tank-balance-discussion

[vocal shard]

It’s because you’re the nth person to say that after they’ve given an answer, which is that just as you got those bad players, so does everyone else @unique scaffold

If you think of it like that, then mm is balanced

Another thing that clouds people’s mind is that most of the time they’re searching up players who are sub 50%, and not those who are above 60%

[unique scaffold]

Pls nerf anni too op

[maiden iron]

its not about winrate for me. Its about the number of players who lack basic skills to help teammates. NVM most of them will troll if i say anything other than praising wg

[tame plume]

annihilator need nerf /// smallest penetration or longer reload for me ;/ 18/20 sec reaload

[twin egret]

really the 6 pounder out of all the things lol

[shut pike]

This Part Of Matilda BP's armour needs a buff

[kind mortar]

Still waiting, when will panther m10 have its armour updated to have also the 5mm sheets of metal that the pc version has? Right now it’s visual does not correspond to the actual armour layout

[iron coral]

Make KV-2 Great again!
Fix MM and OP tanks and we will not switch to Tank Company Mobile -myClan

[novel depot]

Seems like WG needs to do some unique stuff to keep players. Even server fix or powercrept tech tree tanks balancing would do a lot. Other than that, WG can:

• stop adding OP premiums
• make the game less p2w
• remove crates (or make them collectible in battles, or adding some kind of Charms to every crate)
• maybe some kind of graphics update on PC and good phones (but only making graphics better won't change much)
  That's my opinion about whole situation.

[unique scaffold]

I mean like players are at an all time high and climbing we just had an upgraded and tweaked burning games mode and an upcoming moon gravity with a new feature they also just advertised a new tech tree coming up later lol

[vast notch]

Dude Matilda bp is a medium tank its armor shouldn't be op and its already good

[shut pike]

oh ok

[distant yoke]

he's talking about player retention a lot of people are sick of the op tanks and wg's refusal to nerf them and continuing to sell them(for example the smasher) which gets a lot of people annoyed cos tech tree tanks (except for tier 9s and tens) don't seem to be worth the grind when anyone can get a better tank with minimal effort... ik the samsher is in crates but anyone with a wallet deep enough no matter the skill level can get their hands on it. New players probably won't be able to do deal w them anyways and sometimes leave the game cos tier 7 is basically p2w.(I was about to leave, but now I just stick to tier 8,9 and 10 wating for wg to do something or just saving free exp to skip tier 7 when I decide to go up a line)

[iron coral]

If WG didn't fix the game bye bye blitz, Hello Tank Company Mobile

[distant yoke]

Hope it doesn't have to go there before wg decides to change things

[iron coral]

They are just allowing wg to release crates for the last few times When it release globally wg is gonna piss themselves nerfing smasher and giving free tier 8 premium events - Copy Paste from another Server -

[shut pike]

the front of the Churchill 1, And maybe the AT2 is too much, maybe, if there's any developers out there, maybe try slimming the armour down a bit...

[remote oriole]

The frontal armour in these stats does not necessarily show the armour of the entire tank, although the AT 2 really has a bit too much of it everywhere

[pure oak]

I completly agree if they don't do anything about the unbalancedness of the game quite a few people will change to tank company. including myself

[tidal rose]

just go behind it :/ . it not that hard even if you in a slow tank cuz the AT and churchill are one of the slowest

[shut pike]

But, its a heavy tank, and this is a big problem, because, the heavy has less armour than the AT 2, and also the win rate of the Churchill is probably way more higher than the average heavy, such as, the KV-1, also the KV-1 needs a HUGE buff, its armour is like a pea and a potato to the AT 2 and the Churchill... My win rate with the KV-1 is like 30% lower than the Churchills... So, if there's any developers out there, please drop don the armour of the Churchill I and the AT 2 and increase the armour of the KV-1, Thank you, this is a major problem...

[shut pike]

KV-1 armour

[sharp saddle]

in game stats can be misleading

[tidal rose]

it not that big of deal. just learn how to deal with the problems it not that hard :/

[iron coral]

Ikr, WG goes⬇️

[autumn zodiac]

"AT 2 has too much armor and a heavy like KV-1 should have that much"

[rare sleet]

yeah give all the armor to kv1 and make it super slow and make at2 super fast

[hasty lake]

Please buff Type 59...

[fierce crag]

actually,type 59 is a too balanced tank,as we say,a tank performs better than it is a good one,while the opposite is a bad one,it is a standard already

[gleaming apex]

milanmrlian#1465 has been warned.

[full token]

Doesnt look too interesting to have 15 minute battles for a mobile device

[drowsy plaza]

Zero relevance to balance. Stay on track please. If you have questions as to what that means see pinned messages.

[gleaming apex]

petrolhead63#5765 has been warned.

[unique scaffold]

as you want ! gold tanks are better and tech tree are for f2p ! when no pen you take 2 hits because you have slow reload less hp less pen and you slow !

[hearty steeple]

Please read pinned messages again and figure out why your post got deleted (and will get deleted again)

True. It would have been a valid here without the screenshot he added
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[winged barn]

He was right about the balancing of tanks being utter garbage.

[autumn zodiac]

This channel is not for MM complaints

[hearty steeple]

Mm discussions in general are prohibited here, and if a mod is active, they will delete such comments. The comment on its own wasn't the issue as it could very well be about game balance in general, the image made it in context of mm which is well like i said prohibited

[twin egret]

don't forget: they should remove the really dumb invisible walls too

[wise zealot]

Pls nerf meds or add Obj.705A line very nice gun,armor,balanced

[novel depot]

you mean things that you can get stuck on for no reason?

[drowsy plaza]

@unique scaffold overly large generalization there. There are good premiums, and good tech tree tanks. Certainly there are also bad tech tree and bad premiums. The tier you play has a large impact on your perception of balance.

[mental pasture]

These are all simple things that are extremely healthy for the game, and surprisingly, I guess they did never think in things like this.

[gleaming apex]

petrolhead63#5765 was muted

[drowsy plaza]

@winged barn his comment has zero to do with tank balance. He was angry he had 3 AFK on his team. That’s not a balance issue. That’s simply a failure of WG to get rid of serial AFK’s and Bots. It’s best for #general-blitz-discussion

[twin egret]

no no, invisible walls blocking areas that are usually reachable with fast tanks

[novel depot]

yeah, that should be removed. especially in mad games

[real bison]

weird, because in tier X tours you almost never see tech tree tanks, it’s almost like the players there actually know how to play and play well

[unique scaffold]

Maus should recieve a front plate buff in my opinion

[full token]

Angle ze armor and ze armor become stronk

[unique scaffold]

Ye but even if u angle towords an IS-4, E5,ST-1, ,they can just butter thru my armor with HEAT.And trust me , I know how to play my maus and how to angle it:)

[full token]

They have a lot of HEAT pen. For a lot of tanks it’s not too easy to pen the upper plate, so it’s still strong. And the Maus can still block with the sides if you have some building to use. Rear turret + side armor works well for side scraping. It also has HP so it already takes a lot of hits to take down a Maus. The upper plate can be a bit of a weakness but it’s still a strong tank with all the other stats

[unique scaffold]

The only problem I have with it is when they facehug me and I try to to angle my front plate , but they still go thru it with there OP HEAT penetration:)

[full token]

Those tanks do need a bit of a heat pen nerf, which is better than buffing the Maus, since it’s already a good tank

[unique scaffold]

all is lie as TANK DESTROYER have more pen as others ! all in game is lie and WG eat this

[unique scaffold]

https://c.tenor.com/awhlFQC8WcAAAAAM/kid-what.gif

[leaden flare]

OH its the guy with horrible english again that tends to dm other people that dont agree with him

[crystal halo]

TD’s motto is literally punish or be punished, as soon as you get spotted in one your hp magically disappears

[versed tide]

Is this bait

[bleak current]

KpfPz 70 should recieve an Armor/Alpha/DPM buff

[jagged crescent]

I smell name and shaming

[mint lark]

Wot needs something

[fallen coral]

When does WG do something with annihilators ? 2 of them in only one of the 2 teams is too unfair and give the winner of the battle even before it starts. That means NO platoon of annis if only in one team.

[tardy meadow]

New Premium tank ?

[sudden granite]

Or just nerf the tank xddd

[versed tide]

i dont think it needs a buff, its perfectly balanced as is

[thin ermine]

Annis are doing more dmg to the game than wg wants to believe

[versed tide]

smasher is defeatable but anni is a different story

[oak zephyr]

Anni is beatable. It has pen trouble on thick armor. Tiger p is hard to pen im front. Many tanks can hit twice during anni reload

[edgy crag]

consider removing spaced armor from dracula 🙂

[unique scaffold]

it doesnt have spaced armor

[unique scaffold]

To make it easier target for 152mm's and others alike? Heaven no

[edgy crag]

already has tracks
i meant the turret

[willow hawk]

There’s always something to talk about in the balance discussion 😂

[nocturne mauve]

This game shall be renamed world of heavies blitz

[ionic terrace]

@abstract marsh whats wrong with the matchmaking how is that balanced

[hardy hazel]

Mm is trash, everybody knows that but they dont want to talk about it, just leave it or you will be muted

[autumn zodiac]

You did 0 damage as well, you have complaints about MM and yet you are a very big contributor in your own complaint

[ionic terrace]

I was rushing a possion early game and got tracked twice out in the open and got Set on fire and got shot by a Waffle and borsig.
Yes but its not my fault for being tracked or is it.
Do you know the possion from the south spawn on Port bay which is Infront of the hill on C. You know the road that leads in the town

[autumn zodiac]

That quite literally sounds like your own doing

It is

If you rush out into the open in a heavy you are asking to be free damage

[fallen coral]

@sudden granite nerf impossible as Anni is premium

[frail yoke]

i got stuck on one and that costed me the game so they should remove it

[pure oak]

I i just watched pantouflees video and I completely agree with everything hes has saidhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_FwP_Rykhg especially about the 5.5 update cause it had a lot more diversity and made lower tiers fun

[safe rapids]

Lol true

[pure oak]

ngl japan needs more love. I mean like buffs towards the medium line and the addition of heavy tanks and maybe even light tanks (if there are any)

[unique scaffold]

japanese heavies like the type 5 need to be added

[pure oak]

I wouldn't mind german lights as well as chinese lights

[safe rapids]

NO GOD NO but german and chinese lights sure why not

[unique scaffold]

breh

[pure oak]

japanese heavies would be funny because of how big they are in WoT imagine how big they would be in blitz maps

[safe rapids]

Without the derp guns, they'd be alright. But they are so big WG would need to modify every map.

[gleaming apex]

milanmrlian#1465 has been warned.

[pure oak]

precisley they would have to make the maps bigger!

[safe rapids]

I don't think that's on their priorities, and WG has said many times they will never do it.

[drowsy plaza]

The game has absolutely no need for Japanese Heavies

[mental pasture]

The only japanese heavy that I want in Blitz is Yamato with its actual size in Yamato's harbor, but welp, it's a pointless detail that actually wouldn't be that good to the game

[nimble zodiac]

😳

Yeah but the turret's rear spaced armor makes it rather tricky sometimes

[unique scaffold]

yea all tracks are basically spaced armor, you can still HE it above it

[twin egret]

What does the game need?

[versed tide]

balance

[winged barn]

All Wargaming employees, please take note of the above comment

[low cliff]

Instructions unclear, I have proposed the idea of annihilator crates.

[winged barn]

What? Did I hear buff smasher again?

[nimble zodiac]

Whaddya got in ya ears? Cotton balls? Of course ya buff Smasher!

[oak zephyr]

You will have to wait for new year auction

[unique scaffold]

WoTB Devs: We can't balance prems because that would upset paying customers.
Meanwhile in WoT:

Ribble, if you see this, feel free to explain why WoTB's big bro can and will balance prems.

[hearty steeple]

They are being buffed if i am not mistaken.

When it comes to premium rebalancing, only option wg considers is buffing. And we do get premiums which are buffed. not sure what you are complaining about

[wooden walrus]

Remember that premiums are being tested by the testers before being released to the game. The testers are the only one who can say whether this tank is OP or balanced. And I don't think WG would buff the premiums very much.

[hearty steeple]

Premiums have been buffed in the past. M4 rev, k-91 and something more recent, m60, kpfpz-70 and 121b. Yes they aren't buffed as often as tech tree tanks but they are buffed occasionally.

[unique scaffold]

And recently the Lowe (in the most useless spot)

[sharp saddle]

Yeah all those tanks are being buffed in that list from WoT PC

[unique scaffold]

MAYBE a SOLUTION??? We all think about balancing and teammates without ANY knowledge about their tanks. And it becomes worse the higher tier u go. OKAY WG we understand u have 2 make money U destroyed t7 with op tanks and high tiers by giving easy access 4 newbees by boosters and collectors- or premium tanks. But it is nooo fun 4 them or better players in tier 10. Fast TANKGRINDING needs FAST KNOWLEDGE GETTING. A button leading to tutorials of lights/mediums/heavies/Td´s and give small advice like a Tank-Museum May be like in the picture. KIDS need EASY access 2 knowledge. NOT: hey, have u heard there must be a stream somewhere...I remember they did it... oh and I heard about YouTubers as well. Solutions can be ezzzz but u have 2 c the point of view of players. NEW and OLD

[humble frost]

If BT-7 artillery were given again in the form of an event, it would be a good idea, I say

[grizzled verge]

Not when I drive one! Died lots of times.

[leaden flare]

Making a tutorial for every single tank in-game takes ages
You can't make an undetailed Guide because its useless people won't get it even when seeing how to play it
You'd also need to tell people the special things about the tank which again takes even more time like getting the angle on Maus turret right without that you can sidescrape as much as you want people will just pen the mantlet

[sturdy fractal]

what's WG's source for their monthly winrate/avg damage graphs? are they sourced internally or use a website which we can access? just curious if it's possible to get the stats of all the tier 8s, 9s and 10s using official statistics and not just the ones WG wants to show us

[remote oriole]

They are used internally, but available to the public through the Wargaming API, which a number of publicly and free websites use to show stats. However, there are some limitations to that because you can’t just ask for random stats but need to reference to a player

[sudden path]

Ru

[shut pike]

What Is the reward im getting above the total credits?

[full token]

Theres an event going on. Check the news

[unique scaffold]

The explorer, just a little bit less dispersion and aim time but hey guess what ? Its traverse speed is near 41°/s, a fraud comparing to the near 63° of the cromwell and bromwell. This tank as nothing for it, neither the spaced armor on the sides (cromwell) nor the 12 degrees of gun depression (bromwell)...

[weak grove]

Great argument

[quick lichen]

Teams are balanced. Both sides have 7 players

[mental pasture]

I'd like a tutorial for tank types and sub-types or even the basic playstyles instead. Making tutorials for every single tank takes too much time and it's too easy for the newbie.

Make the newbie recognize a super heavy and how to play with it, teach the newbie what is frontline, close quarter support, why you shouldn't camp during the whole battle, what lights are actually supposed to do, etc

[elfin marlin]

In amount of players: yes, in vehicle types: yes, in vehicles strenght: yes, in players WR hell NO!!!

[quick lichen]

Why should they be?

[minor minnow]

Why should teams WR’s be balanced? That’s skill based MM and skill based MM bad. Er, not bad but not good

[twin egret]

At that point just have the community do it

[unique scaffold]

yea why is it so hard to understand that skill mm will be bad cuz in the long run 40ers will be 50%ers and 60%ers will become 50%ers

[elfin marlin]

are you having fun when you are in a team with total noobs with wr that varies from 38%-46% while the other team has all the experience players with wr that varies from 50-62%? not an fair fight i would say. the gap is just to big. a difference of 2-3% is more than enough to have a decent battle. otherwise it will be a form of sealclubbing in high tiers. Anyways i am going to play now. good luck!

[quick lichen]

I have a 68% career win rate and 35,000+ games. Seems like a you problem ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Win rate balancing for teams is not needed

Just play better and adapt to the situation

[stone gull]

isnt this better ? 40ers learning how to play and 60ers should get gud more ? (i mean this one will stop blaming peoples for being bad player)

[dreamy oak]

+1

[quick lichen]

“The only constant thing about every match you play, is you” - @unique scaffold

Fantastic quote because it’s 100% true

[unique scaffold]

40%ers wont get better, theyll play the same but since itll be skill based mm, 40%ers against 40%ers eventually theyll become 50%ers bc they win more against easier opponents. 60%ers against 60%ers, most will drop to 50%

honestly just look at 5k+ ratings, its not fun or even competitive really, its just all the good players camp the whole game bc they dont want to take shots themselves, and action happens after 3-4 mins in game @leaden flare

That does look very familiar.

