tank-balance-discussion

[unique scaffold]

They can nerf them though and they already make more than enough on profits but it’s more of an annoying topic now since every week there’s always someone complaining about them in here

[candid steeple]

Well you queuing up for a tier VI-VII match and you see Annihilator toon. Ofc it will tilt the hell out of you and ofc people will complain about this.

Honestly this is bigger problem then missiles. Missiles didn't make every other tank to be buffed in unhealthy way. Ani and Smasher ruined everything around them.

[unique scaffold]

missiles technically did though the Heavy HP buff was directly because of missiles and then TD buffs because of that etc

[candid steeple]

You seem to not know a thing to assume that missiles resulted in heavy hp buff. Everything was impacted by missiles. Heavies got lame hp buff because mediums and light out-passed them and heavies simply became irrelevant.

[unique scaffold]

Except no that’s not what happened at all lights and meds had already been nerfed for a while and meds and heavies were on fair ground for the longest time until the missiles came along and prompted the buff

[remote oriole]

Missiles were not the official reason, the reason was literally because WG envisioned heavy gameplay to be leading the charge and stopping the charge which doesn’t work if you are just as strong as the tanks you yolo into or make a last stand against

[leaden flare]

Thier thought wasn't bad but they forgot to change the DPM accordingly

Tanks with lots of HP slow down the gameplay but if the DPM still is too high the speed won't change

Yeah E5 is a special pain in the ***
FV isn't as much of a pain but still really good against meds

[sudden granite]

And dont forget heavy meds running around with reactive lol like e5

[unique scaffold]

funni e5 moment

[misty herald]

we want burning games

[full token]

No i dont. Just had it quite recently

[sudden granite]

I want uprising kek

[novel depot]

I want uprising tournaments lol
(It's balance discussion so we shouldn't be here)

[uneven narwhal]

Gravity Tournaments when?

[novel depot]

Yeah, maybe now. Before thruster addition everyone would play with heavies

[boreal ruin]

yea

[marble blaze]

hi

[candid steeple]

Khmm khmm speed was everything before heavy hp buffs. People tend to forget that phrase. T95 dead and so on.

[versed tide]

Day 4 of saying it doesn’t need it

[sinful leaf]

^

[scarlet fjord]

day 279 of me asking nerf IS-4 and E5
do that its practically an automatic buff to IS-7 :D

[versed tide]

Day 1 of saying nerf heavies

[unique scaffold]

They cannot nerf those.
Reason: One is premium, other one is considered premium.
They promised that they will never touch them once they're released, they can only get buffed so in case of nerf = automatic compensation for owners or perhaps even refund.

[distant river]

They haven't promised anything, they have said that they do not want to nerf them. Owners will not receive any compensation unless WG gives it to them out of the kindness of their hearts because WG have total ownership over your account and can change anything they like for balance. They have said they don't want to nerf them because they know it will make a lot of people unhappy, but that does not mean they cannot.

[unique scaffold]

Making people unhappy = people going rage mode = not stonks.
WG would get boycotted if they did that and that's a sure thing.

(i still cant forget on how they were mixed with mud back in 2018-2019 when it came to WoT PC, same with introduction of EBRs that many people hate to this day)

[full token]

Theres a decent amount of owners who want them nerfed. They also affect other premium tanks

[unique scaffold]

The thing is; sure.
There's decent amount of people that want them nerfed, but if you will scrap the full amount of those people and only consider those tanks actual owners, they will not even be 40%, or i dare to say, 20% of entire community.

The people that want them nerfed are mostly people that dont have them; they see it (smasher for example) as OP machine that's indestructible even when put in situation 1 smasher vs 7 type 62s.

On other topic, i'm suprised on how those other Premium tanks are not getting buffs.
Like an old phrase says: "The wolf is satisfied and the sheep is unharmed."

[misty herald]

day 8 of asking is 7 side armor buff

[distant river]

WG would definitely not be boycotted. It may even increase profits as people actually start playing tier 7 again. Also as a personal opinion, if anni spammers quit the game then the game will be much much better. The people that want them nerfed are anyone with a brain cell who don't rely on them to feel like they are competent. The only people that want to defend them are people who do rely on them to feel competent.

/ see here is a total nab <3

[winged barn]

B b bbbbut... you can't nerf my pReMiUmZ

They are killing the balance of the game by refusing to nerf things. Instead of just nerfing a singular tank, they are buffing 20 others. Some tanks just aren't even touched, so now they [comet] have to deal with a tier of broken and then overbuffed tanks.

[unique scaffold]

That's actually halfly true.
I personally think that good portion of owners would quit for a while, hence their only good tank got nerfed and it would become useless in their eyes/aka perform far worse (low WRs know the feeling).
As for "feel competent" thing, you can still be an utter trash while using those tanks, especially smasher hence Anni forgives far more stuff so imma just ignore it.

[frail yoke]

it needs gold penetration buff and to move ammorack

[full token]

The ammorack is not an issue

[vast relic]

unless anggael is on the enemy team

[frail yoke]

@full token it isnt big issue but its still issue when u get ur ammorack damaged 2 times in a row

@vast relic hes on asia server im on eu lol

[unique scaffold]

Send all your declines and dislike towards WG and young fanbase, not me hence i am only tellin' ya that they've crapped the job by adding those in first place and that they're not as OP in hands of some 12 years old low WR player as some clearly not sober on mind people think.
Same goes for buffs for tech trees and stuff.

I'll sound like a hypocrite but most of playerbase wanted new tanks, new events and everything else.
Annihilator, Smasher, Battlepasses, Reskins and in total, lack of focus on stuff that needs to be actually improved is the result of everything thus far combined.

I don't wanna continue this discussion hence we would only end in the very point we started from.
Albeit thanks for sharing your personal opinions.

[scarlet fjord]

stop asking for armor buff on IS-7 thats not even what its lacking in xd
instead everyone spam to WG about how IS-4 and E5 need nerfing right no- oh wait we already did that

[raven dawn]

Annihilator buff 7.9 suggestion
Buffed turret armor to 230mm
Buffed hatch armor to 200mm
Buffed hull armor to 190mm
Buffed side hull and turret armor to 150mm
Buffed shot damage to 300/290/450
Buffed penetration to 210/280/150
Buffed traverse speed to 45.39
Buffed turret traverse speed to 50.39
Buffed HP/T to 23.4
Buffed Top speed to 45
Buffedcamoflauge ratings to 40/30/20/20
I think if i was a new player moving to tier 6 i would love facing stronger tanks that will punish foolish mistakes!

[edgy crag]

anni could use some more gun elevation

[turbid smelt]

even atgms

[full token]

That’s a nerf so no
Or maybe add a fourth shell then ok

[unique scaffold]

We should decrease it's chance of catching fire
Make it invisible to enemy tanks

[candid steeple]

Triple ATGM as forth type of a shell and each ATGM deals 400 damage ignoring tracks and space armor.

Also make it request artillery strike.

[sudden granite]

Give it’s gold more dmg than the AP shell!

[safe rapids]

and make it a tier 2 premium in crates

[wise rover]

There's nothing wrong with the Anni and yeah I have it myself to,people moaning about it are just jealous they don't have it or don't know how to take them out when you run into one,I payed the money for it and I don't want it touched its ok as it is and I don't play it alot by the way before anyone says that,I just killed a Anni funnily enough with my smasher,it wasn't hard but leave the Anni alone WG

[dense walrus]

I killed it so the tank is fair and balanced

[edgy crag]

smasher counters anni pretty well so a buff to the smasher will fix the anni situation 😀

@raven dawn agreed, it teaches them valuable tactics such as hit and run and peeking

[near warren]

Should fail plat be removed or kept?

[raven dawn]

Exactly, why not buff it, i'm sure all the new players in their tier 6 mediums love the annihilator and smasher, when i play in tier 6 all the noobs get pulverised but it teaches them an important lesson

Don't play tier 6

[low cliff]

I just killed an annihilator with my smasher
ah yes, balans

[full token]

Hahahahaha ‘killed a tank so it’s balanced’. So what’s an overpowered tank? One that has 500mm of armor everywhere including the rear and any cupola so it can’t be destroyed?

[wise rover]

I just don't think the Anni is OP like all the people moaning about it,if handled correctly there not hard to deal with

[quiet pasture]

One look at it's stats would clearly show it's op. ATGMs isn't actually a bad idea @turbid smelt

[wise rover]

One side there's us who say leave it alone and then the other side saying make it weaker,we will never agree lol but I just like having it in my garage as I'm a collector

[turbid smelt]

it clearly needs buff, look at such positive response

@quiet pasture ayy now we are at similar terms

[candid steeple]

WG balance in tier VII litteraly became a joke. I wouldn't be surprised after all this jokes like in Warframe about Nezha trap for WG here to start banning people for mentioning tier VII balance.

It would be good for youtubers to start mentioning this so more new players think twice before playing the game so WG finally does something about this destroying of the game.

At the moment WoT PC is only played by people with fat pockets and I honestly hope that Blitz wont become like this but WG pretty much is heading towards this.

[safe rapids]

Tier 7 "balance"

[turbid smelt]

blitz hasn't reached tanki online level of balance, so we are fine for the moment

[sudden path]

Stop playing tier 7

[candid steeple]

Don't worry I am not :)

But because we who got loads of higher tiers doesn't mean that everything from tier I to VII has to be boring or unplayable.

[unique scaffold]

25k gems for some bundle was a joke in Tanki, or camo for 2k gems that looked like vomit ._.

[full token]

When WG has said its op ( #devs-answers ) and you still think its not. This isnt even a tank thats just a little OP

[candid steeple]

They said that it's OP but they also said that they don't see it as a problem. Heh gotta love it. Thing breaks the game. MM oversaturated with Annihilators and Smasher but WG still doesn't see this as problem.

[prisma hedge]

right, so we need a smasher to kill an annihlator

[wise rover]

Yeah lol

[quasi axle]

"Don't nerf a broken tank because another broken tank can kill it"

[full token]

Ribble did send a separate message saying that they know it’s a problem but to them this is a better problem to have than to nerf it and deal with the people affected

[candid steeple]

Well yes because they sold so many Annihilators and Smashers that if they would nerf them now a lot of people would complain. But I am certain that there's a lot but a lot of people who want those tanks erased from existance.

They just make bigger and bigger problem for the game and now when it hit the fan they wont take action.

Also sacrificing profit for the happiness of the player base would give them respect but they want short term profit over better player experience.

Also this is a mobile game. It's not a PC game. It's easier to just leave the game. I hope they wont wait for it to hit their heads before they do something.

[quasi axle]

If wargaming didn't make halloween events p2w and kept it as it was a cppl years ago, they could nerf without making a bunch of ppl mad

[wise rover]

If they were to nerf the Anni but give players compensation for it who own it,like gold for example,think 20k gold I'd be happy with that lol but seriously yeah I'd want gold

[full token]

Annihilator wasnt even sold for 20k gold

[foggy aurora]

20K gold is enough to buy most tier 10 collectors and premiums so to take away a OP tier 7 from all players that was bought from a hourly salary at McDonald is not such a bad idea
SARCASM INTENDED

[quasi axle]

Anni was $10 I think

[wise rover]

I have bought every premium pass since the thunder so I'd want something decent I've pumped alot of money into this game

[distant river]

"I payed £10 for a tank I have had plenty of time to abuse by playing over 1k games in. I bought this tank either knowing it could be nerfed or ignoring the EULA by choice, and now demand that I get excessive compensation"

Hmmm

No.

[winged barn]

Guys, I killed leopard 1 with a tier 1.

The leopard 1 fits perfectly fine into tier 1

[leaden flare]

all passes how much is that like 35€ ? thats not a lot thats pretty much nothing compared to how much tanks usually cost

[wise rover]

All passes and tons of premium tanks and crates

[distant river]

And that is your choice?
The anni did not cost much at all so whatever else you have spend is completely irrelevant anyway

[versed tide]

I killed a Sheri missile in tier 1 put it back in reg matches

[raven dawn]

K now serious
Minor T95e6 buff
Reasoning
If the tank is going to be alot more on the move and mobile than the e5 i think improved gun stats would help it alot, and a bit more armor in general to make it more on par with other heavies

In general slightly better dispersion and aim time than e5, but less than cheiftainmk6
Slightly better reload time
And 10mmextra armor to the turret on plates that are 152mm

[leaden flare]

How about not buffing heavys anymore and start nerfing them xD

[teal stratus]

how about making it possible for me to win

[dense walrus]

yikes

[raven dawn]

Yeah but compare it to m60 with similar turret effectiveness or e50m but plot twist both of those tanks have better dpm/accuracy and of course both have better hull armor and much better mobility, especially e50m

[leaden flare]

M60 is pretty trash also T95E6 has way better turret

[raven dawn]

M60 is fine, yes t95e6 has a better turret, but eveything else says something when you compare it to other heavies and even mediums

[winged barn]

When comparing the 95e6 to mediums, you left out a major difference. Penetration.
Tier 10 mediums cannot frontally engage heavy tanks. The e6 can.

[edgy crag]

so theres more than 1k people who own the smasher out there

yikes

i thought the number was much smaller

[coarse patio]

They decided to put it back in crates a couple weeks back

[raven dawn]

tru

but an accurracy buff would help nonetheless and would fit in well

[full token]

Its a buff. Ofc it will improve the tank

[misty herald]

day 1 of asking lower emil 1 emil 2 kranvagn get ammo rack explosion chance

[minor minnow]

If you’re getting ammoracked so often in the tanks you’re either doing something very wrong or you’re very unlucky

[thick rover]

Laughs in IS7

[uneven narwhal]

laughs in only 1% battles where I got ammoracked

[near warren]

Laughs in 2 ammorack in a row with t54 in first 2 battles

[uneven narwhal]

Now no one will say "DoNt BuY t-54"

[fossil copper]

Why WG didn't buff the E4?

[full token]

I see you have watched a certain video about that tank recently

[ocean folio]

Please for the love of god buff the T54. It's so god awful. The gun is mediocre at best. The armor is ok against tier 8, below average at tier 9, and absolutely useless at tier 10. Now with this you'd probably think that the speed would make up for it? That's how light tanks are balanced. No. NO. ITS SLOW AS MOLASSES. I just got chased down by an IS-5. I have fully upgraded with improved fuel and engine accelerator. This tank is an absolute joke. It gets dusted by literally every other medium tank in the game besides maybe a matilda. The T54 ltwt was good, and the obj 140 & T62A are both faster than this absolute POS.

[nimble zodiac]

T-54 is good, idk what you're on about

T-54 is not a light like ltwt, so don't expect all speed

Matilda is a heavy, not a medium

Also it has great turret armor in tier 8, not just ok

[full token]

Learn how to play it. It’s a balanced tank.

[ocean folio]

Nah man it's garbage. I've always loved mediums and lights, but this bs ain't it.

So? Amx cdc isn't a light either but it is faster than most lights. Same with the dracula. The obj 140 is a medium but it's decently fast. The leopard is pretty fast and it's a medium. The progetto is probably faster than the T54.

Matilda used to be a medium. Matilda BP and Matilda 4 are still mediums and they're basically the same tank with an upgraded gun

Sure the turret armor is good but you can never use it because of the horrible gun depression. Unless you get lucky and find a place that somehow hides your giant lower plate that is on level ground.

[nimble zodiac]

AMC CDC is basically a light with simple weight putting it over to the medium class, and it has a super engine so it can work as a light tank, at least T-54 has pretty solid armor on it, so it has an excuse to be slower than light tanks.

Also at least compare it to tanks of its tier, you've only mentioned tier 4-5, 8, and 10 tanks, without even bringing in the bad qualities of other tier 9 mediums

And for the mediocre gun, most tier 9 medums deal with pretty lacking penetration, sure the T-54 at the worst, but it does not render it that bad, it still pulls nearly 3k DPM with the fastest reload in class

Also, would you consider buffing the T 55A?

@ocean folio I found your problem, max your crew, if kitted right, you got yourself a 6.32s reload

Again, kitted right, with gun rammer and appropriate provisions

[ocean folio]

Leo pt A is pretty fast. Standard B is fast. E50 has better armor, speed, and possibly gun. WZ 120 has similar if not better armor, better gun, same if not better speed. Skota at least has speed and a good gun, but no armor

I'm getting 300 damage shots with an 8 sec reload in the T54

Maxing crew shows it still has 7.43 sec reload, it's at 87% right now.

That's brings it to 7.1

I've always used the extra rations

Wait are you talking about the D-10T2C or the D-54?

[nimble zodiac]

Leo PT A lacks armor, gets speed
Standard B lacks armor, gets speed
E 50 is not faster than T-54, though the top speed is higher, it cannot support that top speed as well as T-54 supports its own
WZ-120 is basically a bit slower T-54 with a 122mm gun

100% crew, both food rations, gun rammer, and there's your lovely 6.32s

Still wondering why T 55A isn't included in there

D-10T2C, but if you want D-54, go ahead, 7.11s, it'll lag behind medium DPMs

[full token]

There’s ways to get the gun down if you don’t have enough gun depression. Just need to know how to use the terrain. The T54 does get to use the turret often. Even then, the hull isn’t weak. The upper plate is strong, but angling it can make the sides weak, so you need to know how to angle one of them without exposing the other too much

@ocean folio T54 still has better effective hp/t than the E50

[ocean folio]

The terrain crossing capacity % is lower in every category for the T54 vs the e50. Same with the wz.

