier MM every time...

[nimble zodiac]

low tier MM can mean one of two things 👀

[full token]

Make tier 8 great by not letting the Annihilator face tier 8s?

[nimble zodiac]

low tier MM could be:

1. The tank in question is placed into lower tiers
2. The tank in question is lower tiered

Obviously it means one but high tier MM can have the same meaning if nothing is solidified as the definition

[full token]

Everyone would want it to be the 2nd one so it’s the 2nd one

[versed tide]

make anni have anti preferential mm

[low cliff]

Correction: Everyone would want it to be the second one so it's obviously the first one

[nimble zodiac]

That’s just for Annihilator though, and maybe Smasher 👀

[twin egret]

fail platoon with an annihilator annd it'll do fine

[willow hawk]

M46 Patton needs a pen buff. It’s been a while, but 215mm for a tier 9 medium is slightly below par. Make it 226mm-240mm for the max gun.

[nimble zodiac]

Yeah so it has something 😂

[rustic hemlock]

T20 needs armor buff in my opinion

[full token]

would need to like double that thickness for it to do anything

[graceful totem]

Make annihilators shoot between 3 secs per shell or something.

[gritty crescent]

stop crying about anni they arent gonna do anything to it

[remote oriole]

Wait. If they won’t do anything about it, shouldn’t we cry harder to make them change their minds? Isn’t that the more logical approach than accepting the unacceptable?

No, only big meanies riot

[turbid smelt]

let's RIOT

[gritty crescent]

i mean you can but its a prem they arent gonna change something thats able to make them a lot of money

[neat yew]

I'm wondering - heard that the T28 will receive some armor changes, but that bugs me, cause the armor is still very effective against some mediums and light tanks. 'Course, once you load the prammo, the armor goes away, but I'm more confused as to why the mobility of the T28 and T28 Prototype wasn't buffed.

[remote oriole]

Because that would kind of defeat the idea and purpose of the tank

[novel depot]

Because both tanks shouldn't be mobile, more like armored

[thin marsh]

This game is perfectly balanced no need to discuss about it

[light ivy]

Like people can't pen maus' upper hull too xd

[remote oriole]

Unexpected, but not unwelcome

[lavish willow]

Hello, so I was the guy a long time ago who suggested to buff Enhanced tracks by making your tracks be able to take more hits before it detracks, because it was useless unlike the Toolbox if the enemy keeps detracking you. I have a suggestion to buff refined gun, because it's too situational unlike Vertical Stabilizer and ain't worth it for the right sitaution especially since it only decreases your dispersion at 100m by 10%. Even if it benefits tank destroyers, light tanks that use vertical stabilizer have a 5+% accuracy advantage. I recommend buffing refined gun by making it reduce dispersion at 100m by 30% instead of 10%. If that's game breaking, then vertical stabilizer can be nerfed as long Refined Gun decreases dispersion at 100m twice as Vertical Stablizer decreases dispersion during tank movement or/and also increases aiming time by 30% to balance it out. I also recently came back playing wot blitz after learning new techniques from other video games.

[neat yew]

20% for the refined gun would be insane - it'd have to be different for different tanks, as 10% is already a very large bonus for, say, a russian heavy.

[unique scaffold]

That’s like slapping reticle calibration on an already accurate enough gu- oh wait

[lavish willow]

I forgot it's supposed to be 30%, not 20% and I realized it would be insane without a downside, so I included a 30% increased aiming time. High risk, high reward

Also, the Consumable Delivery System also benefits consumables that give bonuses. I recommend buffing High-End consumables from +30% to duration of consumables to +45% to make it equally useful in father time's eyes. If this is also too much, nerfing Consumable Delivery System is fine as long its benefit is 2/3 of what High End consumables benefits.

[unique scaffold]

No? Those equipment pieces are just fine and amazing idea nerfing aim time to an equipment piece that’s supposed to make you more accurate because balancement means one thing is useless and the other decent
“High risk” “high reward”

[dim latch]

The smasher and annihilator need a nerf they are op . This game is becoming pay to win .The annihilator is overpowered it needs a nerf right now . Also the A15 needs a buff .

[lavish willow]

fictional tanks are OP to begin with, that's why they're fictional lol

[twin egret]

boycott purchases

[chrome basin]

It would be better to buff other t7 heavy tanks like IS and IS-2. They don't have a chance of winning when faced with smasher and annihilator. It is not likely to happen that the 2 op tanks were nerfed.

[fallow raptor]

No one have a chance to win against a smasher or an annhilator (having the same skill, obviously)

[vital basalt]

if they buff other heavies or general tier 7, then they have to buff tier 6s and when they do that, they need to buff tier 5s etc.

[brittle reef]

buff e100's armor when for more funner

[novel depot]

Well, the T29 has

[versed tide]

Or just nerf everything

[full token]

Create WoT Blitz 2

[turbid smelt]

^

[unreal spear]

Nerf reload Annihilator

[fossil spruce]

buff annihilator

[unreal spear]

Nerf Annihilator

[nimble zodiac]

Oh the pointless struggle 😦

[real bison]

now with more blitz

[stray verge]

Bring Object 279, wt auf E100, EBR, arty, and Object 268 v4

[rare sleet]

bruh nah we need the 60tp and type 5 heavy

[real bison]

nah, we need the Auf.Panther and T-50-2

[versed tide]

705a

[humble frost]

There should be an event with ke-ni otsu that tank is ridiculously good is really broken in DPM who agrees with something like that

[vital basalt]

if the tank is broken, why would wg ever wanna give it for free lol

[drowsy plaza]

The unfortunate aspect is I don’t think WG really understands their own game.
They ‘fixed’ the credit economy in 2.8 (IIRC) which made some tanks a lot less profitable to run, it made a lot more tanks better at not losing credits.
Then they have also sorts of credit boosters, and reduced tank repair costs (a major mistake IMHO) and of course the Prammo alpha nerf of 3.9 - which served to have folks shoot a whole lot less of it - making games more profitable.

So you get players like me who have 350M plus credits.
Where is the incentive to buy a premium to grind credits now?
Zero, unless you’re a collector.

So if you need to make money - new premiums need an edge if you want to sell them and no one needs them for their original reason.

The solution is to revamp the credit economy more, and at the same time revamp the balance - balancing premiums and raising some of their credit coefficients to make up for the beating the nerf bat will be doing.
It won’t make a lot of folks happy - but really it is what the game needs...

• I snipped this bit from a post of mine on the NA forum about premium tanks. I thought it was somewhat relevant

[remote oriole]

I disagree. You fail to consider contrary developments, such as the addition of more equipment and more importantly provisions and special consumables. You also fail to take into account the ease of credit grinding (or rather the hardship), in particular for newer players or players with average or worse-than-average performance. On top of that there are numerous credit wasting events which allow you to spend hundreds of millions of credits for special rewards such as backgrounds and premium or collector tanks. On top of that, tier ten is still not a profitable tier.

All in all, your argumentation comes from a privileged perspective that doesn’t know problems with credits due to in-game performance, a large garage with numerous premiums and having already invested most of the credits necessary to meet your goals.

This game does not need a credit economy rebalance. The actual issue you face is that you are beyond the need for credits because you already achieved a more than sustainable balance through hard work or hard cash. What this game needs for people like you (not meant negatively) is extremely overpriced, unique and rare prizes to generate some sort of long term goal when you don’t need to grind for equipment, tanks or whatever else you desire anymore.

[drowsy plaza]

Okay then how do you fix the Premium tank fiasco we now have in 7-8. Other than just avoiding those tiers? I didn’t take it negative to me. I’m a collector too - so I buy even the useless premiums.

[nimble zodiac]

Eesh, massive balance reworking is in place for 7-8, but that's be catastrophic if handled poorly, and I wouldn't trust WG too much to keep it stable

[versed tide]

we need a massive balance rework for all tiers over 5

[remote oriole]

Well, there are two ways, either you just take powercreep forever and try to keep it as minimal as possible (with maybe occasionally massive nerfs to all tanks to keep the game playable) or WG finds other ways to monetise the game without using mostly premium tanks.

Here a few other ideas that might help:

It’s possible to create special tiers that are premium tanks only; that way you can create an effective separation between pay-tank and free-tanks which ensures that p2w is kept to a minimum. Those can then be normally matched with the +/-1 MM. Naturally other concerns like tier to tier balance will come up, but that balance is a lot more flexible and forgiving than same tier balance.

Another option would be to actually move premium tanks into the tech-tree after a time period where they become part of certain branches. This solution isn’t ideal because many premium tank owners will be disgruntled (and would want a bonus of some form for having owned the tank previously), but this would help greatly to reduce the premium-to-techtree disproportion and recycle old and pointless premiums that few want to buy anyways.

Dividing the matchmaker so that it attempts to throw all premiums in one game and all techtree tanks in another. For speed of matching this rule isn’t strict. I’m not a big fan of this solution because it only pushes the issue around a bit without really solving it.

Adding tier eleven, and moving all strong tier ten tanks to tier eleven. All strong tier nine tanks go to tier ten and all weak tier ten tanks remain there. Rinse and repeat until you are down to tier one. This will put less tanks in one tier and allows for changing the balance composition entirely without actually changing any tank

The simple way would be actually nerfing premiums. Ez.