[elfin marlin]

i do, went from noob to good. in wr term from 41% to 54% 68k battles. i grinded my tanks without prm-time used all stock modules. i hated to send back to the garage because my device was not good and my skills even worse. so after 4 years of playing i got a better device and meanwhile i felt back to tier 5 and learned how to play. watched videos and here i am now.... 54% 142 ace medals out of 162 tanks. yes i learn. i am also poor to get good equipment to play and i do not use voice chat in battle. people advice new comers to get in good clans but those clans reject you because you have no skills. but still teams are unbalanced WR wise. you don't match a 'pro' team with unskilled players. that is just no fun unless you are not that good as you think you are. and i know..... you are in the pramo clan that is one of the top clans in blitz but do you have 38%ers in your clan? i guess not

[leaden flare]

skill based MM kills fun best example is CoD Cold War i see barely any content creator that likes its skill based MM

[quick lichen]

You don’t seem to understand that you can’t have 60%ers WITHOUT 40%ers

[unique scaffold]

@elfin marlin
A. Read the pinned messages.
B. As @quick lichen so graciously quoted me saying. You are the number one common factor in every game that you play. If you are unhappy with how your matches are going start by looking at yourself.

About 30% of your games are going to be easy wins, 30% are going to be hard losses, and the remaining 40% are up to you.

If you are not winning at least 70% of your games you are not in a place where you can complain about your teams.

[stone gull]

i understand what you tell but if %40 wins against %40 he should have done something for winning. %40 against %40 is not easy game for %40 players because they both dont know what they re doing but if they re winning against %40 they must be improved themselves somehow. They should decrease luck factor. Lowrolls, ghost shells, dispersion numbers for general wotb. They want make a game fast and funny for mobile game but they re doing fast and funny when you are lucky. A player should have tell what a game i played i lost the game but look at what i have done! i love this game!

[unique scaffold]

So basically you want the game to give a lift to bad players and to punish good players.

Why should I be punished because I've taken the time to learn the game?

[unreal junco]

wr is due to mm and how it pairs people

[unique scaffold]

No

[sweet bluff]

So, all the best players of the game have good stats because they get lucky with mm?@unreal junco

[unique scaffold]

And this channel is not about matchmaking. Next person to talk about matchmaking here will be receiving a one-day mute.

[leaden flare]

i will keep asking about a kpz buff
the tank basically has all the bad things of heaviums + the bad things of beeing a heavy

low pen even for a medium + having APCR making it even worse then most pretty much all AP tanks of that tier
low dpm for a heavyium
less speed then the avg heavium
its horrible HE that is basically punishing you for using it
the armor profile is a mess

• hulldown : turret is full of weakspots
• rear is heable
• front is very hard to use
  ( - sidescrape isnt possible with the armor layout ... so its probably not intended )

[unique scaffold]

Two more degrees of gun depression would be ideal.

[quick lichen]

So the kpz needs a 6th buff?

[nocturne mauve]

And all heavies need a nerf

[jagged crescent]

soooo why not buff the standard pen of meds

[stone gull]

idk about balance but buffing meds (especially tier8 )can be good idea

[hardy hazel]

👆 👆 👆

[twin egret]

FV215b needs to be balanced, it suffers, why make it still have 2100 base hp?

[stray verge]

263 needs some love from wargaming, it had no buffs since it's introduction. Now it's overshadowed by even the Jagdtiger and SU-122-54

[quick lichen]

You must be new to blitz...

[jagged crescent]

Is it a hard thing to answer

[vocal shard]

Because meds and lights are fast tanks that need to use their mobility to get the sides of tanks. Ideally, only tank destroyers and heavy tanks should be able to pen themselves from the front, which isn’t the case because of a wonderful thing called prammo @jagged crescent

Weak points are also another factor to contribute, so is the fact that some tanks are mixed between 2 tank types

[leaden flare]

tbh it kinda does the last buff wasnt that useful and fixed none of its issues it gave it 10 more dmg on the heat and 10mm more heat pen
from my point of view it didnt need any of that but some gd or a HE that isnt punishing the person using it cuz rolling below your APCR alpha hurts

[vital basalt]

not even 10mm,it was 305mm and it got buffed to 310mm

[quick lichen]

The meds had 330 standard pen and rammer until 2016 or 2017. They ran the game. We don’t need that again

[jagged crescent]

pretty sure the standard pen doesn't have to be that drastically increased

[spark marten]

Hey, are they really going to nerf the T110E3 ???

[vocal shard]

Spamming HE at the cupola does wonders, fyi

I’ve angered many E3s that way by constantly taking out the commander and doing a minimum of 150 at them

Have even done as much as 550 with 960 HE alpha guns if you aim low enough and it splashed on the roof deck since it only has 51mm of armor

[junior goblet]

This matchmaker... just wow

[nimble zodiac]

1. Not in this channel
2. Carry Harder

Without bad teammates, you cannot have good stats

[junior goblet]

1. Ouh sorry
2. Its hard to carry while teammates are dying like ducks 😐

[twin egret]

Can they give the FV4202 something at least bruh

[nimble zodiac]

4124 DPM HESH 😳

[hardy hazel]

Kinda useless when the vickers light exist

[twin egret]

?

[autumn zodiac]

4202 has its place, any experienced player can utilize 4202 well, which might seem like a questionable balancing decision but 4202 is a tank that's really hard to balance without breaking it

[winged barn]

They should return its double prammo in this heavy meta

Stupid balancing decisions requires more stupid balancing decisions to implement balance

The good news it that it would always travel at its top speed.

[autumn zodiac]

Ngl the second gun makes you a useless Vickers Light

[twin egret]

tbf I'd balance it in one way, giving it both the HEAT and Premium HESH on the same gun while nerfing the top speed to 45kph or 40kph,while increasing the armour on the tiny little cheeks that are next to the gun mantlet, well "gun mantlet" that seems to not exist (I did hear it was an internal gun mantlet)

I did, I rather have good armour and great gun at the cost of some speed, 45kph seems reasonable

[autumn zodiac]

Dude

No

If you didn't play 4202 back when it went 40 KPH no

When heavies are easily reaching those speeds no

This is not MM discussion

[unique scaffold]

45 kph where you can’t even catch up to heavies and eaten alive by meds

[autumn zodiac]

4202 as a tank should be a jack of all trades master of none, and giving it both prammo on one gun will do that.

DPM machine: Sure, Reliable shell type: No

Armor: Yes, but not reliable

Mobility: Accelerates fast and maintains speed, but doesn't have a high top speed

[twin egret]

🤔 couldn't the fv4202 fit the 120mm?

[willow hawk]

I think a turret armor buff would be nice on the FV4202, but then again, not the playstyle it was designed for. It’s a flanker, meant to pump dpm to the sides and rear of opponents. I’m not sure if hull down is part of the playstyle.

I’m bad in that tank, so don’t regard my opinion with too much importance.

Actually, I was thinking, is converting the 4202 to a tier 8 premium armed with the tier 9 20 pdr a good idea? Then have the Cent AX at tier 10?

[nimble zodiac]

Oh no he wants to pull a PC

[torpid junco]

Does anyone else think that the foch155 stock gun should still be 640 alpha rather than making it irrelevant by having a long reload, no accuracy and awful damage per shot, players should have the option to take a dpm gun and a high alpha gun, the stock gun was never “overpowered” before the auto loader was implemented and it was completely unnecessary to nerf the stock gun....

[winged barn]

Why is it that so many people think a cent AX would be better than the 4202 in tier 10?

The 4202 has a hull basically half the size, and the turret and gun all comes down to how weegee decides to balance them.

So basically it's just saying you want a giant but otherwise exactly the same tank. That's not a buff, which I am assuming what you are after.

[thick rover]

what kind of buff are you interested in, just curious

[stray verge]

Buff the mantlet to 290-300mm, maybe the superstructure to 390mm, give it at least 340mm of apcr pen, the round is pretty inconsistent, and put the dpm on par with the jagdtiger

[unique scaffold]

Right make one of the highest DPM TDs extremely tough to kill

[deft owl]

@torpid junco It was. But wg isnt a company that pays attention to details.

[torpid junco]

True, lets try bring it to their attention possibly

[crystal halo]

4202 is a basic chieftain, like if you ran a chieftain through an abstractifier

[stray verge]

All the 263 can really do is bully mediums and snipe. Even then, you can snipe better in a lot of TDs, and you have heaviums and the E50M to play if you want to bully mediums that are also more versatile. I would even argue that the SU-122-54 before it can bully mediums the same way the 263 can. If the 263 is going to be a inversatile medium hunter that the only other things is snipe and flank, at least make it good at it, 263 is only decent at hunting mediums. Mantlet does not need gold to be penned, heavy standard can go through and the superstructure is only 360mm thick. Don’t get me wrong, the 263 can be fun but it is overshadowed. 300mm is strong enough to make players switch to gold

[twin egret]

AX has a better turret, has a better top speed, better accuracy, just overall statistically better

[unique scaffold]

Which is Pc wise so it doesn’t really matter and Mk6 shares the same turret design and can’t really hulldown that well

[winged barn]

Statistically better...

Literally all of the stats can be tweaked on the 4202 to get what you appear to want on the cent AX. except the hull is still half the size. And it has an invincible upper plate.
The turret is the same shape. Weegee can easily mess with the thicknesses, and boom, equal or better result.

Soft stats better? Uhhh... so... *a tank with a significantly better hull is being sacrificed instead of just buffing soft stats?

And top speed? Bruh...

Literally everything you want the AX to be a 4202 given the same characteristics will just be straight up better version.

I just don't get why people can't see that making literally the same thing bigger with less concentration of armor is a not a buff. (And these people are not wanting it nerfed)

[rugged void]

FV4202, all it could possibly need is a turret armor buff, that's it, nothing more or it may become broken, what could happen instead is that the AX can be placed as another split off of the Cent 7/1 imo, so it's a choice between armor and DPM

[twin egret]

to be fair the upper glacis on the front hull is pretty useless most of the time...

Centurion has a smaller cupola too (even though irl both had the same cupola height?)

🤔 to be fair Centurion AX seems way more fun than FV4202

[sudden path]

4202 is fine it's an offmeta tank and besides the game doesnt need another british tier x prem

[winged barn]

One of these is much better than the other. The turret on the two is the same. The only difference in armor is the hull on the cent is worse. I don't see why you would want a downgrade. Is the 4202 too op or something?

Comparing stats from pc to blitz is just... lol

The cent is the same thing. With a worse hull. A downgrade. No. We don't want that.

[twin egret]

@winged barn hull doesn't really matter when you got those really awful bulging track balls(?) at the ends of the hull, when charging someone and swerving they'll get hit :\

Centurion AX also has a lot of acceleration too...

[winged barn]

The tank has a ton of acceleration. Nobody is going to be consistently hitting that unless you decide it's a great plan to sit in front of an enemy.

[unique scaffold]

It’s a tech tree centurion it’s not really mobile also why would you swerve in a 4202 to someone like that you have an auto bounce plate for a literal reason

[thick rover]

Cent ax plz :))

[twin egret]

🤔 sometimes it richochets and ends up hitting my turret and penning so swerving a tiny bit left and right helps, not swerving like crazy though only micro adjustments

[willow hawk]

Aww man what did I start lol...

The original reason why I suggested the introduction of the Cent AX or the turret armor buff of the 4202 is because the 4202 just isn’t as effective hulldown like other mediums in its tier.

Then again the CAX’s turret isn’t a lot better, but the cupola is a bit more difficult to hit

[tribal moss]

Smh I don't see anybody complaining about the Prog's weak turret armour
(Tis a joke lol)

[sturdy fractal]

I think if you replaced the 4202 with the AX, it just adds another simplistic hulldown tank to the game, we already have loads of those, the 4202 offers something incredible unique which may not suit the meta perfectly, but is enjoyable nonetheless

[hardy hazel]

The problem with its hull armor is that it is useless when you have a small butter piece as a turret, also, nobody wants all the turret to be red, ppl see the word buff and start to say it would be broken without giving it a try, the turret ring is big and weak, everybody would pen you there, a small buff there will not make the tank op as everybody says and make it pretty much HESH proof.
And, instead of buffing the turret, why not give it another turret more armored just for the heat gun? That would keep the HESH gun untouched and nobody will cry about it.

[twin egret]

so like on Console?

[hardy hazel]

Dont know, i dont have console 🤔

[sturdy fractal]

But say if we do get the AX, why would you play it over the STB or M48? Its only real advantage is better gun handling and better side armour over the STB, but everything else it loses at

[hardy hazel]

+100mm HE pen

[sturdy fractal]

Cent AX only has cheap HESH

[hardy hazel]

Yeah, and?

But Cent AX is not 4202 and +100mm HE is more usefull than your average 105 gun HE pen

[full token]

Hesh is a big reason to play the 4202

[distant river]

Hesh is... The only reason to play the 4202?

[coarse harness]

^^^

[unique scaffold]

and dont insta-ban me for that, give a reason why it should not be used

[gleaming apex]

fryta#6367 was muted

[rare sleet]

Wait a minute why does annihilator have better view range than the best view ranged heavy in t10.
fv215b has 288.1m
Annihilator has 288.2m

[stiff wigeon]

Money

[signal roost]

the explorers turn rate should be buffed so that it can actually circle enemies properly.

[orchid grove]

@rare sleet Vents. It has the same view range as all the autoloader heavies (50b, KRV, T57) if they all run Vents

[rare sleet]

but its a t7 man bruh wargaming needs to rework spotting

[hardy hazel]

Or just nerf Heavy tanks view range

[full token]

I wonder if that’s even possible because they say they won’t nerf tanks that were paid for, and there’s heavies that cost money

[rare sleet]

No if they nerf a whole class it doesn't count as nerfing the tank cuz u could say they nerfed all heavy view range by 10%

Prem tanks before that had preferential matchmaking technically got nerfed when wargaming removed +2 -2

[obtuse cedar]

nice job ignoring 50% of the tank lol. in my opinion turret armor > hull armor

[full token]

As he said the turret armor is the same on pc

[winged barn]

The turret is literally the same thing.

The only difference armor wise is the hull on a 4202 is significantly better, and its half the size. What 50% did I ignore?

[foggy aurora]

The turrets only look the same but they have different armor layouts and the differences between the vehicle are substantial especially when both tanks are compared hulldown as the AX has much more armor on the turret then the 4202

[nimble zodiac]

😳 Correct me if I'm wrong about what I'm showin tho, I figured it was FV4202 vs Cent X

[winged barn]

Let me try and get this through some thick skulls.

The. Turret. Is. The. Same. Shape.

Let's take a look at some cases of armor profiles being adjusted.

Tiger 2.
Hmmmm yes.
but on pc it has...

Yea, this isn't pc. You are literally comparing a tank balanced for tier 8 to a tank balanced for tier 10.

Adjust the armor thickness and you achieve literally the same effect. The. Turret. Is. The. Same.

[orchid grove]

@nimble zodiac fwiw, Cent AX turret used to look just like 4202 turret, but it received a buff.

Actually Cent AX turret used to be weaker than the Blitz 4202 turret is now

[nimble zodiac]

They want AX's armor though, y'know :p

[stray verge]

You want to buff the 4202s turret and not have a unique tank anymore? What really needs to happen is a mobility/camo buff so that the 4202 can use the HESH more effectively. We have enough hulldown tanks, only mediums that has their gameplay centered on relocating and not hulldown is Leo. 1, 4202, and Object 140

[winged barn]

We just have so many people going "reeeee 4202 bad must replace with AX"

and I'm like... no

[orchid grove]

Cent AX isn't really fundamentally any different from Blitz 4202, but I would support replacing it with 4202 simply because Cent AX is sexy AF, and I would actually play it as opposed to 4202.

[hardy hazel]

actually it will remain unique, there is no other medium tank that have a special HE ammo at its tier

Also, i asked for a new turret only for the HEAT gun, a turret with more armor than the HESH one because everyone thinks that a little bit more of armor will make the tank op

[full token]

The Cent AX if it gets the prammo HESH would fit the line better as the tier 8 and 9 are Centurions with better turrets than hulls. But i dont mind the 4202

[willow hawk]

Now that I agree with 🤣

[twin egret]

They nerfed my T2 Light... 😭

[versed tide]

why dont we just have 4202 and cent ax in the game and do smth like the 140 and 62a ._.

[full token]

Sounds like it’d make a great collector tank

[versed tide]

WG employee has entered the chat

[sturdy fractal]

We can't gave both for the same reason we couldn't have both tbr FV215b and Super Conq, or the FV215b 183 and Badger, but nonetheless I'd love to see thr AX added as a tech tree alternativr

[twin egret]

when the next #828563844514971680 thing happens again, I will ask why they turned several tanks that are tech tree tanks on PC/Console into Colletor tanks. One of the blatant things that annoy the heck out of me is how Wargaming literally turned a whole line into collector tanks (AMX 30 B line)

[versed tide]

and what reason is that?