Honestly I forgot the t55 even existed

[raven dawn]

Yeah but i was meaning to make the tank more capable in comparison to it's peers, an accuracy and dpm buff is good and if not maybe the turret armor buff on the sides from maybe 152mm-172 or 165mm would make it more comparable

[full token]

Thing is heavies are already over performing. To buff weaker heavies causes more issues than just weakening the heavies that were made too strong

[teal palm]

Honestly I loved the T54 even tho I wasn’t that good when I got it
The only bad thing I can remember is the premium pen

[distant river]

(T95E6 also has 400 hp advantage over the M60 which is a lottt)

[uneven narwhal]

Day 11 of asking for a Smasher and Annihilator nerf

(Almost forgot to type "nerf" lmao)

[thick raft]

When will the Tiger 2 lower plate get nerfed from 160mm, the turret is the only bad thing about that tank

[full token]

The lower plate is strong but the upper plate is quite easy to pen with prammo. The cupola is still a weakspot and the drive wheel area gets weak when angled

[uneven narwhal]

The problem with the Tiger 2 is it's strong until people switch to prammo
It's honestly butter then

[river valley]

Could the gun or armor on BDR G1 B be nerfed? its incredibly OP, you normally get a complete destruction and you still have like 500 HP

[thick raft]

It's butter if you have good penetration on your premium ammunition, the cupola is hard to shot with tanks like IS-3 because Tiger 2 is taller and tanks like IS-3 is inaccurate

[leaden flare]

Sry to tell you but t54 is pretty good and the Armor works even at T10 you just have to angle right and at the right time
I'm getting fairly decent games with it no problem

[mental pasture]

It got an unnecessary armor buff, it got as op as T1 Heavy

@wooden walrus don't get all serious with this server, it's not a prosecution thing after all

It's sides are flat and considerably weak, also, it got a cupola

[river valley]

Even more OP than T1 Heavy, bc it has tier VII gun and the weak spot is smaller than on T1

[unique scaffold]

cupola on bdr is even use gold ammo 30% chance to hit !

[autumn zodiac]

[vital basalt]

r/ihadastroke

[quiet pasture]

What the

[unique scaffold]

Wut

[mental pasture]

Someone save this man, he had a stroke while typing and his heart isn't beating anymore!

[novel depot]

Buff tortoise, it has literally nothing apart from HE and DPM

[stray verge]

It's bad to prevent you from being a filthy 183 spammer

[latent snow]

nerf tortoise

[vital basalt]

its dpm isnt even that good lol,technically it should have same or just a little bit lower dpm than Su122-54 because of that low alpha

[burnt prism]

You'd expect the tortoise to have 3996dpm and jagtiger to have 3701 dpm from that alpha

[autumn zodiac]

The 20 Pdr has more DPM than the top gun on Tortoise

[stray verge]

Tortoise gets a worse armor profile and worse dpm for more pen and alpha over the at15 got it

[nimble zodiac]

Geez, 4007 DPM to spam 225 damage, Tort OP AT 15

Ah yes, balance tanks to fight a higher tier

[vital basalt]

well,good luck fighting against tier 10s with 226/258 penetration oh and 225 alpha
like imagine Maus has 3.3k hp and you do 225 damage to it

[winged barn]

Seriously dpm creep has happened. Jesus, remember when the soviet meds were god tier dpm dealers?

[autumn zodiac]

I don't remember saying the 20pdr is better

[vital basalt]

fair point

[wispy leaf]

Tier 7 = balance stats = trash and broken

[nimble zodiac]

Uh oh he’s typing

[unique scaffold]

all WG winrate graf is lie !! in battle is all trash and burst tanks are problem on all tiers ! have more dpm as others tanks +- 300 /400 dmg ! and many 55-65 % players no play with sht tanks !! as E75 TS - vs EMIL 1 (tech tree have more armor more dpm more speed ! E75 ts are defend tank and is no worthy money ! i no buy him ( win in event) and this was only tip of iceberg

[leaden flare]

yeah you shouldnt compare a hulldown clip tank to a normal heavy and Emil 1 is only good against t8 as soon as it meets T9 or T8 TDs its armor is basically gone

[buoyant glen]

Is there any hope of match being improved? Or will it remain a crapshoot of a team composed entirely of lights camping, heavies hiding behind ATs and mediums running out on their own to get completely smashed or a team that plays smart. It's like one or the other every time. I feel like match based on average damage per type would vastly improve it

[nimble zodiac]

If your teams were good you'd have worse stats than you carrying them

Most games deal with random matchmaking, so you can have fun discussing it in general blitz discussion :p

Assisted spotting damage is a thing

[rotund agate]

Guys what tier 10 should I grind for? I am mostly a td and heavy guy

[buoyant glen]

@nimble zodiac my suggestion wouldn't make the team good or not, just greater frequency of balance between them. TBH it isn't fun when the entire team an heros and it's you v 5+. Nor is it really fun the other side and the match is over in 90 seconds. I argue that with matched damage in the given tank types then yes, you would lose lower damage lights versus faster lights (maybe add in spotting damage?) But the matches would be more slug fest which I think most would enjoy.

Let's throw in: a more efficient way of dealing with generally toxic players like this

[stray verge]

I seen OLD_G be toxic

[winged barn]

Oh please, TOES is much better at balancing out you chats

[celest marlin]

Oh no, his military honor is 5-star! What ever will you do???

[deft owl]

Nice disscussion about balance.

[twin egret]

Lorraine 40 t needs a different gun now, the 90mm is cringe

Actually a lot of things suck about it now

[low cliff]

give lorraine the 120mm found on the amx 50 line and rename it to the Lorraine 50 120

[unique scaffold]

Make Lorraine 40t even worse than it is ahahaha

[twin egret]

? no
give it the 100mm like on PC

[turbid smelt]

bruh, you just posted random screenie out of context and claim in to be toxic, when no part of is toxic, you didn't even bother to censor name, so that screenie can may as well be an attempt to name and shame.

[buoyant glen]

no part is toxic
Did you even read it? If you did, I'll help you out on the comprehension part: he says 'he gets reported all the time to admins and they do nothing so he isn't worried' (paraphrased). Then read the next part. That is a toxic gamer. Using censored swear words is less toxic than the attitude and his actions. And you are right, I didn't censor it because as this is a dev channel, they can see more than the average user and others, as they did, can support my statement and evidence.

[mental pasture]

That @unique scaffold is a kid, don't take him seriously

[turbid smelt]

that player can may as well be replying to something you said in the battle, you could have even cursed while bypassing censor and we don't know any of that thanks to no context given

the way that player has written his message sounds a lot like a hyperbole meant as joke to mock something you said during battle

I also get a lot of new players calling me hacker cheater when I easily beat them, I don't go mocking them for their earlier posted comments, that player looks a lot like had enough from you and decided to post that in garage chat but once again I can't claim this to be true as their is no context I can refer to

edit:
wg also provides reporting service free of charge on their portal, you can post there, not here, this is discussion channel related to balancing not out of context "toxic" player expose channel which also violate discord server rule

edit 2:
here are links to player support for different servers

NA https://na.wargaming.net/support/

EU https://eu.wargaming.net/support/

RU https://ru.wargaming.net/support/

SEA https://asia.wargaming.net/support/

[buoyant glen]

Oooof. 1: you can see my interface, that will tell you no in game chat. 2: he literally referenced being reported. That means we are all aware of standard reporting but also that it is ineffective hence my post asking can we improve handling of toxic players. 3: why are you trying so hard to make excuses for toxic behavior?

[turbid smelt]

come to #off-topic-discussion
this is discussion chat is not for this garbage

[minor minnow]

Assuming you don’t have any, these are good options for a TD/Heavy main:
•IS-4
•E5
•WZ-113 (for a challenge)
•215B
•Maus/E100
•Kran
•E3
•Ho Ri
•268
•263 (for a challenge)
• Grille
I think that’s all for now, and this is just my opinion, pick and choose carefully because a few of these tanks are very unforgiving

[twin egret]

lol remove 215b it's not worth anymore

[austere plank]

💯

[ornate warren]

yeeaaaa definitely go for E5 >:)

btw guys M103 needs a turret buff, I got deleted by a shell that come to my turret cheek and it ammoracked M103 -_-

[full token]

Thats called a weakspot

[teal palm]

Oh no someone aimed and penned my weak spot!
Get rid of it!
If anything the Conqueror needs a turret buff because it’s only 152/139
(Tiger 1 using ap on conq front)

[turbid smelt]

bruuuuh it is soo weak, wg should buff its mobility and keep it a heavium

I found this gold xd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ap6FReHOy0

[twin egret]

🤔 or make the conqueror historically accurate

[rocky citrus]

dsfcx

[tepid latch]

“Not worth” 🤡 @twin egret

[ornate warren]

thats called a weakspot that isnt a weakspot, thats the tumor of the tank :D people pen me every single time without using any gold shells even if I wiggle. they should at least give 10- 20 mm to those cheeks, M103 on wotpc has hilarious armor

[full token]

It’s not a terrible tank. The turret cheeks are weak but that’s because there’s more to the tank than just armor

[unique scaffold]

Delete matchmaker

[full token]

Play in training rooms, same thing

[unique scaffold]

Alternatively get good trademark

[minor minnow]

I’ve considered buying it, it still seems like a half decent tank, even if it’s not meta

[nimble zodiac]

The DPM is the reason you’d play it

A great strat is to run it with bigger heavies and have the enemies target them first. If they’re not clever enough to target the 215b, they have a big problem for DPM fights

[sudden granite]

One of my fav tanks when I am playing well lol

[dense prism]

the thunder needs to be buffed after they buffed the KV-1S

[turbid smelt]

the thunder is stronger more flexible version of kv 1s an in no need of buff

tech tree kv1s received penetration nerf and got dpm buffed

it even has more penetration, idk if some player just destroyed your thunder or not but just learn to play, stop asking for something at level of balance of Annhilator

[misty herald]

make maus faster

[novel depot]

It's supposed to be slow

[gray cosmos]

That's all what we need! A faster Maus and automatic autoloader Gravdigger then autoloader smasher 🤣

[novel depot]

make Gravedigger autoreloader

[nimble zodiac]

Just make it more accurate

[latent snow]

No just leave it alone, we don’t need more good heavies in tier7

[unique scaffold]

problem in game is meds dispersion + pen --> now all this meds use as TD line camp and kill all enem team but if wg change penetration must come closer if want do dmg (on 250m+-)and camping meds disappear !! because TD line is joke and need only burst meds for kill 1 heavy at time !

[wooden walrus]

As if I'm actually serious LOL. I know it's just a joke.

[uneven narwhal]

Ah yes an auto-reloading machine gun xD

[novel depot]

or AT 7

[unique scaffold]

i have question CHIMERA ( 400 med) , is 3 (400 heavy ) --- if both camp chimera do dmg because camp and is med ! is 3 hit avr or bounce ! this rules in game are broken !!

[foggy aurora]

Please reread your messages before sending because what’s wrong about having diversity in a game that has over 400 tanks excluding tiers 1-5 because gameplay would be more stale if all meds had 90-100mm guns at tier 8

[burnt venture]

I want half of what he's on
Either way the charts aren't everything lmao, some tanks do well only in the hands of 55-65%ers and some tanks that are broken there don't even show up cuz of how many battles they have. Broken tanks are not necessarily OP, and some tanks that still need fixing, like T92E1 or the WT auf pz IV show "normal" stats

Also, Emil I nerf obviously didn't do much, since WG didn't bother to change what made it OP: The hull armor

[quasi axle]

I think he's trolling

[full token]

Some will be added to the next one. RibbleStripe said there was a bug that left out some premiums

[burnt venture]

I mean, premiums don't really matter tbh, cuz even if a prem is unbalanced nobody can do anything about it lmao. Leaving them out misses nothing really, no point having non-nerfable tanks in a balance table except for a reference

[north nimbus]

I think ferdi should get a front armor buff from 200 to 240 or 230. Just and opinion.

[unique scaffold]

wg no do this because premium tanks no pen !! hahhaha

[north nimbus]

they probably wont do it, but its supper useless to have the ferdi in game because its a worse Jpanther II in every way, other than HP

[drifting depot]

excuse me but why do these even exist... the crazy up front stats are not even off set by something like mobility or a bad gun at all, yuck

[vast relic]

they exist just for the tutorial, they're not the usual pay to win premiums

[nimble zodiac]

@drifting depot 😂 ☝️👇

[sharp saddle]

#devs-answers message @drifting depot

[autumn zodiac]

I just like how those all have values that a player will never get see when they use the tech tree versions

[drifting depot]

exactly, I mean a darn sherman with jumbo like armor, a better gun AND nearly the same mobility. c'mon

oh and I forgot to mention 1200 hp which only stuff like the Churchill get

and stupidly good armor aswell as 1300hp, christ the tracks alone suck up most shots at nearly any angle without premium rounds alone

[minor minnow]

Jesus Christ the Tiger has 2.7k dpm

[nimble zodiac]

Black Prince is not amused.

[minor minnow]

I gotta play this tiger tho

[versed tide]

time to make a reroll

[drifting depot]

well if everyone is gonna be ruining t6, count me in

[nimble zodiac]

They won't be in t6, they're stuck in the tutorial

[winged barn]

You would think people could read a bit.

[versed tide]

sorry could not comprehend message please try again

[leaden flare]

Dude what are you expecting of the poor blitz community
Some dude that plays Russian roulette with his sentence structure
People that can't read
People that are immune to common sense or reasoning and so on

[dreamy oar]

So I just went to blitz hangar to see the armor of the tutorial. So it’s ufp is 125mm raw and 175mm of effective armor. Since the as the jumbo could take a 88mm without it penetrating successfully, and the Jumbo is a collector tank, meaning that it could be buff. Buff the the Jumbo’s armor from 101 to 125. That’s all, just improve its armor. At least make it fun to besides, hopefully it’s not gonna effect t6/5 mm too much

[deft owl]

@drifting depot Those tanks are for the tutorials on new accounts. As you can see they dont have he or apcr.

[gritty flare]

Buff the foch 155’s gun. Needs it badly. Yes it has an autoloader and yes it has troll armor and great speed but the hori has all that with better pen, way better gun, and on par mobility and better armor. Foch is in need of a buff. Gun buff.

[nimble zodiac]

better armor is questionable

[quaint mulch]

Buff amx 50b mobility.. The reverse speed are bad for me.. 15km/h its bad.. Just buff the mobility..

[nimble zodiac]

That’s such an obscure buff suggestion

Would it even help?

[stray verge]

when the foch had the original 640 single shot gun, people did not have a good first impression of the tank but soon became a tank for comp, the autoloader did bring diversity but it made the Foch broken

[safe rapids]

WG should buff the single shot gun to its old alpha, idk why WG decided to nerf it along with the autoloader. And for the autoloader gun I propose the gun's alpha go to 600/530/860, or at least buff the HE on the autoloader to 800 or so. 680 is so wimpy.

[rare sleet]

Why do you want to puff the autoloader alpha to 600 bruh, 560 is already good enough

[quasi axle]

Can't wait to kill t10 meds in 7 seconds with he

[gritty flare]

Buff the first gun to a normal 155mm, 640 ap and 960(?) he. The auto loader needs a gun buff badly or to be way more flexible with gun arc or gun depression or dispersion values/aim time. The gun just doesn’t perform.

[drifting depot]

huh what so they're tutorial tanks? well thank God for that

[misty herald]

make maus 5kp faster

[shy isle]

what happen to the sv?

[twin egret]

I mean those are your stats...and FV215b is already challenging to master... why recommend the FV215b to someone new?

[jagged crescent]

Because the 215b becomes an effective heavium when it's firepower and premium consumables are full utilized

[twin egret]

I wouldn't recommend it to someone who is just starting...

[drifting depot]

me neither... I guess it's one of those no brain lines up to tier 7 because of the ease of use, but from there on it's the complete opposite

[wicked ridge]

ADMINS!!! Update the Caernarvon line! This tank have no one chance against snaller or bigger tiers! Update this pls!!!

[jagged crescent]

The Black Prince stomps lower tiers, the Caernaevon's effective as a hulldown tank, the Conqueror has top-class fire power, the 215b is a solid heavium.
I didn't even mention how this whole line benefits from sandbags, reactive armor, and engine boost.

Frankly, I think you're just failing to use the tanks correctly

[teal palm]

The last bit is exactly why newer players should avoid it, they wouldn’t really know how it use it correctly.
Also while the Conq has good gun, it’s armour is absolutely low-tier garbage for a HT.

[wild gyro]

do you think IS-3 needs buff ?

[sharp saddle]

No

[novel depot]

No but it falls apart because of other IS tanks

[glass bronze]

buff kv1's speed

[unique scaffold]

e100 needs a cheek buff to easy to pen still with heat

[turbid smelt]

angle lel

[novel depot]

Yeah, just angle them. Also, why would you buff E 100, everything is great about it (lol after playing with tortoise i think it's fast)

[leaden flare]

Go for more Armor and get a good angle on the turret
Or try to bait them into shooting your gun mantlet

[unique scaffold]

thanks guys/girls

[violet sedge]

I agree Foch's gun handling is disaster

[nocturne mauve]

The worst gun handling is T34 2G FT

[versed tide]

Still don’t like caernarvon

[hard igloo]

I’m having major difficulties with foch tier 8, will it get good with top gun? Or will it suck all the way?

[lofty raven]

It is pretty good with top gun, but long reload

[scarlet fjord]

i think leo 1 should have -10 degrees

[tribal moss]

Lol wut?

[latent snow]

Nerf is4's armor

[visual sundial]

No

[uneven narwhal]

+1

[hidden ginkgo]

A tier 6 can pen it side scraping EASILY. Any t8-10 tank can pen it face hugging in the engine deck spot Heat butters through upper plate. Completely disagree.

[quasi axle]

a tier 6 can pen an is4 sidescraping?