Just a few thoughts, I myself don’t know the solution. If I did I’d start a company and be rich by now

[rare sleet]

nerf premiums would be great but thats never happening, so buffing everything else is also not viable. Cuz i bet after all dis balancing wargaming will come out with a new shiny tier 8 premium for $500 thats better than any tank around

[lean gate]

Why not let any premium and collector's face higher tier
Premium tank T6 face T7 tech tree
T7 face T8 tech tree
T9 face 10 tech tree
Maybe this way will not see so much raging?

[versed tide]

maybe op prems have anti preferential as i already mentioned

[remote oriole]

That’s another way to go about it, but I fear that without them being higher tier in battle WG might just make them effectively as strong as the next higher tier and effectively reverse the anti-preferential matchmaking, while if they have +/-1 there is at least more of an inhibition to make tanks that completely roll over the lower tier.

To put it in simpler terms, I think that if you give a tier eight premium +1/0 MM WG will make it as strong as a tier nine tank because they don’t have to worry about tier seven tanks being completely stomped by it and players hating them for that. This way you get effectively a tier nine tank at tier eight that has -1/0 MM but also counts as a tier eight tank while not upsetting the balance too much.

But other than that it could really work, like I said, premium-powercreep could really be a risk here

[rare sleet]

If its a targeted detrimental matchmaking that would technically be nerfing the specific op premium. And if it was an nerf to the whole class of premiums that would screw over all the non op ones

[drowsy plaza]

The biggest issue is WG reluctance to explain why some over performing premiums need to get nerf’s for the long term health of the game.

[nimble zodiac]

Trying out pref/anti matchmaking would throw all the tank into sub-tiers, which is very... ouch...

[drowsy plaza]

Not to mention some premiums are already having issues. —> Panther M10 poster child of the left behind

[leaden flare]

I'd rather say 44 100 is a prime example it has basically no use over the tech tree but yeah M1 is similar worse Armor gun etc

I can agree that you gain way to much credits most of the time
T10 also isn't a tier you should make credits all the time in its so to say the luxury tier and that you'll have to pay for mistakes as an incentive to actually go down on tiers to learn even if it's forced upon you in some way

Or rebalance the way rewards are distributed in game so that u loose more when performing bad and gain more for beeing good which in some cases will cause players to have some earning problems in high tier t8-10

Also to the point a lot of events where you can throw around credits ?
I only know 2 events in 5 years that actually allowed you to spend unlimited amounts of credits the recent one and the one where you were able to get these gimmicky things like the ms1 trophy for your inventory or the aluminium foil helmet that are tradable for free exp

I for a fact know f2p players that have up to 300mio credits lying around with no chance of using them
Blitz for a fact gives you as a free to play very easy chances for premium tanks from events and you get prem ACC fairly easy to farm credits + the boosters

[dreamy oar]

I feel like trying to change premiums is an uphill battle bc wg has dug themselves a hole in that one. I can’t see anyway to balance expect for actually trying to balance by nerfs or buffs.

Credits, I think the credit coefficient should stay the same but what should change is the repair cost and standard ammunition cost. Bc I know as u go up, the price of standard standard ammunition goes and it up to 13k spend on ammunition(I typically don’t use prammo as much) and then the cost can up to 23k. I think if we just change the repair cost to the health of tanks it would be fine and the cost of standard ammunition to its pen would make it so that you still the same and the price of playing those tanks won’t be so high. The price of consumables and provision should stay the same. There’s no need to change their prices

[quasi axle]

If you did pen = credit then prammo would be super cheap which I don't think wg wants

Oh misread that oops

[dreamy oar]

I said for standard ammo not pranmo

[karmic portal]

Wouldn’t preferential mm for balancedish premiums be good way to solve the problem

[nimble zodiac]

No

[zinc delta]

this is from 3 years ago and still relevant imo
when WG will take a look at STA-1? its totally underperforming and need some balancing

[full token]

Has a pretty good gun

[karmic portal]

Why not tho, it would give people something worth spending their money as it would be an advantage and at the same time it wouldn’t introduce any broken tanks. Basically good players would just have it easier to get a high winrate and bad players would still be bad. This way you don’t have bad players being good and good players being great as with op tanks. Like if is6 was a crate tank/expensive gold tank that never saw tier 9 I don’t think it would be broken and wg could make decent money

[gritty crescent]

sta-1 is op

[zinc delta]

maybe, but still a speed buff wouldnt hurt

[indigo knot]

If all tier 10s got Super speed boost, Reactive armour,Reticle Cali and auto loader adrenaline(4005 consumable) then what will be meta

[remote oriole]

Literally making bad players gain less credits and keeping it the same for good players will solve nothing at all.
Credit earning is already tied to performance anyways so worsening this by making it only more performance dependent is in my opinion just bringing unnecessary hardship to bad players for nobody's benefit (except for those who think that bad players shouldn't play a game because something I refuse to even understand because I find it so detestable).
I don't even care how much bad players earn because I'm not one of them [evidence needed], but I care how you are trying to sell something that only affects bad players as a solution for a general problem, or rather a problem that is predominant among good players, not bad players.

Also, I'm not saying that paying players have an easy time making credits, I'm saying that veteran players have an easy time making credits because they are less in the grinding phase where you regularly need large sums of credits to pay for new tanks and their equipment.
It's important to notice that this game does not only consist of good players who play regularly enough (and good enough) to grind premiums in events, in fact they are the minority. It's a bit surreal that I feel the need to give the majority of players more representation here because they are oftentimes ignored and neglected.

Credit wasting events are relatively new with the first proper one being the Warrior's Path event in 2019 (Lunar new Year) where you could bankrupt yourself on Lunar Containers. Since then we had one credit wasting event annually. However, those currency wasting events aren't limited to credits, they also include free xp (with the first Blitz Fair being the very first currency wasting event) and boosters

[leaden flare]

yeah but we didnt talk about free exp wasting events you said there were numerous events to waste credits on in fact it was 3 in quite a few games of this game existing thats close to none imo
there also were a good chunk of events for low tier prems you even get one for like logging in 6 days or something (the T6E1)

There are a lot of T6 events where you dont have to play much to get the tank or even a t8 like the m6 exp event which tbh was special and i havent seen any event like that in quite a while

I said bad player should earn less so they dont run around as much on T10 like headless chickens
I started around 53% Wr in the first 1k battles or smth without reroll MM beeing a thing and i havent had much credits problems at all and i had prems and everything before spending the first money on this game there are also tournaments where you can get like 600-800k fairly easy

[toxic cove]

just bring old premium ammo ezz reduction of credits

[remote oriole]

Well, there were three proper credit wasting events, but if you include things like the pink camo offer or the ability to convert elite xp to crew xp with credits or the daily Common Containers (which were part of other major events) or other in-game shop offers for credits you would get a much higher number of limited time or limited availability possibilities to throw credits away for things that aren't necessarily needed.

Not that it matters because those are merely semantics and don't alter my argument. One event annually is more than enough.

I didn't say that getting a premium is hard for anyone, though it is certainly harder if you don't have the time. What I'm saying is that not everyone is swimming in masses of credits and that for a not inconsiderable amount of people grinding credits is still a thing.
Let me be clear here: The credit economy is only broken if you regularly drive premiums and also run a premium account; if you don't the economy is perfectly fine.

There is no use in 'fixing' something that isn't broken. Look at the problem at hand and try to solve that instead of changing things that mainly hurt others but don't actually tackle the root of the problem.

And about bad players not running around at tier ten. Just let them play there. They have as much a right to enjoy playing tier ten as you do. I don't know why you even want to abuse a correction of the credit economy for a manipulation of the player base in higher tiers

[leaden flare]

I will repeat myself
To give them a reason to learn the game since nobody wants to grind 24/7 for credits just because they can't even do half Thier hp in DMG at T10 or even below
I'm sick of 50% and below people with 800 overall AVG no clue how to even pen a heavy tank or any clue about positioning running around at T10 ruining the game for everyone in Thier team because

1. They turn off chat
2. Have no situational awareness
3. have no clue how Armor works
4. Don't use prammo
5. Don't use equipment

You can't even tell them where to shoot because they wouldn't see it or just ignore it they just refuse to do anything useful and that should be punishable

[gritty crescent]

why should playing the game their way be punishable

[leaden flare]

Why is beeing an antimate not good for a "teamgame"
ask yourself that question

[drowsy plaza]

My original reason for changing the credit economy wasn’t necessarily designed to punish bad players - it was a thought at a way so WG could go back to making premium tanks like we used to have in 2014-16. Where they made extra credits but didn’t necessarily inflate your WR. You could then nerf several over performing premiums - BUT increase their credit coefficients.

For the long term health of the game and new player retention- having OP premiums is bad

[remote oriole]

I agree that something needs to be done about the masses of and the powercreep that is especially driven by premium tanks.

Sooner or later, Blitz will have to reinvent itself if it doesn’t want to slowly drown in powercreep and p2w. That day hasn’t come but if WG acts now they can avoid the need for more drastic changes later.

Revamping the credit economy to push Blitz back to p2p (pay to progress) is a nice idea, but it might not be economical if too many of the paying players already progress through most of the game. If their main motivation is not progress but stats WG runs into problems with selling their tanks that are entirely designed to benefit progress, not in-game performance. Since my experience with other players gives me reason to believe that that’s the case I think that making progress harder in order to make p2p tanks more desirable will only hurt new and f2p players without solving the issue of op premiums, because in order to make money WG must serve the primary desires of their community.