[willow hawk]

To take advantage of an opportunity to make profit 🤷‍♂️

Also to limit the number of such vehicles in battles. Too many might break the mm. But this is not the place to discuss mm. So....

[sturdy fractal]

Money, the amount of profit they can make from making a single tank and the selling it is bigger than the amount they would get from making it, along with a whole tech tree and releasing them for free, at least in the short term

[sudden granite]

“Don’t compare us to the PC version, we are completely separate and make separate decisions about how we add new tanks.”

[twin egret]

sounds like a bunch of Excuses tbh since most of the playerbase would like to see the majority of the collector tanks to be tech tree tanks? or it sounds/seems like they do

[hardy hazel]

New lines are welcome all day everyday, because this is what the game needs, not new op premiums and collectors in crates

But full of premium tanks and pretty much no new lines like rn, yeah, everybody loves that

[nimble zodiac]

Yes, make it so large of a game it'll be PC only ;)

[versed tide]

i dont think new lines add that much space and strain

[stray verge]

If anything, Cent AX should probably be a reward tank (not a collector where all it takes is a 7 year old with their mommys credit card)

[twin egret]

boo hoo what am I going to do if I can't play WoTb on my 10 year old phone?!? Oh right, I could just get a new one and perform just as good as a 500$ computer from 2018....

[versed tide]

like something with the sheri missile where if you have the fv 4202 within a certain time you get cent or smth like that

[chrome cradle]

TVP VTU stock turret is better than top turret change my mind

[stray verge]

No, it should be a tank that you earn either through rating or clan wars

[versed tide]

clan wars doesnt exist

[stray verge]

They did but Wargaming has yet to bring them back

[versed tide]

they do need to replace is6 fearless

[signal cove]

gary

add gary as attachment

[orchid grove]

That wasn't run by wargaming, that was player run

[stray verge]

I knew clan wars were a thing but i didn’t know the exact details. Thanks for the information though

[versed tide]

Clan wars were a thing on pc not blitz

[crystal spoke]

Blitz had clan wars as well

[unique scaffold]

Listen to this its quite interesting so how would rating battles turn out if tanks like the annihilater and smasher were banned? Basically what I’m saying is rating battles are meant to be a place where you test your skill right? So isn’t it common sense that only tech tree tanks should be allowed to participate in rating battles? And other abomination like the annihilater and smasher plus all other overpowered premium and collecters should be banned? Don’t mind the writing folks English is a second language for me 🙂 anyways think about it from a neutral standpoint

[mental pasture]

No problem, also your grammar is actually pretty good for someone that isn't used to the language.

Well, I kinda disagree with the 'only tech tree tanks' idea in tournments or ranked battles, but theres some tanks that really need to be banned from those for the sake of serious matches balance, as like WOT did

[unique scaffold]

To be honest if they made it only tech tree tanks that can participate think about it...wouldn’t that make players play the tech tree tanks that are freely available more? Unlike how its now that the premium and collecter tanks are being played more and produce more skilled players rather than just straight up pay2win players anyways with that being said I absolutely understand your opinion especially since there are some nice balanced premium and collecter tanks that wouldn’t hurt the rating battles but then again why I stand firmly on my point is the free availability of the numerous tech tree tanks

[versed tide]

I would enjoy having no prems so that a lot of tech tree tanks would become relevant again

[tidal rose]

and the game would bankrupt and die

[hardy hazel]

Nah, they can always put anni in crates and sell smasher for 50$ and ppl will still buy them even if those arent new tanks

[candid steeple]

I think that WG doesn't understand what accuracy 0.286 means. I mean it means that in my last 3 games shot after a shoot at easy hit is missed. Good design WG.

[hardy hazel]

Well, its .286 not .001 thats is .285 to be pinpoint accurate and never miss

[candid steeple]

I missed side of the maus 2 times while aiming at the turret 50m+ away. Yeah that okay. Talking about obj. 268.

[leaden flare]

yeah well if you want to hit the side dont aim for the turret its that easy
or show a replay so we can actually see if you just did a horrible shot or if it actually was rng

[candid steeple]

Eh I don't record replays since they don't work after WG does bigger update.

[leaden flare]

Mine never stopped working they are just gone after an update unless recorded with 3rd party software but if you can't give any evidence of how and where you shot the council will decide in favour of the defendent , in this case RNG, so it was personal failure

[mental pasture]

Not all premiums are P2W tho, some of them are even more balanced than a lot of tech tree

About the lack of relevance in certain tanks, this can only be resolved by decreasing the powercreep and buffs in a lot of tanks (even premiums tho)

[uneven narwhal]

Day 1 of asking for a Smasher and Annihilator nerf

[deep bluff]

Maybe Buff the kv-4 a little bit more to fit the meta like a armor buff on the turret on the main, it would make it easier if the kv-4 had more armor for those who are trying to grind for is-4 and will definitely make our lives better.

[deep bluff]

Wdym, I get constantly penetrated on cupola angled or not, Idk if its rng or not.

[candid steeple]

Ah yes because you get shot in cupola that means that armor is weak. Good excuse lol. That cupola is so small and with vigling the turret it's not easy to hit it. It's just a bad play by driver.

I just don't like this WG making broken sh*t an then buffing other tanks to stupidity because they can't designed anything balanced anymore because of their stupid policy and then you got a guy still complaining about buffed stuff. Yes let the tank not have weak spots. That's a good design.

@cunning pond here's a tip. Look at pinned massages and see what you typed wrong here. Also yes players are terrible deal with it. That's blitz.

[cunning pond]

why two days in a row I can't keep winning? LOL Is any changes in ballance?

[pseudo hedge]

If u wanna win more I suggest buffing your own skill instead of whining.

[cunning pond]

just for 6 days I need wins to get sheridan missle LOL

[rare sleet]

wargaming would never replace fv4202 with action X because Wargaming probably will want to sell Cent AX for money like badger etc

[versed tide]

Ik just it would be cool if they added it along as a researchable tank from the 7/1

[hardy hazel]

thinking about it, wg should buff the servers 🤔

[frosty flare]

Are you thinking about buffing a little bit the centurion 7/1's mobility? the ratio mobility/armor isn't enough, you feel more like a fast heavy without a lot of armor, it could be a really fun tank with some more top speed

[junior field]

I hope it's not forbidden to post screenshots but how is this pen even possible at that angle? (at the roof)(nearly on the same elevation)

[hardy hazel]

Maybe overmatch or someone got the higher ground

[pseudo hedge]

If u have High enough pen or even if u hit the right pixel u can pen that.

[junior field]

ok but that still shouldnt be a thing... I mean if he hit me in the cupola ok but thats just stupid

[sharp saddle]

With enough pen you can start hitting the roof and cheeks

[hardy hazel]

120mm gun will go thru if it have more than 206mm pen

[candid steeple]

Of 8 6 shots penned without gold fired. Top damage in the game. Still lost credits. Good job WG. I noticed in my games that in obj. 268 it is harder to earn credits then in other tanks.

[hardy hazel]

Which camo do you have in it?

[candid steeple]

The most normal one that you can find. Also no provisions.

[versed tide]

just get prem I legit got 720 days prem time from mystery crates

[last shadow]

imagine buying crates v2

[candid steeple]

Imagine paying the money for a game about which developers don't care.

[hardy hazel]

Try putting some rare or gold camo, the ones you get in the free battle pass, those have free restock

[versed tide]

Mystery crates were worth it

[unique scaffold]

Ngl tracks are indestructible

[leaden flare]

mystery crates were for gold tho so you could've gotten them for free
And hell yes they were worth every bit of gold

[sturdy fractal]

That's a 38mm plate, which can be auto-penned by any 120mm or bigger gun at any angle due to the three calibres rule

[winged barn]

Hahaha, armor equipment go brrrrr

[cyan mauve]

im in the na server, can i get the NA server role please?

[vast relic]

#surveys

[pseudo hedge]

Ah yes. Frequent updates and Events are "not caring".
Guess I'm not caring for my dog then with frequent walks and pets.

[still geode]

I have a balance question

[winged mica]

Legit feel like the tvp vtu still needs a buff
Question is how tf does this bounce when I’m basically parallel to the tiger and little higher in elevation. Heads up I’m also using callibrated shells on the max gun and still get this. Also the match before this I also got pen in the gun not the mantlet cheeks or turret but the actual gun

[dense walrus]

If you bothered to read my reply, look at the shot, or process the replay in wotinspector, you would know that you hit the turret ring. If you simply want to make an ignorant complaint, be my guest. I won't waste my time.

[candid steeple]

Hitting turret ring doesn't mean that you will bounce. You comment is as useless as saying nothing. It's obvious that he hit in line with turret ring but what actually happened to bounce.

It looks like he hit in the area between turret and hull where is a smal gap but it's actually so close to hitting the hull and turret where the 2 connects that I got no idea.

I get that but it's so so close from hitting anything but what you said is probably the thing.

[pseudo hedge]

You hit either the bottom of the Turret or the top of the engine deck and because your caliber isn't big enough to overmatch it you bounced.

You didn't hit the turret ring at Tanky said.whoops that wasn't your post. Should've pinged the right one.

[dense walrus]

@candid steeple where the hull and turret connect, kinda like the turret ring.

[unique scaffold]

Chance of hitting that must be very low

[nimble zodiac]

Sorry that tiger had enough respect for them to assume the shell hit a part of the turret ring that will bounce the shell :p

Miracles happen, now don't they?

[candid steeple]

That gap between turret and hull is like a magnet. I missed quit a lot of times just because shell decided that it's the best place to go to. Honestly it's not miracle. It's the shell trolling you.

You can all relate this with T34 right?

[winged mica]

that is such bs that it bounces off of that and do 0 dmg where tf does the shell go? does the shell just dissipate and do nothing?

[candid steeple]

You are the ignorant one ain't you?

Tip: Look above and read what people say Lmao.

[nimble zodiac]

@winged mica it went through a ricochet, and hit nothing else

[winged mica]

i see that but even if it did hit any of those spots why would it say its pennable cause there is no red anywhere on that tank except the front of the hull and turret yet they still make it bounce off something that i should had pen easily cause its basically not even angled or angled enough to make it bounce like that. Sure let say it may have bounced off the top of the engine deck or bottom of the turret but why make it look like its a for sure pen when it does that crap

[nimble zodiac]

1. There's the red
2. They hit such a tiny spot that the shell's visual hit made it harder to see the red
3. It hit a very angled plate, so it should have bounced
4. It bounced off of the turret ring, the rear of it, not the deck or turret underside

[winged mica]

Better angle of the shot on the tiger shows it actually pens the turret but rng be like nah your shot going to just go thru and sliding along the turret ring. Also got like two other angles of this shot but cause of discord image limit gotta do it one at a time

[nimble zodiac]

That doesn't signify a penetration...

[nimble zodiac]

Again, that effect comes from a ricochet, it doesn't just tink off with no visual cue, sparks fly

[candid steeple]

Give us screen shot of where it penned or ricocheted after all the sparkly effects are gone.

That should end this discussion.

[last shadow]

Why is there even a discuss about that?
It's not like there are at least 2 of such shell fired in every game /s (only you)

[manic lodge]

Does anybody know how I ended up in a tier 7-9 in a stock T20?

[hardy hazel]

Magic

[candid steeple]

WG coding went brrrrrrrrr

[foggy aurora]

There’s only 2 ways and one is fail platooning which is the most likely and next is just the server messing up but that’s highly unlikely but it can happen

[latent snow]

Send screenshot

[gleaming apex]

Vdoor#1920 was banned

[ocean folio]

😳

[uneven narwhal]

Day 2 of asking for a Smasher and Annihilator nerf

[sweet flicker]

And a centurion I buff

[river valley]

HEAT from Borsig?

[river valley]

which tank are you using?

[pseudo hedge]

It'll never happen spare your time

[full token]

That’s what was said about atgms too

[uneven narwhal]

^^^

[candid steeple]

I mean even if they nerf annihilator and smasher at this point game is so ruined at tier V VI and VIII because of their absurd buff to everything else that without nerfing Annihilator and Smasher and canceling all buffs in last 2 years to those tiers then they accomplished nothing. They ruined it so much but it's obvious that they don't care so on't expect them respecting entire communities opinion what soever. Honestly I would be more okay for having only Annihilator and Smasher being OP also nerfed a bit and nothing else buffed. This is just a mess at this point.

[quartz tartan]

Why cant world of tank blitz have instead of turnaments be like the world of tanks were we get to select a pieace of land off the global map and we try to take it over and if we do and we hold that land for a day we get so much gold each day for it. why cant world of tanks blitz be like that.

[remote oriole]

Because they only have limited development resources and rather want to dedicate them to something that benefits all players and not just the top clans that will fight it out between them who owns the plots of land

[novel depot]

why do you write it on every chat?

You can write on #general-blitz-discussion if you don't know where to write something

[quartz tartan]

I did not no who I needed to talk to about this sorry.

[remote oriole]

I highly recommend to not write anything in #general-blitz-discussion if you want to be heard or any sort of serious discussion. Instead, write it in one chat of your choice in the Chat with Devs category

The only exception is MM complains because the mods are a bit touchy about them, those go straight to #general-blitz-discussion

[candid steeple]

Well they could make a MM room since a lot of people complain about it. It will be full in no time lmao.

[unique scaffold]

This company is in try hard mode right now to achieve as much milking as possible so truthfully they’ll never ever nerf the annihilater nor the smasher I won’t say all they care about but what they care about most is milking this game before it dies out

[leaden flare]

I have the feeling the company's selling habits do not count as a balance discussion
At a certain skill lvl you can almost balance out the op tanks with normal tanks you're used to play
I don't have much issues at T7 8 whatsoever except sometime ridiculous teammates and if that's the case just grab a good toonmate or quit problem solved
I agree that they are op but they aren't invincible and I wouldn't mind if they got nerfed even tho I own some of them but rarely play them because they don't give a good amount of wn8

Prove it or I didn't happen since I can't remember playing anything below t6 and t6 was just because my toonmate wanted to @pasta#9510
Unless pasta can prove its accusations they are not existing 😂
He's trolling
God that wr is horrible
My 30days are down below so I've got nothing to fear

[humble olive]

@leaden flare I’ve seen you clubbing seals noob. You won’t trick pasta don’t even try. Admit it or i message 3very and you look for a new clan🤣. No you are trolling last chance to plea for guilty

[nimble zodiac]

Looks legit, why are you full on attacking this guy?

[humble olive]

Privilege of being in the same clan 🤣

[nimble zodiac]

baHAAAHAAH

I’m not even on his server, nice try. Called blitzstars.com, go have fun with it

Alright alright 👀

[full token]

He meant he is in the same clan, not you

[candid steeple]

I think you are the only one who understood him wrong lol

[nimble zodiac]

It’s a trap!

Man these 7AM vibes got me slipping up

[humble olive]

Oh about the balance changes!

if(findConsumable(reticle_calibration, FV183) == true)
{
GameState() = fixed;
}

[candid steeple]

Someone has had fun with half ass C++ kek

[novel depot]

No thank you

[humble olive]

;-;

[junior field]

Think it was a SU or ISU but yeah... overmatched as it seems (happened again :/)

[candid steeple]

obj. 268 dispersion 0.285. I honestly have to make a compilation on what shots I am missing. This tank is supposed to be accurate.

[humble olive]

@chrome ether no it’s my profile picture! Don’t plagiarize!

[gleaming apex]

Enes#5304 has been warned.

[humble olive]

😂

[leaden flare]

My 268 bits perfectly seems to be a you problem just aim better and I guess you run refined on it which I don't use because Id rather have a quick aim time

[winged mica]

tvp vtu

[karmic dock]

"The amount of them doesnt effect the balance system"

[dark glen]

That are totally balanced, only 61.45 WR, pffff weak

[acoustic heath]

ye nah its not enough players to nerf it

[candid valley]

ofc not, it's only the most played tank in the entire game

[candid steeple]

It's good that WG is letting a lot of people spam that tank and fake their WR. Annihilator and Smasher nah it's not a problem for the game. We wont talk about it that 40% wr players got 60% wr on annihilator. WG mentality goes brrr, gotta milk more.

[versed tide]

Again they won’t nerf the most played tank and a premium

[ocean folio]

The annihilator needs a major nerf. It's broken asf, and ruins tier 6-7. I don't even play that their anymore because I'd go against an Annihilator platoon every other game

[nimble zodiac]

@humble olive 183 is accurate enough :p

[candid steeple]

I also like how every game you see WT played by 40% player or above but still average wr is 54%. Yeah tank is not too strong. I don't care about people wining but WT has no armor. What does it not have except armor? Just that flexibility with a turret makes it broken. T30 is slow and has worse dpm in it's tier. But yeah it's a good tank.