[full token]

Some bad sidescraping that must be

[vital basalt]

wg can you please fix this armor thing? thanks

[stray verge]

is4 needs a 30mm strip on the turret roof

[raven dawn]

make normal centurion comparable with the premiums
higher dpm, better all-round armor

[leaden turtle]

some one does not understand how wargaming works

[full token]

They’ll buff the Centurion Mk1 and then buff the 5/1 so it can stay better than the Cent 1

[stray verge]

Tier 8 mediums that are tech tree other than T-44, T-34-2, and P44 are awful in general

[quasi axle]

T-44 sucks it's literally a worse t-54 ltwt

[scarlet fjord]

IS-4 needs turret nerf like a roof weakspot would fix that broken turret
and nerfing the mobility would make it more balanced
i think all 340 HEAT should be nerfed too on heavies except auto loaders

[winged barn]

Gun depression is one hell of an advantage

[safe rapids]

Yeah, the 7 degrees is quite nice.

[novel depot]

TVP VTU is good, also I like t-54 ltwt.

[vital basalt]

-7 gd is good except only 120mm gun mantlet
oh dont forget the 175 pen

[scarlet fjord]

gun depression over light tank camo light tank mobility (better turret armor)
a better gun in other aspects

[stray verge]

T-44 has good armor, good mobility 7 degrees of gd, and decent alpha and not bad dpm, only the rack and maybe pen has issues, ltwt gets better dpm and mobility for worse armor and gd I would say both are equal

@novel depot im talking about mediums, all lights apart from the T49 are good but you play the T49 for the derp

[vital basalt]

yea "good" armor

[scarlet fjord]

54 lt wt has significantly better turret armor
and only slightly worse hull if u think they are equal idk what to tell you lol

[stray verge]

The armor behind the mantlet is not 0mm for sure, try shooting at it in game and find out the turret armor in armor inspector is off

[solid forge]

Then imagine T44-100, an even worse than T44 counterpart

[quasi axle]

54 ltwt has better armor both hull and turret than the t44

[nimble zodiac]

Questionable

[winged barn]

More gun depression means the t44 has to peek for less time and can peek in more positions. The ltwt is very limited and inflexible, which is why it gains some stats in other areas. I personally greatly prefer the t44

[drifting depot]

agree, you literally just need to spam pramo at it's cheeks from a tier 8 tank, not even pramo from a tier 9 or t8 td

[junior gate]

I’m sorry but if u are complaining about a is4 being too strong. U need to get on ur meds 😂

[winged barn]

What? Are you saying the is4 is reasonably balanced?

The is4 is idiotproofed to a point of stupidity. It's a tank that you can use 3 brain cells and do well in. Not average, well.

[distant river]

^^^ And that's not even talking about when you have a half competent player in it

[versed tide]

Is4 balanced 100% idk what u guys talking about just use pramo lol get gud nubs lmfao 40%er delete game hahahahahhahahahahaha bot uninstall

[thick rover]

indeeed

[ionic pebble]

Tf,IS-4 have shit mobility,no need to nerf it

[vital basalt]

lol 43km/h forward is sht?

[drifting depot]

can we have this one pinned, summarizes 90% blitz players pretty well lmao

[gritty flare]

I think it’s gun needs a nerf and the pen. The mobility is fine, armor is fine, just needs its gun nerfed. The heat pen is obnoxiously op and can butter through most tanks. Especially with cali.

[drifting depot]

not the pen though, the overal accuracy is actually waay below average while the pen is just average for t10 heavies... even the lolpen heat, in fact the gun is so bad with dispersion factors and aiming time other than fully aimed that you'll miss a lot of shots that just shouldn't have, the armor is good but at the same time unreliable, so good that it's fool proof but so unreliable that you can't even sidescrape comfortably, and the mobility is just fine tbh if a little sluggish while turning but fine overall, I'd really just say that the tank in general is a weird one, borderline op but at the same time borderline painful trash....... just ugh

well yes I guess that'd satisfy that one annoying kid in a super heavy complaining he gets heat spammed

[jagged crescent]

just nerf the heatpen lol

[gritty flare]

It’s heat pen is too good with cali, and it’s gun is very accurate. If you compare it’s stats to super heavies or the Russian heavies it out performs then. Only thing it doesn’t compete against is a chieftain mk6 or tanks with similar guns. What the tank has is reliable troll armor. Turret is completely reliable. Just the heat pen needs a nerf. Compare it to a wz 5a, what does the 5a have the is4 doesn’t? 5a should have the better gun and better pen to compensate for the lack of armor.

[vital basalt]

i'd say all tier 10 heavies which has 340mm heat pen should be reduced to idk 320 or 315mm so they still be able to get 340/350mm heat but with CS instead of TD level 374mm

[unique rock]

no you

[mental pasture]

Not all of those have 340mm pen, but just a few

[unique scaffold]

Calibrated shells should simply be removed from the game

[gritty flare]

Or nerf cali so you lose more dpm. Instead of an irrelevant amount

[twin egret]

what's "bad accuracy" at tier 10? lol, every shot finds its path it seems at tier 10

[unique scaffold]

I kinda don’t like how TD can put Cali and ignore all the armor even with +2s reload. Same with heavy becoming TD and meds that got penetration nerf in 2017 cause WG wanted to encourage players to not fight heavy, but play around can just become heavy

[gritty flare]

Foch, 183. That’s BAD accuracy lol. E-100 and maus are fine. Gun wise lol

[mental pasture]

@unique scaffold @gritty flare No and No. Those are simply bad ideas

Callibrated shells is important for a lot of tanks, including some heavies and a few TDs.

Instead of deleting CS, would be more interesting to change this equipement for heavies with more than a limit of pen
"Why not for TDs too?" some TDs already pen you well without CS, more pen wouldn't be a problem tho

I hardly remember to hit a cupola in E100, but ok, I never had to hit that part anyways (in E100) @twin egret

[twin egret]

from a distance yeah, up close, no, they'll hit your cupola or what ever

[unique scaffold]

Those tanks that need cali have low penetration as a balancing factor. If you run cali you’re pretty much breaking the way the game should be played.

[mental pasture]

How many times a tank with low pen using CS actually broke your game? I expect you to say "actually I don't know" or "a lot of times... but don't remember"

The values of pen buff are too low to break games, unless if the enemy is a 183 with HESH (just joking, it stills a good pen buff, but not significant enough to make the 183 even more broken)

And about TDs, and some heavies. E100 and jageroo are examples, their AP and HEAT pen are actually good, but the HE pen is kinda bad for it's calliber. It's necessary if you want to use your guns at the limit (ps: I do bully people that uses CS in jageroo, but I honestly understand them)

[gritty flare]

It’s not necessarily important for any tank. You can use either rammer or cali and get away with using both. Cali just adds to much to tanks that shouldn’t have it. Is4 is op, with Cali the heat pen is ridiculous and it shouldn’t have that much pen.

@twin egret up close or not the foch has the worst gun at tier x, it’s gun is bad. Up close you can shoot and it will still hit dirt, it’s ridiculous. Those are bad guns lol.

[deft owl]

@unique scaffold Imagine crying about calibrated shells but not enhanced armor.

[mental pasture]

I agree that CS makes heavies with unnecessary pen get even more pen, so what I'll purpose

• CS being replaced by a new equipement, we can discuss what would be an actual good replacement for it
• This change won't happen to high calliber guns (150mm or +), TDs and auto-loaders, since every shot counts for those and they need all the pen they can have
• This change will only happen to tanks that don't fit in the conditions above and have more than 330mm pen in prammo or more than 255mm pen in normal shell

[low cliff]

Do people actually run enhanced on non-superheavy tanks lmao

[unique scaffold]

I’ve both seen and had someone try to explain to me why they ran enhanced armor on a patton

[drowsy plaza]

Baiting shots with turret

In pubs you can get away with doing a lot of things oddly.

It becomes a question of do you think you will bounce 1 more round with EA / game than you would without.

I’ve setup a lot of tanks back and forth with EA versus IA. Most of my tanks now have EA

At least in 9-10 meds and heavies.

Making someone fire prammo to pen is usually worth the loss of Hp from IA since the 3.9 prammo alpha change.

Now for tournaments I don’t do that in most tanks - as I just assume most will be slamming gold at me.

[quasi axle]

Enhanced armor good on prog actually

[jagged crescent]

^and HoRi

[stray verge]

Calibrated is either completely useless or boosts your heat pen to ludicrous amounts, rammer is more consistent

[versed tide]

Meh I’m a cs simp but whatever

[mental pasture]

What do you think about E100 HE pen? Kinda low for it's tier and calliber, you know? What if you used CS to boost this pen, but also boost the HEAT and AP pen? Seems incredible, right?

[nimble zodiac]

183 with CS is also pretty good

But, I'm talking about HESH, not HEAT

[stray verge]

@nimble zodiac @nimble zodiac you basically got the point

[north stream]

Js boost T54 tier 9 Russian lines start up speed, it’s really slow at starting!!

[turbid smelt]

it is above average

[stark cape]

The t54 is very fast with its top engine. You go at 56 like nothing

[ionic pebble]

No but turning is shit and acceleration too

[misty herald]

make maus 30 kmh faster for madness

[leaden flare]

its turning isnt bad either heavys just dont get medium truning speeds for obvious reasons
WZ113 has horrible turning speed and thats about it all other have a decent turning speed

[ionic pebble]

I don't mind, the tank is still good, but compared to the E5 it's spinning slowly (which is balance thing,and thats great)
I don't see a reason to nerf penetration on the IS-4, you could make it worse on all other T10 heavys that have HEATs.
If a person has a skill, it is not a problem to destroy IS-4, but given that 95% of the players in this game are monkeys after lobotomy, then I understand that someone has a problem with that.

[north stream]

Somebody agrees with me

[iron coral]

The most underrated Tier 6 Light Tank M24 Chaffee needs a buff

[unique scaffold]

U know there's a reason why penetration is limited and you can't just have 1000. In other words you're saying:
My aim and positioning are trash so I'll put cs and have 420mm pen in my TD or 380mm in autoloader to ignore all the armor and pen Mauses in upper plates.

I play t22 a lot without cs and never had any problems with penning any tank even if it's "only" 300mm. It's just bad players who use pen boost to compensate for no skill.

[vital basalt]

well,CS gives more effective dpm tbh,because you can pen with AP and deal more damage than prammo so i'd say think before saying "It's just bad players who use pen boost to compensate for no skill."

[teal palm]

Personally I run cals on T62 because having that extra pen in this HT Meta is nice

[distant river]

CS gives you more effective dpm if you put yourself in bad situations (in general). It's a matter of comparing whether you want to perform a little better in all situations with rammer or better in bad situations with CS.

Personally I only run CS on things with HESH, tanks I struggle to play well or things that get a huge boost from CS like the IS4 and E5 for example.

[unique scaffold]

You using cs proves that "bad players need it" @vital basalt https://www.blitzstars.com/player/eu/LastAFK

[sudden granite]

So you don’t have a single tank with cs? i found the t22/t62/140 can pen the e100’s turret with gold when on cs, otherwise not so thats why I use it on em

Most of the times you are right though that gold pen saved me some times when there was no other possibilities but face him behind some enemy grave

[unique scaffold]

Imo if you're facing e100 frontally in a med you're doing something wrong.

[novel depot]

I use calibrated shells only with long reload guns without pen (T49)

[versed tide]

Lmao you can’t always not face heavies in the front while playing meds

[teal palm]

Surprisingly yes

[unique scaffold]

On paper all looks good, but considering your casual random battle is 3 TD 3 clippers and 1 E100 do you really need to fight that 1 E100 or there're other priorities?

[mental pasture]

Ah, the classic T-22 main that thinks he/she is superior than others.

Seems fair to me. Also, anyone need to be a genious to know "hey don't fight E100 in a medium" because as you said; on paper all looks good.

But considering that battles are completely random as are the situations. Sooner or later you may find that E100, but what if the E100 finds you instead? This happens a lot in city maps

[remote oriole]

It’s almost impossible to avoid a certain tank considering the size of the maps

[sudden granite]

Literally the first game I played without CS the first enemy I had to face hulldown was an e100 cuz It was dynasty’s pearl

[versed tide]

Plus as some point your going to be fighting a heavy and probably frontally, when that happens your 300 heat pen does absolutely f***ing nothing

[leaden flare]

middleburg is a good example everyone goes hill so how do you avoid the heavy ?
they are all around the same positions on that map if there is no other tank to shoot youll have to go for the heavy

the time you need to flank around without getting spotted usually is enough to loose you the game because the enemy might push and your team isnt reliable

[unique scaffold]

If there was some decent medium tank streamer you'd be surprised there's more to do than all one side and how easy it is to only fight the targets you want to fight. If you wanna use CS in med you can as well take a heavy.
High dpm, ability to 1v1 enemy med efficiently and perma tracking shouldn't be sacrificed to fight E100 frontallly lol

[distant river]

There is always, always the option of rotating and shooting a useful tank.

An E100 is basically the best example of why you would use CS in a Russian med. For it to be worthwhile you need:

1. To be in such a bad position you have to engage the E100 frontally. That means you have to have no choice of flanking, rushing, shooting a different target or watching the E100 get distracted.
2. The E100 to be in such a position so you cannot shoot its lower plate or turret sides but can shoot its flat turret front (once it starts getting angled CS med prammo sees red as well)
3. The E100 to be exposing on a reload (otherwise you are trading and losing heavily)

It's not a common situation is it? You also have control of your positioning so it depends on how often you make mistakes there

[winged barn]

That's great and all until an e100 goes med hunting. What are you supposed to do, run to the other side of the map where the rest of the enemy heavies are?

[scarlet fjord]

you need to get on your meds if you think its balanced lol

[versed tide]

Look I’m not the best player and never will be and I make a lot of mistakes but I cannot preform as well with a lot of my tanks without cs plus what are you going to do about a heavy hunting you not just randomly appearing

[unique scaffold]

Play what you want I'm just stating that cs kill the initial purpose of tank classes and imposes wrong playstyle on players that use them. You should actually only care about this if you wanna become very good at the game.

[distant river]

If you have another teammate then it's easy to split his focus and the cheeks are grey, and this is assuming the lower plate isn't a target as well. If you can't split his focus because there are too many reds covering you then that means the other side of the map is relatively empts and free to rotate through

If you are in a situation where you are in a 1v1 with an E100 then you can rotate and win a 7v6 on the other side of the map before the E100 gets anywhere close to helping the battle. You might not get the damage in but you will be much more likely to win.

[mental pasture]

Less 0.30 secs of reload is very good, but sometimes it's worthless if you can't pen easily even an E50M turret

[scarlet fjord]

and no point in arguing if noobs run calibrated or not
at least my opinion on that topic is that it severely depends on the playstyle and mainly of the tank ur running
like an IS-8 needs rammer because its a tier 9 med with more pen than tier 9 TD's at least most of them so in this case this tank needs rammer always imo
tanks like 62a needs calibrated because you get in a very strong position that stops your enemy from doing anything until they get rid of you so you need to have effective DPM to shoot tanks u wouldnt be able to normally pen
having the ability to pen a tank instead of reloading not even half a second faster is more valuable because even if you bounce once with rammer ur DPM boost and more gets removed from your damage output relocating gives off the spot your holding which is too valuable in certain maps but if u run your 62a in a different playstyle that doesnt involve spamming hull down to prevent the enemy reds from playing properly then u can run rammer
tanks like 183 need calibrated cuz its HESH needs to peen as often as possible and standard round needs pen buff cuz no gold pen round for pen boost
etc etc
u can run a rammer on E5 and use your DPM on the tank to be a damage dealer
or run calibrated shells get on a hill and be able to pen most of the enemy heavies on the turret pretty much everywhere with broken HEAT and expose for almost no time to aim on weak spots and probably not get penned back
winning this way is the "safer but slower" way this is how i like to think about the loadout

[mental pasture]

"It severely depends on the playstyle and mainly of the tank ur running"
Wise words

Running CS in E100 is actually very smart. What's the point of having a big gun if your HE pen isn't that big? You're maximizing your chances to land a HE in an enemy and also makign your pen much higher.

Less reload is very useful in a big gun, but E100 have enough armor to hold a bit more

Harb is a wise man, allow me to follow you in twitter (jk)

T95 needs no buffs @Blitzwing_sm#1432

[teal stratus]

when will wg buff the t95 @mental pasture have u played it?

[full token]

It’s been either #1 or #2 for TDs in their charts, so it’s not getting buffed rn

[sudden granite]

All I have to say:
It’s good as it is, you just need to know where to drive to be useful

[junior gate]

Tell me what ur winrate is so I can understand ur anger more in depth

[teal stratus]

thats in gravity mode in normal its as good as useless, again have any of you driven it?

[scarlet fjord]

@junior gate ah yes cant counter the argument so now we switch to show me ur winrate lol

[versed tide]

Oh it’s time to stat shame

[full token]

He is trying to find out if you’re worthy of having a conversation with him

[turbid smelt]

that was such sick move! me a fan

[sudden granite]

:DDD

[turbid smelt]

just noticed your toon in tort
going weeee

xd

Bob Ross reincarnated

[sudden granite]

Ye I tried working with multiple layers in my art, each getting discovered the more you look at it
Xdddd

[mental pasture]

Yeah, because WR clearly change the facts, you know?

If a 45%wr man says "Annihilator is kinda OP, Heavy HP buff was unnecessary and Jagdpanther 2 is better than Ferdinand" it all become lies?

[remote oriole]

Yes, because they are lies

[vital basalt]

wdym,Anhhilator is balanced,heavy hp was definetely necessary and ferdinand is definetely the best tier 8 Td

[turbid smelt]

yep yep
Annhilator actually needs buff

[versed tide]

Only a 60% uni would know that

[nimble zodiac]

I disagree, I’m only 59.52%

[winged barn]

That's why both you and I don't know

[nimble zodiac]

What's an Annihilator? I only play tier 10 😎

Why play when not 60% 😭

[ionic pebble]

Maus needs buff.
Not buff armor,not buff mobility,just atleast DPM...