I think the game is at an incredibly difficult point where WG has two main possibilities:

1. Making the game long term sustainable but less profitable and relatively stale in development
2. Keeping the game highly profitable but eventually ruining it

[drowsy plaza]

I think we are down the road on #2 at this point at least in the middle tiers. So far 9-10 haven’t seen any really outrageous premiums. I think the key to premiums is they need to be unique. Not OP but different from tech tree tanks at this point - and different beyond just credits. Either unique crew voices and realistic camouflage, or some game play aspects. #1 isn’t a possibility as stale development means lower player retention.

[sleek cobalt]

Lux don’t essay the poor people

[sudden path]

I think as long as tier 10 is uncontaminated with op prems then the prem problem is under control bc there are tiers where you dont have to pay for an advantage

[minor minnow]

A good example of a good premium Idea would be the Defenders, a poor example (in my opinion) would be the T-44-100. The TT T-44 is more or less better imho, then Mod 1 (which I classify as a T-44 simply off of armor profile and for the sake of simplicity) is also a good example of a worthy premium, with a very different playstyle to your TT variation without anything over the top

[full token]

Maybe they should just avoid adding premiums that are that similar to tech tree tanks, or try and give them some difference in stats like how they do the BP tanks, where they add a bit and then take away a bit. Rn those either are flat out better like the Action X and Cent 5/1 or they are worse

[vagrant wadi]

Are you complaining about not getting an ace? Very few people have the defender, the bar is probably quite high, and damage alone is not gonna give you an ace, spotting and assists and other stats add. Not to mention a 3k damage game will almost never be an ace for a decent tier 8 tank.

[real bison]

maybe if you played a tank with actual carry ability you wouldn’t lose as much

[full token]

Part of that is you. If you keep trying to win when you have a loss streak, you play worse and then that bad run keeps going on. Take a break when you’re having a lot of losses or if you get frustrated

[scarlet fjord]

8.0 should be the patch where WG starts reforming stuff
like E5 and IS-4 nerf for example :D

[somber stirrup]

Matilda kinda sucks

[nimble zodiac]

It really doesn’t.

[quasi axle]

If they don't announce any balance changes beforehand there are none

[versed tide]

This channel is not for complaining about matchmaking. seems this rule has been ignored again

[gleaming apex]

Alufolie3000_YT#0531 was muted

[drowsy plaza]

@low spindle 1) 180 aced tanks is nothing 2) aces aren’t necessarily about skill and more about 1 of the 14 players in a match not wearing the clown shoes that the other 13 are. I have 462 of 464 played tanks aced, if you’re having issues in the AMX Defender it’s a you issue.

[acoustic magnet]

English only :v

[gleaming apex]

WORLD OF MONKEYS#1867 was banned

[minor minnow]

Oop

[unique scaffold]

No joke but pls remove annihilator or make his armor weaker!!!!

[signal roost]

Make smasher have 8 round clip

[signal roost]

Matilda is one of the stronkest t4s, if you can’t play it you have no business running heavies.

[half ember]

Umm sir

[twin egret]

what are those two remaining 2 tanks remaining needed to ace?

[rustic hemlock]

Just play in a t29 or black prince. There more broken than smasher and annihilator

[fallow eagle]

Buff t44

[fleet jetty]

Buff t32

[nimble zodiac]

It’s getting a substantial frontal armor buff in 8.0

[full token]

Getting buff to penetration next update

[fallow eagle]

Nice

[mental pasture]

Which is absolutely not necessary tho

[mental pasture]

(Writing once again because my cellphone ran out of energy)

I played the T32 in it's "original form" and it was a simple heavium which becomes an actual heavy in hull down positions. The gun was (and still) good, only lacking of penetration. It was a nearly enjoyable experience, unfortunately in that age I didn't know how to explore the hull down positions at their max, so I couldn't enjoy it more.

Then T32 got an HP buff, which was... interesting even if not much people asked for. You are a bit more resistant to your mistake, it becomes easier to play this vehicle and not more buffs are necessary.

Nevermind, WG added reactive armor, sandbags and octane fuel. Nice, War Gaming destroyed the hull down heavy by making it too noob-proof. And then, they want to even buff the frontal armor, what's next? Are they going to buff the penetration and engine HP?

Idk, but looks that WG is focusing in making noob-proof vehicles instead of actually making decent in-game tutorials, those youtube videos are decent and all, but can you guys teach hulldown in the first tutorials? So no more newbies will ask to buff even more hull down heavies

[dark pike]

t32 is going to return to monke

[vital basalt]

well,5mm more penetration doesn't gonna change a single thing,wg is buffing it just so they can say "hey we buffed t44"

[full token]

what do you want? A big buff to make it op?

[vital basalt]

no, I didn't say that. I just said that 5mm is not gonna affect anything gameplay wise,if they really wanted to buff it, they could make its penetration 190mm and even with 190mm, it should be just a normal tank, not op or anything

[unique scaffold]

T44 is already a good med. good turrret Armor, and a descent hull Armor which is hard to pen at some angles. Mobility is ok. And we know that Russian meds lack the good pen. So it's a good enough tank imo

[vital basalt]

i wouldn't say its turret is good lmao

[full token]

Better smaller buffs than turning tanks OP

[unique scaffold]

auto loaders kill game balance and nothing buff of tech tree tanks no help ! wg want this for name of money ! so be it

[pseudo hedge]

they are buffing the T28 and T44 and countless other tech tree tanks while RARELY ever buffing premiums.
and if you really think autoloaders destroy the game your just a bad player.

[unique scaffold]

I'm pretty jew to this game and you know played a bit around, tested a few tanks before specialising on one tank "group" (idk 8f you can say this but in terms of armor, shape, accuracy, angling etc. Each nation has it's own unique tanks). Anyways I am currently playing the German pz IV G mostly because of the strong side Hull but lately i am countless times killed by apcr shells that pen trough my wheels

Strong???

[elfin marlin]

you are right, bad players should not play in tier 9-10. those tiers should be a goal to achieve to play there for skilled players. even a 47%wr player can be very skilled but he has bad luck with his teams or he started developing his self to be a better player after 8k battles. About the credits, i think the system about it is fine as it is. The real problem, imo is, that you can easily grind XP to buy a new tank and that very bad players or low tier players can buy, win or in crates get high tier collectables/premium tanks. Since update 5.5 there are more bad players in high tiers now. Perhaps the solution is: 1) if you buy a tier 8 premium tank but your re-searchable tanks are below tier 8 you cannot play it in regular and rating mode untill you have actually researched tier 8. 2) to buy a next tier tank you must get at least a first class in the current tier you drive. This slows down bad players rushing up the tier. For them there are plenty of tanks they can play, just in other branches.

[unique scaffold]

Or make a overall xp levels system. You have to have earned enough total XP to research tanks of intervals 4-8-10. Basically just tells their experience with the game. It's like personal access but with more uses

[elfin marlin]

some one said that bad players have the right to play tier 10 also. I think not because this is a TEAMPLAY game and to play in tier 9-10 you must have earned to play there. It would be the same if you say: a bad football players has the right to play in the TOP-teams of the Championsleague

[leaden flare]

Nah it should be accessible by everyone I don't want any tierlocking in terms of stats that's too much only thing I want is for them to try and learn smth or pay the price in having to play somewhere else to earn the credits needed to play there

[remote oriole]

Your analogy is wrong. This isn’t a league system, but a tier system and it is independent of player skill. Your analogy would work in ratings where a bad player shouldn’t be in the Diamond League, but it’s just plainly misleading for the tier system of the tech tree.

A more appropriate analogy would be:
We should only allow good players to play as a striker in our football team that doesn’t play in any competition.
(Why out of competition? Because it doesn’t matter if the team wins or loses; it doesn’t affect anything other than personal stats and the tram most likely will never be together like that in any way or form. This is not a team competition, this is a personal competition)

Technically you even say that no bad player may play in your football team at all, so it’s even worse than my analogy.

TL;DR: You mask an open personal competition as a team competition and try to argue on that basis that people should be locked from participating in that competition based on skill level.

[minor minnow]

I’ll assume you got clipped out by one or two. That’s your own fault. Autoloaders are good but due to most having fairly long reloads and mediocre armor they have a relatively high skill cap.

[uneven narwhal]

Autoloaders can't kill game balance if the game was never balanced

[gritty crescent]

what isnt balance breaking to you

[unique scaffold]

Pls but pls buff the persing tank the gun is sooooo bad and the armor is so weak !!!!!rage

[drowsy plaza]

Bad players fill the queues and make it possible for 60%+ players to exist.

[winged barn]

Am I a good player?
Nope, I'm just better than all the noobs

[drowsy plaza]

Keep in mind those who rage against bad players - who defines a bad player? I’m a bad player compared to folks who are 70%+ in tier X with 3.5k+ avg dmg.

@unique scaffold Pershing is getting a buff in 8.0

[unique scaffold]

@drowsy plaza what is getting a buff on the tank?

[vital basalt]

100dpm and cheeks 76mm --->86mm

[unique scaffold]

Where can I see the hole update?

[vital basalt]

https://blitzhangar.com/en/update/8-0-preview

[unique scaffold]

m26 will finally be "meh". Even after the buff, it will remain one of the tier 8's most useless medium tanks.

[drowsy plaza]

Honestly all of the tech tree tier 8 meds are pretty meh, but the Pershing isn’t nearly the worst.