Tbh majority of players are under 50%. FV 183 is the only tank has has under 50% wr. But still it's annoying as * to see it in games.

[willow hawk]

The 183 is so accurate it still needs a dispersion nerf

[versed tide]

nerf the tank with the lowest wr sounds like wg balance right there

[dapper osprey]

Can we balance the vickers Cr ? I’ve been playing it and I think it’s super strong, I bounce shots that I shouldn’t and I have to mobility and dpm to get away with stuff I shouldn’t be able to.

[white parcel]

The annihilator need a general buff •^•

[last shadow]

I didn't understand a single word he just said

[gleaming apex]

milanmrlian#1465 was muted

[nimble zodiac]

Oh man it was him

[unique scaffold]

Can the Kampfpanzer have gun depression so I can actually hull down

[nimble zodiac]

Y'know... 6 degrees isn't actually that painful

@stray verge you don't balance tanks by not playing them.

The point of this is to consider what would make a tank balanced, and discuss what implementations seem necessary for that to be achieved. If you don't play the tank, it won't be balanced that way, and a balanced tank is what we want

[unique scaffold]

Ngl kinda is when the tanks short

[leaden flare]

6° gundepression for a tank that has to rely on hulldown is horrible it has russian style gd but doesnt get any of the russian benefits

even hulldown its weakspots are huge and dont tell me you actually try to shoot the hatches if yes then youre doing it 100% wrong

@stray verge you seem like a pretty stupid person ngl
just dont play the tank is even worse then the argument just dodge the missle back in atgm days
and cyan WN8 is pretty terrible

@nimble zodiac the hitboxes and the model wont be a problem the tank irl has 9° so ingame it should easily be possible to buff the gd to some degree
I can tell you a lot of things in which kpz is underperforming
it lacks pen
its slower then the other heavyiums
its turret is full of huge easily penned weakspots
it has horrible gun depression
its dpm is very low
the hull armor isnt good either
its alpha is the lowest for all 152mm guns
its HE is just a joke considering its a pretty big risk to use but only gives 80 dmg more and you cant even use it on tanks like WT or borsig because spall liner gives ur HE worse alpha then your HEAT shell
lowest health for a german heavy

[stray verge]

why cry about buffing the kpf when you can just not play the freaking tank

@nimble zodiac you dont play the tank, you dont play trash

[unique scaffold]

Because it’s fun and I want to see it improved?

[nimble zodiac]

Anyways, 6 degrees, understandably, isn't very lax with your dynamics, but if they were to give it more, they would either leave hitboxes cutting into each other, or they would need to rework the hitbox shape.

I doubt Kpf performs badly enough to warrant a change like that, but if they want to make a damage + turret armor-based tank better, sure.

Gotta remind you, the hitboxes aren't cutting edge to what it is in real life. Yes, hitbox changes don't seem to be too hard, but the effort for a meh change seems unproductive

[unique scaffold]

I mean that kinda sounds like a dumb excuse considering it could reach 10-12 degrees I know that’s overkill of course but still doesn’t mean they couldn’t have been just generous and give it 7 instead of a puny 5 mm gold pen and 10 dmg buff for gold

[leaden flare]

basically nothing about the tank is even slightly good except is you call 560 dgm per hit good
T10s can actually just straight up heat pen your turret front even hulldown
whats the point of the tank when its pretty much worse in every aspect compared tot he heavys of its tier

the tier has tanks like WT that have 3k+ dpm, 640 alpha, more pen , full HE dmg for the 155 , better gun depression same mobility and on top HE protection which evens out the fact that is has no armor
the only thing it doesnt have is hp

[tepid latch]

cuz kpf looks good
+100 style points
now its op

[nimble zodiac]

This is what gets me though

Sure you have the great K-91 and of course the new tanks on the block, but it performs rather well among its fellow tier 9 heavies

[leaden flare]

what bother me most is that the tank has a terrible skill cap

• what i want to say with that is most good players will outperform kpz in most of the other tanks due to factors like a decent dmg increase when firing HE or better armor etc

and i have no clue why people play that bad in tanks like E75 etc but my guess is the difference is there because kpz always comes with 100% crew and no grind is needed while E75 and such suffer from grinding and stock crew or even the 50% crew wierdos

@MS-1#1707 except for the fact kpz is nowhere near enjoyable to play T49 you dish out high dmg with a very mobile tank

kpz is just meh mobile and doesnt hit hard with the HE and ive had enough times rolling as low as 480 with HE thats lower then T49s HE could ever roll

also you got T92E1 and sheri with the exact same gun dealing more dmg and also having a higher splash doing more crew and module crits

[nimble zodiac]

Kpf reminds me of T49, hecken fun to play sometimes, but shouldn't look that good on paper

[unique scaffold]

Except the two are different ones fun to play and has working HE the other is just the kpz

[urban flare]

annihilator needs some nerf. i also didn't play back then but maybe there's a possibility people got the annihilator for free instead of paying so far which means nerf is easier

[quick lichen]

K-91 isn’t a tier 9. It’s a tier 9.5 in all seriousness

[nimble zodiac]

So they really did it... they made a tier 9 and a half...

Still wondering about the IS-7 at tier 1

[quick lichen]

Is-7 is also a tier 9.5

[nimble zodiac]

I refuse >:(

If they patch up that 30mm turret node :p

[autumn zodiac]

WZ-111-5A is a tier 9, so it does get worse

[versed tide]

Sad 5a noises

[oak zephyr]

No you had to pay $10 to get anni

[quick lichen]

Doubt

[vocal shard]

Same ^, I either see terrible players in it(huge problem in the first place), or unicums playing it, really no in-between

[quick lichen]

The 5a is a better Is7

[nimble zodiac]

:(
I refuse

[thick rover]

Why better

[uneven narwhal]

Day 3 of asking for a Smasher and Annihilator nerf

[unique scaffold]

Will never happen unless different people take control of balancing

[covert marlin]

5a is better because you can sell it for 7.5k gold

[twin egret]

the K-91 we have in game is the K-91-II I believe

[hearty steeple]

Yes the blitz k-91 is the k-91 version 2 which is a tier 8 premium medium in wot pc

[thick rover]

HAHA

[outer glen]

Tortoise buff when

[vital basalt]

i just realized that most of British tanks are just bad,Torto,Cent 1,Caernarvon,Conqueror and all of these needs a huge or minor buff

@hardy hazel i know i played Conq and i fell in love with that gun but like you said,it needs just a little bit turret armour buff or maybe side armour buff because 51 mm side armour in tier 9 heavy is just ridiculously bad

[misty herald]

read my name

[hardy hazel]

No

@vital basalt conqueror is ok, the only thing it needs is a small turret buff but leaving that aside the tank is great

[misty herald]

read ma name🥵 🥵

[uneven narwhal]

Buff the front plate TBH, IS-4 just butters through a non-angled front with HEAT

[outer glen]

Speed booster on 183 branch when

[frail yoke]

day 15 of trying to handle them

[misty herald]

buff the is 7 side armor u get clapped by he shells and boom ammo rack

[versed tide]

Sounds like your over angling

[ocean folio]

I've bounced the side of the Is7 so much, it's angled wierd or something.

[sharp saddle]

Are you shooting into the top part of the side armour?

[river valley]

Can ISU-152 with the BL-10 gun get like 3 or 4 seconds more reload because its extremely OP

[autumn zodiac]

What

How

What are you doing to make it seem op

Sitting in front of it and not shooting it?

[river valley]

It has monstrous pen short reload what else u need to make a tank OP

[unique scaffold]

Actual armor
and a brain

All I want is AMX 40 with improved Penetration. All I ask

[sharp saddle]

@river valley that tank is all about the gun. It’s a good gun, but the tank sacrifices things for it

[uneven narwhal]

It's gun is good but it practically has non-existent armor (only troll bounces on the turret)
And ONLY 1010 HP without Improved Assembly at Tier 8
It's pretty balanced

[signal roost]

Ye conqueror need turret and side armour buff, it’s gun is rlly good tho

[river valley]

1010 HP is enough bc it doesnt eat HE like for example Rhm or AMX AC 48 to sides and rear, also when u camp 300m away u dont need armor just gun thats all.

[full token]

It gets nuked when spotted. The mobility isn’t that great either, it’s pretty much just the gun that’s good on it

[viscid shell]

Hy I have a doubt about ramming in gravity mode. Tier 6 su 100 y is 64 ton in weight heaviest in tier 6 I guess. Why when I ram tier 5,6 heavies I am getting massively damaged.

[river valley]

it depends on weight and armor not only weight

[slim rain]

It’s not op, but it is annoying to deal with sometimes since the majority of isu players only camp with it

[versed tide]

What else are you meant to do in it

[winged barn]

Me spotting for my team with it
👀

[nimble zodiac]

@river valley if you give the ISU that much more reload time, then it becomes pointless

Unless the tier 8 gun is unaffected, but it's quite annoying having ludicrous DPM waste away

[safe rapids]

yeah, because most everything else is either trash or average. Taking away the gun means there is no point to the tank

[leaden flare]

The pen is far over the top and it gets really good Dpm so idk I think the gun itself is too strong
Mobility never was an issue for me in isu and bouncing shots wasnt that hard, lots of provoked gun mantlet bounces or the occasional sidescrape if possible compared to tanks like du 101 or AC 48 it's far to strong it's not broken but definetly doesn't need the pen to be at 286

[sturdy fractal]

The high pen is one of the unique reasons you'd play the ISU, and besides, the devs-answers winrate graphs show it to just be an above average performer, but no where near on par with the AT-15 or Jagdtiger 8,8cm

[pseudo hedge]

Your all acting as if the ISU had Grille 15 accuracy which I definitely dosnt have.
The short reload gets balanced by the long aiming time and reliance on RNG.

[fierce crag]

i have belief in Soviet power so i don't need that long aim time

[deft owl]

Soviet tanks doesnt need to aim, stalin guides the shells all the time.

[uneven narwhal]

Day 4 of asking for a Smasher and Annihilator nerf

[twin egret]

🤔 some tanks in Blitz need a bit of a redesign in terms of either turret or the hull, like the FV4202 for the turret (please Dev team, don't make the turret look like the one on WoT PC, it looks way awful than the historically accurate one) for example

[rustic hemlock]

To me the t20 has too thin armour. Maybe the lower plate should get some armour but not too much. The top turret should get 13mm more in my opinion. And the reload on the top gun should be slightly lowered

[dapper osprey]

Buff the dpm on the kpf 2k per minute is not swag but ig it makes up for it with 560 alpha at tier 9

[burnt prism]

The kpf.pz 70 needs a gun depresion buff, not a dpm buff tbh. You can somewhat work with the dpm, but the fact that going hull down with that tank is so hard and requires you to wiggle non stop cuz of a huge weakspot makes it meh sometimes

[river valley]

It needs pen buff

[misty herald]

day 1 of asking IS-7 sidearmor buff

[burnt prism]

pen buff also lol

[river valley]

Day 1 of asking IS tanks getting wet ammorack

[leaden flare]

I already think I don't want to go play T10 if there is testing tanks around again
Im still, even tho I don't know them, fairly certain that they'll end up op like 85% of the time and that certain EU clans will spam them again just to take advantage of them

[boreal ruin]

nerf smasher and annihilator

[mighty latch]

they will dont do it... you need to show them money if you want something from them to do

[quasi pond]

please for the love of god remove T95E6 cupola

[tepid latch]

Just like certain NA testers. Some have more than 400+ battles with 3.7k+ avg where most of their tanks are borderline 3k. It’s absolutely disgusting.

[leaden flare]

We had yoh testers with like 2,5k in normal tanks and then yoh with 3,6k and spammed quite a few battles it's just abusing the testing rights for own profit

@raven dawn AT-15 is alread a god tier T8 tank

[raven dawn]

At line buff,
At7 removal or armor buff for cupolas, i mean cmon tanks will penetrate your hull anyway. A general upgrade for armor on those tanks (and t28 for american line) would be nice. Not to make them have no weak spots, but so that people need to aim to hit them
Even if you dont buff armor for at7 please give it better all round gun angles

[rare sleet]

I want fv4202 hatch removed it’s useless and ugly for the already weak turret

[tepid latch]

also the mastery pad, seen a tester with about 80 masterys in 100 battles, and he only had 200 career masters

[raven dawn]

Just make test tanks not effect stats boom

[hardy hazel]

Thats a nice one

[winged barn]

Of you could test tanks that actually need testing. If you can look at the stats and go: hmmm yes, this is broken, it needs to be changed before it even goes into testing.

We don't need testing to determine:
Hmmmm yes, broken tank is indeed broken.

[tepid latch]

wg: after all, why shouldnt i
why shouldnt i make it 900 dmg in 2 sec

[winged barn]

Its effectively a 183.
With armor
Hp pool
Gun depression
Turret
Dpm
This is fine

[leaden flare]

It was within 1,4 sek

[silk tangle]

Su 101 needs a buff for it s reload time btw

[novel depot]

183 is bad, that's why M-6-YOH looks like this compared to 183, and 183 has HESH, so it deals 1200 usually. I mean, M-6-YOH is op anyway.

[hardy hazel]

Let it get your weak spot, if it does 900 with ap it will do way more with HE

[winged barn]

1200 is only if the 183 finds an idiot to shoot and if rng cooperates. The ap gives consistency. Ap is generally a much better shell type to use.

[nimble zodiac]

Guys, Jageroo does 1200, 183 does 1300 o-o

Well, if you splash, then yes, definitely, not even up to 1200, but I get pretty good rolls sometimes. Don't underestimate average damage >:)

[novel depot]

yeah, but it usually does less

[leaden flare]

Jageroo has 1,2k HE alpha
183 has 1,3k HE alpha

sry confused it with AP max roll xD

[nimble zodiac]

@leaden flare you joking about Jageroo lowrolling HE again? o-o

N i c e

[willow hawk]

Pulled a 1475 ever? Lol man the satisfaction

[midnight fable]

Last night if I remember correctly I did over 1500 in my 183 in gravity mode on another 183.

Yeah, well, I didnt have the irridator from mad games in gravity mode

[leaden flare]

did a 2k+ in mad games 😂 thats way better

[nimble zodiac]

I'm more of a 1625 kinda guy

[misty herald]

Day 2 of askin buff is7 sidearmors

[nimble zodiac]

Side armor was never the problem with IS-7

The gun isn’t scary enough to stop a push or a picked fight. The speed isn’t high enough to give it a very noticeable edge, and the armor problem is on the frontal pike, the pike is why it can’t sidescrape, not the side armor. And the accuracy isn’t good enough to where people are literally asking for prammo buffs because they need a larger target to hit

@safe rapids

1. The thing barely ever gets to 50
2. 460 is not much over 420, and under 640
3. I like the tank myself, I just wish the gun was more threatening so people wouldn't treat it like a joke in battle

[safe rapids]

Wdym? The thing goes 50kph, the alpha slap is quite high for a Tier X heavy, and the turret armor is fantastic, plus the hull is decent. The IS-7 has a bad reputation because of so many new players playing it, but overall it's not a terrible tank.

Fine, if it needs a buff give it a slightly higher power/weight ratio, buff the alpha to 480, boom the tank is more competitive.

[leaden flare]

FV215b with less armor and less hp goes 42 top speed with the super speed boost for what ive tested maybe that was on slight incline but it is slower after all

for what i have experienced the gun isnt that great but thats probably me
lowrolling a lot and missing shots where im just banging my head against a wall because the shot was well aimed but the shot flys off to space

[sudden granite]

Has the reactive armour and great gun to spank meds/tds

[reef kiln]

modern tanks are op. imo

[leaden flare]

Kpz disagrees

[twin egret]

Does anyone even use the Protect Kit Consumable? I feel like it's so unused

[reef kiln]

slow mo again😫

[leaden flare]

It's used in certain tanks like e5 which have a very weak ammorack

[winged barn]

It's only useful on tanks with low hp ammoracks (is7)

The e5 rack has enough health to be a 2 shot for anything. It's not gonna blow up instantly either way.

[leaden flare]

ive used it on e5 and got less often amo dmged

[signal roost]

Buff canaervon

[willow hawk]

Caernarvon is a bit difficult to buff...idk

[swift scarab]

a little bit more turret armor on the caernavon would be nice, so it would be able to hull down better

[twin egret]

give it the 32 pdr? and a bit more turret armour?

[deft owl]

@willow hawk Action X is literally a buffed Caernarvon, its stupid to think buffing caern is hard.