[leaden flare]

I slowly but surely think you got no clue how to balance
Yeah 3180 hp and 2,5k DPM isn't enough
You're not supposed to deal DMG

[winged barn]

Bruh, I only play tier 5. Never see these annihilator things.
And imagine being 59% lmao noob

[scarlet fjord]

@ionic pebble I'm gonna show you something
but grab your heart so it doesnt jump out of your chest
ready?

[full token]

50B does more damage than Maus. This means the Maus needs a buff

[nimble zodiac]

Dang that's a pretty high loserate, and average damage taken, definitely begging a buff :p

Who doesn't love guaranteed reduced damage taken?

Besides, it's all in the armor, it doesn't need the damage too

[ionic pebble]

The fact that Maus is not a dmg dealer is clear to me, but nowadays, when everyone shoots golds, not even a angled turret and body will help me not to break me through.
So before I die that the team is behind me and doing nothing, I would like to shoot at least those 3k damage in the meantime.
As for me, I'm not new to this game and I dare say I play pretty well (4k wn8 per month).
Which doesn't change the fact that a half-second reload buff wouldn't do Maus OP or broken.
Why biggest WR?
Because not many bad players play the Maus, a skill is needed to play the Maus well, and many players don't have that in this game.
50B is autoloader. Thats all what can i say,i dont want op 3,5k dpm beast from Maus,but some little buff would be good. Currently, the maus can be used mainly in tournaments, there are a ton of better machines what can somebody use on public (IS-4 etc).

[winged barn]

This causes me mental pain.

There is not a single tier 10 heavy in need of a remote buff. They outperform all of the other classes.

Heavies need nerfs

[scarlet fjord]

if you want to deal more damage try E100
it exchanges its armor profile and sacrifices some hit points for a better damage dealing gun
your probably not doing something right with the maus unfortunately even with gold spam the maus can be troll and pushing with it in the right scenarios can break through a red teams line even if u do get shot u have so much hp's you dont care much
and i recommend platooning with the maus cuz it brings winrate not average damage
if u want damage play a 57 heavy for example
IS-4 and E5 are just in a huge need of nerfing i wouldn't try to compare it to them if u can

[full token]

Graph is for 55-65% players, so it’s the same players on all the tanks

[ionic pebble]

I have IS-4,E5 and T57, so there's no problem with that.
The fact that Maus does not have armor has not been written here, he has both good armor and HP, but Maus is also tank which need great team and what you sometimes encounter cannot be played with much.
The E-100 has a fairly poorly armored turret, but it's also a good machine, I'm not saying no.
The platoon might be the solution, but I don't play much of the platoon, so I don't know.
I just feel like Maus has such a weak cannon for his tier. Which doesn't mean you can't play with it, only the weaker penetration combined with below average dpm makes it more complicated.
Anyway, thanks for the more or less sensible debate and not the screaming yOuR bOt CaNt pLaY MaUs

[leaden flare]

You do well due to reroll MM

[versed tide]

My only issues is the pen tbh

[nimble zodiac]

Maus is an extremophile tank, with loads of HP and the ability to make its armor effective to near impenetrability, and it sacrifices speed and a good gun for that

Not to mention how great it is not to have any cupolas or general super weakspots, just watch your plate angles and you should work it out

@uneven narwhal yes, but you can hide them using cover

[junior gate]

Player that suck at a game tend to complain the most

[uneven narwhal]

Your cheeks are quite easy to pen if people load HEAT

[remote oriole]

Yes, it’s a specialist’s tank so I get why not everyone likes it, but it’s excellent at what it does and in a really sweet spot at the moment

[ionic pebble]

I also had a SU stats in the old account, but I didn't put 3k avg on T10 that's true.
Nick: DeadHunterDave (EU Server) if you want a take a look. It was not played in botMM,becouse in that time i had more than 5k battles before it come to game.
And yes, I didn't play the best here, but I've improved over that time.
But even so, I don't think I'll have a problem putting 3k avg on T10. That's why I've only make 100+ battles on two T10 tanks here and I'm waiting for the rest before I have 5k + battles to be valid.

As for Maus and his armour, I only have a problem with the turret, even though I angle it both the chassis and the turret, so everyone still pierces me next to the cannon cuz cheeks . But I probably won't do much with that anymore. Otherwise, it's armored enough, so I don't want to buff the armor, because that would be absolute nonsense

[versed tide]

It’s not meant to be impenetrable FYI it’s meant to bounce some prem shells and just take damage like a beast

[leaden flare]

you need a lot of time to kill a maus using prammo

[junior gate]

Why don’t they buff everything else

[winged barn]

Then tier 9s have to deal with buffed tier 10

Why don't you just buff tier 9s

Then tier 8s have to deal with buffed tier 9s

Why don't you just buff tier 8

then certain tier 7s will struggle even more, while others will be balanced out

[scarlet fjord]

maybe WG should stop their buff only mentality
and start nerfing tanks

[uneven narwhal]

Someone make a petition lmao

[junior gate]

I mean tbh I don’t struggle in any tank I think as heavies with more hit points as more damage to farm @winged barn but I can see when a good player is driving a solid heavy they can dominate and dictate the battle with a lot of influence

[tame stone]

Give leopard 1 the rh-120 120mm L/44 with 400 alpha? or make an option- higher DPM 105mm L7A3 or lower DPM higher alpha/pen 120mm

[junior gate]

Did the Leo 1 have a 120 mm variant? I’m pretty sure 120mm was on leo2

[tame stone]

yea it did, for testing purposes, its called the Leopard 1 L/44

[stray verge]

the leo a1a1 penetration numbers are honestly too high irl, it has like 390 apfsds(would be apcr in game) pen and 480 heat pen

[drifting depot]

^ after all the Leo 1 is one of the most modern tanks in the game lol

[tame stone]

still in service today lol

[twin egret]

you don't really need to shoot HEAT at the E 100 sometimes? if your gun is really accurate like a T-62A's sometimes you can load APCR instead and shoot that bar that's on top of the turret

[karmic dock]

it's literally braindead tank, the waffle, sit at back, u can't get spotted, u have reticle calibration to have god accuracy, your pen is nice, if you do get spotted, you can't even be HE'd anymore cus of spall liner, enough explanation?

This tank and 183 are most toxic tanks in the game

[autumn zodiac]

Given how I have no idea how this has to do with balance, yes, yes you do.

[nimble zodiac]

So sorry a tank has better camo sitting still rather than moving/shooting :p

[versed tide]

yes you do

[leaden flare]

WT is broken nontheless

[karmic dock]

It was already broken and now it can't be punished cus of spall liner, the balance team is on crack or what?

😂 😂 😂

[distant river]

It is clearly an unpopular tank so the addition of the consumables is very reasonable

[midnight fable]

53% avg win rate = broken?
Hmm.
I guess that means the 11 tier 9 tanks that have a higher wr in #devs-answers answers must be broken too.

Yes. In #devs-answers theres 11 tanks with a higher wr than WT in tier 9.
So apparently those are broken too, including Mauschen and VK 45.02 B.

[full token]

Thats with all the noobs that play. The chart in #devs-answers includes only 55-65wr players unlike this one

[vital basalt]

higher player count=lower stats

[karmic dock]

yes, and 54% for a tank on the average is insane, just compare that to other tanks in tier IX or X, then you will see what is the difference

[versed tide]

the fact that the average player is getting 54% is whats insane

[leaden flare]

reading is hard
people just tend to not read captions of pictures and graphs and everything else where reading matters for comprehension (idk if that last word fits the context)

[versed tide]

this has to do with balance how

[full token]

Reading of the title on tank performance charts

[remote oriole]

My heart breaks reading how people butcher these statistics

[vital basalt]

people think 53% wr is bad because for personal,yea maybe but if its 53.80% among 17k people than its amazing
than there is annhi

[pseudo hedge]

53 WR is still 4,XX % better then the standart player.

[north nimbus]

Make Ferdinand and tiger P go 30 kph forward and 30 kph backward 🗿 funni

[remote oriole]

53% winrate isn’t bad. However, this statistic only regards 55%-65% players (career, most likely). And for 55-65% players, getting 53% in a tank is bad

My fault, I thought that you talked about the stats in #devs-answers

[versed tide]

thats all players tho

[twin egret]

recommend them text to speech

[leaden flare]

are you sure they would understand that
i doubt they even see the captions and you cant just send the graph into a tts or can you since idk

[winged barn]

This.

The 53% that the wt is getting is over the whole playerbase(which should average about 48-9%)
Devs answers is picked from a specific wr bracket.

The two pieces of information are not compatible

[midnight fable]

But, Foch, T95, WZ 111 1-4, Mauschen, VK 45.02 B, Emil 2, Vickers CR, T92E1, AMX 30, Standard B, and T50, according to the chart in #devs-answers perform better in the hands of 55-66% players.
Does that mean all those tanks are broken too? Is Mauschen and VK 45 broken? They have higher wr's than WT.

[nimble zodiac]

tank balance should only consider WR charts when they are extreme aka Emil I release

[midnight fable]

He said to compare to other tanks in tier 9 & 10, so I did.
The WT is good, but it definitely isn't broken.

[nimble zodiac]

They meant tank stats, not WR and dmg stats

[rare sleet]

I never had any problem with maus's gun I love the alpha and the maus isn't a tank meant to deal damage I play maus extra aggressive sponging all the shells from the enemy team, or i play maus as a spearhead in a push and it works really well in my opinion.
Mauses should not be played for damage output but as a shield

[raven dawn]

I like how wg will always ignore the t8 tanks that need a buff.
Vk45.02A? Give it worse armor than some medium tanks yeah it has hitpoints because it's a heavy and traverse speed, but that's all. The tank has generally bad armor
Is2sh. Yeah, it has cheeks, but they're a bit too weak. Yeah the upper hull armor is thick and the tank boasts good speed but judging from the average stats in it i'm guessing it might need some small buffs, mainly making the cheeks... smaller and less vulnerable.
T28. Slow, but that's not really the problem. The problem is the massive hatches that make the tank's armor much less effective, but that's also not the main problem. The frontal armor could use a general improvement. Many tanks will just butter through it with ap. Also you could compare it to the jgtiger 8.8 which boasts in general much better and more effective armor, with higher mobility
The sides of the tank are absolute paper too.
For a tank that's meant to be heavily armored, it in general has poor armor for it's speed.

Centurion? Yeah, compare it to it's premium counterparts that are just plain better, but that's nothing new. The tank is slow,and doesn't have much armor. The gun is just not enough to really conmpensate for these massive weaknesses, mainly being that the turret roof armor on this tank is so awfully thin. This is also backed by the horrendous average damage on this tank being the worst in the entire tier by a massive margin, at least from what's in #devs-answers

How about vk 168.01? The hatch is MASSIVE AND IS LIGHTLY ARMORED, MAKING THE TANK ALMOST COMPLETELY USELESS.
It's supposed to be an extremely heavily armored tank, but it just fails to do so because of that hatch, the same problem on the cheiftain/t95 but the problem being even WORSE than on the vk. Please give them some armor so that people actually need to aim in, please.
Yeah there are alot more weak tanks, and i dont mean to buff all of them, but please try rebalancing tanks,

[versed tide]

Umm the prob of the 168 ain’t the hatch it’s the side armor

[nimble zodiac]

Y'all were saying?

[deft owl]

Vk 168 is worse then Vk100. Its rare to see a tech tree tank performing better then a premium nowadays.

[nimble zodiac]

I don't think you understand how much this thing can play games with big guns

@sharp kelp Lowe is a good tank, no need for a buff, also when did they nerf the speed? o-o

When did they ever nerf it?

[sharp kelp]

Lowe needs a buff if anything they nerfed it’s speed to hell and other things i can’t remember , just annoying

[rare sleet]

Lowe is a great and balanced tank, it’s the pinnacle of what other premiums should be, it has weaknesses but it also has strengths, it makes a lot of credits like the purpose of premium vehicles, Lowe does not need speed, it has workable armor and a great gun, take time to think on how to play the tank and I’m sure you will enjoy it. Personally I have 300+ games 60% win rate in it and I think it’s fantastic @sharp kelp

[nimble zodiac]

It's my favorite tank, over 1k battles in it with 62% WR, the armor is nice, the gun is tier 10 worthy, and of course it has heavy HP, with a super credit coefficient

You can make ridges your trump card

@sharp kelp what tank are you talking about?

[sharp kelp]

I Guess I just was used to it’s speed to get to positions more easily and jiggle when in one on one, (now this next one I realise doesn’t really matter because it’s a rare tank that wotb removed just to sell it back) it’s turning speed is just depressing for high speeds, and Low armour. Yes it’s magazine can dish out 200 dmg, but the turning speed though

[nimble zodiac]

@sharp kelp you must be talking about Luchs, dishing out 180 damage

Be aware though that Luchs has the best DPM in its tier with that high damage per burst output, is fast, and won't often need to turn that much when it plays its autoloader with cover

Being fast means not very good armor, a given for a light tank like this

Also fun fact, it has all tier V modules in a tier IV tank, pretty funny

This man legit typing a college paper

[rare sleet]

Lowe was always very slow, as it has a very weak engine for its weight, but don’t let speed hold you back. Position well and do great things

[full token]

Luchs used to have the same potential clip damage as the tier 5 Leopard. And so did the Pz II G. It was fun for a while

[sharp laurel]

Meanwhile the t46 was rocking around with a tier 5 canon and deleting everyone

[uneven narwhal]

Day 12 of demanding a Smasher and Annihilator nerf

[karmic dock]

Those other tanks do better, purely because they have more armour and hp or speed to move, and because the blitz stars checks the 45-55% wr playerbase,

Theres more than a few that probably try and frontline their waffle, really bringing down the average,

This hasnt got to do with tank balance anymore, just players being clueless bringingmdown the avg

[leaden flare]

WT is insanely broken idk how people actually play that bad in it it's a t9 tank you are considered somewhat bad among good players when doing sub 3k avg in

[karmic dock]

To play waffle well, you dont need much skill, just sit st back lead shots and click

[covert marlin]

dear devolopers: if this isn't a sign that the tank should be nerfed before release. well then I don't know what is

[latent snow]

they always nerf tanks before release, you don't need to tell them. just look at the vickers light, amx 54, progetto etc

[scarlet fjord]

yes but all 3 of those tanks were released as overcooked ones

[unique scaffold]

Hello, I have one little question to ask, can be Pz II J buffed little bit please ? ap shell : damage 20 apcr shell : damage 15 I mean, the pen is awful on standard ammo 44 , and on the apcr is great pen but more damage would be great on apcr too, thanks for reading, Im just asking, so I hope it nevermind

[novel depot]

This thing is as OP as Ke Ni Otsu lol

[unique scaffold]

I just mean this thing doesnt stand any chance against tier IV ... everytime when I start battle, always some IV tanks and they always pen me... matilda is beast, all Tank destroyers... So please, buff the damage on ap shell on 20 and apcr shell on 15 damage or remove Tier IV Match Making from Pz II J, because... Its pointless to play against tier 4 without gold... so buff the damage please or remove tier 4 MM on this tank, I would be more happy, thanks for reading

[karmic dock]

They are in testing for a reason, lol

[winged barn]

Why do they even need to test it? You can tell it is broken just by looking at the stats of the tank.
hmmm yes, this broken tank is broken

[leaden flare]

yeah but i still dont see the reason to put them into testing as obviously broken as they are
it doesnt take a PhD to see that Mi Vi Yoh was absurdly OP even before it came into testing same with other tanks like lt 432
id understand if theyd put a tank into testing and its slightly OP but the trend is more likely put the tank in testing with absurd stats to hype it or smth else idk and let the testers enjoy the tank while ruining the game for everyone else and then nerf it accordingly on release so people get it to realise its just okayish

[novel depot]

Do you use premium ammo?

[karmic dock]

I agree that it doesn't make sense how good they are and testers can just get easy stats in the tanks before it's released as reasonably balanced, where it's harder, but I don't care too much ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[unique scaffold]

no, I just want that pz II J needs remove from tier 4 MM, its stand no chance against tier 4... I always see matildas, B1, Tank destroyers... Im sick of that.

[quasi axle]

Complaining about pen but hasn't tried using prammo :L

[tribal moss]

Why are you even clubbing in the II J? Kinda seems well deserved.

[full token]

You don’t even know if he has higher tier tanks

[remote oriole]

That’s what I’ve been saying for the past year or longer. At the start testing was already more a show than anything useful, however at least Wargaming seemed to try to use it for testing purposes but I guess after a while they realised that having a bunch of unicums play a tank that nobody knows yet tells you about as much about how to balance the tank as throwing a stone tells you about the aerodynamics of a feather

[novel depot]

Use prammo then lol

[unique scaffold]

I use prammo, but Im talking about this... every tier 4 can pen my bath ( weakspot )... I always encounter in battle tank destroyers, m7, matilda, b1, and many IV tanks... its unfair... remove tier IV MM from Pz II J please, its unplayable... or buff ap damage from 15 > 20 and apcr damage 12 > 15

[scarlet fjord]

i like the idea of testing a tank in pubs but the way WG executes it makes the whole idea irrelevant

[autumn zodiac]

Not really, the data you get from experienced players, or a over average players can give you more accurate feedback as they'll know core game mechanics.