[fallow eagle]

Yea t9 meds are pretty fun tho

[vagrant wadi]

The M26 isnt horrendous, its pretty much on par with all the other mediocre 225 alpha meds. I'd say the Cent 1 is the worst tier 8 med. I really dont get why they're buffing the mantlet, its the turret roof that sucks, and the DPM

[drowsy plaza]

Cent I needs a mobility increase. Many tier 8 and 9 heavies are faster than it or just as fast. It also needs either a turret buff so the eyebrow isn’t easily smashed or a DPM improvement.

[fallow raptor]

Centurion 7/1 needs a turret/hull/mobility buff too

[unique scaffold]

I really don't think the 7/1 needs a buff. But if it got one I certainly wouldn't complain.

[distant river]

Give it "standard" 90mm alpha now (225/190/270) and then also give it a forehead and cheek buff and it'll be a nice tank

Preferably do this as well as giving 90mm single shot meds 240/200/300 and nerfing the tanks that are good rn to compensate.

I guess the 7/1 could do with a turret buff like the cent 1 but nothing major

[drowsy plaza]

Cent 7/1 I’d argue doesn’t need the eyebrow/turret roof buff. You don’t want the HESH gun sitting smashing everything by being able to sit hulldown and aim in.

But I’d support a 5 forward speed bump for it and the Cent I

[turbid smelt]

frontline with your rear

then enemies won't hit your ammo rack

ez tactics

[last shadow]

Big brain move right here

[rustic hemlock]

Its not like the enemy has a guaranteed chance of damaging it. 183 has a 10% of damaging it. Jagdpanzer e 100 has a 5% of damaging it

[quasi axle]

Isn't ammorack damage 33% no matter what tank it is

[turbid smelt]

0.27 not 0.33

[gleaming apex]

Rao#7897 has been warned.

[quasi axle]

oh thought it was 33 ok

[gleaming apex]

milanmrlian#1465 has been warned.

[crystal halo]

The module grind for older tanks is much worse than the grind for new tanks

[quasi axle]

true

[drowsy plaza]

The WZ-120 disagrees

[nimble zodiac]

They don’t count WZ-120 as new I believe

[drowsy plaza]

Meh. I consider everything since 2017 new 😉

[nimble zodiac]

You'd call a 2017 car new? :p

[sacred ridge]

just buff the emil pls

[quasi axle]

Emil 2 or Emil 1

[stray verge]

2 is greater tha 1, what do you think?

[rare sleet]

They should buff the Obj140 top speed from 55kmph to 56kmph with maybe a slightly better power to weight ratio.

[nimble zodiac]

It doesn't deserve to be that fast™

[mental pasture]

I've seen a lot of useless buffs from War Gaming, but even buffing 50 hp in FV215b is more useful than adding 1km/h to 140's max speed

Buffing power ratio? Understandable, thats actually interesting and combines with 140's gameplay

[lavish willow]

Refined Gun balance buff suggestion(I don't use refined gun but I feel sorry for it that vertical stabilizer is a low risk high reward(+5% than refined gun equipment compared to refined gun(-10% dispersion only when not moving at all))): -30% to dispersion at 100m and +30% Aiming time. High risk but double the reward!

[gritty crescent]

nice ping bro

[uneven narwhal]

Refined Gun is decent
I used RG until very recently when I finally started to use VStabs and had no problem with it

[dark pike]

insane buff

[lavish willow]

Anything that gives you an advantage in combat no matter the amount is always decent.
@dark pike If you imagine it, -30% to dispersion at 100m, the minimum size of the aiming circle, doesn't seem huge. I just want players to really think if they should use Refined Gun, even on light tanks.

[remote oriole]

The minimum dispersion also influences your dispersion when driving. Aim time on the other hand determines the speed at which an aiming circle shrinks. So if you decrease the dispersion by 30% and increase the aim time by 30% as well you effectively have a smaller aim circle at all times but it takes longer to reach the minimum size

[lavish willow]

It theoretically wouldn't affect the original values, just a "hey, if you become more patient than normally you would if you hadn't equip me, I'll reward you with more accuracy!"

[thick raft]

T32's T5E1 gun needs at least 25mm more penetration rate on AP and APCR shells, it's like a medium tank with bad speed and more armour right now, just checked, even T69 has nearly the same penetration on HEAT and even Russian guns has better penetration, either give it a tier 9 gun to research or give it more penetration because it sucks right now

[remote oriole]

Yes, but you constantly have better accuracy, both while driving and while standing still

[sharp saddle]

T32 was already fine how it was. Now they are buffing the upper plate, which wasn’t really needed in my opinion. You significantly buff the penetration, and what weaknesses will hold the T32 back now?

[sharp laurel]

I mean what weaknesses hold back the IS-4 and the E5?

[minor minnow]

Generic American side armor, gun handling, I that’d be it, realistically speaking

[distant river]

"What weaknesses hold back the best tanks at tier 10 rn?"

What a smart thing to say

The T32 was a meh tank. Then it got consumables. Then it got hp. It is now a brilliant tank. Now it's getting a pretty damn big armour buff and people are still crying because they can't play it right. The tank has been almost totally noob proofed so anyone can do well in it and people still want to remove the last remaining balancing factor. 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[leaden flare]

I feel like most people won't use consumables and provisions

I didn't like playing t32 not because it was bad, in fact it's my best tank in terms of wr with 83% after 101 battles, but because it's gameplay is just so simple and you basically don't have to do anything but hulldown or absorb DMG with your insane amount of hp

The tank is more then fine the gun sucks yeah now what learn to aim

[minor minnow]

I skipped the tank on my way to the E5. After the armor buffs o further idiotproof it, an idiot like myself is gonna revisit it. So I’ll enjoy seeing just how good this tank is, I have high hopes

[sudden path]

That was so the conq and 215b didnt have the same hitpoints lmao

[scarlet fjord]

guys what do you think about T44

[gritty crescent]

Kinda not good

[fallow eagle]

Pretty meh buff to t44 ngl
It should have like 190-200mm pen for current tanks

[mental pasture]

@leaden flare I tend to disagree, T32 isn't bad, it's a decent heavy and meta when played smartly. Imagine doing frontline in a hull down position? You are virtually impenetrable and almost immortal.

The gun is actually good. It got a decent calliber, a consistent DPM (fun fact, T32 in normal conditions have a slightly better DPM than T34, and only 46 DPM less than Löwe) and the best depression among T8 heavies, there's also the "second best view range among heavies" factor, it's base view range is literraly the same of AMX 13 90.

It's a decent tank to say the least, which is already noob proof since the "heavy update", but also got the OP consumables (trust me, people actually use it a lot) and sandbags. It'll even get a hull armor buff, so the american heavy line will be, by far, the most noob friendly line of the game.

That's why T32 will get another unnecessary buff, because of players that are unable to explore T32's potential and think "lol heavy with no hull armor. Bad. Buff."

[winged barn]

Another thing to consider when talking about the t32 gun compared to other heavies:

The t32 has an armor profile that allows it to sit and aim, as well as fully utilizing the dpm that it does have. Compare this to a tiger 2 that is going to get heavily punished for aiming with that weak turret it has.

With the t32, you just poke, not caring about what tank is on the other end and if they are loaded or not. With almost any other heavy shark if you even want to try this, you will get deleted

[distant river]

The T32s hull is still actually not that bad rn it's the gun that makes everyone cry about how "bad" it is because the gun isn't outstanding 🤷‍♀️

[drowsy plaza]

I think a better T32 (if any) buff would have been to the dispersion.

The problem as I see it they gave the T29 a big hull armor buff several updates ago and folks try to run the 32 the same way.

[mental pasture]

In one image, you see the T32 in it's best form against a TD with a fair penetration (if you think that ISU-152 is a fair tank to compare armor, we'll have some problems here). As you see, the only weakspot is even smaller than your gun calliber, not even the best sniper in a grille will hit this easily.

In other image, you see a T32 in it's natural position. Let's imagine that there's a thick building blocking the hull, then all you need to do is move, dance and raise your gun. You'll be virtually impenetrable once again.

"NOOOOO! I don't want to play hull down heavies properly! Buff the upperplate, pls!!!!!"

[winged barn]

I would just like to take a moment to point out that this tank is getting slapped with a massive buff

[warm burrow]

🤌

[mental pasture]

I'll also criticise another buff, let's talk about T28. It didn't exactly need an armor buff, it needs a complete remodeling. WOT version is simply a tier 8 T95.

But ok, resolving this problem with "more silver tape" also works.

[winged barn]

PC is not where to look when it comes to armor and penetration balancing. They have their own mess of problems with full prammo spam.

What you are asking for when you say you want it remodeled is an armor buff. Remodeling it with the same armor numbers it currently has continues to make it useless.

[twin egret]

smart players

[mental pasture]

Well, that's the new T28 which will work on the same way as the WOT T28. In the images it got a decent armor, but it's against HEAT, with the actual normalization angles we'll reach the same results as the tier 8 T95.

Only an armor buff wasn't exactly what T28 needed, but ok, more silver tape also works as I said earlier.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/842977861241012245/846753498627440660/unknown.png?width=730&height=410
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/842977861241012245/846753369803456543/unknown.png?width=730&height=410

[leaden flare]

i have never said that T32 is anywhere near bad the gun imo just doesnt behave very well thats all and i couldnt care less i just take a sec longer to aim my shot and everythings fine

i said that T32 is a good tank its just boring as hell to play

[mental pasture]

@leaden flare But you literraly said that the T32 was bad and the gun sucks '-'
"I didn't like playing t32 not because it was bad..."
"The tank is more then fine the gun sucks yeah now what learn to aim"

It's ok, I guess you just used the wrong words to tell another thing.