[willow hawk]

You just answered why it’s hard to buff the tech tree caernarvon 🤣. Solely for that reason...the existence of the CAX

[safe rapids]

Buff the Carn by buffing the turret and adding the 32-pdr gun with 300 alpha so it can actually trade

[willow hawk]

I haven’t thought of a 32 pdr...but since you guys put it in that light, it sounds like a nice idea...instead of adding another “Caernarvon Action X” to the game.

A turret buff, especially on the turret roof, would be nice too.

Buffing the tech tree caernarvon to the similar parameters of the CAX would defeat the purpose of having the CAX in game at all, other than credit farming.

WG makes money off of premium tanks. They are a business. For what sensible reason would they buff the Tech Tree Caernarvon close to the parameters of the CAX for? That would be bad for marketing the CAX in stores.

[safe rapids]

Well what WG did in PC is they removed the stock turret and replaced it with the top turret, then added a new top turret that looked the same but had 254mm of frontal armor on it. I think the 32-pdr should be an option besides the 20 so a) it's different than the AX and b) different playstle, and it can actually trade. I'd also make the stock turret of the Conq the current top turret, then make the top turret uparmored with spaced armor like the Super Conq, like what PC did. I'd also add spaced armor for the 215b's turret as well. Boom, british heavies are viable again.

Now for the MEDIUMS, we buff the turrets of both the Cent I and 7/I. They still have massive hulls that are shell magnets but at least they can confidently block some damage as they are supposed to be medium/heavy hybrids irl. 20 pdr gun gets an alpha buff to 210 (same for the 20 pdr gun on the heavy line as well), so they can trade better. The lights will not get the 20 pdr buff as that would make this entire buffing redundant. FV4202 gets a turret buff so it's basically just a Cent AX, so if the AX is added as a premium at least the FV is still good. Now the British tanks are worth grinding.

[signal roost]

7/1 is pretty good ye maybe hull armour buff, the centurion 1 is absolutely atrocious and it needs to either be entirely buffed or deleted from the game. Edit: it’s absolutely atrocious

[safe rapids]

Cent 1 just needs that turret and a bit more alpha.

[versed tide]

ye but if you do that its similar to raac and we cant have that

[safe rapids]

Well, the raac won't have a 210 alpha gun. The raac has the armor still. Cent 1 will still have a giant paper hull.

[uneven narwhal]

Day 5 of asking for a Smasher and Annihilator nerf

[maiden iron]

Day 5 of asking for a Smasher and Annihilator nerf

[uneven narwhal]

Ayy let's go

[twin egret]

I disagree with the FV4202 buff, just have the turret completely remodeled as close as possible to irl design, but don't have it look like the turret design like on WoT PC, having its cupola shrunk down would help. Giving it both HEAT and Premium HESH on the same gun would really help, there is no need for a turret buff

[fluid sentinel]

can there be an option to enable a dmg counter in settings? you can see it when you watch a replay, so I would really like to see this added into the HUD

[unique scaffold]

It does exist though?

[misty herald]

russian tank always have much gun dispersion and aiming time and u get easily ammo racked and its heavy tank almost all heavy slow but is 7 is fastest and if it get side buff then we will not get ammo racked easily

[fluid sentinel]

hm? tell me then... where and how do i use it (during a game)

[hearty steeple]

They are called ribbons. They show you a bunch of different information. The replay damage and blocked format isn't available during battle

[uneven narwhal]

Yeah, although it would be a nice addition to add Your Damage, Blocked Damage, and Assistance Damage like in WoT PC

[hearty steeple]

The issue they mentioned was the lack of screenspace to have permanent indicators for such counters for touch screens. They should atleast do this for pc and tablets as it doesn't really provide a inbattle benefits (the ribbons themselves are optional)

[twin egret]

I think it would fit nicely next to the "Ping:number here " indicator, have damage shortened to Dmg: and damage blocked to Bkd:. the indicators don't have to fancy

[full token]

Just some icons can do too. As you do damage you can see the one that changes and figure out which is damage and which is blocked dmg if you don’t understand the icons

[gleaming apex]

슈비#0241 has been warned.

[vital basalt]

When Is3 gonna gets these 20mm extra plates on upper plates?

[remote oriole]

Why?

[novel depot]

I'd prefer +10 mm on whole upper plate than +20 on just a piece of it

[vital basalt]

because its a tier 8 heavy with 190mm effective upper plate . _.
and by giving those,it can troll bounce

[remote oriole]

This tank is not about hull armour; it never was. And it’s certainly not in need of a buff

[summer badger]

Thoughts on a kpfpz 70 HE alpha buff to something like 720-750 dmg?

[remote oriole]

Well, most tanks gain like 25% alpha with their HE (compared to standard alpha). 560 x 1.25 = 700 so your proposal would give it a more reasonable HE alpha compared to the standard alpha

(The 25% increase from standard to HE is actually rarely exactly met, but it’s more or less the average and most tanks score around that value)

Here’s a spreadsheet by tankeatingtiger that shows the effect of spall liner on the HE alpha compared to the standard alpha. Now, it’s not showing exactly what I’m saying but mathematically if you add 25% to a number and then reduce that new number by 20%, you are back at the initial number. This means that the small differences between standard and HE alpha after applying the spall liner imply that the increase from standard alpha to HE alpha without the spall liner is around 25% for most tanks.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uXLOdOHLgOIbamXMsPcClBDO-rPlPWtes_ZS6b_hCIc/edit#gid=0

Alternatively, you can calculate the average increase yourself if you don’t trust this

[summer badger]

I feel like whenever you go to HE a wuf you might as well go for the standard shell. The huge rng in terms of penetration and damage always make it seem like you do 500 dmg on a 640 alpha. It should be similar to the t49 IMO, even though it would be higher than the 25% avg, it makes the HE shell actually usable. both guns have the same caliber as well.

[nimble zodiac]

Grille’s line really didn’t deserve that spall liner =(

[novel depot]

I think that 60% players still don't use it

[vital basalt]

Well its speed is also not that good only 38km/h,at least make it 42km/h like Is5 so it can be heavium anyway,its turret armour is good expect it has only -5 gun depression so its a tier 8 heavy tank with worse hull armour than tier 7s and a good turret armour which you cant even use most of time because of just -5 gd

[uneven narwhal]

I think the T57 Heavy needs a buff

1. It used to compete the the 50B and was a trade off for better intrclip but that's it
2. It does still have the best intraclip but the Kranvagn and 50B are far ahead of it
3. It goes only 35 kmph and it's "armor" is only existent for people who are either extremely unlucky or who can't aim for their life
4. After the release of the M VI Yoh, it is going to make the T57 obsolete since it will have better armor and burst potential

@novel depot Yeah but to do that, T57 needs to be exposed for 5s, Yoh only needs to do it for 1.4

@full token Yeah it'll probably be nerfed but you can't deny the fact that the T57 is bad even now

[full token]

We don’t even know the final stats of the Yoh

[novel depot]

Yeah, but point 4. is not true, if you talk about damage. T57 does 1200 damage per clip, while YOH has 900

[pseudo hedge]

But Yohji does so in 3 seconds.

[remote oriole]

It’s likely that they will nerf it after the glorious testing run with totally not predictable results

[covert marlin]

T32 needs gun buff, its so garbage. pen is garbage, handling is garbage, damage is garbage. everything about the gun is garbage. it's armour is great but the gun... the gun. it doesn't need a massive buff to it, but at least buff its pen or even handling. I couldn't even pen an e75s lower plate with APCR and calib shells???? sure its a German heavy but if I'm going to be going up against tier 9 heavies in a heavy I should AT LEAST be able to pen them, right??? or am I just garbage and theres some secret trick to penning an E75 I don't know about.

[full token]

Cupola

[covert marlin]

the dispersion is so garbage and the cupola is so small it doesn't even register that thought. I tried, believe me I tried... it just doesn't work

[desert grotto]

Tiger 2 need nerf down plate its too hard i shot with isu 152 tier 10 gun with 286mm pen,and cant penetrate

[sharp saddle]

Sounds like a user issue

[autumn zodiac]

You can pierce any one of these places with AP from that gun, the upper glacis is weaker than the lower glacis and you can penetrate both.

It's only you

[leaden flare]

in facehug many T8 heavy tank APs can pen it too i think and if not the prammo is usually enough

[safe rapids]

tall tanks can use standard and pen it

[leaden flare]

use terrain to your advantage pasta

[deep bluff]

Please tell me what is this wotb

[acoustic magnet]

What's wrong with that?

[dreamy oak]

someone coming from pc expecting the same graphics i guess

[deep bluff]

full maxed out m7s upgrade*

[acoustic magnet]

So? What's the problem?

[leaden flare]

ez nab 52,1% maybe use more sauce to increase the taste of pasta

[deep bluff]

i thought the max medium cap per team is 3....

[nimble zodiac]

I doubt that, and even if that was a rule, lower tiers need to be an exception because of the composition of the available tanks, few heavies, few TDs

[unique scaffold]

So im grinding the keanvagn line and I notice the emil 2 and kranvagn have only 9 degrees of gun depression? Are you serious wargaming? I get they are arrogant and want blitz to be very different from world of tanks pc but what does balancing have to do to that arrogance? First I was disappointed to see the leopard pt a have 6 degrees of freaking gun depression and that tank has nothing going for it other than speed and the gun which they messed it up with that russian depression heck even some russian mediums have more gun depression and now the two heavies that have nothing going for them other than the decent turret that u can make use of with at least 10 degrees of gun depression but no guess what wargaming are hypocrites unbelievable

[nimble zodiac]

@unique scaffold 9 degrees is plenty for arguably the best hulldown tank in the game. They present a fair autoreloader and the speed isn’t too hindering

Kranvagn performs fine, but Emil II could get a few more centimeters

[quasi axle]

imo emil 2 needs a turret armor buff a lot of tanks can load gold and go right through

[tepid latch]

emil 2 is already broken as is @quasi axle

[pseudo hedge]

good joke

[misty herald]

day 3 of asking is 7 side armor buff

[tepid latch]

would be funny if it were one

[unique scaffold]

Look I don’t need to stress how one degree of gun depression makes a huge difference in a lot of ridge positions I can confidently say all day long that 9 degrees is so much inferior to 10 degrees in actual combat

So you just answered yourself why it doesn’t have 10? Because you just said you confidently just did...

[unique scaffold]

Unbelievable...the tank originally has 10 degrees in world of tanks pc where it came from originally and thats how it should be its a very important factor for a tank that can only relay on its turret armor especially with its size so not giving it the gun depression it deserves is just plain arrogance and hypocrisy thats all I’ll say about this unjust

[dense walrus]

Is hypocrisy your word of the day or something? It doesn’t really apply here.

[unique scaffold]

Except almost nothing about blitz resembles PC? They are completely separate and intend on staying that way leopard 1 has a faster Rate of fire than its PC counterpart and has the chieftain mark 6 rather than the FV4201 badger 30B amx M54 being collectors is already enough evidence showing they are not following PC it’s unbelievable you find it unjust some random tank was adjusted to fit in another game is somehow arrogance even though the actual arrogant choice would be to copy paste and expect it work without care hypocrisy is not learning what your saying means

Yeah its my word of the day for wargaming blitz 🙂 and don’t get it wrong I know its not going to change anything but I just felt like saying it out loud so that they get to know that not everyone agrees with their balance hypocrisy 🙂

[nimble zodiac]

So sorry Kranvagn isn’t as good as it shouldn’t be

Oh and get this, there’s no hypocrisy with Kranvagn

[unique scaffold]

Sorry I’m not sorry 🙂

[nimble zodiac]

@fiery stump I guess this can relate to balance? But I'll explain the fall damage

Damaged Landing Situation: You landed pretty heavily on your front side, which can knock out your turret, terrain collisions do that

Safe Landing Situation: You hit the edge, stopping most of your force that would have hit the ground otherwise, and the tracks absorbed the rest of the blow, breaking.

For the automatic turret rotation, I can't explain that with confidence

[blissful heart]

Vk100 need to have better driving speed. It’s too slow, battle gets over by the time it reaches main battle area. If team is slow then it’s different story

[bold dagger]

it doesn’t really matter how we’re taking damage though, WG needs to fix it anyways

we can’t prevent taking 1000 HP of damage when landing. that’s extremely stupid

im convinced that the devs don’t playtest anything

[rare sleet]

I was playing my leo pta landed on a weird angle of a hill, All my crew and moduels died and when i repaired it My tank died. i don't have a picture though rip

[obtuse cedar]

How come t110e5's mudguards are registered as spaced armor while all the other tanks with the same hull don't have spaced armor? I hate slow mode it makes the server so dead

[unique scaffold]

@bold dagger right as you say this I literally landed on perfectly flat ground and died in a Sheridan seriously why can’t they stop making mistakes for once

[fiery stump]

I was like that too, I fell straight and slowly on straight terrain, but I got injuries anyway (600 dmg on the fv 215 tank)

[bold dagger]

@rare sleet its fine, play 3 more games and i guarantee it’ll happen again

[fleet jolt]

Pls delete this. This is discrimination for heavy tanks

[hardy hazel]

You know, it would be funny if they dint fix every single bug by the time uprising come back, it has been like 4 months without uprising now.

@fleet jolt no, heavy tanks can go to the trash can and they did for once

[fiery stump]

This item is good, heavy tanks were for op without it and now they are not

[unique scaffold]

limit it from tanks over 100 tonnes

[deft owl]

@fleet jolt Bruh no. Heavy tanks were dominating the gravity force.

[rare sleet]

Heavy tanks dominate Regular battles, They used to dominate gravity force. The thrusters are good @fleet jolt

[unique scaffold]

Haha true

[leaden flare]

somewhat of a tradeoff i guess youll take fall dmg instead of getting bamboozled by a heavy tank

[deft owl]

You'll get fall damage if you fall too fast. In a regular fall, you wont get any damage.

[pseudo hedge]

heavies are overpowerd everywhere else and now one mode comes out and everybody is crying why they can't ram anybody who dosnt have a 168 or Mause to death.

u can hear there little brains try to comprehend things as:
tactic
timing
aiming
TEAMWORK.
am I scarring you with my big words yet ?

[hardy hazel]

Heavys still a thing in gravity if they can kill you with only one ram

[drowsy plaza]

Imagine caring about a game mode that doesn’t affect stats

There is a rom for that #gravity

[keen nexus]

T110E4 needs more Ammo, ive ran out of AP multiple times in battle

[winged barn]

Carry less apcr or he
(I run a 16/5/6 split and it's never a problem)

[hollow summit]

Obj 140 is kinda powercrept by the T-62A, how do you guys think they should buff it?

[stray verge]

Object 140 is pretty differant and I prefer it over the T-62 but i would buff the ufp and horse power to T-54 levels

[versed tide]

i like obj 140 but p/w bit low

[unique scaffold]

Tiger 131 needs a buff on armor

[autumn zodiac]

It doesn't

[nimble zodiac]

Ah yes, let's buff just one of the Tiger copies

[unique scaffold]

It does how does a vk piece of crap become pretty much un penable and the tigers have tin foil armor

[nimble zodiac]

The Tigers actually have pretty solid armor, and will definitely troll some poor tier 5s

Vk 36 is cracked anyways

[uneven narwhal]

Day 6 of asking for a Smasher and Annihilator nerf

[minor minnow]

Day 1 of telling you no

[nimble zodiac]

I’m gonna love this 🍿

[golden pewter]

n o

[unique scaffold]

AT 2 have no pen on tier 6 - must use gold ammo for even pen heavy ------ churchil 1 is now usless on tier 6 great balance ! you do many no brain actions as noobs in my team !

[wooden walrus]

They answered that question weeks ago. Or months ago, maybe

[wooden walrus]

Not nice buddy. Not nice.

@full token #ClanmatesInANutshell

[full token]

Theyre clanmates. Its just a joke b/w them

[river valley]

Yes. Its too OP and gravity will never be what it used to be

[obtuse cedar]

all it needs is a longer cooldown and boom heavies are relevant

[full token]

Heavies can still ram if thats all anyone is capable of doing. You just cant ram all of the enemy team as easily

[kind mortar]

its because of a bug that led them to receive full damage upon reveiving hits on the tracks as they were considered hull structure, wg in order to fix it transformed the mudtrack into spaced armor, to avoid rewriting the armor model, it is actually something that other tanks need, as with certain luck heat shells and he are exploded early

[hexed fjord]

is wargaming actually reading these ideas?