If a tank performs bad in the hands of an experienced player it will say plenty, also there's generally a consistent average among better players so you'll find it easier to gauge if a tank is over performing

[remote oriole]

You don’t need to know anything about core mechanics to realise that these tanks are op. In fact, the only time when knowing about game mechanics will help you is when you try to come up with playstyles for a tank, and I am confident that the Wargaming balance apartment and their supertesters have enough knowledge to get a good idea themselves

[winged barn]

Sure, but why do you even need the data?

You can tell its gonna overpreform before anyone even plays it. Testing is great, sure, but the tanks have to actually be worthy of testing, and not be blatantly over or under powered

[autumn zodiac]

The one thing I will agree with is that the tanks shouldn't count for or against Players stats because in most cases of the tanks coming in overcooked it becomes a massive stat pad

[winged barn]

The way I see it is a 183 with...
Armor
Accuracy
Mobility
Full turret
Gun depression

At the cost of losing an inconsistent HE round

Yea... testing

The bad gun is somewhat worthy of testing, as it turns it into a tank that trades gun stats for armor compared to the t57. but why would you use the bad gun

[raven dawn]

i was gonna mention that but not enough space to type
that isn't viable in alot of situations

and the vk45.02A is just taking a t7 tank putting it in tier 8 and then calling it balanced

also i bet anni and smasher will never be nerfed bc wg's too afraid

[tribal moss]

Dude...
Don't 👏 seal club 👏 if :👏you 👏 whine 👏 about 👏 the II j 👏 meeting 👏 T4s

[raven dawn]

wasnt it already buffed, certainly needed one beforehand

[safe rapids]

Lol, it's ok. Just push medium side, it has more armor now than it used to.

[winged barn]

Nope, it does not have more armor. In its current form it's just a bad panther 2

[mental pasture]

I as a Löwe player just feel bad about a little thing: they say that Löwe's turret is strong, but once you find an enemy heavy (that idn't T32) it probably can penetrate it easily as like you show on this print

I'm not saying that it needs a buff, but I feel like: bruh, I thought it was a hulldown heavy

[raven dawn]

it is if you actually move your tank like any hulldown heavy is supposed to
lowe is good but alot of it's players r apes so yeah. you aren't kranvagn where you just sit still and enemies just fail to pen

[sudden lance]

Why is there no panzer h veriant on mobile why can It just stay and not be limited edition

[full token]

Do you even know if he has higher tier tanks? With what he says it’s a little likely he is new to the game and purchased the tank as it was sold recently

[unique scaffold]

I have Shinobi, but I think it needs more credit coefficiency, it must be higher than Angry connor - 230% shinobi have 226% so Shinobi should have 250%

[novel depot]

Why, its already high

[unique scaffold]

yes but it must be higher than angry connor

[tribal moss]

Why tho? It's a steaming heap of garbage anyways, only the credits are good

[rare sleet]

Except It has 226% coefficient with 3.5 repair cost, while angry connor has 230% with 7 repair cost.

Therefore it still makes alot more credits

[full token]

He owns the tank so it must be better than the tanks he doesn’t have

[mental pasture]

Idk why people say that Vk 72.01 K idn't that good, I only see players that use it as meta

"Player skill =/= good tank lol" I know, but it actually looks very good in wise hands

In city maps or with tall buildings it looks exceptional, I'd like to own one but the grinding looks so boring, mostly at tier 8

[remote oriole]

Because it is excellent if you play it right

[scarlet fjord]

the testers opinions will be very bias and opinionated rather than logical
WG should have their own team testing vehicles and deciding on how well balanced it is imo

[full token]

They avoided testing for Annihilator and Smasher and look how balanced it ended up. I don’t think WG is better at doing it themselves. Some of their other balance changes have also been a bit confusing.

[unique scaffold]

• farm credits fast and easy * :DDD

[karmic dock]

Vk is drive forward get close and chonk enemies with 90 mm HE pen, u can pen e5 side etc., its opa tonk

[mental pasture]

@mental pasture (pinging myself to allow pinging others) I like Harb's opinion a lot, but you just said a fact. I can't argue against facts.

I don't think that the heavy HP buff was intentionally unbalanced @remote oriole

@scarlet fjord Heavy HP buff?

They're typing a lot, it scares me

[remote oriole]

That was very likely intentional. WG has shown many times that they are entirely capable of balancing new tanks, even if they include new mechanics

[scarlet fjord]

those tanks are imbalanced on purpose i dont know if you realized it yet but WG use those types of tanks as money printing machines
you think a company like WG cant find people that can tell a tier 7 tank has tier 9 Characteristics? you think WG didnt know how to balance them? lol
WG is more than capable of perfectly balancing tanks like certain tech tree ones (if they wanted)

@mental pasture the heavy hit point buff was what games like to use to change the meta
and bring back older players while obtaining newer ones
i see this in many games i cant say anything specific but certain games over nerf and over buff lets say certain heroes way too much every few patches that completely changes the meta to keep the game different
only WG for their own reasons which i dont know yet like to change the meta very very slowly over a few years ( i guess cuz they dont want to change the playstyle of tanks often)
at least thats my grasp on it
they know heavies arent balanced they just want a heavy meta right now like there was a med meta before in the past and i kinda agree on their point certain heavies or most of them felt lackluster compared to other classes but WG overbuffed them so this is the result

[remote oriole]

The heavy hp buff was designed to break up the equality between the different classes of tanks that was partly caused by powercreep, partly by conscious decisions of WG to bring the tank classes more in line.

Instead of having mediums (as allrounders that need quite a bit of skill) they decided to make it more approachable for beginners by taking heavies as the main class. They are now capable of fulfilling all relevant roles on the battlefield better than any other class, but the other classes are still viable but require even more skill than before.

I think that the imbalance Wargaming created here was not only intentional, but needed as the game turned very stall and repetitive due to the relatively high degree of balance. I made this argument before and it didn’t turn out to be very popular, but I am a firm believer that balance is directly proportional to repetitiveness, and that repetitiveness is an essential inhibitor of fun (it is noteworthy that I define balance by the effectiveness of one tank in a one on one comparison to all other tanks and then how well it fits into the current dominant playstyle (also called meta)).

[mental pasture]

Oh god... give me some time, I gotta read 2 big texts

Damn, I have to agree with both
I mean, I thought that lack of balance was extremely bad, but welp. Apparently it's good, but with a few exceptions that we all can't deny.

Damn, they all went away. I'm talking alone. Again. Oh, hi again Harb.
Well, balance-discussion went quiet again, ans I feel like a clown now. Time to wait some more hours until this chat heat up once again.

[remote oriole]

I’m thinking about the topic of keeping the game fun. There is so much to consider, and balance is just one part of it that isn’t necessarily needed to keep the game fun, especially because it’s kind of controversial

Ways to keep the game fun are mechanics, game modes, grinding rewards, match rewards, meta changes and depth of strategy to name a few that come to my mind.

Balance is something I regard as a sensitive parameter. It’s easy to overdo it in either direction and it’s even harder to predict how the balance will change when you tinker around with it. I think it is obvious that the Annihilator is making no positive contribution at all to the game, but a bit of unbalance (the unbalance that creates the meta) is something that can help the game broadening the ways it can be played as without actually introducing something new to the game.

For instance, if WG wants to and thinks that the players will like it, they can start a camping meta just by changing some stats for all tanks. Or they can make a yolo meta or whatever meta they like. Changing the balance gives them the liberty to make more of the game. The important part is just that the balance shifts at some pace, because otherwise you gain nothing from imbalance

[mental pasture]

Ah hi again Lux. Well, but don't that a big lack of balance is big? I mean, there's no fun in fighting an Annihilator, you know?

[drifting depot]

it kind of is... getting that one game with stupidly op/just GOOD tanks in the enemy team and nothing in yours is just so annoying, even worse when you have guys with no clan nor avatar in your team, usually you just get curb stomped 7-0

[unique scaffold]

Please Buff Pz II J ap shell damage 15 > 20 and apcr shell damage 12 > 15 so it could be more fair against tier 4

[full token]

It’s a tier 3 tank. You’re not supposed to be on the level as tier 4 tanks

[wispy arrow]

Isn’t pz II J the crazily OP one?

[nimble zodiac]

Yup, it’s OP, I think I can master it 50% of the time

@unique scaffold ah yes, jump in the shark tank

[unique scaffold]

Sheridan with missles back 🙏

Pz II J stands no chance against IV matilda or tank destroyers..... I want removal tier IV MM from pz II J please every tier 4 can pen me its not fun.....

[vital basalt]

almost no tier 3 tank can stand against tier 4s like matilda or B1 so lets buff all the tier 3s

[full token]

Tank destroyers are meant to be better at penetrating well armoured tanks, especially when they’re a tier lower

[nimble zodiac]

@unique scaffold it stands a fair chance with APCR, use it

Also name another tier 3 that has a better chance bouncing tier 4 shells

Pz. II J is overpowered, it only makes sense that tanks a tier above should stomp it, it’s a death call to enemies in tier 2 and 3.

[mental pasture]

Pz. II J is as OP as KV-220 BT

When the tank is on it's tier or bellow, it's extremely OP, but when it's bottom tier the tank just becomes a cute kitty cat

[unique scaffold]

I have small idea for balancing low tier 1-5 MM , all tanks in this tier will fight against the same tier, because tier 4 against tier 5 isnt fair so tier 1 MM vs tier 1 MM tier 2 MM vs tier 2 MM tier 3 MM vs tier 3 MM tier 4 MM vs tier 4 MM tier 5 MM vs tier 5 MM - balanced

[versed tide]

How about you don’t seal club and try to progress into the game plus there isn’t enough players at low tiers to do that. @unique scaffold quadruple you mean

[nimble zodiac]

How to make queue times triple 101

[unique scaffold]

Breaking news match maker now taking double the time for ques blitz players stunned as to why but suggested it anyways

[remote oriole]

How to completely disconnect and make the entire techtree baseless because it makes no sense to progress through brackets, but to progress in one bracket before going to the next

[unique scaffold]

petition to add back these type of provisions to all low tier tanks. Im sick of that I cant have it... because my pz II J is too slow.... I cant buy green and red gasoline and have chocolate...... its stupid that it was removed.... please bring it back :(((((( its boring to play low tier without provisions.... I want my pz II J to be more mobility and other low tier tanks too, please , whos with me ?

[mental pasture]

I like to seal club with my Groß, but not that much to want those consumables back.

You're not supposed to still at low tier, but if you do it, then do it at your own risk!

[unique scaffold]

I enjoyed playing all low tier tanks back in the days 2015 2016 but Im not very skilled playing at tier 6-10 but I really want back these provisions to all low tier tanks...

[unique scaffold]

you can keep nerfed and removed tanks wargaming, but please, atleast add back provisions, Its so bad without it, I want my Pz II J to be more movable, its so slow, I dont play high tier because Im bad at it, I always played low tier, never played high tier like 8-10

[full token]

Every tank has it that way

[deft owl]

Provisions are removed for tanks to run cheaper at low tiers.

[stray verge]

If you cannot adapt to higher tiers...

[unique scaffold]

Im still mad that update five.five , it ruined fun, gameplay, everything, why it had to be done ? why ? New players cant be stuck in low tier forever, they must go forward to hight tiers... its stupid... why removing and nerfing so many tanks ?

[nimble zodiac]

Understand that provisions won't help you that much in the Pz. II J, which already is an OP tank, and you should learn to capitalize on its premium ammunition against higher tiers

They actually buffed the lower tiers a lot since 5.5

[unique scaffold]

You say new players cant be stuck in low tier forever but that’s exactly what the update combatted also your an older player by what your saying and you also said higher tiers are too hard for you...

[sudden path]

I personally think that tier 10 is the most fun tier
So 5.5 is irrelevant to me

[unique scaffold]

Im still mad and sad that Alexandra did this... she ruined my beloved game 😭

[nimble zodiac]

She's the community manager, as far as I know, and didn't have much, if at all, input in those changes

Besides, the point is not to stay in low tiers until you get sick of it, you progress into the higher tiers, adapt, and gain skill along the way, that's how this game was designed

[crimson flax]

Hi. I have returned to playing the game a couple of weeks ago. I see there is something wrong with the team balance in general - I had MANY games where the outcome was often 7:0 or 7:1 etc. (either on my side or opponents). I can send a number of replays showing this if WarGaming wants. From time to time it may happen or can even be fun (when winning 😉 ), but... I feel like there is a sort of a problem. Best regards

[unique scaffold]

atleast add back provisions to low tiers, and I will stop hating update five.five I need to improve my tanks with red and green gasoline and food, the first devoloper made it good but this devoloper removed it, its so depressive 😭 I dont like playing high tier , its boring really 😦 I played during 2015 2016 only low tier and I even didnt know what seal clubing mean, I got informed in 2018 what seal clubing means, but seriously, she couldnt touch the T1E6 , it was so great tank... its boring now...🤮

[nimble zodiac]

Bruh, high tier is more engaging than low tier...

[dreamy oak]

I mean in the end people should play what is fun for them no?

[nocturne mauve]

In low tiers every tank is the same

[full token]

He doesnt seem to be having fun at lower tiers either

[quasi axle]

Yeah cuz he thinks 2j is bad :V

[twin egret]

okay then dissolve it, we don't care about matchmaking complaints in this channel

[pseudo hedge]

I could improve my Winrate quit a bit on the last 3 weeks.

[full token]

I’ve been getting a nice win streak today. All above 50wr for my teams, and the enemies are all below 50wr with an occasional 50wr player

[versed tide]

Lol

[mental pasture]

A lot of weirdos without pfp complaining about non-sense things 👀

[nimble zodiac]

I failed to notice that pattern

[unique scaffold]

Well, give us back all removed tech tree tanks + again buff them and add back provisions and consumables. Its really getting boring this game. update 5.5 sucks.

[nimble zodiac]

If you've had the pre-5.5 tanks before, you can get them back for gold, and in your interest, they're rather cheap

[unique scaffold]

You would have 18k gold which is a pretty amazing trade for a bunch of tier 2s and 3s also lol pantoflouee

[dense walrus]

Why wouldn't you trust Pantoufleee YouTube polls over actual player counts?

[unique scaffold]

I also like how it’s not even about 5.5 or any other issue just “blitz gets boring” from some guy who got rejected from CC

[thick rover]

ooof

[mental pasture]

Why a pool about the game being boring would be related to seal clubbing? That's the question that would make critical damage to him

[sudden path]

Yes trust a bunch of pantof Simps about the state of the game given their lord and saviors feelings about the game

[foggy aurora]

Well it’s not like those players who voted aren’t part of the player base

[unique scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7Vx1uj1dRE&ab_channel=WorldofTanksBlitz come all to dislike this video. I want my MS-1 and LolTraktor back 😭

[toxic raptor]

its not good to rely on polls from people who present a certain view on a game. lately, pantouf has been more negative about the game and so has his community.

[mental pasture]

• Sneakily begins to grab credit card and waste 500 Euros in a tank *

[raven dawn]

5.5 update is the most infamous update and got a extremely negative backlash from what i know but what i dont know is if it improved the amount of new players staying

there are alot of very infamous things that most people would like a change on like
smasher
annihilator
update 5.5
crates
and some less infamous
extremely costly xmas events

Balancing (very powerful tanks compared to very underperforming tanks)

the largest problem with smasher/anni nerf is that they're played so incredibly often and may recieve backlash,
definetly not KV2 removal backlash where most people approve of it staying but just from delusional people who say it's balanced or ppl who somehow can only comprehend using op tanks

[mental pasture]

5.5, in my sight, was WG's trying to support players using higher tiers. Seal clubbing is less funny if there's less variety to fight. I support most of the changes in 5.5 but with some excuses.

The tier 5-7 "removed" from that update should've stayed, the actual variety of gameplays starts in those tiers.

There's only 2 gameplays in tier 3-4

• "I have pew pew gun, so I should go frontline"
• "I have big boom gun, so I should go frontline"
• "I am Alecto, a SU, a Marder or a tiny boi, so I should camp"

Tier 1-2 have only 1 playstyle

• "I have pew pew gun. I go frontline. I do nothing. I die."

In playstyles there was never an actual variety. That's why I do support 5.5 about the tiers 1-4.

[raven dawn]

yes people seal club alot less but note that there where enough experience players competing against each others in lower tier battles to the point where they really just came to have fun in a tiny tank, this is a problem though because new players will be annihilated so yeah that's somewhat justified, but they could have still kept variety, i mean everyone who had the tanks pre 5.5 can just continue using them so that's not really the problem, they did it to streamline the upgrade process for new players which wasnt really neccessary imo

[frail silo]

Do any of you realize he is most likely just trolling?

[full token]

Maybe, but sometimes theyre arent trolling

[willow hawk]

Do any of you*

[frail silo]

Thanks.

[steady crest]

Oh, so this is balance discussion? Let me make a joke: Annihilator

[leaden flare]

Joke isn't funny when brought up every single day
The game just gets boring over time especially towards the end when you basically have all tech tree tanks researched or like some other basically got all tanks even the Prems and collectors
You don't have any like late game content in this game and I couldn't imagine how it would look like tbh

[uneven narwhal]

Day 13 of demanding a Smasher and Annihilator nerf

[unique scaffold]

update five.five : balancing for new players . also wargaming : HEHEHEHEHEHE SMASHER AND ANNIHILATOR GO BOOOOOOMM

[pseudo hedge]

wow how original.

[unique scaffold]

I would love this function in future update : buff all tier 3 so they cant encounter tier 4 MM because 2x Matilda platoon isnt very fair against tier 3... Im sick of that

[violet sedge]

@uneven narwhal that's not going to happen but what they can do is don't let people platoon with another smasher/anni.

[uneven narwhal]

That could work
No Smasher and Annihilator in Platoons at all

[unique scaffold]

Wow.