I see. Sorry for bothering you.

[leaden flare]

i said "not because it was bad but because its boring to play" which means its good and just boring to play
the gun isnt the best thats why i said learn to aim to get along with the rather low pen

[mental pasture]

In an overall, 8.0 looks pog. We've got more noob friendly tanks (which isn't exactly good, but hey, at least fools will struggle to make 0 damage), a new interesting line, graphical updates, Churchill Game Carrier will get more armor and minor (almost useless) buffs to tanks that actually needed.

Just noticed that I always wrote the "overall" word wrongly.

[scarlet fjord]

i dont get it T32 did not need hull armor buff they keep buffing the upper plate thats so pointless lol
its not even what makes the tank "bad" to noob players

[full token]

Hopefully it’s one of those changes from the Open test that they decide against, like that JgPzIV buff we had seen in an open test once

[winged barn]

I'm just waiting to see what they think the t32 needs buffing on after they buff the hull armor. Dpm or pen?
Bets anyone?

[full token]

Mobility. Not fast enough with consumable

[turbid smelt]

pssst
give it another shell atgms

[mental pasture]

My bet is simple and solid: turret armor.

[drowsy plaza]

The answer is simple a 120mm Three shot Annihilator type cannon.

It won’t affect game play at all. Just like the Annihilator

🤪

Then you sell a T32 Devastator Legendary Camo

Honestly I’m still shocked the T32 is getting a buff.

It legitimately is the epitome of balance currently in WG’s charts

[quasi axle]

If it ain't noobproof it ain't balanced! (/s)

Slowmode moment

[winged barn]

At least they finally decided the t28 was trash enough to deserve a buff. The t32 is in the same need of a buff as the t28 apparently.

/sssssss

Training wheels? In tier 8?
What about the ones in tier 10?
Maus and is4 are prime examples.

[drowsy plaza]

The problem with that @quasi axle is the Leo 1 will get IS-4 armor

[turbid smelt]

hehe boi
med meta incoming

[drowsy plaza]

I don’t think tier 8 is a good place to be adding training wheels

It will continue to creep up.

[unique scaffold]

they already did add training wheels

[drowsy plaza]

Fair point

But it’s getting worse.

And IMHO wrong attributes keep getting buffed.

[quasi axle]

Oop

[leaden flare]

cant get opponents ?
thats new to me usually we found some even if we started at wierd times

Buff E6 ammorack pls im getting ammo dmg no matter what type of gun hits somewhere in my front or side doesnt matter

[robust vine]

your MM needs to be reworked wg staff stop slacking

[craggy kayak]

T28 Prototipe need a buff hp points

[gleaming apex]

Trutek18#4492 was muted

[bronze osprey]

ooop well thats that

[unique scaffold]

@robust vine
A. Mm is fine
B. This is not the channel to discuss matchmaking

[drowsy plaza]

You’d think there was a pinned message or something

😂

[full token]

Maybe rename it to tank balance discussion so people don’t think it also covers team balance

[nimble zodiac]

Obj. 907: 140 but with speed and a gun downgrade 👀

[slim trellis]

Kpf 70 needs a dispersion buff badly. Not that much more, maybe down to .340 or .342 from .344. I know its the same dispersion as the waffle, but there’s no way thats true, the kpf accuracy is 1000 times worse

[zealous vessel]

The Is8 has a horrible aiming time, I aim in for 4 sec and I miss my shot due to the accuracy, I think the is3 is a way better variant.

[nimble zodiac]

@zealous vessel it's called bad RNG.

Also nice Kurzgesagt pic :p

[sacred ridge]

buff the St. Emil

[zealous vessel]

Thanks @nimble zodiac I watch his videos every day. So maybe I am impatient with the is8?

[nimble zodiac]

I don't want to blame but it could be somewhat player fault, RNG also is wack sometimes, so patience is needed

[jagged crescent]

the is8 has a really good gun for it's tier. Might just gotta be a bit more patient

[gilded field]

Why am I still a 3 star with only 3 complaints compared to 37 praises...? @quasi axle then it's 10 praises with no complaints.. so why?

[quasi axle]

Because you turned on all time stats the stars only look at past 30 days

[gilded field]

Then it's 10 praises with no complaints... So why 3 stars?

[stray verge]

The star rating is based on prasies and complaints on the last 30 days, not for all time

[quasi axle]

They just turned it to 30 days
If it's still 3 stars I'm guessing you just need more to go up

[drowsy plaza]

@gilded field perhaps a better place to ask is #general-blitz-discussion because your (or anyone else’s) MH is meaningless to balance (or anything anyway)

[jaunty relic]

I think the STA-1 needs a buff cause the gun isn't the greatest, it has no armor, and the hatch on top really sucks hard.

[gritty crescent]

jUsT gEt GoOd

[jagged crescent]

For a t10 is8, the 260 is pretty unimpressive

[gritty crescent]

nearly as unimpressive as the legendary camo it got

[nimble zodiac]

At least it's balanced

[real bison]

it’s one of the most accurate MTs at tier 8

[earnest jetty]

lol

[oak jetty]

Buff tog i think

[winged barn]

Why would you ever play a sta when this exists.

prog46 laughs in the distance

[full token]

What is this, why does a tank have decimals on the pen values

[sweet prism]

lower tier japanese meds wouldn't be half as bad if they had good mobility
is that an offensive word?@unique scaffold

[unique scaffold]

@sweet prism Japanese. Five more letters won't kill you.

[winged barn]

What.

Lmao, sta is my new favorite tank.
Basically pen of 218.7

[autumn zodiac]

@sweet prism it was used as a racial slur by Americans in WW2, so yes.

[distant river]

At least it's a nice whole number of inches /s

[sweet prism]

ok thanks I will keep it in mind

[stray verge]

I do hate the 260s heat but the tank is probably one of the most fun heavies. I think it is perfectly fine though a minor buff would not hurt

[quick lichen]

It needs an upper plate that’s more functional than card board it has now

[oak jetty]

I think tog || need a buff

[tribal osprey]

They buffed it’s armor and speed not too long ago

[sharp saddle]

It was probably a joke, but any further buffs to it would make it too strong

[unique scaffold]

Tog has the ridiculously high hit points ( 1643 if I'm not mistaken).
Along with those HPs, it has a really good gun. Armor is actually tough to pen for the tier 5s and some tier 6 tanks also...it's a maus but with good gun for the sacrifice of strong Armor. Still it can bounce some shots if You know how to use it.

[distant river]

The tog doesn't have any meaningful hp advantage, it's gun isn't that special...

[fallow raptor]

Tog needs 1900 hp

[signal roost]

Tog is pog, it is kinda rlly meta in tourneys where arl don’t fit

[turbid smelt]

arl poopoopoo

[sharp saddle]

Tog HP pool isn’t much of an advantage these days

[rare sleet]

Yeah it clearly needs like 1800 hitpoints

[barren umbra]

grille needs better camo

[unique scaffold]

Cent 7/1 should go faster, change my mind (the dude below me can't pen a sheridan)

this man is bad dont listen to him, he bounced 4 shots on a tortoise in a kranvagn

[unique scaffold]

7/1 really feels fine as is. I wouldn't mind more speed but I really don't think it NEEDS more speed.

[jolly fiber]

please for the love of god remove emils XD

[prisma jetty]

Nej, Emils are nice

[minor minnow]

Why remove them?

[unique scaffold]

Cent 7/1 is fine but Cent 1 definitely needs a Speed and dpm buff. Wouldn't mind if Cent 7/1 here a speed buff to

[vital basalt]

how is 7/1 is fine but Cent 1 is bad tho,7/1 is literally Cent 1 at tier 9 with 105mm gun and just better acceleration

[unique scaffold]

Except it actually has HESH and can bounce things surprisingly and isn’t a push over

[coarse harness]

Well the 7/1 is slow as hell, has a huge paper hull, HEATable turret roof and the worst med DPM with standard shells
Sure it has HESH which is nice but I don't think it's enough to make up for things above
You can't use HESH all the time and if you hit a track or something you lose your DPM advantage over other meds

[vital basalt]

also you dont have high pen premium round,so if you meet a lets say hulldown T62A or 121 etc. you cant do anything other than spam hesh and do like 50/100 damage

[quasi axle]

even with a premium round you wouldnt be able to go through most likely

[full token]

you dont bother with the t62a then. Find another target or wait till they realise theyre not hitting you from their hulldown spot

[vital basalt]

well true,except it doesnt really have that mobility to relocate that quickly

[zealous vessel]

#FreeTheT25Pilot1

[minor minnow]

#no

[unique scaffold]

object 260 is beyond the worst tier 10 ever (not judging the badger which is doomed to be afk) scam 260. good gun is also a myth its 6 degrees depression not big alpha

[tepid latch]

Skill issue

[mental pasture]

Badger isn't that bad, c'mon, just hull down' it!

Yes

I can't lie, I like the 260 as it is (didn't buy it), It's much better to have an average premium as enemy than the new Anni of tier 10.

[unique scaffold]

badger is an afk medium with good armour, thats about it. although its good to have slow tanks but just a bit unlucky how it was put together. if someone thinks 260 is good then theyre in a very weak server, bad compared to any other tank in its position

[nimble zodiac]

What's its position then? Hm?