[full token]

Very unlikely. Some discussions end up with replies being added into the same post, and there’s no way WG can figure out the order of all that so easily. There’s also a lot of messages. They might only check for specific topics using the search feature on discord

[leaden flare]

Pushed too 52,4% now ma boy♿ 🤣

[indigo knot]

@lusty silo

[dull mortar]

Buff panther 8,8 yes

[unique scaffold]

nah buff FCM 50 T

[grizzled sable]

Nerf vikcers 10 tier pls

[dark pike]

wow amx 30 1er is top in winrate for tier 9 mediums

[dense flame]

like droodles said, the 168's trackwheel needs to be buffed, its just not fun going 20km/h and then getting tracked by some tank that shouldnt, talking about tier 7 TD's, if tier 9's are able to do that, i understand but not tier 7-8, it just defeats the purpose of the tank.

[tidal rose]

wow IS-7 isnt the worst heavy tank and it have higher wr then chieftain mk6. soviet bias still da best

[oblique narwhal]

honestly a win rate chart specifically for prems would be nice

[candid steeple]

I like how td's with buffed alpha and dpm trough the roof at tier VIII are best performing tanks. WG and their zero logic buff yet again on the loos. Jag 8.8 got OP armor buff then got crazy dpm and alpha buff. WG is honestly out of their minds.

It's actually got. It's punishes people for playing that tank xD Also what is fun in calling you do 3k damage by shooting 3 times? One hit and lower tier meds life is ruined and it's really hard to bounce those rounds. Likewise KV-2 oneshots people but that's the only good thing about that tank like FV.

[neon olive]

183 lowest winrate in the entire game, you love to see it

[molten ferry]

Nerf the smasher

[wind flower]

Centurion 1 gonna get any buff?

[lethal sandal]

delate annihilator and smasher

[hollow musk]

Nope !!!!!!!!

[lilac geode]

people usually blame their team when losing but what if you put it so you can see what place on average you land on your team, like if you land mostly on first and second then it will say like 1.5 and so on

[mystic cove]

what does this mean??

[west narwhal]

Can anyone explain what exactly tanks only over 1% of battles means?

[lusty silo]

thx for reminder
we made a research and discover an issue not displaying some tanks. You gotta realize that the charts i post is a small part of data massive our balance team works with. It takes a while to fix it and add those tanks to excel reports. There's a chance i'll update 7.8 charts in a week, but 7.9 one will have them definitely.

anyone notices any interesting changes comparing to previous charts?

[indigo knot]

RU251 was best tier 8 LT now is it is the worst in terms of WR

[lusty silo]

nope, i don't mean certain tanks' performance

that 50% of complete answer 🙂

[full token]

Average damage axis starts at 0 instead of some other number

[edgy finch]

when does the centruion 1 gets its long needed buff?

[latent snow]

huh the balance charts look..... balanced

[lusty silo]

i like the way of your thinking. Any ideas why?

[wintry prairie]

Hey @lusty silo why won’t the Death Star get a buff since it has the lowest WR of tier 10?

[unique scaffold]

#Balanced

[acoustic magnet]

why do you think it's called the death star 😂

[lusty silo]

lowest WR is a Death Star's thing. Just like highest damage per shot.

[candid steeple]

I see a Thanos reference here.

[uneven narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[balmy cypress]

Ye squished the chart down

Also it turns out the 263 is beefy

[sharp saddle]

RU 251 fluctuated a bit

[novel depot]

Buff Centurion 1 and nerf Vickers CR

[solar pivot]

agree with vickers

[remote oriole]

They changed the scales. Now it starts at 50% and ends at 64% for every chart. That’s why it looks more balanced (they also changed the damage scales to be more uniform)

Now, hold on for a minute, I think that’s actually good. Whatever your first impression, I think standardising the scales makes it easier to see the charts in context because you don’t have to adjust for different scales whenever you look at a different statistic

[sleek vault]

So i guess the trend doesn't change so much aside from surprisingly t-54 mod 1 back again on top chart of mts?

When we gonna expect meta changing? Since I think It's kinda stale

[full token]

Will be fun to see all the premium tanks joining the chart next time

[gleaming apex]

friknobs cousin#1848 has been warned.

[nimble zodiac]

Yes server very server

Anyways, I’m still thinking about that damage/accuracy buff for IS-7, there’s a constant noticeable dip in the damage

[gleaming apex]

Slimelia#3001 has been warned.

[distant river]

Still above the average WR and dmg of the tier so if anything the IS7 needs a nerf

[drowsy plaza]

Probably perfectly balanced at the moment

[uneven narwhal]

IMO IS-7 is quite balanced except prammo as of now
Prammo is a bit bad from my experience so I have to use CS instead of my usual GR
But it still is very fun

It's got speed, armor, and a hard hitting gun

@drowsy plaza I do play it as a medium killer, usually go med side because of speed and choose a nice hulldown spot
But the problem comes with the german heavies

[drowsy plaza]

You don’t need CS for it as long as you play it as a med killer at first.

[sharp saddle]

I think IS-7 is generally fine. Unfortunately IS-4 exists

[distant river]

^^^ this but that's an issue with the IS4 not the IS7, and it works perfectly fine with rammer and very little prammo until you put it in situations it shouldn't be in

[unique scaffold]

Just delete your Matchmaker because it's useless anyway

[winged barn]

Hey look, heavies are once again the top preforming class.(tier 9 being the exception)

You would think that after 10 updates they would realize that they are overpreforming and hand out some nerfs. Nah, this is balance

[unique scaffold]

so you are saying a premium tank isnt allowed weak spots? pay 2 win

[dense flame]

the concept of a premium tank is to be better than a tech tree tank, by giving the premium tank weakspots without giving aspects that are way better than the tech tree, there is no need for those weakspots.
because after all they are just there to balance a tank, but even if they only had the cupola be an actual weakspot it'll still be meh.
but atleast you dont get tracked by a tier 7. what are you on about anyway?
it is a german "superheavy", it isnt supposed to have that T110E5 track wheel at all.

@safe rapids oh i'll surely buy a tank that is worse on statistics just so i can get more credits, thats stupid, thats saying the T26E4 is better than the pershing because it gets more credits..

[safe rapids]

The original premise was that they were slightly worse in order to balance out credit coefficient, but now it's just powercreep. The only way to fix it is by buffing all the tanks premiums have made playing the originals redundant.

[dense flame]

if you put up a statement, fine, but if you cant defend it just dont, no need to waste people's time.
dont bother with responding either, as that'll waste your time and yours only.

@safe rapids i like how you said "slightly worse", the 168 isnt a "slightly worse" 100 (P), its just straight up worse on everything.

[unique scaffold]

if war gaming made all the premium tanks better than the tech tree versions, nobody would play the tech tree tanks and lots of players would quit so basicly killing the game. you encouraging wargaming to ruin the game shows how much of a pain in the ass you are for players like me who dont want to waste a crap ton of money on a free game. you either must be braindead or you just suck at the game and need an unfair advantage to beat other players and if you are that second guy then i suggest you delete your account because you're just ruining other peoples games. Much appreciated!
dont bother with responding either, as that'll waste your time and yours only.

[dense flame]

so youre complaining about it already happening but yet you blame me for making it happen while its already happening, you see a lot of people have logic, you dont.

@uneven narwhal no need to defend me, i want to have a laugh too.

[uneven narwhal]

Listen, I get what you are trying to say and I agree
If tech tree tanks are always worse than their premium conterparts, this game would become much more P2W

But there is no need to be rude to others about it

@dense flame xD

[dense flame]

2.5k wn8, took a semi-break, now if you are down for account shaming i'll be sure to be here, you just tell me what its going to be.

[hardy hazel]

Nice joke bro 😎 👍

[unique scaffold]

did you not fully read my edit?

[dense flame]

editing it 5 minutes after, and sadly for you, covid has made me locked up in my house, so i have all damn day.

[rare sleet]

I'm pretty sure a premium tank isn't supposed to be better per say than the tech tree variant, but guarantees you make more credits than the tech tree variant.

@dense flame I hate how you believe all premium tanks should be superior to their tech tree counterparts, you believe this whole game should become pay to win and make all premiums better than tech tree so no one wants to play the tech tree counterpart

[still jolt]

Well, commonly premium tanks have something special in it

However, buff Type59, gun worse than 7 tier tech tree.

[stiff spindle]

Vk 168 needs buff 👍

[unique scaffold]

@lusty silo For some clarification, the balance Chart data, is it only the data from that specific update or does it contain old winrates too?
Like as example the Vickers Cruiser was very strong, so people got very high winrates with it - the same people that get monitored for these charts. So does the chart still reflect the overall winrate that people drove with it before the nerf and with the nerf or is it ONLY after nerf stats? 🤔

Also Im a bit confused since the shown diagrams use different scales🤨
7.7 stats for example start with avg dmg at 1000 and move up in 200dmg steps but the 7.8 starts with 0 and moves in 500dmg steps. Same for winrate scale, in 7.7 it was 1% a step, in 7.8 its now 2% a step. Comparing is quite tricky when the scale is changing around.

as another example
7.7 Vickers looks out of balance with a large bar and high spike in the graph compared to T92E1.

• Vickers is around 62.8% WR and 2440avg dmg. T92E1 is around 61.3% and has around 2160avg dmg
  7.8 Vickers looks way more balanced in comparison to the T92E1 but
• Vickers is just a bit shorter at roughly 62.3% WR with 2480avg dmg and T92E1 has 61.3% at 2220avg dmg

Now bare with me, guessing the winrate and avg dmg is not as easy as it looks due to the missing steps and margin of error for winrate I guess is around 0.5% and avg dmg around +/- 500dmg

that means even tho the 7.8 data **looks **much more balanced, its actually pretty much the exact same in our example since the 7.8 scale is just less detailed.🧐
Would be nice if we could keep one scale and change the diagrams instead of tweaking the scale so it looks like something massive happened with no buff/nerf in tier 9 during 7.8.

[full token]

I think the current scale will be used from now on. Imo it’s better than the previous one, as long as they can stick to it for the future

[indigo knot]

The old one was better....it had finer details

[unique scaffold]

If you look at the tournaments only T22 is played. This isn’t cause t22 is op, but cause meds are bad in general. They still provide some dpm and mobility which is useful later on during 3v3, but it’s never for any special maneuver or tactic. So you pick t22 which is gonna work in every situation, unlike other meds that are sometimes Godlike and sometimes trash.
Idk why you give grille HE protection, but not to leopard or Bchat. Literally 0 consumables for mediums, but heavy and TD get all the goodies to counter them.

[dense flame]

just pointed out the fact that vk 168 has a weakspot, but nothing to make up for it, like increased mobility compared to the tech tree variant, or a better gun with like lets say 0.7s off the reload, you can imagine alot of things, and the 168 doesnt have any of those.

[full token]

It does have some better stats. Not saying it means the tank is better, but it’s not worse in everything

[rare sleet]

the vk168 is mega heavy though thats the unique part

[drowsy plaza]

@unique scaffold balance charts have always been from the previous chart as far as time frame - no historical stats. If you want to get better detail - print the chart or use an internet ditto drop a more refined scale. Looking at in on my 27” iMac it’s really easy to tell segments. I don’t necessarily think it’s better or worse for demonstrating balance though. It just gives different perceptions due to scale.

[full token]

So the stats we see now are for the duration of 7.7? Not 7.8 from release to whatever day they made the chart?

[carmine dome]

No, they only release the charts of 1 game version when it ends

[left nova]

Can you decrease the time of the offers? There is some tanks in the shop but if I dont want to get them, should I wait for 8-13 days?
(Crates too)

[autumn zodiac]

What?

[left nova]

What??

[autumn zodiac]

I'm not understanding what you are asking

You want less time for offers?

[vital basalt]

I think he means that some offers last for 2 weeks sometimes and that time is long I guess?

[left nova]

Yes, I (we) dont want to wait for many days

[quasi axle]

You might not but that extra time is nice for f2ps

[unique scaffold]

When kpf is buffed?😂

[urban flare]

remove adrenaline from crusader

[uneven narwhal]

Day 7 of asking for a Smasher and Annihilator nerf

[wind flower]

Will Centurion 1 Ever be buffed? It's been at the bottom of the chart for so many updates.

7.8- Last
7.7- Last
7.6- 5th from bottom
7.5- 4th from bottom
7.4- Last, Only the Name appeared that too.
7.3- 2nd last
7.2- Last
7.1- 4th from bottom
7.0- Last

No other Tech tree Medium has been this Frequent and with the introduction of Centurion Mk5/1, I don't think Centurion 1 is gonna be perform any better in its current form. It's understandable why Fv215 183 has the lowest WR and it's not buffed, but I don't see a reason for Centurion 1 to receive the same treatment as the Fv215 183

[twin egret]

^^same thing could be said the the FV215b honestly,

7.0 – Last
7.1 – 2ⁿᵈ Last
7.2 – 4ᵗʰ From First (Special Consumables First Added I Think)
7.3 – Last
7.4 – 4ᵗʰ From Last
7.5 – 3ʳᵈ From Last
7.6 – 2ⁿᵈ From Last
7.7 – 2ⁿᵈ From Last
7.8 – 2ⁿᵈ From Last

One of the things that really infuriates me is the absurd nerf of the tank to around 2000 hp, before all the heavy tanks were subjected to a buff soon after for no reason? Nearly all of them got a massive HP boost ranging from 200-500 or somewhere along those numbers with the FV215b solely receiving an "un-nerf," giving back the 100 hp it lost. In almost every chart, the FV215b has been ranked in with dealing the least amount of damage than any other heavy, it once had the best DPM out of all the heavies, but now the WZ-113 has the best? Why? They both were tied with having the same DPM, but the WZ-113 received a Alpha Damage buff. The FV215b lost its title of having the best reload, the best dpm, and the best gun, but it now seems that all those wonderful things about it are just gone.

[tepid latch]

The 215b is fine as is - it’s just requires a lot more skill to play than an is4 or e5. The tank doesn’t need a buff.

[solar pivot]

Nerf vickers CR

[twin egret]

Yeah I know, but it just feels like a struggle, even when I carry the team. It isn't as it used to be

[tepid latch]

215b is my favorite t10, played correctly, there’s nothing to complain about. That goes with every tank that’s balanced of course. I never played 215b during the 215b- foch meta but I’m guessing it’s like playing Vickers CR pre nerf and playing it right now. Pre nerf, you couldn’t go wrong in it and it was absolutely op. Post nerf made it more unforgiving and was only op in good hands. I’m guessing that’s how you are feeling about 215b.

[twin egret]

it just feels meh, FV215b is also my favorite T10 & I do well in it

[tepid latch]

It’s amazing for me, maybe for u feels meh cuz it was even better before

[twin egret]

Either that or I just gotten bored of playing it after 800 battles in it

[dense flame]

think that's the issue, i had the same with both my smasher and sheridan which i both have 800+ games in.

[scarlet delta]

Remove all fantasy tanks

[twin egret]

I'd gladly appriciate it if they gave Retical Calibration for the FV215b, would be interesting to see honestly

[full token]

No pls just do a normal buff

[wind flower]

Your 215b post completely took over my Centurion 1....

[half galleon]

I have to say the cent 1 needs a buff. The turret armour which is its only armour is not even reliable

[solid forge]

What about 30b, am I blind or it isnt even on the list, so weak or what? Or is it just too rarely used?

[unique scaffold]

It’s fine where it is although would much to see it have atleast 300-305mm gold pen because 295 is a bit painful with the reload

[full token]

It could be played too rarely to make it on the list. But Ribble said there was a bug that omitted the strong premiums from the chart and it should show some of them next time

[unique scaffold]

*glances at the 120 WZ TD that’s been missing for years now kek

Hello buff my favorite tank and the one I’m grinding now

[solid forge]

Absolutely not, however it doesnt stand out at anything except this horrid cupola and poor dpm right now

Yet E50M has far superior armor, better accuracy and ramming potential, unlike 30b - thats why ppl grind e50m

[hearty steeple]

E50m and 30b are vastly different tanks in playstyle. And saying people wouldn't grind one tank if the other was really good is rather absurd.

[unique scaffold]

hi

[fallow raptor]

In my opinion the whole line leading to the fv4202 needs a buff, 4202 included, also I think it would be very nice and appreciated by the community if the centurion ax were added as an alternative to 4202

[torpid basalt]

buff st 1 on mobility a bit, pls make it better mobility than the mauschen

[full token]

It’s got armor. Why does it need mobility

[foggy aurora]

If the Cent AX were even added to the game they would probably make it a tier 10 collector judging by how they have treated tanks classes that are already in that nations tech tree as collectors for example the FV215B and the S Conqueror, FV 183 and Badger, AMX 50 B and AMX M4 54, and lastly WZ-113 and WZ-111 5A

[gleaming apex]

Itilde#9627 has been warned.