[violet sedge]

You know apart from tank being completely op I hate the fact that many players are farming aces with that tank 1 out of 2 games are ace tanker due to the small player base...

[mental pasture]

@frail silo yeah, i did think about this

Quick question, "conplaining" have an N before P, right? I guess yes
Nevermind, stupid question

[unique scaffold]

Easy credits, dont need any tier 8 premium

[unique scaffold]

This kind of MM Pz II J needs. no tier 4 MM anymore.... no more alecto with boom gun, no su85b, no matilda, no other TDS and other IV,s...

You do know your username is still visible despite trying to hide it right

[leaden flare]

funny thing he cries about smasher but has over 1k battles in his smasher
so over 1/6 of his current battles he did in smasher
hes the typical sealclubber avg tier is below 5 and Wr upper 60% for those tiers

[unique scaffold]

I also like how he whines that high tier is too hard for him even though he only has double digit battles on his tier 10s

I know I had one account with Ke-Ni Otsu which was created in 2015 and bought in the tech tree , just like chinu kai was in tech tree, then I uninstalled the game and account was gone, but alexandra matush dont will feel to help me, even with help of ip adress and internet provider and city, im just low tier enjoyer and sad kid...

[scarlet fjord]

Nerf heavies
except a couple

[novel depot]

VK 45 03

What about tanks like 50B? it's almost a medium

[toxic cove]

make meds great again

[leaden flare]

alexandra isnt the one you should contact for things like that

• the support is there for a reason and people with a brain know that
  your acc is either linked to your apple ID, google play or whatever u used
• if you havent linked it it should still be on the device i guess or its just ur fault for not linking it to anything
  If its steam you can recover the pw via E-mail - you can even recover the email somehow
  And all that by reading into it a bit you dont even need to ask people for that common sense usually does the job to find such info

[unique scaffold]

Well Chi Nu Kai was in shop too, then it was in tech tree, Meadsy said it in one of his videos

[prisma jetty]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but are you saying you bought the Ke-Ni Otsu in the tech tree?
Ke-Ni Otsu was never in the tech tree, only the shop.

[unique scaffold]

Chi-Nu Kai was in the shop in september 2015, then it was removed from shop and later december 2015 in tech tree for 2100 gold

[slow epoch]

hi i think the T30 HP should be buffed it sees tier ten and has same hp as a tiger 1

[minor minnow]

It’s a TD

[quasi axle]

Tiger I is a heavy heavies have big hp pools

[vital basalt]

yes its a TD but its like yageroo or E3,its TD/Heavy hybrid

[slow epoch]

sure , Jagtiger,
Tortoise has 1800 tho ok

[full token]

Tortoise doesn’t get a turret

[slow epoch]

ok thanks for replying any way

[uneven arrow]

I wonder will wargaming ever add 105mm M4 on M4A3E2 Sherman Jumbo because it got really terrible gun after being nerfed, I feel that it would be balanced with premium tier 6 or tier 7, it wouldn’t super good due to long reloading but it got good HE and HEAT pen just like old day in blitz. 76mm is okay but it got really bad reload, it will be fun to play with collecting tanks with old guns which will bring joy from old day, I hate to see all my collectors tanks sitting in garage for few years unlike it used to bring good memories.

[slow epoch]

As for the smasher annihilator problem, don't touch them lol I love the smasher I've had it since it first come out cost and me £28.99, and I've done over 10,000 games in it, the annihilator is fun too, As for people coming up against 2 of them all I can say it's a bit of a challenge you can overcome them if you use your head,

[leaden flare]

^ disgusting for obvious reasons

[remote oriole]

We did it boys, imbalance is no more

[full token]

Wow so easy. Why didn’t I think of that

[violet sedge]

😳 @slow epoch

[slow epoch]

hi, why the sad face

[full token]

He just realized that he wasted years trying to find the secret to defeating the Annihilator and Smasher

[versed tide]

Just kill the smasher before it kills u it’s so ez nubs

[rare sleet]

just don't play t7 ez

[slow epoch]

you got it mate. or tier 6 and 8 🙂

[scarlet fjord]

Standard B: 350 alpha auto reloading mechanism
T54E1: 310 alpha auto loader
Standard B: Gets 105 HEP pen
T54E1: Doesn't get any HE at all
Gj wargaming 189 IQ

[novel depot]

that's how wargaming works

[rare sleet]

T54E1 is good though love the clip dump

[vital basalt]

K91:100mm gun,350alpha
T54E1:105mm gun,310 Alpha

[novel depot]

sometimes damage isn't the same if caliber is the same (sheridan has a 152 mm and so is 268, while 268 does 80 more damage)

[leaden flare]

for the obvious reason of it beeing a light

[novel depot]

I just wanted to say that you can have different alpha on the same caliber

[versed tide]

Just depends on balancing

[autumn zodiac]

The gun just got buffed

[raven dawn]

average smasher/anni supporter
55%wr
only plays smasher and anni
only has wr because smasher and anni
cannot survive without op tank

[unique scaffold]

I respect ppl who only play OP tanks instead of complaining. Myself I only play t22

I want an side armor buff to the Fv215b

[twin egret]

^^ to 101mm exactly to the armour behind the tracks

[scarlet fjord]

ikr

[rare sleet]

if T54E1 had 350 alpha it would be op

[winged barn]

k91 exists
Instead it has armor

[full token]

K91 doesn’t have 2.5s though

[leaden flare]

and it takes 2s more to dump the whole clip
thats not a whole lot considering it doesnt have to worry nearly as much about getting penned as T54E1

[full token]

Why would you fail toon, get matched with tanks 2 tiers higher, and then complain, and then repeat?

[pseudo hedge]

don't platton with tanks that are any other tier then your own. that way you only get in a match with +1/-1 Tier

[scarlet fjord]

fail tooning only works with certain tanks that dont care much
like a borsig with calibrated it has broken camo big alpha and broken HEAT pen that ignores all armor even tier 10's struggle to bounce
and the only reason i would fail toon is so i would grind faster as higher tier tanks give bigger rewards

[unique scaffold]

auto loaders do more DMG from burst and single shot are many time usless ! real is all burst tanks on level high as MT 25 (7), emil 1 (9) etc

[pseudo hedge]

the MT is Tier 6 and the Emil 1 is tier 8. they also have other drawbacks for example they have to reload there magazine for a long time and have relatively low DPM. most one shot tanks can easily win against Burst tanks in a 1v1.

[low cliff]

been playing for APX yet still complains about failtoons o7

[frail cloak]

buff STB-1 pen

[unique scaffold]

Aim better or run CS

[versed tide]

Can we buff the t28 or na

[winged barn]

Did I hear buff stb? Hell yeah

It's not idiotproofed like the IS4 yet

[versed tide]

Y don’t we buff the second strongest med

[scarlet fjord]

buff STB Lol

[turbid ridge]

T95 either needs to be impenetrable from the front... or... OR... just buff the speed to 22 like the FRIKIN TOG... otherwise it is worthless in battle... the metta has gotten faster while the T95 has stayed the slowest tank in the game

[tacit vault]

does it look like smasher and/or annihilator are likely to be nerfed in the near future?

[nimble zodiac]

TOG has 20km/h top speed 👀

@tacit vault I doubt it greatly

[tacit vault]

Thats a big shame to hear, i thought a lot of the community would share a strong opinion that smasher and annihilator are very op tanks for their tiers, even if they are premium tanks. Does WG not listen to these ideas or?

[nimble zodiac]

They simply don't believe they are detrimental enough to the game to nerf them

[tacit vault]

Yikes

[full token]

WG wont nerf them until it hurts income. If its been sold for gold/money itll not see a nerf

[unique scaffold]

add 2 more shells lol to fv215b 183 lol

[nimble zodiac]

I, very often, never run out of a shell type

[drifting depot]

actually, there was once a time where every darn game you'd get 2-3 smashers/annihilators in one time and now, for some reason, many people just stopped playing it and when I go down to t7 to fool around with my spice I only meet those kinda tanks about once or twice each 5 games? it's just weird but whatever, probably everyone got tired of curb stomping everyone that wasn't a Dracula, smasher, annihilator or that kinda tank, or got tired of how tedious the fights between them were

[stray verge]

In comparison to other mediums: STB overperforms

Mediums in general are not very meta.

[winged barn]

But you run out of AP or HESH all the time.

I carry about half and half with 1 or 2 more AP. I run out of HESH and miss those juicy side shots, or I run out of ap and cancer do anything against a is4.

Only on either really good or really bad matches

And yea, normal HE is for the poor

[nimble zodiac]

I use AP and HESH only, and never ran out of either (except blindshot rooms)

[vital basalt]

i carry 7 AP,8Hesh and 1HE which is for tanks like Grille or Leo etc. and i never ran out of ammo,maybe once or twice in 130 battles
but yea 1 or 2 more shells would be nice

[dull magnet]

no matter how underpowered stg might be, its more fun than t-34-3 imo

[drifting depot]

idk I find the stg to be incredibly annoying to fight against, t343 in the other hand are fine

[hollow ore]

Could the VK 168 Get its Cupola armor buffed or removed?

[nimble zodiac]

Ah yes. Don’t remove the cupola, remove its armor

Man I’m definitely not regretting being a hypocrite of grammar

[fast olive]

.

[raven dawn]

t95 dont need a buff dont put it in a situation where movement is critical to survive. stay medium range so opponents will struggle to hit your weak spots.
you think it needs a buff, now look at tortoise and be greatful

[teal stratus]

but it do be needing a speed buff

[deep temple]

Pls buff amx 30b

[dull magnet]

bdr needs slight armour nerf on the cupola. otherwise increase slightly the size of the driver weakspot

[stray verge]

stop tilting

[deft owl]

@exotic echo What does this has to do with balance?

[versed tide]

Idk man I’m consistently improving and I just got uni again after a while so I say I’m doing good. But what does this have to do with balance

[novel depot]

WG already said that they won't nerf it, imo first up they need to balance tanks like powercrept tech tree tanks, that's what they can do and i have no idea why they don't

[unique scaffold]

Hello game officials, first of all, in World Of Tanks Blitz, players who have only a strong tank at Level 7 have the possibility to achieve something in battle and the Annihilator and Smasher tank that came to Level 7 is very strong in the game, yes, the mercenary tanks do not come with nerf, but the players in the game enjoy the game. these tanks need to get nerfs for them, my best regards,

[mental pasture]

Honestly, that's the most non-sense thing that I ever have seen in this chat

[leaden flare]

I kinda run out of AP or HEAT in WZ-113, pretty annoying and idk if giving it more ammo would change its balance but i could use some more ammo ngl
Idk if that would be a buff since WZ-113 is already really good
just found out im insanely retardet didnt use the full amo capacity since it got buffed i guess

[gleaming apex]

sheridan pickle#1524 has been warned.

sheridan pickle#1524 was muted

[nimble zodiac]

More shells doesn’t do too much as a buff but it can allow players to use more different types of shells more freely, possibly increasing their versatility in battle

[raven dawn]

yeah i hate it when a tank with a low amount of ammo runs out during a good game and then you're stuck to just die

[leaden flare]

i wasnt in such a situation i just ran out of APCR which was slightly annoying but id still need the amount of heat im having loaded for battles against other heavys so idk what exactly to do with its ammo capacity

[delicate moth]

Could you increase the ammunition capacity on the AMX Defender?
Current iteration only accommodates for 48 shells. Late game scenarios can be quite limited, since this tank chews through either types throughout the battle.

[junior gate]

Bruh ur trolling right? Just don’t take a lot of HE

[latent snow]

I once lost a potential ace game because i ran out of ammo in the amx defender

[leaden flare]

Considering you take half half you'll have like around 6k just for AP and another 4k for apcr at least so unless you miss 40% of you shots you'd still be able to do 6k+ games
Nvm I did Smth wrong
I assume it has 190 alpha on AP and 160 on APCR
So with 48 Shells half half for prammo and ap you'll end up with around 8400 if all hit so unless you bounce a lot or miss you'd still do 6k games without too much trouble

[pearl sigil]

Hit ur shots?

[latent snow]

Yes but I was in a tier 9 game, and carrying 2 clips of He

[unique scaffold]

WOT

[rare sleet]

uh wait won't the kampfpanzer 50 t make the obj140 even more useless?

[raven dawn]

obj players running to find another reason why it's the best

[full token]

New players don’t get free tanks. The 3 tanks are only used in tutorials. Maybe just the tier 4, but they gave us an event already

[leaden flare]

yeah reading is hard for you it seems
map got updated

• graphics and few new buildings and stuff like that, nothing special

[mental pasture]

@full token please, don't mind @unique scaffold. This man is a mad man, a pure troll on his finnest evolution.

Further more, dear mate, that mad man is the E-karen (karen = entitled mom, but let's just add it to the masculine form to fit on him) @full token

German bias confirmed @rare sleet

[full token]

Ah is that the Egirl_gen20 then?

[rare sleet]

the kampfpanzer 50 t does literally anything the obj140 can do but better lmao.

[unique scaffold]

map is same !! as in 5 years before only 2 explode more (usless for me ) a nie všetci sme sa narodili v anglicku chudak

[whole flower]

Nerf fsx

[novel depot]

Imo obj 140 should have some good turret armor or like 65 km/h top speed to make it somehow useful. Either that or buff side armor a bit and add some frontal armor instead to make it great in brawl.

[tough zephyr]

U should reduce aim time on fv4005, it is not a great tank, but the fact that u have "long" interclip and almost 4s of aim time makes that tank useless as peak s boo, sniper(no accuracy), and frontline tank (HEable mega turret), so u are useless, only way would be to reduce aim time or make it at least less HEable

[dense walrus]

-long interclip
-bad aim time
-HE-able armor
hmmmmmmm

[unkempt warren]

siemka sa tu moze jacys polacy co szukaja klanu

[winged barn]

Even though they tried to idiotproof those parts of the tank, people still manage to mess it up.

[versed tide]

I wonder

[dense walrus]

congrats you're the best loser
want a cookie?

@dreamy oar sure, I'm not stingy

[dreamy oar]

May I have said cookie if they don’t want it

[brisk dirge]

Lower plate on the obj 252 is bad, please buff it

[novel depot]

Lol pls don't, this thing is so OP at armor and you wanna buff it even more?

[vital basalt]

oh so its bad lets buff it,E5's side armor bad lets buff,Is4's uhh actually everything is good about it,anyway just buff buff and more buff,we need nerfs now

[rare sleet]

uh yeah maus is not completely invincible pls buff.

Anyways pls buff obj140 why ignore it so much 😦. Its not a bad tank, but t62a is just better

[nimble zodiac]

OooOhHh UppER PlATe ReD SCaRyYy

[vast relic]

ironic given your name. although, I agree that wg needs to start nerfing tanks for balancing rather than just using the buff hammer.

[winged barn]

The gentle touch of the balancing sledgehammer

[gleaming apex]

adriano1326f#3093 has been warned.

milanmrlian#1465 has been warned.

[nimble zodiac]

^ Or the gentle throat clear of the ban sledgehammer 😂

[drowsy plaza]

@vast relic unfortunately most of the tanks (outside of tier X) that need to get wailed on by the nerf bat are premium/collector tanks. So the solution is buffs around. Which causes a lot more grief due to ripple effects

[vital basalt]

my name is like that cuz M48 is just left behind of Stb1

[leaden flare]

and so is all other meds since STB is basically the best T10 tech tree med

[vital basalt]

well yes but other meds have some other stuff as well, E50M has ramming potential,4202 has Hesh,121 Has 420 alpha, etc. but Stb has everything that M48 has but better

[full token]

It’s a bit rare to see an E50M using that ram

[remote oriole]

Be the change you want

[leaden flare]

Idk if this also towards MM complaints but id love some changes to the destribution of tanks
3 TDs imo are too much it just makes the game a campfest and the way spotting works its not rewarding for anyone
im pretty much fine with the rest except when one side gets like a medium/light and the other side has nothing like that same with 3 meds but only 1 heavy while the enemy gets 3 Heavys and 1 med

I considered that as team balancing in general and i cant really find a different channel to adress that

[versed tide]

i agree the max amount of tds should be 2

[pseudo hedge]

given how ppwer full heavies are teams should have the same number of heavies and maximum 1 lower tier heavies then the enemy. Two Tier 8 Heavies is just not fair vs 2 Tier 7 ones.

[vagrant onyx]

Idk if other people have experienced this with autoreloaders but sometimes when the reloading time says that the reloading time is less than a second you end up having to wait a second or two to actually get that shell ready to shoot and it has messed me up in many critical situations.

[leaden flare]

the timer works just the shell getting loaded sound irritates many people so they click early

[stray verge]

What is the point of having 80% of your tier 8 mediums be very poor single shot 84-90mm mediums that cannot be balanced while also including a unique flavor? Everyone talks about 122mm IS-X clones but not 90mm single shot mediums.

[winged barn]

Oh they get talked about. About how bad they are that is.