[minor minnow]

Imho an E3 that traded alpha and armor for depression and DPM. So a second line Heavy would be my best guess on an effective position

[nimble zodiac]

It can be more of a medium hunter, it doesn't need that armor if if out-trades the low-HP mediums and lights, and it has mobility to try it out

Also 183 exists so it's definitely not the worst tier 10

[fallow eagle]

Buff t95 gun depression

[twin egret]

no, no buff for u

[indigo meadow]

Imagine the t95 with -15, you think youre safe behind some hill and the t95 points its gun inhumanly low just to hit you for 640

[fallow eagle]

I mean how bad can 1° more gun depression buff be

[minor minnow]

That is terrifying and I want it now

[unique scaffold]

you kinda have that with the emil tho...

[drowsy plaza]

Obj 260 is a fantastic med killer and still has great pen for heavy cleanup after.

[craggy kayak]

Nerf dpm vickers cr and vickers light

[copper rover]

Buff the Leopard PT A's Gun Depression from 6 Degrees to 8 and reduce elevation to 18
Why need 20 Degrees of elevation for?

Reload from 7.5 to 7 Seconds

also nerf the Emi ll's Side Profile

[quasi axle]

Emil 2s armor is trash as is it doesn't need a nerf

[uneven narwhal]

Emil 2 needs a buff if anything
It has bad armor and a bad gun, along with decent-bad mobility
However I think it's fine as it is

[coral prairie]

Armor buff may make it kinda broken, ngl. Cuz didn’t they previously nerf it’s armor? Or was it just the gun/mobility?

[foggy aurora]

I don’t think the Emil ll was nerfed or nerfed too badly but the Emil ll is fine as is imo since 3/3 of the problems stated can be solved by the special consumables and provisions

Nvm about the not getting nerfed part lol

Sandbags add more hit points which allows for more shots to be taken so and armor is overrated as premium rounds just don’t care

[vital basalt]

yep,just gun
in 7.5

[quasi axle]

How do provisions solve bad armor

[drowsy plaza]

They don’t. The issue with the Emil II, is that unlike the Kran or Emil I, you can’t use Gun depression and get a decent turret out of it - the Emil 2 everyone can pen hulldown either with standard ammo or Prammo. I suspect the Ru server data on the Emil 2 is off compared to NA and EU as there is generally less Prammo fired there in regular battles.

[quasi axle]

^^^
The whole point of the kran line is to have a tank where your turret is nearly impenetrable even with prammo

But the emil 2 has a turret that can be buttered through so easily and doesn't have anything to compensate for it really

@YaprakSarmaciMulayim#7079 320 is nothing literally every t10 tank will be able to go through that, only caveat is that meds/lights would have to use cali

[vital basalt]

true but when you use -9 gd, you still have effective 320mm armor against AP,365mm against Heat, and smth like 350mm against apcr, yes its nothing compared to Kranvagn but both have the same hull armor, same burst damage, heck even emil 2 is faster ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[indigo knot]

I feel Emil 2 is hard to balance....
Like if you buff it much so that it is competitive in tier x then tier 8s will have a quite hard time
Like against any tier 8 1200 burst is too much and in tier 8 games Emil 2 armour works if it made like too good we will see another K91

[winged barn]

It doesn't help that the k91 has the highest dpm on any heavy in tier 9

[twin egret]

But it's russian so that's fine

[distant river]

The Emil 2 is actually no where near as bad as people make it out to be. If you use it's depression the turret holds up against most things apart from tier 9 TD prammo and tier 10 heavy and TD prammo. Other than that is it literally a kran a tier lower. You have to be more thoughtful about positioning but you still have a nasty clip and an autoreloader as well as consumables. You lose 1.5 seconds across the whole clip and prammo pen but you get to face tier 8s.

[sudden path]

Well yes but thinking it's bad helps you think more
Play better
That was my experience with the tank

[drowsy plaza]

Not as bad, but a 64-78mm effective dual cupola that really isn’t that hard to smack when hulldown isn’t exactly stellar in a tier 9 heavy. Beside the gun the armor is 324mm and 271mm directly under it

Is it awful - no. But it’s not nearly as idiot proof as the 8 or 10

[winged barn]

People are rarely going to hit those tiny cupolas unless you sit stationary for a large amount of time...

[drowsy plaza]

The E50 says those cupola are massive 😉

[distant river]

The cupolas are exactly the same as the krans and you can use elevation to hide them. The armour under the gun still needs prammo for anyone except TDs and a couple of top tier heavies, and it's almost exactly bang on med prammo so it'll appear red (iirc hitskins only clear up if there's a high chance of penning aka more than 50%). It's not a hulldown monster like the kran, but it's got everything else the kran has a tier lower so it's pretty nicely balanced to me and not the trash people make it out to be

[twin egret]

Surprisingly you can pen those cupolas with HESH ;3

[normal dune]

IS-5 pls give gun depression

[distant river]

laughs in .408 dispersion

[quasi axle]

Russian heavies don't have gun depression

[minor minnow]

looks at Thunder

[drowsy plaza]

@distant river you don’t sit in the open like 99.99% of folks still playing the Emil 2 though. Most think they are invincible and then they take a 550 hit from a 7/1 HESH catch fire and have dead crew and start ranting.

[twin egret]

It dosn't have to be premium HESH either, I can pen the cupolas with FV215b's 104mm HESH, same with FV4202's cheap HESH

[distant river]

It's still fairly forgiving with its slightly troll hull and clip + autoreloader. If it's played without thought its going to be bad by heavy standards but not by overall standards I'd guess

[tepid latch]

Emil 2 is still op even after nerf how are players rlly gonna complain about it

[untold star]

Where do I find the channel with tanks balance changes?

[drowsy plaza]

https://blitzhangar.com/en/update/8-0-preview

[pseudo hedge]

the fact that an IS 4 can angle and the Kran Gun can't pen (one of the highest pen heavies) is alarming.

like no hill or sidescrape
@MS-1#1707 just experienced it 2 games now.

[nimble zodiac]

I take that as false

Also 258 APCR isn't that good

You should see a Maus

[quasi axle]

If you're running cali you should be fine

[winged barn]

He may have been talking about the 374 heat, but then there are weakspots to shoot at
*except this requires a hill or sidescraping

Lol, maus

[twin egret]

armour overhang is 30mm, easy penetration/overmatch

[distant river]

Better off just laughing and penning the lower side plate hehehe (without HEAT ofc because tracks)

[jagged crescent]

almost nobody aims at the overhang, it's either the driver's hatch or the turret cheeks

[turbid smelt]

time to git gud and give up the monke wei

[jagged crescent]

that sounds like a lot of work

[crystal halo]

KV-2 should get 560 alpha

[nimble zodiac]

At least propose the counter-balances to that :p

[twin egret]

just combine both guns on the KV-5

[twin egret]

okay, what is your native language I am tired of having a hard time to understand you @unique scaffold
Nice deleted message... 🙄
literally the only wayfor me to help you understand is via dms

[nimble zodiac]

Oh no he's typing...

Ah here we go, the final blow

[nimble zodiac]

You don't have to be born in England but okay

It's English for ease of communication, a mix of languages would cause a lot of confusion

[pseudo hedge]

I'm from Germany and my English is good enough to have a American Boyfriend id say you finish second grade before writing here 😉

[uneven narwhal]

Dude the only toxic ppl I know are new comers :/
Everyone in here is pretty chill from what I've seen

[nimble zodiac]

milan is definitely one of the harder people to reason with, as well as a bit into Ad Hominem

But hey Emil I is still cracked amirite?

[gleaming apex]

Rickstars#4855 has been warned.

[modern badger]

How warned

[zealous vessel]

The emil 2 is fine as is, it does not need a buff nor a nerf.

[unique scaffold]

Jgpze100 need better aim time 😩. The rng i have with this tank. Is crazy ! - is4/e5 need to be nerfed - meds need their old penetration numbers back - well atleast the 4202 and leo and e50m needs them. 140 needs so love. Like a better turret

[quasi axle]

Buff something other than the 140s turret then it just becomes a worse 62a

[unique scaffold]

Nah. Just give it some armor on the turret. And watch it shines again

[quasi axle]

depending on the buff it'll either be a better 62a or worse 62a which is pointless

[distant river]

Give it 100 or so more dpm and it'll be more unique and better performing, it'll powercreep the leo a little but the Leo probably needs a small buff anyway to work in this meta

[drowsy plaza]

@unique scaffold You seem to have some massive issues in game, which given your comments here suggest you are missing several key aspects of game mechanics. You are making some statements that are flat out wrong and as a result showing you are seriously devoid of a solid grasp on the game. That is not toxic to point out, we are actually trying to do you a favor.

[unique scaffold]

id say give the leo 390 - 400 alpha and make reload time = 6 secs or little more , this would make it more interesting , u have paper armor but u got higher alpha and higher damage potential than other meds , so unique in its own way

[uneven narwhal]

Can someone explain to me why Refined Gun is worse than Vertical Stabalizers?

RG on the E 50 M gives it 0.245 dispersion compared to the 0.272 it would have with VS. Also, I can barely see any difference is the dispersion factors on movement, traverse, and turret traverse. Only a difference of 0.02, 0.02, and 0.01 respectively

Surely having 0.27 lesser dispersion would be more beneficial than having 0.02 lesser dispersion factors

Same goes for other tanks

[unique scaffold]

it just means u can snap shot more on the move , really u wont notice any difference between .27 and the .24 even .3 id say , whenever u start to move or turn the hull these values matter so lesser dispersion on the move is better

[scarlet fjord]

its not worse
neither option is
if the tank has really bad dispersion factors on the move rotating etc but decent dispersion when fully aimed u need vertical stabs and vice versa
I generally like to experiment even if i know what i need to run right away like the time i ran vertical stabs on IS-8 it felt bad instead of refined gun cuz its dispersion factors are amazing

[drowsy plaza]

@wooden gazelle do you still have your Refined Gun v Vertical Stabilizer charts?