Itilde#9627 was muted

[quick lichen]

This isn’t a simulator and this channel is about balancing tanks, not removing them. Thanks for playing

[quick lichen]

But they won’t because they’re not giving everyone a free tier x collector as well as a free brand new tier x

[full token]

I don’t mind if it’s a second option like how the Obj140 and T62A are

[ivory star]

I think that Vk 4502a needs a buff or rework of some sort. It would be fun to see some sort of mobility buff in this tank. In state as it is now this tank is useless compared to for example tiger 2 that has same mobility, but better armour and more gun depression. Also this tank does not fit in it's line in any way: it leads to vk 4502b - well armoured tank, and previous in line there is tiger p- well armoured tank.

[prisma jetty]

This tank is in a bad spot, because it’s supposed to be a heavy with a good gun and above average mobility for a heavy with weaker armor, but the armor doesn’t hold up, it doesn’t have enough penetration, and it’s speed is closer to the Tiger 2 than it should be

[vital basalt]

its much faster than Tiger 2 but this doesnt means its fast,only 38km/h speed is bad for that bad armour,it should have either better armor,gun depression or better speed so it can really be a heavium like 42km/h speed would be great

[ivory star]

I think it should have better max speed and a bit better power to weight ratio. This would make it so different form tiger 2 and more fun to play.

[alpine tundra]

The T62A needs a mobility buff, its too slow for a medium

[tepid latch]

🤡

[full token]

There’s a thing called balance. You don’t give specific stats just for it being a certain tank class, when it has other stats that make it unnecessary to have so much of that one stat like mobility

[quasi axle]

play the 140 if you want mobility

[dense flame]

there is a thing called "thinking i am very funny by saying a tank needs buff or by making a tank with different tank parts" (like saying 50B hull with IS7 turret and ho ri gun), which somehow is funny to some people.

[full token]

Sometimes people actually mean what they say

[dense flame]

they do too, but they think its funny.

[jagged crescent]

I believe the smasher and annihilator both need buffs to their frontal armor in order for them to better perform as heavy tanks in World of Tanks Blitz

[remote oriole]

I think you need to reevaluate your opinion in order for it to go as a reasonable suggestion

[rare sleet]

No No I think they should get better armor but remove both their guns as a trade

[unique scaffold]

I agree with your suggestion. The Smasher and Annihilator hulls are weaker than some medium hulls. I think they should each recieve a 20mm buff to both the upper and lower parts.

[leaden flare]

Yeah buff Armor but put them both without any other changes at t9 ♿

They should also receive all consumables and special ammo

[acoustic magnet]

Yes, buff the already OP tanks

[jagged crescent]

I believe the smasher and annihilator need buffs to their dynamics so that they can also be more versatile as pseudo-meds

This way they'll be able to accomplish and serve more roles on the battlefield

[nimble zodiac]

They should also have a high power to weight ratio, top speed, and view range so they can perform as pseudo-light tanks

They also need buffed guns so they can perform as pseudo-TDs

Then move them to tier five

And buff the Chi-Ha because why not

[formal vale]

We need CAS roles

[rare sleet]

We need Chi-Ha with 120mm gun

[formal vale]

You mean this thing (Chi-Ha LG)? :p
also this slow mode timer makes me wanna 😴

[rare sleet]

Yes Thats exactly what I mean it'll be hilarious. Since Chi-Ha is tier 3 and 120mm is pretty big and wargaming pretty much removed all the low tier derp guns, I feel it will be an hilarious tier 5

[unique scaffold]

This would be more of a tier 6 or 7 vehicle for the fact that it is a fast, and has a 120mm. If it were tier 5, it would have to have around 90mm, if not 100mm of pen, with a 20 second reload, not accounting for the speed.

[rare sleet]

120mm at tier 6 is useless considering its on a Chi-Ha chassis(slow) with no armor and their are tanks like su100 with 122mm guns

[formal vale]

It's not fast, it's like Ferdinand levels of speed. It's pretty much tier 5 worthy considering it also has a 13 second reload

Dude, it has like 100mm of pen
103mm to be exact

[unique scaffold]

So you'll be able to wipe half of people's health and easily pen them every 13 seconds

[rare sleet]

Considering the Chi-ha top speed is 40kmph the 120mm gun ontop would make its top speed slower with much sluggish acceleration and terrain resistance and traverse.
Camouflage will also suffer from the massive gun
Gun traverse would suck gun angles would suck, everything will be able to demolish the tank and Lets say its given a 16s reload to balance the guns alpha. Considering other tier 5 tank destroyers with 200 alpha gun have 8s reload 16s is plausible and considering the weaknesses of the tank 16s makes the tank incredibly vulnerable.

Cosidering its very low pen for tier V it wouldn't even be able to pen the front of a T1 Heavy, Thats thing is broke anyways but wargaming doesn't seem to care

103mm of pen just wouldn't cut it in any tier 6 battle let alone tier 5 @unique scaffold Lol not easily pen what are you talking about

[uneven narwhal]

Day 8 of asking for a Smasher and Annihilator nerf

[chrome flint]

why is maus the best

[nimble zodiac]

It isn't

[full token]

MS1

[rare sleet]

Maus is best because german engineering is the best in the world

[stray verge]

And why make one of the best mediums better? The acceleration more than makes up the 50km speed limit even though it can be slow at times.

[twin egret]

Brazil is now typing...

[jagged crescent]

I believe that the Maus needs to have its engine power doubled in order so that it can more effectively drive around the battlefield

[hearty steeple]

Yes the best performing tier 10 requires buffs to be effective.

[jagged crescent]

I believe that the Maus needs to have its alpha damage doubled so that it can more effectively inflict damage

[real bison]

sounds like skill issue

[tepid latch]

11 clown emoji overkill lmao

[humble spear]

make it 12

[dull magnet]

buff the light vic pls 🙂 maybe the penetration from 45 to 49 (tetrach has 60 pen). buff amx 30 B also and is-2Sh need buff

[teal palm]

Amx 30B is fine/why are you playing a tier 2?/honestly the turret on the SH could use a small buff IMO

[dull magnet]

people can pen the Sh angled bits with tier 7 rapid fire guns if they're familiar and maybe premium ammo

[thick rover]

IS2SH buff PLZZZZ

[deft owl]

Is2-sh could use Side armor buff.

[flat nova]

I would like to suggest that the KV-13 needs more buff on Shell Penetration since it's a underrated and a mediocre Medium Tank in tier 7. The tank's speed isn't even reliable on flanking unlike in the T43 and T34-85 Rudy and it lacks gun depression. If this suggestion is bad just leave it.

[alpine tundra]

@pasta#9510 i got 50 wr

[velvet flare]

#nerf-rock

[broken tartan]

That would be great but very hard to hit them

[leaden flare]

50% wr is not a good wr change my mind♿
60%+ is good (30d ofc)

[nimble zodiac]

It’s not the best, there are better tanks to use

[hearty steeple]

I just said that it is the best performing tier 10 (based on balance charts), before i realized the guy i was replying to was just trolling. so i do agree with you. Also lets ignore that i completely forgot about e3(i am blind yes). It wasn't meant to be an absolute statement either

[mental pasture]

I've got to disagree

50% wr is decent

[distant river]

Good WR is entirely dependent on the target of the individual, but also not very related to balance...

[river valley]

Can the concealment ratio of Grille 15 be buffed? Because it has extremely bad camo for what its used for

[leaden flare]

did i say its not decent ?
i said its not really good
good isnt the same as decent
50% is barely avg at best and yes i know 48% is the avg player

[mental pasture]

Fair enough

[blissful vigil]

Pls buff Foch line HP pool

[leaden flare]

close one still better then pasta 47,9% nab 😂

[violet seal]

IS-3 needs front plate buff, it is usually penned and many tanks easily butter through it's upper plate

[sharp saddle]

@violet seal but you need to keep in mind it’s a low profile tank with one of the best turrets at tier 8

[safe rapids]

Yeah, the turret is insane. Plus it's fast and has a good power to weight ratio, and carries a nice big gun. IS-3 is an awesome tank

[leaden flare]

id argue it has the best turret for both t8 and 9 only beaten by T-22 at t10

basically no cupola that can be sniped unless facehugging and even then somewhat troll
turret cheeks are harder to hit then 252u´s imo and also 252u has the cupolas

[minor minnow]

The IS-3 is good idk why people continue to say it’s bad, it’s just not a conventional heavy, no tanks in the line are

[floral heron]

i dont understand how the jagdtiger 8.8 has such a high wr on the charts. I must be doing something incredibly wrong with it. It's my lowest wr of all tanks LOL.

[hybrid basin]

I'm starting hate the Conq's turret

[hardy hazel]

dont relay in its armor, it doesnt work

[nimble zodiac]

It's getting you used to unreliable armor on the FV215b, ofc its turret is good, but it's often hard to take advantage of because of it being rearmounted.

It teaches you to be a squishy DPM heavy, like FV215b

[safe rapids]

Ahh, the conq and FV are squishy, not like those thin 'n crunchy mid-tier Japanese mediums

[hybrid basin]

Yeah ik but I still get penned when I go in a hulldown spot and wiggle my turret

[chilly nebula]

Idk bro seems balanced

[quasi axle]

Idk bro I heard penetration isn't the only stat on a tank

[vital basalt]

its like Tvp VTU at tier 4,its penetration is insane and nothing more except this has maus speed without armor

[chilly nebula]

I mean, comparing it to its soviet counterparts, it really kicks the penetration in the guts

[quasi axle]

All tanks have their strong suits

[winged barn]

Valentine 2 doesn't see tier 5

[vital basalt]

well,except Valentine 2 has preferential mm so it never meets tier 5 so its kinda wrong to compare both and stats shows that valentine 2 is better

[chilly nebula]

Wait it doesn’t, huh 😀 just like the Pz.B2 then

[winged barn]

Yup, both with absolute garbage guns, but effectively get better armor than their counterparts

[unique scaffold]

Tiger 131 feels way weaker than last year lol

[hollow ore]

The armor seems pretty bad

[versed tide]

buff obj 140 p/w ratio a bit

[glossy relic]

The Kran needs a buff

[twin egret]

What's funny is that both Valentine II & the LTP carry the same gun, yet the LTP can hold more ammunition somehow

[versed tide]

.___.

its a god hull down and the clip is a fear factor so that people dont rush you and it lets you clear people easier, plus sand bags super speed and the aiming thing, the dpm is a problem but is a balancing factor

[glossy relic]

you can HE the tank when it is hull down, the tank has a terrible reload, terrible accuracy, cannot run sandbags because it takes too much module damage, the super speed is good, the aiming is useless because u lose a consumable slot, just too many bad things about the tank

[nimble zodiac]

If it hulldowns correctly, the HE isn't very effective

The reload is terrible for balancing purposes

The accuracy is actually quite nice

Sounds like every tank ngl

[glossy relic]

I will admit the HE is only really annoying if you fight tanks with 150mm and above but the accuracy is just bad you have to be fully aimed to hit anything and even then, it is not a 100% that you will hit your shot

[winged barn]

Armor: op
Effective dpm: op

Everything else: lacking to balance out the other beastly characteristics it has.

The kran is on the strong side of the balanced spectrum among the heavies, and heavies are the top class.

The kran needs a nerf (and so do the other tier 10 heavies)

[glossy relic]

what is there to nerf on the kran

[deft owl]

Forget heavy tank nerfs. It wont happen due to collectors and premiums. Only way to balance now is buffing rest of the tanks.

[uneven narwhal]

Day 9 of asking for a Smasher and Annihilator nerf

[versed tide]

i dont think it needs a nerf but if you did just remove the super speed boost and/or sandbags and buff the speed and hp a bit for it

[latent peak]

nerf me
im too op

[thick rover]

ok

[scenic void]

Make the top speed of T62A 70 because why not lol.

It's a medium, it's supposed to go zoom.

[nimble zodiac]

Actually that’s a light tank’s job ._.

[versed tide]

I’m deciding if this is sarcasm, bait, or a legit proposal

[scenic void]

Sarcasm.

[misty herald]

day 5 of asking is 7 side armor buff

[versed tide]

Day 1 of saying it doesn’t need it

[uneven narwhal]

If any buff is needed, it's the prammo pen

@thick rover Pretty good according to my experience
Have about 85% accuracy in it

@versed tide Ye, higher than average alpha and caliber for HTs

[thick rover]

What about gun handling

[versed tide]

Meh it’s a big gun on a heavy what’d you expect

[dull magnet]

smasher nerf will bring every1 wot blitz videos in recommended making the game more popular. better than average but slightly nerfed smasher might be good

[raw oar]

Why are the results of the 252u not in the charts. It is difficult to imagine that there are not enough people playing it.

[novel depot]

No one knows

[full token]

They’ll add some the next time. There was some bug that left out certain tanks

[novel depot]

Sadly these tanks that aren't in charts are the tanks everyone wants to see

[minor minnow]

Don’t touch my kran 😭

[winged barn]

Allow me to clarify, the kran does not need a nerf alone

Heavies in tier 10 are overpreforming. All of them need some kind of nerf.

[wooden walrus]

What are the heavies you think are overperforming?

@novel depot, well... I meant tier 10 buddy.

[novel depot]

Annihilator, Smasher Obj 252u, WZ 112-2 (I think)

[sudden path]

Just nerf their viewrange
Make them more team dependent especially on meds
Really benefits top level players who can work spotting mechanics on their meds
Heavies become giant punching bags late game

[leaden flare]

Most of them tbh
Why would you need a med if you can have an E5 with speed boost
-better pen
-better Armor
-more hp
-similar DPM

Most heavys have so much hp that meds aren't useful anymore

[jolly mulch]

why standart b with stock gun have 3 sec between shots?

[wooden walrus]

E5 is prone to ammo rack sometimes. So sometimes it might ammo rack. Also, it catches fire. What's it's gun depression BTW?

[sudden path]

8 degrees

[wooden walrus]

Not bad. If I remember correctly, M103 also has 8°, right?

[full token]

Stock guns arent supposed to be strong

[jolly mulch]

i know but t54e1 have 2,5 sec, so i don't understand why standard have 3 sec.

[quasi axle]

Because they're different tanks and different tanks have different stats?

[minor minnow]

Standard is much smaller and more mobile

[unique scaffold]

@floral whale as all tier have same low plate as frontal as tyger II as tiger 1 as all tech tree usless tanks

[gritty flare]

Balance the teams. The players, the tutorial and training stuff. You teach players in the beginning then leave out to dry. After you don’t give them tutorials on how to use tanks, how to side scrape, how to reverse side scrape. Like when they get the is7 show them a video on how to use the is7. Or the e-100, show them how to properly angle it and how to use it the correct way. Show them how to be map aware, different ways to react to how the enemy teams are positioned. Use LIVE gameplays and not the gameplays where you make the tank look like something it isn’t

[turbid smelt]

teams are random mate and wg have already stated that they are not going to force new players into watching several hours worth of tutorials, there are quite a few videos that newbs are very capable of searching by themselves on YouTube if they are interested in improving their performance.

[jagged crescent]

I'd simply just win

[gritty flare]

I don’t have a problem with teams. I’m talking about the players. And it won’t be mandatory but they should still have the option. Not everyone wants to go to YouTube just to watch some YouTuber chit chat. Just make one of their vids and put it somewhere by the tier x they unlock. It’s fairly simple

[vast relic]

wg actually has some fairly detailed articles on experience, shell penetration/angling, tank classes, fire, crew, etc but for some reason, you can only see them by going through player support. I feel they should at least be linked somewhere in-game instead of having people randomly stumble upon fairly helpful articles when they try to submit a ticket

[candid steeple]

WG too much is too much. I know you filled your wallets enough but ain't it time so that we don't see matches like this?

It's disgusting that I can't play tier VI or VII match without Smasher or Annihilator in it and now I am stuck with this sh*t. Yes WG like you said a while ago. You don't think that Smasher and Annihilator are OP. I don't know how much more shameless you can get just to milk more money. In every game there's a Smasher or Ani. You can't play this tiers.

[gritty flare]

Remember, there’s not enough of them in mm to be affecting the match maker! Even though the anni is the top 5 most played tank it’s not effecting mm!! Lol I think the smasher is up there too but it’s whatever.

[candid steeple]

Honestly now there is so many Annihilators and Smashers that each game MM has to palce those to tanks fighting each other. If one team is lacking those premium tanks and you are against Annihilator 45% player toon you still lose since how ridiculosly OP that tank is doesn't matter if players are dumb as rocks.

And I see a lot of Annihilator 45% player toons that do most damage in the game on a regular base. Good job WG.

I come down to play lower tiers with a friend that can't play high tiers and tier VII instantly reminds me why I no longer play tier VII like majority of people in this game.