Pantera, prog46, and pan2 are about the only exceptions

[stray verge]

I did not include clippers in that because they are decently mobile and have a burst potential to make tier 8 dpm syndrome less of a issue. Panther 2 is one of the better 84-90mms but tier 8 dpm syndrome and mediocre mobility does hold it back

[quasi axle]

Buff 140 thank

[jagged crescent]

no

[stray verge]

140 is op wdym

[nimble zodiac]

OP
O - Obviously
P - Practically Useless

This is a joke, 140 is fine

[quasi axle]

It's fine but everybody trash talks it so buff it so no more trash talkers

[stray verge]

all mediums need a pen buff but have their calibrated nerfed

[versed tide]

just nerf cali in general

[stray verge]

calibrated either makes your heat/hesh broken or is absolutely trash

[nimble zodiac]

It's best for tanks that need their penetration right above the bar they sit under

Too low and need CS? The effect won't be enough

Too high and wanna meme CS? It won't help you when you're overkill

[mental pasture]

Yes, it can actually help. You know the main reason to run CS in high calliber guns? Yep, it's all about HE pen

[nimble zodiac]

The only situation where you "counter" my argument is with ISU-152 and Obj. 704

I mentioned nothing about caliber

[gloomy anchor]

yup

[turbid smelt]

it is kinda true tho

[tender nexus]

Yes

[gleaming apex]

SirAlexLi#3852 was muted

[meager warren]

Make Kv2 Great Again :V

[versed tide]

They see smasher as a prem

[misty cloud]

There is no such thing as balance in this game, this game will never be fair, because of rng, ur opponent is in a same tank as u but u deal less dmg per shot because of rng, u can't hit ur shot because of rng but they hit it, not sure why wg this channel when its useless, cuz there is no such thing in this game as balance.

[winged barn]

._.

[leaden flare]

Always the same things like smasher are on the nerf list but WG is yet to acknowledge that it has a very big impact on a battles outcome

Balance is a thing usually your DMG avges over time at least from my experience

[solid scaffold]

may i ask when did they nerf the 150mm he minimum dmg to 720, cause i remember it was 800

[hearty steeple]

It has always been +/- 25% of the avg dmg as far as i am aware

[mental pasture]

E100 and Jagdpanzer E100 tho
I was talking about them, their HE pen is kinda low for their calliber, but I guess it works for ISU too

[deep bluff]

Maybe buff the loraines front plate and turret enough to not be penetrated by he shells, especially by russian and german tds

[sharp saddle]

Lorraine is fine how it is

[orchid grove]

#Lorraine5thShell

[mental pasture]

I didn't know that those guns could penetrate Lorraine with HE that easy

[iron cypress]

pls just nerf smasher

[deep bluff]

i get mostly spanked by tanks with high he penetration on the other side of the map, 90% it goes through

[unique scaffold]

why my crew dont say any voice when starting battle or making damage

[twin egret]

#Lorraine100mmGun

[hollow minnow]

#game-status-upd look this, we same no crew voice 😔😔

[turbid smelt]

#yesplease

[ebon glade]

maybe use something besides the RHm and isu

[stray verge]

The tier 8 td meta should not be 152mm guns and/or turreted that are either Soviet or German or the Chinese wedge in general

[deft owl]

@stray verge Tds arent even meta. Heavies are.

[pseudo hedge]

I mean if you talk about the general best TDs at Tier 8 there are 130 PM, Scorpion and the Wedge.

[full token]

What’s the wedge?

[turbid smelt]

wz 120 1 ft

chinese balanced armored mobile td

[nimble zodiac]

It competes with Kanonenjagdpanzer, and is only bested by the biased Turtle Mk. I

[winged barn]

Does it really compete? I will happily sacrifice a bit of mobility to get heavy levels of armor

[nimble zodiac]

Stats-wise in the sense

[unique scaffold]

Buff T28 armor

[versed tide]

Nerf everything but the tanks that are bad so everything is balanced

[gaunt coyote]

T28 should rather get a hull remodel like it got on PC, as the whole hull model is completely wrong

[twin egret]

😔 if only Charioteer wasn't nerfed

@coarse harness Yeah true lmao

[coarse harness]

It was a well deserved nerf tho

[indigo tinsel]

@quick lichen kinda weird how the chart shows the stats from good players only anyway instead of global stats, so the collector tanks wouldn’t even be out of place to show.

[drifting depot]

ngl but I find the charioteer to be quite fun..... when something isn't screwing me over

[thorn crater]

No the smasher is balanced but it could have a 14 sec reload instead

[quick lichen]

I guess they feel that’s their target audience

[indigo tinsel]

Well yeah. My point still stands though

[mental pasture]

No comments.

[quasi axle]

Smasher balanced good joke

[candid skiff]

yes very balanced cuts to ammoracking a Tiger I

[quasi axle]

Any tank can ammorack a tiger i though 🤧

[iron cypress]

what do u think about dmg - speed

[misty herald]

guys what if we replaces MAUS gun to jagdpanzer e 100 gun?

[novel depot]

At least Smasher has some downsides (it's OP anyway, but you can beat it somehow), while Annihilator is just good at everything.

[misty herald]

guys what if MAUS had jagdpanzer e 100 gun?

[unique scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/crickets-crickets-chirping-silence-awkward-silence-gif-5319192

[twin egret]

Change the gun on the Lorraine 40t to the 100mm

[novel depot]

1,2k damage per clip at tier 8? That's too much in my opinion

[unique scaffold]

My enemies don't even have to aim caus they load gold-muni

[vapid cobalt]

it may be time to change the "matchmaking" thank you (ennemies like NRJ for focus xq)

[full token]

one battle doesnt say much

[uneven narwhal]

Why cover their WN8 and leave their usernames lol

[vital basalt]

just reduce to shell to 3,but then its gonna be better 50 100 so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[novel depot]

Ok, then it would be more balanced

[covert marlin]

pls give and SP1C, RU251 spall liner

i said sp1c and ru? way to go mate. only suggesting it because there is literally no way to combat a T49 if its coming for you. sure you can try kill it while reloading but you'll die before you kill it. you just have to pray theyre either garbage or die before having to deal with it.

[novel depot]

lol it's like: Give T95 60km/h top speed, it's slow

[sharp saddle]

Do we have to baby proof every paper tank now? Give all of them spall liner?

[sharp saddle]

RU is fine how it is. I have played the RU so much, and I rarely have an issue with T49s. Sure, sometimes you get derped, or a T49 yolos you, it’s frustrating, but that’s how it is.
I just stay near teammates who act as a deterrent for a T49 to push on me, and or once he’s shot, we can easily take advantage of the long reload.

SP IC I won’t comment on as I haven’t played it in years, and I just don’t play tier 7 at all anymore

[sturdy glen]

I almost can't play on tier 9 conqueror I use ap and do 2000 dmg then die cause was outnumbered then doing all that got me 20000 credits but the whole game costed 30000 even tho my team won

[leaden flare]

The biggest flaw of the consumables is WG tried to balance with them there is a difference between removing weaknesses and balancing something sadly WG is removing weaknesses instead of balancing tanks

[remote oriole]

I second that

[versed tide]

I mean it’s most likely because your using super cons. I am currently grinding hay tank and lose 20k creds but I preform quite well

[minor minnow]

Like this?

[quartz flax]

Nice one👌

[deft owl]

@sharp saddle Ru is powercreept. There is no point to use it over Fv 301.

[minor minnow]

HE Pen, mobility, more fun

[leaden flare]

thats your opinion ru hast the HEP which is just straight up fun its not the tanks fault that you can only play idiot proof tanks

[rare sleet]

80kmph goes brrrrr

[muted folio]

Smasher?

[deft owl]

Mobility? Ru only has better top speed, Fv301 has better acceleration.

He pen is mosty situtational.

Fv 301 is way better then Ru 251 currently. Gun on it is miles ahead better, Armor on it is HE proof while Ru can be Rofl stomped with He rounds by pretty much anything. Ru has pathetic gun depressions over the front while Fv 301 does not suffers from such thing.

And oh not to mention the Lt-432.

[remote oriole]

Well, that doesn't make the Ru a bad tank, it only makes it worse than the FV301. "So what?" you hear me ask. The Ru is still a fun tank to play and boasts a special and interesting playstyle. Not all tanks can be great tanks, and if you 'understand' the Ru, aka embrace its playstyle, you will have fun even if you don't roll over the enemy like a bulldozer

[rare sleet]

I personally prefer ru251, maybe because im weird but I like the real light tank playstyle of skulking, moving really fast across the map to different positions and taking potshots, Not to mention fv301 low alpha is pretty annoying for my potshot playstyle. and oh yeah you underestimate how amazing that 80kmph top speed is. You lie when you say Fv301 is miles better in the gun department, ru251 has better DPM and better average dispersion values. Not to mention the amazing HE

[deft owl]

Dpm difference is abysmal. The penetration on Fv301 really gives an edge over Ru251. He is very situtational as I said especially in the current heavy meta.

80kmh doesnt mean anything because you rarely reach that top speed. Its much more important how quick you reach those speeds.

[winged barn]

Alpha> than pen when the lower pen gun still has enough pen. And the ru has enough pen. The gun on the ru is very much superior to the gun on the fv.

[deft owl]

180 pen is nowhere near adequate in the current Heavy meta.

Btw honestly I wont waste my more on this topic. Its clear in devs answers Fv 301 has significantly better overall winrate and damage.

[remote oriole]

If you want to play a FV301, play the FV301. If you don't want to play the Ru 251, don't play the Ru 251. Both tanks have their place

[twin egret]

to 3 clips isn't 1.2k dmg lol, why suspect it would still keep its 4 clips

[minor minnow]

I still think they are equal, despite the 301 being slightly better. They both have their respective playstyles BUT the heat and HE on the RU are redeeming factors

[novel depot]

I thought that you wanted to keep the amount of shells

[quasi axle]

It is if you're circling, there's no reason to head on a heavy in a light most of the time

[twin egret]

It has the SA47(same top gun as the AMX 50 100) irl not the 90mm
tbh its my fault, I should've specified

[novel depot]

Maybe it could have both, why not?

[toxic cove]

If 180 AP isn’t enough for you, you got 250 HEAT

[inner umbra]

Hi i need hellp, can’t play anymore

[hexed night]

No controls for you on the game? If so #game-status-upd

[inner umbra]

I send ticket no ons hellp me

[minor minnow]

Well it looks like you got beat by a good player, I see no problem here

[still jolt]

is7 worst heavy. WG repair.
E5 has way better depression, armor harder to penetrate and faster reload, and yet you give it Turbochager and -20 to damage taken. something not right

@uneven narwhal Actually, I don't even remember to get ever ammoracked in it. Type 59 gets blown up way more often. Just got pissed off at "balance" in this game

[uneven narwhal]

Uhoh
Looks like someone got ammoracked

Totally does not happen in every other tank

[full token]

Bad heavy, maybe. Worst tier 10, not at all. Doesnt need a buff

[nocturne mauve]

No heavies need buffs

[still jolt]

E5 needs a nerf'

[full token]

yes

[hollow ore]

What about the Kranvagn?

[nimble zodiac]

Nah, the lacking speed and DPM balances it out

[tough zephyr]

Lorraine 40t should have 2s interclip, as it is you cant even sneak your whole clip, or reduce the clip to 3 shell, because it will be more comfortable and u can sneak your whole clip, now u just sneak barelly 3 shots and then rld 20s

[lean gate]

Its just need to reply the hatsh on it

[scarlet fjord]

Nerf E5
Nerf IS-4
actually start nerfing and buffing instead of buffing everything like a proper game balancing team

[ivory dust]

not my e5

[minor minnow]

Wait did I get softbanned :/ #surveys

I never got a DM or anything

[twin egret]

What? 3 clips? then it just becomes a slower amx 13 90... if it's going to have 3 clips, at least make it the 100mm gun

[mental pasture]

I as an E5 player agrees that this tank should be nerfed.

• It shouldn't have 340mm pen + CS
• It shouldn't have special consumables

[versed tide]

Imagine running cs on a dpm tank like e5

[minor minnow]

me

[nimble zodiac]

e5 isn’t even really a DPM tank ._.

[zealous vessel]

What look at this: WG says the smasher is not a problem and almost a 1000 people dislike it! 😕 It is also the 2nd most played tank by the way and they say they look at the stats. Mhm. Sure 👎 ! I agree with you and they say unpopular too? really wg? And you don't even ask the public or the community on their opinions? All they do is test the tank using a few players and they don't let them leak that it is broken. Then they sell it in crates.

[thin ermine]

Smasher is the 2nd most played tank in the game

“As we said before there are no reasons to make this unpopular decision.”

Proceeds to get a 1:6 like/dislike ratio

[hearty steeple]

Nothing is going to happen of it without significant community pressure. Remember atgms. Rn community is like we don't like it but there have been any real consequences of it

[deft owl]

Atgms werent premiums or paid collectors.

[uneven narwhal]

You think they care about the community much?
The very fact that they say "They aren't played enough" shows that they are paying absolutely no attention to the game

Now I appreciate everything they do for us but can't they actually listen to the community for once

[versed tide]

It’s not anni is second most played

[thin ermine]

Anni is most played, smasher is second

[quick lichen]

No where remotely close to the second most played tank. Maybe second most desired

Do you see a lot of them? Sort of. What you’re seeing is a few people playing them a fair amount. Overall, still not anymore played than the vk 36.01 h

[quasi axle]

Is that daily stats?

[quick lichen]

I think rolling 30 day but I have no clue tbh

“Top Tanks
(averages from BlitzStars database of top 10,000 players per tank; sorted by battles; minimum 50 battles in tank; from players with overall winrates between 45-55%; re-skinned tanks show parent's stats. please report missing re-skins)”

[thin ermine]

I stand corrected

[mental pasture]

Much time ago, it was the most played tank. It became the second most played tank last month.

[raven dawn]

Im guessing the least played is keniotsu or chinukai

[scarlet fjord]

Nerf IS-4 and E5
think again please

[uneven narwhal]

Eh, don't think E5 needs a nerf

[velvet harness]

I really liked playing this game ,have made some good mates and as a whole liked most of the updates ,Having played 100% more with lock down you can see in quite a few areas that WG don't listen to players or do things that spoil the game for others ,I have found that playing soviet heavy tanks that WG has nerfed the guns Dispersal so much that over approx 120m you have as much chance of an aimed shot as winning the lottery , Wg's excuse is the Russian tanks are sluggers and don't need long range sniping shot ( I totally agree with that ) But it's good to hit the side armour of a turret when it becomes a target , now it's a danger to any low flying satellites, The other thing that grips me is why have so many automatic guns on tanks ,they are comment on only a few country's tanks in real life So why make them common now , Gripe over guys ,have a good day killing

[twin egret]

Are you trying to say is that WG should buff the dispersion factors of the Russian 122mm guns? If that's what you're saying then no. Pray more for Russian Bias

[uneven narwhal]

^^

[sturdy glen]

The devs need to nerf prices I'm gonna go bankrupt

[full token]

You didn’t do so well if that’s all you earned. Doing more damage, minimizing what damage you take, using prammo less can help. Try using the credit boosters you get for free. Or if you’ve been able to get any premiums, use those to grind credits and make up for what you lose

[quick lichen]

Where’d you find this?

[zealous vessel]

I completely understand you and many people have told me this before.

[zealous vessel]

Is4 doesn't need a buff either. Maybe consider the french tanks.

[full token]

Blitzstars main page under ‘Tank Zeitgeist’

[quick lichen]

Dm me a link please @full token

[uneven narwhal]

Matchmaking. Is. Random.

[full token]

The aim is to give you a bit of a challenge by giving you a worse team, rather than teams equal in skill. Its not unwinnable, just harder, and if youre a good player, you can find yourself on the better team sometimes. Or if someones not very good at the game, they might get put with a team thats mostly good players. I think the randomness isnt in making each team, but in how often youll get the good team or the bad team. I see equal teams rarely. Most of the time, one team will be better by quite a bit

[fickle light]

I want KV-4 aiming time buff ;-;
Playing it was a pain in tier8

[scarlet fjord]

na KV-4 was okay when i played it its slow and exposed not the best armor in the world but it can be extremely annoying in the right hands while sidescraping properly and the gun has great pen values

[hexed fjord]

ok but how the f**k im supposed to win if my meds are doing one shot and dying? enemies just had a free way thru our spawn due to brainless meds

[full token]

Sometimes you just cant win. If you play well, you can help the weak team get a win. And youll get a lot of wins when on the good teams

[scarlet fjord]

the problem i have with the matchmaking is the completely one sided games happening too often compared to in the past
cuz the playerbase is worse now
so you are either stomping too hard so u dont fell the challenge or any fun at all
or ur having fun performing very well but get frustrated that you have lost 7 times in a row with 4k average damage
this is my problem with it
i know this isnt about mm and i dont really talk about it ever here this just happened to pop up

[raven dawn]

Get used to the apes it's not going away

[full token]

Yeah sometimes the teams are too unbalanced. No chance for the weaker team.

[uneven narwhal]

Dude you can't win every time

[hexed fjord]

ok so if im winning too much wg gives me unicum platoon to clap me, its not a problem if im in a platoon too but wtf im supposed to do against with a grille

[nimble zodiac]

Use a more independent tank?

[scarlet fjord]

i dont mind that happening once in a while I'm just saying it happens too often for me personally which doesnt seem normal
and this isnt really the matchmaking at least i think that its just the playerbase is getting really really bad specially since they can pay their way to tier 10 with 0 battles in their account i think WG shouldn't let accounts that dont have that specific tier researched with 100% crew and modules to be able to buy a premium or collector version of it
or let them buy it but they can only drive it after they get that tier so they dont miss out on any offers if thats a problem
you will ofc warn them about that condition while purchasing the vehicle

[leaden flare]

I've never had as good MM as for the past few days😂

[distant river]

WG gives you 6 tanks that fit the matchmaking criteria for tank types. It does not look at the player. You will get runs of good teams, bad teams and average teams and that is just how randomness works. Human nature means we focus heavily on the bad runs and forget the good and average runs. Data you can easily collect does not do this, and shows the matchmaking is inherently fair and applied equally to everyone.

Tldr stop crying

[twin egret]

just rob someone's credits

[hidden quest]

The whole tier 6-7 are destroyed by those unreal tanks like anni....