Some tanks benefit way more from RG as opposed to VStab, and vice versa. Also RG is better on a number of tanks - unless you are moving and rotating turret at the same time.

So depending on how you play - some tanks won’t be as clearly defined as other as to what the better choice is.

[thick rover]

WZ 1115A buff?

[lavish slate]

No

[scarlet fjord]

maybe DPM to 2700 with rammer

[twin egret]

either that he did not finish second grade or he's a bit crazy lol

@nimble zodiac Emil I is cracked it seems

[scarlet fjord]

man i couldn't even understand half of that and did he/she just call everyone
racist? 😂
FYI I am from Macedonia

[gleaming apex]

milanmrlian#1465 has been warned.

[teal raptor]

The tier VIII premiums being sold in the shop are a really good way to counter broken tier VII premiums 😅😬🧀

[autumn zodiac]

@worthy iron #screenshots

[full token]

7.9 charts when? I want to see those op premiums in there

[lean gate]

After update 8.0 maybe

[orchid grove]

It’s because gun handling numbers have a larger impact than fully aimed dispersion.

I don’t actually know the exact formula, but those small differences in gun handling make a big difference. For example, the difference between IS-4 and E5’s gun handling is just 0.02

[gritty crescent]

why does posit1ve still want a t22 nerf

[prisma jetty]

Because T-22 is still over powered

[winged barn]

Meh, is4 needs a nerf long before the t22 does

[uneven narwhal]

Oh okay thanks :D

[visual lance]

Is4 and t22 is not oops

[scarlet fjord]

yeah specially because everyone can have an IS-4 for free

[mental pasture]

KpfPz-70 alpha and another buff as counter-nerf? "Sounds not good..." Thus said the 'KV-2 mains' (so it's actually good)

[crystal halo]

Pretty much, honestly a slight pen buff with the alpha nerf would work well

[nimble zodiac]

It should just not be able to one shot other tier 6s

[crystal halo]

It shouldn’t be able to use it’s HE to trade the other heavies in its tier

[scarlet fjord]

it out trades same tier heavies by splashing them with HE
dont even think about comparing lower tier heavies getting splashed

[twin egret]

Just get good? ¯_(ツ)_/¯
getting splashed, etc. should teach you not to be careless and don't go into a position without thinking

[teal raptor]

T-22 is still OP and it hurts the game to have the end game/top tier/esports level vehicle pool (meds at least) effectively dominated by a tank that is locked behind a paywall.

Anyone that disputes how good the t-22 is, is either unaware or totally in denial about their prevalence/usage frequency at tier 10 tournaments - and that is BEFORE we even account for their limited availability.

[crystal halo]

You can be splashed even if you don’t make a mistake. A side scraping VK, a hulldown M6, anything

[civic topaz]

@teal raptor In my opinion, in general game, the problem isn't the tank, it's the player base that just refuses to learn how to counter it.

[scarlet fjord]

yeah you can
but your forgetting 80% of your team mates cant do that lol

[visual lance]

Finally

[teal raptor]

Every tank can be beaten. No tank is invincible. My point is that the t-22 is the best all round medium at tier X. And it's a premium "collector" that you can only have if you pay money for it.

The game is F2P. And while it isn't outright P2W - locking tier x esport viable tanks behind a paywall is obnoxious against the player base.

[civic topaz]

@teal raptor I'd not really it's the "best all round" medium at X. That is your opinion only, it's strong I'm not saying otherwise but general public struggles to counter due to their incompetence and CW players have already figured out its weaknesses

[last shadow]

That's still wargamings fault in the end
They know exactly that their playerbase isn't the best, like not at all
And yet they still threw this abomination into the game

[hidden jewel]

Because there Was money to be made. WG is Not a samaritan but a Company needing a "income "

[scarlet fjord]

T22 has 1 big flaw and its in its very strong point
if you memorize the armor profile its 1 overwhelming advantage becomes irrelevant thats why it doesnt work on CW players unless they make a mistake which any tank can punish you if you make a mistake
but it is completely broken in pubs because general playerbase is way worse than a few years ago

[teal raptor]

The t22 is used most frequently of all the meds in tours.

That is all the data you need to know it is the best all round med lol

[full marsh]

I would argue that t22 doesn't affect most normal battles since there's not a lot out there although it's op we can say that it also falls short like all other tanks without a team and the right player or situation it's just another tank

[teal raptor]

I think everyone is missing the point.

Any tank can be made to shine if driven by an amazing player.

Similarly - any tank can be utter trash if driven by someone that plays as such.

Stronger tanks provide tangible in game assets and edges over other players and tanks in certain in game scenarios.

Yes ofc the t22 has weaknesses. But that doesn't stop it from being very strong in lots of positions on most maps at lots of different times of a battle and in game scenarios.

It is very strong. It doesn't guarantee a win sure. BUT - the simple fact that it is used most frequently for tier x mediums by championship winning sides on all servers tells you it is meta.

In terms of esports at least - teams with t22s in the garages have an advantage. That advantage can only be acquired with money. That's the issue.

Look - a super unicum in a garbage tank can crush a garbage player in an OP tank. Not disputing that. But that doesn't stop OP tanks from existing and it doesn't stop the t22 from being strong.

[full marsh]

Agreed I think if it's nerfed it would be bad take an example of the turtle mk.1 in testing it was nerfed and it became worse after being nerfed for being too strong

[scarlet fjord]

T22 is spammed cuz its heavy meta
so medium roles are the most compatible with the T22 cuz its armor and DPM combination allows it to focus fire and troll bounce a few shots when people by mistake or by RNG miss
like how 62a is completely pointless in tourneys while incredibly strong in pubs because its hull down role is irrelevant in tourneys as you have E5's and kranvagns which have way more armor and pen and hitpoints etc etc

[distant river]

Tourneys aren't a good way to balance the game at all really things are just very different there and can only be used by a very small part of the playerbase. It's just not representative of what the playerbase can do, or what they are on the recieving end of

[unique scaffold]

Wargaming when wanna select out really the toxic gamers? This dishonor system is not solve that problem. How many times need chew the makers ear to solve this?

[teal raptor]

True.

[leaden flare]

A way to solve people beeing toxic towards you just git gud I have barely anyone complaining about me 😂

And personally I hate t-22 for it being my worst T10 I don't have any problems dealing with it as an enemy and when playing it people get the luckiest shots ever turret pens, cupola pens and overmatched engine decks

[last shadow]

The first part doesn't really work tho
Because if you are a better player
They'll just call you out for every so small mistake you make

[sudden granite]

I think I’m pretty decent at the game and instead of people crying about me being bad and losing them the game (still happens but way less) the enemy cries about me killing them xdd
Its like 20% teammates crying and 80% enemies crying

[scarlet fjord]

even if you beat your opponent and win a 1vs5 your still getting insulted by the raging red in the enemy team calling you a hacker or whatever pops in their heads

[leaden flare]

i mean if someone gets offended by the enemy crying about you killing them then sry but they are way to sensitive getting insulted by the enemy is a praise

i mean i dont see them as complaints anymore xD

[sudden granite]

Correct, instead I laugh at them for their funny behaviour, but it’s just to show that the better you play doesn’t mean the less complaints you get

[true spindle]

thanks to this "red highlights guide" most of the German heavy tanks armor are obsolete their armor pretty seems just like a design other than being sluggish they also have worst gameplays in abnormal terrains with poor accuracy and slow reload actually those are fine its what they called balance but not until this red highlights guide again it made the game very unrealistic. cuz its easy just avoid the red highlights in the surface then shoot and win ie.E-100 how they did even call it a balance for E-100 if its only the armor he relied on. forget the sidescraping it only works on WOT not on blitz.. you know what devs if you want to make E-100 as a dreaded tank again please remove the red highlight guide from atleast tier VIII to X battles and let them guess where his pig spot. sorry to this ranting of mine but i wanted to express my opinion.

[full token]

People take time to react, so wiggling or moving fast makes it hard to hit all the shots at weakspots. And some can’t aim even if they’re shown where to hit. Even then, you can hide weakspots so people only see red, or atleast minimize what people see by hiding most weakspots or by increasing your distance so the enemy’s dispersion reduces the shots that hit. The E100 is one of those tanks where you need to know how to angle the armor and make people waste time waiting for you to show a weakness. For the high pen guns you need to hide one part so the other can be angled to bounce, and the other part that is weak with that angle gets hidden. It has HP so taking penetrating hits isn’t as much of an issue as on other tank classes

[raw oyster]

Lol just play realistic battles
Anyways E100 isn't bad at all, just don't show your lower plate and angle your turret
But on the tiger 2 and e75 never angle your turret

[winged barn]

The e100 outclasses every. Single. Td.

[leaden flare]

Maybe not every TD but the ones having a more frontline purpose for sure

[mental pasture]

Isn't it literraly what every single ATGMfanboy said every single day?

@winged barn I tend to disagree, the gameplay of E100 can't be compared to much TDs. Someone may cause more damage in E100 doing frontline, but it's impossible to compare with Obj. 268's sniper role.

@true spindle Sorry for my lack of education, but those must be one of the most foolish arguments to remove the penetration lights.