[dense quarry]

I don’t mind if they are matched against each other. I just love getting my platoon of a Tiger 1 and ARL 44 being matched vs a platoon of 2 Annihilators... 🤌

[mental pasture]

So you're doing a fail toon? @dense quarry

A platoon with tanks from different tiers

[dense quarry]

Explain plz

[edgy crag]

its a strategy you can do in order to fight tier 8 tanks as a tier 6 for example

[dense quarry]

Even if it was 2 Tiger 1s, point would still stand.... 🤷‍♂️ also I am new 🥸

[hearty steeple]

When you platoon with tanks at different tiers. The +1/-1 mm rule takes effect for the higher tier tank, which means the lower tier tank can face tanks 2 tiers above. In other words you shouldn't be failtooning, it is just putting yourself at a massive disadvantage

[dense quarry]

Did not know that. Aside from that game we actually did well, but clearly will not do that again going forward.

[misty herald]

day 6 of asking is 7 side armor buff

[turbid smelt]

lel 150mm side armor that bad?

[vast relic]

plus parts of it are spaced armor and another part is angled at 45 degrees

[violet seal]

yes true, but half of the time you can't really hull down because there isnt any depressions in the ground and you don't have good gun depression, and it struggles in non-hulldown situations with the weak front and lower plates, and it's why almost nobody plays it exept to grind the IS-7 line

[scarlet fjord]

but-
it's side armor is enough O_o
buff this

[full token]

Balance. IS7 is quite ok for me. It’s on the weaker side for heavies but its not awful against other classes

[turbid smelt]

7° depression would be hella cool on IS 7

[versed tide]

Day 2 of saying it doesn’t need it

[twin egret]

it isn't really for some tanks 👀

Pre-nerfed Charioteer

[scarlet fjord]

just buff gun handling cuz
303 APCR and E100 gun handling is outdated
compared to 374 on certain tanks with better accuracy and 40 less alpha
if you dont know what i mean
try versing a platoon of IS-4's or E5's
with an IS-7 hull down
they will out perform you specially if they have calibrated cuz most of your turret is green to their broken pen
saying IS-7 isn't supposed to fight heavies just cuz it counters meds is not a argument if you ask me

[distant river]

Play a tank how it's meant to be play- wait you said that wasn't an argument clearly it's totally useless thinking that a med killer should go kill... meds?

The IS7 is fine. It's out of meta but still average. That tells you all you need to know about it 🤷‍♀️

[deft owl]

Is7 already has better accuracy on the move.

[twin egret]

Britain Suffers

[vital basalt]

yes e100 is 0.21 and Is7 is 0.20 WOW ITS SO HUGE DIFFERENCE

[quasi axle]

Game changing right there

[scarlet fjord]

ah yes nice argument
a very very small difference in on the move dispersion but exactly the same stats in terms of aim time and dispersion with 130 mm gun vs 150 mm Wow I'm sorry i didn't notice that lol

@distant river its not an argument not because of that its because IS-7's only role isnt dealing with meds its capable of dealing with every class
it just falls apart vs the E5 and IS-4 spam platoon which should be nerfed
if it had accuracy it can at least pen the weak spots on its cheeks both tanks i mean
and by accuracy i mean some small gun handling buff so that a med counter doesnt have E100 gun handling
the spearhead as i like to call it

[drowsy plaza]

Fair point. However I think your comment show more that several heavies need a nerf not specifically that the IS-7 needs a buff.

[versed tide]

nerf all heavies and keeping the is7 the same is enough of a buff

[distant river]

Yes the IS7 is capable of dealing with every class. It performs averagely at this and therefore needs no change at all. It definitely performs better against meds and worse against heavies so any buff should accentuate this playstyle not make it into another mindless tank (cough cough IS4). Luckily it doesn't need changing in the slightest because it's a very good marker for where balance should be for heavies. If the meta shifts back towards meds then the IS7 would need a nerf as well because of the sheer hp advantage it has over them.

In short the solution to this problem isn't to buff a balanced tank it's to nerf the unbalanced tanks. Leave the IS7 how it is.

[versed tide]

seems wg hasnt learned this yet

[stray verge]

Please buff smasher and annihilator, where's my 120% wr and 13k damage

[karmic dock]

Nerf the waffle idk lol

[dense quarry]

If someone from WG can explain to me how this is considered "balance" I would really love to know. Plz. Thx.

[versed tide]

i dont see anything wrong here

[foggy aurora]

Your fault that you also did next to nothing so not really the mm fault but yours

[dense quarry]

3 premium tanks vs 0. Ok. Sorry. Nothing to see there, my bad. 🙄

[dense walrus]

what part of "random MM" do you not understand

also, 3 of your tech tree tanks did more than the Smasher and Annihilator did. LOL for the prem tank excuse.

[scarlet fjord]

100% accurate assumption

WG idk what their problem is i get it they want to change the meta but its been IS-4 and E5 for too long i want them to nerf the tanks already its frustrating the E5 in particular
specially the broken heavy pen i wish they fix that more than anything

[unique scaffold]

@dense quarry seven tanks on each team. Looks balanced to me.

[dense quarry]

I fully understand “random MM,” thanks. But you seem to not understand that MM is not in fact “random,” despite your high-and-mighty proclamation. If it was truly random, it would mix up all tiers, and have no cap limits on tank types. If you are truly a proponent of random MM, why not 7 Tier7 Heavies vs 7 Tier6 Mediums? That’s a statistically probable matchup if WG let MM be fully random. But they don’t. They have rules, like max 4 Heavies, max 3 TDs. They also try to somewhat match the tank class composition between teams. Why? That’s not random! TO MAKE IT FAIR. I 100% agree that MM should be based on choosing random SKILL players. However, If you have premiums, they should be roughly divided on both sides. Randomly. I would hate to be on the winning team with that line up about as much as I do being on the losing side. But that’s just me.

[unique scaffold]

Premiums ≠ skilled players

Premium tanks are just another tank in the game.

[raven dawn]

How about a removal of the hatch on tortoise the thing has no armor or speed so maybe that could make it more effective on the battlefeild
Compare it to jgtiger or foch ,wz111gft which are basically just better
Or any other t9 td

Like its only purpose is to make people spend money on gold to reach fv215b183
Maybe a revamp on it so it’s more like the 183 or something to make tortoise actually competitive with other tds

[unique scaffold]

Also, for the 100th time, this channel is not for people to complain about matchmaking in.

[dense quarry]

I am new here, so I do apologize if this was the 100th time you’ve had to mention it, but it is actually the first time I am hearing about it, so I was not aware. Respectfully bow out of argument.

[unique scaffold]

Np. Have a good one.

[stray verge]

Stop believing the MM is rigged conspiracy, most of it is because of tilt which every game has. You may have to prove that your not monke with this test https://humanbenchmark.com/tests/chimp

[nimble zodiac]

We need more peeps like him

Instead of pursing chaos in a channel where it doesn't belong, they, get this...

stopped 😱

[candid steeple]

I mean everything around tier VII is chaos so why not go all out here as well xd

Yup they pretty much killed every single tiers from 1 to 7. I wonder if they will ever revert everything that they did last 3 years lol. That's in my opinion how this game would be fixed. But oh well only me I guess.

Also for heavy buffs. Cancel hp buffs because it makes TD's irrelevant and then nerf light and med dpm slightly since mobility and dpm killed heavies before hp buffs. This will honestly make med suckers mad but in my opinion that's the healthiest way to fix tier X. About 200-300 dpm nerf. Also this will result in med flank falling apart a bit slower since better side tends to nuke other side.

[raven dawn]

T7 is dead because of premiums (smasher,annihilator,gravedigger,dracula,hellcat) and tier 1-5 has been boring since 5.5

T8 is infected by t7 and t5-6 has alot of new players and sealclubbers

[quasi axle]

T7-T8 is where all the broken premiums hang out but imo t8 is the best tier because there's more variety in the enemies that you face

[lean gate]

T7&9 is useless now
"Change my mind"

[full token]

I enjoy tier 9 because there’s not too many premiums there, and it has some nice tech tree tanks

[leaden flare]

t9 has like the nicest tanks ingame
Skoda, T-54, Cent 7/1, E75 all very fun tanks to play

[twin egret]

not even Conway? ;-;

[vast relic]

waffle would like to know your location

[quasi axle]

T-54 ltwt > t-54

[crystal halo]

Nah

[candid steeple]

Tier IX is the most balanced tire in the game. Hands down.

[nimble zodiac]

Doubt

[unique scaffold]

He kinda right but wrong too

[edgy crag]

you should be happy that the annihilator doesn't have preferential matchmaking

or just play t8 🙂

[quick lichen]

Hey genius. Read the pinned messages

[quick lichen]

Tiers 7-10 it has a case for it

@fallen coral do you want to be muted for being ignorant or for not being able to read? Asking for a friend

In this case they’re arguably the same thing but I’ll let you choose

[nimble zodiac]

1. I just have an itch that, if tier 10 wasn't the top dogs of the game, many flaws would be drawn out of tier 9, which to me kinda gives a feeling of balancing issues. I have a few cases, but honestly, I don't mind tier 9.

2. They referred you to the Discord server because this is a place where ideas die often :p

[quick lichen]

@nimble zodiac #devs-answers to be fair, minus the vickers light, tier 9 looks pretty solid

[vast relic]

the entire "chat with devs" section should be renamed since it gives people the illusion that they can actually give ideas that the devs will listen to.

edit: i just don't think its really a chat since you very rarely see devs 'chatting' on discord. "Chat with devs" seems more like a "Chat with other players" since I don't think the devs read or participate in these discussions

[quick lichen]

I disagree. You can chat with them all you’d like. At no point do they have to agree with you or implement your suggestions

[versed tide]

ever heard of t1

[unique scaffold]

slightly increase the ammo amount of the fv215b 183 hmm thoughts?

[nimble zodiac]

Nah, you'd have to be firing the whole game to run out of shells, and there's a fair amount of room for shell diversity

[unique scaffold]

like give it like 2 more shell rooms but it

[orchid grove]

Although, to be fair the word "chat" tends to imply that they would say something in response. If you talk to yourself, that's not really "chatting"

[quick lichen]

They’re just taking their time to respond

[versed tide]

2 years later

[deft owl]

Its astonishing that no one is asking buff for Wz 113g Ft when its really lacking in tier X. But yeah keep asking Is7 buff.

[jagged crescent]

It's got premium consumables, the second best tier x td camo, solid mobility, a solid gun, and workable armor profile. Most people just don't play it.

[uneven narwhal]

Day 10 of asking for a Smasher and Annihilator nerf

[stray verge]

It needs a buff, wheres my 140% winrate and 17k damage?

[jagged crescent]

I believe the smasher and annihilator need buffs to their dynamics so that they can also be more versatile as pseudo-meds

This way they'll be able to accomplish and serve more roles on the battlefield

[nimble zodiac]

Ok now it’s an unfunny copypasta

[deft owl]

@jagged crescent T110e3 also got Premium consumables.

Camo rating on it is only good when not shooting. While shooting its average.

Gun on it is mediocre by td standarts. Dpm is shit, aiming time is trash, base accuracy is average, dispersion factors are ok. Penetration on it is the only good thing about its gun.

Whole super scructure on it is insta pen against gold rounds. Rest of the tank is paper.

Mobilty on it is mediocre. Has mediocre p/w ratio and average traverse speed.

Wg chart is taken from %55-65 playerbase not from clueless players. Those players are know what they are doing. Wz 113g ft is bad, not the players. There is a reason why it always has the worst w8 after 183.

[jagged crescent]

@deft owl
You don't justify a buff by comparing it to a tank that's frankly over buffed

You don't expect to have a good camo after shooting a shot in any type of TD. You're supposed to back up and find cover regardless of how good your stationary camo is.

You clearly haven't compared the gun enough either. The dpm is average, the base accuracy is above average, the dispersion factors are above average, and the penetration is standard

You shouldn't be driving a tank and showing off it's weakpoints in the first place (applicable to every tank) and when other tanks use gold, they get outtraded even though you're not supposed to frontline in the first place.

The player performance (even factoring the playerbase) is not a reliable reflective indicator of the tank's state itself either. Obviously it doesn't neccesarily excel at anything but if we don't consider the consumables, it doesn't suffer at anything either in comparision to other 150mm tds. You can down thumb as many refutes as you want as you have done for the amusement of many people in the past but that won't change what i say.

It especially doesn't help that the last game you actually played was more than a month ago and that you have absolutely no experience in actually driving any type of tank destroyer let alone one that you're trying to argue a redundant buff for when other matters are more important at hand.

Edit:
Feel free to :thumbsdown again and again since apparently that's the only thing you can do anyways

[sinful leaf]

When was the last time I visited this channel, geez
Also 113G FT is average to me, not necessarily bad. More like a tier 10 SU-152, though maybe I'm missing something.(Probably just isn't as good as certain other TDs in the current meta but the only one really better than it is E3 and/or possibly FV4005 but for unrelated reasons)
Maybe it's just so plain average that it's bad and needs a buff???
We all know that WG isn't able to perform buffs without causing increasingly bad powercreep

[jagged crescent]

Tier 10 su-152 would be horrifying

[unique scaffold]

Imagine slightly buffing the turn rate of the tortoise

[stray verge]

This channel is entertaining

[jagged crescent]

I wasn't talking about premiums and collectors. Way to stay on topic. And beforehand, you compared the WZ to an E3. That's a techtree tank. That can be nerfed. Buffing everything isn't the only method of balancing.
There are almost no reliable spots in the game for where a td can just sit still all game without having to back up behind their hill or behind a building or etc to reset camo. 268's do that, 263's do that if ur sniping in that for some reason, and so will the WZ. But it's not like you actually play tds anyways so it's not like you can say anything about this part 🤷‍♂️
DPM isn't worse in it's class. If you bothered to take a look on blitzstars or blitzhangar you can probably realize that too.
Alot of tanks have weaknesses in their armor profile. You exposing the weaknesses of the WZ 113gft isn't anything gamebreaking since it's almost as if you're supposed to play in a way that negates those weaknesses. . . as with every tank you drive.
The 268 doesn't have reactive armor, the 268 can be penned by standard shells, they're different tanks, again, why do you compare them if you never played either as well.
Player performance does determine balance but that still doesn't mean that it's reliable indicator for what needs to be fixed unless the relative WR or damage output is obviously different.
And of course I'm going to say "no experience". Just look at your blitzstars, I don't see a single tier X td in your garage and yet you think that your 17 battles in the last 90 days is actually enough for you to actually give an opinion.

There are no amount of "lmaos" or 👎 reactions that can change that... unless you want to downvote your own blitzstars chart which is kinda sus ngl

I don't care about your overall stats. i care that you barely have anything worthwhile to substantiate when it comes to playing tds.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/765556935386071063/833910381960364032/unknown.png?width=1440&height=368

[deft owl]

Why dont you show my overall winrate too? Scared?

[jagged crescent]

Why would I be scared of this. Most of your battles aren't even in tier 7.

[stray verge]

I am not going to side with anyone but using career stats of any sort to prove your credibility is invalid.

-With a lot of battles, your stats will barely change over time, so improvement is barely taken into consideration.
-There are no advanced tools ingame, just your simple statcard
-The playerbase changes over time. In 2014, people cared more about having fun and pub matches. See how many people care about their winrate or their stats. Most players that played for a long time agree that 2014 was easier to do well in.

And the obvious seal clubbing in tier 7 and under or in premiums that were OP for its time such as T-54 Prototype, IS-3D, IS-6, etc

[gleaming apex]

Pururut#8429 has been warned.

[versed tide]

._. Stuff just got real

[jagged crescent]

Ok? None of that winrate came from t10 tds. Which again makes me wonder why do you even talk about the balancing of tier x tds if you clearly never played one.

[misty herald]

day 7 of asking is 7 side armor buff

[gleaming apex]

Pururut#8429 was muted

[tall owl]

Wz-113G FT is a mighty chonker

[misty herald]

bad gaeeeee tank

[latent peak]

am i dumb or am i being scammed?
(im prolly dumb)
i also put on gun rammer
without gun rammer rate of fire is 8.5

[distant river]

@latent peak Your crew is probably not fully trained, when looking at a new tank from the tech tree it always shows the stats with full crew afaik

[latent peak]

i see
im dumb
well thank you anyways

[left nova]

Dont ask for nerfing Smasher and Annihilator. They cant nerf them. People bought these tanks for their stats. If you decrease them, it won't end good. I havent Smasher or Annihilator.

[novel depot]

At least they could stop adding more and more broken premiums (LT-432), and buff powercrept tech tree tanks (AT line, centurion, T28, T25/2, sta 1, etc.)

They didn't add it yet, but it's in testing

[sudden granite]

They added the lt432 already? Didn’t know