[cedar pasture]

just use su152

[winged barn]

You do you

[hidden quest]

Yeah use su152 and get one shot by a smasher or two clips from the anni

[novel depot]

just don't play tier 7, we can't do anything about broken premiums

[vital basalt]

well,its easy to say if you have tier 10s but lets say youre a new player or you have like 1/2K battles,youre grinding a tier 10 than you met smasher or annhi than youre basically done

[sudden path]

I think the only improve that could be made to mm is for tanks like the charioteer to not count as meds
Often creating 2 gun advantages on med side

[quasi axle]

I didn't even know that was a thing

[prisma jetty]

Isn’t charioteer counted as a TD?

[mental pasture]

It's the finnest concept of glass cannon

[stray verge]

The E5 itself is fine but the consumables and provisions carry this tank to be borderline op

[magic lark]

Look guys

[ashen epoch]

Do you guys think the T28 needs a buff?

[winged barn]

Does Wargaming?
No

[vital basalt]

it needs a remodelling

[ashen epoch]

It needs more armor on the front and roof

[final wigeon]

I think they muted this chat Lol

[mental pasture]

That's the buff that the T28 needs
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/594610900154187806/837801924211900466/USCyULD.png?width=1025&height=432

[nimble zodiac]

But they need marketing for TS-5 ;-;

[past cove]

But Wargaming can do something about broken premiums. It’s a little something called a NERF!!!

[scarlet fjord]

yes

[flint oxide]

Aint gonna happen cuz thay cant touch prems

[twin egret]

can't wait for update 8.10/7.10, what will it bring?

[uneven narwhal]

They can, but they wont

[vital basalt]

they can nerf premiums, they're not doing it cuz some players cry about getting their game broken premiums gets a nerf

[unique scaffold]

Fix the system to don't change automatic the ammo from AP to APCR once, twice or more under the match. The simple AP ammo not been null.

[twin egret]

Are you saying that with autoreloaders; when one type of ammunition runs out when the whole clip isn't finished, it doesn't automatically reloads the entire clip?

[tender geode]

hola v:

[candid steeple]

I know that this is not about MM room but this is a serious problem with map balance. Do you see what enemy has and what we don't? This map is hevealy relied on mediums/lights spotting mid section fo the map and to take snap shots. What our team gets? No meds or light but enemy has. So their light is free to spot td because there is no one fast enough to match him. This is unfair MM and I hope that importance of fast tanks on this map is reduce or WG fixes the problem of MM because some maps depend on having mediums if you want to go heavy side. And since most players in this game are stupid they wont think and just go heavy side as usual. I was supper heavy so no point in me rushing hill if everyone else is going to right side.

[full token]

All isn’t lost. The side you’re on is hard to make use of if no one goes for the hill. I prefer to just go down the middle or even take the whole team to base A and try to kill off the medium. Trying to fight at C when the enemy has the hill is an easy loss. You get sniped either by mediums or by TDs and you die

[candid steeple]

I call it trash map design.

[misty herald]

lets put panzer e 100 td gun to maus

[novel depot]

why?

[unique scaffold]

WG pls buff the Armor and mobility of the Maus 🙏.

|| Jk lol||

[leaden flare]

ive got the solution to ur problem just push the side with the medium hill if nobody from your team is on the snipeable side the position is useless
i call it trash situational awareness from your side
and bad decision making

[versed tide]

Give 183 3 shells balanse

[vital basalt]

maybe just a little buff to Wz111-4? i know its a heavy tank etc. but its not that fast,in paper yes it has 50km/h top speed but you almost never reach that speed,its armor is paper in hull and good on turret except it only has -5 gd so you cant use that turret,its dispersion is worst in class which is understandable because of 460 alpha but whats the point of having 460 alpha if you cant depress your gun
i'd say make it gun depression -5.5 or just a little bit better mobility,not like Is8 levels just like 5% or 10% better mobility,no?

[scarlet fjord]

nerf heavy tanks
except balanced ones like
T57 heavy IS-7 etc
and definitely remove broke consumables from E5

[midnight fable]

Are you talking about the same tank that is performing at the top of the heavy class in #devs-answers ?

[vital basalt]

ehh yea,maybe im the bot who play it bad,probably its me

[scarlet fjord]

@midnight fable if we follow that chart mark 6 and T57 heavy are trash
while they are the opposite of that very good tanks

[candid steeple]

Super heavy goes left side alone. What if rest of the enemy team went that side? You are alone unable to excape and plus VK is trash at fighting from few fronts. You just assumed that I am a bad player with no regard to situation. I see your bad mindset. Team wont listen and that is the first thing that is making this MM unfair but you assume that me as supper heavy should go solo on one side. Good job. I will say this yet again. Team wont follow you most of the time. Do I have to say this again?

[mental pasture]

Hey man, you're not a bot. Not everyone needs to be an incredible player, you know? Be happy with whatever ability you learn, but keep learning, even I (who has about 3-4 years of Blitz) still learning something

[midnight fable]

Amen.

@scarlet fjord was talking about WZ, not those two.

According to the chart, chieftain has higher wr than 17 other tier 10s. I don't think the chart paints it as trash.
The t57, while it can be good, could also be better.

But that doesn't even matter, because the WZ is at the top of its class. So I think it's fine to say it doesn't need a buff.
If it was in the middle of the class, you could make an argument that the chart is wrong and the tank needs a buff. Ok. But when it's at the top of the class?

[scarlet fjord]

@midnight fable i dont think you get my point
charts arent 100% reliable and accurate

[full token]

These are ru charts too. Most of the people who speak on this server do not contribute at all to that chart. The RU server also uses less prammo than the rest of the servers from what I hear

[scarlet fjord]

@midnight fable i was comparing it to its class respectively and the T57 does not need to be any better its perfect as it is idk if u dont prefer it or anything thats irrelevant to the point though
they are according to the chart
inferior to almost every other heavy tank including VK 72
and in fact the charts say VK72 is performing extremely well
by no means accurate

[burnt venture]

3 TDs per side should no longer be a thing. Limit TDs to 2 per team. Half the team being tank destroyers kills gameplay.

[quasi axle]

agree it makes the game too campy

[deft owl]

Still crying over camping even when Heavies are Meta? Way to go.

[versed tide]

Limit the amount of heavies to one per team ez balance

[full token]

Heavies being too strong doesn’t mean people can’t talk about anything else

[burnt venture]

@deft owl never said it was because of camping... TDs by nature are second line support, having half the team as second line support makes gameplay static and boring. Heavies may be meta cuz of HP increases, but people are playing TDs more to take advantage of that situation.

Out of the top 5 most played tanks according to Blitzstars, 3 are TDs, while one is a heavy tank (Annihilator)... Idk what ur smoking but TD spam from 2015 is definitely coming back.

Or do you think camping and sitting in a corner all game to punish people for free is fun? The only people that think camping is great and "just fine" are... you guessed it, the campers. If you actually play actively, you'll see how unbelievably stupid it is that a guy who never moved from spawn gets rewarded for free because everyone else is trying to play the game.

3 TDs per side is stupid and cancerous. It doesn't help the team if half of it camps, and it makes for horrific gameplay trying to dig out 3 campers at the back. A lose-lose situation.

FURTHERMORE, it's not like its the heavies that are getting punished by campers. It's the MEDIUMS and LIGHTS that suffer, because they are often the ones trying to flank or lead an attack. So ur screwing over meds and lights way more than any heavy tank.

"What is played most has nothing to do with balance". May I PLEASE ask what you are smoking. So Annihilator is played most, which has nothing to do with balance. Good stuff.

[deft owl]

@burnt venture Whats played most has nothing to do with balance. Heavies are still meta and you will lose most of the time if you camp.

Its only cancerous to you. Camping tds are easy kills nowadays.

[quasi axle]

they're only easy kills if they're spotted which is not necessarily an easy thing to do depending on their positions and the map

[distant river]

Games are 3 TDs 3 Heavies almost constantly. Heavies cannot push TDs without bleeding hugely, and cannot expose to fight the other heavies because they are covered by 3 campers in the corner.

In short, you get a game of attrition where whoever pushes too much first loses. Meds cannot survive in a fight of attrition against heavies (even more so with the hp buffs) and cannot push without being totally focused (no green heavy will expose to distract the reds because they are scared).

This isn't exactly fast paced and interesting gameplay is it?

[burnt venture]

@deft owl have you ever tried pushing and killing 3 TDs on Mines, Castilla, Dead Rail, Canal, or Oasis Palms? Yeah, nearly impossible. Also, you have to take into consideration that in pubs, most players can't organize anything, and you as a single player versus 3 TDs isn't an option.

Frankly, it's not fun trying to fight 3 unspotted TDs sitting in a bush in red spawn, all ur going to get out of that is getting killed as soon as you are spotted. Again, mediums and lights get punished way more than heavy tanks for this.

You state the heavy tank meta as ur reason, but the 3 TDs per side meta affects heavy tanks the least of all... it's the active players in their meds and lights that get punished stupidly hard for trying to play the game, and punished by someone who doesn't really show any skill and parked their tank in spawn.

Also, it's not like I'm completely eradicating camping or anything, it's just that one less TD would help more with gameplay...

Imagine being too lazy to write an actual detailed evidence-based replay and just thumbs down reacting to everything people say that's against ur thoughts lmfao @deft owl

It's like this guy won't agree with anything I say no matter what

[versed tide]

Are they just going to put a thumbs down in everything

[distant river]

The only real way to actually get this game to be mobile is to have a significant skill advantage (and I mean pretty damn significant, enough to know TD positions, reloads, where to rotate unspotted, how to divide attention of TDs without bleeding etc) or one team stupid enough to push and another team stupid enough to not punish the push

[burnt venture]

lol I had a Mines game where both teams had 3 tanks camping. The score literally went back and forth. My team lost two tanks cuz we pushed, then their team lost two tanks and it was even cuz they pushed, then our team lost two tanks, then their team lost two tanks. It's all because those players went "hey, we are up on tanks, we should push!" then went straight into 3 tanks camping in the back.

Game ended in a draw, because even though my team had 3 tanks over their 1, there wasn't enough time left to dig him out of their spawn.

Fun and interactive gameplay.

Also, I'm pretty sure Mines and Castilla encompass at least 90% of all games that are draws. ESPECIALLY Castilla, that map produces draw games like no tomorrow. Horrible map pathings along with the most ridiculous shoot-throughs guarantee that three heavy tanks can't even chase down one medium.

[leaden flare]

3 TD and 3 Heavy gameplay is a pain nobody wants to peak against 3 TDs because its a huge risk with basically no reward

then people say flank around but how are you supposed to flank around if the TD spots usually cover the flanks and as soon as you get lit up as a med 1/3 of your HP is gone espacially with grille now having a basically point and hit gun

the enemy med wont just let you flank around the map to spot thier TDs at some point someone will spot you and remove your HP - for a heavy its not as bad TDs need from 4 to 5 shots with AP to kill you and maybe even have to shoot gold so the number of shots goes up to like 6 or 7

[safe rapids]

7.10, idk. All we know is that the new US heavies come in 8.0

[jagged crescent]

Dead rail is annoying with 3 TD lineups

[fossil marten]

Never thought I’d type this but you’ve actually said something I agree with.

[fast cave]

All the argument are really well thought and put together! Well done @distant river @burnt venture . Let’s hope that someone @ wg reads this

[sudden path]

I wish there would be a tiebreak system in encounter to prevent draws altogether or credit draws as half a win
Drawing just hurts everyone involved

[burnt venture]

@sudden path Draws as of now are treated as a loss for both teams, so having tiebreaker would be nice

[fossil marten]

And again, agree with all this. ☝️

[twin egret]

what if the distance you needed to drive backwards in order to shoot through a bush to not get spotted was reduced?

[scarlet fjord]

@burnt venture one of the reason of TD's being so popular could potentially be because the gun is one of the most fun if not the most fun aspect of a tank and tank destroyers have that covered if you catch my drift
and yes i am frustrated at pupurut too he reacts with thumbs down on all kinds of things on a daily basis here

[eager kelp]

Buff T22😡

[deft owl]

Thumbs down is literally same as downvoting in reddit. I downvote everything I dont agree. If you cant take it, dont bother writing. And I still disagree with people crying over tds when they are already weak. Some people in here still thinks tds are cancer just because they got shot from invisible tanks. If the enemy tanks are camping in spawn, just cap the damn base, no one forcing you to push them. Its literally a common sense, you are lacking them if you dont know it yet.

[versed tide]

Bruh tds weak wasn’t the point the point is we don’t need 3 of them on one team

[unique scaffold]

if you can’t take it then don’t bother writing
Then why do you bother continuing or explaining yourself your not convincing anyone or attempting to make your opinion clearer, ironic you talk about common sense when the last time you argued you got yourself muted

[deft owl]

Are you ok with waiting 10 minutes for a game? Wg tried to implement it and it doesnt work, there will be always some games with more tank class then others.

You guys just know complaining and crying. So yeah git gud.

[last shadow]

Yeah
I enjoy 7 min long camper matches where no one ever moves because they would all die instantly
Who doesn't?

[winged barn]

So... I don't really see any problem with tds (from the viewpoint of a heavy) you can just push against them and they really can't do anything.

Sure you eat a 152. And you give back a larger % of their hp pool with a smaller shell
It's a favorable trade that I will happily do anytime.
If you take a central position on the map, as soon as they shoot at you, they are spotted. The td can't even abuse bush mechanics because of how poorly placed they are. There also aren't many places for sniping tds to sit, so its very easy to preaim

[versed tide]

Ah yes we are complaining about how there are too many tds in a match and it becomes a camping fest in a fast paced games this has nothing to do with skill it’s more that if I’m playing blitz I’m either on my pc or on a car ride wanting a quick match alr. The only one here crying is you we are only voicing our opinions. I don’t need to get into stat shaming because I f***ing hate when people do it so can you actually not. Also making it only 2 tds a match won’t mean I wait 10 min so

[deft owl]

@last shadow Majority of the playerbase wants to enter games quickly and not sit there. And no 7 minute draw games are rare as duck teeth.

[last shadow]

At the end of the day
The playerbase is the cause of most problems
(except bad map design and overly balanced tanks)
Also again, a 2 tank Difference won't make 10 seconds into 7 or 10 mins

[distant river]

The average player does not want to take 640 damage. They definitely don't want to take 1920 from the 3 camping TDs per game. The only want to start a push is to push yourself and that is not a good plan. You can take positions that spot them but you can't push them or be aggressive and they can cover you easily. You can preaim etc etc but again it's just turning gameplay totally static. 2 TDs are enough to be effective, 3 is enough to cover the entire map with firepower to spare. A 2 TD limit would definitely help battles be more active and wouldn't increase queue times by any noticeable amount.

@deft owl 1-2% of games ending in draws is a lot more common than you think. The average WR isn't 49.9% because draws exist much more than you would like to admit.

@fossil marten Hey thats brilliant to hear that! 👍

[deft owl]

It actually does. If there isnt enough tank to fit in the matchmaking It forces to wait which can lead stupid amount of waiting times.

For the love of god this has been done before and it just doesnt work, please stop insisting on suggesting this.

[versed tide]

Mk lemme just stop voicing all our opinions because you are the great one let me bow down to u @nimble zodiac according to @deft owl it will go up 70x

[nimble zodiac]

Brave assumption it's 152mm spam

Also queue time won't quadruple because of a maximum amount of TDs, which I think can be 2

Suggest a replacement :D

[latent snow]

remove tortoise, no one should have to suffer through such a garbage tank

[versed tide]

Replace 183 with badger and buff tortoise then make the 183 a Sheri missile type thing but you can also play it in random battles/ratings. I realize that @nimble zodiac but it’s what I think should happen tbh. Another idea is to put 183 after Conway making it like the 62 a and 140 and put badger after tortoise. @coarse harness I was giving a suggestion I realize it will never happen -_-

[nimble zodiac]

How to rock the playerbase more than a little Annihilator nerf

[coarse harness]

They will never replace 183 with a tank they already sold several times

[drowsy plaza]

Nerf Heavy and TD view range and mobility. Problem fixed.

[remote oriole]

I’m on the same page. Gives the combat classes more meaning

[sinful leaf]

As for the mobility part, what about TDs like Jg. Pz. E 100, or FV215b(183)?
They are already rather slow as is

[jagged crescent]

mobility i think is fine on the heavies. The issue is the viewrange.
For the tds that act like "pseudo-heavies", an hp buff would be nice (varies depending on how strong that td already is)

[nimble zodiac]

Or the armor of it

Or size =o-o=

[faint bone]

I have an idea to part fix bad teams. From tiers 5-9 you must get X first class medals to continue to the next tank or something sim. Like t5 is 3 first class to move to t6. T6 is 4 to move to t7, t7 is 5 to move to t8, and t8 is 6 to move to t9, and to finish the branch its 8 medals or something like it. It would force players to learn the tank and make the game better for others to play. Also a good challenge and a objective for players with tons of free xp and can free xp the lines. They have to earn it somewhat

[nimble zodiac]

You can't force players to get good 😅

If you want good teammates, check out tournaments and set yourself up with a reliable team

[stray verge]

The bar for first class, aces, etc are not fixed. It simply compares the amount of exp you earned to the amount most other people earned in that tank

[drowsy plaza]

@faint bone would have worked in 2014. Not now.

@jagged crescent some heavies are faster than same tier meds, and the stupid consumables on certain tanks make the equivalent medium irrelevant.

[uneven narwhal]

There is just a replacement to be done for two tank
Instead of 6 TDs in a game, there will be 4 TDs in a game (max 2 on each side)
They can easily be replaced by an other class of tonks

OFC It's going to increase queue times for TDs
But I would much rather wait for an extra few seconds rather than getting 3 TD matchmaking and having the game turn into a campfest

[faint bone]

Yes. This would mean that you would have to compete with others indirectly and directly to progress