[winged barn]

The sniper role is completely useless. All it does is farm bots that aren't worthwhile killing. Decent players are not going to park in front of a sniper, and those are the players that need to be quickly eliminated.

[leaden flare]

Sniping in 268 people like that should.get punished 268 is one of the best frontline TDs

[winged barn]

^
And you know what does it better? An e100

[mental pasture]

@winged barn Depends of how smart is the sniper.

All you need to do is thinking outside the box and snipe from a different area. Surprising the enemies and weakening enemies for your frontline is the key.

@leaden flare Obj 268 armor is trollish, but too low for frontline. Idk what you like to do with it, but we're not supposed to do it.

[distant river]

268 is perfect for frontline, it's armour is brilliant when you use it's gun arc. You just need to stay aware of not getting pushed

[mental pasture]

???

[tepid latch]

268 is second line not frontline

[mental pasture]

I mean, it got precision and very good concealment for a reason

[last shadow]

If you are brave enough you can frontline a grille 15

[distant river]

You can play the 268 second line but then you might as well play a grille 🤷‍♀️
It's got armour for a reason so why not use it

[real bison]

sidescraping in an E100 while angling the turret practically makes you impervious to most standard ammos

prammo is mostly a different story

[tepid latch]

The only tanks that are front line are like is4 e5 kran...

[vivid flax]

What about the e3?

[tepid latch]

2nd line

[last shadow]

E3 second line
What?

[quasi axle]

🥴

[tepid latch]

If you’re playing frontline in an e3 your going to die fast

It’s not a heavy. It’s a TD. You aren’t going to survive if you’re getting focused with 1800 HP.

Even hrf stated that he played much better in the e3 after becoming a heavy supporter instead of heavy

[distant river]

Better damage from farming, less wins from not using your armour

[last shadow]

You literally have 3 weak spots
Track wheel, lower plate and that tiny spot next to the cupola
Everything else is literally unpenetrable
If you can't hide you lower plate (by face hugging, using hills bla bla) or hide your track wheel by literally going straight
Then what are you doing?

[tepid latch]

Again it’s a TD. Not a heavy. You aren’t supposed to lose HP. Surviving longer = more damage = more chance of winning. The only tanks that play frontline are those that can and should take shots. Like maus, is4, e5. Losing half your HP 2 min into the game in a TD isn’t helping anyone but your enemy

Do you understand what frontline and 2nd line means? Frontline = taking the shots and right up with the enemies
2nd = supporting the frontline
The only place where frontlining works in a e3 is maybe mines where all your enemies are in front of you.
Next you’re going to tell me that you’re supposed to frontline in the jg pz e100 bc it has armor

[distant river]

The E3 can definitely take shots...

[last shadow]

E5 and E3 literally have the same chassis
They both have the same lower plate weakspot and track wheel weakspot
Literally the only difference is that the e5 has a turret (with a cupola weakspot) and the e3 has this heavily Armored casemate thing (dunno what it's called) ontop which also has a cupola weakspot
Yet the e5 can bounce shells but the e3 can't?

[tepid latch]

Yes it can bounce shots but that’s a plus, not a reliability. E5 has 800 more hp as well as mobility and a turret. The gun is also less valuable than the E3s gun. If an e5 gets pushed it has the mobility to fall back and it has hp to survive. If an e3 gets pushed you’re pretty much done. Which is why you don’t want to position yourself on the frontlines.

[distant river]

The E5 only has the mobility to fall back when it has the speed booster... Which the E3 also has...
The E3 has better armour and a much better and harder hitting gun to make sure you don't get pushed. You aren't done even if you do get pushed unless you are solo which isn't a very smart position...

[twin egret]

Which is good cuz I get to carry, deal los of damage, and make myself feel good 😎

@mental pasture I didn't even get to play with ATGMs after Sherridan released

[last shadow]

E5 is literally 2kmh faster and has better power to weight ratio
Mainly because the e3 is heavier because of its armor
Both also have the retarded speedboost
What is your point again?

[leaden flare]

both e3 and e5 didnt need those cosumables
i understood why T95 and T28 got them but E3 was already the best performing TD at t10 at that point in time

[mental pasture]

Thus said RollingSwarm, the hero of Blitz in 2020 and stills very lucid.

[scarlet fjord]

was trying tho say most players cant counter that imbalance so need work

[unique scaffold]

I always play aggressive in 268 and literally always pays off. Just got to a spot where u can use ur gun depression u can bounce shots , i think i do much better playing aggressively than by being a second line/support tank. I got 3k avg in it doing that.

[twin egret]

well teach them on avoiding KV-2's

[tepid latch]

Playing aggressive doesn’t mean playing frontline. Frontline exclusively means that you are holding positions and taking shots for team. That’s why e3 and 268 aren’t front line tanks. They are 2nd line tanks. You can play them close up but you have to not take the enemies attention like you would in a Maus, is4 etc.

[distant river]

The E3 is literally made to take attention... It has one of the best frontal armour profiles in the game... 268 less so but it's mobility and armour combo need using and sitting back farming won't help

[stray verge]

Armor isn’t anything to be relied on. You can camp in the E3 with success though play something else if you want to camp. The E3 can afford to be more aggressive than other TDs but it cannot take as much hits mostly down to hp

[tepid latch]

You can watch guides on the e3 if your having an issue playing it. The best is probably HRF’s he pretty much sums up how to play it in the first 2 mins. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OauXjX-rk-s

[distant river]

Armour. Isn't anything. To be. Relied on???

Say this again and again in your head until you realise it's wrong.

The E3 is literally made to be at the front. Armour. Check. Gun. Check. Consumables to escape if you screw up positioning. Check. The only thing it's lacking is a turret, so it just takes some intelligence to not go into an area where you will need to look several directions at once. Other than that you want it slap bang at the front of the team taking all the focus on its almost totally impenetrable armour. If you sit back you just waste its entire purpose and its main feature.

[winged barn]

You mean I'm not supposed to camp in the maus?

It bounces literally everything when I do that

[full marsh]

Is fcm 50t a bad tank or am I a bad player the tank lacks in armor and dpm why is it even sold in it's current state

[nimble zodiac]

It's just always sold like many others? ._.

[vital basalt]

yes it's a meh tank but wg probably will never buff it cuz they give it away every twister

[stray verge]

Hulldown and sidescraping increases the chance for you to bounce, doesn’t mean you are unpennable. There will always be weakspots or flanking

That doesn’t mean armor is completely useless. Armor is really there to increase time to aim which in blitz lowers effective dpm or take. You can take advantage that to get the first shot off but armor is never 100% reliable. Every tank will die regardless and there is a reason why Warthunder tells players to play heavies like they don’t have armor.

This is one reason I do not like the enhanced armor equipment

[tepid latch]

It can’t be too hard to understand what a middle ground is. Not playing frontline doesn’t mean you’re sniping in the back.

You can’t play like a heavy in an e3... because it’s not a heavy. Simple. Just like how a 215b or 50B aren’t heavies or mediums. They play in a middle ground between the two.

[karmic portal]

I wouldn’t consider the e3 to be like an obj268. The obj268 armor is troll, the e3 armor is reliable. For e3 just be careful not to be facing multiple opponents that have an angle on you and you are good to go.

[last shadow]

You can damn well play the e3 like a heavy

[tepid latch]

Yep you can you just won’t be using the tank to it’s maximum potential.

Also dude funny how you’re telling me to play E3 when you don’t even have it 🤣 😂

[last shadow]

Why do I need to have it?
It's not like I play a lot of t10 and see first hand how it performs
And I never told you to play the e3
I just said that you CAN in fact play the e3 as a heavy
Nothing more nothing less

And honestly at this point I'm certain that you are trolling or you have no clue

[nimble zodiac]

Also the claim that no tank is impenetrable is wrong in some situations, like suppose a Kranvagn hulldowned against, say, an IS-7, and faced upwards, that IS-7 can only hope HE can do something, it will never penetrate

[tepid latch]

You can play it has a heavy but you won’t do as well as if you played it as a support.

Also how am I trolling or having no clue? Just because I’ve been telling you tips on how to play the e3 that don’t agree with your own... means I’m trolling? 🤣

@nimble zodiac you can also play a light tank as a heavy. You can do whatever you want in your tanks. You just won’t be maximizing your performance in it if you are playing a way that isn’t suited for the tank.

[nimble zodiac]

I found an oopsie

A but doesn't bypass a sheer statement made at another time

Besides, many heavies rely on being secondline, instead of being at the front, E3 doesn't have to frontline, if it secondlines, it still plays like some heavies

[prisma jetty]

Look at the full sentence. You are chopping off a lot of context there

[last shadow]

Honestly, at this point
If you don't use the armor you have to defelct/bounce shells that could've otherwise hit your teammates
And e3 god knows has more armor than some heavies (look at the poor is7 over here, you load gold and the entire tank is grey, meanwhile on the e3 it changes literally nothing)
Then you are just an a hole of a teammate

At the end of the day this is still a team game
(Bias on hating the is7 lol, also if you don't get the point with the is7 then get out, obviously it was 50% a joke)

[nimble zodiac]

Oh that's a very confident statement against an IS-7

Dang, be a shame if IS-4 also turned grey, turret is dodgy but still

I just realized I kinda miss the visuals for +/-25% pen RNG on wotsinpector

[winged barn]

but then you can't farm as hard

This ones for u chicken
Hey now, the is4 turret still hold up decently